yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto G 2015 General] pjc123:
And I thought I was showing my age having owned one of the first Motorola StarTAC flip phones, and I remember seeing the Motorola "Bag Phones" in some people's vehicle. This was circa 1994 - 1996.

Here is the evolution of the cell phone:

http://ginva.com/2011/05/the-evolution-of-the-cell-phone-between-1938-2011/
[Moto G 2015 General] jerziboss:
I signed in... It feels unfair that moto G3 doesn't get even android 7.0 when older generation got 2 major updates. The security updates are more like act of mercy but they feel more like insult to injury. Lenovo ruined great brand :(
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Seeing that nougat has screwed up battery life on moto g4 and g4 plus, I really am not keen to get nougat I easily get 4:30 hrs p plus SOT,would rather stay on marshmallow rather than upgrading to nougat and **ck my battery performance
[Moto G 2015 General] Ojas25.8:
Even I was wondering if the battery capacity is an issue which made them scarp android n for G3 and merlin
[Moto G 2015 General] Arpan22:
Ojas hey can you try to search the problem
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Would like to have such battery life on nougat if received
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
Nice bettery life ? Is this untouched rom from moto?
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
It's stock rom
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
1 hr of gaming,1 hr of YouTube and casual browsing
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
I can't believe in You , please tell us what You are using , version of Android , xposed modules etc. Thanks
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Stock marshmallow with locked bootloader
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Just a simple trick
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Let your phone fully charge and put it in battery saving mode, when I woke up in morning this morning it just consumed 3% i.e it was at 97%. For better results turn on airplane mode before sleeping or when not in use:mad:
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Those battery performance issues dont have to do with this petition and would best be discussed in device specific or battery management threads elsewhere. Please respect the topic of this thread, "[PETITION] Android Nougat Update for Osprey and Merlin" which is about about getting an official update as well as keeping continued pressure on Moto to honor reasonable update schedules for all devices. Even if an official update comes very late it is still of benefit to Moto G3 users to have access to a stock N package.
[Moto G 2015 General] rohanmane3:
i'm in , please provide us nougat update for osprey moto g3 xt1550
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Make sure to sign the petition at change.org linked in the first post.
[Moto G 2015 General] rohanmane3:
signed the petition

yes already did thanks brother
[Moto G 2015 General] saurav_k:
Does these petitions help? Will Motorola reconsider?

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Joined and Signed. Infact I am about to buy this phone. Major Ecoms in India are still selling Moto G Turbo in bulk and Lenovo is denying software update. Been a loyal Moto user since the days of Defy. Will switch to some other alternative if Moto/Leno betrays this time. Very disappointed.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Starting the petition now is the best chance we have. The update does not begin roll-out to any device until towards the end of the year. I think the case has been made clear that it should not be too much extra work to support these devices. The more signatures; the harder it will be to ignore, and the greater the possibility android news sites will mention it.
[Moto G 2015 General] paulyd9420:
Thanks I'm in
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
I have been spreading this around in many communities and various Moto device forums, but by no means all of them...

If any users are members of groups or communities that are Moto or Android related and you don't see this posted, feel free to share it any relevant community or group. The best we can do is get the word out.

I have been trying to spin this to other Moto users that if they will short change on of the most popular devices Moto has had recently, what's to stop them from doing it to another device in the future? Nothing, if we don't make Moto aware that we unhappy with the situation they are creating after how they sold the device with a promise of fast updates and a history of 18 months of support.
[Moto G 2015 General] Matias.s:
that would be awesome
[Moto G 2015 General] ExaHamza:
Yeah people, don't just sign and sit, we need to spread and share, this should be in many websites of tech news.

Personally I'm trying to do may best, and one discussion is taking place between me and Moto on Twitter, they need to hear our voice!
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
703... picked up another 200 in the last 24 hours!!!

Keep spreading the word people... it helps!
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Motorola / Lenovo support staff won't be able to do anything but repeat what they are allowed to say. All they can do is register your question. Please don't get into an argument with them. Even if they agree with you, they cannot say so.
[Moto G 2015 General] saurav_k:
Care to share the link? Will just follow.

Actually I have ordered a new Moto G Turbo and it's on its way. Got a great deal. Not able to decide whether to take it or cancel the order. Really disappointed by Motorola
[Moto G 2015 General] saurav_k:
Delete plz
[Moto G 2015 General] pjc123:
Who cares if they update to Nougat. There will be no security updates, as history shows us. I am moving to CM14 when the official version arrives, and this will be my last Lenovo product. I already immediately returned a Lenovo Thinkpad laptop because of problems and stupid design changes.. So, they destroyed IBM and Motorola's products......Whose next..
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
You should care... TBH security updates are a joke, they are a marketing thing that makes users feel good but have minimal technical merit, but that's not the point of thread.

