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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] alexjzim:
Didn't mean to derail. If it helps, I am definitely on the edge of returning, and just repairing my HTC M9 with UH Oh :p.

Have you considered the Lenovo phab pro 2? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/tango/

it seems to meet a lot of your requirements, as google's new experimental phone, whereas the pixel tries to be a android iphone
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Now that is big lol I have a Motorola nexus 6 also. That is a bit behind in processors I like the latest tech. I would buy anything less than having an 820 but 2017 is coming and bringing the 830 with it. And Htc phones have the most dev following and I need my custom rom and mods. I love my unlocked Htc 10 just want a bigger screen and Htc wont make a bigger USA model.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] undertaker2k14:
Pixel C wifi bug is still very much alive and present, despite attempts by Google to bury it. Everyday new users post about it and are surprised to find that it still exists.Sad state of affairs.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Byrdman10:
Smart choice. One should never buy first generation hardware.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
The SD card slot is not part of a typical flagship phone, at least not entirely. It just recently came back to Samsung.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kboya:
I've cancelled mine for much the same reasons. Just not worth it and (as [MENTION=6194354]undertaker2k14[/MENTION] mentions), my experience with the Pixel C gives me cause for concern that El Goog haven't nailed this thing yet. YMMV.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] buckless:
i agree ....very expensive .but i am switching to project fi and willsave probably $600 in a year....wonder why no one else has brought this angle into play????
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] thecycle:
I did the same thing. The OnePlus 3 has 6GB ram and will most likely be implemented in the next Pixel phone in 2017. I'm using the OnePlus One for now but my new investment is the OnePlus 3.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Hoodeddeathman:
I'm not sold on the RAM argument, My 6P has been on for several days of use and my average usage is 1.6GB of 3GB currently at 1.8GB can't say I've ever noticed any slow down because I'm 3GB short of RAM.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] thecycle:
Yeah the 6P is still a good phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lordred12345:
Oh dear why so much bezel ????
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
The only problem with the 6P is it overheats and throttles too easily. I have never even played a game on mine, so it is during daily use. If I browse the web for say an hour or so straight, or use the phone outside on a warm day, or any use when charging the phone (or if I just took it off the charger from fast charging in the 0-70% range), it will noticeably hiccup at times.

Honestly, I wish the 6P would have been the Pixel XL, with the XL's latest improvements and specs. I absolutely love its design, screen size, and speakers which made the bezel side and symmetry just fine. I think Google added this massive chin to keep symmetry, but ****... totally not worth it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] uploder:
You have some good points. If I had a 6p I wouldnt upgrade either but I have a N6. The XL is a worthy upgrade from that even at this price point. Project Fi + google financing this was a no brainer.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
Add OIS, update the CPU and design slightly, better build quality and the 6P easily beats the Pixel. The 6P is almost on par with the Pixel as it is.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
The record proves otherwise as Htc has included them for years so has Motorola and Samsung has now been too there the mid range ones do too. This has been the case for years as the top makers all tried leaving them out just to being them back because they pissed off too many buyers that use sd card slots this is the exact reason Samsung brought them back the s5 had it then s6 didn't now s7 does so one year Samsung didn't with the s6 and went right back the next year to having the sd card slot like the other makers did too. So the record shows that most flagship phones do have sd card slots and Google should have added one.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
iPhones have never had them along with the past handful of Nexus phones.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
If you need more space than 128GB, I guess the SD would be important... I don't need that, so to me it is not a 'feature' as it isn't something I would use.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] m3lover1:
I had bought both of them brand new after the note 7 had the recall to see if I will like either 1 of these 2 phones; if I didn't then I would have gotten back to the note 7. I ended up returning both the note 7 and axon 7.

While I liked the dual speakers of axon 7 and the display, as I haven't used 1080p screen since the LG G3 debuted it, there were some software quirks that kind of turned me off. The capacitative keys killed it for me too as the keys were spaced too close together and wasn't lit up at night. The look, feel, and how easily I rooted and flashed roms on the oneplus 3 was the main reason I kept the OP3.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
The LG G3 was one of the first 2k mainstream phones.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] m3lover1:
Exactly. Might be the first iirc, but not entirely sure on that. After switching to the G3 with the 2k screen, all the phones I've used after were also 2k screen, save for iPhone 6s plus (momentarily forgot I had it) I've used for couple months. Coming back to 1080p OP3 I'm not too bothered by the 1080p. Difference is there, but not big enough for me to consider the axon 7, and other factors were able to sway me to keep the OP3 in lieu of note 7
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SlyUK:
Which rom/kernel are you currently using on your OP3 ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] m3lover1:
Resurrection Remix BJRR version with Ex Kernel.

