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[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] rolarocka:
Great ROM and thx for your work. Running great here on my end. Only one thing, play services keeps fcing and I can't login to my Google account. Used open Gapps stock for 7.0. Any idea how to solve this? Perhaps SuperSU? Ty

OnePlus One FTW
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ChipKng:
Use Opengapps pico instead of stock.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] maartenw8:
There's an annoying bug in build 20161010... The permission pop-ups are broken so you need to go into the settings to give the app it's permission... Very annoying actually.. That wasn't the case in previous builds..
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] sakib98islam:
Open WiFi bug

Open WiFi sources such as cloud WiFi dont connect even after several reboots
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] maartenw8:
Another bug; the camera isn't even opening alot of times in latest build, so I have to reboot.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] maartenw8:
Is it possible of flashing an older build over a newer one? I want to flash first build I stead of second one..
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] maartenw8:
Bug in 20160929: when I call someone, I can't hear them and they can't hear me... Pretty important bug. I suggest installing google dialer.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Kilua90:
Thanks for the reply ? it works!

Unfortunately, my area coverage is not really weak and sometimes it just always give me 2g network.

Even my old phone signal is stronger and can get 3g than this phone signal which is very dissappointing.?

Is there any workaround to improve the phone's signal?

Again, thank you ??
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
It seems to work, connecting to data before turning off my device makes data work as it should, without having to (soft) reboot.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] maartenw8:
So [MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION] can we expect Oreo?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] kotzir:
Probably yes :)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] antmiu2:
Just flashed the 10-21 version and SIM not detected :( What can I do? I read something about a fast boot but I dont know what is that, please help.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Tetehwe:
I have a problem in the data network does not appear.

I have my mobile network settings but still do not show up

Please help
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Tetehwe:
Data network not working

I have a problem in the data network does not appear in update lineage 14.1 20171021

I have my mobile network settings but still do not show up

My device

Samsung s7275r 4G

Version firmware S7275RXXUAML1

Please help
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
Read this page and the one before.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Lriche:
Hi everyone.

I can't download LOS-14.1. Link seems dead... or more precisely it says that the target file can't found :(

I am from France (if it helps!)

Can anyone check the link and if possible make it available again, so rhat i can get it...?

Thanks all!
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] scarabou:
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=817906626617940942
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Lriche:
Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Lriche:
Hi folks,

I successfully downloaded LOS14 and GAPPS.

However, at the end of LOS14 installation, a red message says:

Patching system image unconditionally...
E:unknown command [log]
E:unknown command [log]
detected filesystem ext4 /dev/block/platform/msm_script.1/by-name/system
script succeded: result was [1.000000]

And then GAPPS installed correctly.

OK...

I try to boot my phone, then it asked for my SIM PIN.

I enter my PIN correctly, the phone asks for my PIN.

And here comes the issue... I try my usual PIN to unlock the phone, but doest not work.

I Try my SIM PIN, "000" , neither don't work.

Can anyone telle me if I did something wrong... ??
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Try wiping system, data, cache and dalvik cache, then reinstall the rom and gapps.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Tetehwe:
I try to follow the tutorial above

but still the data does not appear

i try to change apn and it does not work

and I try to reboot device and reconnect data but not work
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Tetehwe:
NOT WORK FOR ME

help friends

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Not work for me help
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Tetehwe:
I have the same problem
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
I'm having the same red message for some time now (also on updates without data problems). Never knew what it means. Never really bothered either.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Lriche:
Hi,

It seems to be working... Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] WildWoila:
Problem with Wifi

Big thanks to [MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION] for doing the hard yards.

I'm having trouble with my wifi dropping out frequently. Has anyone else had that problem? Any suggestions on possible fixes? I'm running 20.05, as I couldn't get the latest release to work with mobile data (as described above by a number of people).

Thanks! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] mkp85:
Excellent ! Thanks for the accomplished job !

