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[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
Man who are you anyway? One post and all of a sudden you know everything there is to know about the Touch AND Mogul? What did you just join this forum a year ago to download others work and never contribute or even post up until now? Yes I am a sales rep for Sprint but I do have friends in much higher places and I merely posted exactly what I was told and YES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, the new Touch's that are in stores now are using Rev A. I was also at a corporate Sprint store just yesterday and was using one of their working Demo Touch's and it was already loaded with the upgrade for Rev A as well so I don't know where you live but here in Kansas City, we already have the Touch's with Rev A WORKING. The 'upgrade' you speak of is already preloaded on the new Touch's being sold in stores but only on the new Touch's at the moment. The upgrade will be released to the public in Q1 08 like everyone was informed already.

So please... If you are going to post "know-it-all" comments do it somewhere else where people actually want to read it.

Have a nice day.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] nianmo:
I'll check that too

I am talking about sprint rep telling me that she has rev A on her mogul. what do you think about that? there is a built in antenna for gps, for sure. I just got the touch not even a week ago from sprint corporate store. and it's not rev A. I see no difference on speed compair to my mogul. I don't know if they just got the rev A now. when I had ppc 6700, I heard the same thing on that for GPS. and the same thing for mogul and touch. sprint is making money from there online (internet) and navigation service. why would they have to worry about? I have a good friend of mine working for sprint in kansas for almost 8 years. he programs all the cell phones applications and rom the way sprint wants it (different that the cellphone manufacturer). I asked him about revA and gps too. but he just said its coming, that's it.

let me tell you guys one thing. the rom on all touch out in the market and the rom on the new touch in sprint store ( as you guys say) is same. go chek it out. there is no way you can enable revA without upgrading the rom. then tell me about it.

thanks guys

:)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
WOW, there are going to be a LOT of very unhappy Sprint Touch users - including us !! We have read repeatedly since August that BOTH the Touch and Mogul would get BOTH Rev A AND GPS in Q1'08.

I tried to find an article from around Thanksgiving from some high level Sprint spokesperson CONFIRMING Rev A and GPS for Q1'08 ... AFTER we bought the Touch based on the rumor mill !!

What a colossal screwup once again by Sprint - with all of the iPhone competition in the market, no wonder Sprint is in such trouble !!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
I for one would like to hear from someone who has one of these Sprint Touches that already has REV A.

Also, if there are Touches out there with REV A, I would like to know why there are no dumps of that rom?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] ambush276:
that is pure BS...

as you will look in my threads on the forum i have a friend high up at the repair center where he works. I bought a sprint touch and he told me all the info about it. It first off DOES PROMISE YOU have REV. A. Its their and the ROM update WILL BE IN Q1 2008. ALL OF YOU DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT!

the GPS is also there, and it WILL BE UNLOCKED IN SAME ROM UPDATE, PROMISE!

The only thing though... about the GPS is the Sprint Rom might lock the GPS to only sprint NAV app... that is definatly possible, but if you get someone smart to do a reg edit, or modify the rom, then yu will be fine..

there is no employee w/ the REV. A as well.. The rep you talked to was probably mis informed. They probably ment it is REV. A upgradeable, but there are no handsets in the US that have rev. a EVDO on them. Only data cards... Yes Mogul and touch have same processor, same REV. A, and same GPS chip. IT IS there, and i dont know why you believe the BS some people post.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dim-Ize:
Dan - I think you took my post entirely wrong.

I'm simply saying - that I didn't find anything new in the post that you had made. We know that RevA is coming. We know GPS is coming. But, some users had commented that the chipset in the Touch, which is used in other current devices has the capability of satellite navigation (not tower only) and a WIFI slot. But, those had been disabled by Sprint. HTC has them in there - but - we can't get to them for reasons from the carrier. You adderssed the fact that the carrier doesn't want us to use them for financial reasons. But, several individuals had explained that the hardware was in fact present. In your post - I took it to read that you were implying that they weren't there at all.

For example: http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/rumors/sprint_to_finally_switch_on_gp.html

http://discussion.wmexperts.com/showthread.php?t=156622

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=12176&highlight=wifi

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148473&highlight=wifi

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147999&highlight=wifi

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=345167 see post #78.

