yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Cheaper, didn't want to apply for another line of credit, couldn't get another line of credit, had them in stock compared to the play store. Hoped against hope.

I think most of the people (at least that let it upgrade to 7.1.1) weren't that informed going in, not following blogs and what not.

Still see people on Reddit popping in asking how to unlock on a Verizon one running 7.1.1.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Please keep the Verizon discussion in threads dedicated towards Verizon's bootloader. There are lots of them.

:good:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Jammol:
Is this your thread? And how does the Verizon discussion not related to development which is what this thread is about? Please, measure your stick somewhere else.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bostonbassman78:
My thoughts exactly
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Jammol:
That's crap gets really annoying man, but oh well.

To the OP, I share your same thoughts about the develop.ent, but I came to realize that on a device such as this, all the Roms are literally the same, with the very same customizations under different names.

That's not to say that the work isn't appreciated, but at the end of the day, they are all pretty much the same. :good:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bostonbassman78:
Honestly i really haven't felt the urge with this phone to want to root or unlock it I mean if we can get the Verizon version unlocked and rooted on the latest build I'll be all for it lol
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Jammol:
Yeah that would be nice. I was rooted and running PN but went back to stock because of Substratum issues and had to RMA the device because of the microphone hardware problem. Haven't done anything to the new device as yet.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bostonbassman78:
Is PN beans ROM ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Archangel:
I would have to agree,,,while the development is def appreciated, most of the roms are the same just with a different name. Some are so close in fact that the same options that dont work,,,dont work across the board LOL.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Jammol:
Yeah it is. Good solid ROM without the stuff that doesn't work. :good:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bostonbassman78:
I was running his ROMs on the last couple phones I owned
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] 5.1:
Substratum works as I tended now... :good:

I really like the stock look & feel and just enough customization.

Running on a N6, N6P yet. Now on Pixel XL. Never disappointed!

Cheers...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abduleo77:
Screwed is very similar features wise.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] chuna004@hawaii.rr.com:
Newest Screw'd is running 7.1.2
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Newest shrewd is running great. Tested it for 2 days. Fast and stable. Lots of features.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Looks like DU just released 7.1.2 also.

Gonna check 'em both out to see if aptX works on AOSP now. :good:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Wacky2bakky:
Do we need to be on official 7.1.2 first before flashing a rom that's based on 7.1.2 or no?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
It's recommended but not required.

You will need to flash the matching 7.1.2 vendor.img though for best reliability.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Wacky2bakky:
Ok thanks. Where abouts do we find the screwed rom for Pixel xl?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ikenvape:
Can't directly link, but if you were to Google screw'd rom. It will take you to their G+ page. Find devices a few posts down

and look up Marlin.

Ah hell, let someone edit my post if need be.

Here you go http://dl.screwdandroid.com/devices/
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Wacky2bakky:
Found it thank u. Is the vendor image that's listed on that page the one we need to flash as well? I am downloading the screw'd beta version with the date 04072017
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Wacky2bakky:
Screenshot
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Flashed the vendor from screwed and all fine.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] chuna004@hawaii.rr.com:
Yes that's the one N2G47J.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Bruce lee roy:
Been so please with stock haven't felt need to flash. Primary reason i eventual will is for dark themes.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kinetx:
i've noticed very very few roms being based on aosp source (as was the case with n6p etc), mostly LOS/CM. no complaints - very greatful to all the devs that do this for free with no $ reward. just wondering what could be behind this?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] hokiealumnus:
Basically, LOS as a base is easier. They handle the base and keeping it up to date. They handle most (though not all, and for sure not the Pixels yet) device trees too.

Because of that latter fact, LOS-based teams like ours can get around and build for new devices generally faster, because all we need to do is iron out the device tree and work out any device specific issues (i.e. needing to include Gapps).

So, right now, you see stock-based ROMs and LOS-based ROMs, for nearly the same reasons.

So, why no/few AOSP ROMs? Because of the LOS benefits, many widely released ROMs use it instead. There are AOSP teams, but not as many any more. That leaves AOSP development to generally independent device owners or less widely released ROMs. The pool of them just isn't as big, so that leads to the situation you have now, especially in newer devices.

