yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Interesting, but, correct me if I'm wrong, can any of the said "fruit based lawyers" have a claim if I'm not using any registered trademark graphics logos, etc.??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bingoig11:
I don't think you'll have problems with that if no fruit logo appears in the soft.

On what could they base to pretend that this particular design is a fruit design?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] littld:
Don't believe it. Not having a fuity logo won't save you. They can claim all sorts of reasons why it looks exactly the same. They have a lot of money and patience to stop things that look like their products from appearing. P pod looked like a fruity mp3 player and it's off the radar altogether.

I think if the applications' behaviour is similar enough, or the standard look and feel is close enough, they can claim it was copied. You would never find out whether that would stand up in court because before that happened they'd hunt it down all over the Internet and you'd find lots of "this has been removed at the request of fruit lawyers" on websites everywhere.

I'm just afraid your time could end up wasted. I think it would be very prudent to allow people to apply their own backdrop / buutton images etc using a simple skin (the Media Player format is VERY simple) and you pretty much remove that risk. Plus you have the advantage of creating a much more flexible application. Some users might want their player to look more like a Zoon or whatever.

If you want to compete with other media players, you'll find most have skin support. Adding it later could be tedious programming-wise.

I'll leave it there, just a warning. Good luck with the rest of the coding, look forward to trying the next version.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bishopau:
Have a look at the new Meizu PMP being released.

Looks like an iPhone/iPod Touch in physical form as well as the software.

They haven't been stung (not yet).

They may chase likeness rights but in all seriousness, as long as you don't use any patented or trademarked logo/intellectual property you are fine.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] zer0day:
was just about to go to sleep when I saw this lol, works fine on ipaq rw6815 w/ WM5. Excellent work :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stpete111:
Ummm, if the 23 different Iphone skins and Slide2Unlock apps on this forum aren't garnering attention from Crapple lawyers, then Chad isn't going to get taken down if he has 3 icons in his media player that slightly resemble the Lamepod. Calm down people.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
Ok I Have A Great Idea

Hey lets make this a video and picture player too and the buttons hide and if you tap the screen or button it will show. and if you tap it again it will hide again.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cruzzmz:
keep up the good job thundershadow :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
The .NET version plays wmv's, but I like the idea of the interface. :) I'd just need the graphics to get it done :). I'm here battling with id3 libraries as we speak :).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
ok i will work on it this weekend just pm your email so can send it too you when i finsih. oh and what type of image format do you want. i was thinking of png but i am not to sure which would be a good image format to use.:confused:

thanks,
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mushipkw:
Chad, I Dont mind delay(although desperatly waiting for it, I know ur working) but plz atleast do provide us with update. What ru upto now?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
@Maiisoh

Well, I'm glad that that's been sorted out, sorry if I read into things incorrectly, but I guess it happens sometimes. Point is, I think we both understand each other now :).

As far as "working" for SBSH is concerned, although I do agree with being paid for the work, I do receive it's equivalent in good comments and encouragement on this forum. Yet, as I'm sure many of you would still prefer to 'handsomely' contribute otherwise, I'm in the process of getting a US paypal account up and running, allowing me to accept donations etc.

@ Everyone else:

As I write this, Visual Studio is open, and I'm coding; I'm still working on making the playlist function as quickly as it should, and attacking some annoying bugs here and there. I'm working VERY hard to get a release out ASAP, but as Maiisoh pointed out, giving expected dates doesn't usually work out. So, just wanted to let you know, that PM is nowhere near dead, and I'm working.

Working....working....working...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
glad to hear from you chad,

you take your time bro, o and will there be any beta releases to the beta testers?

good luck m8!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Yup, beta cycle first, and as usual, the quicker I hear from you guys the quicker everyone else gets it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stpete111:
Great to hear... thanks for the posts Chad!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bratag:
Dont worry about the people hassling you to hurry up and release something you are giving away for FREE!!!!!!

If they dont like they can go proverbial themselves. I await the beta patiently as always man and know that once again it will blow us away.

B.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] evanstchen:
Not compatible with SRS WOW HD?

Hi Chad,

Understand that you are probably still slogging away for the next release and just like to express my appreciation for your work.

