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[Samsung Gear S3] cotosof:
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[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
Try holding down the back button on the Gear S3, it should attempt to open up Samsung Pay and then tell you that it needs to be installed and you should have the option to open it up from your phone to have it installed.
[Samsung Gear S3] Sword Fish:
Tried that, nothing happens.

Swordfish
[Samsung Gear S3] redzero36:
YAY!!! So if anyone else had a problem with samsung pay, phone is rooted, and knoxed tripped. I updated from kitkat to marshmallow. I was able to get S Pay to work on my S4 kitkat but its not rooted and untripped knox just to see that it isn't just my phone. For my S5 thats rooted and tripped knox I had to update to marshmallow like how that previous note 4 (or was it 5) user. So if you are having a problem try using marshmallow.
[Samsung Gear S3] cotosof:
Simple question s7 root works samsung pay for gear s3?

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[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
From what I've seen, yes. As long as you're in a region where you have Samsung Pay available in.
[Samsung Gear S3] ikenvape:
Are you in nougat or dp? Whenever I hold the back button it shows installation failed on the phone in a quick toast message
[Samsung Gear S3] zapote21:
DP. I had to go back go 7.0. I stall Pay amd set it up. Then just flash system, boot, bootloader and vendor to go back to 7.1.1. Pay fails installation on DP
[Samsung Gear S3] Y0sHii:
I have a rooted note 7 verizon and i just received my tmobile gear s3 frontier LTE. oddly enough i wasn't able to use samsung pay UNTIL i got the watch. The system used to say " there have been modication made to your device etc." and wouldn't let me use the service. Now that i got the watch and ran the samsung pay off of it while connecting via bluetooth (just for the initial setup) it allows me to use the service (from my watch only i assume).
[Samsung Gear S3] pro_b:
I just wanted to post my success for others as well. I'm using my Gear S3 wifi model with an International S7 Edge here in the US. My S7 Edge is running a custom rom. I was able to setup Samsung Pay on my Gear S3 and I've used it twice at different locations so far to confirm it works. Pretty exciting since the Exynos S7 Edge wasn't supported in the US for Samsung Pay (nor any rooted phone).
[Samsung Gear S3] dinik:
how did you made it hapen?

got also wifi and no lte. and i cant buy no one face on gear pay...get an error...server error...init token key error u1001/P/25sbv
[Samsung Gear S3] pro_b:
I didn't do anything special. I added 2 cards and they both work fine. Maybe check to see if you have the latest version of the Samsung Gear app installed. Also check to see if there's a samsung Pay update.
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
hey there I have a Samsung galaxy S5 rooted and knox tripped. Im also running cm13 build so no touchwiz here. Samsung Pay is working fine on my watch and phone. Was easy to set up but just that I had to change my build prop for it to work by changing anything that said samsung to a different company I used htc and it worked. Ive used samsung pay twice so far and it worked fine.
[Samsung Gear S3] ProFragger:
Guys, just to confirm, all the folks reporting success with rooted, or tripped Knox phones or non Samsung phones... Can you guy confirm Samsung Pay working on the Bluetooth/WiFi version of the S3? Or is it ONLY working on the Carrier/LTE models? Thanks!
[Samsung Gear S3] Brava27:
No luck here. Can't even get the app on the watch to show up.

Sent from my Blackberry Bold
[Samsung Gear S3] arf8:
This is an easy question to answer, If you don't have the correct OS version or your phone is rooted or you have tripped Knox;

1. you will not be able to even install Samsung Pay without the right OS version.

2. If you have a rooted phone which does not trip Knox like S6 with PingPong than you can't install Samsung Pay b/c you don't have the updated OS and updating the OS updates the Kernel and you can't go back to having a rooted phone.

3. If you trip Knox regardless of what OS version you have, rooted or not, Samsung Pay will not work.

Hopefully that helps everyone out.

cheers
[Samsung Gear S3] Jhfreeze:
[MENTION=5798328]arf8[/MENTION] Pay works for me, using GearS3 Frontier from TMO on rooted Note 5 (TMO as well) on my own highly modded TMO based ROM with tripped Knox and latest SkyHigh kernel. No issues setting up or using at all.
[Samsung Gear S3] arf8:
Ha, you can use rootcloak but you can't hide Knox 0x1 tripped bit, I don't believe it, prove me wrong. I don't have a Note5 but from my understanding it is not possible.
[Samsung Gear S3] Jhfreeze:
I don't use rootcloak, I'm not lying here my knox is 100% tripped, been that way since the day I bought it. Samsung Pay through my watch does indeed work. I'll send pic when I get home if I need but I'm just relaying that those points you made can't be the end all for it to work.
[Samsung Gear S3] arf8:
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-pay-not-supported-on-knox-tripped-devices/

