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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] jackdforme:
it really amazes me that some people will justify anything, even for something like their phones.

I have the note, had the S7E, the Note 5, the S6E and countless other brands of phones. Regardless of how I feel about the note (it's the best smartphone ever) it is no time to start backing up Samsung or any other for-profit corporation. They made a design with a flaw, it happens to be a big scary flaw, even if limited in cases. I will not be keeping my replacement not because I think it will immolate but because I have 2 kids and a wife. Who would logically continue rolling the dice even if you know it more than likely won't happen to you?

I know all phones blow up but when one does a tiny bit more than others in a short period, it changes the game.

Here's to the iphone looking Pixel XL I guess...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
I asked which note 7's in China have burnt up one after the other and all you did was link a quote to yourself stating the same thing. Where is the proof of these burnt up phones all over China?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lynseyw:
If this is real, I will hang onto my phone until I can get the LG V20. It seems like the only option as far as a replacement. At least I can use my Samsung 256gb sd card that was a gift. Haha.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 7.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
How is it fanboyism if we want PROOF?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
I don't know man....the text message the guy in Kentucky accidentally received from a Samsung rep is pretty damning or telling. If I were the guy with the phone in that case, I would be suing.

http://www.theverge.com/platform/am...ung-galaxy-note-7-third-fire-smoke-inhalation
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lovehoshi:
I find it ridiculous that anytime anyone states that they will wait until an official statement is given out they are deemed as a fanboy or irrational or is accused of defending Samsung. What is truly irrational is not seeing how the media is clearly taking a spin on this whole topic especially because it is a slow news week.

If I am a fanboy of anything it would be the Nexus series. I just want a logical real explanation from a credible source, not the same continuous reports from multiple tech news outlets and scare tactic articles saying to return the phone right now. Some people CAN NOT just return the phone as they please (purchased from Swappa/eBay etc.) and in that case they can only but wait for real proof to arise.

I AM NOT discrediting the fact that the Note 7 explodes. Clearly there is something and was something wrong with the device, but what we don't know is if this is a widespread issue or something that is limited to a certain batch. I will make the logical choice of keeping my device until conclusive evidence from a REPUTABLE source proves otherwise.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
Replacement AT&amp;T Note7 *Supposedly* Overheated on a Southwest Flight 10/4

If I had received that text message I would be posting all over the internet - who it was from and who it was suppose to be to not just putting the body of the text in a story.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
In Another Thread, I mentioned that phones that exploded were at maximum used for 10 days. There are no news on any Note 7 which exploded like after 1 month of use. Seems to me that the anomaly in the device surfaces pretty fast. And I don't really agree that after 2 months of use your phone may still explode. Once the battery has experienced maximum heat and has settled in the device without any incident, than it MAY mean that the device is safe to use.

Take it from someone who guessed in August that some devices problem was not the charging, but the pressure inside the phone that couldn't handle the heat.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
I totaly agree and understand your valid point. Problem is we are past that point. In my last post I wrote that regardless of guilt or justification whatever, the Note is stuffed as far as new consumer confidence also travel and resale.

Lets take the best scenario. All recent allegations against the new Note 7 are conclusively proved fraud or a genuine mistake whatever........, how does this alter the fact that this is now THE most infamous mobile phone in the world. Not one new review has been written or given without reference to the first batch having a problem. Further, how can we travel with one? How can we sell one in six months time? If an owner has a family is he wise to keep a mobile phone that could potentially cause a fire hazard? I mean we are talking a mobile phone here its not something worth risking ones families health over, in fact nothing is?

The vast majority of Note 7 customers are happy bunnies. That does NOT change the awful stigma now attached to this wonderful device. Makes me angry.

As to Samsung. Samsung is split into dozens of divisions, defence, electronic, building (they have built three of the tallest building in the world) In fact Samsung is an enormous company. Samsung will not be too badly hit by this situation. What is taking a massive hit is Samsung's mobile division. If that hit is justified only time will tell.

This is one genie that is not going back in the bottle regardless if Samsung itself or the fruity company took the stopper out. Conspiracies abound and some may be factual, doesn't matter. Ownership of this wonderful Note 7 is now tarnished whether we like it, accept it, of fight it. THAT'S the pig of it for me :( :mad:

Ryland

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So, for the sake of argument lets say your assumptions are spot on. I don't think they are but lets go with it.

Are you suggesting then that potential new buyers go ahead and buy and if the Note 7 doesn't burn in the first 10 days relax as its safe? :silly: Just playing devils advocate here but that is the summary of your post. Not a good sales pitch is it. Not a good endorsement of the Note 7 either?

