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[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] devsk:
I see abuse heaped upon the OP for doing what he thought was the best for him. Very sad!

ZTE does not plan on unlocking the bootloader. That's so obvious from their history and their comments so far! We have not even seen any official excuses but just future promises by some random person who probably has zero authority over decision making.

Unlocking the bootloader with a device specific lock code is not rocket science. It has been done by many companies for years. Keeping it entirely unlocked like OP3, is the right way to do it if you really want to do it. Only other reason for their non-excuses is that they just don't want to do it. Their long term vision is following the Samsung model and aiming for the enterprise! Most consumers don't care about unlocked bootloader, but most enterprises care about locked bootloader and security. You be the judge which way ZTE thinks works best for them long term!

I hope I get to eat my words...:)
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Adiyel:
By market, I mean the unlocked bootloader/carrier free high-end market. I'm aware that ZTE is #4 in the USA. They mostly make locked down phones for carriers and MVNOs, people like MetroPCS. That's the market they're experienced in.

The issue I have is your negativity is turning people off that might have interest in this phone as well as demand for development due to your misinformed complaining. Here's a quote from someone in the company about this topic withing the last week. Pay special attention to the first and second to last paragraphs:

TL;DR

They didn't want to give a definite time until they're ready to roll it out. Likely with the next major update.

What you have to understand is that they're dealing with an impending update to Android N for daydream compatibility, logging of customer issues/bugs, as well as fulfilling orders for a high demand phone that likely isn't netting them the kinds of profits that Samsung or Apple is pulling. If you'd complain over at the ZTE forums, your voice would be heard and actually be put to good use. Seriously, give the people to time to honor their word. If they fail to do so, then none of us have reason to continue to expect anything different in the future and/or support them.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
I know what you mean, I only had the phone for a few days, but not being able to do what I wanted with it, after I had paid for it, was a deal breaker for me. And if they ever do unlock this phone, I will rush right out and get it.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Adiyel:
Listen, dude, no offense intended for anything. I understand exactly what you're going through. But it's also because I understand what you're going through that I understand what you're doing. I'm sure it's not intentional, but you're spreading false info with that topic title.

Just be patient, dude. The phone literally just came out. How many phones have unlocked bootloaders, root, and custom ROMs this fast?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
Perhaps the question you should be asking is if they are going to unlock it, why did they lock it in the first place? Don't shoot the messenger...

As for having to visit their forum, ZTE (as well as all other major manufacturers) have reps peruse this and other sites on a regular basis. Heck, for all I know you are a ZTE employee since you are so worried about my negative behaviour. Development will only occur if there are several things happening. All code is released (not just some), stock or base roms are available, unlocked bootloader and lastly popularity of device. My Leeco Max 2 has everything going for it except popularity and it has very little development, whereas my Note 4 has tons of software that had been developed for it. The OP3 already has quite a bit of software developed for it. My Blu - Nada. When a company is not forthcoming, development usually will not happen. My comments will not change ZTE's business model one way or the other. We shall soon see who is right, hopefully I will be wrong.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
I am not stating anything they have not stated to me. I know this phone is new but they didn't have to lock the bootloader in the first place if they didn't want it locked. That is the reality of things. If the phone is great and they do unlock the boot, who cares what I say or think?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] devsk:
Many many phones arrive with ability to unlock the bootloader out of the gate. And some of the best ones (HTC 10 and OP3, not to mention Moto phones) this year so far have been in that category.

Its a corporate philosophy dude! Its a corporate cultural thing! Its either there or its not there. It may come but I have seen no indications right now that it will come any time soon. You can come back here and start a "I told you so" thread when it happens...:) Until then, no misinformation is being spread. Its the truth!
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Adiyel:
Jim, they locked the bootloader because that's how all the phones they ever made were--carrier locked budget devices. It's not until they created their ZTE community a couple months ago and the overwhelming desire for an unlocked bootloader for the higher end phones was voiced. They've never said they would unlock a bootloader in the past because there was never a (voiced) need for it. Now there is, and now they have to deliver.

And for your own information, I'm a nurse and a student, and I live in Florida. I don't work for ZTE! Lol, seriously. I just don't like coming to xda where us geeks come to solve issues, hoping to hear news and development for a device I may very well own very soon, but only hear (misinformed) complaining and negativity.

