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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] apprentice:
Feeding time over!

It's futile arguing with Gary. He is a nightmare to shake off. He has you bending over backwards to bolster anything you say with evidence, examples and other ways to substantiate what you say. Yet he can reply with whatever he likes and you are expected to suck it in. I am actually starting to think he has other agendas.

For what it's worth, I have read all of your replies and I am very impressed with the effort you put in. Just don't expect to convince him (or a couple of others here). I just had to stop replying to him in the end on similar spats on XDA!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
I'm sure the investigations they do with the CPSC will be very thorough. I don't think they would've originally recalled them without them being certain of a real flaw. We'll just have to wait for the outcome of this latest investigation. If indeed there's a flaw again, the Note 7 is finished, it won't survive a 2nd recall.If not we can continue buying and enjoying it. Time will tell.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] apprentice:
Wow, really? You actually believe those statements you wrote? That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. To suggest that someone would just switch to a completely different ecosystem and operating system like Apple because of stories they have read about just one phone model, is astonishing.

Samsung is a huge global brand and well known, but to suggest people don't buy Samsung phones because of the innovation, beautiful screens, unique features, powerful specs and superior design over a lot of other Android OEM's is also astonishing. Sure some will think Samsung... it's popular... so must be good, and why not? But I think you greatly insult the intelligence of Samsung consumers and that includes a hell of a lot of people on these forums!

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] 350Rocket:
You seriously don't believe that? I didn't say they would switch because of stuff they read about the note 7. I'm just saying the majority of average consumers, if they didn't buy Samsung for their next phone they would probably go with the iPhone. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Samsung sells more Android phones than any other manufacturer.

You think I'm crazy but you don't think the guy saying Google could be behind this is crazy?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Dmac1984:
+1 to apprentice

I've never met anyone who owned a Samsung that didn't know why they bought it other than they know the brand ... IPhone users on the other hand, have no idea what ram, storage or processors are 99% of the time, the bought it because their friends all have it.

I've talked many people into Samsungs from **** android phones and iPhones, all of which have thanked me for opening their eyes.

Yes there are Samsungs in consumer habds because they are accessible, but most brand and "dumb" buyers arent choosing the $45 a month or $300 with 2 year contract Samsung over the "free with 2 year contract" or "$18.64 a month iPhone 5s" option.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] 350Rocket:
Well this is from my carrier at home, to give you an example of what I'm talking about. People can have a $0 phone from Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola. Out of most people I know they will pick either apple or Samsung even though that specific Samsung IMO is the worst of the $0 Android phones I attached. The g4 offers the best package for the price.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
Good post.

I would say however, that suspending sales and continuing in a couple of months I don't think would be feasible. The smartphone industry moves so fast, you're getting into S8 territory. The brand would be massively damaged and ridiculed in the media and tech industry. I think if it is a real design flaw that would need a slight redesign, the only way would be to kill the Note 7 and rebrand next year. It's all speculation at the moment anyway.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] koppee1:
http://bit.ly/2dmv5JE

Another replacement catches fire... In Taiwan.

Sad. I love my note 7...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dopamine5ht:
Waiting

Main reason I waiting on the feds and samsung.

1 phone in several million on plane on a day that it resume sales. What is the chance of that I keep asking?

Sure if there is a serious threat I will throw it back.

I am not running to the store again over believing a false report.

The whole note saga has reminded to me to handle devices with lithium ion batteries with care and dispose properly.

A Tesla car had crashed. They now reinforce the underbody with titanium or something. Lithium ion bats are not good in a crash.

Lithium ion batteries might eventually be band from planes I predict in general.

Hoping for some revolutionary battery technology.

I have had old smoker cell phone batteries and it was no media event. Kinda of expected it from aftermarket bats.

Made me stick to brands like anker.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
Looks like never-ending
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] ekerbuddyeker:
Oh it's going to end very soon . The US carriers will stop selling it long enforce Samsung admits to a problem. Cheaper than waiting for one of their customers to get injured.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] j_hansen:
Apple daily reported LOL
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
Better that way, if this keep going, it's just spoiling the mobile reputation they build over the years, Samsung does dish out good specs phones just a stupid battery causing all the hype
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
Headline says phone exploded. The story says it started to smoke in her pocket. Huge difference.

Journalism?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Just have to wonder if this issue stems from too tight of a fit in the case. Guy on the plane...did he put the phone in his pocket and sit down in a way that flexed it? Phone should be able to tolerate that either way
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
I think the damage would be equal or worse to Samsung's brand and reputation if they pulled the Note7 completely. Doing so says "we introduced a phone so badly designed and/or built that it wasn't salvageable after consumers bought it." It's that or soldier through trying to recoup as much revenue and face as possible. There is no good option for Samsung, only a less bad one.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
This is from the article. Pretty much my hypothesis of how the event would take place. Again the media uses terms like "fire" and "explode." Every pic I've seen shows the event contained to the innards of the phone and the damage is clearly centered on the left side directly over where the battery is. When the chemical reaction in the battery cell occurs it can't last long. The battery isn't that big and once it's exhausted the event's over.

