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[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
This sentence doesn't make any sense. The price has nothing to do with whether or not it is a "good" phone.

Quite frankly, the more I think about it, the more comfortable I am with the increased pricing. Over the years the Nexus sections of XDA have become overly saturated with kids whose parents bought their ~$350 phones for them and then they flood the Nexus sub-forums expecting to be spoon-fed everything without trying to learn things themselves from the plethora of guides and helpful posts readily available to them. All while refusing to contribute anything worthwhile to the community. It's gotten so bad that spending time in the Nexus forums has me wondering why I even bother anymore. Many developers have expressed the same feelings.

I'm really hoping the increased pricing of the Pixel phones will help keep the kids away and allow the Pixel forums to remain clean and full of people who actually like to contribute. Similar to how it was back in the early Nexus days.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] nuumuun:
htc 10 is awesome.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] CplBasti:
For me it has. Simply because the price–performance ratio is way too bad for those phones to be "good".

The Nexus phones were perfect in that aspect, as are most of the Honor phones for example. But again, this is just my opinion.

The kids you talk about will also pop up in the Pixel subforum. Just because they are expensive it doesn't mean parents won't buy those phones for the spoiled kids.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
I think you're confusing "good" with "worthwhile".

Good point about the kids. I'm being overly optimistic.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
no...no its not....average phone at best.

S7 or S7 edge is probaly the best right now especially if you get the exynos version.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] mario24601:
I'm thinking s7, what's the best version model number I should look for? I'm in US running in straight talk via AT&T.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
if you want to root and install custom roms any of the 930F or FD version will do. If you dont care about that then just get any of the U.S version.

if you get international version you will lose HD talk though...I dont care about that so YMMV
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] geekmax:
How about OnePlus 3?
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] andyrtr:
OP3 is just too large for some people. It's probably the best 5.5" device around and hacker friendly. If you want it smaller there is not much choice. I've just bought a 2nd Nexus 5x for my wife. It's pretty cheap here in Germany now. Alternative would be a Nextbit Robin or a Fairphone2. If you want it even smaller then there's only the Sony Xperia X compact.

Sadly there are not many options if you want an open hacker friendly phone around 5".

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5X mit Tapatalk
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] moriel5:
Unfortunately, the Librephone does not exist yet.

Although it may do so in the next few years.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Masteryates:
I'm coming from an LG G2 and also wanted the same sized phone. Even though its much taller, I went with the OP3 as its not much bigger in width than the G2. I'd recommend physically seeing the OP3 and asking yourself the question if width or length or both is important. (Just waiting for the snigers and dodgey comments here ;))
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] mario24601:
Thanks for the recommendation.

I just wish someone made a small phone. The 2013 Moto X was perfect size.

The OP looks interesting. Thinking I need to go with older devices like OPX or even S5.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] killmar:
prices are insane

but still I'll buy one
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] daniel4653:
At the end if the day, if someone wants to spend $1000 on the Pixel XL or and iPhone 7 they are free do so.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] mario24601:
Agree 100%, I'm a very light user so don't need crazy power. I think I'm going older device route instead. Or if splurge would go s7
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Abaddon:
I probably will get this phone by 2017 or 2016. or maybe not. a big disappointmen tbh. im gonna stick with my oneplus 3
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] smirkis:
everyone in here complaining to justify why you didn't buy it, you're a joke. this thread in the pixel section is a joke. why do people feel the need to come into phone specific forums, to brag about your old device and why you think it is superior to this and try to convince us pixel purchasers or owners or soon to be owners as if your words will actually sway us away from it? LOL

If you don't like the device, meh. don't buy it.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] dbrohrer:
Completely agree. I'm getting tired of sifting through the BS in order to find valuable information in the Pixel / Pixel XL forums. I am excited for this phone and frankly I don't give a crap if you aren't. Go back to your respective forum and brag about your phone there.

Google DOESN'T OWE you this phone with the specs that you expect. It doesn't matter if you have bought every nexus since 20XX. They have announced a product that they think is good. If you want to support their current approach, buy it. If you don't, show your lack of support by NOT buying it. If no one buys it, it will flop.

My money has preordered 2 Pixels (1 32gb and 1 128gb). I can't wait for Oct. 20. My 6p, 5x, and N6 are all sold and shipped off.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] donutman:
Seriously, coming into the pixel section you would think that nobody likes this phone. And if you buy it you are a dumbass. Even in comment sections of the pixel articles. All from people who don't even have he phone LOL. Whatever. Can't wait for these to ship out!
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] fitchpuckman:
head over to the shipping discussion(s)...lots of us frantically awaiting the device and obsessing over every second of the way until we get our hands on our new toys!! I'm personally pumped, screw all the negativity and whining, the phones are gonna be just sick.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] mariano3113:
I would have gotten a OnePlus 3 if it was supported on my Carrier (Sprint)

As for claiming Google just now got up to "overpriced" devices.

