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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
I asked this question in another thread before. But the curiousity of mine got the better of me..

I tried to search for updates on Note 7 these couple of days and all the news were about refunds, recall, banned from flights.. nothing on new 'explosions'? Can't be all phones were returned or absolutely no one using. Even if all phones are turned off, there is still a possibility of one catching fire right?

Or did I miss something?

I'm not really saying conspiracy theories. Just coincidentally.. it just cease... touch wood..
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] marktang:
i post a linked earlier showing that there are more people using the note 7 after the 2nd recall for some reason.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] winol:
mission accomplished, as for the fruity co. and the tyrant mighty G, lol
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
But on a serious "note", pun intended.. really no more new cases? It is getting more and more coincidental isn't it?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
I never saw in the press all 23 the cpsc says happened from Sept 15 till the other day so likely they are still happening. Not everyone runs to the verge.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Or because it was not news worthy anymore? There is a case of the phone caught fire when it was off. So I guess it will happen randomly even when every Note users switched it off. Yet, zero reports news. The more I think of it, the more I feel that it is a waste to recall everything single one world wide.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
There was one that caught fire a few days ago, I think Oct 10th, in South Korea at a Burger King and got caught on video so, yes they're still having problems and as long as people keep them and continue using them we'll see incidents reported at some point.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
What i actually meant was cases after those reported earlier. After saying they stop production and recalling.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
Because there are so many people intent on keeping their devices, I'm absolutely positive we'll see more reports as time passes. I don't suspect we'll see hundreds or even thousands of them since it's such a random thing so far - happens when it's on, happens when it's off, happens when it's charging, happens when it's not charging, and so on - but even so we haven't seen the last reports, no, not by a long shot.

Personal opinion, obviously, but since people are freakin' stupid that's an absolute guarantee that this situation is far far from over. :D
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Ok. Refraining from branding others being stupid... i just like to point out that, a substantial number 'randomly' happen over a short span of time, then randomlynothing happen after that. That doesn't translate to random in my limited knowledge.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.

By definition that would mean it's a random thing.

As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.

Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] The Phone Company:
Some people will believe anything they read, either in mainstream news or rags such as 'The Verge'.

They may well be the ones who are duped.

Re: "Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same."

Solution? Solution to what exactly?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
It can happen to any units, whether manufactured initially or the second batch, using any batteries at any country. Agree. And if a hardware can't be pinpoint, probably it is design flaw. And design flaw means, it can still happen. Agree. No doubt we will have to turn it in.

But just to emphasize what I've mentioned, why the pattern occurs with such intensityat certain point, but stopped at suddenly. Shouldn't it occurs at least at some point of time, somewhere to someone in the past few days? Why the inconsistency in occurrance if it was a hardware/design failure? Either we should have a incidence happening in Southeast asia, or we should expect one in Europe. But it just stop. Whether the phones were operating or returned or still in used dont add up to the equation now. Why this phenomenon ceased after they decide to close down production and recall all back. Unless the phones know through supernatural means that it is time to stop exploding because they are going back to mother ship ( Samsung), I have no other answers which I'm seeking for.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mankvl:
At this point media don't care... phone is destroyed and all that refund, recall **** is more important then just writing about it blowing up OK just combustion over and over is boring. Unless someone goes to hospital you will hear it... and looking that note7 usage increased smth like that can happen... rly sad 2 years for note users in Europe... will be waiting for note8 with my s7e...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
This is also what I asked in a previous thread, but some guys jumped on easy clichees...

It is strange that we never heard of any issues with any of the phones which were on display worldwide, always connected to chargers and handled by a lot of people in all the possible ways...

Now, after the first recall, we suddenly hear of reports, some saying the phone was not charging or was even turned off. They started the fears that the phone is dangerous, no matter if on or off. Even so no report of any phone going crazy in any warehouse or during the shipping back, despite the 'concerns' of majority of the shipping companies that refuse to ship the phone...

Now, ban the phone completely in the airplanes...

Still, as you noticed, after the last decision, the phones, 'magically', started the be afraid and are behaving well, no matter that the number of Note 7 still in use is increasing so, it is not quite true that the people is shutting them down...

Yesterday I saw a news that an iPhone 7 busted in flames and injured the owner on the face, because he was filming with the phone. Not many sites mentioned the incident...

I might be wrong, but there are a little too more coincidences for such a 'random' issue...

