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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tux_titan:
Why Not Setup a Trust, then maybe someone will take you seriously

If everyone is so committed and willing to give donations, why not setup a trust or a paypal account that everyone can donate to in order to get this accomplished??

No one is going to work on something for free, or atleast no one that wants to see any cash out of it. But if a developer is aware of an actual financial institution that is able to pay for the product and they can actually count on the money perhaps they would be willing to work on the product. Of course this developer would first have to come forward and agree to some terms and a contract... surely anyone who has paid 900$ for a phone is aware that in business you cannot just put your name on a paper and hope that someone will believe that you are serious. I wouldn't take this seriously.

I have the HTC Tilt, and while I have problems with the video rendering and I would be willing to pay some extra cash to have it perform better, but I need to be able to put that money somewhere and know that I am going to have the fix in a certain amount of time.

Also, if you really want to make some waves then you should actually organize. Group by Cellular Vendor, then pick a date and time to call into support at your Cellular Vendor, you get em all working their rear-ends off over one problem say every tuesday at 9pm or something (you will want to drive up their cost to handle the call volume) then you will start seeing some results from the vendor. No one wants to spend more money on staff than on a fix. Think about it, what would cost more, paying a development team a certain amount of money and giving them a deadline to have it corrected, or planning to have a larger staff on a regular basis to handle support for an issue that could be corrected by a developer.

Just a thought
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
I would put in $25
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
I think this wins the "most ridiculous statement of the year" so far. Yea, it's only February - but I can't imagine anything else topping that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
Really exciting news... please update once another response is received XD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sublevel:
Please count my pledge of $10 USD to this cause :)

Keep on pushing forward guys! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] UKTamo:
Count me in for $20
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] theformula:
The sad truth is, we will have these drivers soon.

How soon you ask? Well as soon as the next batch of devices utilizing this chipset roll out. I'm pretty sure HTC who can afford some pretty stellar engineers totally didn't drop the ball on this one.

They're merely holding out to pawn off video performance as their next big selling feature, in another device of course(with the same chipset). So pretty much all we have to do is wait until the next big thing gets to market(or developers).

Sad. Yes.

But this is how many companies run things, they let technology trickle out. Otherwise why upgrade?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redsrule2500:
Yep, that'd be my guess as well. Probably never officially supported for Kaiser...only for the next big phone that costs even more!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ryanrhod:
I'll pledge $15 towards the cause.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
I'll pledge $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] soze:
In for $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Macgyvec3:
Not so likely

I'm sure that if HTC will not support our devices and future devices will have them then we can rest assured that HTC will make damn sure we cannot get the drivers off the new devices to use on our own. It's a sad thought indeed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
$20, when and where do I send the cash?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mkrle:
$20

*but* paypal doesn't accept my country... please open moneybookers account too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tex_tech_monk:
I'm in for $20.00.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TTboy404:
I will pledge....

After my first, transferred video, and tried to watch it...it was pathetic.

But i have a touch cruise. I emailed HTC about my concerns regarding the kaiser, and lack of support and drivers before I bought the phone, after having a blue angel for years. I NEED a pda and a phone, my pda has 7,000 drugs and 30 simultaneous drug interactions and 2000 medical conditions. I can not afford to screw with the device, and drivers etc and play this dumb tech game...as when I need info at work, I need info at work and fast. They already have a track record with me. I literally got the generic email, that htc is not producing a dedicated video device, and they will consider supporting that in the future. Then my phone arrived. It kinda all happened at the same time over about a week.

If the stats are one thing, and what i am seeing is another....

I am just contacting the American Better Business Bureau. I will tell them of the lack of support for first extremely expensive phone, and now what is going on with this new device. A three or 4 year history with two devices....that says alot.

I have already started with the HTC reseller in Chicago.

And I will start on consumer reports, and the American better business Bureau this weekend. We need to contact engadget and those sites.

I already told HTC, via email tonight, I was turning them over to the BBB. Let them defend themselves in American, against this forum, the threat of a class action lawsuit...and the mission statement of the whole xda forums.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gman8966:
Put me down for $40, definitely worth it if this is fixed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
And even sadder truth is that you are wrong.