So, I didn't mean that your comments weren't appreciated. They are. I just didn't find anything new in them from the other information currently available.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
It's cool. I only posted what I was told by an executive who works with the development team, whether accurate or not. I personally do not know for sure and am not arguing with anyone, I am just defensive by nature.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] petrochemicals:
What do you mean, "whether accurate or not" how does that help anyone...? So I heard from this kid that knows this guy that is dating this chick that it has wifi. Jesus get informed. We have all known since launch no wifi and Q1 08 gps and revA. Where have you been? Read up a little on the subject. Go to other sites than just this one. Get you head out your @ss.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] basser8616:
dh how do you check the speed on those rev A phones. Dslreports or something? Could you get us some numbers? Thanks.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] twospirits:
Thats rather rude.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
Yes I agree. People like him should not be allowed here.... It's pathetically childish at best when someone has to act like that on a forum. It honestly makes me feel kinda bad for him that he has to pretend to be some hot shot on a forum where noone cares...

Oh well.....
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Dan, don't try to squirm out of this mess of MIS-information you were laying on all of us - you said "sorry guys", but my executive blah, blah, blah "connection" KNOWS the truth and you guys are SOL ... move on !!

Thanks to guys like Ambush276, there ALWAYS is more G2 then what "you think you personally have access to". You are obviously well connected into Sprint ... just don't get too cocky is all ... stay cool and be open for NEW info !!

That's why this is a forum for rumors and continuously pushing for more details.

THANKS Ambush276 for the time you took to assemble those great links to the truth ... I remembered the Sprint announcement but didn't have time to find it.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
I'm not trying to squirm out of anything. Like I said I only posted what I had been told. I don't doubt what he told me, but then again, I'm not on the development team with Sprint either so what information I have is pure hear say. I am open to new ideas and really hope that someone can enable WIFI on the Touch as much as I doubt it. I plan on getting my touch within the next week or so so I will be right up there here with you guys and I will dump my rom so someone here can figure out how to build custom ROMs and what not but that's not for another week or so.

While I am on the subject, does anyone here know how to dump the Touch's ROM? I will need to know so that I can take care of that once I get my Touch.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Dan .. the MAN, just admit that you were duped by some "executive" at Sprint corporate to "feed us some BS Kool aAid to drink" !

It's Xmas an at least your heart is in the right place that you are actually getting a Touch yourself and are now in bed with all of us other believers.

It's good that you that you got suckered, but be very careful to "guarantee" the info you receive before adding to the forum ... that's all.

And don't ever think that because you have over 700 posts that you are BETTER than us -

WHEN you don't even own a Touch

... WE ALREADY OWN a Touch and use it everyday ... and are JUST trying to make it our user experience better !!

It's just part of the BS game ... so DON'T drink the Sprint "corporate" Kool Aid, and get us that ROM dump and updates on the exact status of the ROM update !!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] zytor:
Feelin Dumb....

Kind Of A Really Stupid Question, How can you tell the version of the EVDO you have? I do not see it in Device info. :confused: :confused:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Hennevey:
This post is real trash. cannot get any info between all those dudes quarelling. Keep up the good work.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
You want the facts ... just go to post #35 for the latest info. Those of us that actually own Sprint Touch want to know about GPS as well as "the possibility" that WiFi could be somehow enabled with a hack. This is a Vogue/Sprint Touch thread - Sprint NEVER said that the Touch would have WiFi but the rumor is that the hardware may be there just like the Touch in Europe - just disabled by Sprint ??

The flip side is that in the US, EVDO RevA has speeds that might make WiFi "less" of a critical need - we already have had Rev A on our data cards for some time. The latest target is Q1'08 for a ROM update that will enable Rev A and GPS.

That's where we are - anyone else ?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dim-Ize:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=12255
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
That didn't really tell me much about how to dump the ROM but ok.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
hey all, I voided my waranty, and cracked open my phone, but I can't confirm anything, there is no text anywhere on the device inside that might explain what each component is, I can confirm however that there are 3 seperate antenae atatched to the board, I can't think of 3 things that need these antenae unless there is wifi, (phone network, bluetooth, wi-fi) am I missing anything?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
Yeah, pictures.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dim-Ize:
Did you read the whole post and try the program ;)

You can check post #46+. But, the tools, contacts, and resources are in the thread.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
yeah, i know pictures would help, maybee this weekend I will take the digital camera to work with me an try to snap some shots. I can't get it fully apart though, as I do not have the proper tools, I used makeshift junk I made myself to get it apart last time
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
OK, now that we have visual confirmation of 3 antennas, can someone consult a service repair manual to identify them. Is Sprint the only one authorized to repair the Sprint Touch ??

