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[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] -BoneZ-:
It was also compared to the Note 5 which had the same issue until it was eventually fixed. This information was available in the OP had you read instead of skimmed.

And it doesn't matter what OS is running: Android, IOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc., no app should completely reload after it has already been started.

If you had read the post above yours, you would have noticed that the issue had been subsequently fixed in a later patch on the Note 5.

Come on, people: read, don't skim.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
That's nonsense. A launcher itself wont change anything regarding the deeper/core android processes like the ram management.

I dont know. What I do know is that a lot of Iphone users buy the phone, partly, because they love the smoothness of the interface. In fact I recently spoke to a friend of mine who is a really smart university grad in IT, I found out he was on Iphone which surprised me a bit. When I asked him why he said he couldnt stand Android's interface. I said "You mean Touchwiz". He said "what" ? Lol. What I'm saying is, most people dont even know what Touchwiz is, but they do see that a Samsung phone is just not running as smooth as an iphone and I'm 100% confident that that DOES cause people to buy an iphone over a Galaxy.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] -BoneZ-:
If you're paying for the most expensive device available, you will want to do with it

whatever

you want (unlocked bootloader, ROM it, etc.). It should operate near-flawlessly. Or quickly be patched to. You should demand the absolute best.

Telling people to just accept whatever they get when spending that much money for a device is just unacceptable. Like the old adage goes:

"You get what you pay for."

There's a reason why there are cheaper vehicles, boats, homes, etc. The cheaper they are, the less you're going to get out of them.

Multi-tasking is non-existent when apps reload after they've already been loaded. This is a deal-breaker. I won't be purchasing this device now until it's been fixed. There's zero excuses for a the most expensive flagship device available to have such a glaring and easily-fixable flaw.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
I was responding directly to the Touchwiz comment and it's limitations. The RAM management issues go beyond Touchwiz and is probably kernel related.

So who cares about why people by an Iphone vs. a Samsung? It's not like Samsung is losing sleep over the perceived crappy RAM management of their phones affecting sales. I still state that people who can afford a flagship Samsung phone vs. other android phones have other priorities than worrying about this stuff when making their purchase. Things like design, a S-pen, smaller form factors for a given screen size, wireless charging, etc. would be better justifications. Again, if you need the other stuff for dev work or "full" control, get another phone. Samsung won't change anything for people here on XDA so it's pointless having angst over this stuff.

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Maybe for you but for the 99% of the people purchasing this phone who cares? People don't refuse to buy BMWs anymore because they took away the dipstick to check oil (which they have for close to the past 10 years). Don't think for a minute that you're important enough for Samsung to care that you won't buy the phone because of perceived flaws. I find it hilarious when people ***** about not having root or an unlocked bootloader on a phone and when they finally do get that they cry about not being able to use Samsung Pay. Duh...that's the reason why these phones are locked to begin with.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
I think Samsung could have pushed Iphone out of the market by now if they had delivered phones that would beat the iphone in every aspect. Samsung's hardware is usually better but their software department is horrible and extremely slow in pushing out updates. The whole reason Iphone still exists is that Samsung is just not delivering what a lot of users want. In fact, if I didnt hate Itunes that much I'd probably kiss Android goodbye and buy an iphone (it works the other way around too, apple could have killed Samsung too, at least in the flagship department, if they listened a bit better to what people want, or did you actually meet someone who likes Itunes ?)
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
I don't think Samsung would've ever pushed Apple out of the market. Back in the 80's and 90's when Windows PCs were dominant, there was always a niche group of people who would buy Apple products at extremely high prices no matter what. This would result in keeping Apple's margins high and making the company profitable (even in the dark days before Job's return). The same could be said for the iPhone.

I wish I had root just to be able to have non-provisioned tethering on my UDP but that's why I keep my rooted OG Droid Turbo around lol. Personally I'll never go back to an iPhone because I love customizing the UI via Nova Launcher, and also because I abhor iTunes just like you and their cloud-centric philosophy. :highfive:
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
You do realize that before Job's return apple was nearing bankruptcy ? They grew from that to the company with highest market capitalization in the world due to the iphone.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
Fortunately for Samsung people don't seem to care about the same things you do.

