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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Regarding the Iphone 7 releasing date... that's to be frank, is not a coincidence. It was already forecast quite a while back... in fact, Note 7 was intentionally launched earlier than Iphone. I wish you don't misunderstand and concluded that is the conspiracy.

Samsung did make a mistake... rush job, poor job. A sophisticated one needs more time. I cannot imagine how much stress the engineers been through then and sign off the blueprint just to answer to Samsung Management dateline.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] teegunn:
If there is ever any evidence that Samsung rushed their engineers to get the N7 out, that would mean something. Then we would need evidence that Samsung actually had found a battery issue but pushed the phone out anyway. By all accounts, Samsung has never been able to replicate the battery problem when they test for it. So how do you account for a problem that you never had in pre-release or in post release trying to test for that problem? If you can't replicate it, then how can you find a fix for something? Bottom line, what is actually "wrong" with the N7 to cause this problem seems to be a mystery to this point. Which is not good, because it means that even with stringent testing an unknown problem can still occur.

The other side of the coin is that there is some kind of conspiracy or that a rival company has been paying people to have N7's fail. This is pretty far fetched and probably also pretty hard to prove. So we can throw that scenario out of the picture.

So what we have is the best phone ever made to date killed permanently with no answers as to what the problem is from. It would be very nice to get a definitive answer on what the problem actually is so they can avoid it next time.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
Has Samsung issued a public statement that professes this, precisely that? No? Didn't think so.

What you've been reading are 'reports from a person close to Samsung' or something very similar to that type of statement - Samsung itself has not issued an official statement to anyone anywhere about the investigation that is now currently in progress. There has been no official press release from anyone at Samsung anywhere making such claims either.

What's been presented so far in this whole fiasco is nothing but hearsay and third party "I know this guy that works for a website that gets really good info from insiders who have friends that clean the bathrooms in the labs at <whatever company> and he overheard two executives arguing about <whatever the issue is... so it's got to be true."

Until Samsung issues an official statement to the world then it should all be dismissed with a lot of prejudice.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
I just noticed something 'funny'....

You usually respond with very elaborated answers, with which I can agree most of the time, but you majestically avoid the main questions... :)

Like in our past few messages, I still did not find your comments on the following:

- I agree and feel sorry for all the destroyed phones we see in the crash tests and I can understand the reasons of these guys. They are making the tests as professionally or unprofessionally they can. Still, the tests are containing a big doze of hazard, as most of them are just dropping them from various heights and hand positions. Some also use different machines in an attempt to replicate more industrial conditions.

Even so, the 'hazard' helped them, so no phone caught fire...

You say, they are just a few dozen and not to be considered.

Then, why should we take so much seriously the other dozens, which are supposedly 'performed' in less than ideal conditions, about we do not have any information. We have no idea if they fiddled with the phone in any way... Some crazy people might also think that some did it for insurance purposes (it is just a supposition though, but like in the case of the car in Florida, the Fire Department could not indicate without a doubt that it was phones fault).

- That the engineers in Samsung cannot be trusted and should not be listened unless there is an official announcement, I agree.

But, what about the other Consumer Protection agencies, shouldn't they dig deeper and investigate all the reported cases and come up with some justification of the measures they took? I believe that their mission is to correctly inform the people on the risks... If the risk is that serious and the people would have the right information, most of the people will quietly power off their phones and return them. We would not have had any conspiracy theory.

So far, they just look as they take some measures because they just can and they seem to favor other manufacturers... As long, as it is only backed by suppositions, people can be inclined to believe also this theory...

Also, the FAA banned the phone completely, even if there is nothing new that happened recently... Then, based on what they took this decision?

Please try to comment on this points and I will agree to you (maybe... :) ) If not, we will also continue our interesting conversation, which is bringing a lot of useful information
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
So back to my topic, any more reports of Note 7 catching fires?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
None, as far as I know.... :)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
The quieter it is... the more mysterious it becomes... like watching a thriller with the story unfolding slowly.. keeping us or just me alone...in supense
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
You know, this is why I also starting to ask all these questions.... It is becoming really fishy....