Anyhow, it appears that 'Mission is completed!'...

Let's hope that we see a future for the Note line!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
I see that you took a long time to prepare all this :)

Even if it is a lot of good info here, still it doesn't answer few of my questions...

How come it never happened in any showroom, with the phones always charging and handled by a lot of people?

How come it never happened to any warehouse, hypothetically having hundreds of units in one place? Don't tell they were powered off...

How come this hysteria with fireproof boxes and gloves for the returns when we did not hear any single case of a phone catching fire during the shipping?

I could continue mentioning the lack of cases in Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc. but I don't plan to go polemic...

Still, everyone is free to read and understand the news in the way it serves his/her beliefs and concerns about the 'life' in general...

It might be that some people is not ready to 'buy' all that media is 'selling' to us and ask themselves a few extra questions, sometimes good ones, sometimes maybe not...

And, as for the number of phones still in use:

http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/galaxy-note-7-use-after-recall/
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
So you are suggesting that Samsung decided TWICE to recall and then cease production of a perfectly healthy functional device and lose multi billions of euros just because of the media ? :rolleyes:

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chippy_boy:
And I think you don't understand what random means. Clearly *something* is causing this problem, which maybe far from random. It's simply that no-one has managed to figure out what the something is. Maybe EVERY Note 7 may at some point burst into flames. But it is equally possible that this is not the case, and only certain ones might do that. No-one knows yet.

And by the way, do we know exactly how many devices have spontaneously combusted whilst powered off? Probably not, but is it as many as were powered on? No, I think we can say with a high degree of confidence that it is not. We are talking one or two, or 4 or 5 maybe, out of a couple of hundred. If the "anode & cathode coming into contact" theory was correct, then it wouldn't make any difference whether the phone was powered on or off at the time, so this explanation seems very unlikely to me.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
It is really sad to see that lots of people just forgot all the innovative things that Note7 brought, making it maybe the best phone of this year... It is somehow amazing how they seem to be happy for the decision to stop producing the phone... All became suddenly 'concerned ' about 'peace of mind', even if the chances (at worst) are in 0.000001%...

Do you really think that, in the showrooms, people did not try to bend, put pressure, run benchmarks? Didn't they drop any of the phones on the floor?

How come the 'hundreds' of engineers (as reported) from Samsung or any other agency involved in determining the causes of incidents could not replicate the issue? You think that it wouldn't come to their minds to twist, squeeze, put pressure on the units, before other tests?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] The Phone Company:
I'll just leave this here:

New Jersey college student's iPhone explodes in class burning a hole in his back pocket - despite it being OFF

October 4th (10-4 Message Received) 2016

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-college-student-s-iPhone-explodes-class.html

And for added "weight", here:

Girl, 12, suffers second-degree burns after her iPhone spontaneously catches fire in her back pocket

May 11th 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iPhone-spontaneously-catches-fire-pocket.html

But you guys are blind. There are loads more STORIES out there, Google them. iPhone fire/explodes/yadda yadda

Yet for some reason it appears some amongst us have selective hearing of sorts.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Why did Samsung recall the Note 7 TWICE and take a multi billion euro lose? Can you answer that?

Techno is my ONE vice. Without my techno vice I may as well join a monastery. I feel the lose of the Note 7. It has pi55ed me off like you can't believe. I so much want this situation to be over and for Samsung to reissue the Note 7. I want one. I NEED one.

Regardless of our debating this scenario we can run around the garden wearing our boxers on our heads and use our socks as earings and even sing the national anthem.....NOTHING is going to change the fact that Samsung has ceased all production of the Note 7 and in several countries the government have made an official recall.

We can't have that magnificent device, that's that, end of. I must go kick the cat!

Ryland :(
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] The Phone Company:
Oh and look, Comments on an Established Mainstream British Media News Official Website such as,

'staged'

'They are never 'off' because the pigs use them to track everyone's movements.'

Comments from 11 days ago, not deleted, not censored. Answer me! What. Is. Going. On?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
/me hands Ryland a <sarcasm> tag or two. ;)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Guys, cool.

All have a point.

Fact 1: there are Note 7 catching fire

Fact 2: there will be no support, updates, warranty.

Fact 3: it will be illegal to distribute, sell, through whatever channels and means

Fact 4: Note 7 is barred from flights from, to, within US.