P. S. Sorry for OT
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
It's not just about that. With an SD card, you essentially pay for memory once. If you get in the habit of buying 128GB+ phones, you're buying the same storage (albeit upgraded speedwise, negligible for media) over and over each purchase. You buy one sd card and can put it in any phone/tablet/computer you choose.

An iPhone plus/Pixel XL 128-256GB purchaser is paying $900+ for every device. At least with the iPhone, they have great resale value. Most Android phones value drops like a rock.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zeflun:
Wouldn't dedicated memory be faster indexed and making it faster access. Yes you could purchase storage once but when a faster card comes out its normally what people upgrade to. You don't see anyone with a high end 32gb sd card from 2011 still running it.

Also the reason Samsung went back to the sd card was because they noticed a big drop in that sector of their business. Making people happy was just a side effect. And from what I've seen their phones aren't any cheaper having less storage.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Exactly, plus every time you view or use your on line files you either use mobile data or home internet data which a lot of home internet plans now have data caps or get charged extra per gb used. Then also files on sd card are more secure where on line storage is not completely safe and could be hacked and or lost. Also on your device it uses less battery power to view your files on sd card over the extra battery power drain using on line storage to access your files. So sd card slots do have have a lot of advantages over on line storage more than just security.

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Faster yes, plus with an sd card slot you can easily get by with 32 gig internal storage, and you can even format your sd card as internal memory with some smartphones.

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Are you not going to miss the 6 inch screen and dual stereo speakers of your n6 ? I have a n6 and an unlocked Htc 10. Its so hard to get use to a smaller screen after you have had a n6 plus the stereo speakers.

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But iphone buyers have always had out of date tech, look how long they took to get 4g data, where android had 4g data with the Htc evo 4g how many years prior to apple getting any kind of 4g. Htc, samsung, Motorola and Lg devices have been running sd card slots for many years, Htc m7, m8, m9, 10 samsung s5, note 4, s7, s7 edge, note 7, Lg g4, g5, v10, v20 and many Motorola models most moto series have them. Pretty sure that list is correct at least 95% plus there are many more I did not list.

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I would like those updates to my n6 and I would run it lol, well the update cpu and OIS part and add more ram and I would be :D
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mixedguy:
I have a N6 and personally don't see the big deal about stereo speakers, yes they give a better sound stage but overall all phone speakers are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sound quality, in comparison to others forms of hardware that produce sound. Even my TVs built in speakers sounds better than both my N6 and my brothers 6P and no one's amazed at my TVs speakers because there is nothing amazing about them.

When I want to be immersed in sound quality while watching a movie or playing a game on my phone, I use quality headphones. I use the phone speakers too but I find nothing special about them, they just sound like the tiny speakers that they are. I'm not saying there aren't phones with better sound quality but it's like being the best of the worst.

For the reasons above, having stereo speakers alone is personally not enough to make me choose one phone over a another that just has a single speaker. I just don't see enough value in a extra phone speaker to persuade me to look past another phone with a single speaker.

If a phone happens to have stereo speakers with other features I want then that's cool but alone it's just not a must have feature to me, to each their own though.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] neo905:
I just need the speakers loud and clear in noisy environments. That is where it comes in handy.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
I understand that repurchasing the storage is important to you.

It is NOT important to me, and I would rather have faster internal storage than a memory card that is portable between devices.

That's my opinion. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but it also does not mean I'm wrong.

So you're not going to convince me you are right, as I disagree. And I'm not trying to convince you. Not sure why your so emphatic that your position on this is so important.... It is subjective and what is important to people is different.

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Why are you listening to the speakers in loud environments, making the environment even louder???

