yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
you can test by disabling doze in developer options and rebooting. and that is if you didnt turn on agressive doze in battery settings on 4.0.2.

also, people are still complaining since OP3 days about OP doze implementation and not receiving notifications. there are SO many factors that can be related to that, but kernel is not the one.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] santakiller12:
I don't know what you did with my OnePlus3t, but with your kernel I charge it once in 2 days, this is crazy bro! I WAS DOING IT EVERY SINGLE DAY BEFORE. Strong thank you for what you're doing!
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] rel_s:
Man your kernel is insane. Didn't touch anything for now. Using it with greenify and aggressive doze. Running FreedomOS 4.0.2 with your latest r7
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
I guess you also miss a lot of notifications with those settings.. When I had my phone in battery saving and flight mode this night it was on 70% for 8 hours.

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
I don't understand what's the problem with notifications? (Nothing against you really, just trying to help).. I am using Naptime and whitelist notifications I need like Telegram & Exchange (Nine) and never missed a single notification.. and get crazy good battery life.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] rel_s:
Only from apps that I don't mind missing. Actually the only app that I need to function in real time is whatsapp. All others I enter them when I choose.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
Hehe, well when I was on OPO and COS with Android 6.x I did Greenify and some other app that disabled some setting for location.

Many times I missed notifications or the phone lost track of history location and stuff like that.

On Nougat I thought that doze should work crazy well and disabled Greenify.

I'm just getting sad when I miss notifications, and think for my self that it's really not hard to save battery if stuff just turn of functions that makes Android great.

Now when I had Greenify disabled and still missed Facebook messenger notifications, and the only new stuff was this kernel, I thought it could be that.

But also, I hade the OP aggressive mode enabled, and it might be that option that caused I missed the notifications, even though I didn't noticed it before.

/Söder

---------- Post added at 01:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:17 PM ----------

But, "don't mind missing" sounds like it's not that you had a chance to say what to miss and not. ;)

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] rel_s:
Actually I do. I can enter all of them to white list in the phone settings and greenify settings. I CHOOSE not to because I really don't care about the. For example I don't mind not getting Facebook or messenger notifications just because I manually enter once in an hour or so. So it can sync while I'm there. And again it goes to all of the apps that I already use every hour
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
Are you on OOS 4.0.2? And "white list in the phone" is that in the aggressive mode settings you do that? Or only in Greenify?

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] rel_s:
Aggressive mode settings + battery optimization in settings + greenify and all the relevant features
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
The battery optimization, when does it mean that it will go in "deep sleep". When checked or not?

And, doesn't the system and Greenify do the same thing?

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
There are no implications, but there's literally no real performance gain in using those higher clocks, and there's a chance you'll run into a hard crash during sustained load.

Don't see how that's Kernel related.

Re-flash r7, I uploaded a newer one ~23 hours ago.

No.

I haven't updated the free app in a while that's why it says that.

:highfive:

:good:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
It means those apps are able to bypass doze.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
That's mean they should all be checked?

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] pahapoika91:
I have to admit that you have done amazing kernel Franco!

Thank you, and sorry for being sceptic.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
Optimized -> they function normally and doze dictates the rules

Not optimized -> those apps will be able to bypass doze if they require to wake up the phone or something
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
And it's not possible to Not optimize system apps? I thought that I would try to doing this without Greenify...

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] l0veysingh:
i m at freedom os and ElementalX kernel...Now i want to flash this kernel..what should i do now?

if i have to flash oos kernel first then please give the link
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
I think you're overcomplicating this a little bit... just leave it alone, Google's apps work properly with doze, if they need server-client connections they just use GCM.

That's not how things work here. You gotta make some sort of effort.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
Well, I missed stuff I didn't want to miss, and got flashbacks to when I tried apps that should do great stuff for my battery time, but it also got better because the phone just slept all the time until I woke it up.

