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[General Topics] mike freegan:
I come from a Sony Ericsson P990, so the cramped keyboard seems big to me now :P

Interestingly, I had a go on a friend's Wizard today (my old phone). Although the 9502 keys are smaller making touch typing pretty much impossible, the fact that they don't go right up to the edge makes the end keys of each line much easier to reach with my thumbs. Simply for this reason I think I can type quicker on this than any of my previous qwerty devices.

HTC lost me as a fan when the stylus came loose and the paint flaked off all 4 HTC devices that I have owned. For this reason, they're generally referred to as 'High Tech Crap' in the industry. To give them some credit though, the Kaiser does look of much higher build quality, and their software seems a lot better now. If the Kaiser had a flash on the camera, video drivers and a VGA screen it would likely be my device of choice.

I'm yet to decide if the 9502 is of better quality. Its looks have definately grown on me (it looks much better in person than in the photos), and nothing has come loose yet which is a good thing :)
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I agree with a lot of that. I despised the power button at first, but now I'm used to it I guess. The weight doesn't bother me at all either. So long as I can lift it to my ear, I'm happy :P

I'm not sure about ROM cooking really. I don't think it'll happen until I-Mate release a few more ROMs anyway.

But as you said, the SDHC (and video drivers) are both ridiculous issues for such an expensive toy. Time is of the essence for I-Mate to fix this before the 9502 becomes old news. The only way I can see this happening is bombarding them with emails before they start focus their efforts on new products like what has happened to the poor Tytn II users.
[General Topics] maevro:
They are very aware of the MicroSD issues but they don't have an ETA for a fix/patch. The same things are happening with the 6150, 8150 and 8502 so it is in their best interest to take care of it ASAP.

If anyone ever wants me to say anything to the higher ups at I-Mate, just let me know. I email

their US rep all the time and provide and receive feedback from him. I am one of the authorized I-Mate dealers listed on I-Mates website.

There is a lot riding on the success of these 4 phones. You would think that they want to get it right.
[General Topics] netnerd:
device running slow, maybe u have too many programs running in background. I use spb pocket plus, when u click on X, it closes the program instead of running.

did u also remove all those junks from startup folder?

I have no problems with GPSgate, it' very stable! did u set input to "WM GPS" instead of com 9?
[General Topics] mike freegan:
If they're already working hard on the SD thing already, then just passing on the message of the crappy video performance thing would be amazing. Such a massive deal was made of the screen resolution and TV-out capabilities of the 9502, to find that it can't play video worthy of either is a massive let-down.

It is almost impossible to find a thread on the 9502 that doesn't end in "no-one will pay £400 for this because it has the same video problems as the Tytn II", so it will obviously massively affect sales.

Examples:

http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=940.msg5624#msg5624

http://forums.imate.com/MSM7200_video_drivers/m_1827/tm.htm

http://www.modaco.com/content-page/267992/the-official-i-mate-9502-ask-paul-thread/page/20/

etc etc.
[General Topics] dbond45:
wobbly slider anyone?

hi all

just got my 9502 a few days ago from clove. a great device, but one huge issue. the sliding screen is wobbly as hell when its extended. if you gently shake the unit with keyboard exposed, the screen jiggles back and forth like the screws haven't been tightened enough. its really, really annoying. at this point I think my unit is defective, and am going to arrange for an exchange..

can anyone please let me know how tight/loose their screen feels when extended?

many thanks....

dbond
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Is this the problem with the screen everyone has been describing? Mine doesn't move any more than I'd expect of a spring loaded mechanism. It doesn't move at all really other than up and down the runners a bit.

If I shake it really hard, I can open and close the screen without touching it, but to be honest, I don't plan on shaking my £400 toy that hard very often :P
[General Topics] kipmast:
This is exactly what I said a few posts back. This is the main reason I returned it.
[General Topics] dbond45:
Just to make sure, did yours move laterally side-to-side, or back and forth. Mine does not wiggle side to side, but, when opened, the screen rattles forward and backward, in essence, the screen hits the back of the phone, then bouces back up, etc, like it hasn't been tightened enough...

Any thoughts...
[General Topics] netnerd:
can you do a youtube video so i can compare to mine? i believe i dont have this problem on mine.
[General Topics] kipmast:
Mine had alot of wobble side to side when closed. Maybe mine was just a defect???
[General Topics] dawsonas:
This doesn't have WinMo 6.1 it has WinMo 6 Pro with Mobile Office 6.1
[General Topics] P996:
A little sidenote: I used the benchmark from the latest SKTools to measure the performance of the 9502 compared to the i780 performance.

