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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Super Chimp:
The 6P actually looks better value for money. There doesn't seem to be a sufficient upgrade between the two.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Ryno77:
I have both the nexus 6p and the pixel xl. IMO there is a huge difference. The pixel is the fastest smoothest phone I have ever used. I haven't seen any lag at all. The screen is much better, much brighter. I haven't compared speakers on both so can't say much about that. Not having the 810 is worth a couple hundred dollars to me alone. I hated that about the 6p....freaking thing would become unusable when the throttling kicked in. Battery life is much better on the pixel. Water resistance is much better on the pixel. Camera is much better on the pixel. Build quality is better on the pixel. I could go on and on. It's expensive but it's definitely an upgrade from the 6p....is it worth it? To me it is.....that stupid 810 frustrated the heck out of me. If you use one for a while I don't think anyone could argue it has the best user experience of any Android phone ever. It's so crazy fast compared to everything else I've used.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
Hate to burst your bubble but looks like the one plus 3 beat out the pixel xl and cost twice the price
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
All you are looking at are specs. You have to look beyond the hardware. Google has definitely used their expertise in software to to maximize the the hardware they put together. I have not seen another Android phone manufacturer put as much effort into getting the software optimized so well with the hardware. This is what Apple is best at and we finally have it on Android.

BTW most manufacturers do not optimize Android for their phone at all. That is why you see lag and phones that slow down over time.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
Is the one plus 3 I guarantee pixel xl rom will be made as soon as 7.1 is available. Also oxygen OS is basically stock software
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
We will see how well it runs.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] shamdawg:
I also have both and agree with you. Pixel XL is smoother, battery life and camera are much better. Screen is brighter. Volume spacing is better. The slightly smaller size is more manageable. Google did an excellent job on the whole package. Great user experience. It is more expensive but is it worth it to me.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Super Chimp:
That's the one thing that the Pixel has like an iPhone it's software is custom build for its hardware. I doubt that experience can be transposed to other phones.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Ryno77:
I can't test that since it won't work on Verizon but I'm betting if you tried both phones you'd pick the pixel. Us nexus or stock Android users are used to basing our purchases on specs alone but this phone has more going for it than just specs. It is so much smoother and faster than anything I've used. Nothing I've used comes close to this. Is it worth the extra $...I don't know but it's a very nice phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dtreth:
Um, what? I am literally baffled. The Play Store has people you can chat or call, Fi has people you can chat or call. The phone has an entire panel in settings solely dedicated to support.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
Totally agree. In would rather chat with someone from Google then any other company. They are super nice even when they know you are not in the right.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
I own a one plus 3 a nexus 6p and went to meet with someone to buy a pixel and I said no. Software will be available on the one plus 3 in a matter of time and I have my Nexus 6p rooted running 7.1 and I can say feels like just the pixel.not as fast but I'm sure that the one plus will be on par if not faster than the pixel once we get 7.1.

all pixel apps can be ported to work on other phones running 7.1.1

See screenshot below nexus 6p
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Adz523:
I didn't t mean they weren't available, I meant that they don't know anything - clueless about when there will be more stock and shipping time and that's purposeful obviously ............... see what bugged me was that I ordered in the google store on the 4th right after the conference. Around 430 pm est. Yet won't be receiving my phone it appears until after thanksgiving. Meanwhile for customers who ordered the same phone up to 10-14 days after me through Fi or thru Verizon had their order fulfilled this past week thereby leaving some loyal google store customers in the dust. If I had known that was to be the fulfillment priority, I would have gladly ordered through either of them. Shame on them. I need a phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
I wonder if FI had their own stock of phones like Verizon. I ordered mine through FI. Mine is a 32 gig model though. The 128 gig models are harder to get.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dtreth:
Oh, so what you're really angry about is that Fi and Verizon customers got priority over you. I can understand that complaint, but that is totally different than your complaint. And to say the support is unknowledgable because they adhere to the standard industry practice of not quoting an exact date until that exact date is 100% certain is nearly slanderous, in my opinion.

But to try to address your complaint: I am sure there were a certain number of units manufactured in the "first batch". X of these were probably sold off to Verizon, in bulk. They come right off the top, and there is therefore no way for Google or Verizon to get one of "their" phones to you over Verizon customers (who pre-ordered later in part presumably because their pre-orders went live later). Now if that's something you can understand, it's logical (if not desirable to you) that Google also allotted a block of Pixels for Project Fi, given that this is their preferred way to use the devices and all.

