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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Hi, We are now in the realms of pure fantasy. This is the MO of 'Trusted reviews'. The Note 7 has been delayed for release in several countries due to over demand. Only time will tell if the unit is a success or otherwise. To date its hell even trying to get one.

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] steno_c:
Just to let you know, here in Italy the main internet and data services providers do not even know what a note 7 is... No offer...

just the main chain of stores selling are proposing something...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mocsab:
right. And LBJ killed Kennedy - Marilyn Monroe was killed by the CIA and the Government is hiding the existance of Aliens to avoid mass riots.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lisbon2004:
Samsung PR tells you it is "due to over demand", and you believe it.

i wouldn't, as you can't really verify it.

as i read from the forums, the 2nd biggest operator here has been given only 1000 Note 7s for the whole country. This is nothing.

The strategy is the following:

1) you dedicate miserable quantity of the product for pre-sale;

2) it gets reserved quickly (as the amount is MISERABLY LOW);

3) you declare "all pre-sale done!!! huge success!! over demand!!!"

4) naive people, and those that do not question PR gimmicks, believe it, and rush to buy...

i repeat, Note 7, grossly overpriced at 850 EUR, with unwanted curved screen, non-removable battery, mediocre RAM amount, and with the screen that scratches easily, is NOT going to sell like hot cakes, NOT AT ALL.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
The majority of reviews I've read (and I've read a lot) have been overwhelmingly positive. Forbes was tough on the Note7 but Forbes' opinion on technology isn't incredibly valid. AnandTech's biggest issue was lack of symmetry because the cutouts for the cameras and ports weren't aligned with each other. If that's all a tough grading uber-technical site like AnandTech can fault then the Note7 must be pretty good.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lisbon2004:
question more. here's an example:

PC World: Samsung Galaxy Note 7 review

A stunning screen and a stylus aren’t enough to justify the ridiculous price tag of this buggy phone
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Señor Sjon:
My car comparison was in reply to your statement on where the Note 7 stands. ,) So far, the phone is overpriced due to lack of competition. No one else has a stylus.

While the Note series used to be on his own as the autumn offering introduced at the IFA, they rushed the N5 in 2015. There and then, the Note line ceased and the third S variant started. We got the S6E+ which is now heavily discounted. Discarding the SD card and only offering 32 GB versions at a steep price proved to be its undoing.

And I know rumours are rumours, but most of them weren't farfetched for a top of the line phone for the second half of the year. Imo Samsung is too busy watching what Apple does.

Europe didn't even get the Note 5, so the Note 7 is the first available upgrade for N3/N4 users. That is bound to get some orders in. Also, Samsung has the habit of giving feee stuff in favor of slashing prices and to prevent stores getting cheaper parallel imported phones. Only authorized reselleds with the correct CSC will give you freebies. But they are confident now, so we get nothing, while the US, UK and Germany get promotions.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] jasjk:
remember fox and sour grapes story!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Señor Sjon:
Erm... ? No clue what you are talking about.

Another thing I read online is that many Apple users are disappointed that the i7 will be a i6ss and no real upgrade, hence they want to try a high end Android.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Itchiee:
The story concerns a fox that tries to eat grapes from a vine but cannot reach them. Rather than admit defeat, he states they are undesirable.

The expression "sour grapes" originated from this fable.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mocsab:
I responded originally because it all seemed so silly to me - it has now eclipsed silly and become ridiculous. At the end of the day, we all know where you stand - but those of us who are going to buy the Note 7 will but it -regardless. Not because of anything Apple did or didnt do.

I have purchased every flagship that Samsung has released since the Note 2 (if you can call that a flagship) and I have been very pleased with each phone - each time - as much as I am sure I will be pleased with the Note 7 and the S8 when it comes out.

You can buy one if you want - or not if you don't - but whatever you decide to do, I hope you enjoy life
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Señor Sjon:
Ah. The expression in the Netherlands is a bit different. In Dutch it is: 'de druiven zijn zuur' (the grapes are sour) and it means some injustice has been done to you. For example the Dutch women in field hockey were far stronger than the British team in the Olympic final, yet they still lost the match because the Brits scored 3 of their 4 chances in the whole game.

Point is, the whole summer release and nomenclature in recent years is based on the competition against Apple.

Note 5: earlier release, so no CPU upgrade to be ahead of the iPhone 6s plus.

Note 7: still an early release with the same specs as S7. Now even the Note 6 name is skipped so it will not be lower than the iPhone 7.

The Note series has been 'downgraded' towards the S line to battle the big screened iPhones. Yet, they adopt Apples price point unfortunately.

I've owned the S2, S4 and now the Note 3. The S4 had me very annoyed by the slippery back, so I was glad the Note 3 had the grip like the S2 back (in some sense). Odds are I'll buy the Note 7, but while it was a sure buy at first, I'm not so sure now.