Galaxy S7/S7 edge demand pushes Samsung to record profit in over two years

http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s7_s...ecord_profit_in_over_two_years-news-19647.php

Galaxy Note7 breaks pre-order records in Samsung's home country

http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_note7_breaks_preorder_records_in_samsungs_home_country-news-19845.php

So either everyone outside XDA are drooling idiots or the things that matter here mean squat in the real world where profit is made. Of what used to be the "big 5" (LG, HTC, Sony, Lenovo/Moto) premium Android device manufacturers Samsung's the only one not losing money. So love or hate what they're putting out it's obviously appealing to people shopping for smartphones.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
The problem is when the number of background apps supported before reloading them is absolutely ridiculous, mainly for a phone that historically claims itself to be a multitasking monster! That's the big deal!

Also, if all this RAM management in Android is so malefic to battery (if true or not), companies should at less let us configure it as our own taste and give a f* to battery life, having a real multitasking monster for us, power users.

I'm pretty sure 99% is so much. Ok, the majority even don't know what's RAM management and would even don't know why they lost what they were seeing or writing somewhere due to a reload, but trust me, this can frustrate a lot of people, even when not power users.

What?!

First, TouchWiz isn't only the launcher itself! It's far beyond! I would be so happy if my Nova Prime could hide all TouchWiz layout everywhere in instead of "only" the launcher.

Also, just because it's a so expensive phone that we expect it act as a beast and not a cheap device! Multitasking is something basic when you rely your life on a device like this, since many people use Note series to work!

As a law student, I keep so many things opened at the same time, mainly legislations online through multiple tabs and PDFs, etc. I can't imagine Note 7 reloading everything during a class or even at a judgment when I alternate multiple things!

Brilliant! This is a huge thing! Most people, mainly here in Brazil, thinks Android is what TouchWiz is! And, for example, thinks that Moto devices runs crappie Android versions, like don't knowing it's even using a most near a pure/Google real Android experience. People just think Samsung TouchWiz is what Android really is and, than, thinks it's something poor and crappie mainly because of all numerous Samsung cheap phones variety that faces horrible OS performance. And than, when a Samsung flagship acts like this, mainly agains iPhone (it's main rival, undoubtedly), it's a complete joke!

Even beyond a joke, it's frustrating that my Note 3 (running CyanogenMod, so even not the original OS) does not reload things even after HOURS without picking apps/websites in the recent apps list! It's so much reliable, mainly for working/studying purposes!
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Samsung is undeniably doing some things good. They went from plastic phones to arguably the most beautifully designed phones in the world and their camera's have been simply the best for a while now. Yet, I'm sure they could even do a lot better if they just ditched touchwiz, hire some google developers and rewrite the whole thing from scratch and deliver updates in a normal timeframe.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
You're seriously pulling the "entitlement" card? You are aware that, as consumers, we have a large impact on whether a company thrives or dies, right? See HTC for an example. We are most definitely entitled to have a device meet our needs, especially when it's priced at almost $900.

The amount of ignorance on here amazes me. Your bold claim that "99% won't care" is hilarious, too. I guess you weren't around when Samsung received a ton of backlash for the way the S6 and Note 5 handled RAM last year. You were probably one of those people saying "it's fine", yet Samsung addressed it in the Marshmallow update, which clearly shows that it was not fine for a majority of users.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] -BoneZ-:
Of course it's appealing. Until someone goes to use their phone, sees the memory flaw, and then gets pissed off enough to return it to go buy something else. Nobody outside of XDA knows about the issue, so they're going to happily go to the store, buy their phone, and use it until the memory flaw is discovered.

Samsung isn't the one losing that much money on returns since it's the carriers that buy the devices to sell. And then the carriers take the profit loss on the returned device.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
Just tested the devices at Best Buy

Good news, guys. I think I can put this to rest.

I don't know what was up with C4ETECH's review unit. Maybe it was pre-release software or, more alarmingly, maybe this is strictly an Exynos issue. But it was really bugging me and I knew I had to confirm or cancel my preorder, so I went to my local Best Buy. They have a bunch of units on display. I ran the Note 7 through my usual Multitasking test:

Contact

Messaging with message open

Facebook

Instagram

Youtube, video playing

Browser with two tabs loaded

Three games (preinstalled on display unit: Candy Crush, and two others I'm not familiar with)

After opening them all up and letting them load completely, I hit the multitask button and started cycling through them one-by-one. None of them reloaded, including the games. It took adding a few more apps and a fourth game to get one of the games to start reloading.

This is about on par with my S7 Edge. So, it appears that at least the Snapdragon model is unaffected by this. I will be keeping my preorder. I honestly thought Samsung had regressed. Here's hoping those of you who get the Exynos model will see the same performance.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
It might very well be that only the Exynos model is impacted. I remember with the Note 4 release it was the other way around (snapdragon having all kinds of horrible issues). Anyway, if that's the case I might actually reconsider getting one. Thanks for your input anyway !
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Cr4z33:
I own currently a S7 edge and I previously owned a Note 5.

