yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
MTCB/C 2GB RAM Group Buy

NOTE - THIS GROUP BUY HAS FINISHED, ANOTHER IS TAKING PLACE, SEE HERE :

https://xdaforums.com/android-auto/mtcb-hardware-development/mtcb-c-d-2gb-ram-buy-2-t3512366

For questions, answers, impressions after fitting the extra 1GB and general 2GB RAM discussion, please see this thread :

https://xdaforums.com/android-auto/...b-c-2gb-ram-users-thread-impressions-t3533108

[MENTION=6041319]dsa8310[/MENTION] has cleverly managed to source compatible 2x1GB RAM chips and have them fitted !!

See this post in the "Lollipop for MTCB/C Headunits" thread :

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=69204349&postcount=1620

If anyone is interested in being involved in a group buy please post here.

Each 1GB RAM module is $18, shipping to the UK is $49, the idea is to get as many people as possible to reduce the shipping price to the UK, so for example, 10 people will reduce shipping to $4.9 each, for a total of $40.9.

I would then send 2 modules to each individual so shipping from the UK would then be added on top, for Europe I can send for about $7.3, so that means 2GB RAM for $47.2, the US or Australia may be a little more, but it will still be far cheaper than buying individually.

Post if you are in, you will need to be able to solder the BGA yourself or get an expert to do it for you, so you may want to get a price for the work.

List of interested people :

Took part and paid :

[MENTION=456516]typos1[/MENTION] UK PAID

[MENTION=6716253]Oberbergler[/MENTION] Italy PAID

[MENTION=3650299]tipouce[/MENTION] France PAID

[MENTION=7011404]Jaihoidundso[/MENTION] Germany PAID

[MENTION=383136]buccaneerbob[/MENTION] New Zealand PAID

[MENTION=2022603]pczao[/MENTION] Brazil PAID*

[MENTION=4974080]marchnz[/MENTION] NZ PAID

[MENTION=1249599]zorantoma[/MENTION] Slovenia PAID

[MENTION=5452578]bsavoir22[/MENTION] US PAID

[MENTION=2322651]jakejm79[/MENTION] US PAID

[MENTION=1187946]nuovagrafica[/MENTION] Italy PAID

[MENTION=2251201]SecretV[/MENTION] US PAID

[MENTION=5162717]nixfu[/MENTION] US PAID

Did not take part in the end, may take part in any further group buy ? :

[MENTION=226436]psxsnake[/MENTION] Italy

[MENTION=1415699]pcmender2005[/MENTION] UK

[MENTION=2434950]jmphillips76[/MENTION] US

[MENTION=7832972]xenodk[/MENTION] Denmark

[MENTION=1291659]capu81[/MENTION] Italy

[MENTION=7674440]mouscolo[/MENTION] Saudi

[MENTION=6005745]ptclabs[/MENTION] Japan

[MENTION=1990020]dcplaya[/MENTION] US

[MENTION=7854855]ViperXL[/MENTION] Romania

[MENTION=5248670]PAPPAFRITAS[/MENTION] Spain

[MENTION=4241790]Mucho79[/MENTION]
[MTCB Hardware Development] mouscolo:
wow, how much that will cost? and is it really gonna feel faster for 5.1?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Check the link I posted for more details.
[MTCB Hardware Development] marchnz:
Do we have details of the MTCD RAM chips and equivalent 2gb? I couldnt see that from the posts - also do we know if these are equivalents for MTCD?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
No, this is just for MTCB/C. I would speak to other MTCD owners about RAM for those units.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Oberbergler:
I asked Felix for a better shipping price. When he writes back, I will tell you if I join your order.

Maybe if more people join, Felix can make us also a better price for the ram chips.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Ok, yes ask for 3 sets - [MENTION=6385863]CARRisma[/MENTION] wants some as well and as they are so light weight I do not think the postage would be any different if you bought 3 sets.
[MTCB Hardware Development] tipouce:
Hi,

I'm interested too. So you can add me for a futur order

For information, i'm from France and i have a MTCC KLD6 (no branded)

Thanks.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Cool, the more the, merrier.