Just a feature request if you ever have time for it - to modify your player to be compatible with the above posted @ http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1779128

SRS WOW is a software equaliser that works with most devices (ARM-based/compatibles). BUT it only works with the built-in WMP. Quite curious this; 3rd party players just won't pick up the effects.

Hope you can consider looking into this to make a truly wicked player!

Cheerio!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] snotboy32:
Hello everyone. I cancelled the order of my Ipod touch 8Gb due to unexpected expenses (Christmas) So I only have My Mio A701 pda.

Just to let you know that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
That is very usefull information.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] snotboy32:
That was a reply for one of my previous post. SO WHAT??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
dude, that was like one month ago,

o and im not telling you what to do, i just find it very funny someone suddenly posting here about cancelling his ipod

you post whatever you want, i will too

cheers!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] snotboy32:
I just thought of it today,that´s all... I cancelled it 3 days after I made that order. Anyway we should be sitting here talking about pocketmelody, I agree.

Im done. sorry for being upset...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
haha, no its ok mate, i understand you being excited about ipod touch, ive seen it! chad should actually have one so he could feel it and try to put the 'touch' of the touch in PM
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] justcruising:
help

Can someone tell me how to upload imiges to my posts?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
well quite off-topic again, but you have to
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
browser theme

Still in working progress. Here it is.:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
wow shiiiiiit i love it!!

how will the pressed icon be?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
how the artist looks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stpete111:
Very nice... I like it!

Aih1977,

I know this is off-topic, and it's just a very quick question and then we go right back to PocketMelody topic... how do you like Dutty's DualTouch Rom? I've been wanting to install it but want to get some testimonials from other ATT Tilt owners first. :) Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Update:

Finish doing all the coding to make the "browser" screenshot you saw above, function! Waiting on aih1977 to send over the graphics so I can make it all actually work!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] whysolate:
what screenshot? where where??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Right here:

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=64644&d=1199571306

60+ pages, this is getting ridiculous. 0.4 Will usher in a new thread no?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] whysolate:
Oh..this...yeah...probably better off with new thread...can't wait for dah release :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Another update:

What I'm doing while I wait on the new graphics? Well, I just compiled PocketHal into PM, so I can play around with some interesting things, preparing for the good stuff ;).

I wouldn't expect anything from PocketHal in the very near future in PM, but I'm just letting you know, that the time for it's integration has occurred :).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maiisoh:
Chad,

New thread for 0.4 is the way to go. Good job on your updates. Keep up the good work.

Rick
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] splkia:
this pocket melody is really taking off can't wait for the 0.4 release.

I gotta say i admire and appreciate the work that you and your tester are doing
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cruzzmz:
0.4 .... itchy, itchy fingers :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
I am using schraps rom right now but i have used duttys rom and he does great work and schraps so its hard to decide on what rom to use but duttys is good. i was thinking going back but not right now.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jatt_inder:
what is PocketHal???:eek:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
Update Browser Theme

Still working on but before i go to bed here is a sneak peak.:D

where the song are i have added arrows if it is pointing to the right that means to add the song to playlist and if it is pointing left that means it in the playlist and you can remove it if you press it.

thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mushipkw:
PocketHal will be used for the coverflow animation in PM, its like flash in the VB version.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] justcruising:
hi

An how do you like this one?

View attachment 64759
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
Standard Theme

its ok.:) i am working on a standard and thundershadow is going to make the app so you can change the skin how ever you want. So sorry guys who ever is making skins for it dont bother until thudershshadow finish the app so you know what to change and how to change it. Anyway i am going to do one theme solid black, second theme solid white, and he third theme transparent. Also the look is going to be the same on all the themes. As of right now this is what i was thinking. Now i just have to get thundershadow on board. Plus i dont know how thundershadow is going to make the skin to read but i think we should make it a zip file like pocketcm does for his themes. Anyway back to working on the themes. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stpete111:
Awesome, this is great! This is starting to look like an amazing app!

Thanks for the reply on the rom by the way.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] KyleK29:
Anybody ever step forward with the website?

