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[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
- Best camera on a phone (apparently).

- Hardware AND software support directly through Google (huge plus).

- Far better screen.

- Made for Daydream VR.

- Free full-resolutions backups to google photos.

- No camera hump.

- 128gb option.

- Available for purchase at carriers, Google Store, Best Buy and more...

I mean, the OnePlus 3 has very little going for it by comparison, other than the price.

If you can afford the Pixel XL, it's a no brainer to get it over the OP3 at this point.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] oliver139:
In terms of the specifications, seems Pixel only wins the CPU a little bit? (but the price is far more expensive..)

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7995&idPhone2=8345
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] usmanxhmed:
- best camera, if you are pro photographer. If you take occasional snaps of your toddler or samples of your business items, both camera just do fine.

- I don't see advantage of screen resolution bump just yet may be I need to look closer.

- no camera bump and larger battery, at cost if being thicker. Thinner phone with camera bump is my choice.

- I don't use half of 64 gigs.

So above points vary person to person.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
Sure, they both do "just fine", but the Pixel XL apparently has some amazing low-light capabilities and it actually has image stabilization when recording 1080p while we're still waiting....

The OnePlus 3 is a HALF MILLIMETER thinner than the Pixel XL... you'd honestly prefer a smaller battery and camera hump over 1/2 a MM??? That's crazy.

And I fill up 64GB easily. It's quite easy to if you're saving music and videos for offline play - keep any kind of backups on your device (Titanium uses 8GB... and TWRP another 6-8GB), or install 3d games (some games are 2gb each).

Overall, the Pixel XL is still the better phone - no doubt about it. The cost is a problem, but it'll come down in price by quite a bit. It's hard to see the OP3 getting much cheaper than it is, even at the end of its life.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] usmanxhmed:
This is the issue. It's not right if you can afford it you should buy it. Issue here is if you don't value money than its no trainer to get it. Even if you can afford but value money, then it's confusing. At that price you can get iPhone 7 plus. If you are fanboy or as someone said here OP3 plus OP4 together. Or plenty similar offers.

Surely if you have enough money where there is no value for money required then it's easy choice. Otherwise it's confusing.

That's my personal opinion.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
I mean that if you want the better phone and can afford it, the Pixel XL is the one to get. "Value" is subjective, since someone may very well find value in paying twice as much for a phone that offers a dozen or more benefits over the OP3.

Even the warranty support alone could justify the added costs (because apparently if you have to deal with op for a repair you might as well replace your phone).
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Ashtrix:
Skipped the Pixel for OP3, way too overpriced and no 64GB option plus no mentioning of UFS or OIS, just Electronic stabilization. Plus huge regression in design when compared to N5 / N6 / N6P.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] usmanxhmed:
- once or twice a year i have to take pics in low light, so i can ignore better low light photos to save 400 dollars.

- OP3 is more than 1mm thiner not half mm thinner, 7.4mm vs 8.5mm, that is alot in look and feel, between a phone that just fits in hand, feels and looks better, than a chunky phone, otherwise OEM should make 10mm phone with 5000MAH battery, one or two hours battery advantage can be covered up with twice as fast charging.

- OP3 is shorter in height and width as well.

- Lesser in weight

- More RAM

- Dual SIM

- More screen to body ratio

- Off screen capacitive buttons to use full 5.5 inch of screen and no huge wasted chin, like you will start using phone after ignoring 20% of its bottom chin, at least iPhone has a button there.

- Lower Res Screen, should make up some ground in battery consumption

- Twice as fast charging

So your current OP3 has something going for it over Pixel as well. Anyways when you will buy Pixel, do share with us, benefits of real device and disappointments, hopefully price may become attractive in six months or so.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
I have no intention of getting a Pixel XL... I love my OP3!

You're right, the dimensions are : 152.7 x 74.7 x 7.35mm for the OP3 and 154.72 x 75.74 x 8.6mm for the Pixel XL. The size difference really isn't noticeable, but the lack of a camera hump is.

10g isn't going to be felt...

More RAM is good - I actually do appreciate the extra ram!

Dual SIM is something that only some people need/use. The majority of phone users don't.

Screen to body ratio is nice, but is that even noticeable compared to the better screen overall?

Chin waste and on-screen buttons is a huge negative IMO - I love the capacitive buttons on the OP3.

The low screen resolution doesn't impact battery consumption as much as people would like to think - we've already seen benchmarks with the Note 7 and there's absolutely no difference in daily performance, and the battery doesn't take a hit either.

"7 hours in 15 minutes" sounds pretty damn fast for the Pixel... but we'll see how fast it is going from zero to 100%. Honestly, I'd rather have a device with better battery life than worry about how fast it charges since I charge for prolonged periods of time regardless (overnight, while making dinner/eating dinner, while driving, etc..).

