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[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Lol you must have not seen the threads where people are tossing around comments like "last samsung", "samsung is worse than apple", "anyone want to buy my Galaxy S Whatever, I'm tired of waiting for CM".

Plenty of XDA users run out and buy the latest Samsung (or whatever device) well before a root and rom method is sorted out. Betting everything on a wing and a prayer that another human being (we'll call them "Dev") will pull magic out their rear end. Some even pay into bounties. So when it is all said and done and if the out come isn't favorable, then the flame wars start.

So I don't imagine it is too far fetched that someone would pre order while still hoping for unlocked bootloader, root, kernel sources, stable CM, fast updates, etc etc..
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Andrew S.S.:
Lmao true . It isn't far fetched because it does happen. But I do understand what you mean and yea it's kindof.. not so smart but people are gonna do it anyways.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] chipworkz:
Regarding root and roms and the comparison with the S7 being rootable but no custom roms. These are two different issues \ subjects. Having root does not mean you can install a custom rom in this case. Having root just gives you root access but the bootloader is still locked on the S7 so having root does not allow you to install a custom rom.

I am almost certain the same will apply to the Note 7. If the bootloader comes locked, that is the end of installing custom roms on it. There is a chance that an engineering kernel could get released for it like the S7 but it is hardly usable for a daily driver from what I saw.

If you are buying a Note 7, you should be planning on it being locked down and be happy with it the way it is. If not, like others have said you should wait until if at some point the phone is unlocked \ becomes rootable, you can decide to buy it then.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
I'll hope for root because it's human nature but ultimately I always purchase (unless its nexus) with the worse case scenario in mind of no root.

Then I ask myself will I enjoy the device otherwise? Samsung has always kept me a little more content so I will be happy either way. I think I am most excited for Samsung Pay.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Andrew S.S.:
You are very smart for doing it that way. But I'm glad you can enjoy it without root.. I just really, really prefer to have root. But yea samsung pay will be exciting hopefully
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] SBERG117:
Why does anyone expect the Bootloader to be unlocked after seeing the S7??

If you're on XDA then you more than likely follow the progression of devices and would have certainly seen the S7 forums....

The Bootloader on the N7 will be locked, that's for sure. I myself said that regardless of it being locked I still want it and have ordered one. I was in a T-mo store today for something and they had a floor model in Coral Blue... The phone just looked awesome... I'll be a happy camper when mine arrives.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] raw2000j:
they rooted galaxy s7 edge for tmobile I'm sure our will be too in time.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Bruce lee roy:
Locked bootloader makes presence on xda pointless.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] wase4711:
THIS..

Locked bootloader; no rom flashing, period

Its a shame that T Mobile allowed it to happen on the S7, and that bodes poorly for any other Samsung phones going forward

went with a Nexus a year ago, and never had more fun with a phone in my life!
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] shook187:
Like me and many of the older members on XDA, we outgrow ROM flashing and no longer consider tweaking a phone fun.

With leasing programs carriers offer like Jump On Demand on T-Mobile I just pretty much jump to a new phone every 3 or 6 months for my "phone fun"

I currently do flash things but not phones... I get more fun out of flashing the ECU on my WRX.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] chipworkz:
I am right there with you. I got tired of flashing roms because a lot of the devs kept putting a bunch of crap into the roms just to show they could. The roms stopped making the phones better and become much more bloated than the factory rom. I spent a LOT of time doing mods and theming but it gets old after a while. The only thing I am going to miss with a locked down phone is Viper4Android.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Bildo41383:
As long as i can install ad-away, ill be a happy camper.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Bruce lee roy:
You guys don't get it. I also don't flash roms the way I once did but then again, the idea behind open source and the development community was never about the individual or exclusivity. It's about sharing and freedom to express. Try to recall the first time you flashed a rom; remember simultaneously flashing the metaphorical bird at the closed source homogenized Apple environment. Don't you want the next generation of digital explorers to experience that same feeling? Isn't it liberating to know that the freedom is there should you wish to exercise it?

And Don't be fooled to think that we are a voiceless minority. I think the fact that Samsung added SD cards after removing them proves that our voices can be heard. We just need to be unified in our insistence that we will not accept or support manufacturers that refuse to give us the freedoms that we rightly deserve. They need to know that we don't want another iPhone. And it's not just Samsung either because Google is heading that way as well.