Just food for thought.

Ryland :highfive:
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Spike96:
Dunno about you, but I had planned on keeping this device for at least 3 years.

The Galaxy Note 7 IS AWESOME! No doubt the best phone on the market today. I wouldn't want to sell it even after 3 years. It's too damn cool. Hell, I feel like James Bond every time I unlock my phone using the iris scanner.

But as to your travelling concerns, I think airline rules on the Note 7 have died down, and will be completely nonexistent in a few months. Unless Samsung releases another extremely high profile statement like the recall, I think we'll be fine.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Not sure if that was him or the news deciding to do that. Pretty sure based on watching his interview he's going to be under the advice of legal counsel.

It would far easier for Samsung to deny that text message than an exploded battery. Why hasn't Samsung done that?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Batfink33:
Because they're guilty and taking legal advice. The whole thing stinks and Samsung need to pull the Note 7 completely.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Let me translate that email wih a different possible scenario:

"I could remain nice to this fraudster if we deem it important to prevent further ruining of our reputation. If we think the damage won't go further, we can wait and see how low he will go and what else we can sue him for."

The guy would not give up the phone for examination for goodness sake! I am not saying this is what happened, but it is possible!

I know the N7's reputation is ruined. People usually only read bad news and don't get updated with a possible positive outcome. BUT I didn't buy it for resale. If this nightmare is resolved, WE will know and who cares what others think. Flying will not be a problem because if an official investigation clears Samsung, airlines will HAVE TO know about it. I will keep my phone in a case and an average person won't know what phone it is. It will be fine.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] rkaria1970:
A far more balanced analysis of the Note7 crisis.

A few quotes from the article.

Things are bad for Galaxy Note7, but maybe not as bad as you think.

Forrester Research analyst J.P. Gownder agrees that some damage has been done and he expects Samsung and Samsung Galaxy brand perception scores to take a hit.

"It takes years to build up brand equity and trust, but only one major product recall to knock a vendor down a couple of notches," he told me in an email.

However, Gownder thinks the "doomsayers" are going too far. His Forrester colleague, the company's VP and Principal Analyst Frank Gillett, told me in an email, "I realize that many pundits are ready to write off the brand and the phone, but the pundits breathe their own exhaust and overrate crises."

It's a little early to say last rites over the Note7, until other cases of New Note7 issues surface and prove this is more than a one off," he added.

link to entire to entire article. http://mashable.com/2016/10/08/the-future-of-the-samsung-galaxy-note7/#LeKzYbwdSiqw
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
The realist in me says that too many reports have happened to think this will all end up under the rug.

Since you like hypotheticals, let's say you keep using your phone like that and you should find yourself with a hissing smoking n7 on a plane or train at some point...do we impose harder penalties against someone who ignored the reports and chose to do so?

I mean let's face it, this phone is done for both updates and portability. You shouldn't have to..

1) power off and stow just to board a plane

2) disguise your phone by putting it in case

3) deny your phone is a note 7

Did you really pay what you did for the phone for that?

Limiting charge is another thing you shouldn't have to do.

This phone has suddenly tied more shackles to its owner than what is just...and Samsung will have to deal with that.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Hey, if the product isn't banned, it is considered an accident, vis maior, whatever. Are all Note7 owners autamatically criminals now?

Note 7 is innocent till proven guilty. We don't have to do anything yet.

And if in fact these cases are fraud, I should hope Samsung would sue them to gain some reputation back. If I can point someone to OFFICIAL data, it is pretty easy to convince people. If one feels a need to....
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Didn't say that. But watch what you ask for because every day that goes by we are closer to that being the possibility. If recalled and ended, do you plan to turn yours in?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
If thes PROVE with factual data that the phone is dangerous, then I will have ti, right?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lovehoshi:
Yes :) And that is when I will be turning mine in as well. Only when actual PROOF is provided.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
If Samsung make an 'official' recall and you keep your device and you have a problem YOU are held accountable in law as you should be. As Samsung has NOT, to date, made an 'official recall' you would not be responsible in law UNLESS your government makes a recall, in that case you are again legally bound to return that device. Its a pigs ear and this should have been sorted from the off.

There are still countries where the Samsung importer has yet to start a recall on the first batch? That is absurd.

It is also absurd to note that in some countries where there has been a recall that some owners are being highly irresponsible and keeping their original mobile. If only Samsung would make the original recall official it becomes illegal to own one, sell one or store one etc.