Not doubting that is works on your watch. Hell i don't even have the watch. But there is no way Samsung Pay is working on your Note 5 from my understanding of how Samsung pay does a check at the kernel level. You can inform me since I'm ignorant to this because i don't have the watch yet but can you run Samsung Pay on the Watch even if it does not work on the phone? If so then yes, than i can see how it will work on the watch if there is no checks and balance against the phone. But i don't see how Samsung Pay will work on your phone if you have Knox tripped and rooted and the watch depends on the phone which i assume it does.

Again i don't have a Note5 or the watch. I do have multiple Rooted S6 edge with my own ROMS I've created with intact 0x0 Knox. Even with an intact Knox the rooted phone alone prevent Samsung Pay from working.

cheers
[Samsung Gear S3] Jhfreeze:
Your exhausting me, I'll send pics in a bit. No matter how many times you defend your statement I still have a rooted note 5 with Knox tripped and pay working on my watch.

And I never said it worked on my phone, haven't even tried it but I did use the phone to set up the watch.
[Samsung Gear S3] arf8:
read my post, not that hard to follow, and you don't need to post anything if you read and answer the question.
[Samsung Gear S3] Jhfreeze:
K.....So to summarize for anyone trying to understand what I originally posted is true, samsung pay can work "On the Watch" with a rooted phone with Knox tripped. Not sure what other factors are at play preventing some from getting it working but it works great for me.

P.M. for any other elaborations beyond this.
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
Samsung pay works on the Gear s3, not on the phone's itself if Knox is tripped. It's a separate entity and that's why it's working for those with 0x1. I knew that and figured it was a possibility and that's why I started this thread. The link you provided is for Samsung pay built directly into the case and not the Samsung pay specifically for the gear devices.
[Samsung Gear S3] arf8:
This is exactly what I said in my post, if it's not tied to the phone it could very well work and as you have read it does. But it will not work on the phone. Since I don't have the watch I'm surprised you can setup the credit card info with just the watch app. If samsung is relaxing their requirements that is one thing but I'm guessing they are hedging no one can root or comprise Tizen
[Samsung Gear S3] highaltitude:
Got it to work on my S7E 935F, if rooted, the key is to take off the phone "Samsung Pay" v2.5.02 app and only have Gear S Samsung Pay 1.2.5.002 app. It kept failing until I did that. Added a card and bought brake pads at AutoZone. Pretty cool since my phone is custom rom, rooted and tripped knox.
[Samsung Gear S3] meowone:
Just checking back in now that I received the watch. I can verify that Samsung Pay works on my s3 with my rooted Note 4.
[Samsung Gear S3] ProFragger:
Friends, can anyone share their experience of Samsung Pay working on a rooted non Samsung phone like LG V10?

Also, can anyone confirm that the WiFi model of the watch would work the same way for Samsung Pay?
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
yes and yes
[Samsung Gear S3] ProFragger:
Thanks Sir. Last question, does the T-Mobile or AT&T model stay locked to their respective networks, world they work on the prepaid networks? Thanks!
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
The sim is electronic, you can't change it out unfortunately. Your best bet would be go with T-Mobile and pay just the $15-20 a month for their wearables plan.
[Samsung Gear S3] ca12bon:
I've read through every single response, and it looks like the S3 will work with a rooted phone, provided you're *only* using the Gear S-Pay app. Having said that, would the Gear S2 classic work on a rooted phone or is that a definite no?
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
I would assume it would given that they would probably not take a step back from the S2 to the S3. I'd say give it a shot if that's what you're wanting to do.
[Samsung Gear S3] client-x:
I have rooted nexus 6p with nougat rom and gear s2 wifi. Samsung pay works fine on my watch (nfc only)
[Samsung Gear S3] ProFragger:
Can you list the steps you took to achieve this? And also, do you know why MST wouldn't work? Does the Gear S2 not have the MST chip in it?

