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[Xperia Z3 Compact General] romcio47:
Hold your org@sms, people...

I think it's not a final word from them... remember that original Xperia Z received the updates being 2 years old. Just relax and wait, maybe they'll change their mind.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] difto:
I don't see it having developer builds and not the final one
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] BrotherZero:
What option do we have for longtime support for Z3 Compact? There is no official Cyanogen mod support either?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] johnblaze00:
This sucks. Just bought another z3 because I smashed the screen on my last one. Still my all time fave Android phone.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Depump:
i used sonymobile 3 product

play no upgrade to 4

SP no upgrade to 4.4

and last z3c no upgrade to 7 due to use cpu 32 bit

i think next mobile is Nexus Sailfish

but i waiting see xperia XR if it has speed shutter

may be buy sony again hahahaha
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] pekingG:
This is from concept google+ community:

Regarding Nougat Android 7.0 update

We know that you all hoped for a N release and we really wanted to give you one but instead we have to tell you that we won't be able to. :(

The reasons are both technical and legal. If you followed the N Developer Preview program you know that we didn't release the final DP5. That program ran into some unforeseen limitations (1) that could not be resolved.

This is the reason that both concept and official won't be upgraded to Android N (2).

(1) https://developer.sony.com/2016/07/...ed-for-xperia-z3/comment-page-2/#comment-1025

(2) http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/﻿
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] bilboa1:
must sux for the sony devs. looks like they tried to pull it off but execs came and said no.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] yoorie016:
Please read again the link, it says and i quote,

"We’ve been working hard to bring this major update to as many of our devices as possible, as quickly as we can. We’re really excited about the new Sony features & functionality and the improvements we’ve made to the user experience – and we’ll be sharing more soon… so stay tuned to the blog and [MENTION=5448027]SonyMobile[/MENTION]News for all the latest news on timings and features."

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/...id-7-0-nougat/
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] difto:
Seems that Google removed the support for Snapdragon 800/801 from the Kernel, that's what they call unforeseen limitations (the Nexus 5, Snapdragon 800 don't get the update either).
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] istux:
Such an unpopular decision for a very popular device, like z3(c). :eek:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] DigitalDreamer:
Can someone please pin these in the main post?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Yasin.Dogan:
Maybe its because of chipset is X86
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] -Zteam-:
Well.... Z3 and Z3 Compact doesn't use any X86 chipset, it uses a arm-based chipset (Snapdragon 801 namely), and the reason Sony can't bring the upgrade to the Z3 and Z3 Compact is becuase Google removed support for the Snapdragon 801.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] mqmq0:
Samsung claims that they will bring the update to S5, which uses the very same processor. How come?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] luxpast:
I really want to see that. The false promises of samsung are the reason why I gave up with that brand. Still waiting for whatsapp on the Samsung Bada Os of S8500, Samsung Wave...and yes, bada Os is still growing, already overcome iOS and it's reaching Android!! ah no...wait...reality is different...
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] techguyone:
No nougat for joooo

To be honest, it might be a blessing, with the benefit of hindsight, I'd have kept mine on KK, all subsequent releases have been worse with features cut out and the general crappiness of each new Android.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] tronjojo:
so is z5 compact the best option for a "small" phone? they tend to overheat, right?

so maybe nexus sailfish? still kinda big though?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Cirra92:
How can Samsung promise to update S5, when Qualcomm dropped support for MSM8974 platform (SD800/801), they won't release GPU drivers anymore, and Google has removed all MSM8974 related code from AOSP? QC and Google are the ones to blame for this lack of support.

And while it is easy to understand that there are already 2 new generations of phones after Z3 series, and it's 2 year old series, this is only to ensure more profit for them by forcing users to buy new devices, because the phones from 2015 were complete fail due to crappy SD810/808.

