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[Nexus 6  General] rebel1699:
While I understand, the fact remains. Pressing the thanks button is one thing. Change is another. We can thank each others post till the end of time, yet it is essentially hollow without the change itself. A thanks didn't, nor will it make this a by invite forum. It does not stop the beggars. And it won't deter the script kiddies or zip wizards. I get it. I rather see people learn to sync, build something of their own and maintain authorship as well. My point is not to defend them. My point is, it is still rampant. I see alot of rants, but little action. Where is the action? The reality of it is, those that thanked the post do agree with it, and wish it could still be that way. But the benefits and leverage that over 100 million user affords you, im afraid, far outweigh the latter. That is not a knock on xda and its respective owners. It is the reality of today. Once that size of base is accomplished, it would be foolish to let it go, and we both know it won't be happening. It provides too many good things. If the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, just deal with the drawbacks and enjoy the benefits. Separating the two is virtually impossible.
[Nexus 6  General] sgloki77:
Google is just waiting out for october to pass without the N update, so they can then drop official support for shamu, lol at people waiting for N, the name of the game now is pixel
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Source reference...?
[Nexus 6  General] rebel1699:
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705#nexus_devices

It is true that the official eol for shamu is Oct, 2016. But I still think that we will see official N. Maybe, lol. The only thing that makes me question it is I see no "2 updates guarantee" anywhere. Hopefully, we will know more on the 4th.

Edit: Since 7.0 was officially released within the eol period of shamu, I would assume we will see it. The way I see it, if they fix the radio firmware like it should have long ago, the wait is worth it.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Given that Google have stated repeatedly that they will provide a Nougat final for the N6, I simply don't see why people are continuing to waste bandwidth on saying the opposite. Timewasters.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Yeah but the days of forum based sites are slowly dieing. The thanks button... Yeah well that didn't turn out as expected and now is pretty useless. Most don't even pay attention to it anymore.

If less then 2% of the users learn to do things on their own then the benefits are not really there.

Once Google finishes locking down android to the point that things like root and custom roms die out I think we will see many users leave.
[Nexus 6  General] rebel1699:
I only mentioned the thanks button as a reply to your reference to who hit it in that post you mentioned. But I agree it does not serve the purpose it should. I'm a good example in this. Im really nobody of any consequence, but am well over 1000, lol. Doubt I deserved nearly that many, to be perfectly honest.

I completely agree that forum based sites are slowly dieing. The game always evolves. But until then, forum owners will milk the model for what they can, good, bad or indifferent. Can't blame them a bit. And you are likely right about googles eventual lockdown thinning the herd. I guess from a business standpoint, it is an eventuality. But until they shut the lights and lock the doors, ill be drinking from the keg and eating their snacks. Sometimes, I even show up with my own bottle :) Enjoyed the conversation, and have a good one, zelendel.

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[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
Swappa is the most reliable place to sell devices. Tried and tested. Even had a guy sell me a stolen phone but swappa jumped in and sorted everything out.
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
hopefully tomorrow we will get either official 7.0 or 7.1 preview images, i would be happy with 7.1 preview images to be honest because that would mean we will get 7.1 too

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Android Marshmallow was a big release on October 2015, and nexus 5 support ended in October 2015, yet it still got it, so there's no reason why we won't get android 7.1 unless Google is just ****ing with us
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
There is a huge reason the whole nexus line might not see 7.1. That is due to the partition layout setup. And seamless updates which be coming in the pixel which will have 7.1 by default. Meaning that all the code for the 2 mentioned options will be a huge part of the os.

They could also just say screw it that anyone that wants 7.1 will have to do a complete repartition to get it.

We will have to wait and see.
[Nexus 6  General] biglil1:
I think I know what you mean but could you please clarify. You're talking about the way data and system partition is setup and/or interacts with each other; right?
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Yes as there will be 2 of every partition on the device (or at least 4). How they I tract with each other will have to be baked into the main os. At least that is the way I see it being and have been agreed with by a few others.

Only time will tell
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Can't a new bootloader change the partition table of a device? I remember when I was last flashing a bootloader with fastboot, there was a line about taking longer to flash if the partition table has changed. Might be wrong though.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
It can but it requires formatting the partition to do it. That is just the setup for the new partitions.
[Nexus 6  General] biglil1:
So if one knew what they were doing could you just reformat the partitions then flash the new OS seems that it's a code thing not hardware? Or it's both for us hence the delay.

I'm lost again; lol!
[Nexus 6  General] rebel1699:
If I am thinking correctly, all required would be present in the bootloader that ships with the newest image. It would contain the new partition instructions its updated fastboot would need to format and flash appropriately. If it is as zelendel says it could be and does come for Nexus devices, they wouldn't leave you to repartition manually.
[Nexus 6  General] biglil1:
Would that be adb format ... or is there something more advanced in order to reparation manually?
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
http://www.androidenea.com/2009/06/android-boot-process-from-power-on.html

Good story about the Android boot process.

