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[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Sure you do:

http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/v20/promo/unlocked

Click on the fine print that reads :

For B&O earphones offer click here

It'll list all 5 major carriers & the 4 retailers (Amazon/Best Buy B&H Photo/Newegg)
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] rodriguez236:
The estimated availability now says end of november on B&H.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
I'm pretty confident with Amazon returns. Too bad Costco doesn't offer it I know for a fact they will take just about anything back. I purchased a Dell XPS 15 from them online. I got it, opened it and even set it up.Then I decided I wanted the 9550 touch, so I did factory reset and took it to my local store. I was a little worried they would give me a hard time because it was pretty expensive. They didn't even ask why I was returning it. For some reason, they couldn't process the return on the card I had used so I walked out with an envelope full of cash!!:laugh:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Funk2641:
ridiculous.

It's on LG site too:

http://www.lg.com/us/unlocked-phones
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
thanks guys! my order was canceled with b&h. end of Nov is still the 25th which is when new egg said the silver would be available, so I've been waiting until then anyway. I'm going to pre-order on Amazon tomorrow probably with my card that had the extended warranty. too bad Amazon isn't giving any freebies like that little tablet... then again from everything I saw that tablet was awful, and I use my Galaxy tab s 8.4 anyway lol so I'm not too beat up over it.. but i am over the fact I need to spend 55 dollars on tax! sales tax should be illegal. ?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
You can now preorder the US996 Unlocked directly on the LG site, same price of $799:

https://usstore.lg.com/store?Action=buy&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=lgus&productID=5078391000&quantity=1

But there is a 14 day return widow.

I'm still wondering if the US996 Unlocked is the same as the one sold by US Cellular, since they both have the US996 model number, but there is no designation that theirs is unlocked, but is $699.

https://www.uscellular.com/devices/phones/LG-V20.html?productId=prod7890145

There is also a PDF manual for the US996:

http://www.lg.com/us/support-mobile/lg-LGUS996
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
hmm interesting question. I was wondering the same about us cellular. only thing I worry about is if you get us cellular version, it's carrier branded with software and a potentially locked bootloader ya know? because I remember somewhere they listed the us996 unlocked and us996 us cellular version as if it were two separate phones.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
Yes, when you go to the LG site and do a search for V20 and all the models are listed, it does show US996 US Cellular and US996 Unlocked. So iIam thinking it is two different models, but I did send an email to LG to ask.

It is too bad the unlocked one isn't sold by Best Buy since they have that $200 trade in going on.

At this point, since Amazon, BH, and Newegg are all selling the Unlocked model for $799, the only real difference is the tax (only Amazon), better return policy (Amazon), and free tablet (BH and Newegg).

I also noticed the free B&O Headphones promo ends a few days before Black Friday. So that makes me wonder if there will be some new (or better) promo then...maybe a price drop?

One other thing, it appears that some of the Carrier models are missing a few LG apps, features or settings. I would think the Unlocked model would come with all the LG apps and settings, minus the added carrier apps.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] papashex:
I put in a preorder with B&H on the first day (10/19). Order status still says "processing". Meanwhile , availability of unit in B&H listing now reads "End of November". I have been trying to contact their customer service this week (to cancel if this truly is the case), but am getting no response. Losing faith in this one.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
I just got a response from them confirming the headphone promo and LG also confirmed.

you have until December 9 to do the headphone promo. idk why they say November 20th but yeah, you have until Dec 9.

either way, i cancelled my b&h order and I'll be placing through amazon and paying tax unfortunately.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
LG responded back and said the US Cellular US996 is carrier locked. The only V20 model that isn't is the US996 Unlocked version.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] papashex:
Checked out the previous LG direct link, shipping mid November.

Checked out the Amazon stores, out of stock (probably till mid November).

So B&H claims for end of November are right in line (unfortunately). Guess I'll be waiting it out just to get a carrier bloat free and (possibly) unlocked device.

Maybe the free tablet portion will at least arrive early.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
I've been seeing good things going on over here

http://xdaforums.com/v20/development/lg-v20-tmobile-variant-stock-tot-t3484982

I'm sure you guys have been keeping up on this too! I imagine all the great work over there could mean good things for the US996 on Verizon (assuming things work out with the network)?? Unfortunately, I just realized I don't know sh** about LG!! I'm coming from samsung. I have been able follow the advice of others up to this point to use ogdin and TWRP pretty efficiently, but I have a feeling that I may run into some trouble with this device. I do have some experience with robot C, I've got a dual boot setup with Ubuntu on my XPS and I've got some experience with SDK tools so I'm not completely helpless, but I'm used to being able to fix my f ups by flashing back to stock with ogdin. Seems like I will have to be more careful with the V20 (easier to soft/hard brick?). I'm thinking about starting a thread for people such as myself who are in need of some guidance. I'm thinking that I can start looking around for resources that may help me make the transition.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
the us996 SHOULD theoretically work on verizon, just nobody has had a chance to try.

it has all the same identical bands the verizon VS995 has, plus some. i'd say that the only thing we may have issues wtih are HD calling (if that's a software thing). if it's a network thing, then we'd be ok i'm sure.

the only other thing i remember with my Moto X Pure was i had to go into phone settings and change a setting to enable data while on the phone.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
Actually, I got two different answers.

