yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
On 07 the multisim is detected?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
Yes, i try the build 07 and yes.

Enviado desde mi Moto G Play mediante Tapatalk
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Ok,i revert last voLTE commit,and now building
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
OK, TY friend.

Enviado desde mi Moto G Play mediante Tapatalk
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
Had this happen as well, so reverted to CM13. The only thing with the network I found that worked was outgoing texts, I sent a test one to my Google Voice account, although the reply did not come back through to the phone. That's the only bug I found with it, other than that it has been very nice to use
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
Friend, when building the ROM?

Enviado desde mi Moto G Play mediante Tapatalk
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
Just tried WiFi and USB tethering on the December 12 build, neither seem to work. Not sure if it worked on the previous build.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] spiked_mistborn:
Dec 12 build on xt1607 - voice calling still not working unless the radio is switched from LTE to 3G or 2G. When checking voicemail the call connected with no audio, switched from LTE to 3G, and then got stuck showing "Hanging Up". The Enhanced 4G LTE Mode overlay is not showing in sim settings. Seems like it's probably a cm issue, but let me know if any logs will help.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MaanasDwivedi:
Incoming SMS doesn't work, sometimes camera won't launch from the lock screen and have to enter the password and unlock to get it to work. Its going to be a good replacement for CM13 when Call/SMS related problems are gone. Runs very smooth otherwise.

Edit: The camera seems to be working fine from the lock screen now.

I think its more of a CM problem but in landscape mode notifications can't be accessed only toggles can be seen.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] venturajpo:
Sim Cards not detected on the xt1603
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
There is no fix to end the call ???
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
I don't know how to fix it.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
Thx

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If I can help you in any way feel free
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
I need logs
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
Tested install google pixel dialer unsuccessfully (in cm13 work fine) how can i help with the logs
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
https://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Doc:_debugging_with_logcat
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] AndroidX:
Try to contact from squad2 maybe he can fix it
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
i found this in youtube.. [youtube]PrIma5oBiJ8[/youtube] .. dont knw if it wuld be of any help.. its a mtk device.. u can watch it anyway
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MaanasDwivedi:
You expect them to understand Hindi?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
no i mean atleast they can watch no.. if its of any importance
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Don't use this... It's partially fixed.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
Then when the new ROM friend?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
ok... :good:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
Great news
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
-Fixed dualsum

-Fixed audio in call

In next 24h i will release it.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MaanasDwivedi:
I can't thank you enough. Thank you so much!!

Also, does incoming SMS work now?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
What time is it? :silly:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
In due time. Developers have lives as well and won't always be able to get it released exactly at the time they say
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
Be patient, release it when you can.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
I do not want to bother, it will release the update today
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
Are you sure?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
It was a question for dev, not a statement
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
This is slightly unrelated, but still pertains I guess since it deals with CM14. I just looked on Cyanogenmod's website and yesterday they added the Moto G4 and G4 Plus, so maybe sometime soon the G4 play will get official nightlies
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Rom updated

December 21, 2016:

- Merged latest msm8916 kernel updates

- Msm8916-common: Remove "androidboot.selinux=permissive"

- Msm8916-common: update blobs

- Msm8916-common: Add harpia to android.mk

- (Dual Sim and Audio in call fixed)

Downloads:

December 21
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
Good job friend, thank you.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nick more:
The end of call bug is fixed
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
¿Tú puedes subir la ROM a otro servidor como mega o google drive por favor?

You can upload the ROM to other server please?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
Awesome awesome. Thanks for letting us know. That's really the only problem I found with the previous release. Gonna give this a try when I get home tonight
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] redbull 4:
Installed it's running great.thanx

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I installed it it's running great thanks

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Everything seems to work
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Mark963:
Is this going to get released to somewhere that anyone can download it? Or can someone tell me how to contact the Jira admin to get access?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RBN_1:
Installed it just now... Just awesome.. Thnx a lot awesome update:victory:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
It's in the first post.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
Working without any major bugs

very very nice... gud work bro.. all settings and app seems to be working perfect except file manager which is nt showing important folders in sd card....... except for this . evrything else seems to work fine.. no trouble at all in call,sendings sms,multiwindow even though some apps displays its nt supported msg bt works fine..awesome work bro..
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Mark963:
OK, I don't know what was going on - I must have been doing something stupid. I still even have the tabs open and for some reason the links didn't work for me before but now the download worked fine and the phone is up and running! Very nice!!