CPU performance is around 50% higher with the i780.

GPU performance is around 100% higher with the i780.

I don't understand why HTC and i-mate are sticking with Qualcomm, honestly.

Maybe it has something to do with production cost but Qualcomm started to ruin

the reputation of HTC, the TyTN II is a very good example.

The i780 would be perfect if it would have the Qbwl form factor incl. a VGA screen.

I really don't know what to use, the i780 is very fast but I like the keyboard and display of the 9502 much more. I also still use the TyTN II because of Dutty's fabulous WM 6.1 ROM.

So yes, I'm looking for a 9502 with i780 performance and Dutty's WM 6.1 ROM. ;)
[General Topics] zohaer21:
i dont think there will be a separate forum space for imate 9502 and rightly so

1)its not a very popular phone as compared to other NON htc phones like samsung i780

2)its more expansive than most HTC phones and hence even fewer members have it

3)no one really cares about imate any more ! they suck!
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Well technically Qualcomm CPU's are brilliant. The HTC P6500 uses it and got GPU results 10x those of the TYTN II!! The real question is, why do HTC/I-Mate keep using them if they're not going to bother making video drivers to utilize it?

And yes, it does appear your clacking screen was faulty. Mine doesn't move in the way you described at all.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
This is most likely a WM 6.0 problem. It was never really stable until 6.1 for the Kaiser either when running Navizon. Google Maps is smart enough to use the post WM 5.x GPS Immediate Driver/COM4 which acts like GPS Gate/Proxy.

What is your GPS default speed settings and what GPS apps are you using? Try setting your GPS apps to use double the speed settings of the GPS control panel app (if default 4800, set Garmin to 9600bps).

Isn't this just setting the length of time (in the Power control panel) for when the screen will turn off? There's also a registry setting to adjust when the phone is on a call because it turns off faster than the Power setting.

Meantime, anybody interested in dumping the ROM, or grabbing copies of DDI.dll, wce_rex.dll, etc out of the 9502 so I can take a look for the Kaiser ahi2dati.dll porting effort? Thanks.
[General Topics] netnerd:
how about cooking a WM6.1 for imate 9502 based on kaiser?
[General Topics] Menneisyys:
Benchmarks are - particularly GPU benchmarks -, in general, pretty meaningless on Windows Mobile. Qualcomm CPU's aren't THAT bad.

In addition, as has also been pointed out in my latest iPAQ 210 review and Misc news collection, the Marvel Xscale PXA3x0 series isn't particularly good in the power consumption dept.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
itd been a long time since iv done anything rom related but im happy to do this if u link me to some instructions.

warning tho; th ahi2dati.dll is present in the 9502 but doesn't seem to do much - graphic performance is terrble.
[General Topics] mav42:
Hmmm here is something that may or may not be of interest..:

Seems the Imate 9502 uses the Nvidia graphics chipset,I was told this twice by 2 diff techs from Imate, and they are aware of a driver issue with the Qualcomm chipset,I was also told that THERE will be fix within the month..

but then again HTC did say something along those lines 4 months ago regarding the Kaiser
[General Topics] mike freegan:
now that sounds promising. the thing is, HTC are flourishing and have loadsa contracts with networks whereas this is make or break time for I-mate. they can't afford for people not to buy these latest devices.
[General Topics] ixman:
Hi,

I'm also an owner of i-mate 9502 and yes, I'm also disappointed by the lack of free RAM and the up button and the fact that even the battery is huge the device only lasts for 2 days moderate use. The i-go 2008 is not working the Tomtom is OK... Video playback is terrible just like the HTC Polaris... I have also an iPAQ 214 with the PXA 310 and good video drivers and you should see the videos played unmodified from the PC to the Pocket... quite impressive... just copy and paste your movie...

The I-mate looks very good but is heavy like hell... but I like the keyboard...

