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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Now rumors claimed that Sony will release CPU upgraded ver of X Compact during 2017 MWC(27th Feb), it will be using SD821 instead of SD650, probably waterproof will be included as well this time(we know that XC JP ver added waterproof feature), still 4.6" 720P with 3GB ram. But we aren't yet sure is this a fake news.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dritwick93:
Source please? If it's genuine I would love to have it metal design
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
All Sony first hand news come from Japan or China. You hardly find them on gsmarena or phonearena foreign website. From my experiences, most of them turned out to be ture end up so it's believable but we'll need to wait til MWC 2017 to see what's real going on.

What I concern is the development of XC is almost zero on xda so I think I will not pick XC just stick with Z5c or new compact.

http://xw.qq.com/cmsid/DIG2016081000692003

Here is little info about the 4.6" Xperia Signature. 12MP rear camera for low light.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dritwick93:
Woah this was an interesting read. The return of xperia z2 sandwich design? That's exciting. However I am bit concerned about the battery, 1900mah? 4.6mm thin? Since when did sony start making slim devices. Look at XZ and X compact both are chuncky devices and people love it. 1900mah and 3GB ram will not cut it in 2017. The battery has to be atleast 2700mah like in previous compacts.

I am not sure about 12mp cameras though, before XC came out, the rumours said there would be a 16mp camera this time but it was false. I am pretty sure sony is going to stick with their 23mp g lens. Which is disappointing for me atleast. My friend got a pixel and you simply can't compare low light shots with a pixel from my z5c.

Thanks for the link, appreciate it.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Some info in link is wrong and the picture is only a concept art. At this time, we are sure only about SD821, 3GB ram and 4.6" 720P.

Sony should start to use IMX400 to replace the IMX300 on Z5/X/XZ in the upcoming flagship and the new compact expected to get that sensor too. The IMX300 really is a failure product bcoz 25MP in a 1/2.3" only got 1.0um and Pixel phone got 1.55um(IMX378). IMX398 is already out with 16MP and Dual Pixel focus(S7 technology). We will see IMX400 soon.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dritwick93:
We always have high expectations from sony. They never deliver it sadly. I am keen on the next compact though and pixel too.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dennym92:
Xc faster than z5c, better multitasking (z5c 2 gb ram not enough with a 64bit system), better camera and better battery thanks to sd650, but I prefer z5c design and with last update overheating is gone. I wait next compact Sony device and I hope they use metal frame.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Hell no dev on xc platform so it's a no go for root user think majority of us are still with z3c and z5c. Recommended to skip xc and wait the next true compact. I don't have money to get any new phone soon too.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
My Z5c was lost so I'm out on this board but I will be still around looking for any news. Really have fun with Z5c and good memory in this year, people is nice here.

I don't have money to get Z5c/XC soon and I dislike XC no development on XDA so have chance to buy Z5c again(it's just no good to buy sd810 phone two times) later when I've enough money but I will probably wait for 2017 MWC to check out is there a new compact(Signature). I tend to believe they won't sell soon, this model should be only available on 2017 Q3.

I'm using spare phone now and I'm considering to get a new phone(cheap of coz) next month.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] thedosbox:
The "4.6 mm thin" claim is how you can tell it's a fanboys fantasy. Though why on earth someone would wish for eMMC in a (presumably) 2017 flagship escapes me.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] pipspeak:
So back to the OP.... seems like folks generally recommend the Z5c over the Xc? They're about the same price now in the US
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
It seems so, but I still couldn't understand if the Z5c issues are gone with rooting and software updating 1) out of focus edges on photos 2) overheating. I basically am just waiting to know that for picking either the Z5c or the Zc.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Mostly happened on rev1 and on few of rev2/3. Mine on second batch got perfect focus but slightly lens distortion bcoz of wide angle. X/XZ/XC got improved lens on this issue to my knowledge.