Thanks!
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
MST doesn't work because the S2 doesn't have that functionality. A Gear S3 paired with a rooted phone seems to have full functionality of Samsung Pay via the watch, IE NFC and MST.
[Samsung Gear S3] slapshot2286:
Pay works for me on rooted S7.
[Samsung Gear S3] ProFragger:
Thanks for the information, guys! Can you please list the steps of how you got Samsung Pay to work (MST and/or NFC only) with your rooted phones (Samsung and Non-Samsung)?

Thanks!
[Samsung Gear S3] ca12bon:
And....in a quick strange turn of events... looks like Samsung Pay is NOT supported on the gear S2 in "Korea". This is strange because it seems to be supported in almost all other countries.
[Samsung Gear S3] quangtran1:
S3 working fine with a rooted Pixel here, running a custom ROM.
[Samsung Gear S3] warpgatex:
Yup it works with rooted and xposed installed. Meaning even if Safetynet fails samsung pay works on s3. I have a rooted nexus 6p/xposed
[Samsung Gear S3] Tel864:
My Moto G4 isn't rooted at the moment but it doesn't have NFC and doesn't support Samsung Pay or any other pay apps at all. Still, pay works fine on my Gear, so I would think it wouldn't matter if the phone is rooted or not.
[Samsung Gear S3] KValim:
Could you tell me which rom are you using?
[Samsung Gear S3] slapshot2286:
Stang 5.0L on my galaxy s7. No issues using the gear's Samsung pay.
[Samsung Gear S3] rinkeedink:
Man, I'm happy to read that Samsung Pay app on a Gear S3 can work independently when connected to a rooted G935F.... I've been holding off on rooting because I did not want to lose SPay capability on Gear S3 Classic wifi model. One of the main use case scenarios for me owning the Gear S3 is to use Samsung Pay while leaving phone in pocket.

Looking forward to a custom rom that will allow me to kill some annoying things like the high volume warning from stock rom.
[Samsung Gear S3] arl16:
My rooted, no Knox, S5 tried to update Samsung Pay today, and now says:

"Samsung Pay cannot be accessed by rooted devices for security reasons. Unroot your device in order to use Samsung Pay"

Watch looks like it always has - like it should still work, but I haven't tried it since this phone update. Watch version is 1.3.2103.

Any ideas?
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
I just got the same update automatically on my phone. Can't access samsung pay on the phone now :( dam samsung this was the reason I bought the watch to use samsung pay on a rooted phone with no problems...
[Samsung Gear S3] johnp357:
Just happened to me as well... damn.. has to be a way around this? nexus 6p :(
[Samsung Gear S3] :
i can use it on my S7 edge with magisk. i hided all knox related apps include samsung pay via magisk hide. its opened without any error but while adding card it says failed to connect network
[Samsung Gear S3] dallen5:
My Note 5 is rooted but my Gear s3 isn't rooted and can use Samsung Pay...I'm with T-Mobile
[Samsung Gear S3] :
Yes its working for the people who bought S3 from US.
[Samsung Gear S3] johnp357:
nope. mine is from the USA. that is not true.
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
Yeah same here usa here. Got a Samsung Galaxy s5 and tried it with and without root and still can't get it to work as it tells me I'm rooted either way
[Samsung Gear S3] :
Strange its working for my friend with Stock S7 edge firmware..
[Samsung Gear S3] arl16:
Interesting, I tried paying with my watch, and it worked! And, I can actually see the receipt pop up on my phone, underneath the same notice telling me Samsung Pay doesn't work with rooted phones. So I can't use my phone to pay, but I can use my watch... connected to my phone. Guess I'm good until I need to update a card on my phone. Still hoping for another suggestion...
[Samsung Gear S3] xQuestx:
Anyone figure out how to get rid of the rooted message? does the watch still work to pay?
[Samsung Gear S3] Subiegsr:
Looks like pay still works on the watch, but doesn't seem like you can open the pay app on your rooted phone anymore. Which means it can't add any new cards or if your card expires. This sucks.
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
Yea and I trying to fix it on my watch and ended up having my phone not able to pair with my phone so I was force to reset the watch for it to see my phone again. Now I have no Spay
[Samsung Gear S3] Ahowe125:
Got the newest update and didn't even think to check here first, like most of you, I can no longer access the phones Samsung pay on my HTC 10 that is rooted and on a custom ROM. I always wanted to use Android Pay, buy never could and that's why I bought the watch. Guess I need to figure out what's more important to me or find a work around in magisk.

