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[General Topics] mike freegan:
That would be helpful. Perhaps there is a patch on the new ones then. I tried encoding the same videos at various resoltions, bitrates and fps.

What software do you use to encode?

Did you try the benchmark function of coreplayer, because mine starts dropping frames regardless of resolution/codec/bitrate after 18-19fps
[General Topics] bommel0815:
I just did two screenshots. but ain't that similar performance to the Kaiser? ie playing 320x240 movies well but starting to stutter with 640x480 videos?
[General Topics] cushcalc:
Apples and Oranges.

You are using an OS that is designed to display most any app in most any size window. Windows

Mobile

, OTOH, is not really a windowed interface, is it?
[General Topics] bommel0815:
yep, right.

you remember DOS? many apps were written for 320x240 and 640x480 screens.

its the same with windows mobile. developers expect these resoltions and often times dont follow the ms guidelines and hardcode many UI items.
[General Topics] netnerd:
then y u switched to XP or Vista if it having DOS comptiablity issues!?
[General Topics] bommel0815:
I just said that many PPC apps are hardcoded and this won't change unless the X1 or other 800x480 ppcs are a big success.

these screens have to become important to developers, otherwise they will not be widely supported.

HTC, e-ten, gigabyte, etc. are all using 640x480 screens, and the installed basis is huge. we will see I guess.

netnerd that was not my point.

I said that PC apps used to be hardcoded resolution wise. modern PC applications usually aren't. modern PPC apps often still are.

but somehow this is all missing the point as you are probably right that most (productivity) apps, especially those you are after, will work fine with 800x480. If they'd just stick 3,5" displays on these things...

oh, and according to my doctor, I have 120% eyesight, and still I find the smallest fonts on VGA on 2.8" to be barely readable. on the 3" 800x480 screens the pixeldensity is even higher, because the side that is 480 pixels in height is physically shorter than on 640x480 2.8" screens.

dont be fooled by 3" is bigger than 2,8".

the diagonal is, yes. but the screens get narrower and small items get even smaller.
[General Topics] netnerd:
i'm sure the pictures look bigger on analog TV too! are u going to convince me to stay away from HDTV?
[General Topics] bommel0815:
this has come way off topic and I would suggest to open a new thread for this discussion, so that this one can stay focussed on the 9502.

the only thing I wanted to say is that this high a resolution on that small a screen has, as was already mentioned, diminishing returns.

but you are so focussed on the fact that the X1 will have a 3" screen that you don't realize that it is not much bigger. its wider, but its also NARROWER.

I was thinking about an XDA Flame and an Universal before I settled on the 9502 because I wanted a bigger screen. One problem is that things that get very small on a highres screen are almost impossible to click on, even with the stylus (links in netfront for example). playing OpenTTD is another thing, but as you said you dont play games, its not an issue of course.

I am with you that its better to have a higher resolution and a bigger screen. I 100% agree on that.

The only things I wanted to point out are that

1) the 800x480 resolution is rather uncommon. uncommon means trouble with windows mobile apps.

2) the screen is not really bigger, its bigger in one dimension but smaller in the other.

3) while higher res is better, its not a the pinnacle of mobile computing. remote desktop for instance is nice to look at with a 2.8" VGA screen, but very hard to control, due to the size of the controls.

got it? now back to the 9502 :)

I just tried the redshift "the quest" demo, and it looks brilliant on that screen. Its a bit slow, but very playable.
[General Topics] netnerd:
u can count, dont u?

i want more pixels on screen, i want to see more infos on screen, got it!?

3" WVGA is not that much bigger than VGA at 2.8. how about paypal me 1000$, and i paypal u back 900$ ! it' only a small 100 buk different!
[General Topics] bommel0815:
:)

back on topic:

Video performance. I just downloaded StarWreck.

a 640x272 Xvid movie. it runs fine in coreplayer, altough not with 30fps but 22fps, according to coreplayer benchmark (after the first 1:30).

its ok and looks good, but could be better. too bad windows media player can't play xvid. i would be interested in a comparison.

edit: the (legal) torrent for the movie can be found here: http://www.starwreck.com/download.php if you want to compare the performance.
[General Topics] P996:
I have 175% eyesight(vision sharpness) and I love tiny screens and fonts. Unfortunately I'm 43 years old and I got +1 on both eyes over the last two years, so I need to wear some narrow vision glasses to enjoy the sharp vision. On the other hand, I see like a falcon when it comes to long distances, the perfect sniper I guess. ;)