If you are stucking Z5c or XC, I'll suggest you to get Z3c for a temporary solution until the next true compact out. That's one of the plan I'm thinking about.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] PeppeBove:
I think the same

(and i had all the mini series of Sony, starting from x10 mini, to z5c, i had all)

This time xc really make me sad ?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
can't really see myself buying the z3c, I had it 2 years ago and wasn't really happy with the camera.. I might go with the z5c in the end. It's crazy that there isn't a good compact phone out there, I'm even considering the iphone SE.. :eek:
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Saaber:
I had a Z3C, too, and didn't like the camera, either. I bought a Z5C to play around with, and decided to keep it after installing the X Compact's camera app. The camera's finally as fast as it should be.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
Are you referring to this? If yes, is it really improving that much?

http://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/sonyz5-family-unlocked-xz-xc-camera-t3463148
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
http://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271

For the Z3c you guys can use this mod cam should improve much the quality.

I owned Z1c and Z5c. Indeed, Z5c camera is a mixed bag though overall better but there are some weak areas you do need to notice.

First, 25MP sensor on 1/2.3"(1.0um) performed poorly on higher iso(my Z1c everytimes got better result with 400iso or up). Second, my Z1c shoot better FHD/4K quality. Z5c mainly improved with good focus and fast camera.

The Z5c cam isn't perfect so I'm thinking to wait the next true compact with new camera. Iphone SE is good but the 64GB model is too expensive for me.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] firdyRAY:
For the camera you're using both mods?

Anyway for XZ camera, i'm a bit confused on which file to flash? I'm using Z5 c
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
I've been running both. Cyberian Camera got better white balance in my opinions but XZ™ Camera Project got slightly better photo quality on the other hand. I prefer better color. Moreover, the XZ™ Camera Project with XZ libs port seems to perform a stronger denoise on video recording so you got a video with less noise but lost some details.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] firdyRAY:
Thank you. You're really helpful
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] fredsky2:
im about to play the devils Advocate here but really aren't we just clinging too much on numbers?

on almost every real world test ive seen the xc is doing better than the z5 overall. Faster while keeping it cooler, better multitasking, camera, battery.

idk im afraid we might be bashing a pretty good phone just because its not what we thought we wanted.

(ie:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jvi3Om1zA4)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] punx69:
so I bought a x compact in white, but i also changed it to a z5 compact in black because:

- the specs are almost the same(except the z5 has a better cpu but less ram)

- z5c can be already rooted and the camera still works (Android without AdAway is a Pain to use!)

- the z5c has more bloatware installed by default

- both have almost the same size but the z5 is about 1 millimeter thinner

- z5 has mhl and is waterproof - waterproof ist a must but a phone without mhl? no way and don't come me with that laggy wifi display/miracast

- the x compact still looks nice but that glossy finish -_-

- the z5 has 2 holes for a booklet, its important for a camera smartphone

also both phones are great but the z5compact is the better phone for me
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] 4ty-phive:
I agree with this. But, on the other hand, it's not worth the upgrade if one owns a Z5C already
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] :
Not even from Z3C I think
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
One reason to get Z5c is no development with XC while we got some here......
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
Does the xc really have better battery than the Z5c?

You might be right that we were expecting something different, but it makes me angry that they cut the 4k video ability and the waterproofness. I would gladly have paid more for those features as the xc is already cheaper than the Z5c on Amazon, only 2 months after coming out, it doesn't make sense.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
well, the z5c was at 375$ on amazon today so I just bought it - ok, it's a 1 year old phone with overheating issues, but there's a patch for that and there's root and camera mods - most impotantly, I will stop breaking my head about which one to buy between the z5c and the xc, finally :highfive:
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] david7380:
I was in the same situation and went for the Z5 compact as well. With the 32.2.A.0.305 firmware I haven`t even felt the need for rooting. Battery life is almost as good as the Z3C and Heating issues have practically gone. Also the Z5C improved key features over my old Z3C: 1. Better front and back cameras 2. Substantially better sound from the speakers 3. Improved Micro SD/Sim flap and removal of the USB flap.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] :
[MENTION=4006638]TheEndHK[/MENTION]

Any more news about the XZC? :)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] :
Sorry for double post. It seems i found a Z5C which is sold by someone at a price around 200€. Is it worth upgrading to thr Z5C? Or the XC? Or should i wait for the next phone/buy another brand
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
Here are my 2 cents, I might be biased because I just bought a z5c though but I did a lot of research.