Only thing I feel sorry for, and blame Sony as well, is the ignorance to fix camera for AOSP, that's all we need.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fluffi444:
This is a good place to be up to date regarding this topic:

https://plus.google.com/+ZingoAndersen/posts/JfUNdx5iQhF
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fat-lobyte:
Here's a summary (the way I understand it), as to WHY NO NOUGAT:

Z3c runs on Snapdragon 800 (MSM8974)

MSM8974 has Adreno 330 GPU

Adreno 330 GPU has only support for OpenGL ES 3.0

Vulkan (a new OpenGL API) needs OpenGL ES 3.1

Official Android needs Vulkan Support (so says Google)

Android not Official -> No Play Store

Android not Official -> Sony can't publish it because it violates the agreement with Google

So this is probably how it went down:

Sony: Hey Qualcomm, maybe we can use OpenGL ES 3.0 for Vulcan?

Qualcomm: No.

Sony: Please

Qualcomm: No.

Sony: Hey Google, we can't do Vulcan. Can we still be official Android?

Google: No.

Sony: Come on man, it's just one feature. We even finished the Preview and all

Google: No. F*** off. If you try, I will sue you.

I really don't think it's Sony's fault. The good news here is that it's probably still technically feasible (they have done it!!) to make a Custom ROM.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fluffi444:
Sorry - this is only for the Germans outside... Computerbase wrote an detailed report as well....

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08...er-treiber-koennte-android-7.0-im-weg-stehen/

This makes more massive waves as expected :o
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
I'm not so good with German. Does it explain the reason or what's it about?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fluffi444:
Actaullay yes - but more or less also many estaimations. Nothing new if you read already all the stuff of this thread on XDA (and the links)

imho [MENTION=4879521]fat-lobyte[/MENTION] made a suitable conculision...

or use google translator - German to English works quite good....
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] insign:
Yes, there is http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=z3c
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] difto:
They give the same theory => Adreno-300 series do not support Vulkan but also say that other phones using Adreno 306 will be updated to Nougat (Android One smartphone using Snapdragon 410) so that we will see next week when the other manufacturers give their roadmap if the explaination is correct or not
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] mqmq0:
Any way to restore DRM keys on CM?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] difto:
There is no point in restoring the DRM keys since Cyanogen doesn't have any Sony software which use the DRM keys. Using CM will give you a much worse experience than using the official KitKat, Lollipop or Marshmallow be it for camera, battery life and general platform stability especially since there are no stable builds for the Z3C (and CM for Z3C is based on Lollipop)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] zEminho:
good seems that the sony not will go do nothing about this.

developers would be possible to make a rom based on preview with drm fix?

I see devices like the note 3 having an immense support in xda It is that Samsung does not care to note 3 to time
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fluffi444:
Main problem is that there is still no AOSP Camera which is 100% working like on stock ROMs!

That means (if you care a bit about camera - and hey... and who doesn't) only stock is an suitable choice...

But maybe this all could lead SONY to give us finally this mysterious DRM suff free available for AOSP (and get rid of other camera bugs as fish eye)... :o

If this would be availabe I'm sure plenty of customs ROMs (not stock based) will show us in up to now time.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] -Zteam-:
Well, there is a official Paranoid Android rom for the Z3 Compact, so that's at least one option, but the camera is not in the best shape for now:

http://xdaforums.com/z3-compact/orig-development/rom-t3435264

Yes, it's true, but thats only for CM 12, so it will be like going backwards in time,there is no sane reason to use such old rom these days.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] BrotherZero:
That's still on LP, bro. If we didn't get MM I doubt we'll get tasty Nougat.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] istux:
Right, man. :good:

And let's call the problem with its real name: the fish-eye bug.

As long as they don't give us the chance to fix it, there will

never ever

be a future in development for this phone. :crying:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cattolicboy:
Not with the combination of concept software + drm fix ;)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] smartuser8:
Well, when I unlock the bootloader of my phones, it's always for go in the TRUE custom world for CM, Resurrection remix, etc... not for flash again an official manufacturer rom... Unlock a phone for stay in official roms... come on guys we are on XDA! XD

And I think it's very illogic with Sony... They let us the possibility to unlock our phone, but if we do what they let us to do... the camera 'dies'... lol... just don't allow users to unlock their phone if it's kill the camera! ...

