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[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Just to comment on the July Security OTA patch roll-out; it's been in the pipeline for several weeks and

is not

a response to this petition.

http://www.theandroidsoul.com/moto-g3-update​
[Moto G 2015 General] MrWilsonxD:
A phone that came out last year not receiving software updates? Are you kidding? I am definitely advocating for the Moto G 2015, to get Nougat! Motorolla devices look tempting, I thought of picking one up, but I am holding off on it until Moto G gets Nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] piotr_cz:
They released an update to Marshmallow and stop caring.

Latest available android update on my device is 6.0 (January 2016), OTA doesn't work properly (USB sticks require external power :rolleyes:), there is no support for Camera2 API.

If you want up to date software in Lenovomoto, you have to buy new phone every 6 months.

Looks like typical example of planned obsolence to me.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
It would not be so bad if the pricing of Moto G remained as it began with 1st Gen. But Moto G3 ended up being a real cash-cow; considerably more expensive than it's predecessors and with less after sales support. They exploited both the Moto G name for all it was worth, and the markets it was originally aimed at - people with generally less disposable income.

The very people who made them so much profit and who cannot afford to upgrade their handset every year - they have now abandoned.
[Moto G 2015 General] rane1810:
i m in
[Moto G 2015 General] Tanner1294:
And as someone who owns the first gen and 3rd I can tell you: It's garbage. Poor build quality, spongy feeling cheap plastic, the display has a diamond like pattern across it (not super noticeable if you've used it for a while, but most other phones don't have it and it makes it super obvious), negligibly more powerful than the first (It can play Angry Birds 1 just fine but 2 has graphics that are too intense for it. Seriously, Angry Birds.), the battery size difference isn't noticeable since it dies just as quick even in your pocket. Oh and it's ugly. It looks wicked cheap compared to the first gen. I regret spending a penny on that phone when Chinese OEM's have made much more wonderful devices for the same price.
[Moto G 2015 General] jseymour:
I wonder if you guys aren't talking about the 4th Gen. devices?

I have a 3rd Gen. Moto G. So does my wife. Mine replaced my 1st Gen. Moto G. Other than the fact Lenovorola cheaped-out and removed Band 12 support: I really have no complaints about this phone. Build quality seems fine. Performance is much better. Battery life is about the same.

Cost? I paid $200 for my 1st Gen. LTE in September, 2014. I paid $180 for my wife's 3rd Gen., 8GB model a year later. I paid $145 for my 16GB model just a couple months ago.
[Moto G 2015 General] Tanner1294:
Definitely third gen. 2015, fat and white like me. I bought the phone before Lenovo said they were thinking of killing off the G line entirely. Part of what disappoints me about it so much is that I paid $200 for it and $200 for my OPX after I ruined the cell radio on the G (not it's fault, but I do partially blame Motorola for that haha) and the X is a much nicer phone. Better build, beautiful design (I know it's kind of generic but I do actually like that), much faster SnapDragon 801 that seems to draw less power than the supposedly power sipping SoC in the G and a gorgeous AMOLED display. And it's extremely developer friendly with an easy to unlock bootloader and a warranty that covers hardware faults with the unlocked bootloader.
[Moto G 2015 General] abhijeetm31:
Agreed i am in! We deserve Update! We want Nougat! <3
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I've personally followed the price of this handset since it's release.

Current EU Amazon prices for 8GB Model: http://www.curiua.com/p/motorola-mo...ed-4g-lte-single-sim-cell-phone/6947681526143

