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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Smartphonemag.com Tilt review - remark

I was reading a review on p12 of the Feb-March edition from "Smartphone & Pocket PC" where the Tilt was under a closer loop.

2 remarks I found ;

Literally stated: "...MSM7200 processor (clocked at 400 MHz ) from Qualcomm...has all the necessary circuitry build in. In fact, the processor also can provide VGA video out and irDA - features that HTC chose to leave out of the Tytn II versions"

The full review gave a 8.3/ 10, thoug "speed" only received a 0.5 0n 1 point, which is the lowest score. So far for "great performance".

After all this debate, IF it can be proven that HTC let his customers believe that the MSM 7200 would carry all functionalities, we do have a case to stand on. I guess I am not the only one here who would offer his other cheek to HTC no?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad: GD HTC, you did falsely advertise. Lets use the bounty money for a case against HTC!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dperren:
Nobody was expecting VGA out; because the Kaiser was specifically advertised as having a 320x240 screen. It also wasn't advertised as having an infa-red connection.

Ahah, you say, it wasn't advertised as having video drivers either! This isn't a hardware feature requiring physical modifications to the existing design of the Kaiser we're talking about though, it's somthing integral to the device which any purchaser would reasonably assume (espcially given HTC's marketing) was within the device, such is their cruciality to even general day-to-day use.

This whole issue is about expectations raised due to HTC's marketing and lack of transparency within both that, and their product specifications.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] keestar:
7676 Signatures Total

I was number 7676 in the petition. Doesn't sound like its going to make any difference though
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] macsbac:
There are a lot of annoyed people out there. The petition is a waste of time as is the lawsuit. In what jurisdiction would you even sue them in? Even if HTC where to decide they would produce drivers they would not be ready until the end of the year at best. My kaiser is due for renewal then so thats too late.

The consumer drives markets and its time we all decided that we will not tolerate being treated this way. We should start another petition where people can make a commitment to HTC not to purchase another HTC device for the next 3 years. If we get 5000 signatures we will send them to news websites etc get the word about. Affected HTCs profit margins and share price is the only way to make them stand up and take us seriously.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Oh yeah? And what would I buy? If you haven't noticed, US wireless market is about 5 years behind. Kaiser is the best PDA available and that is supported by a major provider with _tolerable_ GPRS options.

So I ignore HTC and then what? Get a sorry-excuse-for-PPC iPhone? Or start paying 500-600 for iPaqs and others so that I can pissed at them for some stupid mistake that THEY made. Or their PPCs are perfect?

</vent>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avernix:
DarkDvr,

That is really up to you, but in my opinion, there are alternatives to HTC. E-ten Glofiish is very good. So is the new phone Asus is coming out with.

The biggest advantage for HTC phones is Xda-developers. They provide unsurpassed level of community support. I think that in response to the blatant disregard of the user community by HTC, XDA-devs should open up forums for other popular models as well (E-Ten, Glofiish, Pharos).

Again, I advocate a campaign of leaving reviews that reflect affected models' performance with appropriate ratings on various merchant sites. This is the most effective measure, aside from voting with your wallet.

Here are some links:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-P4550-II-...sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1201572895&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/AT-T-Tilt-Sma...sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1201572895&sr=8-4

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Mogul-PPC..._11?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1201572895&sr=8-11
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
This info suggest anything:

http://www.pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62404&Itemid=9
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] macsbac:
This is exactly what HTC are hoping for, this type of mindset. As for the iPhone at least when I touch the screen it responds as I would expect. The Kaiser is embarrassing. There are many alternatives and with the invention of the internet nobody is restricted to buying in the US. You can stick with HTC who have already given us all the big finger and overpay for an underperforming sencond rate device thats your choice. If the US market is 5 years behind then the Kaiser will fit right in.

Good idea but not before I sell mine on ebay.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ben017:
I've signed. I hope it would be come ture.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Radeon123:
7918 signatures now :D

Title of this thread needs updating :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
Agreed, it looks like there is no activity on the petition when the number of signers has almost doubled.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Ditto... Kaiser is SLOW... I compared it to iPhone side by side and safari opened in < 1 second... and IE took around 2 seconds and if you use the advanced picsel browser, it takes around 5 seconds... Further, orienting the screen takes FOREVER on my tilt and looks crappy too... iPhone, you dont have to do anything, it automatically orients it within a blink of an eye. This will be my last HTC phone if no improvements are made and that is probably how a lot of people feel...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ~~Tito~~:
The iPhone has an accelloromiter on it. I had it but I came to the tilt and if this thing is'nt fixed then I might have to go back to it. . . .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Hi again !