Answer for the questions in this thread.
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
Actually the point you made about nexus line not getting 7.1 is wrong as even 7.0 supports seamless updates for supported devices which will only be the pixel devices, I'm optimistic that we'll see 7.1 factory images tomorrow
[Nexus 6  General] rebel1699:
Well, I would highly doubt adb. You could have adb connection in a custom recovery, but still doubtful a method would take that route. If partitions had to be created and formatted manually, that would most likely mean an os requiring it wouldnt have been officialy released for that device in the first place. It would then become a porting situation. And how devs would accomplish that, if they chose to take it on, would be up to them. But if an os requiring the partition changes were officially released to a nexus device, everything you would need for the creation/formatting/installation of/to those partitions would be included in the downloaded image. No manual operation would really be necessary.
[Nexus 6  General] Sachin:
Look at this => A google employee confirmed that shamu aka Nexus 6 will be getting Nougat*

SOURCE
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1213DJ/

Update delay?

EU stops anti-competitive policy of Google.
[Nexus 6  General] biglil1:
For anyone getting on error from this link remove the " at the end.

The EU been at this for 5 years now; crazy! Up until now I thought that got put to rest. They got a hard on for Google!
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
That was my thread lol I sure hope it's soon though, the shamu was left out of the loop with no explanation.
[Nexus 6  General] Sachin:
Whoah, nice! :D
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Well That is not true. As the pixel will not get 7.0 but will come with 7.1 stock.
[Nexus 6  General] holeindalip:
It's already been stated that only the new Nexus aka pixel phones would be getting the seamless updates not the older devices due to the exact reasoning you guys explained
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Yes we know this. The question is what that will mean for the source code. Will google keep 2 forks? This will not mean much for those that only deal with official updates. But for those that will be using and updating the device for a few more years. It means alot.
[Nexus 6  General] holeindalip:
Understood, but why the need for two forks when it just writes to both partitions, and when updated the update would write too partition #2, after booted, writes too partition #1......

Easily setup based on model# of phone blah blah blah
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Because the code for the os would need to be added to accept this happening. Which includes the kernel source code.

This would not be an issue if the only devices they had to worry about was the ones that used it, but the 6p will be officially supported for another year as well as the 5x. Think of it like multirom. As that is basically what it is.
[Nexus 6  General] holeindalip:
Lol read my last line again

The code is already there for all phones but it only gets used based on the model#. Generically speaking of course
[Nexus 6  General] jmartin72:
I really hope you're right, but we should see security updates today. I don't see them pushing security updates one day, and version updates the next. I would like to see everything today.
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
im sure after pixel phones are released, guys here at xda will work their magic and give us a tutorial to repartition our phones if we want seamless updates, its all about repartitioning the phones, new pixels will already have two partitions for that purpose
[Nexus 6  General] sdowie76:
Looks like our Oct. security update has been posted to the factory image page - MOB31H.
[Nexus 6  General] spine6:
Oct security update up but no nougat :(
[Nexus 6  General] wavedashdoc:
Seriously Google, congrats on continuing to fail your Nexus fan base.
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
Giving October security patches less than a day before they announce 7.1 makes me real sad and passimtic, we are probably not gonna get android 7.0 or 7.1 officially but preview maintaince images of 7.1
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
I think that it is time to face the fact that the N6 won't be getting android 7. Android 6 is the end of the line for the N6.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Source reference? No source, then it's just making noise.
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
No source or reference. Just my opinion, why giving a oct security update instead of nougat.

