yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] DaVince:
FYI, none of the call center agents are technical... esp at customer service.

And only 20% of the tech support people are actually technical. They just read solutions of most common tech problems with a script. If the problem is not on the script, we just get a little creative. :D

Just a tip. If you call tech support of any company, immediately ask for the L2 technician if the one you're currently talking to is "unreliable". Don't ask for the supervisor, just the L2 Tech.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rumble291:
Theres most probably WiFi in the Dual just disabled in Windows like everyone has said or in the Radio rom. Both version of the dual will be made in the same factory and the japanesse one also has a different Windows version. Having a GPS chipset means its capable of having GPS but wont have certain features like an antenna well sounds like that.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] headman:
Wifi and Gps

Hello everyone, and if we try adding missing keys registry for wifi and gps by Kaiser that he virtually the same as hardware?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Midget_1990:
you think no-one tried that? :rolleyes:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] brutalpingpt:
still have no news for us?? if i can help..i have a portuguese touch dual, just say what you need me to do ;)

good luck with the searching
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] garsim:
read this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361923
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jvieira:
can you please post your rom?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] KristianE:
A little funny detail; in the "sound and messages" app, in settings.. I have the option to set the sound of "wireless network found" :)

Could that be they have forgot to remove this little wifi detail in the niki rom? :) Or is it just a standard option in win mobile? :/

another hope of wifi on niki in the horizon..?

Sorry my danish english :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] foosoomin:
So in overall, it seems that Touch Dual has no Wifi & GPS

Furthermore, the recent news of no graphics accelerator driver makes this device worst
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
ufffff so what we can do?:confused::confused:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] slvrbllt:
What happened ?

Looks like my last message (quoted by Billokko) has been removed.

I would really appreciate it if some admin/moderator would explain the reason why it has been delete. I'd like to know whether I have infringed any rules or not, just to avoid any future mistakes...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
don't worry.... the message I quoted is in another post

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361923&page=4
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] MaTeoS:
There are some Wifi chipset that includes a little internal antenna. Someone who have a htc touch or htc touch v2??? if u open it can u see the antenna???

Sry for my bad english.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68419&d=1201898658

this is the tuouch dual inside... I don't know about an antenna looks like... (sorry for my english but I'm Italian)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] MaTeoS:
Thanks but we need see a touch or touch xl not a touch dual.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] SMYKUL:
I have just seen this reported on over at Modaco:

http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/

Looks like they found a way to activate GPS on an MSM7500 by replacing the radio firmware as suggested elsewhere. A Niki version of this firmware update should be able to activate both GPS and Wifi, provided the antenna is present.

Only problem is that their workaround seems to also rely on an internet connection (for GPS anyway). Weird. Hopefully a fully functional GPS device wont be far around the corner.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] GpsPasSion:
It's probably working in MS-Assited mode, it means measurements are done on the device sent to a server that computes the position. Pretty kludgy if you ask me !
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] fritsypeij:
Check http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361923&page=5 for more information about the present Wifi antenna and maybe even a GPS-antenna!

Edit: lol, you've allready replied in that thread :P Should have noticed it :P
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
So, any news on this?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
if i get a special SPL we can make some wifi tests!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] toby0067:
USB WIFI ???

It may sound stupid but I was just thinking about it.......

Have any of you tried using a USB Wifi device on the HTC Touch Dual with a USB to MiniUSB adapter . Do you think that will work ? Obviously we would require some drivers for the Windows CE version.

Please let me know if something like this works to get Wifi on HTC Touch Dual. Thanks
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
O_o

OK ... USB isnt USB! Importent thing!

Your HTC Nike have a Chipset they cant provide a USB Host Master! It only is a USB slave. it means ... he cant communicate with any other USB slaves.

You can only buy a SIDO Wifi Card for MicroSD slot.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] toby0067:
where do i buy a Microsd with wifi ?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] clonmult:
You, er, kinda don't yet.

Spectec were (are?) making them, but they're either not in production, or very difficult to get hold of. And expensive. I think they were supposed to be around $150? And of course you have to take your memory card out.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] rubberduck_84:
I have been waiting for the Spectec microSD WIFI card to come out for my touch plus. Recently i email Spectec to find out when it will be realsed. Unfortunelty i looks as if it wont be compatable with the Nike. Lets hope a solution is found to sort the internal wifi. (see below emails to spectec)

_______________________________

From: ####@spectec.com.tw

To: ####@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: SDW-823 MicroSD WiFi

Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:45:16 +0800

Hi xxxx,

Just got a Touch Dual device this morning. After tested, I regret to inform you that SDW-823 can not work with it.

