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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbacks1000:
Signed, hopefully this actually has some type of affect...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hahaha111:
11579. Yup.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
almost mid March, and no word from HTC... i think they are just fooling us.. and they'll probabl just end up with a 0.01% increase in performance in JUST video and say that this is all they can do... we need to raise this issue up higher... especially since even htcclassaction if getting much responses nowadays...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Geo_Ros:
11588:cool:

Let's hope that it won't take long any more...

Otherwise some nice drivers developed by someone here at xda dev...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TheNecroscope:
signed as well
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yrebanga:
voted too :D #11675
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Optimistisch_nl:
11681 yes 11681
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
another vote
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] beaverfood:
and another
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rikus1138:
I got my vote in!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Suleeto:
#11956... I'm on board now, too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikehoot2020:
#11964 - You know what they say, 12,000 users can't be wrong! Let's hope HTC are actually taking notice as we are their current customers, nopt to mention possible future ones.

Or maybe not!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] blackhailfire:
Signed....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] @dom@:
Petition

signed hopefully

HTC ...please!!! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sekobati:
just signed :D

i sure hope they react fast!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thedaniel:
Now there are 12051 of us!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mrg2003:
How many HTC's v how many sigs

How many HTC's are there in circulation? I haven't noticed any particular problem or defiency of my TyTnII compared to other PDA phones. Is there a video comparison I can view / download ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] @dom@:
...e.g. Did you never try to watch on your kaiser a divx video in normal/high bitrates (like in pc) without convert it??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbernstein:
For me, last version of CorePlayer does it well. Which does not solve other lagging issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Japan is next

We need to make this petition and XDA thread known to potential japanese victims.

HTC now launches the TytnII in japan (same HW it seems) and we can be sure that lots of those high demanding consumers will scratch there head soon....

Soon is end of March. HTC will not release any "fix" it seems :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
If there won't be a Fix before the end of the month i'm going to be so pissed
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] @dom@:
:) I know this, I'm using it too!

...but it doesn't solve the real problem!!

Did you never try to play some hard games (..now don't ask me what, look in the forum for this and other elucidations about this fu***ng driver issue!)???!!! this an other driver issue example!!:mad: ...what software, like coreplayer, do you use, to bypass the problem?????!!! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbernstein:
That's what I said "which does not solve other lagging issues". We basically agree... :)

But the fact is you can play non-converted Divx files with very OK quality. Other issues are still there, for sure.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
+1

Petition signed....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
LG KS 20 users in same boat as us

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2008/03/13/htc-driver-issue-is-lg-s-too/

Read and weep....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] captbunzo:
Signed... Why not :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KyleK29:
Just for the fun of it. A little math.

12223 Signatures x $50/unit (we'll say that is their profit) = $611,150

That is how much it could potentionally cost HTC in lost revenue from future sales. If we all hold true (and I'm sure most unhappy users will) and not buy an HTC product again, we can hurt their pocket book. It's nearly the end of March and still no patch release. Next we'll here about it being postponed. They'll drag it out as long as possible, my guess.

Leader no more.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dperren:
Half a million dollars is absolutely nothing for a company the size of HTC... Unfortunately.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jmhalder:
although .6 million is a drop-in-the-bucket... thats assuming that ONLY 12,000 people care and that they ONLY make $50 a unit, frankly i normally wouldn't waste my time with some online petition, but just HAPPENED to come across it and said to myself "what the hell" and signed it... we all know online petitions dont do anything, but hey, theres alot of people upset at the performance of the kaiser, including me!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
12000 is just the people that know about the issue... This number is gonna get higher because Tilt has been released in Japan and India now too :)...

And if your saying Half a Million is nothing... than im sure they can buy a driver for that much atleast... Oh and they are making way over $50 on their phones trust me man... Especially if you buy the $700 uncloked ones... they make like 400 on it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kevsturr:
12360th signature ! come on guys we need more !:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
I haven't checked but is this posted on other forums?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
HTC is 99% not coming out with ANYTHING, even a patch, by day after tomorrow... if it wud, then we wud atleast hear some news on its progress... basically... we fail...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CobaltTugger:
Voted. 12393 Here.

i just got my Tilt yesterday. I figured it would be slower than a dedicated RIM Blackberry but that it would make up for it with the other features in WM6. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can deal with a device that has video this laggy. And I was really disappointed that I couldn't hardly watch video in full screen mode without it appearing to be running in slow motion.