If listening to music, use headphones (or wait until later). If on a call, hold the phone to your ear like it was designed for...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
Your wasting your time with these people. They are clinging on to gimmicks and dying form factors. Its called the cloud. That's even easier than transferring crap between cards and if you drop it in a lake, well it's right there on the cloud waiting for you. And for some reason they can't understand that google figured out how to use the gyroscope and software to eliminate the need for OIS. Not that there is a need for OIS as a feature. The pixel camera didn't get the highest rated camera, even higher than those with OIS, for no reason. And I agree. Speakers are speakers. They all sound like crap no matter if there are 2 or one. Two doesn't mean it's any louder or any clearer. Again, it's just a gimmick to sell phones. It doesn't add anything special.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
Even outside of any individual feature, my point is that the value of any feature is an opinion. People seem to get all bent out of shape if a device doesn't have a feature they want. And they get even more incensed if others don't care about a particular feature they like/need, which is bizarre (almost psychotic) in my opinion.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
I hear ya. People are entitled to their opinion. A certain user in this thread though won't rest though until he has shoved his opinions down everyone's throat who doesn't share his/her view. You nailed it on the head, it is psychotic. LOL.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] neo905:
I didn't say I listened in loud environments like I am at a rock concert. I use the speakerphone a lot and I don't like straining to hear the other person even if I am in my office or my workshop completing a task that requires me to be hands free . Besides, don't tell me how to use my phone dude. lol. Not everyone wants to hold it to their ears. It is "designed" with a speakerphone for a reason.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
I don't care if you agree with me and you're correct, neither of us are wrong. Calling us psychotic for stating our opinion is silly though. Anyone who sits around and never argues what they want, will never get what they want. I'd also say, it is fighting a lost cause with Google since SD cards won't make them any money. It is a business at the end of the day. I was simply stating that there are more reasons to having an sd card than wanting more than 128GB. Every time someone mentions sd cards, people assume actual storage capacity is the only reason we want it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] md1008:
Didn't cancel my order, but was approved for $1k and decided Na, I don't need this now. There really isn't anything compelling at this strong point. The Pixle just seems like an OEM no different than Samsung. Also I think iPhone 7 has more value at the price point.

I am probably going to get HTC 11 when it drops
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
I didn't call anyone psychotic for stating their opinion. I only said that it is psychotic if you state an opinion over and over and won't let it go or expect sympathy or agreement. I'm not calling anyone anything, just pointing that out... It can apply as fits.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Some people are psychotic because they keep saying over and over and over that they think that sd card slots do not matter, or that good audio stereo speakers do not matter. You have stated your opinion over and over and over to numerous others just on this last page alone. You yourselves are doing what you blame others for, which is you are trying to shove your opinions down others throats about sd card slots dont matter and speakers dont and to most they do, just because you want to use unsafe on line storage. Most of us are not so clumsy that we would drop our phone in a lake lol, and use that as an excuse not to use sd cards lol now that is just too funny lol.

Your the ones going off topic as this thread is about canceling orders and the reasons why, your praise of the device is off topic...

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I really doubt samsung added sd card slots back because of their sd card sales going down. Htc tried the same leaving the sd card slot out in the rezound and they went back to having it ever since on the flagship phones M7, M8, M9 and Htc 10 and Motorola has left them out in the past and pretty much every Motorola smartphone anymore has an sd card slot see the Moto series.

And Htc and Motorola to the best of my knowledge do not make or sell sd cards.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] md1008:
I appreciate SD card like any other red blooded nerd. But arguing it's benefit for a Google made phone (Nexus/Pixle) is foolish. May as well cry about pixle not having iMessage
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Your entitled to your opinion as anyone is, but I would have to disagree for the pure fact that its bad press for this device. People read these posts and seeing whats its missing will get less people to buy and more to cancel their orders and wait for google to lower the price to reflect what is missing. I would like the price lowered because I would buy one but the cost is way to high for the features missing, not that its not a good phone just not good enough for that price. If it had the sd card slot and stereo speakers like the Htc 10 then I would pay their asking price but as it is its over priced. Google only listens to a hit to their wallet, so it mentioning whats missing keeps that topic going and hurts sales and hitting googles wallet can impact how they decide on what features to not leave out of the next model or models of phone. If people do not keep it up then too many uninformed people will buy just like iphone people do blind buying just off of name alone and not what the product actually is.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mixedguy:
Stereo speakers may come back but I doubt a SD card support will ever be in a Pixel phone. Google believes in the cloud too much to add a SD card to their devices, that's pretty much the reasons why SD card support never came back to Nexus devices.

There's pros and cons to both the cloud and local storage like SD cards. SD cards allow you to add more storage to your phone and has the benefit of not having to use your wifi or carrier data to access your files, media, etc. But at the same time, a SD card wont protect you from losing you files, media, etc, if the SD card happens to fail or when you lose your phone.