Sorry for not updating the number of signatures. I kinda gave up on my Kaiser, it's too frustrating. I got an Asus EEE and i'm concentrating on it now -> IT HAS DRIVERS !!!!

I'll try to update the number every day, now that it's popular again

@iservealot: I never claimed the petition or the petition text is mine: i only linked it in a thread. Whoever wrote the petition, please contact iservealot by PM, since you apparently used his text in it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eyeless:
I just found this out...

I work for the California State Assembly, and recently a number of people have contacted my office not only about this phone but several other phones and AT&T about them not functioning as promised, AT&T's customer service etc... and ours isn't the only office. Many members have begun the process of introducing legislation to help protect consumers as well as the Attorney General is considering an investigation and I swore HTC was one of the companies on the list. I'll find more...but it could be for something entirely different too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Best news I've heard all week. We need more info though. Think you can find out more?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eyeless:
I have been trying (also doing research for a bill) and so far the AG's office said they have had numerous complaints about all the cell phone companies in CA. and that there are specific phones people are angry about b/c they dont get the same customer service or something. I think its the fact that some phones they dont let you get insurance for them or something. It started i guess with the iphone and has grown from there. Ill keep an eye on it. I know the legislature here has a whole cell phone package. a bill to require them to sell unlocked phones, limiting what they can charge for cancellation fees, another bringing them under more of a regulated body since they are more then just cell phone companies here in CA, etc... I know last year there was an unlocked phone bill that the cell providers and manufacturers went to town on and i think it ended up doing nothing.

But yes i will try
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] daniel_rh:
Sorry Guys but I received this email from HTC today... :(

***My question was:***

Greetings, I'm planning to buy a HTC Kaiser but I saw in some websites that this phone has a problem with general video performance affecting the experience of the whole system. This is true? If it is, There will be a fix for this?

***The answer was:***

Hello Daniel R. H.,

Thank you for your inquiry about the HTC Kaiser.

I am glad to see that you are interested in purchasing a HTC device. HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Image on video acceleration hardware.

HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.

HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans.

HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support.

-----------------------------
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eyeless:
So the AG is investigating AT&T b/c people are complaining they are being ripped off b/c of warranties (some phone have them some don't) and the fact that AT&T wont give the handset insurance on some phones.

Not the same issue. Sorry Everyone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] oomkool:
Found this on the net this morning, maybe things are eventually starting to go a bit wrong for our friends at HTC....

HTC dethroned as King of Smartphone market....

Thursday, 7:35 PM EST

According to a report on Digitimes dated 1/29/2008 the "FORMER" #1 Smartphone manufacturer in the world has lost massive amounts of market share, slipping to the #3 position. HTC formerly had a 50% market share of smart devices which has fallen to below 30% currently, trailing behind Motorola and Samsung. This according to industry analysts may only be the start of HTC's fast & furious decline. Particularly since HTC's recent products have been sharply criticized & coupled with the companies unwillingness to make good on their claims. The Digitimes report does not take into consideration touch screen devices, however, with LG Electronics, Hewlett-Packard (HP), Palm, Asustek, E-Ten and Gigabyte all developing new touch screen technologies & devices it looks like HTC is soon to be the King of Nothing. Unless HTC can recover from recent disappointments & set itself apart from these up & coming manufacturers by listening & appropriately responding to the life blood of there company (Us enthusiasts), this may well be the beginning of the end for the dethroned king of yesteryear HTC. Newcomers to the Smartphone realm may soon find themselves say "HTC who?".

For the Digitimes article see: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080129PD208.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Sad but mostly true. I will be willing to put HTC down to earth if it thinks its going to get away with not providing drivers.

