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[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] rajeshr:
Not sure why you think the Note 7 is crap? it's a pretty good device with a few shortcomings (single crappy speaker, Grace UX etc.). IMHO, the Pixel (XL) seems like a decent phone. But at that price point, you have some fairly tough competition. And at about half that price, you have competitors (ZTE Axon 7, OnePlus 3 etc.) that will give you almost everything that the Pixel phone have. The real advantage of the Pixel phones is the software (stock without bloatware hopefully) - but for the hardware, other than the Snapdragon 821, there's not much to be impressed about. Will need to wait for the camera comparison to see what that's like, though!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
No Pixel overpriced and outdated toys for me. Not in the same league as the Nexus6 & 6p or the upcoming Mate9, V20, Asus 3 Deluxe, Axon7, etc.!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] sabesh:
It's got OIS.

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Agreed. Note 7 is a stellar phone.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] David111jr:
I applied for the financing and after the madness wore off I came to realize this phone really aunt that great.

The more I thought about it ...The only reason I was so fired up on getting it was because I couldn't admit to myself Apple actually out did google.

I never owned a nexus device and always said before I would ever jump ship I would have to try a nexus phone or pure android...

But now looking at the things I like.

1 look

2durability (inc.water proof dust proof)

3camera

I really hate to say this but, Apple out does them in all three.

Dxo gave the pixel a score of 89 which is really good because if you think about it The only feature it has is hdr+.

Dxo hasn't rated the iphone 7plus yet but it gave it's little sibling a 86. The duo camera gives far better shots in zoom and is better at certain lighting scenarios so it should receive a score the same if not better then the pixel.

So thanks google for denying me. Hey maybe next year
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] eddymonti:
No... it doesn't.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] darabo:
One of the main requirements for Daydream is Android Nougut, since the Axon 7 has already been announced as a Daydream compatible phone it's guaranteed to be updated.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] cam30era:
[MENTION=2979097]flex360[/MENTION],

Don't take this the wrong way. You sound exactly like me, exactly one year ago, when I cancelled my 6P order and decided to keep my Nexus 6. For many of the same reasons. I'm going to try the XL now (unless I change my mind, again, and decide to cancel...). ;)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Vitamin_D:
The only benefit of the Pixel phone is the cloud storage and camera. It looks nice but it's definitely overpriced. I knew it would be overpriced as soon the rumor of the name change was announced. I have never seen a Pixel device at a coffee shop or in the wild so I can't see how they have more brand recognition than Nexus. Nexus is a better name and idea and I hope this phone fails. So far I'm not impressed with Google this year.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] mrvirginia:
Recall - I'm not even going to tell you my experience via thread, maybe PM. It's quite long winded...

Hardware - Their curved screens. Never thought I'd say this, but wish it had more bezel. A flat Note7...

Software - It's gotten better, but still needs a lot of trimming and refinement. Their software, truthfully I think, is crap.

Only thing that was great about this phone, for me, was that it had a nice display and camera.

I know a lot maybe cannot justify the price, and I'm not trying to, but I think the hardware/software/experience of the device will actually justify what they're asking. Sure it's not water proof, but in Android world I think it just might be a top contender. I wish Google would support their devices with OS upgrades for the same length as Apple but it's basically either Apple or Google...both have their pros and cons.

ZTE Axon 7 is a very very very nice looking phone. Easy to see why people are drooling over it. If only I were still a T-Mobile customer (Note7 story). I joined my gf on VZW.

Free photo/video storage at full original quality...is no one excited about that?

Edit: I'm not ready to give in to Apple just yet
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] undertaker2k14:
All Pixels are Crap, beginning with the Pixel C with it's spectacularly broken Wifi that they never fixed. As of today, Apple and Google suck equally for me. Using a S7 from their mobile insights program and liking it a lot, though the OP3/Axon 7 would be my top choice for unlocked new phones now. Kudos to the OP for the cancellation. The high prices on these phones are just to pay the salaries of the new pixel team they hired. Hope they sell next to nothing of these, scrap the miserable Pixel unit and resurrect the Nexus line.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SlyUK:
What would you guys choose between the OnePlus 3 and the ZTE Axon 7 ?

Also Xiaomi will release the Mi Note 2 soon....
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] lordred12345:
Official updates that breaks phones

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I'll get to compare this phone against my OP3 and see what I like after a month
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
Would be better served asking about those phones in their respective threads.. [emoji1303]
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
TRUE.

