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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] drmanhattan:
I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl

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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] rohmbd:
OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iceman4357:
Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.

Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JU57US:
How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iceman4357:
https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/21/oneplus-3t-review/

According to Engadget "It lasted 16 hours and seven minutes on Engadget's battery test, which involves looping an HD video with the screen set to 50 percent brightness until the device conks out. That's almost six hours more than the OnePlus 3's runtime, and two hours longer than the Google Pixel XL, which has a 3,450mAh bank."
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
LOL there is a phone called Google Pixel.

On topic though, yes I have seen that OP3T is significantly faster than the Pixel and Pixel XL both, I don't know how, but rather than incredibly fast app opening times I would rather take a phone which performs smooth consistently, for as long as a phone stays at/near 60 frames, the better. From all the videos I have watched I noticed that OP3's default animation scale is set to a much lower rate than the Pixel.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Really?

The original OP3's LCD screen was dimmer than the Pixel Xl and I thought the new OP3 had the same screen as the original?

Anyhow, if you want a brighter Pixel XL screen... then you might consider rooting and then installing ElementalX kernel + the High Brightness Widget mod.

This combo will get you the same extra high brightness as the Samsung Note 7's auto-brightness when the HBM gets activated.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] drmanhattan:
I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Gross.

I think you're confusing a blown out contrast/black level with a properly calibrated contrast/black level as being "brighter".

Contrast ratio vs black level

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/contrast-ratio-vs-black-level#JZuzUY7MzQgEb0T6.97

Yeah, the Pixel is waaaay better in that picture.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] drmanhattan:
No buddy the screen looks great to the naked eye. you don't understand how cameras work, It's hard to show simple brightness in a picture. The reason it looks that way in the image is that it's letting off so much light that my camera settings over expose the image, but due to my pixel not letting off as much light it showed up perfectly fine in the image. There fore proving my point that the OPO 3t gets brighter than the pixel . With that said, They are both gorgeous displays
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
I don't really think firing the extra pixels is the whole reason behind the staggering difference in performance. Definitely during gaming, but app loading times, file transfers, raw CPU horsepower (crunching numbers) hardly have anything to do with the resolution of the screen.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] crowsnestitsupport:
I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..

I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.

Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..

So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.

Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DespairFactor:
Just because of this, we will now have a non EAS kernel
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.

Dope!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DespairFactor:
K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kkeith:
I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu

Spoiler content hidden.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
You da man!

Interesting.. And I was actually considering flashing DU soon. Or perhaps UberStock.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
Curious, how does the smoothness/fluidity of the OP3T compare to the Pixel? I've used dozens of Android and iPhones over the last 7 years and never has an Android phone been so consistently smooth; it's legitimately iPhone smooth.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] drmanhattan:
I know what you mean Android phones have never been "iPhone smooth".... Untill now, I've had several iPhone 6 users use my phone and I can see the longing in their eyes and one of my buddies is in the process of switching over.

Buttery smooth on both the 3t and pixel
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DespairFactor:
So far I notice Pixel is much smoother than OP(meaning it retains its speed at all times, likely due to EAS), while the OP is much faster, but in bursts.

I have the new kernel up now, will push source when I clean up
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Scott:
Please, also dont forget, that you can make a Kernel trick a benchmark.

Samsung has been caught doing this. Google it here on XDA.

IM sure the One + is a great phone... No doubt... But I have had every high end Android smartphone since its inception... (except Nexus 6P, stayed with Google Nexus 6)

The Pixel XL is crazy smooth, fits good in hand, Screen is simply amazing! Speakers on the other hand... Well..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] LMcR92:
I was contemplating the pixel but the price and design just made me wait to see what else came out. Then I thought of a LG V20 but was put off by my friends G5. So I decided to go for the 3T and I'm happy with it, in my opinion one plus just slid into that Nexus void that Google left. But like any Google phone their software to hardware is always better optimised. Here is a picture ;) I don't take antutu seriously but PC mark work I do.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TurboBot247:
The reasons for why the OP3T is so much faster than the Pixel:

•The overclocked/speed boost SD821's CPU clock speeds are 2.34GHz and 2.19GHz respectively for each cluster of Kryo cores, whereas the underclocked/efficiency boost SD821's CPU clock speeds are the same as the SD820, 2.15GHz and 1.59GHz respectively for each cluster of Kryo cores. So, the main performance boost comes from the substantial increase of 600MHz in clock speed from the SD820/821's more power efficient cluster of cores, and the additional 190MHz boost in the more powerful cluster of cores.

