yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XDA Assist] DaniDeVega:
[Add Devices Request] Samsung Galaxy J3 (like SM-j320FN) & ZTE BLADE L3 (not plus)

Hi!,

I don't know how to create a new Forum to add new devices to XDA Developers.

¿Can somebody teach me how, or add Samsung Galaxy J3 & ZTE BLADE L3 & L3 PLUS (By separate, that is not the same device) devices to XDA?

I have too those 2 devices on my home, but I can't add them to my profile & neither find any correct help to my issues.

It could help so much people but me.

Thanks in advance.
[XDA Assist] v7:
Hello,

Thanks for using XDA Assist.

You can request forums for new devices here:*** New Device Forum Requests ***.

__

v7

XDA Assist
[Other SmartWatches] Kobibo:
Hi All,

i'd like to know what is the different between the those models ?

They're all seem the quite the same (maybe screen size)

From all the above types, what preferable ?

Thanks
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Do some research - there is plenty of information here about everything you have asked.
[Mate 8 General] Shajjer:
Got a Mate 8 from China, AL10, B197.

Installed Goole Play from HiApp.

Been working fine for most things, unless i try certain games.

Got two examples. Fruitninja, only about 126mb, Google Play close down on about 100mb downloaded and when i reopen i get error 909.

Biggest example, Hearthstone, 1.04gb. Play close on 0.97gb every single time and i get error 907.

I really want this game so ive tried like 15 times after performing different "solutions".

Delete data and cache for both Google services and Google Play. Unmount SD-card, remove SD-card. Nothing helps.

Only tip really i havent tried is to delete the updates on Google play to get a earlier version. I cant find any updates to remove, probably because i installed it from HiApp and got latest version?
[Mate 8 General] anwedr:
Play store > app permission > allow storage.
[Mate 8 General] t0mt0m:
Hey,

You have to grant storage permissions to the "play store" :)

Settings -> Applications --> Google Play Sotre --> Permissions (or sth like that) then "storage" !

Little reboot may be required ;)

Enjoy ;)
[Mate 8 General] Shajjer:
Excellent, that fixed it. Im suprised the phone didnt just ask for permissions like its been doing for pretty much every other app.

Thanks guys!
[XDA Assist] XDA Visitor:
hi i need to configure android wifi hotspot to enable upnp or nat pmp .any solutions
[XDA Assist] Trafalgar Square:
Hello and thank you for using XDA Assist,

please create an account and create a new thread here. But please tell your device model.

Thread closed.

Kind regards

Trafalgar Squar

XDA Assist
[Remix OS for PC] BamaPanda:
Wondering if there is any plan known for a forum relating to the OS when installed on the Ultra tablet????

I am a newbee to Remix but a long time user of Droid. I am now understanding that the OS ...especially when it gets to 2.0 and beyond, is pretty much a learn as you go.

I have found some interesting tidbits, but a place to discuss things amongst Ultra users related to the OS would be good.

Thanks..
[Remix OS for PC] Vioner:
Oh come on man... -.- http://xdaforums.com/remix/remix-ultratablet
[Remix OS for PC] BamaPanda:
I saw that ... just did not see much info related to the actual operations on the 2.0 itself. Everything is pointing to access and installation of the new OS, but I was lost regarding features.

Figuring certain things out ...like I found that swiping down from the top with an open app gives access to the possibility of it being able to shrink to a phone sized window, where in 1.5 it was in the pop-up in the lower right corner.

Sorry. I should have posted over there. I will try to get a thread going over there on general questions about ver. 2.0.
[General Topics] eranyanay:
Hi everyone,

Usually when Im looking for a new phone I kind of know what Im looking for, or what the top picks are.

This time I kind of struggle. maybe its because of the timing of my purchase.

Today Im using a Z3 compact, mostly because Im a fanatic for normal device size and good battery life.

