[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
That's because when people have discussions, this is how it works - back and forth. ;)

I've never said this, never hinted, implied, or alluded to it. What I said was that if a device happens to be on fire, it's logical to conclude that - since fire is quite hot by and of its own nature - it's also overheated. If a device happens to combust because it's too overheated it can eventually catch on fire. If it happens to explode because the battery inside the device has a thermal runaway cascade failure then - yep, you guessed it - that too is overheated.

In other words, the term "overheated" is a term that can be used to describe any of those particular conditions so it's easier to say a device may potentially overheat which could be the catalyst for fire/combustion/explosion.

Also, by definition combustion does not mean fire, it means burning or a chemical reaction to produce heat or light. You can have an item combust and still not actually catch on fire, hence me deciding to clarify this particular use of the word combustion as well as fire since they are two very different things. Combustion can lead to a condition where fire is created, of course.

I didn't say I could prove it, I said that there's been (quite a few) more than 150 incidents worldwide but Samsung isn't going to keep telling the public a number since they've issued the global recall - once that 2nd recall went into effect all they are required to do is spread the word that the device has a defect and that it should be returned ASAP.

I've never attacked anyone, all I've stated in several posts is that the right thing to do is return the device and that in my opinion it is stupid - there, I said it again - to ignore the recall just because one feels they're safe because of the numbers working in their favor.

As I've said multiple times now, until Samsung itself posts a press release or they make a public statement that says they have not been able to reproduce the failures repeatedly then anything said is hearsay (someone heard someone else say it, in this apparent case the director of a battery studies institute claims he spoke with Samsung engineers and they stated... you see where this is going, right? One person says one thing that gets passed to another person that passes it to yet another.

If you want to believe that director, or that NYT reporter that wrote that article, that's your decision but I am only going to put any faith into something that Samsung announces in a press release or a public statement. I'm not saying that article doesn't have some basis in fact and that the director is telling the truth as he understands it, I'm just saying I decide to put my faith in Samsung directly.

Ok, I can agree with some of this with respect to the faulty charger with a faulty cable because it is indeed a possible cause, we already agree on this as I previously stated. We meaning the general public simply doesn't know what's causing these failures so we speculate based on how these devices work and come up with our own plausible causes.

I myself did not say that - Samsung stated in the information provided for the two different recalls that THEY determined it was a battery related issue - read the Hazard section in both these links:

1st recall notice: https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2016/samsung-recalls-galaxy-note7-smartphones

2nd recall notice: https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/s...-Additional-Incidents-with-Replacement-Phones

That is Samsung declaring the cause - a battery that can overheat and catch fire.

We already agreed on this: we don't know the actual cause so it could be anything including aspects of those 3 things that end users may have been responsible for.

See, I just knew you'd misunderstand that part hence me going into such detail. Here's the simple short version so put some effort into grasping this:

A device that requests 5V 2A will never be able to get more than 5V 2A from a charger regardless of how much amperage over that 2A rating can provide. It could be a 10A capable charger, a 15A, 20A, 50A, 100A, it doesn't matter - if the device requests 2A that's what the charger is going to attempt to provide. The charger -assuming that it's functioning properly and so is the charging circuit in the device - will never be capable of providing more amperage or over-current because of how chargers and charging circuits are designed as long as those chargers and those charging circuits are functioning properly.

I just said that as long as the chargers and the charging circuitry is working properly then an over-current situation is not likely to happen - the problem here is that we don't know yet if the charging circuitry in the Note 7 is potentially defective and part of the problem. We just don't know this at this time and we have to assume the charging circuitry protections are functioning properly too.

If the protection in the circuitry is defective, you'd agree that would be a bad thing, right? Right, but we don't know if that's where the defect is, at least not yet.

Yes, there are other devices from other manufacturers that have had defects, and those manufacturers put out a recall on them, that much I agree with. So look at what's happened to Samsung that's different from those other devices and manufacturers:

Samsung got reports worldwide, got some devices returned, did some testing on those returned devices, figured it was the battery itself that was defective, issued the 1st recall, got a new battery manufacturer, made some replacement devices with the new battery, sent them out and... what happened?