HTC will never use these chipsets again after Qualcomm and Broadcoms legal disputes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Ouch that will suck then...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mech_supernova:
My AT&T tilt plays SNES games perfectly without sound it goes to crap with the sound on though same for NES and I have yet to get the Sega to work. this is going to be one awsome phone when those drivers come out
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Exousia:
I'm in for $10... Getting quite sick of this phone and theres no way to do anything about it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olek71775:
i am in. 25 usd
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] heliax007:
10$ Us

..................................
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peteshannon:
Put me down for $30

Thirty Dollars from me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dopod818_e:
Count me in for $20

This is my second HTC. If HTC doesn't do anything regarding this issue I'm not going for third....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iazmin:
I'll give USD20!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Revin:
HTCClassaction.org

Does anybody know what happened to site www.htcclassaction.org? Last update was at 30.1. ... it is almost 14 days and nothing new. It looks that people from this site will come up with something, they wanted to sue HTC, I am really curious how far they are with it... because it looks that HTC won't do anything. I tried to send them some emails, but no answers...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] acrane:
I am in

put me down for $70.... takes us over 7K mark.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tupac_Shakur:
another 30 dollars for a total of 50 dollars
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mkrygeri:
pdadb.net

HTC already has a ton of phones in the pipe with MSM7200. They will go out of business before they switch chipsets.

I have personally prevented or delayed the purchase of 5 Tilts (minimum) because of this.

HTC can suck it and AT&T can suck it for not doing anything either.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
The media aught to be all over this.

Don't buy a Kaiser/Tytn/Tilt, it is not a production-ready product.

It's performance degrades each month until it crashes and requires a hard reset. After that, applications can start themselves during the night, while the phone is asleep, charging. For example, the media player turns on by itself.

It takes 1-2 seconds to answer a call and a second to terminate a call. That means you miss a lot of calls. Dialling is very hit and miss if you try to dial too quickly, or rather, not slowly enough.

The screen is very non-responsive. Scrolling is always jerky, you can double-hit a soft-button because it responds so slowly, and you can lock the device up if you are not patient with it.

Video calling is not properly supported. Video recording, yeah, try it. That really sucks. Also, the camera can take minutes to focus in low to medium light, especially if the device is not kept very still. Click, wait, wait some more, then maybe you get a picture, but often you don't.

It's not all bad though. When I got the device, the battery lasted about 6 hours in normal operation. Since the last hard reset back to default settings, the battery now lasts about 30% longer. I discovered the bad Bluetooth implementation eats the battery even more than HSDPA. It's good to know the device will almost last a working day now.

I can't help feeling that this device could be wonderful if some genius on this forum figures out how to fix it. For that, I donate another $20. What are we at now, $7k+ worth of fix bounty, from 1000 unhappy owners? The media aught to be all over this....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Surfboomerang:
I finally got an answer to my driver request to ATI. Their response:

so all HTC phone owners...UNITE and go to support.ati.com, create an account and post a driver request. Maybe.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rhov23:
Good work! What did you write in the first post to ATI?

A small tutorial on where you clicked on the ATI site would be nice :) thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] skrules:
I am in as well

Count me in for $10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
Hey everyone - I need your input.

I am seriously considering closing this thread.

For starters, we have raised plenty of money to motivate someone to work on this. I have not updated the total since the end of January, but I would not be surprised if we have raised close to $10,000.

This creates a few issues - mainly the logistical problem of contacting everyone in this thread should a driver ever be released.

Another big problem is that developers have no reason to release their work until the pledges start slowing down. There have been no signs of this happening, so it might be best if we just cut it off and tell people they can contribute when a driver is released if they want.

We have raised enough, and I don't see any direct benefit in raising even more money. At least, no benefit that outweighs the potential problems.

Your input is welcome, but I will not consider the input of anyone with less than 25 posts - so don't bother posting if this is the case (just trying to avoid those who might have ulterior motives).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Qualcomm did modift chipset

Hey guys... After all that slowness i've been handling on my kaiser, I ran across this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6FtqpnpMtE

I was gonna put android on my phone, but look at what the narrator says... Qualcomm 7201A chipset... I think this is all Qualcomm's fault and not HTC, because with such an issue I think they wud be more than willing to fix it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mech_supernova:
I just sent ATI a request for the drivers hopefully enought people will request them and they will be released
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Surfboomerang:
go to the site support.ati.com and click on the tab "My support" (you must have an account. If you haven't one, create one)

Then click on the link "submit a ticket"

I enclosed my ATI ticket in this post. See attachment.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boart:
I also asked ATI now for the drivers. Hope it will help.

Shoudlnt we give HTCCLASSACTION this information, too?

