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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] slimdick:
[MENTION=5868201]AndropaX[/MENTION]

I checked other custom roms based on Oreo, and unfortunately something is not right in every case, eg Blik does not work.

Only RR Oreo is ok :)

Can you cook some update every quarter ??
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] AndropaX:
No, i don't have device for testing, time and disk space for that.

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cacafaruq:
Any link for RR oreo?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] slimdick:
RR-O-v6.0.0-20180225-libra-Official
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] sis71:
will the ROM get more updates?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] slimdick:
Read the 3rd entry above :p
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] slimdick:
RR-O-v6.1.0-20180623-libra-Unofficial.zip by Vovan77

[MENTION=5868201]AndropaX[/MENTION]

WTF ??
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] hanuraiga:
They have not removed Mi4c and Andropax as Official device and maintainer. Maybe he forgot to tell to RR Team..

And vovan77's build is unofficial. Everyone can compile a rom alongside official rom..
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] chelsea_fc:
how is the rom though?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sebbo06:
There is an updated version by Vovan77

RR-O-v6.1.0-20180624-libra-Unofficial.zip

Anyone tried this?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cris2d2:
It's laggy, like any other Oreo for Mi4C. It doesn't compare to previous Nougat custom builds. But battery is a bit better.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] :
On my phone RR Oreo (20180627) is not laggy at all. It is even smoother than Lineage 14.1. I'm using Gapps pico.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] F3itan:
I have flashed it and I don't have any lags, nor any problems so far. It works great!

I clean flashed it, used open gapps arm 64 for Android 8.1, pico.

Hope it helps!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sebbo06:
For those who didn't notice.

Vovan77 updated RR-O-v6 frequently.

https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=277605

I am on build RR-O-v6.1.0-20180709-libra-Unofficial with no issues.

Security patch level is 5. July 2018.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Fadamaka:
I had problems with this rom, weird freezes and crashes followed with reboot loops. Also someone from russia tried to log into my EA account with my credentials a couple hours after I logged in on this ROM (couple of month ago someoen else tried to login with my id/pw so this might be a really wierdly timed coincidence, but Vovan77 is russian so it feels a little bit sketchy to me). So I went back to the AndropaX's rom from february, that one works fine.

By the way has anyone got the git link for the last official 8.1 rom from AndropaX? I really would like to take a look at it.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] pjy2017:
The official version of mi4c (libra) RR has been discontinued unless AndropaX reopens the RR project on mi4c on GitHub or someone else applies to become the new official maintainer. Otherwise the mi4c RR will not get an official update.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Fadamaka:
I know that but I could find the source code of the Nougat based RR on AndropaX's GitHub page, but I can't find the Oreo version one, the one Vovan77 continued to update unofficially. I am looking for the source code of the RR-O-v6.0.0-20180225-libra-Official.zip a.k.a the last official RR rom.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] celrau:
Man, this is pretty ****ed up if your suspicions turn out to be true, I would double check before posting such allegations. Since no one has published anything significant in a while on xda most people get roms from 4pda.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Fadamaka:
I am sorry. I didn't want to point fingers at anyone.

To clear things up:

I clean flashed that particural ROM 2 times with open gapps and with Vovan's pixelmodded gapps also. It was going all over the place both times, breaking, restarting, going to black screens. And on the second flash with the open gapps, I logged into my Origin account on that rom and chose to receive the code via text message. Later that day my 2 step authentication was triggered on my Origin account and I got a text message again from the same number as earlier, but this one was in cyrillic apart from the acronym "EA".

As I said my origin account was hacked before, probably by russian or chinese bots (couple of months ago), I didn't change my password I just started to use 2 step with google authenticator, but before I started flashing RR roms I switched back to email/text message based 2 step authentication.

Here the weid thing is why would a bot choose the text msg authentication option other than mimicking every step I took while logging in?

And sorry for not double checking, but I am not sure how would you "double check" if someone is using keylogger, or other type of spyware on your phone without leaking anymore crucial information. I would rather not risk that.

I just wanted to share my experience, It's probably just a coincidence, but paired with the ROMs acting weird, I got suspicious and wanted to share my experiece, so If anyone has anything similar, we will know.