From LG:

"the US996 (unlocked) posted on our site is just a suggested price and it is different from the US996 US Cellular variant as the US Cellular model the locked version. "

From US Cellular:

" we are selling the US996 Unlocked model of the LG V20, same as the one on the LG website."

So who to believe?

Even if the US Cellular one was the Unlocked model, since they are not in FL, I don't know if they could just sell the phone outright without being a current customer.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
technically the unlocked and us cellular version are both on lgs site lol
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
Yes, but LG is saying the US Cellular US996 version is Locked.

But US Cellular is saying it is Unlocked.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
I have one on order that I will use on Verizon. But I am also keeping my eye on the Huawei Mate 9.

Cheers
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jal3223:
Will the Mate 9 also work on Verizon?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
The pre-release specs say it will. We will find out for sure on November 3rd.

Cheers
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
Which site did you end up ordering the US996 from, as I wasn't sure which would be the best one with return policy. I am also interested in the Mate 9, but looks like it may be pushing $1000.

---------- Post added at 10:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:32 PM ----------

The web site for the LG Promo says " Offer valid on purchases through 11/20/2016. *Must redeem by 12/9/2016."

So who from LG it is for purchases through Dec 9?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] basicmods:
Is there any way to easily check if the phone is locked without hooking it to a computer? I can maybe swing by a US Cell store tomorrow and look at a unit to see if it's unlocked.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
uh oh, appears it's not listed on Amazon anymore, and it says they don't know when or IF the item will be in stock.

currently on with chat to make sure my preorder is still valid.

wtf. they're saying December 12th now. SERIOUSLY?!

"Thank you for confirming.

Upon checking on the item, I can see here that the item will be available on December 12, 2016.

So nothing to worry, you will be able to receive your item."

what is this crap?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
Any more ideas on where to get this device?

Strange that it's not available on Amazon now. Should've ordered when I had the chance...damn!!! B&H is a no go for me because of restock fee. Newegg website says no refunds, only returns. Link on page 4 of this thread to LG's site says currently unavailable.....What the H!!!!!:(

I did see a Titan US996 on ebay, but I was hoping for silver.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
I ordered from B&H.

Cheers
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
I messaged Amazon again because this is days after the deadline for headphones so I asked them wtf. the guy said he made a note in his system to follow up with the carrier to get it to me on the 9th the latest, so that I can redeem the deal.. who knows if he has that authority or if he's trying to please me.. I'm a prime member, but i chose the 4 dollar overnight shipping and he took that charge off as a gesture of courtesy so that was really nice. I asked what if he can't get it to me in the 9th..he said pretty much the 12th is a place holder kind of date and maybe it'll be here earlier, who knows. they don't seem to know. but he said check by November 15 to see if there's a release date. he said if it's still past the 9th to message them again and see what they can do. this is why I wanted to buy with Amazon... good service on top of a return policy that's great... he also said if there's an issue, and I want a replacement phone, they'll ship the new one out and I return mine after I get the new one. that's awesome.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
it's funny too bc you were able to buy titan direct from LG days ago and now you can't. I wonder if they're having production issues.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
This is weird. The carrier models are out, so why is there such a delay on the Unlocked model. According the the FCC RF Exposure, the VS995 and US996 have exactly the same bands. So I would think the only difference is the firmware software on them.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
Definitely seems like something is up with the delay. IDK, maybe I'll have to reconsider B&H if I can't get it from Amazon. I'm really hoping to get this thing up and running on Verizon.....with root....fingers crossed!!!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
yeah it's weird. hey maybe they're making a new batch of camera glass that's stronger ;)

lol but for real, maybe it's bc they want them to sell on carriers first before unlocked. like, the s7 unlocked came out MONTHS later when it was an afterthought. atleast this is just a month later pretty much. they prob have some sort of deal who knows.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
I woukd still think it is easier and less expensive to just make 1 model with all the bands and unlocked, similar to the Moto X Pure Edition. That way you just make one version that works on any network instead of half a dozen models.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] redshorty4:
I reached out to LG support and they have "confirmed" that the US996 (unlocked) will have the ability to unlock the bootloader. Now it's a matter of actually getting it...eventually...
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
neat. plus we already have root apparently. that's pretty cool.