I think the Pros that the Pixel offers far outweigh any cons, but the price really does need to come down!
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Will_nonya:
-Given Googles history with hardware or software i cant see them doing both as an advantage.

-better screen, sure, requires more battery and cpu to support it for insignificant gains.

-mad for daydream.....VR. sorry dozed off there writing that because it's so uninteresting.

-photos back ups..yawn. my nas already accepts them at full resolution.

-because the camera bump is somehow a problem?

-128gb would be nice, so would an SD card slot. If my OP3 had the SD slot it would be pretty close to perfect. And I only need the extra storage because i like to keep twrp backups on the phone.

-available at places i dont buys phones or online...like where i bought my OP3?

Honestly the only reason i don't wish the pixel a quick and fiery death is that i've been an HTC fan for years and I'd like them to catch some success. in this instance it is probably better that their brand isn't on these phones though.

Other than an SD slot on my OP3 without losing the dual sim what I'd really like to see is OEM's to start making and selling their own nexus equivalent phones. Solid performance based hardware perhaps missing some of the more gimmicky hardware features but with high build quality with an unlocked boot loader and a basic android OS. an HTC or even LG phone based on this and priced to compete with the OP3 would give it a real run for its money.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
Google has never made their own phone, and their software schedule is something to be desired.

There's no evidence to suggest that the better screen will negatively impact the pixel any more than the op3. With the sd821 and a better battery, why wouldn't you want a brighter and clearer screen?

VR is going to be big whether you like it or not. At least the option is there.

Your NAS offers the same convenience and features as Google photos? Bull$hit.

The camera bump is annoying for anyone who placed their phone on a flat surface... You can't tell me you don't find it annoying that it rocks around when tapping while it's on a desk.

With 128gb and the option for OTG storage and free cloud backup (for photos and video) what could you possibly need beyond that? SD cards are slow, don't play nice with most apps since marshmallow, and are clumsy to use when they go on your phone.

You may prefer to buy your device directly from China, but most people would want to walk into a best buy and get a phone. Or get one subsidized through their carrier... And they have a place to get warranty support.

There really is no need to nitpick every point, but it's clearly obvious that the pixel is superior, including the after sale support. I'm not ashamed to admit that OnePlus has a terrible track record for after sale support, and neither should you.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Will_nonya:
I think the issue people have in the value calculation for the pixel is that the features they add are either of very little value or already offered in a superior form by a more established OEM. Add to that the design that comes across as less refined than other phones that are in the same league where the Pixel has been priced and it becomes much more difficult to see it as a value. At that price people don't want to feel like they have to compromise.

My impression is that the Pixel is something that my 9 year old would love but that i'd be embarrassed to pull out in a meeting...especially among my phone savvy cohorts.

I think the pixel would have been much better received as a nexus device or with more reasonable pricing.

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Google software is never the best but it’s priced right. Their history with Google hardware is abysmal regardless of whether or not they’ve made a phone before.

VR is the next 3D TV…augmented reality is a different story but you won’t achieve that with these wonky headsets.

You’re right, my NAS offers more features than google photos and far superior privacy.

Who actually puts their phone on a desk and taps it? I did that just to try your point, no rocking. It’s an aesthetic annoyance at best.

I agreed more storage is nice but it’s a pretty significant price jump for such a modest increase. OTG is an absurd suggestion as an alternative to any internal storage. Googles inability to make SD cards work isn’t a point in their favor BTW. The only reason I want more storage is for my backups. Being able to plop in an SD card I already own versus buying a more expensive phone isn’t really an attractive proposition.

Have you ever tried to action a warranty claim at bestbuy or an AT&T store? I know some people have had bad experiences but the one time I used them for my OP2 it was resolved quickly. People seem to be ignoring Googles poor record in terms of support and as you point out they’ve never actually built a phone so you’re buying into an unknown.

There may be no need to but it is more entertaining 

I don’t think the pixel is a bad phone or that it can’t or doesn’t beat the OP3 but it’s a modest step up priced way out of its league. To me the google brand is more a strike against it than anything suggesting a premium experience, good support or a well-considered approach.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
You'd trust OnePlus over google when it comes to software and hardware? I don't. I took a huge leap of faith with OnePlus and I've been fortunate to have a working unit, but I'd much rather have the support from a company like Google or Apple.

VR may not be your cup of tea, but it's huge for many people - just like smartwatches, you either find them invaluable or useless. But at least you have the option for VR.

I'm curious to know how your NAS works... with Google Photos, you can search for a specific item in your photo and it gives it to you (i.e. black dog at the park). Facial recognition is A+ and even the ability to search by place or time of day is incredibly useful. Not to mention the fact that you can edit and share images naively, and it can do things like automatically stitch panoramas, create animations out of burst shots, etc. These are things that I use daily, and I'm sure others do to. Plus, you can easily access photos from any device without any special settings... Your NAS can do that all?