I chucked this together within the last hour since I had some free time.

http://www.kaelmedia.com/work/pocketmelody/preview.jpg
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
WHICH ONE?

which setup do you guys like? the one with the tabs on top which you can scroll with. are the second one that has icons on the buttom.:confused:

thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] charm1718:
Tabs on top seem better because they're bigger, just in case someone has fat fingers. the 2nd has 7 icons on the bottom that makes me think you would have an easier chance of tapping the wrong one.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aragorn21:
I, personnaly, prefer with the tabs, but you should change the font, so that we can read Playlist, Artist and Album in complete, and maybe gain some space...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cruzzmz:
i prefer the 2nd one ... even though a lill bit crowded
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] supbro:
What about a cleaner interface with a deeper menu like... dare I say it... an ipod? :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] E_Shinobi:
I'm excited to see the coverflo when it's ready and the skinning approaches look very pleasing so far.

keep on the good work everybody.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mushipkw:
I liked the second one.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mushipkw:
PictureFlow on Windows Mobile http://youtube.com/watch?v=-zy5pWcBAaQ

Source code etc can be found here
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] appelton:
Exactly !! Please add pictureflow !
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cAnArdtichAud:
I agree w/ Aragorn and i'd say more : whatever solution is chosen, space gain on screen should be prefered.. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] perasite:
I like the second one, and that website mockup is beautiful!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
chad already knows about this pictureflow,

but he said he will work with pockethal to make some sort of coverflow;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tomazez:
i prefer the second one,

the first one is a little bit crowdy
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] s173nc3r:
clean and minimalistic - i like it very much! :o

i am lookin fwd to v0.4 - it will be my second xmas :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
PictureFlow:

I was just thinking, although PictureFlow was written in QT, it looks like it spits out a regular win32 binary exe, meaning you don't need any runtimes etc. If this is true, once I get the permission, I should be able to use the picture flow code in PocketMelody as a base. But I'm not sure if I Can use QT/WINCE in a project, even if it's free. I'll have to be careful with how I'm going about this, don't want to step on anyone's toes.

At the very least though, it can't hurt, if I can get the source, I'm pretty confident it will give me an IDEA as to how do implement it in the win32 environment, since I've done a lot of QT code for Linux systems in the past.

In short, there's more than just HOPE for coverflo in PocketMelody.

Update:

I'm just here waiting for the graphics for the "browser" to be finalized, and approved by everyone here. Let's not forget though guys, we are working on making it skinnable, so if there are little tweaks you'd prefer to see otherwise, skinning will open the door for easy fixes by ANYONE for that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
Browser Theme

i am going to clean up the tabs for the first one and show just icons and if you press the icon it will show icon and text on the tab. Also the second theme, i was thinking if you put your finger over the icon it will pop up and grow large so you know which one you are picking so for you big finger people dont worry i was thinking about you guys.;):D

i did it really fast last night those screenshots are just a really really rough draft b/c i was up until 2:00 am and was bored so i did real fast photoshop to see how it would look with different layouts. also i was trying to keep everything on one page so you dont have to go back and forth all the time. those themes wont be added for a while b/c i just got really busy at work and have to work nights and weekends. So the first theme that i have done a few posts back will have to do for now.:(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] motisu:
Hi Chad,

Just a little reminder of my feature request of remembering where the file was stopped/paused to make PM usable also as an audiobook player.

Thanks:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jatt_inder:
i prefer the 2nd one ..looks nicers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] greencat2:
I would 2nd the request. The work you have done is great. Bookmarking is only found in a few audio players but it makes a huge difference in audio books or blogs. Some players allow the creation of mulitple bookmarks and some allow just a resume after the unit is paused and the program closed. Just the resume would work for me.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
New Layout

ok i was just playing around.:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Update:

Hey guys, looks like I've got the graphics to work with now, to get the browser up and running. I didn't get a chance to work on PM today, but I'll get to work with the browser graphics tomorrow.

What I did get to do?

Well, I did get to make myself a bit more familiar (from a developers point of view) with the whole QT/WINCE business, and it looks as if several other developers have used it to build support for coverflow in some other mp3 players. What's more exciting, is that QT/WINCE builds RIGHT INTO Visual studio! And as mentioned before uses regular C/C++. Now, this means in theory (I'm still building QT as I type this) that with a few include lines, I should be able to build QT stuff right into any existing C/C++ application in visual studio, or specifically in our case pocket melody.

