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[General Topics] ginloin:
P996 - I can't tell you about the 9502 specifically, as I have an 8502, but it uses the same processor. Video is important to me too and I was unable to get any definite feedback before buying mine either. With the 8502 video playback is ok, and from what I've read, better than the TYTN II. BUT...and this is the thing, the 8502 is only QVGA and so are the videos I'm playing. And even then, it wasn't great to begin with, until I freed up some RAM. By freeing up a whole lot of memory (about another 10MB or so - I removed the imate service as suggested above when I first got it, and that worked fine and freed up heaps of RAM), it's pretty smooth using TCPMP, but I tried playing a video in full VGA res (even though it was only displaying in QVGA) and it was terrible! Unwatchable, completely jerky and stuttery. It just couldn't render it fast enough. This is still important for the 8502 because it has VGA video out. The box itself says 'Your mobile television - View your photos, videos, emails and the internet on the big screen of your television'. So I would still want to store VGA quality video and play them on the TV. Who wants to watch video on the big screen at 320x240?! But this won't be possible (and without SDHC support you couldn't store many videos anyway! But that's another matter...)

I have read posts elsewhere from a couple of other 9502 users who have said it isn't good but again, can't confirm that for sure. So kinda weird the 9502 has a VGA screen, is touted as a video player, yet most likely can't play VGA quality video! Same with the 8502 - VGA video on the big screen...at 320x240! Yay... :-( So I don't think there's any chance of just being able to drag native DivX files on and watching them seamlessly. You'd have to do some kind of conversion process I'd reckon. For me, it is converting them to 320x240. To retain VGA resolution, I reckon the only hope would be to reduce the sample rate or some other quality factor significantly, but then what's the point of having VGA video?

And to the person that said there is a second more stable sdhc patch, any chance you could respond to everyone that has been asking what and where? I've tried a few patches but have had all the same problems - wifi locking up, card dropping out, etc. Hadn't heard of any stable resolution to this yet but if there is one, we'd all love to know about it.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I have this device. It is very snappy - probably the quickest WM device I have used navigating around the OS.

Battery seems ok, although I haven't stopped playing with it for long enough to fairly test so far :P

As for video - This thing doesn't yet take SDHC, and I'm not buying a regular 2gb microSD card out of impatience, so I haven't had chance to test properly. I did try a couple of music videos on it that my Sony Ericsson P990 managed fine, and the 9502 REALLY struggles to upscale them to fullscreen. Weirdly, they work a lot better in WMP than in Coreplayer.

They also seem to work better on my TV than on the 9502 display.

I'll give it another try with the 10mb trick later.
[General Topics] schriss:
It appears 9502 does use hardware acceleration, drivers are there (probably it's ahi2dati.dll), Coreplayer just needs to start using them.

As far as I have seen, WMP does use hardware, that's why it plays so fast.

It appears TyTNII doesn't have drivers for ATI. Not sure if it will be possible to just cook files in the ROM and enable hardware acceleration, remember GPS on TyTN? Was not possible to enable, despite the cact it was builtin.
[General Topics] frag999:
Has somebody posted SPB graphics benchmarks for the 9502? Everybody got excited when the HTC Sedna was benchmarked a few weeks ago and it slaughtered the Kaiser in particular with the graphics test titled "DDB BitBlt". See http://www.todosmartphone.com/Revis...tos-Videos-y-Tests-Benchmark-notice-87P4.html or http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=381254 for details. Of course this test result could not be replicated on retail versions of the Sedna. The test on the Sedna and Kaiser was conducted at QVGA - I don't know if this will complicate the comparison due to the native higher resolution of the 9502. Is it possible to reduce the screen resolution of the 9502 before testing?
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I tried the benchmark thing, and it managed my 320 x 240 23fps music vid at 23% speed. I think maybe I'm doing it wrong - at least I hope so. As I said, WMP works MUCH better than Coreplayer.