Best Regards,

Justin Chen

----- Original Message -----

From: "####" <####@hotmail.com>

To: <####@spectec.com.tw>

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:22 PM

Subject: RE: SDW-823 MicroSD WiFi

> Hello.

>

> Do know any information about the release date for the SDW-823.

>

> Thanks

>

> ####
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Der Wichtel:
Maybe i have missed something but why isn't it possible to flash the radio rom of the polaris into the touch dual?

It was the same thing when they tried to enable GPS on the hermes. They flashed the radio rom of the trinity into the hermes. But since the hermes does not have an antenna the device couldn't get a gps fix
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Vorbeth:
It is possible, but it's not the radio thats stopping GPS it's a value set in the NVRam of the device.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] robert250175:
For the dutch/european readers: There is NO WIFI chip in the phone ! they left it out.

Source (tweakers.net who opened the phone and noticed that they left the chip out)

Only one possibility and thats to buy a minisdcard with wifi!

http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=w1sdw823

[Dutch] From tweakers.

Toch is niet alles beter geworden: de Touch Dual heeft gek genoeg geen wifi-chip meegekregen en dat vinden we op een moderne pda-telefoon toch een misser. Wellicht is HTC van mening dat de toevoeging van het snelle communicatieprotocol hsdpa wifi-ondersteuning overbodig maakt, maar er zijn momenteel nog geen goedkope data-abonnementen die je de hsdpa-snelheid volledig laten benutten en bovendien zijn deze voorzien van een fair-use-policy of een datalimiet van enkele megabytes. Wifi heeft volgens ons dus nog wel degelijk een meerwaarde.

Will translate it later tomorrow.

Kind regards Rob
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] indra9110:
in english !!

From tweakers.

Yet not everything is better: the Dual Touch has not crazy enough wifi chip inherited and that we find in a modern PDA-phone is a failure. Perhaps HTC believe that the addition of the rapid communication HSDPA wifi support redundant, but there are currently no inexpensive data subscriptions telling you the speed HSDPA fully exploit and these are provided with a fair-use policy or a few megabytes of data. WiFi has, in our opinion, is still most definitely an added value.

cheers

indra9110
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] janan:
The article seems to be a superificial review, I mean, not technically deep enough. I wouldn't say "...twakers.net who opened the phone...", that's not true at all, they simply unboxed it; the only thing opened is battery/simcard space, which is basic for starting the device ;)

Translated page of the article here.

Are you paid by Spectec :D? just joking ;)

I pesonally think we still can get wifi working on Niki.

Sorry for asking again but, has anyone else taken any photo of the bluetooth board inside the Niki?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] fritsypeij:
"HTC Touch Dual opengeschoven en betast" means "HTC Touch Dual slided open and touched" guess robert250175 is a little pessimistic ;) So no worries, in the other thread we even could see a wifi antenna inside.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] soulcrusher:
I followed the threads on tweakers.net quite closely, but no one had proof there 's no wifi antenna inside, but none of them has faith wifi will be available as well:p
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
Wifi Antenna is proofed!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] chinaski:
And how it proofed?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
Jow ... i am a Engineer ... i know how to messure circuits!

Next ... some software test, we have successfull patched!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] aiondennis9000:
I have two (2) Touch duals. I can test. Why wait?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
Its useless in the moment!

You need to mod a Rom Section with a Special Radio (difficult)

The SPL we use in the moment, isnt full patched (TFT gone White or some Rainbow Color, but we know how to fix)

We need a very Old Radio Rom for some NV-Items to change (wait for a HTC Niki compatible NV-Item edit tool)

It works only 5 min!! After that -> bufferoverflow and Niki crash.

If we fix the 5min bufferoverflow (this is why valvarin need a secound Niki)

the main work was and is disassembly a lot of parts in the rom ... need very much time and is very risky.

but ... after that, we can provide a lot of usefull tools!!! like a "type a2" unbricker ...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] dukecoke:
i would like to help you, so, if there is anything i can do, pm me =D.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
We get soon a secound niki for valvarin. Its all ready ordered!

But we need time! Stay tuned! I write status so soon as possible!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] amostalmor:
hi - do you know how to find the GPS as well?

hi - do you know how to find the GPS as well?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
Can't u read?

NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE GPS WORK ON NIKI!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Nikole:
Calm down...

