yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] rituj_b:
Well this isn't enough for full substratum support. You need to merge all the frameworks_base commits(from 1/11 to 11/11), the sepolicy commits and the frameworks_native commits too from the projektsubstratum gerrit.

Thanks anyways though.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Appreciate your work, Sean.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bay91:
Have had some strange issues on install here. Clean flash with open gapps. First time phone closed at boot and stayed on black screen. Wiped again, fresh install, this time Qualcomm crashed, same again. After these 2 attempts I gave up, real shame!

And not a noob here, understand flashing principles, just can't pinpoint why on both clean flashes this occurred. No errors to speak of, latest twrp, really no clue!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I can pinpoint it. Did you flash the ROM from the OP? Don't. Flash the build I posted a couple pages back.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bay91:
It was from the first page. OK, I'll try. Before I do, do you happen know if I can restore a twrp data backup to a newly flashed version of aokp, after I've wiped to install the rom? Just curious as it will save time, plus also will mean I don't have to tb everything prior to flashing. Thanks again!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Here's the latest build http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=69942775&postcount=567 . Couldn't link it before because I was on the road.

As for restoring data, that's a hit or a miss. Sometimes it works for people, sometimes it causes issues. But you don't have to wipe data to flash this ROM if you're already running it. Just flash it. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] rituj_b:
Well if you wanna do it fast and since AOKP is CM based, you can just cherry pick them from the aicp-gerrit coz they have got it working and you won't get any merge conflicts.

Cheers, :good:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Or you could do it and submit it to our gerrit. :good:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Sean, I sent you a PM. Give it a read when you get a chance please.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
;) PM'd back.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Haha I sent a couple more PM's. Check em out when you can.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] rituj_b:
Well if you don't have time for it, then I would love to do it. :D

Srsly you concentrate on your work and I'll do this for ya.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Gerrit has always been there. You don't have to ask me or anyone to contribute. That would be awesome. :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
[MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION]

Are nightlies coming back soon Sean?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Yeah. We need to work out a few things for the switch to Nougat,. I'll know more sometime soon.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
I'm on 2.3.8 firmware and was reading on the rr thread people are on beta 8/7 firmware considering its nougat... Is this recommended or should I stay on the firmware I'm on?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
This ROM has been the most stable one for me, tried AICP, official CM14.1, Unofficial ones, CypherOS, Tesla and a few other ROMs. This ROM doesn't reboot, is very very smooth, battery life is good and the phone doesn't heat up that much when using like splitscreen with YouTube & XDA (at the moment ;)) and everything seems to be working except the alert slider. Which will probably be fixed in the next update.

Also, the boot screen is awesome :fingers-crossed:

Please keep this ROM updated and us satisfied. Thanks for all the effort and hard work!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
Your choice. You can either stay on 3.2.8 firmware or flash the firmware/modem of Beta 8 before flashing the ROM.

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Try this to get the alert slider to function :

Install Notification Slider from Playstore and grant it the necessary permissions. Set SELinux to permissive using SELinuxModeChanger. Reboot. :)

It may or may not be fixed in the next update as Sean (our dev) don't have the issue on his device and none of us (select few) users who are experiencing this issue have succeeded in troubleshooting its cause.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
Yea but is there any advantage using beta 8 firmware? 3.2.8 is mm and on the other thread people were talking bout how that may affect it
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
All of us here and everyone out there using any of the custom N ROMs were on 3.2.6/7/8 firmwares before Beta 8 showed up. There are no real disadvantages to using .8 firmware over Beta 8's.

Some users have reported that they've better cell reception with Beta 8 modem but haven't experienced any difference myself.

Anyways if you are concerned you can just flash the Firmware/Modem zip found here, http://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3/how-to/radio-modem-collection-flashable-zips-t3468628/page19 before flashing the ROM.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Jole7:
Best results for me with 3.2.8 firmware
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
New build coming soon. Added OMS (Substratum) support. You can check out gerrit for all the changes here for the open OMS commits I submitted http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/q/status:open . Everything else that's been merged is in it's usual place here http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/q/status:merged .
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
New build is up guys. Links are also posted in the OP. ;)

https://plus.google.com/+SeanHacker/posts/6hVThTLEu69
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
Thanks a lot! Flashing the update now, ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Good build dude.