•The Pixel XL has a 1440p display and 4GB of RAM vs the 3T, with its 1080p display and 6GB of RAM.

•The OnePlus 3T's internal storage is much faster than the Pixels' internal storage.

The 1080p 5" Pixel fares better than the Pixel XL based off of that fact alone; actually the smaller Pixel is about as fast as the OP3. The Pixel XL actually fares a little worse than the Pixel against Oneplus's crop of 2016 smartphones.

*Side note: What Qualcomm did over this year with their 8xx series of flagship CPUs is similar to what they did between late 2013-mid 2014, where the standard SD800 would be equivalent to the standard SD820. Then, in late 2013, Qualcomm introduces the two revised 800s which are dubbed 801 AB and AC respectively, similar to the two SD821/tweaked SD820 variants introduced later on this year. Just like the SD800 (AA) is standard in CPU and GPU clock, the SD801 (AB) has an overclocked GPU and standard CPU clock, and the SD801 (AC) has both an overclocked CPU and GPU, the same takes place here yet again, with the SD820 having standard CPU and GPU clock, the SD821 (efficiency boost) having an overclocked GPU and standard CPU clock, and the SD821 (speed boost) having both an overclocked GPU and CPU. The former SD821 variant is used in the Pixels, while the latter is used in the OP3T.

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...The single speaker setup produces very good sound, quality wise. One of the best sounding mono-speaker phones out there. However, it still is no stereo speaker phone.

My Nexus 6P, even with its outright distorted and overall mediocre quality speakers, is still more enjoyable for me to consume multimedia with than my Droid Turbo 2, with its audibly better quality speaker, simply because dual speakers are more immersive.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
Yeah you can away with 5 inch phone lol. Pentile 1080p on a 5.5 inch phone would be noticeable to me
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Those of you who use the Pixel and say its smooth as f and all, please also mention which kernel you guys are using. Is it stock kernel out of the box without any alteration or another custom one.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] crowsnestitsupport:
Sorry, should have mentioned.. I have been using Franco Kernel along with the latest SuperSu from the beginning :)

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I have been using an iPhone 7 Plus 128GB with the latest iOS along with my pixel the last few weeks and the pixel XL routinely makes the 7 plus feel slow and rough around the edges.. The pixel is just incredible..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Thanks for mentioning that. So you notice same smoothness/optimisation with Franco kernel in comparison with default stock kernel?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] crowsnestitsupport:
Its so hard to be an unbiased judge with custom kernels etc :) Since I do have 2 XL's I ran one stock and one with Franco side by side for 2 weeks... and.... I'm a huge fan of Franco and yes, I would say that I noticed an improvement over stock. For sure on battery life.. I almost always only charge my XL's every other day.. Last week I took my Verizon one with Franco off the charger at 6am on Friday morning used all day Friday, all day Saturday and all day Sunday without turning it off over night... I have never ever had anything that could do that before.. And I have numerous times seen 6-7 hours SOT..[/ATTACH]
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Thanks for mentioning that. I was actually asking about performance, not battery life, I noticed that Franco has excellent battery backup, but is that with the cost of performance/smoothness or by retaining it, that's the thing I would like to know.

I have never bothered to use stock kernel for more than one hour, but I am noticing some devs saying that Pixel is better off with its stock kernel, and the main reason for me to buy this phone is its performance/optimisation, so don't really want to trade it for anything, but it would be saddening if the stock kernel indeed performs more optimally than custom kernels.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
A lot of the commits from Franco are moving non-critical (background) workloads to lower power workqueues. This can save a noticeable amount of battery without effecting performance in the slightest.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] crowsnestitsupport:
I can honestly say that other than better battery life I can't tell any difference between stock and Franco.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Scott:
Well then... The OP3+ is faster... Im still happy with my Pixel XL.