Your unit IS branded, its a Klyde, that is the brand and the manufacture. :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] buccaneerbob:
I'm interested to go in with anyone from NZ.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
The idea was myself or [MENTION=6716253]Oberbergler[/MENTION] buys from the German importer and then distributes them amongst everyone wherever in the world they are. I m happy to get a price for UK to New Zealand postage, I dont think it will be much more. I think it may be a while before you get enough people together who are all in NZ.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Oberbergler:
Felix wrote back that IM could ship with DHL, UPS or FedEx. FedEx will cost 49 USD, for the other couriers i have no info.

If now so many people join the order I am also in :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] marchnz:
Hi, I would go in with you - just need to identify if the RAM are equivalents for MTCD. Some homework over the next few nights.
[MTCB Hardware Development] psxsnake:
Other from north Italy?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Great, I will add a list of people interested to the first post.

There is not SoM in MTCD units, AFAIK its all mounted directly to the MB. Its easy to establish the RAM type - just look at a photo, I ve seen one in the MTCD forums.
[MTCB Hardware Development] jonsfield:
Looks like I'm the only one in South Africa. I've got 2 head units so I've ordered 4pcs from Hong Kong. Felix is delivering to a friend of mine in China for USD15 and he'll send it to me for free. I know postage from Europe to SA is expensive anyway so this seamed like my best option. I'll post in the original forum when it arrives and my installation experience...
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Ok thanks.
[MTCB Hardware Development] jmphillips76:
I am interested U.S.

I apologize in advance for whichever presidential candidate gets elected..... just say'n lmao
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Cool.
[MTCB Hardware Development] ViperXL:
Sure, where are you from ? Want one set ?
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
uk, yes one set please.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Re-read my post, I didnt put you on the second list :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] Jaihoidundso:
What now? Send you adress or what?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
If you like, I ll be wrapping them and taking each parcel to the post office for an exact price, ,then posting the price here.
[MTCB Hardware Development] ptclabs:
please add me to this and I need 2 sets mtcb/mtcd thanks
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Youre already added to the list on the first page, the list in your quote is the first group buy, not the second one.
[MTCB Hardware Development] bsavoir22:
My bad, misread the post from someone else who quoted you.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
No probs. :)

Can everyone send me their address ? Probably better that I have all the parcels addressed when I take them to the post office.
[MTCB Hardware Development] bsavoir22:
Pm sent
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Ta, I ll try and get them wrapped and postage prices tomorrow.
[MTCB Hardware Development] nuovagrafica:
:good:
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Sorry for what ? ! :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] nixfu:
Probably as thank you and for doing a good job.
[MTCB Hardware Development] ViperXL:
I am planning on sending out email on Friday, or shall we wait for more people ? I will send out emails asking for shipping to Romania.
[MTCB Hardware Development] oskaratk:
I'd take 3 sets for a MTCC unit, shipping to US

Thanks

Oskar
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Right, I have a day off today so I ll finally be packaging them all and taking them to the post office.

Yeah, hes edited it to a thumbs up.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
OK, just spent the last 3 hours wrapping and addressing them all !!

Going to post office now to get exact shipping prices . . .
[MTCB Hardware Development] oskaratk:
I am having trouble with the link on the first page :(

See this post in the "Lollipop for MTCB/C Headunits" thread :

http://xdaforums.com/show...postcount=1620

takes me to http://xdaforums.com/other-special/trash
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Thats cos [MENTION=6041319]dsa8310[/MENTION] has removed his posts, hes added one about RAM in this thread here :

http://xdaforums.com/android-auto/m...ctober-2016-firmware-mtcb-mtcc-units-t3495001
[MTCB Hardware Development] nuovagrafica:
What about the post office?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Give me chance - I ve literally just got back from there !!

[MENTION=6716253]Oberbergler[/MENTION], [MENTION=3650299]tipouce[/MENTION], [MENTION=7011404]Jaihoidundso[/MENTION], [MENTION=383136]buccaneerbob[/MENTION], [MENTION=4974080]marchnz[/MENTION], [MENTION=1249599]zorantoma[/MENTION], [MENTION=5452578]bsavoir22[/MENTION], [MENTION=2322651]jakejm79[/MENTION], [MENTION=1187946]nuovagrafica[/MENTION] [MENTION=2251201]SecretV[/MENTION] and [MENTION=5162717]nixfu[/MENTION]

Exact prices are as follows :

USA £8.35

France/Italy/Germany/Slovenia £7.75

New Zealand £8.55

Hope thats ok with everyone ?