With the camera, the fact to change the photo mode (automatic, action, augmented reality, beach, and so on...) make the application crash. It can be recovered by deleting data make it functionnal again. Not a big deal, but the "cleanup" is good to know...
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Hi guys,

Hyperlink to LOS files on the main page of the topic seem broken, does anyone know where I can find them ? Wanna try to update my good old Ace :)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=817906626617940942
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Thanks Oulu !
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Umm, what?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
My mistake, I meant Uumas.

Tinkering with my phone right now, ADB fails to connect to it in download mode (always "waiting for device") when trying to install TWRP recovery. I did not remember all the setbacks implied when modifying phones ^^
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
In download mode adb isn't supposed to be able to connect. In download mode you need to use Odin.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Ok that's why ! Do I still have to convert recovery.img into a format that Odin can handle ?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
The easiest way is to flash this: https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=24459283995311662 with Odin and then flashing the img one with TWRP.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
I flashed your file... but the phone still boots in Android recovery mode :(

EDIT: Odin gives me that, with apparently one error.

<ID:1/004> Added!!

<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..

<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..

<OSM> Please wait..

<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..

<OSM> Leave CS..

<ID:0/003> Odin engine v(ID:3.1203)..

<ID:1/004> Odin engine v(ID:3.1203)..

<ID:0/003> File analysis..

<ID:1/004> File analysis..

<ID:1/004> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..

<ID:1/004> Initialzation..

<ID:1/004> Get PIT for mapping..

<ID:1/004> Firmware update start..

<ID:1/004> SingleDownload.

<ID:1/004> recovery.img

<ID:1/004> RQT_CLOSE !!

<ID:1/004> RES OK !!

<ID:1/004> Removed!!

<ID:1/004> Remain Port .... 1

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 1 / failed 1)

<ID:0/003> Removed!!

<ID:0/003> Added!!

EDIT 2 : I tried to re-flash it, in any case. Now I do not have any recovery at all, the phone just ends up booting normally.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Make sure you put the file into AP and start holding volume up and home right away when the device reboots
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Ahah you are brilliant Uumas. Proceeding to next steps ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Well, I now have the data problem, alongside with Mozilla Firefox crashing at its startup :eek:

Is it useful to try fadzlan kun's solution in post #377 ? Which is :

"1. Flash 20.5 which work with mobile data

2. Configure the network

3. Flash the latest version rom by kotzir without any wipe"
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
It's worth giving a shot.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
It worked indeed ! Thanks a lot for your support, and to Kotzir for the port ! :)

The ROM works smoothly so far. The only bug I see is about the unlocking screen: I generally have to try twice or more before I can access to the screen where you swipe to unlock the phone. Sometimes pressing the physical unlocking key leads to nothing but a black screen, sometimes to a glitched unlocking screen. It does not prevent from using the phone, though.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Stoatburger:
I got that effect when I accidentally enabled livedisplay... livedisplay is known not to work in this rom, and disabled by default. Check it's still disabled.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Thanks for the piece of advice, [MENTION=8752547]Stoatburger[/MENTION] , I don't have the problem anymore after disabling LiveDisplay.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
After using dirty flash over 20170520, about 2 weeks ago i made a clean install off

in order to install MicroG.

Data defenetly connected better with the dirty flash.

With the clean install from time to time it needs a couple reboots to connect to data.

Dirty flashing over 20170520 is the way to go.

For the people stil nterested in MicroG it's very easy to install using this:

https://xdaforums.com/android/development/microg-unofficial-installer-t3432360
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] bomber39:
Hi guys with this version lineageOS 14.1, when using speakerphone the mic is not working, i have got the same problem using earings, the other person can't hear me! :(
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
Thanks for your piece of advice. I think I will stick to my now working system, but I'm glad to know this project exists.

The vanilla Samsung headphones+microphone shipped with the phone work perfectly for me. My Sony headphones+mic don't (but they are rather specific, with noise reduction etc.). I never tried with other sets.