Fact 5: we were told to either seek for exchange or refund.

Facts unknown: why it caught fire (root cause)

Facts unknown: why no cases of Note 7 catching fire since the last one (96 reported) a couple of days back after they announce stoppages of production or officially recall it a second time.

Resigning to fact or accepting that we have to return does not mean we don't want to know more. This saga affect most of us tremendously. Agreeing or not, smartphones, in this case, Note 7 are than a phone in most of our lifestyle . It connects us.. it keep us connected, and probably a more likely companion than another person. Sadly, but it is true. At least you have lesser chance of rejection from a phone than a person.

Thus, please understand those who are a little more than unwilling to return it. Vice versa, do try and understand that we are not living alone in this world. The inconvenience one would cause to hundreds or more from a flight delay just because you brought Note 7 on board an aircraft. It need not be exploding. The flight can just evacuate everyone because it is officially a banned product. Imagine if it unfortunately caught fire.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
Protip: it's a smartphone, it's not a lifestyle, seriously.

People are acting like this whole situation is a relationship gone wrong and they've lost someone and that's pretty freakin' scary stuff, it really really is. Some folks apparently care just a wee bit too much about their smartphones and are having some seriously messed up emotional reactions because of this situation and that's even more problematic.

There is one positive to keeping the Note 7: the person keeping one can say they have one.

Everything else is a negative at this point whether those persons admit it to themselves and accept it or not.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
As much as I understand from your point of view, and respect that, I also don't agree that everyone look upon their phones as just a phone. It could be a part, maybe not major, but still a part of their life. Some rely it more, some less. I don't dare say i speak for everyone.. but everyone's different. Respect and graciousness the word here.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
Here, we kind of agree on not being wise to believe all that media is leading us to... :)

No, I have nothing to do with Samsung in any way, I am just a user which has all the Note's versions...

I must confess that I kind of try to bend and twist a phone in the show-room ????, maybe not to the point to break it...

And, I would assume that the Samsung guys and the Consumer Protection, at least, would have tried to stress the phone in the most unusual ways... If Samsung would have kept quiet, the others are supposed not to be so quiet... :)

As for my Note 7 (one month with the original, few days with the replacement) I had no single issue and I am using it normally, like the previous versions. It never got warmer than 100 F / 38C, even in the most intensive benchmarks or during charging.

I am also waiting to hear an official statement from Samsung and, if the decision stays to cease production for good, I will have it refunded. I'll go back to my old Note 5.

In the mean time, I will continue to use the 7 normally, being amazed, for what it lasts, on how lucky I was to get 2 perfectly working phones... :)

For me, at least, no other phone currently on sale, is getting close to Note 7. I hope that Samsung would come in a month or two worth a Note 7x ('xPlosive' maybe :laugh:) with all the concerns cleared! I am sure that a lot of people would still buy it.

For the percentage of 0.000001%, sorry, put me to respect with the correct figure! :)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
saboteurs is taking a break , they gotten what they want , refunds , insurance , defaming a brand name ,etc
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] aengus4h:
Likely the initial "burst" as it were was from the units that were out of tolerance (or at the extreme edge of) enough to cause them to flame-out. As time goes those will fail first, then later as useage wear takes its toll on the non-failed ones out there, they will eventually also start to fail. Perhaps not as catastrophically but perhaps same or worse, nobody knows nor can predict.

A bit like changing light bulbs, you lob a batch into a building, some will fail sooner, rest will fail over a more prolonged period and probably many at a time.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
This.. shed some possible lights.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] doc_loco:
I think people are now generally being more careful with them. Not dropping them or not knocking them and possibly babying them. If it's all about tolerances then a simple drop could do enough to the batteries that are affected to cause it to either fail immediately or over time. The guy below fell off his bike and the impact was hard enough to blow up his iPhone so maybe there is something to this in addition to the x-rays of the batteries that we have now seen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36955531

In addition, something seems really fishy about the locale of these flame ratios. I'm in the UK and I don't think the rate is anything out of what is "expected" of a mass produced device. I think maybe one case in Scotland if that's official. Take out America from the equation and imagine the phone wasn't released to market with the SD820 variants I think these phones will still be in market today. Just a gut feeling. Shows how powerful America's media have become with regards to propaganda. Not to take away from the fact that this phone is dangerous but just in general that's what it seems to appear like.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
Still , all the drop tests made by guys from various countries (America included), dropping them from up to 1000 ft (300m), and none burst into flames...