If someone links me to a smallish video (I only have about 25mb free space) and some basic instructions I will do a benchmark.
[General Topics] frag999:
Would you be willing to do the SPB benchmarks and post your "DDB BitBlt" results? The results of a potentially graphics accelerated HTC Sedna was reported to achieve a score greater than 10x faster than a HTC Kaiser in this test. It was a night and day result. The benchmark is free for personal use:

http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/download.php?en#personal
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Done. SPB Benchmark Graphics results attached. I don't really understand them, so if anyone could let me know how good/bad they are it'd be nice.
[General Topics] frag999:
My interpretation is that they don't look all that great. Perhaps the VGA screen on your 9502 is throwing off the results? I am going to attach some images that I took from another thread that illustrates the difference between the Kaiser and HTC Sedna. It also has some references to older devices that will allow a comparison to the results that you posted in the table:
[General Topics] sx1-doc:
take a look at this ,somehow i think vga use alote of the 9502 power.

this is benchmark of my asus p525 with turbo at 416 mhz ,std 312 mhz and power saver at 208 mhz and without any graphic power enhancer.

please try vsbenchmark http://vsbench.virtualspaghetti.com/

and post results
[General Topics] goranicus:
It seems I am lucky, I have received a email today with the info that the 9502 has been dispatched.

No tracking nummber :( , but I hope it will go well and arrive untill next weekend.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
OK, so I understand that the terrible performance of this (and the Kaiser) is due to not implementing qualcomm graphics drivers. My question is, how will this be remedied?

Like, are we simply waiting for HTC/i-Mate to implement it, or are they waiting for something from Qualcomm before they can build their firmware around it.

I guess my real question is, can I expect this to be remedied in a ROM update any time soon? I know i-Mate will be releasing one because it has been confirmed that they will be shortly releasing SDHC support.

Or is it down to the individual software companies to implement it? Like, could say Coreplayer release a new version that properly utilises the qualcomm processor regardless of which ROM/phone you're using?
[General Topics] mike freegan:
*Just whilst I'm here, I took my phone off charge at 11am. I have spent approx 10 mins using wifi, sent 10 sms, made 10 minutes calls, played 3 minutes video, listened to 6 minutes MP3 and used bluetooth file transfer for 7 minutes.

Battery is on 75% at 4am. Not bad at alll!
[General Topics] notisz:
Due to the lack of support from xda's site i sold my sedna and bought an ultimate 9502...i will have it my hands in 2 or three days..lets see what this baby has to show
[General Topics] P996:
Got mine too today, first impression is very good, the display is a treat but unfortunately it is transmissive and not transflective, meaning that I'm going to have trouble using this baby under the bright sun. :(

Can't confirm the "snappy" operation of the device out of the box. Compared to a HTC TyTN II modded with Dutty's latest WM 6.1 ROM, the 9502 is really slow.

More to come after I benchmark the 9502.

Btw: does somebody have(or know) a good WM6 BLACK theme which also works with the 9502? Thanks.
[General Topics] netnerd:
is it easy to cook wm6.1? some1 should cook wm6.1 for 9502 so i have something new to play with! haha
[General Topics] netnerd:
can some1 make a GPS icon? sometime i forgot to turn off GPS.

update: never mind about the gps icon. when gpsgate is green, then i'll know i forgot to turn off gps
[General Topics] netnerd:
I have no problems seeing in direct sunlight, infact I writing this on direct sunlight using full brightness on 9502. maybe it' your screen protector cover? I don't use no screen cover! haha
[General Topics] schriss:
My Keyboard Backlight stopped working. I have seen somebody else reporting this too - maybe it's 9502 common hardware problem.

If I press Del key harder, backlight turns on, goes off as soon as I release the key.
[General Topics] P996:
You must be kidding, right?! I'm not using any screen protector cover.

The 9502 has a transmissive display, you can't see much in direct sunlight unless of course the sun doesn't shine directly onto your display. ;)

Another problem are fingerprints in direct sunlight.

The P6500 is a completely different beast regarding outdoor usage, the colours look dull(even without sun) but you can read everything perfectly and what is even more impressive is that it seems that the display has some sort of anti-fingerprint treatment since fingerprints are hardly visible.