The 1st Gen had carrier discounts that brought the price down to around €100 within weeks of it's initial release. Obviously there have been deals for Moto G3, but overall it's been a more expensive handset (no carrier discount until very recently) and even today it is still over-priced for it's real-world value.
[Moto G 2015 General] Agu_Ra:
I have bought my Moto G 3rd Gen recently. The main reason for getting this phone was Moto's good support like first and second generation G had. I could afford Xiaomi Redmi 3 Pro with much better specs for the same price. Paying more for better support is sane choice, I thought. But Lenovo just f***ed that up with their greedy decision. I'm among those users who prefer running the latest version of Android. I hoped to use only stock firmware until the end of life cycle because (at least on Moto) it is greatly optimized but now I am forced to use either stock or CM14 with semi-broken camcorder (hey, but I don't want my just bought device to be not fully functional, yet I want to run the latest OS version). Now I kind of regret for my choice as I feel like I am deceived. They made new G model (Play) with the specs that are worse than 3rd Gen 2/16 model (lower CPU clock and far worse camera) and selling it for nearly the same price as our device has now. They could just continue selling 3rd G and continue its support but they decided to make entire new device with downgraded specs for no real reason. Maybe that's a marketing driven decision, yet it seems quite silly.
[Moto G 2015 General] Akane23:
I asked them on Twitter and they told me they will soon update all their eligible devices as soon as possible.

But no reply since when asked that is moto G turbo really getting nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] vaibhavkadam:
I'm in.

Thank you
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
Silence...

Is there any hope... ? ... ?
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Articles (1, 2) were written about Motorola / Lenovo over a year ago trying to resolve this situation. Things in no way improved, with continued job layoffs and device support has been dropped even more quickly.

This is the first major petition (aimed at Motorola) on the subject of long-term update support. Maybe seeing 12,000 signatures will result in a policy rethink; perhaps now they can understand that they really have frustrated a lot of people and put them off their products.

The petition also clearly shows the world how Motorola / Lenovo are behaving and that support for Osprey and Merlin was dropped solely to boost sales of the 4th Gen handsets. By ignoring this petition they are only causing further damage to their reputation.
[Moto G 2015 General] danfil:
consider me in too
[Moto G 2015 General] MackxtheAndroidGeek:
This, what is Lenovo doing torture to the Moto G(3rd Gen) users is called pure LAZINESS.

Motorola did a big mistake by allowing itself from getting purchased from a cheap like s*** company like Lenovo.
[Moto G 2015 General] r26332735:
Me too
[Moto G 2015 General] alonzimanuel:
I'm in!!!
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I haven't noticed a single comment on the change.org Petition page from someone in China. This might have something to do with it:

http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=www.change.org​
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
Interesting .. very interesting...
[Moto G 2015 General] pokemonemeraldfirered:
i am in man.The First of the g series to not get 18 months support.lets get our right.
[Moto G 2015 General] PalmCentro:
They block anything that has to do with political change....... :/
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
That sounds about right. When I did a demographic breakdown of a small petition I created for Moto E 3G failed update promise, there was one signature from China and it just so happened to be a name I recognized and know to use VPN & Firewall to get around the GFW. Also, the Moto E 3G seemed most heavily distributed in US, India and Brazil. I'm not sure about the distribution of Moto G3 but suppose that would be a factor. BTW My petition was paltry compared to this one, and now that it is moot I've closed its XDA thread with a mention of and link to this thread. Thank you for presenting this, and for the ROM work you do.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
[MENTION=5119654]IronTechmonkey[/MENTION] - The reason I thought to check for Chinese users was because I assumed there would be quite a few. I first became aware of Retail China 'RETCN' firmware images for the Moto G 2nd Gen (Thea). More recently, Moto G 4th Gen / Plus 4th Gen have Retail China firmware images. Why there are none for 3rd Gen, I do not know. However all the evidence suggests Moto G handsets are being sold there.
[Moto G 2015 General] Anshik.K:
Me too
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I think Brazil has just single-handedly pushed the petition over 12,500. Moto / Lenovo have messed with the wrong people.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Gooooooooooooooooal! Brazil was the largest single source signatures in the Moto E petition.
[Moto G 2015 General] firuzmaster:
I think we should focus on the petition on this thread, we can always create a new thread to **** talk Motorola because it's evident we need it.
[Moto G 2015 General] robot_head:
I'm in
[Moto G 2015 General] TheVulcanJedi:
I'm in.
[Moto G 2015 General] TheForce:
I'm in.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Some new articles: (non-english)

http://www.techtudo.com.br/noticias...bera-o-android-70-clientes-cobram-update.html​

http://meiobit.com/354430/motorola-...15-apenas-modelos-de-ponta-foram-contemplados​