I like your Signature :p
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
You do? I'm happy to know that...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
xD

pls don't flirt with my crew member :p

there are so many people who ask for GPS

GPS is not possible

Wifi is working but not stable and the patch that work now is not very

usefull, cuz other phone functions doesn't work well... but we working on

this... so many hours are gone but still working.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Nikole:
Thanks for your info and I just was ironic :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
Xd

didn't think so... u be flirting all the time with him i saw this :p

but this is off topic sorry
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Nikole:
I was not flirting, only I was angry for his bad manners. But you are free to think as you want :)

Niky
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
Good to know someone is angry with me....

lol
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] pinobird:
Rumor by HTC France

On this page: http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.smartphonefrance.com/actu.asp?ID=4600

you can read a rumor by HTC France that there might be come a patch for activating GPS and WIFI.

I hope this is true, but i have to see it myself first.

Pinobird
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
this news was already post there http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=397418

but I think that it was only a rumor... then the gps antenna is missing... so... only rumor...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] VanNist:
What about microSD with 802.11 b/g? Does any of you tried this?

I think making work wifi would be really dificult. I have also a Niki since a few days(in spanish) , if you need anything just ask. Do I need a registry editor like spb? I am really lost. I need wifi on it!!!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Aiden88:
Wi-fi We need YOU!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
What if you start by reading the threads?!?!?!?

There is no such solution (microSD with 802.11 b/g) at the moment!!!

Btw if you really need wifi you should sell your niki and buy a device with wifi or you should wait until we make it work, and that will be..................................................................... we don't know!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] jbrowatzke:
Wifi adapter

Not quite: http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm microSD 802.11b/g
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] TryOG:
It'll be available this month.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Billokko:
€?????????????:confused:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
If you were a litle bit more informed you should know that they are still developing that solution! I have an email sent by spectec saying this, and they say that maybe this month it will be developed, but in market only in the end of the year. So, once again: There is no solution like that at the moment (Like i said before....)!!!

Here you go:

" Thank you for the mail.

The microSDIO WiFi card 802.11n is still undergo. For marketing strategy and some technical issues, the product will be held until June plus another month for certificate, it will be released on Q3. (...)"
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] satofa:
Hi Evry body!!!

Iam sure about it

No Wifi Hardware On HTC Touch Dual It Just Software And itis Not Enabled

Thanks u all
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] satofa:
No Wifi bultin on this device It just Software so it not working
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
what do u think that we are working on?:rolleyes:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] cassio:
sorry, not being pushy or anything, but any updates? :)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] MrD21:
Hey Everyone,

Firstly, my apologies if what I'm about to say has been covered in this thread already but I've found something interesting which may shed some light on things.

I've read the majority of this thread and could have found out why wifi doesn't work on the Touch Dual.

I currently have a Touch Dual and a TyTn.

In the Network Cards settings, everything is identical EXCEPT the TyTn has a driver installed for the wifi hardware, whereas the Touch Dual doesnt.

There is software on the TD to manage the wifi hardware "WLANSettings" but there is no driver to manage the hardware.

I've done a bit of searching to try and find where the wifi driver is on the TyTn but I can't find any relevant references to it.

My theory was to extract/copy the driver from the TyTn to the TD and see if it works.

No idea if it will or not.

My other theory is that the TD HAS the wifi hardware onboard already and in the future when all the mobile companies come up with some "brilliant" idea to promote the all new TD mobile (maybe different name by then) it will be exactly the same as the current TD but with the wifi driver and other software installed.

Mobile companies do that ALL the time just to get customers in.

So if anyone can point me in the right direction on where to find the wifi drivers on the TyTn for the wifi hardware, please let me know and i'll try and copy it to the TD and see what I can come up with.

:cool:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Valvarin:
...

u can't take only the the wifi drivers from Kaiser...

I used the Sedna Drivers and then i patched some adresses.

the next thing is wifi is also blocked by the SPL and the Radio Rom.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] joaosousa:
This theory was already tested by us. That was one of the first thing's we have done. ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] aiondennis9000:
Actually first thing you did was get a free TD. :rolleyes: Next thing you do is delay delay delay. :cool: So did you guys talk to Kim ES yet? :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
next nerd come out of his hole!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] aiondennis9000:
Yeah I noticed the deflect action just now. :p I'll just move along and let you handle it. :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] dapoldi:
Question, besides being a troll in just about every post I've read from you on this subject, is there any reason why you're wasting oxigen on these forums?

If you're not being constructive you might aswell just walk on, saves precious scrolling-time on my G9 and I dont like to wear down my buttons ;)
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] badaas:
http://www.htc.com/us/press.aspx?id=41824&lang=1033

no mention of wifi on upcoming US WM6.1 release.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] aiondennis9000:
Mmm mmm yeah anyway READ!!!!