I'm waiting for a ROM upgrade and hopefully a cooked ROM from the forum hackers...
[General Topics] notisz:
Im very happy that i gave my polaris and sedna for the imate. I think its a much better device and i hope with the help of the brilliant cookers of our beloved site we will soon have a rom solving our problems
[General Topics] wssherbiny:
I would also love it if XDA-Dev got a 9502 forum.
[General Topics] Raspster:
Same here....
[General Topics] sx1-doc:
major problem

all the devices is produced by Arima it has problems with MicroSDHC,all imate ultimate series and xda flame .... i dont understand how come a company like MWG ,IMATE or Arima didnt fined a solution yet (hardware drivers conflict while using sdhc ) .

seem that Arima has real problems with sdhc.
[General Topics] samy.3660:
For Imate 9502 forum visit aboutfone.com
[General Topics] keywong:
Please open a 9502 forum, thanks
[General Topics] cushcalc:
aboutfone.com is no help whatsoever - there are no posts in

any

of the forums for any manufacturer!
[General Topics] sx1-doc:
here is the best ultimate forum

http://www.ultimates.biz
[General Topics] samy.3660:
Actually its just a startup community. We need to go there and post information.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Hardly anyone is using those forums though :/ Not very helpful. I really hope I-Mate get their arse in gear with these video drivers though, otherwise I may only keep it until SE X1 comes out, OR might even sack it off and get a Toshiba Portege G910 (already out).
[General Topics] netnerd:
of course, i going to upgrade to Sony X1. X1 got 3" WVGA 800x480 compare to the rest with only 2.8" VGA 640x480!
[General Topics] apd:
GPS

Has anyone got CoPilot Live 7 working? TomTonm works perfectly but COL7 doesn't get a fix, even with GPS Gate on (and reporting a fix).
[General Topics] notisz:
Igo 8 works with gpsgate also
[General Topics] hchickers:
Hi

Sounds good, how ? I have tried it on the 8502 w/ no results, the device doesn't get a PIN. Any clues/hacks etc. ? It would be highly appreciated. Nice phone though it would be a pity to not support BBC...

Thanks,

HC
[General Topics] NuShrike:
I just noticed the wce_rex.dll from the KS20 is entirely unoptimized, as in it's the DEBUG version. Heheh.. I wonder how these companies can be shipping out code as such. Maybe it explains the lag.

Anyways, these are the instructions for dumping the Kaiser rom.. Maybe it can help you help me. Thanks!:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=334680
[General Topics] Ineedtoys:
Don't go anywhere the Tosh. You will seriously regret it. Check out the feedback at Expansys and MyG900.com for comments from those who have been burned already.
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Oh, I'm fully aware of the G900 problems, one of my best friends has it. I will wait until some G910 reviews appear before buying. Hopefully it'll have the MSM7200 drivers!

He has managed to tweak his G900 into working perfectly though. Even without video drivers it manages to play VGA video and accept SDHC memory cards.

EDIT: You're right - it looks shockingly bad. If I-Mate don't sort out SDHC and video drivers soon I'm afraid I'm going to get an X1 in a few months.
[General Topics] sx1-doc:
same for xda flame users and imates users there is no proper video driver or sdhc driver or stable os,in other word Arima sucks (the manufacturer of those devices) .

so i dont know who to blame more Arima or Imate and MWG or NVidia and Qualcomm.

anyway we have devices with big hardware potential,but big software problems.
[General Topics] Raspster:
Question, whichjunk is safe to remove from start-up? I only took out the imate service file in there.
[General Topics] netnerd:
remove everything there!
[General Topics] mike freegan:
Sorry to keep bumping this thread, but it seems to be the only place on the net where people are discussing the ins and outs of the 9502 in any detail.

I just wanted to remind people that emailing I-Mate for graphics drivers and SDHC support and a WM6.1 ROM relentlessly is the only way that I can see a solution to this problem.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
So any chance you can dump the 9502 rom for me if you have time? I posted the instructions of how it works for the Kaiser a few posts back. There's some instructions on how to adapt it for other devices at the end of the thread.
[General Topics] Raspster:
I was able to get everything out of startup except: CS which is the screen orintation when you slide out the keyboard, imate config which controls some of the hard buttons like the email button if you care about that, & poutlook. All others were taken out which gave me about 8 more MB in total. Also if you tweak the REG to disable the phone dialer skin, that will save you like 4mb as well. My RAM after soft reset is now: 42mb free with all my crap installed which is ALOT of crap! :) Good enough for me!
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I'll give it a shot when I get home tomorrow. Is there any chance of bricking my device?

Also, what do you plan on doing with it when ripped? As I said, the graphic drivers seem to do nothing.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
I think when you dump, you're just pulling files off it, and not pushing.