I'm happy it's sleeping, but I do want it at least open one eye and tell me something happened. ;)

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] amandeepsaini11:
U have to dirty flash freedom os then flash fk, if u flash on ElementalX kernel, it will not boot....
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] :
Hi, I want to stay as close to stock as possible without root, while using your kernel. Can I unlock the bootloader, flash the kernel and lock the bootloader ? Will that work ? ... One last question, only the twrp zip for kernel is available or is there any boot image something to flash it from bootloader mode ?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] santakiller12:
Franco, on one plus 3t they forced us to use switcher to get to 0 sound, it's impossible to switch volume down to 0%, is it possible to bypass that with your kernel or its not on kernels side? Sorry if the question may sound stupid to you? Here is the post on reddit about it

https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5lbz56/ring_volume_wont_mute_after_nougat_update/

Could you please help on this?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] chaos_alex:
Guys I'm the only one who doesn't have auto night shift working? When the set time is reached, only If I open the app, the auto night shift trigger. No greenify, no force doze or other fancy app.

Using FKU $ version.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
I really don't understand how some of you gets 2 days out of your Android phones.

I've done some Tapatalk, WhatsApp, Instagram and video recording. Normal everyday stuff. I can be glad if I got battery left when it's time for bed.

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
With Android system first on the list there is something seriously wrong with your ROM/APP setup.

Clean install 4.0.2 and flash FK.. download apps and don't restore anything. Just waste some of your time setting your phone and enjoy great battery life :)
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
I can't waste more time on my phone then I already do. Can't "install" all of my apps, I need Titanium for that.

Been on Android for many years and sometime the battery is OK, but just like you said, that Android system goes up. What the hell is that?

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
NIplock? Again...

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] zanderswigan:
Hi I'm sorry if this has been answered before but I can't seem to find it in the forum's. Am i able to root with the toolkit running the open beta 2. Bootloader is locked the phone is completely stock bar a clean install of open beta via PC using cmd.

I want to install TWRP and flash ressurection remix to try it out, if I don't like it stay on beta but rooted with closed. Can anyone tell me if I'm ok to do that? Thanks in advance
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
Yes and yes.

I don't see how that's Kernel related.

Night shift works for me. I have some improvements coming for FKUpdater 2.2.

That's just a wakelock related to location and geofencing, all userspace, not Kernel related.

This isn't a tech support forum, nor is it even related to my thread what-so-ever.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] zanderswigan:
Posted that in the wrong thread. My mistake.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
Pushed r8 with a couple fixes.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Chuck Bartowski:
Is led control supported? FKUpdater has no led options, I like to set the notifications "always on".

Thanks.

P.S. Updated to r8 from FKUpdater without a changelog, I have done a leap of faith :)
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
The Kernel has that feature, but I haven't yet added it to the app. On my to-do list though.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] mrblackthorne:
Flashed r8, scrolling on certain apps isn't as smooth as before (Facebook, Instagram, Gallery). Not sure if related.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
Before what? There are no changes what-so-ever to CPU frequencies or scaling etc.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] mrblackthorne:
On r7.

Edit: wiped dalvik cache and seems to be as smooth as before.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
100% placebo, that does nothing.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] cheeziz:
Hi boss, so I don't have to wipe dalvik cache and cache after updating kernel?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Air-真心为你:
Hi I want to keep official OTA and non-root. Is there anyway to install this kernel other than installing via TWRP recovery?Thx in advance:D
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Joloxx9:
No

Wysłane z mojego ONEPLUS A3003 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
No.

Nope. But you can boot the custom recovery instead of flashing (and then flash the Kernel zip), and you don't need root to flash the Kernel.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Air-真心为你:
Thanks I'll try. Actually I used to be a crazy flasher. But recently I'm tired of it. Maybe I'm too old :D
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Haunt3r:
Edit:problem resolved itself. :)
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] yaymalaga:
Hey! What do you think about this post (https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3/how-to/advanced-interactive-governor-tweaks-t3476589)?

Something interesting to add to, for example, the power-saving profile? (I know it's not for 821, but maybe it can help)
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
How well does you own app Naptime work with the built in aggressive mode? Should something be turned of to use your app, or should I just don't use your app? :)

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Vekhez:
Was having trouble before, but I figured it was just something on my end and left it, but I just reflashed (formatted /system, /cache, /data (not /data without /data/media) and Dalvik) and then reflashed r8, and still cannot use Android Pay, reports that my phone is "rooted, has an unlocked bootloader, or is running a custom ROM". Is the unlocked bootloader patch still included in the kernel?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
You have Magisk 10.2 with superuser (not SuperSU) and have enabled Magisk hide?