At least that's how I have reasoned it out in my head. I have no data to back any of that up, just what I feel from what I've seen.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kinetx:
thanks for the detailed reply! it certainly makes sense. keep up the good work. :good:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
It's really not a benefit type Of thing. It is more a simplicity type Of thing. As there is very little development needed if Los has everything you need. Aosp rims tend to be more development based where they make new features as to where Los based roms are more kitchen sink kinda rom. A Los base with a bunch of cherry picked features.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Unholy ROM:

https://plus.google.com/communities/104072190201254314186

I don't have any experience with these folks.

Just noticed them while I was trolling for some Broken goodness.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
It flashes just fine. Based on AOSP, so it's got a working Google Camera.

Several features included already even though it's just an initial experimental release.

No SlimRecents, I hope they add that.

And I can't seem to engage the feature that lets you customize notifications but maybe I just haven't found that yet.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reechings:
Less features than Screwd?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Unholy.

Never heard of it. Will try that later today. Even so I always get back to Velo. Just too fast and stable:)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] micr0g:
Nothing can compare the stock smoothness .

We need a rom like cataclysm.That's it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Stock smoothness :)

That's funny
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] LurknLoad:
I've looked for Velocity before and all I could find was the file. Is there a web page or forum? Thx.

Edit: After finding/posting the link, I read on that thread that it was not to be posted here. So I removed the link I had posted. But it's easy to find if you look.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Look in my folder post 2.

There is a newer one
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DaveHTC200:
I tried the latest one but couldn't get it to pass the setup wizard
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Use latest banks gapps
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DaveHTC200:
Thank you! Where are they found, couldn't find anything in his androiddownload area!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
Absolutely agree. Just returned to stock after being on the custom ROM circuit for a bit and stock feels noticeably more fluid.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Then you definitely flashed the wrong custom

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=171925
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
Yeah, that seems unlikely.

Hard to believe that a giant software company, who put thousands and thousands of hours into optimizing the software of a device maybe got it right the first time. Pretty bizarre idea, I know...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Code is always improving. If you think no google device has ever needed improvements then you never owned a Galaxy Nexus.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Every big companies goal is stability before speed. That's why they don't optimize that much.

The only Google fully optimized rom is Google Master. It's by far the fastest out there but it's very unstable.

If stock is fine for you just use it. Maybe you may not feel the difference on your normal use.

But trust me, I am flashing all roms out there for every device I owned so far and you just flashed the wrong roms.

Even using a custom kernel is improving stock.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dutchy716:
Where is your folder? I want to check out some velocity goodness.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] micr0g:
No it's not funny pal,i can't try velocity like you because I'm sailfish user,so stock is smoother than anything and I mean scrolling not opening apps,what do you mean with Google master;it's a branch or a rom?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] FernBch:
Not to derail here but I am custom searching currently. I too am on sailfish and find it quite buggy. I get RR's and have WiFi connection issues on every build of sailfish. Each new build is installed clean in the hopes of the issue finally going away. So much for Google and silky smoothness.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Also lets not forget about the BT issues, smart lock location, OK Google Detection, camera halo..

But who cares right because I can swipe between home screens super fast.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
Yeah, but this isn't 2011 and we're not talking about the Galaxy Nexus. What makes the Pixel such an important device is that it showed a level of performance and optimization once thought impossible in an Android device and set a new standard in doing so. I've been a member of this site since before Android existed. I've flashed countless custom ROMs and kernels to countless phones. It's my opinion that the Google Pixel does not benefit from a custom ROM. It's smoothness, speed, resilience, and reliability have all been sacrificed to some degree with each custom ROM I've used. Kudos to all the developers and I'm grateful for their time but, for the time being, I think bone stock is the way to go.

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I suppose we'll just agree to disagree. This started because you suggested custom ROMs were smoother than stock and that simply has not been my experience. I don't care why big companies haven't optimized in the past, though I am happy HTC and now Google are now paying attention to things like UI smoothness, dropped frames, and touch latency.

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None of which is resolved in a custom ROM...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
You missed the whole point. It's about the irony of saying the software is perfect right now, only one of those is a hardware issue, and if you think they are issues that users aren't experiencing on stock software, then confirmation bias has over shadowed logic and there is no point in continuing this.

In one statement you say the software is perfect because they spent thousands of dollars working on it, on the other hand there are many users dealing with imperfections everyday. Hyperbole is one thing until you try to justify it with arbitrary dollar amounts as if that is irrefutable proof of the previous statement. Unless you know, it's 2011. So does your statement become untrue in 2023 since now time is a factor over (subjective) "perfection"?

