yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5818be676f3cc/dump.txt

Going to attach the libraries as soon as possible.

Edit:

Sorry seems like the output from Terminal Command is not what you were looking for, here's the output from FreeDcam:

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5818bf87984a1/Nexus 6_CameraParameters.txt

Edit: here's the camera.msm8084.so

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By2Nq4_gBuTQUzIyNERfWDZhWUU/view?usp=drivesdk

Edit: by the way these two lines in camera parameters caught my eyes:

video-hfr-values=60,120,off

video-hfr=off
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Right now cam2 is disabled

Clear Freedcam App data check for 1080pHFR Profile if it still does not show go into 1080p change frame rate to 60 and mode to High-speed then once you do that save the camera parameters and check video-hfr it should say 60 if it does all good.

Start Recording Video it should be recording with video hfr activated
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Finally!

These are the Video Profiles now:

1080p

1080pHFR

2160p

480p

720p

720pHFR

Timelapse1080p

Timelapse480p

Timelapse720p

UHD_2160p_60FP

Tried 1080pHFR, where I can record up to a point where the app stops counting the seconds of record at 00.00.01s. The preview works until I press the stop button, the video is set to save when swiped to the right and it processes the save infinitely. It may be because I'm low on battery (~20%). By the way the viewfinder stops after closing the app showing "Failed to Start Preview", and is only fixed with a reboot, other cameras don't show to preview either.

Edit: "Failed to Start Preview" even after reboot.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Hmmm that's not good but with camera 2 disabled try snapdragon camera from here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=64188260 if it also fails to record 60fps then Legacy Encoder will have to be enabled as Google made some heavy changed to libstagefright and that's causing some sh** with camera 1 video recording
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Lunatiic:
I know this is off topic, but is there any way to make this work with any 7.1 rom other than Nexus devices? I'm currently using a Moto X 2014 with an unofficial build of CM14.1. The apk installs just fine, the camera opens up, displays the viewfinder correctly but then crashes shortly after, I even managed to quickly press the capture button once and snap a picture before it crashed, but it ended up corrupted. I've attatched a logcat of the crash if you ever have the time to take a look. Google Camera 4.1 works just fine.

Thanks!
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Both the viewfinder and the flashlight refuse to work now, even after countless reboots. Any way to fix this without reflashing the stock ROM?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Remove that hal3 build.prop flag and reboot
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Just tried removing the line from build.prop, and rebooted, still the same. I guess I've got to reflash the whole ROM.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Type su getprop check if you see the hal3 flag in the list
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
shamu:/ # su getprop persist.camera.HAL3.enabled

sush: persist.camera.HAL3.enabled: not found

127|shamu:/ #

Edit: nevermind it's still there, got to edit the build.prop with some file manager.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
hope you got rid of that build.prop flag attached below is liboemcamera.so seems to be working on the nexus 5x

copy to /vendor/lib/ rw-r-r reboot and try Camera NX same as this http://xdaforums.com/nexus-5x/themes-apps/mod-google-camera-4-2-nexus-5x-android-t3477980/page31
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] sqpp:
You are actually wrong totally http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/05/qualcomm-snapdragon-805-specs-and-benchmarks/

Since Snapdragon is capable of capturing 4K video at 30FPS, it can use the same horsepower to capture 1080p videos at 120FPS. In that case at least 480p or 720p maximum capable to record in 240 FPS.

It's only software limit, not really hardware
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Sorry couldn't inform you, carried some personal ongoing work. Flashed a 7.1 CM based ROM lately, will replace the library and inform you as soon as possible.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Is the correct location /vendor/lib or /system/vendor/lib/ seems like I have both of them.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Its the same folder one is symlinked
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Replaced the libraries both in /vendor/lib and /system/vendor/lib and tried recording 60FPS on NX Camera (the one provided in this article), but no luck it still is 60FPS. By the way I found a .lib on /system/lib. Here's a photo below, let me know whether it serves you any help. I'm on CM ROM, if it helps. And I tried the snap cam with the replaced lib, no luck, going to try with HAL3 disabled now.

