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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Septfox:
Security against vulnerabilities? That argument would have a better chance of standing up if it weren't for the fact that the last Turbo OTA (and with it Android security patches) was dated...when was it? May sometime? As I understand, this utter lack of interest in keeping their customers "safe" isn't limited to the Turbo, either.

The administrative thing would be understandable if unlocking the bootloader were as simple as throwing a switch and carrying on. But it's not; even for Motorola devices with officially-available unlocks, they make very sure you know that you're voiding your warranty and that they're completely hands-off after you do. Oh, and it wipes your phone. If the user is vacant-minded enough to continue after all that, then what more is there to be done?

The thing of it is, they do care. Their caring is the problem. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have specifically requested that Motorola refuse unlock requests. This is a key thing: Motorola handles unlocks, allowing them would cost Verizon nothing.

Their care, however, extends very specifically to keeping their users under control, not secure. Again, no firmware update since May, no security patches, no patch for the well- and publicly-documented security hole in their bootloader code that allows unlocking

without a wipe to maintain customer security

.

As for your last remark, consider this: the alternative is having a fully secure bootloader and naively depending on an undependable carrier to distribute security patches.

Given the choices of A) the above or B) hoping for an exploitable vulnerability to enable updating my firmware and in turn patching several others, which is more idiotic?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Agreed. Running custom ROMs you actually have BETTER security than Verizon gives you. My 6.0.1 RR has November 2016 security patches.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] someguyatx:
Same thing happened on Droid Maxx with lollipop never arriving. I've moved on from Turbo but the wife and a few family members still have one. They don't know or care about updates so they haven't complained but all are now considering new devices in the next few months. I definitely won't be using or recommending any Droid devices in the future.

At the moment I'm using a 6S Plus for work and the battery life is easily double the Turbo on its best day.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mrkhigh:
*Verizon

Motorola is not too blame

And droid is an oddly shared name.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Sparksys:
So you are telling me..the battery of the iPhone 6s plus is better than the Droid Turbo with 3900mah battery

Nice Story :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
i totally believe it. 1.8ghz dual core processor, and no MM battery drain. my wifes seems to hang with, if not beat my turbo on any ROM. do i like that? no. However, it is a true statement.

my Droid Maxx developer edition made me realize, for sure, i had bet on the wrong horse with Motorola for development.

The Turbo is my favorite device ive owned, but it isn't hard to see there is, and always has been, room to improve, especially in battery life.

Software updates are not always better. Case and point, the JB my Droid Maxx Dev Edition came with literally lasted 2 days without any charging. The second i upgraded to KK, battery life plummeted, and usb otg quit working.

Ultimately, Apple products use lesser-than-spec'd chips and they write really efficient software. But then again, there isnt a whole lot of innovation unless apple decides to do add a new feature whereas this community yields new things. (Halo and Heads up come to mind. )

Motorola needs to figure out how to harness the power of users like us 1% ers. im afraid it isn't through soak tests like this one. Also, im fairly certain the soak has not happened at all yet.

As a point of reference, jcase had said his was just an update. i.e.- Not MFN.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] someguyatx:
Yeah I've owned two different Turbo and the 6S Plus kills it in actual usage battery life on iOS10. A regular day that would leave my Turbo around 30% leaves the 6S Plus at 60%+. At the moment I've been off the charger for over 9 hours, have 45mins usage and battery is at 96%. Turbo (and every other Android) would be around 80% by now.

The phone itself is a nice piece of hardware but not great or special. The screen is larger at 5.5 but it's also a 1080P LCD so it uses less juice than the Turbo. At the end of the day iOS is just so optimized for a few pieces of hardware that it uses less resources to do the same job.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jimakos29:
it is coming, downloading it as we speak
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jimakos29:
1170MB
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Okmed:
What is it big enough to be MM with some added bloat.

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Are you part of MFN or is this out in general?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Please save the ota and post it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jimakos29:
android M
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Okmed:
Not bad VZ only 1.3 years after the release.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jimakos29:
too late, plus xda would take it down as with other soak tests
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Okmed:
And the security patch is Sept. Almost up to date

VZ really sucks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 3Dota:
nice ... better security patch ...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Well thanks at least for confirmation of installation while breaking your NDA lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Looks like they've left some breathing room for themselves in the form of a security patch later this month, or next year.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Sparksys:
For whoever got the update please release it

I find it weird why I didn't receive ota :/
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
It goes out by MEID number, earlier ones first. Unless it is a soak, then it only goes out to registered testers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Septfox:
September security patch, huh. I wonder if they're going to bother updating it for the official release, or just be all "welp, the soak didn't cause anyone's phone to burst into flames, ship it".

