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[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alsheron:
So I've been looking through the V10 Android Development threads and wondering if someone can give me an idea of what it's been like on XDA with the V10 in terms of Dev support/ROMs/ etc? Doesn't look like there's been much interest in this phone from Devs? Is there a reason why? Locked bootloader? No "sources" released? Is there a CM ROM available anywhere?

Reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting a V20 which looks like a great phone and I've always had Nexus phones in the past. Currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I still love. The V20 looks to me almost like a larger more modern and advanced Nexus 5 (both made by LG). The G5 I saw in a phone shop and it really didn't appeal to me (build quality seemed poor). What's the likelihood the V20 will get decent Dev support? Is there anything that will make it more likely?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sun_is_shinning:
The answer is NO, V10 dont have development because in some markets they still have locked bootloader and developers dont care about this kind of devices...if they cant do their job well and for all variants of the phone!

also the unlocked version of V10 doesnt have CM support and i think never will have. V20 will be the same history like V10, no bootloaders unlocked, no development, if you want a phone to install custom rom's and so on you never should get a LG phone, you should go for Xiaomi or other brand, and most importante Mediatek devices have more development than Qualcomm ones, so...if you dont care about the processor battle get a Mediatek phone.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beavis5706:
Awesome if I want CM, development, unlocked bootloaders, etc I have to by a piece of s**t. Horray.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] alsheron:
So I've been looking through the V10 Android Development threads and wondering what it's been like on XDA with the V10 in terms of Dev support/ROMs/ etc. I've asked over there for feedback. Doesn't look like there's been much interest in the V10 phone from Devs? Is there a reason why? Locked bootloader? No "sources" released? Is there a CM ROM available anywhere?

Reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting a V20 which looks like a great phone and I've always had Nexus phones in the past. Currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I still love. The V20 looks to me almost like a larger more modern and advanced Nexus 5 (both made by LG). The G5 I saw in a phone shop and it really didn't appeal to me (build quality seemed poor). What's the likelihood the V20 will get decent Dev support? Is there anything that will make it more likely?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] pico23:
What specifically was wrong with the G5 build? My wife has the phone and we both think its pretty nice. At least as good as the Galaxy it replaced and probably a bit nicer.

I'm also interested in your original question. How much support will this phone get and will the boat loader enforce secure boot?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.

This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.

Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.

No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Say what?

The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).

I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over

The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.

Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one. Until you see and know what having a unified hardware platform (like Nexus) does to accelerate development you don't get how screwed over you are by unique snowflake SKUs.

I too was excited for the v20, but LG fumbled the ball. in 3 months when the price comes down from the early-adopter surcharge (hopefully) I'll think about getting one. Depending on what I see.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.

The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.

You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).

See:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995

I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
The unlocked version also doesn't have AT&T's bands 29 & 30 and T-Mobile's Band 66. Personally, I plan to get the AT&T V20. I don't mind the (expected) lack of updates so much as long the current version doesn't have glaring bugs. For AT&T you also need a branded device for VoLTE.

I currently have the Nexus 5 and Google left it with major bugs for a few months (one of them was broken car Bluetooth). So my experience with Google wasn't that great. The Pixel devices look like bad iPhone and Galaxy copies.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Interesting. I'll look into it more.

I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
The development is what I find cool. It is why I keep ending up being a tester for ROM teams (did it on Note 2, and still on Nexus 6)....but Android generally is getting really f'ing annoying on some of this crap. SafetyNet for example isn't just a framework for AndroidPay and stopping you from using your phone from paying for a burger due to Xposed, corporate email servers are now using it....so if you modify your firmware in any unauthorised way your employer may well not let your phone talk to your work email servers anymore (one of mi amigos on Team Twisted has this problem-nothing we can do). Google seems to be wanting to go iron-fisted in security and sacrificing FOSS development for "security".

There was a post on r/Android tonight outlining some of the more obscure technical problems, and outright annoyances for developers as well in the current Android landscape generally: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/56qr4z/why_i_am_giving_up_on_android/

FWIW....he mentions specifically kernel 3.18; that kernel is not only used by the upcoming Pixel but according to the posted v20 system dump, a few subforums down, is the kernel v20 is going to ship with as well. When that OP is speaking about shipping a brand new device in Q4 2016 with a 2-year-old+ kernel ceasing upstream patching in 2-3 months as being insanity.....he's not just talking Pixel, he's also talking v20.

I wouldn't borderline rant on it unless the device had a ton of potential...which v20 especially does, and seeing LG squander it with shortsighted planned obsolescence is frustrating.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] thegameksk:
Personally I am okay with not too many roms. All I need is root for Viper and a few other apps.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] esqueue:
I really think that I'll get this phone to replace my G4. I had to come to terms that the bootloader will never be unlocked on all models except T-Mobile and certain international models. I've also accepted that there will be absolutely zero dev support.

