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[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
something interesting

It appears as though the titan is the same phone, only with wifi and a slide out keyboard. and different ram size. They share the same hardware everywhere else, qualcomm msm 7500, same touch screen. Over in the titan forum a couple guys flashed vogue radio roms to their devices, not knowing they were for the vogue, and they did not have any problems. My thought is this, what if a guy were to flash the titan rom and radio rom to a vogue? would we then not be able to tell conclusively wether or not this beast has the wifi hardware? if all software/firmware is titan, the will be no more blocking of wifi. Assuming it is really there. I would like to try this, but I have no idea how to dump my rom, and there are no telus roms anywhere that I could find, so if this does not work, I would have no way to get back to a telus rom. there is however lots of sprint roms out there? anyone with a sprint touch not afraid of flashing a titan rom, and possibly bricking their device?? Oh god I hope this works
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
Man you're crazy. Lol. Good luck. From my experience, flashing ROM's from another device will almost always lead to a permanent brick.

I will say one thing though... You have much bigger cohognes then me... Unless I'm 100% positive that I know what I'm doing, I don't mess with that kinda stuff.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mbote:
That sounds kewl for a PoC. I wish I had a device to sacrifice in the name of science but I don't and dharvey is right ...one might cause a permanent brick to their device if they attempt to flash a foreign ROM.......

well, in the name of science, we can all do crazy stuff...but just need a guinea pig
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] No1ustad:
I was mistaken, that info was for the titan upgrade. The sprint business site stats the Touch to by upgraded to gps by Q1 2008,

https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP

No mention of the Rev A in the specs though.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
Rev A is a strong possibility for the up coming Touch upgrade. It's hardware is more or less the same as the Titan (same chip set), and it is supposed to be getting an rom upgrade very soon too that is going to enable REV A, GPS, and maybe... just maybe do some cool things like give us a DirectX video driver, enable MMS, and (mostly dreaming here) update us to windows 6.1. Since the Vogue and the Titan are nearly the same phone (aside from keyboard, wifi, and memory differences) one could assume that the updates will have similar functions.

But you are right, I haven't seen it promised anywhere.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mbote:
This is encouraging .....

the site says ...[ https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP ]

"GPS Enabled: View your approximate location and use available applications to navigate roadways throughout the country. (will not be available until Q1 2008 upgrade)"

As far as REV A goes, Telus says the following

http://www.telusmobility.com/on/pcs/handset_htc_p3050.shtml

"Phone features

1X-EVDO (Rev A capable**) dual band, all-digital phone"

** With future software update

Still no mention, officially, of any WIFI tho......

Is this info (GPS Enabled) telling us something good is yet to come out....if they officially admit GPS is available (maybe WIFI as well) --- then the question will remain "What does - in clear English - Q1 happens for these folks?" I can't seem to have much patience... or the days are just not moving?

On another thought, GPS and REV A with Unlimited Data for $7 (Bell Mobility)... I think I can live without WIFI ... well, for now
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Thanks for the update, we all know that REV A is planned and this kinda cements the GPS "maybe".
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] TICALyen:
No Wifi? No Prob! Here's the solution

No wifi? No Prob!

http://www.cecompass.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Thanks for the info, but 802.11 "b" only it appears at this time ... not "g". The REV A upgrade will suit my needs for now.

Still holding out hope that someone will once and for all determine if the Wi-Fi hardware and antenna are actually "onboard ... just disabled"
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
good luck getting that to fit in a Micro-SD slot
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Maldrien:
Maybe more something like that.

http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] No1ustad:
The titan users will be getting their update today from kmartburrito- i'm wondering if there's anyway to take a look at the update and see what it changes/adds in terms of gps/revA? maybe drag that over to use with the vogues? Is this even a possibility or am i stuck in dreamland....
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] ambush276:
yeah mogul or titan got the update today,... slo yeah hopefully coems soon!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Musicman247:
You'll also notice that in the Sprint User's manual on Page 173 this listing appears:

"GPS Internal GPS antenna"

So we know that there is indeed an internal GPS antenna, right?

