yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
It's not about the actual lawsuit, it's about getting the publicity for it. That is what will push them over much faster than a lawsuit itself.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nekrofio:
Well then advertise this is the only way. Publicity won't come on it's own...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Lets completely finish the site first, shall we? :) After that we will advertise.

EDIT: Note I will open a paypal account for people to donate money to spend on adwords

EDIT #2: For lawsuit donation pledges and donations for an adwords compaign, please see the topic below

Also see this topic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nekrofio:
That's really cool let's hope we make big enough waves:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] punkcell:
put me down for $10
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ayoo456:
i'm down

please gods of the kaiser...i'm willing to put up $15
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
That is not how class action lawsuits work. Lawyers usually do them pro-bono and then take most of the award. Class action lawsuits are to send a message, but everyone involved might end up getting $10 or something from HTC if they send in a proof of purchase (or other requirements).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nekrofio:
HAHAHAHAH yeah in a perfect world that would probably work, but in this one... I really doubt it.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chaugi:
I'm ready to give $20
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bronx31:
A couple of more sites reporting us:

http://mobilitytoday.com/news/HTC_Driver_Problem.html

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/17/htc_chipset_anger/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tylernieforth:
I can't believe that this issue has gone on as long as it has. The Kaiser is a beautiful piece of work and these drivers would make it tops in my book.

I'll offer all I can at the time being: $10

Good luck to all those working on it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kepela523:
Just exactly how powerful can this phone really be?? Will this phone be able to run SNES games smoothly with the video driver fix?? with sound or with out sound??

I compare this phone specs to some of the greater PPC such as the Axim and the HP Ipaq, and this one seems more powerful because of the 128mb ram..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
AFAIK the most powerful device currently is stil Dell Axim X51v. Qualcomm MSM7200 should theoretically be more powerful than Intel's graphic chip included in X51v. "I hope I have answered your question in detail." :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jeroenjohanzwarts@hotmail:
put me down for 50 euro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kepela523:
So in theory the Kaiser is more powerful, thank you Omikr0n.. You have answered my question. I am really looking foward to this Video driver.

Well, the only thing that makes me wonder is why do they sell this Phone for so cheap compared to PPC's?? which this gives you a phone and GPS too. You can grab this phone for as low as $200 and ive even heard $99.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
Cheap? :eek: You are lucky to live in USA then. I have spent my average monthly earnings on mine. Almost $1000.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
From what I have read hardware acceleration in SNES emulators doesn't really help speed ut, it just helps with filtering to make the image quality look a bit better.

The main problem with SNES is the sound and a video driver won't help there.

Of course if the GDI driver is really running in software then running it in hardware should make some more precious CPU cycles free that could handle the sound instead.

I dunno, hard to tell with any kind of certainty. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stmasi:
Whoa! I'd like to know where you are able to get this phone for such a low price as well! I just picked one up yesterday out of Hong Kong for 5820.48 HKD ($745.53 US). I would've killed for being able to pay just half that.

:eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Marky19760:
Driver

I would be pay 50$ for drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kepela523:
Wow mate... I would be furious if i spent that much money on a device that isnt even fully functional.. I can see why people here want to put law suits and what not.

I spent $250 on mine with a new contract, i had $150 rebate on mine..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jeroenjohanzwarts@hotmail:
my phone was 680 euro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
Put me down for $50 for someone to be able to do what the freakin useless tools at HTC have been unable to do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kevinniven:
Lets go after HTC!

:mad:I would be willing to put up more money if we end up hitting HTC with a class action!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] reitjam:
am i the only one with out the problem

i, for some reason am not having the video problem. i would like to have my device preform better, but i do not see this problem. am i insane, i have tried scrolling and video playback.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] earistomene:
I pledge $21
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hesh:
I'll pledge $25.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] se0siris:
Put me down for $25. It seems to be the bounty that a lot of the media coverage is writing about, so anything we can do to get a higher number and more attention is good :).

(that, and anyone who's able to supply a fix deserves a big wad of cash)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
This bounty is indeed a part of what is covered in the media right now. Though what we're trying to accomplish is getting HTC to deliver these drivers themselves :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dalim:
I saw this from wikipedia.

add me for $30
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
I hate to sound all Negative but if someone were to somehow fix our problems.. i just dont see everyone forking over a total sum of 4000+
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fjmora992000:
I'm anxious and desperate to make this the ultimate pda/phone, so put me down for $50 US. I'm pay quickly and happily, you have my word as a gentleman. Frank
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Maybe not, though even if 80% comply, it would be fantastic.