i got a notification from amazon app in my bar today saying "we're sorry LG V20 is out of stock now" and i click it and it gives suggested cases and stuff....i hope nothing has changed with it lol i hope they still carry it.

i'm just worried we're gonna get screwed over wtih the headphones and not get them due to availability or something.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Namolas:
Any updates on this?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
nope. my order is still placed on amazon, but still outta stock. if someone has time when LG has chat hours, they should go ask when amazon will start stocking it, and what happens if we don't get it until after the headphone promo. see what LG's stance on it is.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
ok didn't realize chat was still open so i went on.

their response was call the promotions department to see if they can 'reserve' a set for you.

we do apologized but for the promotion since you already pre order the device you can contact our promotion team if they can reserved the headphone for you

: in order to do that, you need the IMEI of the phone though, and I can't submit anything until I get the phone.

Macver: we have set up a third party department

: how can i get in touch wtih them>

Macver: that handles the promotion

Macver: yes you can contact our promotion department at this no. 888-655-4246.

lets see
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Namolas:
I'm getting pretty tired of begging to buy one of these unlocked. They make it impossible for people that are ready and willing to be customers.

I stopped at the ATT store today just cause I was hoping to see a display model in person. They didn't have a display model yet but they actually had 3 titan and 1 silver in stock ready to go home with me.... It was really hard walking away from them but I really don't want to deal with a carrier branded v20.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
same. I can just goto Verizon and get a silver one, but god knows nobody wants an actual Verizon phone lol. plus the fact the one has been rooted already, we know the unlocked will be too... and verizon won't lol
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] greyhulk:
I've been debating this for days. I know I want the phone, but I'm torn between buying the unlocked version from Newegg or just going into AT&T and grabbing one. I don't want to wait for the Unlocked model to ship, but I loath AT&T's bloatware, delayed software updates, and locked bootloaders. On the other hand, i can return it back to an AT&T store within 14 days if I don't like it. If I buy it from Newegg, I'm stuck with it. It's also about $100 cheaper on Newegg, since AT&T jacks up the price and then there's tax.

What is a smartphone addict to do?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Funk2641:
One more week till newegg ships. We can make it!

Especially if you remind yourself about how awful carrier phones are. Just can't do the bloatware and 'branded' nature of them.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] greyhulk:
I'm totally with you. I think my biggest hang up is actually the return process. I can take it back to AT&T within 14 days if I'm unhappy (or get it replaced if it's defective). With Newegg, I'm screwed. You can't return unlocked smartphones to them.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
reading about the cracking camera glass and all these people with blown speakers makes me second guess buying this damn phone.

oh well. i won't get mine until december bc i went with silver on amazon, so maybe they'll do a hardware revision in the meantime to fix these issues. doubt it, but one can hope.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Namolas:
The unlocked variant is now available for pre-order on LG's website for anybody interested. Shipping mid-November. 14 day return policy.

http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US996-Unlocked-v20-titan
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] azumandias:
Try http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US996-Unlocked-v20-titan

Looks like it is only available for Titan. Silver still has no pre-order link.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] greyhulk:
Bah. LG is charging me tax where Newegg does not.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
yeah they had pre-order available for the titan a while ago, then they shut it down, and now it's back. silver has never been available for pre-order. dumb.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
I posted this question on B&H:

I see that this device should work on Verizon and can be added to my account. If it is not fully functional with Verizon for some reason can I return the device for a full refund?

The staff responded with this:

This should have no problems working with Verizon. Our return policy is; if, for whatever reason, you are dissatisfied with your purchase, you can return it to B&H within 30 days of purchase. As we are now in the holiday season mode, this time frame has been extended till 01/31/17. Please check and make sure that you would want to keep it, before you discard any of the packaging, as it would be needed for the return.

So I went ahead and preordered it. I'll definitely have to pick up a case to protect that stupid camera glass! Someone had mentioned that the V10 had the same problem, but supposedly replacements were available for that device that were easy to install?? Idk what's up with the speaker issue though........
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Namolas:
Its nice to know they have extended holiday returns but I would be a little more concerned with how much the restocking fee is. Did they mention that?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
Yeah that response is somewhat ambiguous. I didn't think I could be any more direct...I asked if I can return it for a full refund and they respond with sure you can return it....Now you've got me wondering. Guess I'll have to ask about the damn restock fee too. I already ordered once and cancelled. I missed out on Amazon, Newegg is a no go and I really don't want to get stuck with Verizon's BS. So here I am....
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Namolas:
Yep. I think that how's we both ended up here... :(

Let me know if you find anything out.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
LOL. Will do. It took a couple days to get a response on that question, but they did respond. I'll see what else I can come up with.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] mingkee:
How come US996 does not have HSPA?!