I wish there was another good option out there that had Blackberry Connect and all the features (that actually performed as advertised!). I can't get my data plan reimbursed unless I'm on the BES.

I'll give it a week, but it's looking more like I'm gonna exercise my thirty day return option.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sswalia:
the htc sedna p6550 seems like it has our missing drivers.... check out this website (translated from spanish) http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...notice-87P4.html&langpair=es|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

those benchmark tests are pretty conclusive it seems.

DOES ANYBODY OWN A SEDNA AROUND HERE?? If so it would be amazing to find our hidden treasure in the belly (rom) of that beast.

:eek::D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phi11yphan:
Signed. 12508 here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Time's up!... March 31st and no drivers... So lawsuit now?...

Someone email HTC... and get their plans...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] felixthecat:
was expecting some fix today whats happening or was it a 1st april joke
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jetdriver330:
Was going to post that it had been released at midnight tonight with a link to the April Fool's section of Wikipedia, but I just havn't the heart knowing how many people want this!!;)

So, having been one of the (possibly gullible?) people who actually got a reply from Peter Chou I decided to send an email via the HTC website asking whether that email was genuine and, if it is, where and when will the software update be posted. I'll post again if they bother to reply,

Regards to all...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] felixthecat:
had thought that too but didn't want to get banned
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
Pure torture.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Little_Bear:
Well well.. all nice and shiny, but how about some real action?? I am a fresh owner of a Tytn II for a few days now and every day I found out something that doesn't work or doesn't work like it should on this (not saying crappy yet) PPCphone.

Indeed graphics is to cry about.. build incamera should better be left out, no flash anywayz, battery-issues, bluetooth-issues etc..

Most ****ty thing I came upon was the not-want-to-pair with my TomTom Rider 2nd Edition Europa, since I ride my motorcycle very often, I really need to be able to answer phonecalls at that time.. this makes the HTC Kaiser very unusable for me.. and.. the problem does NOT persist at TomTom I can asure you..

Fix it all,HTC!!! Or my Kaiser is out of the window within his period of warranty.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
If it is still in few days, return it immediately.

Believe me, HTC will not fix this issue.

Move on, and wait for the new devices coming up.

Forget about Kaiser fix.

Oh btw, yes, I have and still use HTC Kaiser, but I already burried my hope for this fix. This is easier for me rather than checking the websites everyday to search for news update. I would rather save my energy to something else :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] olde:
Except that the problems you will have with your phone may get worse. I can no longer connect to one of my WiFi routers, and it cant stay connected to my car's bluetooth. I regret buying this sinfully expensive device, and after reading about how many other people have ever more complaints, I have decided never to buy another product from HTC.

Mr. Peter Chou, I do not hold you personally responsible, even though you lied in your email to me about a fix date. I was in fact impressed that you communicate directly with your customers. You likely have good intentions. However, a CEO can not always fix his company's fraudulent culture, right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] amik5:
therefore we need to fix it, and I know we can do it. It is just a matter of time
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mreaglejr:
ah but it's been such a long time.. how much time do htc.. i mean.. not htc.. then who exactly? however, how much time do we need to wait? :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mobilities:
Not cool. You People are goung a bit overboard.

Nutcases!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinjv71:
UMMM I don't think so- When you spend a lot of money on a product then you expect it to be complete. That is all we want. Please go take your 2 posts and go somewhere else.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] graatis:
Ok if there is 1 person who can code a d3d driver and sell them for 1$ a patch, then he'd make atleast 12,000 bucks according to the petition
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zolek:
It's really a shame for HTC, I sign petition 2 months ago then wait and wait ....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Fitipaldi1:
We're not GOUNG anywhere...man I wish those 'Slap-a-B' powers were approved right about now.

Why don't you try uninstalling the video driver on your computer for A DAY and see how you like it. We're not stuck up (Your first post) or going overboard (Your second post)...we just want what we paid for.

Don't go away mad, just go away.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PengLord:
Just give us the drivers Mr. Chou...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] starscalling:
http://www.selectgsm.com/htc-p4550-tytn-ii-unlocked-GSM-mobile-phone-c-268-p-1-pr-16600.html

a competitively priced unlocked one....

i'll save you the clicking... 750ish usd...

now mine was like 500.. and dammit i dont think i'm getting what i payed for... but that's why i signed the petition, and fully will give 20 bucks to whoever makes the vid driver come out smooth.. i'd like to use my vid cam already ; ;
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Apex i ITR:
Jay-Lib

The Red?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
Guy with head up his *******

Who is this guy? Get a clue dude, theres 12000+ and then you!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scottnj1966:
I have had htc phones for a while, lately the tilt.

