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[Note 7 Questions & Answers] borisb:
ZTE Axon 7 here.

Had the note 5, sold it for the N6P, never buying Samsung again.

Go ahead and purchase the note 7 for $800, test its bugs, reboots, memory issues. Then experience some factory resets.

Then you might get an update and within the next 18 moths you will wait for Nugget.

For one note 7 I can buy 2 Axons.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] EarlZ:
Nexus 6P to P9 Plus to Note 7
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
I'm kinda on the fence here. I really love my 6p for the unmatched buttery smoothness of the interface and the fact that we'll be on Nougat one of these days already. But honestly I've been missing the gorgeous screen that Samsung offers in their top range products and I also do love the design of the Note 7. I'm a bit afraid though that the interface just won't be as smooth as the 6p and that would definitely start to irritate me. And Samsung's update policy sucks so hard that that's also a factor ...

I wanted to upgrade to the Nexus Marlin by HTC which is due for next month but I don't like the specs too much so far, let alone the design. So not sure yet what I'll do .. But since I'm an update freak I'll probably go ahead and buy the Note 7 one of these days, a year with the same phone is just too boring :)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
Nice. And you'll need 2 Axons. One to use while you're trying to get any kind of in or out of warranty support should the other one need it. Huawei won't even replace a display on the 6P for money - you have to buy a third party warranty. You and I must have had different Note5's. I never had any of the issues you mentioned in a year of using it. You are right about updates but that's more the fault of the U.S. carriers than Samsung.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
I never had to deal with Huawei's warranty but I had to deal with Samsung's warranty and quickly learned that with Samsung warranty is only available in the country you buy it ! That might not matter much to most people but it does to people like me who buy overseas. Sucks really hard. But I'll probably take the gamble anyway and buy the 930FD (dual sim) overseas.

Not true. Also the international version has a totally horrible update policy.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
It's no secret. It's been that way since I bought my SGS2 gray market in 2011. They

really

don't want phones sold in one region and imported to another. They won't even repair an international phone in the U.S. if you're willing to pay for it. Some intermediaries (Expansys, Clove, Handtec) will have grey market devices they've sold repaired under warranty on your behalf. For the latter two the warranty is two years. But I agree Samsung's policy is a little Orwellian.

As for service I've been lucky. I dropped my Note5 the same day I got it and shattered the back glass. Samsung's repair center fixed it for $75 and covered the roundtrip shipping and I got it back in a week.

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I haven't followed it that closely but I was under the impression they got better - at least in major markets like the UK and EU. I know they're awful in smaller markets and can also be flaky with keeping Asian markets in sync. I was thinking of getting a grey market Note7 to be free of AT&T's "customizations" and specifically to get updates directly from Samsung. If I were too I would have bought the UK version specifically for the warranty coverage. I stuck with AT&T because being on Next buying a phone outright made no economical sense.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] senectus:
yup, Nexus 6P after my note 4 spontaneously bricked (about 5 months ago).