Wake on plug setting is there twice in the display settings.

No luck with alert slider.

The rest is great.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Thanks. I didn't notice that CM just merged the Wake on Plug feature today and we already had it. I removed the extra one. I'm looking into the alert slider this weekend.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Nightlies for N builds have resumed. Keep in mind that the nightly builds will

NOT

have the OMS support yet as we haven't merged it yet. So if that's something you want/like then you will have to wait for my builds.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Flamehell:
Yes!!!!Finally!!!Tnx a lot bro!!!!First official nightly is already up?Tnx a lot buddy :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
It's building right now. It will be a little bit. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Flamehell:
Tnx a lot buddy!!Just one question....have you already merge oos N8 bloobs?Tnx bro :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
There's been no blobs merged lately. In my builds I include the blob that fixes volume slider and echo.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
They literally just pushed new blobs 2 minutes ago. https://github.com/TheMuppets/propr...mmit/041e00af5a58147436c51c70d0d1e038a3fd4e48 :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Sean thanks for merging oms.. I remember requesting for. It.. Had another query..

Sultan has shifted to oos camera hal.. I've used his rom for the first time only to see if there's improvement in cam quality and well there is.. Have u looked at it..? Or we have it merged..?

Thanks for being so vocal and implementing what's being requested politely..

Cheers..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
The only problem with that is we track CM repos that contain the camera hal. We would have to track, keep up to date, ect... I will look at what's involved with the OOS camera hal and see if I can do an add-on flashable zip so that those that want to use it can.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] calvinistmac:
By volume slider do you mean the volume slider in software or do you mean the ninja mode switch (as you have put it before) :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Like volume slider while in-call. Prior to merging the blob you couldn't adjust volume while in call. I'm looking into ninja slider as I type this. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
flashed aokp for 1st time. rom is great. smoother than RR. just missing alert slider. hope it gets fixed soon. using 3rd party app for now
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Check your PMs Sean.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Flamehell:
Bro,is already available the first nightly?Tnx!!:good:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] puschkin:
Is ex kernel working for this ROM?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] calvinistmac:
EX wasn't updated for N yet, don't flash it unless you want a headache. The only kernel that you could give a try is Boeffla's CM14 kernel. Honestly, just stick with AOKP's included kernel. Less hassle and it works just fine and is pretty secure.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
i sometimes get phone app force close and signals on both sim are lost. then the app restarts and everything becomes normal. i cant recreate this bug and this happens random. few other apps also force close on same way. just notifying you [MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION] incase u dint know this already
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I've never seen that happen at all. Without a logcat I really can't tell you why you'd be having the issue. Other than maybe a theme isn't working correctly or maybe you have some apps that are going bonkers.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
i know i shouldn't be saying anything without a log but that happend random and i couldn't replicate those issues again. i dint have anything installed at that time it closed. il provide logs if that happens again
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
Anybody know how to edit the battery icon? Or there's no way of doing this?

Some things I've noticed that others haven't posted...

- Option to swap recents and back button shows twice and only one works

- Cannot center clock in statusbar

- Data meter doesn't show when data saver option is enabled (don't know if it's a bug or it's like that)

- Weather in clock widget is not working

- No option to edit recents "clear all" (miss not having to scroll all the way to the top to clear recents)

Rom is buttery smooth and for 1/4 day of use and heavy music streaming little battery has drained
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] slothdabski:
ex kernel has been updated for nougat/cm14.1 for 2 days now...
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Flamehell:
Is already up the new nightly guys?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
You seem to be really excited to try out the official nightly. ;)

You can find it here, https://basketbuild.com/devs/aokp/oneplus3 , once it's uploaded. Be patient. :o
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Swap recents only show once for me.

You can see the center clock in this picture also.

Data Meter in battery settings? Not sure what you mean by this one.

Weather in clock widget works great. You need the cm weather app from the play store for it to work. It's always been like that.