You're welcome to keep your opinions as you would like, but just I'll wait for them to unlock the bootloader and if not, I'll consider my other options.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
All phones are not created with a locked bootloader. My Leeco came with an unlocked bootloader. If you would go back a few years, bootloaders generally were not locked. As manufacturers and carriers in the US tried to develop more control, more and more bootloaders were locked and security features, such as Knox, were developed. Remember, they have to be locked to be unlocked. We shall see what they do.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Adiyel:
Please reread. I said THEIR phones.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] benschhold:
Did someone tried fastboot unlocking it?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
Yes, and it doesn't work. If it did, this topic wouldn't even exist.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Sub-Negro:
Sh*t I was just hoping that they would announce the worldwide release of the 6GB/128GB version.

DId anybody see this?

http://www.xda-developers.com/zte-p...-for-its-next-smartphone-through-project-csx/
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] aaa:
Remember about ZTE to unlock the Axon7 bootloader ...it is about "when" not "if".....never is also the anwer to "when".

Thoise statements in webinar was therefore already planned carefully.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Mountainmohawk:
I really hope this gets unlocked. If it doesn't is there any possibility for rooting still?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] rczrider:
Yup. Even if the A7 ends up being a dud, I'm willing to give them a shot on a new phone that's the result of Project CSX.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] djona12:
I wonder how many times this statement was used... And i bet you don't realize it's not even correct :silly:.

"Never" is a matter of "when", can't argue. But in this case, it's also a matter of "if". Making this whole "never" thing a way of twisting what was said in the webinar.

With that said, it's true that ZTE can still get back on their words since there hasn't been any official statements but that's something else entirely.

Anyway, i sure hope to see movement for the bootloader on their end by mid september or i'll have to go to another device :fingers-crossed:.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] XblackdemonX:
You better not or it will ruin your % of conservation (see your signature)
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] djona12:
Ahah ! Well i doesn't mean i can't keep it... :silly:

Kidding aside, since i don't have it yet (should arrive before mid-september, with amazon), it gives me until october to decide if i return it or not^^. But there isn't any other phone in this price range and with those specs that are appealing to me :/
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] MrMD69:
There is another point - nowadays ZTE passport 2.0 is only available on USA (I'm as you can see from Poland ). I find some topics at ZTE forum that EU version have just 6 months warranty with slightly higher price at Amazon fr/uk/de (also "out of stock" for now). So hmm ZTE made a bargain of a phone but with passport 2.0 only in USA , higher price at EU and 6 months of warranty - plepleaare you ******* kidding me ZTE !? So to sum up - with 6 months of warranty (not with passport 2.0) I'll immediately unlock it and void it as son as i get it (if I will want to get it) but for now 4gb/64gb is wors that op3 deal in EU :/
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] djona12:
6 month is only with the crappy amazon seller in EU. If you buy at Mediamarkt when it's out, you'll get 2 years for sure.

And i believe that a user asked amazon.de support about the warranty they offered on the Axon 7 (the one in preorder that is sold and delivered by amazon.de) and they said it was a 2 yyear warranty (but i don't think it's Passeport 2.0).
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] LordRuyn:
Considering that Poland is in the EU and that the EU has a law in place which states that 2 year warranty is mandatory and your right as a European citizen, I doubt that 6 months warranty is true or even legal, for that matter.

The most likely scenario is that 3rd party Amazon stores, which were the only ones selling the device on the Amazon platform in Europe (confirmed by my PR contact), were selling the Chinese version. In China, from what I've read, warranty law is quite complex and the manufacturer is usually the one to specify the time period for a product.

This is only speculation on my part and I could be wrong.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] aPexalpha:
Was just gonna say that. All EU has 2 year warranty on any device you buy.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] aaa:
My 1+1 fell from 2m yesterday a.k.a I just installed the infamous spider app .....I pressed the order button for 1+3..can not wait that long for Axon 7
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] emtownsend:
Regarding the unlocked bootloader: Likely asked already, but... Can I still have a "rooted" device? Basically, the ability to use root enabled apps without necessarily using a 3rd party ROM? If so, then I'm OK with that level of control for now. Just the ability to have full app control is what I'd like. Unlocked bootloader is a bonus if some kind soul decides to create ROMs for this device.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
With an unlock bl, you can root your device and have total control over your phone. You can actually delete system apps/files, not just disable them. You can run "stock" or 3rd party ROM. Without unlocked bl and complete source code, development for this device becomes virtually impossible. Look at the page for the Honor 5x and compare that with anything by Blu. Blu has little to no development and probably never will because the company does not release it's complete code. OP provided unlocked bl and all code for its OP3 and they already have a considerable amount of roms and custom apps that have been developed. It all depends what you want and are willing to settle for.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] RojasTKD:
I don't know if ZTE will or will not unlock the Axon 7 in the end, but I find taking a correspondence from a lowely rep who probably know very little about specific products as the final work quite foolish.