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Edit: The Note 3 was also expensive at € 749,- with a free S-View cover and after a few months was also available with free 64 GB SD-Card (just like the S4, so I had 2 of those cards) and with a € 125 cashback. So while the pricepoint always has been steep, they softened the blow by giving ~150-175 worth of freebies with the phone. None of it now around here.

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To bring this back on topic, reviewers are damn right why they question the high price. Most of the tech is from end 2015, early 2016.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] steno_c:
I agree with you.

I noticed this change of course for N serie.

As stated before, now Note is just an S serie complement.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
Great analogy, and I understood it. Samsung had two device lines - the premium S-line, and the more premium Note-line. They've always shared internals to some degree. The Note-line lead in terms of h/w and feature upgrades every fall the S-line got those improvements (or its own) in the spring. Ironically the newer better Note-line had a lower version number than the less premium S-line. (Note5 vs. S6).

That approach was confusing, especially to non-XDA'rs who don't closely follow phone releases. It's also expensive because the Note and S were two distinctly different products. With the pressure Samsung's under because the market's saturated and with near-premium phones becoming more popular they decided to rationalize their product line. Now there are Samsung's "2016 phones." The S-series which launched in the spring and Note-series that launched in the fall. There are also near identical feature and h/w wise with S Pen being the biggest differentiator (which is how the Note-series started in the first place).

It is what it is and if Samsung's new approach makes the Note-series less appealing to you buy another phone.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] @home:
If it doesn't float your boat don't buy it, simple as.

So many people whinged about the note 5 saying it wasn't as good as the note 4, utter tosh.

I had both & the note 4 belongs in the past. The N5 was better, much better.

Ive had mine since launch and it's never missed a beat. Way better than my note 4.

No IR blaser, so what. No removable battery, meh.

I'm sure the N7 will be a fantastic piece of kit.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Señor Sjon:
It helped if the Note 5 was available here...

Buy another phone... difficult one. Every phone seems to have at least one critical downside in the phablet market. Missing the S-pen is one, but onscreen buttons (Mate 8, LG V10, 6P), no OLED (Mate 8, V10) or poor availability (ZTE Axon, Asus Zenfone 3 DL, Motorola Z Force, O+3) another. I would love a 6,0" screen, but it just isn't available.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BableMan:
There are brand new surface 4 tablets selling for hundreds of dollars less than these things, that leads to interesting ideas around value ;)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
They are selling Samsung Galaxy S111 here also the Sony Xperia Z. Both less than half what I paid for them when I bought them as flagship mobiles years ago. Whats your point? In 5 years the Note 7 will also be around 350€.....again whats your point?

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BableMan:
What's my point that a current generation 12.3 inch full windows 10 i5 tablet costs 300$ less than this 5.7 inch android device? You're right, there's probably no point to made here.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
the price is quite high for what it is, but I am still getting one as I like the phone, so really the price is a negative, but one that is countered by some other stuff depending how you choose to look at the device.

as for the tablet comparison, tablets have always been cheaper than their mobile counterparts, while the technology may not be different or be better in the tablet the price difference you are paying for is the component size, it's the exact same reason laptops cost more than desktops, you are paying for portability and reduced size.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
1) Screen is expensive. Replacement cost is $270.

2) iPhone 6+ is like the same price. No one complains about that price and it's an inferior device, feature-wise.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
from where I stand apple is the very definition of over priced, the problem is it is the "cool" device so most reviewers will overlook it, because everyone know famous people use apple so it will make you more popular.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mxmarcus:
All you have to do is wait until the holidays and get the same phone at half price.

I want the Note 7 (I don't need it), my current Nexus is working great but I want the Chinese version or any international version with dual sim
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Seriously! You are comparing a phablet mobile with a tablet? Absurd. why not compare a Boeing 747 to a Cunard luxury ship? Behave yourself and play nicely. :highfive:

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
That is certainly not the case in Europe plus why are you trying to compare apples with oranges as a price comparison? :silly: You do understand the difference between a tablet and a mobile phone don't you? :fingers-crossed:
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mrnovanova:
And it's OK for the 64gb iPhone 6s plus to be 1150$ Canadian almost one year after release because apple, unlike Android OEMs, don't allow providers to slash prices. Smh...

Sent from my note 7, my pixel C or my oneplus 3 depending on how I'm feeling!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Traqic:
I think what many reviews fail to realize when it comes to the note 7 is the market.

Apple's iPhone 7 is coming under a lot of fire because there is no new "innovation" (let's be honest they don't really innovate) and the new lineup isn't worth the upgrade. Couple that with the fact that iPhone hardware and software, while optimized because of the ecosystem, is really quite behind you really do pay a premium to be an iPhone user.

