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[Nexus 6P General] iamterence:
Okay, let's break this down.

You're upset about the price. Understandably. The Nexus line was all about development and affordability. While Nexus devices were premium to a sense, they were never PREMIUM premium. The Pixels are. Just from a design standpoint alone they already exceeded the design of previous Nexus devices by going for a design that attracts the GENERAL public, something the Nexus line never quite really did. Next time you step out of your house, look at the phones people have in their hands. You'll see Samsungs, iPhones, maybe even some LG devices. How often would you see someone else with a Nexus device in hand out in the real world? I'll be money that it's slim, to none. Unless you live in or near Mountain View, CA. The design of the Pixels is to get those Samsung/iPhone wielding consumer's attention.

Next, development.

Yes, the Nexus line was about development. Guess what? IT STILL IS. You're on XDA, ffs. You must be bugging if you think development is suddenly going to stop once these phones are released. You're also bugging if you don't think SOME of these Pixel-exclusive features won't make it to AOSP. Not all, of course, because of hardware-specific stuff. But honestly, even if none of them make it, what exactly IS Pixel specific? Software-wise.

Just because they announced the end of the Nexus line =/= end of Nexus development. And with Nougat 7.0, this is the best shape Android has EVER been in. Yes, the Pixel has new hardware and new cameras and better battery life and more RAM, but tell me honestly, what are you ACTUALLY missing out on?
[Nexus 6P General] Raphael17:
Google phones all have price drops (steep ones too) by the time all of us want to spend $700 on a phone it will be $400 and now we have some money to spend. Chill everyone, it's a new era for Google they are shifting the company in a new direction; anyone who watched the keynote will understand this.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
I won't be missing out on a goddamn thing because I am using an iPhone.

But I agree with everything you said. Google wants, and rightfully so, to appeal to the general public. I just hate that they aren't saying HTC built the damn thing.
[Nexus 6P General] ilyassnexus:
So if I understand properly, the stabilization on pixel is software based so a part should be possible to nexus 6p ?? actually pretty much all the pixel features could be ported to the 6p right ?
[Nexus 6P General] iamterence:
Are you referring to me?
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
People like me on T-Mobile's JoD plan, are ****ed if they want a Pixel phone.

And for some dumb unknown reason Google says Verizon would be a great carrier to team up with. WTF ? They're the worst, and have even admitted to locking it doen already.

The Project Fi carriers are T-Mobile and Sprint. Those two would've made more sense to launch it with carrier wise, than the Nazi Verizon ****s.

Oh well, looks like my next upgrade on JoD might be an iPhone 7 Plus, ( and i hate the iPhone ) once a Jailbreak comes out. Thanks for killing the Nexus line Google, R.I.P.
[Nexus 6P General] dbroer91884:
I'll probably not get the new phone because I have a nexus6p and very happy with it. Plus I can't really afford one of the new ones yet so I'm not going to get it. Only real Downer that I noticed because they posted change logs on Android police is that the nexus6p is not going to be getting Google Assistant. Hopefully that's just a limited-time thing but we will have to see.
[Nexus 6P General] vaerio81:
Lol you guys are drowning in a cup of water ...... I actually do like what Google is doing but I am not getting the phone because I can justify spending that much on a phone I'm ok with my 6p till one more year .....it would be nice of they would of kept Nexus for development purposes and pixel phones for tenor echo system they are trying to build .
[Nexus 6P General] Milly7:
I won't be getting the phone because I can't justify the price. When the rumours hit, I thought for sure there would be more special features. But I do think it's the step Google had to take. When things are criticized about Android, it reflects on Google. The biggest one being fragmentation. Stepping into the competition against other Android flagships puts direct pressure on them to stay up to date as well, or those who value updates will switch to their "premium" branded phone. I do however wonder if the pricing is also due to the lack of cobranding a la Nexus. By omitting HTC's name, it likely caused them to be charged more to have the devices manufactured. If/when they build a supply chain like Apple, I think/hope they will do better with pricing for the Pixel line.
[Nexus 6P General] jonmorris:
HTC started out making phones without anyone knowing who they were. It's history repeating itself.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
Theyre fragmenting their own range, Nexus devices not getting updates until later.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
I happily spent the $499 on my 64GB Nexus 6P awhile back, and I really love this phone. Now do I want to spend another $800+ to get a slightly better Nexus phone in this new Pixel XL ? Not really, as I don't think that new $800 phone will be radically different and a major upgrade over my current 6P running 7.0. Yeah the Pixel XL is a cool phone, but is it $800 better than my 6P ? In my opinion no way.

