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[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] Gerrit507:
As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.

And that the 821 reaches a higher frequency doesn't automatically mean that the CPU has a higher quality. I know it would be possible that the 820s are only bad 821s that don't surpass quality tests but I don't think so because the 820 was released much earlier. Usually it goes the other way around, like on GPUs. Nvidia first releases the very high end models and then sells the crappy GPUs in the lower end models. I don't think that Qualcomm is like, hey we are picking out all really good 820s and pile them up to sell them as 821s... A 821 could be better and more efficient but it's not necessarily true. A good 820 could still be as good or even better than a 821, regarding effiency. Also think about AMD Processors a few years ago, whole cores where unlock able and there was still room for OC if you were lucky.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] Hoodeddeathman:
When talking about efficiency I'm referring more to undervolting as appose to underclocking, it may be the case that they have chosen those frequencies because the 821 steps up in voltage beyond that point thus increasing power consumption and heat. We'll have to wait and see how the Pixel performs, but if that underclock means the thermal load is capped lower we will also see less throttling, ideal for daydream.

As an example I would refer to overclocking desktop CPUs, the architecture is different but how it responds to heat and power is not. beyond a certain frequency the CPU requires exponentially more power and generates exponentially more heat the higher you go.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] ramqashou:
http://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_xl_benchmark_doesnt_show_performance_improvement-news-20927.php

This benchmark proves to all those who insist that the chipset in the pixel phones is better than the original snadragon 820
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] firewave:
It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.

But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] ramqashou:
For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] B3501:
This seems a very big piece of marketing by Google. It isn't really an SD 821, its an SD820.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] mixedguy:
The 821 only has a 10% performance increase when clocked at its max frequency, so even if Google did leave it at its max frequency, a 10% increase would be barely noticeable, if noticeable at all in real world use.

The 821 does have some features that aren't available on the 820, which is why Google probably chose the 821 over the 820. I found this info about two important features for the 821, that's not found in the 820 and quoted it below.

"One of the main reason why Google used the Snapdragon 821 in the Pixel phones is the Snapdragon VR SDK (Software Development Kit). This is entirely unavailable with the Snapdragon 820. The new SDK comes with advanced VR toolset to give the developers broad access to the internal architecture of the Snapdragon 821 chipset. This is extremely useful and fully compatible with Google Daydream platform. The VR SDK helps in the rendering of cutting-edge visual and audio which helps in state of the art Virtual Reality experience."

"Another important thing which is unknown for most people is about the camera improvements brought by the MSM8996 Pro. The SoC can simultaneously use two phase detectors for significant improvement in focussing quality and time. On the contrary, the Snapdragon 820 or MSM8996 only supports single PDAF (Phase Detecting Auto Focus) systems. The newer chipset extends the range of laser autofocus technology. This will substantially boost the laser-assisted autofocus systems of upcoming smartphones."
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] Nitemare3219:
That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.

Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] JasonJoel:
That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full clock speeds without throttling...
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] lexcyn:
The phone being a uni-body aluminium shell should help with that. My 5X gets mega hot when I run games or for extended screen on times, but the back is plastic. I think using the whole surface of the phone as an additional heat-sink so to speak could help with heat dissipation.

Either way - I hope someone tries to OC it back to "stock" qualcomm speeds. I will certainly try to see the results, that is, if custom kernels can be a thing with the Pixel.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] ramqashou:
That's true i can't

Deny the power of stock android, but there are many other OEM custom skins that are well optimized and are plenty fast such as sense and Lg ux 5.0 and even the oxygen OS
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] ramqashou:
Folks who buy the pixel and the pixel XL, they want performance, as you can see everyone said they would overclock it, so maybe the VR experience is improved as well as the camera, but for that price i think google should've packed them with the SD821 that is clocked at 2.4
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] hutzdani:
who the hell plays bloody games on a 5" / 5.5" any way that NEEDS to run at 60FPS they are crappy phone games or ported older games that ran on far older hardware just fine ?

buy a Games console or a PC ! I play FF7 on my Nexus 7 2013 and that thing runs smooth as a baby anyway screw trying to play games with on screen controls on such small devices hell i'd even avoid it on the 6P and the N6
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] JasonJoel:
A lot of people play emulators and games on phones. Just because you don't doesn't mean that those who do are wrong...