I spent the last 2 months wondering whether I should buy the Z5C or the XC. Two years ago I had the Z3C (loved it) but it broke and Sony wouldn't replace it. I got fed up with all the "big" brands and bought a oneplus x, which is still good, but I just want a smaller phone. I've looked a lot for sub 5" phones but at the end of the day only the Sony ones are acceptable, being mid-high range.

I think the XC is a solid phone but it's not a small flag ship, but it's a mid range phone. I went for the z5c even though it's a 1 year old phone because it is a flagship phone in a small format.

The XC and Z5C are quite comparable, but in the end these 3 things made me buy the Z5C:

- Waterproofness, just in case I'm out in the rain.

- 4k videos, why did they take that away.

- Root capability, most important of these three.

The next compact Sony phone might come out in a year and who knows which specs it will have. I couldn't really find any other sub 5" phone that is acceptable, there might be hope that Samsung might produce a S8 mini, I loved the S4 mini a couple of years ago - but who knows if they will.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] erik.051:
I totally agree on you in terms of waterproofness and root ability being points against the XC, but on the processing power point i have another opinion.

It is clear that the z5 compact is faster than the xc and for me coming from an LG 4x HD it is amazingly fast. But I do think you don't really need the plus of power the z5c has because of the resolution of them. The compact have 720p displays, most of the other flagship-phone 1080p or 1440p and there is the point: If you have 3 phone with the only different part on them would be the display you would have about a double of fps on 720p compared to 1080p, and another double from 1080p to 1440p. So about 4 times the fps of an 2k-Display phone with otherwise same specs. I cannot verify this in real world because I only have the z5c and a m9 of my sister to compare but in theory there should be more than enough gaming power for every game in playstore with the XC.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] :
XC has CM builds already. With bugs that can be repaired unlike the z series
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] fr0zensphere:
Hey guys, I got the Z5C just last week from Amazon (had a working fingerprint sensor despite being the E5803 model).

Question

: what exactly is the patch for the overheating issues? Do you mean the .305 firmware? Or one of the tools developed here? With .305 firmware, are there still overheating issues that can be improved by one of the tools that TheEndHK cited? Like SmartTempX?

I haven't even activated the phone yet with a new carrier, so I haven't really used it yet. And I'm not sure what constitutes "overheating issue" because this is only my second smartphone ever (lol!), and the one until now has been a crappy old Droid Mini. From my perspective, I might be having problems and not even notice because any problem you can think of is probably way worse on my current phone, so it would look like not a problem to me... :laugh:
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] david7380:
I also have model E5803. I use stock 32.2.A.0.305, no extra tools, no root, just .305 firmware as is. I haven’t encountered any issues other than the normal heating when using the camera app for video recording, especially 4K. Also when gaming the phone heats up but nothing to be worried about. I am not sure whether the issues on other Xperia Z5C are hardware or software related but in my case coming from the Xperia Z3C I can say I have similar battery life and no over-heating issues.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] :
Is it worth upgrading from the Z3C?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] david7380:
Well personally I only upgraded because my Z3C micro Sd card slot broke, otherwise I would have kept my Z3C. After using the Z5C I would say it is not really worth upgrading. The overall experience is similar. The key pros of each phone I have found are:

Z3C

- It feels nicer to hold due to being thinner and slimmer than the Z5C

- To me it looks nicer than the Z5C due to the rounded corners

- I runs really cool even when gaming and it usually doesn't heat up

- Battery life (on stock firmware) is about 7% better from my experience. I used to get 15 hour battery life on the Z3C, I get around 14 hour on the Z5C

Z5C

- Improved Micro SD/Sim flap and removal of the USB flap

- The speakers are much louder and have richer sound

- It has 16 Gb more internal storage

- The front camera is much better and the back camera is slightly better
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] fr0zensphere:
Thanks for your input!

