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[LG V20 Questions & Answers] probablecauzdnb:
i saw this also when i checked t-mobile's site this morning. it was not there at 3 am when i had checked. i called t-mobile just a little while ago and they still have no info regarding date of pre-orders or actual release date. i hope with the drop in price on the V10 and the G5 that it will happen sooner than later. i highly doubt they will wait another full month to release the phone. that would be a major blunder on lg's part. they will completely miss the window for all the note 7 users like me who want to replace the defective notes for another phone. september 21st was one of the dates i have seen multiple times on different sites regarding availability for t-mobile. guess we will all have to wait and see. edit: i just checked dates on a lot of the other phones listed on t-mobile's site based upon the date shown on the screenshot. not 1 single one corresponded to a release date of the phone. so hopefully the october 19th shown on the v20's screen is just a stock photo being used.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Nitemare3219:
VentureBeat is claiming that LG is launching it on October 21st.

BETTER. NOT. BE. TRUE. I will consider not buying the phone out of spite for LG being incredible idiots if that is the case.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] twistedvip:
Yup here's a link for those interested - http://pocketnow.com/2016/09/19/galaxy-note-7-lg-v20-sales-acts-us-october-21.

So I guess if it is indeed true, then the people who were given "review/beta" phones were just a beta test so they can furnish the final product fixing any issues they may have seen, etc. Thats the only good way of looking at a release date like that.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] malimal:
they may want to get this out before the pixel...
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dmarco:
If the Oct 21st date is indeed true, then I will be trading in my G5 for a Note 7! Sorry LG, but you just lost a long time customer!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] probablecauzdnb:
i hope the 21st isn't the real date. if so i am stuck with my note 7. i am really disappointed with it and was really looking forward to getting a v20. only have till he end of this month to get a replacement. i hope t-mobile pre-orders will start before the end of this month. then i wouldn't mind waiting. i have a note 4 i can use in the meantime
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Amd4life:
Welp i guess i am getting a pixel device. No reason to get a LG device at this point.

Talk about a terrible release period. They had a CLEAR window, with the Samsung debacle...guess Google pulled the nougat release, to their benefit.

Either way Apple wins again :smh: they have an basically TWO months before you can actually get a device delivered, in your hand.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] blackangst:
Early leaks of the Pixel dont look very exciting...

http://bgr.com/2016/09/19/pixel-xl-specs-geekbench-benchmark/
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] hasbrobot:
Wow, another month?....grr
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] twistedvip:
Not only will it be released in a month for the US, but it will also cost $800 according to this article: http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=214372

LG seems to think they are Samsung or something. no way I will spend $800 for that phone.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] RicoX9:
My understanding is we have the option to outright return our Note 7's, rather than replace. I may just go through the pain of that and wait. I'd like good comparisons and tests, as well as some personal hands-on. I really don't want to have to live with the **** WiFi on the Note 7 for 3 years.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dmarco:
Agreed! Great job LG, you just lost yourself more customers!!!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] chipworkz:
I think you mis-read the article. That is talking about Korean prices. It isn't saying that the US version will be $804 just that is the equivalent price in US Dollars. It is up approximately 100,100 won ($89.35) or approximately 11%from the V10. Right now the V10 is $499 at T-Mobile so that would only be plus 54.89 at 11% or at most the 89.35 if you wanted to error on the high side. I am not sure what the V10 originally sold for but I can't see the US version being $800. That article also talks about the B&O headphones being included which helps justify the price and it has already been said that we aren't getting those.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
The V10 @ T-Mobile sold for $599 USD (less one short-lived sale soon after release) until last weeks price cut to $499,no doubt to clear out stock for the upcoming V20.

I agree,I seriously doubt we'll see an $800 price tag in the states,overseas pricing never directly translates/converts on any given day.

I'm guessing more in the $700-$730 range.