Here's the manual in pdf format http://www.sprint.com/cdma/assets/pdfs/phone_guides/htc/mp6900sp_ug.pdf
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] 360discgolf:
Okay, I feel at some level I have to rely what I have been tod. this is from a sprint tech rep who may or may not know what the hell he is talking about.

Q(me): there are rumors going back and forth that the the touch chip set has wifi, do you kow one way or the other?

A(tech rep): I know for a fact that it has the capability, weather it was disabled on pupose or by accident I don't know, but I hvae heard that a different carrier(he mentioned verzion) is going to have wifi on the touch with the same chip set.

Take this for what it is... I also asked if he had to have a degree to do what he does and he said no(not that I give a s@$t one way or the other), then he made comments about some of the people that work there. He also gave me my msl when I asked for it directly, he referred me to the picture mail hack, and I guess what I am saying is all around he seemed cool to me. Does that mean he know what the hell he is talking about, I have no clue.

What I do know is he felt pretty confident when I asked him about wifi. I aslo asked about rev-a and gps for the touch and he said he was also told Q1 2008.

This is more than like ly just talk, but I felt complied to pass it along for what ever it may be worth.

Wass
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] jagzjagz:
Hi guys,

So after this long, still no answer on whether the GPS/WIFI functionality is there or not?

Surprised there haven't been more developers/coders trying to dig more into it. Anyone need me to help? :)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] TICALyen:
Futurshop avertising WiFi

Futureshop is advertising that the Vouge has a wi/fi port

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pr...d=EN&CMP=ILC-FS_Flyer_Tracking&test_cookie=1#
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] lummock:
Do us a favor and read the specs a little more carefully!

You just posed a link for the french GSM Touch. We know the GSM version of this phone has wifi. The question here is does the BELL/TELUS/SPRINT CDMA version have this capacity... From the FDA pictures i'm inclined to say no... I'm now trying to work out if the microSD card will work because frankly I really do want wifi.

R
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
GREAT G2 - thanks for sharing - the new Verizon Touch XV6900 has been getting a lot of press recently, just do a Google search - GPS TURNED ON but no mention of Wi-Fi I see ??

http://wmexperts.com/articles/more_on_the_verizon_xv6900_tou.html
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Another article with loads more detail - Hit detailed view - NOTE: "Preliminary specs"

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1041&view=1

Even though I was forced to sign up for a new 2 year agreement with Sprint in Nov, I would LOVE to see Verizon stick it to Sprint by having Wi-Fi included !! Unfortunately, Verizon is known for crippling there phones - maybe they are getting smarter ??

Sprint lost almost 700,000 subscribers in the last Qtr alone and FIRED several top execs - there is no way to compete with the iPhone with just Rev A - good riddens to those arrogant bastards !!.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/24/sprint-layoffs-start-at-the-top/

It's just like I am a Tivo fan with DirecTV and under Murdoch they dropped any new Tivo dev for some crappy home brew DVR - NOW the new owners are "rumored" to be bringing it back - it's all about the power of the consumer ... let's not forget that.

