yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software Development] uudruid74:
It can't not use it it's the one built into your phone.

If I'm reading you correctly, the question you want to ask is if Viper supports higher sample rates and resolutions than 16/48K. No it does not. That has nothing to do with your quad DAC. That is just the type of data streams that Viper is supporting. This is a level way above the hardware or drivers.

It is still using your quad DAC, and it's still "quad". Asking if it supports the quad DAC is the wrong question since the "quadness" has nothing to do with bit resolution or samplerates. The quad DAC internally creates 4 different streams which are averaged together to minimize noise, jitter, and quantization errors. Basically, the errors average out.

That's why I asked if you knew how the quad DAC worked. Your question just wasn't relevant. The quad DAC does this in hardware, not software. So, yes, it uses the quad DAC. No, it doesn't support your high res files SuperHD Audio files, but few sources exist anyway other than people upsampling stuff, which just wastes data and computing power.

You really don't want to process 24b/192KHz data through the convolver anyway. That's about 8 times the processing power. It's gonna hurt your battery.
[Android Software Development] BROKEN1981:
Not sure what you are on about.

First off V4A turns the quad dac into an amp. So V4A will down sample the music while Android will try to up sample it.

First page of this mod says it can use the quad dac of the LG v20. Then says it's broken. I would love to know how it can use the quad dac when V4A can't.
[Android Software Development] riccetto80:
hello!

i installed ainur sauron from magisk repository and rebooted.

now, how can i be sure ainur is working really?

dont tell me "listen to music" because atm i have only the phone speakers, who are bad and mono too. lol.

i guess there is another way to check if is running and working fine.

maybe an app who give info about audio part of android system?

a way to check the running process and see ainur process running in android memory?

anything?
[Android Software Development] gehess:
OK, I won't. :D

You could, of course, try searching the thread, as this gets answered regularly. Sometimes by me, like this:

From a handful of pages ago (which were copied from earlier pages):

And now you don't have to really search the thread either. You're welcome. ;)
[Android Software Development] riccetto80:
well i read some pages of this tread, but not all +450, lol.

i tried also to search on google about it, found 0 info about how to check if ainur is working.

I wonder why there is no way to check if is working, viper4andoid have the status option who tell you if the driver is loaded and if is processing the sound...

really is not possible to verify if ainur process are running in android ram, if consume battery and how much, stuff like this?

the dev of ainur never talked about add a feature to check if ainur is really working?
[Android Software Development] gehess:
Ainur Sauron isn't an app. To my understanding it changes system files, so there's no dedicated way to check if Sauron specifically is consuming battery, utilising CPU, etc.

The main dev of Sauron is UltraM8, who (as I mentioned in my post) has said previously to "use getprop to see which new props are used from Sauron". Not to mention the suggestion by LazerL0rd I posted, who is also a dev. Have you tried any of them?

If the rest of my suggestions are insufficient, then maybe you're looking for a more fully featured audio processing suite. Sauron is an experimental audio mod that's small in size but significant in audible results. The devs have experimented to bring Sauron to the public. The public then need to experiment to see if Sauron works on their device(s). I think due to the differences between devices there can't be a working/not-working indicator that's reliable for all devices.
[Android Software Development] riccetto80:
well i dont have a male to male audio cable and i dont know how to read and analyze the "props" using getprops in android.

guess i will keep as it is now, installed in magisk and hope is really working.

thanks for the infos!
[Android Software Development] DaveedDB:
Also it's mostly for headphones ,speakers work as well but the difference is less pronounced
[Android Software Development] LazerL0rd:
If only we could pin messages here...
[Android Software Development] yochananmarqos:
What do you think the OP is?
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
He's one of the Devs, also, it was sarcasm ...
[Android Software Development] gehess:
Sarcasm? I'm pretty sure LazerL0rd's wish is sincere. And seconded! :laugh:
[Android Software Development] LazerL0rd:
I mean other ones. Like when me and the rest of the Ainur Team explain how to check if it's working. Users won't read an essay-long OP. This thread is evidant of that.

