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[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Vorbeth:
Typical, I ordered my HTC Touch on Friday (Arrived today), Then someone posts something like this.

Well thanks to good 'ol Orange My HTC Touch Dual will be here wednesday :)

I just hope now that this can be acheived, as I didn't really want to loose Wi-Fi, but having GPS builtin will be worth it.

And if I can help by dumping files from either device I'll gladly do it.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] PseudoReal:
the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Yeah..thats what i thought....hopefully theres an antenna in there.

So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] IceHack:
PseudoReal how can you say it?

Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?

Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff! :D

come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] tenticle56:
He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:

hdubli, keep up the great work!

You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] LoGiKZ:
Oh yes!! He will be a hero for sure :D :D

By the way, i know that this isn't the right thread, but anyone here knows how can i SIM unlock my dual? and by the way, is there any WWE rom around the corner? :D

Thanks in advance,

LoGiKZ
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] PseudoReal:
There is no built-in antenna because of space limitations. I have heard this from a person working for a company selling the DUAL.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] zeflash:
Funny how people think.

The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.

But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.

You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.

An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Oh yeah...sorry missed that.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] PseudoReal:
fully agree!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Hasn't IceHack mentioned though that he's seen a dual with Wifi and GPS working with tomtom....which must mean it has the antenna.

Also wasn't it the same with the p3600 at release the GPS didnt work and it wasn't in the specs but later rom updates unlocked the GPS......... and the same with the s730 smartphone,not in the actual specs but present in the hardware.

So im hoping this is the case with the Dual ....all the hardware's there including antenna just needs unlocking with future rom updates or hacks.

Hopefully thats the case anyway..gps and wifi in the dual would be perfect and a great replacment for my kaiser.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] andynumpty:
:) keep up the good work.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] IceHack:
Yes guys, as I told you I saw a Dual with this functions active!

i'm sure that was not a MicroSd - Wifi or and GPS BT near to the device!

As happened with my P3300 I saw excatly the same ways of connects....

Now, I really don't know how to do that... even if I don't think that HTC's has decided to unmount the antenna but leaving these settings in it!

Don't you think it doesn't make so much sense?!:cool:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Vorbeth:
hdubli:

Could you posibly post what you have so far, so the more adventurous of us could possibly try to help?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] kwchan:
hmm, is that an excuse or reason?

why don't they build a PDA without screen since the screen also taking up lots of space :rolleyes:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] motin:
htc touch dual

keep up the good work !!!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] shinji_73:
http://www.3gchipsets.co.kr/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf

so can we say that gps is on the touch dual for sure?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] guap:
again... the gps is IN, the matter regards antenna... Please, read all post.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] IceHack:
let me understand: why do they put in the Dual GPS system if then is NOT possible to use?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

...because there's no "antenna"...

Is there maybe a kind of program that needs the GPS system to be used??

...I think it's more possible they put it inside to use (maybe) in the next ROM!

Exactly has happened to P3600 device

than sorry... I'm not so good in english...but where do you see write that there's no antenna in?

I red that the chipset can gets the signal by Support external Bluetooth® 2.0 as one of the possible choose
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] IceHack:
looking to youtube I found this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCwEvmY3LSA

this device has the same chip of Dual (MSM 7200) and as we can see the GPS works...

and the price is very very similar!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] juraj_bond:
as far as I know, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise and Kaiser have all the same qualcomm heart. So all of them have wi-fi and gps. For htc it would be more expensive to have several kinds of CPUs to put in. This one has proven itself to be very good for mobile devices, so they are putting it in the new machines. including gps and wi-fi. If i understand correctly, to NOT include wi-fi and/or GPS there would require a chainsaw.

However, if an antenna is there or not is a very different question. HTC may have decided to have the antenna inside and connected, and block it only with the software (such as was the case with HTC Trinity, if I am not mistaken), or to not connect the antenna at all (original HTC TyTN).

There are at least two reviews available stating that someone was able to get some sort of signal on the Touch Dual, although wery weak. This would indicate that the antenna is indeed not there, although you never know. It's just like a radio .. antenna takes the most space, and technically the radio is able to function without it ... .but you may end up having to have the touch dual resting on the satellite surface to get a lock. As it was mentioned here several times, the Touch Dual has the brains, it's the muscles that it is probably missing :-)

That guy in fnac in Lausanne (I live in lausanne and talked with him) had one of those pre-production Touch Duals that had wi-fi to start with. HTC decided to pull it back only later, as you probably all know.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Any updates on your findings hdubli?

