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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] clockcycle:
When you do an ESN check on swappa and some other sites it tells you if there's any Financial information on the phone such as financing still owed but its a risk.

On that note I see one guy selling a verizon blue xl on swappa, he paid $320 for his, so anything is possible.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] clockcycle:
The vzw trade in is $300 in two years by crediting your bill each month
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
So after further inspection of the phone I don't think this phone is brand new. There where micro scratches on the back glass panel. I guess he just managed to seal everything. the black coating on the back bottom rear seems to be fading a bit as well. ????
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Isubbie:
So what it's a little used, it's still an amazing find.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
Yeah. Your definitely right.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] clockcycle:
This one rated as "good" sold for $690 on swappa, slightly used mint sell for $900..

These phones scratch easy, just by looking at it, proof is brand new in sealed box... :D
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
Mi is not even that bad though lol mine is like a faint on the corner as if they were sliding the phone on a table or something. I'll post some pics when I get home later today.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] schwem:
Don't worry man. I bought my Pixel XL 128gb from Verizon for $479. If I were to sell it I would also sell for $580. No need to make more than $100. There's also a bootloader unlock for the Verizon version that is fully functional for all firmwares out right now so it's no different from the G store except you have to leave the bootloader unlocked if you want it to stay that way. People are skeptical and I get that but these deals do exist and I'm probably going to sell mine for $580 or $550 when the Iphone 8 or the Note 8 comes out. Good find man. Mine has a few scratches but just looking at this phone causes that. I wouldn't worry about it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] razor237:
I guess the only risk with situations like discounted 2-year plan price or the 24 month device payments is if the person who has that account decided to stop paying and his account gets closed and he doesn't pay the finals fees all the phones will get blacklisted even the ones not currently active but still owe money on
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] clockcycle:
Again, many esn checks tell you if the phone is still being financed, beyond that its up to you if you take that risk after knowing.

It has happened to me twice. Lucky they were unlocked tmobile phones and I was able to activate and use them on Att mnvos before they were blacklisted. I still havr them too (nexus 6, sony z3 & zte).
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] razor237:
I Dont think the ESN check will show if they were financed, At least my phone doesnt show up, I just checked my iphone 7 plus thats not active but on device payment and just shows as clean ESN ready to activate. But either way that would suck to have happen
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
Well I contacted Google and they said that even if someone stops making the payment the device itself won't get black listed as Google has nothing to do with the finance. Since finance dealt is through a third party bank. The lady said they only thing she can see you g it would hurt their credit.

Although I don't see why anyone would risk their credit score for 580$..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] smithinsundar:
Oh Man ...what did you have for dinner ? Just to wake up being the luckiest guy in town :(
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] joderme:
Sadly people will hurt their credit scores for $20...

Enjoy your Pixel and worst case if it for some reason gets blacklisted you can sell it internationally where it should work just fine.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
I guess but let's not hope for that lol
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Isubbie:
You really think Samsung comes out with a note 8? My friend and I have been going back and forth on this, I personally think that they don't recover from this.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] schwem:
I don't care either way. I do know that I don't really feel the Pixel is as extravagant as they make it out to be and would be happy with anything else. Luckily I only paid $479 for it so even if I sell at $500 it wont be a loss.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobil...d-saved-2017-specs-price-rumours-release-date
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] humdrum2009:
Nice deal mean

At that Price that's about right.

$285.00 to manufacture

But all that advertising and being tied to Verizon pushed up the price considerably.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] daniel4653:
Nice find man! Its possible to find amazing deals on craigslist. I used to buy all my phones on there but i started to use swappa to add a buffer and prevent the purchase of any stolen phones or issues. Anyways i once came up on an HTC Evo LTE when it first came out through this lady that didnt like it. She wanted a simpler phone and had to pay some bills. So i ended up trading her my old blackberry curve and $150 on top. Sold the phone for $400, bought myself and Galaxy S3 for $300, and pocked $100.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
I'm not sure about other places, but here (Canada) you could get a Pixel on contact for $350-550 depending on the version. So if you were due for re-upping your contract you could get the Pixel for say $550 and resell for $950 and make a few bucks. Outright, after tax, it'd cost $1200. So you could save a few hundred while the guy selling is making a few.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamterence:
Damn, you people really want this guy to have a bad day, don't you?

Congrats on your phone, man.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
Thank you. Lol the phone is still good no issues or anything.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Rydah:
I think I hit the jackpot! Got a Pixel XL for $25. Yes, you read it right, $25.