Please don't allow yourself to be sheeped by supporting devices with locked bootloader.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] raw2000j:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3435789

S7 Edge tmobile rooted and it came with locked bootloader so it's possible for note 7 too
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] wase4711:
here again, "rooting", and dealing with a locked bootloader are two entirely different restrictions...
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] OxyClean:
I got root on my tmo s7e via the leaked engineer image. Dint think the image was intended for daily use...buggy. People are able to tweak and make work better...I Odin back to stock image for stability. The locked boot loaders are in the way of making anything great out of being rooted from engineer image.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Its not about being "sheeped" whatever that means. Its about enjoying your device and truthfully earlier on lots of devices needed to be rooted and rommed to be bearable. Not so much the case now.

The thing is that Android is and for a long time will continue to be open source. Touchwiz, and other oem skins will continue not to be.

Yes there are voices to be heard when it came to the SDcard but at the same time XDA users and the mod in general community werent the the only ones bothered by that. It was an every user thing.

Instead of pulling up a soap box, just go buy a nexus, htc, or any other number of devices that come unlocked.

Android has always been great for choice and if you cannot root and rom the newest Samsung guess what, there will be other options.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] cwalker0906:
its a hack ass root
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] raw2000j:
least it's rooted will only get better
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Until they update beyond the current egineering kernel.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] raw2000j:
yep
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] SBERG117:
Android is open source...That hasn't changed. It's the phone makers and carriers that locked the phones up after they take Android and configure it how they please.

And why shouldn't they??? They took the time to configure things to their liking for what they feel their customers would want so why shouldn't they be able to protect it if they choose to do so???

I mean realistically no one is stopping you from building your own phone, taking Android and configuring it any way you please... In that sense it would absolutely free you from everything you posted, right??? You would have all the open source freedom you could ever imagine....
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] wase4711:
or, just buy a Nexus phone and you get pretty much the same thing, at least for now
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] kaysun:
Been rooting since the G1 but I don't wanna consider myself "old" :D Main reason for rooting for me is to de bloat factory rom and to customize the UI. Big fan of blacked out theme. With the advancement of android, it seems that we can disable alot of stuff we do not use AND theme the phone to our liking without root.

It would be cool if the bootloader is unlocked. People will get this phone regardless. To the flashaholics, get yourselves a nexus or an HTC. Peace.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Jfree3000:
This, its like jailbreaking an iPhone. You are stuck on that version and if you update you can not jailbreak. Learned this painfully by buying my first apple product (6s+) and talk about zero freedom.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] RaymondPJR:
I was never a heavy flasher so I won't miss it as much as some, but still it's my phone once I pay for it! I'd like to have a little freedom to pick and choose what extra features that Rooting can bring! Compared to the general population, I think the numbers that root are small, am I right? So what's the fuss with the carriers?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] SBERG117:
That's on the carriers... That really has nothing to do with Android being open source.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] RaymondPJR:
I never argued that it was. To be honest I think locked bootloaders is a result of the deal made with banks to keep contactless payments safe. This is the first time I'll experience a locked bootloader on a T-Mob branded Samsung. They've never been this restrictive.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] kitten79:
Anybody get a shipped notice yet? I am losing my mind over here wanting the phone to get here! ha ha
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] msherman123:
My guess is Samsung is locking things down so they can get more into the corporate sales of devices. Businesses require a secure device, and unfortunately, it is way more profit for them to cater to the corp user.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Ry&Owley:
http://imgur.com/a/FDnQh

TMobile:

Thank you for choosing TMobile.

How may I assist you today?

You: Will the new note 7 have a locked and encrypted bootloader? Root is important to me.

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I would be happy to provide you with information regarding the Samsung Galaxy Note 7.

Drake: To better assist you, I'd like to ask you a few questions.

Drake: May I ask if you're an existing TMobile

subscriber?

You: yes

Drake: In regard to your question, I sincerely apologize to inform you that my team specializes in Sales support and doesn't have

necessary tools to answer technical question, what I can do to help you is refer you to our tech support team. If ever you can't make a call,

we can transfer you to our Care Chat team who can also help you with your concern. Would that be alright with you?

You: ok

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Juliaana M: The new Samsung Galaxy Note 7 doesn't have locked and encrypted bootloader. Root will void the warranty of the device.

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You: Yes thank you, I'll be choosing to pre order based on this information

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[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
I hate to be that guy but you would save so much time by just jumping to the last few lines. Everything else doesnt really help. That being said and knowing CSRs I will believe it when I see it.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Ry&Owley:
Better? Also when you cut information you lose context for example, the second person is in a different department not just the front line chat CSR. You wouldn't know that if you chop down the conversation like that.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Or you could be like I called got a level two csr and this is what they said.. quote unquote

Just happens every time there is a situation like this. A wall of text for a maybe answer.

