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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Hitachy:
Guys, the things are 2: or moto germany was trolling is or moto z play reteu is reciving official nougat ??
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
I hope someone uploads capture ...

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Hitachy:
If It will arrive to me, i will provide a twrp backup
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
I hope it comes to you today. All our eyes on you

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Hitachy:
Hoping the same...every 10 minutes I search for updates???
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
I'm confused. The screenshot of the conversation just points out that the update 'will be released for both' reteu and retde. They don't seem to have answered the question about reteu at the bottom and the OP seems to have assumed that they have confirmed this, which they haven't. They've simply pointed out that both varients will receive the update, which is true. (Or have I missed something?) :cyclops:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Hitachy:
I ask him if the update relased yesterday was for retde or reteu and he told "both"
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
Odd. That response was cut off on the screenshot I viewed (not that I'm saying it wasn't there) and they told me yesterday that they are only releasing retde now. Weird.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] anggoromurti:
Today I went to Saturn in Ku'damm, Berlin and I found something interesting. The moto z that was on display was running Nougat and when I go to settings it showed me that it is on reteu
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
Moto Germany are now saying that the update they've just released is good for both 'retde' and 'reteu', which makes no real sense.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] FernandoRocker:
Z or Z Play?

Z got Nougat since December, but not the Z Play.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] iron maiden:
If it's normal z 2 months ago it has nougat

regards
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] FreedFromDeath:
It does, I got my attmx flashed with retla and I manually got all the way up to the December security patch using reteu's OTA s. So yeah, if attmx and retla are pretty much the same, and I was able to update using reteu's OTAs, it is very much possible to update both reteu and retde using the same Nougat OTA, since they probably share baseband and all that stuff.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
This gives me hope.

I will be dancing at full moon, 3 ritual dancing rounds around a circle, with a burrito in my hand, praising our Google overlords, with a Moto G4 as a sacrifice in the center in a ring of Incipio Powerpacks. Hopefully this ritual will get me Nougat.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
I assume that my phone (reteu) will only grab an ota Nougat if it's specifically listed as an reteu registered file? So if Moto Germany identify it as 'retde', it won't work as an ota?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] varunsmackboy:
just chill broda, i dont understand what major nougat gonna bring, except for some ui changes and spilt screen, it will bring doze but moto z play already has monster battery. Just chill and wait for the update, it will come itself. If you keep anticipating the update, you will feel that its taking soo much of time, you will frustrate yourself.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
I am, I was joking....
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] FernandoRocker:
Burrito? Trump is disappointed. :silly:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] cesgz:
i also have an attmx, how did you flash the retla?

Thanks!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
Google has just released the nougat beta 7.1.2 and we are still in 6.0.1 ... it seems my next mobile will be a nexus. [emoji17]

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Ravi Venugopal:
retin just got dec security update
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
How did you get the information :fingers-crossed:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
Anyone knows how to join the soak tests?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] microcox:
Supposedly this procedure allows you to opt in. Personally I can't even get the 'opt in' link to show up under the phone in the 'my stuff' section.

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Forum-...or-the-Motorola-Feedback-Network/td-p/3064626
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
I already tried this method and I'm having the exact same issue :(
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] microcox:
Does your device show up as 'out of warranty' too?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
No, the guarantee is fine, it shows the proper date, I just don't have the link to take part in soak tests.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
I tried to sign up but without success ... it says that my imei does not exist

joshua764
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] diegomartinezlovey:
santa claus send to moto z play owners nougat gift
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Terepin:
If only.

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
I'm a bit confused. Is there any firm information that the Z Play will be getting 7.1? Or is 7.0 as good as it's going to get for us?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
There's nothing official about which version of Nougat we will get, the only confirmation from Lenovo is that we will get the update.

Even if we get 7.0, a new update to 7.1 is extremely likely because it would be a relatively small and easy update to implement.

Plus I wouldn't be surprised if we got another major update to the next unreleased version of Android 8.0 since it would be without one year of the Z Play release. I know Motorola would do it, let see how Lenovo handles things.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Diego Olson:
it really dont make sense taking this long to update it. The only possible is to boost up the seeling for Moto Z instead of Moto Z play. But that really s***, maybe I consider this on my next smartphone
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
We'll have to wait between a month and a month and a half after the Moto Z update. The Z Play has a different processor than the Z, which explains why it was not released at the same time. Plus, Lenovo is reducing the Motorola teams, which means less developers to work on different processors. I'd rather wait a little than have a half baked Nougat on my Moto Z Play. Mostly flashgrips so far are on Nougat, the Z Play is not a flashgrips, one of the only phones with Nougat which is not a flashgrip is the G4 which was sold hugely around the world (more than the Z Play, which explains why it got the update faster)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Terepin:
Z Play is the best phone I ever had. Bring the nougat *****es!