At least the kernel is freshly built (or was when the soak began).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] JTH182:
I'm missing an app after the update, and I can't figure out which one, lol! Did some bloatware go away? My app drawer is one spot off from what I'm used to. The app name would start between A-G I think.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yehison:
Amazing but my droid turbo was unlocked bootloader..

I can't install OTA
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
As long as you have pure, bare-bone, unaltered stock ROM and recovery, tje OTA should take, unless they put in a check of the bootloader now.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] yehison:
That's right

But sunshine say if you have unlocked bootloader is impossible install updates OTA
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 3Dota:
lol ... cant hardly wait cause it's fresh kernel ...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Have you tried it? It'll either fail or take. If it fails, no biggie. Someone will likely make a flashable version.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Septfox:
You could try downloading the update, unpacking it yourself, and manually flashing system and radio images in fastboot...

I mean, I have no idea if it'd actually be that straightforward, and you wouldn't have any sort of update script to guide the process so the contents of /data might end up being incompatible, but I don't see that it'd hurt to try if you take a TWRP backup first.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
As an afterthought, if you did Flash TWRP as part of the sunshine process, then yes, the OTA will fail because you don't have a stock recovery. You can find the stock recovery image file many places comment just Google it. There are some free apps on Google market that will allow you to flash directly from the phone.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] monza1412:
Indeed, I bet that this release is the same that the latest soak5 Brazilian version we saw this week (same security patches), of course with Verizon touches.

Apparently bhb kernel had some compatibility problems with the WiFi radio in that Brazilian update, at least one person report that, (be aware of that if you try a custom kernel atm.) so something else besides security updates has changed in comparison to the earliest 6.0.1 quark release.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
You never want the OTA from Verizon. The files will be available for flashing manually here on this forum, while keeping TWRP. Look around. SUTL-44 and SUTL-49, the last two, are here. The next one will be also.

Plus CF will make a debloated ROM based on this. Trust me, you'll have plenty of ways to install this instead of control freak Verizon OTA. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TheSt33v:
So do we know if this is the soak test OTA or the actual OTA? If someone can get me a copy of it, I can tell you if it will lock the bootloader or not. I can also make it flashable. You should be able to find it in /cache if I remember correctly.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Tokogon:
Someone help this man. xD
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Is it only there BEFORE you install, or does it stay after installation too?

A lot of people are just selfishly installing and not thinking about helping the XDA community first! :p
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TheSt33v:
I'm not sure. I would recommend looking for it after the download completes but before the update starts. There should be an additional confirmation that appears before it actually performs the update, so that gives you some time to go in and dig for it.

I just reverted to stock -49, so if it's a general update, hopefully I'll have it soon. I'm not part of the soak test though.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
It is only before you install
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Just as a refresher for myself, I reflashed SU-44 (skipping motoboot (boot loader) and gpt.bin (partition table) (since perma-bricking is not fun)and downloaded SU49. You are correct [MENTION=2496746]th3[/MENTION]st33v , the location is /cache.

To those who were wondering, unlocked bootloader does not affect the ability to update OTA; Installing TWRP does. the update has to be installed via stock recovery on a /system that has not been modified.

It isn't hard to get back to that point provided you know or are willing to learn basic fastboot, adb, and terminal commands. Or you could check out the files TheSt33v made a while back for people to get back to stock. Particularly, the one with stock recovery still intact. Many thanks there, brother.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
I got the updated and now my phone wont boot past the bootloader -_-....motofail.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
In order for someone to pull/copy it, they would have to have custom recovery or root, both of which make the update fail. The key is powering down once its downloaded and going to twrp and copying the OTA from /cache to /sdcard somewhere. Most people don't think this out and realize after the fact that its gone.

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So were you still rooted with TWRP installed, or did you go back to stock recovery?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
This device was never rooted to start with, completely stock.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] square1230:
Link of update.... OTA
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Do you have mfastboot and adb installed on your computer?

Can you boot to recovery?