PS: IF AMD/ATI supports us, we should also think twice if we shouldnt buy an AMD CPU and GPU next time :) I bought it already :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Surfboomerang:
Who knows who we need at HTCclassaction?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ACMilan07:
great work mate, im doing that just now
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bandit2xx:
Uhmm... i don't get it... in the list of the devices with ATI imageon none HTC devices shows up! How can they support or solve it? Doesn't has to be Qualquomm by itself? And for what i read from other messages seems to be a hardware fault not a software fault thus making it impossible to be solved... N0?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Septastrum:
Hey guys, just submitted a support request to ATI, *crosses fingers*.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cuboosh:
lol all the twists and turns sure are crazy with this driver.. its like every week its someone elses fault.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] w00b:
sigh, my first post was the petition signing, my second post is to donate money to find a solution for something that shouldn't have been a problem to begin with. 10 whole dollars from me. the life of a college student is a poor one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] foxyn:
$75 to get the drivers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RocketChimp:
Chalk me up for $30 USD.

Thanks,

RC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
This is the support ticket I made:

I have an HTC Touch by Sprint and I've contacted HTC and Sprint numerous times because of the lack of video drivers for the integrated ATI Imageon 2200 chipset that's in the MSM7500 by Qualcomm.

I am hoping you guys can provide the needed drivers to get this issue resolved because I am experiencing video playback issues and GUI draw issues on my phone. This doesn't just affect the HTC Touch, but every phone that has the MSM7500 and MSM7200 Qualcomm chipsets in the phones (Primarily HTC devices).

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bronx31:
Some interesting reading:

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/editorials/qualcomm_htc_chipsets_and_feat.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Got a basic response: Phone manufacturer is supplies drivers and it's up to them to implement it in their devices.

Great website!

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rdwing:
10$ for drivers on the touch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rockafela9:
$20.

I would love to beat this unethical company. Put me down.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freeze2015htc kaiser hack:
I can give 10$ for the kaiser video driver
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] unksr00t:
put me down with $30... Come on some developer from HTC has to fancy this money :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
This is whats going on....

Some smart guy on here has a driver that will fix the video issue. He is just watching the donation amount grow. hahah!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Yeah, his name is Peter Chou (HTC CEO)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=355345&page=37
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
:eek: Really?

a good one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zrgn:
20$ to simply stop the slowness whether it be solved via a video driver or otherwise. A comment has been made on WMExperts that the ARM11 chip performs worse than the ARM9 unless Qualcomm insider information is applied which costs money (HTC may not have this information). The devices in theory would perform fine even without the video driver enabled if there was not a bug in the ARM11 processor.

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/editorials/qualcomm_htc_chipsets_and_feat.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joncgde2:
whoever is the head of this effort should do this:

email HTC and demand a concrete response regarding either their attempts to fix this issue ASAP, or

threaten to run a newspaper ad that will damage their reputation - put the money pledged to buy a nice big ad in a popular newspaper... that would be money well spent

with HTC struggling to become a popular brand, they will go nuts at the thought of people being put off their brand

muahahah

hey and its perfectly reasonable - don't release a product if it is incomplete

don't mislead people by claiming your product can do things that it really can't

don't sell products for $1000 if they function as poorly as models 2 years old

i'm sure HTC would give a good response to you then :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bob T:
Id give 25 for video driver and 50 for complete drivers to fix the slow down
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb.knight:
20 usd. i hope some one gets paid!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brayndeded:
well, sad to say this, but i got so fed up with my ppc 6800 and it losing my ringtones and voice tags all the time and shocking me when i picked it up 4 different times...2 times resetting itself...and taking up to 4 seconds to switch from reg to landscape mode and the overall sluggishness of the piece of junk,and the lack of anything at all out of htc...which imo should stand for "Hey...Total Crap", that after all this, sadly i had no choice but to switch to a blackberry. dont hate me, i still love win mo, and always will,and im sure within a year, i will be back to a win mo unit. but darn sure wont be from htc. i do hate to admit it,but my wife is right,the bberry just flat out works,never a sinc problem,never have to reset,batt live goes on for many many days, and it just flat works. downside is,its very vanilla,very few apps and games. so if and when win mo gets its many bugs fixed,ill be back..just hope it dont take them up to win mo version 23.5 to get it to finally work right.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] muthaflaco:
Put me in for 10.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sexylatin1:
tilt 8925 pimp my phone out

i will post 25.00 if you could pimp out my tilt and make it look sweet run fast and have no more hang ups.like the dam sleep mode.keeps freezing in sleep and i have to do a soft reset to get the phone up and running.so tell me what to do to get your help on pimping my phone.also im dumm to all this so i would need extra help...lol....ill be looking for the answer.............
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dirlan2001:
Maybe we could start develop our own 'brand' ? Something like the specifications of the upcoming E-Ten V900 crammed into a hx4700 with a better screen ? I'm not a programmer, but I've the impression the ODM/OEM's only launch devices that leave out just one little something, stopping it from being the perfect machine....