Try the iPhone in direct sunlight, you'll be impressed. The Nokia N95 8GB and the Nokia E90 are also very good in direct sunlight, the colours look washed-out but even with polarized sunglasses you can read anything on the display.

I have high hopes for the new Sony Ericsson X1, one of their engineers made an interesting statement, saying that the X1 is only build by HTC but SE did the development part, making sure that people understand that the X1 is special(better than the "usual" HTC devices ;) ). I hope he is right.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
This is terrible news :( I was hoping to get the X1 as my next device. WM software with SE build quality sounded perfect.

Now it sounds like the complete opposite. We can expect HTC's terrible quality hardware(plasticy finish, flaking paint, loosening slide mechanisms, poor battery life anyone?) with Sony Ericsson buggering up the software. Despite originally being a £400 device, my P990 STILL has dreadful memory leaks despite several updates, and SE eventually abandoned its P990 users. I really hope you're wrong :(
[General Topics] P996:
Why terrible news(btw: it IS a fact that the X1 is manufactured by HTC for SE), this is actually good news. I remember when I held my first Palm Treo 750 in my hands, I couldn't believe that this GOOD device was made by HTC. Completely different quality impression/feel by that time.

Again: HTC is only manufacturing (with SE specs) the X1, they apparently didn't have any saying in hardware developing. I think this is good news, at least I hope so.

A little update regarding the i-mate 9502:

1. I deactivated(using SKTools) the i-service link (autostart). This added aprox. 4-5 MB more RAM but you loose the i-Q tools(which isn't really a problem unless you worry about loosing your 9502). Surprisingly, removing this background service apparently also improved video playback performance.

2. I installed The Core Media player 0.81 instead of 0.72 and video playback seems to run smoothly now but I tried only a 190 MB Divx file for this purpose. Anyway: it is better than it is on the TyTN II now but I can't say if it is MUCH better, I need to try the larger video file tonight.

3. after de-activating the i-Q service, I usually have 32 to 37 MB RAM free for my applications, the worst RAM killer is Worldmate, it eats up to 13 MB and more, what a shame. You always need to make sure that you CLOSE such applications to free up RAM, some sort of "automatic" utility(I think the Asus P750 has one, maybe it works with the 9502) would have been nice.

4. 3G reception seems to be slightly better than on the HTC TyTN II

5. audio phone quality is good, definetely better than it is on the Asus P750 or P6500

6. ringtone is sufficiently loud and covering the loudspeaker hardly tones down loudness(good when the 9502 is sitting in it's belt holster), vibration alarm very strong, good thing for business users

7. battery life doesn't seem to be great, I removed my 9502 at around 9 am from the charger and now at 4 pm, I have around 60% charge left. I didn't make too many calls, WiFi was turned off all the time, just five minutes of GPS usage for Google Maps testing

8. satellite reception is good, not as good as on the P6500 or a WM device with SirfIII chipset but definetely not bad. You need to wait for the first "sat fix" which may take a couple of minutes but after that, it works just fine. Before you use Google Maps, make sure you get a first satellite fix, otherwise Google Maps may show a message that the 9502 isn't compatible with the "my location" function. It IS, it works but you need to activate GPS and have a first satellite fix first.

9. camera picture quality is, under good light conditions but even indoors, pretty good for a WM device and definetely better than the quality you get from the TyTN II or P6500. The camera isn't suitable for real snapshots of moving objects but definetely not bad at all. It feels "snappier" than other WM6 devices with 3MP cameras when it comes to focusing and taking the picture and taking pictures in almost completel darkness also works better due to the LED light supplied.

So far I'm getting used to the 9502 but it isn't THE wonder WM device I had hoped for.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I feel a little ripped off by I-Mate TBH. The 9502 is sold as an MSM7200 device, but doesn't use the MSM7200's video capabilities. It's a bit like being sold a dual core PC, getting it home and finding that only one of the processors works. Unacceptable.

I can't see it getting fixed either. i-Mate are clearly in a bit of trouble financially, so I don't think they'll have the money or resources to invest in developing the video drivers.

I still haven't managed to get a VGA video file to play, even at really low bitrates.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I removed services.ink from the startup folder. Instantly gives 10mb more ram. I also removed the i-mate dialer in the registry. The standard WM onne is much more finger friendly. You can always install the e-ten VGA dialler if you ened bigger still.