Looks like we'll have at least a couple weeks to speculate,less internal document links.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] twistedvip:
I want to doubt that it will be exactly at $800. But the V10 was $700 when it was released. And I think on att's site it is still listed close to $700. So I am prone to think that it will be close to $800. Maybe $750.

Still I can't see how they will be justifying that price. $650 was my limit for the phone. Maybe $700 depending on the deals and if it had come out soon. Either way, only time will tell.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] FAUguy:
I would also think the V20 will range from $699-750 depending on the carrier. The B&O headphones would be a nice addition.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] daytonasportster:
http://www.att.com/v20

Coming soon!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] probablecauzdnb:
t-mobile has had the phone listed for 2 days now on their website with coming soon as well. unfortunately coming soon could be tomorrow or a month from now. :(
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Josh McGrath:
What sucks is that lg will probably do the same thing this year that they did with the v20.

When I worked inventory for tmobile they would send a whole 2 devices per store and replenishment shipments were SLOW!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
I had to call 3 stores last year before I found one that even received any. He had 2 left and held one for me so I could drive there to pick it up! You're probably right about them doing it again. To this day I don't really come across anyone who has heard of my phone... "oh what phone is that? The v what?"

Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] chipworkz:
I always order my phones online, either doing a Jump through the website or through Twitter. You get a 20 day return period doing this and aren't relying on store inventory. I would hope the warehouse wouldn't be short on inventory too.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
I would prefer to pre-order on-line,but,the method of delivery in my area is horrible (UPS):

Twice they've left phones sitting @ my doorstep,regardless of delivery upgrades or instructions indicating otherwise.

As w/battery life discussions,chalk this up to YMMV.

I really wish T-Mobile would let us choose the final leg of delivery,even if the added expense comes out of my pocket.

I'd go with USPS & have no worries,they do a nice job in my area,will leave packages w/neighbors if they're familiar w/you & the neighborhood,or,at worst,just have it available for pick-up or another delivery attempt the next day (no $700+ packages left on the doorstep)...................
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] mjjcb:
Checking this thread, G+, and doing Google searches obsessively every day with the hope of seeing a big announcement about the launch. I'm on Sprint, and I'm extremely anxious to see the price for this device on a 2 year contract. The full price isn't all that useful to me.

From my LG G3 ls990
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
If you sign up for my ups (it's free) you can change a delivery destination to a pickup or even upgrade from ups smart post (when they transfer to Usps for delivery) to regular ground.

It's very handy! I have the app too and it shows any pending deliveries. (without even needing any tracking numbers most times.)

Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Saw that Singapore or Hong Kong (can't remember which) is getting the V20 on the 29th, so I doubt we'll be getting it until a little after that. I heard originally that they'd release it there first and then the US "soon after", which stinks. I'm going to be stuck returning my Note 7 (due back by 9/30) and using a rental phone in the mean time. Yuck - it'll probably be my old S3... :(
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Been there/done that, makes no difference in my area. A serious case of DGAF is prevalent with UPS in my area & that includes the retail outlets....
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
Wow that's terrible! I was just rereading your post and realized it was a ups problem so yeah that stinks.

When I pre-ordered my original HTC G2 they delivered it to a house 1 street behind mine with the same number... And that thing was just the retail box. No mystery at all. Brand new HTC G2 day before release sitting on someone else's porch!!

I went on a hunt and found it before anyone else did...

Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Same reason I gave up Amazon Prime,it's not worth the headache,as they use UPS exclusively in my area.

It's all good,I'm still in a bit of a pissy mood today with the Note 7 recall/exchange program:

Got a new one today,but,I returned the Molotov Cocktail version 2 1/2 weeks ago,as they requested.

Doing so has (at least temporarily) screwed me out of the JOD program,called CS & they said the store was in error/etc.......

If I can't get back on JOD tomorrow,T-Mobile & Samsung can keep their Note7 (haven't opened it yet) & I'll just bide my time until the V20 is available & at that time,I may just say screw it & get a carrier-free V20 from B&H Photo/Video......................................
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-V...-the-market-on-sale-from-September-29_id85707

I hope we get this bundle offer in the US! I need a new tone headset. I've had mine forever!