Don't fault me for being pessimistic. Being optimistic with the possibility of Dev support and observing how the G4, G5 and V10 turned out is plain foolish.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:

This is according to frequencycheck.com.

Frequency Band	LG VS995 V20 XLTE	LG US996 V20 LTE-A

GSM 850	Yes	Yes

GSM 900 (E-GSM)	Yes	Yes

GSM 1800 (DCS)	Yes	Yes

GSM 1900 (PCS)	Yes	Yes

UMTS B1 (2100)	Yes	Yes

UMTS B2 (1900 PCS)	Yes	Yes

UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1)	No	Yes

UMTS B5 (850)	Yes	Yes

UMTS B8 (900 GSM)	Yes	Yes

LTE B2 (1900 PCS)	Yes	Yes

LTE B3 (1800 +)	Yes	Yes

LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1)	Yes	Yes

LTE B5 (850)	Yes	Yes

LTE B7 (2600)	Yes	Yes

LTE B12 (700 ac)	No	Yes

LTE B13 (700 c)	Yes	Yes

LTE B17 (700 bc)	No	Yes

LTE B20 (800 DD)	Yes	Yes

LTE B25 (1900 +)	No	Yes

CDMA BC0 (800)	Yes	Yes

CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS)	Yes	Yes

Cheers
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Their listing for the VS995 is incorrect/incomplete compared to what the LG Electronics sent to the FCC and has on file. Read and compare, some of their entries are wrong (VS995 does indeed have Band 25), some like Band 66 are left out or missing (VS995 has that too). WCDMA is either seemingly absent although maybe they call that "UTMS". CDMA support is also flawed (should be 850/1900 for VS995 not 800/1900). I don't have easy to call up numbers for US996 ATM, but one way or another-their band support table is incorrect.

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102983

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102984

The phones are not radio band identical.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minutes of unpacking it from the box.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996

Cheers
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Please report back once you have it working. I'm very interested in doing this too. I'd love to not get stuck with the bloat.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] windozeanti:
There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
thanks for your expert opinion. nobody will take it seriously, but thanks!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sguerra923:
Actually, devs that tried supporting Note 7 are now interested in developing for the V20 from the online polls since the note 7 has been officially canceled
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Kansatsusha:
That just made the V20 more tasty
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] esqueue:
There is being optimistic and there is being foolish. Reviewing the G4 , V10 and G5 tells you that there most likely will not be any decent dev due to the locked bootloader.

Do what I am doing and get this phone being okay with no dev. Any dev that does appear will be a happy addition but not expected.

I do want to support LG as they are the only one who seems to put together a hardware combo that I wan't. Big flat screen, removable battery, Expandable storage, usb-c and quick charging are just some of the things. I can't get all of these in any other phone on the sprint network.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
developer.lge.com

This is a conversation I had with LG development.

EMSpilot

Registered:

12-OCT-2016

Post: 1

V20 US996 Variant

Posted : 12-OCT-2016

Dear Sirs,

I see that you will offer a V20 US996 non carrier variant. I would like to do some development with this phone. Will I be able to unlock the bootloader? Or will you have another U.S. variant with an unlocked bootloader?

Thank you very much

Bill

Topic : Security

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narae0.kim

Registered:

21-JAN-2013

Post: 1700

Re: V20 US996 Variant

Posted : 13-OCT-2016 in response to : EMSpilot

Hello,

Currently, details such as support range of V20 about bootloader unlocking have yet to be determined.

If there are any changes to the supported devices, we will let you know via our website.

Thank you.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Two weeks away and they don't know?? That's bizarre.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] StaticMoot:
That's the camp I'm in at this point with any new phone I get. I came from ATT last year to T-Mobile and got an S7 Edge on T-mobile. So I've gotten used to not having any decent dev support since it's been since my Nexus 6 since I've had an unlocked bootloader. So I go for a phone based on it's own merits and if it gets dev support, well that's just fine.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
They probably have to clear it with legal.

In the USA, consumer law permits manufacturers to kill your warranty if you root or unlock bootloader... But in say the EU, which has much better consumer protections, they cannot pull that crap.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] douger1957:
For every new and upcoming phone, there's usually at least three threads asking whether there will be root or an unlocked bootloader. The thing is two weeks from hitting the street. Anyone who proclaims to know the answer is simply guessing.

This is an educated guess: the phone will come with a locked bootloader. How can I guess that? Because there's more money and less hassle selling to the masses, corporations, and government with the bootloader locked than there is selling unlocked phones to the development community. Do you need more proof? It looks like the Pixel is hitting the street locked.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Source please......................
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
When viewed in the USA, that is what the official bootloader unlock tool website says, very first red bullet point.

https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryTypeCode=ANRS

That kind of language is basically boilerplate in the USA across all phone manufacturers. I've heard tell of unrelated hardware failures not being warrantied because a device had modified firmware... Like say a loose USB port
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Yeah,HTC pretty much says the same thing.