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ZTE Axon 7 is being used on Verizon. It has all the CDMA/LTE Verizon bands. There's no "official" support and you need already activated Verizon SIM card. However, no Verizon VoLTE. Perhaps that will change in the near future if the Verizon "certifies" the device.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
Not sure what the problem is here... Google has decided to fall in line with most other "Premium" device manufacturers.. You want to play, gonna have to pay....as the ol' saying goes... There are plenty of other midrange devices flooding the market, Google has decided to step up their game and take a shot at the upper echelon instead of floundering in the middle. Nobody in this thread has even laid a finger on this device, yet it's the worst thing ever!!! All because of it's price point.. lol

Do I think it's overpriced? Hell yeah, as is just about every other "flagship" device on the market. Will it be comparable, guess we'll see... but good lord, welcome to 2016 and overpaying for just about everything that's considered a luxury item, yes I'm lumping smartphones in there because it's ridiculous to think most of the major phones on the market are running around $1,000 yet consumers are gobbling it up... We've made our own bed, it's time to lay in it.. [emoji1308]
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
No, it's also because of honestly comparing the HARDWARE SPECS for the price point. The unnecessary huge bezels don't help, either We laugh at iPhones because of that. Lol, yourself.

See this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=68982658&postcount=7
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] edda123:
Omg it's smaller than the Pixel with FF speakers.

If only the Axon 7 had software buttons... I ****in' hate capacitive buttons.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, with even FRONT FACING stereo speakers AND capacitive buttons (and exact SAME 5.5" 1440p AMOLED Samsung display), the $400 AXON 7 is still slightly SMALLER than the pig Pixel XL. Due to the useless HUGE bezels. And the Axon 7 is also Daydream VR capable.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
I completely understand the anger!!! I suffered from sticker shock as soon as I seen it.

Sorry, I won't lump an "Axon" in the same category as Apple, Samsung, LG etc... The Axon could be a great device that gets the company on the map.. Guess what happens two years down the road? The Axon flagship device is $800... Just the nature of the beast..

You want an iPhone, you're going to pay.. you want a Samsung, you're going to pay... Low and behold, you want a Google device, guess what? You're going to have to pay...

Inherently change is tough, guess we'll learn to like it or move on, it's that simple.. no need to get all worked up about it IMO
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] SlyUK:
Just wondered what people were going to go for if they weren't getting the Pixel XL ?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zymphad:
I hope this phone fails miserably. Price is mind boggling considering paid $400 for 6P and see no reasons to upgrade.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] JasonJoel:
Why would you hope it fails? That is really childish.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. No need to wish ill on others...

Bizarre...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zymphad:
Because maybe Google will rethink and return to what made 6P successful next year?

I hope it fails miserably. I hope it is an embarrassment for them. Record losses.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
i hope it fails too

if it doesnt then google will keep ignoring the fans of android and release another pixel at crazy prices
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
The camera on the Axon 7 in low light is trash though. Just so you know lol.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
I'll be the first to admit I was considering picking up a new 6P instead or the LGV20 here in the near future. I had to return my Note 7 due to the recall and decided to give a iPhone 6+ a whirl... First and last iPhone I'll ever use, not because I'm an Android guy at heart, just can't customize this thing at all !!! Very child like in the way they've restricted user options.. Anyway, back to the Pixel.. So I was going to get a 6P or V20, watched the launch event and was sold..Also preordered the Google Home device to compliment Amazon Alexa . I like Alexa, but I think I'll be able to streamline things a lot more with the Pixel/Google Home/Chromecast Ultra combo as most of my media will be more accessible (and voice accessible) via google services I subscribe to i.e Play Music, YouTube Red, Netflix.. So I'm basing my purchase more so on integration and functionality than price point... Trust me, don't like the price, but it's inline with the other major players...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] x111:
Agree, Pixel XL seems ugly **** as well as Nexus 6p which both have small screen and no wireless charger. Why the ..uck there are those HUGE bezels, it out of my understanding !!

I cannot believe that I have to stuck with my perfect Nexus 6.

I hope at least new pixel xl will get root and unlocked boatloader, otherwise it's complete waste.

I'm highly disappointed of google, already second time.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
Hopefully the next time around they'll make the next pixel better

I feel early adopters are gonna feel real stupid next year when google releases a much better pixel for cheaper
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Well this is actualy the first Nexus (?)/Google phone i don`t want to own, had all the others but i`am going to skip this years Pixels. There are a couple of interesting and cheaper alternatives available to be bought. Can`t imagine Google will sell that many devices that look and cost as much as they do.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Off course to each his own, hope you will enjoy the device bro but many folks here are dissapointed with the charged prices and a rather odd looking design.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Dethfull:
I really want to know who will buy this DAMn.

Gogle said someday:

"We will be an Apple's opposite"

Like damn microsoft said too.