I though better safe than sorry. Sorry if I offended someone.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] celrau:
No offence at all, just expressed my concern, I hope it was a just a coincidence though what you describe doesn't sound good.. This device is beginning to look kind of hopeless in terms of available roms.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Vovan77:
I collect them exclusively for myself and will continue to collect for myself.

Do for yourself, and you do not need to write charges without having direct proof.

Most likely this will stop all updates.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] YiPing_Huang:
One seemingly false charge stops all update? Please don't.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Fadamaka:
I apologized twice already in a lengthy post. I just shared my concerns and it wasn't meant to be an accusation at all.

I am currently establishing my work enviroment to make my own updates. I might share it in the future but don't expect anything.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] celrau:
No need to be so sensitive, there were no "charges" and the man explained, apologized if his words were taken the wrong way and so on. Personally I have a problem with publishing closed source work which is based entirely on open source, it's not ethical and as it turned out it can also create suspicions. Without access to the code one cannot have "direct proof" of anything. Actually the burden of proof is on you as a developer, one of the reasons for open source, trust.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Vovan77:
Is it closed? https://github.com/Vovan77rus59/device_xiaomi_libra_rr
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] celrau:
Obviously not but where is that link posted? I used your cdDroid and never saw a link to the code on 4pda. If it's there and I'm blind, apologies.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] F3itan:
Deleted
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cacafaruq:
Any fw for this rom?

I have used fw patched 9.5.1. But stuck on logo..

Fw patched 9.5.1 :
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cacafaruq:
I have used twrp 3.2.0.0 too but still stuck on logo
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sebbo06:
Take a look here:

https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=256671

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Go for this one, if it doesn't work:

https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=745425885120723984
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cacafaruq:
Thanks for your responses..

I don't know.. My phone still stuck in logo with that FW..
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] gen.taco:
I had similar problem.

Your bootloader is probably locked after you flashed different roms.

Did you try to unlock it again?

It takes few minutes.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] slimdick:
If you blocked the bootloader, the system will not start, either bootloader officially or be done according to this method:

MI4C installing Resurrection Remix OS Oreo on a blocked bootloader
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cacafaruq:
thanks... it's work for me..

do you have over heating problem?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] gcjmail:
SDCARD and fingerprint is working?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Gourcuff14:
Delete post please
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] likhon02:
fulmics 6.7 :eek: ?? i think its for lg g3 correct me if i am wrong !!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] davidroid1:
Does the fingerprint reader work for mi4s? Thanks

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] luis83rs:
So for those who update the ROM version, I guess that just wiping cache, flashing the new version, and wiping then again cache is enough?

Is there other way?

Awesome job by the way, the 02/12 version works pretty god :)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] yellowbrick:
it's enough. actually wiping cache after update is enough.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] arvynofikri:
I havre problem, i can't send messege in the last build, but i can receive messege, anyone have same problem?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] dark_prince:
Lol I hate myself on brainfart.

Just saying flash the Xiaomi miui stable rom and check the same. It's strange that Ur phone doesn't act weird when connected to charger. Other people have their phone touch dancing when they are charging because of bad earth connection but yours is opposite case if I understand correctly.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] hansip87:
found other bug, but actually not existent on earlier build. Now bluetooth volume is separated, so the wireless headphone button doesn't adjust device volume but instead it only adjust volume of it's own. Please bring it back. i think the 02/12 is the better build.

EDIT: 02/12 build has Bluetooth issue too, so i guess the first one i tried (11/27) is better on that aspect. Still, i reverted back to 02/12 for now.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Cozzmy13:
That's not a bug, it also happens with usual headphone volume.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] muchi_13:
thanks a lot.. so far so good using this rom build 20161204
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] hansip87:
I think i shouldn't say it as a bug but it is inconvenient to do twice volume reduce (one on the wireless earphone, one on the phone) because they are different now. Whereas in 11/27 build when i press the volume down on the wireless earphone, the phone volume will be reduced in an instance.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Antyhaker:
Just restart your device ^^
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] arvynofikri:
It's doesn't help after all, i try before