I love it, but It's a lot heavier and i *really* miss one hand mode and the stylus...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] SCDroid:
Preordered the Note7. Currently have the 6P. I had the Note 4 as my personal device before the 6p. For work I have the G5 and had the Note 5 before. I work in the industry and have played around with the Note7 this week. it's a beast.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Nitemare3219:
The hardware on the Note7 is mind blowing (although they REALLY could have bumped up the CPU, RAM, maybe the battery, the DAC, and FF camera). The software on the 6P wins every single time though. Yes, Samsung has a lot more built-in features. But stock Android has a special feel to it that Samsung just can't touch. I could overlook that though, if the Note7 was smoother with its faster hardware - but based on my experience with the S7 Edge, it won't be. The S7E I have, even though de-bloated, lags a lot more often than my 6P does, and that is infuriating and sad. Also, Samsung needs to pull their heads out of their ass and make a way to unlock the phone without having to press or swipe anything. I HATE pressing down the home button to scan my fingerprint. It just sucks compared to placing your finger there. Also, the iris scanner forcing you to swipe the lock screen away (so now we require button press, a swipe, and locking onto your eyes) is a step in the wrong ****ing direction.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] One4mNoWhere:
I have Note 5 and 6p, in my experience the Note 5 load apps faster and smoother than the 6p, and i have tried both Developer previews and the stock versions. I stopped rooting since the Note 4. I got 6p because of the looks and the front speakers and the first to get fresh android OS, also as i would be traveling soon i will be using the 6p outside the country. Am on the verge of pre-ordering, i like having to be the first to get these phones, but with Samsung it has thought me many lessons to wait for better free bundled gifts, so am hoping i won't miss out this time if i wait November or December.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah I'm quite afraid that the 6P will be a lot smoother than the Note7 indeed, which would make me regret buying it ... But then again, that gorgeous display is so nice ... Really on the fence here :)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
App loading time will surely be faster on the Note7. But we're talking about smoothness of the interface, scrolling pages up and down, opening message windows, everything the interface is involved with moving graphics around on the screen. App loading will surely be quicker though on the Note 7 because of faster CPU and faster storage.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
With the 2016 Nexi out next month, the real question is them vs. the Note7 performance wise. TouchWiz with all Samsung's features vs. pure Android are very different experiences. The latter is what Nexus-philes are drawn to. Two months from now you'll see tons of "I had the Note7 but couldn't stand Samsung's modifications" posts from people who went back to Nexi. Choose carefully gentlepeople, we've all seen this play before. ;)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe. Well personally I think I'm going to skip the 2016 Nexi. I really don't like the design which kinda is a dealbreaker for me, while the design of the Note 7 is just gorgeous. If I'm somehow disappointed with the Note 7, I'll use it a few months and then go for the S8, which is supposed to come with a 4k display which I'm really looking forward to (because of VR).
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] hello00:
i would go for the s8 if they come up with a different design..other than that it is the same phone over and over with different crap in it
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] rosco77:
I've pretty much ruled out the new Nexus. Smaller screen and no front facing speakers.

I'm also a long time Samsung user that switched from the Note 5 to the 6P. I love having the newest software but I really miss the premium feel of the Note 5. I don't use a case on phones and the feel of the glass back of the Note 5, I loved it. I actually use a case full time in my 6P because the phone doesn't feel great to me. I want bare naked gorilla glass 5 in my hand.

I'm coming back to Samsung. The 6P also showed my that rooting is not necessary so I'm not so worried about that any more.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
The big and little '16 Nexi are supposed to share specs. This was reported today. So much for S-821/3 and 6GB of RAM. To be fair, it could be S-821 because when S-801 first came out it initially reported as S-800 on benchmarking sites.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] borisb:
Whats wrong with a third party warranty when its Google or Newegg?

You think that the note 7 will have a free warranty, you still have to pay for it? I had 3 un rooted Notes (note 5), each of them bricked and even though I had full warranty paid (AT&T), each time I waited for a refurbished phone for a week and they still tried to charge me (later to be waived after I yelled at managers in the store).

So it seems that the same way I will need 2 Axons, I needed two Notes.

Don't get me wrong, I am envious of everything that this phone has to offer (on paper). But just like looking at a cake and wanting it while understanding it is bad for me, I realized long time ago that Samsung is good on paper but totally dismisses anything that a power user might want.

The value of the phone does not add up to $860 (more or less plus tax). Taking under consideration that:

1. No root for at least 6 months.

2. Forcing us to use the edge curve.

3. No front facing speakers.

4. Semi fast charge (cause of Exynos models and wanting to be unified with the snapdragon model) - N6P is faster.

5. Only 4 GB of Ram (it might be enough but for $860?)

So what are we even talking about? Each Samsung (and I mean EACH MODEL EVER) had memory management issues and I still cannot get over Touch Wiz.