Whether it's legal or not to exclude such is another topic altogether.

I've seen somewhere to whether this is illegal,dating a regulation back to the '70's,I'll see if I can find it later.

In the meantime,mfgs just play the stall tactics card,hoping we'll just eventually throw in the towel on warranty claims........
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] ubergeek77:
No it doesn't. I don't know why people still think this is true, especially since US law hasn't allowed anything like that since 1975.

See:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/jailbreaking-iphone-rooting-android-does-not-void-warranty

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/700.10

They have to prove what you did actually caused the device to malfunction, and in most cases that isn't going to be possible for the company since rooting is relatively harmless.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Why? Because all OEMs do it IRL. Seriously.

Right now go to the LG bootloader unlock tool and read the very first line of red font. In short, if you unlock the BL your warranty is permanently hosed.

That is why people rightly think so. Because that is what happens right now. Fight the good fight and sue the bastards if you want, but that is what automatically happens. Of course the legal action will cost more than the phone is worth by an order of magnitude and take years to fight...so yes irl you lose your warranty and nothing else matters irl. Arguing with the warranty department is like arguing with a brick wall
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dc13:
Wow such negative people. Well while they play on their stock phone I'll be posting roms for us.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
Luv Roms and Flashing them :)!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Vercinaigh:
Funny.....my g4 seems to have cyanogenmod on it just fine for....a long time now? Get daily updates, and cm14 support already!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dfogelstrom:
Sounds like a plan! I'm on the T-Mobile note 7 right now, and looking to switch to theV20 just like you my friend! You chef the ROMs my friend, and I will test away! Thank you for being positive!!!! Finally! Development!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dc13:
I'm just going to help the other devs. If I am first to a Rom cool I'll get us a dump the day I get it if not.

Sent from my Note 7 cause I'm baller
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dfogelstrom:
Sick. I am here to help with whatever as well. Pre order for me at t-mobile is the 17th, so I will be there ordering it then. Holding on to my note 7 until then. I think the V20 is going to see a lot of love due to the fact Samsung messed up so bad. Anyway, see y'all soon with the V20.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] esqueue:
You are on T-Mobile which will more likely than not, get it's bootloader unlocked. The rest of us "negative people" are the ones with a locked bootloader.

I'll say it again for those who are in my position, make sure that you like the phone in stock form before purchasing it. Due to the phone's hardware, I'm already decided to purchase it. Due to LG's history with phones from the G4 (which I currently own) and newer, it's an extremely educated guess that the bootloader will remain locked on non T-Mobile US and some European models.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] speedy1979:
According to this the Lg V20 will definitely have a locked boot-loader.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=69181354&postcount=6
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] joeygee23:
Jesus...after the Note 7 debacle...this phone has everrything a dev/custom user could want. Devs will come...full root and TWRP ...maybe, maybe not...add ons and mods...those will come. I just ordered mine on T- Mobile... Give it some time. Patience grasshoppers. The phones to good to ignore.

---------- Post added at 11:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:13 PM ----------

I agree wholeheartedly... Just ordered mine on T-Mobile. Hope Overdrive developer of Note 4 Maximum Overdrive follows.

---------- Post added 18-10-2016 at 12:26 AM ---------- Previous post was 17-10-2016 at 11:59 PM ----------

Just confirmed with Overdrive he's coming!!!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dc13:
LG is not around for it's security if that's the case

Sent from my Note 7 cause I'm baller
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] windozeanti:
I bet only the EU model will have unlocked bootloader. The global model will be locked down. :D
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
I suspect t-mobile version will be unlockable...

Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jinkerz9430:
There is someone who claims that the bootloader from Tmobile's model can be unlocked . He says he did it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv20/comments/583xei/tmobile_shipped_my_lg_v20_today/d8xhyhv

I will be placing my order in few minutes! :cool::cool:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] iunlock:
This is getting more and more interesting indeed. Hopefully this is true...

:fingers-crossed:
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jellybear456:
This gentleman here on XDA also claims he unlocked it using the redditor's method.

Link

If the V20's bootloader can be unlocked and we are able to get root and recovery, i'll definitely be upgrading from my note 5:good:
[Honor 3C Questions & Answers] re.ha947:
PLZ help me My Honor3c is not working last time i rooted my phone a file requested to install i accepted it was rom from oneclick root after install of file restarted NOw its stuck in Boot looop Not charging not getting into recovery mode what should i do Help me:confused:
[Honor 3C Questions & Answers] adriansticoid:
It is not recommended to use One Click Root.
[Honor 3C Questions & Answers] muradulislam:
Download the latest firmware for your phone. Extract to get update.app

Put it in dload folder in your SD card and then press and hold power, vol up, vol down until reboot.

All your partitions will be flashed anew and your phone should be OK after that.
[Honor 3C Questions & Answers] hassanjavaid8181:
Flash stock rom via spft b108