Here's how:

My mom has a Verizon business account. There are tons of lines and she ordered my dad a Pixel XL. I asked if someone else could get an upgrade and give it to me. There's plenty of people on the account who don't care about phones like I do so she said yes. Verizon hooked her up with a 32gb Pixel XL for $349 (which I paid her for.)

I'm on T-Mobile and they just approved me for $325 reimbursement. What a win! T-Mobile of course tried to get me to switch my simple choice unlimited plan to a T-Mobile One plan. I told the rep that isn't gonna work because the fine print says it's also for Simple Choice Unlimited costumers too. So 5 minutes later I was approved.

#winning

Sent from my Pixel XL
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
You seem to have no idea how contract pricing for phones work.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
Explain it to me. Specifically for Winnipeg. More specifically for MTS.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kolyan:
Well in that case here's my story...

Galaxy Nexus I got for free, HTC One I got for free, back in the days I got iPhone for free as well, Moto X yes free as well. Pixel bought at full price and now applied for $325 back from T-Mobile.

Take that YO :) You might ask how? Google and HTC sent me 2 phones by mistake, iPhone ATT sent me 2 or 3 at contract pricing (system glitch), Moto X credit card issued full refund after 2 years ))
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] clockcycle:
Oh dang great find, I need to look that up so I can have it ready to show the cs rep!

EDIT: found this in the FAQ;

Do current T-Mobile customers qualify for this promotion?

Yes. Existing customers who are already on an eligible unlimited postpaid plan also qualify for the Google Pixel promotion.

Who is eligible for this offer?

All existing customers who are on an eligible unlimited postpaid plan or migrate to T-Mobile ONE and new customers who sign up for T-Mobile ONE.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
So you stole them. Cool...I guess.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] quangtungnguyen:
Lol I also would like to know, seeing how I've used this method to sell lots of phones on Kijiji (Craigslist)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
Right?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] polish_pat:
A lot of people keep saying "blacklisted" or reported stolen but little do they know out of the actual number of stolen devices, probably 80-90% will remain functional forever. Not sure if the rules are the same everywhere but in Canada to blacklist a device, so basically permanently disabling any connection to a mobile network, it takes too much effort for people to bother. Today they just rather log into their account and wipe the phone remotely then get the police on the case with a documented report and submit everything to be blacklisted. Unless people have some sort of insurance on the phone, that requires a police report to claim, they just get another one. Especially women, (no offence but a lot of my friend are exactly that) they have an insuarnce, full coverage, they pay extra, and they dont even know they could get a replacement and end up buying it themselves.

I believe clones, especially for Samsung phones which are getting very very hard to spot unless you know exactly where to look, are a much bigger problem then theft
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kolyan:
Why stole, they sent them to me. What am I supposed to do pay for shipping and return them ? I am not stupid
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
Well, I don't understand why you would want to buy a phone on contract and then just sell it. You said the phone is outright for about $1200, which would be financed by the carrier on contract. But you only sold it for $950. How are you going to pay the contract off? You paid $550, and you're still owing about $650 on the contract...

I think that's actually selling the phones at your loss of about $400. (1200-950) I also don't understand how you guys just use contract plans like that? Do you have your own phones or something?

People need to understand that for buying phones on contract, unless you paid the device balance in full, it's almost never cheaper than buying it outright...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
If I get it on contact for $550, I'm only out that $550. My contract doesn't change, with or without the Pixel. There's no extra fee on my contract, or Tab to pay off. I pay the $550 and I own the phone, free and clear.

Example:

I have a phone (I own it) and my contract is up. I go to my carrier and re-up my 2 year contract and decide to buy a Pixel XL for $550. Nothing extra is added to my contract and I pay a one time fee of $550. If I flip the phone on Kijiji for $950 I'm up $400 and continue to use my previous phone (a note 5).
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
Uhh no, that's not how contracts work, you're basically financing the phone over 2 years. This is why American carriers and some Canadian carriers introduced a "tab" system recently, like $20/month, to make it clearer you're financing the phone and not getting it for "free" on contract.

$550 is just the upfront balance. You still owe the outright price (you said $1200) in total, and you already paid off $550 so you still owe $650. I am not sure how you're saying this, do you have a special plan or something? Maybe check your account to see if you're owing any device balance.