I don't know that it means anything, but I ran Benchmark OS II and it reports the Web score dropped form 550 to 10. The processor, memory and graphics are about the same as before.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you!

Should I be getting notifications that an update is available?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Death_GM:
Is it possible to use led light as a notification light?

Thxx :good:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] XMoDuLeSx:
Works great thanks
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] spiked_mistborn:
VoLTE calling on T-Mobile is now working on the 12/21 build! Nice work!
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] varikap:
Sorry for my language

From Spain

It works very well

The network in XT1602 (dual sim) is not 4G, it stays in LTE

Thank you
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mario156090:
The deep sleep not work for ever.

Enviado desde mi Moto G Play mediante Tapatalk
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RBN_1:
May be thats because the phone itself supports only LTE and not true 4g

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I replied to [MENTION=1307693]varikap[/MENTION] ...sorry didn't see the next post
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
bro lte means 4g ..bth are the same..only slight diff
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RBN_1:
Yea bro I mean I read on the internet that there is some speed difference...but true doesn't make much difference:)
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
I have a doubt actually .. does cm 14.1 has themes features?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] cvbrt:
The LTE name means the network is 4G.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] varikap:
Okay, I understand, thanks.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jestyr8:
Only issue I've found so far is when trying to access SIM card settings it FC. US Cellular xt1607
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] K.E.:
Yeah, this would be really, really great! In my eyes a killer feature for most users for switching from stock to custom.

Devs, please see sgace2's post in the Squid Kernel thread, that might be helpful: http://xdaforums.com/g4-play/develo...to-g4-play-t3496641/post70130045#post70130045
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
I can try but i don't know if it will work.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
[MENTION=5881993]RolanDroid[/MENTION].. can u bring night mode toggle in status bar also.. its annoying to use app from playstore and all.. plz if u can..
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] spiked_mistborn:
12/21 build - VoLTE call connects but there is no audio when connected through Bluetooth - then it rebooted. There is call audio on 3G through Bluetooth, but the call will not disconnect. Discovered this while driving, but at least GPS navigation works fine. I'll attempt to do a fresh install and get logs sometime in the next couple days.

Does anyone know if harpia has a sensor controller similar to surnia that might make things like wake on proximity sensor or twist for camera possible at some point in the future? I thought I saw some cm14.1 commits recently related to this.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] AndroidX:
Awesome all are wrkg great.

!!Thanks [MENTION=5881993]RolanDroid[/MENTION] for your Hard Work!!:D
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
a bit of offtop, but will the development of the build continue next year?

because the founder left the company and a message on the official website https://cyngn.com/blog/cyanogen-services-shutting-down:

"As part of the ongoing consolidation of Cyanogen, all services and Cyanogen-supported nightly builds will be discontinued no later than 12/31/16. The open source project and source code will remain available for anyone who wants to build CyanogenMod personally."
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] n76:
This is the big thing that has kept me on the stock ROM. To confirm: Are you on US T-Mobile? And how does one verify that a call is actually using VoLTE?

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I believe I have noticed a Bluetooth handsfree issue on VoLTE calls using the stock ROM so it might be something non-specific to CM.

At least I had no sound when I had data enabled and the phone showed LTE and later with data turned off there was no problem. Very small sample size and I am new to both this phone and LTE so I could be mistaken.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
That's for CyanogenOS, not Cyanogenmod.

*Edit*

Well, they were very vague when they first announced it. Turns out XDA wrote a post and CM is going to apparently cease to exist and a new OS, LineageOS is going to be their next project. At least that's the current news going around right now.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] AndroidX:
They r just stopping build new cyangoen supported nightly builds coz now they start a new OS its name LineageOS.

LineageOS Team Reported :- So, yes, this is us. LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was. To quote Andy Rubin, this is the definition of open. A company pulling their support out of an open source project does not mean it has to die.Check back for more information on Tuesday. -Lineage Team.

