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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JPIndustrie:
Put me down for $5. I hate seeing the phone taking 6 yrs to redrawn the screen after sliding.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] klomann666:
10$ from me (if these drivers will also speed up the polaris)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lftrejo:
put me down for $20, it would be great if somebody developed these drivers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ryanbg:
another $10 if it works for the vogue also
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] motegi:
cool

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/htc-kaiser-fans-cough-up-over-5-000-for-homebrew-video-drivers/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinhdk:
Just seen it on ENGADGET - maybe som more advertising in the forum could be an idea.. (I am not in this part of the forum very often :rolleyes:)

I put up 20$.

Good luck..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] k4syx:
10$, by PayPal.

First post, but I'm dead searious about that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] henoch:
$10 from me too.

Just tell me when and where to send it.

Sure I could still return it but what i'm gonna get instead? We could be so close

to perfect phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hoot:
$15 from me for the working drivers (I will reinvoice on HTC ;])

thx for the effort in advance and keeping my fingers crossed*!

*one finger goes to HTC

--

hoot

HTC = HowToCheat (own customers)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dperren:
Sod it, $15 (or todays GBP equivilent in the event of significant exchange rate fluctuation) from me as well for a fully working and stable set of drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nosmohtac:
Another $25 from me if it works on the Titan/Mogul.

I hope this gets to be enough incentive for some of the great minds of this community to pull this off, even if it's a combined effort and a split of the funds.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] noyz:
Wow...nearly $6k. Hell, this should be enough incentive for HTC to just make/release the drivers....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] grizzlymint:
Put me in for 75.00. I am so sick of HTC right now. I remember the days when customer service actually mattered.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lev00:
Add another $40 from me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LongStrider:
Put me down for $30.00. I have the pleasure of working for a company that knows how to take care of their customers, I wish HTC knew how to do the same. This will be the last HTC phone I purchase (unless they see the errors of their ways). I do have choices. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
More money for the cause!

Put me down for 20$.... This is getting ridamndiculous.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikklos:
Put me in for $40!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Parm:
Thanks Jimmyy, I've dugg it. Perhaps put that link in the first post of this thread? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] reneabe:
Count me in!

Another $30 for the cause from Brazil! :D (of course, if it works for the TyTn II...)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] White_Hair:
Count me in! I will put down $25.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pharvin1:
$25 from me-- and I hope somehow HTC gets the message.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Shub-Niggurath:
Ill chip in $20 (eq. in £) for some decent drivers. Would be nice to have pocket quake playable again! Wheres the paypal button...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mattpark:
I agree. Perhaps somebody should actually start collecting these promised funds? A potential developer would be a lot more willing to have a go if the money was actually confirmed, and ready for payment.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zulvio:
Are you ready to pay for hope ? I'm not...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] toyfreak:
I propose a ban for those who promise and don't deliver if a fix is developed... Mean, aren't I?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martincyborg@gmail.com:
I think either posting a paypalbutton with a guarantee of refund if no sollution appears, or toyfreaks suggestion with banning those who won't step up. Lets get this show on the road already!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martincyborg@gmail.com:
I think either posting a paypalbutton with a guarantee of refund if no sollution appears, or toyfreaks suggestion with banning those who won't step up. Lets get this show on the road already! I promised 50$ and will be more than happy to pay now in case of the former! sorry for the double
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
question

Question: How easy or hard is it going to be to install the driver when we finally get something? A simple .cab install?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cuboosh:
ive already offered up once.. with this issue becoming more and more public and htc not doing **** im throwing another 100$ into the pot.. sold one of my other tilts so thats making me able to throw another 100$ into this.. total im in for now is $120.00
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Revin:
Slow TyTN II

Hey guys,

let's say 30 $ for drivers. But I really don't know if this helps... We should get the specifications of the chip, but how... I really hate HTC for this and I am not buying any future products from them.

I really don't know what to do... if they have factory in my country, I will take some guys and go protesting or something...

I tried to email HTC but no answer. It is true, that we have to contact persons which means something in HTC, but where we can get their numbers, emails... I don't want to give up to HTC. This device (HTC TYTN II) was very expensive to other similiar products and I was expecting that it will be superior in almost everything and it is even slower? They must be kiding...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JonnoB:
For a full complement of drivers (D3D, etc) I am willing to put up $100.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GotTilt:
Another way to skin a cat?