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I was also wondering : is the last version by Kotzir secure in regards to the KRACK Wi-Fi exploit ? Looks like the Android security definitions are older than the Lineage patch.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Kilua90:
Have you guys tried the oreo rom for galaxy ace 3? Can you give your review. Thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
As far as i know we didn't get it yet. Or(eo) did i mis something ?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] scarabou:
I guess fadzlan kun is referring to this rom http://rootmygalaxy.net/download-and-install-lineage-os-15-on-galaxy-ace-3-loganreltexx/
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] x53:
I could only find a well typed article, but no rom to download (clickbait)? :eek: Or(eo) did I miss something?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
:D
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] scarabou:
I couldn´t find any download link also. Maybe a clickbait. :(
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zh_eco:
fake articles and fake news ;)

No official Lineage 15.x ROM for our device yet.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
So far, as far as i know, only one dev has provided us with custom ROM's (and lots of other goodies) for our device, or(eo) maybe i missed something again:D.

It would be a surprise if that would suddenly change on such an "old", low-end device like ours.

When [MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION] getts LOS 15 up and running like he thinks it should, he will let us know.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zh_eco:
definitely, no one denies that kotzir is the leader and the best developer for this device. he has done a magnificent work that is very difficult .he deserves a lot of respect and applause :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] blackandrew:
I am totally beginner, but I went deep into it by google and youtube and now done I did it, it's working perfectly!

Key: Always read carefully what Kotzir wrote!

First step was installing TWRP recovery by Odin (youtube helped)

Thank You Kotzir, nice work!
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] tak.dan01:
Hello, facebook messenger dosent work with microphone at the videochat. Does anyone know how to work?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] kotzir:
First thing was to port latest TWRP for our Ace 3. You can grab TWRP 3.2.1 from here. I would be grateful if it could be tested for functionality.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Nice! I'll test it now. Btw. the TWRP link in your sig. and one of the download links in OP are broken.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
+1
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Everything seems to be working fine. Tested backups, restore, wipes, install. I was unable to install the image with the older version of twrp, but that might be a bug in the older version or something. Successfully flashed this with flashify.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] kotzir:
Nice. I will update also the dead links as soon I get home.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
Same here, tested the same things.

Flashing the image with previous TWRP worked for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zh_eco:
I failed to flash slim6 ROM using this new recovery .. ERROR 7

it said something like : not for your device or incompatible model .
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
I'll try tonight if i have the same problem.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] blackjackEX:
Oh my god, before use the official samsung rom 4.4.2 normally reduce battery life, then use the 7.1.2 this rom i feel the battery life is power consumption :(
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Could you rephrase that. What do you mean by "battery life is power consumption"?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] blackjackEX:
i mean the battery goes down quickly
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Which gapps package did you use? How fast approximately from 100 to 0% are we talking about? Have you tried factory resetting?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
Same here, SLIM 6 gives error7.

CM11, CM12 and CM13 don't flash either, LOS 14.1 does.

Also strange, restoring a backup of SLIM 6 does work.

If you want to go back to SLIM 6 i hope you have a backup of it somewhere.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Error 7 usually means the ROM isn't for the device. Maybe the device code name isn't correctly set in TWRP or something

Could you try removing the first line of updater-script in /META-INF/com/google/android inside the zip and test if it works. If it works that's the problem.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] blackjackEX:
use the micro gapps package, turn off the wifi also negative
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Try with pico gapps (wipe cache, data, system and dalvik/art cache first)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zh_eco:
if your battery is very old (3-5 years old) then you should replace it . Li-on ,Li-po and most batteries lose their capacity over time .
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
That's not the case because it was fine in stock rom
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zh_eco:
indeed, stock ROM is much better when it comes to battery life to be honest.

I experienced that :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] severianxx:
hello guys!

it's perhaps a newbie question, could someone please explain to me - will NFC work on LineageOS 14.1 with our Ace3 or not ? i am not sure how to interpret the NFC bug on the list... it's one of the big drivers for me to upgrade to a custom ROM as on original 4.2.2 system for some reason nfc doesn't work with my bank, even though it's present (it says it needs at least 4.4 kitkat), i don't necesarily need nougat, it could be older version, i am just wondering if nfc will work

thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Sadly the NFC driver sources aren't released so it's impossible (or extremely difficult) to have it work on custom roms.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zh_eco:
NO NFC sources for good .

the availability of NFC sources will be a HUGE DISASTER as it will open a road of gold for hackers .

new flagships and mid-range smartphones use NFC for contactless payments (Android Pay) .
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] speron:
Problem with mobile datas and your last image

hello kotzir,

Thanks a lot for your work ... My galaxy ace 3 got a new life !!

