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[Nexus 6  General] lordneopt:
I didn't say his name correctly on purpose, much more funny called pinchai than pichai. Either way, pinchabi pinchai or pichai just means he sucks. His strategy for Android is way different from Rubin strategy on the past and it's not a good one. Everyone seems to worship him for Chrome but the guy sucks as a leader.

And yes, marshmallow doze is ludicrous, as many other theoretical Google projects that failed miserably into a good implementation. You already had some permissions control into the framework on lollipop, marshmallow was a stagnated release as it is nougat.

So I couldn't personally care less to what Google has to offer nowadays in the form of devices. Sad part is that AOSP will eventually suffer from this new path they are following.

App development is not core OS development.

And this isn't a new thing, they did this many times with Nexus tablets. Also if you remember correctly in a not so far past you had moto devices getting updates faster than some Nexus. This time it just got worse.

Then again not buying a skinned Nexus device paying premium price, if the rumours are true of course.
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
Firstly, you act as though you actually are a journalist. Just because it does not agree with what you want to believe does not mean you trash what you read. At least Forbes is a respectable publication reporting on a study with links and data. You are just some dude spouting off on a forum. What kind of data do you have that might be worth considering? Experiments conducted in your mom's basement while smoking a doobie?

Secondly, if you really read the article, Forbes is not the source of the data. They are merely reporting on a study conducted by a firm called apteligent. Click on the link in the Forbes article.

Tada!------ https://data.apteligent.com/research/network-crashes

So your trashing Forbes is irrelevant. Focus your guns on Apteligent. That's the firm that did the study. Forbes just regurgitated that in layman's terms. And apteligent seems to be a firm that caters only to app developers and does not have a presence in the conventional press domain. They have numerous other studies on their site - none of which seem to suggest they take sides. They seem to be focused on helping app developers figure out issues with their own apps and platforms.

The points Apteligent are making are that a) android OS versions had been improving over time wrt crash rates until MM and they are seeing unusually high crash rates even compared to MM, L and earlier. And b) if you click on the link you will notice that Apteligent is stating that 20% of Nougat app crashes are related to network issues, vs only 8% being attributable to network crashes in the case of iOS 10. I was actually not as focused on overall app crashes - only that an inordinately high percentage of app crashes in nougat seem to be from network issues.

The point I am making is that perhaps this has something to do with the N release / rollout delays, given that a bunch of us complained about radio and bluetooth issues with N (DP5 for example) radios - i.e. network connectivity which is what this study is focused on.

And in conclusion, when presented with something that might not make sense to you, please make the effort to follow the breadcrumbs. Sometimes you will learn things you did not know.
[Nexus 6  General] adm1jtg:
***cough*** ***cough*** android wear 2.0 pushed back "delayed" till 2017 sometime... do i see a pattern
[Nexus 6  General] garywojdan81:
Google is falling apart
[Nexus 6  General] krGemini:
They just released the nougat but still the devices which already have it are complaining of issues especially of boot loop. And on top of that this boot loop is not resolving even reverting back to marshmallow.
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
That's the 5x. And it's a hardware problem. But it does remind me the Galaxy S II bricking update disaster when they botched the nand during the update hard bricking the phones.
[Nexus 6  General] yosmokinman:
They do seem to have problems. It's strange though that my N7 2013 running the aosp n build is solid, really none of the bigger problems people report on the Official devices with N. No bootloop/random reboot/lagyness/battery drain (maybe 10% more) etc.

Of course that uses MM blobs. Maybe the new N drivers ain't up to par yet.
[Nexus 6  General] NLBeev:
Google has databases with marketing info about the max price of smartphones that people are willing to pay.

I have a N6 and payed 410 euro. That's the most expensive phone I ever had.

I think it's idiot that we want to pay hundreds of dollars/euro for a device with a value of about 50 dollar (production costs).

I know people that payed > 900 euro for an iPhone.

So Google is copying Apple's pricepolicy.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
Might as well throw me in that category too as I'll be purchasing one, and you know what? I'm glad it will be round $700, because that will keep the kids away from the device and the bums.

The rate of how fast the n6 forums is degenerating as the price drops is getting ridiculous.

There's plenty of cost effective phones coming out from other companies that makes crying about what Google wants to do with their devices moot. Can't afford one or can't get your parents to get you one? Oh well, get a moto g or a oppo phone.

Google wants to try and compete with apple, that includes matching their price point.
[Nexus 6  General] krGemini:
Google do want to compete with Apple by only matching with their price ? ? ? ? ? That's the most funny part of this competition, Google should first learn to satisfy their users.