Also, regarding your other post comparing Z3C/Z5C, you're forgetting the fingerprint sensor. I of course cannot comment on Z3C otherwise, but it might be an important pro of Z5C for some people. I only played around with mine so far (not true day-to-day usage), but I like how much faster I "log in" on that phone compared to doing the dot pattern on my Droid. It's nearly instantaneous.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] :
TA backup has been released for X/XZ line. More reasons to buy them?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
No news. I believe it won't out that fast but more information might be available later.

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Anyone who don't need root XC is a better choice(XZ up to 7.0 photo quality improved) but XC doesn't has any develeopment, XZ is good got some dev though.

I lost my Z5c and using my good old Z1c now(got a new battery) but hate XC no stuffs to flash so it won't be on my list. Indeed, I'm thinking to get a Z3c for fun or get a Z5c again.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] charliebigpot:
I thought that you are "crazy" for still preferring the z3c, but I bought the z5c last week and sent it back after 2 days. I rooted it and optimized it but battery, heating and camera were quite disappointing.

Now I'm thinking of getting a z3c (yes, z3c) that I already had 2 years ago. I miss that battery life and the camera can be improved with mods. Can't really see ant under 5" worth buying that are out now or coming soon..
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Infy_AsiX:
another stand out for me personally is the Z3 series has the best audio output quality that has dropped off on the later models. At least apparently according to user opinions on head-fi.com.

Anyone with cabled audiophile headphones or speakers can test my statement. Use latest poweramp alpha v3 from tester link for it's overhauled audio engine. Enable it's SoX resampler and 99% cutoff. Also it's Sony DSEE-HX upscaling support, 24-bit 96khz Hi-Res output.

Alas the Z3 is stuck on MM though. Sony promised a security update at least after the Quadrooter exploit but they've gone silent on the matter of security updates since then and are only releasing updates for Nougat.

I'll probably only upgrade to a larger screen from the Z3C one day if they reduce top and bottom bezels on a 5-5.2" flagship. Would probably need an external DAC for audiophile listening though if audio is still behind. For me the likes of LG with it's LCD and audiophile features are getting close to my needs, they need to make a waterproof and smaller model bundled still though. They've gotten really close with the LG V34 which is a smaller 5.2" Japan only version of the V20 and waterproof. Still too large vertical bezels for me and it's limited release killing custom support is a deal breaker.

Given consumer's demands and the market environment, I don't think we'll likely see as great an all around product again very soon. Though I'm hopeful about being wrong.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] fr0zensphere:
Since there was a lot of discussion of battery life in this thread, I just wanted to chime in with my experience on the Z5C, now that I've owned it for a few weeks. Attached is a screenshot from GSam battery monitor stats. I'm getting an average of 35+ hours on a single charge! I'm guessing I'm not as much of a "power user" as some of you guys? But that's a lot higher than the ~14 hours that was mentioned earlier. I haven't really taken any battery conservation measures except turning off haptic feedback.

Battery-related info/settings

Vibrate on touch: off

Adaptive brightness: off

Screen brightness: ~75%

Greenify: not installed

Stamina mode: starts at 20%

Build: 32.2.A.0.305

*EDIT: if someone could kindly tell me why xda refuses to show the attached image, and how to fix it, then I could actually show it. Otherwise, oh well, I guess this forum is a bit busted? Anyway, it says 1d 14.1 h battery life since Dec 15.

*EDIT 2: How about this:
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] braveally:
Hey, I just started reading this forum as I am thinking of upgrading to the Z5c or xc after my z3c crapped out on me (one too many drops, my fault). As i'm reading this forum, it seems the stock rom is extremely problematic and that overheating issues plague this phone. How accurate is that these days? I ask because, while I am willing, I actually prefer not to put on any new roms or anything because of my job and I need my phone available all the time (no time to brick). So if this is the case, has the stock firmware gotten to a place where overheating and other issues have been addressed? Or should I not consider this if I plan to use stock and go with the XC?