Now if your rocking an older phone like the Motorola Nexus 6 or some Note 4 or something, then yeah the Pixel XL is a fantastic upgrade path.

And the carrier thing, since I'm already on JoD, I don't want to fiance this Pixel through Google, as that then defeats the purpose of me being on JoD with T-Mobile. I may just get of JoD next year altogether though, as it's looking like that's only good for three types of phones now, iPhone, Galaxy, and LG. Don't ever see a Pixel phone coming to other carriers, but who knows if it's on Verizon now, I could see them eventually moving it to other carriers possibly.

Right now, my next phone, might be the iPhone 7 Plus on T-Mobile's JoD program once a Jailbreak is out.
[Nexus 6P General] ps000000:
I will wait for 2nd hand 128GB XL next year until the price drop.:p:p:p:p:p
[Nexus 6P General] nonione:
Already preordered!

Damn you Google!

Oh well at least I got the VR thing for free!
[Nexus 6P General] galaxys:
By that time, Google will realize their big mistake and revive the Nexus! :):cool:;)
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Which is a better looking and more beautiful design ? The Pixel or Nexus 6P ? To me the 6P hands down;

PIXEL;

6P;

6P;

PIXEL;
[Nexus 6P General] galaxys:
Check this cancel thread out here
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
No more BS, I am being totally serious here, please.

Listen, I am not knocking the Pixel XL phone itself,m yeah it's a kick ass piece of hardware for sure. Great processor, great camera, great display, etc... yes that's awesome Google finally did it all right. But the $800 price tag just seems off for a Google phone for some reason. Google used to purposely lower the price of Nexus phones, and still have flagship specs. Yeah maybe the camera sucked or poor display, but everything else was always top notch flagship hardware for it's day.

The Nexus 4 was $349 at launch, and it had flagship specs for it's day, same hardware inside as the $700 Note 2 at the time.

The Nexus 5 was $399 at launch, again same hardware inside as the flagship Galaxy S4 at the time selling for $650.

Yeah maybe it didn't have the best cameras as those other flagships, but that's not worth 100% higher double price just for a better camera. Point is Google was purposely selling the Nexus phones at a loss for developers. Now they aren't doing that anymore.

But it's still missing;

- No water resistance

- No wireless charging

- No OIS

I still think the iPhone and Galaxy phones should be tad more premium priced, and the Pixel a notch below, in like the $599 price range IMO.

And the carrier thing, I just hate exclusives. Either put it out on all the major U.S carriers, or don't put it on them at all. But a Verizon only thing is just stupid IMO. And I don't mean for to be able to get in T-Mobile, it's just on principle, an exclusive carrier only for such a huge phone release is idiotic.

Would Samsung put the S8 out on ATT only, and no other carriers ? Would Apple release the iPhone 7S on Sprint only and no one else ? Of course not, they want to sell as many phones possible, and will put it in every carrier store possible. So if Google is trying to play the same game as the iPhone's and Galaxy's, well then the game is played in carrier stores too, all of them.

This launch just seems strange to me from Google, very confusing. A Verizon exclusive, and $800 pricing. I don't get it. Like they wann play the Apple + Samsung game, but they don't. Which is it ?
[Nexus 6P General] channaq4:
nope
[Nexus 6P General] TransportedMan:
Understand that I'm not upset because I'm too broke, or cheap, or can't afford these new Pixels. The price isn't the point, but at the same time, it is. What's upsetting are the specs of the phone. If the Pixels specs + features justified it's price... no one would have room to complain.

For a 869.00 Pixel + tax in my state would come out to 940.00. For an Android phone that's virtually 1000.00, it's simply not worth it hardware and feature wise. For about half that price, I can get a phone with a bigger battery, better processor, expandable storage, hi-fi 32 bit audio, 5/6gb of ram, dual cameras, etc in the Huawei Mate 9 schedule to be released next month or December at the latest.