Edit: Yes.. Magisk v12.0 and Magisk Hide worked perfectly! Back in business.. And heck, I even have Android pay now. Not sure why I didn't use this option a long time ago.
[Samsung Gear S3] candiesdoodle:
You are prone first one here around to confirm that spay works with root. Are you able to add cards on the phone ?.
[Samsung Gear S3] Ahowe125:
EDIT: I can confirm the app loads without the root error on my HTC 10 with a custom ROM being Rooted. I just removed a card and re-added it without issue. It was verified by my bank and added to my Samsung Pay account.

I previously used Chainfire's SuperSU for root. This did not hide Root from the checks and ultimately made it impossible to use Android Pay. Which is why I got my S3 for this reason as it previously worked with rooted devices. With the latest update this changed and I was forced to adapt.

I had a slight advantage making the switch, as my ROM's developer uses the Aroma installer and offers up 3 different install types. Unrooted, Standard SuperSU, and systemless phh's SuperUser with Magisk pre-installed.

I used his Aroma installer to change to the 3rd option and it worked flawless. I now have Magisk v12 and was able to use the Magisk Hide options to allow both Android Pay as well as Samsung Pay to work as intended.

So if you're in the same boat as I was when I updated, I would do some research on phh's systemless SU and Magisk v12 and figure out the best way to install it on your device.

See attached screenshots for what my device shows.
[Samsung Gear S3] xQuestx:
I'm using magisk 12 and can't seem to get it to work, I pass safetynet and everything. looks like I'm hiding all the ones you are. no idea why it won't work.
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
Dam well glad it works for you. I have a Samsung Galaxy s5 and its not working OK my rom it's a mostly stock rom too. Gotta see why it's not working for me even though I have magisk hide too now
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
Try adding the same card again. Maybe it checks for root before even asking for card info. I just tested it out stock/no root and it gives an error stating that the card has already been saved and that it will discard the new info and asks if you want to cancel or add a new card again while validating card info. Unfortunately this won't guarantee you can add a card, but it's a 50/50 chance that it checks either before or after that process and if it stops you you'll know for sure you can't add a card.

For others, would uninstalling Samsung pay and possibly the gear app all together and starting from fresh possibly help? Maybe a fresh install, then use magisk or other means to hide root will prevent the errors before the first launch. If it's storing that root had been detected maybe a clean install of Samsung gear/pay is all that's needed to reset it.

Just a thought.
[Samsung Gear S3] xQuestx:
I tried a fresh install of a totally different rom for the nexus 6p didn't work.
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
And you hid root before the first run I assume?
[Samsung Gear S3] xQuestx:
Correct, and I know hide is working because I tried it on a root check app.
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
Is the ROM you're running automatically rooted? Maybe a clean flash with no root (if possible), then installing and running S Pay one time without root, then root and use magisk before the next run...
[Samsung Gear S3] Ahowe125:
Alright, I went ahead and added the card again and it went through all its verifications and added the card without issue. Im not sure why mine would work but not others.. Is it because mine is a non Samsung phone?
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
I got Samsung pay to work on my watch again!