And as far as screen size goes... I guess you've never played a Nintendo 3DS or Sony PSP... lol
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] lexcyn:
Clearly you are out of touch with what is going on - mobile is now the top platform for gaming whether you use it for that or not.

I game casually if I am bored and stuck somewhere without a console/PC.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] hutzdani:
Oh I did play on the original Nintendo game boy and owned NES and Mega Drive, quickly realising portable gaming was trash vs a standalone device and have ever since, I had a PSP but the games where fully fleshed out on the main console or PC far better than you can enjoy on a small display.

Growing up with these things you see the merits and faults and realise that if you want a proper experience you go the whole hog not some half arsed attempt, mobile gaming is 90% utter crap due to the translation to on screen controls and poor interfaces you can't beat a proper HID setup.

Phones are not great for games and casual games in my eyes don't cut it or make you a gamer, angry birds and the likes of candy crush is just ****e VS the likes of MGS or Silent Hill.

It's a phone most of the customers won't even play anything that demanding for modern hardware let alone stuff from 5 years ago that handled it just fine, the OS gets more bloated 3rd party's write ****ty apps with sod all optimisation and phones get full of utter crap and run like **** 6 to 8 months down the line unless your tech savvy and can mitigate against such things and the market Google are aiming for are the mass market just want the newest shiny thing crowd.

Web browsing and the odd YT video is going the most demanding thing these devices will do !

Frankly if your buying a phone to play games your an idiot, you can have a console or two for these prices and a far far better experience.

Google have managed to trap you into a market and will attempt to since you of every penny or dime they can.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] JasonJoel:
No one has trapped me into anything. I primarily use my phone as a phone and for texting. Wanting to ALSO play some games on it is my preference/desire.

And for you console comment... I can't exactly take my PS4 on the train, into the doctor's office, etc - now can I?
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] heorung:
So SD820 or SD821 wasn't a problem , right?
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] Hoodeddeathman:
Or the toilet...
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] alien314159265:
Guest reply here I come. Firmware is not that hard to flash alongside with the updates that will come in the future. Maybe they are slowly transitioning the cpu frequency based on real world performance first and determining heat scenarios. Say 6 months down the road they have an update and it makes your phone faster(full clock speed). Well maybe they just increased the headroom to utilize other updates in the future. better than shipping a phone at full speed getting hot, throttled and then fast charged, a phone that gets hot and ..... blows up. Until the chips are 10nm or less then a new cooling method will be needed.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] AstroDigital:
Bootload, root and overclock.

I done this is the past, the only thing I lose a bit of sleep over is if I increase the clock how much am I reducing battery life.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] borisb:
Google Daydream works also on the Axon 7.

Someone mentioned that you have to have the 821 cpu for daydream, that is not true.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] iceman4357:
Interesting thread. I read through a few Reddit threads of people that have the phone already. The Pixel ended up scoring lower than the Galaxy S7. Seemed really strange being that the Pixel is a 1080 screen and the S7 is QHD. Doesn't make sense that the Pixel wouldn't perform better.
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] juliend:
Maybe you should go back to a flip phone? It would save you a bunch of money. If you have no interest in gaming on the device, you surely don't need a snapdragon CPU with Adreno GPU. Frankly, anyone who would waste $600+ on a mobile device designed to handle gaming that doesn't want to use any of the performance the device offers, and just do web browsing and youtube with it is an idiot. :)
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] alien314159265:
Overclock is Kernal based. right?

I understand the overclocking thing. I was under the impression that the phones firmware doesn't allow overclocks that take away the changing of the multiplier or clock speed. Just to clarify, they don't stay at the X.x Ghz the whole time but your reduced battery life is due to pushing/using the processor to that state(X.xGhz) after the overclock at that moment. Not holding X.xGhz constantly. It can still go into a low power state, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. :confused:

Sorry to go off topic somewhat. But I think it can be said that the underclock of the pixel is due to battery life (which all nexus phones got knocked for), and also heat dissipation, which is the new big problem the media is eating up. :svetius:
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] AstroDigital:
True, Bootload, root, flash a custom firmware that supports over clocking, and the overclock
[Google Pixel XL Questions & Answers] nrage23:
Apparently there a 2 versions of the 821. Google chose the lower version they did not underclock it. Good article on XDA News.