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
some news?

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Terepin:
Looks like it will be out in January.

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bharatshaan:
Why January ?

Moto promised it to be happening before new year right ?:rolleyes:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
They actually said 'The Moto Z FAMILY will START receiving Nougat before Christmas' and that's kind of happening, so they haven't actually misled anyone - even though Z Play owners obviously thought they were included. :(
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bharatshaan:
I get it that Lenovo took over but never expected it would have this much impact on speed of getting new OS.

Motorola was so quick with updates :crying:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
I'm not sure that early January is particularly slow, to be honest.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] rile1564:
No, it won't! Long live Pixel!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] joshua764:
Oh yeah. you're right

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] lisitai1003@gmail.com:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] peterlazar1993:
retin channel got a security update.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] varunsmackboy:
i confirm this, just recieved a security update !! :)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] slainer68:
Can we just all agree that Moto Germany are a bunch of trolls?

I mean they still insist that the update has started in Germany while strictly nobody has ever seen a Z Play on 'retde' or 7.0.

My own German Moto Z Play is on 'reteu' and got nothing new. Two other friends in Germany also have a Z Play on 'reteu' with

nothing new. I've checked 3 Z Play in Berlin at MediaMark and Saturn they are all on 6.0 and 'reteu' channel.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] neandertaler19:
Yes, they still inist that, but they have also said that "reteu" is also rolling out.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
I just don't know what to believe anymore honestly.

At this point I will expect March and if it comes before that it will be a nice surprise.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Terepin:
Nougat is like God: everyone talks about it, but no one saw it.

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Notjustyet:
Moto Germany just tweeted that there won't be Nougat for the Z Play until March after all.

https://twitter.com/Moto_GER/status/826804739279052800
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
Yeah thanks a lot Moto Germany for that false expectation.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Terepin:
http://i.memeful.com/media/post/kRQrJmd_700wa_0.gif

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Hitachy:
At this time I'm not intrested. LAOS will have working camera (i Hope) in a bounch of days, so i won't wait until March to see nougat in my z play.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
They obviously had it ready to drop and were then told to wait. My guess is that there's confusion about the delay forced onto non-Verizon phones and they aren't sure whether it applies everywhere or only in Verizon markets.

On the upside, the existing build is decent and a March release should be the superior 7.1.1 build, because that's what will be generally available then - so the delay may be beneficial.

I'm much more focused on the notification volume fix, which we still don't have on reteu.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
Not trying to be mean towards Moto but that is giving WAY too much credit to Moto.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Terepin:
Wait, did you just suggested that we'll get 7.1.1 instead of 7.0?

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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
Well, 7.1.2 beta is already out and the Verizon Z got 7.0 in December, so three and a half months on in March it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect 7.1 (which was January's build.)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Notjustyet:
The March date is consistent with other MZP Nougat rumours, including the Canadian and Verizon information, so we can assume that it's from Moto/Lenovo HQ. Moto Germany were never told by Lenovo that the MZP won't be included in the first Z family Nougat drop and assumed that all Z devices would be receiving 7.0. Everything else is unvetted fake news and FB journalism. Have a good February, everyone!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dbroadus2007:
Fixe

I received an OTA yesterday that explicitly said it fixed the notification volume...I'm in Dallas, TX
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] McBacker:
What is your software channel?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
If you're on Verizon, then they have released it. If you're unlocked, then: WOO-HOO!! :)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
I'm really pissed at Motorola/Lenovo. I bought the Z Play (my first Moto ever) because of the stock experience and the fast updates. I chose it over the OnePlus 3 because of the battery life (which has never disappointed me). But now the OP3 got Nougat around New Year and the Z Play is gonna have to wait until March. That's my last Moto device, and I'm actually considering selling it to buy the OP3t (which hadn't been announced when I bought the Z Play).

Anyway, sorry for the useless post but I had to vent ^^'
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
understandable, have some similar feelings now. I knew Moto was slow last year but at least my X Play then got MM before the New Year, not bad. I made the same assumption with the Z Play, and could forgive January, but this is just plain neglect . If they give 7.1.1 it could be partially forgiven but even then... And they won't do that 100%..