Since you financed the phone at $1200, but only got paid $950, you would actually lose $250. I mean, you'd be paying that off over 2 years, but by that point I would question why you would use an expensive contract plan then.

I've found a helpful article from Telus: http://www.telus.com/en/ab/support/article/understanding-device-balance
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
I'm not on a tab, or using Telus.

The bill is identical with or without a phone.

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You're not stupid. You are a thief. They wouldn't make you pay the return shipping.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lyall29:
abax44 is right. Any company would be glad to send you a prepaid shipping label so that you wouldn't have to pay return shipping.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
What carrier are you using then, and how expensive is your plan? It's like that for Canadian carriers in general, not just Telus.

Anyways, my point is you're not making any profit off of flipping phones on contract
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
MTS. My bill is $46/mth on the unlimited plan.

Your point is wrong. My bill has no device balance.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
Lol whatever you say man... Good thing your plan is very cheap so it makes pretty much no difference.

If you try to cancel the service, or contact customer service then you'd see. Like I said over and over, 2 year contracts are financing, you're not getting the phone at a discount.

https://www3.mts.ca/mts/support/bil...ation+fee+calculation+monthly+reduction+value
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
Except no one was talking about cancelling their contract.

$46*24mth + $1200 phone = $2304

$46*24 + $550 phone = $1654

I'm already well ahead. Flip the $550 phone for $950 and continue to use my current phone. How did lose again?

I'm not free to move from provider to provider, but that was never my intention anyway as I'm not going to get a better price in Manitoba.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] quangtungnguyen:
Lol it's actually a very common thing here in Winnipeg. People signing there contracts getting a phone and selling it. If you don't break the contract you will not pay extra for that phone. You do technically get a tab with rogers which will pay itself off just by you paying your monthly bill.

What I've done numerous times is upgrade my contracts and sell the new phone and keep the old one. Better yet when it's a zero cost up front like nexus 6p right now.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
Okay then do you guys just keep using the old phone for 2 more years or what?

Sigh you really aren't getting it. It's not a "$550 phone", you paid 550 out of the 1200 so far. According to that MTS page I linked, $ Retail Value of Hardware ($1200) - Amount Paid by Customer ($550) = Hardware Subsidy and also the Total Early Cancellation Fee (TECF)

You still have $650 owing, which would be paid off over the time of your contract, or by paying off immediately.

What about if you want to get a new phone within 2 years? You're going to pay it off in one way or another, you wouldn't make any profit off of selling it for $950. Let's get this straight.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
Or use the profits and buy something else. Tons of very good ~$500 phones now.

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All this said, with Bell likely buying MTS in the new year, things could very well change here in Manitoba. Plan costs are almost guaranteed to rise and unlimited data will die.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
It's not a profit!!

What you're saying sounds like this:

you bought a $20000 car on lease with some down payment (say $5000, idk). Then yoi sold it for about $10000 and are bragging that you made profit, because you sold it for more than your down payment. Lol no, you still have $10000 owing. Phone contracts are financing. Simple as that.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
I did the actual math for you already. No need for a hypothetical.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
Except that math was wrong.

So I guess you only upgrade phones every 2 years?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
How so? You do up the actual math then. $46/mth for 24 months.

Usually. Note 1, 3, 5.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
Like I told you many times, you're still effectively paying the full retail price ($1200?) for the phone. Whether it be through a 24 months contract, or an early cancellation fee. So the total cost is still $46 per whatever months, plus $1200 in both cases.

In that case: $1200 - $950 = $250. You lost $250. That makes sense because you would've sold the phone for less than retail price. Is it that hard? You financed the phone at full retail price, and you sold it at less than retail. How can that possibly a "profit"?

You keep saying that the contract doesn't make a difference in your bill, and that's true, but a contract is still a contract, an interest-free loan.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
That'd all make sense if my bill was lower without adding a phone, but it isn't.

I would pay $1104 over 24 months regardless, whether I bring my own device or add a Pixel. That number is static and doesn't change. If I then purchase a phone for $550 and resell for $950 I'm up $400. Nothing would be added to my bill at any time. There would be no +$1200 addition to my bill (or $400 difference after the $550 upfront cost).

Go mess with the plans on the website.

I think we've derailed the thread long enough. No real need to reply anymore, you aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kolyan:
Let's see....I should call the company, ask them to send me shipping label, package everything, drive to postal office in order to ship the item back to the a billion dollar corporation and do all that for free? ......while all those corporations make billions on cheap Chinese slave labor? Well if I am a thief then you are are clearly supporting low wage kids labor in China every time you buy a new phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iamhacked:
I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just baffled how you think that. Yes your bill isn't lower without adding a phone, but it's still interest-free debt.