To get you back up and running,, you will need to download SU-49 if you don't already have it and reflash everything *EXCEPT* GPT.BIN AND MOTOBOOT. [This is IMPERATIVE, as you will BRICK beyond repair if you flash those two]Your phone will boot and allow you to try again then.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Einsteindks:
Upgrade Assistant doesn't work as a workaround. Definitely meid based
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
I was about to download it to get the device back working, but at the same time I was thinking of waiting for the moto dev forums to open up to post there. One of my friends who got the update has the same issue, we are both identically stuck at the same spot with the same errors. None of options on the bootloader screen seem to help, it just loops back including recovery and factory.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Guapo613:
I got it a day ago and deleted it without thinking. I am still on SU4TL-44 so I thought it was just -49. I just renamed my 3c_ota from .bak to .apk and when I get the update, I'll upload it to whoever needs it

EDIT: If I remember correctly, the update was huge, over a gig in size
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Sparksys:
Upload it for the poor droid turbo users who stuck over 1 year on lollipop 5.1
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Just remember it will also be posted to File Factory soon... As well as 100 other websites.

You all are obsessing over nothing. :)

EVERY QUARK FIRMWARE EVER RELEASED

http://www.filefactory.com/folder/f9d1880e6c5b4800/?sort=created&order=DESC&show=50
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Guapo613:
I live out in the country so I need to be out and about for me to receive the update, when I get it, I will fo sho upload it here.

One more thing of note, since I have Carrier Pigeon internet (Slow as hell!), it might take a while to upload this massive update.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Cool. Sounds like ya know what you're doing. ;)

Sometimes. I see posts like that and people need help walking through the process. I'd say ask on moto forums. Especially if you know its a replicated issue. I'm presuming you are not part of a soak, just a user that received the OTA, right?

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Except the new one. Lol
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
The last three Verizon Lollipop updates (SUTL-39, SUTL-44 and SUTL-49) were all 1.40GB or bigger. So, yeah.

______________

I said "soon". ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Guapo613:
Dude, are you the Grinch or just a Curmudgeon?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
He is *just* the bearer of logic when it is absent. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Just confirming your observation. Why are you blaming me? YOU are the who said "the update was huge, over a gig in size."

Do you not remember typing that? You brought up the size of the update. I'm merely saying you are correct -- based on all other firmware ever released for not only the Droid Turbo, but for all Quarks. Do you want me to lie to you and say you are wrong, that's it's only 100MB or something? :confused:

Go here and look at all the past Quark firmware file sizes. If you only want Verizon Droid Turbo, look for "VRZ". Ever since Lollipop (July 2015), the Droid Turbo firmware file size has not been under 1.40GB.

EVERY QUARK FIRMWARE EVER RELEASED

http://www.filefactory.com/folder/f9d1880e6c5b4800/?sort=created&order=DESC&show=50
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
I am just going to give this a go. Just to confirm when you say motoboot, is that the boot.img file I need to avoid? I was going to follow sd_shadow mfastboot to unbrick method.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
No. Boot and motoboot are two very separate and different partitions. Boot is your kernel. Motoboot is your boot loader and several other parts of securuty. (Tz, Aboot, Etc. )

Definitely do not reflash motoboot.IMG and gpt.bin (partition table)

These are written in a no-going-back-ever format and yield bricks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
Well guess I might be out of luck because I don't think you can go backwards once you get the update. I get the error when attempting to flash the required files (making sure not to flash the ones you mentioned):

C:\ADB\mfastboot flash boot boot.img

target max-sparse-size: 256MB

sending 'boot' (16384 KB)...

OKAY [ 0.516s]

writing 'boot'...

(bootloader) Preflash validation failed

FAILED (remote failure)

finished. total time: 0.777s

Sigh, I wish I could speed up my Pixel XL order..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Actually, idk what you should there.

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skip mfastboot flash boot boot.IMG then.

System. IMG should still flash okay from su-49. The radio file should be interchangeable as well.

I've never heard of boot.IMG not allowing flash. They might have changed something in the hashes.

(Or checks thereof)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
I tried skipping the boot.img earlier but no go. The same occurred for the recovery.img and the system.img files. The system.img flash gives this additional "Invalid signed image" error. Now I am just playing the waiting game for moto dev forums to open up.

target max-sparse-size: 256MB

sending 'system' (235017 KB)...

OKAY [ 7.358s]

writing 'system'...