Either way take it with a huge grain of salt. If its not on their script they don't know but are likely to never give an answer in the negative.

Its like they get paid to be mildly incompetent.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] omf05:
I just message them on twitter about the bootloader and got this..

https://twitter.com/TMobileHelp/status/763759545516695552

https://twitter.com/TMobileHelp/status/763759547936899073
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
Maybe its me but the first message doesnt open, whats it say

Edit: Network issue for me, got it to open. So basically they didnt answer if it was or wasnt but likely it is and then the same caveat that we had with the s7.

Working with Samsung. Sounds about right.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] omf05:
Pretty much the same answer they been giving us since the s7 launched.

I really want to pre-order it, but I have an s7 edge already. I been on the fence the past 2 days about ordering it.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] PapaWangsta:
Dude, I hope this is true. This is getting sweeter and sweeter by the minute. :D
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] omf05:
From android Authority

Samsung has briefed us that Knox has been updated to version 2.7 in preparation for the Note 7’s arrival.

SEE ALSO: SAMSUNG EXPLAINS HOW THE GALAXY NOTE 7 IRIS SCANNER WORKS

The new Know update, of course, takes advantage of the cutting edge iris scanner, like with the new Secure Folder feature that separates an encrypted area for private apps and documents, but there’s also underlying defenses that are significantly improved. For instance, the system’s core kernel is getting a Call Flow Protection defense, which oversees communication between the software and hardware. Hackers often use this medium to stealthy gain access.

We’re additionally told that security isn’t the only area being addressed, but also management and productivity. Knox 2.7 won’t let you keep running on old firmware, as an OTA-like updating for firmware will be administered by the company. The security system has also enhanced support for Single Sign On (SSO), used by corporations for quick authentication across multiple applications. Phone number access through the Contacts app has also been improved, now recognizing extension numbers and adding Phone Book Access (PBA) for car use.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] wase4711:
hate to burst your bubble, but the chances of a CS rep from T Mobile knowing about this at this point is about 5%, at best..

you'll only know if the bootloader is locked after someone here actually gets one; their CS/Tech reps are wrong at least 95% of the time

and, even if the boot loader isn't locked, its always a long wait and a nightmare for any devs to actually build something for a Samsung phone; the vast majority of dev's have abandoned Samsung products, and have moved on to HTC/Nexus/one Plus or anything else but not Samsung..
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] PapaWangsta:
Hey now, 1 can always dream haha.

Well, you are kind of true regarding the T-mo's CS/Tech reps.

U R a little bit off, about, "vast majority of devs abandoned". There are handful of great devs still supports sammy's stuff. Shoot, as long as [MENTION=4107827]TEKHD[/MENTION] onboard, I'm all satisfied. :D
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] wase4711:
yep, I remember TEKHD's stuff when I still had Sammy phones..

when are these phones supposed to ship?

Curious as to how the tmobile ones will come through..
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] PapaWangsta:
Mine says deliver by tomorrow. haha, j/k. Let's hope it's soooon. I ordered mine through Samsung.

Shoot, the black onyx matching nicely with my black watch.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Deadclown:
I'll wait until the European model comes out. Maybe even the Chinese model and see what's going on. I NEEDS root because I can't stand ads and I like the customization options. If nothing pops up I'll try a different phone
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] GeoFX:
If you want an unlocked bootloader, get a HTC or a Nexus. Samsung will never get one unless an exploit is found and good luck waiting for it. Samsung Pay is what drives this decision and will be here to stay so stop complaining about it because it's really tiresome to hear noobs talk about this. All the current Samsung flagships are still great phones and the sense of root/unlocked bootloader entitlement that people have is ridiculous. Nobody is forcing you to spend the money so don't ***** about it.

Even the current root methods (there is NO unlocked bootloader people) for the S7 and S7 Edge is unsatisfactory because of the engineering boot kernel required, which results in quick overheating and battery drain (irregardless of what the fanboys tell you).
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] omf05:
I've been putting my s7 edge through some test as I too hated the heating problem when I 1st rooted my s7 edge.

With TekHD rom and Kernal and bug fix Zip.

My phone only gets hot while playing games. The battery life with root dropped 22 mins less then I got with stocked. I got 6hr 20 mins of SOT as to 6hrs 40 to 45 mins I use to get.

That said I truly only wanted Adaway, but reverted back to stock because I do play games and Adguard blocks everything.

