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[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haziago:
Only two of the ones I mentioned "needed" root and in 7.0 the option has been re-added without root. And of those that need to be rooted for LED, third party apps can replace rooting in most aspects. The fact of the matter is there is no LED light AT ALL so there is no possible work around. Even the ones that required rooting still had an LED light.

I'm not sure what your argument is here. The vast majority of Android users are used to the multi color LED light to see notifications from a distance. So much so that they have found the hidden LED lights and/or rooted phones to get it on the few that didn't come with it stock. Taking it away is an annoyance no matter how it is framed.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] athack:
Light Flash for Notification

if you want your light to flash for notifications .. under accessibility you can toggle on light flash for incoming calls, messages, notifications... hope that helps those that were wanting that feature we have gotten used too.....
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
My Nexus1 trackball was disco! I prefer LED strobe lights! :D :cool:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
No they cannot...not unless your OEM either gave you Nougat in the last month...or unless your OEM baked in LED control into the stock kernel. Believe me. I dealt with this on my Shamu. The LED prior-to-last-month only worked as a notification with root and Lightflow or modified kernel/firmware. Until last month, did I mention this only changed last month yet? HTC owners have had it since the HTC One IIRC, but HTC handsets are generally poor sellers-and odds are HTC will not exist much longer.

"Everyone is used to it" indeed. "Everyone" being Samsung users...and that is about it.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] @rbiter:
How many DACs you have that work wirelessly? Let me know when you figure out it is 0 and using audio wirelessly always uses the target object's DAC. SMH.

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Nexus One trackball was baller back in its day. Kind of wish we could get a fingerprintscanner/track pad on newer generation phones. Track pad definitely has it's uses. Would also partially make up for no capacitive stylus like s pen. Need granular control sometimes a finger can't do.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haziago:
I swear I don't think you are reading half of what you are replying to.

The VAST majority of android users are used to an LED. Simple fact. Even if we go by your logic of only Samsung users being used to it that is still the VAST majority of android users as they have the biggest share and have had for half a decade. BTW I've only owned one Samsung phone. Rest being Nexus, HTC, LG, Moto, and a couple others. Thanks to work I get to use a wide variety as well.

Let's just compare the companies selling the most popular android smartphones currently on carriers and whether they usually have LED lights.

1. HTC. Owners are used to it and while they might not be around for much longer they have historically had a big chunk of the market and are at the moment a lot less dead than the Nexus line (Like your Shamu). No root.

2. Google's brand new Pixel phones. Native LED light and stock enable option. That fact alone deals damage to your theory of Google trying to do away with it. Hell they made it easier to use in N. No root.

3. Samsung, most phones. No root.

4. Xioami, most phones. No root.

5. Blackberry, most phones. No root.

6. OnePlus. No root.

7. LG phones. Have historically had them on almost all phone outside of the second screen line. Still do in the most popular G and K lines. In fact a light gripe of the v10 was the fact it did not have LED notification light. Enough so that it's somewhat surprising they didn't add it in this time. No root (on those that have it).

8. Moto. Most have it. Some need to be rooted to use it. They also seem to be the only company trying to get rid of it in favor of their screen display. Hell your Shamu still had a LED light and while it was one that needed rooting to use it, it still had a damn LED light while also being as easy as possible to root.

So tell me again with factual data (instead of your constantly given anecdotal evidence) how the majority of Android users are not used to LED notifications both historically and currently. Simple market share proves you wrong. Current and past options also do.

In fact I would turn your snarky comment back on you.

"'Everyone isn't used to it' indeed. 'Everyone' being Motorola users...and that is about it." Or an iPhone user :silly:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Kief_haring:
LED should be mandatory... Second screen is cool but unless you're Superman it's hard to see from a distance.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Ktk:
I wonder if they/we could get the second screen to turn into pulse a solid color to replace the LED? That'd be sick.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] animator776:
My T-Mobile V20's speaker is a downgrade from my G5, pretty disappointing since everything else about this phone is stellar
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FrstdOne:
How is the overall cellular reception (there's only one post on this so far in the subforum) ? I just got an S7e, I love the phone, it's great in every way except as a phone and might want to switch while I'm still within my 14 days.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] McQueefus:
For me its awful on at&t. It constantly switches from 1 bar of lte to edge. I do live out in the country but it never happened with the note 7 or the nexus 6p
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] evo4g63t:
I would agree that the lack of led light is a big annoyance (as an owner of the v10).

