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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] neshke:
hemes200

I have hermes 200 with radio 1.54.30.10

and naked rom 3.62 for about 30 days testing it and I have no problems

except when changing from 3G to EDGE , radio needs to much time to switch from 3G to EDGE and reverse ,

This can be because network provider I don't know.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Prerna:
Congrats!

@ Mikeappollo, your study and works on this topic are really impressive, and come right on time. Thanks a lot for that, and keep up with the great job!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] max414:
I probably lie in this category,But i am a bit different than others..I have no problems with (Waridtel)but i get infinite search for signal on (Ufone)..Is there any logical reason behind this?I mean the same radio runs good for one network and not for the other?Well both are gsm..

Could you elaborate these steps?

What if the phone doest catch the signal?i have to flash it twice?Should i allow the device to reboot after one successful flash?How can I disconnect battery and do a soft reset without a battery?:confused:I know i am being stupid..:cool:

Was using 1.54 before and had the same prob and using 1.47 these days but the prob lies there...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
Thats a network issue not a Sudden Death issue or symptom

I'm very tired having been up for over 24hrs and esp after that last post so forgive me if I come over a little blunt :eek:

You DO NOT fall into this catagory - here's why :

1) Networks vary and different networks work differently - thats why they compete with each other for your hard earned cash. If your phone works fine with one network with no issues at all - but doesn't work on another and this is repeated in many different locations (not just your home cell) then it's

either

an issue with the network

OR

you haven't got a radio optimised for both. That's why different network operators ROMs have different radio rom updates in them:D That's your logical reason for what you are seeing. I'm in the UK and have no access to either of your networks so can not directly test or help you by explaining the differences between them as I have no access to either networks technical data (and my test kit wouldn't stretch from my desk here anyway :D )

2) If your radio is running fine on at least one network with no issues at all then you do NOT have sudden radio death nor a symptom of it. If it was running poorly and behaving the same on BOTH or MANY networks after trying many different radios then could be a symptom of something very wrong but you do not have this problem either. From what you've said it is not showing symptoms of sudden death.

3) The steps are quite simple -

but in your case you DO NOT need to perform this operation, it will NOT cure your problem

and it would probably cause more harm than good. (too many

unnecessary

radio flashes are baaaaaad)

Thank you and goodni... oh bugger it - I've missed night and it's clearly starting to be day outside *again* <groans>

PS. If any tech support desk needs a bum on seat in either North-West or the South East of the UK - I am now OFFICIALLY AVAILABLE FOR HIRE as I'm officially unemployed from tomorrow morning! I don't have a degree so never get through the paper sift (hence unemployed) but do have the experience and skills and plenty of developers certificates..I-thank-you.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] max414:
what if both the networks work fine on my friends hermes?his radio is 1.16..

Want to add a ittle more,while i was using 1.54.30 i was able to get signals of ufone after waiting for almost 8 hrs..but whenever i placed a call or a sms it would just get buggy and i had to softreset and then it would again start searching for signal.But eversince i downgraded to 1.47 my phone couldnt get ufone signals no matter how long it keeps on searching for signals..

Is there anything i can try before blaming my operator for all the fuss?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
You have not posted any relevent new information and I can tell this question is going to go on and it's now in the wrong thread.

Can i refer you to your own post made here in November when you couldn't get the ufone SIM to work in Hermes. That _is_ the same issue and it is _not_ GSM death related at all if another sim works good. I haven't read all your posts about this in other threads (as I'm doing my own research at the moment) but have you checked to see if your Hermes is SIMlocked, if the SIM card itself you are attempting to use works in another phone and even if its the correct type of SIM. Once those options are ruled out we can then look into the radio issue.

You **MUST** realise

every radio has the potential to work differently on every network even when sitting in the same spot in the same chair... Networks that work on 1.47 might not work on 1.16 and vice-versa

. Your phone is still

not

broken (We can arrange this for a small fee tho - I thought you'd be pleased it wasn't a sudden death phone!) If you put that ufone SIM in *my* Hermes here it prolly still not work but my phone works absolutely fine on all 4 GSM networks here in the UK (good on 2, bad on 2).

You arecomparing a tennis ball with a lemon and asking why the lemon doesn't bounce on the bat while your mates telling you how the tennis ball he is sucking tastes funny but you're both agreeing each item is yellow and round and asking whats wrong with your oranges.:D

TO CONFIRM A

HARDWARE PROBLEM

- YOU NEED TO COMPARE LIKE TO LIKE.

Your phone with radio xxxx and mates phone with *SAME* radio and try both networks on both phones or at least find someone else who uses ufone and ask them what radio they are running and then YOU try that radio if you can safely flash it on!!

.

</polite>

That answers this question in this thread (seriously)

If you really think you've got a 1.54/1.47 issue then we can continue this discussion in "potential 1.54 problem" thread.