I have never seen htc care about customers complaints yet.

They have a very long way to go for customer service. This particular issue is a good example.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] khaeid:
another sign

ok, i add mi name to the petition
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Fitipaldi1:
Motley Crue...:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mr.teddy:
this is my first and my last htc

next one will be the x1 or the nokia N96

:mad::mad::mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Carefull ! Xperia X1 is apparently HTC :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinjv71:
Face it- The issue is dead.

Let be real- this issue is dead. They could have supplied these in an instant. When were they supposed to release drivers? Did They- List they are spending money on development of new hardware. Please let's be realistic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] toteu.com:
video drivers?

I think that this isn't a driver problem, this is a hardware problem..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shafez:
So far we have seen 5 variants of WM6.1 with different built numbers, also different performnance.

If you compare the 19199 built with the 19209 built you will see increase in speed and also improvement in the video performance.

SO let us not loose our hopes, they might be working to over come the problem in the Official WM6.1 release.

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
I agree with the "Lets be real" saying... WM 6.1 was released 19 days ago... HTC promised an update by 20 days ago.... they made the promise 50 days ago... they most likely had access to WM 6.1 way before APR 1st since they are after all the best seller of WM Phones... They had to have WM 6.1 to work with earlier if we at XDA had it.... They are not going to fix the slowness... They said they wont... All they were going to do was fix video...

But the slowness of the phone itself is a huge issue... The dial screen causes me to dial slower than a PULSE TONE phone....

Move to iPhone... I can almost gurantee you X1 is going to be the same... The videos already on youtube... show that its 100 times slower than our Tytn II... HTC == quantity without quality... and by quantity i dont mean features... I mean cost.... Nokia would be good, but I dont see as many Nokia apps as I see for iPhone... especially after the SDK released... And i believe Nokia doesnt have touchscreen yet... but I could be wrong... well iPhone 2 with 3G and video Cam is suppose to be releasing this summer sometime... WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?... Email Apple if you need something more... and they will actually concern with your request unlike HTC/MS...

I was a Microsoft FAN until i bought the Tytn II...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirgawain123:
I rather say: I was a HTC fan until i bought the Tytn II!

screen tilts, and has built in GPS, but it performs much worse that Tytn I !!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pjwilkin:
It performs worse than my old Wizard for some things
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bicalho:
I want to sign the petition for new drivers too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pinx:
All these signatures, but no real progress :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
http://www.phonenews.com/htc-says-update-still-coming-nothing-else-3369/

Read that guys...

Dont you understand from thsi that because HTC has no real info on the driver... not even if it will be cab or actual ROM update.... that THERE IS NOT UPDATE... but rather, they are just trying to keep on saying there is one in progress so that people will calm and eventually as new phones arrive and people move to those, (for example, may launch event of HTC dream maybe) people will forget about this and activists wud move back from taking further steps....

we need to defeat this business strategy... or we wont have any updates... i am sick of this slow piece of crap...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zamdar:
So, where's the action? We're defeated?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KeesKaas:
Sign me in :)

wooo 14149 petitions.

Dutty's ROM made me already pretty happy though...has improved the quality of the phone in general
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ceevee369:
Solution awaited

You might all check HTCClassaction.org updated on may 9th and 10th.

Hope is what people rely on. We rely on HTC and it starts to look better then ever before.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Martinjv71:
LOL 10 months later

Guys new phones are out- They are moving forward not backward. It was a valiant effort but- seriously if those drivers come in- by then you will all be sick of your Kaisers and get new ones anyway. I respect and thank everyone for all the effort- Trust me Taiwan does not care about 10,000 people when there are millions of users out there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RedMist:
I wont be getting a new phone. I still have over a year left on my contract. :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] raiisak:
Signature: Raiisak
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] felixthecat:
sign me up

please stop choppy avi playback
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Sign Me up too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mormy:
Sign me up
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rayan:
Sign me up too...

FREEDOM TO OUR KAISERS!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mismith356:
I signed the petition...it might not help, but it can't hurt. I just got my Tilt and video at 23fps is terrible using WMP.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] new_ppc_user:
sign me up too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rajmagi:
lol.. another victim

cheers :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CescoAiel:
Some of us have little choice...