Onto the Note 7 we see a UI that further resembles the iPhone, a much more solidly built and premium device, the latest features, the latest hardware, refinement, security and options.

I would sooner spend 850 on a note than on an apple product that does not give me nearly enough to justify my purchase other than being overpriced luxury. On top of being a great device, it's one that's built to take the market. iPhone users are becoming more aware that their money is being spent better elsewhere, Samsung hopes on their line.

Personally, I've always liked the note series but I keep my phone for about 2 years. When they made something I didn't like, I jumped ship to fulfill my needs at the time. Now I'm back and quite happy. As a consumer your voice is your pocket. Don't like something, don't buy it. It really is that simple. The reason we by these phones is because we love the features, Touchwiz had gotten much better and Samsung had been a huge innovator in the android space, many of the "newest features" on android have come from touchwiz.

Is it an extensive phone? Yes. I like mine and I appreciate what it let's me do. I think my money is well spent for a device that I will keep for 2 years plus. I'm not going to settle for another device with features (hardware and software wise) that I am not completely happy with. I could get a faster processor by 5% or a bigger battery by 5% and lose out on the s pen, the better screen, better camera etc. Everything has a trade-off.

Be comfortable with your purchase. Don't like it, take it back and get something you are more comfortable with. Don't let reviews sway your decision. There is always something better right around the corner, that's just the nature of the market.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BableMan:
I'm comparing a large piece of cutting edge tech to a small piece of cutting edge tech... More like comparing big oranges to little oranges.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Belimawr:
not really you are making the same comparison as comparing a laptop to a desktop, the laptop will always be considerably more expensive for less as you are paying for the fact that someone has worked out a way to cram all that technology into such a small shell. in a phone space comes at a premium so every single component needs more precision engineering and fitment in order to make the device fit in the case. so if you think on a 10 inch screen to a 5inch screen you lose half of the space for components.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] lisbon2004:
we don't really care how much Iphone costs.

Samsung is not apple, and comparing note 4 to iphone used to be hilarious due to poor specs and features of the iphone.

i see, it's no longer the case with Note 7.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] RealEvil:
Pointless to compare iPhone prices with Android - even the Note 7. If you want iOS, you have to buy an iPhone. If you want Android, you have options - and the cheaper models are getting good. A OP3 for example is objectively better than the Note 7 in some ways, and objectively worse than it in others. But.. its overall similar.

Samsung are doing the right thing by targeting people who don't care about price with the S7 Edge/Note 7 as it helps bolster their less profitable mid range offerings.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] winol:
dont like the price? look somewhere else, xiaomi, huawei, elephone, oneplus, and stop whinning, get what you think is worth the money you want to pay, but, dont look at crapple, even more expensive over rated enslaved devices
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
Anything priced at a premium is divisive. A similar class Honda and BMW do the same things, with the same specs, and can be equipped with similar features. People who buy BMWs aren't idiots they see the value in the extra engineering, higher grade parts and materials and yes, to a certain degree, the prestige of "driving a BMW." Many Honda purchaser would think paying that premium is ridiculous because both cars "do the same thing."

Anyone buying a Samsung flagship who hasn't been living under a rock knows pseudo-flagships from the Chinese "do the same thing" for 20-50% less. I'm willing to pay the premium for the overall package a Samsung flagship delivers and that includes after-sale support. Some purchasers won't look past the 20-50% savings and will buy Chinese. That's what's great about the free market. There's a product for every niche.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Z-Blade:
The number 1 reason why I havent gone out and brought a Note 7 is solely because of the price, I personally think its too high even for a high end, can do everything smartphone. I am from Australia and the Note 7 cost $1300 here where the S7 Edge is going for $820, this is a huge difference in price. (yes I understand the S7E is about 6 months old).

Unlike a fruit company I will not mention, prices of Android phones starts droping in price within a month or two. So I am going to wait when it drops $200-$300 and then wait on eBay to have one of those 20% off Electronics sales they do 3-4 times a year. This is when I will upgrade my S4 to the Note 7.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] ubl:
I agree the price of the Note 7 is high ($1050 CAD) but Samsung sweetened the deal with bonuses for me. They gave me $200 trade in discount (any kind of trade in including dumb phone without battery) and choice of Bluetooth speaker or gear fit2. So I ended up paying $650 USD (plus tax) and got a Bluetooth speaker.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] winol:
yes, many complain about price, but , samsung gave some good gifts!!! I got a VR
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
To me moaning about the price is like buying a Bentley then moaning your VW Golf is much cheaper! Absurd situation. If an individual finds the note 7 too expensive buy another brand or model. As in most things we get what we pay for.