I didn't need the law to ensure I returned my first mobile. I like to consider myself an adult as I wear long trousers and don't need the nanny state to tell me what to do. Shame we all live in such states though as so many need their thinking done for them!

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] apprentice:
Do you drive a car? Do you drive your wife and kids in it? Do you own a gun? Do you smoke? Do you take them on an airplane? These are far more likely to kill/maim you or your family than a Note 7 Are you going to be giving up all those riskier activities? Your logic doesn't really hold water.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
If you trust them (Samsung) to prove to you the phone is hazardous you are way too trusting of a person. I suspect (purely speculation here) that Samsung is also going to find itself afoul of the us cpsc on the Kentucky one which occurred before the southwest jet incident. It would appear they were aware and didn't share the info with the cpsc who would have made the report public immediately (like they did with the southwest jet one).

I'm sorry, but at this point I don't trust Samsung as you do. That feeling is likely why you are having such a hard time defending them here.

Most of us are feeling misled and pacified on this problem rather than made whole.

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Wonder if he would write the same story today with the examples plural now showing. Easy to write this when it was one...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Not only is there no official recall anywhere right now on the second batch, in my country there so no such thing as refunds right now! What am I supposed to do, smash it with a hammer to make some of you happy? Moan on forums all day? Go on antidepressant?

Of course I turned the first phone in first chance I got. It was a different situation though, wasn't it?

Why I somewhat trust Samsung? They could have covered up things the first time and they didn't.

I don't expect proof from Samsung. But from proper authorities. OK?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Batfink33:
The extra cases in the past couple of days put a whole new spin on things. Really, there's no way you should buy this phone now or keep it. I'd take it back for a refund. I don't believe that there's now 4 people faking an explosion. This goes beyond a bad battery and into a faulty design that's not been fixed. The CPSC will come down heavily on Samsung over this.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Its called by insurers 'Risk management'.

If you take your holiday in your back garden your risk of injury is ??%. Drive your car to the airport, catch a Tupolov aircraft to Afghanistan and while there your wife walks around in a bikini while you walk around holding a bible then your risk of seeing your garden again diminish exponentially. I guess the point is why add more risk than there is already?

We only get one life, its not a rehearsal and any risk for a mobile phone......its not even worth thinking about.

My bloody concern is I just don't have enough,

read ANY

, information on what to make my risk analysis!!! To that end I am knowingly accepting any possible risk at present. As long as I have zero reason to think this mobile is a danger I will keep it and use it BUT with added caution until the facts are known.

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] andyahs:
Way too much drama.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Batfink33:
To be honest, I wouldnt go near a Tupolov aircraft! lol.

Would you agree the way Samsung are acting in this is very suspicious? It very much looks like they're hiding something now or at least know they've got a bigger problem than they originally thought. The silence from them tells a lot. I was sympathetic with them after the initial recall and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but this has ended my sympathy.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
In my country even the first incident barely reached the media. No refunds. It is not even the same situation for everyone. Yet people would judge other people based on hearsay and one sided stories. We know nothing yet. And just how fast after the first 90 cases was Samsung able to react? Now you expect they will come out with an answer within a week? They weren't even given the phones to examine them yet! Or do they not get any say at all in the matter?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Well. I feel sorry for the country you live in for one.

Secondly, this appears to be the same issue. Not a new. So Samsung likely has an idea of what's going on at this point internally. If they don't they are inept.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] notefreak:
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but only networks in US are offering refunds for second batch phones right now. So yeah.

I don't pretend to know what kind of problem this is, old or new.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
Guys, is this news new or old??

http://news.softpedia.com/news/vide...-7-bursting-into-flames-in-korea-509093.shtml
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Yes I haven't seen anything outside of the us yet. Probably will take until the end of this week to get anything from Samsung as att has said they will make their decision to pull it by Friday (which will likely speed things up)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] htcplussony:
Have this been posted? Note7 in a Burger King in Korea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCGyzUf5rw No idea if its replacement or not but don't think it matters anymore.

EDIT. notefreak's is better since his link include the video of the second different Korea unit going.

EDIT2. opps. it was nomailx's post.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] bayniner:
I may be wrong but wasnt the original note 7 only burning while charging?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gCloud:
I thought that too.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
What kind of stupid question is that??

The new ones are improved versions, obviously! They can now explode without needing a charge. You don't even need to turn the phone on for them to explode.