(and the other 20% will be blacklisted on a public board )

Let's just assume that vast majority gives his word and stands behind it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I've contacted 4 different driver development companies, 2 of which are actually in the business of creating drivers for handheld devices.

If HTC doesn't come forth - we will just have to do it ourselves. Of course providing all the hardware is there, but all the evidence suggests that it is.

Anyway.. I'll keep you guys posted when I get replies.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Digitaltigre:
count me in

$100 from me.

That'll be money well spent.

Word

:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brayndeded:
im sure most of you have read this already, but i just saw the info on engadget. seems as though htc dont really care and their initial statement is lacking any concern...'but you can buy a new unit that will do this'. typical bait and switch if you ask me. so on with the development.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jvanliew:
I can kick in $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sane:
I have 20$ for the working drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mrmega:
Outstanding! Thanks bro!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nanax:
$20 from me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwny:
$40 from me.

A good program would run about $25, these drivers are more important so I'm willing to pay more.

Please keep us posted on the how to & when.

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] calarfe:
20 $ for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] frenkck:
I'll pay 20$ fore some decent drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ken1984:
do I have to donate already or just when it's clear that the driver will be made?

I'm willing 2 donate 20 $ :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronsmckee:
put me down for $20, HTC better watch it or their market share is gonna start shrinking fast
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Ok I've got a 13-year old driver development company that may help us with this nonsense.

Look here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361787
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NotATreoFan:
I'll gladly contribute $25 to get my Tilt running faster than my 8125.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] saajan:
Is this can help?????????????????

Guys

I just got an idea or suggestion or request….. Anyone can please look into the

O2 XDA Orbit II or O2 XDA Stellar clicks the link for specification please….

http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_orbit_ii-2180.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_stellar-2179.php

I think I’m sure it is made my HTC for specific for O2 only…... And it has Qualcomm MSM7200, 400 Mhz processor.

So my question is……. If this phone has ATI video chip and it is comes with the video drivers or not. If yes can we dump the driver from there devices and can we use it with our HTC device…..

Please someone look into this…….

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] troyk:
I'll throw in 5 Euro's , sadly i can't afford any more , i stil have to feed my kids.

If Somebody could provide me with this driver i can start living again and find myself a descent job.

If only.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fc3swrx:
Put me in for $100.

I just want to be sure that this would actually work on my ATT Tilt aka 8925 or aka 8900.

I'm kinda confused why this phone isn't listed on HTC's site specifically. It looks very much like the Tytn II

You guys know what's up with this phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Just wanted to say - we may yet have a place to spend our contributions at. We're currently talking to several driver development companies trying to have a backup plan in case HTC ditches us.

So hold on tight people and keep on adding to the pot. Every contribution makes it easier and more achievable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GSLEON3:
My original pledge was $20.00. I would like to increase that amount by adding an additional $80.00, hence, making my new pledge an even $100.00.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wim26:
i own this phone for one week. and its really frustrating that i didnt saw this problem sooner. i can return the phone but i really like it. well i guess the driver will not be here in a week. so then i have to return it. its a shame a company like HTC will not repair the devices with driver problems. i will never buy a HTC again.

still i would like to say to all the people that are stuck with there phones:

ill pay 10$ if you can fix the driver. it can only help!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] frenkck:
I think we've raised much more then 4000$ at this moment?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] beta_boy:
All.... after reading the Engadget thread today, we had a meeting tonight and after a long discussion we have decided to release an interim version of CorePlayer Mobile v1.1.x (Qtv Edition) to deal with the solutions we found for video playback on the Tilt/Kaiser.

At CES 2 weeks ago we announced two things... one that we are releasing CorePlayer Mobile for the iPhone ( see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm0OqIrsLp4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32nkACIJuiw ) (once Apple releases the Official SDK so we can conform to it) and the other was the availability as of February 21st, 2008 of CorePlayer Mobile 1.2 and CorePlayer Pro 1.2 (XP/Vista, OS X, and Linux).

I want to be 100% clear... we did NOT fix the driver issue. However we have figured out the Qtv video overlay API's and are able to take advantage of them.