And its been 6 weeks since nougat was introduced. I dont believe the rumours about problems with the rom any more.
[Nexus 6  General] cell2011:
We might get 7.1 or after the Pixel phones are out we will have 7.1 Roms I'm sure
[Nexus 6  General] matrixx1:
Probably there wont be official android n for our phones but there is definately not going to be an official 7.1. As google posted MM october security patch, and no nougat and our phone is at the end of its life cycle, I am pretty sure there aint gonna be any updates more. Just as they did with previous phones which received the beta soft, but at the end they didnt relese the final rom. Fortunately we will be able to download the new roms from here, but there is not gona be the official rom, but from aosp which is still pretty good
[Nexus 6  General] Lawstorant:
Mate. We will definitely get 7.0. The amount of outrage and distrust Google could face after abandoning shamu would be monstrous. Not the best marketing few days before Pixel phones launch.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
I fail to see how anyone can think that Google will leave (tens of?) thousands of N6 devices running DP5. Since they seem to be taking security seriously with their monthly patches, to me it's inconceivable that any devices will be left on beta software.
[Nexus 6  General] bodi524:
They can leave it at DP5 because that's not official. They are providing the security updates to official MM version. If you want to run the DP5 with outdated security that's your own risk. Google could and might(I hope not) leave is with MM.
[Nexus 6  General] matrixx1:
I think google realy doesnt give **** about N6 users. Its a 32bit phone, its old and obsolete. Funny thing is I bought nexus phone preciseley because of the updates and long life cycle. Google just ****ed us as all the other phone producers like samsung does its customers. Its really sad because till now I belived in google, that they dont **** you over, but after this at least I'll know that if i buy a google phone again i can count only for 12 months update for sure and the rest depends on luck and the mood of google. Really disappointing. But as I sad at least its a nexus phone there are going to be new rom releases here in xda. But dont count on any from google anymore. I waited long for official update for my phone but last week I realised it wont happen so i just installed nutty rom, which is also fine. Works great with MM radio
[Nexus 6  General] TokedUp:
Can someone link me the way to roll back to latest MM build from NDP5? I'd like to run a stable version with latest securtiy rather than a beta which will never be updated
[Nexus 6  General] JonesL:
Nexus 6 isn't end of life until next October, N will come out for the Nexus 6, Google have already stated this.
[Nexus 6  General] Trina9:
I called Google today and was told that it would be released this month. Don't know if I believe them but they told me to call back next month if it doesn't get it.
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Thanks for doing that, I've been meaning to and never did.
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
And you believed them? I only believe Google saying we will get Nougat when i see the factory image on the download page, until then i stick to not getting nougat. Companies say a lot to keep people happy.
[Nexus 6  General] Trina9:
Totally true, since I don't think that the rep spoke enough English to communicate. But you never know...

I'm actually more waiting for Pure Nexus Nougat...
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
"Thanks for doing that."

Yes, seconded. At last some concrete information instead of pointless uninformed opinion. Still not holding my breath... :)
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
The last time I called and asked about Nougat for the Nexus 6 (a long time ago, the day it was released on the 6P and others) all they told me was that it was released today and my Nexus 6 should be getting the ota soon. Which as we all know wasn't even remotely true. They don't seem to know honestly.
[Nexus 6  General] gothy.gothy:
MOB31H ... for sure the H is for ... HOPE
[Nexus 6  General] aroy97:
Go to the Nexus 6P and 5X portion of XDA, you'll see a multitude of people complaining about Nougat, whether it be battery problems or just performance. Have faith that Google is working on these problems so us N6 users won't have it.

After all, its only a phone, not the end of the world
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
I have no doubt they worked on the nougat build for shamu. I believe they just screwed it up. And pushed it to the back burner for now having prioritized a new product launch.

It's a shame because disappointed previously loyal customers are like *****y exes. Until you can deliver on promises to current customers, you should not reallocate resources toward new products and customers.

Many of the posters on XDA are opinion influencers. We are the ones who prosletyzed about the pure android platform. Making us feel left behind prematurely will certainly turn many of us brand and platform agnostic.

Try the pixel strategy in a world where the press is already anti-android and you lose faithful believers as well. Let's see how that works out, geniuses.

Without XDA I would be mad beyond words. I am running an unofficial N ROM but we don't necessarily have all the optimized drivers and vendor blobs. It is what it is. We should have had timely os version updates across the product line not a half baked deployment effort.
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
I know its only a phone, and it works fine with MM. I don't mind waiting for something but it would be good if Google just came with a statement that the N6 will get Nougat but that there is a delay due to some unforeseen problems.

Even without a phone live is still worth living :)
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
Obviously.

I seriously doubt that.

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6P was recalled too. If you asked about it on 22nd August, they would have told you it was out. And it was for a handful of beta enrolled people but then they recalled it.
[Nexus 6  General] butterbeanmash:
Nougat has arrived in the UK. This is an 858mb update from dp5. Downloading now...
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Source reference? Honestly, it's like pulling teeth... Until I see it I don't believe it. Surely this person isn't risking bringing down the wrath of all Xda by trolling...?

Edit:

And immediately I unreservedly apologise to butterbeanmash - and thank you.

I've just tried the system update prompt for probably the 500th time and it's actually there. Hallelujah. At last.

Thank you, butterbeanmash - I appreciate the heads-up.
[Nexus 6  General] ryuben2k:
same here,my nexus 6 enrolled in beta. i was checking with updates and all of the sudden it update
[Nexus 6  General] butterbeanmash:
System info (sorry about Twilight)
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/shamu-ota-nbd90z-78a931cb.zip
[Nexus 6  General] AstroDigital:
The size of it is kind of a shock, going from Beta to the released version myself now (Canada)
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/shamu-nbd90z-factory-92e7bb05.zip
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
No longer loyal to Google.