I hate Nokia for using such large fonts and low res screens on their "state-of-the-art" smartphones(exception: the inner display of the E90 and the N80) and I always loved how the GUI is looking on some SE phones but especially the iPhone. The i-mate 9502 was my first VGA Windows Mobile smartphone and very likely for a very long time my last one. Apparently we need to wait for WM 7 to see an improvement regarding resolution and OS compatibility. The latest HTC Touch Diamond is a very good example of how inadequate WM6.1 is and how limited the options of hardware manufacturers are. With the fast evolution of Symbian and the sensational iPhone OS, Microsoft seems to have woken up from their dreamland. WM7 promises a lot of good features, enhanced speed/functionality and support for modern hardware. Unfortunately the iPhone 2 is just around the corner and Microsoft will have an even more serious competitor with iPhone OSX 3. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Apple or MS fanboy, I use what suits me best, no matter who makes it. I just hope that Symbian, MS and Apple are aware of the fact that they're shaping the future of mobile devices right now.

Right now, my favorite phones are Nokia N95 8GB, Nokia E90 and the "old" iPhone. I just wish some manufacturer would combine all three and make the perfect toy. ;) The HTC Touch Diamond was supposed to be my next WM phone but I passed on it, the reviews aren't too good(I'm spoiled by the iPhone) and my experience with the 9502 doesn't justify another buy. When WM7 comes out, I will give it another try but right now, I spent enough money on WM devices, the iPhone 2 is next.
[General Topics] Jasjarhaxxor:
hmm.. 110% on a 320x240 video with ****ty sound

compared to 230% on my jasjar.....

jasjar plays most 640x480 videos fine 100-150% and better at 624mhz :cool:

9502 does the same videos at 30 - 70%...... :mad:

has anyone out there been reduced to writing your own driver?

if so speak up so we can all work together.

(then email the driver to i-mate and laugh at the programmers)
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Does anyone else's 9502 sometimes lose signal and not bother trying to find it again when on standby? Quite annoying when it sits in my pocket all day without signal.

It's also started to turn itself off a lot too.
[General Topics] Ineedtoys:
Had that a few times but exchanged it and been OK so far.
[General Topics] yuwan:
Found a way to force the graphic driver to show 262K color as 9502 have 262K VGA LCD

I found a way just now to force the display to show 262K... Just open the registry: HKLM/System/GDI/Drivers

and change the "Bpp" key from 16 to 18.. Save & restart the PDA.. Check in Settings > System > System Information under "Color",it wil show 262K color... (Sorry for my bad English)

Also I found that D3D-Demo.exe for Kaiser in "HTC Class Action Kaiser Driver cabinet file" run smoothly in 9502 but not for the OpenGL ES demo... Seems that 9502 D3D driver enabled already but not optimized.. Don't try to install the Kaiser driver as it incompatible with 9502.

Btw, care to help me? I lost some file from the WM6.1 ROM, seems that i-Mate forgot to include it in the new ROM. Checked with Pocket Mechanic, says some registry is invalid as the file in not found, try googling but no luck..

The file are: QTVStreamSourceFilter.dll, QC_MP4Encoder.dll, QCVideoSyncFilter.dll

If anyone have that file in their device, probably 9502 with WM6 (original) ROM, please send it to my email: x3n0m0rph@live.com

Thank you a lot ^^ Wish you all the best...
[General Topics] fred65:
Hi, i've got the 9502 with the new ROM, it has been working fine for a couple of weeks...

Suddenly, all of the buttons stopped working. After a soft-reset, they come back but stop after a few minutes. The screen doesn't rotate either. The touch screen works fine as well.

The buttons actually light up, and the power button is unaffected. The keyboard doesn't do much either. Really strange.

I tried a hard reset, and still no joy, looking like a weird hardware problem, a short amount of time after any reset the buttons just don't respond.

Can anyone help me out, or any advice? This is strange... cheers!
[General Topics] nebullus_sg:
official imate 9502 win 6.1 rom

http://www.imate.com
[General Topics] The Solutor:
Winterface frree for the imate users just go to imate.com and download it.
[General Topics] ch0kee:
i-mate live support

Hi there, I'm not an i-mate employee;) but I offer imate live chat support,

they help

merry christmas

I'll report again if my problem is solved (or not :confused: )
[General Topics] dogmaster:
Unable to listen music with BT ear piece

Hi,

recently updated my imate 9502 with the WM6.1, everything seems to work well, the Motorolla Blue Tooth headset that I have been using all this while still works well for making phone calls, except, it cannot be use for watching movies or listening to music, no sound is coming out from the headset.