Lai said she quickly pulled the phone from her jeans pocket and threw it on the ground, then waited until the smoke cleared before picking the phone up and taking it back to her workplace in her phone case, the report said. Apple Daily cited the woman as saying that she heard a "bang" before feeling heat on her buttocks and seeing a lot of white smoke billowing from the phone after taking it out of her pocket.​
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] pappcam:
Why is that story from Apple Daily? Seriously.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Aimara:
Not from Apple daily, just forward news and added more spice and gossip by them, Appleish lol
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
They have liability insurance. The U.S. carriers probably get 8-figures annually each from their relationship with Samsung. They aren't going to throw that away because a 2002 Jeep Cherokees burns.

Uhm, no.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
I've given up questioning sources on this forum. Everyone here is either: 1) looking for a reason to crucify Samsung, 2) want to blow this whole thing off as overplayed, or 3) are part of the apparent minority that are waiting for credible information to form a conclusion. I'll let people self-characterize.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Hey that's good contribution for a change ?

That would seem to rule that one out which is good.

---------- Post added at 02:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:23 PM ----------

Apple daily is a news outlet started in 1995. Not apple Inc.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] apprentice:
No, I still believe people are more tech savvy than you think when it comes to choosing any phone other than an iPhone. My guess is that people buy iPhones because

a) it's Apple

b) because their friends or celebrities have one

c) it's a fashion accessory or statement

d) they are someone who calls any smartphone an iphone!

But someone looking over at buying an Android phone is much more likely going to be interested in design, function, specs, price, wide choice and value. They may at this point think Samsung offer the best but people are also going to be looking at other well known brands like Sony, Motorola, LG etc. Pretty sure most aren't seriously going to look at the example you show unless it's going to be given to their kids or used as a backup phone.

Oh and reference your last comment, the guy with the Google conspiracy theory is crazy too.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] radioraheem2:
Another replacement Note 7 burst into flames in Taiwan. I mean, at this point, are the few people on here who's always going "meh, reports are overblown by media. I'm not worried... that person probably made up the story" still taking that stand?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
In your anxiety to post this you missed that it was already posted and discussed on the previous page. My stand is simple and I think it's shared by many here. I want a qualified body to identify what's going on. 97% of this thread is emotional. The good thing about qualified bodies is that they're dispassionate. Since they deal in fact they also don't traditionally deal in supposition or overreact.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] iPoku:
Here's a thought, actually wait until Samsung actually receives the device so they can investigate if the device is a replacement or not along with other details. Or what actually happened. I for one, don't understand how a phone can blow up while it was off. Just keep in mind while reading these articles, the media twists words and makes things look and seem worse than they really are. Not to mention, there's just too many things wrong with the original story to begin with. So, just sit back, let them do their investigation. If you're worried about your Note 7 blowing up, go to your local retail store and exchange it out for a different device. Instead of blaming Samsung as a whole. This could happen to literally any company. The CSPC cleared all of the replacements, so if you're going to blame Samsung, you pretty much have to blame them also.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
It didn't 'burst into flames' or blow up or explode. It began to smoke if the reports are accurate.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] 350Rocket:
Things can be different in different areas, but in my area, people i know do not have to be tech savvy at all to be interested in an Android phone. Many people aren't willing to pay the premium for an Apple phone that isn't an old model. Many people go to the store and ask for a recommendation on what phone to buy, and the guy behind the counter usually is tech savvy and is going to push the Android phones more than the iPhone. This is absolutely the truth where i am.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] ubl:
Here is another fake report: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Alle...o-spend-extra-cash-on-3rd-party-tests_id86136
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
Dude this is the XDA Forums. People here have at least some sense of technology not to go "WTF!!! WHY??? NOOOO!"...

But to be fair, it seems to me that there is a general issue with this new line of Batteries, regardless the phone model, and the Note 7 is the one mostly affected by it.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] TarekElsakka:
I honestly feel sorry for Samsung and although they are going out of their way to repair things, I don't think they have enough time and testing with the media and everyone up in their throats. I was not a Samsung fan because I had terrible experiences with the S3 and S5, especially the latter which was absolutely horrendous, but I completely changed my view after buying the Galaxy S7 Edge, which is a truly premium phone and the best Android phone I've ever used.