Um, many people put their phones down and use them while it lays flat on their desk... I don't pick up my phone for every little task, but it's annoying with a camera bump, not to mention the bump often means more scratches around the lens and frame.

I've had to make a warranty claim several times through Bestbuy (Canada) and also with my carrier - sooooo much easier than dealing with garbage service from companies like ASUS or OnePlus.

"OTG is an absurd suggestion as an alternative to any internal storage. Googles inability to make SD cards work isn’t a point in their favor BTW. The only reason I want more storage is for my backups. "

Um, I've used many phones with SD cards and now using OTG storage with my OP3, especially for backups. I can't imagine SD cards being easier. I can download ROMS on my pc, stick the OTG drive in my laptop to copy the files, then plug it right into my phone without having to turn it off or remove the back or whatever other inconvenience the SD card brings. I can even to TWRP backups directly to the OTG and flash from it to. Plus, having an OTG means that if I lose my phone, I don't lose the data on my SD card...

So without beating a dead horse here, I'm sure we all have our preferences, but our very specific needs and workarounds don't translate well for other people. The best selling phones in the world are devices that come from companies with great customer service records, lack SD expansion, and have high quality screens :D
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] EP2008:
Not sure what kind of "low usability" you're referring to, but collaboration , search features, and integration with other Google services makes my life so much easier.

My photo collection exceeds 100,000 and having the search capabilities that Google photo offers is critical to me being able to access those photos easily.

I do have local backup of my photos and videos, but they never get touched (it would take hours to do something locally when I can do it in seconds through Google photos).

I tried doing the whole networked backup, but it became frustrating as I was on the road or travelling and that make it impossible to keep consistent.

Try Perfectly Clear. It does more than my expensive photo editing software can! But Google photos does an amazing job with panoramas too.

But at a much higher cost. I have a home server, but it wasn't free and neither is storage space. If someone can offload their photo and video collection to google photos (for free with a pixel), then it's a much simpler solution.

Then the camera hump issues need not apply to you ?

Don't get me wrong, I really love having an internal sd card on my devices. The op3 forced me to go the otg route, and I now find that easier. Taking off the case , removing the back cover and doing it in reverse wasn't very fun to do on my Samsung phones.

I'm talking after sales service like warranty.

I totally agree. I was ready to jump to a Pixel, but not at the price and I still find it underwhelming.

Over an iPhone... It's not that easy, since there's so much to be said for iOS and apples hardware.

But as far as Samsung phones go (which I'm very familiar with), you get timely updates, no bloat, no gimmicks (I.e. oxygen sensor), an apparently better camera, and a better user experience overall. Plus, it's unlikely that Google's phones will be exploding on airplanes.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Will_nonya:
When I say low usability I generally mean google’s inability to build a descent UI. However their increased network load and dependence on an internet connection is a business vulnerability. I travel constantly so I can see the advantage of a cloud based system (it’s one reason I built my own) but in a stationary environment the benefits of googles platform are significantly less when the internet connection becomes the single point of failure. In this day and age it shouldn’t be but all too often it is.

100k? Keep at it and before long you might have a lot of photos…

:)

When it comes to the local storage a few good habits go a long way but it’s understandable why giving everything to google is easier. (Better is debatable  )

I travel pretty frequently. On average 30 or so weeks a year. The network backup isn’t a problem. 5 years ago it might have been but now it’s not an issue.

I find that claim to be pretty dubious. Next you'll tell me gmail is a full featured email client.

Aren’t we debating overpriced phones here? My NAS isn’t expensive and the setup isn’t complicated. And nothing is free with Google. If you’re supporting a business with it then it’s well worth it but the basic capability isn’t expensive.

WooHoo! Agreement on the camera hump ;)

I’ve had plenty of exposure to Samsung and I’m not a fan. I don’t care for their hardware or their software. Touch wiz still gives me nightmares but to be fair the exploding phone thing is an outlier. Not long ago iPhones were accused of the same thing. Samsung just decided they wanted to copy that feature too and did it one better for a change. Samsung offers some non-exploding phones with features like waterproofing that aren’t available on the Pixel.

You have no guarantee of timely updates with the Pixels. It’s an assumption but they come from a different part of Google than the nexus program did. You also have no guarantee of no bloat. Even if you don’t count google services as bloat…

If google had built a phone that looked like a premium device and had feature parity plus their gimmicks then they’d have a shot. As it stands now I’ll be surprised if they don’t get their asses handed to them. They would have had a better shot reviving Motorola and letting them go this route. People seem to forget the uproar that created with the other OEMS but now that it is all internal it seems to be no big deal.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] tdamocles:
I'm confused about free full resolution Google photos. Isn't photos storage free up to 16mp now?
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] nikhil.agrawal:
Yes it is. Pixel users get unlimited storage for 4k videos as well which other users wont get.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] amisius:
I was really looking forward to the Pixel Announcement, because my Motorola Moto G 2014 is getting too slow and I want to have a new phone. But Pixel's price is too high. So after the event I ordered a OnePlus 3 and I am really waiting for it ( estimated delivery: November 7th :eek:).