Btw, I know a lot of other devices not from HTC such as LG KS20 use Qualcomm 7200. Do those have the drivers?... If so, would there be a way to port it over without an HTC SDK?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Broken:
Problem probably lies with Qualcomm. In a bit of a bind with infringing on Brodacom. Now they are backtracking by "having" no ATI Imageon hardware, duh, because they were probably infringing there too...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] diigibio:
I have just contacted BBC Consumer Watchdog in the Uk in hope that they will read the information on www.htcclassaction.org and pick up the story to go more public and apply more pressure to get us the necessary drivers we require for our devices. I'll post again if they get back to me!!

Here's hoping they can spread the word further!!

diigibio (diigimatrix)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mattlewis77:
Nice work, just signed and hoping for a resolution, thanks XDA...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
So does this get any more activities?... we need to keep up or HTC might take this for granted :'(... I really want the video driver...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] andaroo:
this is only your opinion however!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Prince Keldar:
Signed.

9159 Total Signatures now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dopod818_e:
Signed.

Wow 9199 Total Signatures till now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] j_kavanagh:
Below is a response I have just recieved regarding the issues related to the TytnII (Kaiser)

"Sorry for the delay in response, I have been consulting with HTC management in relation to any update on the issue at hand.

The issue is related to hardware limitation of the device. The limitation is caused by the Qualcomm chipset used on the device. At the moment HTC do not have a solution for this problem. We do not have a driver update to give out to the customer. We cannot say if there will be a driver update made available for this problem as HTC is still addressing this problem.

Please keep an eye out of the HTC website for further news and updates.

Thanks.

Kind regards,"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ouioui01:
signed, even if i have an HTC Cruise (Polaris)....cause same bug :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigbluebronco:
Why doesn't everyone just send Peter Chou (the HTC CEO) an email? I've personally received two back from him. Maybe if we let him know we're gonna fill up his inbox too and take his personal (READ: EXPENSIVE) time away from him, then maybe he can pressure his company. It's easy -

peter_chou@htc.com

Have at it guys and gals

Tony
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I fired one off to him too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] w00b:
hooray, number 9405.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
The typos still need to be corrected before HTC ever sees it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
oscarwinky@yahoo.com, please validate this petition
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
I think i'll just e-mail HTC now, since the petition can be removed anytime
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] quackerjack:
Signed it. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Here is what i sent to HTC support:

Hello !

Regarding the HTC TyTN II (AKA HTC Kaiser, HTC P4550, AT&T Tilt, etc.)

For the developing team:

I want to draw your attention towards an online petition requesting better support for

the hardware accelerated features of the Qualcomm chipset (accelerated video playback,

video recording, DirectX).

Here is the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/tytn2vid/

Also see this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1642248

this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=339745

and this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=339173

Thanks for your time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
Think the reason for not including them is licensing related? Maybe it would then cost more $$$?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Pops_G:
I would doubt it. They clearly paid for the hardware, it wouldn't be very good business practice for Qualcomm to charge separate for drivers that allows their hardware to be utilized completely.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
I think this in entirely HTC's fault: They rushed the release (understandable) but it really pisses me off that they had a lot of time to release a new ROM with proper hardware support and they didn't :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
i just hope a driver update will be avaible. i sure would like to play gba without it lagging, and playing quake 3 and Playstation at a better framerate!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
You really should have asked me before you plagiarized my work for this petition. The entire petition's text is word for word what I wrote in an email, and posted for reference on these forums.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greeek:
I'm not normally one for posting negatives, but I think this entire thread is ridiculous....

Lets go petition Holden cos my car should get better fuel consumption..???

I appreciate all the time and effort spent by the developers on this site, and most people are a great help - and my device is certainly better for it... but HTC make, and sell phones. If you don't like it - don't buy it!

HTC don't OWE you anything!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
The author of the petition has not filled in the right details so the people at petition onine are going to delete it.

oh well
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Pops_G:
I don't think you understand the whole spirit of the issue. At issue here is the fact that the product we purchased is not in a state that allows us to utilize it to its maximum capacity. The reason we are unable to do so is because HTC has failed to do something every single other hardware producer is expected to do. It is standard procedure and established that drivers will be provided with hardware to be able to use it properly. This isn't something that some companies do out of the kindness of their heart.

Also a lot of us didn't discover the underlying issue until it was too late to return the phone. We made an assumption that HTC would give us the same quality of service that should be expected of every hardware OEM.

HTC does OWE us something, they took our money, and they have to deliver something worth while in return.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greeek:
Damn, you want some cheese with that whine???