But with what was said in the webinar and the Z community forums I would lean more on that they will vs rep for the same reason I don't ask Best Buys salesperson for advice, they usually don't know what they are talking about.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] emtownsend:
Yeah, I suppose I will just patiently wait for more info on the ZTE bootloader, and the next Nexus device. It's an odd dilemma to have a computer (smartphone) that you own but cannot control. It's like buying a Dell and being forced to use their programs...
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
Here's the reality, the help desk (customer support) only spews out company policy. Now whether or not they change their policy, no one knows, but based on current and past behaviour, the odds are not good. Almost a year ago, another Chinese manufacturer announced the P9000 and that it would support US networks. They said they had to have R&D work on it before they would release US version. They still have not released a US version of this phone and probably never will. The point is company reps say things all the time, most of which doesn't come true, so we often need to look at past behaviour to predict the future.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] daneoleary:
Have some unfortunate news. I tweeted ZTE yesterday about whether they're going to unlock the Axon 7 bootloader, and today they responded.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] daneoleary:
Doesn't seem very promising.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] markwebb:
Glad I returned mine.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] brickedvice:
They can suck it then.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] MrMD69:
Uff glad I didn't buy it via pre-order.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Recon Freak:
Oh for F***S sake, cut it out. Some low level twit on(twit)ter told you the bootloader was locked forever. It's coming. Just stop already!
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] peramikic:
Actually, I would expect the people who hold the twitter account to be more in the loop then for instance call center reps. In any case, they certainly don't come up with this on their own or pull it out of their arse. Since a single tweet can be quite disastrous, this will be usually in a different team, most likely marketing. They will the reach out to someone on this question unless it is already on their Q&A sheets. In either case they were told this by someone above them. We can argue that that person doesn't have any idea what they are talking about but if it was coming, such a message would have been communicated from the management to the marketing and support team managers and the Q&A sheets would have been updated with something like "it's still in the consideration process, bla, bla". Since this response was received from several channels over several weeks, it means the Q&A sheets have not changed and this intent has not been communicated down the chain. For all we know, R&D is still try to convince the management of the idea, but that's where it is. And i would have been much more optimistic if it was marketing or sales that ran in the field with the idea and was now convincing the R&D to implement it then vice-versa.

Now that could be entirely wrong read from my end but I am certainly more inclined to assume ZTE, like any other business, doesn't hand it's twitter account to a pair of drunk monkeys and the communications team is plugged into things relevant to current product launch via regular staff meetings and such. We shall see in the next week or two
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] Recon Freak:
My entire problem with this thread is no two people got the same answer from the same department, let alone the same person. The best answer so far is 'when' from one of the lead techs working with the device. Note the world could end tomorrow and the Samsung fan boys could be right but I doubt it.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] aknotts415:
Im out too. Whether its true or not ive seen this asked at least 3 times and they said the same thing.2 timss they actually said did u hear it from the z community? There wrong. We dont unlock any of our devices. So the truth seems to be really coming out. Face it even if there were going to unlock it theyd say so even if they werent rdy yet they let everyone know officially somit would boost sales.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] An Droid:
And then there's this...
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] aknotts415:
Sounds to me like there just promoting z community. Gosh am so sick of this. Agro lol
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] bone$:
i'm out as well.. pity
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] devsk:
Exactly my thoughts! They want their cake and eat it too...:)

I think their official twitter account response should quieten the people who were calling OP a "twit"...it is so ironic, it would be sad if it wasn't funny...:D
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] steadly2004:
I too cancelled my order after visiting the grand XDA forums and found no aftermarket ROM's or unlocked bootloader. Oh well, this device could have been epic.

I may still purchase it if it's unlocked before the next Nexus is released
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] kingsley404:
https://community.zteusa.com/message/41614#comment-41614

Check out the post from petershih
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] OmniversalSoundstage:
It's still on it's way. It may be revealed very soon. If I were ZTE, I would just do it. This will put them over the top. The defects that the Axon 7 isn't that serious in comparison to the previous ZTE phones. So if that's what's preventing them from doing this, then it's a terrible excuse.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] reddrago:
In the post he mentioned surprise next week and since its already Friday, they will make it available next week hopefully.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] peramikic:
HAH!!!!

