yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows 10 Mobile] ngame:
At this time there's no way longer presents for your phone .

you have to wait for Boot Loader unlock . by the latest news you should heard about it (Microsoft accidently published their secure boot golden key) it must no longer takes to the hack release then you can use upgrade advisor and registry hack to upgrade to TH2 (10586 build of windows 10)
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
The link contains cabs download link for updating from latest wp8.1 to windows 10 mobile 10586.107. For Lumia 630 (RM-978) .

Using iutool to push cab files to the phone .Then check update for 10586 in settings.

Waitting for RS on L630 too...
[Windows 10 Mobile] BlueTR:
Is there a link for .cab files of RM-976?
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
Sorry, I don't have one. I only captured the update links for myself before.
[Windows 10 Mobile] impact79:
Will it brick my device if i try the RM-978 files on my RM-976 ?
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
I am just a guy who like flashing roms. I am not sure, it may not. ( Mine is a Dual-SIM module ,yours is of single SIM )
[Windows 10 Mobile] impact79:
Just tried to flash those files on my RM-976. Unfortunately the update stops with ERROR 0x800b0100.

Seems that the windows security .dll files are not properly registered.
[Windows 10 Mobile] impact79:
Do i have to unlock the phone or something else before trying to flash ?
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
iutool doesn't need anything else to be done before pulling update files to the phone

Iutool Error Codes

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/mt131833(v=vs.85).aspx

"TRUST_E_NOSIGNATURE" means what? Maybe someone knows it.
[Windows 10 Mobile] KillerTheLord:
I am getting 0x801882c1 error code while installing updates any idea about this? Error code specifies 0x801882C1 E_CABAPI_NOT_CABINET BTS_E_PER_APP_REQUEST_LIMIT_REACHED not really sure what that means. Downloaded all files twice and tried.

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Solved this by deleting extra Desktop.ini file. How getting same error as above 0x800b0100.
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
Readstone can be run on Lumia 630 (512MB RAM) ! The update packages( cab files) can be downloaded from catalog.update.microsoft.com ( search your phone carrier name, like mine: 000-HK ), queue by time ,add 14343 to bucket and download .( other items for 10586 and erlier version; there SHOULD HAVE the links for upgrading from wp8.1 to 10586.107 ). If you can not click to download , view the poped-up webpage's source then copy and sort the download links by yourself.

You only need to download the files similar to the files you grabbed when updating 10586.107 to 10586.545. OR similar to the files in my attachment. It seems that difference to OS language packages can be ignored.

*.cbs_*.cab files are for FULL update, maybe they can be used on 10586.545 ; *.cbsu_*.cab files must can be used on 10586.545. They CANNOT be used at the same time, I update failed once due to this.

Replace IME and Speech data packages with yours.

Use iutool.exe to push cab files to your phone as usual.

If you update failed and your downloaded files are not broken, try to replace thoes files which their name start with or like:

microsoft.devicelayout_qc8x26_16k.mainos.cbs_

microsoft.soc_qc8x26_16k.mainos.cbs_

for other defination, replace this file: microsoft.prerelease_protected.mainos_res_480x800.cbs_*.cab .I am not sure if it can be used on Lumia 630.

Here is my screenshot: SO.....SO exciting!!!

View attachment 3844880
[Windows 10 Mobile] impact79:
[MENTION=7524246]fishersfish[/MENTION]:

sounds great, thanks for sharing!

However, i don´t understand completely yet. I have Win Phone 8.1 Update (8.10.14234.375) on my Lumia 630 (Carrier 000-DE).

Which files do i have to download ?
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
Sorry, I didn't find either(Maybe I am just too excited ). But there must be a way! A guy from my country ( China ) just capture a lot of update cabs ( from wp8.1 to w10m ) this month. But not include your phone. He must used an other way.

Here is the guy:

http://bbs.wfun.com/home.php?mod=space&uid=1183465

http://weibo.com/u/1144511064
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Hi. Do you still have the Build 10586 for Lumia 630 dual sim 512 ram ?please upload this for me so I can flash it on my phone using WP Internal.please I really need it.
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
I have downloaded the cab files and but iutool give me error no update files found
[Windows 10 Mobile] ngame:
Seems it's command issue .

iutool -v -p C:\Update\*

this is the exact command for when you put update files in c:\Update folder , Do not forget \* it means install anything presents in this path .
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
I'm sorry to tell you it didn't work.