???
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Antyhaker:
Several times I had the same problem and restart helped me. Sorry :(
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] arvynofikri:
It's okay mate, thank for sharing
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andyvanbasten:
hey, i got bug.

in my mi4c 2/16, the camera looked so promising. it gives us a clear and bright image.

unfortunately, the camera auto focus feature isnt working at all. once i capture a pict in unsteady condition, it got blur everywhere.

even if its only by a slight move.

any solution, guys?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Nekronik:
Not sure it has been reported but the name of the wifi is not updated correctly atleast when automatically switching. (Soon I will be able to post images but it does not let me yet xD)

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rori-generic:
bugs

flashed RR v5.8.0 - 04.12.16

I noticed until a few bugs:

camera crashes during continuous shooting (but made by serial pictures are saved);

Panoramic photo turns super bad quality.

The dialer is no Russian characters on the keyboard and you can not import contacts from your Google Account;

the onscreen buttons are not removed when viewing video and pictures;

It does not work on tweaks function of media volume, instead of the ringer volume on the volume rocker.

How can the camera even correct?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] :
I noticed that as well, lol I thought something wrong with my headset.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CdWs:
Hi,

I install 04/12 version and no changes for old bug, plus, I find some new and extremely serious:

1. Soft AP (wi-fi hotspot) not worked in 5GHz band (or no DCHP or restart wi-fi drivers on clients). 2.4 is now does not work either -

sometimes connected, 1 in 5 cases, but also now there no DCHP data for clients. :( I test 4 clients with XP, Win7, Win8.1, WP8.1 (wi-fi drivers from Intel, Mediatek, Atheros, Qualcomm).

2. Task manager did not freeze applications that are in the background and it is expressly forbidden to work in the background and leave the in an active mode. The smartphone can not cool as 4 core CPU core is constantly running at maximum for a given profile. And so all the time. Most often this happens if you are enabling access to the Internet, applications by activity receivers wake up in the activity, though they are forbidden to work in the background and to wake the device... For Example - MSN news (i tried reinstall - no effect). This app prohibit for background work and activity, but it overload CPU in background with enabled internet (wi-fi/cellular - no difference). So behave in all applications, including system, often with the appearance of Internet access.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] taake:
I can't connect to any Wifi network with last version.... anyone with the same problem?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] luis83rs:
Any idea why I can't install Amazon app? It says that it's incompatible, don't know why.

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FadjarDarwin:
You're not the only one, im facing the same problem. Also with tethering and gps issue as well. Let the dev guy fix the problem in the next update. I wish it will come soon
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] jelennn:
Try flash latest firmware blobs from miui stable.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FadjarDarwin:
Yes i have installed miui 7.5.4.0 blobs and the issue persist.

I think i should flash the official fastboot miui rom with unlocked bootloader 1st and then flash this rom again. Start from scratch
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] jelennn:
I have V8.1.2.0.LXKCNDI and wifi works fine.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kevalvino:
Where did you download it from? Is it inside MIUI rom?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FadjarDarwin:
Thanks dude! Now downloading and try it soon. Hope the problem solved

I found it here

https://mega.nz/#!xE9WSYCQ!sPcLRr1tgvpA2XJVIj_7N_7-_zgXhdEtMmoQh1sX0cQ
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] kickthefreak:
Try to download amazon underground app, it work.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] BlackXhorneT:
Amazon app won't work on any rom above android mm. it's easy enough to sideload though, just grab the apk from apkmirror and install it manually from a filemanager of your choice. Just no installation from play store.

Many apps that are not yet tested on Nougat have this issue. Apple music is the same...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kevalvino:
Alright, but i'm not facing any wifi problem so far with my current blobs (i dunno what version it is) but i haven't try the wifi hotspot.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] farockhcm:
I flash the version V8.1.2.0.LXKCNDI from that link and it's look like working.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kevalvino:
But the wifi works as usual or still facing any issues?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] farockhcm:
I edit my post,it was a problem with carrier 4g. Now it's working the hotspot.

Thanks.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] luis83rs:
It's weird, a friend of mine with the Nexus 5X and 7.1.1 has the Amazon app elegible for installation

Anyway I will hava to do that, thanks!