What about the Elf/Touch in Europe - how many antennas, does anyone know ??
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] storino03:
Could be:

-Antennae for phone reception

-Antennae for bluetooth

-Antennae for GPS

--James
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
yeah, not helpful, from what I gathered over the forums is that if there were wifi it would share an antena with bluetooth, anyone know if this is acurate?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] zytor:
Sprint Cust Service

I just talked to a Sprint Cust Care Rep, was having small tech problem with phone, So i asked him about the Wifi and GPS, he said "We are told to tell customers that the hardware is not there, and cannot be enabled" so I asked.... "did HTC make a special phone without the hardware" He said, "I cannot say, we are instructed to say yes, but i find it hard to beleive it is removed.. ha ha, The 7500 chip has the hardware"

So take this info for what it is worth.... :D :cool:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
I have said it before and I will say it again, the 7500 chip set does have GPS built in, it does not have WiFi built in according to Qualcomm's website. It supports a Wifi chip on the SDIO bus, but it is not part of the actually chip set. This means that a wifi controller would have to be purposely added in the system for it to have it. Then, HTC and/or Sprint would have to have it disabled.

The bluetooth radio is the same way on this phone. It is not actually part of the phone's chipset, it is an external chip connected via a serial interface. The difference is, that we already know that bluetooth is there.

This is exactly why I have been asking for pictures of the inside of the phone for 2 months now. So I and others can take a look at what is there.

I am not saying that I KNOW that WiFi is not in the phone, but I am saying I highly doubt it. I just can't see any real reason why they would spend the money for an add in chip, only to disable it.

You can read more about the 7500 chipset here: http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
I have heard of phones having bluetooth and wifi on the same chip, if that were the case with this phone, the would have had to change hardware, and therefore it is possible that it is there, but I have no Idea what the truth is at this point
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rudegar:
depend on the cpu of the phone as various are used TI, samsung, intel....

http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679

this is the block diagram it does show wifi but if htc dident connect those outlegs to an antenna it's a no go
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] ambush276:
its there, seen it, i know we need pics, look at my posts in the ELF forum under the wireless post.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] basser8616:
How about it, would you be able to run a test or two, it shouldn't take more a min or two.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lowen SoDium:
Why are you posting about the Vogue in the Elf forum?

edit: After reading your post, I have no reason to believe anything you said as you offered no pictures, no screen shots, no explaination of how it was done past "my friend did it", heck... you didn't even do anything to test what your public Internet IP address was to verify what connection was being used (assuming that there is more than just the EV-DO connection). There are some contradictions in your story too. For example, when a phone is in Airplane mode, it would shut off the wifi radio too. If your argument is that because the wifi was hacked, airplane mode doesn't do that, then why should I believe that it still shut of the CDMA radio? Your friend is supposed to work at a service center, but I don't get the feeling that he is very techincal if he really believes that there is no way to prove that a device is using a WiFi connection. Any half way knowable network technician would tell you that you can sure prove it by looking at the access point and listing the clients by mac address, and if they know what they are doing, they can actually look at the network usage on the wireless interface of the access point.

Sorry, your story just isn't believable as it was told with out more proof.

Look, I would like for the Vogue to have WiFi too, but I can't see any real reason to believe that it does.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
from what I can tell poking around the registry, it seems that all the software is in place for a wifi conection, the os supports pcmcia wifi cards, although there is no slot, if there were in fact wifi on the board, I would be %90 sure it's a hardware disable, and not software the other %10 percent doubt comes from the lack of support in the commanager. Now the question is, why would htc even install the hardware just to disable it? unless it is in fact a combo w/ bluetooth or something else, anyone know enough about windows mobile to query the hardware i/o see if something is there but lacking drivers, or just to know how everything conects to the system? I know nothing about windows mobile, one thing I did try was to take all the wrlsmanager packages including dll packages from an elf rom and add them to the sprint rom on hofo, and the result was multiple entries of the same file errors when I went to build the os. so like I said, wifi support is there, it seems that hardware however is not. if I had proper tools i would take my phone all the way apart, but there are a couple screws I can't do anything with right now, and without undoing those screws I can't actually get a look at the wiring on the board. the phone is really easy to take apart, and everything has plugs internally so you don't have to worry about severing wires to get the thing apart, anyone care to try?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rudegar:
there is the microSD slot
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobaka:
$15/month for evdo which works fine everywhere including skype. who cares if it has wifi
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] elements:
anyone else get a text message from sprint today?