Well

Ee dee OT A

!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] LiquidHonesty:
Well, I ended up cancelling my pre-order last night. Realized that while I was ready to pay the close to 900 bucks (XL/128), I didn't find myself excited about getting the phone. Thus, I'll stick with my 6P or maybe switch back to a Note (had the Note 4 before the Nexus 6 and then 6P).

Maybe I'll pick up the Pixel XL 2 :)
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
my excitement died after an hour of preordering. I remember when i preordered my 6p, how excited I was and even when i actually got the phone I was amazed.

I didnt feel it this time.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Pastorelli's:
There is not much empty space inside the phone.

If the Bezels were smaller at the top/bottom the phone would be thicker also i believe.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Dethfull:
The bootloader will >NOT< be unlockable! See the absurd!

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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3474111
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
ive seen phones with better specs with much smaller bezels

HTC is known to have awful bezels..i know. i was buying their phones for years.

The front is horribly designed
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] zeflun:
I am keeping my Order, here are the reasons:

821 Processor

Updated Camera

NO OIS is a non issue since Nexus 6P videos turned out completely fine without it.

Unlimited Photo Storage(This won it for me)

Hopefully no Mic Issues this time(Nexus 6P - Big Mic issue unless its next to my mouth)

Free VR Headset

Price - If I can pay for a S6 Edge with all the bloatware, and late updates. I can afford to pay for a phone without those issues.

I've never had a phone with Water Resistance built in, never had a issue with it either. Last 2 phones have been without SD card, I no longer find it useful taking the card out, just using the phone is easier. The reason for me to have a Nexus or Pixel is not to root, its just a phone with the base OS and nothing slowing it down.

Again the biggest winner on this phone is the unlimited photos storage, so I will be keeping this phone for at least 2 years.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Have you even owned the Axon 7? Seriously dude, shut up about the phone. I owned it and sold it a week later. It wasn't that great.

1. Who gives a **** if BMW helped "design" the phone.

2. How do you KNOW it has the same display as the Pixel XL? Same size/resolution does NOT mean they are the same. There could be a strong difference between the two.

3. Award-winning audio from the speakers? Lmao. The 6P is louder than the Axon 7. The Axon 7 sounds a bit better quality wise, probably ONLY due to the Dolby EQ. You could achieve a similar result on the 6P with EQ settings.

4. A REAL camera? Yes, a real **** camera. If you try to use the camera in anything besides BRIGHT, OUTDOORS CONDITIONS, it sucks. I did a comparison between my Note7 and the Axon 7, both set to 1/10 second shutter speed with 200 ISO in dimly-lit indoors. The Note7 shot looked great. The Axon 7 was almost black and unusable. It SUCKS in anything other than perfect lighting. And even in perfect lighting, the Axon 7 has color rendition issues AND has TERRIBLE lens softness at the edges. I do agree, the Pixel XL SHOULD have included OIS. No reason not to include it. HTC did it with the 377 sensor in the 10. The Pixel camera will DESTROY the Axon 7.

5. Daydream, whatever. Axon 7's software sucks. It will only, MAYBE, be decent when the official CyanogenMod release comes out. And who knows when that, or the official Nougat release, will be.

6. My only agreement is the size of the Pixel XL and its bezels are TERRIBLE. And the design is nothing to write home about either. They absolutely should have either made the phone smaller, or put front speakers on it. No excuse there.

I'm not happy about the hardware or price point either. From those perspectives, the Note7 is a MUCH better value. But software and speed reigns king for me, and the Pixel phones will be untouchable.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
Because I do my research. ;) It's the exact same Samsung panel.

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NO, it's not. Don't start lying. At this point I doubt anything you say. So, I doubt you even owned the Axon 7.

The 2nd image (rust colored) is the Axon 7. See the max output?

And since you are curious, go read this:

Axon 7 - In-Depth Audio and Speaker Quality Details

https://community.zteusa.com/thread/2110

Why are you coming into this thread if you love Google's screwup? You keep following me around trying to start arguments.

I'm merely pointing out how GREAT the Pixel XL could have been instead of rendition of an old iPhone.

ZTE’s AXON 7 Devices Win An Audio Innovation Award At IFA

http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...ces-win-an-audio-innovation-award-at-ifa.html
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Research huh? Share this with us all, because that is really an important thing to know and be able to PROVE.

I'm not lying. I had both phones side by side playing content. The 6P is ever so slightly louder than the Axon 7, but the Axon 7 was slightly better quality. I have owned both phones. You haven't. Your argument is void.

I wholeheartedly agree this phone was a letdown. But it is still a great enough phone that I am going to get it, especially with the supposedly best camera ever... and if the phone does suck (which it certainly won't), 30 day return policy is available. This phone should've been 5.7" with front speakers for how large it is. That is my only complaint.