I NEED THIS PAYMENT IN GBP PLEASE !
[MTCB Hardware Development] nuovagrafica:
well I have paid thank you for your kindness I hope to receive it before Christmas! how many days do you think it will take?
[MTCB Hardware Development] oskaratk:
as I obviously missed the first group buy and do quickly need to upgrade 3 HU's, I went ahead and ordered 30 chips. Don't get me wrong - that is not meant to compete with anyone.

I will be happy to sell the overstock at cost, however shipping to the US only. Cost likely will be around USD 22/chip plus domestic shipping

Oskar
[MTCB Hardware Development] Oberbergler:
Paid. Hope that it will be shipped quickly to Italy :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] tipouce:
For me it's ok.

Paid .
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Thanks, no probs. I cant see chipping from the UK to Italy taking any more than 2 weeks at the absolsute maximum, so pretty sure you ll get them by Xmas !!

Ok, let me know when you sell to someone who is on the second list and I ll remove them from that list.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
GBP please ! :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] Oberbergler:
Yes, sorry I haven`t read your full post :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
You did, I edited it and put the GBP bit in after you read it :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] Jaihoidundso:
money sent
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Thanks
[MTCB Hardware Development] zorantoma:
Paid shipping to Slovenia :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Cool !
[MTCB Hardware Development] jakejm79:
Just paid.
[MTCB Hardware Development] marchnz:
Payment Sent. Please let me know when sent and tracking number.

Kind regards,

Marc
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Ta, I ll let everyone know when theyre sent.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
So, just [MENTION=5452578]bsavoir22[/MENTION] and [MENTION=383136]buccaneerbob[/MENTION] left to pay shipping . . .
[MTCB Hardware Development] nuovagrafica:
Send them a pm
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
OK, was just going to post them all out (to everyone whos paid), but thought I d give FedEx a quick call to double check theres no duty, good job I phoned them - there isnt . . . but there is VAT to pay of £94 GBP (£82 + FedEx's handling charge), not happy. :(

This works out at £6.71 per set of 2 modules, which doesnt sound as bad as £94, but means in total we re paying $58 (approx) per set and before we were looking at $50 per set (approx).
[MTCB Hardware Development] nuovagrafica:
excuse me for my bad english... do you need other money? if yes how much for each of us?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Yes, £6.71 for VAT.
[MTCB Hardware Development] nixfu:
Pardon my Yankee ignorance, but are we not except from the VAT? I thought that was only for goods that stay in the UK?

Just asking, but I am sending you the fourteen pounds(for two sets) anyway...
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Hmm, interesting question, I m not sure, I m not a VAT registered business so I cant claim VAT back, you can if you are.

Feel free to google it, anything to make it cheaper for everyone, that was the whole point of this exercise.

EDIT: I ve googled it :

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-imports-acquisitions-and-purchases-from-abroad

it seems not if youre not VAT registered, at least thats my interpretation.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
[MENTION=2022603]pczao[/MENTION] could not do a personal payment using paypal from Brazil, so I bought a set for him and he was going to pay me another way.

But hes now decided not to buy them, so theres a spare set if anyone wants them.
[MTCB Hardware Development] pczao:
It was not my decision. I really want the 2GB RAM, but seems

like sending money from Brazil to UK using MoneyGram, Western Union or any other methods than Paypal is way to expensive and bureaucratic.

Really don't understand why you accepted Paypal goods payment once from another user and not by me. But it's you decision and I respect you. And you told me you bought another set by mistake, it was never specific for me. Don't make me the bad guy, please.
[MTCB Hardware Development] oskaratk:
I am importing from Europe quite often.

Only when you are BUSINESS outside Europe - then the export is without VAT. If you are a private person, then need to support the Eurozone ... aka pay the VAT

Oskar
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
I wasnt having a go at you, I understand all the payment problems you had, I wasnt trying to make you out as a bad guy :)

I didnt accept ANY goods payments from anyone though - I refunded the one I received by that method.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Ok thanks, but the UK government gets the VAT, not the EU or the Eurozone.
[MTCB Hardware Development] oskaratk:
>>

Ok thanks, but the UK government gets the VAT, not the EU or the Eurozone.

<<

are you sure ? The UK government still has to sent money into the European pot :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
Hey, I'm interested in 2 chips, order has to go to Germany.
[MTCB Hardware Development] bsavoir22:
Payment sent
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Yeah, but pretty sure we had VAT before we joined, each member state sets their own VAT level and I dont think VAT specifically is levied to pay our EU fees.