The narrow up click arrow is annoying as hell, but I use the scroll wheel anyway, so not too bothersome for me.

Storage memory isn't a problem for me - i-mate have confirmed SDHC support in the near future, and that is cheap as chips.

I did some reading on the coreplayer forum today. Looks like the video drivers are there. Some guy apparently managed to get 1500kbps playback, but only using the standard Windows Media Player, not Coreplayer as that doesn't officially support Qualcomm chips yet. I haven't managed to replicate his results yet, although I have managed reasonable quality VGA playback with DivX :)
[General Topics] Toast Rack:
Google Maps - My Location with GPS off

Is anybody able to use the "My Location" feature of Google Maps on the 8502 or 9502 with GPS turned off?

For me I just get the error message "Your handset doesn't seem to be compatible with My Location (Beta) feature".

On my old phone (Mio A701 - WM5) it would get an approximate fix from the nearest phone cell tower when you press "0" (zero) or tap Menu/My Location, with GPS turned off. GPS works fine with it, but sometimes I just want a quick approximate fix from the cell network without turning GPS on.

But then again, I'm using the Telstra version of the 8502 - have they disabled it, or is the phone natively incompatible with the feature?
[General Topics] icecoldcat:
Any ROMs Out There For i-Mate Ultimate 9502

Hey Guys,

Is there a ROM avaliable for the i-Mate Ultimate 9502?

I previously had an i-Mate JasJam & loved Schap's ROMs

The software that comes with the 9502 is no where near as good...

Anyone got any ideas?

Cat...
[General Topics] netnerd:
it doesnt work on 3G, set phone to GSM if u want to use my location. also people complaining imate getting 1st gps fix takes to long, set it to GSM! after that u can switch back to 3G
[General Topics] tommymunch:
Sorry yndor,

You are right. I only have OS 6.0. Don't know where I saw 6.1.
[General Topics] P996:
6.1 for the 9502 would be great, maybe i-mate is clever enough to deliver a 6.1 ROM update inc. bugfixes instead of updating 6.0 only.

Btw: my i780 which I got more than two months ago has a newer WM6 version than the one installed on the 9502. Strange.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
The I-Mate was delayed heavily. It was probably the most up to date version when it was originally set for market. Still, you'd have thought they'd have spent that time making a new ROM :S
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Hey guys. So as much as I love my 9502, the video playback is doing my head in! It plays back qvga video pretty well, but the VGA screen makes it look crappy, and it can't deal with VGA video at all.

It appears that the video drivers are there, but not doing anything :S

I'm going to email i-mate and ask whether this will be improved in the new ROM, and make it clear that SDHC support is very important to users. I guess if a lot of people do this then I-Mate might get their arses in gear and do this properly. I am going to make sure that I mention that a lot of people are holding off buying the device based solely on these issues.

Emai: uksupport@imate.com

**This is my email

Hi I-Mate,

Firstly, congratulations on making a brilliant phone. I get it out of my pocket and I'm always surrounded by people who want to know what it is (a lot of my friends use Sidekicks and are mesmorised by it!). Other than a slight memory leak from the camera software, it's really impressive for a first ROM.

I'm just emailing to confirm a couple of issues - Firstly, will there be a SDHC patch released? This is obviously a massive concern, as the current 2gb max storage is completely insufficent. GPS software alone uses around 1gb, leaving very little space for music, photos and video.

Secondly a lot of people are concerned about the dreadful video playback. I can't get my VGA device to play back VGA resolution video at all, which for a £400 device is unacceptable. One of the main reasons people were interested in the 9502 is as a portable media device thanks to TV connectivity. Everyone was really excied for a device on which we could throw a VGA resolution movies, take to a friend's house and watch on the TV. Now I find that it can't play back movies at anything like the quality of other VGA devices, and even if it could, I don't have enough storage memory to save them!