Up until last generation Nexus 5x/6P; Nexus prices were about 50% Value priced and 50% expensive

Nexus One was $529 at launch with limited Carrier Support

Nexus S was also $529 with limited Carrier Support

Galaxy Nexus was a mess but was $399, but arguably was the worst supported Nexus device with crazy fragmentation between variants.

Nexus 4 followed with $299 entry price point, but again limited Carrier Support and missing official LTE support even though some Galaxy Nexus devices supported LTE.

Nexus 5 at $349 entry point was a great bargain especially, only left Verizon out as far as NA carrier support.

Nexus 6 with $649 entry price was expensive. Device was pretty heavily marketed as Google's attempt at Flagship competition with Carrier variations.

Now the odd generation:

Nexus 5X would have been a downgrade for a Nexus 6 user/owner in terms of stats. But at $579 it was a marginal upgrade to 2013 Nexus 5.

Nexus 6P with $499 (32GB) entry price was a return to reasonable pricing with Flagship specs and build.l, acting as a successor to the Nexus 6 from previous year. The 128GB was $649 launch price which was a better value than similar launch price but only 32GB for Nexus 6 (64GB model was $699)

So balance was 3 budget value and 3 high priced until Nexus 5x/6P and the. Pricing was technically mixed as a fully optioned Nexus 6P was same expensive starting price of Nexus 6.

Now my personal take on the Pixel and Pixel XL in comparison:

Pixel to me is a worthy upgrade to 2013 Nexus 5: twice the Ram, change from 32bit to 64bit and for me double the starting storage from 16GB to 32GB. Not to mention all the other newer tech goodies in exchange for Wireless charging. (& technically OIS)

-I'll say price wise it is worth it for people that are moving from 2013 Nexus 5, but not for people that purchased a device in the previous 2 years.

Pixel XL is the harder sell to me: I can't justify it over the Nexus 6P and would recommend skipping the larger device this year and waiting until 2017. To me the Pixel XL at launch price is expensive for a slight improvement over the already Flagship level Nexus 6P. So for Nexus 6 users looking for a new Google device the 6P is a much better value than Pixel XL.

I really think it would have been easier to justify prices if Google only had the 128GB models at the entry pricing: so Pixel @$649 for 128Gb and Pixel XL @ $769. (no other options)

Even then I would still have trouble recommending Pixel XL over Nexus 6P.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
The price of the phone is the tough sell for most, especially when you truly consider what the phone offers compared to others on the market. I have a 128GB Pixel on order, myself. However, I'm still considering canceling it.

As I wait for the Pixel to ship, I continue happily using my OnePlus 3 and it's getting increasingly difficult for me to see the added value that the Pixel phone is going to give me. Especially when I factor in the $750 I'll be paying for it. The biggest benefit for me is that it will be a smaller phone and easier to use one handed. Aside from that, I can't think of any big selling points that the Pixel has over what I've got. (i.e. great camera, great internal specs, excellent screen, very fast fingerprint sensor etc.)

Plus, I'm still not sure why Google continues to use the on screen nav-bar. In my opinion, this is one thing OnePlus and Samsung have progressed over the Nexus/Pixel line. Both OnePlus and Samsung make great use of the bottom bezel by moving the nav-bar into that area. It provides more screen real estate and incorporates the finger print sensor/home button perfectly. Google's use of the on screen nav-bar makes the large bottom bezel seem even more pointless and more of an eyesore, to me.

[MENTION=2006932]mariano3113[/MENTION] nailed it on the head with their post. If you are coming from a Nexus 5 or older phone, the upgrade is worth it. If you have a more recent device that has similar specs, the cost just doesn't seem worth it.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] thesebastian:
I love the Pixel and I will upgrade in a future. But no at this price. I don't think this price is good for a phone with 24 months EOL.

The main advantage against the 5X is the RAM. The rest is secondary. Camera doesn't seem much better imo (Even the old 5 had an excellent camera).

Anyway...if Amazon has this phone in the future at 450£-500£ I think I will switch. But 600£ for 24 months EOL it's not acceptable to me.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Qbancelli:
Welcome to the broke people thread!

Nothing sadder than phone geeks that can't afford the latest devices.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] cswithxda:
Lone gone the good days of N5. Quality was ****ty but it was perfectly acceptable because it was dirt cheap and overall a good package. I was happy 95% of the time except for when the loose/crappy vibrator was louder than the ringtone. Thinking of it right now I feel happy! $399, 5-inch, customizable Navbar. What more should I ask for.