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Tried editing the build.prop and got only 720pHFR mode on FreeDcamera and got HFR mode enabled on Snap Camera with 120FPS slow motion and 120FPS(with the lib you provided) high speed both of them which return the message on the screenshot below, except lower resolutions (below 480p) record and stop right after with no information whatsoever. FreeDcam still does the same behaviour as before, records up until a point then stops counting at 00.00.01 and the video processes to save infinitely.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Add this at the bottom of the build.prop

media.stagefright .legacyencoder =true

media.stagefright.less-secure=true
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Still the same problem. FreeDcam returns from counting to 00.00.01 and Snap Camera returns the same message. Do you need the library(ies) I showed you in the earlier post?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
No its not needed I don't know whats wrong the same thing happens on the nexus 6p in camera 1 mode video refuses to record in android 7+ perhaps you can pm the rom dev and ask what's up.

You said in camera 2 mode video is 60fps when recording with Camera NX:confused:
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
The video saves like a 60fps video with Camera NX but it definitely is a placeholder, it's obviously 30fps.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
add these to your build.prop

persist.camera.logs=1

persist.camera.mct.debug.mask=536870913

persist.camera.global.debug=2

persist.camera.sensor.debug=2

Then Logcat Camera NX when recording 60fps

attach logcat output
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Unfortunately forgot to tell you, now any camera besides Snap camera and FreeDcam( if data+cache is cleared) crashes. Both stock and Camera NX. The HAL3 build prop line is most probably causing the crashes. By the way here's a logcat when I try opening the Stock Camera. it.http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581d7785d1a34/2016-11-05-07-07-56.txt
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Remove the hal3 line reboot start camera nx record 1080p 60 send that log don't filter anything

Also attach libmmcamera2_sensor_modules.so it may contain some debug props that need to be enable to show more log output
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581d807957b58/libmcamera2_sensor_modules.zip

Here's the .lib you asked, trying to remove the line now will inform you right back.

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http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581d82068754a/2016-11-05-07-53-10.txt

The logcat when trying to record in 60FPS.

The video saves and thinks it is slow motion, but it is 30FPS and in the part of slow motion it plays in a lower than 30FPS rate.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Ahh i see where it fails its in the lib you attached unlike the 5x the nexus 6 only requests 1080p but does not tell it what fps it needs so it matches full res to which maxes out 30fps

Possible solutions Drop Full Res fps to 24 this may allow it to search for something higher selecting the 1080p res in the lib.

Second solution kill full res and put 1080p in its place this solution would require a script to swap out libs for when you need to change between normal camera operations and shooting 1080p60.

I will check out the above lib and get back to you later.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Well I'm glad you sorted it out. I'll be here around pretty much all the day. By the way don't know whether this helps you or not, but the OnePlus 2 also has the same Camera sensor (imx214) and it can record up to 120FPS.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] HubrisRev5:
I wondered if you could help me out a bit, slightly off topic.

I managed to find a version of Google Camera 4.1 arm that works on my Nexus 4 (Nitrogen OS, Android 7.1), but the HDR toggle is missing. (It is present in both the 2.7 and 3.2 versions).

Does anyone know if there is anyway I can get it to work? maybe tweak something in build.prop?

Any help would be great! btw, the 4.2 version from this forum FC all the time, so I can't use unfortunately.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Its One Plus one

The libmmcamera2_sensor_modules.so seems to have been modified to hardcode only 30fps I've tried to disable the code that overrides it, it seems Motorola went to alot of trouble to remove functionality as usual

Try the attached lib I replaced pickresoultion_v3 method with an no operation opcode to prevent it from running
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e4275b505a/ssw.txt

The video doesn't even save as slow motion now. Do I have to change the resolution?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Fails to save any video ? Try 4k or normal 1080p also attach libmmcamera_imx214.so from vendor/lib/
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
It saves, but it saves as a normal 30FPS video, it does not show Slow Motion options(even though useless unless it really records in 60FPS). Will try the above-mentioned options and will report back soon, will also attach the library in a short while.

