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[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
Mostly agree, HOWEVER, its probably a bit of a stretch to say that "most" have been hacking phones since before Android. There really wasn't much worth bothering with before Android, plus, most peoples interests change over the years. Android is 8 years old now, which is getting up there into the top of most people's attention span. While I'm sure that there are a number of those old timers around here and there, I think they're in a minority.

And remember that phone hacking pre-android was very different than the Android work. Having access to source code is an enormous distinction that makes the process work completely differently.

And this isn't to suggest that I'm arguing against you here, I'm really not interested in taking sides on this particular issue.

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Empathy is for wimps.
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
Only people with lots of empathy have that knowledge.... ?
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Understand that when I say developers I mean the real developers. Not these win zip wizards or script kiddies. There are very few real developers left. Fewer each day. You would be amazed at how many of the old devs are in the background working privately with other devs. They just see the way xda is going and dont want any part of it.

I am fully aware of how long android has been around. I was hacking mobile device before most even knew what a cell phone was. We are talking pre moto razor.

Yes it does but as we are seeing Google is tightening the reigns on Android. Not pushing fixes to aosp source, making root almost impossible with the new setup and using closed sourced apps to replace the open source ones.
[Nexus 6  General] TokedUp:
Well this thread has become a Great job guys!
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
This thread was doomed from post #1...
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
A month from the official launch... All other eligible devices besides shamu and volantisg have 2-3 builds already. Not sure why it is taking this long given that we had 5 previews. If it is just an extended rollout strategy - this is too long. Could be something else like drivers/blobs etc.

Just to be clear, yup this is an "Are we there yet?" post. And yes, this is a thread where people vent about not having the nougat builds to play with on our devices. It is posted in the general section and has nothing to do with development. Those who do not appreciate posters like me who are wondering what the heck happened with nougat for shamu are welcome NOT to respond, school anyone or pass judgement.

And yes, I am an entitled crotchety old man.
[Nexus 6  General] kc2kzz:
I blame Google for this thread LOL
[Nexus 6  General] sdowie76:
I agree that a month delay is to long, especially when all the other eligible devices have been updated. There has been lots of speculation on why we still don't have our update, but there is one reason why that I haven't seen mentioned.

Unlike the 5X and 6P, the 6 was sold through carriers. I'm sure that adds a lot of "overhead" when trying to release a update.

In short, I blame Verizon. :)

**Sarcasm Alert**

Google blew this update! I quit! I'm going back to WebOS!
[Nexus 6  General] TonikJDK:
From one crotchety old man to another, well said. All of it.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
The thing that pi$$es me off is that I own the most expensive phone that Google have ever sold and yet it's being treated as second class. As mentioned, other devices have had not one but two updates of the final release, and yet I wait for over four weeks...? Unacceptable. Get the finger out.
[Nexus 6  General] Scoobyracing03:
This phone is almost 2 years old, just like every other almost 2 year old device near it's end of life for support updates get slower. Sad nobody understands this. This is the first time a nexus device got the new OS before the new hardware was even launched, so until the new hardware is officially launched I'm ok with waiting, besides I wasn't expecting an official 7.0 until October anyways and well October 4th we will see the new Pixel/Nexus devices then we should see a final for the N6 after that.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
A whole two years old...? And obsolete already? Seriously? No, not a reasonable proposition. I expect a device costing so much (or any device for that matter) to last a lot longer than that, and common decency should tell Google ("don't be evil") that they should respect owners who paid so much.

(Edit: "it's" always, always means "it is" or "it has", it never ever indicates possession. So "it is end of life support" or "it has end of life support" makes no sense. "its end of life support" does. One of my personal bugbears. Rant mode off.)
[Nexus 6  General] holeindalip:
It was obsolete as soon as it was released,thats the nature of the beast when it comes to electronics
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
"It was obsolete as soon as it was released"

And that attitude is why Google think that they can get away with it.