Now, I'm speaking theoretically here, since like I said I'm still building it, but I'll be playing around with it for the balance of the evening, since I believe if it works, it will be a priceless addition to the development of pocketmelody.

I'll post another update on this before I head off to bed.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] steackbrit:
Hi there, great news!

I've actually started looking into .net applications for WM6, and would like o see what I can do with the picture flow code; would you be so kind as to post your compiled file (dll? exe?) in this thread?

Thanks a lot!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Nameless[PL]:
I have a question:

Will next version work on WM2003? :confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
I will be posting an exe for you guys to test, but in terms of you using it in your .NET applications, unless you intend to use the .NET framework using C++, I don't think you'll be able to use the pictureflow code, or build anything around the dll's. I'll post what I come up with though :).

@Nameless[PL]

As PM becomes more advanced WM2003 support will have to be faded out. I just had to DL the WM6 SDK to get QT/WINCE working properly as a dev environment, and I don't know if the compiled executables will work. Up until this point I've been using the WM2003 SDK for melody, but now things are beginning to change a bit.

For now, WM2003 users are PROBABLY looking at a PM that works well minus coverflow.

Going to play around a bit more with QT/WINCE then I'll get to work with those graphics.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] justcruising:
playlist

Hi aih1977

And what about doing it like this, if you press the back to my music button, it should go back to the screen where you can choose from: playlist, album, artist, ect..

this way you don't have to use small icons, and the player will still be usable easily with your fingers

so how do you like it?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] justcruising:
playlist

and here is the picture:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
if you look at my post locate here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1791337&postcount=611

you can see I have almost the same setup. that is what is being use as of right now. the other is just some ideas i have and i am still working on nicer look and feel to it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sketchy9:
thundershadow, is 0.4 going to have .wma support? Mp3s are nice, but I know a lot of people (including me) who only have .wmas. THanks,

-R
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Ok guys, I DESPERATELY need some direction from you guys. If you haven't seen my latest compilation of pictureflow for windows mobile devices, check it out here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=358049

The big question for me now, is if I should compile pocketmelody under QT/WINCE. The pictureflow shows how powerful QT is, and the designer will help me A LOT with creating releases more rapidly. It still uses C/C++ so a lot of the code will be completely reusable, and I think it will REALLY benefit us all in the long run. Please tell me what you guys think about this, if not, then I'll have to build the coverflow feature of PM as almost a separate application, which will affect performance.

Your views will change the course of PM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bingoig11:
Oh yes integrate the PF in PM, it would be so great!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stpete111:
Yup, another vote for QT/WINCE here!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] appelton:
definite Yes !!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maiisoh:
Chad,

Go for it!!!! The picture flow concept would go great with your PocketMelody. Anyway, any performance boost is a plus.

Rick
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jatt_inder:
vote for QT/WINCE
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aih1977:
DITTO!!!!!!!!!:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] thundershadow14:
Great!

Ok, it looks like I've got overwhelming support for QT/WINCE. Here's what I intend to do. Like I said before, I haven't touched QT in some time, so I'll need to re-familiarize myself with it again. I'm going to get something to eat, and when I come back, I'll work on chalking up a quick image viewer using PF as the base. It'll basically scan your "my picture" folder for images, display them in the PF ribbon, and when you click on the pic, it'll full screen it. Tap again, and it'll bring you back to the ribbon.

Simple enough to get my hands dirty with QT, before I port over my existing PM code. Oh, and it'll support jpegs ;).

Going to fuel up and get back :).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bedoig:
You are simply amazing. Keep up the great work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bingoig11:
An idea but maybe you already plan it:

When you launch PM, the PF part scans a directory where we put our music (for example Storage Card\Music\ ) and in child folders ( Storage Card\Music\Artist\Album). In each of these folders (Albums) each of us has put the cover of the album). Then once we choosed the cover (with the PF display method and browsing), the covers flips and displays the playlist (so songs that are in the same directory). And finally we can launch the music with the cover display while playing.

The starting folder could be defined during the first launch of PM and could be modified for example in a preference menu.

Maybe it is a little to complicated?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] shandar:
Pleeeeaaase make PocketMelody read the embedded album art (for mp3s at least). Pretty please?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] manaaa:
QT/WinCE!!!11

:D