So can say cyanogen now death
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] redbull 4:
Amazon does it
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jpmaster:
First impressions of 21/12 build

I bought a XT 1602 2 weeks ago and waited for cm 14.1 to mature a little more.

With the third build, I thought it was time to take the step and try the rom.

After unlocking the boot loader, flashing TWRP and flashing logo.bin to eliminate that annoying warning, I flashed 21/12 build and open Gapps pico.

After rebooting, I installed some apps and start to explore the rom.

The overall performance is good and fluid, with no major lags.

All basic functions (wifi, Bluetooth, GPS, call making and receiving, SMS, etc.) work well.

My phone is dual-sim but I haven't tested the second slot, although it is detected.

First impression is good for now.

Things to improve: notifications light, present in cm 14.1 for Surnia.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
I have a noob question about installing cyan 14.1 on moto g4 play (xt1602).

Right now mine has an unlocked bootloader , twrp recovery and root. I did backups before and after unlocking the bootloader. I also tried to get rid of bloatware on the phone, which resulted in settings app crashes (when i try to go settings - apps). I am going to flash logo.bin before flashing cyan, too.

So, I wanted to confirm the right sequence of my actions:

1. download 21.12 build from the thread

2. put it to the memory and flash from twrp

3. install gapps (google play, gmail, contacts sync, calendar sync).

Am I right? or do I first return to stock recovery, reset my phone, flash twrp again and then flash cyanogenmod?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
If you already have TWRP flashed, then you don't need to flash the stock recovery and reset. Also since you have backups you also won't need to reset your phone. After transferring the rom and gapps to your memory, boot into TWRP and select wipe, and just simple swipe to factory reset. Then install the rom followed by the gapps, reboot, and then afterwards restore your backup after the first boot. Hope it helps! I remember my first few times flashing, the good old days. xD
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
I do not know, if these are bugs or my actions.

1. During the initial setup couldn't go through after skipping "Sim missing" and "sign in to google account". After I press "Skip" in both cases, the initial setup would send me back to "sim missing". Solved it by signing in to my google account.

2. MTP file transfer is not available, although phone is charging when connected to pc (didn't know there is a LED light, left at the bottom.)
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] motojunky:
No need to revert back to stock recovery. Just wipe data using twrp recovery. Flash cyanogen14. 1 mod and flash gapps Pico version
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Modder001:
An off topic

But can we see CyanPop again ? [MENTION=5881993]RolanDroid[/MENTION]

It was great in my Moto E

Thanks and don't kill me for off topic
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] fireball0093:
When you connect your phone to your pc, swipe down the notification shade once and look for USB charging this device. Tap on it and it should have a transfer files option
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Nope
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
Update: it solved somehow. Yesterday mtp wasn't possible, today it works.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] massalami:
Rom works Great so far. Thanks a lot for the amazing work
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] XMoDuLeSx:
Should we wait for a new LineageOS build?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
well, i suppose it's going to take a while.

for now - cyan 14.1 is working almost perfectly.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] PatC11:
Having to reinstall apps

I'm having to reinstall numerous apps that keep stopping after installing this ROM and restoring data backup. They seem to work fine after reinstalling, but it sort of defeats the purpose of the backup.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Ashutosh Sundresh:
So what you gonna do:crying:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Ashutosh Sundresh:
[MENTION=7069194]barreto500[/MENTION] what is there to thank about it. This is terrible:crying:
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DanHutchins:
He is thanking the dev for his hard work. It takes a lot of time and effort to make completely stable there are only a few builds so there are bound to be bugs if you can't respect that you should not be on XDA.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Ashutosh Sundresh:
No,no

He thanked my post on R.I.P Cyanogen, which was sad and not to be thanked about. I didn't say anything about the ROM though, it is quite good and I appreciate that someone is doing this for a phone that is ignored. Look at the post above what you are talking about. Look how sad that is and look who thanked it. That was the post about R.IP Cyanogen and barreto500 thanked it. So nothing about the ROM.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DanHutchins:
My bad was just skimming through and assumed it was about the ROM since this is the thread for it. But I can admit that I was wrong and apologies.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Ashutosh Sundresh:
It's OK
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Marcos60001:
There's no need to go back to stock recovery for this.