EDIT: Those numbers you posted are headphone jack output, not speaker output. Maybe we got a little lost there. Yes, the Axon 7's headphone output BLOWS other phones away, and I wish Google would have incorporated better headphone audio in all their phones. But I was strictly referring to the speakers.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I posted my research on the loudness. You were crossposting. NO, it doesn't show the 6p, but I don't believe anything you say at this point anyway. But if you start another argument I will report you. I can criticize the Pixel XL all I want for valid reasons. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Loudness of the headphone jack was not a debate. I agree with you there.

It is absolutely relevant if the Pixel XL and Axon 7 use the EXACT same model display. You say they do. Where is your proof? You have NONE. You are spreading RUMORS on the phone by doing so.

Go ahead and report me. I don't care if you criticize the phone, or if anyone else does. What I can't stand is misinformation being spread and ate up on forums. People act like they know what they are talking about when they pull the information straight from their ass. Post up facts with proof, and I will back you 100%.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] ChazzMatt:
I read hundreds of articles a day. Seriously. It's the same panel. And no, I can't put my hands on that one article. Right now, all I can find is this:

https://community.zteusa.com/thread/2079

However, that was from July and the article I read about comparing the two was just last week from a source who knew the materials used in both phones.

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Another N6 expert disagrees with you.

Axon 7 vs Nexus 6: Speaker Quality

Again, why I can't believe you. :)

So, you love the Pixel XL. Therefore, go love it. Don't argue with people who can prove there's better spec phones out there for half the price.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] x111:
I do not mind thicker phone but it's absolutely NO excuses for those HUGE bezels !!!
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] InNOut:
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but apparently it's unofficially IP53.

Not sure if I'm allowed to post links, so just Google it if you wanna confirm.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
I'm sure this thread is going to end up being closed soon as it's not a productive piece of literature for anyone who ends up reading it. Nobody wins, everybody loses.. Most of the content is from a Axon fan who's disappointed with the spec's and price point of Google's new flagship device. It's called a flagship device because it has the specs of one, it's not something that's up for debate, it's not a matter of a disappointed potential customers opinion, it's not for me or anyone else to prove... Fact is, it is...

You're unhappy, I/we get it.. I won't say this is trolling because you seem like a nice knowledgeable guy that's just upset... But at this point refer to the first couple of sentences in this post.. There are plenty of other threads in the Pixel XL section that will probably be disappearing soon as well once everyone gets a chance to vent..

It's time for everyone to move forward and say goodbye to the Google Nexus business model and try to embrace Google as they become an actual device manufacturer, not just another device software OS developer..If you can't do that it's going to be a painful, bumpy ride down the road my friends [emoji1308]
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] hypnotiqphil:
He said 6P not N6 they are two totally different phones... please learn to read
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Steve Lazarus:
Again, another offensive/rude post directed at who knows that's not productive in any way, shape or form. Thanks for proving my point...
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Super Chimp:
If you really think they are going to release a cheaper phone next year then I suggest you're going to be very disappointed.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] daniel4653:
many people didn't like the design or were skeptical of the 6P.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
Even if two devices use the same panel (model number included), that doesn't mean they'll be "tuned" in the same way. Besides, who cares if the Axon 7 and the 6P use the same panel. I'd still like to see the model numbers for each of the panels, though, not just someone who is a representative of ZTE (Axon).

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No way they'll release something MORE expensive...because then they'd most likely have the most expensive phone of all time.

Wasn't the Nexus 6p cheaper than the Nexus 6?
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Not in Europe, the 128GB version went for 799 euro`s in the Play Store. The Pixel XL will go for 1.049 euro`s:silly:
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] flex360:
im certain they will release a much better spec phone though.

the pixel is lacking in a lot of areas for that price
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Stephen:
Moderator Warning,

I have looked over this thread and it has de-railed a bit. Can we get back on topic please. This is for people who want to cancel their pre-orders. This is not a phone comparison thread. So can we please get back to the topic at hand.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] M9guy:
I agree, as googles philosophy is since they sold at least one pixel their price is justified lol so next years will be at least this price lol. Google does not care about what people want otherwise they would have included an sd card slot like most other flagship phones have, such as for starters Htc 10, samsung s7, s7 edge and note 7, and the motorola models so googles is just too arrogant to give buyers what they want.
[Google Pixel XL Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
If this thing sells even remotely well, they'll continue with this price point almost guaranteed.

Funny thing is, where can they go from here? It has the "best" camera, newest processor (2017 flagships will use 821 probably), high RAM...

They tried the 6" and then scaled back, same with front facing speakers.