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FadjarDarwin:
Well i think it's because system-wipe that i did before flashing mi-globe rom(my previous rom before using RR v5.0.8), which means wiping original system and replaced with system in mi-globe package. Is it possible? Idk, It's just my assumption overall.

The problem still there after flashing 8.1.2.0 blobs.

It's time to start over. Wish me luck

It's a good news man :thumb
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kevalvino:
Full wipe before installing rom is a must, so maybe that's what makes my phone runs this rom quite nice. Good luck!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] kullino:
Thanks for your work, the phone runs fine and without chineses apps. :)

I use it with a brand new Mi4c.

Does the phone has a poor antenna?

Life in a big city in germany with strong basebands. Ok, LTE isnt able because myprovider only use the 800Mhz 4G net.

But i only get GPRS or Edge. No UMTS or HSDPA ist possible.

Greetings Christian
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Xcited android user:
800Mhz is only used on the countryside as it reaches farther. I live in Austria and signal is great. I get lte in the city and otherwise hsdpa, works as good as my old xperia z3.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ali.hanif:
oh my.. this is the happiest I've been since I bought mi4c, I've just used it for a day but it's great!!!

THANKS!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] yellowbrick:
Guys, if you want to save some battery:

I noticed that with the standrard GPU (note: not CPU!) governor the GPU runs always on 300 MHz as lowest frequency. I changed the governor to "simple_ondemand", now it clocks down to 180 MHz. My battery lasts longer, and I didn't note any difference in terms of performance.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mailis:
First of all thanks for this Android 7.1 ROM, great to see this active development on a recent release!! I also like the stability, the integration of the Pixel launcher and other enhancements!

After using it from the first ROMs and updated till the latest 12/4 release, I have a few lines of feedback to share:

I have noticed that an app called 'RR Statistics' is added, probably sharing some usage information. But it is not possible to either delete it or disable it. Especially since I can't check what information is actually shared (not the example which is povided in the app). I would rather have the option to disable it, rather than to accept it.

In other CM-based ROMs I am used to switch in the dialer or message app for SMS between SIM1 and SIM2 if I choose to use either of them. This is not included in this ROM, so would love this to be added.

Sometimes my capacitive buttons are not working, even after a reboot or reflashing of the ROM. I can't really find a reference or cause, but as you can imagine it is very annoying.

Hope to see a new update in the near future which will include above feedback. Keep up the good work in the meantime.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] vavrof:
preferred network type in system profiles LTE only mode dont work

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Problem with national roaming.

Message: connection lost because you left your home network.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alifrayza:
in sim card setting for Call setting can choice Ask every time in dual sim activ but in

message the choice setting Ask every time not avalaible, anyone can help me
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sakura_Sa233:
Thay can't be put on the quick setting.So,how can I use them？
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] PALMPIL0T:
Wifi hotspot failed when using the 2.4G band (but it seemed okay when using the 5G band) with the 20161204 build. This is a great rom. Thank you :)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kevalvino:
Reporting

Camera when on recording mode and set it to 720p high framerates 120fps, the slow motion is not working, otherwise i get 60fps video recording, do you guys can confirm this in yours?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Toemm:
？

This Linux Kernel Can Support F2FS FileSystem Now?I couldn't want to BAKUP and restore......Like my music,my game save and so on...

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It can Update For a Long Time For RR Version?

and security Update?

Thanks to you And XIAOMI OpensourceProject
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] solis_f:
Everyone here uses stock cpu settings? Anyone tweaked the cpu governor?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] mariojam:
On 27/11 build:

Camera on Skype seems its not working. Not sure if fixed already.

By the way, how do I easily update to the newer ROM Version?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sakura_Sa233:
F2FS is supported！
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] luis83rs:
The only way is to do it with the recovery, just wipe both caches right after you've updated the rom

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Palm Trees:
Thanks a lot for this RR rom. Tested a few roms and found this to be the most enjoyable.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sakura_Sa233:
Please add this word in build.prop so that we can use the navigation bar in a good way.Or it will cause some issues

,such as,it will not be hidden when I play a video and so on.

