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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
The BMW-designed Axon 7 ($400) even has the SAME 5.5" 1440p AMOLED Samsung display the Pixel XL uses.

And has award-winning audio capability with front facing speakers.

And REAL rear camera OIS.

It's also Daydream VR capable... (just like the Pixel XL)

Plus, it's slightly smaller phone (slimmer bezels!) :p

Google should have bought like 1 million ZTE Axon 7 phones for $400 each, slapped their Nougat software on, sold them as the "Pixel XL" for $500! ;) It would STILL be $300 - $400 cheaper than the real pathetic Pixel XL and be a much better phone! I would buy 3 of those right now.

SPECS: Google Pixel XL vs ZTE Axon 7

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Google-Pixel-XL,ZTE-Axon-7/phones/10263,10068?ft=2
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mitchst2:
Is the two years software update confirmed?

They needed to improve that at the very least.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
yes its on their website

the lack of OIS killed it for me
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mitchst2:
So they aren't doing anything different really and charging daft money for the privilege.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] yudumcan:
hahahahahahaha! best comment ever !!!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] GuestK003:
I'm thinking of cancelling my preorder. I like some of the features. Is there going to be another nexus device? I want quick OS updates.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
just get a nexus 6p for half the price
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] relaxable:
Not pre-ordering and will never order - there is very little to like about this phone.

I've had all the Nexus phones with exception of the S starting with the One up until and including the 6 (which I'm still happily using) .

For me, Google is not going in the right direction. I'd take the Axon over this junk, although I think I'd rather have a 6" screen, so will consider the Mate 8 or the 9. Or maybe just hold on to the 6 for while longer.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] tupirujp:
That's what I'm doing I'm getting the 6p its a better phone that pixel xl ...

Or the axon 7 ? Wow it looks great ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
id get the nexus, if you want timely updates
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
So what are they going to do, just not give an update to the Pixel? Does that mean that Nougat is going to stop having updates?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mitchst2:
No change regards updates.

Somewhat disappointing given the fact they are trying to sell this phone on a strong software slant.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] osi13:
Except who knows when the Axon is going to receive Nougat, and when O is released what are the chances ZTE is going to push an update. Even without OIS the camera is still going to be a lot better on the Pixel as well.

IMO it's really annoying that Google isn't supporting Pixel phones for at least 3 years with OS updates. For that price point it should be AT LEAST 3 years and 4 years of security updates. Hell, inexpensive ChromeOS devices are supported for 5 years.

It's getting really hard to recommend an Android phone to a family member or friend. Especially when VZW is the only carrier who is selling the Pixel.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mrvirginia:
I'd like to hear more of your thoughts...

I get that people like different things for different reasons but to me it's as good a buy as any other phone on the market that was intended for the US. Since my personal opinion is that the Note7 is crap, I was actually seriously considering getting an iPhone 7 Plus. I'm super super super glad that this phone was announced because I didn't really want an iPhone but was going to bite the bullet since it's next best thing imo.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
Now with google assistant ported to my nexus 6p and I also ported the navbar icons and stuff, I have completely written off the pixel.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
That still doesnt justify spending 900 dollars if you already have a 6p
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
go select the 2 year protection plan for the 128gb version and tell me how much it is when the slap taxes on it
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
Your opinion. Mine is different.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
Or $1000 in the UK. A criminal price.

You'd have to be insane to spend that in the UK if you had the 6P Probably why you can still get a Pixel on release day in the UK.

---------- Post added at 09:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 PM ----------

It's £820 in the UK for the 128 XL just about £1000.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
I'll agree with you guys it's a bit much when next year's flagships will be here in 6 months. I'm more attracted to the v20 at this point
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
The problem is people come on here just to cause hostility and try to be little others. You can have your own opinion and state it but not reply to others posts just to bash them. If anyone does not like the others opinion they they can take their hostility elsewhere.

When someone post facts about the device that are negative that in its self is not opinion it is fact, so if your opinion does not like those facts then you have no right to bash that said poster.

If you can prove the negative facts posted are wrong that is one thing but, but to bash them and cause hostility just because you do not like those negative facts, that is no reason to name call or put that poster down. If you had a bad day or bad week its no excuse to look for someone on here to try to make fun of and belittle then call them a tattler when they report a poster that is name calling and abusive. As the moderator said take the hostility elsewhere which means stop flaming others which was exactly what he posted.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
I've had Android devices since 2009, so almost since the OS' incarnation. I've owned Nexus devices with the exception of the Nexus One and the Galaxy Nexus (I didn't have Verizon).

