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[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] mocsab:
Kind of crazy to decide to buy or not buy a phone because of an ap that doesn't even come installed on the phone. IN any event, if ROOT is found for the Note 7 - then you can install Xposed)

Chances are very high that the US Varients of the Note 7 are all going to be locked. I will be shocked if TMOBILE does not lock down the Note 7 like they did on the S7 (well if you listen to TMOBILE they say Samsung locked it - not tmobile) whatever, my bet is it is going to be locked.

In any event, the Note 7 is going to be a beast of a phone - just like the S7 Edge -BUT, not much different than the 7 Edge - a little larger - slightly better camera - S Pen of course - but otherwise, not a whole lot different - that is probably the main reason why I am struggling with whether to buy or not - I played with one at Best Buy the other day and I like the feel of Note 7 a lot - the curved screen is slightly different than the S7 Edge - but it still looks amazing - not sure what I am going to do.....we'll see....I love new toys - for that reason alone, I will probably end up getting it - but still havent made a final decision....I will NOT buy a pre-order like I have done with every other phone since the note 2 - I got burned when the S7 Edge turned out to be locked and I am not going to risk that again ...we'll find out soon enough...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] iunlock:
Yea it sure is a toss up at this point and Samsung if you are listening, you are not doing yourself a favor for locking boot loaders. You don't have to worry about anything, because you'll still make the sales off of the majority who don't care about unlocked BL's, but one thing that you do have to understated is that although the phone enthusiasts may make up a small percentage, we are the ones who are responsible for making up the foundation of the phone customizing culture. You are on the edge and about to lower yourself into the apple territory. Don't do that.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] bajasur:
They are rooted at the moment...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] coretech:
Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Xposed is hardly a reason to make the low fruit argument of it might as well be an apple if you can't root it. The fact that I can upload whatever files I want, I can OTG connect keyboards, mice, thumbdrives, expandable memory was brought back, replacement launchers, I can install apps outside of the market, disabled built in software, change what app handles your messages.

Inherently there is so much more flexibility in android. You could drop android back two version numbers and functionality still holds its own against iOS today

All that happens before root.

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If its like the Note 5 when it comes to root (if you can) then it will only kill Samsung Pay. Of course there were other devices (S5/6?) that lost finger print scanning because of the root method. We kind of just have to wait and see.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] vibrantliker:
I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Andrew S.S.:
I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)

means

I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.

I cannot change the boot animation

I cannot use xposed

I cannot do whatever I want

I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life

I cannot have custom ROMs

I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"

I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default

I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery

I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications

I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks

I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background

I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone

I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such

I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card

I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)

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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming

TL;DR:

Root is a requirement in my eyes.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Listing all the things you can do with root is great but my gripe is the claim of "It might as well be an iPhone" when you can't root it. Thats a very low energy argument.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Wow mate, i mean i get the whole lucky patcher thing, but he didn't make any kind of a reference about anything illicit...just seems maybe extreme to infract someone over a mention out of context...fwiw...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] SH4YD33:
I agree with this guy. I did the same thing with the note 5. I waited until they had a solid recovery and unlock before i bought the phone. Note 7 is nice, but i cant live without TEKHD's rom on my Note 5. Its a whole different device, root aside. I'l give a note 7 a try when root/debloat/disable packages is avaliable, and if i dont like it. Back to Tmobile it goes. LoL
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] jason504:
I just looked and yes the T mobile galaxy s7 does have root.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] the Doctor:
Actually he did, but the references to LP were removed. As for the infraction system, it is based on the forum rules which are linked on every page.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
Ohhh...I apologize...I actually use it for ad blocking. I dont cheat...AdAway has not had the best affect with MM 6.0.1....so that was my reasonfor use of the app...I do apologize

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Really? Tmobile?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Here's how it works- when the bootloader boots it looks to each partition for an encrypted signature that we "can't" duplicate (outside chance a certain unnamed tool MIGHT be able to be used to copy the sha256 hash and duplicate then sign another pkg with it- even this is an OUTSIDE CHANCE at BEST, but still pretty unlikely) and it checks the boot.img (kernel & ramdisk), the recovery partition, and the system partition (in addition to potentially others) for Samsung's signature to very them as official. Anything NOT having the signature is therefore NOT official. When the bootloader detects a partition outside the normal user data partitions have been modified it prevents the device booting until officially signed images are flashed. This means twrp recovery=unsigned=no booty...modifying the kernel or ramdisk and flashing the package (no way you can sign it official)=unsigned=no booty...modifying the system partition (rom) with an unsigned pkg=unsigned=no booty....the bootloader works hand-in-hand with knox to check a variety of things in the system (services.jar, framework.jar, etc etc) and if modifications are detected=unofficial=unsigned=no booty....

