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[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
Ironic that the guy without the hard-on for Samsung (unlike me evidently) is doing all the testing and verification for this bug. Way to take the high-ground with all the attacks though even though nobody is attacking you. Keep 'em coming. :eek:

And yes, I bet you 99% of the people who would walk into this store would even care about this issue, much less know about it. People on XDA who even care about this make up less than 0.1% of the the total devices Samsung sells.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
Do you think maybe it's possible that I went to confirm it for myself so I'd know whether or not I needed to cancel my preorder (which I clearly stated in two of my posts)?

Down Syndrome confirmed.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
The video the OP posted gave me a headache trying to follow the multiple points it was trying to make at the same time. Anything that compares iPhones to Android phones is something I don't usually give the time of day. It would be nuts for Samsung to deliver the Note7 with poorer memory management than the S7-series after they were universally called out for the poor multitasking in the S6-series. I'd be fine with the 5-7 background apps my Note5 can handle and pleased if goes up to 6-8 like Erika's video shows. Of all my priorities for a smartphone super high levels of multitasking is no higher than the middle of my list. YMMV.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
'Roid rage confirmed from the other side. I'm out. Have fun with the testing.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
Think about the fact that what you're calling "overreacting" is actually something we are doing to try to get this fixed (preferably) soon!

I'm sure a lot of tech guys and YouTube channels will, in fact, point at this soon or later. And not because it's from heavy users, but because this is something unacceptable and ridiculous for a device that claims itself to be the best ever.

I want to repeat that we understand what you are defending here and your point of view, but we only can't accept it as a "truth". In other words, we simply can't agree with your opinion that we must calm down and accept this, mainly because it's something minor (it isn't!).

I repeat, I'm a law student. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with hearing and understanding other people opinions and arguments. It's even great, by the way, because we can understand and improve arguments when we need to convince someone else about our point of view. What I ask you is to, please, reflect if a RAM management issue is really something minor and acceptable. Just that!

Cheers!

Oh no! Don't say this! I hate when my bank app can't read the bar code and I need to copy and paste all those numbers to Google Keep from a PDF/website/app to the bank app. I can't imagine my anger if I need to login again always after alternating apps! This would be frustrating. Something that never happened when using my old Note 3, for example.

And why you couldn't use Samsung Pay if you get Exynos version?!
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Sorry, but this thread is unnecessarily emotional on three counts. Count 1, we have a single video comparing an unspecified Note7 version (region, build status [production, pre-production], apps installed) from a random YouTube poster from which many here assumed the Note7's memory management is crap. Count 2, with that information this thread was started with a salacious title "Samsung did it again! Crappy RAM management!." Count 3, like carnivores on raw red meat a couple of folks here went on exclamation point and OMG tirades about how awful this situation is. Even with nothing but a single YouTube video to draw a conclusion from. Said group then attacked those offering countering arguments or contrary experiential evidence. If that's not overreacting, what is?

As for "fixing it" that's not going to happen, at least not from Samsung. People should expect to keep 5-8 apps alive in the background because until proven factually and from multiple sources otherwise that's what the S7-series provides. If that's unacceptable buy another phone. If the bootloader gets unlocked and/or the phone gets rooted maybe a dev can tweak memory management. Other than that the Note7 is what it is and it appears more here are fine with that than not.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
That attitude of 'if you dont like it, buy another phone' is getting a bit old. Look at the video, the 6s with just 2 gb ram keeps all the apps in memory, there's really ZERO reason why a 4 gb android should not be able to do the same.

I do agree on your point though that we need more evidence than just one youtube video. Let's see what comes up.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
I expected more from you. Knowing how different the OS architecture is that's not a valid comparison. An out of the box 6GB OnePlus 3 would fail that comparison too.

Samsung's RAM management is aggressive. Assuming the Note7 performs similarly to the S7-series and keeps 5-8 apps open in the background what other option than "buy a different phone" is there for people that find that unacceptable? *****ing here isn't going to change anything. Nor is accusing people like me of being drooling idiots, money squanderers, or fanbois for finding that acceptable. A non-emotional title for this thread is "Can you live with Samsung's aggressive RAM management?" Clearly some would say yes, other's no. But's it's not a bug or a flaw its purely intentional and both Samsung and OnePlus have said their memory algorithms are set where they are to benefit battery life. Whether anyone on XDA accepts that reasoning or not is irrelevant because it is what it is.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
So, then explain to me please how RAM usage is supposed to correlate with battery life.