Further more "smooth" isn't functionality. I rather have a functional phone than one that transitions through the app drawer all buttery smooth.

Heck if "smoothness" is a characteristic worth arguing over then you may as well get an iPhone because they are still beating out Android in that department.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
Lol, no my friend, you missed the point. You have an interesting style of discussion; you falsely claim I make certain statements then decide to debate those, it's like you're debating your imaginary friend.

I never stated the software was "perfect." All I said was stock was smoother than the custom ROMs I've tried. That's it. There was never a mention of bugs and stability or lack there of. I'm not going to discuss the matter of perfect software because I never suggested this was the case, I simply mentioned that Google devoted significant time and resources into optimizing the device to obtain iPhone like smoothness and fluidity - something that seems to be somewhat lost in custom ROMs.

I also never said anything about smoothness being functionality. I mentioned reliability, resilience, smoothness and speed. Let me explain:

Reliability - I experienced several random reboots in my 6 weeks of using custom ROMs. I experienced ZERO random reboots in the several months prior while running stock. I know there are people experiencing reboots on stock software, I am not one of them and my reboots seemed to correlate with custom software. Additionally, I had a few occasions where my camera would not open without rebooting first, never happened on stock. While stock isn't perfect, in my experience, custom ROMs were less reliable than stock.

Resilience - on custom ROMs there seemed to be buildup of lag and jank over time. Not an issue on stock. The software simply doesn't seem as resilient after several weeks of use.

Smoothness and speed - already discussed, though I'm not sure stock is any faster, just more fluid and pleasant to use.

In the end, custom ROMs offer some neat additional tweaks and options, with perhaps mild increases in "functionality" over stock. For me, these additions are not worth the associated instability and decreased smoothness that I experienced.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Hours equals money. An hour is worth more than a dollar.

Getting something right the first time, pretty much stating that there is nothing that needs to be changed, for simplicity purposes "perfect".

Unless you are saying it wasn't done right the first time?

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Didn't say you said smoothness is functionality. I stated I value functionality over it.

I have had zero reboots on PN, does that mean people don't? Nope. You not having reboots on stock also doesn't mean people don't. Anecdotal on both accounts.

Again you make a very definite statement of "no lag on stock". Well there are plenty of users mentioning instances of slow down and lock ups on stock just on Reddit alone. I'm not saying it's a systemic problem but it does happen.

You keep making these very definite statements but really it's just opinion based on your use which all feeds back into the statement of "Google got it right the first time".

Heck if that was the case we would still be 7.1.

You seem to think I'm saying ROMs are better when really I'm arguing the idea that there is no room for improvement simply because Google did it.

Wouldn't be a need to pay devs to find exploits if they "maybe got it right the first time".

Crazy idea I know.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
Nice try, man. You're inferring waaaaay too much. The conversation was never about bugs, stability, or perfection - it was about smoothness, nothing more, nothing less. Given the conversation was only about smoothness, my comments about optimization we're in regards to that subject, and that subject alone and were based on statements from Google about the time and effort that went into creating that smooth experience.

I never stated anything as fact. I recognize users are having issues on the stock firmware and I'm not surprised - It's a complex OS with a significant number of hardware variables. I understand there are some hiccups in performance on the stock ROM, even my iPhone would slow down from time to time. My only point was that IN MY EXPERIENCE (which I clearly stated several times), the stock ROM offers more smoothness, reliability and resilience over custom ROMs.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
No nice try, actually proves my point about software completely.

You can't state "maybe got it right the first time. crazy idea right" then shift gears to "It's a complex OS..... I understand there are some hiccups in performance on the stock ROM" without acknowledging the original statement is a bit of an embellishment.

And yes the conversation did start with how smooth the UI is but that alone doesn't define a phone and YOU mentioned reliability in terms of lag and reboots. Not me. I just argued that is a pointless argument since it can be found both in stock and custom roms.

Code isn't simply "right the first time".
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
I understood it that way. My problem was that I had the opposite feeling you had. Scrolling is so much better for me on Velocity than stock and worst thing is my homescreens. I have 3 homescreens with 7 widgets and on stock after a reboot it took about 30 secs till all are loaded. Now it's only 8 secs. But that's the problem with Android. One is totally fine with stock and another one just hates it. Same with roms and especially kernel. Some user think this one is fast and perfect and another user have lags, so every device is different and the apps the user installed, too.

