yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
To the best of my knowledge ... some people have indeed successfully created ROMs with a functioning Biotouch Cube interface (Artemis, Charmer, Wizard to name a few). But to do this, they actually replace the version of touch.dll that normally comes on the device with the version that comes with the Elf. While this is obviously a viable and functioning approach ... it can only be done through flashing a new ROM.

I wanted to pursue an option that could be installed via a cab. I also heard that trying to flash the Elf touch.dll on a Hermes was not working. Finally ... I haven't seen/heard of anyone trying to put an Elf touch.dll on a Kaiser, and writing my own biotouch interface application seemed a lot easier than learning how to cook my own ROMs.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cAnArdtichAud:
Damn..it could be grat !!! xD
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
No need to be jealous ... if you've already got the cube running, then try out my alpha release! Will run just as good as the Touch!

I sent you a PM re: the touch.dll

As for running the cube in the Windows Mobile 5 emulator ... I'm not sure. I never really tried ... and I'm not exactly sure how it works. I guess you'd have to able to install apps into the emulator environment (4 TouchFLO cube apps plus their graphics and registry entries). Anyone care to chime in about trying to do something like this in the Visual Studio device emulator?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] megaman:
I think i'm lucky !

i've just download your alpha and tested it.

it works great on my french kaiser .

no bug till now.i've tested it till 30 minutes.

perhaps a bit slow at the first seconds and then everythings went smoothly !!!

i don't see what could be improved !

btw, just wanted to point that i've duttythroy alpha2 installed at first and it worked on my kaiser with some modification :

i deldted apl - biotouch - hub fom windows\start up

and deleted a key in registry: quickdial

nice work !

one more question : why the time limit ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bchau:
Kona, just one suggestion. Would be great if the Cube can be rotated L-R and R-F using the D-Pad as well. I think that is far more reliable and quicker than using the finger.

Thanks for continue to work on the TouchCube as I thought it was an unfinished business.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
@Kona,

Do you think that this would work in the Blue Angel running WM6? I am asking simply because I do not feel like re-flashing my device.... again :)

Thanks!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Good to hear ... I hope you mean that even after the 30 mins, you still haven't had any problems.

The slowness in the first few spins of the cube is likely due to the fact that the individual apps for each cube face are not yet running, so they have to start up on the first spin. After that, it's much quicker to redisplay the cube face because those app stay memory-resident. In the installations that I've seen that use the ns script and Touchflo in the startup do not respond well when you try to "pre-init" the cube face apps in startup as well. I'm suspicious that it has something to do with this touchflo app, because in my mind, outside of preloading the cube apps, I don't know why anything other than FTouchFlo should need to be in startup. We'll see though ... I'll be working on getting a solid install from scratch soon.

And I agree ... I think dutty's alpha 2 install is a good base for me to start from (pending his approval). I'm hoping that I'll be able to rip the old parts out, and sub in my new app, and everything will work out great.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
I was just thinking about what else I could try to add to my cube controller ... and spinning via dpad did cross my mind. This doesn't end up being exactly trivial, because I haven't made any mods to the actual biotouch.exe or any of the cube apps. When you're on a given face of an app ... it's that HTC app that is the foreground window. But I'm wondering if I can't register a listener for dpad events, and trigger the cube based on that. I'll put it on the wish list.

What can be done even sooner though ... is you will be able to assign any of the cube functions (open, close, left, right) to any hardware button you can assign a shortcut to. Actually, if you're familiar with link files, you can do it now ... but I'll be adding them in my next release probably too.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Oops, forgot to answer this. I added an expiration date simply because this is a very early alpha release. It hadn't yet been tested on anything other than my device ... and I didn't want someone to go crazy and burn it into their ROM.

Fear not ... I will remove the expiration date when I feel that the software is ready for a prime-time release. Although, I could be using this alpha just to get people hooked, and then complain about the vast amount of effort I put into the project and lack of donations received ... and threaten to never release a new version :eek:

Nah ... I wouldn't do that ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinson:
thx, it works in my hermes. but it working extremely slow. btw, thx.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinson:
thx, it works in my hermes. but it working extremely slow. also, i do have the "rainbow color" issue in my machine. btw, thx.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
'96 LavaDome hardtail in metallic orange :D Although by this point, only the frame, brakes, shifters, handlebar, and seat are stock.

I'm pretty sure that people have gotten this to work on a Hermes. I starting to think that a *lot* of the old "black screen" problems were related to the breakthrough that Raven_coda came up with ... and now that the startup items are worked out, the HTC cube is working better than ever!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Not exactly sure why that would be ... most people are reporting good speed. Can you be more specific?