If Samsung or another company/lag/agency would come to the press and clearly present some facts, we would not have any reason for doubts and we will calmly power off our phones, send them back and wait for a new version (little different name maybe, so the FAA will differentiate clearly)

But, when the media is making such a hype on all the 'reported' cases, none minimally investigated and is trying to induce such a fear among the people, counting on the ignorance of most of them, this panic is only leading to a few questions for the more technically inclined of us.

It is at least strange for me, that we tend to downplay all the tests (good or bad) from YouTube, as they are not to be trusted, even if they have the minimally evidence on video of what has been done. And we trust wholehearted the poor guys which had the phones burned, but we have no information on how they 'played' with the phone.

But, when JerryRigEverything put on YouTube his findings on the 'scratchabillity' of the screen, everybody panicked initially.

Now, the Consumer Protection and FAA became so much involved and so drastically, even if no new case is reported, and not based on any minimal evidence....

Than, of course, we start being inclined toward all sort of Conspiracy theories...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
When I read that, this quote from "Men in Black" came to mind:

People react before they think, unfortunately. If a person just stops for a moment and does some actual thinking then things tend to work themselves out in a different manner, but when people (as in large numbers of individuals) tend to pile on to some sudden "OMG it's happening..." situation that's when a lot more goes wrong than just the incident they're already piling on top of.

I find that quote from MiB to be quite true, myself, every single day I'm alive and I have to deal with people in general. ;)
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Regards

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
The other dozens I was referring is the dozens that caught fire.... Did anybody performed any investigations on any of them (except for the car in Florida, which proved inconclusive...) which should have become public, so we all would have a serious reason for concern. Even so, we take every of them seriously and start with all the standard clichee (better safe than sorry, put your family before your hobbies, etc...) which, certainly have a very big impact on 'regular' people .

I, one, don't understand the attitude of Samsung which is keeping quiet and is accepting all these measures. If I were them I would try to make as publicly available all the tests that are made, in order to show to the people that they tried their best and could not replicate or, explain in detail the findings, so the people, correctly informed, to return the phones without putting themselves to risk.

To go back to the previous topic, my questions were simple:

- Why we don't believe anything on YouTube (but we did believe JerryRigEverything) and we trust without any doubt the people reporting their phones exploded?

- Why we are not prepared to wait for Samsung or any other trustworthy agency/lab/company and we jump so easily on conclusions and measures?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
Going back to the 0.000001%, I would say that 1 in a million is generally valid for all the manufacturers. This didn't lead to such 'desperate' measures from the before mentioned agencies...

And, second, if we demise all the shaky videos as not trustworthy, why we cannot ask ourselves questions when we hear about the fire cases without any details?

Why us and Samsung cannot wait to the the real answers, then decide for the actions? I would believe that me, as a company, I would not accept just like this, to have a product stopped that badly only because someone didn't like the color of my eyes...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
I can't make things any clearer (more or less) than I already have, guess there's a communication breakdown going on someplace - I get the feeling you might be using a translation service of some kind based on some of the wording but I can't say that for sure and that could be causing problems. I'll try to summarize things one last time, at least how I'm seeing the whole situation:

Samsung is a company and they've had reports of people and property being involved in incidents with Note 7 devices that have either combust (caught on fire), exploded (with the case cracking itself open and parts potentially flying off from the device during this process), or simply burned and smoked in a non-explosive manner. In such a situation if this type of incident happens once or twice in a few million devices, it can be sometimes dismissed as random defects of various kinds, assembly/production line issues on a given batch, and so on.

If it happens a few dozen times and it gets reported to Samsung then it becomes a more serious issue that needs to be considered for a recall, especially if the higher count of incidents involves actual injury to people or damage to property (including the Note 7 itself, or a case, USB charging cable, adapters, etc) because of the possibility that it's a larger scale effect of production or design flaws.