As for what am I doing, just pushing files together to understand how all the vendors are getting their drivers to work, and who is skimping and where. Like it looks like ahi2dati.dll (ATI 2d graphics calls) is starting to show up on all Qualcomm 72xx devices now.. and it seems to vary how much of the native DDI.dll drivers are actually set up to call into it.
[General Topics] :
Can you by chance post the exact REG key you've edited to disable the phone dialer skin (I tried searching the registry but couldn't seem to find it).

Thanks :)
[General Topics] iggii:
OK, so it looks WM 6.1 for TytnII might be ready. If HTC gives this to their users

and I-mate will not, lets think about their quality...

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...he-htc-kaiser-6-1-performance-update-is-here/
[General Topics] netnerd:
fit4cat can disable phone skin. for some reasons Imate 9502 is the only phone that i used when you press against the face, it either turn on speaker, or pressed the hang up botton!
[General Topics] Raspster:
Here you go:

HKLM, SECURITY, PHONE, SKIN, and change the Enabled to '0' instead of '1' to enable. Save, then soft-reset. The default WM6.0 dialer will be used. Also, I read somewhere that the ETEN VGA video dialer skin will work with the 9502 and I have the CAB but every time I try to install it, it gives me an error and then it deletes the 'PHONE' line under the REG line I just mentioned and I must re-enter the lines by hand.... Stupid... Anyway, the ETEN video dialer is ALOT better than the IMATE one. If anyone can get it running on the 9502, kudo's to you then and please share... :)
[General Topics] mike freegan:
I tried it, and couldn't get it to display properly in vga (I did use the vga version). Now I can't get video calls to work on my 9502 at all. Like the video call app doesn't exist.
[General Topics] Raspster:
hmmm, not sure why... Its set in mine at VGA by default. If you go back in the reg edit and put back the '1' under enable and soft reset, you will go back to dialer with video calling again as it was before. unless you are referring to the ETEN app for VGA video calling. If you did install that app, chances are you incountered the same problem I did. You need to go back into reg edit as far as security then phone, you will see the SKIN folder missing, ad that with the old reg settings from before, it will stick and allow you to use again. I got scared too when I tried to install the ETEN app. It takes out some reg settings when you try to install.
[General Topics] ginloin:
I have an 8502, and I read that video calling is a skin dependent thing, so I imagine for the 9502 it's the same. i.e. no operator skin = no video calls. I've found with the 8502 it also disables the intelligent Fn key, so any time you want numbers you have to hold the Fn key (rather than it knowing when numbers are required). So for example, I use a simple PIN lock for my phone. With the skin enabled, it knows that this field can only be numbers so I don't have to hold down the Fn key to unlock it. With the skin disabled, I do have to hold Fn to get numbers, which on the 8502 make one handed unlocking impossible. It has other implications too, like when searching the address book and so on. It won't match numbers unless you hold Fn, and then it will only match the numbers, not the corresponding letters.

Kind of a bummer - it's a really bloated skin. Frees up a stack of space without it, but on balance, I've opted to keep it enabled rather than lose those functions. Would prefer to operate without it though.
[General Topics] mr_flibble:
9502 VOIP Issues

Dunno if i should post this here or in the VOIP forum, anyway...

I have installed MajikVOIP, VOIPDrivers and SetupVoip_v0.3. Can connect to SIP no problems, but can't hear properly. The person on the other end of the call can hear me perfectly, but i can't make out what they're saying, it's crackly and inaudible.

I also install Pockec Express Talk. This works fine in the other direction, i can hear crystal clear, but to the person on the other end of the line my voice sounds very compressed and "wobbly", hard to make out what i'm saying.

Issue exists with connecting to local asterix and voipbuster. Any ideas? Haven't found anybody else with this problem, perhaps the Telstra rom in the 9502 has something funny that messes up VOIP.
[General Topics] bommel0815:
well, compared to the preliminary Touch Diamond results, the ultimate does pretty well!

solopalmari

the Touch Diamond scores 1390, while the ultimate scores 1864 (see post 71)
[General Topics] Peter Bruderlin:
Forum for i_Mate Ultimates

How about a forum for the i-Mate Ultimates (or in particular the 9502)?

This site is called XDA-Developers. Does that mean you (I should say 'we' because I'd like to think that as a member I have a stake in it) are limited to XDA? No. We cater to XDA, IMate, HP, Dopod, HTC...

