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[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
What is your documented source that Htc 10 sales are low ? And low compared to what ? And you get what you pay for, compared to an S7 the prices are more than fair when you figure you get an unlocked bootloader and you get one year of free UH OH protection ask samsung if they will give you a warranty like that and they will just laugh so yes you get what you pay for.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] fabricated paradox:
I assume this would be related to T-Mobile apparently dropping the HTC 10 from their stores.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TeroZ:
No big tech advantage to its competitors, insufficient marketing budget, heavily relies on outsourcing components (higher cost). Now even their software is fading its charm.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Milamber:
I paid $840 AUD a month or so ago.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
There are people saying they bought theirs at tmobile stores so where is your documentation that tmobile stores stopped carrying it ? If you have no proof then its a rumor.

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Most run the same 820 processor so they all pretty much have no tech advantage over any other competitor. Yes some have a lot bigger marketing budget and yes too many people fall for advertising gimmicks and blindly purchase without making an informed decision on which item is a better purchase meaning faster and if your on xda that pretty much means a better phone for you would be one comes unlocked and has a good dev following. They all outsource components yes one makes processors and their own screens probably because they make tv's, but they also used the 820 processor also the same exact one as the Htc 10 in their flagship phone here in the USA. On the software part Google has fine tuned so many things that the stock google apps work fine and it makes no sense ie yes sense lol to put double the apps lol. And people prefer a cleaner Google experience such as Motorola has and now Htc has skimmed back too, most people like that the Htc sense is cleaner and more lean now over the past versions. I have had a new model of Htc phone every year ever since the Evo 4g came out and I think as many do that their software is just as smooth as butter.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
Here:

http://androidcommunity.com/t-mobile-drops-htc-10-like-a-hot-potato-after-only-2-months-20160812/

and here:

http://phandroid.com/2016/08/11/tmobile-no-longer-selling-htc-10/

and here:

http://bgr.com/2016/08/12/htc-10-t-mobile-bye-bye/

and here:

https://9to5google.com/2016/08/11/t...ing-the-htc-10-just-two-months-after-release/

Proof enough?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
Especially since people have posted about this on another xda forum on the 5th

http://xdaforums.com/htc-10/help/tmobile-longer-carries-htc-10-t3433653

which was 6 days before these reports even came out, so those were rumors.

I could expect such poor business decisions from a company like tmobile. They are no better than sprint both lie about coverage they do not even have, even sprint has better coverage than tmobile here in Ohio. I have to go 20 miles to get any signal from tmobile and I"am on an Ohio state route highway. Tmobile had the cheap thing to steal customers which they are no longer the cheapest since prepaid verizon mvno's have stepped up like Total wireless which uses verizon towers and offers Unl talk & text with 5 gigs of verizon Lte data for $35 a month with extra data able to be purchased, or Straight talk get Unl talk & text with 10 gigs of verizon Lte data for $55 a month and these are all verizon towers not tmobiles go 20 miles to get signal.

This is just sad because Htc makes good phones and too many people are blind sheep drinking the Koolaid fed to them by samsung and apple. Maybe we will get lucky and Google will buy Htc. I think selling off Motorola was a mistake so maybe they can save Htc.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] richii0207:
They either had no source or they even used reddit (LOL). To be honest, those sites have a bunch of so-called "journalists" or "editor" that just copy and paste anything that they read from another site to make some sort of publicity.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
That was my thinking also I just didnt say anything. I would not call then reputable sources. The stupid part of it is that tmobile took them off their web site a while back and said they were just out of stock. So who knows, maybe someone that talk to tmobile customer service directly and asked can chime in, apparently tmobile going by what happened before has no clue what they are doing.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
http://www.androidauthority.com/t-mobile-drops-htc-10-709473/
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] sacguam:
Fell in love when I first saw the HTC 10. It's a piece of fine jewelry and is a pleasure to use. Bought it from Verizon when it was first offered. Paid US $545 ($645 retail price less $100 special promo). At that time HTC web site was offering the 10 for $699. Yes, price does make a difference.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
Yep. In Canada, only one carrier has it (not mine), so I bought the unlocked version. $999 CAD +tax and $10 delivery = $1130.08 CAD

I would say that would put people off from buying it in Canada, unless you happen to be on the Bell network, and can get it subsidized on a new plan.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] richii0207:
That's a much better source. Looks like they don't have the inventory to meet online demands. Odd for the editor to put a misleading title and have contradictory information in their article as it says they still are selling them in their stores. -_-
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] sacguam:
Rumor has it that HTC will be manufacturing the upcoming Google Nexus phones code named Sailfish and Marlin. This will probably uncut what remaining demand that exists for the 10.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
Of course they are still selling it in stores.........................................................................until they run out of stock.