The replacement devices failed in many instances worldwide.

See what I'm getting at?

They failed not once but twice to correct the problem because after the 1st recall and the testing they apparently did NOT figure out exactly what happened so they issues the 2nd recall and killed the Note 7 because it was the smartest and safest thing they could possibly do at that moment in time.

How many other companies have ever had to issue a double worldwide recall of a product?

What the hell do you think I've been doing the past few days, just typing up information laden posts because I like seeing my own words on the screen? No. I've been posting information laden posts that have a logical rationality to them in the face of some people just going off half-cocked and calling me and anyone else that posts such info trolls, tells us to get out/leave the threads/forum, calls us arrogant when we try to cut through the babbling and present some facts and then take those facts and extrapolate from them like how Li-Ion batteries work and react to given catalysts that can cause them to fail and so on.

I haven't presented any info in any post that I can't back up with information from a source someplace with an emphasis on not posting the "someone I know heard something from a guy someplace that works at some place who knows a guy..." but I always try to make it clear that I myself - like you and others - am just trying to get a grasp of why these devices are failing.

No, actually, I can't agree with you there but that's just how it goes.

The Note 7 is dead and there is nothing that you or anyone else can or will ever do past the point of the 2nd recall and Samsung's official stance which is just that: the Note 7 is dead, in every way that matters.

It's up to end users to decide if they want to accept the full compete total absolute risk of continuing to own and use a Note 7.

I know that "common sense" gets tossed around these parts quite often but, let's be completely honest: in today's world, common sense just isn't. And yes that sentence makes sense, really it does. :)

Common sense and a basic understanding of what's right and what's wrong for most anyone would dictate that if someone owns a Note 7 at this time, and has seen information related to the global complete recall of every Note 7 because Samsung requested it, would eventually conclude the following:

"I have a Note 7. The device is subject to a global recall of all of them that have been manufactured. They will no longer be available for sale anywhere on Earth. They will not be receiving future support and updates from Samsung, the manufacturer. Because they have been deemed defective by Samsung I think it's in my best interest to return the device, claim my complete refund or accept another product in exchange as well as whatever credits Samsung is offering, and in that respect I can know I'm safe, people I might come into contact with as I might continue using the Note 7 would be safe, my property would be safe, and I can be happy knowing I did the right thing. I really love this device, it's absolutely perfect for me and I really hate knowing I'm not going to be able to keep it without having to always wonder if it might fail at any random time, but I'm going to do what I believe is the right thing to do."

But that's not what some people conclude. Some people look at it this way:

"I have a Note 7. It works. I like it, hell I love it - I might even kill myself if they try to take it from me or brick it. I know Samsung says it's defective but what the hell do they know about it, they couldn't even figure out why it failed in the first place and that's why the replacements failed too so why should I trust them to know if my Note 7 is going to fail in the same way? It's mine, I paid for it, I don't care what Samsung says, I don't care what anyone else says, I'm not giving it up for anything - well, I'd give it up for a Galaxy S8 of course but since that won't be out till next year then dammit I'm going to keep my Note 7 and continue using it until they release the Galaxy S8 and then I'll try and do something with this Note 7. I really think Samsung owes me something for all this trouble, like more credit or some cash, or some more free stuff like battery chargers or microSD cards, as long as I get something for my time and my trouble I don't care but people need to stop telling me what to do because I don't think that's right for anyone else to do and that's that."

If you think I'm wrong there with either of those conclusions then you haven't been paying very much attention to the nearly 50/50 split here at XDA in this Note 7 subforum based on posts by a variety of people because that's about how it's been playing out. And yes, some poster here at XDA did actually say they'd kill themselves by "jumping off a cliff" if they lost their Note 7. Seriously? You see what we're dealing with here? :)

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