Sony philosophy: "If you want I give you the key of the car... but if you open the door, I remove a wheel!..."

So just keep your f*ing key and goodbye! (normal reaction, but in digital world we accept everything...)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] themetester:
It is not Sony's fault. Qualcomm refuses to release drivers for 800/801 devices.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] nishfrog:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/build-aosp-nougat-7-0/
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] madd0g:
Thing is, that vendors could give out DRM support for devices they don't mean to support them anymore. Let the community handle that then.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fluffi444:
Actually I cannot ready this anymore. Wake up Sony. AOSP makes only sense if you give us full functional camera....
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] E66666666:
None of the phones have Nougat binaries yet, so you might want to give them some time.

Meanwhile my slow, crappy laptop is building a Z3c image. Not that I have a phone to test it on... :(
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] -Zteam-:
Well even if they decide not to, they do atleast give the Rom community a little bit of a start, but I really hope they grant's us full access to a camera features. :)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] skinniezinho:
I think the problem is not sony but qualcomm.Other brands are affected also

https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-hardware/mobile-gaming-graphics-adreno/27936
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Cirra92:
The problem is that no one is asking for their proprietary camera features to be released (mainly BIONZ in question, that's what stops working when our TA partition gets wiped) rather just a fix for god damn reversed fish-eye bug.

I mean how hard can it be to release proper blobs, let's be realistic here, they have probably fixed that. (their employees aren't kids and amateurs)

Proper fix for that bug doesn't have anything to do with their proprietary noise reduction algorithms anyway.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] -Zteam-:
Ah, now I) get what you mean.

That's indeed a very vaild point,

However as I understand they still are developing their open camera blobs, with that said I agree, it's really a disapointment, then I decided to purchase my Z3 Compact I considered it a little bit of a bonus, that Sony was so developer-friendly, yet it seems very hard to build a ROM with decent camera support :-/
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] pajos.gabros:
I today searched on the internet and I still do not get it, why z3compact/z3 doesnt get android 7.0 Nougat - phone is strong enought.

There were 4 developer previews of Android 7.0 Nougat, but preview 5 wasn´t relase.

I rat something about missing drivers for snapdragon 800.

How is posible, that drivers for snap800 was avaible in developer preview of Android 7.0 Nougat, but they aren not avaible in stable version?

How is posible, that smarphones based on mutch weaker snapdragon4xx in Android One program gets Nougat?

Still I do not get it
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] DjowBr:
Because the gpu drivers, The Vulkan API was included only in dev preview 5 and final release. Our gpu was Not compatible with this API and Google only certificate the release from oem only with full hardware support.

The devs will try make custom 7.0 without Vulkan API and old gpu drives
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Isukthar:
According to this article, the problem for z3 compact (and many other phones) may be related to data encryption : http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-801-712930/
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] frisskiss:
I think that the big f***er in this case is Google. But Sony help him including drm keys. Yes Sony help a lot to developers, but avoiding warranties and putting keys to damage the camera.

More about this.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/3...t-list/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Isukthar:
Not sure the information about GPU in the link is right. For exemple the Honor 4X will get Nougat whereas the GPU doesn't even match OpenGL ES 3.0
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
http://www.xda-developers.com/what-determines-which-phones-get-android-upgrades/
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Be1n:
There is any news about this issue ?

What about the security updates ?

Sony will continue to support the Z3 compact ?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Dixxhead:
If sony stops security updates for this, what i would consider flagship, device so early in its life, it would be my last sony cellphone for sure.

In all honesty, i think this phone should in fact still receive a proper nougat upgrade. I alsoblame qualcomm for their ****ty driver support tho (so avoiding qualcomm aswell in the future... Gonna be hard)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] MixoMaxoViper:
I must say: ''Hello!'' to IOS and IPhone SE... XZ3C should get at least a camera improving update... Maybe make post processing off or add RAW. I will use it till January 2017, then sell and buy something other.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] spidr:
I was originaly thinking the Same then i bought this Small i Phone but the Screen of it is so Small you cant Do anything....
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] istux:
This phone is 2 years old, so they probably wouldn't release any update anymore.