I understand your situation sucks, and I would consider cancelling and grabbing the Moto Z if it were me, but it's not some sort of conspiracy to screw you over, and it has nothing to do with the knowledge of the Google support staff, who have been to a person the most technically knowledgeable L1 customer service I have ever come into contact with.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Adz523:
Yes exactly, I wasn't aware of the apparent lack of communication around fulfillment and shipping priorities -- if I was indeed communicated or made public then that's obviously on me.

And what I meant by service, but I should have been more specific (so my bad) was their lack of knowledge about fulfillment, etc, Not technical expertise or availability. Or anything else like that, I'm sure they are amazing. So in the future I will make sure to think about my post before posting.

Just expressing some frustration and my tone was one of disappointment since I really wanted to try something different and I thought I got in early ordering the day of- not 5 weeks . Finally I know it's not a conspiracy, so chill, just wish I knew the order of priority.

Anyway , I do really need to buy a phone in the next couple of weeks so will look to other alternatives like the one you suggest - the moto z, so thx for that advice.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dtreth:
My sister has the Moto Z Force, and it's drool-worthy. Heads up: it's the attachments which make it great, but they make it by far the most expensive phone out there.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
I think this is where you will be wrong. I have never experienced in my whole life on XDA, a ported rom from different hardware that was as good as the source. There is no way that the OnePlus 3 in any way will be as smooth as the Pixel, no matter what rom you find. When I go from my Pixel to my wifes 6p, you honestly notice the difference instantly. I was really battling whether to buy the pixel, but this alone reassured me that I will be happy for the next 2 years.

Don't forget that a lot of things are hardware as well, simple things like the compass with other sensors. I notice straight away how much more accurate the gps is on the pixel compared to 6p, 6p would often think I'm pointing in a random direction and take ages to update, whether Pixel you can do this inside a building and it will follow your direction. This comes from the sensors for Daydream which 6P and OP3 doesn't have.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
The one plus 3 is smoother than the 6p now. And it's still on android 6.0 lol and the one plus runs nearly stock Android so trust me when I say that the op3 will be on par if not faster than the pixel, no rom has to be ported we just need one plus to update and they already stated that they are working on android 7.1 already, and I do like the pixel and I will get it eventually. But I just don't think it's worth its premium price. When it barely holds up with a 400$ phone, twice as cheap.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
I agree that it is expensive, but you can't honestly compare the op3 against the pixel or the 6p. Op3 camera is quite average compared to 6p and pixel. Screen is great but again you mid or on behalf with 1080p 5.5" screen. Also op3 speaker and output quality is poor compared to pixel. Don't forget when you buy op, you are buying into an unknown world of bugs and update times. You are definitely getting what you pay for. Op3 is a fantastic phone but not in the same league as pixel or 6p in my opinion.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] emtownsend:
I would so go for this if I could be assured of Verizon connectivity. Has there been any progress on Verizon adding the Axon 7 to their database?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] markwebb:
I doubt it after almost 5 months since its release. I had the Axon when it first came out (one of the lucky ones to get it upfront w/o waiting) and though a very decent phone for the price, I couldn't get past the software glitches and UI, average camera, iffy support, and VZW issues where it did work but was missing some features. Build quality was excellent. It will work on VZW.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
I use my DSLR p

For pics so that's not a concern, and using both phones. I did not test the speaker and yes I know the screen is better on the pixel. But I think 1080p is just fine for a 5.5. I bought my OP and was the best investment I have ever made.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
Op3 like I said it's a great phone. I hope you didn't buy a budget DSLR too....
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] egren58:
I have a cannon 6Ti gets the job done for what I need. I don't need a 5,000 DSLR to take pictures here and there.

All I am saying is that the XL is not worth an upgrade if you already own a OP3 already in my opinion and experience with both.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeikcallaway:
To everyone touting the greatness of the axon 7, I'd say err on the side of caution. I almost bought one but didn't because of the very poor low light camera performance. It seems that when the lighting is right, the camera is amazing but once out it starts getting dim, the phone starts over compensating and you get a mixed bag of results. I think this is where the pixel or even the op3 absolutely dominates the axon. Of course if you don't care then the axon is an amazing phone. I'm on the fence between a pixel xl and a op3 myself. They both seem to have pros and cons but I've hasn't screamed as obvious choice yet.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
I agree. But if your want a better camera, screen, CPU, software, speaker, battery, support, and more 4g bands here is Australia, then you know where to stuff the extra grand.

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Maybe wait for Xiaomi note 2. Sounds like it will be pretty awesome
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeikcallaway:
Ooh. That looks like a fantastic phone, though a bit big for me. 5.7" is a bit too big. 5.5 is as big as I would like.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Slicktune:
Im on the same boat, and i care about aesthetics, well first off axon is ugly... So for me its between PXL and OP3

Do i want a thick, expensive, high performing phone (pixel xl)?