It's extremely close to stock Android, phones with heavier skins already have N. We are being bent over and taken from behind here imo. Last Moto Phone despite the great battery. You don't know how much it took for me to decide it would be my last Moto phone. I have defended them often and loved their phones, but there are limits.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] varunsmackboy:
Now we all know that we gonna get the update in march itself, so we need to forget about the update right now, just relax and wait.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] xxBrun0xx:
All hope may not be lost. User "lipefrozen" in the thread below has screenshots of nougat and he's willing to upload it. If anyone knows how to pull factory images from a device, please advise.

https://xdaforums.com/moto-z-play/help/moto-z-play-start-receiving-nougat-t3546017/page2

I'm a little skeptical, but no harm in giving him instructions on how to pull an image.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
Hi there. Would you mind confirming that your OTA fix for the low notification tones 1) works and 2) you have an unlocked phone, rather than a Verizon one. Thanks!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] vampire36:
Ok guys let me know what's more important a stable phone or being on latest stuff. I mean I come from 5x and 7.0 was a big disaster and degrade. 7.1.1 is what looked really like an update. So if Moto needs time to fix up a few things no harm in letting them have it. I mean they understand and would want to avoid the user backlash more than us. I agree z play has taken unusually long time. Maybe one off update and if you see we still get pretty fast the security updates and stuff. I think the experience in mm has been solid maybe when we get n it will be perfect. Keeping fingers crossed as updates have started rolling out so maybe Feb itself we might get it. N as new and interesting it may sound ain't as groundbreaking. If you see reviews of the updates pushed by OEMs includes issues and then asking how to downgrade to mm by users. Battery drain, crashes, bootloop and what not. N has in itself not being a stable release on aosp so let's give Moto time maybe a month more but a better stable build would make more sense than a build now and then again work on fixes.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
So what, I came from a 6P, and it worked extremely well, I got it day 1 due to opt in to test. Yes, MM experience has been good, no question, but that's not what this is about at all. It's the pure nature of the company, they delay, delay, and what makes it worse is that they can't even give us info or specifics. Why? What is the problem? What happened? Nothing, we're told to have patience and wait it out.

Time is valuable, and you can't get it back. Is Nougat perfect? No. But for every complainer about Nougat there are 10 people running the OS without issue. (let's be honest, every major update there are tons of complaints and we are told it's unstable and unusable, but I personally never had problems, with any phone)

Even then, they decided to screw over Moto G3 owners, simply dropped support despite being released in 2015, no N for these people. And countless other bad decisions.

Oh and they will not give you 7.1.1 in march, if that happens I will eat a shoe and upload it to Youtube, promise.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] anujmodi555:
This is the biggest mistake of my life to buy Moto Z Play. TODAY i recieved Security patch Update for retin in India. Where everyone around are using Nougat, this is hilarious.??
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
Well it turns out (almost) nobody has Nougat yet, at least until March, we're all in the same boat.

But you're right, it was a mistake.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
Seriously? The biggest mistake of your life? Wow. :laugh:
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] flashallthetime:
No offence to anyone posting in this thread but really, you all sound like, for the most part, like little kids.

So what you haven't received Nougat, really is it the end of the world? No.

Now I see why dirty unicorns left XDA.

If you want fast updates buy a pixel or a used nexus device.

End of rant
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] zoran89:
Hi,

I have contacted Moto Eu directly and among other things specific to my case I asked them about nougat update. I specified RETEU update channel and mentioned moto DE promises about nougat in january.

Here is answer to nougat question:

The Moto Z Play will be upgraded to the Android 7.x (Nougat) release of Android, pending partner support.

I don't know if I am reading too much in one X, but it is possible we are getting 7.1.1 . But that just my speculation and I first am just hoping for nougat no matter the version ( bug free ofc :) )

Hope it helps,

sry for bad english.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
Yes, keep calling people with standards little kids, meanwhile just accept being screwed over and be a Motorola nuthugger right?

You sound biased to the core. You can not trivialize a problem by saying that it isn't the end of the world, that does not fix it and it shows even you don't have an excuse to defend this delay. You even had to resort to name calling first, that's how much of a fanboy you are.

People seem to miss the point, MM works fine, Nougat is not a necessity for survival, but we paid good money for a smartphone. It is not a crime like you make it sound, to expect support for the phone in a timely manner. That's called having standards. And while technical difficulties can always arise this is just ridiculous.

Trivializing it is not an excuse, it solves nothing and telling us to be patient (as if Moto didn't do this already and we don't know?) also does not help or excuse this. It's the principle damn it.