Considering we don't even get offered the option of the B&O stuff it would make sense to offer us the Bluetooth!

Here's hoping!

Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
That would be nice,but,I'm gonna be a Debbie Downer & guess we'll only be offered the the battery kit & maybe one or the other of the Bluetooth devices at best.

Perhaps we'll get a Surprise freebie instead: ;)
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] planetbeen:
I'd be happy for the headset and battery/charger combo! I already have my 200gb card from the lg v10 promo... lol

Then again, I'd take another one of those if they're offering!

Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Same here,I wouldn't mind having another 200GB SD Card for the MeeNova keychain dongle:

http://www.meenova.com/

http://www.meenova.com/st/p/dash_g3c.html
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] bhagiratha:
That's a heck of a deal, but I prefer the international model with the B&O Play headset. And i'm guess that the bootloader will be unlocked and a root will soon follow.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] higc:
Maybe True

I'm not claiming this as accurate. Just came across the page and thought I would share and give some hope. I also found out that they did some training for T-Mobile staff on the device. Why train now if the launch would still be in a month. Again I'm not an expert on this so don't shoot me. I don't think I can post links. That why they're broken up.

h t tp:/ /m. theinvestor.co.kr /view.php?ud=20160913000843

h t tps: // mobile.twitter.com /tiffthetechie
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] chipworkz:
It is saying what was said on Sept. 13th, but Sept. 13th only said it would be released on the 29th in Korea and other markets to follow after. I think this article is misstating what was said but hopefully we all get surprised and get it earlier than expected.

Here are the links to make it easier.

http://m.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20160913000843

https://mobile.twitter.com/tiffthetechie
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
I just hope they make a carrier unlocked version so I don't have to get the damn verizon one. ugh.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] anl2304:
LG does this every time. It is extremely frustrating. The poor release and the high price points. They excel at shooting themselves in the foot. Even Samsung tries to release phones soon after announcing. (I'll resist the urge to make fun of the Note 7).

LG missed an opportunity here. I guess they were trying to avoid competing against the Note 7. Yeah, Apple will unfortunately reap the spoils. Honestly, it's not their fault that Samsung screwed up and LG regularly drops the ball.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
To be the devil's advocate, LG probably had their release schedule arranged before the Note 7 thing happened and decided not to rush risking quality or other issues.

I am eager to see the V20 out ASAP, however, given the price point I would rather see them do it right than rush it. I have accepted the fact that it might be Thanksgiving or Christmas time before I get a new phone. V20 is one of my top choices (if not the top), however, I will wait until it is out and see how people like it. The same goes for Pixel XL, Motorola (maybe there is going to be a new phone out), and even the iPhone which are in the run for me.

The Note 7, is out consideration for me because of Samsung's general practices (one of them the very limited software updates) and because of the battery fiasco. I traveled recently and the airlines' were repeatedly announcing that the Note 7 cannot be used or charged during flight. I don't know if this phone can ever escape this infamy. Heck, I had a flight attendant ask me to turn off and take off my noise cancelling headphones during landing, I cannot imagine what she would have done if she thought I was using a Note 7.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pilz:
I don't know about most people here, but personally I woudlnt buy the only version. If you get the international unlocked one it will almost certainly come with the B&O headphones, and maybe a spare battery. I know the Korean version includes a USB A-C adapter, microUSB-C adapter, headphones, and a spare battery. The international ones also get updates before carrier models but they usually lack proper VoLTE/WiFi calling support. I guess it's more of a preference thing for me; if I'm paying the money for a phone I shouldn't lose out on included accessories because US carriers suck.