I can either spend € 450 on a phone, or get what is offered by my provider...

With the Vario III/Kaiser/TytnII at least I get a free phone, which is - for my needs - the best they offer, ánd credit for the upcoming months to cover the remainder of the discount they give with that contract...

And there is still TCMP... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] koskol:
Shame and sad!

sign me up too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] alisrafa:
Sign me up too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DjGrass:
drivers petition

pleas sign me too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rajmagi:
just sign the petition

btw, anyone knows about the KS20 porting status????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] legrec:
Sign Me up too.:mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] munnu:
sign me up too

sign me up too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Shining Light:
ive signed this a long time ago before i even own a kaiser, anyways are they making any progress with releasing a fully working driver?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cicciobellomo:
I've bought a Kaiser

I've just signed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weslyng:
we need the driver, or no more HTC phone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jbbad:
Hello all o//

I'm new in here, well, kind of cause I read the forum for long time now, but I've just signed in.

Ohh, and I've just signed the petition too at no. 16547 ! :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] milos.obradovic:
Me too

Just finished Petition, hope that we are lucky

:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Oh wow this thread is still around.. Amazing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Time for 'closure' I think

I agree. Isn't it about time one of the people who started the petition, gathers together the results and visits HTC (with media/Rogue Traders type program in tow :p) to present them with it and get their response? I think the fact so many people have signed it should be of interest. I'd be interested to hear how HTC can claim to be listening to its customers if it refuses to do anything at all, even when all of that is presented to them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
eh I think it's time that we let it go.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
So what should happen with the petition details? Are all those sigs to go to waste? Is that the responsible thing for the coordinators to do or would it be best to make one final attempt at getting HTC to listen and make the most of the petition first?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] slovoflud:
I agree.

we should switch to android
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
oh I didn't know that HTC wasn't aware of us and the problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Its one thing for them to privately know but quite another for them to publically refuse to do anything about it when confronted with the extent of discontent.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
They put out a reworked rom publicly and have admitted that they never claimed that the phone did any 3D stuff. So what else do you want?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ash1979:
17145 Signatures Total
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borov5:
Grrrr....stupid HTC! why can't they just upload the drivers and make everyone happy?!?!?!

:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] blackspawn2:
The most crazy and funny thing is that after the Kaiser most of you will buy or as already bought another HTC :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I agree. I signed it. The camera is laggy as hell.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lufc:
Will this ever finish no dont thik so
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ramuk:
I hope HTC would come out with something now !

Recent turmoil in financial world would force HTC to be sympathetic. Not everybody can buy new sets like this every 6 months. :(

I have signed the petition ....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DickeFix:
Is the drivers really an issue anymore?????

I think this driver issue is a thing of the past. The graphics benchmark results I get with my Tytn II with Windows Mobile 6.1 are very good and I don´t understand why there still are complains about the graphic speed. I have no problems at all. If it is dark the camera needs to lower the frame rate to reduce noise but that is normal. Here are benchmarks with Tytn II:

SPB Benchmark 1.6

================

Graphics index of 3984

CPU index of 1560.

TCPMP (Zoom 100%)

======================

RL_MQB (320x240):164.96%

RL_XQ (640x480): 84:40%

TCPMP results are dramatically better figures than reported for TytnII at Smape (97.62% and 23.38%)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] notbigboned:
Count me in

Count my vote on a fix for 3D enabled (and need I say, OPERABLE) solution for our 3D capable, but presentally not inoperable, Kaiser's!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
youre an idiot, the phone came with the hardware to do it, so HTC should've taken the time to make drivers for it...it would be like having GPS built in and then not making any drivers for it so it would essentially be useless...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Fastkill:
Just signed that bad boy. Only 572? WTF
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greeek:
Just because the device CAN perform better, doesn't mean that you have been misled and that you are owed anything.

If I upgrade the computer software in my commodore, it will perform better. This DOESN'T mean Holden OWE it to me.

All the hardware in the HTC works - It's irrelevant that you say it could perform better... It operates exactly as stated by HTC.

There are better onscreen keyboards available than the current HTC ROM's included one, and better dialling apps... Does that mean they owe you for that too??

Get a grip.. Or would it be better to ask that you loosen your grip a little!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyro9219:
Make that 585... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bishopau:
all these signatures will be for nothing if the petition starter doesnt fill in some essential details as it will be 'deleted shortly'