I was able to use the headset for listening to music and watching videos on the imate when it is in the old ROM WM6.0.

Can anyone help?
[General Topics] casouzaj:
In normal conditions, mono BT headsets are meant to be used for phone calls only, due to their implemented BT protocols (HSP or HFP). I suppose there are means (by changing some reg keys) to have all audio routed to a mono BT headset, though. I don't need to do it because I use BT stereo ones (which "speak" A2DP) for that purpose. By the way, wireless stereo sound works flawlessly with this ROM, for both music and videos.

Cheers!

Carlos
[General Topics] congpay:
Anybody know what happen to forums.imate.com ? I can't access it again since yesterday ? Hmm..Imate is going BANKRUPT....!!!
[General Topics] casouzaj:
i-mate has closed all of them. A real shame !!!
[General Topics] iwwwwwwi:
Hi All,

I've just got myself a brand new 9502 from expansys.co.uk as they had some special offer for them (199GBP).

So far so good - just wondering - what's happening with i-mate specific forum on xda-dev? I've tried to google more information about my new toy but in the moment this forum seams to be the only source of information about I-mates. It would be extremely nice to have our own sub-forum here.

Does anyone manage to cook customized ROM for Ultimates 9502? If yes - is there any chance to share the information about how to do it? Tried to find something on aboutfone.com but it seams that the site has been hacked :/

Thanks in advance and Regards

iwwwwwwi (happy I-mate Ultimate 9502 user)
[General Topics] ZSX:
Hi! I too am an Expansys special deal imate 9502 owner. I'm truly loving this phone at the moment. I am coming from a Touch Diamond, which I still use as my primary phone, but do like the 9502's hardware keyboard and especially the long battery life. There's a proper 1600mAh battery in there!

As I have a separate SIM for unlimited data (no calls/texts) I've put that into my 9502, which is really handy as you can use it for sharing the internet connection with a PC, or independently as a mobile internet device (MID).

I've not customized it much yet, but am using Opera Mobile (build 1182) and Bell+UI.

Sadly the one thing missing are the ROM cooks. Flashing the device to 6.1 was a far longer process than the usual flashing of HTC ROMs though.
[General Topics] h9s:
Hi,

I just owned 2nd Imate 9505 @ USD400 ^^ i hope it's a good deal, BTW is there any1 here going to cook some ROM?

Looking for Cooked ROM.

Happy Happy
[General Topics] Duracell Bunny:
Hi, has the windows 6.1 update fixed any of the previous issues with the phone...... Ie: has the 2Gb sdhc limit thing been resolved etc.....

Just a hopeful soon to be owner...........:)
[General Topics] casouzaj:
Yes! Rest assured that I leave a 8GB microSDHC card inserted all the time, since day 1, without a single glitch so far (knock on wood :D). Before even having received my 9502 last July, I recall reading a lot of threads around stating that i-mate's stock ROM had many flaws. So, I decided to flash Telstra's leaked WM6.1 beta ROM (v1.73) as soon as I received it. This ROM already supported SDHC out of the box.

Last November I flashed i-mate's official WM6.1 (v1.77) ROM (dowload link is in my signature, below) as soon as it was released. You see, BT-A2DP, SDHC, WiFi, HSxPA, GPS, all work as they are supposed to...

Just my 2 cents!

Carlos
[General Topics] ZSX:
Like the above poster, I'm using an 8GB SDHC in my 9502 running the official 6.1. It is really good for IM, Facebook, Twitter, mainly because of the hardware keyboard.

My only problems are that the address bar in Opera seems to time out when you are using the hardware keyboard, and that I am getting this rather odd charging problem with the 9502.

Basically, there are times when it refuses to charge, and there are times when the battery drains at a crazy speed - I'm talking 30% in 15 minutes. Not sure why this is happening as at other times it seems to work fine. This is annoying because there are times when the huge battery lasts the whole day with heavy internet browsing via HSDPA, and IM and email via Exchange and Windows Live, but then I can pick up the phone one morning from the charger to find it has a low battery warning.