If your phones radio completely bricks up on ALL networks including one you KNOW works wells on your device then we can discuss this further in this thread.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] thuper29:
I've been having the problem with my signal unknowingly becoming useless after a few hours, or losing it completely and have been running 1.54.07. I tried the potential fix #1 last night installing 1.43 and left my phone on all night, and still have a working signal so things are looking good so far...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] galaxys:
ok, but what's your device rom, where u located, and what carrier do u use???
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] thuper29:
Ive got vp3g's 3.62 rom on an 8525 and Im on att in northern california
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sbirsen:
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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Jeeest:
Extra screws fixed my NO GSM problem

I have had "No GSM" problems for the last few weeks. I have installed "HERM_Radio_Only_1.54.07.00_CustomRUU" at one time. At one time I was not able to boot any longer. Don't ask me to reconstruct it, but somehow I managed to reinstall the ROM "K's Rom v1.30a Full (4mbpp)" (and still got these error messages). I went back to "HERM_Radio_Only_1.47.00.10_CustomRUU". I even tried Mikeapollo's 'installing it three times in a row' method, and unfortunately still got these errors.

Desperately I took the thing apart (essentially point 1 - 5 from http://www.pdacenter.ru/razborka/razbor_hermes/) and tightened the screws inside and put some extra screws in holes that had no screws (I did this because I thought my keyboard was hanging a little bit loose). By the way, one of the holes should not have a screw because then it gets through the keyboard (luckily it didn't damage anything). Take your microsd out before doing all this (I forgot and broke it). Anyhow, it seems everything is working fine again and even the battery is back to normal. So this might be an alternative method for people to use. No, I don't have any pictures of where I put the extra screws and do not intend to open the phone again (sorry for that).

K's Rom v1.30a Full

Radio: 1.47.00.10

HERM300

DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER *** I AM NO EXPERT IN THIS MATTER *** DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Mikeapollo:
Interesting... and glad you got it working again!

I'm suddenly getting visions of wonky ground connections on this brick fixed by tightening the screws..? Maybe a few others have a screw loose ;)

Certainly I could understand poor connections causing unpredictable hardware issues... Either way, for the last resorters it might be a good idea to check the hardware is all firmly connected on the inside if nothing else works and see if that solves mystery problems.

Nice post Jeeest - thanks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] zim2dive:
It will be interesting to see if the battery consumption tests show any correlation between the newer radios and higher consumption ...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=358933

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=358599
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] igord:
I have problems with signal. But it is not NO GSM problem, I see only "none"...Once I saw NO GSM, but with some help of MTTY I get it back to "none".

HERM300

T-Mobile TEST ONLY WM6
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Andrey_ORIN:
In short, this situation: devays HTC TyTN(Herm200)overnight has been turned off in the morning put SIM worked well until the first Power OFF After switching already wrote NO GSM I withdrew the accumulator. so 20minutes without Akkumulyator, and then put in place and is working steadily again = ( A What is the problem?

in Fly mode work very well, when "turn on" phone in Comm Manager her shut down =(

Radio flash stoped in 0% ( sometimes it flash

Rom's flash very well

Ships stoped in 11%-12% ((( Sometimes it flash

my English is bad =(

Если что отвечайте на русском
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] yurz:
ok now I think I know basically that the problem is due to the gsm chip being fried.Does anybody ever tried to get this thing repaired ? Any idea how much it would cost ? I'm from Brunei and there is nowhere locally I can get it repaired here. There is just no expertise. Could I get it repaired say in Malaysia or even Thailand ? Thanks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] igord:
I think if GSM/Radio chip is fried the motherboard will not work, and you will see physical damage on the chip. You can tell that problem is coming from heat and when is cooled down it works ok, but I think that is not problem. Someone says that there are some errors in the radio rom code.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] yurz:
your comment really gives me some hope as my hermes never experienced any overheating issue.It just went dead. No GSM. So how do you get the code working ? Where can I get it sent for repairs ? Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Jeeest:
the extra screws didn't help after all.

This trick worked for a week or so, but now I am back to the usual "NO GSM". Indeed I am no expert.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] eperez84:
radio 1.43

having same problems as everyone else though mine started running radio 1.48 and black satin

wanted to try possible 1.43 radio fix any clues where i can find it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] GreatGrey:
We have about 800 Tytn's (Vodaphone 1605) in my company, I do a lot of field upgrades on the devices. Ran across one that GSM worked right after booting, but then quit after a few minutes. Did a radio rom flash, and it failed.

Put the brick in the fridge for a few hours, and it then accecpted the radio rom flash. But the dead GSM reappeared once the device got warm. On one boot I would get NO GSM, another I got the NONE message, in no particular order. I was able to duplicate the effect multiple times, and I swapped out the users device for a good one.