http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] Mcyates:
I'm hoping its a stock phone so when google do an update and release it, I don't have to wait a few months for EE to release theirs.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] mcnob:
Best thing to do is ask EE through twitter (@EE). They're actually very helpful. Post your findings back here. :o)
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] Mcyates:
I never thought about asking them, I'll do it now and let you know.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] Mcyates:
It's stock android.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] mcnob:
However, the bootloader WILL be locked. Only unlockable if you're PAYG or after your contract is up. Dunno how this will affect OTA updates.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] gadgetgaz:
I don't really believe that it will be a stock OS because they'll most certainly want their WiFi calling app on it.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] mcnob:
I'm with EE and bought my Nexus 6P from Google directly and WiFi calling works just fine. I'm hoping it's stock but knowing EE, it'll have some form of rubbish on it that prevents proper Android OTAs.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] gadgetgaz:
Hey that's promising then - it could mean the Pixel will have it too!
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] nbhadusia:
Got mine pre ordered from ee too. Will the bootloader definately be unlockable? If so, how quick are ee with pushing android updates? What's their track record been on the nexus 6p?
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] mcnob:
Can't comment on EE update speeds but I bought mine from Carphone Warehouse, just to be on the safe side. Expected delivery on 20th (release date) too.
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] nbhadusia:
Looks like those on EE will get OTA along with everyone else! (Evend though bootloader maybe locked). They're not installing any customisation's ..

https://community.ee.co.uk/t5/Android/Pre-order-Pixel-the-Phone-by-Google/td-p/491795
[Google Pixel Questions & Answers] killall:
I ordered my N6 through EE. Fully stock, no bootloader restrictions and no bloatware, they didn't even pre-load the EE app. Hopefully it will be the same for Pixel.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mn1968:
So...I know just enough to be dangerous. I am attempting to slightly customize stang5litre Ultra Note5 - just change the quick settings toggle colors & text, slider bar colors, & perhaps change the dialer keypad buttons. Maybe a little more if I'm successful. I have been reading up on how to do this by editing xml files from here and here.

My problem is finding all the correct apks to decompile and edit. For example I have decompiled "SecSettings2" but it doesn't appear to have all the necessary files and I can not find a simple "SecSettings" or "Settings" apk. The same goes for the phone/dialer. I have found "Telecom.apk" and "TeleService.apk" but no Phone apk or SecPhone apk.

Any guidance is appreciated!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] bg260:
/system/framework/framework-res.apk maybe?
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbolt:
Hello all,

I've recently given in to the draconic overlords that demanded no root (i.e. Niantic). I've rolled my phone back to OxyegnOS 2.1.4 (Android 5.1.1). Are there any more recent ROMs, possibly custom ROMs, that do not have root?

Thanks for any help you can offer.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Jack of Clubs:
sultans cm13 is specifically unrooted for apps that require no root. theres some xposed modules for things like pokemon go, banking apps, and snapchat if you want to keep root as well.

http://xdaforums.com/oneplus-one/orig-development/rom-kernel-unofficial-cyanogenmod-13-0-t3242700
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xymic:
You can use Magisk and play your game even if you're rooted. Check this out. You can use it with AutoMagisk, which will automatically unroot on the fly when you open the game!
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbolt:
Thank you. I was using Magisk on CM13 but that stopped working, PoGo was really intermittent. Then I updated Magisk and phhsuperuser and only after the fact realized that they removed the root toggle feature in the latest version. That's what prompted the move to stock and the question above.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbolt:
Thank you for this. I knew there were some around but I just couldn't filter them out from the root-included ROMs.
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] ioy:
Just have gotten Aqua-m4 a fresh new phone, it has Android version 5.0 and many bloatware from Orange ;)

Want to save warranty however as well want many tweaks possible with root only, Xpose modules, SD utilisation as internal storage etc

Please, instruct me how to manage the phone step by step taking into account recent development, appearing MM etc and how to avoid mistakes :)
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] StoyanP:
Best advice I can give you is pretty simple: get rid of it and find a better phone.

Source: M4 Aqua owner for a year (me)
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] Siea Group:
come to xperiasite.pl
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] ioy:
However I need waterproof for medium budget, is there any better?

And, BTW explain what do you mean better phone: iPhone 7, Galaxy S6, they are too expensive as for JUST a phone, in my humble opinion
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] StoyanP:
I wouldn't trust it as far as water resistance goes. It's supposed to be IP68 but it really doesn't hold up that well in water. And for a better phone, I think it's a good strategy to buy a flagship phone from 1/2 years ago instead of a brand new middle class one. That way you get a maybe slightly outdated, but still top of the line product.
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] ioy:
[MENTION=7249521]StoyanP[/MENTION], even if standard IP68 is just partially obeyed here it is still needed as other phones don't offer any protection at all, including older flagships.