This can't be normal, but I am hanging on to the phone for a while yet to see whether it settles down since I like it so much. I still have some time left on the warranty.
[General Topics] Duracell Bunny:
Well, i have my imate now.... ;-)

Quite like it so far, just hope i have no annoying "problems" with it......

My question because i do have one is this....... Has anyone heard of an in-car unit for it.... My Mda 111 used to slot into a a unit with a built in speaker and i rewired the mic to a remote one and the hands free capabilities were very good....... Plus of course it charged as well.....

I would like the same "clarity" of sound and convenience with my new imate...

My head unit has bluetooth ability but the sound from it is dreadful.... ;-(

I don't mind getting the soldering iron out and having a play and would rather do that than put up with something less than good.....

Thanks

Roger
[General Topics] casouzaj:
Hi Roger,

Congratulations on your new device! I simply love mine! :)

If it can be of any help, you'll find out that the 9502's speakerphone function is one of the (if not THE) best available on the market today, not needing an external speaker at all.

Cheers!

Carlos
[General Topics] Duracell Bunny:
Hi Carlos

It's not so much that i need an external speaker, but i do need an external mic...

An external speaker may be helpful though.... I'm just aware of how much noise interferes with a call when i'm in the car.......

I like to hear and be heard without having to think about having to "listen" or "having to raise my voice" if you know what mean......

Roger
[General Topics] casouzaj:
Well, I already used my device's speakerphone while I was driving, and it worked fine. However, I often use a BT headset...

Cheers!

Carlos
[General Topics] mav42:
Using CoPilot with 9502

I have the full Aust Ver of CoPilot which came with my tytn II, and works well :) I tried to put it on to my Imate 9502 but when it tries to load the cab file is says not allowed to use this Ver.

Iis there any way around this ??? has i own the software i thought i could place it on any device cap of running it
[General Topics] globalgpj:
I bought mine in Dec 08 when I heard that v1.77 came out. Got a deal, 2wks old for 445. AUD. I just bought anther one brand new for a friend for 520 AUD. Sounds like the UK deal at 199 GBP is a steal of a deal. When compared with all the features with everything out there in pda land, IMO this is the best value for money deal.

I have to say, I don't have any problems whatsoever with my Imate. I run a 16GB card, tons of programs. Battery lasts a long time. Sound like you got some charging issues. I would remove the battery, clean the contacts and possibly reflash the device with the 1.77 ROM again and see what happens. Failing this, I would send it for warranty. You could also try a new battery and fully charge it before using it, even once. Everything on this device works great for me.

If I had one complaint it would be the camera. I was discussing this with some other users on the Imate forum when it was running. It seems when selecting all the highest resolution settings the max output of a jpg file is about 700K. For a 3mp camera one would expect over 1mb. I questioned imate support and they said they were aware and were working on a fix. A month later I spoke with another guy from support, he said they had no idea about this problem and there were no fixes coming out??? Other user of Imate pre 1.77 said there quality of pics were higher with the original and previous 1.73ROMs.

Cheers.
[General Topics] globalgpj:
Can't help you with copilot, but destinator 7 works fine. The fix with this chipset takes longer than my Eten x500 device, which had a SIRF III chipset, but D7 still works great.
[General Topics] Duracell Bunny:
I have another question.......;)

Before i upgraded from Wm6 to 6.1 i had a nice 6 button comm manager, but since i did i now have a rather rubbish looking 4 bar "thing".... :(

Has or does anyone know why this is and can it be "fixed"..????

I'm disappointed because the "lost" comm manager was a pleasant "visual" surprise, albeit it didn't last long........And i would like to see it again....

So, any help would be good, thanks

On another note i use Tomtom 6 on mine and it works very well, it works better now than it did on my Mda 111....

On yet another note...... My battery also seems less than "dynamic" when it comes to battery life..... I have uninstalled S2U2 in case this was an issue and paying attention to what it may be a drag on battery life..... I am also trying "winterface" to see if i like it and as it has an integrated slide to unlock it may perform as i need.......I might turn down the screen brightness a little to see if that helps as well......
[General Topics] casouzaj:
Yes, the Wireless Manager is pretty much WM's default now, but I does what it is supposed to do, anyway.

I have never run the stock WM6 ROM, but I know its Wireless Manager had the GPS toggle button, then. Since GPS is now toggled automatically, that one is not needed anymore.