If you are fine with stock just stay on it. For me the custom I use is superior in every aspect.

And just stay calm everybody.

This is really nothing to fight about. After all its just a phone, a very good one, but just a phone☺️
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] 5.1:
Hey,

This is exactly what I have in mind.

There is no "best ROM". Either stock, stock based, aosp, etc...

The best ROM is the one you like!

Also, now you talk about it, half of the threads i read in the Pixel forum lately end up with people fighting or denigrate each others opinions.

Cheers...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mikaole:
Yes that's what xda is today. Was much more fun in the old windows mobile days before Android :)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mlin:
In regards to THE ONLY THING I was talking about, they did get it right. I'm done with this conversation.

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You make a good point, and that's where the infinite hardware and software variables play a role. Maybe I should have been more clear that my statements were only in regards to my own experiences. I'm not familiar with Velocity, perhaps I'll give it a go after the next security update. I miss the good ole days when 95% of custom ROMS were available here on xda. Now I'm not sure the best way to find an extensive list of available ROMs. Do you have a link to Velocity by chance?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zelendel:
Ok guys look, that is enough really. To each their own. Some have been finding stock roms to suit them and then you will have those that say a stock rom will never be good enough. One is not better then the other on any way. It is all up to the person and device.

So lets live and let live. Enjoy what you have or mod the heck out of it while you still can.

Also I agree. The pre-android days were the golden days of mobile development.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] 5.1:
Although i owned other devices previously, I only started modding in 2008 with an HTC Vision. It was quite nice yet... :(

I never felt the need of posting before as I tend to find infos by myself. I started posting to help people mostly. I should have started earlier. I would probably have enjoyed it more.

Cheers...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kinetx:
hey bro - found Velocity marlin rom on AFH. do you maintain a thread or such anywhere that i can check for changelogs etc? (g+, devs-base?)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Unholy seems pretty close to Screwe'd in terms of features.

From what I remember anyways.

Unholy was recommended to me by a Broken OS moderator.

Man, I would absolutely love to have Broken on my Pixel.

The automatic day/night theme capability from Broken is sweet.

Has anyone seen any Pixel XL ROM's yet with auto day/night theme option?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
Flashed Screwed's latest.

Phenomenal

.

Google Camera 30fps video works too (LOS based ROM).

I'll be sticking with this for a while since RR's dev has a busy life ATM.

Anyone else find any new and interesting ROM's lately that aren't posted on XDA?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] LurknLoad:
It's not really new, but Dirty Unicorns has been running great for me for the last week. Best battery life I've seen so far.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reechings:
Has Screwd added any features? Last time I used it it didn't have any real lockscreen font manipulation and was missing some other things here and there that RR has. Video wise I've gone to using 4K video since I figured it will hold up better for viewing at a time in the future. Any more word on the storage being used up for Google even though Photos says it's unlimited?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CZ Eddie:
It's got at least 90% of the customization mods that RR has.

I'm not sure about lockscreen font though, and unfortunately I uninstalled the little app Screwed uses to make mods. Got a little too crazy with my debloating. :laugh:

So I can't check for you.

I want the smaller video size because I have a 32GB phone and don't use picture uploading.

I'm done with RR until camera is fixed.

Tired of the camera randomly crashing and sometimes not even taking pictures even when it thinks it is.

30FPS crashing was just the biggest issue.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
Screwed isnt LOS based:)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jws86:
You have screw'd flashed to your Pixel? I thought it wasn't for Marlin?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reechings:
http://dl.screwdandroid.com/devices/marlin/BETA/
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jws86:
Thanks!

Anyone running the BETA or the officials?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Reechings:
Beta has always been great for me when I've ran it. Screwd pretty much has the most options of any AOSP based ROMs I've tried.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
My favorite rom so far. I tried PA for a bit yesterday but wasn't impressed compared to screwed. Seemed a bit jittery, ran hot, and my substratum themes all locked up when trying to apply
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jws86:
Any tips on install? I had some issues installing Pure Nexus.

Anything specific that needs to be done with this ROM? Probably going to attempt tomorrow.