*EDIT actually I just googled and found the EXACT same explanation as that I gave earlier in this thread, look at the first 2 answers here: http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/67121/how-ram-usage-effects-battery-drain

In short, there is *no* correlation. It's just marketing talk from that Oneplus CEO to shut people up who were rightfully complaining about their horrible RAM management.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
I read that international variants can't use Samsung Pay. Has that changed?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
So again, it's basically malwritten apps that drain battery. Thats' what I said earlier. No matter if you run 10 apps or just 1, if you run horribly programmed apps like facebook then your battery will drain. If you run well programmed apps, you wont notice any drain even if you run 10 apps at the same time.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] borisb:
[/COLOR]The note 5 had the same issue.

I am glad I was able to see this thread. The note 7 just became unbuyable for me.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
Well, here in Brazil Samsung just launched it and there are even TV ads about this feature. Galaxy S7 Edge devices got this working as a feature inside Samsung Galaxy Studio in the Olympic Boulevard here in Rio. They show the people how it works and etc. So, international variants in fact can use it!
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] EarlZ:
This is a huge concern for me but I wont cancel my pre order just for this. When I tried the demo unit i never had apps reload though I did not run any games.

Even if its just a reload of 1second it can be a big deal to some so just respect that. I even find it annoying that my p9 plus takes 2.5 seconds to wake if a microSD is used compared to the < 1s with out a microSD.

Lets hope for the best and see if Samsung will addresss this. Crying in XDA wont help, provide the company feedback.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] w2830:
While a phone might merely mean a gadget to some people, it could mean a lot more to enthusiasts who would spend insanely amount of effort on it. You are clearly painting everyone with the same brush and I can assure you that you are not being smarter than others like you might think about yourself. There will surely be disappointment when there's passion involved and I see nothing wrong for people to express their feelings when it happen. That's what the forum is for. It doesn't matter Samsung listen or not.

Do you ever get angry at you girlfriend or wife? You better not, because they did not point a gun to your head either.

It's even more nonsense to conclude that people complain because of the affordability. We are all part of the consumers who are the main reason the companies are making these products. Not only we have the right to complain but it's also how we can make things better together. Of course, it's not going to happen if there are more people like you.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
I love this comment regarding passion and disappointment about things that can seem trivial to others. I think it's spot on.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
They aren't malwritten, they're written that way they are on purpose. To monitor user behaviour, read device activity, and to connect to servers to relay and pull data. You can dismiss them if you want but a lot of the top offenders are some of the most highly used apps.

So if someone's using Snapchat, Amazon Shopping, Spotify, Line, Netflix, Kindle, and/or BBC news and decided to play a game in the foreground all those apps in the background are alive and using battery. Because once run by the user they don't terminate unless forcibly closed. Keep in mind the list of apps run by user I posted is only the top ten so there are dozens more. All of them once launched by the user remain alive even if they're in the background. That by the way is a total violation of Google's app design and multitasking guidelines.

Memory managment in Android is supposed to eliminate the need to close apps when you're done with them and they should go in to a dormant state. That's fine if app developers played nice. But the only way to protect yourself from apps that intentionally keep themselves alive once you launch them is to physically terminate them. And there's no protection from run at start up apps that are alive all the time with nothing the user can do to prevent them from running.

With all of that you can see why OEMs would be mindful of how many apps are kept running in the background. Because to a layperson all they'd know is "my battery life sucks and the [insert phone name] is a piece of crap." The comprehensive battery tests done by GSMArena are all done on a freshly booted phone. Imagine the results if that list of top ten offending apps were running in the background. So there

is

a correlation between apps running in the background and battery life.

Theory is wonderful. Practice is real.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
You know, one of the reasons that Google has pushed statistics regarding battery usage per app is to force developers to re-think their app in terms of how they keep the phone alive, wake it up and transmit data. Developers should consider what data is time essential (like whatsapp notifications) and which data is not time essential and what to do when the app sees its running in the back ground. Some developers bother, others don't, but all Google can do is make the user aware.

You named some apps that are known battery hogs. I can name 10 apps that wont drain any battery even if they're kept alive as a background process, simply because they dont interact. So running 10 of those apps at the same time would drain LESS battery than just running 1 battery draining app like facebook. Again, the amount of apps you're running is really irrelevant. It's which apps you are running. Hence a limitation of 5-7 apps really makes no sense to me.