Unhelpfully, neither appears to provide a link to the actual petition. The second article title is *confusingly* - translation issue?: Motorola confirms: Moto 3rd generation G will have Android 7.0 Nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] AndresF1406:
It says it will not have Android 7.0.
[Moto G 2015 General] Saquibshaikh:
I'm in. Much needed update.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
I've experienced one case where a promised update was betrayed permanently (Motorola Atrix HD, US, AT&T), and another case where a promised update was betrayed and then finally released very late (Moto E 3G 3rd Gen, US, Retail)... after a substantial petition. IMO the Moto G3 is better positioned than was the Moto E, in no small part thanks to this petition.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Yes. The timing is just confusing - considering the official 7.0 list is now a month old. To be clear; what is being said is that Moto G 3rd Gen and Turbo are not on the official Nougat update list at present. What is not being said is that Motorola have made a new statement.

It does help that the actions have been so blatant (the similarity of specs) and affects two devices.
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Has something changed?
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
No. That was my point. Motorola have said nothing. But that article title could be interpreted as an updated statement.
[Moto G 2015 General] deepydesai:
I heard google purchased moto. I was so excited to buy moto phone. And than moto g3 released. I bought it. After android 6.0 announced moto g3 got an update. I was so happy. And i loved my phone. But after that lenovo purchased moto. I was shocked. Lenovo have its own smartphone so why they purchased moto. Because of lenovo today we still don't have android 7 update. If still google had moto so we have update today or atleast update release date or month. Now i hate my moto and i'm gonna sell it.
[Moto G 2015 General] Bhanu Chopra:
Please give andriod N update to moto g turbo edition
[Moto G 2015 General] prashant_ag_14:
Is petition send to Motorola? Or Motorola ignored it??
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Even when a petition like this has an impact it is unlikely that Motorola would admit it, but if I remember correctly how such petitions function, each time someone signs it emails are generated to certain people at Motorola so they're definitely hearing about it.
[Moto G 2015 General] :
http://www.xda-developers.com/android-7-0-compatibility-document-released-plenty-of-changes-in-tow/

Finally google said that Android 7.0 does NOT require devices to support the Vulkan graphics API.

Now what reason does our phone incompatible.. Sort for my bad English..
[Moto G 2015 General] sargam44:
Oh yes buddy and i found that in cdd document added in screenshot . Vulkan api does not mandatory for Android 7.0 .it requires only when a device having VR mode. That is the device which include VR mode that device must include vulkan graphic api . For information that Moto G 2015 & Turbo edition does not have gyroscope so it doesn't support VR mode. So Motorola should give 7.0 update for Moto G 2015 & Turbo edition.

Here's the link of screenshots

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQmQyJMBacNakR0TERWSFhvZXM/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQmQyJMBacNYlBkMFhMcnFyMXc/view?usp=drivesdk
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
From the Android 7.0 CDD:

Device implementations MUST support both OpenGL ES 1.0 and 2.0, as embodied and detailed in the Android SDK documentations. Device implementations SHOULD support OpenGL ES 3.0, 3.1, or 3.2 on devices capable of supporting it.​

No change at all from Android 6.0. There is no issue with GMS (Google Mobile Services) certification (previously suggested by [MENTION=5501253]itsdacj[/MENTION]) - but this has been known all along since Moto G Play is getting Nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] Anup Pokharel:
Lenovo if you are not giving this update then i bet from next time atleast 60% of your customer will move out to another. Just because more then 50% of people are using budget smartphone and they expect a lot since i am using g4 plus but also i am unhappy with your decision g3 and g3 te deserve to get andriod nougat
[Moto G 2015 General] Gravemind2015:
A vital point is that what was done to us could be repeated in future devices too.

Broadcasted from Zeta Reticuli
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Lenovo declares all of it's future handsets will carry the 'Moto' brand-name as their moniker.

Based on the current situation; I foresee an apocalyptic flood of 'Moto' phones - poorly built and with little to no software support.
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
It means that we have to realize that its over now? and we should choose a different brand and forget about it... for good..