I can see that they probably figured the second screen would cover it but it doesn't. Perhaps they can add a flashing feature to the second screen?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] riz157:
Led light is a no brainier. The only ones who get away with no led notification light is apple.

That's one of the main reasons along with the childish cartoonish ui I haven't taken the plunge and bought v20. Yes yes I know you can download other launchers but ui is still. Visible in messaging dialler and settings, it's one of the main reasons Lg has never really taken of in the west.

It's mind boggling why Lg won't ditch their ui and come up with something cleaner, less cluttered, less lag, flat.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] @rbiter:
LCD or better yet OLED they could still make a digital notification circle pulse.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pick_A_Name:
First I'm on Tmo with this device. It uses a micro SIM do I can't test it with AT&T yet. But given how I've always heard Tmo is worse than AT&T, I'll say the reception is great. Sitting at home with my N4 (AT&T)and V20(Tmo) side by side, I get 3 bars with N4 and 5 with V20. And that has been true for the other places I've checked that were always a problem for me. There's a building I go to for work sometimes that always has terrible reception because of all the metal racks(think Sam's/Costco). There are a lot of times I literally have no connection, but I had 4 bars in there while the N4 had one. It could be that Tmo is better in those locations. To me it's better everywhere. Before I switch to Tmo, I'm going to get a SIM from AT&T to see. But it'll probably be Tuesday before I get a chance. I'll update you after I do. Hope this helps.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] @rbiter:
Reception great on this phone. Very good. Don't hesitate if reception is a high priority even if you're on T-Mobile. It works very well on T-Mobile. I do have to say though that even though GPS works very well and locks to more (about 2-3 more often than my note 4) satellites quicker, often times it takes longer to get an actual good lock. Like 30ft or less lock, but you will get the lock with more satellites and maybe up to 15 seconds longer than note 4. Reception overall is a highlight in this phone that is overlooked. LG tends to be hit or miss with some phones reception, but the phones that do well, do so very well, like the v20.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] el_chuqui:
I didnt read through all 28 pages. But is anyone having aproblem using second screen when using a 3rd party launcher? Im using nova and can only see tome when on home screen. Can only use shortcuts when in apps or notification menu.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pick_A_Name:
I don't have any problems with it using nova. Maybe you changed something in settings to turn it off when using apps? I'm not really understanding what isn't working for you though.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] el_chuqui:
When i use nova i can only see the date on second screen. I cant scroll keft or right to see my app shortcuts or music controls. Yea i thought that was the issue but it might be on the nova settings.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] StaticMoot:
It does that whenever you have the app set to go full screen. So if the notification bar and the home buttons are hidden, it moves the time and signal and such to the second screen.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] el_chuqui:
Guess its because i have it set to hide the status bar.will try again. Even tho now with ability to change icon size lg launcher isnt bad. I just use the swioe shortcuts that is why i use nova.

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Yea. Allowing notification bar fixed my issue.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Jooosty:
Reception is the shizznit on T-Mobile. It is using CAT12 speeds son. 600mbps! AWS3 on deck!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] evo4g63t:
I am probably the only one in the world that thinks this but I think the removal of the steel bumpers was a bad move and I think it made the phone stand out. Now the v20 looks pretty much like a g5 with a second screen.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
I like both designs, but, would be OK with the contrasting stainless side bumpers if they were on the V20.

I'm also looking forward to some 3rd party battery covers, including one that mimics the look/feel of the V10.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] beast330001:
How do you know when you're on aws3?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] pestilencec11:
Guess the only gripe is it's not the Mi Mix.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Jooosty:
I have no idea lol. It's just fast !
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] tcfiero:
I copy alarm files into Dropbox and then go to new phone and copy from Dropbox into the media folders in the new phone.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jinkerz9430:
Just to let you know, My device did the same again today. Even when i was calling to the department of solution the call dropped 3 times and the signal bar showed that X, then i said, you know what? Let's cut this joke off, call me to my other phone number (LG G3). and now i have green light to go exchange mine :eek: :eek: ! and i thought i was a lucky bastard, now im an unlucky bastard LOL well, tomorrow i will be going to tmobile to exchange it. And God have mercy on them if they dont want to change it because i will force them to. :cool:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
Make it happen! That's definitely not normal or acceptable!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jinkerz9430:
Yup!!! by the way. do i get to keep the accessories ?lol i mean, it is just the device what is defective. That cable is good quality stuff that i would love to have an spare one.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pick_A_Name:
Don't put them in the box when you return it. If they say nothing, then all is well. If they ask for them, have them in your car. :D
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jinkerz9430:
lol i might as well go without the box and give them the phone, if they ask for the rest, then i will say i will go to the house to pick it up .( in this case,,, the house will be my car + 15 minutes waiting inside of it lol)
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KAsp3rd:
Ive done a many defect swaps with T-Mobile and only ince have they kept the charger/accessories. What they will do if they do keep them is put the new ones from the exchange on the old device and the new device will get your accessories. That was a couple years ago when that one happened. When I did a swap on my v10 for light bleed I got to keep everything and they just took the old device back.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] kms108:
I'd wish LG used MM for the V20, and provide a upgrade to N when they are sure they have a stable version, the current android 7.0 10a is totally unstable, whiles the released update on the 28th (same day as the V20 released date) is much better, but still has it's problem.