Do I have to extract cab files?

Which version from iutool should use,mine is seems like 2014 version
[Windows 10 Mobile] ngame:
No difference witch version are you using .

and surely you don't have to extract cabs . It the thing that will phone do on prepairing for installation
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Could you tell me the steps clearly,please?
[Windows 10 Mobile] ngame:
It's super easy .

1 - Run cmd as Administrator

2 - go to path of iutool using these commands :

DriveLetter: (like D: or E:)

cd fullpath (like cd D:\hack)

3 - use this command to run iutool with path of update files :

iutool -v -p fullpath (like iutool -v -p c:\update\*)

Note: Your phone better to be LCD turned on and unlocked phone .
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Didn't work again, it says no update file found, my device is u looked and my screen opened. I have Lumia 630 dual sim, is there any way else to push these cab files?

I really appreciate your help.
[Windows 10 Mobile] ngame:
We found a way to unlock boot loaders and we have way to create custom roms so be sure we will share them to help all of you to flash phone to w10m directly .
[Windows 10 Mobile] titi66200:
[MENTION=7803461]mirasal2[/MENTION]

On your screenshot we can see "iutool.exe iutool-v -p c:\cabs\*" why
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
I have tried several commands it says bad command or something, for me tow commands worked with no update file found:

iutool-p -v c:\cabs

iutool-v -p c:\cabs

but the star goes to ngame help " Do not forget \* it means install anything presents in this path"

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Thank you all, please make it quickly!

When I expect to see this? Is these in the near days or it will take months?

thank you again.
[Windows 10 Mobile] ngame:
We are working to build it for several devices , but once we get them ready first we publish some test roms to make sure we did our works nice
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Thak you. I wish it will be ready tomorrow ☹ ?
[Windows 10 Mobile] agv91:
Hi, I have the same Lumia and the same problem, but I can't open these links on Edge and Opera too running on Windows 10 RS_1. Can you help me?
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Hi, what exactly your problem is? Just save as txt file then you can download the cabs with download manager or something similar.
[Windows 10 Mobile] agv91:
Hi, Links seems to be offline and the page is blank either I save it in TXT or in HTML too
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Any interop around for L630 rm-987??
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Try this at the attachment
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Hey, please. What about this? any hope to progress??
[Windows 10 Mobile] Luxon:
Guys, any clue on how to force the Lumia 620 to update from 10.0.14393.321? I am using a registry trick to fake the phone to Lumia 636. The phone received the RS1 update and updated from 10.0.10586.494 to 10.0.14292.321 and now it stuck to build .321.

Any way to force it to update to .351 by using some registry tweak?

Thank you.
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
I only have 10586.448 for 059V9M1 ( Different preset input methods and speech data ), download here:

http://www.lumiafirmware.com/ser/RM-978/guid/059V9M1

Only the *.ffu file, use ffutool.exe to flash: View attachment ffutool.rar

RM978_02040.00021.15235.50006_RETAIL_prod_signed_1035_0268D6_000-HK.ffu

CRC32:631bdd74

The following is the update package's link(10586.x -> 10586.682):

View attachment w10m_10586.x--to--10586.682_dlink.txt

Change the phone's language to your own after hard reset...
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
Sorry for that. The Link is broken due to bbs.wfun.com... [MENTION=7803461]mirasal2[/MENTION] [MENTION=4542506]ngame[/MENTION]

Here I put the link file again ( For RM-978, 059V9M1 )( Hope they always are accessible ):

View attachment wp8.1-to-w10m10586.107_dlink.txt

And by the way, post 10586.x/14393.x-->14393.448 here:

View attachment w10m_10586--to--14393.448_dlink.txt
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Thanx man, I get those cab files from last link,but when trying to flash them using iutool it shows no update files found, do you have method to return them into ffu flash file?
[Windows 10 Mobile] fishersfish:
Sorry , I cannot help.:(
[Windows 10 Mobile] mirasal2:
Dont worry it's ok. ☹
[Moto X Q&A] amg0005:
I tried all setting

Different app but no use

I need help :o
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] exbrolithor:
Hello All ! I was trying to flash a rom to my phone and i did something wrong and my phone was gone in boot loop ! I was trying to do something with fastboot and i made an erase with "fastboot erase" at data system cache and recovery partitions cuz i was trying to flash the twrp and i coudn't ! Finally the wrong is that i didn't had a correct image of twrp and i downloaded one and i had access again to twrp bootloader!