Everyone buying the US model should except this phone to be locked down!
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] Bruce lee roy:
For some reason I don't think the late great Jerry Garcia would would support your heavy handed push for censorship, but I digress.

Many of us have been rooting our Samsung phones since Samsung's early android day, so a locked bootloader can be a hard pill to be forced down our throat. For myself, dating back to the Galaxy S Vibrant, I've never owned a device from another manufacturer and they have all rooted and rom'd. Even nexus I owned (Nexus S) was Samsung. So as a long-time loyal customer I think I've earned the right to voice my discontent, at least just as much of a right that you have to express your satisfaction.

There a two problems I see with the line of reasoning you mentioned about Samsung Pay:

1. Doesn't the n5 offer Samsung Pay without locked bootloader? Can't we at least be given the choice to store our personal information on our own device vs freedom to modify.

2. I realize the technology is different but Doesn't android pay work on rooted devices? Shouldn't it be my choice to share my financial information with a terminal that I know to be more likely compromised?

I guess I've just never been a proponent of bending over and taking it with a smile.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] GeoFX:
I don't know any Note 5 root method (with or without an unlocked bootloader) except the one for the S7 SD820 variants that wouldn't trip Knox and shut down Samsung Pay. There used to be xposed mods that would effectively allow you to rootcloak but you'd be forced to sticking with old versions of firmware if that's really what you want to do.

Android Pay does work with root for the S7 but that's definitely not the same as Samsung Pay. What makes Samsung Pay great is that it works pretty much anyway with the MTS tech (any old card swiper). Android and Apple Pay require nfc-enabled card swipers.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] pcriz:
You don't need a locked bootloader for Samsung pay. What stops Sammy Pay from working is a tripped Knox counter. So if they lock the bootloader, unofficial firmware cannot be loaded (custom recovery/kernel) and thus you cannot trip the counter.

Unfortunately now the stable roots on the N5 require you to either flash a custom kernel or flash twrp and then SU.

Android pay was working on rooted devices because they fashioned a way around the safe guards. Thing is Android pay isn't looking for knox.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] ZiprLips:
I wouldn't call myself a flashaholic, but I did very much enjoy sampling different roms on old devices. It does chapp my ass, but those days are over. Sammy will never return to an unlocked bootloader.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] WolfW:
Bootloader locked
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] TechBSwift:
Well I'm running the engine boot note r, and yes battery life is not as good but lag and overheating problems don't exist. Now root is huge for people with unlimited data and people who hate ads!!! I buy almost every worth while phone for my tech channel so I can complain lol. Yes that includes iPhones..
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] MrBigKid:
^^^

I believe this as well. Satisfying the security of the pay system will bring them a much larger return in the future compared to the relatively few who want to root.

MBK
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] JaguarXT:
I agree with few others that you are a little heavy handed here.

This forum is for people to learn about and how-to do things with their device/s, including rooting. People come to XDA for years learning how to root their devices. As well as learning about the good and bad sides of rooting their devices. This is about educating the user so they can make the best decision for themselves and their device/s.

Galaxy Note series has always been for the business minded. And Knox is valuable for business minded likes, So there is some thought that the user should consider before unlocking bootloader and rooting. I am myself thinking about the pros and cons of locked bootloader, unrooted, with Knox features -vs- unlocking the bootloader and rooting.

Please educate people rather than scorn them.
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] nofroyo:
With samsung pretty much stuck on locked bootloader now with T-mobile is it really even worth having an unlocked bootloader or root? I mean I love enjoying doing all the roms and root stuff just like any other enthusiast. I moved from the S7 Edge, to HTC10 and now im deciding if root and custom roms are worth giving up?

Right now I am on HTC10 and the only gripe I have is the battery life. Any other users way these two options? if so what made you decide to give it up or stick to your guns?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] shook187:
Did you read this thread? How about even read a few post ahead of yours? How about this last page?
[T-Mobile Note 7  Questions & Answers] caniranges:
I still have a note 4.... I ve been waiting for this phone for 2 years.

I cant hardly wait

its unfortunate that were getting screwed over with the 820 chip and the Locked forever bootloader, but its even worse for me as a canadian, cos the S7 edge has the exynos in Canada, so the S& edge is going to perform better than the note and yet the note costs almost 200 canadian more....

i cant be suckered into that bad a deal

so im going to have to wait 5 months and buy a used international Note7 from ebay.

This is why people like us are anxiously

hoping

and checking to see if

somehow

the news is better on the Tmobile front