Even, the one dropped from 1000ft, except from being cracked all over the place, was in perfect working condition... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDCurir7VQk

Maybe, all of them were so lucky to get good phones...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
It's not an issue of them being dropped, regardless of the height, it's how they actually hit the ground that matters more than you might believe.

I know of people - actual humans! - that have fallen from various heights and suffered no ill effects overall, from 10 feet to over 120 feet, onto various types of materials: concrete, steel, wood, sand, etc.

And yet I had an uncle who, in an attempt to fix a mirror in his bathroom, used one of those tiny kitchen-style step-stools that unfolds into 3 steps just to be able to reach a point on the wall of his bathroom that he couldn't reach by standing on the floor itself. He was on the second step, maybe a solid 13 inches off the actual floor when he slipped and hit/landed on the floor itself. He didn't hit the toilet unit, didn't hit the sink, didn't hit the hamper, in fact the only thing he hit from the stool to the floor was the floor itself.

Even so, in what some might consider a simple accident ending up causing irreparable damage to his spinal cord, rendered him a paraplegic at the age of 33, and changed his life in ways he never imagined in a fraction of a second all because of trying to hang a mirror.

Just because one or two or even a few dozen Note 7 devices can handle being dropped from somewhat questionable altitudes (it's all done primarily to garner views and make money more than anything else, let's be honest about that) doesn't mean the next one they might have tested wouldn't have failed completely.

Also, we're only seeing the unsuccessful attempts at destroying some phones - not always but sometimes all we get to see are the instances where the one device we get footage of doesn't fail and they don't go into how many other devices they destroyed just to get "the good stuff" recorded. ;)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MariusB:
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I am sorry for your uncle, this is really a terrible accident!

Still, among the few dozen phones, all fell on the 'proper' side... It really is chance!

And, why we take it so easy on these tests (few dozen, maybe, as you say, in not proper conditions, but still dropped from between 1m and 300m...) and we take it so 'letter to the law' the other few dozen with problems, about which we have no idea on the conditions (chargers, cables, playing foul, etc...)?

That is making me think that, sometimes, the odds are not so odd...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
I am very sorry to learn of your uncles accident. Horrendous story and puts our worries about the loss of a mobile phone into perspective.

As to these so called drop tests. They only hold value for me if when the said mobile is dropped the owner has the mobile in his hand! I have zero idea of what value these 'test' have except to make the poster a lot of money?

BTW have you noticed the reaction of those 'testers' when the phone breaks? They are so surprised? I always laugh at their stupidity but in my gut feel true sympathy for their ignorance.

Like driving ones new car into a brick wall to test the airbags then moaning about the damage to the car. The mind boggles.

Again, very sorry to learn about your uncle. That is serious.

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] XanaviGTR:
Sorry to hear bout your uncle too. Unfortunate. Hope that he recover soon.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] br0adband:
While I appreciate the kind words, that Uncle of mine passed away long ago (this accident I mentioned happened in the early 1980s) so, a long time passed. I was trying to make a point that in those drop tests they're very unscientific in the long run and they're not using controlled situations for testing. Proper "drop testing" would mean the devices are held in static position before the drop and then released in the exact same way each time which would provide the closest match in terms of how they impact the surface they're being dropped on.

Drop a smartphone perfectly flat on it's front or back and it'll more than likely just bounce, possible impact damage causing pits or scratches on the front or back, possibly causing the glass to crack or shatter. Drop one on the corner and you can expect to see impact damage on the corner itself, damage to the glass in a spider-web cracking style, a shifting of the frame or the components due to the offset impact force, and so on.

Some bonehead on YouTube looking for views tossing phones all over the place - it's not interesting, it's not scientific, and it doesn't actually matter in the long run. ;)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Fourstarzzzz:
I agree with this 100%. It is like what the media is doing now in the election. Seems like anybody with a pulse can come forward and claim Trump raped them 40 years ago and everyone believes it. The media is so bad today it makes me sick. Who is to say apple did not pay a few people to do something with their phones causing them to overheat? Maybe they installed something on it which made the phone do what it did. How would they even know since the phone is destroyed? What a coincidence that the iphone 7 was releasing right around the note 7. Really gets those neurons moving.