Every thing is working !!!

But but ... I can't send mobile datas threw my provider ... I tried many configurations ... changed the card ... nothing

I tried your previous lineage 14.1 image of september ... nothing

IMHO, I think that mobile datas are not activated althougth It is displayed as activated in my android parameters ..

My Galaxy ACE 3 is a GT-S7275R

What could be wrong ??

Thanks a lot for your help !

Stéphane
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
With the last few updates off this ROM data doesn't always connect as it should.

Try flashing 20170520:

https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=817550096634770739
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] speron:
Kotzir,

Many thanks !!! It works like a charm ..waou ...

Is it normal that I can't click on the micro for writing sms with the voice ?

Cheers

Stéphane
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Tyranio:
Hello,

i was really happy to find support for LOS for the Galaxy ACE 3. Unfortunately mobile Data isn't working. I've read the whole thread so I clean flashed lineage-14.1-20170325 (no mirrors for 14.1-20170520). Mobil data was working. Then i dirty flashed the lineage-14.1-20171021. No mobil data again. Did i missed a step? I would be really happy if somebody has a solution.

Greetings!
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] zack martin123:
I had the same problem... I solved it by flashing the Resurrection Remix rom... just backup your data using titanium recovery and clean install it... or you could use LOS-14.1-2017.325 but don't update... might be a problem with the kernel or some other thing... Hope I could help
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jeff9891:
It worked for me. Perhaps a problem with your phone operator's settings ? Some require a bit of tinkering. They may have an app which will do it for you.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Ali Reza Muhammadi:
Mobile Data Problem

After the first day of installation, I can't turn on "Mobile Data"...I flashed CM13 again only for this problem...tell me if you have an answer, thanks.:)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
There's an answer to your question on the same page as your own post. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ShouLie:
Can you PRETTY PLEASE port that ROM for gt-s7272? Ace 3 LTE has even Oreo ROM but ace 3 Duos has only android lollipop and marshmallow ROMs. So please port that ROM for Ace 3 Duos gt-s7272. :(
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
[MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION] doesn't own the device so (s)he can't.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ShouLie:
I'm sure there are a lot of ace duos user that can test that rom for developer. Just we need someone who can actually port like that developer :eek:

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By the way, [MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION] doesn't have galaxy express either. But he has a ROM for that device. ?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Uumas:
Galaxy Express is practically the same device as gt-s7275r with bigger screen and battery.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] kotzir:
Initial build for Android Oreo Go Edition (8.1) is available for a while in case you haven't noticed it here
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] BarkyJ:
Got TWRP installed, rooted, installed 14.1 and Gapps, from my stock ROM. Started up OK, but its constantly crashing apps.

ChatON crashed, Samsung Push Services crashed, Hangouts crashed, just one after the other crashing before I even do anything on the phone.

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Rookie mistake - didnt wipe cache/data/dalvik etc. Assumed flashing a rom from stock would have nuked it, but seems not.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] jaqfr:
Thanks for your great job here!

Some observations:

lineage-14.1-20170520-UNOFFICIAL-loganreltexx.zip

seems to work just fine.

Would it be possible just to integrate recent security updates?

lineage-14.1-20171021-UNOFFICIAL-loganreltexx.zip

has a problem with mobile data! Data is OK on wifi, I could connect to LTE/3g network (in status bar), but no data passes.

And this not only for me!

lineage-15.1-20180202-UNOFFICIAL-loganreltexx.zip

Nice, but too beta for now. Enormous battery drain even in flight mode.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] nunopenim:
[MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION], I compiled a new update for the express with april patches.