I still have to see an overall slowdown forcing me to reboot the device whatever you are saying...
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] -BoneZ-:
That's because the issue was fixed on the Note 5, and the problem doesn't exist on the S7. We're currently waiting to see if the problem exists on the Snapdragon version.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
So why are people complaining about spending the $900 on a device knowing all the issues? You could've spent a lot less on another phone without the issues so shame on you for keeping it and living with the angst. This is why I'm stating there are more important priorities that people use befor purchasing this phone. I seriously doubt that people go into a VZW store and ask the reps about a RAM management issue. This is the same sense of entitlement that people have when buying a luxury car beyond their means so they look for any niggling issue to complain about. The root of this stems from buyer's remorse as usual because they probably spent more than they could afford.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] viniciusrsouza:
The big deal about we are disagreeing with you is because you think multitasking reloading isn't frustrating, while we think this is a deal breaker. I understand your point and all about a lot of people don't care to have their apps reloading before using it again, but you also must comprehend us and see the point that it's incomprehensible that a device designed to be a multi-tasking monster acts like this. For people who pretend to work/study with it, this issue is even more significant than other "premium features" it brings.

I never imagined I would ever say this, but since I'm now convinced of buying a device that I will not root and will need to stay with original OS (maybe I'm getting old and my root and flash energy is pretty low now) and rely my professional and student life on it, I'm starting to think about experimenting Apple for at least one year if this ridiculous memory issue is not solved before iPhone 7 release. By the way, it's the same price now. So I don't have that old excuse about "oh no, it's ridiculous expensive, I won't never put my money there" anymore.

Could the issue exist because he opened all apps again using their icons? Maybe if he did just like you the OS would handle it as the user wants to get back to action where he stopped, but when using icons the system itself for a moment understand that it need to open from zero and, after a while, identify it was already running and tries to get back where it stopped.

I know this is crazy, but we just need to find something to justify this!

Would you mind to try this again the same way our Indian friend did?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] omf05:
I messed around with the note 7 yesterday and didn't see any problems with apps reloading. Felt just as good as my s7 edge.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
I'm a heavy productivity user and frequently access and transfer data between apps, sometimes using multi-window. Rarely do productivity apps close because they don't consume a ton of resources in the first place. So I guess that's why I'm not frustrated. If I was a heavy gamer and lost my place in a game by it restarting after taking a call I guess that would be a deal breaker. How big anything discussed in this forum (or any other XDA forum for that matter) all depends on what people do with their phones individually. So while I sympathize with those in the deal breaker category their wants and needs don't really apply to me.

I doubt that the Note7 will be much better or worse than the Note5 at keeping apps alive. That means 5-7 apps alive in the background. If that's a deal breaker people shouldn't buy the Note7. But they also shouldn't ridicule people who use their phone differently who don't see it as the end of life as we know it.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
You seem to be confused. No one has purchased it yet. At worst, we have easily canceled pre-orders. And this issue just came to light, to it was pretty hard to know what we were getting into. At this point, it looks like you may just be here to pick a fight. Or, perhaps you have Down Syndrome. This has nothing to do with entitlement. It has to do with getting what you paid for and I think the expectations are there, especially based on the GS7, since the Note 7 is pretty much identical.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
It's probably that he thinks that everybody is the same and that because to him it doesn't matter if apps reload, he thinks it doesnt matter to anybody else neither.

Anyway, I think we should all calm down a bit, like the user reported on the previous page the issue might not even be present in the snapdragon version. And for all we know it's not even present in the Exynos but it was to a specific problem in his phone/configuration. Let's wait for more info.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
That was me. After my testing, I'm satisfied that we won't have this issue on the Snapdragon model. I just sold my S7 Edge, but it seemed at least as good as that phone with respect to Multitasking and that's good enough for me.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Ah right :) Well I do hope that somehow it was a problem in his specific setup anyway. I am/was/am interested in the 930FD because of its dual sim but that's an Exynos version :( But who knows and maybe all this can be explained due to a problem in his specific setup, although I must admit, it doesnt look good.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
You got some serious anger management issues if you need to resort to making light of people with DS. There have been no personal attacks until your comments