Will not buy a new "Google phone".
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
Wait for it...
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
Let the complaining about battery life and performance commence...
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
:D :D :D
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
well i believe it because i did see the factory image on the download page.
[Nexus 6  General] Trina9:
People gotta complain about something.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Just downloaded the OTA, and unlike other OTAs recently it stalled on TWRP - it just keeps rebooting into TWRP and I have no idea where the OTA is stored. No matter. I have backups (lots of them) and I can sideload the image when I can be bothered to get round to it. After six weeks another few hours make no difference... :)
[Nexus 6  General] jj14:
Is systemless rooting the same as with Marshmallow? flash supersu in twrp? Or does N require a different process? (I know that for the new devices with dual partitions, root is expected to be complicated)

Edit: Thanks for the confirmation [MENTION=6161558]dahawthorne[/MENTION] - worked just fine
[Nexus 6  General] veesix:
Gentlemen... Nougat is out!

Inviato dal mio Nexus 6 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Blimey! A full 15 minutes without comments... :)

A quick sideload worked fine. NBD90Z finally(!) running.

I'll be happy with that for the moment. I don't expect to get Oreo (what else can an American company possibly be expected to call it?), but as long as I get security updates for a while I'm golden.
[Nexus 6  General] peekie:
Well it's finally out , downloading the ota now , finally :)
[Nexus 6  General] Paul Moses:
Has anyone found major changes in the release? Why is it 858mb
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
I've just done exactly that. TWRP & SuperSU 2.78 work perfectly.

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It's probably a full refresh of the ROM rather than the small changes that we've had in the previews. On first appearance it seems to work fine.
[Nexus 6  General] jj14:
Thanks. I got impatient and tried it out in the meantime - worked :)
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Full factory image has been posted! Gonna go flash it now!
[Nexus 6  General] gothy.gothy:
Is titanium working?

Thanks
[Nexus 6  General] FCORivers:
Lol
[Nexus 6  General] jmartin72:
I just finished setting up my phone after doing a clean flash of the October security update for 6.0.1, and then the message came up that said the 7.0 OTA was available. What do ya know.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
I don't use TBu for backing up my apps any more, since Google servers do a pretty good job of restoring my data when I do a full wipe. I use it to freeze unwanted bloatware, and it continues to do that very well. Given that TBu have had five months to prepare with the previews, it's pretty well unimaginable that they haven't made it ready for Nougat final. Go for it... :)
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
There you go ladies, (literally) now it's time for you guys to find something else to cry about.

#wenevergonnagetn

#boohooimsooutraged

#nougatisaconspiracy

So funny you guys spent so many months talking about how it wasn't coming.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Second that, bro... :)
[Nexus 6  General] mixedguy:
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes, I saw the sign!

Life is demanding without understanding

I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes, I saw the sign!

#7.0updateishere
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
Now let's start a thread for Android 7.1
[Nexus 6  General] wavedashdoc:
I would hope that Google would provide a reason for this long of a delay. They've handled this release so poorly (and I think they know it) after such a tight release schedule with the developer previews. I know I'm thankful that tommorow I'll see the Pixel announcement (hopefully 7.1 MR1) with optimism like all previous google/android announcements from over the years.

One good thing that came out of this. Developers came out of nowhere and showed support to Shamu. There was excitement and some annoyance as each dev brought their skills to the table to keep Shamu afloat for those eager to jump ship.

So thank you to the many devs who brought out their A games to keep the XDA community of "edge-of-their-seat-about-to-fall-out" enthusiasts at bay.
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
You spent just as much time commenting in here as well! Same use of time.

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Yea why the hell haven't we got that yet! xD I'll bet you money that is coming next, just watch haha
[Nexus 6  General] holeindalip:
What did I tell you, you guys would be in here bickering while the factory images are posted
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
This does nothing to discredit my previous post as it references nothing to amount of time spent doing anything.
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
"So funny you guys spent so many months talking about how it wasn't coming."

Months isn't a measurement of time?
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
I think a mod can close this thread now? I can't see that there's any more to say now that the final Nougat has been provided?
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Alright, agreed.
[Nexus 6  General] MysticKing32:
It's here!!!! Just got the notification
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
After such a wait we finally got it! I'm as excited as you are! [emoji14]
[Nexus 6  General] Ute1850:
Google trolled us... They just posted 7.0 for Shame on the developer page!
[Nexus 6  General] teinwhite:
This thread totally delivered! [emoji12]
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
Is there anything different? Or is it just DP5 with October security patches?
[Nexus 6  General] stevemw:
Downloading Android 7.0 OTA now (858.6 MB) .
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Hard to say it right now, it seems solid to me so far, but time will tell!
[Nexus 6  General] holeindalip:
Time itself is a measurement
[Nexus 6  General] debido666:
Just received.
[Nexus 6  General] Dusty Rhodes:
Just got a notification to update to 7! Woop Woop!
[Nexus 6  General] jameseelin:
Downloading now :)