Then there's N6. Expensive, yet same ****ty vibrator. Screw bezel ratio. What's good of a phone if the vibration noise is loud enough to wake everyone in a room when I'm typing on a phone? This time I couldn't stand it, because it was damn expensive.

Then there's good N6p, finally feeling a perfect vibration in my hand, solid yet silent. At a reasonable price. If only it was 5-inch.

From past experiences, I can't get pixel. My cheapass nature tells me I will be so mad if this phone disappoints me in a way that I would have had no problem if it was dirt cheap. Plus, the pricing reminds me of the tick tock model. Maybe I should hope for a dirt cheap pixel the following round. Let's see in 52 weeks.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Sachinfan:
I mentioned this in note-7 section that, in less than 5 months from now all major OEM's will be coming out with new phones which will make this highly priced hardware second best or third best in the market.

S7 edge or htc-10, take your pic, do everything equally well with significantly lower price or even better. The pixel has 2 "special" qualities ;

1. Nougat ( htc,samsung,lg will do it in upcoming months of latest flagships)

2. pixel launcher with AI powered assistant. ( Now, now yeah the google assistant sounds great but does it have real world usage? Yes, only if you are comfortable at talking to your phone all day long. Eg: office - can you bark orders to your phone all day long and nobody minds? Ans: No)

So, if you consider the above points I can't seem to recommend pixel over s7 edge or htc-10 etc.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
Give it a rest. Some of us make well over 6 figures a year. Being financially wise doesn't equate to being broke. Go troll somewhere else.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] dbrohrer:
I don't think that the S7 edge or HTC10 do everything equally as well. Both phones, while good in many ways, have their issues. I have not seen prices that I would consider "significantly" lower (in the US at least). The best deal I saw was HTC10 directly from HTC on sale for $549. $100 less than a Pixel for 7 month old phone with last years version of Android, meh. I'm not sure where your rationalization on price compared to Pixel is coming from.

If you wait 5-6 months, there is always going to be a better phone that hits the market. If I wait for the S8 / HTC11, all I have to do is wait 5-6 months after that for the next iteration of the Pixel!!! But then maybe I should wait for the S9... Geez

I place a lot of importance on software updates. Also, although I have not had the pleasure of trying a Pixel out in hand, it looks as though they have made serious strides in minimizing touch latency and lag. Give me a well made device, make it feel fast and fluid in my hand (screw benchmarks), promise me updates and actually deliver on that promise, have good standby battery drain (I'm really hoping for this one), and you can have my money. Samsung / HTC cannot promise me these things unless I buy their newest phone each year, and even then I still won't get everything I'm asking for. While I do buy a new phone more than once a year, I am not going to show my support (my money) for companies that abandon their customers 10-12 months in. I've learned that lesson the hard way. And the whining Nexus users... I had a 5x and a 6p. I'm so over all of the complaining. Every Nexus phone is still going to get support and updates for the time Google promised. Just because they are shifting their strategy and trying to compete in a market that Nexus never had a chance in, doesn't mean that you got burned. Go buy any other OEM Android and see what getting burned really feels like.

I'm excited for this this week! I'm hoping that we start seeing hands on reviews from all of the android news sites and I cannot wait to get my Pixel. I really hope the user experience is as quality as it has the potential to be.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] rosswaa:
So you bore the rest of us who are getting the phone with your "price is took damnnn high" rubbish?

Cheers

I can't wait to get the phone. Which personally for a high end device that I use more than any other bit of tech I own I'd consider it quite well priced
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
Like I said previously, I still have the phone on order. I too am excited to get it but I'm still open to discuss the fact that the high price definitely makes the purchase harder to grasp than it was with lower priced Nexuses of the past. Obviouly there are a few people who feel that way. If you don'e want to read about people discussing the price (good or bad) then stop coming back to this thread. :rolleyes:
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] rosswaa:
It keeps poping up in emails lol I like a scan through and a quick fire reply once in a while to keep things amusing

Anything thats not on straight up android is a no so thats HTC and Samsung out of the question . I'm really hating the OnePlus 2 ATM even though thats pretty stock
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
:laugh: I get that. Yeah, my wife's S7 is an awesome phone but there is no way I could use a non-pure Android phone on a daily basis. The OnePlus 3 has been excellent but the real draw to the Pixel for me is the smaller size. The more I think about it, getting top specs in a 5" pure Android phone is a huge selling point for the Pixel and that alone makes justifying the price much easier.

I'm really starting to look forward to making Google Assistant part of my daily routine as well. I think it's really going to change the way I use my phone.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] rosswaa:
Ahhh someone that gets my way of thinking lol I've been saying I wanted a 5" phone for ages. The nexus 5 was brilliant in it's day and the perfect size but there hasn't been any top specced phones this size for a long time.

