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[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] electric0ant:
I think google just spoilt everyone with low cost phones, and now they want to refocus into selling premium devices and that's pissed off some people.

I understand too, been a nexus fan for years. But the pixel is the best of android and I've already tried the other competitors and those just aren;t for me.

S7 - touchwiz and all the usual bloatware no thanks

HTC 10 - I hate the dialer, and also the camera shortcut sucks (i rely on this a lot), swipe down twice on the screen? why not just stick to double press of power button.

OP3 - wtf is with the stupid DPI settings? OP3 5.5 screen shows less than my 5.2 on my 5X because of the DPI, and if it change it it screws up the positions of the buttons etc in the camera app. also the uncertainty of OP's roms since a lot of the oxygen team quit.

IP7 - ios... just no

last point it that at the end of the day, only google devices get timely software updates and I'm willing to pay the extra for this.

end of the day it's really what you want and need, for me there is no way I can carry on using the 5X the soc is getting old but the main issue is ram. for the casual user i think it is a great deal. but power users will find the 5X too slow and evidently runs out of memory too quickly.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] VOLTAGEROCK:
Well said.

My 5X is lagging quite a bit so I am moving forward really soon, but are you getting the device protection as well? Is it worth it?

I'm in another thread as well where we're deciding on 32 or 128gb models, but is pure Android just like you said worth $900, $450 more than its predecessor?

Tell me if the full resolution backup is even worth it as we can opt to pay for full res storage right now. Let's face it, how many 4K videos do you plan on taking?

3 minutes 30 seconds of 4K = 1GB in size.

3 minutes 30 second of 1080p = 500MB .

Above is approximate.

See pic below as a reminder of Google's backup plans:

Sent using my 5X on XDA
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] robertc88:
Best salesman in the world would not be able to get me to purchase the Pixel at these prices. Besides that, I have a 6p. :)
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] moriel5:
And if he offered you a mansion for free?

Just kidding here. :)
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] withdrawn:
Oneplus 3 is a good bet.

The LG V20 looks interesting, especially with its advanced sound capabilities, removable battery and an SD card expansion slot.

The moto z lines look very interesting too.

But if you want to stick with stock android, you couldnt go wrong with a Nexus 6p. I have already seen some circulating on ebay for £350
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Milly7:
Yeah, they spoiled us, but now they are moving in a new direction. I will anticipate a price drop or "sales" also. But, don't forget this is the first iteration.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] matrix0886:
For me, I think with a higher IP rating, higher res screen, and more than 2 years of guaranteed updates, THEN the device would be worth $650...maybe. Maybe more around $600. But, I said "f**k it" and bought it anyway. Recently got a raise and promotion so figured why the hell not, lol. I was thinking of waiting for the holiday sales but preorders came with a free Daydream headset so I bit the bullet :P
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] thesebastian:
If this phone is still being sold by Google in 12 months $100 USD cheaper ( $550 instead of $650). I'd say it's a good choice to buy it now at 650.

But is likely that Google will stop selling this phone in 12 months, and it will be "on sale" before "2017 Pixels" are announced. So the Phone price will drop dramatically.

That's a positive thing for people who want (or can) to spend less money in a phone each year. But it's bad for early-adopters who buy/sell the phone every 12 months.

iPhones have less amortization because Apple keeps selling them after 1 year just $100 cheaper. (We also have to add the EOL of 24 months in Google Pixels vs 48~ months in iPhones).

We won't know what will Google do with Pixels. 2016 Nexus are much cheaper in Amazon than when they were announced.