This is a slap in the face from Google. It's like a car salesman trying to sell you Honda Civic for the price of Jaguar XF. I'm very interested in how sales will be I'm definitely keeping track of this. Maybe they'll do like Sony did this summer with the X Performance and realize it was overpriced and slash it's price significantly in just a week after release.
[Nexus 6P General] Don_Perrignon:
I'm knocking the Pixel. It's nice, but still missing a lot.

Google is leaving out OIS for a second year in a row, in exchange for another childish explanation. Dual front facing speakers are missing and the visor is halfway down the back.

Don't charge more with so much missing.

The fast charging, is it proprietary or Qualcomm? I want a universal charging to be able to buy multiple accessories.

Is there a notification LED?

I still wish Google would get with dual sim and FM radios.

So, we effectively have less than last year's Nexus. But, you want us to pay more. I'll pay more if things aren't left out.

So, if Google adds these features BACK next year, count me on board.
[Nexus 6P General] milan187:
BlackBerry did the same pricing with the Priv last year. That worked out well for them. Market is way to competitive in my opinion for this kind of pricing. Even with Nexus pricing the sales where not amazing. Good luck but I see a price cut.
[Nexus 6P General] alexiuss:
So what? That's why manufacturing partners exist...Apple does not build iPhones, Foxconn does, do you see any Foxconn branding on iPhones? no...

Enviado desde mi Nexus 6P mediante Tapatalk
[Nexus 6P General] abraxo:
Why are so many people saying the pixel doesn't have OIS? It has OIS
[Nexus 6P General] dex2grigg:
I'll be upgrading to the next oneplus from 6p, Google has basically f*cked it
[Nexus 6P General] r3ix:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ras-will-not-optical-image-stabilization-ois/
[Nexus 6P General] gianton:
That's what I already did, I'm keeping my 6P and got an iPhone 7 instead of these overpriced Pixel devices.
[Nexus 6P General] rohit25:
I'll summarize... Adios amigos Pixel
[Nexus 6P General] comicbookguy72:
I think they screwed the pooch big time. Too much missing, way too expensive and no 64gb option.
[Nexus 6P General] r3ix:
Its the first Google Phone that im not thinking to buy... This pixels will be so bad for Google...
[Nexus 6P General] gibawatts:
Absolutely ****ing not!
[Nexus 6P General] lucky_strike33:
Wow so many poors in this board. Or I could say too many kids complaining about the price. Get over it!
[Nexus 6P General] aramil:
For the first time it's a no from me.

Sorry Google, but totally underwelmed by the entire pixel range, it just comes across as very... Meh.... at a wow price point (with no actual wow included).

I will stick with my nexus 6P, safe in the knowledge that I am not really missing out on anything.
[Nexus 6P General] dbroer91884:
I actually think they are going to sell a ton of these, just not to Android tech geeks, such as ourselves. (I know I'm making an assumption about you, but you're on xda so...)

Google is not marketing these phones to us Geeks. They will hope to sell them to us, but we do not make up most of the population. Essentially, they are hoping the general public with be like the people that blindly follow Apple. They are getting them in carrier stores (although in a sort of odd marketing way, with exclusivity deals, which seem like a bad idea to me), they are directly campaigning these as "yeah, this is the price, but look at the price per month. The general public will not care about the overall price of the phone. If they did, Apple and Samsung would have been in trouble long ago. The general public care about how much will it cost per month. They will walk into the stores, see the phone with the Google logo, and assuming they were not going to get an iPhone, will seriously consider this name because they've heard of the name Google.
[Nexus 6P General] Chad_Petree:
What an incredibly elitist comment to make ! :/ , So only rich people should be able to afford this phone ? As far as I know Google is not a "luxus" company like vertu and the likes

