yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] mehegazy:
Why don't you guys make a solution

Hey beast,

Why don't you developer make a credits section in your roms that is listing your names and all your comments.

I'm not a developer, but let me give an idea, why don't you create a program, that makes a watermark comment on the todays screen, which makes it clear to everyone that this rom is free and nmt for sale, and calling everyone that purchase this rom to contact you guys through the xda-developers web site.

it is just an idea, and I'm sure that most of the guys here is supporting you and the other developers for the great work
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
Ive found the same when i set up htc-devs.com (when the ftp was wiped of m$ files)

I concur, In since i started developing my total donations are barely double digits (<£50) people think that things should be handed to them on a golden platter, and when they are not 100% to thier satisfaction that you shoudl put it right, immediately, but they would never consider donating :mad:

my 2p
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] unapproachable2kx:
I am not a developer too..or not considering me in that sort of group,because of the amount of time I spend in this (about 1-2hrs a week).

Just customized a Rom to my needs and I will be glad to share if someone wants it,freely!

Every person needs to find a good balance to Private life and Rom Developement,etc.. If this development is such time consuming,calm down..review your time!

Don't pretend donations (they are always appreciated but not to be Pretended or cast something up)

Development (and programming in general) in this forum are passions that we share together..
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] responderman:
I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.

Respectfully

Jay
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] TehPenguin:
Thats a good point to note as well - Hosting cost me money, but it also costs the people who host this forum money. So, I wonder how many people have noticed the Donate link at the top of this page (near the Wiki link)...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] sergsgs:
Disagree with Beastie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally disagree with Beastie on this matter! If you take a look at the installed software on that Uni it has SPB Finance, Weather and Pocket Plus retailing at 70$ as well as a quite long list of other appz. More than that what we do here isn't fully legal either or at least moral. For example in our ROMs we include software that we do not have a licence or any right to use like MSVoiceCommand, MSOffice, HTC Stuff etc, etc, if you compare this to a PC it would be like buying a PC with Win98 then taking a copy(image) of a friend WinXP(with Office, and other apps) and loading it on your one. Do you thing this is right? And also if someone would do the same and sell this "New" PC complain about it. You develop for your own fun and hobby. If you decided to share something not very moral with others, don't complain when someone does something that is not fully moral by your judgement. Morality or legality of this matter is a subjective matter. And do understand the concept of open source. I'm coming from a Mozilla exdeveloper background. And Mozilla is used in numerous commercial applications with proper credits. You have no right to claim that someone used your work to make money on it, as you are using someone else work in your own interests (name, hobby, any reason). You have your reasons to make just what that guy did for his reasons(in his case money). One thief is judjung another!!! How moral is that??? Of course you do develop your own tools and enchacements, BUT on top of a STOLEN OS!!! Microsoft, HTC,etc invested money and time in their developers, designers, markeing depts. to bring this OS to life, and if they decide they don't want to give it for free it is their choice as a business model. You do not have the right to steal this OS tweak it and claim that it is YOUR and someone should pay you for this. Look a the whole picture not that just some guy used the ROM you dont own but tweaked it and claim it is yours.

PS. Last night i posted my 1st ever ROM on this forum wich is as vanilla as possible(for me), the reasons behind postin it here was exactly that. Anyone can download it and tweak it to his own use, or install new soft one it, new soft keybd, new media player, fast GPS soft etc, etc. I didn't own that OS, I took it of Thingonasping wich took it from someone else. You spend a some time and money in "developing" "your" ROMs, corporations spend billions on that, and someone comes along and steals it. Now that person do not have the need to upgrade his device anymore as "his" new OS will keep him happy for a while. How much damage do you do then to even HTC themselves who didn't sell another unit as their potential customer didn't buy it cos he's got his old device new features(without permision from legal developer).

PS. And how do you know or are so sure that he used "Your" ROM? Maybe he took your kitchen and compiled it, (wich in your view and interpretation), makes it "His" ROM now, isn't it?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
I feel sorry for the poor sod who will buy this Universal:

1. As far as legality is concerned, any stolen goods doesn't pass the title of ownership to the buyer. Even though the buyer is unaware of this theft and he/she is innocent, the ownership title doesn't pass to him/her. A case in point about Spb software on the phone, which we are assuming installed on the phone illegally.