They can't even maintain 5 to 6 of their so called Nexus devices, while Apple is still managing their users who still have their legacy iphone 5 by giving update to them. iPhone 5 is still getting updates from Apple while it's now approximately 5 years old device, while Google is now adapting to 2 years update policy as they discontinued updates for Nexus 5.

Secondly the update policy, Apple announce a date for update and on that date and time all of the devices whether it's their legacy iPhone 5 or latest iPhone 6s gets the update. While Google is still sticking to their pathetic update policy and this thread is a result of the same.
[Nexus 6  General] Lawlrus:
[MENTION=1900394]krGemini[/MENTION]

And the simple response to that is if you want to take a stand and not buy it then more power to you.

The act of complaining about it is silly when there are more viable options out there. I get it, people complain just for the fact of wanting to complain, just like people are that there's been no 7.0 drop for this unit in light of a lot of issues with other 7.0 builds they have dropped.

I'm merely pointing out the fact that this is what society is now. Outraged over the price? Don't get one.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
That's comparing apples to oranges. Apple controls all the hardware and software as where Google does not.
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
Interesting. Why would an elitist like you spend your precious time here then? Tell you what, we the "bums" are people who stick around and give life to this phone and others. Why dont you go back to admiring the money and the great life decions you have made. You are tremendous, believe me. So huge!

With comments like yours I wonder...

Why dont you do like the rest of your kind does and buy an iphone?

Bravo, congratulations! You made a breakthrough in commnon sense! This is tremendous high level thinking. Believe me!

have a nice day!
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
You can leave your targeted attacks out of the site.

I don't know if you noticed but the developers here are the elite. And it is also well known that the kids are what is ruining android development and the reason many devs stop publicly posting and only share with select people.
[Nexus 6  General] krGemini:
I think we are talking about Nexus devices only and for that Google also has limited hardware and software to maintain.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
Google still doesnt have control over that. Apple makes all drivers and such in house. Google does not. Mainly with this device now being owned by a chinese company. That will make it even harder. Mostly due to their objection to open source.
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
The only thing that ruins development and enthusiasm in any subject , not just android develpment, is your sort of attitude. There is no "elite" here. There shouldnt be. The devs can leave.

I am not some sort of paragon of justice here. For all I care, you and your friends can run this place to the ground or run an elite club. There are possibilities everywhere I I only visit this place rarely, and I dont appreciate elitism.

Take my advice, and leave for iphone or any other "elite" phone then.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
You come to a developers site and say the devs can leave. hahaha you are too funny. XDA is made by and for developers. Not little kids that want to make their phones look cool.

Oh and news flash kiddo. Most android devlopers use IOS as their every day device and leave android as a hobby.

Now you can easily be removed from the site.

There shouldnt be the elites? Let me let you in on something. You are not even in the same world as some of the developers here. They are way above your league. Its entitled feeling kids that ruin development. To the point that many devs now only share work privately. Let me let you in on something.

Now I have had to hold my tounge on this for a while but no longer.

XDA is a developers site

XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only

XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Like Logcats and crash messages. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix". And even Maybe help fix what is broken.

XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.

XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.

XDA is not your friends house

XDA is not a democracy

XDA is not a place to make Money.

XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.

I have watched XDA become a place where every dumbass in the world has a smartphone and comes here thinking they have the right to anything. Well guess what? You dont have the right to ****. We share it because we want to and we dont if we dont feel like it. Are the Developers or the Mods required to make you happy? Nope not in the least. Wanna leave. Go ahead. I beg you, please do. The less people that are asking dumb question cause they dont know what they are doing (this is understood when your new, but at least look) or are too lazy to look for it the better.

Dont like what I have to say? I am sorry you must have mistaken me for someone that gives a damn.

If you want to read the OG post just click on my banner and it will take you to the post.
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
"

XDA Developers was founded by developers, for developers. It is now a valuable resource for people who want to make the most of their mobile devices, from customizing the look and feel to adding new functionality"

Oh I am shocked! Such non partisanship!

Please. Remove yourself please. Your toxic attitude doesnt belong anywhere, except in a prisons maybe.

Really? Thats amusing. Without "us" you wouldnt be having a job.

See the description of the site you are moderating. Its not just for DEVELOPERS only.

See above.

See above.

I agree 100%.

Tragic

You must be mistaking me for some thin skinned kid. Trust me, I am actually having fun now.

Exhilarating.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
This is over. If you keep it up you can be banned.

A Couple of things. First this is not a job. This is a hobby. We dont get paid to do this. Second. XDA was here even before mommy bought you your first phone and we will be here long after you are gone. If you read what I wrote you would have known that.