No dis-respect... Have to say that because someone else flipped out ;)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Scott:
Will have to try Franco. I use Elemental X and love it. The extra features like swipe to lock, swipe to turn on... etc...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Punkid:
I'm waiting for someone to come up with a way to format the storage of Pixel as F2FS. It'll be a decent boost down the road.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
You notice any performance drops while using ElementalX? Flar himself said its better to use the default stock kernel and its governor for this phone.

The default DT2W is buggy by the way, sometimes it comes on, sometimes it doesn't!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DirgeExtinction:
Did you happen to have Adaptive Brightness on for the Pixel? I've noticed having that on greatly lowers the brightness, even at its highest.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Scott:
No, not really. I did overclock and my scores went down. But the doubletap and sw2s are working awesome for me. Have not had any notable / rememberable issues thus far. But with that said, I will take a look at Franco now.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Smallsmx3:
One of the reasons the op3 is faster is more RAM. It can hold apps in RAM longer
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
I don't think it'd have that dramatic of an effect on synthetic benchmarks.

I should contact someone with an OP3T and see what they score in Vellamo benchmarks. I feel like those are fantastic and realistic benchmarks (and it's made by Qualcomm).
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iPwn_:
The Pixel also has substantially slower filesystem performance than the OP3T.

I don't understand why, because it has the same UFS part number for the memory itself as the Galaxy S7, along with the SD821 hardware crypto engine. But the GS7 sequential and random I/O performance is leagues better.

But it's pretty much identical to the 5X/6P in I/O performance, and that's ****ing awful. Those had slower memory and the much slower default ARMv8 crypto.

There's a possibility decrypting this phone will be beneficial.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] TurboBot247:
No, the Pixel and Pixel XL use eMmC storage like the OP3T and most non-samsung phones, but the storage device itself is fast. Performance is slower, especially in write speeds, due to the encrypted storage, similar to the Nexus 5X and 6P, as you said. This also seems to hinder I/O performance.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Punkid:
The Pixel phones and OP3/3T all have UFS 2.0.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bruce lee roy:
It's because of F2FS
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iPwn_:
The S7 doesn't have F2FS, is using the exact same memory part number as the Pixel (iFixit confirmed), is also encrypted, yet yields far higher benchmark results for I/O performance.

The Pixel should have the lower overhead encryption anyway, since it's using a coprocessor on the SoC for it, like the iPhone does.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bruce lee roy:
Didn't realize op question about benchmarking. Benchmarks mean very little in terms of real world perforance. As proof, the pixel performs much better than s7 despite producing the results you mentioned.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iPwn_:
The Pixel is smoother, but the S7 is noticeably faster doing file operations like loading apps, loading data like images, etc.

Even AnandTech says the Pixel has some of the slowest performance for file based tasks for 2016 flagships.

Filesystem performance isn't some arbitrary benchmark, it's directly correlated to performance in reading/writing data.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bruce lee roy:
I've spent a decent amount of time with the s7 and I can assure you that you have nothing to obsess about because performance all around is better in the pixel. So just relax and enjoy the wonderful device you are holding.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flar2:
I recommend using the stock governor (sched) but there is no reason to use the stock kernel. ElementalX is the same or better than the stock kernel in every respect.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Ha ha, OK. Flashing it after flashing the new update. Never did like stock kernels anyway, but for this phone I think twice before installing an app even. Never had this buttery experience before, so you understand. But your reply means gives me more than enough confidence.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Flash a custom kernel and download the High Brightness Mode widget from the Play Store (also developed by flar2 who makes EX kernel). It boosts the AMOLED panel to sunlight brightness levels just like Samsung's phones, because it's a Samsung panel. The Pixel will hit over 700 nits by doing this, far brighter than the OP3. You can enable this mode on demand with the widget, or set it to Auto so it works by itself in situations such as being outdoors.