I really want to buy a Pixel too. Just don't know if I should wait for a discount or buy it now.... I'm pretty OK with the 5X at the moment. Camera quality is almost the same (but with a much slower experience), and performance is not bad, faster than the iPhone 7 I used for an hour at the Apple Store, but with some stutters (compared to the slow but very smooth iOS). Only thing I don't like in the 5X is the RAM, 2GB is not enough to keep all your apps + 1 game in RAM.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] jsgates:
I totally agree with most people here. Pixel pricing is insane! I am very disappointed in Google. This phone does look very nice, but the pricing is way off base. A lot of us long-term Nexus 5 users have been left hung out to dry by the Pixel launch and its pricing. Not every Nexus 5 user is locked into Google and willing to pay whatever the price for the newest Google device. I was a long-time iPhone user, and when Jellybean launched, I decided to give Android a try with a Samsung Galaxy S4. It was a great phone, but too locked down. I sold that phone on Swappa and ordered the Nexus 5 directly from Google due to it's openness and excellent development support........and it's VALUE. You got a very good phone for a fair price. I didn't even hesitate at the time to go with the 32 GB model at the higher price point, and I'm not one of those customers making six figures a year. I think Google has alienated a lot of the Nexus user base from purchasing the Pixel due to rediculous price jump. Even for those that can afford a $650 phone, many aren't willing to buy it because the value just isn't there. There will be many that do buy it, and will like it. I'm sure it will be a good phone, but with pricing more on par with their Google Pixel C tablet experiment, I can't see it reaching a large user base at the current price-point. Most former Nexus users are not interested in the Verizon variant of this phone due to it's locked-down bootloader, even if it can be had for a lower price "on contract" with Verizon. I am pretty frustrated myself right now as many other N5 users probably are. I'm due for an upgrade and Google has not given me a viable option by releasing two phones, both in excess of $600. Now I'm debating on what to do? OnePlus 3 appears to be the closest thing to a new "affordable" Nexus device, but you are still not getting pure stock Android, and who knows how long it will be before Nougat makes it onto that device. iPhone 7 is very nice, but I'm not sure if I want to go back to iOS. Now I'm stuck on a Nexus 5 without a viable upgrade option. Wasn't it Google that said "Don't be evil", maybe they should try it themselves.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] matrix0886:
There is no "on contract" price on Verizon for this phone. Buying it from Verizon is the same as buying it from Google, except the Google version is unlocked. That is the only difference. Same full price, or same monthly payments. Which is why it's stupid to buy it from Verizon. What if something happens and you end up switching carriers? Now you've got twice as many steps to do. Buying it from the Play Store, you can just swap out sim cards and you're done (sorry this went a little off topic from your reply, lol.).
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] jsgates:
Wow!

You are correct! That is how long it has been since I've had contract with a carrier. I totally forgot that 2 yr contracts when away last year, even with AT&T. That does make it even worse. There is no advantage at all to getting the locked down Verizon version of Pixel. Right now I'm leaning toward OnePlus 3, even though it's 5.5" screen size. It seems to be the best value vs price at the moment. The only thing with that phone is that even though you are getting close, it's still not 100% vanilla Android. For a $250 difference it price though it's pretty close. I briefly considered the Nexus 6P but it's just to big for me.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] alluringreality:
It's possible to buy the phone on a 2 year contract, for example you can see a contract price at the following link, which comes with a higher monthly device charge.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/google-...e-very-silver-verizon/5656052.p?skuId=5656052

It's possible for a Verizon phone to have a lower total cost than buying from Google at this time. Verizon will offer deals, such as the following $100 bill credit. They have offered to reduce monthly payments by a total of $200 for trading a $1 smartphone, or a total $300 reduction in monthly payments for a trade of many of last year's flagship phones. Currently it's possible to get up to $225 in gift certificates from Best Buy on most Verizon phones, including this one. There are also other examples to effectively reduce device costs at Verizon for some customers, but these are the items that apply to all Verizon customers. There have not been similar options available from the Google Store, so lower monthly payments and other price savings can happen with Verizon.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Switch-to-Verizon-and-get-100_id86878
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] matrix0886:
This is interesting, given that Verizon did away with contracts and doesn't offer this contract price in store or online...but does through Best Buy. I'm thinking maybe the contract is a Best Buy contract, but charged through Verizon?

I can sell my current phone for more than Verizon is asking for it for trade in value. But yes, Best Buy is a good place since they offer gift cards...it's just that you're stuck with a locked bootloader since they sell the Verizon variant. But if that's ok with people, then by all means, go for it. I just like having the freedom to flip Verizon the finger at any time and be able to just swap sim cards should I choose to switch carriers. If Verizon would work with Project Fi, i'd be all over Project Fi, lol.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] seshaz:
Well I think it's fine at that price. It's a high end phone meant to battle iPhone and galaxy. It's not a nexus so we should probably get over that whole thing. To me it was worth every penny. Didn't pay full price though being I work at verizon but if I was a customer I would have happily paid it
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] VOLTAGEROCK:
For the people who already ordered their Pixel XL/128gb/device protection/tax and shipping, how much did you spend total?

I can't stand seeing you guys say it's $650 when in reality, no one is considering all of the add-ons and shipping and tax and screen protectors and cases.

Well? Close to $1000 huh? Now we can discuss how much of a rip off this device is.

Sent using my 5X on XDA
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
So you're complaining about price, but then turn around and mention the iPhone 7 in the same breath. Before you immediately go on the defensive and say it's about the build, quality, the ecosystem, the product, the market, etc, you mentioned you were willing to pay the extra money once before, so why not now?
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] VOLTAGEROCK:
The reason of 'why not now' is because as of this moment, this device is a question mark.

I've had every Nexus device except the first one and they all were sub par. That's why I'll wait for actual reviews from people who get theirs.

Also there's a few other Android devices to choose from like the v20 and one+3T. 6gb ram.

And no way would I switch to an iPhone regardless even though that device has proven it's cost.