As to the issue at hand, I'm merely commenting on the fact that when someone reports an issue there inevitably is an overreaction on how they were hoodwinked by big bad Samsung and bring out the "I expect more for my $900 card" when in reality cost was never an issue to begin with.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah and that point really is nonsense. It might explain some situations in general but it this case it doesnt, believe me. I'm in the lucky position that I can buy pretty much anything I want. And I want to buy this phone, but if it would have the issues as described in this video, I'd be greatly disappointed by it.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] GeoFX:
If buying a $900 is really that big an issue for somekne then there are some serious prioritization issues. It isn't in your case but I get annoyed by it nevertheless. Why don't people just chill out before overreacting before bringing out the "$900 card or stating publicly that samsung has lost them as a customer" when nobody cares?
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Look mate, people are different. To you app reloading is obviously a very minor issue. To other's it's a huge thing. I'm not sure why you don't seem to want to accept that.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
You're right, dude. Cost doesn't factor in when people make buying decisions. It's just a useless stat. :rolleyes:

You're right. I do have anger issues. I'd happily punch stupid people whenever possible, but most of them seem to reside on the internet, so I have to settle for words. I didn't say anything about being hoodwinked. I just assumed Samsung screwed up the build.prop again, which would have been odd since they had it right on the S7.

Whenever someone posts a legitimate concern about a product on here, it's the same idiots who come out of the woodwork and tell people "they are overreacting", "it's fine", and "99% of people won't care" because they are hardcore fans and need to defend their product of choice or buying decision or just because they want to make light of the concerns of others.

Regardless of your reasons, you're wrong. I have the money to buy devices like this outright whenever I want, but that doesn't change how I feel when I buy it and it doesn't perform the way I expect. And like it or not, there are some very good choices on the market for half the price. People don't have to settle for an overpriced device that doesn't deliver. If it delivers for you with crippled multiasking or subpar battery life, well then that speaks a lot to your willingness to settle. Maybe you also have an ugly girlfriend. I don't particularly care. I don't settle because I don't have to. And I'm certainly not going to buy/keep a device that doesn't meet my needs. Also, just because you don't think RAM should function like RAM in a device doesn't mean that non-technical end users won't have a problem with the way it performs. On the S6, you couldn't even multitask from the notepad to your banking app to copy/paste your password without one of the two reloading, which pretty much made it impossible. Even the mighty Apple has been adding more RAM to their devices and, unlike some Android manufacturers, they actually let it function the way it's supposed to. People do notice this in daily use.

But that's neither here nor there. I did the work. I confirmed that this isn't an issue because it was important to me. I didn't just come here and crap all over the concerns of others. You settle. We get it. Settle someplace else and STFU about it. No one cares how hard your erection for Samsung is.

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Especially since the Exynos model will probably have better battery life and performance, just like the S7. I hear you, brother. I considered getting the Exynos model for the same reason, but Samsung Pay is just too awesome to give up.
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] BarryH_GEG:
This thread's shock and awe is kind of surprising. Once it was clear the Note7 was using the same internals as the S7-series what did people think that was going to mean? Here's what I was/am expecting...

Video reveals improved multitasking on the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge

By Valerie R. / 6 months ago

Last year, when Samsung unveiled the Galaxy S6 and the Galaxy S6 edge, one of the primary complaints that came from the users was with regards to the RAM management. The infamous Android 5.0 memory leak was blamed for this, but it really was just the software aggressively killing apps in the background in what might have been a “feature” and not an actual issue.

Now with the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge launching earlier this week, similar questions were asked by fans. Responding accordingly to those queries is YouTuber Erica, who has posted a video detailing the multitasking aspect of the smartphones. As you can see from the video below, the device can comfortably handle eight apps at a time without any of the aggressive app management settings.

But when a game is run (Hearthstone Heroes of Warcraft in this case), the device seems to go into overdrive to ensure that it doesn’t burden the RAM too much. The Chrome Browser that was running in the background refreshed upon launching the game, suggesting that only 7-8 apps can be running in the background on the Galaxy S7 or the Galaxy S7 edge.

[YOUTUBE]v=sssTg8cwYE4[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/02/24...tasking-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge/
[Note 7 Guides, News, & Discussion] greyhulk:
I was honestly expecting it to perform exactly like the S7, which is why the video from C4ETECH surprised me. That's why I went into a store and tested for myself. I am relieved that it works as expected, but it's not something to take for granted. Just because the internals are the same as the S7, doesn't mean they couldn't have flubbed the software side of it, especially since we're looking at a slightly updated version of Touchwiz. It was one software decision that turned the 6GB of RAM in the OnePlus 3 into the equivalent of 2. But at least we could root that phone and fix it ourselves. We probably won't have that option with the Note 7 for some time, if ever.