LOL

Should they just throw the unsold phones into the trash?

EDIT: quoted from that article

"The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] richii0207:
Yet, their "source" says they do not have inventory to support online orders. Nothing about "The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."

That's the contradictory element of the article I was referring to, which was in the same comment you quoted.

I find it important to read an article and look at it's reference to see how reliable it is. It's not a good idea to just read an article and take their word for it just because they check marked the "include source(s)" box on their editor guidelines. Especially when it comes to phone tech. Phone tech news have, by far, the worst "editorial" pieces I have ever seen, it's quite embarrassing.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
Amen brother you hit the nail right on the head. Until I see it on the majors news and from quite a bit more reputable sources then I will take it with a grain of salt until then, because if this were true then it would be all over the news and not just on questionable sites that do not have the reputation for having creditable news ie like cnn, cnbc, and so on. Not just sites that mostly do rumors on phone tech due out where they confuse reality with fantasy...

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If this were the case they would still have them on their web site to sell off their remaining stock correct ? So that blows a big hole in your theory about just selling off stock in stores also the store stock might go back to their warehouses most likely to be sold off on their web site possibly at a discount to clear them out. So them being off the web site and still in stores makes it sound more like a supply issue and tmobile is out of stock again on their web site just as they were before then went back up on their web site for sale when they were back in stock as this just happened a while back so its very likely it happened again. And since this was never on any major news networks yes it could just be rumors.

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Possibly but its also possible that they wont as many people like sd card slots and Google likes to shoot themselves in the foot and deliberately leave out features that most other flagship phones have which is stupid but yes people like to use sd cards and Google does not care so we will see how many want to give up sd card slots to get a new Nexus, and sales of Nexus devices have never been that substantial. But reports rumors that is list that the Sailfish the S1 has speeds that surpass the new note 7 due out so maybe the Nexus devices will hurt samsung note 7 and s7 sales just as possible.

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Couldnt you have bought a new unlocked version on Ebay or another retailer at a discount ? Or is the conversion from CAD to USD going to make it just as much ?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
Laugh My A** OFFFFFF!!!!!

Do you really think CNN is going to do a report on something like this?

Do you think HTC is still that big a company that if a carrier doesn't stock it, they'll do a feature?

Did they do a big story about how AT&T wasn't going to carry the 10?

You are adorable.

They aren't shipping them because their warehouses are empty of them.

They are still in SOME stores because it is leftover stock. They will sell those and that will be it.

It is painfully obvious from the link I provided. Which also had the reporter calling T-Mobile and having them confirm, plus screenshots of a twitter conversation with T-Mo where the same was confirmed.

Here's something simple for you. Call T-Mo yourself, and ask them.

The way you and [MENTION=6129692]richii0207[/MENTION] are denying facts and sticking to your guns makes me believe that you are probably voting for Trump come November
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
Its news if its true as I"am sure some would cover it just because some want to be naive and drink the Kool-aid these rinky dink so called Journalist on these rumor sites want to post. Most Journalist would call them hacks or bottom feeders that regurgitate any rumors that they hear and the others just following thinking gee if those guys published that than we can too lol they are a joke and anyone that believes them is naive.

And omg I never said do a feature lol you really like to blow things out of proportion just to aid to your own ego like omg buddy are you for real lol.

And the At&t not carrying the 10 was all over not just on a few hack rumor sites lol you are just too ridiculous lol.

If they had stopped selling them the stores would send the stock back I know retail and business lol the stores would be the first to lose stock lol the web site would stay with them for sale until they are gone because web site sales gives the highest return as there are less wages involved that is why most carriers have better deals on phones on their web sites such as verizon you might save $100 on their web site over buying even in a corporate store I have saved a lot more myself buying off their web site over their corporate stores and dealers are even higher.