When something like this happens 100+ times, that's when it's time to pull the plug both literally and figuratively, put out an official recall, get the products off the market and out of the hands of users regardless of where they are (since it's a worldwide recall) and then investigate the cause of the issue(s), provide recourse to the consumers (with buy-backs, refunds, exchanges, and so on), and then publish the results in the hopes of having the public come to understand things as best they can.

Samsung so far has done what they feel is right by issuing the 1st recall, trying a different battery with replacement devices, got reports those replacements were suffering from the same/similar problems as the devices they were replacing, and then finally had to issue the 2nd recall and then shut the Note 7 down permanently.

Now what remains is the investigation and the recall and eventual destruction of every Note 7 they get back from consumers.

When people are in a position to be potentially injured or property could be potentially damaged, and there's a pattern exceeding a certain amount of affected devices, that potential for injury or damage has to be the primary cause of action resulting in the recall, removal, and destruction of the given devices even if the vast majority of them haven't and might never ever actually exhibit the failure. I know consumers at large don't agree with it, but we're consumers so we sometimes can't see things from the manufacturer's point of view.

That's about it, in a wordy nutshell.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
To summarize it, no I am not using any translation service...

It is clearly we simply cannot agree on certain facts, which is normal , no 2 people are the same.

I am really not trying to convince you about anything.

I will stay with my question (which I find reasonable for me, at least) without trying to impose anything on anyone.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
I'm not sure what you think the facts are which is part of the problem. ;) And I understand you're asking questions and not trying to convince me of something, that's a given.

I just can't seem to grasp what your (reasonable) question actually is... :confused:
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
I hope that none of us is planning to go back to Square 1....

How come that this issue, limited to a 'reasonable' number of devices (unfortunately so much localized to few specific region/s) is got so much out of proportions and triggered such desperate measures (only for 'concern' for the poor layman even if no serious case of injury is reported) without giving a chance to someone to explain the findings and then the authorities to decide the best measures?

The other reported cases of the last weeks, of the cyclist guy wounded pretty bad on the leg and the other guy from China with wounds on the face filming with iPhone 7, were not much making the news.... Why for some, this is in the hazard margins?

http://bgr.com/2016/09/29/iphone-7-exploding-fire-photos/

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/180162/20160929/look-did-this-iphone-7-explode-too.htm

http://www.phonearena.com/news/iPho...ll-leaves-man-with-third-degree-burns_id83742

https://jiocare.net/iphone-7-explodes-in-china-while-recording-video/

Aren't these reports scary also? Did anybody took any measure?

Sorry for making myself difficult to understand, I can only hope the some other people to better get my words....
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
Because people got physically injured with their Note 7 failures.

Since people were physically injured, yes, it's a public hazard.

I don't consider the reports scary myself, I consider them informational and important. Not sure what you mean by "measure" there.

No worries, sometimes - like products that have defects - things happen. :D
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
As far as I am concerned, I'll rest my case!

I'll try to audit my defects and try to rectify them!

Good luck!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Ok. Question answered in a way

https://www.facebook.com/ng.robson/p...54015927042776

From Malaysia
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
Deja vu again
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Is it a broken link?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154015927042776&id=574287775
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
works fine
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Well, after a recall he won't be getting symphaty but rather "shame on you". I wonder if there weren't other incidents but people are to ashamed to admit it.

On the other hand it is a bit weird there aren't more reports about new explosions when there are predictions as much as 40% of people have not returned the devices!!

If this proofs to be some sabotage, I will be furious.

But the phone is dead and I am not about to pay for it 22 more months when there is a possibility it will blow up that Samsung deems considerable.

All we can do is remain faithful to the brand, not let vultures gain from this, especially not the kiddy fruity. Get s7 or wait for the next flagship. Samsung can be forgiven if they treat us right.

Edit: found this video from October 14th https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv0SfMgNOTw
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
I beg to differ. No doubt samsung do produce decent phone.. but I will not pledge allegience (exaggerated) to any brand. But will seek one that suits my needs and preference. In this case, Note 4 and 7. Why need to remain faithful? There are no relationship between the Brand and i... i love gadgets. Smart phones one of them.