Reviews have to show if Pixel's camera is really that great since it lacks OIS. The stabilization of the video in the announcement was achieved by the phone's gyroscope.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Munk0:
Count me in as one of the people who decided for the OnePlus 3 over the Google Pixel XL. Just ordered last night because the following reasons:

The pixel is way too expensive at over $800 after tax.

The Pixel looks fugly to me

I think I like the slider switch on the OP3

That chin on the pixel....

The OP3 is faster than the Pixel according to GeekBench 4 results browser. Which makes no sense since it should be slower

I could buy 2016 AND 2017s model of the OP and probably still pay less than one Pixel XL. No tax, free shipping.

Of course I wanted an all Google product and the best camera around but it's just too damn expensive. I'm going to wait and see for the second attempt as they should get it right by then or be worth the money.

Image of both benchmarks split screen comparison:

https://goo.gl/photos/eodahtRtHANubbwC8
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] H@wK11:
Perfect review till now... ?
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Curunir:
I heartily disagree with those statements. While quick software updates are a bonus, the new features offered by Android upgrades typically aren't ground breaking. In the end, the possibilities are still limited by what your hardware can do. And since Oneplus has so far been very supportive of modders I think we'll see plenty of community updated roms for the years to come. As I understand it for Nexus phones service was still provided by the oems for those who didn't purchase their device through the Play store, so we'll have to see whether they'll use a different support model here.

The screen may be an advantage, though most people don't see much of a difference between fhd and qhd at this screen size. Hell, I have a 27" full hd monitor and I struggle to see individual pixels.

While I think Daydream VR will be really cool, I understand it's pretty vague at this point what specific advantages the Pixel line phones will have over other phones with the technology at this time ("high-resolution displays, ultra smooth graphics and high-fidelity sensors for precise head tracking." sounds mostly like marketing).

The full resolution back ups are nice, but not really a feature of the phone. I'm also curious how long that offer will last.

The camera hump of the OP3 is annoying, but I think this advantage is more than offset by the drawbacks of the Pixel designs (arguably boring front, two-tone back with vulnerable glass, larger bezels on the front).

The fact that there's no 64 GB option on the Pixel sounds like penny pinching to me, since it's more or less the sweet spot modern phones aim to hit. I'd consider 32 GB with no expandable storage pretty limiting. Why no 64 and 128 GB options instead? With the price they're asking it should be more than possible.

All in all, given the fact that the CPU and GPU are clocked identically (even if they're technically updated versions) and the OP3 offers more ram (potentially being more future proof) I think google put out a pretty underwhelming effort. The biggest advantage I can see is the bigger battery. Given the price, it should be twice as good as the OP3. I find that a hard sell.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] usmanxhmed:
Then google wonder, even being genius, why we can't sell hardware like a boss, same limitations, like Nokia had, never know what market needs, never know what is best combination, they think customers are their *****es, they are not aware and they are not smart, by putting a hardware little under, little over than OP3, they wanna sell it at twice the price.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Ashtrix:
Let that Pixel be doomed man. WTH is that design and Nexus phones treated like 2nd citizen now ? All these years they touted the Nexus as their flagship and it was wonderful experience.

Next is that damn iPhone Cloner HTC crap, they ditched the dual stereos and Apple implemented them LOL, Also the pricing is insane absolutely for nothing, I ditched that Pixel which is prolly the ugliest phone ever made. Period. Was eagerly waiting for the Huawei N7 but it didn't make it so OP3 for me.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] nottheusualtoday:
From experience can't fault Oneplus aftersales service.

I can't fault Oneplus aftersales service, and wonder if those who who expext Google/Pixel service to be better have had any experience to back this up. I have had excellent service from Oneplus. As a new customer I twice called their helpline and got good courteous help with my tecnical queries. In one case the advisor even had further thoughts on the matter afterwards, and emailed these on to me. I have also had my phone replaced under warranty. I don't hold this against Oneplus. With the tens of thousands produuced there is always going to be an odd one that has a fault. The old phone was collected from my home by Fedex and a new one delivered by courier. I'm impressed.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 ROM Development] incubus72:
hello,

i tried to upgrade my o2 (germany) XDA III with WM6 like described in

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_Home

But i get a error 120: country ID.

(it's a germany XDAIII).

what can i do ?

thank you very much.

andreas
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 ROM Development] incubus72:
Hello,

i found the answer myself - i have to use MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe (and start this twice)