Slap me, cuff me, call me Shirley

From the lead dev

Mission accomplished :D
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] emtownsend:
:good:
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] xvicx:
Canceled my order, will wait a bit for official confirmation that I will be able to use the device for future développement (bootloader unlock). I don't mind if it's after extended warranty. Or else there's the OnePlus that looks to be a Dream Development device!?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] :
Axon 7 official CM ?

Maybe I will wait for Nexus. With looked Bootloader you can not say "it's my phone".
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] biglilsteve:
Why is everyone cancelling pre-orders all willy nilly? We haven't really even given them much more than a week to make things happen! We're expecting an announcement in a few days!

What's the worst thing that could happen? Your pre-order goes through and you receive the phone in a couple weeks, a BL unlock doesn't happen, you aren't satisfied, you return the phone. No big deal.

Jumping the gun is pointless here. Unless that $400 means THAT much to you...in which case you should have prioritized what you spent $400 on in the first place.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] reddrago:
I believe they are going to make the bootloader unlockable thats the surprise announcement for next week. Look at the discussion in the other thread about the imminent bootloader unlock. Hopefully you like this phone.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] biglilsteve:
This is such an insanely long rant over something you don't have the answer to yet. You haven't received your A7 yet, so how do you know that it won't be unlockable out of the box by the time YOU get it?

^This!!! It's exactly what I said in my previous post.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] reddrago:
OP should probably change the title of this thread so more people dont read the title and rage cancel their orders.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] biglilsteve:
Agreed.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] daneoleary:
Actually, it's looking like there's not going to be an unlockable bootloader option for the Axon 7. I tweeted ZTE about it the other day and yesterday I got a tweet back. I feel like if they're planning on turning around and changing their mind next week, why bother with responding to all these people and telling them not to hold their breath?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] biglilsteve:
LOL are you kidding me? You need to keep up. A lot has changed since you got that incorrect information.

http://xdaforums.com/axon-7/help/bootloader-unlock-imminent-t3433720
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] markwebb:
We shall see.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] aknotts415:
Yeah this is old news. You Twitter message made ZTE pretty much break the news early that the bootloader unlock is coming next week. They even said there wrong and also csr have been wrong. They even deleted your tweet response. Petershih didn't come out and say it but pretty much said it's coming.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] daneoleary:
My bad, I thought this was a different thread. I just went back through and read everything that's been said since I posted the screen grab. Interesting, yeah that tweet is totally gone from my history. I still have the email, but the tweet isn't showing up in my notifications.

Hopefully this is good news, but at this point we still don't know for sure. Even though the devs seem optimistic, who's to say they're not the ones who are wrong and the CSRs are the ones in the know? We just can't be sure. Personally, I think if they're really going to announce that the bootloader is to be unlockable, it's stupid to wait to make some big announcement. Just tell us, especially with so much evidence to the contrary circulating out there.

I'm not really worried about the return period. I'll hang onto the phone for a bit and see what happens. Can always sell it on ebay or something. But as it is, the software is borderline unusable, so if the bootloader is really never going to be unlocked, I won't be keeping the phone.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] biglilsteve:
I agree buddy. I think unusable is a strong word lol but I definitely will swap it out the first opportunity I get.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] rowihel2012:
i have zte z11 max

i flashed twrp without unlocking bootloader
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] chris23445:
I'm not trying to come off rude, but come on, it's silly to say that the customer service reps know more than the devs that actually make the software work. Customer service reps in multiple companies are notorious for not knowing anything and for spreading false information.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
I agree that there probably isn't a CSR that knows more than a dev, but the dev doesn't determine company policy and while CSR's don't create company policy either they do repeat what the company policy is to the end users. Whether the policy changes or not, no one knows for sure
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
Here is some information that may help as to what will happen with their policy regarding unlocking bl's. Their first hint at unlocking the bootloader, was a tweet on June 2. This was two months ago. If it will happen and I hope it does, how long does it take?
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] daneoleary:
Yes, this is what I was getting at with what I said, though I said it a bit less clearly. Obviously, customary service reps aren't likely to know what projects the developers are working on. But conversely, just because a developer works on a project doesn't mean the company is going to release it.

I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens. Hopefully there really is an announcement this coming week, otherwise there are going to be a lot of people who would've bought the Axon 7 waiting to see what Google released this year for the Nexus line. Unless they're like me and buying both.
[ZTE Axon 7 Questions & Answers] jim262:
I sent my phone back, even though there were so many things I like about it, but that unlocked bl was a deal breaker for me. If they do unlock it, I will buy it again, although I hope the new Nexus has expandable storage.