Which part is slow (i.e. the time between a swipe and the cube starting to rotate, or the cube rotation itself)

How slow is slow? (2 seconds between the time I swipe and the cube rotates to a new face, 4 seconds, 8 seconds?!?!)

Have you tried mapping to hardware buttons, just to see if that is any faster. Try to determine where exactly the slowdown is occurring?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] arty:
im using an hermes too. the cube opens and closes in a good speed, but sliding left or right is a little bit slow, like 0,5 sec.

but the main problem is the contact side of the cube. when i slide to that side it takes like 3-4 sec to show the contacts.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
How many contact pictures do you have? I only have two in pictures in mine right now ... and there's a brief hesitation before it displays, but nothing like 3-4 secs.

Anyone else care to comment on their experience with the Contacts cube face, and it's speed in rendering photos? I could be that it's clearing it's screen and releasing the memory for those images when you navigate away from the QuickDial app ... in favor of better memory management, with the obvious downside of taking longer to reload.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] elgreek84:
Yeah I was going to comment on the slow Contacts page, but decided not to.

Definitely, that's one of the drawbacks of this cube that makes it seem like its running slow. Ihave all 9 pictures there (the pics embedded in the outlook contacts)

Just tried it right now with 1 pic, took about 4 seconds to rotate and finally load on the first try, 3 seconds on the second.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] arty:
how many contacts/pics i have added there? well...none! :D

everything is filled with "ADD".
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] motisu:
NP, Gets me angry that people are SO inconsiderate:mad:.

I also am having the slowdown on the contacts page. I added all 9 contacts, but I have NO pictures. Even so, it takes a good couple of seconds to load.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JudgeDredd67:
I have all 9 contacts filled with photos and I see the same as others. The default page loads the it takes 2 to 3 sec for the photos to load.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinison:
wow... thanks so much
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Neo-theone:
I have only installed the HTCCube2 and it rocks! No need to instal any other files...

Have no probs with the contacts loading pictures. I turn the cube and within a second the pics will display. Even deleting contacts is not a problem.

Only changed the GestureWaitingDelay from 10000 to 50000 and works great and much faster.

@Kona_Mtbkr:

Can you tell me please/ or do you know how to change Icons in the app. cube?

I want to change the calender icon to TomTom icon.

All the changes in the cube setting will work, but the change of the icon's do not work. I have tryed it in the reg. but it doesn't work as well.

Also do you know why I dont get the screen picture of the cube in the right corner when I'm in the cube setting. It only shows me a light blue square, but when I tap into it I'm still able to select the cube buttons to change things...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] wacky.banana:
Speed of the Cube & Other "problems"

Guys,

Maybe I can help out here. I run this on a Hermes/TyTn so my experience should be relevant to a lot of you.

When I loaded up Raven_Coda's (RC) initial cab I found that the speed with which the cube operated was very good. I then loaded up Xplode's cab with Kona's items within it and I noticed a slowdown in the cube. Kona indicated in this thread that he thought the problem was with the gesture delay, which was set at 10000. I set mine to 50000 and the speed problems immediately resolved themsleves. In fact I am running mine at 70000 and all is well.

With regard to the contacts side of the cube I don't have speed problems with this either. When you spin the cube it takes about half a second for the pictures to be populated. The quality of the pictures is a little grainy (definitely a cube problem as the thumbnails I use are high quality) but that's about it.

In terms of LR & RL swiping, I find that the speed at which these applications open depends on whether your apps minimise when you press the x button or close. If its the former then, after the first swipe to open the app(s), subsequent swipes get the apps to open almost instantaneously. If your apps always completely close then there is a small lag before LR & RL swipes take effect.

Hope this helps.

WB

PS - The tool that is in Xplodes cab to personalise the cube is excellent, albeit its a little hard to see on the Hermes. The only thing that's missing is the ability to change the colour of the cube. I hate that grey background with a vengeance!

I have tried to contact the author of the tool for his help in getting an enhancement built in but not yet heard from him.

Any other developers up to the challenge please?

Thanks

WB

PPS: Anyone know where Windows Mobile 6 keeps its library of icons please?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Interesting ... and disappointing at the same time. Hmm, I was formulating a theory that this was due to processor speed, but if an empty contact list still takes several seconds to appear ... then I'm not sure.

I have 2 pictures, and added 4 more non-photo contacts for a total of 6, and on my Kaiser, it's still only a brief 1 second between the time the rotate animation stops, and the contacts appear.