Edit: tried recording in both 4K and 1080p, same 30FPS no slow motion video, but it saves the video nonetheless. Here's the library btwhttp://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e4eeeae771/libmmcamera.zip
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
In the NX6 folder there are 3 folders Test1 to Test 3

TEST 1 : Attempts to hard code RES3 as default which is 60fps test with 1080p 60fps

Test 2 Restore Original libmmcamera2_sensor_modules.so copy lib int folder replace it reboot it replaces full 30fps with 1080p60

Test 3 is same as 2 but fps is 30 but sensor should be outputting at 60fps so you can try both 1080p and 1080p60

If you fc with test2 and 3 clear appdata
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
TEST 1: replaced libmmcamera_sensor_modules.so. Results in a saved video with no Slow Motion capabilites (even though I selected 60FPS on NX Camera)

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e664594491/TEST1.txt

TEST2: replaced libmmcamera_imx214.so. Results in Can't connect to camera in all Camera Apps (Camera NX and Stock Google Camera) log attached.

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e67b0e51a0/TEST2.txt

TEST3: replaced libmmcamera_imx214.so (from test3 folder with /system/vendor/lib) which again results in can't connect to camera.

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e68b12005f/TEST3.txt

Edit: to clarify this process, I cleared the App Data in both the second and third TEST. And also gave the right permissions to the libraries (chmod 0644 in TWRP).

Edit: Just checked Snap Camera and FreeDcam, there is a distorted preview of 6 stretched images with a blue-purple tint, and also with a very slow preview.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
:( try this one
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] blinqipa:
Nope, no luck again. Can't connect to Camera. You'll find logcat below.

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e886a9add0/TEST4.txt

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No luck again, Can't connect to camera. Below you'll find the logcat.

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/581e88bf6b340/TEST4.txt
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] nixcamic:
Instead of using a modified libmmcamera_sensor_modules.so. would it not be possible to just use one from the oneplus one?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
I'm not sure that would work but its worth a shot I have the source that lib if a ROM dev is willing to try and build it
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Nitsua036:
Not sure if this has been covered or not.

Recording in 60fps works for me, but the resulting video when played using the google photos app, isn't in slow motion. Instead everything else is sped up except the "slow" part, That goes normal speed.

Honestly it's pretty a fun bug, keeping it wouldn't be all that bad.

https://goo.gl/photos/D7aD16QYmzupEoWA6

I'm on fully stock 7.0 NBD90Z not rooted.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Ygor Cortes:
This is awesome! Thank you for the hard work...

Do you think it would be possible to enable HDR+ on the front camera? Does it need any camera hardware feature or does it only depend on software, processor and memory?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] yudumcan:
Thanks for the file but there's a huge lag on HDR mode. I needed to wait 5sec fo take another pic.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] ahmedmatter26:
I gave me fc

i using lg g2 cm14.1
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] JohnJCallanan:
No shi.t it's crashing this is for the nexus 6
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] mubaidr:
Is there anyway this could work for Motorolla Moto Maxx (Essentially the same specs and chipset)?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] yudumcan:
is anyone having lagging issues while taking HDR pics? mine is almost 10 seconds.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] cameraddict:
My N6 on 7.0 official with the bundled Camera App, always has significant HDR lag if my battery is low. I assume from the reported throttling. Is your lag with this version of the camera app different than this?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] yudumcan:
I'm on Nitrogen ROM I think mine is lagging even it's low battery or not.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Newmanl:
Work just fine...I'm on CM 14.1 20161225 on Nexus 5...But HDR+ does not work...do you know why?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] matheusgcdj:
Please see for Moto Maxx

PS(Sorry my bad english)
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] yudumcan:
Just tested it for few days there's a huge lag on HDR mode. it almost takes 6 secs to allow me to take another photo on HDR
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] BoredAtWork:
Any camera update with 7.1.1 on n6?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Alpert3:
Can you make the V4.3 available ?