Thanks
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] shinji_73:
we all know that htc released an update that enabled the gps in p3600.

Now, wouldn't be possible to understand (maybe through reverse engineering or whatsoever technique) how the update is able to awake the gps?

If you compare msm7200 chipset (touch dual) and msm6275 chipset (p3600) it seems that gps signal chain is the same...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] slvrbllt:
Incredible!!

That's really incredible !!! It seems that people do not read other posts before typing their message. The last few messages keep on repeating the same thing ! Different words, same concept...

Once for all:

While the chipset is the same as mounted on other devices, it is likely that there is NO ANTENNA built in on our DUAL.

So even if you enabled the WiFi/GPS functionalities, it would HARDLY WORK without a proper antenna (not counting the risk of burning the final signal amplifier).

And that makes perfectly sense from a commercial point of view: mounting the same CPU on different devices saves a lot of time in terms of development and testing!

You want a Q7200 CPU equipped device, with GPS and WiFi enabled? REALLY ??? Well, get yourself a KAISER (~800EUR) instead of a NIKI (~400EUR). Got it ?

IF, and I repeat IF, a built in antenna is found inside the Dual, then it would be likely that someone will be able to enable the hidden features.

Otherwise, there will be nothing to do, unless you create and solder an home made antenna yourself.

So please, stop posting messages like: "The chipset is the same", "the GPS is there", "The WiFi was there on pre-production devices"... That would lead nowhere. Let's hope that someone confirms that the antenna is there (even though I sadly think not) before asking for more...

My 2 EuroCent!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] guap:
... And the fastest way to know for sure if there are some antennas in there is to OPEN it and make some decent pictures with a camera, it's totally useless and a waste of time trying to activate wifi and gps until we know that.

So, do you want gps and wifi? OPEN it and see in there, and don't care about warranty: if you do it slowly, gently and smootly they don't realize it ;) Unfortunately, for now don't have a dual because I'm waiting for 16key version in italy :(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] shinji_73:
Grazie Mr. Pazzanica for your constructive approach.

This is the one this forum needs.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Pawel062:
touch dual has the chipset like is said here. if the guy gets a lock it means the antenna is here. on the hermes without the antenna we could never get a lock. now heres something for the thread starter. I would NOT and i repeat NOT release the htc debug tools. they are htc property and we dont need up up out A** for releasing them to public so if you have these keep them to your selves. the drivers and quick gps are the only things needed to get the gps to work. the debug tools are there to debug. release the drivers and quickgps and everyone get ur tomtom ready.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
I just called HTC actually, and well.. the guy I spoke to (not surprisingly) had never heard of GPS and WiFi being integrated, so i explained how the qualcomm CPU has got it built in, and he was amazed, lol.. so he took my named and said he would try digging..

But he did told me that there werent any rumours going around about a planned ROM update for the Dual activating either WiFi or GPS.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] slvrbllt:
Can't understand whether you're sarcastic or not...

Btw, where that Pazzanica came out from ?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] shinji_73:
Just a question...in your opinion what is this thread about?

If you're not interested in a Q7200 CPU equipped device with GPS and WiFi enabled than why reading/writing on this thread?

Sorry about that.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sevsev:
Nice! Doesn't the Vogue have the same chipset??
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Hennevey:
Looks liek Vogue has a =different chipset 7500. Anyway someone claimed it might have a built-in gps feature. Wait and see for the experts.