Recents "clear all" has been like that since Nougat was released. It's how it's supposed to be now. We haven't added any options in ROM Control yet for it.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
I apologize, I was confusing swap recents with the "reorient volume buttons" option under the "buttons" tab... Guess I was too sleepy last night I somehow confused it

Where is the option for center clock? I don't see the option anymore on aokp settings, I'll provide a screenshot

EDIT: Saw that the clock options are apart from aokp settings app now... My mistake

I meant to say that the network traffic indicator on the statusbar doesn't show if I have the data saver option turned on... I have it set to auto hide but as soon as I unset the data saver option it starts showing... Is this a bug or is it the way it's supposed to show?

What cm weather app do you have installed? I have cm yahoo weather provider intalled and that ain't working for me

About recents clear all setting, I was used to it being on mm and that's why I asked... Be cool if u guys implemented it on the aokp settings

Thanks for your hard work... Had gone back to oos while nougat got better and now I'm back... Without any call echo on roms, and many more fixed stuff since when nougat came out, it's definitely my daily driver now
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I only have one reorient volume buttons selection.

I truned on netwrok traffic indicator on the statusbar to autohide with data saver on and it''s working for me. I took a screenshot when I refreshed a web page so that it would activate. It did.

Center clock options are in statusbar section of settings.

I just have the cm yahoo weather provider installed. Go iinto ROM Control/General/cLock settings to get it setup.

We will be implementing more ROM Control options. Just added more today. Check gerrit. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] gillim74:
What is the .log ones in basketbuild?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
It's the build log.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
Only thing not working for me now is weather widget and statusbar network indicator but only when data saver is on

EDIT: Portable hotspot grayed out?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
New Nougat build is up guys. Links here and in the OP. Have fun!

https://plus.google.com/+SeanHacker/posts/dCY7GiyUbpD
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Flamehell:
Tnx bro!!!:)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Hate to keep asking, but think the alert slider works yet?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
Do we have to reflash GApps again?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
Just thought I'd post an update to my problems...

I disabled the data saver feature and the network traffic option started working... I noticed some messages not going through and noticed it was because of this feature.... So I stopped using it and now my network traffic option is working again

The clock widget works now... I changed my GPS from high accuracy to mobile only, deleted cache on the Yahoo weather app and on the clock app and nothing worked... What eventually worked was me adding a location manually and then deleting the manual option for that city

Again, just posting what I had to do to get it working so that u can know and others who might encounter this in the future...

Downloading new update as I type, saw on the changelog something about tethering... Hopefully after the flash I will get tethering and Hotspot not grayed anymore
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] brumgav:
Bug Report - Build 11/12 + Open GApps Nano 09/12

Brightness icon next to brightness slider in notification drawer doesn't display an 'A' when in auto brightness mode
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] calvinistmac:
Never, ever, ever, ever flash GApps on top of a dirty flash!

If you dirty flash, just flash the updated rom over top of your existing setup, nothing else. If you flash GApps again you'll end up having to wipe everything and start from scratch.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
The last time I updated, all of my Google apps were gone. So I had to wipe everything and start from the scratch. Very annoying.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] calvinistmac:
That usually only happens if you wipe /system before flashing. Did you do that or just dirty flash?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
I just dirty flashed, and when I rebooted everything from Google was gone ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] calvinistmac:
[MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION] do you have any input on this?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
Just updated without flashing GApps, everything related to google crashes. So again, have to reflash GApps (so Factory reset again). Getting pretty tired of this..

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No Play Store on my phone now & an app (9292, which is a Travel app) was removed for no reason.

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Also, apps like mGerrit, Browser and more stock AOKP apps have been placed back onto my phone even though I removed them. Now that´s not my biggest issue with this ROM because I can delete them, but having to factory reset every single time I update is very frustrating.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] kanttii:
Maybe the install script wipes the system partition.. And well it's not technically allowed to include gapps in the ROM itself, so every time you flash a ROM that doesn't have them you also need to flash the gapps. Flashing a new system image usually wipes out the old one so that's why any additions to it like gapps, root stuff, fonts etc. need to be installed again.

