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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mcsenerd:
Even if you decide to keep the phone, which regardless of your number jiggering or self-placating, there is a risk, no matter how small. Also, there are real quantifiable issues with keeping it (how many times will you have to sneak, explain, or talk about the phone when flying/travelling?; Will you get security updates going forward on a discontinued phone?; Will there be any additional accessories produced for a dead phone?). Furthermore, there is the concept of diminished value... If somebody wrecks your vehicle, but the insurance company deems the car to be repairable financially...they're still on the hook for the diminished resale value of the vehicle. Why would Samsung not also be responsible in this case? I don't keep dinosaur phones around and I typically resell them when I'm ready to upgrade... Now that's almost an impossibility. I get the "fanboy"-ishness and the whole "but this isn't that many phones"-line...but this is real and it's not cool. Samsung HAS to do something REAL to make people whole here...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] apprentice:
Mate.. I hear you and feel the same pain. But we just have to accept this situation. I am really depressed about it actually, but I guarantee that Samsung are going to pull something pretty awesome out of the bag next year to try and win everyone over again. That's what they did with the S6 remember? When sales were not good enough, they went ground zero. Not everyone loved the new look and feel but most people did and out of that the Note 7 was born.

They will not be going under, they are massive and they are innovative. So in the new year, you will be at that point again, looking forward to the next amazing phone. I am also certain that they are not going to scrap the idea of a new S-Pen based device, whatever they decide to call it. They have invested too much in that and know it's a USP that other manufacturers haven't been able to compete with.

Personally I am now opting for the Galaxy S7 Edge. If I get the same colour and set it up with the same wallpaper, theme, icons and Nova Launcher settings - I am going to make it look like my Note 7. It has the same internal specs, camera, SD Card and it looks stunning, and it will work with a Gear VR. It's even going to inherit GraceUX and other Note 7 software features . OK, You lose the S-Pen and have a slightly smaller screen but it's got to be the only choice now out there.

In the meantime chin up mate, I hope you lose that cold and make a good choice with your next phone!

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] jamurra15:
Does anyone know if there will be software updates for the note 7? My guess is no but if so I'd prob hold onto mine
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
For a post that says "You guys aren't doing the maths right", you sure made some blunders.

1. Samsung claimed that 2.5m units were shipped *before* the 1st recall. I believe something like 60% of those units were replaced. It's at least 60%, so that's another 1.5m units shipped. So 4m. Plus any others sold after the 1st recall. Don't know how many that is, but let's say another 0.5m. I'd heard they've shipped 5m units, so my 4.5m is within range. It's around 4.5 to 5m.

2. Electrical devices don't usually fail at a constant rate. There's a massively higher chance of failure within the first few days of use, and after that, things settle down. That's why companies do "soak testing" - you've heard of that, right? So to calculate a lifetime failure rate by extrapolating the number of failures so far and multiply by 24 is nonsense. It's probably 10x less likely after the 1st month.

3. The phone's been out for more than 1 month, so whatever number you are working on should be 24 / 1.5 or 24 / 2, not simply x24

So you reckon 0.2% chance? Well the 5m units makes it 0.1%. Then the non-constant lifetime failure rate drops that by 10x, so 0.01%, then halve that again since it's been out roughly 2 months. So we are down to 0.005% now. And that's if I accept your baseline 200 units failing, which I don't. Of the 1.5m replacement phones shipped, there's been less than 20 problems.

You've over-stated the risk by perhaps a factor of 50 to 100.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Rado_vr6:
You will be receiving no support from here on out. No warranty replacements if anything happens and chances are you'll be liable for any and all damages if your phone goes up in smoke.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] TokyoGuy:
A few comments here:

1. Given that Samsung pushed the 60% (80%) battery cap to devices, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume it will eventually push a kill switch-type patch that renders the device inoperable. While the point could be made about how it's the individual customers decision not to return the product and therefore Samsung itself is not necessarily guilty of negligence, any future resurfacing of this matter after enough time has passed will just bring all the anger and outrage to the surface again. In addition, it might be legally irresponsible for Samsung NOT to brick the devices remotely and thereby allow people to continue using them.

2. Development for the phone is most definitely terminated. The product has been discontinued and even sites like eBay are removing all listings. There is no logic in Samsung providing any further updates or patches for the product as that could be seen as encouraging those who refuse to return the product to continue using it. I would bet the only future patch released would be the aforementioned bricking OTA.