The problem now is that i flashed my old rom (cuz the new didn't worked) and now the phone does not recognize my SIM card :eek:

:( . I did a research and i found that my phone DOES NOT have IMEI :( When i am pressing *#06# there is nothing at the window is just empty ! and at phone settings IMEI says uknown ! I think this happent from the fastboot erase !

Can anyone suggest something ? :/ I think that it will be a way for a fix :/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Accessories] cudo:
http://allegro.pl/item253099676__kmk_crystal_black_do_spv_m3000_mda_vario_klips.html
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] HeatOfLisboa67:
Says my version SM G935F Exynos doesn't support FM radio well after my recent update I had a stock looking FM Radio app but deleted it without thinking because I use TuneIn any idea how to get it back?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] szatanizmo:
I would love to see stock S7 fm radio apk somewhere on the web.....
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] HeatOfLisboa67:
Apk mirror
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] jack_04:
Does moto g4 plus will receive official Android updates after rooting. Does goto settings->about phone->check of updates still works after rooting the device.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
You'll get notifications about new updates still, but you won't be able to install them if you have TWRP installed. If you flash the stock recovery back... not sure.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] jack_04:
Is it possible to root without installing twrp?
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
Yes, you can just fastboot boot twrp.img instead of flashing it.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] Tel864:
As long as you're rooted you won't be able to install OTA's. You can check for them and it will even download the OTA but it won't install as long as you're rooted.
[Moto G4 Plus Questions & Answers] markbnj:
fastbooting image?!

Quoteth the dummy, "can you please follow up or point me to how you'd do this?

and how long would it last, just until you reboot?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShermatBar:
Hi,

So I have a very strange problem. I turned on my Note 8.0 one day and I saw some information lines like "E: failed to mount /efs (no such file or directory), E: failed to mount /system (no such file or directory).

Then I got this:

-- Appling Multi-CSC...

and right after that there was a list of Mounting Fails.

I think that I Should Mention that I never Installed Custom ROM or Recovery.

Is there something that I can do to fix the issue?

Thanks folks :)
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smatjack5400@yahoo.com:
Lgg2 running 5.0.2 rooted fine. Mybad crashed installing new rom. Demigod error now.. Only allows down volume button.. Tried srk tool. Dont know which of all the downloads to try. Looking at screen shots. Do i hit enter after choosing a number or letter or will it start by its self. Noob to all of this.
[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aslamjarh:
can you enter into download mode? if yes, you can install stock firmware by tot method.. pm me if you cant
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] canduriluis:
Hello guys,

I'm new in the forum, but i've already used some threads for help flashign and rooting some devices.

Now i have an issue that I hope you guys can help, my phone is a LG G3 D855, running Fullmics rom. 2 days ago I was walking and got the brilliant idea to put my phone under my belt, I sweated and it appears that some water got into my screen. I left it with rice for 1 days, didn't work, after that I disarmed it and did the same, didn't work either.

The touch function in the screen doesn't work right, have to press some times to make it work but mostly it doesn't.

[IMG="This is how the screen looks like"]https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0GNvqKiYFGuRkZfMzNOYndnYzg[/IMG]

Hope someone can help me with this, thanks in advance
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Devisback:
Hi guys,

I visited phoneareana.com. Recently there was a comparison among note 7, S 7 edge, iPhone 6s plus etc about picture taken by their respective cameras .. A very brief comparison.

After going through that, I don't know I found atleast S7 edge was better in shootouts.

Well I was having a plan to go for note7.and also I have one S7 edge.

But guys has anyone went through all pics? Mainly last sets shows quite a noise in note7..

Please help out.As I'm now bit confused about note7 camera pic quality!!!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BozQ:
Wasn't it confirmed that the Note 7 uses the same camera from the S7/Edge?
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] twoeleven99:
Think it's the same camera
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Devisback:
Exactly same camera as per hardware specifications revealed. But I believe there is bit of interface difference in the camera.