I'm not sure if this is because of the same video driver issue as the HTC Tytn 2, as people on forums think they have found the video driver DLL in the 9502's file system, but it's a problem that is creating a concensus that the 9502 is not worth buying! It's a shame because other than this, the 9502 is perfect, but without these issues resolved, I couldn't recommend the 9502 to anyone, and it is receiving a lot of bad publicity on the internet from other users with the same opinion. With such a niche market, I'm sure that addressing these issues promptly is a priority for I-mate, especially with the Sony Ericsson X1's release date looming.

Could possibly confirm whether these issues are to be addrssed, and within what timeframe? I honestly think that remedying these problems would dramatically boost sales of the device, simply because it would attract so many annoyed HTC Tytn II users.

Kind regards,

Michael Booth**
[General Topics] kipmast:
Imate Experience

I picked up my 9502 the other day and have to say I'm a little disappointed. The device has alot of potential and the idea of the slide out keyboard/VGA display is what sold me on this. My main issue though was the Keyboard. Was it my unit or do they all have that "Clacking" wobbly/springy action? It was pathetic. The slider action was so soft sprung it was like having a blown shock! I have to admit, I ASSumed it would be a firm slider style similar to the Nokia N95 8GB I have. Wrong! The all aluminum housing is nice but I think I would rather see a lighter shell similar to the HTC soft coatings on most of their devices. I suppose you could get a silicone case for that (if they even make one). The OS worked pretty good and seemed quick. I even disabled the Imate security programs that came with it to free up more memory. No issues there. All in all I returned it due to the fact this was a very expensive phone that I was not 100% happy with. Now the 8502 was another option until I saw it only had a 2megapixel camera?? Cmon Imate get with the times, If your even going to go have camera functionality added to the device, please go no lower than 3+ Megapixel or forget it. Just my personal input.;)
[General Topics] mackaby007:
sorry to hear your dissapointed with your 9502. I got me 6150 and whilst I must admit that the ROM leaves much to be desired, it also has a lot of potential. Fir t thing need

d is a working patch to give us all the SDHC compatiBility these devices so desperately need, and a more stable ROM. That said though, I think these devices will become killer devices once theses issues have been resolved by i-mate.
[General Topics] kipmast:
Yeah, Im trying to part with HTC myself. The other thing I failed to mention was the SDHC what gives? that should be a standard these days. this is another thing I assumed they would have standard.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I keep hearing this about the slider. I really like it! In fact I like everything about this device except the SDHC and video driver issues. Please, if you have it (or even if you don't :P) email I-Mate and let them know that you want them. Until the new E-Tens or the Xperia X1 come out this is the only deivce that really meets my needs, and its a shame to have it tarnished by these minor issues.
[General Topics] kipmast:
Sorry to tarnish the 9502 but the sliding keyboard was really bad. In fact there was about 1/8" of lateral wobble when closed. An example on how loose it was= If I shook my hand, I could open the keyboard (along with hearing the metallic "Clack") To me this was pretty bad.

I will let Imate know. The rest of the device is fine and still is desirable (that's why I bought it in the first place) If my unit was just a one-off defect I would be open to getting another one for sure...:)
[General Topics] netnerd:
u wont believe how many Imate bashing going on! if 9502 has a HTC stamp on it, htc fanboys is all over this thing!

look at HTC diamond, htc fanboys is all over it! pumping and hyping about HTC diamond! HTC diamond got 2.8" VGA! wow!

Eten and Imate have 2.8" VGA for almost half a year! where is the hypes on Imate? haha
[General Topics] kipmast:
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Regarding HTC Fanboys: As far as my rants go concerning the 9502 I have nothing positive to say about HTC these days. They totally blew my loyalty when they decided not to do anything about the TyTnII/Cruise Video Driver saga. I understand why they chose not to do anything but I don't agree with it. By not purchasing any more HTC products is my way of saying "Take a Hike". Imate on the other hand has alot of potential. I can't say they are better than HTC or not. Their will always be something to complain about though, in any Brand/Model of device. Our devices have come so far in advancement we just want it all and want it right now. Especially for the prices we are paying.:D
[General Topics] maevro:
For me, the keyboard is too cramped. On the 8502, the keyboard design is a major flaw too.