You can reset your phone by the Wipe option on TWRP. Before you install it, you'll want to do an Advanced Wipe, format data, cache, and system partitions. Don't format internal storage unless you need it, as it doesn't affect the installation.

*Then* you install the build and GApps from your SD card or what have you.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] massalami:
Also, if you do format internal storage, make sure you have the Rom files on an external SD card otherwise you're screwed lol.

:D
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
Thank you for your advices, but my phone is running cyan for almost a week now
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] zeeBomb:
How is this ROM guys? Any issues you guys are receiving? This is on CAF right? [MENTION=3891514]massalami[/MENTION] [MENTION=7132047]haher2[/MENTION] [MENTION=4986606]PatC11[/MENTION] [MENTION=6889348]jpmaster[/MENTION]
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
do not know what is caf, but so far cm runs smooth on my xt1602. haven't checked 3g/lte though, as i so not need an internet package on my current sim. network and messengers work fine, wi-fi too. one of the apps of mine don't, and i think the reason is cm itself, but it doesn't seem an issue to me.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] massalami:
No issues here at all tbh. Everything working fine, including 4g/lte and WiFi. Phone is smooth as hell and the dev did a wonderful job tbh.

No complaints at all. Xt1602 here btw
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] thanhvx:
Does anyone able to show weather temperature on Status bar? Mine does not show up.

Tks
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
I might be wrong but I believe GravityBox or something of the like did this, you can try this if Xposed/GB have been made to work with Nougat, if there is no stock option to enable this.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Gokulb1:
Its there in rr rom..bt its a little buggy.. even if u disable it it comes back ..
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Rom updated

this is the final version,happy new year to all!
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
I can't seem to find a changelog anywhere, what's new in the 12/29 build?

EDIT: Nevermind, read the first post
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Just merged latest cm and msm8916 sources

So reverted volte and updated blobs from squid2.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
Wait does this mean volte is no longer going to work or am I just interpreting this wrong?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] zeeBomb:
Does this have CAF support?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] RolanDroid:
Yes: https://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/178733/
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
Sounds good. Not a problem for me since I only use 3g anyway. Thanks again for the work you've done!
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
I use the build from 21/12. There is an issue with a Moto camera app. the app crashes when i try to record a video. However, in the gallery i can see every video i recorded before the crash (1-2 second long videos). Does this happen to 29/12 build? Can somebody check, please? Or is it common to any side camera apps?

additional question:

how long does it take you to charge your phone with CM 14.1? When I bought mine, there were a phone (XT1602), a battery and a charger (like here - https://youtu.be/_0d59aRayQY?t=18). No usb cables, no earphones, no additional back covers.

Today i've noticed that it takes very long time to charge it. from 46% to 98% it took little bit more than 3 hours. I received and sent a dozen of whatsapp messages by the end of charging, but no other use.

So, is it a problem of the rom (cm build 21/12), the charger, the soccet or the phone itself

unfortunately, haven't measured how long it takes to charge on stock rom.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
Using the stock CM camera app I'm fine, also OpenCamera works great as well. I'll have to download the moto camera to see if it persists there as well.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
i've tried open camera. it takes photos, video. but when i pressed the button of going to gallery, both apps froze. couldn't even kill in task manager, none would launch again. after i uninstalled open camera, gallery works fine again.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jasonmerc:
Does the stock CM camera work though?
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] haher2:
yes, stock works without issues.
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] squid2:
Official LineageOS

For those who haven't been following the LineageOS gerrit or github, we have been working in the background to get harpia in order for Lineage 14.1. All the necessary bits have been merged into the official trees, so you can build for harpia with official Lineage sources and blobs from TheMuppets. You'll probably be getting official builds starting in a month or so. The harpia device repo is here: https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_motorola_harpia
[Moto G4 Play ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Subhrajyoti Sen:
Thank you so much sir!

By the way is the VoLTE revert temporary?