It's not a $550 phone, $550 is just the upfront down payment. If you decide to purchase another phone before the 24 months ends, you would have to pay hundreds of dollars to finish the payments. Like, 12 months in, you still owe $325 (12*650/24). 18 months in, you still owe $162.50.

I guess I have no need to reply anymore either, if you are so happy with somehow making a "$400 profit" by selling a $1200 retail priced phone for only $950. I guess purchasing a $1200 phone, only to sell it for $950, and downgrade to a $500 phone is such a big deal to you.

FYI: I did check the current MTS plans, there's a $10 extra monthly charge for the "smartphone" plans, compared to the BYOP or basic plans. So that's a $10/month tab pretty much
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
No need to reply, buy here you are. [emoji1]

I didn't buy and sell the phone, I bought one for $950. Your whole argument is based on "if'. If I decide to buy out my contact, or if I decide to get a new device. Fact is, if I renewed and bought the phone it doesn't effect my contact what so ever. I'll pay the exact same amount regardless unless.

I'm not paying that $10 fee, it's newer. I pay $20 for my MTS starter plan and goes from there. I could show you my bill if this all means that much to you. Or we could just stop talking.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DualSportDad:
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/pixel-offer.htm
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
Says the guy buying said Chinese phones. Justify your thievery however you'd like. Did you donate your ill gotten gains to the low wage kids in China?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] polish_pat:
It' s almost always cheaper to buy outright? Actually it's always more expensive, or at least in the first months following release, and in Canada.

Perfect example. Google and Rogers (or any other) sell the XL 128GB 1179$. With Google, you pay upfront, and do what you want. With Rogers, You pay (assuming fresh start) 679$ within 30 days. then, as far as the remaining 500$ goes, you don't pay it. Of course you have to stay a customer for 2 years, and have a 60$+ plan, but even if you buy unlocked, you're gonna have your number and a plan for the same 2 years. And those that settle on a cheap plan, lets say 40$, do you end up saving? math it.

Carrier: 679$ + 60$x24 =2119$

Unlocked: 1179$ + 40$x24 = 2139$

The difference is, if you have a carrier, the cost is spread out, financing at 0%, you probably have a similar or better plan, you have perks aka free subscriptions aka gifts aka pre-order promotions, and, you can call once in a while, just to ask for a discount, loyalty rebate, or take a small problem and ask compensation, as long as you don't abuse, the employees or on greed, they will likely say yes. (does not apply to Bell as they tell you to F off)

Does it make any sense? Forgot to mention, once your onboard with a carrier, you can upgrade to the neweest every 6 months if you want, and technically still pay less than an unlocked user, simply because the resale value will be much higher the earlier you sell
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kolyan:
No but I am not the guy who is screaming theif here, it's you who pretends to live an innocent life and I just gave you an example why you are not even close
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
I'm not screaming anything, just pointing out you steal a lot.

You have no idea how I live my life. ;)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
wow what happened to this thread... lol things got out of control.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] g00s3y:
Just got a blue 32gb really blue pixel XL for $600 off of craigslist. Activated it and all is good. Some chick broke up with her man, and didn't care for the phone anymore, just wanted the extra cash.

I got 2 XL's without pre-ordering before most people got 1 that they pre-ordered, lol.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
My wife went to go pick up a black 32gb XL for $500 about 45 minutes from my house. The add simply stated Pixel, so we asked if it was the XL...the person said yes, so we went. Of course, got there and it was just the regular Pixel. I didn't get it, but $500 isn't a bad deal what so ever.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DarkZal:
It's a shame that Note 7 had to be returned for fear of exploding batteries eh? It really was a beautiful device even with Touchwiz on it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
I was actually glad I was able to return mine after the 14 days for a full refund. I can't stand touchwiz anymore. Samsung is full of gimmick that I never used...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] moopile:
Legally he didn't steal them. The companies gifted them to him. https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0181-unordered-merchandise

Just a moral dilemma.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] abax44:
Legally. Fair enough. :svetius:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] DrUnkeN_TiGeR:
90 days? Verizon told me I only had 14 days?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] fiffan86:
I believe they are talking about that some credit cards allows you an extended return period. Verizon is only 14 days.
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