Cheers

Dirk
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
In case you do not read other threads:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1943107&postcount=1342

NO drivers coming up , despite the initial announcments.

We are back to zero (not true.... +7000 USD) but no one who stands up and can offer the fix we all wait for... :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] v00dy:
Put me in for 20$
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Is there a way to get something like a situation report. Exmaple

1. Money offered so far.

2. Other options such as donating a phone to someone that can help

3. Maybe an explination as to why this is so hard to get.

etc etc... .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
1. Read the thread and get your calculator out.

2. Read the thread, it's been suggested

3. Read the thread, it's been explained already.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Well DUR! I'm sure there is someone that has done the calculation before and they have a place they've ended at and could start from.. It would be easier done that way. You know at some point a summary of things is nice, so you don't have to dig through 50 pages of, ADD ME FOR $20. When you get so many posts it begins to become impossilbe to find things without getting a headache. .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
So, you'd rather someone else do the work to answer your questions? I suspect you'll have a long wait.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I'd rather it be done right then wrong so yes. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] FloatingFatMan:
You're assuming whoever does the totalling can actually add up! ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nosmohtac:
It looks like HTC may have told a little white lie earlier when they said that they weren't going to do anything with the current devices.

Most of you have probably already read this but....

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...ster-video-for-affected-devices-no-drivers-i/

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/rumors/htc_to_deliver_video_improveme.html#comments
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
Sorry for not updating the total in a while... anyways NEW TOTAL as of right now:

$7,435.78

From 282 users.

Keep it up!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
This might seem silly but has anyone asked htc what it would take to get the drivers? I know we have asked for the drivers or better yet demanded them, but have we asked what it would take to make it happen?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] crl0901:
Well, technically, we wouldn't be getting them from HTC, we'd be getting them from Qualcomm, and we'd still probably have to do some programming to get those to work correctly with our Kaisers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbze430:
Maybe we should ask how much it would cost to purchase these from Qualcomm.... use this money for something.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] emdzej:
$10-20 from me ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jimmyy:
I've requested such things on two occasions to HTC alone. Thing is most of the time when a message is sent to a company it doesn't pass the guy answering it, which obviously doesn't know and just replies a pre-assembled message.

You might have better luck, send one yourself =)

keep pushing

- jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] panmetrix:
Pawan - $10
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jdmba:
Save your money ... the drivers are in development :)

HTC is developing the Tilt video drivers (although it will not be a ROM update and will not use the Qualcomm hardware).

The statement from HTC about the Tilt Drivers can be found here:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10751
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
LOL can you not read? The first line is "HTC is very clear that this fix is not a driver for Imageon hardware lying dormant in some handsets" and then further down it says "HTC is very specific in pointing out that this fix is not a driver for the Imageon hardware locked away inside the Qualcomm chipset in the devices in question. "

So how can you say HTC is developing the Tilt Video driver?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] loveandhate:
I'm in for $20
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fluxs2:
count me in for 20 Euro.

This machine is so bloody slow.I had 3 Htc devices be4 this one, and i can tell you.. this will be my last. What a bull**** childish attitude from this company, they think we are stupid or what?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] andgoldi:
I'm gonna donate $20
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] voldi:
count me in for $20

this will speed up my sprint ppc-6800 (aka htc mogul), right? if so, please count me in for $20
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] servergod:
Mo Money

$20.

Would love gl/3d rendering that is h/w accelerated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] qiuness:
$20 for some wicked drivers :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storms:
More cash

I'll be up for at least £30 sterling... or more if depending how empty my account is when/if it happens!!

sláinte
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nbviper:
I'm in for

ATLEAST

$20... probably more.

I may be new here... but if google 'nbviper', 95% of the results lead back to me. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SatScan:
25 Euro

Yep a other 25,- euro !!!!

Speedup that thing
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
I'm in, $25.00
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] M4cr0s:
My funds are very limited but I'm able and absolutely willing to sponsor 10€.