As for me I feel really bad about that, I feel dissapointed , I feel cheated! and I have to ask myself is it worth to believe..? I dont think so , these people will never give up..

if they not listen to us it will mean that they are not care about future. I have to agree with the most of us that lenovo probably wants to kill the name "moto" because of plan , mistic plan like others (they dont like company names , they do not want to allow exist a brand which could be a far better ) do , and one thing is sure : we mean nothing to them .. who care if you will buy their product or not..it is not complicated ..

I will never do this again..whether they change their mind or not ..its over!
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
I fear you might be right but is it too optimistic to hope that they try to maintain at least Motorola's general build quality because not doing so would be shooting themselves in the foot? OK I dont really believe that. First Google raids Motorola for the patents then Lenovo uses the Moto logo to add false luster to their brand. Thanks for all the information in those links.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I was making a reference to the over-heating Moto G4. I consider that a design issue / build fault. Maybe it's only a small percentage of handsets, or it could be a sign of things to come.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Ahh, I thought you were anticipating a drop in general build quality. Thanks for the clarification.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I am anticipating just that. Maybe it's unfair to call out the over-heating issue - which is chipset-related - but it still says something about the quality of the handset. I haven't followed the Osprey Marshmallow issues very closely; however I have the impression it has it's own software problems that have gone unresolved. Please correct me if I am wrong here.

But who knows, maybe there is reason to be optimistic if this renewed focus on the 'Moto' name will result in a concerted effort to ensure better quality control.

Edit: It's also worth mentioning the Moto G4 Play. They took the Moto G3, downgraded the CPU and camera, and removed water-proofing. It's a shadow of what the G3 was.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
HMMM, perhaps Lenovo is planning to start selling after market miniature chip cooling fans for mobile devices which have that problem:silly:

Marshmallow? Whassat? I haven't used Marshmallow except for a few test flashes. Early on I decided to leapfrog Marshmallow and CM13 for few bad decisions (IMO):

- Revert to battery charging mode on every USB connect = Forced hardware obsolescence through handling device more than necessary while connected to a cable.

- Doze mode = in my very lean usage scenario sensors use more battery life than would be used without Doze on a device that is configured to be very idle when not in a persons hand.

- Google and CM both made a disastrous mess of the quick settings panel.

CM12.1 is running great on Osprey although I suspect memory management could be better

True, and they've made a lot of changes to the line. Peregrine feels like a little pellet after handling Osprey for a while.
[Moto G 2015 General] Agu_Ra:
Well, my osprey device was bought with Marshmallow pre-installed, and, as for me, it's rock stable. There are minor issues but they are very, very rare, I have encountered only one and only once: cellular data icon left unchanged, even though I was switching to the Airplane mode or turning cellular data on. Reboot have solved the issue.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Another example of questionable QA/QC practises, this time with Moto E3:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5c2ve6/mildly_interesting_defect_on_a_new_moto_e3_where/​
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
My moto g 3 has got a hardware defect: touchscreen behaves very bad, I can operate by one finger only , if I add a second one.. eh is better to say nothing hehe anyway is there any solution? Faith can work miracles ?

This all shows the progress of degradation, almost every new moto receives a fault..sad.

Regards
[Moto G 2015 General] Clems92:
in!
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Trying not to derail this thread completely. I've seen an incredible variety of issues with Moto G handsets over the years; almost all of the time it is software-related. By that I mean, correctly flashing the latest factory firmware image would usually resolve it. Obviously if an issue persists despite doing that, along with trying custom ROMs - then it is a h/w problem.

Having said that, another possibility is that it's related to partitions that have become corrupt or modified. A factory reset would not resolve such a situation. Partition backups from a working handset could.
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
Its quite interesting what You have wrote here.

I didn't touch or modified any partitions yet (if I good understood) but I should try a custom rom definitely and see what will happen then ..however what You mean: partition backups from a working handset? ..are there some handsets xt1541 without touchscreen issues? ?

Thank You
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
[MENTION=6633647]pio80[/MENTION] - I suggest you start a thread in: http://xdaforums.com/2015-moto-g/help

That will help you determine how common the issue is. I may also comment further there.
[Moto G 2015 General] Hedied4me:
What an end to a company that helped pioneer the technology.