With the Z3C I get 1 day easily, or full 1 day with exessive usage, and I expect that to be the same with every new phone I get

Im travelling to the US next week and although I get along with my device, I cant help the thought of getting a new upgrade for much cheaper price than in my home town.

My top priority for a new device is, as I said, good battery life, max 5.2 screen size, I guess that in todays terms and thinking the 2years long term, 4GB ram,

(because today I get some of my background processes get closed too fast by the OS)

I dont care for camera quality too much, expect the new device to have SD card slot (would be a waste of my new 128GB sdcard)

What options do I have?

I guess my timing isnt the best, S7 is getting "old" and new comers this month will probably be better hardware.

S7 edge is a great pick since its enhanced battery life, but I dont like the edge screen with its reflections.

I wish the Active to be sold unlocked, but its not unfortunetaley.

LG V20 looks interesting, but I dont know about its locked bootloader/custom rom capabilities.

Im actually in SF during the launch, but I leave USA by the 10th of September, and I guess it wont be selling there so fast.

Also, Id like to discuss about purchasing options.

Ill be travelling LA,Vegas,S.Fransisco mostly (these are the big cities), Where would you recommend buying a phone?
[General Topics] Clark Joseph Kent:
Use the threads in place, search before creating new threads.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1620179

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1846277

Thread closed.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rusherrrx:
Why? because i tried many roms already like 10+ rom and still having troubles choosing the perfect for me

so its okay if you dont want this post to be heard, i just wanna share my thought and i think it would be easier for new users to choose what custom rom is fit for their likes
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lanc-City:
Ok everbody here i bring to u a finger print work around...

1 download the zip

2 extrat it there will be 2 zip files a note 4 settings and a note7 settings

3 use root explore go to ect go to promissions and delete hardware fingerprint

4 then going into priv-apps and delete fingerprint serves 2 then go and delect secsetting2

5 boot into recovey

6 flash note4setting boot rom back up now go into setting and register your fingerprint

7 go into play store and dowload fingerprint securty for locking apps with fingerprint

For lockscreen download c locker or smart app lock from play store

8 boot back into recovery and flash note7 setting

HERE LINK ......https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1I0vyV3onrjQlBRLUd2d0sxd0k

dont forget to hit Thanks if u use this.....enjoy .......
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HakeeMAbdulAleeM:
Trying.....
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HakeeMAbdulAleeM:
As your procedure I have done

But no finger print View attachment 3845542View attachment 3845542
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chuahcs79:
which c locker app u refer, op ?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lanc-City:
C locker free widget locker or smart app lock thats what im using now
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lanc-City:
U cant use it in note 7 setting u register your fingerprint with the Note 4 setting then go to playstore and download c locker or smart app lock and from one of those app u enable fingerprint for lock screen or apps then u can flash the note 7 settings back but once again dont go into the setting for finger print it dont work from there its already register just enable from app
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ravijani:
Thanks. I deleted settings and permission as fp service wasnt there and flashed note 4 settings. It registered fp. Now when i flashed back note 7 settings it worked. Thanks so much for this. I never thought of doing this.

Worked on Note 7 port dooola rom v2.1 N910C.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoangpro1234:
Thank pro
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sohail667:
Is it work.on s7 port???
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lanc-City:
Yes u just have to use s7 setting when ur done registering your fingerprint not the note 7 setting
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Macamoca:
Can you make it for s5 g900f
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Near_07:
i wish to re enable outdoor mode option in settings . do you have any mod to show or enable again this "outdoor mode" option thank you
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddy2k2:
Instructions very unclear still cant get fingerprint to work
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] diegossousa:
After procedure everything works like a charm but the secsettings n7 i cant to login in any wifi new. I hava fail please resolve this.... thanks for hardwork

Enviado de meu SM-N930F usando Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Macamoca:
Can you make this fix for s5
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] comeback4you:
yaa right its happen with me.. can't register to new wifi
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhelawas:
look at this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbkk5k2YPw

i think is so cool..... me too facing problem about wifi register.. anyone has to solved...
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] diegossousa:
Needs Change secsettings....manually

Enviado de meu SM-N930F usando Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yorkie707:
not working

ive just tried this method of fingerprint fix and i rebooted after flashing note4 settings but i go into settings and it says an error has occured. any solution
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _Negan_:
For me following the instructions, don't work
[Microsoft Surface] monther2014:
Greetings,

I have surface RT 32 GB and i'd like to run .exe files on it. I read many articles about this issue but unfortunately its impossible to run .exe files.