(bootloader) Invalid signed image

(bootloader) Preflash validation failed

FAILED (remote failure)

finished. total time: 7.495s
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
That sucks man. Which variant of Turbo do you have? MGF, BN, BN 64? I'm hoping its not a BN 64. In the boot loader screen, which RAM (HYNIX or SAMSUNG) do you have?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
BN 64 with Hynix RAM
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Crap. Guess I'm waiting. Oh wait. Mine is Samsung. What about your buddy?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
I'd get all of this (for yours) ready for moto bc its gonna come down to which batch of turbos brick out on ota. Mine is an EE BN 64.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
Yeah, I got the info written down. Here is what mine looks like if anyone is interested in not taking the update leap currently.

BL: moto-apq8084-70.95

Product: quark XT1254 64GB P4A

CPU: APQ8084 ES1.1

eMMC: 64GB Hynix RV=07 PV=03 TY=57

DRAM: 3072MB Hynix S8 SDRAM DIE=6GB
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] square1230:
What is this???? .-.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Trying to figure out which turbos will brick on OTA. That is what the Bootloader screen says.

Correction: no brick bc of ota.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TheSt33v:
Hey people with unlocked bootloaders who got the OTA! Please do this:

1. Flash TWRP

2. Boot into TWRP and use the file browser to navigate to /cache

3. Find the OTA and copy it to somewhere convenient like /sdcard/download

4. Upload it somewhere and send it to me.

Doooo iiiiiiitttt......

PS don't be afraid to take the OTA if you have TWRP flashed. The OTA will download, but it will fail the update process as long as TWRP is present.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Okmed:
If you do not have it by tomorrow let me know and I will put 5.1 back on my phone and get it for you.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ChazzMatt:
Never take the OTA. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
The question is are you able to flash backwards. Judging by the errors I ran into with a failed update, I assumed you wouldn't be able to in stock form that is. Granted I didn't try to flash the bootloader and gpt out of fear of making it worst.

I wonder if I could use the boot/recovery image you have running successfully to fix mine.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
So you weren't boot loader unlocked, right?

I had (naively) presumed you were. On a locked BL device, you can't go backwards.

Also, everything has to check itself against the hashes in the system, so pretty much your only solution is to wait for an FXZ. I'd start demanding a replacement from Moto now. Takes a while. (I should know. Lol. )

Especially if you didn't unlock your bootloader.

Anyone? Lol. Stock is killing me.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Ks0:
Sorry I should have mentioned that before that this device wasn't unlocked. I have a feeling that Moto dev forums aren't going to open up until Monday. I guess I'm phone-less for the weekend unless I can find my other Droid. :( On the bright side my Pixel XL comes in a week later. I will finally be freed from the Moto/Verizon shackles!!! :D
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
It was *my* assumption. ;) no worries.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
Can someone who has the ota at least pm it to CF so that he can release it as a debloated rom? That way you don't have your name on it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] TheSt33v:
I think he will. I remember reading about someone in your situation back when SU4TL-49 came out, and they couldn't flash anything at all until they got a hold of the full SU4TL-49 package to properly flash everything in that build. After they did that, they could flash everything as expected.

It sounds to me that in your case, the update successfully updated the bootloader but it screwed up somewhere later down the line. That's why you can't boot. The bootloader is looking for the new /system, but you still have the old one. There's a chance that when I extract the system/boot/modem/etc. images from my device, you'll be able to flash it to yours and fix the problem, but since your bootloader is locked I'm not sure if it will accept the images that I generate. No harm in trying though.

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No one has sent me anything. [MENTION=7834043]Okmed[/MENTION], I know it's not technically tomorrow yet, but if your offer is still on the table, you might be our only hope. The update might even still be there from when you updated. Check /cache using TWRP (you need root permission to get there).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
You lie....up to date? No. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Flash6r:
It really is out....:)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Ha ha. Yeah, I know. I'm just frustrated being on stock waiting for my Meid's turn in line. ;)

edit....kinda gave up for the night. rocking nx rom mm now, which , BTW isn't bad.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Guapo613:
I'm not sure what I did but after waiting all day for the update to arrive (I had previously got it but without thinking I deleted it and restored a backup of SU4TL-44 that had OTA disabled) but now I cant flash this: http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo/development/rom-su4tl-49-100-stock-t3390041. I'm getting "Error 7"??, I need to be on -49 to receive the update (Android M) again. I've been trying off and on all day to get -49 back on my phone. Any help would be greatly appreciated.