It boils down to the following:

There are certain things that I look for when buying a new phone, especially when Google releases their annual device. The first being the screen quality, second is the way it feels in the hand, lastly is the aesthetic of the thing. The last two are interchangeable as a case would fix both the aesthetics and the feel of the device.

I've never been caught up in the phone camera craze. Mainly because if I wanted to shoot photographs, I'd have a DSLR or something similar. Of course I take the occasional picture of one of my kids with my phone, but that's about it.

Regarding development, I'm not too keen on the extensive amount of tweaks put forth by some of these ROM's. If I can root, control the DPI, modify the nav bar and sound levels, I'm good. I rarely tweak the kernel, and if I do, it's some minor double tap to wake or something like that.

As for the cost, $850-$950 is a little steep for a phone, but not completely unmanageable. I'd prefer to be within the $400-$600 price range, and I was within that price range over the past few years with Google, but not anymore. I'm slightly deterred from the Pixel mainly for this reason. We're paying an excessive price for a camera and a Snapdragon 821 processor. There is nothing new on the Pixel...so how do these exclusive features warrant the hefty price tag? They don't.

I like to update my device at least once a year, sometimes a couple of times, depending on what's out. I've had two of the Nexus 6p's but have returned them to Google for hardware defects. I still have the Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Galaxy S6 Edge Plus and iPhone 6s Plus. I swap them around every now and then but can never stick to one device for more than a couple of weeks at a time.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
Thanks for making a clear and mature argument. I totally agree the price alone will deter some power users and enthusiasts. As for the masses, who knows. They are selling pretty good it seems. I don't think Google has tapped out of the mid range market quite yet. At least I hope not. There is definitely a niche for development devices that are in the more affordable range. I do hope Google has success though with the Pixel so they do make companies like Samsung and Apple try that much harder. We all win that way.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] rajsardhara:
Thanks guys for all your inputs, I've been using Samsung since Galaxy version 1, And the only thing I hate about Samsung is that they're so lazy when it comes to update and worst part is that like Nexus devices after new update their battery life improves while Samsung it get worse when it updates to newer version, Trust me I got this experience from my last 6 devices from Samsung and they're really consistent about it.

I've been waiting for this year nexus because I already made my mind to ditch Samsung and now google introduced Pixel over Nexus while ordering I didn't noticed that it does support for only two years may be I was too excited to get one, But after reading all your comments here, I'm going to cancel my order and look for another option but not samsung. Is there any device officially supports cynogen OS? Because I'm sure they'll have longer software update and those guys are pretty good in it, And you'll still get vanilla Android.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
Just to clear things up. HTC is only assembling the phone. The phone itself was designed directly by Google with some help from HTC.

Besides the camera it is the reason I have ordered one.

Only thing I do not like is glass backs as it seems all the iPhones I have borrowed with them looked terribly damaged. I know this could happen with Samsung also.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
HTC didn't "only" assemble the phone. The Pixel had to pass through HTC's quality control folks, so that's a big deal. If there are any flaws on other HTC devices, they may be carried over to this device as well.

Until a Google engineer designs a phone, and a team of Google employed hardware techs assemble the damn thing...Google is not the manufacturer.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
So i guess apple doesnt make a phone either then under that arguement
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
Apple does. They use Foxconn who is a third party contractor who manufacture various computer related things such as mother boards.

HTC builds phones, like the A9, which is arguably the template for the Pixel.

My point is that until Google assembles/hires a team of NON-phone manufacturers, they can't really claim that they're building the damn phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mixedguy:
I think this is the first time Google actually had a say in the overall design of the phone. With Nexus devices, they would just contract a OEM and that OEM would design every aspect of the Nexus device and then present it to Google.

Google could of started out with a A9 template but it seems they had full control over modifying that template to fit their design goals.

Not sure why you think HTC can't be used in the same way Apple uses Foxxconn just because they are a phone manufacturer. All that matters is that HTC has a manufacturing plant to produce the Pixel phones and is contracted by Google to do so. That's all Apple does with Foxconn.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
Umm how is foxconn not a phone manufacturer??? It is the same premise no matter how you try to flip it. Apple does not make a phone and neither does google. They both give the blueprints to a manjfactorer. What else those companies make is irrelevant, its the same exact thing
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-04/behind-the-pixel-google-s-first-real-threat-to-apple-s-iphone

Where I get my reasoning. Guess it is how you interpret it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] whowatchlist:
Actually

Zte already has nougat, they are about to roll it. They even have screenshots on their website.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stanleybb50:
Well said! The last paragraph says alot:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
save yourself a headache..you are paying $900 for a phone that will be old soon after they start releasing phones with snapdragon 830..the iphone looking phone has nothing to offer, other than a better camera and a slightly faster chipset
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mixedguy:
Well according to the Google Pixel Performance lead, they spent the most time on touch latency and consistent performance throughout the OS and judging by people that have tried the phone, all of that work has paid off.