I am with the finger on the trigger to launch the logan compilation, if you allow me. To keep logan users updated too :)
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Morfran:
Would be great to have this (assuming it's also fine for the Ace 3 S7275T). :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] nunopenim:
It should be the same as the builds [MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION] made. I have no way of testing if it is "suitable for human consumption" because I do not own this phone. Still waiting for kotzir's permission to post, as I do not want to get in trouble for, let's say, hijacking his thread [emoji23]
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] nunopenim:
Alright everyone,

UPDATE (kinda "old", but it is here)

Changelog

Android version updated to 7.1.2_r29
Security Patches updated to 05/04/2018

Download here

I do not own this device to test this update, flash at your own risk, and please report to me if it works fine :)

Should work on all the derivatives (R, B, T), just like kotzir builds.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Morfran:
Fair enough. I found it on androidfilehost and installed it anyway :)

As you say, seems to be just like kotzir's builds and is working fine on my S7275T with April 2018 security patches. The only issue I have is that I can't get mobile data to work. No idea why. Re-flashed stock and it's all fine but just doesn't connect when I'm in Lineage.

Might give kotzir's Oreo a try...
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] nunopenim:
Yes, I had it on Android File Host, but I forgot it was visible [emoji23] the express build is flawless. Everything works fine though, I cant think of what might be causing it
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] Lriche:
Wifi : eap-sim does not work

Thanks kotzir for your amazing work!

I managed to install LOS 14, and everything looks fine.

However there is one bug for me.

I use my wifi with the eap-sim connection method.

I can find the correct network, but my device does not connect. It says: "Une erreur d' authentification est survenue." (In French)

Has anyone managed to use the eap-sim method?

Is it a known bug?

How can help investigating this issue?
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] MJonXDA:
Hi Everybody. I Just managed to get my hands on a GT-S7275T in very good condition. I thought it would work every bit as well as my father's old GT-S7275R, and it does, but I have a problem. The ROMs used for both of these variants are for New Zealand, and so I had to use a foreign ROM kit that repaired the firmware (loganreltexx) so that I can finally flash custom recovery. But the firmware only worked for the R variant, and not the T variant, because of the .PIT file. Does anyone know how I could get my hands on the .PIT file for the GT-S7275T, and, if necessary, the firmware files for it? I'm at a loss, and have been digging everywhere. :(

Thanks for any assistance you can give me :)

This ROM is great. This R variant is loving it, and my Dad is rather impressed that he could even get this much functionality out of his old phone. Good work [MENTION=5344004]kotzir[/MENTION]
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] ROO3VER:
Firmwares can be found here, as you said yourself New Zealand and australia only.

https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-ace-3/GT-S7275T/

Good luck.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] MJonXDA:
I only need a .pit file. Figuring out whether or not to pay money for a firmware that doesn't include a .pit file isn't worth the time or effort. I don't need a Aus/NZ firmware. I said, that Aus/NZ firmwares for both GT-S7275R and GT-S7275T don't have the ability to flash CWM or TWRP recovery. Something about the bootloader being locked/inaccessible for that region.

I had to download a foreign firmware instead, in order to flash custom recovery. GT-S7275R has this recovery installed, but GT-S7275T does not use the same .pit file. Getting it from AUS/NZ Firmware, will not help, because they don't seem to contain one.

Thanks for trying, though.
[Samsung Galaxy Ace 3] MJonXDA:
Hi again,

I tried to use this pit file:

https://xdaforums.com/ace-3/development/file-pit-gt-s7275r-t3167889

And it didn't work when I tried it. I re-downloaded it last week and it worked O_o

I guess a bad .pit file? So now I have both of my Ace 3's (one is the T variant) unlocked, and reflashed, with the T variant being a tester. I would like to get away from CM13 if possible, but it's too stable at the moment, as everything works as it should. 14.1 and 15.1 seem to have at least one problem, so I am hoping more than anything, that its just bad luck on my downloading, than anything.

Again, thanks for trying. These two phones, as old as they are, are probably working better than they ever have, now.