Same message you post states

Software Upgrades Available on HTC Devices

In partnership with Microsoft and key mobile operator partners, HTC will continue to extend the functionality of many current HTC devices both in the United States and abroad by providing Windows Mobile 6.1 updates. Windows Mobile 6.1, an update to Windows Mobile 6, provides new timesaving features, easier phone navigation and management, stronger security safeguards, and support for Microsoft System Center Mobile Device Manager 2008. Some of HTC’s most popular smartphones including the Touch by HTC and Mogul by HTC from Sprint, AT&T Tilt, Alltel Wireless’ HTC Touch and PPC6800, and the HTC TyTN II, will be among the first of many devices available for a Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrade.

Supporting existing customers and enhancing their experiences continues to be a focus for HTC; Sprint and HTC recently provided an update for the popular Mogul by HTC, making it the industry’s first EV-DO Rev. A-capable handset while also enabling additional GPS functionality.

What do you think the hidden message is here? :D
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
o_O

Can you read carefull this News or not? Read the Part about Touch Dual AGAIN. If you go over Start, dont take the 200us$ and go to the place, how the pepper crow!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] i486:
x2

I don´t like to wear the scroll of my Razer, too. :p

aiondennis9000 please stop spamming...
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] mastersnoopy:
Guys, I don't pretend to be smart, or in the know with all this cell phone stuff.. All I know is I'd love to have WiFi on my HTC Touch Dual which is what brought me to this forum. GPS doesn't really phase me, although internal GPS would be great, I'm happy with my Bluetooth GPS reciever for my tomtom software etc..

I apologize if this has already been tried, but after reading EVERY bloody page on this topic here, I haven't seen anyone try this solution (maybe I just missed it)

Does the miniUSB port on the left hand side of the HTC Touch Dual have the capabilities of supporting a USB Wifi Dongle? Could we make a patch lead that goes from a male miniUSB to a female regular USB Port where we could plug in a dongle?

This seems almost too easy, and i'd be suprised if someone hasn't already thought of it, or even tried it.. But i'm very interested to see what result was achieved from doing so.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/male a usb to female mini usb << something like this is what I mean

Terry
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ThinkPad-User:
I'm sorry, but that doesn't work.

The USB connector is designed to be a USB Slave device. Not a USB Host device
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] mastersnoopy:
cheers mate, i figured if it was too good to be true, then it most likely is..

Are there any updates on the wifi on the HTC Touch Dual?.. I've noticed this forum hasnt been touched in quite a while. Or is it time to count our loses & save up for a new phone WITH wifi?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
In the moment no Wifi. This type of Hacking is very difficult.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Tim4:
You says that Touch Dual's radio rom doesn't have wi-fi drivers in it.

Also it blocked in spl (I'm not pro in it, but how it can be possible:confused:, isn't spl is just loader?)

So, for example, if i flash radio from kaiser (Or cruise) and hack spl. Did wifi start's work?
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] garsim:
no!

read this: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2388302&postcount=758
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] NetrunnerAT:
The SPL is like a Bios!

It initalised the Video Bios, Wifi, Blue Tooth and Power Management. Then the Radio can use it with his Drivers, if a Config have the right settings. The Power Management and a Watch Dog is the main Problem we have. The next Problem is a security setting in the Radio.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] mastersnoopy:
So what information do we have to date?

The HTC Touch Dual does NOT have Internal GPS.

The HTC Touch Dual DOES have WiFi, But cracking it is proving to be quite difficult.

The mini USB port on the side cannot be used with a wifi dongle.

The micro SD Slot "may" support the micro sd wifi card (when its available).

These all right?... Anything I left out?

Terry
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] ducamie:
correct, mastersnoopy.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] mephisto20:
These two would make a nice summary at the beginning of wifi thread and save us a lot of silly quetsions.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] lujo_zgb:
Any news? :confused:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] garsim:
nothing :(
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Tim4:
Yesterday i have disassemble my niki100 and have found that's there is only 2 antennas (I didn't explore something new, just confirm that)

And also i have disassemble my crashed Qtek S200 and it have 3 antennas...

Seems like Niki100 doesn't have antenna for Wi-fi.

I don't know other way how to explain why S200 have 3 of them and why niki100 have only 2 of them :(:confused:
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] garsim:
please read the title of this post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361923 .

niki has wifi but is locked.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] asmouze:
Ok

Just bought a Niki and as I did have an ELF I didn't know the Niki hasn't have wifi.

I read the entire thread.

Welle good luck guys!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Tim4:
Garsim - i mean it seems like niki100 doesn't have antenna for wi-fi.

If you enable it, it will blind for any access point, because lack of antenna (Same thing with GPS, it doesn't have antenna too)