Well anyone please go through the pics( as I told before) posted in phoneareana.com.

That's why my question is : why such differences?

I was so much eager to have one note 7 along with my s7 edge. But camera!!!..

Guys need more info about its camera quality!!!
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mankvl:
Imo it's too early to tell :) And just post a link to phone arena...

P.S. after watching this video I would say other wise :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX33IddL4fw
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] rdsreference:
I was in schipol Airport yesterday, they had a note 7 on display without the price. Just had the one. The sales guy like myself had an S7 edge we compared the camera in our phones to the new Note and immediately the new phone seemed much better and brighter with no adjustment on auto mode. I thought bar the HDR video the S7 had the same camera. Must say the S pen is hugely improved and you can actually write your name just like a proper biro.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Devisback:
I'd love to share the link:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...d-with-GS7e-Note-5-and-iPhone-6s-Plus_id83799.

Guys u all can go through. Top of that I'll request all to go through last sets also. As there bit low light sections came up.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] ChimpNippl3s:
What a load of rubbish
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Devisback:
Well the pics given there ( mentioned in the link) ,mainly the ones taken near the "screen"...Note7 pic is creating some kind noise,if we see bit!!

Might be some different modes,or situation differences while the snap was being taken!but noise there !

But making me confused! Ahhh..wanted to buy that phone!!!

Well anyone help out with that☺..
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Ported to the Galaxy A5 2016 Duos SM-A5100 - Qualcomm MSM8939

Hong-Kong and Chinese models.

Prerequisites:

Bootloader must be unlocked with CROM SERVICE apk and OEM UNLOCK enabled in developer settings.

INSTALL:

Flash with ODIN 3.10.7 in the AP slot.

Device may reboot several times.

CF-Auto-Root-a5xltechn

Disclaimer: rooting trips your knox counter and may void your warranty.

DONATE ME HERE IF YOU WANT TO BUY ME A BEER OR HIT THE THANKS BUTTON IF I HELPED YOU
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] salsero63:
Thank you very much you are the BEST
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
45 downloads, not one like clicked or acknowledgement posted aside from the one above. Cheers guys. [emoji53]
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] gensomaedenx:
Any elaboration on the crom service? and how to use them for galaxy a5100.thanks
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] gensomaedenx:
Tried but Failed

Hello. Thanks for your Rooting Kit, I had downloaded them, and tried to my unit A5100,here's what I did:

1. First, at phone Developers Options, I had the " OEM unlock" ON.

2. Second, I had downloaded the CROM Service apk at the "Galaxy Apps" on my phone.

3. Then, I've switched off my phone, put it at download mode, and connected to my pc via cable.

4. I downloaded the attached file in your post, extracted them using 7zip. and put them at my desktop to easily navigate.

5.. I open the Odin app, then at PDA space, Ive searched for the MD5 file at my desktop.

6. Then i clicked start, The bar at the upper left turns green up to 25%, and suddenly it turns red,with a "FAIL" sign, and I've seen a red message on my phone saying," Binary too large"

What went wrong?thanks..
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Well for a start I'm not sure what you have extracted?

Just put the .tar in the AP slot and flash.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] gensomaedenx:
Thank you very much. It worked sir, I just reflashed after mistakingly put wrong md5 file at AP slot...it was a wrong file, i need not to extract the tar file, you mentioned above...:D
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] Gogentle97:
Hi, ashyx. The fact is not what you think.

Users from China were blocked to view this page( require VPN) and some of them have poor English, So it's no so easy to Download and use your posted flies.

In fact, there are number of Chinese users need your help.

I'm a A5108(China model with Exnoy CPU) user, and Ihave tried your TWRP recovery and Root package.

It works perfect.I'm grateful to your working.

I Will also bring you Root package to my friends And mark out the original page.

So keep going.[emoji2] You are the best and acknowledged.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Thanks for the explanation.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
help please

hi. bought a phone from china. samsung galaxy a5108. need to root it so that i can download playstore etc. i did the steps but ended uup with the logs below. please i need help. thanks

<ID:0/005> Added!!

<ID:0/005> Odin engine v(ID:3.1005)..