Maybe all some people care about is a butt load of features when it comes to a new phone but I'll take a more refined phone experience over a laggy phone full of features, thats just me though. That's the beauty of Android, there are plenty of phone to choose from that fit our individual needs.

http://www.slashgear.com/more-google-pixel-vs-pixel-xl-details-performance-lead-speaks-up-06459116/
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
Yeah I could care less about specs. People get obsessed with them. The user experience is more important. It's the one thing about apple that has always made sense. I'm glad Google decided to finally take this approach. It makes more sense on a consumer level. We just want our phones to do what they where built to do, and to do it well. An entire device built as a software/hardware combination is going to have a better overall user experience.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
Thanks. I don't mind people disagreeing with me as long as they provide some kind of proof in they refute what I said in the post.

I have done a lot of reading and watching on this phone and have gotten pretty excited that Google has taken the reins on this. I skipped the last years Nexus phones and kept with my N. I am glad I did. As far as the 2 year update stuff I think it is just to cover their butts if people get upset about either slow update or hardware requirements not being meet by the Pixel for Android 8 or whatever in 2 years.

This phone has great low light camera performance which is something to be happy about so that may be the reason for the lack of ois.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
So is no one here buying the pixel?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] androidpixar:
Ha ha ha this ain't the thread for that. The Pixel XL is sold out and currently out of stock. So there are plenty of people buying it (including me).
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] iceman4357:
On paper I am sure the 830 will be a superior chip, but as we all know with it being placed in devices that have layers of bloat placed on the top, it will significantly impact the overall user experience. ie Touchwiz and the like. I would guess that the Pixel or XL will perform equally to the 2017 carrier branded phones. Buying unlocked is great, but until recently you could loose decent features: wifi calling, HD voice, VoLTE, etc.

For most of us on here that have the ability to unlock/root and flash we will create ROMs to optimize the experience, but I still think the Pixel will be powerful enough for a few years worth of Android OS updates....or at least until I am eligible for a phone upgrade. :)

Agree. I am in for a smooth experience, good camera and battery life regardless of specs.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ggreenwood334:
Don't forget the free VR daydream. Lol.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] infamousjax:
Got to play with one for a couple minutes today. Looks amazing pics don't do it justice. Camera app is stupid fast, super fluid UI and definitely has a premium top tier feel to it. The haptic feedback feels identical to the HTC 10. Was the verizon XL
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Cowbell_Guy:
For those of us on Verizon with UDP who really want a rooted phone with unlocked bootloader... What are the other options at the moment, and on the horizon(next 6 months)?

I have the moto x pure, a great phone (switched from 6p)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] uicnren:
buy it with unlockable bootloader from google play?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] jongcruz:
The only advantage of Pixel XL over the iPhone 7 is the display, other than that iPhone is a better device.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SupahMario:
I came to this thread hoping to see legitimate reasons of people canceling pre orders but all I see is Apple fanboys trolling the post about how the iPhone is special because it manufactured by underpaid workers/slaves and their arguement was Foxconn isn't a phone manufacturer like HTC, which isnt incorrect, the know of is privileged knowledge that apple fought long to keep a secret like the rest of the "so called phone producers". Whats more intriguing is how a apple fan boy trolls an Android thread about a competitive phone... Really now ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
Yeah nothing legitimate here. Just people that don't understand the whole point of the Pixel. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I don't think there needs to be a thread about it. And it's silly because this is the area everyone that buys one is going to hang out. It's like the Mods are allowing a flame war. Do people that post here think that those of us who bought one are going to be like OMG. I had no idea. I'm returning it immediately. Yeah right. Were are going to post snotty responses because they are bashing on something we just bought. I don't understand the point of these threads.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cwalker0906:
It shows you the sad state of peoples lives. I never owned a iphone and i never been on a iphone forum. Why would i , i have better things to do than troll a forum of a phone i dont want or have...sad really...yeah moderaters should definitly close this thread, no one cares why someone doesnt want a phone they probably cant afford lol
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
I was hoping the same... It served it's purpose, now with the Pixel releasing within the week I think it's time to move on. You either own it and want to discuss it, or you're considering purchasing it at this point. I could care less why you don't want to... save that sh*t for the forum of the device you do own, not mine. I mean this with all due respect to everyone who has posted in this thread...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Adz523:
Nexus purchase thru Google