Cloud storage has the benefit of keeping your files, media, etc in a safe place just in case your phone gets lost or your SD card becomes corrupt but uses online data to access and upload.

So yeah, there is pros and cons for both but obviously Google feels the future is headed towards the cloud and I'm betting that's what they are going to stick with for the foreseeable future. The majority or people use their phone storage for pictures and videos, so Google offering full resolution back up to the cloud for pictures and videos free on Pixel phones can be seen as a feature in its self.

You have to remember, Google is a software company at heart, so a lot of features for Pixel phones will come in software form. It's one advantage they have over hardware based vendors, Google knows software and and has vision that software (A.I., Cloud based storage, etc) will be at the forefront of future technology.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
Only thing is the other phones have sd card slots for a reason. Yeah Google never added them to Nexus devices since the first Nexus, but then again did Nexus sales ever reach anywhere near what Google wanted did they ? The answer is no, proof is in their not putting out Nexus phones this time of the year as they usually do.

The Nexus line didnt profit them enough, so now they want to go after flagship phones sales, but yet they leave out features that most others have. They can push on line storage all they want but they cant push it down peoples throats, others tried that being Htc, samsung and Motorola and they all went back to including expandable storage. You would think Google would have learned from other mistakes and actually given in and give people what they want as it would have increased their sales.

So from a business point of view Google really screwed up as they could have easily have given the customers what they want but chose not to.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] F4M0U569:
The Pixel XL 128GB costs the same price as the iPhone 7 Plus 128GB and more than the Galaxy Note 7!? Give me a break. With that large bottom bezel, there should have been front facing speakers or the fingerprint scanner moved to the front of the phone. The black color model is the only one that's tolerable. The other models look like cheap phones made by and sold at Walmart or other bargain cellular phone resellers. The Galaxy Note 7 and the iPhone 7 Plus are still the top cell phones for 2016. Smart move by tmo to not waste shelf space on this loser.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Stephen:
Moderator Warning,

Flaming other users is not acceptable on XDA. If it continues this thread will be closed.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
Curious, how does any of this make sense? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the way it sounds to me is you're comparing three flagship devices with almost equal build design (bottom firing speakers, display size, processors etc..) but out of the group only Google really dropped the ball and falls into being classified as a "loser" device..To add, most of those who have had hands on time with the device think it looks a little too much like the iPhone 7...

Again, maybe I misinterpreted something.. ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
banning flamers would be better than closing the thread in my opinion
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
There is one member really that is at the core of all the problems. It's a shame mods have to make quick decisions on editing and don't always get the big picture. They have enough to do though. I doubt babysitting adults is that much fun. The manner in which a member talks to other people is really everything. It's unfortunate those that tend to start these arguments always play the victim when it's actually all them. It wasn't until someone was put in their place that they ran off to tattle. If the mods read this entire thread, which I don't expect, they would see the one playing the victim is actually the one starting fights with everyone. It makes people who can talk to each other in a mature manner not want to post. Bullies are taking over the Internet. Simply by wearing the rest of us down.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
I'm very interested in the dual partition / background updates. I HATE waiting for app optimizing after each months security updates...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] fineazbro:
I change phone every year paying almost $1000 for 'this wonder how much I lost if I decide to sell it
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
Am I missing something? Where is it selling for $1000? Or are people rounding up to overstate it from $870 for the 120 GB?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] carrilloevo:
I believe people is adding the 2 years protection plan. That's when round up to 993
[Moto G 2015 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] melp57:
I go back and forth trying new roms, and was wondering if there is a way to have all phone settings backed up so I don't have to keep setting everything up again. I did make a update. Zip to restore all user apps. Have sync with Google, but the restore does not seem to bring everything back.

Thanks
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] sethwalters:
UPDATE: Droid Life confirms unlocked Pixel works on Verizon. :good:

I just wanted some clarification on this. :confused:

I've been getting some conflicting information around this question, so I wanted to post it here in case anyone knows.

Can the unlocked Pixel purchased from the Google Store be used on Verizon?

I bought the 5X and 6P unlocked from the Google Store and have used them both on Project Fi and Verizon. I just wanted to know if I could do the same with the Pixel.

Thanks and sorry if this has been explained clearly elsewhere.