Moreover, can this version bootloader unlocked and rooted?

Does it have Wi-Fi Calling and VoLTE?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
So I called B&H customer service. They said that I can return the phone if I am not happy. If I return it within 30 days (with the original packaging) there is no restock fee. All I pay is the return shipping cost. I also asked if they had any update on expected availability and they said they are expecting it around the 28th of this month. So we'll see what happens....
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
is anyone else second guessing this phone now with all the reports of the speaker crackling issue? seems pretty widespread. more so than the glass camera breaking.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Namolas:
Yeah. Haven't decided which direction I'm going yet but I've decided I'm going to pass on LG this time. Best wishes to everybody in the thread though.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] mattnin:
I'd second guess getting the first batch of any new phone. Seems to me to be a widespread problem, they must certainly do a revision and fix the problem right? I plan on getting the v20 sometime early next year. Hopefully the problem will be resolved by then! In my opinion, the v20 is the best phone!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Rhea Silvia Numa:
Do you think it would be beneficial to get a Square Trade warranty then? I'm keeping my preorder with B&H and I'm a tad concerned on the the issues that might arise, new and infamous LG ones. Would the LG limited warranty cover any of the issues some have been having on here? Cause I've seen some posts where people first went to LG and they then told them to go to their carrier (I'm not on any of the major carriers btw)
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
Yeah the speaker thing is definitely making me nervous!! What other device would you conciser? I really don't like the fact that the pixel is sealed, no expandable storage, and it doesn't even look that great to me. One the other hand, it does have root. How the hell do you come out with a phone marketed toward audiophiles and put a second rate speaker in the device:confused:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
none, that's the problem. I don't want pixel bc im not spending almost a grand for 128 built in storage with NO expandable, and we all know theres camera issues with the pixel too. sure it may be fast as hell, but it's ugly, the bezels look like it's from 2010 and overall I'm not interested in it. there's nothing else good out now besides the v20. I've got an s7 and I'm just so bored of samsung and sick of the touchwiz lag. I want something fast again.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sequence2469:
Yeah my S5 looks better than the pixel! I've been trying to find more information about the speaker issue, but as of right now all I come across is the one thread here on xda. It seems like if it is a universal hardware/software issue it would be blowing up all over on places like android authority or tech times. Seems like there are way more people who are happy with the device. There is an article called "shattergate" that brings up the camera glass issue, but it isn't very conclusive in my opinion.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
so i asked LG about the deal with headphones and some retailers not shipping until december:

Hello,

We would need a copy of the receipt and the IMEI number before December 9th to qualify. You can contact Amazon and see what they can do. The promotion ends December 9th, and we have no way to extend it beyond that date.

Thank you for choosing the LG V20.

LG V20 Launch Promotion Support Team

email: support@lgv20launchpromo.com

LG Electronics, Inc.

i'm like, really?

so this was my response:

so you're basically telling me that because LG can't supply retailers with an adequate batch or even give a proper release date, customers are being screwed out of getting a promotion that is a big selling point for this phone? that makes absolutely no sense.

can't wait to read their reply. took them 7 days to get back to me too. pathetic.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
oh snap, amazon customer service just gave me a date of monday nov 28th. said i'll have it on or by the 28th! sweet.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dbrown1414:
B&H is showing in stock. My status shows sent to warehouse. Soon! :D
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
nice nice, yeah B&H has the titan in stock. no silver still. don't know why it's taking LG so long to make the silver unlocked version. dumb.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] greyhulk:
Canceled my Newegg preorder and ordered from B&H with overnight delivery. Should have it tomorrow.

At least B&H has a return policy.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] wtharp2:
US996 From NewEgg

Has anyone received a status update from NewEgg on their preorder?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] greyhulk:
Looks like it got pushed to 11/15. Really glad I canceled and went with B&H now.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] redshorty4:
Amazon has it in stock (Titan grey) as of about midnight. 2 day prime shipping available. Got a delivery date update just shortly after midnight that I'll receive my preorder Wednesday. Weirdly enough if I try and buy another one it says it'll arrive earlier on Tuesday.... Either way really hoping the bootloader is unlockable out of the gate and that the same root method for the TMO version works on this. If not, it is getting returned.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
hmm. do I want it ASAP enough to switch to titan or wait for silver...lol not sure. I've got my silver on order with Amazon with no update yet except chat who said I could have it by the 28th. best buy listed the unlocked version for like 10 min this morning, sold out, but didn't say it was us996 and only said it worked with GSM. now it's gone.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
also, if i goto order it now, I'll have it Sunday. are you prime? I am.