Also waiting for hdubli's results ..
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] IceHack:
...news? :confused:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] canadian student:
I'm more interested if anyone can unlock the 850 band?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] IceHack:
News?? :confused:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Yeah any updates hdubli

Really unsure on whether to order one or not...If it does have GPS Ill defo order a new dual.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] henftling:
gps hardware

...in case you guys want to ge pics of the inside hardware...

this guy has posted one photo already here

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1689571&postcount=10

talk to him, I´m sure he would be glad to help out
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Ahh thanks alot

Any ideas guys if this is the antenna needed?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
the connector is only for gsm ext.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] uiqjirka:
dual has two outputs for the external antenna

On the picture you can see the device HTC Touch Dual has two outputs for the external antenna.I have disassembled my own HTC device...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] uiqjirka:
Foto

Foto is here:

http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/80175/dual.rar_751.04KB.html
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
many thx for the photos, great work
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] krestean:
does hsdpa use the same antenna as gsm/ 3g:confused:

just wondering..
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
How many satellites would needed to be locked onto to get a good fix?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] cassio:
as much as possible obviously, but minimum would be 3 satellites
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Well ive heard from hdubli that he got lock to 4 satellites....surely that must means theres an antenna in there?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
error post...

waiting for hdubli update...:D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] cone_rch:
Antenna

To uiqjirka

The one on the top is not an antenna, is a testpoint, the one in the bottom is the RF antenna conector
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
for you the hardware is complete or not?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] uiqjirka:
The one on the top is not test poin..
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] mykie:
if the receiver never been online, he needs 4 sats, 3 for place and 1 for the timeproblem. If it has already a fix then it can be lesser sats.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] cone_rch:
Antenna

In the service manual says... testpoint :cool:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] SplatMan_DK:
Please note ...

Hi developers (the real ones!)

Please note this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1733688#post1733688

rgds

- Jesper
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] henftling:
Maybe you could check if there is an antenna by comparing to o2 branded version of Polaris? does this phtot help it shows the gps antenna should be above the camera lens...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] varior:
Hi !

Could you post this service manual please ?

thx :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
The funniest post ever!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] varior:
Could you explain your answer ?

I don't think i'm stupid :mad:

I've already seen PDF documents called "Service Manual" reserved for HTC support teams...

So please, be cool :o

Thx
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] LarsMK:
Guess there's a differnce between something leaked through anonymous channels and something leaked through a message board - if he or she is employed at HTC.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
hdubli any news?:D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Greenturtle:
Hey this is probably really irrelevant but is this at all useful?

http://www.modaco.com/content/Smart...2137/Motorola-Q9H-ATT-GPS-ACTIVATED-updated-/

Applies GPS to Com ports or something?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
I Pm'd hdubi earlier in the week and said he was going to update the thread this weekend.

Hopefully he will.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] hdubli:
hello guys,

Sorry for the delay..the device is still not with me so I couldn't play with it..and post an update.I will try to get it in a day or two, if I don't get, I will post the procedure and files, so that all can try on their own and come out with solution :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] t0p0gigi0:
This will be great.

I'm waiting for one touch dual. If I can help on this in someway, let me know.

;)

t0p0gigi0
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
if you have see ... you are the lucky one. no support guy will lost his job for a stupid manual. the moste first level or secound level manuals are useless. you need manuals for componenten repair. i think ... only a handfull ppls here ... can read it! if they can read ... the found it or they wait!

if you have some ... please upload it on the xda ftp!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
Hi guys, interesting discussion going on here, ive jsut recieved my touch dual (from Orange UK, on a 1000min/500sms contract) and will be looking forward to contributing to this effort!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] petio92:
hi hdubly

i want to ask you anything the pics that you post are from wich htc?

because in my touch dual, i have found the wi-fi setting (i don t manage to turn on) but on your last picture, we can see that you have "IEEE 802.11b/g compatible wi-fi..." this line seems to be a wi-fi antena but it doesn't appear on my touch dual

sorry for my english i'm from paris
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] hdubli:
Great!!

We have him so now things will b faster :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] hdubli:
I tried to use the registry export and posrted the files from a dump rom of Sedna.I am still trying.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Is there any chance you could post what you have so far and maybe Midget could help.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
if someone could bring me uptodate quickly im sure i could help :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Maybe this may help you....i know its the wifi thread but Chainfires trying to enable both.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=348912&page=14
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
from what i've read there it seems the problem is the radio rom not having them enabled (makes sense) so what we need to do now is find a device with teh same radio/wifi/gps chips and find someone willing to flash a radio from that device as a test ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
So could it be any device sharing the same chipset?