Another theory I had ... is that maybe contacts on HTC Home was somehow interfering, or making the cube slower. Everybody was upset then the Contacts disappeared from HTCHom and wanted them back ... but I'm wondering if there isn't a reason they get "turned off". It's just a theory, I haven't tested it out at all. I put the reg key back in there and let it disable my HTCHome contacts ... since the cube runs so well on a Kaiser!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ^^rac:
Bad quality contact pics

(I found out a fix for this one, it seemed like Outlook degrades te quality of the photo contacts on the cube, when i installed Pocket CM, i reloaded all my contact photos again, from the start, and the quality of the photos on the cube is 100%! Go try it out)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] elgreek84:
So I guess the real problem I have with the contacts page is not necessarily that it takes 2-3 seconds to load, but that when you're rotating the cube, lets say right 3 times, when you hit the contacts page if you swipe during the 2-3 second period nothing happens and you have to reswipe until after the pictures load.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Excellent feedback .. bravo! This is the kind of conversations that I wanted to foster on this thread!

I know that almost complete customization of the cube is possible ... as there's a thread over in the Elf forums about Cube Customization. It's where I picked up the different rotation animations I included. You've got to edit the BRN files that Biotouch relies on ... and there's a tool over there BMP-from-BRNs that you need. Tons of info available here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=325424
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Good tip ... I'll need to try this, and add it to my Hints/Tips page (did I make that yet?! Maybe if I spent less time posting/replying :) )
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ^^rac:
I did a little test

I have a Hima running WM6.

The speed is not to bad, but there is a slight delay from swiping up and L-R etc. The speed is not bad, but would like it just a tick faster.........

Any advise?

Then, i installed it on my friend's P3400 WM5, its screen is smaller than mine, and it only sports a 200 MHZ processor. The cube a lightning fast oon that device. Running exactly the same speed as the Touch.

I was quite impressed! I wonder if the screensize could have an impact on this?

Hope the feedback helps!

Thanks for the cube!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ^^rac:
Try it, you would be amazed by the quality.

Because i used pocket cm, then i Hard resetted my device, i did not bother to load pocket CM.

I was confused about why the pics looked that bad, after it was always looking quite well. After process of elimination, i found that the answer was with Pocket CM retaining the quality of the contacts pics!!

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] killeredge:
so can someone post a link to the cab file(which includes everything i need to install it) please?? i downloaded the link on the first page, but i dont have the ApLauncher.exe, QuickDial.exe, MediaHubMini.exe, and Biotouch.exe and i dont know where to get it??? help!?!?!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] zaharakis:
great job :eek:

i run it in my htc tytn ii and the speed of cube is fantastic :eek:

some bugslike

1. when you trying to modify screen alingment (that is not working any more) the phone stops responding

2.kaiser tweak is one way to adgust touch flo speed

3.faster power drain ....and only this is the only matter for me,

4.the programs are now not closing immediatelly by touching x button on screen (you must close them from any task manager after) but if you use ok hardware button then they are closing at once! and this ok for me .

keep up the good work !!

my regards
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tsant7:
After some efforts

1 Uninstall all the possible threats (HTC Home plug, PocketCM contacts) and reinstall the Cube, still not possible to add/remove/edit contacts from the cube side

2 Without HTC Homeplug, the Cube went much faster, even better by the good already response, while all the rest loaded, on Trinity

Tryouts on a WM5 trinity. Still cannot edit the contacts
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] GiGiSSiMo:
U have to install raven_coda cab first (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1667725&postcount=44) and then update with the .zip in first post READING instructions.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] wacky.banana:
Killeredge,

There is no way you have read this thread properly. What you are looking for is right inside this thread!! :mad:. The thread is only 21 pages long so a 10 minute read or less is all you need to find the alternative cab with all that you need.

WB

@ Kona,

Thanks for the link to the elf thread. Will see what I can do with this info. ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] blazingwolf:
Hmm, didn't see anyone post on this and I just checked again. I also did not see anyone post the error message I am getting with QuickDial.exe. I was hoping that Kona might see this and be able to help out. I think it might have something to do with HTC certificates but I'm not sure about that.

I did install the SDKcerts.cab file but this didn't help. Does anyone have a cab of the HTC certificates that I might try to see if this rectifies the problem?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] douginoz:
Perhaps rather than expecting everyone that ventures upon this thread to read all 21 pages to find out that they have to download several things, the o.p. could simply keep the first post updated with all the files and steps needed to install.