And as a backup the 2 year wait for Comcast to roll out Tivo support is finally happening, so it's again all about competition.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] clearcase:
I just want GPS. i don't see why people have there panties in a knot about wifi. you have EVDO, Cheap EVDO (on bell). there is a hell of a lot more EVDO coverage than wifi
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] TICALyen:
Well I want WiFi because Im stuck in a contract that says I need to have a minimum $50 data plan. the edvo is only 15$ :( So now I get 2mb/month anything over that is $15/mb
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
I want wifi so I can connect to my work server and access the databases there making me more productive. I bought the phone because the rep at the store told me it had wifi, I did not buy the phone knowing it did not have wifi and now I want to try to get it, I was actually told it had it, and now I must have it
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] willpower102:
someone on ppcgeeks mentioned fcc pics being up but with no link. Are they out yet?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] clearcase:
ok, i totally get that. have you tried the candy shop/retention/cancellation to move that data plan to unlimited evdo. if you push hard enough they will bend. they always bend for me. helps i used to work in a call center for nextel, before they became sprint, so i know how to walk the ropes. anyways, how about that update!?!?! i want gps and wifi for others! to be honest i don't think we will see wifi on this device due to the different chipset and the reported 3 antennas (bluetooth, cell, gps). i guess wifi would be nice so i don't have to go through orb to watch recorded tv from my pvr while in bed.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
It's now Feb and do we have any photos of the inside hardware yet ??
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] deep309:
I am new to this forum. I have been doing a lot of reading. I'm glad I can finally contribute a little. The pics are in the link below.

Happy Super Bowl Day everybody!

D.

INSIDE PICTURES FROM THE FCC
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
Yes, there have been high res images for a while now. They were on ppcgeeks forums. There was no WiFi antenna, and no identifiable wifi chip.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=16724

You see the smaller Qualcomm chip next to the Samsung chip? The one that has the micro-SD port connected to it? There would be a wifi radio directly connected to that chip if the Vogue had wifi.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
THANKS guys ... FINALLY some real "facts".

All along, the theory has been that HTC "would NOT" change their "Touch" production line JUST for Sprint and change the hardware - which HAS W-Fi - and that Sprint (and now Verizon) must have "disabled" it ... BUT IT EXISTS !!

I just looked at the PPC Geeks hi-res photos - It seems like case closed !!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dew.man:
You're right about the case closed part, but as for changing production, you need to understand that the CDMA Vogue is a whole different animal than the GSM Elf (yet both are Touch).
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mixxy:
guys, whats the NEED for high res photos? HTC CLEARLY announced on the fcc website that the vogue has no adhoc capabalities....case closed

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818535&native_or_pdf=pdf
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
Because people like this guy:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=176588&postcount=16

keep posting stuff like that.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] klmsu19:
basically because newbies are too ignorant to actually read before posting. The poster even had the right link all they had to do was scroll down and VERY CLEARLY was marked gsm under the network. I mean its not brain surgery basic common sense. But i guess a lot of people dont use that anymore. theyd rather post the same crap over and over and over again when its been answered 10 times over and right in front of their face

thats what people expect on the internet today. the internet force-feeds us info, no brain power needed. People dont use their brains anymore half the time apparently
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] ryanbg:
As if they ever did? :p
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] jockyw2001:
A similar issue exists on the WINGS (also a MSM7200 device).

Take a look at this thread maybe it helps you guys.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] vboyz103:
Tried the mtty but no luck, it said Command Error at the Cmd> after i typed in rtask c

so not working for Touch :(
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] No1ustad:
Hey guys, i'm new here. when's the vogue getting wifi?

Joking--!! :-P
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] jockyw2001:
That's because your SPL does not support "rtask".

Is there a HardSPL for Vogue? Didn't see a sticky so prolly not.

I could take a look but need a SPL.

You can dump it as follows:

pmemdump 0x8c000000 0x40000 SPL-Vogue.bin

(pmemdump is part of itsutils made by itsme and runs on a PC while you are connected by activesync via a USB cable)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] vboyz103:
Here's my SPL from Touch.

Note: I'm running SPL-0.40-CokeMan by cokeman, it's a patched SPL from the unlocker for Vogue/Touch.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] malatesta:
Actually, they don't have to be near each other at all--at least they are not on the Mogul.

The Wifi chip for the HTC 6800, which *if* the Vogue were to have Wifi, *may* be the same as the Mogul:

The Wifi chip module on the HTC 6800 is this:

That is TI WL1251:

Here are the Mogul pics plus the corresponding plexed BT/Wifi antenna--note it is not very big.