2. To add to this the poor sod's nightmare, he/she will be lumbered with Windows Mobile 6 with full of bugs. For sure it won't have video calling.

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
As far as hosting site is concerned, I would recommend to Tehpugin to close it down. There are many, many hosting sites on the internet. One such free site is Rapidshare!

My preference is to give the feedback in the original thread the ROM is posted. This allows all the user the benefit of participating and solving problems, which in the first place might not be related to the ROM itself.

Enough said!

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] thingonaspring:
@beasty

Crappy thought it is, I don't think there's much we can do about people selling cooked roms as a value-add on an ebay auction.

My fear is that flagging this up to ebay/press/law will just serve to highlight the "grey" territory we develop in. I think we probably just have to suck it up.

Instead - why not turn our annoyance on the fact that people aren't donating. I don't want one red cent from users, but those who spend their own money on this community should be reimbursed.

@Midget

Is there anything that can be done to create a "bucket" donation fund for this whole forum with some of the cash going to tehpenguin? (assuming there ever is any cash that is)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] sergsgs:
Take a look at last 10 donations. Average it per day. Put a lest value on each. Multiply by 360. It comes to a 4 digit figure. I think it is more than enough to pay the host. Or someone is just trying to make a living out of it? Be real. If you give something away for free, do not demant something back for it.

This forum is for everybodys benefit, not for someones profit!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] thingonaspring:
"I don't want one red cent from users"

Which part of this sentence is giving you the most trouble?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] faraz.riaz:
I have one question for you? Is your IQ level above 60 or below? They don’t care about the money or else they will be selling ROM’s on eBay themselves. There is a thing called being dumb and then there is just being stupid. I know it will be hard for you to understand me because I am really above your IQ level, but since you seem to be really good in Math’s when was the last time you donated for the Rom’s you use? These people are not asking for money the thread was created to aware people that some scammers are trying to sell their ROM’s on eBay and making money from their hard work. Now if you didn’t understand anything you can always come back and ask and I will get to call you stupid once again.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] sergsgs:
I don't think my IQ is in any way below yours. Cos I do not call you stupid by expressing your oppinion on this forum(this is why is called forum). Asking for donations is call Begging, if it is to call ask for donations in a single word. More than that you haven't got the right insult me in this way for my opinion, if someone should it could be the people who do ask for donations. I haven't donated yet, but only last few days was thinking of doing it. I do have the deepest respect towards people developing this ROMS, BUT at the end of the day it is their own choice and if they do decide to share their work with others it is unconditional. It isn't nice to hear something like "I developed this for all of you for free, but DONATE something back PLEASE!" I shouldn't even reply to your insulting post, but just to make my point about unconditionality of the ROMs against the donations i've written the above.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] faraz.riaz:
Now that can’t be true I do have a very high IQ level and that’s the way I like it. What are you talking about I never insulted you? If I was trying to insult you I would have done a better job and I know for a fact then you wouldn’t have a come back. You really want to take on me because if you do then you have to bring your game to a whole new level. Now you are not playing fair you think the developers beg for donations? The only begging I seen is people begging the developers we want to have flash disk, better phone skins, and blah blah!. I don’t know who are you trying to make your point to but I can tell you something they aren’t getting your point. Now don’t be jealous anyone can make a mistake and you can apologize and we will be buddies once again. Whisper so no one else think you are stupid the thread was to warn people that some people are trying to sell these free ROMs on eBay and something should be done to stop that. You can go and read the every first post and then just pretend you didn’t see it the first time. See we are best bud already. You can still consider that donation because these people have done a lot of work for people like you. :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] sergsgs:
I really do not care about how high is your IQ or how does it compares to mine. A thread was started and I wanted to express my opinion in it. Thats all. If it isn't the same as yours it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it is just different. You haven't directly called me stupid or dumb, but implied that indirectly about me. It is just a different oppinion than yours. What I tried to say and you couldn't get it with your high IQ is that: 1.Donations - unconditional 2.Selling modified devices on ebay - nothing wrong with that. Maybe you couldn't get it cos I explained myself in a manner that is a way below your IQ level, or maybe you just like to think that you are always right and noone else have the right to have another opinion. As for being buddies, I didn't even thought we are fighting. You just tried to make your point by trying to intimidate me and impose you point of view. Also Beastie should take this as a compliment cos the guy wasnt selling the ROM itself, but a device with a ROM on it. And if he being in "business" decides to put beasties rom on it as added value against microsoft one(for stability, features,gui, etc.) , it should be overseen only as a compliment for his work.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] phycho:
Hey guys - i have been a lurker in this forum for a while and thought i would join in on this debate.