3. Honestly speaking I am quite curious as to the user profiles of those individuals who have experienced meltdowns. While it's understood that some of the devices exploded while not charging, I'd be curious to hear about what kind of usage pattern they had. Were they running dozens of apps in the background? Had their phone been sat on or in some way bent or structurally compromised (even temporarily) during the period in which they had it? Had the phone dropped? Had it been submerged in water at any point during the usage period?

You would think that during the testing phase for the product all of these situations would have been attempted to simulate wear and tear.

4. While I liked the Galaxy Note Edge, personally I hated the Note 4 and found the design of the Note 5 to be equally bad, namely because of the nice curve on the back and the flat face. The Note 7, in my opinion, was possibly the best phone Samsung had ever released. It is a true shame that such a halo product has suffered such a sad fate.

Part of me wonders why Samsung didn't just assume the worse and alter the production such that all models from the second batch and onward had 3250 mAh batteries, or even 3000. Sure there would have been some complaining about the diminished SOT and whatnot, but this would have allowed for a much less cramped battery.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
My thoughts are if it was simple as that, they would have done exactly that.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] TokyoGuy:
I'm not so sure though. It seems like Samsung just haphazardly assumed the problem was from the SDI cells and because there weren't any reports from the Chinese models with the alternative batteries, just assumed they were safe. Given this new report today that stated it still doesn't know what's causing it, the probability is thereby even more likely.

Also I got the impression Samsung didn't want any real pause in the production, especially given the high demand and lack of supply from day 1. Putting in a smaller battery would have meant contracting and altering production plans to accommodate such a venture, and that would hate taken potentially weeks. It wanted an immediate solution.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] juliend:
Man, you are all over defending this thing, lol.

CPSA website shows 92 failures int the US alone. 26 of those included burns, and 55 included property damage claims. Where did you come up with 20?

*edit* Ohhhh, I got it. 20 out of the 1.5m replacement units. I buy that. I do agree, the personal risk is probably very very low for people who do decide to keep it. For me, it's the house, the kids, dogs, cats, and the no updates in the future, no fly, etc. Not worth the hassle. I just wish there was a comparable phone to jump to.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
The point is my friend regardless of maths and gigures its all academic now as the phone has ceased production, there will be no more Note 7's made.

That in itself is not a problem for me as I am happy to keep mine, however...........several very important factors need careful consideration.

The Note 7 had ended and will not receive any updates or customer support.

Samsung will block the phones use, they will have to to prevent further devices rupturing and possible facing heavy litigation.

The other point is if we keep our mobile and it goes pop in a public place and causes damage WE would become liable. Samsung may well, in the days or weeks to come, make the recall official meaning it would be illegal to sell, stock or own this device. I 'think' this is already the case in the USA?

I, like many others, am totally peeved with the whole scenario. I found this device simply superb. I want to keep it but have to accept such a decision will be taken out of my hands.

Last point is those who do try and keep the mobile, think to the future.....you will have an 880.00€ door stop. If you sold it and it went pop oh dear would the crap hit your fan..... Right now I am very angry, that will soon pass and with in the next few months, March 2017, the S8 will come out and maybe with it a new S-pen device that we could then invest in IF we get our cash back now. :fingers-crossed:

Many present Note 7 users only own this one mobile so will need to get another one. Suggestion.....do what I did today and go buy a cheap temporary mobile that will last the next few months then you will have the cash to buy the flagship device next march. I still own the SG S6 Edge+ but need two phones. I bought the Samsung galaxy A5 6 and its rather taken me aback by its quality and specifications, it will certainly hold me until next march.

We have to keep safe and keep others safe, we don't live in a vacuum so we share responsibility for each others well being. Samsung will do all they can, and correctly so, to ensure this phone is made inoperable. Get your money back and move on....Its a pig but ......:eek:

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] The Phone Company:
Absolute scare mongering! I vape, you know, electronic cigarettes. Do you know the batteries these things I put to my face daily, 18650 batteries, have had much more media reporting on literally exploding outright. Meaning not just in an enclosed container such as a phone, but explode, boom.

Yet they haven't been "made illegal", people are afraid to walk past me on the street, I haven't been told not to enter a public place, get on a bus, etc, because I am seen to be vaping an 18650 vaping device.

Believe me if I was lucky enough to ever have had been able to get my hands on a Note 7 I would KEEP IT, and use it.

Some people really believe anything the media spoon feeds them, threat of terrorism, life endangering hurricanes, etc.