But maybe manufacturers should then simply make the variable configurable. If you want your phone to kill any app when there are more than 5 running, you should be able to configure it like that. And others like us who dont want to have a phone that kills apps for them (unless it really needs to of course), should be able to set it to 100. Now wouldn't that make everybody happy ?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] ingenious247:
Right now I have 16 apps in my recent apps. S7 Edge
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
The Recent Apps list and apps in the background are different. Of those 16 apps you probably have 5-7 that are in memory - meaning if you open them they'll be at the exact point you left them at. If you select one not held in memory it'll re-open as if you just launched it.

Watch this video comparison from Erica on YouTube between the G4 and Note5, you'll see the Note5's limitation (which I'm fine with BTW)...

[YOUTUBE]v=hm2DP3o8cYw[/YOUTUBE]
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
Well, guys, another not so good news. This time against OP3.

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Well, there are two possible facts here. Maybe opening a game is doing this. Maybe it's that game mode that maybe kills everything at background when activated. Don't know. Or maybe the Snapdragon version doesn't suffer from this issue.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Same guy that made the iPhone comparison video made this one. I'd like to see some comparisons from someone else. "Flagship Killed!" doesn't seem like a title for an objective comparison. Neither is comparing any Android to an iPhone. Erica's video I posted above draws a different conclusion and she's been objective from the stuff of hers I've viewed. She was one of the first to expose the S6 memory management challenges.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mankvl:
https://youtu.be/cX3GANN494w = no game reloading. These test with game reloads mens nothing to me if it can mange to have normal 5-7 apps in memory for some time I am OK with it.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] RaymondPJR:
Damn right, you can say that again!:mad:
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
Yeah, this is the same video I was about to post here. Although it's impossible to understand it, at least it didn't reload things like crazy!

Guys, let's try to find more videos like this to share here. It will help a lot clarify this situation.

By the way, that small red icon when playing games is also active on this video. So if this is a gaming mode feature, it didn't "enable" the RAM killing issue at this device, at least.

[YOUTUBE]cX3GANN494w[/YOUTUBE]
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] geovass:
Check here https://youtu.be/cX3GANN494w

Sent from my OnePlus 3
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] adjei7:
Thanks for sharing this video. Definitely shows that the memory issue is not as bad as shown in the previous videos, and possibly does not exist. However, let's remember that when comparing iOS and Android, (as has already been mentioned in this thread) it's not entirely fair. Not just because of the different hardware structure (which you find in android to android comparison anyway), but mostly the coding of the apps, which is quite different. The same app can be written one way for iOS and be totally different for Android having different functionality, and memory management within itself.

However, the video still proves a point, and puts me at ease for my purchase.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mankvl:
One more. https://youtu.be/_gM5bjFjJi4 looks like more of the game killing not the normal apps
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] aznmode:
Bad memory management is back!

Sorry guys repost.

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This is good news. Thanks for posting. I was very concerned initially about my pre-order. I don't really game much but I don't want other apps to reload on me. It's quite annoying on my note 4.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mankvl:
Soon we will see how its. More ppl will get the snapdragon version. Anyway Samsung put a lot of work on grace ui, if there is a problem with normal app killing they will fix it.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
There's something wrong with his review unit, I'm sure of it. There's also a setting in the battery settings that won't let apps run in the background. Maybe he has that enabled for all apps.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jfree3000:
Serious question here, what are you guys doing/playing that you need to go back to on your phone and not loose said spot?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
Serious answer. That has nothing to do with this discussion. You use your smartphone like a feature phone? Fine. Not all of us do. If your usage is that simple, you probably don't need a phone like the Note.

The purpose of this post is to discuss the possibility of ram performance issues in the Note 7, not belittle people for wanting to use their Smartphones like they're intended.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jfree3000:
I did not read the entire thread because there was some bashing going on in the beginning but I don't understand your answer and if I'm off topic I apologize. From what I did see people are getting pissed that the phone is killing off applications in the background and that's what I was wondering about, I'm not trying to belittle anyone just wondering.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
I may have been hasty, but people inevitably go down that road with this topic, insisting that no one needs the phone to work that way. But these are computers and that's how RAM is supposed to work. And there's no excuse for a phone with that much ram to kill apps that aggressively.

Most of this has already been said here, but it also may be a non issue as I believe the original source of the "proof" may have a defective unit or has intentionally set it to run that way.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Bottom line is this. Samsung's always applied aggressive memory management under the guise of battery saving. Whether that's true or not has been beaten to death so need to rehash it. It is what it is and has been that way since the S6.