"Reserved posts" could work but it's still a long scroll down. IF we had it like TG with a little thing at the top of the page linking a particular post that would be good.

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Yes, it was also sarcastic since ppl aren't searching for answers before they ask.
[Android Software Development] veez21:
You can actually, but needs to be a devdb thread.
[Android Software Development] johnkevin123:
hey,

i installed ainur sauron on my xiaomi redmi note 4 snapdragon today (newest version of resurrection remix installed).

after the installation of sauron via twrp, i cant play any mp3/ringphone/whatsappsound anymore. in a media player for example, it automatically scrolles through every song very fast and not a single one will be played

any help is very welcome!

thx!

i deinstalled sauron and it seems my audio drivers crashed?!

.....i flashed a new rom, installed the gapps and checked the sound: IT WORKS!

but after installation of ainur sauron it seems like the sound drivers are corrupt/deleted?!
[Android Software Development] uudruid74:
What you fail to realize is that quad has nothing whatsoever to do with the sample rate. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

What do you mean turning it back into an amp? DAC is digital to analog converter. Do you know what that means? You can't turn a DAC into an amp. However, for most cell phones, the jack is the amp because it's class D; look up class D amplifier.

Now Define what you mean by use. If sound comes out it, it is using it.
[Android Software Development] BROKEN1981:
Dude seriously you have no clue to what you are talking about.

If you care to learn something then here.

https://xdaforums.com/v20/themes/increase-lg-v20-hi-fi-dac-quality-t3724489

Anything else at this point is pretty much pointless.
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
You know that those props are for qualcomm codec only, right? That guy you are referring to in that link is retarded af.
[Android Software Development] IOque:
working fine with my MM 2, good job dev:good:
[Android Software Development] BROKEN1981:
Actually they aren't, so you must be retarded af

You must know better then everyone on headfi
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
Those offload props can be found only on qualcomm cpu's, since those are required for hexagon to process it's effects and/or for general offload of stream to Aqstic codec. Other platforms doesn't do that by props, using pure kernel code for compress offload operation. Those have nothing to do with lg quad dac at all, as they use mixer to control ESS playback.

If that dude, or headfiers will point to kernel sources, where we can clearly see that lg's are using those to offload streams to quad dac through qualcomm backends, I'd be happy to change my mind.
[Android Software Development] BROKEN1981:
That I can respect, but calling someone retarded is just not nice.
[Android Software Development] s8m:
[MENTION=5631635]BROKEN1981[/MENTION] please refrain from using this word. https://www.r-word.org/mobile/article.aspx?id=26219
[Android Software Development] BROKEN1981:
Go tell that to the OP, not me
[Android Software Development] beautifulsun:
How does it work with LG V20? It downgrade stock DAC? What ROM/mod you recommend to pair for the best audio response?
[Android Software Development] uudruid74:
If you can't hear it, uninstall it. Kinda pointless to have it if you can't hear the difference, and you won't on phone speakers

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https://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v20-quad-dac-explained-713587/

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I would believe the second statement to be true
[Android Software Development] BROKEN1981:
If you are on stock LG ROM, then don't use this mod.

If you are on a custom ROM like LOS, then use this mod since custom ROM's can't use the quad dac.

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Highly doubt it.

The OP hasn't a clue on what he is talking about. Same as you.

Also your link to AA does nothing for you.
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
It forces some parameters of the dac. Use only stock roms.
[Android Software Development] beautifulsun:
Ok. Another question: is AINUR compatible with external DAC plugged to the phone (like AudioQuest Dragonfly)?
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
Thats a question to device & phone manufacturer
[Android Software Development] bick:
Not sure my self, but a good player that really does use external

DACs and plays HD music in 'Onkyo HF Player' (on Playstore) the paid version is quite good, but GUI lacks a bit, check it out and see if that's what you are looking for.

I used this app with no Ainur on basic Chinese phone and homemade external USB DAC and it sounded great, I suspect the phone was only acting as a file server, the app did the rest.