Forcing all users to delve into the depths, and follow along with, every nuance of the development just so they can try things out is probably not realistic.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bishopau:
I would argue that this forum was never intended for people without a knack for technology nor the will to read and learn - that's what FreewarePPC.com was made for.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
From Post #1, just under the large bold red and blue text:

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Currently just a zip archive, I may build a cab installer over the weekend, just for my app (for you that already have the cube installed). For a complete cube installation, please check with duttythroy on his thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=336482

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Also, from the Rules: section on Post #1

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For now, this thread is intended for people who already have a working version of the TouchFLO Cube on their system.

I'd prefer to keep this thread research & development oriented. I don't want this to turn into another thread of a million posts by people who are getting cube black screens and want help.

The cube still has a few unknown nuances/dependencies ... so this thread will be most suited for people familiar with alpha version software.

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Technically speaking ... I never intended to create a cab installer myself until I had a good functioning version of the app. There already were a couple of installs for the cube software itself, and early on ... duttythroy contacted me, and since he had created the original cab install that got me going on this project, I just decided to let him continue building cabs, while I focused on the app. Other people then jumped in and created their own cabs including my software shortly after the beta release ... but I hesitate to Page 1 link to them until I have had a chance to look them over, and I just haven't had the time to do so.

I feel I have provided adequate documentation for my application itself (the thing I actually wrote), and have tried to provide as much support as possible. I tried to make my intentions clear in Post #1, that the thread was going to focus on enhancing the interface to the HTC cube, a concept that was started several months back. I have every intention of wrapping things up at some point and I believe we will have an excellent cube installer cab the will work on a variety of devices sometime in the near future. I also think that anyone who is looking at beta software needs to understand that it might not always have a simple one-click installation process. Beta to me means that the pieces are really starting to come together, but we'll put them out there for those that are technically savvy enough to jump through the required hoops in order to check things out. Once things approach a final release, then you can start to expect a complete and simplified installation.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ayyu3m:
Way to go bro........

All the best ma man, Kona_Mtbkr. :D You can do it :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinson:
Kona_Mtbkr,

according the readme file ,we can use shortcut link in App_2. but i can't do that. @.@ can you give a example for using "lnk" file? is it same as the exe file? also the use of param_2 function? should it be double quoted? thx a lot!

also, the cube become very slow when it at the contact page. any solution?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JudgeDredd67:
Yes, both work very well. You can even set FTouchFlo to turn the virtual pages in WAD.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] simonte:
Any news on this problem?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cruzzmz:
i also want to know
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] duhhh:
me 2 :confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
You're correct ... for the moment, LNK files don't appear to be working. I'll look into this, thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] philidor:
i'm new with Cube. I installed today. Good good job!

I'm starting the tests!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] emanuel-paul:
hello

great job.

is it possible, to change the function of the minimize-app? i would like to get back to the last page of the cube with updown-scrolling. at the moment i get to the last open app and have to reopen the cube with downup-scrolling.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] T3D0nG:
can u teach me on how to install it properly? i am really noobie in this. :)

thanks!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JudgeDredd67:
Just follow the directions in the "installation" readme included in the zip.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kona_Mtbkr:
The FTouchFloConfig.txt file holds the key to what happens on each gesture. Although, if you want an Up-Down gesture to open up the cube to the last cube face you were previously on when the cube is not running, but do something else (like close the cube) when it is running ... hmm, I'm not sure you can do that at the moment. "Normally" you map Down-Up to open the cube, and it always opens the cube (doesn't do much of anything if the cube is already open). You could reverse this to open the cube on the Up-Down gesture ... but it would always open the cube (and animation would still be from the bottom, unless you switched it around, which I've heard people trying to do over on the Elf Cube customization thread)

Not sure I answered your question ... perhaps give me a little more detail about what gesture should be doing what (cube open vs. cube closed) and I'll see if the right params are in there (and/or add them if not!)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] herg62123:
try this cab file. this has everythimg including schaps config file.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] neokn1973:
I'm a newly signup but I had been reading this forum for quite awhile.

Cheers to the script writer, Kona_Mtbkr for his hard work. Now I would like to d/l this file but rapidshare screwed up and i had reach my d/l limit for mega upload. Any kind member can direct/ upload to another site for d/l.

Thanks in advance.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] James62370:
I just updated my ROM to WM6 5.2.1948 Build 18548.0.7.0 and the contacts page with 9 pics loaded in less than 1 second... not sure if this helps or not... just thought I'd let you know... it was much slower as previously reported when using 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0

By the way, thank you very much for your hard work Kona, it is a very cool application :)