I hope in security updates for at least one year more, but it's JUST... my hope!

:(
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Be1n:
I need to replace my phone every 2 years ?

The first year or so, is "damage control".

I bought this phone 10/2015 !

this is very annoying.

p.s-

I had the opportunity to replace it with Z5c or newer model.

I chose to stay with it, because I more like it than Z5c.

And the X compact is not water-proof.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] istux:
Every phone based on Andorid has only 2 years of firmware support since the day of the release.

You can change model or brand, but the rule is always the same, despite rare exceptions.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Be1n:
Then every two years I need to buy a new smartphone ?.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cattolicboy:
Those are the rules imposed by the market, it's nothing new and you should be aware of that.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Be1n:
What is the implications if I decide to stay with it?.

Im new here than this is the first time I hear this..
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] burtallicus:
no you dont have to buy a new phone every 2 years ....who told you that?

for example i kept my galaxy S2 until i got my z3compact last year ....

if you decide to stay with that phone you will not have the latest software and more important security updates, depending on what you are doing with the phone can be an big issue or not.

support is limited because all the phone manufactures are HARDWARE manufacture and they want push hardware( phones in this case ) it as fast as possible ...making software for all the phone brings 0 profit.

Im 100% convinced that they would offer 0 updates , or even without OS if they could get away with it.... :)))
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cambr1an:
You don't. Just because your phone isn't getting an update, doesn't mean it'll stop working. My other Z3 Compact is still working perfectly fine on Kitkat.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] JohnRossJennings:
If you want longer software support. IPhone 4s got 5 years of updates. IPhone 5 is now 4 years old and just got the latest update (and still functions very smoothly on it).
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Be1n:
https://threatpost.com/android-fragmentation-sinks-patching-gains/121224/

Look at Sony patch laggards graph.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] arsradu:
Is there any Nougat "Concept" ROM for Z3C? Cause I would like to give that a try. I tried the Marshmallow one and honestly, I would have used that long after the final release if I wasn't curious to see what's new with that. :) So..is there any Concept ROM for Nougat?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Th3fishu:
No there isn't. And there WON'T be one in the future ;)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] arsradu:
Thank you! :)

Found this online for the reason why we can't have Nougat update. In case you're curious.

I thought that, since there was a Developer Preview for Z3, there would be one for the Z3C, as well. But I guess there wasn't and, as it seems, there won't be one either.

Anyway, here's the link:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/No-N...hone-You-might-want-to-blame-Qualcomm_id84543
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Th3fishu:
Well I think Android 7.0 was going to reach Z3C, but because of Google CTS changed after DP4 (the last Z3 got) it's not possible without violating Google terms.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] arsradu:
Has anyone managed to port the DP4 from Z3 to Compact? What are our options for Nougat right now?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
DP4 can be flashed by unlocking the bootloader. Procedure is detailed in the General Discussion.

We have AOSP and CM. I'm trying to make a working CM right now. And AOSP works fine - camera.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cattolicboy:
It has been fixed??? Really?! :confused:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] arsradu:
I think that dash in front of the word "camera" should be interpreted as a minus. :) So no, I don't think it works. But I guess Dorian can confirm that if necessary.

Understood. Thanks man! :)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
If you build AOSP with the old blobs you get a working camera (check AOSPA thread). Reverses fish eye effect is still present. But it's working at least...
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] cattolicboy:
Ok thanks for clarifing, when I said "fixed" I meant the reverses fish eye.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
http://www.xda-developers.com/android-7-0-compatibility-document-released-plenty-of-changes-in-tow/

Does this change things in any other way for us?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] HornetRider:
No
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Barua:
I hope so, but this is sony, never expect that.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] fat-lobyte:
It means that our guesses were wrong and that Vulcan is *not* required.