Thanks in advance.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] nhizzat:
4.3 isn't even available for non-arm64 devices yet... Try asking Google if/when it'll be released.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Alpert3:
I have 64-bit OS, it's not a pb. The pb is for 7.0. For non-nexus & non-pixel users, 7.1 is still months away.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] zelendel:
I wouldn't count on it ever being released as all of Google devices are gonna be 64 bit from now on and all apps will be targeting that and not 32 bit devices.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] BoredAtWork:
Will ZSL ever be ported to Nexus 6 version of this app? The dual DSP on 805 can sure use it
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] AshishDeepak:
zsl didn't work..will wait for a complete update with smartburst also.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] eliaslear:
Works great. It got rid of all my loading and snapping lag. Hasn't had a hiccup yet. Great find.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] YandereSan:
Is there an Arm64 for Android 7.0? You know, because Samsung is on 7.0 and Google stupidly made it 7.1.

7.1 for sound mute is bull****. :/

Edit: Ok nvm, I just did it myself with Apktool X. Go figure it works just fine. Typical Google.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] susheel.bobin:
nice
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] dgm_mixtoon:
The 60fps is possible on shamu?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Mayur_Dhuri:
settings is getting FC (Android One sprout) is there any solution?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] cpnfantstk:
There is a newer version of Google camera for our 32bit than the one in OP. 4.2.0.35.. Noticed that It brings a thermometer icon on the top to choose cloudy, sunny, etc.. You can find it on the chromloop website which I believe is the OPs. Works fine so far.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] dgm_mixtoon:
upload test in youtube! :victory:
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Nautilus74:
I had corrected it... :(

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Link? :)
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] cpnfantstk:
https://chromloop.com/2016/12/updat...g-fixes-performance-improvement-apk-download/

Choose the last one that says ARM for Nexus 6 . Let me know your feedback on it. I don't see the fps settings for video though. If you can find, let me know.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Nautilus74:
I tried it, works fine.

There are not many differences with the previous ...

I only see the thermometer for the color temperature,

and pause during video shooting.

no fps

Thanks
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] cpnfantstk:
Sure. No problem. I guess not having those options in the newer version wouldn't make a difference. I don't think they work properly in any case.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] muhammadnaqvi03:
Guys it works on Samsung J5 2017. Try it mines on 7.0. It should work for any ARM device running Andriod Nougat.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] ffxmadman:
I confirm that the ARM version works on Samsung Galaxy J7 Pro (2017) too. Funny cause the phone has 64-bit processor. Any chance for non-Snapdragon phones like mine to have Google Camera HDR+ function?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Dungeon47:
Just tried the N6 file. Everything seems to work fine.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Beakhole:
So I've turned on HDR+ and there is still some lag between taking photos. Like I'll snap a photo and it still has to load for a few seconds before I can snap the next photo. Also, sometimes upon opening the app it's just a black screen. But if I there restart the app or switch to video and then back to photo and then it starts working.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Bristow Xavier:
the app keeps stopping in my device

Moto X 2014
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] selw0nk:
The camera app is for the Nexus 6 not Moto X.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] vinydasilveira:
Doesn't work on your brother Quark (Droid turbo) too
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] selw0nk:
What the heck are you talking about? I am using the Nexus 6 and the camera app works just fine.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] helloansuman:
Not working on Mi6
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] pvmpkin:
Hi,

Is there a modded version of the Google Camera version 4.3/4.4 for Nexus 6 running on Android 7.1.1 Nougat?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Superior Sandbox:
No. Unless someone can port the newer ARM64 versions to an ARM device (like the Nexus 6).

To my knowledge no one has been able to do this.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Riken143:
Not Working for Note Edge 915F

Can somebody help me. Not working in my Samsung Note Edge 915F.

Is there any alternative? Tnx
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Superior Sandbox:
Is the Note Edge a 64 bit device?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Riken143:
No. Its SD 805 variant SM-N915F =(
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Meritz:
Slight off-topic but is there any chance that someone can point me to an apk for the stock Camera app? I'm really just hoping to get HDR functionality back as I'm currently on a LineageOS based ROM.