Partial using the waterproof protection is a bottom line warranty to my view, it could be enforced with waterproof pouch case if there is a need swim with this phone:

http://www.androidauthority.com/best-waterproof-pouch-cases-smartphones-689477/

Applying such double protection is means of escaping from a wet trouble, nothing less would make us sure.
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] komer:
I agree 100%
[Sony Xperia M4 Aqua] ioy:
I like this phone, the more the longer play with it, it's waterproofness is very needed to me and it's specs is enough.

However the attitude of Sony corporation is what makes me pissed off, they apply the policy to spoil hardware potentials as much as possible with their softwares.

However that's why helping hands of you, my Friends, are very needed! You are the power to bring "have it all" from the piece of this hardware ;) and this is the ART :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] davehami:
Thanks to the wisdom of members in this forum (and others) I felt able to attempt the replacement of my broken m3100 LCD screen. Bought a new screen off ebay for £23 (same part no.) and managed to to put everything back together without having anything left over. Restarted the phone and the screen works perfectly. Hooray!

The digitizer is however way off and the stylus draws about 2 inches above where it actually is on the screen. Boo!

After a hard re boot I returned to the windows welcome screen but can't get past the screen alignment cycle- it just repeats.

I have taken the phone apart again, cleaned it and even managed to boot up without the screen being in the casing and same problem existed (ie the case isn't interfering with the screen). I did remove the welcome.lnk file to skip the screen align page but it doesn't really solve the underlying calibration problem.

Running out of ideas as to how to recalibrate the digitizer and about to be barred from Google for overuse of their search engine! I guess that there must be software variables that calibrate the stylus to the screen position -but where? Presumably the Align Screen program in the WM6 welcome screen alters them, could my initial values be too far out to allow adjustment- hence the constant cycling of the screen align app?

Any thoughts on a solution?

Dave (Falling at the last hurdle?)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
There is software available that allows you to bypass the alignment screen. However, I'm not sure how effective this would be. It would allow you to start the device but whether you would succeed in aligning the screen is questionable.

As I am at work at present I am unable to search out the links to the software needed - I will post this later.

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] dan1967:
you can try to install this cab (my reg settings for TyTN) and soft reset.

It should work as I always bypass the welcome screen after HR (touch calib, email, hour, time etc) and autoinstall it.

"edit" -> To bypass screen calibration just put an empty file called "welcome.not" on your storage card.

cheers,

dan
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Jimmyfish:
Screen alignment program

Why do I keep getting a "403 Forbidden" when I try to download the proper zip file?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
Good question - is it the zip referred to on my post above you are talking about?

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] davehami:
Many thanks guys. Will keep on working on it and post back on how I get on. The screen alignment did seem to improve with running the alignment program from the today->settings ->screen app (accessed by bypassing the welcome screen by deleting the welcome.lnk file) and then switching to standby repeatedly (20 times!)..... so progress of sorts. Screen is now showing more 'typical' screen alignment issues of straight lines bending as you go across the screen. I'm trying the "business card" work around in case there are problems at the edges but no joy so far. Will let you know.:rolleyes:

Dave
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] cyberbot:
Many thanks

Worked for me just

i tried but i dont have my user number who was already in my SIM
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] xPr0metheus:
I hope it won't be only a Note 7 Grace UX Port. Android 7 has some cool new features (for example notifications) which I hope will be implemented accurately.

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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] ssgunner20:
Hmmm, i don't know. From the screenshots ive seen from the nexus or the pixel, 7.0 looks a lot like nova launcher imo. Not a big fan of it but don't hate it. Not familiar with the notifications you speak of. Will have to look into it.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] worf_1977:
Will be another TouchWiz iteration. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't expect Nova like or similar resemblance

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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] QBerto:
Samsung said will be the exact same UI on the note 7 what we will get, like am onth ago, when confirmed what devices where getting nougat
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CrEaTiiOn_187:
We'll get the notifications and everything from 7.0 but skinned with the Grace UX from the Note 7.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] xPr0metheus:
I hope they make the quicksettings smaller like on stock 7.0

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