:) firstly, i agree - its bad that lamers on ebay profit from our community we have here. it would be different if the ebayer put credits to the author or at least did not charge any extra for the software the device is running on.

but lets face it - people profit on ebay every day. some people right now are selling nintendo wii's for double or even tripple the cost due to the demand for them. its disgusting, but it happens daily.

all we can do is work as a community and get ebay listings revoked for piracy - however i think our efforts would be better spent on our community working and improving the roms.

i thank all the developers for their hard work bringing us these great roms.

as an addition to the above - if ftp space and fast link is required, admins feel free to give me a pm - i have a server sitting with unlimited traffic on a gigabit link with 500gb+ free space for a company that i do some work for.

so if hosting is required, i can help and provide back to the community.:D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Dear TehPenguin,

I have already suggested to you in my above post # 27, to close down your hosting site. Now you have no excuse and jump on the following suggestion. Also, ask the mods to close down the sticky about your hosting site! :)

By the way, I always wondered how free hosting sites such as Rapidshare make money, by allowing people to download for free 100MB per hour!

Go figure!

Best Regards,

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] TehPenguin:
Rapidshare? Free?? Your joking right???

It might be free to upload a file - if you don't mind the download limitations and it getting removed from RapidShare if no one uses it after 90 days...

It might be free if you don't mind downloading at a abysmal speed, not being able to use a download accelerator (which is vital if you internet connection is unstable)

So please, don't insult my intelligence by calling RapidShare free - because its "free" in the same sense that shareware and nagware are free

All that I ask is that, rather than purchasing a RapidShare account to download ROMs - donate quarter of that to me, quarter to the xda-dev forums and quarter to the develops (and keep the rest for yourself!); then we all benefit!

Citation: http://rapidshare.com/en/premium.html
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Dear TehPenguin,

I never have purchased a Rapidshare account!

I usually download about 500MB from Rapidshare for free on a daily basis. I know many people, who also do the same.

Don't beg for a service for which you have decided to provide and duress people for donations by calling them hypocrites.

There are lots of programs, which ask people for donation for their use. But, they don't use duress!

Period!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] sergsgs:
It would be wise if a moderator would just delete this thread as it is becoming agresive.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] vprince:
TehPenguin,

it is free dear...90% of the users use this as free account.even i am using it.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] wtpelzer:
Lock the thread please....

Hey Midget could you please lock this thread I think it's outlived it's usefulness... I think if you want to donate do so and if not don't it's that simple. :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Carl-htc:
It's not fair

Always it's the same. Some people work and others win. It's not fair. good luck!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] TehPenguin:
Well said

Either way - I will continue offering my hosting (with or without donations)

My only word of advice, which is why I originally posted is this -

Think before you post: "Am I adding something as a valid member of the community, or just jumping on the bandwagon?"

(ps. I apologise to no one. But I thank KOR for the good argument (nice to see something active happening on the forum again...))
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] faraz.riaz:
What you just going to give up? Be a man and take out your guns and settle this in a peaceful manner. That was hardly an argument and what you think he’s right? You just are going to give up on your whole belief system. The thing is “King of Rapture” took the whole donation thing in a totally wrong way. No one was begging for a donation and simply wanted people to realize that hosting does cost too. If they can do anything to help it will be appreciated and I don’t see anything wrong with it. This guy was not trying to beg anyone for any donation and he was just trying to tell you that hosting cost him money and if people can do anything to help him they should. Now I feel truly like the last action hero.:)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Dear TehPenguin,

Thank you for providing such a great service to the members of this community. We are grateful for this!

You are man of honor! :cool:

With respect and regards,

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] TehPenguin:
I would have liked to argue my point - but it'd end up as a flame war, and no one would win.

Much better to step down and let everyone have their own opinions (since thats what a forum is all about...)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] fallenczar:
You my friend, don't have to argue bout anything, you have already proven your credibility by continuing to provide the rom hosting facilities despite of the comments of some members here, kudos to you man.

