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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] zalees:
I have the EXACT same problem as eagercrow. The only difference is that I HAVE NOT *repeat* HAVE NOT mod, or use any cooked ROMs. When i'm using WM5 and radio 1.04, the problem did happen very often. Then when the official WM6 witn radio 1.47 release by HTC, i flash it straight away. It clears all the problem for a few month but some of the problem start to appear since last month:

answering modem has disconnected

call not completed

(not a message) phone hangs when dialing a call

(not a message) received calls sent straight to voice mail when I have full signal, either a soft reset or attempt to make a call fix the problem. The attempt to make the call fails and the phone reconnects to the network.

It happen in any area with weak network (less than 4 bar/full), either 2G, 3G or 3.5G.

For answering modem disconneted, i have to shut down the phone and remove the battery to solve he problem. I must say that the problem may be due to heat. Since when i using it as a modem, the phone gets pretty hot.

I wonder why since i'm using the official ROM only (i've never use any cooked ROM). Even HTC servrice center can't really solve the problem. (my phone board controller was faulty and HTC changed it for me. After that all those problem just vanish for a few month). HTC says its normal!. I paid almost USD600 for the phone. I'm thinking of getting O2 but my friend says he had almost similar problem.

Wonder why......
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagercrow:
I forgot to add one more problem to the list, phone sometimes will not disconnect from a call, I have to soft reset
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbrown138:
I get most if not all of these 'errors'.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbrown138:
I get this one alot! But first it drops the actual call then just hangs the dialer.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagercrow:
two more to the list:

- long error message about the number not being right or something

- call not completed

Yeah that is what is happening with mine, the phone call is ended but you wouldn't know it by looking at the phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ai6908:
Well i didn't do my searching right, so i posted my issue in a new thread...:(

My issue is almost the same...It all started with BT getting disconnected from headset, and only soft reset will connect again...and then, radio started to act up. Phone went to sleep one night, and the next stay when i tried to wake it up, it wont wake up. Had to reset it to wake it up...it came back up, but when i plugged it to the puter, the puter wont recognize it. Here is what has happened so far...

1. GSM works after soft reset, and when on phone the phone freezes. Soft reset is the only option...(call is continued until soft reset)

2. BT will disconnect and will take forever to start up

3. Phone will not be recognized by PC (USB device not recognized error)

3. Can flash OS, Splash screens, ext ROM using SD flash method, but will not flash OS with GSM...hangs about as soon as it starts GSM (about 12%)

4. GSM, protocol numbers are still intact:confused:

My phone is less than 2 months old and i didn't get my phone through AT&T, so no warranty...kinda screwed eh:mad: I think this is a hardware problem...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbrown138:
I am nearly sure this is a hardware issue. My phone is only a few months old, does anyone know how AT&T is about replacing phones? And how I need to return the phone ROM/Radio wise?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagercrow:
radio completely died last night, none of the fixes I've found solve this problem:(

edit....Just got off the phone with att. I've had this phone for about 8 months and they are going to send me a replacement (refirb), I will be charged about $500 is they find I've messed up the phone, which sucks cause it is missing the warranty sticker over the torx screw, and has a modified OS ROM on the phone, somehow I need to change the ROM back to an official rom, but I'm having trouble finding any without the radio, since the radio can't be flashed.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spastico:
Ditto!

To Everything!

I guess I will give Radio 1.47 a try again.

But, just as others have said, I think it's Hardware related.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbrown138:
Def hardware, I am now getting NO GSM on reboot about one in 3 times. I will call AT&T for a replacement, but I need to roll back the rom and spl first.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] max414:
Let me add my experience as well...I have radio 1.54.30...so far i havent encountered any bad flashing...but my phone works for some time like a day or two and then it starts behaving abnormally..it will keep searching for a signal or it will show ! mark....then i softreset again and agian to get the signals back and working ....

And it will just keep on searching for signals if i put a simcard other than my current operator....i dont think it is hardware because my hermes is new and has never fallen down:confused::(Should i try 1.47?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] watchdog2003:
BlueAngel and Hermes Radio contingency identified

Low on phone credit I swapped my T-Mobile SIM card from my T-Mobile MDA Vario II with O2 phone in credit SIM from BlueAngel (XDA IIs)

Result was that O2 SIM works fine in T-Mobile Vario II. However, T-Mobile SIM will not phone connect to network when installed in BlueAngel (albeit WM6 ROM is MDA III).

Upgraded BlueAngel Radio from v1.12 to v1.15 no netwrk discovered when T-Mobile SIM installed.

Restored unlocked SIM cards to T-Mobile and O2 device and both SIM cards find their networks and normal operation
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] zim2dive:
I've had several instances of lockup during a call since going to 1.54.30.. the PDA still responds (I think), but the call (in progress) refuses to disconnect and no sounds gets thru.