Works fine over here, if you are rooted any other way you should find a solution in correct thread, not kernel related.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Vekhez:
Like I said

Literally have an unlocked bootloader, TWRP 3.0.3-1, and r8 and Open Beta 2, and get the failed message.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
Sorry, didn't have my morning coffee yet lol so didn't read your post correctly.

Thought you are rooted.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] castaway1:
i used "restore and backup" function in payd FKUP app and now, cant boot " failed to unmount /system " in TWRP. White led if i try to boot. reflash kernel dont fix this.

EDIT: nevermind fixed by reflashing ROM
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] diziox72:
First try on kernel R6, sot 7.5 Hours, 50 Hours uptime.. Now second battery charge with R8 flashed And already 78% And 1 hour sot :rolleyes::confused:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Evolution101:
Kernel does not make that much of a difference. It's your app usage.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] diziox72:
Its same as before.. And im not playing games like before..
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] :
should I leave the scheduler at cfq and 128 or should I change to a different one/512?

Also, thanks for the kernel-

Lost 1% overnight (8 hours) with r8. Wifi and data on.

right now testing configuration with screen brightness at 50% and greenify for most non needed except whatsapp facbook and messenger and got 40min for 10% battery. will continue testing but right now looks good taking the usage into account.

EDIT: Also wanted to add that I had a huge amount of wakelocks from google services(250+ on bbs) and after disabling Location History on the device they disappeared. I guess it's for the best as there's no reason for Google to save my location 24/7 :P

EDIT2: Oh and a question regarding the background apps. I know we have 6 GB of RAM but increasing from 32 to 60 apps will cause more battery drain right?

I don't think I need 60 apps running in the background, so in case it does mean more battery drain- can I change that?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] foxsprout:
Just use until it reached 1 or 2% and see what SOT you got. You still have more than 3/4 battery
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tinuz97:
Everything working great here with #r8, using freedom os 1.2, upgraded from #r7. Bluetooth, WiFi everything working great. Thx for the update.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
I don't really care about that thread, so I'll make no comments.

What do you mean with "how well"? It just turns off sensors to prevent doze from turning off if the phone detects motion...

Nothing wrong with the Kernel. Patch is included and I don't touch /system.

Yes, so? Things change, signal strength, etc... do you take a dump every day at the same hour, minute and second? Or do you always eat or breathe on the exact same time every day? No. The only way to get the same battery life everyday is in a controlled lab environment.

Oh yes it does.

Don't touch IO scheduler stuff, it's mostly pointless.

No, more apps in the background won't drain your battery. They are simply cached in memory, not actually running.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] diziox72:
Yep, thanks for the advice :svetius:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] :
alright, thanks for the respond:good:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] foxsprout:
It's not even an advice
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] soder:
Does it just turn of sensors? There's a lot of other options isn't there?

/Söder
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Elpatii:
Ok, let's try FK on the OnePlus 3T :D
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] sharath_babu:
What he meant is ,should we disable built-in aggressive doze n use naptime OR use both agressive doze and naptime simultaneously for good battery?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] hsdyhno1:
Night shift turn on automatically but can't turn off until reboot, anyone same as me?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
Maybe :) I noticed it this morning, but installed r8 and it was gone. Now rocking HTC 10, will test when I come home.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] hsdyhno1:
Reflashed r8 with Fkupdater 2.2 b5, also wiped dalvik and cache in twrp, nothing change.

Btw:night shift notification toggle seems doesn't work.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
Oh..

And I just tested it on b5 and r8 and it works fine

:eek:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] darkren:
sorry if this is a stupid Q but can i dirty flash fk8?

over fk7
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
Yes.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] darkren:
thankyou sir:victory:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Duncan1982:
Nothing stranger than what works for some, but not others, I honestly thought reflashing was the cure (working for me obviously) but not for knpk13.

But again perhaps my environment was just that bit more friendly....? Again using MultiRom may have helped in some strange way....
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
I called on the big horses for help and I got [MENTION=4544860]osm0sis[/MENTION] to save my arse and point me I made a mistake in the wlan module symlinks. Compiling again for re-upload.