Now if you have anything else to say then you are free to PM me. Other wise knock it off.
[Nexus 6  General] rebel1699:
While I may agree with alot of this, lets separate the true from the rant.

It is also ruined by jaded mods who have labeled those newcomers trying to learn and contribute what they can based on their lesser knowledge as "script kiddies" and "zip wizards" (Page 36 of this thread). They are trying to learn. Leave them be. While I understand your position (because it does not just apply to your field only), it is poison to a community.

Now, this is the rant portion I was speaking of. Especially the "We could make it invite only" portion. Really? 10-12 years ago, absolutely. However, this is not 10-12 years ago. This makes you appear as a static individual in a very dynamic situation. Now, if xda would have not gone through the drastic evolution between its inception to now, maybe, and I stress maybe, you would be right. But, that is not the case. And even if it would have stayed a small group, it would have splintered into many individual groups by now. So, lets get to reality, and not just one mans personal preference. The generation of ad revenue alone make this section of your argument absolutely null and void. I suspect if you brought that idea up to xda owner/s, the laughter would be deafening. Do you really think they would downsize that much, and lose that much ad revenue? That revenue is based on numbers, not accomplishment. The owners have taken this path, and I suspect your preference will have absolutely no impact on that continued path. Not to mention the user base size being great leverage in the past for lobbying and collaboration purposes. Unfortunately, forum communities carry weight by numbers. You know it, and I know it. Lets not fool ourselves due to our jaded disposition.

Of course a massive number of people come here to make their phone cool. It may not be what you want, or what was originally intended. But, the fact remains. Things evolve, even xda. It was a compromise made for the sake of subscriber numbers years ago. Again, we both know this. Lets not pretend.

While I agree to the theories listed here, it again does not entirely fit the reality we find ourselves in. So the question must be asked. Are you upset at the users, or are you truly upset that the xda model has come to seemingly endorse this behavior for the sake of subscriber numbers?

Normally, I would not broach this subject in public. But, you have made it in public. I truly hope that someday your bitterness is replaced with something more positive and productive.
[Nexus 6  General] zelendel:
If you look at the of post (linked to the banner in my sig) you will see that not only mods but devs and the owners all liked that post.

The ad Rev is not really a big thing as most of our users use ad blockers anyway.

Learning is one thing. Being a win zip wizard or a scrip kiddy is another. As a test I asked my preteen sons to make a rom for their device with only using open source. Guess what happened. Less then a day later they brought me a rom that was completely aosp based with proper commits kept and all authorship maintained. So yeah it's not that hard to learn to do things properly.

As for jaded? Not at all.

And you would be amazed at how the owners did react. Like I said just look at the original post and see who thanked that post.
[Nexus 6  General] khanam:
A large number of us are astounded that Google thinks it can march its devices upmarket without a matching commitment to customer service and product support. Having an os update remain out of circulation 6 weeks after expected deployment date implies that the nexus, & by extension, pixel model is wrong. Also, if they keep jumping from h/w partner to h/w partner every year, what possible hope do we have of consistent product support?

The current android model is set to fail with fragmentation, driver, blob issues and so on. If the newest android code can't communicate efficiently with hardware because drivers etc do not get concurrent updates, how can this work?

At least we have great devs on XDA (great devs here no doubt) and we can get to play with some stuff but without correct vendor blobs, drivers etc, there will always be issues even they can't resolve.

Until we have the entire android ecosystem marching in lockstep, thinking that we can have a premium seamless, smooth android product is delusional at best.

If google can't even get the nexus 6 update out on time and not have nougat not brick some 5x phones, do we honestly think people will look at the pixel phones without grave suspicions of short product support, inability to control HTC (which might collapse in a few months) and other accessory partners and a mess in some form or the other? Why would anyone pay premium prices for a pixel when it looks like they do not have their act together? The fact that they look ugly and dated doesn't help.

I switched to a nexus in order to enjoy the pureness of android, platform openness, the dev community etc. But that is not at the expense of inconsistent support by google and device partners.
[Nexus 6  General] dahawthorne:
I'm not a developer, and I have no desire at all to make my phone "cool". I want it to work as I like it, and XDA is a fantastic resource to help me. In return, I've helped a lot of others, as evidenced by my "thanks" ratio - nowhere close to Zelendel's, mind you, but still not negligible.