Apologies if this idea has already been floated. I read the first 8 pages or so -- 44 is kinda time consuming...;-)

Considering the large numbers of users on this site, what if the owners here simply informed the carriers and 3rd party vendors that XDA will be recommending that its Kaiser/Tilt users NOT purchase video intensive applications until this driver issue is solved?

The difference in price between the Tilt and an unlocked Kaiser tells you AT&T isn't making money selling phones. They want the 2-yr service contract. But AT&T subsidizes the cost of phone by selling, in essence, ad space to vendors like Telenav and MobiTV. These vendors (or subsidiaries if in fact owned by AT&T) bank on the expectation that some percentage of Tilt users will subscribe to their services.

In addition, AT&T wants to sell existing customers its own video/multimedia services. If users of the company's flagship multimedia device are boycotting 3rd party vendors and home grown services -- not to mention other products like Tom-Tom and high-end mobile games -- AT&T will pressure HTC to solve the driver issue. And it'll be resolved by the end of that week.

Just my 2 cents...American -- so really, like 1.2 cents.

tj
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ahmadashar:
Protest against htc

hi guys,

i was woundering cant we all get together and hold a protest outside HTC's head office..... surely there should be one in usa and uk....... u know like in movies... we all get together make some noise......... hold up banners and call the press in on it the whole 9 yards....and in an instant we can get all the publicity that we need to presure htc for the drivers..... and if we are lucky some big news channel will capture it and HTC will hav to do something about it..... sigh...

anyways $5 (wat ever is equaltent in £) towards the pot from me.... Is there anyone actually working to write the drives and if so any luck?

thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] willgill:
$50 if it works on the Touch too.

Dallas, TX
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeklein127:
Proress on 3rd party driver?

I know some of you how have posted here will call me crazy, but I am really interested in getting an ATT Tilt – of the win mobile devices, it has the most comprehensive list of capabilities. The only thing stopping me from going forward is this driver issue, which I thank this community greatly for enlightening me about the issue.

Does anyone know when this issue may get resolved, specifically about the progress on the 3rd party driver development? I see a lot about bounties and petitions, but I’m not sure where I should go to find out more about this. Any help is appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeklein127:
Next set of HTC phones with 7200 Processor?

Update to my last post: I just remembered to ask about when new HTC phones with the 7200 processor will be out o the market? Since these devices should contain a driver that will enable graphics acceleration (according to HTC’s last statement about video drivers), those drivers should work for the TnTy/Tilt. Anyone know when the next line of phones will be out or where I could go to find out?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] demonizator:
$10 for a partial success that will make my device at least on par with its predecessors, and $20 for drivers that will utilize the full power of the chipset's hardware.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] toyfreak:
www.htcclassaction.org is the best synopsis and has running up-to-date information.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
With all the denying HTC has done about this issue, I seriously doubt any new drivers on any new hardware will be compatible. HTC will make sure of that.

I called HTC yesterday about an unrelated issue and eventually asked about the video preformance and the support guy was very prepared for his response. He told me that the hardware for the graphics acceleration WAS NOT in the device. I of course told him it was bull that I paid so much for it but I think they have told their support to give very specific responses to stop rumors. I seriously hope we can make this work.

Aren't there any electrical engineers with this phone that would take it apart and find out if the hardware really does exist? There has to be.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
Pledged Total as of Right Now +$6K!!!

Hey guys... The total pledged Bounty Prize as of right now is:

US$6,615.78

245 users have contributed so far - thank you all!! =)

I've been trying to spread the word with friends in the developer world (mostly MS)... but still, much can be done with a more coverage on tech news sites.

Please try contacting your favorite blogs and online magazines to keep making noise and avoid the echo to fade out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ponicg:
I can't comment on the Kaiser... but I can comment about the Mogul. The Mogul has the MSM7500 chip in it. I've seen the physical chip. Qualcomm differentiates non-ATi Imageon MSMs by adding 25 to the #(or so I've gleaned...) Therefore a non-ATi Imageon enabled MSM7500 is the MSM7525. The MSM7225 is the non-ATi Imageon enabled MSM7200. Someone pop the Kaiser open and look at the Qualcomm chip. If it's MSM7200, you've got the hardware.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] potpeye:
put me down for 50$ US
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jeperand:
I'm with you...