I agree with a lot of people on here, it is ridiculous to see people just jumping-ship to iOS because of the Note 7 mishap, I mean there are more high-end Android devices out there than there are Apple products as a whole, lol, which only reassures me that the media truly does have the be-all-and-end-all effect on people.

If the recent reports are true, I believe Samsung should just scrap this project and move on to a new Note with a marketing strategy focused on repairing their image and adding incentives for people to buy-in again.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
For sanity sake, here's a timeline of events...

August 2 - Note7 Announced at Unpacked 2016

August 4 - Preorders open in the U.S.

August 19 - Sales start in the U.S.

August 21 - First Note7 Overheating event in China

September 2 - Voluntary Self-Managed Recall is Announced and Sales are Halted

September 9 - CSPC Makes Recall Official

September 21 - "Safe" Note7s Available for Exchange with the CSPC's Blessing

September 27 - Purported "Safe" Note7 Overheats in China

October 5 - Purported "Safe" Note7 Overheats on a U.S. Flight

October 7 - Purported "Safe" Note7 Overheats in Taiwan

It's been 7 weeks since the Note7 went on sale in the U.S. of which it was only on sale for 5 due to the recall. It's been 3 1/2 weeks since "safe" replacements have been available. Pre-recall there were reports of less than 100 overheating events globally with a reported 1.5M Note7's sold. A portion of those event claims turned out to be false or unverifiable. The first overheating event of a "safe" Note7 was never verified because the Chinese claimant wouldn't allow the phone to be examined. A couple of days ago a purported (not yet verified) "safe" Note7 overheated on a Southwest flight in the U.S. A claim was made yesterday by a Taiwanese women that her purported (not yet verified) "safe" Note7 overheated in her pocket. There are roughly 1M "safe" Note7's in people's hands and one invalidated and two yet to be verified claims that "safe" Note7's overheated.

Them's the facts.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
Now an iPhone 6

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/10/07/iphone-6-plus-fire-explosion/#readsoruce_top
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
All batteries have a certain failure rate and this will happen (and does happen) with any phone. The problem with the Note 7 battery failure was that it was caused by a battery manufacturing fault that they uncovered. The failure rate although extremely low was above safety standards. We need do wait now to see of there's a true design flaw in the Note 7 that caused the new plane fire or if it was a one off failure or indeed a genuine replacement phone. We can't go around comparing one off battery failures in non faulty manufacturing batteries to what has happened with the Note 7.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner was the first to use Li-ion batteries for weight savings. They weren't used in commercial airliners previously because of the inherent risks they pose. After exhaustive testing the 787 was certified by worldwide regulatory agencies for commercial flight. In its first year of service there were four mysterious (contained) battery fires. The aircraft was grounded while Boeing looked for a cause and solution. The cause was never found. Instead Boeing strengthened the containment cage of the battery and called it good. The plane was re-certified and permitted to return to commercial service. The Boeing 787 is one of the most successful aircraft (by volume) that Boeing has ever made and no airline canceled their orders over the battery issue. ANA and JAL who had battery issues on their aircraft continued to accept future deliveries as scheduled.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
Replacement AT&amp;T Note7 *Supposedly* Overheated on a Southwest Flight 10/4

I am aware of the history and the issue and was not comparing just posting because every note 7 story gets thrown around here as fact.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
I'll see your iPhone 6 and raise you an iPhone 7. The one in the picture exploded in its sealed box where its new owner discovered it.

Li-ion batteries are inherently unsafe. Don't believe me? Here's a UPS 747 brought down because of Li-ion batteries overheating in its cargo hold.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
Absolutely but Samsung uncovered a battery manufacturing problem. Unless Apple are hiding one, these cases are incomparable.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
Not if we are talking about 'safe' note 7's
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] TarekElsakka:
[MENTION=1493949]BarryH_GEG[/MENTION] I did not know that about the airplane, so thank you for the information. There was also the incident with the Taiwanese woman, though, so it's not looking too good at the moment. Both incidents were just reports by the media, but no real investigative results have been offered so we're all just speculating, however that "speculation" is hurting Samsung as we speak.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
I agree and if the plane fire was just a one off "normal" battery failure then I'd have no hesitation in still buying a Note 7. It really just depends on the outcome of the investigation now.

One things for sure though, Samsungs Note reputation is in a bad way.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] robrob777:
Another safe Note 7 exploded

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/10/09/it-appears-another-safe-galaxy-note-7-has-exploded/
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
It's not another one it's the same one reported in this thread two pages ago. It did not 'explode' - it began to smoke.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
We know more than we think we do but it doesn't play to the OMG! narrative.