Kaiser / cruise .etc
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
Atm the kaiser and cruise look like likely suspects but to confirm we need pics of teh insides, i'd love to do that but it would void my (expensive) insurance by opening it, anyone want to? ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Theres some internal shots of the dual on here somewhere...do you need kaiser internal shots aswell?

edit: heres the dual internals (Thanks to uiqjirka)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
we need them so you can actually see the chips (and high res) in that pic the cables and silver cover plates are still on, and i think people already know what is in the kaiser ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Pawel062:
i believe you all are safe to flash radios from polaris and kaiser. i remember when oli did the first unlocker for athena he i believe used a hermes radio thats why step 3 was needed to flash back a athena radio to get gps back. follow up with olipro though to be sure.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
yes i realised (guessed) that wanted to confirm with him but he hasnt been answering me on msn so i thought if someone had pics i could confirm quicker like that ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Ahhh ok...sorry i got no idea ...im just trying to help out ,as im desperate to get GPS on this thing :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Pawel062:
as far as i know hes sleeping(cmonex told me)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
heh ok lol
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
any good news, today? :(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ostehovel:
I don't think so :P

Im gonna get my NIKI for Christmas! Just 5(soon 4) days left
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
Yeah.any update guys?...Is it possible to flash the kaiser radio to the dual?

Thanks
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
Possible, yes. do we know if it will break it? no.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
I double dare you . . . . . . .:)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
May be needed for WiFi but it seems the OP didn't have to do it for GPS ?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
that seems to be the case
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Vorbeth:
Now if we could just get the files and method that was promised I'm sure we would get further.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
Yes, I'm not sure what the hold up is ?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] J273:
I might be getting another this weekend...Sent my first one back after wanting the 20key model....might give it a try ;)

So is there no way of flashing back to the standard radio?

@Hdubi

Any chance fella you could post your settings/mehtod .etc to get somthing from the GPS?

Thanks
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
is the first step not to work out a cid unlock?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] hdubli:
As Midget and others are trying, I post here what I did to get the GPS signals.I hope this helps in getting solution faster.

files : rapidshare.de/files/38082539/Desktop.rar.html

Procedure :

-Copy these files into Windows directory.

-Open GPS tool,select "Sirf III" it will give a pop up "is it a qualcomm chip" .Say yes and then u will see SMD7 in com port option.

-Now select open and u can see the gps data.If u move out u can start geting satellites also.

I hope this helps.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] tcs80:
Just curious, does it has A-GPS as well? Waiting for experts to confirm hdubli's finding!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] lesteryh:
thanks hdubli for the files to test, follow your intruction i got the program run in my touch dual, so bring it to test under the sun but unfortunately it can't get satelite fix after trying for 15minutes, by the way pls look at the attached image, this is what i manage to get after 15minute.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] tcs80:
Mind to share the files here? Rapidshared alwiz not possible for me to dl :(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
@hdubli - thanks for sharing.

No antenna in mine for sure, even right next to my reradiating antenna it can't see a single satellite after 3+ minutes, will let it try a bit longer. Neat tool though, I'm going to try it on the Kaiser ;-)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] kwchan:
here u go...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
but hdubli have a test with 4 satellite fix...right?

is a terrible news, if the problem is an hw problem...damn

:(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
I did see two satellites pop-up briefly but they didn't stay, I'm not sure it's "terrible news", there was little hope to have an operational GPS in there and it's easy enough to use a Bluetooth GPS ;-)

WiFi would be nice though !
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] live2themaxuk:
TBH for me, Wifi is the make or break as to whether i buy this device. . .

Jamie
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
I get the same, one sat after ages of waiting, although mine is 21 not 18 :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Dagnelinos:
eheh, ok i'm waiting for the next ouch dual with gps & wifi...that sadness
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rcappadona:
same for me guys, just 1 satellite being waiting for minutes in open air space.

:(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] RsRichard:
@hdubli: in your screenshots theres written "802.11 wifi"

how did you manage to get this?

do you have an howto for wifi to share with us?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Aqrab:
hi guy good news

i get 3 satellite

here what i do

1- i turn on bluetooth

2- i open the slide

3- i hold the phone behind the end botton

it stay there for about a 50 sec but after that it go to 2 satellite 1 satellite and then 0 satellite
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
I think this is a lost cause, let's move on to wifi !
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
is this an antenna problem? i assume it is..