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6P mit Tapatalk
[Nexus 6P General] DanXbix:
I prefer larger screen even if .2 more.. Came from nexus 5 then to the note series 3 of them and had LG G3 5.5" in between. It is just not big enough in my opinion. Going to miss the Nexus range. But won't be getting pixel just looks like any other phone with to bigger bezels & smaller screen :(
[Nexus 6P General] LegacyKill3r:
I was in shocked when i saw the prices for such basic looking phone it doesn't look high end at all I guess i will be sticking with my 6p for a while Im not paying 800 plus dollars for a phone like that.. we need to speak out so google can come back down to earth!
[Nexus 6P General] gianton:
I'm afraid there's no turning back by Google, we'll be seeing a lot of more closed source in the near future (hope I'm wrong though).
[Nexus 6P General] lucky_strike33:
It's a premium built phone with metal and high end specs. What did you expect the price to be?
[Nexus 6P General] LegacyKill3r:
I hope not because Im a pro google on everything and this will turn me off very much.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
"Premium" with virtually no features.
[Nexus 6P General] lucky_strike33:
It's not a nexus anymore which was cheap to buy. It's now the pixel and expect prices to be this high going forward.
[Nexus 6P General] LegacyKill3r:
so was the 6P and it looked 10 time better and it was priced perfectly!
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
I'd be happy to pay that price if it actually had some decent features. Wireless charging, OIS, always on display, front firing speakers, HDR screen, waterproofing e

etc etc. It's a basic Vanilla phone which has virtually nothing that they're trying to charge an extortionate price for.
[Nexus 6P General] LegacyKill3r:
U have my respect my friend.. I also have the money especially after my credit card increased my limit to 3k more, But i cant justified that kind of money on a phone thats not way better than my 6p. I would rather use that money to get The OLED TV of my dreams..
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
That is an invalid argument. Foxconn is a contractor that builds the phones for Apple, they don't have their own set of Foxconn devices.

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Not a cost thing for me, but more of a "why spend this much on something mediocre?"

Also, I'm not a kid, and many others here aren't.

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OnePlus 3 - $399

http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_3-7995.php

Axon 7 - $399

http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_axon_7-8067.php

Both are full metal builds and premium spec'd. The only difference being the Pixel has the Snapdragon 821.
[Nexus 6P General] AndrasLOHF:
So much this. I in no way need a replacement for my 6P but really really wanted to upgrade to the Pixel XL. There is literally nothing about this phone from a hardware standpoint that can justify the price to me. At the price point they've thrown on us I fully expect this to have wireless charging, waterproofing, and fully upgraded internals compared to the 6P in addition to the things that make the 6P better(bigger screen, stereo speakers). Really the only intriguing thing to me is the software and as terrible as it sounds I fully expect Google to hold off on as many software features as possible to try to get impatient people to buy a Pixel.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
The problem with the $800+ price, and not in carrier stores except one.

I did a poll between extended family and friends last year. Probably like 30 to 40 different people, and I'd say 75% iPhone owners. And a lot of them are extremely successful, either Doctors, Lawyers, and Hedge Funder's, making $250k and up a year. Anyways I asked them at family parties and holidays about their smartphone use, and how they get their phones. I asked if they pay full price for the phone out of pocket, meaning the $750 or so. Their answers were all the same, every single one of them, I mean 100% of them said hell no. They all had the exact same response pretty much, they get their phone on their carrier contract, pay nothing upfront for it, or pay very little down like $99, and get it as part of their monthly cellphone bill. Every one of them said you're crazy if you'd pay $750 for a cellphone, even though it may be cheaper in the long one to do so, they all said no.

I've asked my coworkers and boss, about 20 different people, that make pretty good money, same response, they said heck no would I buy a cellphone for $700, they all get it through their carrier and as part of the monthly billing.

My point; the only way this Pixel has a chance of being successful is putting it in every carrier store, plus advertising it strongly. I know you can finance it through Google, but the average Joe Blow public won't do that,. They just want to walk into their carrier store, and leave with a new phone, all setup for them.

Putting it on Verizon only, we'll see how this plays out ?? Maybe like Apple starting off with ATT only and the iPhone originally, and eventually it got huge and on all carriers down the road. Maybe that's Google's plan ?
[Nexus 6P General] spotmark:
Anyone seen this? https://twitter.com/RDR0b11/status/783688380290732032

I'll probably wait to grab a used Pixel when the prices are reasonable, but certainly not running out to get one.
[Nexus 6P General] kristiangmez:
I think I ll do the same but I ll wait for the iPhone 8. Bye bye Google
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
What does that mean? What does "Premium built" mean?
[Nexus 6P General] lucky_strike33:
Go look it up big boy
[Nexus 6P General] got2best:
This feature would have sold me.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
The thing I don't understand, year after year the Nexus phones always had top of the line hardware, same exact processors and same RAM, and same screen resolution as the current Galaxy S or HTC One M phone from that same year, but those Samsung and HTC phones were selling for $650 to $700 off contract, whereas the Nexus phones sold for $399. Yeah the Nexus phones maybe had a poor camera, and maybe lower end build quality, but is that worth double the price difference ? Nope.