9010

Sprint Navigation is included in your current Sprint plan. Visit your local Sprint store to upgrade to a GPS Navigation enabled phone.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
I got my Touch in early Nov and got several messages the same - that's because until the ROM update there is NO GPS "officially" on the phone.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] elements:
ahhh gotcha

I got all excited for nothing
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] purelithium:
$7 here in canada on bell... ;)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] thefish123:
The Bell $7/month package is a great deal. I have been wanting to get a WM phone/device for ages but the price of the data plans always scared me off. The Touch is a winner already. If it turns out to have GPS that will make it even cooler.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] bon_joey:
thats right, but we need evdo rev a to make skype (voip) much better :rolleyes:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Any photos yet ??
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
no photos yet, still trying to track down the proper tooling to remove the screws on the inside, don't wan't to mess it up as I have no warranty anymore
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
It uses either a T5 or T6 Torx screwdriver. You can buy one at radioshack for next to nothing or get an entire precision screwdriver set for less than 20$.

Trust me, I know all too well what radioshack carries...(see signature)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
the screws on the inside are different than the ones you can see on the outside
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
anybody tried a radio rom from one of the european carriers that have wifi enabled? to answer my own question, NO, or I assume there would be a post about it
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dcd1182:
i believe you are referring to the touch, which uses a gsm radio.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] dan-htc-touch:
I am not sure, I heard there was a cdma vogue in europe that had wifi on it? I have not been able to find any info on it though
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] lummock:
FDA internal pictures

Will these pictures not help?

I don't know what i'm looking at but I thought they might save someone some hassle.

FDA link for CDMA Vogue

note I attached the pdf as a .cab rename to .pdf to view
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
What is the latest status of the ROM upgrade to Rev A ???

I think I heard Jan 2008 back in November (or was it Q1'08) - any newG2 - this "should" tell us about at least the GPS part of this thread ????
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mixxy:
ok so now we've got the pics, and they look EXTREMELY informative...where do we go from here?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] res22fbz:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818529&native_or_pdf=pdf

Page 5 Mentions "AGPS Functions"

and also did anyone notice they added a revised Manuel for the Touch dated 01/15/08 anyone know what was changed??
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mbote:
I'm afraid they only referring to the Location Service GPS not the one we're looking for navigation

Hmmmm ... I noticed a footnote when describing the LED (check the Alltel doc)

Right LED: Shows a flashing Blue light when the Bluetooth system is powered up and ready to transmit Bluetooth radio signal, or an Amber light for GPS status*.

* The notification of GPS status depends on the network and carrier services.

OK -- If this entry was a mistake on the document previously published for Sprint, Bell and Telus..... I'd understand, and the fact it's not removed makes me still think we have something here.....

Having "GPS notification status dependent on carrier services & network" tells me it's just a matter of a Radio ROM to get things moving on this end.....

Anybody take a look @ the Alltel ROM for any difference with the rest of us.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mbote:
Actually you could use the internal VoIP built-in WM6 ... I'm using it on a Bell network and works just great (except, the sound comes out of the speaker). The regular hack online doesn't work well.. I did add in something in the registry in relation to rtp...let me know if interested..
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mbote:
You're right, the answer is NO since all Touch are not created equal. AFAIK, CDMA's Touch are only North America while the rest are on GSM.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
What's the status of this key ROM update ??
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] No1ustad:
I heard it was jan 28th over on ppcgeeks... but not sure that's valid... 10 days. wait and see i guess?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Thanks for the input - what does PC Geeks say the ROM update will include besides the know REV A ??

GPS Nav ??

Do you have link ??
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] anywhereanytime:
Now THIS is what we are waiting for - GPS at least !!

Check out this YouTube video - the author has comments "off" so does anyone know exactly which software this is ??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDXXYuJSWM4