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[Moto G 2015 General] piotr_cz:
Concerns not only G3

I'm in

Last week I've just got new Moto G3 (placed an order on 1st October).

At this moment it seems that 6 months after phone release date (July 2015) Lenovo stops releasing system updates (latest available system update is Android 6.0, security patch level 1. Jan 2016).

We all should be aware that if they won't change current mindset, the same strategy is going to be applied for other models.

If you buy the G4 model, Android 7 will be probably the latest available update. If you want features of Android 7.1 then the official advice is to buy a new rebranded model.
[Moto G 2015 General] itsdacj:
Alright, just so you know. Nougat strictly *requires* Vulkan support, and the Moto G (3rd Gen)/Adreno 306 GPU do not support it. Vulkan requires OpenGL ES 3.1, which the Adreno 306 doesn't have support for. The Adreno 306 supports OpenGL 3.0. With Nougat Google enforce Vulkan requirements, and if the device doesn't support Vulkan, it does not pass the GMS (Google Mobile Services) Certification, which means that, within the license agreement, the device cannot use Google Apps, like Play Services. So a company, such as Motorola, could not update their device and simply *include* Google Play Services without breaching their GMS License Agreement with Google. There. Case closed.

Essentially, Google are the bad guys here, enforcing a requirement of Vulkan support in Nougat. So blame them.
[Moto G 2015 General] ALPHAWolf96:
Read the Op first before closing the case lol.
[Moto G 2015 General] itsdacj:
The OP is wrong. Moto X Play has the Adreno 405, which does in fact support Vulkan and OpenGL ES 3.1. The Moto G3 however, has the 306. Which DOES NOT support Vulkan, and only supports OpenGL 3.0.

The Moto G Turbo edition is a different story. It does have the Adreno 405 so that is valid. The regular Moto G3, no.

So yeah, case closed.
[Moto G 2015 General] Gravemind2015:
Merlin is vulkan supported and yet is not being updated. And from the Merlin device threads, it looks like new custom rom with implemented vulkan api are just around the corner. Lenovo is also not innocent.

Edit : Just saw your reply.

Edit2 : [MENTION=5501253]itsdacj[/MENTION]: I re-•read the whole OP and the petition, no errors whatsoever. Moto X Play(Lux) and Moto G turbo(Merlin) share same chipset (615) along with GPU (405) and both are vulkan compatible. Still Merlin doesn't get the update while Lux does.

Moto G4 play(Harpia) and Moto G 2015 (Osprey) share the same chipset (410, nevermind Harpia running on lower clock speed i.e 1.2Ghz) along with the GPU (306), making both of them **lacking** vulkan compatibility.

But according to the blog (link- https://motorola-blog.blogspot.in/2016/10/n-is-for-nougat-android-70-is-coming-to.html?m=1), Harpia is getting the update, leaving behind Osprey.

Now, if the strict rule regarding the vulkan compability was to be taken seriously, there is no reason for the Harpia to be in the list. But it *is* there. A mess of contradiction.

Just my observations. This petition and thread were created based on the observable confusions and contradictions in the dreaded blog of 4th October. Motorola showed us a glimpse of their plan, which *can* be changed in the future, maybe Harpia will be dropped as well. But according to the latest blog post, I found the petition perfect.

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[Moto G 2015 General] piotr_cz:
Moto G4 Play runs on the same GPU as Moto G3 (Adreno 306), but only the first one is on the Android Nougat list. How is that possible then?
[Moto G 2015 General] itsdacj:
As for that, I do not know. It looks like Lenovo is purposefully breaching their license agreement with Google here. If they do in fact update the G4 Play to Nougat and *include* Google Apps, Google could sue them big time and terminate their agreement, ruining Lenovo's Android phone lineup.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
If I may be so bold, I'd like to re-open this case.

http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-801-712930​
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
As we know Android is like linux - open source. Everyone can modify and so on..whats the matter? Am I right?
[Moto G 2015 General] itsdacj:
Google REQUIRE Vulkan support to get the device Google Services Certified. So it would be impossible for any OEM to update their devices to Nougat and get it certified for Google Play.

---------- Post added at 11:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 PM ----------

Again this is true, hence why ROMs exist for these non-Vulkan supporting phones, and you can flash gapps. BUT, this IS technically violating the Google Play terms of service.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I guess then we have interesting times ahead. Maybe Moto G Play is on the Nougat list by mistake - which seems unlikely - or the rules have been relaxed regarding 'Google Certification' or Motorola is being given some kind of exemption.
[Moto G 2015 General] itsdacj:
This is true, I personally think Motorola added the device before realising Nougat's requirements and haven't noticed perhaps. I highly doubt there will be an exception as Google is never lenient.
[Moto G 2015 General] PalmCentro:
Good to see you here!
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
[MENTION=5501253]itsdacj[/MENTION] - Some Android One phones have already been updated Android 7.0 - for example the Cherry Mobile G1 and i-mobile IQ II. Both run on Snapdragon 410 and have an Adreno 306 GPU.

EDIT: Out of curiosity I looked into the contents of the Nougat OTA Update zip for Cherry Mobile G1 - Play Store and Google apps are all present.
[Moto G 2015 General] itsdacj:
I did not know this, but these updates are in fact provided by Google, so it doesn't matter if they go against their terms that they license to other vendors.

"It was reported that the Google Compatibility Test Suite (whose tests must be passed in order to receive official certification) specified that all devices running Nougat must support either Vulkan or OpenGL ES 3.1 graphics APIs—neither of which are supported by the device's Adreno 330 graphics core." - Taken from the Wikipedia page for Android Nougat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Nougat
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
The Android 7.0 CDD is not available: https://source.android.com/compatibility/cdd.html

Does that suggest it's not final? <rhetorical>

From 6.0 CDD:

Device implementations MUST support both OpenGL ES 1.0 and 2.0, as embodied and detailed in the Android SDK documentations. Device implementations SHOULD support OpenGL ES 3.0 or 3.1 on devices capable of supporting it.​

Also, I wonder if the rules are slightly different when updating older phones as opposed to retailing new handsets with 7.0/7.1

EDIT: Also note that the wikipedia entry cites as it's sources for that statement as articles on tech news sites. Not an official Google source.
[Moto G 2015 General] EddiePR:
Surrender:D
[Moto G 2015 General] Tu$h@r:
Lenovo is making 3-4 models of the same smartphone like see Moto G4; it have plus, play and the regular g4. We have seen this with the Moto x series last year.

Lenovo is destroying the good Motorola and producing end no of phones with a limited 3-4 months support. Who will buy these phones anymore. Till last year Motorola was my one of my favorite company of which I could buy any smartphone even without seeing it's specification and end user experience because I knew if the soc is not good them surely the software would be optimised perfectly that can get the most of the system.

But we don't know why Motorola is just flooding the market with cheap quality phone with maximum 1 year user support.

I don't know which phone will i buy next year. :confused:
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
I wish I had the time to start a tech news site and just make stuff up all day.

http://neurogadget.net/2016/10/15/15-motorola-smartphones-updated-android-7-0-nougat/43042​
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Another no source fluff article... More speculation and opinion without reference, but it's on the Internet so it must be true, right?
[Moto G 2015 General] gkroxm:
i'm in 7,902th
[Moto G 2015 General] jseymour:
No worry on that score: Lenovo's already doing a bang up job of ruining it, themselves :(
[Moto G 2015 General] AniketDhoke:
Yeahhhhhhhh:laugh:

http://neurogadget.com/2016/10/16/moto-g-3rd-gen-petition-receive-android-nougat-update/42188
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
8,000 people have signed the petition.
[Moto G 2015 General] tech221:
If Motorola had decided not to update Moto g turbo edition, why the hell do they still display it on their website? People buying the phone now, won't even see 1 software update. Bloody betrayal. So much for a great oem.
[Moto G 2015 General] boswelja:
Count me in
[Moto G 2015 General] seezar:
I'm in
[Moto G 2015 General] ExaHamza:
8,279 subscribers, and no reaction on the part of Motorola, I'm beginning to lose hope!:(
[Moto G 2015 General] MackxtheAndroidGeek:
I'm in too
[Moto G 2015 General] engmia:
Signed the petition.. This is ridiculous, dropping support for new and viable hardware is just causing and promoting unnecessary waste.
[Moto G 2015 General] jseymour:
I'd say it's a bit early to lose hope.

One of two things will happen: Lenovorola will realize that "Hey, a lot of people did notice what we tried to do, there," and change their mind. Or, 2: They'll ignore all this, proving they truly don't care about their customers and feel they can do well in the market even when they do shaft them.

In either event: If the noise gets loud enough, enough of the industry publications will cover it that everybody will know just what Lenovorola is and is not. Right now few of them appear to be paying attention, which should tell the buying public something, too.
[Moto G 2015 General] Srijal97:
I'm in!:good:
[Moto G 2015 General] Agu_Ra:
9,000 participants milestone reached!