Is there a tool to load windows ( 8.1 or 10 ) as a virtual machine on Surface RT ?

Thank you.
[Microsoft Surface] MASONNET:
RIP
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] trojanvision:
I love Resco Audio Recorder and am using an AT&T Tilt on HTC TyTN II rom. When I have Resco Audio Recorder (RAR) installed, my phone earpiece and speakerphone doesn't work. I tried calling people (not sure if they can hear me) and the call connects but I cannot hear them.

Does anyone here know of a fix? It seems to be a known problem on Resco's forums.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avishai0528:
I had the same problem on my HTC HD2...

didn't found out why it's happening :(

but removing it solved the problem.

by the way...

when the call connects.. if you "mute" and then "unmute" again

they will be able to hear you.
[XDA Assist] predil:
Hi All

I'm sorry if i am posting this in wrong place.

But I really need to know MHL adapter for my HTC E9 phone.

i bought one from aliexpress and it seems to be unspported.

TC keep displays no signal blue screen.

Please recommend me good supported adspter

Thank you

Dilshan
[XDA Assist] predil:
Thank you for suggestions.

Dilshan
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] zukriaksah:
After a lot of hardworks, I managed to downgrade back to Marshmallow from Nougat, using B136 full rom. But I ended up with C900B136. My request for help is, how to change back to C636?
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] Mostar088:
Now u need to flash a full stock rom of EVA-L19C636BXXX or flash oeminfo from C636 with SrkTool Huawei.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] kischde:
How can I recognize if a ROM is a full stock ROM? Got the same problem and would like to return to L19C432.

I'm also wondering where to get those oeminfo files from?

Gesendet von meinem EVA-L19 mit Tapatalk
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Manav Bhagia:
I got a great response with my previous ROM , Kryo-AICP , but there were some rough edges , which had to be smoothened up .

I have made this ROM on the basis of no compromises , in the field of customisability , performance , battery life , and smoothness !

I have taken Resurrection Remix as a base , as it offers the most customisability , while still retaining the smoothness of stock , sometimes even more !

Features :

All RR features !

GCC & Clang O3 (Optimized for speed ) !

Enabled Graphite and its identity transformation !

ODEXED for faster boot times and better performance !

More Optimizations and features coming soon !

INSTALLATION :

Download the latest build

Download Gapps

Take a nandroid backup

Recommended - Full wipe and factory reset

Flash ROM using latest TWRP Recovery

Flash Gapps

Reboot.

Enjoy!

UPDATE :

Download the latest build of Resurrection Remix ROM

Flash ROM

Wipe cache

Wipe dalvik cache

Reboot

Enjoy!

Download Stable ROM

Downloads :

ROM : https://mega.nz/#!uwVG1LTQ!W4VPw-swOdhRcWjAIV_wIfpLj_duFOTRh_pGFpn6EZg

Recommended GAPPS : http://opengapps.org

Credits :

[MENTION=6417885]Eliminater[/MENTION] for being of great help in fixing the setup wizard FC [MENTION=7580781]Joshua_B.[/MENTION] for the bootanimation (coming soon)

[MENTION=3400932]Taker18[/MENTION]

[MENTION=5641921]Naman Bhalla[/MENTION]