Got my DAC connected to my hifi now. Using HCT10 with Ainur and Onkyo HF Player...brilliant!
[Android Software Development] uudruid74:
If you don't respect the developer of the mod, why are you here? And you haven't articulated exactly what you don't agree with, only that everyone is full of **** except you. You might want to think about that
[Android Software Development] riccetto80:
this is not a good way of thinking, for exsample:

"if you cant notice the battery increase without check the battery stats, uninstall force doze app, you dont really need it!"

can be applied to a lot of stuff in a bad way...

Imho, always better to have a precise indicator/stats/something to tell you if something is working or not.
[Android Software Development] gehess:
Except, AFAIK the only point of using Sauron is that you can hear the difference. It does nothing else; it isn't a system optimiser that helps your device whether you notice it helping or not.

I think you might be making a false equivalency.
[Android Software Development] riccetto80:
also the point to force doze is to have a better battery life = have the battery last longer, if you dont feel the difference using the phone then why install a force doze app?

to me not seems at all a false equivalency, the same way of thinking is applied to both.

com on people, is so difficult to agree a simple message "driver working correctly and processing sound" is a good thing to have???

Viper for android have it, even if is possible to turn on and off and listen on the spot the difference, while keep playing the same song (with sauron you must flash it and restart the telephone to test it out).
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
You can't compare application with a system-wide modification
[Android Software Development] senny22:
As Narsil isn't available just yet, is it possible to download and still use the Nero mod for now to use with my USB DAC/Amp.
[Android Software Development] gehess:
As well as what UltraM8 said, there's too many variables with a force doze app (such as age of the battery, type of device, type of ROM, system mods, amount of apps, etc.) that it may be optimizing your battery without you noticing vs only one variable with Sauron, i.e. can you hear a difference.

I think I've explained this to you previously. Remember me saying "I think due to the differences between devices there can't be a working/not-working indicator that's reliable for all devices."

Just because you wish really hard for something, doesn't mean reality has to agree. ;)
[Android Software Development] uudruid74:
Because it's not a driver and it doesn't process sound. It modifies the configuration of the device.
[Android Software Development] cpete2112:
If you use ainur for your android and you are on forum you should respect their work and knowledge on subject, they are even helping/teaching users bout specific devices they are not using. Respect how much of their lives and time spent on developing things nobody has done or thought of before, if not get lost, go kick rocks. Imo anyway.

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I have an lg v20 too, and it was pretty obvious after 1st question dude had know idea what his quad does or is, nor did i precisely anyway when i 1st started using my phone, and still wouldnt call myself an expert on any of this stuff. Until I have an absolute complete understanding of everyrhing completely w/o any doubts I would call myself an expert but there are things that dont interest me so that will never happen. Learning Linux sucks. Lol
[Android Software Development] BabyDoll315:
Actually it's pretty obvious he knew what a quad dac is. V4A can't work with it.

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Reading the back and fourth from both of you, it's easy to understand he can't articulate himself. He also happens to be correct and you need a bit more experience.

BTW Dev, nice mod.
[Android Software Development] showgood163:
[MENTION=6366997]UltraM8[/MENTION]

Thanks for your great work!

I don't know whether it's proper to request a feature here, however, could you please add 384KHz (or even higher) resample rate support?
[Android Software Development] xXCoolGuYXx:
Are there any other add-ons besides this one's ?
[Android Software Development] Ringo1989:
I want to try this mod on my op5t (oos). Does it need magisk permissive module? Can I install it with magisk's V4A module?
[Android Software Development] jcmm11:
Different device but:

does not need permissive

V4A should be fine but you'll also need AML (needed anytime you have multiple unity sound mods).

https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/mod-audio-modification-library-t3745466
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
Pixel (2 & XL), Essential users - i do remember you've some sorts of issues with audio & with booting. I need any valuable info and logs from you asap)
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
Everything seems to be working great for me on my 2XL. I can grab a log if you need one though. Just tell me what you want.
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
User on telegram said everything is ok, so i guess nvm)
[Android Software Development] LazerL0rd:
Especially if on the P DPs.