Adaptive brightness only restricts max brightness if you are not in a bright ambient area, but he compared those phones in a dim area... so it's possible he missed that, but unlikely.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] drmanhattan:
You guys were both right adaptive brightness was robbing me of a few nits so thanks for that, but I'm still missing a bit I've considered rooting this has been the first Phone I have kept completely stock ever due to how awesome my overall experience has been especially Battey life. I have rooting and dropping a custom kernel more and more lately just haven't taken the plunge.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
This guy might be on to something here about the filesystem and the way user IP is handled on the Pixel vs the Moto Z, which has some of the fastest storage available on a phone at the moment.

http://taras.glek.net/post/Moto-Z-has-10x-less-lag-than-pixel/

Food for thought. Will update the OP With this as well.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Midomad:
[MENTION=4752299]Alcolawl[/MENTION] how are you bro?

I sold my nexus 5x and tried the pixel xl for about two week and now i'm using a OP3T and i can confirm to you that performance is better on the 3T.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
Hanging in there, man. Hope things are well on your end.

Quick question, since you're running the OP3T would you mind grabbing Vellamo benchmark on the Play Store and sharing your Metal and Multicore scores with us? I don't know what the default governor is on your phone but try it once at stock settings (or your favorite daily driver values) and then try it once more with performance governor enabled. This made no difference on the Pixel, which was interesting.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bruce lee roy:
If your looking for the fastest phone, you should save yourself all this energy and OP3T. No need for further test and conversation because It has the faster process, lower resolution, better, a more efficient filing system, and better benchmark scores.

If you're willing to pay more for fastest updates, better camera, better support, better Ai, increased stability, and unlimited cloud storage ( phonos and videos) then go with the pixel. I hope you enjoy whichever device you decide upon.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
The point of this topic is for healthy discussion and perhaps discovery of ways to speed up the Pixel/Pixel XL. Nothing wrong with that. It actually spawned a whole new branch of kernel from DespairFactor. It's fun and a great way to learn more about our devices. I can't just scoop up an OP3T anyways, I'm a Project Fi customer and I have four phones to choose from on this network. This network saves me a ton of money every month and works well in the two areas that I live and work in. Otherwise, trust me, I would've spent half of what I spent on this Pixel XL for an OP3T.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Midomad:
Here you go mate.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Midomad:
I hope you will [emoji12]
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
Wow. I scored 3045 on Metal and 3239 on MultiCore. Pretty staggering, the difference. Although, I do get a "Filesystem Issue" error on Metal during the Filesystem I/O benchmark, so it automatically scores that as a 0.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Midomad:
The device was on charge and a bit hot so it could give better results i think,

Anyway it's a phenomenal device.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DespairFactor:
Anyone test with sdcardfs?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] almightysiman:
how to enable sdcardfs？I am willing to test.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DespairFactor:
Put ro.sys.sdcardfs=true in your build prop.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] almightysiman:
done,but nothing seem different.

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how can I see it's already functioning？
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DespairFactor:
dmesg will show the mounting
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] almightysiman:
OK,I see,thanks！

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seem running fine.run androbench for testing,read and write speed almost the same as before.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] nrage23:
Hard to beat the One Plus 3T when they cheat on benchmarks.

https://www.xda-developers.com/benc...ght-red-handed-and-what-theyve-done-about-it/
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Midomad:
One Plus 3T is a beast.

Who care about benchmark...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] nrage23:
Glad you like it. The Pixel XL is a beast also without the need to boost for benchmarks.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Alcolawl:
Enabled SDcardFS via Build Prop and verified to be working via dmesg.

Benchmarks basically look the same. I'm assuming the only real difference would be in Storage I/O benchmarks and those look the same as well. Maybe a slight boost in Sequential Write speeds but the scores fluctuate a little bit each run.

Well then.. It's funny I actually read that article before seeing your link and just from the title, I knew it'd be about the OP3T. Sons a *****es.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
As soon as I read that article I thought about this thread and had your same sentiments.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dermotti:
Busted lol.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bruce lee roy:
What happen to 3T guys and all that talk about healthy discussion?