This being the case, unless someone finds a way to defeat knox, with the bootloader being locked we're effectively locked out...the quadrooter exploit MAY have been a hole, but it's been promptly patched (3 of 4 potential holes were closed on this month's security update, the 4th expected to be patched in next month's) before anything could be discovered...honestly, i don't even know that it would've helped at all...likely not as the quadrooter exploit was a hole in Android, not the bootloader....

Ideally, without a way to obtain Samsung's signature (which we won't get, and if we did they'd just change it) we're pretty much beat...it would take a similar process to what the Israelis used to crack the terrorists iphone open of physically shaving a layer off the rom chips and then copying it to an unlocked tester platform to replace the encrypted signature....so short of millions of dollars to perform this microscopic operation......you get the idea, right? Samsung needs to unlock our devices...but they won't...so buy exynos or go without recovery and roms...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
I was just at the T-Mobile S7 Edge forum and they have root...with locked Bootloader of coarse... basically just super user...at least it was achieved...but they will never have Roms

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I'm still guessing the international variant will be my best bet
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Yes, tmobile. Keep in mind the only reason an exploit exists at all is because a signed repair kernel was leaked, not because a vulnerability was discovered. And the EngBoot image that was used is pretty bad when it comes to battery life and many other optimizations that are sort of necessary for a daily driver....but there IS root....that said, there is NOT twrp recovery or ANY roms/kernels for sd820 s7/s7 edge devices....you get only the original factory rom with the partial ability to debloat, use Xposed, but no custom kernels or roms can be flashed....

And THIS said, the EngBoot image used for the s7 will NOT work for our device...you'll likely just brick it...it needs to be a 930T engboot...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
Im hating the fact I love the Notes...hahaha

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If this is all for "SECURITY" then why did they make the International with the unlocked bootloader?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Yeah i read what he said before the cleaning...*shrug* he wasn't suggesting anything *warez* related other than the mention of the app itself, but it's here nor there....I'm sure he'll be happy to comply fully with all of xda's rules, as am i, including the LP Gag Order....
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
Is that not kind of a contradiction?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
It's not for security...well it is partially...it's primarily two reasons; first and foremost is samsung pay- they want those transaction fees they make inherently and if folks trip knox and can't install EVER Samsung Pay on the device (short of a factory refurb) then that's money out of their pocket, potentially MORE THAN ONCE, cuz even if the device changes hands once knox is 0x1, even if new owner wants to use SP they can't...the second reason is gov contacts where they get large gov contacts to provide devices, which COULD contain classified information and therefore gov's want a device that even a foreign intelligence agency would have difficulty cracking, so between knox and encryption they get it....
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
Wow...I had a feeling money was the agenda...just didn't connect those dots

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Thanks for all the input...I really appreciate it
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
I hate that i love them, too! I also hate samsung won't release the exynos source code....even still we've finally gotten cm13 on exynos, but even pouring what we have so far isn't easy....RaymanFX basically accepted a device from a fundraiser with no intention of finishing the porting, and until Battlehero and then Rainbow_Dash, Lil_Assassin, and The_grim_creeper managed to get it booting AND develop a working kernel there was NOTHING....

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Yup

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Sure thing! See, with Samsung pay most (or A LOT anyway) of that revenue comes from US carrier variants...additionally our carriers are scared to death we'll circumvent things like tethering, etc etc or NOT allow their "diagnostic" software that's only spying on us (google CarrierIQ if you want some interesting reading) and selling our use habits to the highest marketing bidder- these carriers are Verizon and AT&T (big shock, the most expensive ones)...now since samsung decided to use the SAME hardware board in ALL the US variants and VZW and ATT were unwilling to ship unlocked devices, samsung made Sprint and Tmo take locked devices when historically they've always allowed and promoted unlocked ones....