Just want to prove the Pixel is worth $1000.

Sent using my 5X on XDA
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] yellowsn0w:
5X is absolutely garbage, you messed up.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] dermotti:
I ponied up and ordered the Pixel XL. I have had nexus devices in the past, software was great but there was always compromises hardware wise that annoyed me.

If this phone ends up sucking, im gonna stick to chinese devices i think. Ive had great luck for the $$$ with them.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Chronzy:
Yeah the prices are high, but what am I not going to buy it? Of course I am. Google finally gave me a 5" amoled and more than 32gb to boot. I'm there. I actually cancelled my pre-order since it wasn't slated till late Nov and bought a 128gb from swappa for $200 more. So yeah I'm psyched about this phone.

I'm excited about the shift in direction these phones represent. Google has finally made it's iPhone. I think these phones will be remembered like the nexus 1. And finally a 5" nexus with good build quality. The 5 and 5x were incredibly cheap. Horrible screens. So yeah, I'm all over it, no matter the price.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] jdubya42:
Coming from the 5X I do not want to go back. The phone is much faster at doing simple tasks, the screen is way nicer, the camera is beyond excellent, I think the speaker sounds better and just fine (even without front facing), the metal and size of the phone feels much better, I can't complain about the chin at all, the phone is gorgeous. The ONLY thing I can complain about is the notification LED, it is kind of pathetic.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] Chronzy:
Actually just got mine this evening and I love it. I'm fine with the notification and not sure why everyone says it's so weak. Bigger than HTC M9/10.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] thesebastian:
And is the compass better? 5X compass is a mess always off and you need to calibrate it all the time! I hate to use Maps in the 5X.

Sent from my Nexus 5X
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] scottjb:
The Pixel is no Nexus--it's much better. You have to stop considering it another Nexus and drop that comparison. Regarding the $1,000 statement, any phone would have taxes and other charges. The base model is $650 and that's what you should compare.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] jdubya42:
I have no idea. I don't even know if I've even used the compass for anything. I was on Google maps last night and it knew what direction I was facing, if that's the compass haha.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] thesebastian:
Yes thats what I'm talking about. I open Maps in 5X and half the times is not accurate and I start walking in the wrong direction. And if I calibrate it, it doesn't last.

This is the issue https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/nexus/SK7gbrV5MhU

By the way thanks for the feedback I hope this works always fine in the Pixel!

Sent from my Nexus 5X
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] baobrain:
I don't understand why people keep complaining about the price. Google is clearly positioning the phone against the iPhone, and it is clearly priced so, and lives up to the expectations.

Disclaimer: I own a Pixel
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] kinghu:
Agreed. Different brand of phone, new strategy.

Price reflects the overall tight hardware/software experience with much more emphasis predominantly on software and the camera. It's obvious they've assigned a chunk of money in marketing to promote the brand.

If people don't like the price, there are plenty of hardware spec-focused options out there to suit that type of consumer.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] M3thodbombz:
I love my phone. I was a huge HTC fanboy ever since they released their first phone. I miss my speakers from all of my HTC devices but that's it. Best mobile device I've owned. People that complain about the price are the people that want nexus pricing which google was selling slightly above cost which was to showcase Android in pure form. This device brings in the new ball game.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] subhani:
People who don't want the Pixel, should choose the One Plus 3...

Or the Moto Z Play, or the Xperia X compact, or the Honor 8, or the Xiaomi flagships, or the ZTE Axxon 7... The list is endless. The beauty of Android.

---------- Post added at 09:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 PM ----------

Compass working fine here after the mandatory figure of 8 calibration.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] troy`:
A lot of people seem to think the Nexus line is dead. I think it's just on hold. I wouldn't put it past google to release another round of Google Play Edition phones to fill the gap for price point... or possibly even more Nexus's... Who knows. They do what they want and I love to watch them do it.

I've been using Android since the original G1 and I can say that it's almost impossible to predict googles actions or plans. Just look at their history. I mean. Remember when Google was just... Google.com? Now look... They are everything they can get their hands on.

That all being said, I remember when I got my Nexus 4, I thought "this is almost everything I want". Then the 5 and 5X same thing... Still didn't hit the sweet spot.... Along came my 5" Pixel and it's been everything and more than my Nexus phones were. I just wanted the right combination of hardware on a 5" Solid phone. Home run. Price? Whatever.. I can't say I feel they NEEDED to charge those prices. Do I feel robbed? Not one bit. Been using it for about a week and not one single thing has made me feel any kind of remorse for the purchase. I'm loving every bit of it.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
Hello.

I ordered an honor 8 on aliexpress and I wondered if there was a way to add the 800mhz band to take full advantage of 4G.