Even if you move to CM14, or RR6, DU11, or whatever custom ROM, getting Nougat officially is a big deal because to get the best, bugfree experience from any custom rom we need the kernel source and proprietary blobs, otherwise all these are a hack of half Marshmallow and half Nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] saurav_k:
Will this petition even reach Motorola / Lenovo or the intended recipient?

I just looked into the details of what Motorola did with Android M update. There also it ditched the Moto E 2nd Gen which at that time was released just a couple of months ago. This time they have ditched Moto E 3rd Gen which is released just a month ago. Users protested then also and nothing happened.

Moto G turbo has very good hardware. Don't understand why Motorola is digging it's own grave.

Unfortunately, in the race of budget smartphones and latest technologies, we have many many options these days but hardly any quality option !! Can't rely on the likes of Xiaomi, Miezu, Honor, Lenovo etc.

Sony has decided to play in the premium segment only in India.

Nokia is gone.

Samsung makes cheap plastic overpriced ****.

And now, Motorola is disintegrating. Feeling worried. Will we ever get quality phones like Motorola Defy, Moto G 2013, 2015 !! ??
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
It will reach them, hopefully to the correct people who can act or pass it on to people who can. The effectiveness is unknown though, but we know of where we stand by doing nothing.
[Moto G 2015 General] saurav_k:
Agree. Did my part. Bit more anxious as I am in the middle of a dilemma regarding Moto G Turbo. Ordered one from amazon in a great deal. (Rs 6800 / Approx 100$). Will be delivered tomorrow. Can still cancel. Not able to decide.
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
By the way everyone, thanks for spreading this around... We are gaining signatures quickly, about 6 hours ago we past the 750 mark and in the last few minutes when I looked we are at 928.

Don't give up or quit... We will easily make 1000 before the end of the day, but that's really just the first milestone we need to reach to even have a chance of someone at Moto raising an eyebrow to notice something is going on, we are going to need everyone's help.

I will be starting to drop tips to Android Police and looking how to get this added to the news feed of XDA and other Android forum sites.

You can help by submitting a "Tip Us" at androidpolice.com or your favorite android news site.
[Moto G 2015 General] saurav_k:
Sharing this in youtube comments of all top Moto G4 and G4 Plus review videos.
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
My apologies I wouldn't talking anything off topic now
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
I dont know what is in Your mind but all my hope was gone quite long time ago so lets enjoy lollipop or marshmallow now and here ?

Regards
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
As of this month (March 2017) - Nougat is still only on 2.8% of Android devices. The first beta was released one year ago tomorrow (March 9, 2016) and the final build was released in August 22, 2016. That just looks to me like something went really badly wrong with the roll-out.

The only explanation here is that OEMs have reached the point where they no longer even care about providing updates to most of their product portfolio. I would really love to see Google announce a path to restructuring Android for greater update independence from OEMs at this year's I / O.

EDIT: I suppose the other factor is the ever-increasing number of devices in use; i.e Chinese handsets sold running Lollipop even in recent months. That would increase the share of devices running older versions of Android.
[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
But the article heading on Android Authority is something totally different:

http://www.androidauthority.com/nougat-march-2017-android-755344/

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Just keep watching. Moto G4 is not getting Android O.
[Moto G 2015 General] pjc123:
Damn "Fake News". Trump needs to look into this.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I do not consider Android Authority a reliable source for information. I stopped looking at their site / videos some time ago because of the poor quality of their journalism.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Indeed! That would be nice. IMO Google has been derelict in this regard from the start, deferring responsibility for OS updates to hardware manufactures who care more about carving out proprietary niches and providers who care more about quantity of subscribers.
[Moto G 2015 General] zeehkaev:
I don't think it is possible to Google do this.

Only if every OEM only use stock Android builds. And I still think there a lot of device specific features that wouldn't allow this to happen.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
That's just the problem. Google took no responsibility for keeping their own OS properly updated and just let let the OEMs make an even bigger mess of it by carving out deeper proprietary niches. The OEMS ran with that flawed model because handsets were selling like crazy and the worse the old ones got due to lack of support the more new headsets they sold. In any event there really is no real excuse for there not being an update for Osprey.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Today was the day the Petition broke 20K signatures.