Here's a picture from SKT's (South Korea Telecom's) website showing everything included over there with the V20
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
Yeh, that's a lot of worth while accessories! I plan on international for sure.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] anl2304:
Yeah, if I were to get it at some point, it would be a tough call: accessories vs. the VoLTE?WiFi calling. But the better update cycles would have me going for the international version too. As usual, US carriers really screw their customers.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Pilz:
Assuming we can obtain root/unlock the BL at some point wifi calling could potentially be added but the odds are slim to none. I would personally but the international one like I said given what it offers in the box and software wise
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] chanukya:
How do you folks handle any repairs? I called square trade and they don't cover unlocked phones any more. Samsung for example does not even fix non us phones here. B&h unlocked phones have to be sent back to them for fixes. This is the only thing holding me back from an unlocked phone. ..
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] dmarco:
It comes down to personal preference, but I would VoLTE and Wi-Fi calling over accessories any day. I already have plenty of headphones and other accessories, but I'd rather be able to make calls and not have to worry about dropped signals in the end. Just my opinion though, to each their own.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] sguerra923:
Really? I just received a squaretrade warranty on my unlocked Nexus
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I'm almost to the point where I HOPE it's 10/21. Still no confirmation or announcement... Why? Who is holding this up? I am going to be on a Galaxy S3 shortly (once I return my Note 7 due to the recall) and I can't survive on that thing for much more than a few weeks! (I do have it running Marshmallow and overclocked so it's tolerable but the screen... Ugh)
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] tudorbaros:
Hi, I found a site that says it`s going to be on pre-order on october 2nd the siteis b&h photo .It sucks that LG doesn`t inform us on an actual date when the phone will be release,and also sucks that the phone won`t be available in my country.I want to sell my s7 edge and buy the V20 or the note 7 but all this uncertainty about the availability and price kind off makes me go for the note.I really don`t get them almost a month past since the annoucement and still no date for other countries then south korea..Sorry for the errors in writing.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
He is probably talking about international unlocked models with no US warranty.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
B&H Photo/Video is taking pre-orders beginning 10/2/16:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/sear...Search=yes&sts=ma&typedValue=&Top+Nav-Search=
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] jayochs:
awesome. hope this is truly a us unlocked model.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] martinmagnus:
does anybody know the bands of the us version / does it work in europe? thx
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
A Google search of the model number LGUS996 netted the following:

http://www.globalcertificationforum.org/certification/lte/lte-devices/5879.html?view=lte
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] martinmagnus:
if i will buy the us version i won´t get ota updates in europe - is that right?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
Good find. I am hoping for a truly US unlocked V20 that works with all the carriers, but if the report is accurate, it lacks band 30 for AT&T. This is probably based on the Verizon model.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Yeah, most of these sort of listings are nice, but, not necessarily 100% accurate.

Hopefully some reviewer/etc.... manages to get one in-hand soon & can verify the specs/bands.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
This might be the AT&T model : https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1285960-REG/lg_lgus996_ausatn_lg_v20_4gb_ram.html if the ATN the MFR # LGUS996.AUSATN stands for "AT&T"

Also notice that the pre-order date was pushed to Oct 17.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Look at both serial numbers...."AUSASV" corresponds to the "Silver" color. "AUSATN" corresponds to "Titan" color.

Those numbers to me are for the color of the phone, not a carrier designation.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
You are right, that makes more sense.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
So if the pre-order is actually the 17th, when do we get the phone most likely? A week later? Two weeks later?
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
AT&T US996

This is the AT&T frequency report for the LG US996. When we know the AT&T model number I can check and see if it includes LTE B30 (2300 WCS).

GSM

Compatibility - 2 out of 2 bands supported

100%

Interface	Name	Supported by device?

GSM	850	Yes

GSM	1900 (PCS)	Yes

Supported GSM Protocols

Name	Generation	Supported by device?

GPRS	2.5G	Yes

EDGE	2.5G	Yes

UMTS

Compatibility - 2 out of 2 bands supported

100%

Interface	Name	Supported by device?

UMTS	B2 (1900 PCS)	Yes

UMTS	B5 (850)	Yes

Supported UMTS Protocols

Name	Generation	Supported by device?