I am in Belgium and my operator is proximus.

thank you in advance .
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] HonorUSA_Eric:
Band info

Unfortunately, we don't support customers in Belgium. We advise that you contact our international support team at hihonor.com/global for help with your Honor device. (ED)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
ok, so no way to add the band 800 MHZ on a Chinese honor 8? even with the root?

I have another question.

If I have a warranty problem with my Chinese honor8, I must refer to the Chinese vendor or I can arrange me directly with international honor8?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] PalakMi:
It can't bee added by root, as bands are related to hardware (antenna inside the phone)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
ok ,thanks .
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] PalakMi:
Look for other variants, they may contain what you're looking for
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
yes, but I want the color gold. . . therefore necessarily Asian.

Okay for 4g anyway I never use it ;)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] PalakMi:
Whatever you like :)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
ok thanks.

If I have a warranty problem with my Chinese honor8, I must refer to the Chinese vendor or I can arrange me directly with international honor8?
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] muradulislam:
When buying from China, usually they sell it with international warranty, meaning you can take it to any customer service.

(Or at least that is what I was told by the shop lady couple of years back)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
ok thank you, I'll find out
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] Mostar088:
No Internationell warranty on Huawei, if u live in Belgium u need to buy it from a seller that will send it from a EU Country and then u will have warranty on it, there are a lot of Chinese seller that dispatch it from EU.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] PalakMi:
In my opinion, if you care about warranty, just buy it from EU
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] HonorUSA_Noah:
Honor 8 International Support

You would need to contact our international support team at hihonor.com/global for help with your Honor 8 device. (NS)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] alessa:
thanks :good:
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] Mostar088:
Is the Honor 8 L04 US version dual sim? The user guide says it is but people that try it says it's not and that it does not have 2 imei number. Can u confirm.
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] HonorUSA_Noah:
Single nano SIM

To confirm, the Honor 8 L04 US device is single nano SIM. It has two slots but only supports a single nano SIM with 1 IMEI number. (NS)
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] Nyssa1104:
Honor 8 Gold 64GB with 800Mhz support dual sim https://www.alza.co.uk/honor-8-prem...dium=product&utm_campaign=billiger_UK_Honor_8
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] PalakMi:
Is it FRD-L09?!
[Honor 8 Questions & Answers] Mostar088:
64gb are L19 or L14.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] jona_12:
Discuss here everything related to battery problems and solutions.
[Google Pixel Guides, News, & Discussion] crachel:
Nobody has the device yet, so when they ship and people can make comments about the battery life, we can have a thread.

Closed
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] math.teach:
I am using g930f and i want change my imei number. is it possible. if can how i do it?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] RiTCHiE007:
and why do you want to do this if i may ask? Did you steal this phone?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] math.teach:
No i am leave in Turkey and i bought my phone from another country. so my country want 60$ tax. i have paid imei and i want change it.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] *Detection*:
No, it's against XDA rules to even discuss, illegal to change IMEI in most countries
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] GuestK0087:
Changing the IMEI is illegal in most countries and therefore the discussion thereof is strictly prohibited on XDA.

Thread closed.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
1. I have a Nexus 6P and I think its not worth the upgrade

2. The price - at 1000 dollars this thing will set you back a hefty penny

3. No OIS. The phone doesnt have OIS, but it has EIS which uses software to stabilize the image

4. No front facing speakers

5. Not water resistant. if they are competing with Apple, why would they leave this out?

6. Same battery size as my nexus 6p

7. Since its a pixel phone it might be locked down like an IPhone (not confirmed but there is a chance)

8. 4GB RAM. Most phones nowadays have 4GB of RAM

9. No official updates after 2 years. This was one of the things that turned me off as well. They released this phone as a competition to Apple yet they will support their phones for less years.

10. The bezel. Its big, with nothing useful on it

11. 5.5 inch screen. Even the nexus 6p has a 5.7 inch screen.

12. Mono speakers

13. Pixel Launcher is not really that good. I'm sure most people will go back to google launcher because it's more customizable

I am sure there are more stuff to list. but these are what convinced me to cancel my pre order.

I guess ill just keep my 6P and see what happens next year.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] trickster2369:
This was all known in advance of the pre-order page going live. Why did you even bother ordering in the first place?

It was all just an illusion
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] r34p3rex:
Same. I find it hilarious how they position it at iPhone pricing, and then leave out features that the iPhone has like water resistance and official updates for years
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Constrabus:
I'm about to cancel mine too...

Compare with the Axon 7!

-Better camera

-Dual front speakers

-No bezel

-Half the price

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Google-Pixel-XL,ZTE-Axon-7/phones/10263,10068
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
PSA only 1 Bottom Firing Speaker also.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] yudumcan:
yeah, Axon os the way to go. or even OP3 when the price is down.