Out of the box - the phone does everything HTC have said it would. Developers and enthusiasts like those found here, are able to come up with new, and better things for the phone, be it patches/fixes, or entire new apps.

This has nothing to do with HTC taking anything from you.

Someone mentions something, about which you have no idea - and you get on your high horse and start preaching your rubbish.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and I'll now go check what the productive people in XDA developers are doing....

Enjoy this thread - it's amusing if nothing else! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Pops_G:
greeek, do you know what hardware drivers do/are? Its not whining to ask for them, there is simply no where else to go. HTC maybe the only place to get them period.

For me personally its not just jumping on a bandwagon and being a rebel without a cause. I have experienced slower video play back on this device then a nearly 4 year old PDA I have.

Honestly, why would it trouble you that 1, 500, or 10,000 people would sign a petition asking for hardware drivers from HTC?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
I didn't start the petition, i just supported it.

See here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1641971 post 43 and a little above
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Good news, Menneisyys might support us:

see point 3 of http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1655732&postcount=50
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
That user was suggesting that I started a petition using my written works. Not for someone else to steal it and plagiarize it.

Good thing this is all for the same cause.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] little_rock:
Yay! I made em hit the 550!

kickass
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
A little bump :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Liquidfire:
signed 9410 :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RocketChimp:
thanks, bronco. will do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mxantho:
signed.... 9441 (!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nt0:
signed......... 9442
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] valic:
signed.....9443
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freworld:
Join D Brigade

Already signed....Close to some 9234 ...:p

May those HTC'ians hear that or

Some Geek Cooks those drivers too :(....

That bounty isnt that small anyways...sm1 shd go fot dat..atleast good tries:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
So I sent the email to the Cho guy and got this back. Looks like good news.

"Dear, we apologize for the issue we are working on a driver to release it end of Mar

Regards

Peter

"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
awesome! i hope thats true!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] HeatWave:
Just read the news on Holland's biggest techsite, tweakers.net.

They have indeed promised to release a driver in March. It seems we might be victorious after all!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PengLord:
Link:

http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/51901/htc-directeur-belooft-drivers-voor-geplaagde-toestellen.html

Translation (loose, partly Babelfish, partly me.):
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
niice... if thats true... then the drivers wont take till end of march to release like I read somewhere... :)... HTC has a lotta money and by buying the drivers, they wud just be investing in the mobile market... this device seems to get slow everyday...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Check this out... some update...

"Increased performance and stability..."?

no drivers??.... still?

http://mobilitysite.com/2008/02/htc-releases-rom-update-version-1625020/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bob T:
I just added my sig. Total is now 9705 Signatures Is HTC getting this still?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jetdriver330:
I too emailed Mr Chou and received a similar reply that the issue was being addressed and that drivers would be available at the end of March.

If the peter_chou@htc.com email address is legitimate then I can only applaud their good sense in rectifying this issue. We'll no doubt find out towards the end of March...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MortalX:
I've also signed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
So according to htcclassaction.org, the US point man has abandoned us... I think he got bought up by HTC... and if this is the case, then we should not expect drivers... Maybe perter chou's response is just a scam or maybe HTC is just developing performance improvements instead of actual drivers...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] myjess:
Petition Duly Signed.

Petition Duly Signed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Squeaky369:
Signed. Dated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
*** Signed ***
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Torino10:
Signed, hope it gets released or addressed within 30 days
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zadude:
11104'th signature..hope smone from htc will get to see this and do smthing because in the way they behave with this problem they look like a lollipop factory not a worl-leading mobile solutions producer..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] frankbel:
***** Signed *****
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tmac750:
:cool:

Good to go signed!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bahrainiac:
11207.....Duly Signed!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johnllombart:
Signed 11311

Signed 11311
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Candanga:
Signed 11318

Signed 11318
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] beta247:
11337 signed
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peto01:
11343 Signatures Total
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Athan_GT:
11408 signed
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rsfaze:
11427! 10 characters
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tgerbracht:
11,432 Signed here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Snowreaper:
Signed. Almost to 12k sig's, WOW!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] AGY:
Signed :) I hope it helps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I signed too ..... will this problem affect the upcoming Tytn 3 ??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] janys:
Signed, too

--Jan Olejnik--