Eurozone refers to countries who have the Euro.
[MTCB Hardware Development] nuovagrafica:
I have payed £ 6.71 for vat, who still must pay, when do you think to send the shipment?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Thanks, I m literally sitting at my pc trying to work out everyone who has paid the VAT so I can take their parcels to the post office.
[MTCB Hardware Development] zorantoma:
VAT payemend send.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
I ve sent them all out apart from [MENTION=1249599]zorantoma[/MENTION] (see below), [MENTION=4974080]marchnz[/MENTION], [MENTION=5452578]bsavoir22[/MENTION] and [MENTION=7011404]Jaihoidundso[/MENTION] - still waiting for the VAT payment guys . . .

BTW when I get the paperwork I ll post pics of the VAT invoice.

Thanks I ll send it Monday.
[MTCB Hardware Development] ludester:
whats the part number for this ram chip?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Dunno offhand but the part numbers for both chip types have been mentioned several times in this thread . . .
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
If you read the thread your ll also see that one person cannot buy it any more so theres one set ready to be shipped out to anyone who wants it . . .
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
Can I take them??
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Sure.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
Hey, it was me who asked you first ...that's not nice

Gesendet von meinem ASUS_Z016D mit Tapatalk
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
You didnt ask me - you said you wanted 2 chips in a post to no one in particular and I m afraid I didnt notice it, [MENTION=4749043]wernus24[/MENTION] quoted my post that said that said someone else had pulled out so there was a set available. I ve added you to the list for a second group buy.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
Ok, thank you!

Gesendet von meinem ASUS_Z016D mit Tapatalk
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
You wouldnt be asking me that if youd read the thread anyway, due to what someone else said only a few pages back. :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
Sorry Mucho79 but I was sign up on waiting list before you anyway.
[MTCB Hardware Development] marchnz:
Hi, Payment Sent
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Thanks, I ll sent it tamoz.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
I managed to buy two IM8G16D3FBBG-125 Chips on my own in Germany. The seller for Germany mentioned on the IM website sells those chips.

I payed 60 Euros shipping with UPS. 25 Euro each chip and 10 Euros for shipping with trackingnumber.

The seller told me, the D3F can handle both 1,35V and 1,5V, the D3E only handles 1,5V.

So I ordered the D3F.

Without the "I" at the end, because they are not available at the moment.

The chips work from 0°/+95°C and not like the "I" from -40°C, but some people here used the 15E, also working from 0°/+95°C... So I don't think it will be a problem, lowest temps here where I am living are at -5°C.

Now I need to find someone who can solder those chips. Never done so small soldering.

Any German here from NRW who can solder those chips.

Gesendet von meinem ASUS_Z016D mit Tapatalk
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
No, the shipping problem is NOT solved - he paid $60 for 2 chips, the rest of us paid $60 for 14 chips !!

He will likely also have to pay VAT on them when they arrive in his country.

This is mad as one person already said 3 pages ago that they had bought 20 chips some spare !!!!

What ?? !! We all paid $18 per chip !!

Why didnt you just read the thread and get them from the other guy in Germany who has them ?
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
VAT is already included. Its ok for me paying 25 Euro for one chip. Paid today and the chips will be shipped tomorrow. The seller ships from Germany, so I hopefully get them in two days.

7 Euros is the cheapest shipping in Germany with DHL and insurance. I am having no problem paying 10 Euros for shipping with UPS. I am not looking for the cheapest price, just wanted those chips as fast as possible because using my Pumpkin 10.1 with 1GB Ram is really annoying me. I already found a guy that is repairing electronics professionally, I've sent him the foto dsa8310 posted and he told me he is doing SMD soldering and I should come around., Hopefully he knows how to solder BGAs.

Haven't seen the post of the guy from Germany having chips for sale.

Gesendet von meinem ASUS_Z016D mit Tapatalk
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
I would recommend to all of you to pay extra and get those memory chips fitted by professional service with BGA machine. I can see from pics that new memory is slightly bigger than footprint on the PCB and it will be very difficult to align properly new chips without proper optics. It is also very easy to overheat PCB with hot air gun which leads to board delamination or damaged pads.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
You said in your previous post :

"I payed 60 Euros shipping with UPS. 25 Euro each chip and 10 Euros for shipping with trackingnumber", thats 70 Eiros !! If you only paid 10 Euros thats good, 70 is not !!