So would I get it? Yea, in 8 months when its down to $500 on a 1+1 deal on AT&T or Verizon like you have now with the S7 Edge.

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The only reason I wanted to root the note 5 was the notification I got each time I pressed on the Bluetooth icon (and that stupid touch wiz pop up). I bought the N6P before a root was available , otherwise I would have stayed.

:(

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One last thing.

The international version will not get the latest usb type c.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
Long ago when I was an XDA virgin I thought everyone here wanted the same things I did. I learned they don't. The Chinese are growing fast while former Samsung competitors like LG, Sony, HTC, and Lenovo/Moto are withering. Samsung is the last successful "premium" Android device manufacturer. The Chinese have become masters of delivering value-oriented products that are "premium enough" for quite a few folks; hence their growth. LG, Sony, HTC, and Lenovo/Moto are still trying to sell premium products but they don't have Samsung's scale, R&D, and ability to produce their own components (EG: display, memory, modems, camera modules, etc.) which drive costs down. If any of the Chinese were to build a device

exactly

part-for-part like a Samsung phone their material costs would be 20% higher due to the aforementioned. So for them to sell "premium enough" phones at the prices they do something's missing. Whether that's important or not is up to each purchaser to decide for themselves. I'm paying the price of two Axon's for my Note7 and I'm happy to do it. You obviously feel differently. Neither of us is right or wrong and neither of us is going to change the other's opinion. ;)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] razor237:
I have a 6P, I love the phone and messed around with rooting and roms but these days i find stock unrooted is fine. I upgraded from a note 4 cause i didn't like TW at all. I will be giving the Note 7 a try they seemed to have toned down TW a lot and it seems better but only time using it will tell. I really don't do anything that requires root or custom rom except for when i just want to tinker lol :D . My main reason for upgrading is my 6P Bluetooth sucks for streaming music to my car & my wife's car, skips and cuts out but phone calls are clear and not one issue and signal in my office suck but co workers who have S7's get much better signal and no issues using data or making calls so im hoping the note 7 will have the same radio setup the S7 has.

I will be keeping my 6P just incase :)
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] mgymnop:
Will be my first non-Nexus device after 4 years. I got bored of pure Android and see cool things others can do with their phones and the camera is unbeatable on the Note 7. I will try it but keep my 6P to tinker with.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] krabman:
I'm not going to go into my likes and dislikes but rather summarize by saying I want some of the Samsung goodness when I'm on a Nexus device and I want stock android when I'm on a Samsung device. I'm on the 6P now and will move to the Note 7 (FD) when its confirmed that it can be rooted. Yes, I know it's bootloader unlocked but I've been burned before and lack of root is an absolute deal-breaker for me. While I expect root to be available if it isn't I"ll be getting the new Nexus.

On my previous note devices I found myself forgetting about the pen after a week or two and I use little of their software, I'm primarily moving so I can ditch the work phone. Whether I stay till the next thing comes along depends on how smooth the Note is, don't care about the premium crap or looks. They all look the same in a case and as I'm old its a tool to me, not a status symbol.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] PearsonDKA:
I went from a Note 5 (Rooted, debloated etc etc all the goodies) to my 6P and rooted it tossed on PureNexus and still found that the N5 was faster. But I loved getting away from Touchwiz finally after 2-3 years. But I feel like, I just want that little taste of Touchwiz again, just like..a little taste though.

Honestly, I'd wait for the Nexus Marlin to OFFICIALLY be announced. Not any of those renders or leaks. I had a preorder/reservation for the N7 and actually cancelled it after realizing that I rather wait.

I'm seriously hoping that HTC will surprise us and have the Marlin running an 821.