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So we can also thank vzw and at&t for forcing their bs on us as a side effect because they gotta be greedy smh...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] RiffyDivine:
Can't you just go into dev mode and flip the OEM unlock switch? I did it on my tmobile one without anything bad happening. Going to try root once I get home in a bout an hour or so
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] chipworkz:
Back when I had my Droid X on Verizon is was "locked down" but we had custom roms too. Those types of hacks that were done to get around it won't work here as Rx8Driver has done an excellent job of explaining it. Anyone familiar with the S7 being locked should have never expected the Note7 to be unlocked. The S7 was not the norm so it was understandable for everyone (including me) to be upset when it came out and was locked. I came into this phone knowing it will be and will most likely always be bootloader locked. Samsung and T-Mobile are no longer the Dev friendly combination they once were. You either need to get the International version or choose another manufacture that is producing unlocked phones here in the US.

That has ZERO effect at this point in time.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] SBERG117:
Has nothing to do with Bootloader...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] PalmCentro:
Nope... Government devices are safe with Samsung's KLMS (Knox/ELM) which blocks download mode.

So that's not the case why they lock down the bootloaders.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] iunlock:
Just to clarify, we want the "F" model and not the "FD" model yes?

Could ya provide a link to that thread? (I'm on my phone right now and tapa is capping out.)

International variant it is :) At least we have an option.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] jcadduono:
FD model will give you dual SIM support via microSD slot in tray, that's the only difference between F and FD, FD even takes F firmware.

You can also grab N930W8 Canadian Snapdragon instead and get everything from T-Mobile variant with unlocked bootloader, VoLTE enabled via CSC. It seems that Canadian variant doesn't have FM radio enabled yet though. (neither do Exynos ones) It also doesn't seem to support Samsung Pay, but hacking T-Mobile CSC into it would no doubt disable that anyways.

It has not been confirmed whether or not N930W8 supports CDMA yet.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] iunlock:
Thanks mate. Somewhere I've read that it was advised to just get the "F" model over the "FD" model for whatever reason it stated...I think it had to do with dev support and how the second sim slot on the "FD" model would be disabled anyway or something like that. However, you're saying that these two models are exactly the same, less the extra sim slot on the "F" model?

I'm one of those users that do not plan to use or am interested in Samsung Pay, FM radio, voLTE, or WiFi calling. :) voLTE and WiFi calling is all software related anyway yes?

So how about that 128gb/6gb variant eh?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] omf05:
So, the Canadian model is confirmed to have an unlocked bootloader?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] iunlock:
No proof yet. Well as far I know....just a bunch of incompetent TM reps who doesn't know the difference between carrier unlock and BL unlock.

I could be so wrong...please let it be so...I'm curious myself if the Canadian variant is 100000% a green light?

Then again, there's the international Exynos version that I desire over the SD variant. Also, the 128GB/6GB variant that'll be released in the Chinese market any day now...likely in the S.Korean market as well (Home of Samsung).

Decisions decisions...1st world problems of early adopters lol...gosh so thankful.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] omf05:
So true lol

Really hate this wait and see game. I just need a version that has an unlocked bootloader and can support tmobile LTE and I'm all in :)
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] iunlock:
Yea it sucks ... I'm willing to wait, but locking down the BL strips the fun away...thank goodness for the unlocked variants though. I don't know if I could have pulled another Note 5...ie. ..skipping out again all together.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Brava27:
You owe me a dollar. An American dollar. I'm rich *****.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] AllGamer:
hmm... if there's no hope rooting the Note 7, then I'm selling this Note 7, or perhaps I'll just return it back to the store.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Got a download mode screen? ;)
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Brava27:
I do but that doesn't specify anything regarding the bootloader.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
For a w8?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Brava27:
Yes. It doesn't say anything relevant.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
I'm doing exactly that I'm taking this T-Mobile version back and get the international version with Exynos...there is the F and FD versions... would you happen to know the difference between the two? And I'm not 4 Wi-Fi calling or Volte calling either but I did read in another form it's possible they might still work ...even if not..How good would this phone work with Tmobile Sims?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Phone would work great...long as Canadian w8 variant is unlocked you could use it on tmo and still have at least volte, maybe wifi calling on the right rom....the difference between F and FD versions is simply the FD is dual sim compatible if you don't use an sdcard...that's basically the only difference...and only real difference between T and W8 variants, so far, would seem to be the unlocked bootloader (assuming everything we're hearing about it being unlocked is true)
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
The functionality of what Root offers...that functionality

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The got SU only..Due to the bootloader being locked and encrypted you can't put a custom rom because it doesn't have a samsung signature ...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] turilo:
Is there a way to tell if the bootloader is unlocked going into download mode on the Canadian note 7?