(yeah this guy is a beast).
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] knpk13:
Ya that's so weird. Like AOOP-test5 seems to work with multirom (as [MENTION=3946657]xanthrax[/MENTION] reported), but when I used official TWRP to flash it, I lost ALL data and it didn't boot.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Duncan1982:
Strange that if the mistake (it happens is there) then why does it work for me (just got me head scratching lol Are you using MultiRom Fransisco?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] justibasa:
I'm not having any issues either. Seems to be running perfectly.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] pvillasuso:
Maybe it would be a good idea to remove temporally the download link , until you can rebuild an updated version of your magic ?

Cause later there are gonna be a lot of members coming here when they find about this thread for sure :D

just saying ...

I can restore an old backup , reproduce conditions and test with the coming version , but tomorrow !

11:02pm here in Costa Rica , bed time , thanks for everything !
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
OK zip has been re-uploaded, should work fine now. Also returned to stock F2FS for now.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tzmz0r:
Hey Franco,

Have you noticed the touchscreen latency issues? Have you made any tweaks on the touchscreen in general?:)
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] liver20:
Thanks for stay here

Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A3003 mediante Tapatalk
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] btouareg:
I didn't have any problems since beginning, Do I have to install the new update (fixed file) or i stick with what I have ?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] woundman:
Cache F2FS Support?

Does formatting Cache to F2FS work with this kernel? Thank you!
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] TheSaboteurr:
I just flashed the new zip with twrp but I also have the wifi problem. Looks like this:
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] uncle_gonny:
Hey, Amazing job! Wi-Fi working and everything... Just one thing: as I try to turn on Wi-Fi, it gets freaky! :p it turns on and off again for a while till it disables itself, after that i can turn it on and it works.

Logs attached.

FYI: it happens even with xposed disabled. If it's in anyway related then don't mind this post.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] alvin182:
Glad to see you here again Franco i know you since Nexus 4 times!

Welcome to the family!
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tonyeltriton:
Where can i change RGB values with FKU 2?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] DesertVelo:
There is a multitude of color options to modify under Display Control option. You can access by sliding from the left side of FKU then RGB adjustments.

Sent from the singletrack...
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Joloxx9:
So has wifi been fixed or not?

Wysłane z mojego ONEPLUS A3003 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] satand:
what do I have to flash in twrp if i'm coming from OOS 3.5.3 with bluespark kernel?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Joloxx9:
Thats good question, I dont know is boot.img enough?

Wysłane z mojego ONEPLUS A3003 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] tonyeltriton:
Cant find that option by sliding from the left side.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] Aburel18:
Yes I got that legendary battery mate , thank you so much I just pressed the thanks button , I am just wondering how I can access that what you send at number two like sound interface screen interface I mean the goodies bag of this kernel do I need to install an app or something like kernel auditor ? Please can someone can help me ?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
Yes the app

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.franco.kernel
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] hsdyhno1:
i use magisk and phh superuser to root, maybe someting wrong with it?

can you tell me what root method you use?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
Aggressive doze just turns off the sensors.

I don't know what One Plus has done there, so I can't comment.

Can't reproduce.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] vl.xl:
Same method M10.2 and phhsu.

The only time I noticed it was this morning that it stayed in nightmode and I assumed it had something to do with updating to b5 from b4 and as I flashed r8 I forgot about it until you mentioned :)

Edit: Tested once again set it from 19:00 -19:10 and all working as expected.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] hsdyhno1:
wierd, after it stuck in night mode ,i turn on and off system in-build night mode then screen back to normal, if i enable night shift again then i stuck again. even dirty flashed rom and back to fkupdater 2.1.7 :(
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] :
First of all like I said earlier today the battery life right now is excellent. still testing a full cycle but currently at around 3 sot with less then 40% battery gone..

However I'm still trying to sort out my wakelocks.

Now after fixing the Google services (with disabling location history) I'm getting a decent amount of wakelocks from Android/wifi. Is this normal? If not , anyone has any idea why?
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] mrblackthorne:
:eek: well, maybe it was something else.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] franciscofranco:
That looks like it's part of WiFi background scanning. Not Kernel related.

No, it's as smooth as before, I didn't change a thing.
[OnePlus 3T ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Deve] dante_67:
I am very sorry for a very noob and probably ot question, which recovery is only for booting and not flashing, because I think I could only flash twrp not boot it from storage and loading it from ram only, sorry for being a noob