Although my curiousity is stillstrong in this case. Cause it had taken too much of my money, efforts, time over this 2 months. Wanted to seek justification (not justice) for the hassle caused.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] htcplussony:
Was working for me before. Took it down?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
IMO The remaining Note 7s are safe.

All and each of the Note 7 that exploded, exploded between the first 10 days of use. After that there are NO reports of any Note 7 that exploded beyond 2 weeks use.

I think that the reason of the explosions was not a general battery error, but a random manufacturing error that acured only on specific devices.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Dude.. that just happened yesterday
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
8 oct video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zokMnyOZEQg ,seeing his other video , probably not real source
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Would be better to find POST recall stories.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] evo4g63t:
The product line is dead the media is done getting clicks by reporting every case.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
power it down , change a temp phone , wait for S8 end of story
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
"I am now worried about that big 8Kg Samsung drier we bought earlier this year".

You have to think Apple have paid him to write that, don't you. I mean, no-one could possibly make themselves look like such a complete tool without being paid to do so, could they. COULD THEY???
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
That guy meant it as a joke.. a sarcastic one.. omg.. you be surprise there are a lot more than you can imagine in this world that can make themselves look foolish without being paid...

Don't you have Trump?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
I think so.. he probably remove it after quite a number of poster rebuke him for still using the phone despite being warned to turn it off by Samsung.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
yep the number of claims will have dropped as people have been asked to stop using the device, so people wont want to be associated with causing damage after being told not to use the phone.

also you will likely have a lot less people using the device.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] aengus4h:
perhaps tongue in cheek but Sammy's white goods have also been reportedly bursting into flames as well, unfortunate timing for them really, 2 products hitting news at the same time. A number of other manufacturer's tumble dryers have had similar in the not so distant past and also made the news.

Here in the UK no, we have Boris and Corbyn :P
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
My bad on the "Mascot" Lol..
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
Not trying to push it, but there's no information about how long this guy used his phone...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
This was the replacement batch. So should be at least 2 weeks if not more cause the exchange program ended around beginning of oct.

Dude was charging in his car while driving. Using same cable that charged his S3, S5.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
so not a cable for the Note since the Note doesn't have a micro USB?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
I would think so. And in this case, the charging current should be lower too.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
depends on the car, mine has quite a strong USB port as I can use a hub and charge both a phone and my tomtom at the same time.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
But the cable might not support that high current.

Another source.. but same dude..

For the fb broken link.

http://www.stuff.tv/my/news/malaysian-says-his-galaxy-note-7-phone-burned-in-his-car
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
a cable is a cable, they will support whatever you put through them, it's the same as when I swapped a burnt up cable from my S6 (no idea how the samsung cable went crispy at the phone end) for the cable I got with my Z1 it still fast charged at the same speed because the fact is the cable doesn't make a difference as long as it is the same specification. the only way you would lose current in a cable is if it was built with really low quality materials then your main concern would be that the power coming through would be nowhere near as "clean" and it could be leading to higher chances of spikes.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
That was quite different from what I experienced.

Example, i used my Note 4 cable with my Tab S2 charger on my Tab S2. It prompt me a slow charging notification unless I'm using original cable. The problem was gone after I switch back to the Tab S2 cable.

Then I charged my Note 4 using the same Note 4 cable.. fast charging activated.

The cables and chargers are Samsung's.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
it goes on the plug not the cable, without a fast charging plug you will never get fast charging, but with a fast charging plug any USB cable (unless really low quality) will give you fast charging.

the reason you lost fast charge is because you used an S2 charger, it doesn't have the fast charging capability, it wasn't the cable that stopped the fast charge it was the charger being incapable.

I'm actually running the third party 3 meter USB cable (cost about a fiver so not really expensive) and it is still capable of fast charging an S6/S7 as long as it is connected to an adaptive fast charging Samsung plug, however if I connect it to the USB ports built into the wall socket it won't fast charge and that is because the wall socket doesn't support Samsung fast charge.