EDIT: Looks like I misread the OP, I had assumed this apk wouldn't work on the Nexus 6 but it installed and so far is running fine. Glad to be back to the greatness of HDR shots, now if only I could eliminate the occasional camera lag.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] selw0nk:
This and the one in the Play Store seem the same to me. The shutter lag feels the same way also.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] muhammadnaqvi03:
Works on J5 2017 J530F. Thanks alot.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] pvmpkin:
Which is the better camera of the two? The one on this thread or the above link from chromloop. Does both version have ZSL force enabled and what's the difference based on your usage?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] selw0nk:
The above link is slightly updated. From what I understand both have NOZSL. They both seem the same to me. I still get a second delay after taking a photo on auto hdr mode.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] cpnfantstk:
No ZSL. Newer version .035 has temperature icon/setting on top. (Auto, Cloudy, Sunny, Fluorescent and Tungsten).That's the only difference I've seen. Try it. You might find that feature useful. I don't use it because I forget that I have it. Lol.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] iamfarhanansari:
Does it have portrait mode
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] zip545:
It works perfectly :good:
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Topaz8:
slow mo?

does it have slow-mo?:confused:
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] kickyvivi:
Anyone still have access to the source code of camera hal?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] Priyanshu__:
Stopped umexpectedly

Whenever i start the app it crashes

I am using it on my samsung galacy j7 max running android 7.0 arm

Please help meMLB
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] JayKayji:
Not Working - Redmi Note 4 Snapdragon MIUI 9

It crashes whenever I open the app always...!!:confused:
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] zapjb:
Thanks cpnfantstk for your link in post #124. Works on my N6 Oreo. Couldn't find your original post or I would've added my Thanks.

Edit: Now it works because I erased Dalvik & regular Cache AOSiP 8.1.

Silly how much I forget.
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] akastixx:
Anyone have a mirror of this?
[Nexus 6 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
check https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-suggested/
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] murryrulz:
The guys who brought us sunshine for HTC devices just released their bootloader unlock tool for those of us with Verizon Pixels. YAY!

Check it out here http://theroot.ninja/depixel8.html
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] dnoyeb:
Sweet, will do it in the morning for sure.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] JonMS:
Works perfectly first try. Wonderful news.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] JustusIV:
Few questions.

Does this do a wipe on the phone?

Will this allow you to flash stock images from google with no issues and remain unlocked?
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] qwer777:
If you unlock it and then relock it(without flashing the stock image from google), does it stay unlockable without exploit?
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] dbrohrer:
No. If you unlock the bootloader, you need to leave it unlocked. Otherwise you will need to re "dePixel8". No matter if you flash one of the google factory images or stay with your current build. The toggle will be greyed out the moment that you connect to the internet.

Also, word is the exploit will be patched in the November security patch. So there is a time frame on this (November 7th). You can also disable automatic updates if you aren't sure whether you want to do this in order to give yourself a little more time to decide.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] SophieTurner:
Is there a way to do this without wiping user data?
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] dbrohrer:
Unfortunately no. Unlocking or locking the bootloader wipes user data. Its a security feature. This is how all Pixel / Nexus phones have been for a while now.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] social-design-concepts:
DELETED
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] qwer777:
Alright. Thanks so much for the info! I'm guessing they're tying the lock to the IMEI then.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] darabo:
Could one unlock the bootloader on the Verizon variant, flash the stock Google firmware and receive OTA updates from Google? In other words, converting the phone to the unlocked version software wise.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] deesugar:
I want to know about this as well!

Also could Verizon become aware if their uses did this and retaliate by shutting off service due to violating terms or something?
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] cambunch:
They have never done this for other devices that have had their bootloaders unlocked, so I doubt it.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] darabo:
I highly doubt they'd go as far as shutting down one's service. Jailbreaking and modifying one's device has been deemed legal by the US Supreme Court IIRC, it's your own property to do what you wish after all.

Now if you were to hack Verizon's servers directly for some reason then that'd be a completely different story...