UMTS	3G	Yes

HSDPA	3.5G	Yes

HSUPA	3.5G	Yes

HSPA+	3.5G (4G speed)	Yes

LTE

Compatibility - 3 out of 4 bands supported

75%

Interface	Name	Supported by device?

LTE	B2 (1900 PCS)	Yes

LTE	B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1)	Yes

LTE	B17 (700 bc)	Yes

LTE	B30 (2300 WCS)	No

Supported LTE Protocols

Name	Generation	Supported by device?

LTE	4G	Yes
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
How was the report generated? BTW, the global certification website site above doesn't certify B30 so it could be the reason that B30 is not listed on their report (on a brief check for LGUS966 I couldn't find B30 evidence on the FCC fillings either).

The AT&T model should support B30. The V10 did.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/AzWoD/lg-us996-v20-lte-a
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] haris163:
Thanks.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] twistedvip:
I can imagine the AT&T model having the 30 band. But the thing is most want to get the unlocked version to get away from all the additional apps/bloat that AT&T add onto the phones. Then there is also the fact that if ever given a chance for unlocking the bootloader, the unlocked version would be the only one that could have that possibility. AT&T would never allow for that.

So it would be quite disappointing if the unlocked model didn't support all the LTE bands. Just one band missing of 4 LTE bands could mean the possibility to have no LTE in your area.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Amritttt:
ive read somewhere that pre orders going to be in third week of october which is so late after the announcement i might pass it now was really impressed by v20 i might buy google pixel not gonna wait for so long.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
LMAO...So with every single Google phone release...the time between announcement and actual retail availability (as in just outright buy it "now", not "pre-order it).....was several *months*.

By 10/21 Pixel pre-orders will not even be available yet. And even if they were you would almost certainly not see a handset in your mailbox until November at the soonest...presuming you were one of the lucky FIRST pre-orders to get in. Oh yea and the Google pre-order site gets taken down and crashes when pre-orders go up. If you think waiting until 110/21 for a v20 pre-order is a long time not worth waiting...the Pixel wait is going to be MUCH longer.

Maybe this one time Google has their act together and learned from EVERY SINGLE Nexus program launch ever...but there's less than zero reason to believe that.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Amritttt:
The day note 7 was announced it was available the same day in dubai you can check the videos on YouTube. I don't know I've never bought nexus phone from google's official website and i have never bought an lg phone also so i assumed after seeing an article that spigen cases are already available on amazon anyways when will i get nexus if i pre order(sorry this is the wrong forum but still i see you have got good informations about the pre orders and deliveries).
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
Samsung releases are a very different matter.

I pre-ordered my Nexus 6 on November 5th. I was only able to get through the Google website on the second batch of pre-order days (pre-orders were only up for 1 hour over lunchtime). My order number was in the 1300s. I did not get a shipping confirmation of my phone until December 1st. I actually started a chargeback with my bank as a protection in case Motorola failed to deliver (only a calendar month to do so). And between holidays and weekends...I didn't have a phone until nearly the 2nd week of December. Nexus 6 Shamu was announced in October. I got so fed up of waiting, I actually started a gambling pool for a bottle of scotch for the person to get their Nexus 6 last from the pre-order. Final pre-order from 11/6 didn't get his until Xmas.

If you didn't pre-order there was no online stock to "buy now" until January or February. And that is normal for a Google Nexus release. Never enough stock....and pre-orders separated from paper-announcement by a month.

If you think the v20 wait is bad...well, you have admitted you've never tried buying a Google phone. Maybe with the rebrand Google will shape up. But in the 7 years or so they've done yearly Nexus launches they are all screwups.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
Two or three weeks is too much to wait for a device you'll have for a year or two? Come on now.
[LG V20 Questions & Answers] Skripka:
A typical phone can only expect 24 months absolute maximum of support.... Losing a month out of that is 4 or 5% of your support period minimum