So the question is: does your device (Touch) have this on board? From the pics earlier on in that PPCGeeks thread, it appears to be *no* but I cannot be definite (everyone also overlooked the big honking GPS antenna in the Mogul too! lol)

Any help?

--mal

ps Thanks to Murph24 for the Mogul shots

*Also*: An alternate Wifi chip may be one with these numbers from Athoros:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] storino03:
Why post "what ifs", if it is certain that the HTC Touch (CDMA) has no wifi harware built-in?

--James
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
because it's not certain, as far as I've read and researched, I highly doubt it's there, but there has been no solid proof either way
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] malatesta:
Considering all the "debate" about the hardware on the Touch has been amateur, at best, my post at least tells people what to look for...

People opened up the Mogul when it first came out and said "aha! No GPS antenna, so no GPS! It is not possible!" and that was done by some pretty smart individuals. Turns out they had no idea what to look for and everyone missed the giant GPS antenna that even the FCC docs had labeled (!)--that's just poor research.

When I see people "looking for the wifi chip" and yet have not even bothered to identify what the chip *IS* for god's sake (name, number, location) or what a BT/Wifi plexed antenna even looks like (and where it usually is on the board) I have to question the legitimacy of the whole excursion. I mean were people expecting to find a big black chip that says "WIFI" on it--and not finding that, "proves" there is no Wifi?

And what about the antenna--everyone around here was looking for a separate Wifi antenna and there was some garbage about the "GPS/WIFI" antenna was removed. Yet almost all HTC devices with Wifi have a shared BT/WiFi antenna. This info is out there on the nets, yet no one bothers to look.

Nothing has been proven for the Touch and I was merely giving someone the exact things to look for...

Some of the Roger's Motorola Q q9h's have wifi on the board and are able to be unlocked--it is *not* beyond the realm of possibility that the same could be true (though I am doubtful) of the CDMA Touch.

Now if people are serious about ending the debate about Wifi on the Touch, someone will look for the TI chip which nearly all HTC Wifi devices use. Otherwise, we can continue here shooting lame barbs back and forth and not actually accomplish anything, which is what most of these threads result in...

-mal
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] wsparvis:
IMHO, 'common sense' isn't very common!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
FINALLY ... an EXPERT OPINION vs the ones that call "newbies" idiots !! It's GREAT that you have "evidence", but no need to call someone an "idiot" !! It's all about the HUNT and sorting thru G2 speculation - if you can't handle it, don't bother "participating" in the thread ... just GO AWAY and rant on some other forum !!

At the end of the day, it's just FUN until Sprint gets their act together and releases GPS and REV A - let's see they lost over 600,000 subscribers LAST QUARTER ALONE, so "why rush" ?

Try reading the title, it does say "GPS" and REV A is terrific alternative to Wi-Fi - especially at $15 per month UNLIMITED ... or like us ZERO, if you went thru retention !! Verizon is $44 per MONTH, the last I checked - and AT&T is $20 for the iPhone and $29 or $39, I recall, for an other WM6 device !!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] malatesta:
Did I call anyone an "idiot"?

No.

Nor did I use "newbies" either, so I'm not sure why the " .." are needed. Please don't attribute false attacks or name-calling to my posts. Amateur ≠ idiot or newbie.

All I have done was take 45 mins of my time to lend assistance by doing research and this is the response I get:

- Why did you bother posting this?

- Someone telling me to "...just GO AWAY"

Very nice. I was hoping for more of "Gee, thanks..that might be useful..." I don't even own a Touch but was hoping to help you folks figure this out by giving you the clues to look for...

All someone needed to (after my post) was open the device and verify if the TI chip is there, instead of endless debate and bickering. I see you're interested in the latter. Go ahead and continue with your "hunt". Yikes. Enjoy.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] h311boy:
Very good point made by malateta. However, i believe that anywhereanytime did not address you in his post. As far as i can see, he was addressing the people who post things like "who needs wifi" and etc.