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Not from Ainur.
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
I'm on DP4 on my 2XL and everything seems fine, but as I said before, I'll grab a log if you tell me what you want.
[Android Software Development] crackerjack1957:
Would you happen to have Dolby Atmos Oreo working also on that Pixel 2XL?

I"m still on the older Pixel XL & was thinking of moving to the newer Pixel 2XL if same music mods (Ainur & Dolby) worked.

Thanks
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
I just use Sauron and V4A. (And AML of course)
[Android Software Development] crackerjack1957:
Use V4A also, using Dolby Oreo with Surround Virtualizer & Open Intelligent Equalizer @ 0dB ticked only.

It does make a difference!
[Android Software Development] BringerORainX1:
Does anyone else hear a crackling sound after installing? I turned off all sound except for media volume on my android box but still get a crackling sound when starting a video or sometimes while scrolling through apps.
[Android Software Development] Bart93pl:
I have buzzing noise for a second or two each time after phone stops making sounds. For example, I stop the video on YouTube and the speaker is making strange buzz for few seconds. Uninstalling magisk module removes the issue. Any idea how to keep ainur and get rid of this strange sound?
[Android Software Development] BringerORainX1:
I haven't found a solution other than uninstalling either. It's not a make or break problem, just a little annoying. Maybe it will get fixed in a future update.
[Android Software Development] xXCoolGuYXx:
Oh like what then bro ?
[Android Software Development] xxxreyxxx:
Same issue here on all miui based rom
[Android Software Development] Ibanez33:
I will test on essential (P beta 3) and confirm if not will get logs.
[Android Software Development] LazerL0rd:
I believe [MENTION=6366997]UltraM8[/MENTION] can be able to tell you which logs we need exactly. But [MENTION=7277512]mweinbach[/MENTION] has been having a problem with booting on his P Preview'd Essential. Once a full boot completes his phone immediately shuts down.

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Like I mean any AML audio mod can be used with Sauron :p
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
Updated to DP5 now, still running without issue. [MENTION=6366997]UltraM8[/MENTION] let me know if you're still interested in logs.
[Android Software Development] Ibanez33:
Have tested on Essential and still getting a bootloop. Boots to unlock screen and freezes then reboots.

Got a logcat from as soon as I could during the boot till it gave up on me.

Have also tested sauron MKIII and the same thing happens.
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
MKIII public beta is on our telegram, guys :)
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
Flashed Sauron on S7 Oreo with system supersu but there were no related files in the /system/su.d or /su/su.d, no related build.prop tweaks in the terminal!

Please add support for system Supersu?
[Android Software Development] Zackptg5:
Without logs and basic troubleshooting, we can't help you
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
I disabled logcat via build.prop, u may wanna check out installation script?
[Android Software Development] jcmm11:
Assuming SuperSU-SR5 (which I highly recommend if you run SuperSU) that would be /sbin/supersu/su.d/

And even if you turned off logcat installation logs from TWRP should still be available. If you didn't save the log while in TWRP then look in /cache/recovery/ (this, of course, assumes you haven't run TWRP since then).
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
It's not SuperSU-SR5, there's no folder on /sbin/ folder just files, some guy found a way to make the regular Supersu work on Oreo and even update binaries right from the app.

Don't have TWRP using flashfire, I have flashed other mods since then.
[Android Software Development] simondd:
I got ZTE Axon 7 with Hellsgate X12 kernel and I'm already installed this via Magisk with Viper + AML. Now DAC in my deviace is active or I have to do something more?
[Android Software Development] jcmm11:
IIRC Flashfire log is found in /sdcard/Flashfire/
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
[MENTION=6037748]Zackptg5[/MENTION]

Here's the log for the errors or failed installation
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
[MENTION=6366997]UltraM8[/MENTION]

I have the logs attached above, please take a look cuz I'm missing out on the "high perf mode" :crying:
[Android Software Development] Rryann22:
After flashing, should there be also an app installed along with the mod?
[Android Software Development] greyhd:
No, but you should be able to hear the difference.
[Android Software Development] Rryann22:
Either there's no difference or it's minimal. I can't notice any compared to stock
[Android Software Development] crackerjack1957:
Difference is on wired headphones not phone speakers.