Holy crap, we've already got more than 9 thousand people signed the petition! The more people we get in, the more press coverage, the more our influence is. Well, we need a huge amount of supporters to have even a little influence on such a technical giant as Lenovo. I still feel skeptical about Lenovo changing its mind but we should do our best and keep going on. Let's take it to 10k! Share the petition with your friends interested in Android world, post it in social networks, tech forums and social media if possible.
[Moto G 2015 General] teensheet:
We've been answered (I think)

http://neurogadget.net/2016/10/16/moto-g-3rd-gen-petition-receive-android-nougat-update/43115/amp/

Just found this article on Google stories. I think we may finally be getting official nougat from Motorola. :D
[Moto G 2015 General] jicunningham:
Me too

I'm in.

Although this will be my last Moto product, not for technical reasons but Moto's pathetic update policies.
[Moto G 2015 General] Nexive:
I'm in.
[Moto G 2015 General] MarckozZ:
834 more signs to go!!! 10K milestone is so close dude!!!!!!!!
[Moto G 2015 General] jseymour:
You base this thought on what, exactly?
[Moto G 2015 General] 2applepies:
Agreed!
[Moto G 2015 General] naga ravi 259:
Yes I'm in try to get 7.0
[Moto G 2015 General] vyiciu:
+1, signed! Meanwhile patiently waiting for updates to unofficial osprey CM14, it's currently quite stable already on my phone, but the lack of video recording is a bit frustrating, and Google Camera isn't available in Taiwan's Play store. (if I knew how to code I'd love to help out, but I don't…)
[Moto G 2015 General] harishmenace:
Download it from apk mirror or xda labs
[Moto G 2015 General] jordanpa:
Done.

There is also a petition for the note 3 Marshmallow update. If anyone can help.

Change: https://www.change.org/p/samsung-samsung-please-include-note-3-for-android-marshmallow-update

XDA: http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-3/general/petition-marshmallow-update-galaxy-note-t3479602
[Moto G 2015 General] ExaHamza:
Signed
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Thanks for your support.

I am not a Sammy fan and am only vaguely familiar with many devices, but isn't the Note 3 over three years old and it's last OS was lollipop over a year ago? With no technical merit or similar spec'd devices getting it and being significantly outside of Samsung normal update window (18-24 months for high-end devices) on a 3 year old device which logic would argue should be replaced by most users by now, what are you really hoping to accomplish with this petition?

No offense, I'll sign and wish you the best, but some realistic expectations are required here.
[Moto G 2015 General] vvaibhavv:
Hard to say.. but i have confirmed it.. Moto G3 will not get Official Nougat update.

Lenovo-Motorola will stick to their decision for not updating Moto G3. Nougat for G3 Turbo is still in testing stage, if all goes right... G3 Turbo will get included to the list.
[Moto G 2015 General] Iqbal Ansari:
Are you the software developer or insider of lenovo.
[Moto G 2015 General] green2005:
Thanks me too
[Moto G 2015 General] Gravemind2015:
Signed

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[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Speculation and rumors are not welcome in this thread, and you will be questioned (and likely chastised) for it. If you have

verifiable

information we are more than willing to look at it and take it into consideration. If you are a Lenovo/Motorola employee trying to drop a hint that something is occurring, I suggest sending a PM to an active, respected member of this community (not trying to say you are not active or respected here, you obviously have significant experience on XDA and have made many contributions to several devices, thank you) verifying your identity and requesting anonymity with your information.

Although no one here is all knowing by any means, many of us are involved and friends with many developers and enthusiasts for multiple Moto devices in multiple communities, including this the G3 & Turbo, G4, X Pure/Style, Z, and others, and as of my writing this no one has slipped a single shred of information that there is a beta (open or closed) of Nougat for any Moto device at this time, much less that the previously announced list of devices has changed.
[Moto G 2015 General] Sir_Vertigo:
Im in
[Moto G 2015 General] pio80:
Please tell us the reasons why?
[Moto G 2015 General] Amesh Kr:
I'm in :svetius:
[Moto G 2015 General] JustPlayingHard:
Sadly, that will never happen unless they only update their Exynos version..

Reason being is that Qualcomm dropped support for 800/801 SoCs, so if Samsung even did. I will not have Play Store pre-installed.
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
10,000 supporter milestone reached!!!