You've said it had 6 buttons? Well, the remaining one I don't know what for... :)

Cheers!

Carlos
[General Topics] Duracell Bunny:
Originally Posted by mav42.......

Been thinking, i have also discovered that some of my software from my Mda 111 is now defunct.....:( The license i had for my software was for that, if i want to run it on my 9502 i need to buy another license....... Looking at the "legal" bit of most software it does state that it's for single use only on one device........ Bit of a bugger but "right" i suppose........

And although i now have a slide out keyboard i was still hoping to be able to install my touchpal on screen keyboard...... But for some reason it refuses to install...??? Anyone got any ideas why.....???? I say this because they have said they will grant me a new license for my new device, which i think is "most decent" of them.........

If were going to talk good deals for the 9502 then i could mention that i got mine on a 12 month contract for the amount of minutes / texts / data that i need with the phone for free and Just £30 pound a month for all i will use to me is a bargain.........
[General Topics] ZSX:
Well, I did a hard reset yesterday, put the phone on the charger, and miracle of miracles the battery went right up to full for the first time in a fortnight.

I'm not holding my breath though...
[General Topics] Adamantite:
Hi all, another new 9502 user here.

Has anyone managed to get Opera running with Flash Lite 3.1?

If you have please let us know which build of Opera and which flash cab you are using.

thx
[General Topics] domal:
hello all

i m new imate 9502 owner plz what is the best rom for this device , is any custum rom ?? like others models htc ???

srry about my en :)
[General Topics] casouzaj:
Welcome !

There are 4 ROMs for the 9502, at least that I'm aware of:

1 - The stock WM6 ROM. It comes flashed in the device out of the box, and can't be downloaded from anywhere;

2 - A beta WM6.1 ROM (v1.73) was released by last July. It can be found here;

3 -Later on, i-mate released their official WM6.1 ROM (v1.77). This is the one I'm presently using. Its download link can be found at my signature below;

4 - Member 'Crescendo Xenomorph', a big guru here, has just released a beta cooked ROM for our devices. It can be found here. I couldn't flash it because I get an error during the flashing process, but it is a very promissing ROM. You could give it a try...

Cheers!

Carlos
[General Topics] ZSX:
Hi there,

I thought I'd post an update on the hardware problems I've been having with the 9502. Basically, it had to go back for repair, a process which took nearly 3 weeks, but was thankfully covered by warranty.

It turned out that the problem with the charging was due to a faulty main board, so that has been swapped out, and I consequently have a new IMEI. This is of course rather annoying as I have software linked to my previous one. Thankfully most software companies are understanding, but it is a hassle to have to contact each one.

The phone works fine now and I am getting back to rediscovering it.
[General Topics] Duracell Bunny:
Glad you got it sorted..............:)

I've been playing with mine ever since i got it.........:o

I just sorted mine out today for the car......... Now i can plug my phone up and

get my tomtom on my big (larger than my imate) screen in my car......

I have a 5" widescreen that i used for my reversing camera, and now for satnav...........

Well sorted and very happy........:D
[General Topics] fred65:
hey, yes I've tried the 1.73 ROM which was OK, but HW keyboard i found was slow, and the device wasn't very snappy... Tried the Xenomorph ROM but flashing failed :( so reluctantly went with 1.77 and am surprised at how much better than the 1.73 ROM it is! I recommend it, but try Xenomorph's too!
[General Topics] techx:
Needing a better comm manager

Hi All,

Any updates of getting a better Comm Manager? I need it cos I want to disable 3G services as I'm not using it.

TQ

techx
[General Topics] xfile2208:
Hello, I'm Vietnamese, currently using 9502 I-Mate, I'm using the 6.1 ROM version 1.77, I want to find the rom 6.5, where it is, I like HTC Home version 2.0 but not the VGA screen
[General Topics] casouzaj:
I think a cooked WM6.5 ROM has not been released for our devices. I'm afraid we'll have to rely on i-mate's good will to do it. :eek:

Regarding the HTC Home application, I use htchome2. I recommended it 6 months ago in this post.

Hope it helps...

Cheers!

Carlos
[General Topics] qazzi76:
Seriously - @All

I think the best Idea would be to sell your 9502s and recoup any losses you can as this device will not get any support.

I had one too.

The last I heard of Imate is that they were having very serious money problems.

Also the HTC Touch Pro - my previous phone is everything the 9502 should have been but wasn't.

Just my 2 cents.