So when doing a dirty flash with a zip that wipes system nevertheless, data is still left intact. Just the system mods are gone. That travel app disappearing is very strange though...
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
ROMs like AICP can be dirty flashed without problems. So when updating this ROM (which I like more) I have to factory reset every single time.. :(:(:(:(:(
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
feature request [MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION] is it possible to add live display qs tile?

it will be great to go directly into live display instead of long process. we had this feature in RR mm incase u want to refer something
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I haven't done a factory reset in months. You have issues that I have no clue what to tell you. You need to flash gapps when flashing this ROM. Nothing new there.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I flash gapps every single time I flash this ROM. Never had any issues.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] therebel88:
Am I correct in my understanding that substratum is working properly in the unofficial builds ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Substratum works.. Its merged..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Its not merged yet. Its only included in the builds I post separately from our nightly builds.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Yes captain he said unofficial builds.. :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
Anybody able to use tethering? My settings are grayed out
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
You seem to be having a lot of issues:laugh:

Tethering works fine. Connect a USB cable to your laptop and check it.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
[MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION]

Sean, 12Dec Nightly bootloops exactly the same way the earlier nightlies used to. There's something really wrong with those builds.:( You and Tom should look into this more seriously.

Btw, battery life's exceptional on your 12Dec Unofficial Build. I'm in love:D
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
Lol sorry... Some are issues most are just me trying to get accustomed to nougat...

So tethering only works with a cable? I'm at work, I'll check later after work
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I've been releasing builds here for that exact reason. It's why I've posted a link to Nougat builds in the OP. More seriously? Not sure how you have any clue as to how "seriously" we are looking into it?

Glad you like it dude.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Jakkomo77:
Hello guys, Nice Rom works good but i have The echo Problem! And with the echo fix zip the quality is bad too??

Any solution?

Thanx
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Which build did you flash? Because you are the only one with the echo issue. It was fixed a few builds ago now. Whatever echofix your flashing is causing the issue.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] brumgav:
Deep sleep

Just being curious....does the attached screenshot mean I'm not getting any deep sleep?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
It says you have 7 hours and 47 minutes of deep sleep.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] brumgav:
Ohhh yes...maybe I'm confusing deep doze then?

Didn't realise there was deep and light doze.

How do I get deep doze?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Don't use any apps or your phone.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Jakkomo77:
OK but that is strange, I'm on the last build 2016.12.11 nougat. Clean install firmware base 3.2.8!

After the bad echo I have flasht the echo fix not before!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
You're being very vague again. The last build on what? Nougat? MM? Are you running the 12.11.2016 build? There's absolutely no need to flash any echo fix. That was taken care of a few builds ago. Flashing an echo fix would cause a problem.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] null0seven:
That setting KILL all apps or most of them in youre phone. It's almost like you keep the phone off. GREAT battery !!!:)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Jakkomo77:
Sorry , yes the last nougat build!

I have changed the ROM because the echo was very strong ! I give it a new flash !

But the echo was before flashing the echo fix not after!

But is ok for you answers!

Thanx
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] lingh0e:
So what firmwares should I have if I'm running the latest builds for both MM?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] XeloOw:
I'm on 3.2.6 firmware . Yeah I'm still on MM :)

EnvoyÃ© de mon unknown en utilisant Tapatalk
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
New Nougat build is up guys.

https://plus.google.com/+SeanHacker/posts/dyiJcEpGPtx
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] brumgav:
Dirty flashed 17/12 build...I've noticed some toggles don't stick in the position I set them when I enable things...Like...In Sound...Disable screenshot sound....If I enable and then leave settings, when I return to settings the toggle is back on the left (although the option is still enabled).

Same thing happens with lock screen settings...When I enable DT2S...The toggle moves back to the left even though the option remains enabled
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Mike:
Going to give this ROM a try here in a few minutes. Just curious if someone could speak on GPS with this ROM as currently on Tesla N it takes me several minutes to acquire a GPS lock via Waze / Maps.

And is OMS fully merged now?

Thank you in advance for any answers

- Mike
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] mkr2511:
i can confirm this. i have this same prob. i did dirty flash too