I have to reset to clear things up. So far that has worked.. now this worries me it could be a questionable radio that is a SW issue that creates a HW issue (by over-heating, or something).. I may roll back to a previous radio.

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eagercrow:
I don't think it is the radio ROM, I think it is radio hardware. I got my new phone and immediately upgraded to the new ROM and radio available (for a limited time) on the HTC site, so far everything is working perfectly and my calls are very clear and crisp.

It was a hassle getting this done with ATT as they transfered me about 4 times and each time tried to walk me through their "trouble shooting steps". I would say the hassle was definitely worth it though. For any of you under 1 year with this phone give them a call and get a replacement.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spastico:
I'm going to give this a try for awhile (see attached pic)

The theory is that if the radio is fixed to a Band (Not 'Auto')

It won't start searching for a better signal when it gets down to zero bars.

Because with me, if it starts 'Searching' I might as well cycle the Radio (on/off) because it will give up and leave me with 'No Service'

For example; if you look at the pic and notice the 'G' (No Edge), this is where my phone would start searching and then give up. But with this setup it goes back up in bars (and back to 'E') when I return to an area with a better signal.

This is by far the solution, but I am way past my warranty, and I can't afford another phone right now.

I do think there seems to be a common thread among most of us who began to have this issue. In my search of the forums, I've noticed that most of us who are having this trouble, gave 1.54 a try, and since then, no matter what radio we try, we just don't get back to the quality of reception we had before.

My suggestion to all; If Your Reception is Good don't mess with it!

Don't be tempted to try the Latest Radio. If it's not broken - don't fix it!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Prerna:
I also had this feeling, although it's hard to understand how this can affect some and not others.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] max414:
so should i give 1.47 a try??is that the best with battery and reception?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] indie:
I had the same issue. Clean the sim with an eraser. It worked for me. No more problems
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] zim2dive:
roger.. I'll give that a shot.. I rolled back to 1.54.07 already, so it'll be hard to compare (I don't remember problems with 07... shrug)

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Maddog468:
I'm having the same problem. Started off with me just disabling the 3g on the phone through the comm manger, Then I would be able to connect with edge and would be able to use the phone as well.

Now only the phone works and I cannot even connect to the internet. I keep getting the answering modem has disconnected... if I try to connect with 3g. If I turn off 3g then I can connect with the edge.

I have tried flash new roms and radios but still the same.

Do you think it could be a hardware issue.

Using satinlight

radio 1.48.00.00

Thanks

Scott
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spastico:
If you're using isp, try switching to wap. If you're already using wap, try using opendns.

If your already using opendns, try using 'server-assigned'
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Maddog468:
I am using old at&t.

What would the settings be for using wap or open dns just "proxy" like in the other set ups.

Thank you

Scott
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] MetroKnight:
You can add me as member of this exclusive club! i also think it has to do with 1.54.x

I did notice that my phone was getting hot, but thought that was only when I plugged it in for too long.

If there's no way around this, and it doesn't seem like there is, my only option to go for the 8925/tilt/kaiser but it's so freaking expensive! I'll have to get my 8125 back from a buddy of mine to be able to function. Too bad the screen doesn't work on it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chamelion:
And add me too! wow, this is crazy, it's an epidemic. i haven't touched / upgraded anything in a couple of weeks now. i noticed the phone had switched itself off, i rebooted, it said no radio. i'm thinking to myself oh boy, here we go again (this happened to me about 5 months ago, once again not during flashing.) i tried flashing to the latest radio rom which bricked my device. i'm currently trying to go through the http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1162054#post1162054 post (still downloading and installing) to see if i can at least get into windows so i can do a roll-back of my ROM and SPL...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] :
I do have 1.54.07.00 Radio since release, and still no problems.

Maybe it's another cause, maybe somebody can test this:

-Tried another SIM already?

-Tried reflash Hard-SPL (2.10) and OS and then Radio? Maybe ROM memory lost a bit information and this causes the problem. I had this problem once with a mp3-player from creative. Always died after some seconds, then i reflashed the Software and okay again. If SPL starts the Radio maybe it can help to reflash SPL only for testing.

:confused: This is really a strange thing.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Alcibiade:
Mine came back to life !!!

I left it several months in a corner of my appartment. Was so pissed off about it I just didnt want to touch it again

However I wanted to test some ROMs and thought I should go with the phone with the broken radio (If I **** up something else... I just dont care !!)

I didnt want to take out the SIM from my phone so I just put another crappy SIM card (An old one I had from France (Living in Japan right now))

My phone is not unlocked, so the phone complained, etc, etc...