I'll gladly pay 25 USD.

Jesper Andersen, jesper.a@mac.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dinfinity:
I'll pledge USD 30, and will pay it with a big satisfied smile on my face!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dan.leahu:
I'll put my hopes in this new driver, so 20$ from me too :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ben daniel:
I hope the hardware is in there, and if it is and the drivers are developed i'll gladly pay $20!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
HTC's own spec sheets (and product pages on their website) clearly state the Tytn II uses the MSM7200, so if there's anything else inside that's clearly false advertising!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mr4000:
Qualcomm 7200 inside, no doubt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nekrofio:
Maybe you should talk to the developers of CorePlayer for writing some sort of drivers. They seem to have some insight on the question, seeing as my TyTn plays video files 99999999% better with their software due to the new QTV addition. And probably talk to Qualcomm how much it would cost to get the complete instruction set and everything needed for a SDK.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] spellshaper:
Thats very brave, thank you. I have tried to open my old phone once and it never works again. Hope your is ok or hope its not your phone ;)

I dont know if its necessary, but is there somewhere any mention or logo of ATI?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
Wow is that really the kaiser?

It has the chip!

I'll gladly donate $20, maybe more later

ALSO: Maybe HTC is releasing a more expensive version of this phone with drivers written and a little different hardware feel to it (to appeal to a more multimedia consumer base) and doesn't want the Kaiser to be a cheaper alternative!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
Good work mr4000.

Do you have more pictures of the inside of your phone? If so, you should start a wiki-page on the xda-wiki showing the detailed pictures of the inside of the phone. I still have a warranty and will not be opening my phone anytime soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chuby007:
Donation

put me up for 20$ !

I want the driver !!! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Would be cool if we could swap the chip for something else. kinda like you can do on pc motherboards lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SFVDan:
Count me in for $20.

Dan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dheehd:
I ll give $20 too to speed up that sooooo slooooow camera!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
That picture is from the FCC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swguru:
$25

I pledge $25 for drivers which work on the AT&T Tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
I'd do $25 as well for the HTC Touch (MSM 7500) on Sprint.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dhopeton:
put me down for $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigballsmcginty:
I'll throw down $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brayndeded:
i wonder what people here would think of taking some of this 'pledged money' and having one of the site leaders here, or someone on this forum with far greater smarts then me...(thats not saying much) take part of that money and buy a sacrificial unit to let someone work on, cuz im sure most of the people who would try the driver mods dont want to risk bricking their own unit. or even if someone has a unit that they dont use now, maybe we could ban together and get one cheap for testing.

anybody think this would be possible?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jarmanr:
I'll put in $20 USD.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
It is an interesting option... I don't know for sure what the developers working on this need to ease the process or to get started... I honestly have not heard of any developer dedicating to the formation of the driver or application - I have not searched enough either, there was too much previous movement in the forum before I got here that it is crazy to go through all threads and their posts :s... - I have HUGE amounts of hope that some one is actually looking forward to resolve this :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
Total as of Right Now - US$6930.78

US$6930.78

is the total pledged as of right now. :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brayndeded:
if we actually had all this money..or even part of it now, we could buy a lamb and offer it up free to the person or people who take on the task...??

current total hinging at $6900, even if we get 1/2 that collected, we could be well on our way.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
I do not want to spoil the party, but what are the ods that someone HAS already the driver ready and waits for a release untill this hits the 10K barrier?

As far as I know, no one has officialy confirmed that they would work on it neh?

This site has gained so much public and even the bounty that I realy start to wonder IF a driver / fix will be developed thans to this incentive.

So, who IS working on it ? Names?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nosmohtac:
As far as I'm concerned, HTC could have the drivers ready for the next generation of devices, and pop in here as an anonymous person to collect the bounty when they release it, and we'd still all get what we want.

I don't think anyone here cares if someone is waiting for the pot to get to some magical threshold, or who the hero will be. That's the whole point of starting something like this, to see if the incentive gets to the point that someone with the know-how is willing to commit the time and energy to get it done.