If my N6 breaks in the next several years I'll be chasing for a replacement or comparable restitution. We don't need to put up with this built-in obsolescence cr@p.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Have not been around for long huh? This is nothing new with any oem. Heck even the carriers EOL their devices after 6 months. Devices that cost this much is also nothing new.
[Nexus 6  General] adm1jtg:
**** cough cough cough**** Samsung Vibrant **** cough cough cough***
[Nexus 6  General] debido666:
Guess iPhone users aren't the only suckers. Remember when it was just a phone, for phone's sake? I don't even talk to people anymore on mine. It's a tiny computer, that tries to track everything you do, under the guise of "free". So and so OS number not out nows for bragging rights? Why not now? It makes me feel incomplete, $$$ spent. Darn. Blah blah blah.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Ok so not that long at all.

There was a time when devices never got an update outside of time bombed leaks from the oem. Those devices were just as expensive.
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
In my experience after 2 years the battery has degraded so much that it is time for a new device anyway, regardless if the hardware is still up to the task or not.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
Here ya go for all the people being bawl ass little girls about no official updates.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-7.0-Nougat-update-permanently-damages-some-Nexus-5X-devices_id85684

Would you rather wait an extra few weeks/months? Or have this happen to you ?
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
I expect the morons in the android team to actually deliver on their deadlines otherwise be fired. Let's see who will cry like little girls then. The fact that they had a year, 5 previews, an entire dev community cleaning up sh%t for them and still managed to screw it up so as to fry some nexus 5x's and not yet roll out the updates for 2 devices is also probable cause for ordering forceful mass lobotomies at the android campus.

Every promise creates an expectation. If you can then not deliver, you should expect some negative consequences.

This was the most expensive android phone at launch and it then saw an astonishing collapse in value over the past 2 years. If you don't get the value of money, that's on you. Calling those of us mad at extended delays bawl ass little girls is an idiotic and immature statement.

Neither frying phones nor extended delays should be acceptable. If the clowns at Google expect people like me to plonk wads down for an ugly pixel at the ridiculous prices they are expecting after a 2 year eol plan on a nexus (meanwhile an iPhone has what? 4 years?), boy will they be left with loaaaads of inventory.
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
Oh, the Pixel phones will fix this easily. :D
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
You really must be new. Oem and software developers have been missing promised deadlines for decades. It is the nature of the beast. There was and may again soon be a time where you buy the device and that is it. No promised update or anything else.

As for the price. Well that is a matter of your thoughts. Some will deem it's worth it and some will not. Me personally, there is nothing wrong with the n6 and will most likely use it for another 3 or 4 years and will always have the latest OS version.
[Nexus 6  General] dirtyjersey856:
Well it doesn't seem like it'll be today, since Google just updated the image page....more Nougat builds for the devices that already received a release build....but no Shamu!!!
[Nexus 6  General] gvicic:
New build is ready on the nexus factory images site: 6.0.1 (MOB31E).
[Nexus 6  General] celeriL:
6.0.1....

6+0+1=7

Illuminati confirmed. Where's my nougat?!
[Nexus 6  General] smokinjoe2122:
The 6P is still missing factory images and it's their flagship phone, so we can't feel too bad.
[Nexus 6  General] Arju:
Seems like those devices that has received factory images for 7.0 just got an update. Version NRD90S and NRD90R has been posted for those devices. Shamu and Angler seems left out again. Hopefully it will come soon™
[Nexus 6  General] aroy97:
They probably pushed some type of security fix which was necessary and updated it for the nougat builds as well
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
Still no Nougat for the N6 :crying:
[Nexus 6  General] cameraddict:
Admittedly, I only just started following N6 news in July when I started poking around to buy a used device (finally bought one... it's in the mail!). From what I read a week or so ago, it seems that those who ran with the N preview should have access to N final now. Did anyone here run with the update?
[Nexus 6  General] troc240:
Wish that were true. Been on the preview since the beginning but still no final build for me.
[Nexus 6  General] mrgwap03:
I was excited when i got the push bullet notification lol.. but it was a false alarm
[Nexus 6  General] JimSmith94:
Since we got MOB31E today, I hope we'll skip 7.0 and get 7.1 next month when the Pixels come out.
[Nexus 6  General] cameraddict:
Damn. That sucks.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
To me it seems frankly bizarre that Google are still releasing Marshmallow updates more than two weeks after releasing the final Nougat. I can only think that another poster is right in saying that there is some sort of Qualcom driver problem, but (as a non-techie) again it seems bizarre that if there are working drivers for M it's such a huge hurdle to provide them for N...