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For me, I don't tend to use any of the accessories, even for my V20, i'm still using my samsung 2A charger, and a microUSB cable, using a type C adapter.

Whiles i exchanged my previous phones from samsung, a few models, and the LG V10 and G5, some of the accessories I get to keep, they never asked for them to be returned, whiles sometimes they do, and If they ask for them, they will deduct 100 HKD, approximate 10 USD until I return them, they usually tell me to keep them, all OEM, which includes cable, charger (including LG fast charge), IEM, and other accessories, it works out a better bargain, then buying them from a shop.

But I don't know whiles i keep the chargers, I never like fast charge, slow charge will prolong the battery life.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pick_A_Name:
I'm not concerned with longevity of a $20 battery that's removable. On the N7 I turned off fast charge.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jrwingate6:
What is unstable about N?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] polstein:
I'm having a problem where the back of the phone keeps coming loose in my pocket. Not sure how I'm hitting the button.

I run a naked phone and would have to put a case on to keep the dang back in place. This just me, or anyone else having this problem?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] suprap7:
Sounds like a defect...I have never had that happen. Additionally, for me to get the phone back off I have to press that side button pretty hard.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Koont:
For some reason I have to turn down the right side in DAC in order for my iFrog CODN Bluetooth/wired to play out of both sides when wired and plugged in.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pick_A_Name:
Not I. Are you sure you're getting the back put on all the way?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] kms108:
Either you haven't put the cover on properly or you have a defect one, there is no way you can accidentally push the button.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jrwingate6:
If your back plate is coming off in your pocket then you have a defective device. Mine actually reauires some decent force after pressing the button.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] kxhaz:
I am on T-Mobile and I found that both my S7 edge and especially my Note 7 (both versions) had some reception issues. The v20 has great reception. There are places in my office where both my S7 edge and Note 7's would lose reception (Note 7 would not get it back with out a reboot) and my v20 still has reception. Also the call quality because of this has really improved as well.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] polstein:
On your suggestions, I tried to play with the button and it's very hard for me to intentionally take the danged thing off. Yet I'm doing *something* with the way it's sitting in my pocket. I assume phone is ok, I just need to figure out what/how I'm sitting or pulling it out of my pocket..whatever I'm doing. Thanks.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] kms108:
To release the cover you have to push the button very firm, the cover should just pop open, I think in your case, you didn't put the cover on properly. I hope it's just like that, as it's impossible it press the button whiles in your pocket.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] @rbiter:
Improper back placement methinks. Mine is pain to make sure it is locked properly.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
The V20 lags a lot when playing games. It is probably a simple kernel governor adjustment but because we don't have root. I have to live with this ****ty lag or return the phone.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] kxhaz:
I don't play a lot of games, but I was wondering if you have the game battery saver turned on, I know this will slow some of the graphics to save the battery.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
The Note 7 has a 1.7 aperture setting the V20 has 1.8 aperture setting and the Pixel has a 2.0 aperture setting the lower the number the greater the amount of light camera lens takes in.

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I turned the battery saver off it still lags on Final Fantasy Record Keeper.

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My Note 7 never lagged while playing the same game.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] kms108:
Could be android 7 thing, app probably need a update to support android 7.

this is same for me when using xe.com and tsum tsum.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
It will be interesting to see how well the Pixel does on games.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haziago:
Strange. I'm running games better than I ever have on a phone. not just any games either but graphic intensive ones such as HIT, Warhammer 40k Freeblade, War Robots, and Vainglory.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
I am coming from Samsung's Note 7. It even proforms better than V20 when you are recording your game and have a bunch of apps running in the back ground.