So when will we release it? Read this thread to find out: http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=669.0

But the plan at this moment is as soon as possible.... I would like it to be pushed out tomorrow 1/24 but lets see how tonights QA goes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] notten:
I put down $30 at first, but bump me up another $70. That's $100 pledged from me, and I intend to pay this out to anyone who solves the video drivers but HTC. Driver devs, winmo hackers, or a 3rd party driver developer can have it. HTC will get it if they develop the drivers by getting me to repeat business with them. If they don't release them they will never see another cent from me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xkelly:
Put me down for $20.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mamaich:
Peole,

Just do not bother collecting money. It is absolutely impossible to make hardware accelerated OpenGL ES on Kaiser as it does not have ATI video chip onboard!

It is using ugly and slow builtin MSM7200 interface, that is not intended to play video or anything that requires high FPS values.

From what I see from decompiling - the CE driver is just a thunk between the emulated 16-bits/color framebuffer and the real LCD controller that is located on MSM hardware and has 18 bits per pixel. This is the weak point that causes kaiser to be so slow.

CE driver that transfers image to MSM part can be optimized by rewriting it in assembler language, but noone except HTC can do that, as only they have all necessary information (like MSM7200 specs, etc). And assembler optimizations typically give only small speed improvement - about 20-30%, that is why HTC would not bother spending their time on it.

Everything is stuck into the bad kaiser hardware design. Hopefully newer devices would have a better video organization.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mackaby007:
Thank you very much for the clarification Mamaich. This makes a lot of sense and explains much about their attitude, but what still confuses me is that the Kaiser still has a dual CPU one at 400Mhz and the other at around 270Mhz...right?

So then, how are they both being utilized as they should, given the fact that us Kaiser owners are experiencing sub-par speeds in so many different areas of general operation?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bo78:
How did you get the information, that the Kaiser's MSM7200 was built without the ATI kernel? Are there different versions of the MSM7200? I read that only the MSM7225 did not include the ATI kernel.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
*sigh*

Just how many times does it have to be said, the problems with the multimedia capabilities are NOT the main part of the issue, they're only a small part of a much greater problem, that the device performs very poorly for ALL functions, including business ones. With the screen being only software driven, EVERYTHING suffers. From Start Menu drawing, to scrolling through Word and Excel documents, to scrolling through File Manager, to using Tom Tom... EVERYTHING.

I do wish people would understand that simple fact... We'd get a LOT further with things if they did...

HTC advertised it as the most advanced communications device on the market. When PDA's from 3 years ago outperform it at almost every step, then that's a mis-advertisement.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] HeatWave:
OK very simple question about "expectations"

I am an non-aware consumer who bought the MDA Vario a few years back, a device that was brilliant at it's time.

I didn't buy the MDA Vario II since I didn't have the money but I wanted it because it was faster than the Vario 1.

So now I finally have the money to buy the Vario III (three already, wow that must be WAAAAYYY faster than my I right?).

And guess what? It's not! you go from the first revision to the third and it's SLOWER??

Justify that! Get out of here with all these excuses to protect HTC, they deliver a faulty product and refuse to do anything about it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rainersnookh:
No? What about that last bit?

But I guess they refer to games such as Solitaire and Ballbreaker...

But as a previous poster already stated, it's just not games, everything suffers from this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] frenkck:
The TyTN2 is more of a bussines device, i agree. But the touch serie is absolutely a multimedia device and got the same problems as the tytn2. You can't say that the HTC touch is a real business device, certainly not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RayB:
someone wanna buy a tytn II... ug
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] HeatWave:
It's besides the point! I don't give a rats ass what they promoted it as, this hardware is capable of playing movies and games without blinking.

But even scrolling and stuff is slower that on my Vario ONE! this is THREE! Don't call it that then ( I know t-mobile does that, but does mr Innocent consumer know that?).

They promise a third generation device and deliver a crippled version that is outperformed in everyway by my 3 years old Vario 1.

And some find that perfectly credible and we should not whine about it? get a grip....

And indeed, while the TytnII might be advertised as being a business device (so what, don't businesspeople get to use video etc?) but the above mentioned devices are not, and they suffer the same poor video performance. And the TytnI could do all this without problems, same device "range" (a business device).

So would everybody who's a slave to HTC that is trying to convince us of the fact that we're whining kids please go and see if they're not somewhere else and let us, the consumers that want value for money, get what's rightfully ours? Thank you. goodbye!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LeeStopps:
Looks like the media is getting hold of this too now !

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/24/htc_class_action_response/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] make77:
Put me down for 20 euros.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dkiersz:
I pledge for u$ 20

Keep me informed

Danny

dkiersz@fibertel.com.ar
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zaharakis:
put me in too :)

with $50

i was expecting something better from htc...but....:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
Just finally read about what is going on with this lack of driver support. Im in for 10 dollars. My only question is.... Is a new rom going to have to be flashed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nooky:
I'm in!