The science behind phone battery fires is actually pretty simple, and fairly well understood. Phones use lithium ion battery packs for their power, and it just so happens that the liquid swimming around inside most lithium ion batteries is highly flammable. If the battery short-circuits -- say, by puncturing the incredibly thin sheet of plastic separating the positive and negative sides of the battery -- the puncture point becomes the path of least resistance for electricity to flow. It heats up the (flammable!) liquid electrolyte at that spot. And if the liquid heats up quickly enough, the battery can explode.

We've known for years that lithium ion batteries pose a risk, but the electronics industry continues to use the flammable formula because the batteries are so much smaller and lighter than less-destructive chemistries. Lithium ion batteries pack a punch, for better or for worse.

According to a unpublished preliminary report sent to Korea's Agency for Technology and Standards (obtained by Bloomberg), Samsung had a manufacturing error that "placed pressure on plates contained within battery cells," which "brought negative and positive poles into contact." "The defect was revealed when several contributing factors happened simultaneously, which included sub-optimized assembly process that created variations of tension and exposed electrodes due to insufficient insulation tape," a Samsung representative tells CNET.

Or, in plain English: the thin plastic layer that separates the positive and negative sides of the battery got punctured, became the shortest route for electricity to zap across the battery (that's why they call it a "short-circuit"), and became a huge fire risk.​

With all that said, the cause seems pretty clear. Whatever the solution was it was solid enough to pass regulatory approval as the "safe" Note7's were permitted to be distributed and new "safe" models to be sold outright. So either there was more to the problem, the solution wasn't completely sound, or neither which the current investigation of the Southwest and Taiwanese phones will unearth. Regardless, really smart people, engineers specifically, all looked at what's going on and accepted it. Therefore I'd suggest we yield to them.

There's more in this article I snipped the above from.

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-samsung-galaxy-note-7-exploding-overheating/
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] tonymy01:
If they were in metal canisters like older style ones, for sure if the venting hole becomes clogged (say as it expanded with liquid trying to ooze out) an explosion will probably happen, but since the battery is sealed into our phones, it is not mechanically strengthened inside a metal canister but appears to be just like soft PlayDoh in a foil wrapping, so I can't really see it exploding as such (but can get pretty toasty if it fails, melting screen etc surrounding it with some minor flame potential...)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] ekerbuddyeker:
Another replacement Galaxy Note 7 has reportedly caught fire

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/8/1...te-7-fire-replacement-battery-minnesota-again
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mav42:
Well this might be of interest, again I have just spoken to Samsung Aust, for update re:Note 7 and they ASSURED me that the Australian ver of the NOTE 7 is totally safe due to it having diff electronics to the US and Taiwan vers, what the differences were she could not tell me, although Aust ver uses the Exynos processor while US uses Snapdragon and maybe diff radio electronics
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] n0odleCake:
I’m sceptical too tbh. But anything is possible. That said Apple is made in the US where we hear of so many explosions, China has many Android phones that want to be top dog and the latest explosion was where? Taiwan and that’s the home of what again? HTC lol. Anyway I wonder if anyone remember what happened to one plus and others when they first moved to USB type C. Has anyone though there may be a prob affecting the batteries stemming from the port/plug that’s the first ever type C on a Samsung ? Just a thought
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
The only thing I got out of that is what is a 13 year old doing with a brand new note 7.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] htcplussony:
I think the end is near for the Note 7. Those original Samsung batteries paid a part but there's still some other root cause/s.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Chyeo1979:
Still no news from Samsung for this case?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
Only that they're investigating with the CPSC.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mhill1986:
Well, yesterday I decided to take the plunge and turn in my v2 Note 7, not because I thought it would explode or burn, but because I'm getting ready to do a lot of traveling over the next six months, and I really want to be able to use my phone on the airplane with no questions asked. The rep looked at my ownership record (s7 to Note 7 to s7 edge loaner to Note 7 replacement) and says, "You do realize this is your last trade in, right." Lol...anyway, I'm done with it but am looking forward to seeing how things sort out.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mav42:
As mentioned in my post #245 Samsung Australia are saying there is a Electronic issue with US models as the Australian ver of the phone uses different electronics to US
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
Exynos V Snapdragon? There was an explosion in Taiwan so that doesn't really ring true.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mav42:
I did question that with the Samsung operator and she said the Taiwan ver was different to the Australian ver and was the same as the US ver
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] B3501:
Just doesn't sound correct to be honest?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mav42:
Im just reporting what I was told by Samsung Aust
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] borijess:
OK it would be nice if they confirm it's the snapdragon processor and will replace all note 7s with exynos processor. :svetius:
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Novarider:
Not sure if this one has been posted yet I fell behind on the thread.

http://kstp.com/news/samsung-replacement-phone-melted-zuis-farmington/4285759/?cat=1