after looking at what version of Samsung pay had on the watch which was 1.3.1703, I was able to find an apk from sammobile for version 1.2.5202. After downloading that version and I had to manually uninstall Samsung Pay through your phone settings and application manager or installing the older apk on top of the newer one would fail, I was able to access Samsung pay with no problems on my phone and was able to add back my card like i was able to do before. after adding my card I was able to blanch Samsung pay on my Watch but due to my watch Samsung pay version being higher than my phone version due to when Samsung pay updated before, it wouldn't let me use Samsung pay until my phone version was back to version 1.3.1703. but I was able to access Samsung pay on my watch with my cards showing up now. I haven't tried to see if it works but I assume that since the card is on the watch now It should work now. ill attach the older apk for anyone else to try.
[Samsung Gear S3] dschachm:
I used your post to install the old version of pay on my rooted note 5 with nougat after I couldn't use the newer app on my phone. It installed and let me add my cards. Then i tried on my phone and told me to update my phone app which i did. At that point it worked on my watch, but you can't access the app on the phone. Says it's rooted. But my watch will bring up my cards and pressing pay activated the nfc.
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
yea you cant access it on the phone anymore i guess unless you downgrade it back but havent tried that and dont know if your cards would get deleted or not but this is the only way i know so far that worked. I dont know how other people who are rooted are able to use the new version of samsung pay fine while others cant
[Samsung Gear S3] dschachm:
When you downgrade it does remove your cards. When you upgrade back it keeps your cards there and you can use the watch, just not the app. I think it is nougat that is doing it.
[Samsung Gear S3] robroy90:
Yesterday, I upgraded my LG V20 from v5.3 to v5.4 of Maximum Overdrive's ROM (which includes Magisk v12) and I couldn't add my payment cards back in after a wipe and clean install of v5.4 until I found this thread. I had all the relevant apps/modules hidden from root in the Magisk manager, but it still wasn't working until I un-installed gear pay and then installed the older version linked above. After I installed that, I was able to again add my cards, and then take the update. I haven't tried it again today at a point of sale, but I think it will work. It didn't fail on the verification with the card issuer this time, but my credit card numbers are now probably being sold as I type this... LOL
[Samsung Gear S3] zune70:
Update : if you followed my steps to get back spay with your cards loaded long your watch again it works! Just used my watch at a wawa gas station since it's new in my area and now has nfc to pay for gas now and it worked perfectly fine. I got a notification on my phone saying that I used this cars for this amount but if I click on it on the phone I can't open it due to root but my transaction went through so glad it works. PSA: even though this is the only method that works at the moment for people that can't get it to work with the newer spay version with magisk suhide, I can except to see a patch or maybe even samsung disabling the older version in the bear future. This is still a temporary fix until someone here finds a permanent workaround with the latest version of spay that works for everyone
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
Got your original fix quoted in my first post. Hopefully someone will find a workaround before it's too late to do what you found works.
[Samsung Gear S3] robroy90:
Just wanted to confirm that I tested mine at a POS terminal at my local hardware store yesterday and it worked from the watch. I am using an LG-V20 (Rooted on Maximum Overdrive v5.4 SP1 with Magisk v12) and a Gear S3 with the latest apps. I also hope a mandatory "upgrade" does not come out that forces this to quit working again... :(
[Samsung Gear S3] Brewbud:
I never knew there was a problem with root and SPay. I have been using it on my Gear S3 / rooted and tripped Note 4 for the last 2 months. Been working great..... until I did a wipe and upgrade. Now I get the you are rooted go - pound sand message...oops. I even loaded my old back up but still no luck. Guess I need to use some of the tricks posted here.
[Samsung Gear S3] moralesd66:
If this keeps up and there isnt a workaround found I won't be purchasing another Samsung phone. I bought the watch to use standalone S-pay but for some reason connecting to the phone got borked and I had to reset it. There went all my loaded cards etc. Livid at the moment. The whole Magisk route seems a bit too much to cloak things for our use. Not a fan...yet I suppose.
[Samsung Gear S3] Brewbud:
Well I decided to upgrade to MM since I had lost the use of my S Pay anyway. After updating using Odin my S Pay is back. I haven't re-rooted yet. I may not for awhile. Especially if no root AppRadio Unchained Reloaded takes off. I doubt rooting after setting up S Pay on the watch will break it but.....
[Samsung Gear S3] johndyz:
I have been rooted since I got my gear s3 in January and had no issue, until I reinstalled samsung gear app. Pissed as heck because I lost the power of this watch, being Spay. Thanks to this thread, I can confirm that installing magisk Manager (app store and flashing v12 through recovery), enabling magisk hide through setting in magisk manager and hiding samsung accessory, Samsung gear, spay AND freezing samsung push through my backup pro (I already done this earlier and was too lazy to unfreeze and hide through magisk hide)... Spay works. I just added a new card with no issues. HE'LL YA!

I did a full wipe a couple days ago in recovery. Wiped internal and SD card storage. I'm running latest version of gear and spay (1.3 something). ROM is Paulpizz 6 on verizon note 4. Below are some screenshot of my settings in magisk manager.

Thanks to all that contributed and I hope this helps someone else.

PS. Am I the only one who considered installing the app on another phone (spouse) to get the fuctionality of spay? Damn you samsung for even making me consider it. Lol
[Samsung Gear S3] Outbreak444:
Now that you were able to add a card, think you can try to make a purchase as well? Just to make sure you have the ability.
[Samsung Gear S3] moralesd66:
I was able to add cards on the watch but it forced an update of Spay on the phone and I get the root error msg. Card is still loaded and I will test it out. If this works I'll be happy.