@King of S*!^ you like rapid**** , good for you . most of the people here hate it.

some advice for you

1)read more

2)post less

3)open your wallet once in a while to thank people like teh penguin

@sergsgs you just posted a pirated M$ rom (eyes widening in horror)...you have been a bad boy, go stand in the corner and ask the lord for forgiveness.

btw do you have any idea how MS delivers its latest build to HTC ...if you are a nice boy then maybe Midget will let you on this secret.

And it is not called begging, it is called "Reminding ungreatful people who have never contibuted anything but want a perticular dialskin or a theme to be bundled with a rom, that making and testing a rom takes time."

For any ****tard who thinks it is right for people to make a quick buck by selling at device a premium ...what can i say you are ****tards

(Midget might ban me for this post but heck , atleast i'm going out with a bang)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] Midget_1990:
MS/HTC dont release it at all, wouldnt be too bad if we had to pay...

Also every universal has a device license for 'Windows Mobile' Therefore none of these roms infringe that.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] faraz.riaz:
Ok now you’re just trying to steal my thunder. I don’t think he will pray to God if he will stand in the corner. He does provide a good service and he shouldn’t have back down because I was going to support him all the way. Just a few people took it the wrong way and I am sure after they come out of their little insecurities they will realize that. You really need to calm down this is hardly your fight and try to be a little less harsh. This was hardly a bang so shouldn’t think about going down yet. :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
With due respect, I disagree master Midget_1990. Every computer has a license for 'Windows'

The license for 'Windows XP' is not good for the license for "Windows Vista'! Period!

With respect and regards,

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] faraz.riaz:
Let me get a coke and popcorns because this form starts to get really interesting. And you should all come out with a really good argument.:D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Haha, a fallen king! No wonder it packs so much venom! :D

Must have missed this:

How embarrassing for the fallen king!

And, must have missed this too!

How pathetic for the fallen king to inflame others! :o
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] fallenczar:
1)Read more

2)Post less
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] beast0898:
Thread is way out of control

Hi guys,

Enough please.

This thread has turned into a slagging match and was not intended for that purpose at all.

As far as licensing, Windows CE has a very different licensing agreement than other MS operating systems, and as Midget correctly stated, the license is purchased as part of the device, and actually licenses the device to use a WindowsCE OS, there is no stipulation of the versioning of the OS.

If this was against copyright, do you not think the site would have been legally removed by now.

Anyway, please no more posts on this thread, it is way out of control and causing huge animosity in this COMMUNITY.

Cheers,

Beasty
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Haha, look who is talking, the fallen king, who has 400 posts to his/her credit.

Why it packs so much vemon! :o

The snake hisses, and the lord cursed the serpent. Thus, the morning star become the fallen king! :o

Haha, just kidding! :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] indra9110:
wow wow wow .... whats happening here ??

indra9110
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] catch-22:
Hi Indra,

You could help take the heat outta here by uploading your "unpublished ROM" instead! :D Will keep everybody busy for a while!

Cheers!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Dear Master Beasty,

Here is just Windows Mobile 6 software at eBay for $125.00, plus $11.50 for shipping! :mad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250197293089

I fully agree with you that as a community we should do something about it! :mad:

The original purpose of this thread was to come up with ideas, what to do about these theft of the software developed for the use of this community only!

Unfortunately, it turned into donations! :mad:

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Whoever, this person is! He/she must be a member of our community!

Now as a community, we must be smarter than him/her. Once, he/she is exposed than the mods need to blacklist his/her IP!

Of course, he/she can hop IP, but those people are also known to the mods who hop IP!

The masters and the mods need to get together and expose this person. I am pretty sure that we have more than one bad apple.

As a whole community we should be smarter than some rotten apples!

With respect and regards,

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] King of Rapture™:
Hi there,

I wrote to this person on December 15, asking the question:

And, his/her answer to me:

Both the question and the answer are posted on eBay on the following link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250197293089

1. I believe that we should flood this person with lots of questions.

2. Mods.... master Midget_1990, can we post a link to this Forum in our question to this person telling him/her that the update is available free on this Forum, thus to expose him/her.

Waiting for reply from the mods!

KOR! :)

BTW, here is the seller store!

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdagadget1
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] TehPenguin:
Maybe we should ask him where he got this "official" upgrade from? Because I'd like to get an "official" version of WM6 on my Xda Exec...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] d_ranade:
Just posted this question to him:

"Who has developed this ROM? do you have the legal right to sell this? Please give the full details of version and build."