Or do i want a thin, inexpensive, high performing phone but! With a crappy screen (pentile is the cheapest quality) and a crappy camera? (Op3)

Thats my question
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] infamousjax:
... You know the Pixel has a pentile screen too, right? Most all AMOLEDs are diamond pentile matrix. Its not s big deal anymore because the qHD resolution compensates...

Having said that, I can't justify the price if you are coming from a Note 7, S7, or even a OP3. No reason to upgrade either of those.... Except maybe for the note 7 explosion issue of course.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Slicktune:
Sorry for the late reply, im coming from this piece of garbage g5 i hate it...ihate it...and i hate it...my job gave it to me for free...but what i ment to say was apart from it being pentile its 1080p, i actually had bought the nexus 6p 64gb gold when best buy had it for 399.99, that was in september and i messed up and returned it because the pixel looked somewhat promising and i didnt wanna go over my 14 day remorse peroid on the 6p so i returned it and waited for the pixel...ordered the pixel due to the ease of financing but i feel like its way too much if i think anout it.... Plus when i went to see it it was so thick..compared to the op3 and the 6p..so i usually protect all my phones with a thin case but damn my phone is gonna end up looking like a brick in the hand...Thats why i think either 6p or op3 would be good..but its the screen quality 1080p that kills me....ughhhhh and the smaller battery but then the older 810 chip from the 6p kills me too i honestly never felt any throttling but i did feel sometimes heat from the phone from just watching youtube..idk...im lost...

Not sure what to do at this point..

Dont wanna spend $ 870 then $870 next year.....maybe if i get the op3 or 6p and spend $400 this year then next year $870..

Feedback please and thannks in advance!!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
It's dimensions look to be smaller than the pixel xl. The pixel xl is bigger than the note 5 and note 4 which have 5.7" screens. Also note that the notes and the Xiaomi have more usable screen real estate due to hardware buttons
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] OnlinePredator:
I really don't think people understand what they are talking about when they compare OP3 to Pixel xl. It's like saying that if I have a nexus 5 I shouldn't upgrade to OP3. The OP3 is a fantastic phone, albeit a mid-ranger. Like I said, it's a lot of little things that let it down, poor camera, poor speaker, poor dac quality, avg screen, no vr support, less sensors for vr, camera bump, poor battery. All these are not comparable to S7, note 7 or pixel.

At no point would I ever compare a Note 7 to a OP3. Likewise Pixel xl to op3.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] johnciaccio:
Totally agree. The camera only is amazing. And the speaker is tuned well as long as you keep the volume at 90% or lower the mids and lower come out very well for a single speaker. Over 90% volume and it changes the tone a bit.

The UI is the best response time I have seen on any Android phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zoid_99:
So I have preordered the XL and it's slated to come in mid November. I have a OP3 and it's ok, nothing super duper. I just picked up a S6 Edge+ for $200 in a low-ball eBay bid and wow. I'm seriously thinking about cancelling my XL order, selling my OP3 and using the Edge+ for the next year. Can the XL really be better than the S6 Edge+. I know processor speed will be better for VR and games but that's not me. I'm more a browser, media, tunes kind of person. I think I just talked myself into cancelling the XL order.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Gizmoe:
The s6 isn't even on the same playing field as the pixel. The s6 is a downgrade. Unless you meant the s7. But even the s7 is getting traded in for the pixel and people are happy with their decision. My brother can't stand the lag from TouchWiz on his s7. In short, absolutely, the pixel is better than an s6. But hey. If it works for you then keep using it until it doesn't.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zoid_99:
Yes I mean the S6 Edge+ with the 5.7" display , OIS 16MP OIS VDIS camera, wireless fast charge. Sure the CPU is slower (however the Exynos 7420 benched close to the SD 820) and currently no 7.1 but holy bejesus, It was $600 cheaper than the XL. I'm pretty sure I can use the S6 Edge+ for another year and wait for the next more thought out version of the Pixel.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Adz523:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Pixel-and-Pixel-XL-order-delay_id87039
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
I have an S6 edge plus, running a custom ROM and there is absolutely no lag. I think the touchwiz woes are the thing of the past. Starting with the S6, there hasn't been any lag while doing day to day things.

There is a speed test video comparing the Pixel to the S7 and the S7 is quicker when opening/loading over half of the apps/games tested. I understand that both devices are stock, and running custom ROM's might change that outcome, but not all people dig into their devices like that.