It's absurd that other devices already have the first N update when most devices still haven't had even the first release.
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
I personally think that Google made a big mistake by releasing Android N for some Nexus devices and 2 weeks later a Android M update for those devices that didn't get Android N . They should have waited with the release till the problems they are facing now are solved and do a release for all devices. But that is just my look on the subject.
[Nexus 6  General] Longge1:
Yeah, another great effort for Google to de-fragmentization!
[Nexus 6  General] gothy.gothy:
This is only marketing...
[Nexus 6  General] lordneopt:
If crapsung gets late on updates people criticize. If Google gets late it's ok and we shouldn't care.

Newsflash, it's not ok and I do care because I bought an uber expensive device to get updates in time. Hell I paid more than a N6P at the time.

And no, i couldn't care less about half backed nougat Roms with dev blobs. I want the real deal.

Google should be ashamed. Not the example the manufacturers need.

If it is Qualcomm problem, which I do not believe, JBQ quitted for nothing some years ago.
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
Samsung is late for months, half a year usually. It's been two weeks. We'll survive. But there is really something wrong with the shamu development, they've just mucked up the AOSP manifest for the September security update. Other tags could have gone wrong, I have to revert all changes I've made.
[Nexus 6  General] TAGTRAUM:
LlabTooFeR says that we will get 7.1 in October with new nexus pixel devices :)
[Nexus 6  General] Trina9:
Was this the same person claiming it was coming with the September security update?
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
nah, not new. i was tinkering with e70, n95, berries and was part of the first iphone jailbreak community, cydia tweaks etc - more or less as a beta tester in my spare time. just enjoyed doing it. and i still have an OG Galaxy Tab (rooted, working), an OG kindle fire (rooted, working), an HP Touchpad (rooted, working) so I know how to extract maximum benefit from EOL'd devices. the point is with the nexus series, my expectation was different from the others i chose to tinker around with as you would mess with an e-type.

On the shamu, all the N builds we currently have are buggy and waiting for a stable base and stable vendor blobs/radio/bootloader/kernel etc are brutal when you know the devs here need them too. I will only be on say Pure Nexus nougat version - will never be stock but not even having a decent base that Beans for example can use to cook yet is just irritating.
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
It could be marketing policy of G. Why priority for people who already payed for a so called high-end phone?
[Nexus 6  General] Droidphilev:
I would think that if the update causes this that they would remove the images from the download page for nexus 5x at least. Probably the update brought up some hardware problem but is the rom itself fine.
[Nexus 6  General] lordneopt:
Can you guarantee that even waiting weeks more this will not happen? No. So #care to that.

That can happen a month later or a week sooner. Doesn't matter.
[Nexus 6  General] garywojdan81:
This looks like an LG issue, not a Google issue. They had a debacle like this with the G4 all this year. Same scenario too, sudden random reboot/bootloops caused by hardware connections at the motherboard.
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
I agree with this soooooo much! I paid full price for my 64GB Shamu, and the next day the 6p was up for sale..... Same price! Had me like this lol not to mention I got one of the bad ones with the hissing crackling speakers, got with Google and they wanted to replace mine with a refurbished one...... Alright, rant over, I'm done.
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Sadly this is the case with all electronics. Sad but true.
[Nexus 6  General] AstroDigital:
Really I am running the last Nougat Beta and I really do not care much if I ever see a upgrade to the "official" release.