Put me down for $15,=
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mkrygeri:
i'm in

I'm down for $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hepd1806:
Please put me down for $10 USD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
we need to recount the total...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alamei:
I'm in for $50 US. It's a great phone, but I'd love to have a more effective camera and be able to play some games reasonably.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Freedom:
Put me down for $10...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chrisvol:
Put me down for $10...HTC bastaads-- when did they turn into i-mate?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bader_meinhof:
Put me down for $30..

Like the phone as a concept.. but disapointed in real performance and stuck with it the next 18 months.. :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TommyCP:
This is an interesting observation, but I don't see how this rules out the presence of the ATi video chip. From what I understand of it (and I know little about programming and assembler, so I might misunderstand you), you haven't checked the hardware, but rather went through the software to see if hardware acceleration is used by the drivers. Now, your observation that no hardware acceleration is used AFAIK merely confirms what we've suspected so far, namely that there is no driver present to do this. But, how then do you reach the conclusion that the ATi video chip also isn't there?

In short, how do you deduce that the video chip physically isn't there when you've only seen the software?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
5$ down on the table.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gunadeau:
20$ CAD

Put me down for 20$ CAD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hiimcliff:
new htc response

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/25/htc-further-responds-to-video-driver-issue-will-improve-future/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
Sign me up!

I registered as soon as I found out abut this!

Write me down for US$20 !!! XD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
I am going to be doing another big update on this thread updating the title and so forth.

This thread has attracted a lot of new users, received a lot of press, and overall been an amazing turn out.

I would appreciate if someone else wouldn't mind going through the thread and adding everything up against the count that I have done. I think my number got a little wonky when I tried to convert everything to USD!

I am told something may happen with this driver issues soon, so I'd like to get the numbers updated. I will do my own review of the numbers this weekend, but I'd appreciate a second or third peer review.

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KMFM$:
I fully understand this issue and side with everyone here at XDA Dev with the serious disappointment in the capabilities of the TyTN II. However, just a thought ( I am in no way defending HTC as I will most likely never buy an HTC product again myself), would the recent injunction on Qualcomm be cause for HTC to publicly denounce fixing what they should? Would continuing to support said Qualcomm chipset place HTC in some hairy financial/legal situation that they would just rather avoid?

Again, I am NOT siding with HTC at all, for I experience the same issues with my TyTN II. I guess I'm still just awestruck that I shelled out an a$$ load of money on a supposed "Panacea" for mobile users, just to find out it's a jar of snake oil and get insulted by the salesman for buying it. Just trying to explain the rationale, I guess.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] donatom3:
No it wouldn't because part of the settlement was that Qualcomm could continue providing the chipset on any deals it's already made. It's just not allowed to sell the chipsets for devices that didn't already have a contract.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dsellers2:
I am willing to donate $20 dollars to the programmer or design team to successfully create drivers that would help resolve some of the video issues.

My email is: d.sellers@insightbb.com

Thanks and I appreciate all your help on this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] adamdford:
Driver Progress

Has anyone made any progress so far on a driver? If some progress has been made could someone please post it! I would gladly donate on a regular basis if I could see that something is getting done or that somebody has started to find a solution. I appreciate even the mere thoughts of improving the user experience on the Kaiser, and I think you would see a lot more donations, including my own, if a progress report was shown.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
I just went through the numbers (From page 1 to 35) and apparently we've got>

USD - $4051 - From 158 Users

EUR - $455 - From 23 Users

GBP - $205 - From 8 users

CAD - $40 - From 2 users

AUD - $40 - From 1 user

TOTAL (approx in USD) = $5199.51

I hope we get some gears moving with this..

Greetings from Mexico!

- Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SINNN:
Ok... i am as cheap as they come. I mean.... when I buy toilet paper, I but the 25 cent rolls. Those last for about 2 good whipes. But seeing this problem and HTC being a holes about it, I will pay 25 dollars for a working driver. And if the driver is top notch and unleashes the power of the chip... I will pay 50 dollars.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rhov23:
If this driver would work for the Polaris as well, count me in for $75 dollars. If not, do not count me :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
Whats the status? We should have DEV teams just like the iPhone has, I came from the iPhone to this. Its awesome, but would love an increase in performance. Status please? Also I saw that you didnt include me in the list, I say 10$ dollars(was 5 but I went to 10)