I'm fed up with having to stretch and nearly dropping the phone on my face when being lazy on the couch having the swipe down for notifications being a slight bit out of reach and having to do a shimmy. Just want a top specced phone at the smaller size now
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
100% agreed. This conversation just made me significantly more excited for the phone to arrive.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] rosswaa:
Sometimes I sit and hold its case, just waiting patiently for the day to come. Hopefully Thursday it will have the phone in it lol
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] :
There is a difference between "can't" and "won't". In this thread, it looks more like "won't".
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] thesebastian:
Anyone here (Nexus/Pixel users) tried an iPhone recently? (iOS with Google suite apps: Chrome...Photos..... Hangouts..etc).

Both the Pixel 32GB and the iPhone 7 32GB cost £600. So, it sounds tempting to try iOS with Gapps for a year and sell it at good price next year and come back to Android. (Pixel will probably have a big cut in a year. That's what Google always do). Please consider that I've never used iOS and I don't want to stop using Google Sync.

Sent from my Nexus 5X
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] mario24601:
The only reason I won't go back to iPhone is lack of back button. In Android it's something simple and we take for granted but this truly is a deal breaker for me.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] sn0warmy:
In post #11 of this thread I discussed having purchased the iPhone 7 myself. I ended up returning it when I ordered the Pixel. The new iPhone really is a great phone. It has excellent build quality, a great screen, solid battery life and a very good camera. I also really like the new static home button. If you use one of the newer Macbook Pros with the force touch track pad or the stand alone Magic Trackpad 2, you'll find the feel of pressing the home button on the iPhone 7 to be very similar.

The two big gripes I had with the iPhone are the 4.7" screen, which is just a tad too small and... IOS. The 4.7" screen size is baffling to me considering that according to GSM Arena, the iPhone only has a 65% screen-to-body ratio. After using a Nexus 6P, 5X, OnePlus 3 etc., the iPhone feels like it has a lot of wasted space that should be occupied by a larger screen. I really think they could have gotten a 5" screen into the same size body. For reference, the OnePlus 3 has a screen-to-body ratio of 73%, the Nexus 6P is 71% and even the new Google Pixel is at 69%, even with the large bezels. (It's worth mentioning that the Pixel XL actually has a 71% screen-to-body ratio)

And then there is IOS. The iPhone's operating system is extremely polished and works as flawlessly as expected. My big gripe with it is the lack of customization. If you are used to Nexus devices and being able to customize it to your liking, you will probably hate IOS. It's just so boring because you can't customize anything aside from moving some icons around.

I will say that if Apple allowed it's users to customize the icons by making them smaller and possibly even changing out icon packs, they would probably make more long term customers out of people like myself. But as a tech person, I love tinkering. And the iPhone doesn't accommodate that whatsoever.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] jeffonion:
I'm so agree with you. I really want to see those guys complaining all the time go buy some phone else(and come back complaining phone laggy no update bugs blah blah, when don't want to pay to get what they want. They think Google developer don't need get paid , Google need no budget to marketing the phone). I am done with my sd version galaxy s7 edge. I have never seen any phone slower than this one ever, using this phone as a GPS is a major pain, phone got hot like boom , sluggish performance , even turn on an of wifi make phone dropped frames, I mean drop 40 frames out of 60 fps what it suppose to have. I can't believe a phone this year still deal with performanc problem.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] emmawilliam834:
Good news
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] thesebastian:
Ok! I'll try the iPhone 7 at the store, but so far you've convinced me to remain with the 5X and wait for the Pixel...

I still don't like the current price of the pixel ONLY because of the 24 months EOL and the historic Google's phones (Nexus) depreciation.

I'll end up with a Pixel but maybe next year. I hope Pixel performance is not just a little better than the 5X. (For instance lately when I'm slow-scrolling in Google+ I have a lot of random micro stutters).

Sent from my Nexus 5X
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
According to the early reviews going up, looks like it FLIES.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] rosswaa:
Ive been watching the reviews and I'm well excited. Can't wait to get off the OnePlus 2
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] VOLTAGEROCK:
Nothing like generalities from an idiot.

That's not the point at all. How do you know what people can afford or not? I guarantee I have way more money than you'll ever have and I'm still awaiting to see if this phone is worth it.

Coming from the 5X, how, aside from the 4gb of RAM, can someone justify paying $849 plus a case and intelliarmor screen protector getting to $900? Wtf! Google really pissed off a lot of people.

So as far as a money issue, I don't think so as financing is available for 2 years for those who don't have the full amount up front.

There's nothing wrong with waiting to see hands on reviews and waiting longer for a price drop which I guarantee will happen.

I'm not even quite sure what point you're trying to make with your post.

Sent using my 5X on XDA