And if there is any focus we DO have, any common thread through the posts here, it's that we are concerned with Windows Mobile devices. The issues are about things like SDHC support, or proper h/w accelerated driver support, or ROM cooking, or WM versions. These are about Windows Mobile Devices, and affect all Windows Mobile Devices.

Did someone mention HTC only? Where did that come from? Is the site called HTC-Developers? No.

Do HTC pay the bills? (Actually that's something I would like to know. If yes, then fine, and you can disregard this post.) But if no, then why such commitment to a particular manufacturer?

If you doubt whether people would use a 9502 forum, look back through this General forum. There are hardly any posts in it that aren't about the 9502, or at least i-Mate's Ultimates. It appears to me that a lot of members want a forum for the Ultimates.

Come on guys, can we please have a 9502 (or Ultimate) forum? Please?
[General Topics] N1TeSH1FT:
Well, I'm still waiting for the iMate 7150 which they announced more than a year ago and which is still on their site (which they obviously forgot about, as they still say: coming mid 2007 ;-)

http://www.imate-ultimate.com/ult7150.htm

I wonder why they released such a device as the 9502. There are too many simmilar devices on the market, but no actual one which is like HTC Universal / MDA Pro / QTEK 9000 and so on. That would have been the 7150. They just needed to add GPS and voila.

Nevertheless, iMate devices aren't HTC or "XDA"-branded Devices and so they have nothing to do with this site...
[General Topics] Peter Bruderlin:
NiTeSHiFT said:

"Nevertheless, iMate devices aren't HTC or "XDA"-branded Devices and so they have nothing to do with this site..."

Actually *most* iMate devices *are* HTC. (eg PDA2K, JasJar, JasJam)

And some XDA devices are *not* HTC. (eg O2 XDA Atom, Atom Life, XDA Flame? not sure)

And many HTC devices are not XDA. Yet they are somehow relevent to this site that is called XDA-Developers.

See how the brand or manufacturer is so irrelevent?

The important point is that the focus is Windows Mobile devices. That should include any O2, HP, Dopod, iMate, SE...so long as it is Windows Mobile.

And you seem keen to discuss two of the iMate Ultimates. Perhaps you would agree that we need a forum to discuss them in?
[General Topics] netnerd:
I have lost all interests in 7150 after the Sony X1 announcement. y would u want to get 640x480 on 7150 when u can get 800x480 on X1
[General Topics] cushcalc:
Display differences, compatibility issues

Because 800x480 is a non-standard size - some applications and many games may not display properly.
[General Topics] bommel0815:
if you think 800x480 is the deal then why haven't you gotten a toshiba a year ago?

besides that, you realize that the X1 800x480 3" screen is physically more narrow than the 2.8" 640x480 screens, do you? so while they are nice in many regards, they have drawbacks too.
[General Topics] netnerd:
y i havnt gotten a Toshiba? cus those idiots forgot to put USA 3.5G on it! i will not buy anything without USA 3.5G!

how is 800x480 narrowER than 640x480?

both width is 480! but 3" X1 just use the extra .2 inch for the extra 160 pixel compare to 640 at 2.8" !
[General Topics] netnerd:
funny! i have a 22" monitor at home with 1680x1050 resolution! i have no problems running any programs or games on it!
[General Topics] mike freegan:
A good friend of mine has a Toshiba G900. The screen is considerably narrower. It is much longer, which gives the extra .2", but loses a fair bit of width.

And yes, most apps don't run on it without real trouble. It's hard enough to find apps that run properly on VGA, never mind WVGA. There is a solution though. My friend has an app that effectively disables the bottom few pixels to make it VGA so that things like TomTom can run on it. He has also modded the app so that he has an option to stretch VGA apps to WVGA, but it makes them look a bit funny.
[General Topics] bommel0815:
what you obviously don't know is that desktop applications are designed to work with different resolutions. Windows mobile apps often don't.

If they are developed with different resolutions in mind, and adhere to the according MS coding guidelines, they work. But most applications are designed for 320x240, because this is what most ppc have. They usually also work on 640x480 screens, because they just get stretched (1 pixel becomes 4). But some apps don't even support this.

next is games. As most graphics are handdrawn, they are often drawn for 320x240 screens. On VGA screens they get stretched, on anything else they dont work at all. That, and they become much slower on the high res screens.