Haha I feel like we're switching spots. I felt that Touchwiz was getting waaay to boring after 2-3 years for me which led to me to getting my 6P.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Gilley:
I love my 6P but I pre-ordered the N7 for the main reason of the WiFi Calling that Verizon wont give me for my 6P because its not supported by them. I had the note 4 and mine was really slow/laggy (had friends who had no problems and we would test them out next to each other and it was just mine) and havent been back to a Samsung since so kinda curious to see how it will be. Played with one in the store and I just cant get over the difference in the screen difference between the 2 so that is what sold me I think. Got the 15 days to try it out and see if I like it for everyday use instead of the 10 mins i've played with it in store.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] borisb:
I really don't see it as a "winner seeking discussion", however there are somethings that you are missing.

You are right, most of the Chinese manufacturers are using other "quality" components from "quality companies": Sony for cameras, Samsung for screens are just two examples. Thinking that manufacturing your own parts makes you more premium is wrong (look at Apple).

Samsung makes money out of manufacturing the components (just like other manufactures) and makes a premium out of every screen they sell. The charge for the R&D and their ability to produce. In addition they will make that screen compliant with any specifications since this is a business transactions and they are bound by the anti monopoly laws of the US and south Korea.

So in fact the ones that are spending more money on components are the "smaller" manufacturers.

The Chinese have become masters since they were making all of these phones forever and the decision to go "Premium" was purely a matter of making that decision.

So where is the difference in cost? ---->>>> ADVERTISING!

ZTE does not spend nearly as much as Samsung on all of their shenanigans online, TV, printed media and live events. I never saw a ZTE booth in my local suburban mall and I never saw a Huawei Superball commercial.

Galaxy 7 parts cost $250 to make.

The note 7 has the same camera, processor and a smaller battery. Adding the stylus, bigger screen and the iris scanner I would expect it to above 250 but lower then 300 bucks.

Your paying the price of the Note 7 cause they successfully sold you the idea that you are buying a premium phone. That's the only difference.

OnePlus actually picked up on that Idea. They approached OPPO and told them they are going to make a phone that is not going to be advertised, thus making it cheap and extremely popular. Notice that with each model they are raising the price by $50 but the cost of manufacturing stayed the same.

You *are* going to be happy with it, partially cause you get to tell society that you got that "thingy" behind the glass window.

But to be honest buying the Note 7 vs something else is equivalent of buying an expansive watch; it does the same thing but we want the "bling".
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] krabman:
If you mean the same thing as in all watches tells you the time and perhaps some other small tibits of information, yes. If you mean is the same thing but with more advertising, no. Fine watches are built for the sake of the art, the engineering, the craftsmanship. Visit Lange (for example) and you will see things like tiny parts that will never be seen by anyone but the watchmakers themselves being polished with great pride and no small skill. People buy them for that reason, that concept, they are into the fine craftsmanship. They know Walmart carries a watch which will keep better time, be more durable, doesn't cost 1k for service, etc. But those watches are in no way related to or comparable to a Lange. And yeah, nowadays some people buy them because they have some extra money and want to show it, aka bling. Sometimes they can afford the best and buy it on principle. However it may be with that high end watches are very different things than their low priced counterparts.

I do get your point and agree with it BTW but it was a bad example, these phones are a different thing with premium becoming more skin deep by the day.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
Here's how this typically goes. You say something defending your point. I say something defending mine. Lather, rinse, repeat until one of us gets tired or the thread gets closed because someone says something inappropriate. Are you happy with your Axon? Excellent. I'm sure I'll be as happy with my Note7 as I have with my other Samsung devices past and present. Let's leave it at that.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] borisb:
If you say.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Lepa79:
I'm torn here. Love pure android but oh my oh my this Note 7 hardware is unbelievable. I played with one at Verizon today and lord forgive me as I have signed LOL

for real though. I don't know what to do. Last time i had Samsung was note 4. Then had nexus 6, 6p, and 5x. I have been on project fi and it's dirt cheap as I'm always on wifi. That makes it that much harder to go back to Verizon.