To the topic: I am not friends with taking apart things (well, actually its the putting back together that i screw up on) but since mogul and touch (cdma) both use msm7500 one can come to a somewhat conclusive result my comparing their chipsets side by side.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] storino03:
Thanks for the response. I was just wondering why the whole wifi argument was so strong to some people. Makes sense. Someone should file a claim with asurion and use their blacklisted Touch to open it up.

--James
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
You are absolutely right ... Malateta, this was NOT addressed to you because you have offered a ton of detail and logical discussion - keep it coming.

Just look at Post #122 for example - I should have quoted that but I was complimenting yor post as what we need.

Your post was right on.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] malatesta:
Then my *sincere* apologies to both you and storino03 for the confusion & strong wording ;-)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] gabo1:
just my .02
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] willpower102:
We definitely appreciate the effort and I've stared at these on your ppcgeeks thread quite often, (which is linked to above) but these pics just aren't as valuable without proper focus.

If you decide to take it apart again, maybe try a camera on a tripod or some books, in direct sunlight or VERY well lit incandescent / halogen. Remember fov and stay back about 3 feet too.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Musicman247:
Actually, if you have a Canon camera you can press twice on the Flower to get micro zoom. I've used it to get serial numbers off of small pieces up close before.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] gabo1:
yea, ill use my digital cam n post, those were taken with a megapixel camera phone
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] aidencade:
Hmmm...

So,

I am new here,

but from all the reading so far we still have not conclusively proved that there is actually wifi on bell's Touch. Interesting. I am actually more interested in getting the GPS working without having to get a Rom and Have issues with Bell's network.. Wish there was a way just to activate it or install the proper drivers and get it working.. But I also don't wanna kill my warrenty as I just got it.. Grrrr.. Stupid having to pay for the GPS service.. I have unlimited evdo on my Fun 25 Bundle so I am not worried about downloads etc.. ANd usually when installing stuff I just Copy it over via winblows PC sys.. I also have a Nixbox running 24/7 so I can use ssh and irc..

Anyways.. If I understood where things were on the boards, as I am sure others would... it would be much easier to see what's what.. Can we get some Labeled Pics?? Thanks.. And good Work to all those working on this dilly of a pickle..

Aiden
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] purelithium:
There is no way to get GPS without loading in another rom and upgrading the radios.

You cannot do this with the stock bell roms.

There is no WiFi.

My GPS enabled touch has NO problems with bell's network. Haven't had a lockup in about a week, which is standard even with the stock rom.

Although, in about 3 weeks, i'm ditching this thing for the iPhone. I'm sick on Windows Mobile and the constant tweaking required to get it to do anything.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] bedoig:
I'd agree that WM can definetly be a little buggy, but I think you'll find that many of the abilities you had to "hack" into your Touch simply won't be available at all on other platforms. Either way, best of luck with the iPhone! They are nice devices, and with the 2.0 firmware and the developer package they should be getting a lot better. Personally, I'm holding out for that Touch Pro. I'll also have to give WM7 a shot when it comes out. But I will be joining you (or checking out Android) if WM7 isn't a significantly better platform.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] ScrapMaker:
x2 on the Touch Pro (hopefully Sprint will pick it up soon!)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] allrockabilly:
hopefully .. :rolleyes:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] HTCP4000PPC:
Qualcomm MSN7200 400 Mhz Vs MSM7500 400 Mhz HTC P4000 Titan 100

Crazy how the P4000 CDMA telus phone aka bell Canada 6800 got the MSM7500 Qualcomm processor, anyone Know much about the MSM7500 ?

How About GPS in this unit i've read in many places it has Stand Alone GPS aswell, anyone know a link that will make GPS enable in Stand Alone mode on Telus's 6.1 A-GPS rom ?