Always innovating. That's Samsung for you!

xD
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Maerad:
I believe something is wrong with this phone. Yeah, there are other phones in the past whose battery was burning. But not so many right after the release. And if those 4 current reports of repaired phones going up in flames are real - and based on the current information I would say yes to at least 80% - I would wait to buy one, get it refunded or at least change to a new version.

Right now it doesn't matter if Samsung did something wrong or how they handle the situation. If this phone can still go up in flames, you should stop using it (let the battery run dry and keep it in a locker). I don't say get another one, but it would be best to return it for the time being and wait how this case goes on. Some argue, that the problem lies not within the battery, but somewhere else and the chance for the phone to blow up might increase with the reload times / usage time etc.

Doesn't really make sense to argue about it and you feel you are right, if that thing lights your house up. Worst case you or someone else could get hurt or die - not from the phone itself, but from a possible fire.

TL;DR:

Get a "repaired" version at least, return the phone if possible and stop using it for the time being (let the battery run dry to be save), until we know what is wrong and that the problem is really resolved.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] dottat:
The story is new because it references the current Kentucky case which we all just found out about. Interesting to see some smoldering video. Definitely not explosions. More like a rupture.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lockieio:
If you are worry about your "safety" stop smoking :) N7 best phone ever!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] bayniner:
Well since the old versions were burning while charging and the new version is burning without even being powered on, i feel i should keep my original note instead of getting the newer safer version lol
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Batfink33:
AT&T halt all sales. http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...r-to-halt-all-sales-of-the-safe-galaxy-note7/

The carriers obviously know something. All of them to follow.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] radioraheem2:
based on what logic do you think that, for this situation, it's better to listen to Samsung (the company with billions of dollars and perhaps the company's mobile division ON THE LINE) versus half a dozen of unconnected random strangers around the world who have no real reason to fake these things?

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because even when there is proof, like PHOTOS and VIDEOS of a burned phone, or on that Southwest flight where there were other eyewitnesses, some people on here are still resorting to one of the following:

1: "meh, i don't believe this. they're lying."

2: "meh, i bet that person used a crappy Chinese charger"

3: "meh, it's just XX out of XX million, i'm not concerned, and people who are concerned are fools"

this mentality is called victim blaming. like when that Australian dude's phone blew up in his hotel room and there were visible burn marks on his pillow, the immediate reaction was "did he put the Note 7 under his pillow? what a fool."

i understand wanting proof or being skeptical after one or two case, but this, going back to the original batch, is like dozens and dozens now. these are all unconnected people around the world, and unless you really think they were paid by Apple or something, they have no reason to fake these things.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Batfink33:
Another explosion!!

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/9/13218730/samsung-galaxy-note-7-fire-replacement-fourth-virginia

This phone is finished.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] radioraheem2:
this logic is just absurd. that's like if a black father in Chicago tell his just-turned-legal-age son "hey don't drink and drive tonight!" and the son replies with "well i'm more likely to die from being shot by the cops or being shot by gangs or getting cancer from eating microwave food so often so it's ok i'm just gonna drink and drive.

you are delusional if you're really arguing "ok, so this really really expensive phone you paid for has a manufacture defect that can injure you or burn your house down, BUT since statistically speaking you're more likely to die from other things, you shouldn't stress."
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] stewarta13wsb:
What kind of stupid question is that??

The new ones are improved versions, obviously! They can now explode without needing a charge. You don't even need to turn the phone on for them to explode.

Always innovating. That's Samsung for you!

Thanks for the post - that made me laugh out loud AND snort out my cup of tea!!

On a serious side - I've got my replacement - I loved both. I just hope it's a hoax or a mistake. If not? Maybe the new Google, I really don't know, for me there is no equal.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] MKchrias:
Why is it that there have been no reports from uk or other european countries?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] pappcam:
Why is The Verge so on top of these issues? Where is the rest of the media?

This all seems strange to me.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] taiseer999:
And why they all are happening now?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gCloud:
Maybe people in europe are less inclined to go to the media when something like that happens. I dont know.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Batfink33:
Samsung knew about it last Tuesday and sat on it. Why are people giving them the benefit of the doubt? It's crazy, this phone obviously has design problems.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] radioraheem2:
two incidents in South Korea caught on video. there's one from Burger King

https://youtu.be/PnCGyzUf5rw
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gCloud:
In the last 5 days we know about 4 in the US, 2 in Korea and 1 in Taiwan. All claim replaced units and not while charging.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] tttuning:
So I have a replacement note 7 with green battery...love the phone.but should I return it or what???
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] nomailx:
This is where Samsung writes "GG WP" to its competition.