Having suffered the rough edge of Zelendel's tongue at least once, I can't help but think that he doesn't always get out of bed on the right side, and a more accommodating tone towards fellow users would not come amiss. Our avatars don't have to exactly match our personalities, you know... mine doesn't... :)

I don't want to start/participate in/continue a personality flame war - just commenting, as I think we're all entitled to do.
[Nexus 6  General] garywojdan81:
Just saw this: http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...-ota-update-now-rolling-out-to-nexus-66p.html
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
Lol I just read that exact same article on 2 other sites. I love how these supposed tech/Android click bait sites just blatantly copy/paste each other constantly.

IMO I think we're not going to be getting "vanilla" Android builds going forward. We will be getting the same builds that the pixel devices are getting with the extra goodies/bloatware, depending on how you look at it.

Regardless, it is kind of ridiculous how they have rolled out 7.0. First non flagship devices, then non Google device.

Doesn't do any good whining about it, so I guess we'll just have to keep waiting patiently....
[Nexus 6  General] lordneopt:
Late is always late.
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
Yeah, then to you it's the same to buy a Galaxy A3 (2016) that's still on Lollipop and and Nexus 6P that didn't get the official Nougat as of today.
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
A more interesting question, is why then were they able to post images for the Nexus 5x? That thing has a Snapdragon 808, so whatever problems are common to the 6 and 6p (which have 805 and 810 respectively), should also impact the 5x. The biggest "driver" hurdle with these things is the GPU, and the Nexus 5x and 6 have virtually identical GPUs.

Frankly, I don't think this was a driver issue at all. I think that the 5x was a "big" target, and they were waiting for the dust to settle before moving on to the 6 and 6p.
[Nexus 6  General] daimerion:
Has anyone actually gotten an update....since these articles claim it's rolling out
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
That's being kind. Samsuck is usually late for yearS, if they EVER push the update.

Like when they pushed the 4.1 update to S3/S3R, if I remember correctly, 4.4 was already long of tooth and 5.0 was nearly there. And then that was it. NOTHING FURTHER.

---------- Post added at 02:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 PM ----------

Those sites probably think that the security update is the 7.0 update.

There is NOTHING on the Nexus images or OTA pages.

---------- Post added at 02:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------

So... just like ever other build they've made for N6? Because Google has NEVER given us a pure/clean AOSP build.
[Nexus 6  General] istperson:
Yeah, you're right. But the Note 3, I had received the Lollipop update in late March which was light speed. :D But I had already switched to cm in the second half of January.
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
I understand that, I have been on Nexus devices since Nexus S [emoji41]. My understanding is that there will be more of a system wide "skin", like TouchWiz or sense, on the pixel devices. Not just having different Google apps and a slightly different launcher from AOSP, like previous Nexus builds.
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
Don't count on it.

In fact, that would be precisely contradictory to everything that google has said about how they want to move Android forward.
[Nexus 6  General] SynisterWolf:
Fingers crossed.

EDIT

Just reread the tweet. They're confirming we are getting the OTA but not when. Shady
[Nexus 6  General] Highway 55:
Yeah you're probably right. Either way I'll take what I can get.

Still, it is a bit irritating the way they are releasing 7.0. The way they are rolling it out is "precisely contradictory" to the way they have always said that Nexus devices get the latest versions first. Yes, some Nexus devices got it first, not the flagships. Evidently the LG V20 is a more important launch than their own Pixel phones....

Doesn't matter to me, I am happy rolling with DP5 until final comes our way.
[Nexus 6  General] Zenety:
Did you just quote yourself? :silly:
[Nexus 6  General] kidhudi:
The raspberry pi 3 has android 7.0 lol
[Nexus 6  General] SynisterWolf:
Edit wasn't working on Tapatalk for some reason. :/
[Nexus 6  General] Yasharkhan:
i guess ill be happy if we get 7.1 with actual improved features on 4th October when pixel phones are announced, right now the final Nougat version isnt that much different from DP5 , there is not even the Nexus launcher or google assistant in it which i hope we will get with 7.1. not releasing Nougat for their Nexus devices (even last yr flagship) has been an ass move from Google though ,and im betting Qualcomm has played a major part in delay
[Nexus 6  General] TonikJDK:
I don't see it as a driver problem. No driver problems on the beta's. No reason to think there would be now. The final wont be much different than 5. At least not at the driver level.

My guess ia they are waiting for the Pixels or the LG to be released.
[Nexus 6  General] Trina9:
We know that it's coming, when is another matter entirely.
[Nexus 6  General] Az Biker:
***Thread Cleaned ***

Let's keep the focus in this thread on the N6 update, NOT each other. Your cooperation is appreciated.
[Nexus 6  General] photolarry:
Read that it weld come yesterday with September patches but it didn't get actual nod from Google until today. I've found no ota link on web. If someone would post the link once a few get the update, wold greatly appreciate it