People should expect the same level of multitasking that exists in the S7-series. Those phones can keep between 5-8 apps in memory. My Note5 which I've been using over a year can do 5-7 and has all the s/w necessary to support the digitizer, S Pen, and associated apps which is the big difference between a Note and Galaxy S. The only other difference between the Note7 and S7-series h/w wise is the iris scanner and the additional video chip to support HDR playback. I don't think either require held memory that would affect the Note7's multitasking. So again, if my Note5 can do 5-7 apps in memory there's no reason to believe the Note7 can't do at least that many.

If 5-7 apps in memory like my Note5 or possibly 5-8 like the S7-series doesn't cut it then Samsung phones aren't for you.

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If you can stand its looks this should let everyone multitask there hearts out when it comes out in a few months.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] EarlZ:
Compared to another 4Gb phone from another manufacturer, can they keep more apps in memory? I cant test this on my P9 Plus as thr games I play auto close around 15seconds once 'tabbed out'
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
Huawei phones have an aggressive battery save setting that closes apps as soon as you turn off the screen. This is on my default. If you turn it off, then apps will stay in memory for a long time. I have the Mate 8.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Yes. Here's a video comparing a G4 and Note5. The G4 keeps more apps in memory than the Note5 and it has 3GB of RAM compared to the Note5's 4GB. And yes, I'm a drooling moron because I know this and buy Samsung phones anyway. Every phone has assets and liabilities and I'm OK with limited multitasking because of the strength of other features.

[YOUTUBE]v=hm2DP3o8cYw[/YOUTUBE]
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] ramheer:
Was it the snapdragon version?

Tech Zilla
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] EarlZ:
Maybe, it happens on my Note 3, S7 and Nexyus 6P and the 2 games I only play are Non stop knight and HIT.

take note that its not about turning the screen off its just me running another stuff on the phone like opening youtube and spending 15 seconds there.

How do we "turn off" this feature?

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The same could be said with me, I know this and I have zero plans to cancel my pre-order. I know AMOLED is a screen lottery and tried other manufacturers and they now use AMOLED panels and its inferior to the ones that samsung use on their phones so Im back to square 1.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
You have to whitelist the apps in battery manager.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] EarlZ:
You mean add it under protected apps which allows the app to run after screen off? no difference :)
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
It makes a huge difference on my Mate 8. That phone rarely closes apps now.

But this is way off topic for this thread.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] EarlZ:
I apologize for derailing the topic. Moderators please delete the last 2 -3 off topics I have made. Thank you!
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChimpNippl3s:
Yaaaaawn
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
Great true review from this guy! Showing a real life usage most of the times and not all the same things all major youtubers show always. But, if I didn't understand wrong (I really have difficulties to understand Indians and YouTube automatic subtitles can't recognize correctly), one of the negative points (end of the review) is the reloading issue.

Could anyone hear that final part and tell me if this is, in fact, correct?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mankvl:
Just look at the video it did not reload 5 apps and one app was not even open. In my opinion game launcher optimize the phone and sometimes kill more apps games when it's off.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] californiarailroader:
Samsung has fish memory management?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Derpling:
S7E memory management is mediocre at best, G5 runs miles ahead of it. it's annoying when i pause ppsspp or any other game in middle, browse web a bit and 9gag app, then come back and it restarts ppsspp, those i losing all saving, didn't happen on G5.

Y sammy can't make it just work?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] @Class:
Meh there will be mods to the build.prop to fix all this...
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] geovass:
Check this video Vs OnePlus 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppdIqf-c4nw
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mankvl:
https://youtu.be/1ha-JaFO3Eg One more. Personally it could be better like the 6p but try putting that phone it to the water ?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
The 6p with 3 gb RAM beating the Note 7 with 4 gb. But that's probably a good thing because it's a 'feature', right [MENTION=1493949]BarryH_GEG[/MENTION] ? :)
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mankvl:
Where do you see beating? So what that in the end in colosed few apps and open them in 1 sec again. Sw updates will only improve it and with nougat we will get even better grace ux so if you want best Ram management of take a nexus
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe. It always amazes me how fanboyism blinds people so much that they just will always downplay weaknesses when it comes to their favourite devices. I mean I love my 6p but it surely has weak points, I never liked how big the bezels are and the brightness of the screen is simply not high enough, sammy's screens are simply better. Not sure why I'd downplay any of that.

Anyway, regardless of the memory management, I've ordered a 930FD, loving the design and if touchwiz starts to irritate me too much, I'll just sell it again and move on.