Meanwhile over at Motorola...
[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
Sorry for the off-topic. Could you please tell me from where you got this image?
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
If I have to explain it's a joke, then I guess I've failed horribly. The point was to say that so many Motorola Mobility employees themselves have been signing the petition that a notice had to be put up. Perhaps using a photo from a random Indian production factory was my downfall.
[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
Haa, I understand that it's a joke. Anyone would. I was just thinking that if someone had posted this on Facebook or Twitter and you posted it here.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
[MENTION=4336485]alezardstar[/MENTION] - Nothing like that is currently planned. I also do not have access to an Osprey handset. If one was offered, that would certainly be motivating.
[Moto G 2015 General] KrisM22:
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[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
Could you post a screenshot of the update page?
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Considering it's AT&T, it's more likely to be in fact a hopelessly late 6.0 update.
[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
If it's a 6.0, it'll be near about 465 MB as far as I remember.
[Moto G 2015 General] riggerman0421:
You have to have pure stock, system, kernel and recovery to install the update. BTW, it's only the January security patch. I already installed it.
[Moto G 2015 General] KrisM22:
My bad, she failed to tell me that her G3 died and this is on a G4. I erased the post. It would take a bit to get a screenshot of that security patch. Maybe this evening.
[Moto G 2015 General] KrisM22:
This is apparently the Jan 2017 sec update and also called 6.0.1 . I am unable to install it. 3rd pic is my phone as it is now. No idea what is blocking it, except of course that it detects that the bootloader has been unlocked. Would be nice if someone else would try it. Safetynet shows green on this even though unlocked b/l. (just means that safetynet API hasn't caught up with us yet.)(it will)
[Moto G 2015 General] riggerman0421:
As I replied earlier, you need full stock. If you have TWRP installed, you will need to flash the stock recovery. If you made any modifications to the system (Xposed, added or deleted any system apps, ad blocker, build prop edits, root, etc), then you will need to reflash the entire stock rom.
[Moto G 2015 General] KrisM22:
The ota is supposed to dl <map><int name="Blur_Version.24.211.14.osprey_retus_2gb.retus.en.US" value="1"/></map>

but it dl's Blur_Version.24.11.25.osprey_retus_2gb.retus.en.US.zip (/data/data/com.motorola.cc.ota )

(it DID fail on an attempted clean flash - same error:7 )
[Moto G 2015 General] radnam:
I am In.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Not directly related to this petition, but the latest Moto G (G5) - not plus version - has no Gorilla Glass or any kind of screen protection whatsoever - the first time this is absent in the Moto G line.

How can that change possibly be justified, surely the cost of having it is extremely minimal? If I was to be cynical, I would say it's been done so they can reap the rewards of fixing all the broken screens.

Obviously you can no longer trust Motorola Mobility / Lenovo to provide software updates, nor sell you an uncompromised handset.
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Odd... According to this: https://www.motorola.com/us/product...aRoCpaLw_wcB&dclid=CMnCvNqLndMCFccLPwodsecFSg

It's Gorilla Glass 3
[Moto G 2015 General] Subinsmani:
he is talking about moto g5 not g5 plus..

and ya they didn't define which glass is using for moto g5...

on some site it shows scratch resistant...
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Hmm... Your right.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Yes, I meant the 5" version not sold in US, but elsewhere. Again, anyone would have assumed it had Gorrilla Glass. I was myself shocked. Anything is possible with the Moto G range now.

Gsmarena comparison between Moto G5 and G5 Plus: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8454&idPhone2=8453

Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/forum/-/Tx6XMTGLZM1IN4/ref=ask_dp_dpmw_al_hza?asin=B01MZCWGYB

Comments there state 'Soda Lime Glass.'

Gorilla Glass is not stated on the Official Motorola spec sheet: https://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-g
[Moto G 2015 General] ALPHAWolf96:
Alright, so just got a news regarding the nougat update on the G4 play from a lenovo's spokesperson. This will probably help us get the sources for our osprey. Though i can't​ actually take anything seriously said by lenovo now but at least, we have a date now.

Source - http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-g4-play-android-nougat-june-765567/
[Moto G 2015 General] sg23252:
I am in
[Moto G 2015 General] hemantkagh:
I dont think that Moto, now owned by Lenovo, will give official update for our devices now. It's been too late for that.

It's better to custon ROMs now since warranty of our device has already expired. :p

Btw I already signed this petition in the 1st month only.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
You may be right that an update is increasingly unlikely however it costs signers of the petition nothing keep pushing for an update, and it would be an advantage to have a stock Nougat image available for the device even if we have switched to custom ROMs. Also, thanks for signing. :)
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
So... Not to get any hopes up, but I see the

Motorola Feedback Network (MFN) Status: Yes

Click here to opt out of MFN

Showed up on My Devices page on Moto Support site. Probably means nothing but who knows.
[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
After opting in, what does it show?
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
It just shows up there... For a long time that whole section was blank on my G, but showed up under my MXPE, I just noticed its back under that device.