Edit: Well not end, but you get what I mean.
[Moto G 2015 General] LenAsh:
Thread cleaned - this is not the place to ask questions unrelated to the thread topic...
[Moto G 2015 General] Pulak0987:
Volte supported for Moto g3?

Moderator edit:

Please see my post literally above yours... :(
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
Hi,

It may look that I'am bothering You all the time but

I have to share my experiences here with You. I hope it can help others as well and it is topic-related for sure (it shows the quality of service, update process).

Second sentence , .. correctly flashing the latest... I've done it and didn't resolve my problem with touchscreen issue, bad behaviour. Ok I decided to take the chance [emoji2] and risk at the same time to unclock my phone and flash the latest custom rom based on 7,1 just for a test and I was surprised , problem gone!

After purchased I received mm 6.0 update then I flashed the latest firmware image 6.0.1 (which we didn' get officially), in both cases this problem persist depend on handset position, if charging or not etc.

In conclusion: motorola engineers don't see the problem? Or They don't want to see? ...

Thanks
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
The problem is known, and relates to the touchscreen firmware, but it doesn't seem to effect every handset. The 5.1.1 ROM has perfectly good firmware for the touchscreen, 6.0 & 6.0.1 had issues on some devices, and most custom roms implement the lollipop firmware because of this. It is thought this is the reason the 6.0.1 roll-out was halted.

This is probably one of those things where Motorola would have fixed it, but Lenovo doesn't care since few handsets had a significant enough issue, they just gave up. My 2 cents worth.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
[MENTION=6633647]pio80[/MENTION] - You should still start a thread on that topic. It can even be in General, entitled something like: [Solution] Touchscreen Issues. Update it as you get feedback.

Your post does not really prove anything regarding the quality of Motorola software. No-one ever said OTA Updates are 100% perfect. Every OEM has the same issues; a certain percentage of OTA Updates will work, some will fail, some will work but break something and some will completely destroy a handset.

I personally never accept OTA Updates and always recommend they be avoided at all cost.
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
If I would have known about ota I wouldn't have done it in this way...

But in my case ota wasn't the problem..

I have to be fair , I'm really enjoying stock, I think it almost brings everything we need, this is the first class quality software except...

We need a long term support and receive the most recent updates and fixes! Thats all.

I hope it sounds better now.
[Moto G 2015 General] WaxysDargle:
Is this why my G3 doesn't support/power USB devices like it should?
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
No... This is a security thing. Basically so plugging into a random device doesn't give access to your files by default.

OTG not working in Marshmallow is a bug, it worked in Lollipop.
[Moto G 2015 General] LenAsh:
Thread cleaned - again.

Stick to the thread topic please, or open your own discussion thread. Hijacking someone else's is "not recommended" if you get my drift.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Looks like the petition will hit 15k this weekend. Maybe it's time for a new strategy.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I haven't contacted them (change.org) to date, but plan to shortly. With 15k signatures - they may suggest something is now possible that was not so previously. Also 15k milestone may result in some new articles being written.
[Moto G 2015 General] love4chat:
Totally Agreed!
[Moto G 2015 General] krazzykid:
I'm in.
[Moto G 2015 General] Sal12538:
Joining the train here. Signed.
[Moto G 2015 General] ALPHAWolf96:
Great effort [MENTION=1006674]lost101[/MENTION]. Signed and shared with my buds.

Guys please share the petition in different threads to grab more attention towards this. Let's show the power of xda to lenovo!
[Moto G 2015 General] PalmCentro:
Signed and shared.

But Lenovo is laughing at us.
[Moto G 2015 General] bluedragon12:
im in
[Moto G 2015 General] samirza692:
I'm in
[Moto G 2015 General] teensheet:
I'm in
[Moto G 2015 General] NicoGig:
I signed it, but I think Lenovo's mobile division will just laugh at us and keep on going this route.
[Moto G 2015 General] argentwarrior20:
Eh, I tried the stock Marshmallow ROM and I'm not a fan. I prefer less bloatware (like Facebook). But, to each their own.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I appreciate that I didn't say it in my post, but this is XDA and I was suggesting (without saying it) Stock 7.0 would be the preferred choice after de-bloating, rooting etc. Not to use the ROM untouched, but as a very good foundation for customization.