Thanks to everyone for all your support!
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Spanish articles:

http://andro4all.com/2016/10/peticion-actualizacion-nougat-motog-2015​

http://www.movilzona.es/2016/10/17/...ue-lenovo-lleve-android-nougat-al-moto-g-2015​
[Moto G 2015 General] jigs1012:
I want Android 7 Nougat Update on my MotoG3 2015, I'm supporting...:fingers-crossed:
[Moto G 2015 General] dharshanguru:
I'm in guys
[Moto G 2015 General] kailasraj97:
GOOD NEWS?

While Motorola has the longest list of devices primed for Android 7.0 Nougat, some of its freshest offerings, such as the Moto G (2015) and Moto E3 Power (2016), are noticeably absent. It might be that these newer devices would skip Android 7.0 and head straight for an Android 7.1 update but nothing is solid at this point. Updates to Motorola devices might go full blast this month.

• Moto G (4th Gen)

• Moto G Plus (4th Gen)

• Moto G Play (4th Gen)

• Moto X Pure Edition (3rd Gen)

• Moto X Style

• Moto X Play

• Moto X Force

• Moto Z

• Moto Z Droid

• Moto Z Force Droid

• Moto Z Play

• Moto Z Play Droid

• Droid Maxx 2

• Droid Turbo 2

Source-Tech Times
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
Please quote the source link if possible, but this not relevant to our petition or new information... this is just a copy of Moto's blog post a few weeks ago.

The source of this is here but there it's just a collection of various manufacturers public released info.
[Moto G 2015 General] Powereh:
I will sign this.

Motorola are becoming more of a joke everyday, I feel foolish now recommending them in the past.

From their customer support which is terrible to this I will never buy Moto again. Still waiting for a customer support agent to ring me apparently I was priority & they were calling me first thing this morning, Now it is evening & no replies etc
[Moto G 2015 General] sgloki77:
signed
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Motorola Android 7.0 Development further on than expected. Release notes for Moto G (4th Gen) - release imminent:

https://motorola-mobility-en-in.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/115401​

No mention of Moto G Play. But 7.0 soak tests / trials appear to have ended for some handsets. Potentially meaning the resources are available for Osprey / Merlin.
[Moto G 2015 General] ExaHamza:
I hope that they will add Moto G3 too
[Moto G 2015 General] 77Dark:
Me too.
[Moto G 2015 General] ALPHAWolf96:
Here's a video showing up the update for g4 plus.

[youtube]11svdfGHsRg[/youtube]
[Moto G 2015 General] ncdude:
Great initiative, count me in
[Moto G 2015 General] saga02:
if you go and select the moto g play in the section "support/For software update/ them select Moto G play you can see the next mensaje

"MOTO G PLAY (4th Gen.)

This device will be upgraded to the Android 7 (Nougat) release, pending partner support."

so, we need to wait.. i hope nougat for osprey too.. and G Turbo they also deserve nougat.. :laugh::good::fingers-crossed:
[Moto G 2015 General] vvaibhavv:
Few days back I accidentally flashed Moto G3 (2015) TWRP recovery on my Moto G4 Play (Unlocked + Rooted) and Yes It worked, even i wiped the data and it worked but the smartphone immediately restarted.

It will be easy to Port Moto G4 Play Nougat update to Moto G3. I will try my best, moreover we have more experienced devs in this community.
[Moto G 2015 General] titi727:
Signed
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
[MENTION=5072979]vvaibhavv[/MENTION] - No-one suggested a port would be difficult. The purpose of this petition is to point out the change in how the Moto G is officially supported. Getting two major android updates is no longer a given if you buy a Moto G. I was very disappointed by this change of policy, as are many others.

Articles in October last year where written and things have not improved with Motorola Mobility / Lenovo - in fact there have been more job-cuts.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/1...upport-to-your-customers-or-start-losing-them​

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/15/motorola-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-you​

The choice is to either do nothing, or petition and draw as much attention to what is happening as possible in the hope that this increasingly poor software support situation improves.
[Moto G 2015 General] vvaibhavv:
I know that, even i was the one who pointed it out - http://www.techdroider.com/2016/10/Update-Moto-G3-Turbo-or-stop-selling-it.html

I bought this to lenovo and Motorola's, I contacted them and all they said is there's no chance of G3 to get nougat. Even i contacted my internal source who test these updates.

This time we are dealing with Lenovo, not soft-hearted motorola. Lenovo will stick to their decision.

I am happy that you guys (including me) entered the petition and all community is together. But IDK why Lenovo is doing this may be because of their sale strategy and all.

Hope a miracle happens and they give update to the G3 and Turbo.