My device is working fine and the way I look at it on October 4 Google will finally give us details on the Pixel XL.

I figure in maybe 2 months (less in you are American) I will have a replacement for my Nexus 6, which should last me 2 more years.
[Nexus 6  General] SamuriHL:
My opinion may be a controversial one, but, I'd rather have that happen to me. Why? Because whatever bug this is, is exposing a hardware flaw and Google is repairing/replacing impacted devices. I'd rather know that mine is one of the affected devices and get it fixed so I don't have problems down the line.
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
Guys we are gonna get 7.1 on 4th October, just be patient for a couple of weeks
[Nexus 6  General] Candy[MAN]:
Introduced on Oct 4th....not necessarily released.
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
Where did you get that info from? I haven found anything reliable that makes me believe we will get android 7 on Oct 4, let alone android 7.1
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
[MENTION=2780239]khanam[/MENTION]

Apparently you've never worked on anything technological related in your life.

This is a prime example here, obviously they had a batch of hardware that doesn't play well with the new update where as most of it does. So, how do you not allow this to happen?

Keep one phone from every batch created so you can test it on every single phone? You can't be that ignorant to how difficult knowing something like this would be to find during testing, if they don't have a device from that specific batch, they don't know until it happens

God forbid you slowly roll updates out though because of everyone that gets up in arms about how slow the rollout is. But if they had, that would mean leas phone casualties.

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Not everyone can go weeks without a device, not that I don't have a few extra units lying around, but I would assume most family's that don't mess with the custom side of ROMs, don't have older phones lying around. They trade them in to OEM's to save a few bucks.
[Nexus 6  General] SamuriHL:
Quite true and I completely sympathize on that point, however, if there's faulty hardware then at some point it's possible (no idea on the odds here) that they'd eventually run into an issue anyway. And what happens if that's outside of a warranty period? I can't speak for everyone, only myself, but I would want to find any hardware problem with my device while I still have a warranty to get it replaced/repaired.

As to the point about phased, slow rollouts, I can understand and appreciate it. Letting it out to a few initially will allow them to get real world data points on how well the update is working before it goes out to the masses. No issue with that whatsoever. However, my issue is that we're Nexus owners. Put the factory image out there for those that want to take the risk and flash it. If it sucks, that's on us for being impatient and flashing something that could potentially be buggy. Don't roll it OTA until people have had time with the factory image and give some feedback on it....no problem with that. Unfortunately that's not what Google has decided to do. It's likely they ran into some issue with the whale, or, given that it's about to EOL, it's simply not a priority while they work on stabilizing the non-EOL devices. The 5x has seen 3 builds. Most other devices have seen at least 2 builds so far. It's very likely those aren't just security updates. Plus they're prepping for a new device launch in less than 2 weeks. That's gotta be keeping them busy.
[Nexus 6  General] jmartin72:
There is no no proof at all that the N6 will get 7.1 on the 4th.
[Nexus 6  General] SamuriHL:
There's no proof ANY devices are going to get 7.1 on the 4th. They're launching the new Pixel devices but that only means you can pre-order them. They will not be available to walk into a store and buy one on that day. And the only info I've seen on 7.1 suggests that Google is going to do another round of preview releases before shipping the final version.

http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2016/08/taking-final-wrapper-off-of-nougat.html
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
Im saying that based on the history, Google usually releases the factory images of every new software when they announced the new hardware, they're going to do announce pixel phones on 4th October along with 7.1 and if we aren't getting 7.1 I doubt we'll even get 7.0 anytime soon then, Google has hold out releasing 7.0 because they'll skip it all together for N6, that's my opinion
[Nexus 6  General] md07:
I think same. Apple And Google do the same when they introduce new device with new software, always. But I'm not sure about N6 and other Nexus device will get new Android (not sure 7.1, maybe 7.0.1). Only Pixel get it
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
[MENTION=2812087]SamuriHL[/MENTION]

Yeah I understand that, and to an extent I feel the same way, but at this point I don't think Google ever stated what the issue was, that leads me to believe its something big.