So.....please add it.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alifrayza:
how to create dual app in RR?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ali.hanif:
Hi, my mobile data is not working very well with this update, sometimes it works but it's really seldom. Usually, there's a little x under the signal bar (picture below). Do you guys know how to fix this? (I set the preferred network type to LTE GSM Auto)

One more thing, a notification often comes out (attached below). I'm not really sure what this is.

By the way I'm using the 4/12 update
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Toemm:
Thank.You for you work！:good:
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] solis_f:
Since I have installed this rom today, all cores seem to be doing something all the time. Screenshots are when only kernel aduitor is open. Why so much load? Anyone else experiencing this? I'm on december 4 build
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Toemm:
it's hardly to move the icon！

version dec.4

Please Fix This Problem;):good:
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sakura_Sa233:
我也发现了这个问题……

I also found this problem.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Ippfcox:
比较麻烦的方法是…把中间的都挪上去然后下面的就能够得到了，我猜你看得懂……
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Sakura_Sa233:
QUOTE=Ippfcox;70038135]比较麻烦的方法是…把
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] likhon02:
new build is up !! downloading now ..
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Feonor:
Changelog?

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] likhon02:
Sadly couldn't found any change log..

Edit : setting - configurations - about resurrection - change log
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] AndropaX:
Sadly you can't search...

Hint: Search in settings
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CiupaSs:
Thanks for this rom.

I tested this today, great rom but tethering doesnt work, my pc, laptop, another phone cant connect with wifi.

I installed 6.0 again and everything is working, so im sure there is a problem with 7.1
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Matrixie:
I can confirm, slow motion is not working for me either. I haven't had time to explore further - I was going to copy some '720p 120fps' footage over to my laptop and properly analyse it and see what the framerate actually is, but I'm busy at the moment and don't have time for the next few days.

Also, on the note of cameras; the reason Google Camera isn't working is that the new API is not supported by any devices that aren't Google made at the moment. If you flash OpenGApps and look at the log after, you'll see it says the new camera API is not supported. Hopefully Google will release this API for other developers, but currently you need to use an old version of Google Camera or a different camera app.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] likhon02:
Can confirm wifi is working fine now :D
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Battery drain seems higher than cm14 by andropax
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Antyhaker:
RR is from AndropaX ? And this ROM is based on CM14 ?

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] te-x:
Hey, I've been using this rom for a few weeks, and some days ago I enabled the ecryption. Now I can't update the rom because TWRP can't mount /data. Is there a way to update the rom? If not, how can I disable encryption? Thanks!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] solis_f:
Does anyone else have this problem?

Even with new build
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Feonor:
I wish I could read the changelog BEFORE the update.

Thanks for yor rom.

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] xaametz:
Deep sleep works great in this build. Thank you!

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Palm Trees:
AnTuTu score with the latest build.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
So lost 16% overnight in 6 hours, WiFi switched off
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] freoz:
Is there an ota update for this rom?

so i dont have to download the full rom.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Palm Trees:
Was Airplane mode enabled? If not, try that while sleeping.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Antyhaker:
So lost 5% overnight in 10 hours, BT is switched on and paired with smartband ^^
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] likhon02:
using the last build for around last 24 hours i am really impressed with the firmware..i think it's quite close to stable. here is what i have found :

1. performance is really good i don't care about benchmark only real life performance impresses me

2. battery life is also really good 5 hours of sot (under normal usage facebook,instagram,youtube,browsing,voice call and causual gaming etc)

3.camera force closes sometimes

4.wifi is quite stable ( suffered from slow speed since rr 5.7.4) sometimes wifi slows down a restart seems to fix it !!

5. a minor issue cannot insert image in user setting

everything is running smoothly i am really happy this rom :D thanks to andropax !!!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] :
Last app function is working for me in the latest build :D (11/12)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Nekronik:
What version of gapps did you flash?

I'd love to have this endurance. Any special tricks?

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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] likhon02:
Latest pico gapps from open gapps i dont use location and sync is always turned off wifi always on thats it
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Well I will miss any calls if they're important. And this wasn't a problem with other roms
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Palm Trees:
Did you flash the latest Baseband update from miui V8.1.2.0?