Seems like you can still order Nexus phones including the 6p on google website through Project Fi. So I guess they are not discontinuing sales. Am I missing something?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
Is the v20 giid option instead? Why
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] RonnieRuff:
A few things, no one keeps a phone longer than 2 years. Dual Stereo speakers is meaningless because you cant discern stereo separation when speakers are inches apart. Most phones do not have 4GB of RAM, your 6P does not. Yes it is expensive... Battery size is not the only determining factor on battery life if course. In the end it is just a phone LOL
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] HyperM3:
I have a 6p and pre-ordered the pixel. I'm debating on canceling also. I only ordered it out of personal obligation. I've gotten the new nexus phone each year starting with the nexus one. I have them all still tucked away in their original boxes. I'm not sure if it's really worth it since I'm getting all the good stuff in the rom for my 6p. Only benefit I see is getting the vr headset thrown in.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Chillz88:
Thats one way to justify yourself for buying it.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] B3501:
It reads like me trying to justify the $2000 TV I just bought! Just wait for the buyers remorse to kick in!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] edgarzin:
is it possible to pre order the pixel XL? is there stock?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mcjonesy:
Project Fi still has the XL in stock.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] edgarzin:
sorry what that means? that i have to pay a plan?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] kwhodson:
Can you use the project FI on Verizon?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
Yes the Fi version is no different than the google store version. And if you dont activate the sim you dont get charged for service.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] keveezy:
Hey, I just upgraded from a 6P actually. Ordered the 6P right on release day and got the first shipment. The Pixel XL is actually a lot better. My 6P battery was not as good as what I'm getting on my Pixel XL. When I first had it, the best SOT I had was roughly 4-5 hours. The Pixel XL I am at 7 hours with 15% battery left. It also feels a lot smoother overall. Bouncing I'm between all the apps and the drawer. Comparing it with my 6P side to side and it actually feels that much quicker.. even did a factory reset on the 6P to maybe see if it was any apps that would maybe bog it down a little. I do agree with you though about the front facing speakers, I do miss that. I feel like I'm actually going to keep this phone for 2+ years, and I usually upgrade 1-2 a year. For the price point it's at, and does not offer water proofing, I agree with you also. If you're trying to figure out the pros and cons and I guess there aren't that many pros to justify the purchase for you, I'd suggest you try to go to a local store to play with one and maybe it'll change your mind. Forgot to mention that my camera is also fantastic vs the 6P. Its a lot better in HDR+ shots and definitely low light.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
Speaker is louder and filter than 6p.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Psyscope:
Many you sound like a Nagging Nancy, complaining about everything.....

1. I have a Nexus 6P and I think its not worth the upgrade

2. The price - at 1000 dollars this thing will set you back a hefty penny ----------- Oh 128gb Storage, and $99 Google Care

3. No OIS. The phone doesnt have OIS, but it has EIS which uses software to stabilize the image ---- Not much difference if software does the job as well as hardware.

4. No front facing speakers --- You got me there.

5. Not water resistant. if they are competing with Apple, why would they leave this out? --- Meh, Waterproof or water resistance would be nice, but not a deal breaker.

6. Same battery size as my nexus 6p --- Same battery as the Nexus 6p, but a smaller phone..... just complaining to complain

7. Since its a pixel phone it might be locked down like an IPhone (not confirmed but there is a chance) --- Uncomfirmed

8. 4GB RAM. Most phones nowadays have 4GB of RAM ---- And, so you want 6gb ram....

9. No official updates after 2 years. This was one of the things that turned me off as well. They released this phone as a competition to Apple yet they will support their phones for less years. -- Why are you complaining, you have the nexus 6p and and are looking to upgrade 13 months after the phone came out. And they changed it to 3 years.

10. The bezel. Its big, with nothing useful on it

11. 5.5 inch screen. Even the nexus 6p has a 5.7 inch screen. OMG even the Nexus 6p has a 5.7, hey have you noticed that phones are going back to smaller displays not bigge.... you want a six inch screen? Even the S6 Edge and S7 Edge got smaller.

12. Mono speakers

13. Pixel Launcher is not really that good. I'm sure most people will go back to google launcher because it's more customizable ..... No one told you to use it, go get Nova......
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Adz523:
Bye

Just cancelled my order. not impressed by the complete and total lack of customer service.