On word. S-H-I-T I don't know what to do but I know I WANT one LOL
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] krabman:
You'll have to forgive the stupid question... can you not use an international with Fi? I'm away from wifi a lot so their plans don't work for me and I stopped asking questions right there. I know I would do just about anything to stay off Verizon though, really hate their arrogance.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] Lepa79:
Fi only work with Nexus 6, 6p, and 5x as far as i know.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
This video, posted in another thread here makes me doubt buying a Samsung again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2xSS45Ld1o

Man they should fire their software engineers, they really dont have a clue.

Man I can already see how this will go: Buy the Note 7, quickly find out its interface lags (way) more than the 6p and that it has horrible horrible RAM management (like demonstrated in the video above). Then start looking for custom ROMs to fix those problems, cause Samsung doesnt release any fixes at all and then frustration comes because of bugs in custom ROMs etc etc etc. In short, typical Samsung frustration. Sigh.

Man, after his video I made up my mind and will wait for the Nexus Marlin release.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] PsiPhiDan:
I don't see anyone caring that much unless you literally compare head to head. It's fast, just not as fast.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
That's kind of a piss poor video. What's it trying to show? And comparing an Android phone to an iPhone doesn't really prove anything. The S6 had a memory management problem and kept 3-4 apps alive in the background. The Note5 allows 5-7. I'd be fine if the Note7 at least matches that number. As the OnePlus 3 RAM issues proved there's a balance between keeping apps alive for convenience and that convenience impacting battery life. I hadn't heard of RAM management problems on the S7-series, are there any? Good or bad we should expect similar performance on the Note7.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
Well first of all it shows that a phone that's to be replaced in a few weeks by the Iphone 7, beats the most expensive in the world with app loading time. Which makes you wonder how it will compare to the Iphone 7 ! The Note has double the RAM, yet it doesn't seem to take any advantage of it, quite the contrary. I understand that it should kill huge apps but killing smaller apps with so much ram doesnt make much sense. It's just horrible Touchwiz optimization, which takes up most free RAM in the first place. Man I'm just frustrated with Samsung in general, which made me move to the 6p in the first place of course. But then, the 6p doesnt have the premium feel that this note 7 has and I do miss that. But I also know that when I buy the note 7, the frustration over things like this will return. I guess I just wish that in 2016 there would be a perfect phone ...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] hello00:
the note 7 is poorly optimized and same goes with the s6 edge plus and s7..the note 7 can have all the ram it wants but tw takes half of the ram and you will see some stuttering problems..i currently have both the note 7 and the s7 but my daily phone is a $400 alcatel 4s and let me tell ya..the phone feels premium and beats the note 7 in smoothness
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
The 6P will get trounced by an iPhone. It's not a fair comparison as each use totally different OSs with different root level approaches to performance. There's no question iPhones perform better than Android in some areas. People looking for iPhone-level performance should buy an iPhone.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
But at least regarding the smoothness of the interface, the 6p is the only android device (which I'm aware of) that's on par with iphone smoothness. I agree though that in raw cpu power the iphone 6s will easily win.

If I didnt hate Itunes so much, i'd probably buy the iphone 7 ...
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] BarryH_GEG:
This has been discussed a lot. Even more so recently with the issues the OnePlus 3 equipped with 6GB of RAM encountered. Memory optimization has to balance keeping apps alive in the background against the battery those apps use while not in focus. Available RAM doesn't help or hurt stuttering. The app in focus always has priority and will get as much memory as it needs. Name an app that needs more than 3.5GB of DDR4 RAM to function properly. I say 3.5GB because S-820 reserves .5ishGB for itself. People who for whatever reason want to keep a dozen apps alive in the background shouldn't buy Samsung phones. I don't know what the open app thresholds are on the Note7 but I'm expecting 5-7 like the Note5.
[Note 7 Questions & Answers] gekkehenkie11:
I'm honestly not even sure why Touchwiz is stuttering so much. Neither are the Samsung employees or they would fix it I guess.

Battery live shouldnt be impacted too much by background apps and if it does, it's due to poorly written apps.