Gee and why did tmobile remove them from their web site then put back up after back in stock that is legitimately documented on the net and from more than hack rumor web sites.

Once again your talking about a reporter on a hack rumor based web site not any kind of legit news site what so ever.

I"am not calling tmobile why dont you as I would never use their 3rd rate service that you have to go 20 plus miles to get their signal on an Ohio state route highway that is a joke lol. I pay less for verizon coverage than what they charge lol.

And no your the sheep that would vote for trump as he is a pompus a** and only likes to brag about how much hes worth when he filed for bankruptcy how many times causing tax payers to lose millions on casinos that he filed on then he turns around and opens more casinos lol. Hes a joke and has a bad temper and he wants to cut taxes on businesses which makes himself and other rich people more money lol yes he has his own best interests at heart lol. He claims to want to cut down on jobs going out of country but on david letterman years ago he showed his products he sells and letterman brought up they were made in China and other countries he just shrugged his shoulders lol. He changes his views by the minute on what he thinks people want to hear lol. He even called rosey odonell a fat pig right in public forum so no I would never support a fake self important pompus a** like trump.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
But did you call T-Mobile and ask them yourself?

No. But that would be the easiest way to confirm it for you, since the multiple links that are provided aren't good enough.

Did I call? NO!! LOL I don't live in the US. :laugh:

And THANK YOU!!!! for not voting for Trump
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] richii0207:
Not sure why you are trying to take this to a personal, even throwing in politics.

The point I was making was that the article you linked, if you have read it, says one thing while the source it referenced, said another. I'm not sure how you are missing how misleading that article is.

- Article states "The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and*T-Mobile staff have confirmed*that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores.*"

- The source it cited says this, "The HTC 10 is no longer available on http://T-Mobile.com , as we don’t have inventory to support TAKING ONLINE orders".

Where did Kris, the "Senior Editor", get this assumption. I could care less about what the article is about at this point, we're basically beating a dead horse. This isn't the first time they've done this, I've seen articles where they ended up being retracted or have some parts that were wrong crossed out. We, as tech enthusiasts, should really have higher standards for reliable sources.

As a side note: Since you mention it, I'm voting for the candidate that rewards sacrifice and hard work with success.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
Well, I have seen posts here from people who have called T-Mo to find out. So there is that. You could try that too.

And yeah, I should just drop this whole thing. The truth will be known soon, one way or another.

Cheers

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So, okay.

I called T-Mo from Canada. Had to sit on hold for 10 minutes while the rep checked.

No more HTC 10.

Confirmed as can be.

Call yourselves if you don't believe me.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Gr8man001:
Look at the HTC quarterly loss report. HTC is destined for demise unless they get their business & marketing strategies in line. I have been & still am a big fan of HTC phones. However, if the company can't generate profit then demise is certain sooner than later. Bottom line makes it feasible for surviving in this competitive market.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
Unfortunately, I fear it may be too late. I think the M9 was the final nail in the coffin

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I really hope I'm wrong though
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
No I didnt because I use verizon because tmobile sucks and has no rural coverage.

The links were not from reputable news sources, they can be taken with a grain of salt.

No I dont like blow hards like trump that think their better than anyone else, all he does is brag about how much money he has which he constantly lies about then he blows up when he is proven wrong or made a fool of.

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And you really think the CS people will actually know anything lol. Also your Canada not USA so you talked to tmobile Canada and NOT tmobile USA Canada does not get the same products that the USA does.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SacredDeviL666:
not to add flare....

but its evident that TMO isnt offering HTC 10 online so why are we debating still?

lack of sales or lack of inventory the result is the same isn't it....

hope the nexus devices brings back the juice of HTC device....

XDA and HTC has a very long history....even the name is derived from ... O2 Xda
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] M9guy:
They are not finished Duh lol they have 2 Nexus phones due out and they have a new 2 year contract with Google to make Nexus devices.

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Because tmobile did the exact same thing a while back they took them off their web site and they were only out of stock and went back on when back in stock, so that is why.... Check it out its all documented on the net....
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SacredDeviL666:
buddy i am not arguing for either side... all i am saying its not available anymore at the moment which is evident...

let it be lack of inventory or sales would it make a difference to the consumer? if not why debating over a dead cow... its pulled off mean its pulled off...

as you say we could hope for it to return...

and yes i am geared up for Sailfish!!!!
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xunholyx:
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......................there is no T-Mo in Canada.