My idea on it is that its issues with CDMA ril, because a lot of the builds being done using aosp for zvw, have issues with calls, I feel like they made some change to the kernel or the blobs after dp5 that borked it. And if that's the case, Google isn't going to realise It and be like flash this, we will make a new build eventually that addresses it.

But if there's no known issues, and they had moved to a slow rollout as opposed to a mass dump, I agree, put that **** out there and let people that want to flash it asap get on it

Edit: hell they might have even used the mm blobs with dp5 for all I know.
[Nexus 6  General] SamuriHL:
The fact that Google is being tight lipped and only saying "in the coming weeks" does not help all the speculation. If they came out and said here's the issue, we're working on it, we don't currently have an eta I don't think people would really have an issue. It's the mushroom treatment that people don't enjoy.
[Nexus 6  General] bjacks12:
I think they're just going to let us figure it out for ourselves.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
I mean some people are going to ***** either way, but yeah, I agree.

If there's an issue, man up and state it, that way every puts away their tin foils hats, and calm at least some of the people down
[Nexus 6  General] SamuriHL:
Yea exactly. I mean a month delay on a nexus is nut the norm. I'm still hanging out on dp5 but the concern I have is the security updates. We're quite a bit behind on that front. Could I go back to m? Sure but that's a pain.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
Anymore the vast majority of the new N builds using the old blobs are working great for me, that's why I'm not all fired up about it.

Been running despairs N as a dd for over a week no issue.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Can I repeat my request that a mod close this pointless time vampire thread?
[Nexus 6  General] blanco2701:
You can always unsuscribe you know :p
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
The reason I have not is because another one will just open. Wash, rinse repeat.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
truer words were never spoken...:good:
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
How about you just don't come into the thread? That's simple enough
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
Blimey! That hadn't occurred to me! Thanks for this excellent suggestion.
[Nexus 6  General] pjsnyc:
I say we find ourselves a copy of 'Nexus 6: The Search for Nougat' and fastforward to find out when we get it.

Prepare to fastforward! Fastforward! Fastforwarding!!!
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
Correct, anything CAN happen, but on the bright side, since they haven't released our build yet, I would assume they would cross check the issue with our device, and all the others as well.

Gotta crack and a few eggs to make an omelet, thankfully the eggs that cracked were the 5x manlets and not us 6" ers
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
The first 6P OTA was recalled too.
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Was it really? Wow didn't know that.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
That's why I'm excited Google is dumping the nexus line and making their phones on house.

That's why apple phones run so well on less hardware specs. Google will be able to control everything so no more compatibility issues
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
I didn't think of this, what came to mind right away when I heard about it, was that they won't run stock Android, but Android with "Nexus only features". Kind of bummed me out.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
Either way, its not like there won't be custom ROMs like we have now.

It's hard to say exactly what they're going to end up with, but I guarantee im buying the bigger one. The ability for them to optimize the hell out of them is going to make whatever type of skin and crap worth dealing with
[Nexus 6  General] lordneopt:
Excited for what?

Google doesn't manufacture anything, it will always rely on third party oem's to ship and build devices. However Google already controls everything when they build a Nexus or Pixel, they work with SoC manufacturer (for obvious reasons) and the oem that manufactures the rest of the device to get things done on the hardware and software side.

The only thing that can potentially change is the design, and even then i have my doubts because the new pixel devices look allot like the iphonish clones that HTCrap has been designing lately.

The pixel move is just a branding issue to justify an increase in price and to stand out a bit from the crowd because oems are not actively publicising Android as a feature like they used to do some years ago. Android as a brand is kinda vanishing under all those skins oems implement over it. Google sees this and acts in the worst possible imo.