And then I thought about... trying with my original SIM again. Miracle... the phone works perfectly

Not sure it si the SIM switch (Could also be the fact I left the phone several months without battery) however I suspect that the SIM swicth reinitialized something (In the past I managed to get some life from my dead radio by taking out the SIM and puting it back again)

Now my phone works perfectly

I suggest to anybody who may have broken its radio to try one of his friends SIM and then revert to his own SIM. He may have a happy surprise (Btw I am selling a Hermes now... :) )
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kedi:
The unbeatable member of No GSM is here :)

I flashed a ROM with no radio, this one here [19/08/07 Released] .:: TNT 2.0 Series ::. (Official/Professional).

After flashing i noticed my Trion was getting very hot 2-3 times and i flashed back to official O2 ROM and leave it that way.

Since then i didnt flashed any ROM or Radio updates.

Suddenly it showed No GSM if i reseted it.

Sometimes it was ok for 10 minutes and sometimes i had to reset 100 times before i get any call.

Now i try to flash radio ROM`s with no help.

After 1 month i can flash almost nothing (except ROM`s with no radio).

The official O2 WM6 ROM stops at 12%

and the WM5 ROM at 13%

Flashing from SD card is also impossible when it begin to flash the GSM part it stops and nothing happens (for some hours...).

As you can see i didnt flash 1.54xxx and have problems.

So i would say its not the 1.54 xxx part.

Today i gave it to O2 to repair it.

24€ to send it to the repair service if it cost too much and i dont want it repaired i have to pay 22€ to get it back.

Lets see :)

I want a Orbit 2 anyway because i need navigation and UMTS (and a phone ;)).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chamelion:
question to all you no radio users - are you using the standard battery that came with the phone or the extended battery?

i bought the extended life battery a few months ago and definitely noticed a temperature increase of the phone. wonder if there's a correlation?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kedi:
i use/d the standard battery bought it updated OS only and problems :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Alcibiade:
Standard battery
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] christonge:
Standard battery also...

I haven´t touch my Hermes for almost 2 months now after the No GSM appeared after a soft reset. I had previously upgraded the radio to 1.54 and had noticed some heat so downgraded but just 3 days later the No GSM issue appeared. I´m not sure it´s this radio that´s the problem more than the fact perhaps something is fried. It´s definately hardware as any fix (and I spent days trying!!!) hasn´t brought it back to life.

I have been using the device for VOIP calls at home and the OS works fine. I will try with a different SIM to see, if like Alcibiade, it can be brought back from the dead :rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Prerna:
Hi, here's a happy feedback, after running no trouble since about 3 weeks.

What did I do? I downgraded my Radio to 1.50.00.00, changed the ROM from HC Lite (could it be the culprit?) to Schap's 4.22, and least but not least, the SIM.

I can' tell for sure what was causing the problem; I'm glad enough that my Hermes is back to normal (so far...)

All the best to get it cured as well. After all how could it be that so many of us suddenly experience a hardware failure?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Alcibiade:
Suddenly back to NO GSM after ome week

Crap phone... Definitely a Hardware issue I would say... Probably long inactivity made it work again and then after using a bit too much back to death...

What pisses me off is to be stuck without being able to use any warranty, while obviously the problem doesnt come from any flashing but from HTC wrong hardware...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] yurz:
From reading this thread it looks there seems to be a problem with the radio on this device. Mine's went dead bout 3 weeks ago. It's a dopod 838 pro. What's worse no phone repair shop would even want to attempt to repair the device as obviously they do not know what exactly is the problem. It's a shame as I was starting to love this phone, in fact I am a convert from symbian to Windows phone. But this problem really changed my perspective. BTW had this phone bout 6 months only :( :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
Overdriven hardware?

This is a very weird epidemic... Before people start slating the hardware I'm not convinced that this is a problem caused by "crap radio hardware" otherwise we would have a lot more dead hermes out there than there is now...

It appears from reading the threads about people who've bricked with this problem that one of the radio roms (1.50+?) is making a change somewhere which is damaging the hardware.

Bearing in mind whenever a firmware update "improves" reception it is driving the radio hardware FPGA chip differently it may be a case that simply, the newer radios are "overdriving" the hardware therefore killing it. You can, after all, only turn the wick up so high :eek:

What we could do with is to know what radios have been flashed onto the affected devices previously (not just the current radio) and for the new owners who've had their machines "die" - how new were they? Were they the latest rom images or were they modified etc..?

Just my thoughts...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ai6908:
Wonder how many people had 1.54 radio before their hardware died!! Kahru can you create a poll for this in this thread? Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
Looks like there is another case brewing here

This users post is apparently showing the same early signs so I've asked them to provide a little more information...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Prerna:
It's tempting for me too to think 1.54 is a possible culprit, although so many installed it without complaint (as seen on 1.54 thread)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ai6908:
Agree there are many people with 1.54, so I really cant say for sure it is the radio...if it is really 1.54 that makes it bad, then everything out there with 1.54 will go bad.