Source

https://github.com/RR-OnePlus3/rr_de...eplus_oneplus3

https://github.com/RR-OnePlus3/kernel_oneplus_msm8996

https://github.com/RR-OnePlus3/rr_pa..._apps_Settings

https://github.com/RR-OnePlus3/device_oppo_common

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andro...e_qcom_display

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/propr...vendor_oneplus

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andro...opensource_Nfc

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andro...rce_frameworks

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andro...rce_libnfc-nci

XDA:DevDB Information

Resurrection ROM, ROM for the OnePlus 3

Source Code: https://github.com/ResurrectionRemix

ROM OS Version: 6.0.x Marshmallow

Based On: CyanogenMod 13

Version Information

Status: Stable

Current Stable Version: 5.7.3

Stable Release Date: 2016-08-16
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Manav Bhagia:
Reserved
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Manav Bhagia:
Reserved another just in case
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] DonJuan89:
Going for it! :) Will report!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SmashTime1904:
Is this stable enough to take the number one spot in multirom?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] min-dfreak:
[MENTION=6641721]Manav Bhagia[/MENTION] could you implement an option to modify the alert slider with Sound / Vibrate / Silent ? That would be fantastic!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] liver20:
Here we go

Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A3003 mediante Tapatalk
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] camdadeye291:
Working like a dream :) Thanks for all your hard work [MENTION=6641721]Manav Bhagia[/MENTION]. I will run for a day and post BetterBatteryStats asap there after. Peace
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ZeNiXxX:
ohw damnit will try it will report in some minutes D:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] jejemc:
Hello ROM installed and removed because some lack tweak compared to your Kryo-AICP is who you pity;)

Otherwise you can integrate your tab transparency Rom? if your rom es can be the best;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] JumboMan:
[MENTION=6641721]Manav Bhagia[/MENTION], can you also provide androidfilehost links for your ROM
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
[MENTION=6641721]Manav Bhagia[/MENTION] the only feature we miss from OOS is locking recent apps in while clearing. pls consider adding this feature in upcomming builds :)

EDIT: pocket mode too if possible
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Let me know Manav if you need a mirror somewhere.. I can try and help.. Cheers..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nazerro:
1. Can i dirty flash this over official rr or blackjubel rr??

2. will it work with arter's kernel?

3. Does it support f2fs on data and cache?

Thanks in advance
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] DonJuan89:
All good here, no overclocking or anything, stock kernel. Battery life is very good for me.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] DonJuan89:
Oh, alert slider isn't working for me :(
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] y7038862:
Issue report:

Skype not working.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] partridge79:
Install instructions are vague... download newest RR and enjoy? Or do you mean after installing newest RR.

wipe Cache and Davlik cache

Then dirty flash flash this build over RR?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] garz:
I second this... it doesn't work.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Micalus:
confirm, alert not working

also device is shown "unknown" within the about phone information

Cheers

Mike
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] LELBOT:
kyro aicp dead? [MENTION=6641721]Manav Bhagia[/MENTION]

will test ur latest builds btw :D
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] JumboMan:
YES,
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] aydinbahadir88:
ROM rocks very good and stable, thanks dude ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] camdadeye291:
It is working for me...
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
It doesn't..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] aydinbahadir88:
Hello Guys,

How can i add a different weather provider on cLock ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ollimi1:
Download from Playstore...
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] camdadeye291:
How did you install the ROM? What filesystem? Encrypted or decrypted? What version of Gapps?

---------- Post added at 08:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:31 PM ----------

I'm on ext4 fs, decrypted, used pico Gapps, fully wiped phone before clean install. I have not installed anything except the ROM pico Gapps but I updated SuperSU through the app after install.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] DonJuan89:
Wiped dalvik, cache, data, system. Flash ROM, pico gapps. Ext4, decrypted
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] camdadeye291:
Screen on time is currently at 2.5 hours, started with 60% battery yesterday and now I'm on 20℅ battery. That is nearly 20 hours total running time, with Wi-Fi running the whole time. Pretty good battery life. Thanks for the great ROM Dev!