I called T-Mo US from Canada.

With you saying that even the people I called at T-Mo US know nothing, even though they put me on hold to check for sure for 10 minutes, makes me wonder what type of proof you want.

Do you need an actual notarized letter from the CEO of T-Mo delivered to you by none other than God himself for proof?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] devsk:
Yeah, that will great.

j/k...:D

I think this debate is gone far enough. Absence from T-Mobile is not what's killing HTC 10. Remember its not even there on AT&T, and I bet most people don't even buy unlocked by paying the full price upfront. I know a few friends who still pay 200$ and get a new iPhone when it comes out: that's their upgrade cycle.

Basically, HTC 10 is a niche product, something that many enthusiasts will buy. It never really made it mainstream. I never saw any ads for it on TV, while I see one for Samsung's and Apple's. Marketing helps find new customers, helps a lot. Word of mouth does not work like it does for movies, because most of your friends are already on the latest phone and are not looking to change. And if they were looking to upgrade, the shelf life of phones is about 6 months: six months from Apr 12, everyone will be talking about HTC Nexus phones and HTC 10 will completely disappear from general public's conscience and will be relegated to XDA forum threads for enthusiasts.

So, chill! Enjoy this phone as long as you can! You will get Nougat on it, and its a great device for a year if not a couple of years.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Helhound0:
Methinks it's due to a several reasons.

1. Flagships are the same now. Same processor, almost always the same RAM, more or less the same display... so on and so forth.

2. This is a flagship phone with a less than remarkable display - It's QHD alright, but it doesn't look like it. It PALES in comparison with top of the line screens like the Samsung's SAMOLED QHD (NOT a Samsung fan btw)

3. Every flagship isn't the same price despite them having similar specs - OnePlus 2, almost as fast as the HTC 10 (albeit older processor) is now almost HALF the price of the introductory price of the 10. And the phones such as the OnePlus 3 (and other similarly low price - high performance phones) are sometimes proven to be faster than the HTC 10. So realistically, the customers have cheaper alternatives with little to no compromise in performance - Why would a sane person (minus people like me) spend more on the same package?

4. So the only selling point the HTC 10 seem to have is the design, which AGAIN, is a love-hate thing at most. I've been using once since before the HTC 10's release date and I don't mind it, but almost EVERYONE that i showed it to had neutral if not negative feedback on the design.

5. I've taken apart the HTC 10 a few times now, once to just peek under the hood and then to replace the midframe i damaged followed by the display. The construction of this phone is AWFUL. I could give a negative repairability score to this phone for some of the dumb implementation decisions they seem to have taken.

There. That's why i think HTC failed with this phone. It's not the amazing device the general public seem to think it is.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] King p1n:
Not surprised.

Phones average no stand out features to differentiate from competition and price was too high.

I paid sub £400 for mine on launch thankfully.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] BizzaBoy:
Just my quick 2 cents.

I got the HTC 10 because the S7 has a locked bootloader on T-Mobile. I wanted to have a Nexus device, but with a SDCARD slot. So perhaps I am the typical buyer, perhaps not.

T-Mobile did a pisspoor job trying to sell the HTC 10 (if they tried at all). The device was not really available in stores. In the greater Denver area I found only one store that would carry it. The phone was hidden among a bunch of lowend devices, next to a Windows 10 brick. There was no signage, not accessories, nothing. Unless you knew what you were looking for, you'd miss it. So I am not surprised that sales might have been low, but at the end, I don't care. I got what I wanted, and I am not following the crowd ...

Guess T-Mobile is not the only one doing a poor job. I went to a Sprint store to take a peek. Well, similar issues. I had to ask for the HTC 10, and the friendly sales person got a box from the backroom ...

I am not sure whether the pricing would have made any difference. If you cannot see the item, you will not buy it. Simple as that.

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That was the reason why I bought it from T-Mobile instead of HTC's web-store. The repairability is next to zero. If I drop this device I'd rather have it replaced by T-Mobile than trying to replace the screen myself (which is a 10 minute affair with Nexus 4, or Samsung S4).

But then again, HTC will do the 2016 Nexus devices. So chances are that those will have the same issues with repairability.