I wish I were smart enough to take this on, 'cause I'd like to get my hands on this kitty.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Ok so I googled Qualcomm SDK and found out about Brew SDK and was wondering if that is somewhat usable in creating the driver... How on that site as soon as I registered I was shown the following:

Hmm so what does this signify?... Qualcomm is not allowing driver usage?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
Anyone working on it?

Has anyone heard of anyone who is actively working on making drivers? Do they know if they've had any promising results?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] icewhitenewyear:
10$ from me =)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] therustytrumpet:
Ill pledge $20
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Can we see any updates or progress being made thus far? Anything at all?

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
So no one wants the money? Its enough to buy you a car!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phan10m:
im pretty sure people would love the money .. its just trying to make a driver and its kinda difficult if u could imagine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
I can surely imagine its not simple but the hefty pay is definitely a colossal incentive (if I were in the business of software) to try and create one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] diigibio:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have just contacted BBC Consumer Watchdog in the Uk in hope that they will read the information on www.htcclassaction.org and pick up the story to go more public and apply more pressure to get us the necessary drivers we require for our devices. I'll post again if they get back to me!!

Here's hoping they can spread the word further!!

diigibio (diigimatrix)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alexsha:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=791329&native_or_pdf=pdf

For more piccies of the guts.

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...omFrame=Y&application_id=409381&fcc_id='NM8KS'

For more in-depth FCC info
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] diigibio:
Great Pictures thanks. Very inciteful. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] daniel_rh:
What if the Kaiser really doesn't have the built-in video acceleration? I think is more easy for HTC to say We'll make a new driver to use the built-in graphics accelerator than say, our phone has cut out the built-in graphics accelerator... Is not the first time a company like Qualcomm makes a personalized graphic chipset for a specific company like HTC to reduce cost. Nvidia has made things like this before with their graphics cards.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
Well, according to the pics of an opened kaiser - it says 7200 on the actual chip - not 7225 or whatever it would be if it was missing the graphics accelerator.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SpiritualWarrior:
May Be Ati Can Do Something
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
Has anyone actually started programming? Does anyone know? On a side note -

I have contacted HTC and they have gathered some info from me regarding the driver issues. Here was their response to my email. They actually answered me really fast. Maybe HTC will be the ones with the driver.

"Hello Andrew,

Thank you for your inquiry in regards to AT&T Tilt.

Andrew, we here at HTC definitely understand your concern about being able to use your device to its full potential. In this case regarding the video rendering capabilities of your AT&T Tilt.

HTC has received similar feedback from other users and we are currently collecting examples to assist us in developing a fix. We request that you provide us with the following information about your device so that we can further investigate it. Please include:

. Your full name:

. Mobile number:

. IMEI:

. P/N:

. S/N:

. ROM Version:

. Details of issue:

Please provide a detailed account of the issue that you have experienced, which includes:

. Program used

. File size

. File format/encoding

. Resolution

. Video scaling (50%, 100%, full screen, etc.)

. Any other details that you believe to be relevant

We apologize if this issue has caused you any consternation. Please provide us with the above information at your earliest convenience.

I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.

HTC Technical Support

http://www.america.htc."
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
While that may be true, unfortunately it does not mean in absolution, that our phones have graphic acceleration of any kind. It's possible that it's labeled the same but does not have the hardware or even that it is the correct, capable chip, but the actual "traces" or "tracks" which are basically the hundreds of wires that connect to the chip, are not connected etc.

Unfortunately, it's possible.

But everything is "possible."

This however, is unlikely.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] matthewpapa:
Here is what i sent them, now awaiting response
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] matthewpapa:
I got the same response as praygo
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
I bet they're just giving that one out to everyone that has the issue.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] matthewpapa:
It is probably a good sign imo
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] qisback:
count me in for $50

and btw I assume you mean "2008" not "2007" on your first post. Nice to see some people don't want to move out of 2007.

Personally I couldn't wait!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Surfboomerang:
I have still some hope... see my conversation with ATI in another post:

Today I received the following answer from ATI :eek:

There is still hope...

(the other topic:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1876110#post1876110)

No answer from ATI so far... still waiting