I am not against you all, but the truth is all i said.

Believe me I have done what all i can do. But no luck.
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
You are making statements and calling them 'truth.' Truth is a very serious word to use. You are in fact saying that everyone has to bow down to your authority.

The following is my example of how to use the word:

At this time, the internal discussions (if there are any) at Motorola Mobility regarding Nougat support for 'Osprey' are unknown. In truth, anyone who posts on XDA can only speculate about what will happen as change is always possible.​
[Moto G 2015 General] jseymour:
It is true that Lenovo seems to be trashing the brand they bought. I don't know what makes companies think they can acquire a brand, trash it, and retain its cachet.

You shouldn't feel foolish for recommending Motorola in the past. It was what it was, and what it was was pretty neat. Now it's something else, which is not so neat. (I don't recommend it, any more, either.)

"Soft-hearted" or "customer-friendly?"

What I've experienced/discovered with Lenovorola, recently:

Buy my wife a Moto G3 believing it would have support for T-Mobile's new "Extended LTE Network" only to find that Lenovorola, rather than get the phone qualified for VoLTE on T-Mobile's network, simply disabled Band 12. Consequently: The phone has no better coverage on TMO than the prior two iterations.

Take a look at the Moto X Pure Edition. Find out that, as of the prior Android upgrade, they screwed the pooch on VoLTE. Lenovorola's recommendation: Disable VoLTE. (See prior point.) Regarding a fix: May be fixed in Nougat.

Come out with the 4th Generation of their devices, obviously cheapening the build quality.

Announce Nougat, leaving out what was probably

the most popular

of the Moto series--for no apparent reason. (Though I'm conflicted over whether this is a Bad Thing, or not. See "Moto X PE" comments. I eventually signed the petition, anyway.)

I can only assume Lenovo wants to destroy the brand. Must be. They're doing too good a job of doing so for it to be an accident or simply poor judgement.

My Moto G1 was getting wonky, so I had to make a move. Got a G3 off Amazon for cheap. Unless something changes,

very

significantly, at Lenvorola, RSN: That will likely have been the last Lenovorola product I ever buy.
[Moto G 2015 General] Serious_Lee:
Signed!
[Moto G 2015 General] nandakalyan:
exactly why I stopped buying moto phones after the sale to Lenovo.......lenovo just keeps dumping more models and has no respect for users who already paid them money....
[Moto G 2015 General] Tron_Legacy1680:
Nougat update is out for G4. But no sign of G3.
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
No... The soak test, or beta, is starting to be tested by MFN users, it isn't "out". Don't expect a public update release for 45-60 days assuming there are no issues.

This is part of the charade of Moto's quick updates, they get major news sites to carry the story the update is out even though it isn't.
[Moto G 2015 General] aladin6:
Well , I'm not a Moto G3 owner, but I'm signing this because I see that such manufacturer behavior are not accepted. That's really a misrespect to the device owners ! So, I'll never buy a Lenovorola device (that's how I value your misrespect!)
[Moto G 2015 General] lost101:
Petition mentioned at the end of this article: (Spanish site)

http://android5x1.com/blog/lenovo-prueba-nougat-en-moto-g4g4-plus​
[Moto G 2015 General] LenAsh:
Thread cleaned - post if you have something relevant or interesting and NOT pushing your own clickbait. Otherwise don't bother.
[Moto G 2015 General] acejavelin:
As I said... http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/22/psa-android-7-0-nougat-not-officially-moto-g4-g4-plus/

Oh, and thanks for pushing us over 11k supporters today everyone.
[Moto G 2015 General] mohammednafeel.s:
Thank You..I m in..
[Moto G 2015 General] androidbb:
I'm in
[Moto G 2015 General] Kianush:
I have never seen a single time that a petition get an answer!

so you would better go with CM14
[Moto G 2015 General] DogeRom:
im in
[Moto G 2015 General] jseymour:
May not help, but, it certainly cannot hurt. (Well, probably not.)
[Moto G 2015 General] IronTechmonkey:
Right on! Motorola is now doing the same thing to Moto G3 as they previously did to part of the Moto E series (for which I had created a petition) and before that to the Atrix HD, in all cases breaking specific update promises made to customers who they leave on less secure and less useful devices. Signed. Thanks for this.
[Moto G 2015 General] agriculture:
meeeeeee toooooooo
[Moto G 2015 General] huyhuyvu01:
i'm . Too pity for a good device can receive nougat.
[Moto G 2015 General] samtab37:
He must receive Nougat !