So why is this Pixel now so much more expensive all of a sudden compared to like the $499 Nexus 6P ? Is the better camera, and display costing that much more to shoot it up from $499 to $800 ? No way. You can't count the internal hardware, as that always get upgraded and improved year to year. So even if there was a Nexus 7P, it would also be rocking the SD820 + 4GB RAM.
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
Couldn't have said it any better....

I can purchase the XL 128GB right now without a worry, but I have a certain thing called commonsense and it tells me that there is no need for any device to cost that much that can be manufactured right now. There is just no need to purchase a phone that costs more than a 4K TV, or an Xbox One/PS4.5, the monthly payment on a Mercedes Benz or BMW. That is just flat out ridiculous.

As for the people in here that are saying that this thread is filled with poor people, you're nothing but an idiot. Regardless of if people here are poor, and I'm pretty sure there are more than a few people here that are rich or at least well off, no one in their right mind can look at that device and say...."Yep, that's totally worth the price." News flash Google.....Galaxy Note 7....sans explosions.....and not even that phone is worth $700+ but at least it has a DAMN PEN THAT YOU CAN USE!!!! Oh yeah....and it's MOTHERFLIPPING WATERPROOF!!! Pixel is premium my a**. Sheeps man....sheeps.... (yes that word is incorrect but it applies)

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Really? That's all you have to reply? You have literally proven my point. Please do not converse with me any further.
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
If you're calling Pixel devices "premium" perhaps you had better look up the meaning...big boy.
[Nexus 6P General] lucky_strike33:
DId someone piss in your cereal? Why not use GOOGLE to find out??

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a lot of pissed off people here lol. did someone piss in your cereal as well??
[Nexus 6P General] ntxct:
Coming from the guy that posted, "If I dont like it then I will just sell it and have 2 more years on my UDP at 29.99."

So not only do you not pay full price, you also scam a system that then forces others to eat up your usage with our fees, then you also said "Did someone piss in your cereal? Why not use GOOGLE to find out?? "

So you came in aggressive, provided no real answers or support, used the good ole "google it" answer and, yet, we're the "kids"...

Now it makes sense how only 1 in 7 of your posts have been "Thanked"

On topic, no, the 6p is where Im staying until/unless oneplus and verizon start working well together.
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
I brought popcorn....and my money is on you!!!:eek::silly:
[Nexus 6P General] got2best:
If I upgrade I would be paying for the device all at once from the play store because I hate financing devices and being locked to a SP. All depends on how well Google Fi works in the meantime. Ordered the sim card last night, going to use the good old 6P with it. Once the device is in retail stores I'll go hands on ;) with it and see how it feels :p .. really do wish it had a nice led bar on the back like my previous post, almost a new device imo.
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
Project Fi is awesome!!! Haven't had any issues with them. Kind of wish CM and the likes would figure out how to get it to fully function though.
[Nexus 6P General] got2best:
Did not know customs Roms didn't have this working. Thanks. Luckily I enjoy stock as well with a custom kernel. Tempted to make the jump the the pixel tho. Curious how it will keep its value over time. Getting android pay to work on a rooted devices has become a pain as well.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
I'm chatting with a guy over at Google right now concerning the Nexus devices. Here is what he had to say.
[Nexus 6P General] CZ Eddie:
I was interested in the Pixel specifically for the purpose of using it with Project Fi and assumed I would be able to flash all kinds of cool AOSP & CM ROM's.

Are you saying that non OEM ROM's have issues with Project Fi?

That would be the dagger I needed to keep me with AT&T and my Motorola.
[Nexus 6P General] got2best:
Searching through a couple rom threads for the 6p it looks like it does work. Maybe just a problem with CM Roms? I'll have to look through the threads. To early to say anything for the pixel of course.