I guess when you have had the best phone. You have get use to second rate phones. Samsung kept improving because they allowed developers to improve their phone kernels. LG doesn't like learning from developers.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
I did all that. Don't get me wrong I love the removable battery and ir blaster on the LG V20 but the performance on video games sucks on the LG V20.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] @rbiter:
Don't know why you and others keep endorsing l speed/entropy/fstrim apps. Good way to Bork your phone. We are using solid state storage, not magnetic disk drives. There are few instances you want to optimize solid state storage and phones don't fall under that category.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haziago:
Like I said, I'm not getting these problems at all. Just the opposite. I'm able to push this one more than the Note 7 without hiccups and it is far less laggy in every aspect over both Note 7s I had. Granted this is anecdotal evident from both of us. On the other hand the few LG V20 reviews and benchmarks are so far leaning in the V20's favor too. But if you are dead set on it being a kernel issue the phone was just rooted.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] @rbiter:
Only disappointment with this phone is no wacom digitizer and accompanying stylus. Lol.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] arn82:
Device to device file sharing via wifi direct sucks on the V20. It's not intuitive and easy, specially if the other device is not a LG. Best solution I found was to use Super Beam app, but both devices need the app installed.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] howdyace:
Send anywhere is better
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Ippolito1971:
I've got to say coming from the Note 7 and not expecting tons I've been very happy. This V20 impresses me almost daily. Camera is excellent in every light aspect (I prefer manual mode), software is heads and shoulders above the Note7, Nougat is simply amazing on this device, gaming, video, and of course quad dac sound is superb in every way. I haven't had one issue and it doesn't get hot at all. I did turn animations off and have left the comfort view on (saves battery and is nicer to look at) but otherwise it's just stock and is amazing. Battery life has been quite good and gets better as it learns. I'm very impressed. Moreso very happy with it.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] mlknez:
I am very disappointed by the inability to make full use of the great DAC that is supplied. As far as I can tell, you cannot play pcm greater than 96khz and cannot play DSD files natively without pcm conversion. If this is incorrect, please let me know.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] koppee1:
Same here
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Jooosty:
Comfort view is definitely easier on the eyes. I've gotten used to using it all day.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] pestilencec11:
What setting do you use?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Jooosty:
Holy crap, I didn't know there was settings lol. I had mine on high. It was a little warm but easy on the eyes.

I changed it to low. Thanks for pointing that out.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] pestilencec11:
Hahaha. I'm giving medium a go for 24 hours for the first round. Then ill try low. High was too warm.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] evo4g63t:
Somehow I doubt that since the phones are practically the same spec wise. These benchmarks say otherwise

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-V20_id10202/benchmarks

I'd try the Antutu benchmark app to see what score you get if you get a low score with battery saver disabled I'd get it exchanged.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
Here is my Benchmark rank. You thought I was messing around when I mentioned my device had some serious lag problems.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haziago:
That's 30kish less than the average. You definitely have something going on with yours.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
For comparison just now. Same Sprint model.

Something is running on your device keeping it down.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] AkaD187:
It is more than likely a heat issue. Mine goes that low when the phone is hot. Got a 150k score with a fresh boot, cool device and a fan running on it. Give it a try with a fan or AC running on it and see if it improves.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] cam1pbell:
I'm wearing my jaybird x2 Bluetooth headphones when I walk with my phone in my back pocket my headphones cut out. Drives me crazy. When I'm sitting still they sound fine. Plus my phone is lagging a bit . when I use chrome browser. I'm really trying to like this phone. Ugh
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jamice4u:
I learned that if your phone is plugged in it has a tendency to run hot. When your phone is hot the cpu slows down which caused the lag I was experiencing when I was playing video games on my phone. I guess it is a safety feature which protects the phone.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Yup. Snap 820 throttles charging if screen is on. Unlike say the Snap 805 that shipped in Nexus6 Shamu, that didn't....result was that during a firmware flash while charging the SoC could easily ding upwards of 45-50C depending on the ambient temperature.....and if ambient was high enough, the SoC could thermal-shutdown the phone to protect the SoC from overheat, during the first-boot (app optimization) of a new ROM/firmware. A few times over the summer when I didn't have A/C on, I had to resort to putting the phone in the fridge during that first boot.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] midnightmaraude:
I really dislike the native messaging app. The one LG G5 had and its emojis was so much better
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Exleh:
Only complaints I have had so far:

1) Very poor battery life, even with apps disabled and Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPS off. My friend also has a V20 and his is the same way.

2) Camera quality absolutely sucks in Snapchat and some apps, but this is likely an issue with the apps themselves rather than the phone.

3) Generally buggy software experience so far, but this phone is new so that is to be expected.