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Gary02468:
A good review mentions all of a product's significant features and drawbacks, including price. It's then up to each potential customer to weigh the advantages against the disadvantages and decide whether to purchase.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] winol:
exactly so! my point all the time, I agree wholeheartdly with you, gary and ryland !
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] fortesquieu:
If it's overpriced, then don't buy, why complain? lol
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] winol:
well, I am realizing something, In some markets, the difference of prices is higher between s7 and n7…

in mexico the difference is only around 40 dollars, now I can understand why some complain so loud, in some places de difference is as high as 200 dollars or more!!!!!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] radioraheem2:
who is complaining though? the OP keeps referring to reviewers, but that's THEIR JOB to mention every aspect of the product so the consumer can make the decision. i don't see actual Note 7 owners saying "oh i just got this ... but i don't like how expensive it is."

The OP's original post is illogical. Reviewers should mention the price, and that there are $400 phones out there that will more than satisfy the needs of 95% of the average smartphone user in the world.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
Agreed :good: BUT that is not what is happening. If we take the latest iteration from the fruity brand not one review has written that their two new mobiles are over priced, The reviewers do as you write and just mention at the end the price. Why should the Note 7 be constantly referred to as too expensive? Its not in the lest expensive in relative terms no more than a super car is expensive.

No one questions the established pricing of the fruity brand, its a given they will be the most expensive mobiles on the market. Again why should the Note 7 cost less as it does?

BTW if ever there was a brand that is over priced its.......Need I write more. :good: I have just been subjective lol.

A professional reviewer should be as neutral as possible and avoid being subjective. I even take exception to comments on the aesthetics as its so subjective. Don't start me off when reviews start banding about

the best

That is ultra subjective. The reason we have hundreds of mobile phones to choose from is because we all have different requirements and tastes not to mention budgets and aesthetic ideals.

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
NO. Its a reviewers professional job to review and comment on their findings. If they write the Note 7 costs 880€ fine, they don't. They write the Note 7 is too expensive! That's a subjective comment and unfounded. Some have even said it should be 100 or 200€ less?

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] j_hansen:
The price here in Ireland before the recall was 899 Euro, to be honest I do think that is a bit to rich for a phone ( ok it is a lot more than just a phone ) but it is the reason I have decided to wait a couple of months or even x-mas to wait for deals to start popping up.

At least the recall have made the wait easier and will likely help with better deals as Samsung will want to push sales before year end.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Gary02468:
Notice that the price addressed by that review was $1395. I don't know where the review got that figure, but I can't fault the reviewer for calling that price ridiculous.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
May I ask you if you find the fruity brand too expensive or do you just think the Note 7 is too expensive? Thanks.

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] j_hansen:
I always thought the "fruity brand" was over hyped so have never owned one, have stuck to the Note series since Note 2, had 3 and now 4 as I decided to skip the 5 for various reasons, I know I'll end up with the Note 7 but just waiting a bit to get a better deal, hopefully before x-mas or black friday
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Ryland Johnson:
I have just looked online for the price and its $850 that's $545 LESS than quoted by that reviewer. :eek::rolleyes:

Ryland
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] bonerp:
I think the Note7 is bordering on pricing itself above itself, but compare to the fruity brand or even the Pixel XL... My note 7 is a flipping bargain! More functionality a better overall experience (I use with Samsung tablet and TV so it just works for me).

Compared to upcoming chinese brands any others from that part of the world, Samsung prices are high so need to ensure they don't get caught with their draws down (whilst they are pulling ours down! Huawei and others are close to building great looking phones with the power to match Samsung.

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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] damponting44:
Skipped note 5, no microsd support, no alterable battery.

I utilize an established and modded note 3. It works fine. Also, spen is an unquestionable requirement. Beyond any doubt a business portable.

Be that as it may, more smash, for me ought to be extremely valuable. More gadget, all the more long notes, more screens opened, additionally multitasking...

Furthermore, to associate straightforwardly to an outside hard circle right now, only a fantasy.

When note arrangement was the genuine samsung lead, clearly as I would like to think.

You acquired a note to get an equipment which would be acquired by the following S arrangement... So an equipment going on for 6/8 months...up to date... What's more, you paid it a considerable measure.

Presently you're correct, note is only a complement...same s arrangement hardware...it takes after the s arrangement, however it keeps spen...

So I think it ought to have the same s arrangement price...it comes a couple of months after the fact with its same harware...

I am not squandering my vitality on the negative, talking here, and value your courteous talking as well, I simply do whatever it takes not to squander my cash...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Shofar1:
Honda vs BMW

I'll take a Honda any day.

My CRV is 16 years old. Runs like a champ.

Will go anywhere and sits me a little higher up to see the road.

Perhaps my best car ever.

50+ years of cars.

Shofar1
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] winol:
well shofar1, good for you, but then respect all those who prefer more satisfactory things, I would never criticize someone that can buy a lambo or a ferrari, so, everybody is happy in its own niche, that is all…… .
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] lord2654:
My dopod 900 have no directdraw.

How to solve this problem?