I don't expect anything to "show up" l... Been in lots of soak tests, nothing happens quickly.
[Moto G 2015 General] SayantanRC:
Maybe really nothing of any importance
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Beginning with Android O; Project Treble is an effort to guarantee updates for all devices, independent of OEMs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_O#Platform​

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ndroid-updates-no-really-with-project-treble/​
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Got April security patch last night
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
Is their still any hope left for nougat with Android O developer preview 2 going on?
[Moto G 2015 General] Tushar K Sahu:
People... I need help with rooting my moto g 2015 osprey and installing stock android 7.1 nougat on my device. If someone can reply me the links of the files i have to download. Please...
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
You are posting in the wrong place...

There are multiple threads about rooting this device... Try the one in my signature for a place to start.

There is no "stock" Nougat for this device, of any version, and likely will never be. There are several custom ROMs that can give you Nougat, look in the developer sections.
[Moto G 2015 General] Tushar K Sahu:
Thanks
[Moto G 2015 General] saransh arya:
https://www.themobileindian.com/news/moto-g-turbo-edition-spotted-with-android-70-nougat-15783
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Look closer at the entry... It clearly says it's CyanogenMod.
[Moto G 2015 General] Subinsmani:
and its very old blog..
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
...and we can't even believe Motorola's official statements and promises before they would get to third party sources.
[Moto G 2015 General] AbhiAbhiBisht:
Well I have already flashed custom ROM on my XT1557, but it would be nice to get an official update from Motorola. Count me in.
[Moto G 2015 General] dchatterjee172:
I think they should give at least two major updates.

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Any news of getting official update?
[Moto G 2015 General] Doofitator:
Every other Moto G beforehand got two major updates. This one should get at least nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] dchatterjee172:
I have emailed them, let's see...
[Moto G 2015 General] Doofitator:
I doubt 'them' will reply, but it could be interesting if they do!
[Moto G 2015 General] dchatterjee172:
this was what i got
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
That is almost identical to the meaningless stock reply Moto has given for years in response to questions about betrayed promises to update devices (even when they had openly promised on their website to do so). It's a tactic to give people (false) hope so they don't keep complaining in the Moto forums.
[Moto G 2015 General] dchatterjee172:
now they are telling me that i have to contact my local support -_-

i think there is not much hope

Moderator Edit: unrelated question removed - please use the Q and A Forum rather than disrupt a thread.
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
There may not be much hope for an update but it is still worth pushing for it to keep pressure on Motorola in the long run. Without the continued pressure of petitions such as this they would be even worse.
[Moto G 2015 General] dchatterjee172:
And exactly how do you expect to do that?

I think it is a marketing strategy to sell new phones. As most of them come 7.1 installed, they will get more priority to customers.

And i also think that this phone has some flaws, specially in thermal management and battery. That is why they will never update this phone to 7.1
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Your question is out of context with my post because I did not state any specific goal (what you refer to as "that") other than keeping pressure on, and the "how" you mention is already answered in my post (by supporting such petitions) so I'll just take it as scepticism. That being said, in regards to keeping the pressure on...

There have been a series of petitions including a much smaller one I started a few years ago (Moto E - a published promise to update was betrayed) for which I also personally hounded their executive staff mercilessly (the device was eventually updated), and an older much larger petition created by a developers and industry people for a change to Moto's general practices (their general practices did change for the better). Moto would never admit to being influenced by such actions but they are.

Everything they do is a marketing strategy to sell new phones, but also everyone who purchased a Moto phone is a customer, and is entitled to a reasonable course of updates - not infinite but at least reasonable, which was not the case for Osprey, hence the petition.

This gets us a bit off topic for this thread but - I wholeheartedly agree with you about those flaws (it has terrible battery life and feels like you could fry an egg on it). That being said, the fact that they may have sold us a device that was deficient right out of the box is even worse than failing to update it.

In other words, there is no reason to not sign the petition and there is no reason to make it sound like it is not worth signing even if hopes for an update are slim, because (coming full circle) we need to keep the pressure on or it would be worse.
[Moto G 2015 General] dchatterjee172:
I completely agree with your words. I think the issues we have in our device can be fixed with software updates, not everything is hardware fault. As you said, if keep pressure on the manufacturer, some good news may come. But we have to approach together.