He lost it 3 hours later.

:mad::mad::mad:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] AdamTibi:
Hi,

I had the same problem without touching my phone (SPV M3100 from Orange), I didn't do any type of software upgrade! I started losing the signal every 5 to 10 min and while I'm using it! Then I needed to wait a while waiting it to find the network and connect again. Some friends reported calling me and got the voice mail. Also, I've noticed that when the signal fails while talking on the phone, clicking the "end" from the screen or clicking the "end call" hardware button won't end the call (even though, I am sure I am disconnected as I can't hear the other party)! It takes from 5 sec to 30 sec to get disconnected.

I've been using this phone for a year without having any signal problem. So, I tried to following:

Upgraded to the official ROM by Orange - Same problem.

Then I started trying all Radio versions - Same problem.

Tried WM6 and other cooked OSes (I know that this has no effect, but it won't harm) - Same problem.

That leads me to that this is a hardware problem, what do you think?!

Cheers

-------------------------------------------------------

Update

My phone reception has been working for 13 consecutive hours (and still working) without interruption after removing the battery for 30 min.

Even though before that I tried hard resetting it and removed the battery temporarily to clean the SIM but that didn't solve it! However, leaving the battery out for 30 min might have solved it!

cheers
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] AdamTibi:
Standard battery
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Bergerac56:
I believe also that it is a hardware problem. It seems that heat is affecting the radio part. At the good old time of physical overclocking of PCs, THE test was to overheat a bit the processor with a hairdryer or to cool it down with one of those refrigerating sprays. Could it be possible that, due to the radio firmware, the radio chip is pushed to its limits (a sort of overclocking)? The normal result would be a shorter life, or destruction of the chip. If this is the case, i fear that there is no "logical" solution. Only replacement of the chip. Could be interesting to be able to "freeze" the chip on a tytn intermitently affected by the problem. If it works again fine when very cold... then...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] cauboi25:
NO GSM then NO MORE BOOT!

Hi, can anyone help me?

i was sufring the "NO GSM" problem, and could not flash radio roms...now i can't even boot my 8525. It gets stuck in the green screen

What should i do?

Tankxs!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] XellDusk:
This has happened to me. No problems flashing my radio (i've done it with my previous Hermes with no problem - was replaced by insurance) before, but going from Orange's standard WM5 radio 1.30, to Pays WM6 ROM and 1.47, I have had the sudden death issue. What I noticed only today is that the radio information is missing from the Device Information, but after an hour or so, it comes back.

I haven't been able to make outgoing or incoming calls when I do have reception as well.

Finally, I've downgraded to the Official Orange ROM and Radio with no luck at all.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kingkhan:
having same problem...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=362790

thanks for reading and possibly helping :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] fhteagle:
Add another one to the count

Phone: Cingular 8525

ROM at death: official HTC released (AT&T branded) WM6, radio 1.54.07

Time w/ ROM on: 3 weeks, plus or minus a couple days

Symptoms: "No GSM" after soft or hard reset, cannot hold calls or data connections, symptom continued after downgrade to official WM5

Previous use info: Phone was manufactured in the 47th week of 2006 (according to HTC America RMA department... apparently the first 3 numbers of the S/N like 647 tell you that). Phone used by college student in South Carolina until summer 07, when I purchased it. No idea what ROM or battery he was using but I got it with the standard batt and WM5 / 1.43.x radio on it. Phone worked fairly well until I put the WM6 / 1.54.07.00 on (still with standard battery and etc).

All of my use was in the US, mostly near Dallas metroplex with 2+ bars of HSDPA-ready signal, but with some amount of travel to EDGE only areas (maybe 12-15 hours a week in such locations). Phone may have been driven fairly hard before/during/after the WM6 flash as I am often in the cockpit of airplanes which acts like a big farraday cage with lots of additional RF transmitting and receiving gear in it... aka an electronic transmission nightmare!

Phone has never had cooked or unofficial ROMs on it to my knowledge.

Good news is that AT&T is covering what HTC claims is "not under warranty damage" ***, and is supposed to be shipping me out an 8925 to replace it. I am still out $28 bucks for THC to 'triage' the 8525, but if AT&T honors their word about getting a new phone out to me, well, I will certainly consider it a small loss indeed. Either way this is still the first and the last HTC made anything I spend my money on.

*** Someone please explain to me how _their_ firmware release damaging _their_ hardware design is something that voids a warranty?

---------------------------

Update 2008-02-09:

Finally convinced the escalations team that if I was promised a replacement phone twice (then a third time), that they really do need to ship one out. It should be here Monday.