I primarily use the phone for pictures, internet and enterprise (work). I haven't did mobile gaming for over a year so I doubt I will be playing the latest and greatest. I want the best camera and really would prefer the XC camera with a manual shutter control but not a deal breaker. I think I generally want this because of the IP68 certification, all of my electronics are. My current questions:

Do both work with remote play on PS4?

Will there be a noticeable difference in performance with the uses I described above?

Should I consider getting the Z5C and rooting etc. What arethe most stabe rom and crucial mods I would need to make this phone perform optimally? (Sorry, haven't had much time to investigate the forum yet but plan to do so.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Nidhal AKA the king:
get Z5 Compact, you won't regret.... it's a Flagship in a compact size..
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dlee390:
Hi!

I got my Z5 Compact in December and I can say so far I don't regret choosing the Z5 Compact, namely due to more developers being active in the Z5 Community, and overall it being a solid phone. I can say for sure the camera isn't as expected and my phone isn't waterproof due to bezel separation, but the performance is really good on the phone and it doesn't lag. The stereo speakers are pretty good, in comparison to my Macbook Pro, there is definitely more bass, but don't count on the phone beating earphones/headphones and even external speakers. Here are some things that may shift your perspective on the phone:

Get the z5 if you want:

A great phone that performs great, has decent support, and the seller that you're getting it from has good support/exchange policy.

A compact phone! Yes, its obvious, but this phone is smaller than the iPhone and performs like one too. I've had an iPhone 5(which I loved) and this phone is a great replacement.

Something that will catch other people's eyes; this phone looks phenomenal even with a case on.

A vibration sound that you can stand! The vibration on this phone is perfect in my opinion, in comparison to the OnePlus One, iPhone 5 & 6s, Nexus 5x, Lumia 640, and Lumia 635, this phone has the best vibration sound, which is quiet and still strong.

If you want to root, or unlock your boot loader, this phone is the better choice(for miles). Everything that you can find on the X Compact and XZ are ported on the Z5 Compact(with hardware limitations).

However, don't get this phone if you're expecting:

A superb camera; this phone shoots ok pictures and like other reviewers say, it shoots the best in daylight. Oh and it sometimes has a halo ring, but its ignorable.

USB-C, yeah I think you guys know this.

In-pouring support from developers and quick updates. In contrary to what many people and what Sony has said, Sony is terrible at releasing updates for this phone.

I hope this sort of review helped :) and no matter what phone you get I hope you don't regret getting it ^_^
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] fr0zensphere:
Oh okay. Yeah, I have no other experience to base expectations of what a good smartphone battery life should be. My Droid Mini that got replaced by this phone was draining battery life at a ridiculous rate even when doing nothing.

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You're being contradictory there. I assume you meant to write not regretting the Z5C?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] dlee390:
Haha yeah sorry I didn't write it correctly. Thanks for catching my error!
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mbgheban:
I switched to Z5C (a month ago).

The only thing I miss is the Concept rom from Z3C.

I choosed Z5C instead of XC and not because of the price :) even if it was an EOL product.

Thinner, water and dust proof and (probably) a more powerful processor.

Has micro usb conector, so I don't have to change all my adaptors (OTG. MHL, ...)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
I still very miss my lost Z5c a couple of month ago but I don't have money to get a new one. Today, I bought an used Z3c so I've experiences with Z1c, Z3c, Z5c now. Will share my comments regarding them later after I do some hard testing with Z3c. :D
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] bruno.trudo:
I am sorry but I strongly disagree on Z3C audio quality.

I was owning Z3C for 1y and now I have Z5C for nearly 1y and tested the same audio records on both.

Z5C delivers expressively better audio output.

Tested on my http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/earphones/hf5.html