So Sony had another reason for not releasing it, and they theoretically *could*. But I don't think they will change their mind unfortunately.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] arsradu:
The reason is Qualcomm. Aaand...Google.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Dv2y:
http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-...to-build-android-7-1-aosp-for-xperia-devices/
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] MrAdamH:
Tried compiling it, getting errors when flashing the userdata.img (image too large)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] evildog1:
I don't understand why Google removes some ramdom features like they did with Youtube.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] -Zteam-:
Just a quick thought here, instead of fighting with this camera issue for a AOSP ROM wouldn't it be a lot easier to try port Sonys stock ROM for Xperia Z3+ or Xperia Z5 Compact instead?

That way we would be getting the camera features and Android N.

I'm not a developer in any way so perhaps I'm missing something very obvious here.

Is there a reason anybody isn't trying to do that?

(this post shouldn't be read as criticism or something, I'm really grateful for all the efforts you developers do here)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] hyklamin77:
The reason is that Z3C does not pass the Google tests for Nougat due to the GPU processor and cryptography (see https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4zce4u/the_real_reason_the_z3_and_z3c_wont_be_getting/). So not really chosen by Sony itself.

Since there have been official betas of Nougat for this device, would it be possible to create an "official ROM" based on another device official Nougat ROM but using the correct kernel/drivers for this one?

I see this is being discussed here: https://xdaforums.com/z3-compact/development/kernel-android-n-preview-3-t3399540
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
We cannot port the ROM from the Z5 Compact nor the Z3 Plus because they have different chipsets
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Tron510:
https://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/poc-real-trim-instead-drm-fix-t3552893

will this help encourage the possible dev of nougat? or will this just allow us to use camera on aosp roms pre 7.0?
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
I don't know.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] :
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/02/1...rted-on-the-xperia-z5-range-on-android-nougat

I find it ridiculous.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Whitefoxy:
Cant we make a petition ? so we can get the new android version? It worked with moto e 2015
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] rradix:
Though the main problem is due to Google suing everyone, I learned that an SD801 chipset will have a nougat update. It even has nougat custom ROMs. Look at Zuk Z1.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] difto:
What we where expecting:

https://xdaforums.com/z3-compact/orig-development/rom-unofficial-lineageos-14-1-t3577224/page46
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] omad0:
Have read through the whole thread, and it's really left me wondering.... The reason I came upon this thread and was looking into Nougat/7.0 on The Z3C is that a mate of mine with a HTC One M7 recently updated to a custom ROM with Nougat! And having a look, there is no shortage of ROMs to choose from! But the M7 is running a Snapdragon 600?? With an Adreno 320??! Have they found some way around it, or are Qualcomm supporting older chipsets, just not one that was in a large amount of flagship phones?? Doesn't make any sense! Even in HTC's own lineup, that means Nougat possible on the M7 but not the M8?! Ridiculous!!
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] yo7fb:
try read this:https://xdaforums.com/z3-compact/orig-development/rom-unofficial-lineageos-14-1-t3577224

or this: https://xdaforums.com/z3-compact/development/cr-5-1-carbonrom-t3529766

good luck!
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] op3n:
good! dont need nougat. what petition u say guys>? petition for nougat? :)) you niga, u have a lot of custom roms for this device and u need nougat from sony? :)) maybe another phone, not another ROM!!!!!
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] YoryM:
That's really sad but Z3c begins to get old..
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
It appears 7.0 factory images are being uploaded right now! Currently up for the Pixel C, others probably right after!
[Nexus 6  General] idbl_fanatic:
Player, and 9 is up too!
[Nexus 6  General] H4X0R46:
Awesome! I'm literally refreshing the page waiting for a Shamu download! [emoji2]
[Nexus 6  General] idbl_fanatic:
LOL, same here
[Nexus 6  General] biggiestuff:
I see it for player. I hope it improves the google casting on the player. As it is, the player is not as good as the chromecast when it comes to just straight up google casting.
[Nexus 6  General] Kyronater:
Hopefully we can get 7.0 for shamu by the end of the day! :D
[Nexus 6  General] TMG1961:
Still notting..also no factory image for the 6p and 5x

Maybe google stopped thinking they have done enough for one day
[Nexus 6  General] VeryCrushed:
One image at a time, factory images are usually rolled out over quite a few hours. Just started about an hour ago.