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So the best camera in the game has a glaring problem...interesting.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...flare-issue-will-use-magical-mathematics-fix/
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] veloslave:
First of all... lens flare is a normal component of photography. If you are using a real camera with real lenses and you do not want the effect, you use a lens hood and you are good to go. The whole article/issue is more a dramatic attempt at negative press than a real "issue."

But... if you ask JJ Abrams, lens flare is one of his favorite effects (Star Trek movies anybody?)

Last of all... who cares? If you don't like the effect, and it really can add a little extra kick in the right setting, it is pretty awesome that they can offer a fix via HDR+ and a little software tweaking.

Ah the marvels of new shiny gadgets!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Zeropoint:
While I knew about ZTE Axon 7 for a while, and the specs are sufficient for me (coming from original nexus 5), it comes down to the bands. Once I read this post, I thought this could be the answer and I did some research, but once again, I'm let down by the android hardware ecosystem. This is the biggest grip I have with android, and how apple has been constantly out shining them in this department. I travel a lot and I use, at least for me, the European and US bands but I'm sure other bands are useful for other people as well. Just make phones with more bands, or at least euro and US in one phone. The new pixel basically has all the bases covered, still not as good as the iphone, but plenty well enough to travel comfortably without needing to take a second phone. I'd buy the ZTE, and save the $400, in a heart beat. But once again, leave it to basically all the android phone makers out there to leave massive band gaps in their models, cause nobody ever travels right? I feel like some samsung models are the worst, something like 5-8 region specific models... thats nuts..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] maconsultant:
I think I'm going to cancel my preorder also and stick with my 6p, and 7+.. They are taking to long to ship and in that time 7.1 really breathed new life into my 6p.. Thanks Google! For giving me the time to reflect while I waited!

Oh and I guess I won't get my Day Dream VR headset for free now.. lol, big deal..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] juliend:
Some lens flare is normal. In some low light shots using flash with the pixel you can see nothing but lens flare. That's not normal.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Batfink33:
Google have admitted its a flaw so its not normal!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CayenneGTS:
You have 7.1 on your 6P? I doubt that very much. 7.1 is currently only available for the Pixel unless you've downloaded the developer beta version of Nougat 7.1
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dethknite:
Although it is only water-resistant.. it has proven to be resilient enough for my needs (i am not planning on swimming with my phone).

1 hour submersion
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] maconsultant:
What was your point? To point out I didn't put the word Beta in my post? Seriously? Guess your looking to raise your post count.

Sent from my iPhone...

7+..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] CayenneGTS:
So you're saying you have version 7.1 on your 6P? My point was to correct something wrong, not point out you're missing the word beta in your comment, but also to point out that its version 7.0 on your phone, not 7.1.

I didn't realize my comment would be perceived in such a manner as to get you all riled up like that. My apologies.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] maconsultant:
It's Friday man, get out go have a beer... It's not that serious..

Sent from my iPhone...

7+..
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] AndrasLOHF:
F#$%%^G THANK YOU!!!!!! Just :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: at all this "lens flare" garbage.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Mike Blitz:
http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/development/rom-nitrogen-os-n-substratum-24-10-2016-t3488101

Yeah he can't have it on his 6p even though there are roms for 7.1.

Get over yourself.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] thewebsiteisdown:
Here's my screenshot proving 7.1 on my S5.

I was able to get Google assistant and everything working on my phone with the Google pixel launcher now as well.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] X4c3:
Well if you don't want unlimited storage for photos and videos forever, then you made the right decision.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
XDA devs are on the case. Axon 7 already has a rough version of CM13. Will get CM14 fairly quick, I would bet. The hardware and price is too good to ignore.

So, yeah -- it'll get Nougat. ZTE unlocks the bootloader on request.

THIS is the HARDWARE and closer to the price the Pixel XL should have been. Google should be ashamed of themselves.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Cowbell_Guy:
I agree this phone isn't great and is overpriced... But for those of us on Verizon, with unlimited data who want an unlocked bootloader/rootable phone, what are the alternatives? I need a new phone by first quarter next year at the latest
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SlyUK:
Do you have a link to the CM14 thread for the Axon 7 ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] AlkaliV2:
Yeah, the bootloader on the verizon device is probably locked:

http://www.xda-developers.com/jcase-verizon-pixel-phone-may-not-be-bootloader-unlockable/
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
My bad. I meant rough version of CM13. I'll go back up and edit my reply. Sorry.

But it will get Nougat. Hardware and price are too good to ignore. Devs will be all over it.

You see they are already cannibalizing some cyanogenOS made for an Axon 7 variant...