I so wish I had mine now, I wouldn't hesitate to test.

Samsung pisses me off. Never should have pre-ordered from them
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
Yup...it'll say Qualcomm secure boot enabled, Qualcomm kernel lock (maybe), and secure download....
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] turilo:
Well if you're right then the Canadian variant bootloader is also locked. Just checked my brothers note 7.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
That doesn't surprise me....try to flash recovery in odin...if it flashes, it's unlocked, if it don't it's locked...but they also locked the G935F intl s7 with last security update
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] DionWhite33:
Seriously!

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Really.... so I guess that means if we get the International Version Note they're going to start locking that one up to! I just deposited $1,000 in the Pay Pal just to order that version and I was heading to T-Mobile to take mine back today since I'm not working...wth?

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I guess at this point I'm just keeping my Note 5 I'll put the note 7 port on there for a while so I get bored with it and then go back to DarthStalker V? .. because Jovy always keep those updated and fresh... maybe around Christmas time the Chinese 6 gigabyte RAM 128Gb Internal storage version will be out and I'll have a few months to see how the locking stuff up goes! This sucks because I've been reading about this phone everyday I mean every single day for months. This would have been the best friend if they would have just stuck with that and kept it unlocked! It would be NOTE history in the best way possible.... now it's the worst

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If they're going to lock stuff to this extreme they should at least make an unlock tool for the people that want it.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] wase4711:
as long as people continue to break their phones by flashing/unlocking/modding/doing stupid stuff to it, and trying to make manufacturers repair/replace them after they screw it up, manufacturers will only further add things to their firmware to lock them up tightly..

Its no different than what the automobile manufacturers have done in the last 10 years, by sealing up everything in the engine compartment, so you cant do anything except add oil/anti freeze/window fluid to your car, so you dont go messing with things that need to be fixed by the manufacturer.

there is no way things are going to ever be "less secure", nor will manufactures provide any sort of "unlock" for those that want to bypass their security

like it or not, this is how manufacturers think they can reduce warranty/service/repair costs..
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Rx8Driver:
It's not even so much the warranty and repair costs...we're talking about the same demographic as folks who would even want root to begin with, and that's a microscopic drop in the bucket...99% of folks can't even tell you what a kernel or a rom IS, or what root even MEANS...and for the small percentage who DO flash and screw up their devices (to date I've NEVER bricked a Samsung beyond recoverable) it's not even enough money to make even a noticeable dent in profits....they're doing it because they want folks to be forced to use CarrierIQ and they went resellable usage data, and they're pushing samsung pay HARD....if we can't debloat or devices then carriers and 3rd parties will pay big money to have their BS forced down our throats...and to hell with knox and all the efuse BS...idc not one iota about a secure freaking folder and i don't pay $1000 to RENT the damn device from samsung. I buy it, i should be free to do whatever i want with it!

And let's not forget in many cases the devices are covered by insurance and samsung gets paid anyway....buy from carrier and samsung is paid in full by the carrier, THEY take the risk of losing device money, which even that is minimal cuz they make their bulk thru service so...............
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] jason504:
I thought once you rooted your phone they will not fix it or service it. Basically your warranty is gone and you're ass out.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Bruce lee roy:
If I ever sold-out and bought a phone with a locked bootloader, I might as well buy an iPhone. Higher quality hardware, more stability (esp after updates), more reliable updates, better ecosystem...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] raw2000j:
theres always been a way to restore it i have never had problems returning them.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
But no way to undo a tripped Knox status. Even if they take it back and don't give you any grief I couldn't imagine they aren't keeping a running count of how many devices they get with tripped counters.