Not sure about bluetooth headphones & or speakers, anyone want to comment on the bluetooth part
[Android Software Development] Rryann22:
I tested in the car with an aux cable
[Android Software Development] yochananmarqos:
It works great via Bluetooth in my car and with earbuds.
[Android Software Development] greyhd:
I second this. I definitely hear a difference.
[Android Software Development] xXCoolGuYXx:
Oh I hope he get complete boot soon and it stop shutting down on him
[Android Software Development] bassguy60:
Where do I find the MKIII beta on the Telegram site?
[Android Software Development] DanGLES3:
Telegram is not a website its a messaging app,MKIII Is released in the ainur audio telegram group
[Android Software Development] bassguy60:
Link to the Ainur Audio Telegram invite?
[Android Software Development] DanGLES3:
https://t.me/ainuraudio
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
[MENTION=6366997]UltraM8[/MENTION] [MENTION=6037748]Zackptg5[/MENTION]

Sauron failed to install on S7 Oreo with system supersu, provided installation logs 2 days ago but none said a thing about it
[Android Software Development] bassguy60:
Thank you. However, I get the message "Sorry, this chat is no longer accessible".
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
Link is in the OP
[Android Software Development] Rryann22:
Seeing as no other sound mod works, I guess this is a ROM issue I don't want to flash another one just yet.

Can a kernel conflict with sound mods? Not letting them work properly ?

L.E: Kernel's not at fault

So, any tips on what could be going on? And how I can fix the issue of sound mods not working? Either FCs or no difference in sound whatsoever and sometimes a bootloop (the bl might be my fault)
[Android Software Development] slimcyril:
Could you or someone upload the MKlll beta on here?
[Android Software Development] yochananmarqos:
That's the correct link, it works for me.

Join the Telegram group if you want to test it.
[Android Software Development] chikimonke:
I imagine if they wanted posted here they would have done so already. If you can't or don't want to join the TG group, just wait for the official release. I'm personally holding off until the final release myself.
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
So I've looked through log & it's filled with errors, now the thing is that some of those are "normal" to stock behavior and some are the issue with the mod. That would be pain to determine which are fine and stockish & define which are sauron issue. The only way is try debugging the mod, with removing it's props, but since it reboots immediately, we have a problem here
[Android Software Development] UltraM8:
Logs didn't say anything. We'll look into installer when we have time for it.
[Android Software Development] 3lMghraby:
hey

can I use this module to get stereo speaker soundmod for oneplus 5t

dual mono I mean
[Android Software Development] Maximaro:
Are it possible to tune the Hz from 440hz to 432hz?

Maybe with standalone mod. or even with JamesDSP?

If Yes i would downgrade from Android P DP5 to stable working Pixel Expirence.

For me it sounds way better. Because 440hz alias normal version is way harsher and hard in the sound and 432hz is waayyy smoother and more natural, means i like to listen this one more.

For example these 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flOuxXetceE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-mE2ZB4wmU
[Android Software Development] beautifulsun:
Is this mod compatible with an external DAC?
[Android Software Development] yochananmarqos:
Does it say anywhere in the OP you can?

Yes. Search the thread, there has been discussions about it.
[Android Software Development] Sytis:
You can force a sampling rate in the user options if that is what you mean
[Android Software Development] PXN:
They are trying to do this https://ask.audio/articles/music-theory-432-hz-tuning-separating-fact-from-fiction there is a player on play store for it "432 Player"
[Android Software Development] beautifulsun:
Can't find anything, only the Dev saying that's a DAC manifacturer business. What could change with the debut of Narsil?