IF YOUR 8525 IS WITHIN ONE YEAR OF DATE OF PURCHASE AND THIS OCCURS TO IT, IT IS A WARRANTY ISSUE. HTC and ATnT may try to complicate the issue and make it seem like they do not need to cover it, but bottom line is that they do, especially now that there is precedent that they will!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chupchae:
Unfortunatelly, people with "untouched" devices are not going to show-up at this or other forums. I can only assume that they ("untouched" with radio failures) are existing, but if you try to do statistics from the forum members it is going to be very, very different from the real statistics of whole TyTN population.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chupchae:
This is known bug of newer ROMs. After loosing of signal (or device power off) phone shows "infinite search for GSM signal" but indeed it has GSM connection, because phone is functioning during this "search". Soft reset is synchronising today screen with actual situation of having GSM connection.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] gondalguru:
I am having all these problems discribed here. Intermitten NO GSM message, frequent call drops, Unable to make calls even showing 3-4 bars signal strength, phone freezes in the middle of the call, unable to disconnect the call, calls directly going to voicemail even phone shows 4 signal bars.

I was testing different things and I kept field test open to see happens. In the field test window most numbers will become zone / na intermittenly. So I think even the signal strength is 4 bars radio keep loosing signals or malfunctioning intermittenly.

I have tried variety of coocked roms and radio's. I don't recall what radio I had last when this started to happen like 3 - 4 weeks ago. Currently I have 1.40 and using crc's rom. I do remember that this started to happen after I flashed TNT se professional rom. May be its just a co incidence.

I am still able to flash OS / radio ROMs with out any problem.

One more thing - I did drop the phone 2-3 days prior to the onset of this problem.

I love this phone and I got it on the first day It was launched by cingular - Nov 16th 2006. I am obviously out of warranty. Talked to HTC and they say they need to look at the phone to see whats wrong with it and charge is 28 dollars for that plus extra depending on the problem.

For those who bought the phone using credit card -- try extended warranty benefit offered by master-visa-amex cards. I am trying my luck with mastercard and see if they will cover the cost under the extended warranty benefit.

Good Luck to all.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] AdamTibi:
I haven't touch my device and this happened to me... After that I tried different radios and roms to try solving the problem, but couldn't, I think it is a hardware one.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mcfisco:
The radio on my Herm200 has died after allowing the battery to drain completely - just nothing there now after recharging.

I can flash new roms onto it but not radios or run the unlock again

It doesn't look promising at all as I bought it 2nd hand & don't have the original receipt :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ai6908:
Try putting it in the ice box for about 10 to 15 mins, and then flash using SD card method. Maybe that can be help!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] gondalguru:
Thanks pedro for one more suggestion.

I tried it and it didn't work for me. Same problem continues. My only hope is creditcard extended warranty program to get anything out of this situation.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] brici:
news?

Does anyone have new information? Maybe someone who shipped it back for repair? Or anyone trying the 3 times flash?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] beebrox:
Works fine after sent for repair

I have been having similar problems with my i-mate JASJAM (HERMES 100) for the last couple of months.

Troubles started after I upgraded to WM6 with 1.54 radio. The symptoms observed were:

- Cannot close the call

- GSM not available

- Sometimes GSM signal is there but callers would get the message that "the phone is switched off". A soft reset works sometimes.

Problems persisted even after I reverted back to WM5. Finally, I sent it off for repair.

I couldn't find out what exactly was repaired, but here are brief responses from the repair guy:

- Replaced a power amplifier or something like that...

- Reinstalled WM5.

It is been one week and working fine. Haven't tried out moving to WM6 again. May be, I will wait for some more time :-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] brici:
use the fridge

for me it looks like it is enough to put the hermes into the fridge for some 15 minutes. it works now for several hours. will keep you posted.

edit: I was able to fully flash the rom now for the third time within 40 minutes. Without a failed update. What's the secret? I really do not know. Maybe the fridge :). I also moved back to the ancient rom upgrading method of the Himalaya when I had to remove the sim card. We just passed 11%. So the radio is refreshing again. Try upgrading WITHOUT the sim card. Feedbacks welcome.

ps: it is definitely not my idea in case it works. just posting.

bad news: it did not help anything at all. Will bring it back to the operator to have it repaired.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] one hand high:
I guess I was lucky to catch this early. I had Radio 1.54xxx on my 8525 and last week I started to have problems with GSM. It would take a long time to find a signal and when it did it wouldn't connect to the internet and no calls could be made. I just flashed back to 1.47 and all seems to be well so far. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] hodgsonio:
any news?

I have same issue -unable to flash radio on herm300. I have tried all combinations of roms and flashing methods but no luck. also tried the "flash 3 times" method and no luck again.

I'm beginning to think that maybe the 1.5x radio has indeed goosed the chip. has no-one found any kind of definate fix? (even getting hardware fix with decent explanation would at least confirm that chip is being fried)