Think for yourselves, using your OWN mind!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] invisiblesense:
Mine is the original FD variant. I am now back on 100% charge thanks to a custom kernel/rom.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] NIKKOTUASON:
Awesome glad there is a way to get 100% back.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] invisiblesense:
Thanks. I've zero issues with my device that I got 5 Aug. Sadly I I might have to give up on it due the constant fear at the back of my mind about something going wrong, I have small kids. I absolutely feel heartbroken by what's happened to the Note7. It is without any doubt the best phone I have ever used and I've had many over the years.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] NIKKOTUASON:
I dont blame you especially if there are other people that can get hurt and to make matters worse kids. I'm in the same boat as you excluding kids. I really dont have a clue as to which phone to switch from my original FD (non exchanged) its running so beautifully along with the S Pen features makes a lot of tasks so easy.

What is pushing me more into finding a replacement is there might be no more security updates and support for the Note7 which really really cripples it, I mean I can stay on firmware N930FXXU1BPHA (Aug 26) but for how long and I really wanted Nougat lastly almost non existent dev support... :eek:

Btw what firmware are you on you Note7?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] evo4g63t:
Math doesn't really matter here the fact of the matter is that this was serious enough of a problem that Samsung killed its second golden egg in response to this problem, they don't do that for the heck of it there is a serious safety issue with the device.

I know what you're thinking "it'll never happen to me" but that is exactly what people that had it happen probably thought too.

Loosing a car, bodily injury, loosing a house and potentially a life is NOT worth keeping a flipping phone no matter how cool it is. You're risking this for what a stylus, Iris scanner and processing speed? It seems really silly to me.

Plus the fact of the matter is:

- there will be no product support from Samsung if other problems arise

- 3rd party support will drop quickly you won't be getting new accessories, VR support has already been dropped.

- most people will turn the phone in so there will likely be a lack of 3rd party XDA developers on this phone.

- if a fire does happen it's 100 percent your responsibility good luck getting compensated for a fire.

The value of the phone is probably going to go in the toilet quickly so when you want to get rid of it you're likely not going to have many options in recouping your losses.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] invisiblesense:
Agree on everything you say. This phone was the complete package for me, it had everything I wanted. S Pen with features like Glance, adding notes to AOD, making gifs with spen, water resistant the list could go on.

I am currently on the HydraROM 1.3.5 by Tkkg1994.

It's 100% that there will be no further support or updates from Samsung. There will also be NO further Custom ROMs for the device. Samsung has killed of the Note7 therefore it will no longer support it. So so sad! :crying:
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Regardless of your feelings and right or wrong you are failing to see the obvious. \this mobile has stopped being produced and Samsung will correctly want those in circulation back to avoid any possible further litigation. To that end samsung and various governmental agencies will ensure this mobile is blocked and rendered unusable.

I cannot understand the fight now as its over done and dusted. In a few moths time, march, thee will be the new 8 series, one of those' may' be an S-pen variant? Get your cash back, save it and buy the next generation.

Of course, unless the recall is made official one can keep the mobile............what happens when its blocked though? very expensive paper weight. Keep it and take the risk of causing harm to a third person! Imagine the sh1t storm that would bring down on you, for what, a mobile phone? You cant sell it without full disclosure and even then one would be certifiable to sell a device that has been recalled.

Enough, its a real shame and painful to have to part company with the Note 7 and believe me I am truly pi55ed to see it go but ... "God grant us the strength to change the things we can. accept the things we can't and the wisdom to know the difference".

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] JPMoPho:
I went back to my Note 4 yesterday. Best buy let me keep all accessories for both recalls ( plus I have both S pens for posterity. N7 tips work with N4s S pen)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] reese.leblanc:
The wife and I are unfortunately returning ours tomorrow. It's definitely with heavy hearts, as we absolutely love them! We have had zero issues, overheating, etc, but we have a small child and it is simply not worth the risk. We are going with the Edge 7 and will set them up like our Notes. When the new version comes out we will trade up to that.

RIP Note 7!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
I sincerely hope they do not. I haven't been able to find in the t's and c's (yet?) the section that says the owner agrees that Samsung can wilfully damage their phone. I say "yet" because maybe such cover exists in the contracts somewhere.

However, if it does not, Samsung rendering someone else's property impaired or in some other way unusable, would be a wilful act of criminal damage. However well intentioned it may be, one does not have the right to deliberately damage peoples' property without their consent.

You've taken one approach and one course of action and that's fine with me. My chosen course is to keep using my phone for so long as I am able, before the option to have it replaces expires. I will be *extremely* unhappy should a third party seek to damage my property without my consent.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Sorry, I just cannot reply to your mail. Please read your mail and think outside the box. If you cannot understand what you have written, wheres the point?

Have a good day,

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
You do talk some utter rubbish.

Perhaps *you'd* like to think about what *you* wrote? Maybe *you'd* like to consider how likely it is that a single phone will catch fire, or even more unlikely cause any damage, or even more unlikely than that, cause any serious damage, or even more unlikely than that, seriously injure or kill someone.