Life of a device if always different from each other, maybe 1.54 makes them go bad which on on its edge.

In my case, i was running 1.54 for couple or three days, didnt like the reception in my area, so went back to 1.47.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbirsen:
I can tell you all for sure that this has definitely got nothing to do with version 1.54. Maybe 1.50 xxx and upwards...Or HardSPL etc..

I had the official WM5 T-Mobile UK ROM for 8 months, and everything worked fine until I started installing cooked and official WM6 ROMs. I never even tried 1.54 and still always have the exact same problems as everybody else on this thread whatever ROM and radio version I try (like loosing signal, '!' signs,'No IMEI', 'Phone not ready', calls going to voice mail... etc). I never tried HTC lite, but did install some of the other cooked ROMs, both with and without radio

I since have bought a Vario III (Kaiser) and I'm using it with the same SIM without problems.

So to summarize, the SIM, HTC lite or any other ROM or radio 1.54 are not the problem. I tried reverting back to the official T-Mobile WM5 & WM6 ROMs without success, it always works for a few days and then starts screwing up again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbrown138:
I did not start running 1.54 until after the issue started so I have a hard time believing that 1.54 caused this issue.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
Ok.. So you're a hardware designer within HTC then that knows exactly whats inside the radio firmware and the tolerances of the radio hardware? :eek:

Also, one of your previous posts here states that you had "no problems until you upgraded to radio 1.50" so shall I add you to the list of dying Hermes running a 1.5x radio?

NO-ONE

can tell for sure until there is more facts about this problem and to say catagorically there isn't a problem (or to catagorically say there is for that matter) is irresponsible at this stage.

OS images, Hard SPL etc certainly do not cause any GSM issues on their own - they are tried and tested and been around too long - however what needs to be investigated is :

* Radio in use when machine died and circumstances of death

* OS ROM and radio combination

* Hardware modifications

* Age of device

* Location, network and band behaviour.

Also, some "problems" with missed calls, dropped data and dialing problems etc are well known and well discussed on T-Mobile UK's 3G, EDGE and HSDPA network which has (since birth) suffered some problems in some cells with calls not getting through, failed calls etc. There are threads documenting this, T-Mobile are aware of this and these issues do not occur when on the GSM/GPRS band.

There are a lot of variables to research at the moment and it's only FAIR to state that there has been a large number of dead GSM's recently and they all have a lot in common. A lot more since October than during the rest of 2007 (as posted on this board and around the usenet).

Look at the deaths posted here since the end of November - only ONE was NOT using a 1.54.xx.xx radio.. (see attached table - ASCII format).

As ai6908 stated in his post - if it is a bad radio, we will see ever more of these failures and a trend *will* ultimately become clearer - and as he's also pointed out (and as I said in my original warning)

IF

there is a problem it may only happen under certain circumstances.

There have been too many "co-incidences" recently and all I (and others) are saying is to be careful until more details are known. Too many people have become "flash happy" and then cry about the devices being crap when problems could have been avoided *IF* people did their research properly first.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
Yup :( I tend to agree that it can't just be 1.5x.xx/1.54.xx on it's own - something else must be happening - some circumstance that's common - but whatever is happening, it's happening in the radio PGA and it fatal.

Now I have some specific cases to study and have some updated info in this thread. Very long post but trends are starting to appear.

I've spent nearly 15 solid hours now looking at peoples comments on the 1.54,xx radios and cross-referencing individuals users posts from other threads to find common issues - Possibly the same amount of time I spent here yesterday and will probably spend here tomorrow (not working until Monday!)

Thats why I got a bit heated with sbirsen's comments below - who is a classic case in point when you look through his history of posts here (when first trying 1.50 and finding problems that he couldn't resolve) and here where rollbacks to anything fail -

Happy hermies until 1.50 then problems regardless of ROM/radio installed and apparently no knowledge (at the time - but prolly learnt lots now) that OS/RIL are separate and can suffer separate issues yet was happy to dismiss everything as OK with 1.54 as he buggered his hermes with 1.50! We're all safe to 1.54 and suffer the same fate he suffered if a bug is indeed present :rolleyes:

His post wasn't helpful, and was irresponsibly dismissive when a problem is trying to be researched to prevent people innocently killing their devices and it's the sort of thing that generates a flamewar - and I need to keep my temper a bit :o as I assume it was a comment made in good faith from someone who doesn't understand what we're talking about... And ironically a good case study that at least made me smile after 15 hrs sat on this terminal :p