---------- Post added at 08:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 PM ----------

Strange that it is working for me and not for you, sounds like we both have identical setups. Are you using multi ROM or anything else that may be a factor? Did you update kernel?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] DonJuan89:
No multirom and no kernel change in any way.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] garz:
Rom seems to be missing disabling/customizing hardware keys light.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Clean. Encrypted..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] KaszasM:
mate, there is NO custom rom with missed feature...

the dev can implement Features wich he wont or needs. so you can ASK for it,or can build your own...
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Manav Bhagia:
I am sorry , I couldn't see the discussion as I was keeping busy , the build is flawed in the case of alert slider missing , off screen gestures not working , and Skype fc , so I am currently going to look into fixing all of it .
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] jarlave:
For me notifications cut off, not sound plays in full length if the screen is off.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Micalus:
take your time and make it right or you could also ask [MENTION=5641921]Naman Bhalla[/MENTION] to get access to his personal repos, all mentioned stuff got fixed by him, running currently his last build 20160813 and is super stable. so you don't need to fix all these things by yourself. :P

Cheers

Mike
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ritchiedrama:
When you say that last build - you mean this?

http://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3/development/rom-t3403365 with EX kernel?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Micalus:
yes, the last public build for now, made by [MENTION=5641921]Naman Bhalla[/MENTION]. Works pretty well, unknown device could be caused by arter kernel. previously with latest EX kernel, the device was shown correctly.

Cheers

Mike
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] camdadeye291:
This is under Settings/Configurations/Button Controller

Never assume, it makes an ass of u and me ;)

---------- Post added at 12:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:50 AM ----------

Brother, just so you know, everything in the ROM is working well for me. Alert Slider and Off Screen Gestures are both working fine. Skype is working fine, no FC. I really like this ROM and will be using it as my daily for the next 3-4 weeks. Battery life is as good as I got on stock, if not better, and I feel that everything is working as smoothly as it does on stock, once again, as good if not better. Thank you very much for your great work sir. I, and I'm sure most others that use your ROM, appreciate your work very much. Peace to you and many blessings.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Psych0t1c20:
This ROM isn't dead is it cause I plan to use this when my op3 comes in September.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Manav Bhagia:
I am actually looking at a rebase which will be best for our device , as I am unable to fix a lot of stuff here (I'm sorry). Any suggestions , guys ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Jole7:
I vote for CM Nightlies
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] liver20:
Slim base is the Best.

Tipsy rom that is slim based is the fastest of all for op3

Try and will see how op3 is fastest and smoothest

Slim base definitely is the Best with substratum support of course

Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A3003 mediante Tapatalk
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] gro0vr:
Downloading, will tell you if anything comes up
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] alexisjmz:
I'm definitely gonna try it!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] fantamadnesss:
Slim or pa
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] chinmai560621:
I can give a suggestion. Try considering. Don't try for a "all-feature" ROM. Instead go for clean CM13 . Just change your builds with the base of the latest snapshot nightly build. Use 03, graphite for faster performance. ODEX for faster boots. Underclock for reduced heat( do give an option for normal frequencies.) Use all the libraries of sultan and merge the pocket mode and sRGB. That'd give the best "FOR NOW"
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
oneplus one had rr build with sultans rom base. they took all goodness of sultan's rom and rr features and made one rom. if this comes to oneplus 3, then it will be the best of all roms.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ChuckDaEngineer:
I've had good luck with Orion but it is not as customizeable (sp?). It is Slim based also, very snappy. I get a lot of data drops after handoff from wifi with Tipsy and Tesla
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] KaszasM:
could you complie a new kyroremix? actually you did hit the 1and only bugged rr source when you released the first... after 20 r0821 is stable again
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] JumboMan:
can anyone explain how these compile optimization improves device performance ?

I am asking this because most famous developers (e.g arter, flar2) hates these optimization.