Maybe *you'd* like to reflect on the fact that there have been ZERO deaths, serious or even minor injuries across 4 million devices.

And then maybe *you'd* like to reflect on all the things that you do in your daily life where risks are incurred. Driving your car, for example.

And maybe then you might decide not to be so sanctimonious and you'd dictate less to others about their choices. But I won't hold my breath.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Hiya. So are you asking me to give you an explanation of what you wrote? I guess I can if you really need it just to help?

Ryland

That was a mighty fast reply lol. you must be at your PC?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] SylverSun:
Hi !

I just swap it for a Huawei p9 plus yesterday in Beijing.

I didn't want to go through the same pain that flashing the hk rom and dm verity and stuff to get the Playstore and Google services is.

I have to say that I'm pretty impress, of course the screen is "only" 1080p and the camera even if it's good it's note as good as the note 7. BUT the software is so much faster, everything is fluid, no stutter lag or so.

And the battery life is crazy, I woke up at 8am this morning, it's 6.35pm now and I have 7h05 SOT and 23% battery remaining.

Emui is fine as long as I changed the launcher to Nova.

And Google services and Playstore were easy to install, just 4 apk to install and it's ok. (it may seems nothing to not living in China people, but with Samsung it was a real pain in the ass)

Of course I'm missing the stylus tough....
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] ilordvader:
Good choice :)

I too am waiting to get the Galaxy S8 :cowboy:
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] jdyowa:
The day after I wrote this I got in a wreck on the bike. Minor accident, I didn't even go down. I did hit the car in front of me going about 25 mph and he was doing 10 (I was looking at the guy next to me trying to merge into me and looked back up in time to hit the brakes for about 4 feet...then Bam. Luckinly he was turning and wasn't stopped). Anyway, the phone didn't explode.:o
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Tangkapan:
In Europe samsung already told that the note 7 will be shut down. They either do it via software or through carrier blockage over IMEI. So if someone wants to keep it.. Fine but all that's left is a camera that plays music.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] doc_loco:
Who told you this? I haven't heard this in the UK
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Tangkapan:
Samsung Germany. Today on the phone.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
He's just hoping. There's been no such announcement in the UK and Germany doesn't run the UK, much though they might like.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] muhyidin:
Same rumors heard in France.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
Two reasons to ignore it in the UK then. Rumors and France.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] M100TX:
Try not to be racist :P there's likely something in it... they wouldn't want you or someone else to sue them if your N7 ignites 5 months from now and causes damage, so they may try to do everything they can to prevent people keeping their Notes. But I can understand if you want to risk it, I would, if I had one.

I read someone had rooted it and succeeded in making his N7 think it is a S7. Seems a waste of the S-pen though. Otherwise just block OTA updates..?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] muhyidin:
It's not really a rumor. It's been said on phone by Samsung customer service to many people who called them. In a few days....
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mikesaa309:
I did the same with my note 7 though it thinks it's the S6 not the S7 it has no impact on features whatsoever S-pen still works fine and so does iris scanner and even the grace UX remains the same including the camera software. You basically edit the build.prop file which mainly lets apps know info about the device but you can seriously mess up your phone if you edit the wrong things. By changing a few things in the build.prop you can basically just let apps know that it's a different phone completely so in the case of the gear VR for example, it will check the build.prop file to check the device and if it's a note 7 then will display a warning but as mine and whoever else's build.prop file is edited to be an S6 or S7 then the gear VR app thinks it's being run on a S6 and doesn't display the warning message allowing us to use the gear VR. But like I said, otherwise everything works as normal including the S-pen and iris scanner.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] renokim:
seriously

samsung has to give advantage for previous note 7 owners

I'm exchanging my note 7 to galaxy 7 edge and I really don't wanted to downgrade but verizon want me to do so

The new galaxy 8 is going to come out early next year and I'm gonna have to keep my s7 edge since I'm on 2-yrs contract

this is bs previous note 7 owner should get free eligible upgrade to samsung's new flagship model when it come out
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Samsung should definately do something for their customers. And I don't mean bribe them: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/10/18/samsung-note-7-bribe/
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] teegunn:
This is great. Except that doesn't change the IMEI. So using your phone, any carrier will know you are using an N7. Obviously it would be very illegal to hack the IMEI, especially with the only smartphone recalled to this level where you can't even bring it on a freaking plane.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
I'm quite sure that is a cultural practice in China.

Not pertaining to just Samsung employee. It is actually quite common to use money to shut people's mouth.