EDIT: Ah you meant you paid 60 Euros in total !! I see now. I emailed the German dealer twice, but never got a response, it would have surely been cheaper for the group buy if they had responded.

[MENTION=6041319]dsa8310[/MENTION] seemed to think that alignment would be ok and from the pics and my chips I think it will be the easy part, the hard bit will be soldering without a BGA machine !!
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
Oh sorry, yes I paid 60 Euros in total. 2x 25 Euro for the chips and 10 Euro for shipping.

The dealer is called Memphis Electronic AG, is this the dealer you contacted?

Yesterday I wrote the email, he really replied very fast.

Tomorrow I am going call a shop that repairs notebooks and ask them if they have a BGA machine. I think doing this by hand is to much risk. But befor thinking about the soldering, I have to think about how to disassemble the radio.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
I think so, it was the only European dealer on the Intelligent memory list and it was in Germany.

Dismantling the stereo is easy, dont worry.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Youre making the assumption that the SoM producers have decided to buy chips from Intelligent Memory, there is nothing to assume that they have done so - no RK3188 2GB RAM MTCB/C units are available as yet. Seeing as devices with the octacore PX5 chip and 2GB RAM are already available it does not seem very likely that they will bother making RK3188 units available with 2GB RAM.
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Right, you wait until 14 of us have done a group buy and then declare we should have all bought it individually, thanks for that.

No one has got their chips yet - the first person will get theirs tomorrow, they chips were wrapped in their original packaging cut down to size.

Anyway, in the group buy we all paid approx $59/55 Euro so it was cheaper than buying from the German dealer even though we paid the UK VAT.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
Got my chips today.

Also managed to find a company that solders those chips. Another guy said the chips are so small, he solders GPUs and CPUs and is afraid doing so small chips because the can be easily blown away while soldering.

Gesendet von meinem ASUS_Z016D mit Tapatalk
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
Job done, i will test it today evening when I get back home :fingers-crossed:
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
PCB looks like mine.

How much did you pay for soldering ?

Where do you come from?
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
ALL the SoMs are exactly the same for all units !! The lucky guy has a machine at work.

Cool.
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
So mine will take about one week. He said first he is going to look over the pcb, searching for cracks and stuff like that. Then he will make an temp profile for the pcb, if the temp for soldering will be to high for the pcb, he will reball the chips in order to lower the temp or he won't do the soldering. He is soldering with infrared ...he has an Ersa 550 PL with optics and stuff like that.

Gesendet von meinem ASUS_Z016D mit Tapatalk
[MTCB Hardware Development] marchnz:
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsa8310

Anyway, the Memphis AG breakthrough is most welcome because procuring stuff should be done from producers/dealers that are accountable, and not particular individuals, however well intended they may be. It was a risky business. I am glad it is over, and so far no harm was done/reported (repackaging such chips is delicate).

---------

We are all thankful for the initial findings.......

Dont feed the troll :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Lol, Lmao
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
Sounds like lot of bollocks, he is just lazy....

Btw, mission success ;) thank you Typos1 and dsa8310 :highfive:
[MTCB Hardware Development] typos1:
Cool ! ! :)
[MTCB Hardware Development] Mucho79:
Grats!

If the guy won't solder my PCB, is there way you could solder my PCB for me?
[MTCB Hardware Development] marchnz:
Good work. Are you able to give a summary of the unit performance with 2gb RAM?
[MTCB Hardware Development] wernus24:
Sorry but I have asked my manager at work and he allowed me to bring only my PCB to work (I'm not allowed to do any private repairs at home by my work contract and especially bringing them to work place)

True is that this android module PCB is way tougher(do not delaminate easily) than i expected (thick board) and person with experience in bga replacement shouldn't have any issues to replace those mems just with

under board heater

and hot air gun (using only hot air gun is way more risky) although alignment may be a bit tricky .

I haven't fit radio to my car yet to do a proper test but I've tested couple times Google maps as this was my main reason for upgrade and it is opening almost instantly which make me already satisfied! ( I'm using Malaysk ROMs Lollipop 5.1 )
[MTCB Hardware Development] davidgotmilk:
Has anyone tried installing it themselves? I have been following this thread and super interested, but I have no electronic shops around me that can do it. May have to go out of town to get it done