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Moto Germany confirmed it wasn't 7.1.1 to somebody on twitter.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] jonnyd100:
Has anyone seen or heard of anyone receiving the update to nougat in Germany? I feel like this could just be a hoax / joke from Moto Ger. I haven't seen anything online with anyone getting it. I feel someone would have been able to get the file off of it. Also if it was for reteu and retde it would be euro wide. There would be no way to restrict reteu to just german reteu
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
A page or 2 ago it was confirmed to be delayed to March by Moto Germany themselves. So yeah, it's not true.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] jonnyd100:
I just saw this because someone posted it on the reddit. I thought as much...
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] flashallthetime:
You're entitled to have your opinion, been a member since 2012, so I've been through many updates and phones including 3 nexus devices and yes one was a Motorola nexus 6.

Not going to get into it, ain't worth my time.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
Yes, that was me. I hoped that with the Play getting Nougat three months after the Verizon Z, it might be 7.1.1, but that isn't happening. Shame.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
[MENTION=4661942]flashallthetime[/MENTION] No, not having Nougat doesn't render the phone useless, it's actually still one of the best device out there. But for people who like having the latest version of Android and who can't afford a Pixel and don't want to buy a device which is over a year old, Motorola has been a great alternative for a while. Lenovo is screwing up a great thing Motorola put in place, hence people are disappointed (and are allowed to say so). Yes, complaining doesn't help getting Nougat any faster, but it feels great (I know, I'm French, we kinda are the complainers in chief ^^).
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] flashallthetime:
Lenovo isn't responsible for the slow updates, as someone already said I was a Moto fanboy (which isn't true, I'm just not a Samsung fanboy like everyone else) I had the original Moto x from 2013 and at that time Google owned Moto. Updates where also slow in coming. The updates must be ok'd by our respective carrier before they're sent out, that's why it takes so long.

Nexus devices and pixel devices have no carrier involvement in determining what software is added.

I have the Canadian branded Mzp and there's absolutely no carrier bloat.

If you look in the development threads, I have built 2 stock roms, so I see what each carrier has installed in each perspective firmware package.

South America has a few extra apps, as well as Asia and APAC firmware, so those apps need to be updated to nougat.

The base firmware is almost , no exactly the same from one package to another.

There's a OEM.img that you'll see in every firmware package, that's the extra apps.

I've built all my Mzp roms without including the OEM.imgs .

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May I also say ,unless you've built a ROM , there's a huge amount of work that needs to be put into a ROM, we have all flashed a brand new ROM and there's always issues, it takes time to iron out the bugs.

We're lucky because we have direct contact with our ROM developers through multiple Avenue's and bugs normally get resolved quickly, not so for Moto.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] DadOudidOuda:
[MENTION=4661942]flashallthetime[/MENTION] What about the unlocked version Motorola sells directly? You can't say that it's a complicated process, there's no carrier involvement whatsoever. I'm not saying developing a ROM is easy (I've developed apps and it's already pretty complicated so I can only imagine how hard a ROM must be) but it's part of Lenovo/Motorola's job, and they're failing miserably. Plus, the modifications they make to the stock ROM are very limited when compared to what Samsung, Huawei, Asus and many others do. And if they need beta testers I think they can find plenty of people willing to try out their work (a lot right here on XDA.

I remember Moto devices being among the first ones to get Lollipop or Marshmallow, I can't remember which and I'm too lazy for a Google search. But yes, the Z Play is not a "flashgrip" and the Z got Nougat in many countries, but still, users deserve timely updates (and the Z Play isn't a cheap phone either).

Anyway, I'm waiting for Nougat because I find it to be a better version of Marshmallow, I'll be very happy when I'll get it.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] bigbamboo5:
I bought an unlocked phone and assumed that it would get updates faster than a carrier phone, but that doesn't seem to be happening. As I said earlier, I'm okay with waiting for Nougat, because I would rather have a stable release, but I'm irritated that the delay has (probably) been caused by an exclusivity agreement with Verizon and I'm not in a country where Verizon operate.

To me, the low notification fix is more important - and again, that doesn't seem to be filtering down to the Z Play. It's all a bit disappointing, if I'm being honest.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] coolkingler1:
Is that true?

Might go for a Lenovo P2 then, at least test, even though it doesn't have Nougat either but then I guess many phones still don't. I overreacted before but I can't say it wasn't justified towards Moto.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] flashallthetime:
All the single sim firmware packages are the same, the 2 dual sim packages are the same.

Yes it would be nice to get nougat faster but I'd rather let Moto take them time to.iron out as many bugs as possible.

There's actually more coding that has to be done with our mzp due the moto mods, all the mods have they're own app as well.

HTC, Samsung only use there own theme on top of android.