<ID:0/005> File analysis..

<ID:0/005> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/005> Initialzation..

<ID:0/005> Get PIT for mapping..

<ID:0/005> Firmware update start..

<ID:0/005> SingleDownload.

<ID:0/005> cache.img.ext4

<ID:0/005> NAND Write Start!!

<ID:0/005>

<ID:0/005> Complete(Write) operation failed.

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Did you unlock the bootloader first?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
yes i did unlock it with the chrom apk
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
And you enabled oem unlock in developer settings?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
yes i did.

my goal is to install playstore and google account on it. another problem is that i cant find any custom rom for this samsung galaxy a5108. only the china mobile rom available.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
What is the output on your device when this happens?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
ODIN MODE

DOWNLOAD SPEED:FAST

PRODUCT NAME:SM-5108

CURRENT BINARY: SAMSUNG OFFICIAL

SYSTEM STATUS: OFFICIAL

REACTIVATION LOCK: OFF

CROM SERVICE: UNLOCK

SECURE DOWNLOAD: ENABLED

KNOX WARRANTY VOID:0 (0X0000)

RP SWREV: B:1 k:0 S:0

it stays the same as above. download mode.

do i have to extract the file? i clicked on AP and selected the .tar file and start. but then i get the fail log i posted preiously.

THANKS a lot for helping me out on this mate.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Is your device Exynos or Snapdragon?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
samsung exynos octa 7580
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Then i know why its not working. This is for the snapdragon version not Exynos.

No idea why the other guy said it was compatible.

I'll see what i can do. Im on holiday now until Monday.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
OK! yep he said it was compatible, :D haha. thanks a lot pal.

Have a good one. cheers!
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
any updates? still stuck.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
Rather than mess about I have compiled TWRP for your device. As yet untested, so ensure you have the stock firmware in case of issues.

twrp_3.0.2-1_sm-a5108_71016

.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] fdvzvfzv:
thanks a lot pal, will test and revert soon. thank you so much.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] Basmikom:
Hi. My a5108 cannot instal play store.can you give me solution ?

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Hi My a5108 cannot instal play store.how you can di it ?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
You need to install a gapps package.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] pixel989:
I have A5100 running on official 5.1.1

I'm unable to access Secret menu E.g(*#06#) (*#0*#) how can i enable it?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] pixel989:
Secret Codes!

I have A5100 running on official 5.1.1

I'm unable to access Secret menu E.g(*#06#) (*#0*#) how can i enable it?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] Jeremy_Clarkson:
Hi guys! I am trying to root A5100 (new firmware - android 6.0.1) is this twrp good to root the device?
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] amohsin.ali:
a5100 rooted

I have rooted a5100 China purchased but I am still unable to install google play store services etc

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I am.unable to install play store even after rooting a5100 andriod 6.0.1
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] amohsin.ali:
I have installed gapps downloded stock gave it root access

I have installed gapps downloded stock gave it root access. When i press install mobile reboots and after that a screem appears in.which there is error in bottom

Dm_verity verification failed
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
You need to install it with twrp or flashfire not stock recovery.
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] amohsin.ali:
There is no option. Only are

Aroma

Super

Stock

Full

Mini etc
[Galaxy A3, A5, A7, A8, A9 General] ashyx:
You misunderstand. You need to Install the gapps package with either twrp or flashfire.
[Xiaomi Redmi 2 Questions & Answers] alphaarif:
I'm really sorry if this is the wrong section to post this. My Google play store has been acting wierd since a week. All though my internet connection is fine, playstore download apps ~100kbps. Earlier it use to be like 3-4mbps. It takes 10 minutes to download 50mb app. I tried everything like.. Clear data, cache. I tried vpn. Factory reset. Nothing helps. I use it over WiFi. I checked my phone with mobile data, it seems to work fine. I even checked my internet speed with ookla. Results are normal. Please suggest. Thank you!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewingr:
Except for all of a sudden having heavy battery drain, and a lot more lag?

I'm considering doing a wipe and reinstall. I'm on Rapture 8.2, 5.1.1. Considering giving some version of MM a try, but until lately, have been pretty happy with the phone and ROM.

I'm thinking that if it having been dropped is the problem, moving to another or fresh load won't be much help.