yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
New Nougat build is up guys. Link located in the OP. Have fun.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
You the man!

Should we flash that echofix zip with the new build? Or did you put a fix in there already for the echo/no volume adjust in call problem?

Thanks Sean.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Yes. Flash the echo fix for now. The audio hal needs to be worked on.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Sean, bad news. Alert slider still does nothing :(
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I still have no clue why it wouldn't be working for you. Works fine on my end which makes debugging it pretty hard.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] jale:
I'm on the 19.11 buid, and my alert slider is not working either... Have not decided if I want to flash the latest, or wait for even more rom control.

I also have a problem with getting into samba shares on my server (local network). I know the share is online, but neither ES filemanager, rootexplorer or QuickPic can find/access it (I tried to search, IP and hostname)... I have flashed 19.11 three times now (don't ask why), and the second time i flashed the samba share was working perfect.

I also had a problem a couple of times with the home button wasn't waking/unlocking/registering finger. I had to use the powerbutton to wake the phone, and when it was awake I could use the finger to unlock it. But this only happened one or two times, and I think it was the first time I installed the ROM (im on 3.2.7 FW, and as i said, it was only a problem with waking/unlocking).

And I always do a full wipe when I flash, and I don't do backups/restores. I have actually never done a backup ever, for any of my phones.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
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[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] VocaloidBoy:
For does who wanna fix device model unknown

Just use build prop editor and add ro.product.model=A3003 to your build prop just like the pictures below :D
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
It was fixed few builds ago.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
[MENTION=5543422]bemolx[/MENTION] [MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION]

I think the thread title should be edited to inculde [7.1].
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I'm going to start a thread for 7.1 when it goes to nightlies. It's still in testing as for now.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
We've stopped MM nightly builds and have switched them to weeklies today guys. We will be doing Nougat nightlies pretty soon. I'll start a thread when It's ready and I will post here to let you all know. :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
The nightlies are on.. Waiting for thread.. And had a question..

Are you going to merge oms completely..?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Sultan.Alkhuzaie:
I flashed the latest nightley and I had a bootloop using beoffla kernal
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
I stick to stock Kernels.. Just Substratum is what I wanna know.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Wanna know if alert slider is fixed before I flash a nightly.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
Where exactly did you find the new nightly??

I couldn't find it anywhere on xda or on Sean's AFH page. :confused:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] juginkrebs:
https://basketbuild.com/devs/aokp/oneplus3

Scroll Down there are the newest Nightly

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[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] null0seven:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=385035244224401721
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I have no clue what beoffla kernel is. Maybe it uses different source.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I've updated this thread to reflect the new changes. Link for Nightly Nougat builds is located in the OP. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention. MM weekly builds will be built every Sunday.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Sultan.Alkhuzaie:
I though this rom is a cm based rom ? That's why I flashed the kernal if it is not it is my mistake

Kernal thread

http://xdaforums.com/oneplus-3/development/kernel-boeffla-kernel-xx-09-2016-t3455460/page43
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
It is CM based. But whether or not the kernel you're referring to is compatible... that I don't know. I really can't go looking through all of his source (I'm sure there's a lot of commits) due to a major lack of time to find out though. If that kernel works on CM, then it will work on this ROM.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nadejo:
Clean flashed latest Nougat build. The Rom is only booting nothing else. Back on cm
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I flashed the latest and everything is working. Can you please provide some info? Logs, last_kmsg. Something that helps to debug? You could be back on OOS, Dirty Unicorns, ect... doesn't really have any relevance here.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nadejo:
I simply clean flashed the rom/opengapps pico. The 3.5.5 fw that comes with cm14.1 and 3.0.2-23 twrp. Phone kept booting and showed setup menu with some apps crashing and kept booting and showing it again (Period) and booting again and so on. Doesnt look solid to me. And cm working (same flashing process)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
CM doesn't come with community build firmware (3.5.5). It was updated with some community build blobs though. You should be using 3.2.7 which was the latest firmware at the time they updated. Would you be willing to try something if I compile a build on my personal machine?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nadejo:
Im sry i dont have much time today :/ but thanks anyways
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nerlim:
I flashed the rom with nougat, I did complete wipe and date, are bootloop.

What do I do ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
[MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION]

Bootlooping for me also.

Clean flashed from OOS Beta 8. Twrp-3.0.2-1-28 from eng.stk.

My data partition is formatted to F2FS since I had switched to Beta 8. So maybe that's the issue..:confused:

Update: 26Nov build boots up with no issues. Therefore can rule out F2FS incompatibility. Will test some more and report back.

Update 2: Nightlies from 02Dec, 03Dec and 04Dec bootloop.

Update 3: Even tried reformatting data partition to ext4. All nightlies bootloop while your unofficial builds boot up just fine.

P.S. Sorry Sean. Can't really pull up any log as the device is not even booting for the adb servers to initiate logging.:p

Also I'll be more than happy to try your personal build. :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Yeah that's weird. I'll compile a build in a few on my machine for you guys. I'll let tdm know what's going on as he is building the nougat nightlies for now.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Here's a new Nougat build guys. Everything should be working great now.

https://plus.google.com/+SeanHacker/posts/K8nySEm2tje
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Hi Sean..

Do we have Substratum merged..?? Sorry it this has been asked earlier..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Beta 8 blobs included to fix echo, or should we still use that echofix zip going around?

Thanks Sean! I'll flash after you respond so I don't flash incorrectly. And this is still 3.2.7?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I really don't even know what substratum is other than a theme service. I know that people have reported the substratum app as working just fine to theme the ROM. I don't think we'll be merging a third party app if that's what you're asking?

Also. You can see everything that gets merged here http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/q/status:merged
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I've included the one blob that fixes echo. You don't need to flash anything.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Yay. Thanks for the quick response Sean. I was so excited for your build that i almost just went ahead and flashed. I was going to flash the echofix too, so good thing I waited.

I'm gonna get a quick charge in since my battery is a bit low, and then I'm gonna flash. I'll give some feedback after.

Thanks again, dude.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] geekynoob:
Since cm theme engine seems dead.. All the leading roms like Tesla or aicp or dirty unicorns have decided to merge substratum with there roms.. :) so was just following up.. Aosp supports legacy mode support for Substratum.. But when oms7 commits are merged we have full support like Tesla aicp etc.. Yes i do visit your git often..
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
[MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION]

Great new build you just put up dude! Haven't tested a call yet so I can't report about that yet, but I'm getting no lag at all. Responses are amazingly fast, phone temp is very nice in my hand, wifi connects great and fast.

One example is with EVERY other N ROM, including your previous builds, XDA labs app would give a parse error every time I first logged in. Just now I had no such error. This surprised me a bit.

So I'll report back later when I know more.

Btw, ROM controls are getting very good!

When can we expect the nighties to be on par with this build? I don't want to leave this one if it's gonna stay more stable for a while...

---------- Post added at 07:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:26 PM ----------

Okay, tried a phone call to a friend. NO ECHO weird your build, and that's with no extra echofix zips or anything. Just flashed your build, Gapps, SuperSU.

Volume button also works during call now. And the call volume in earpiece is very good now. I can hear the other person very well. And if I can't, I can adjust the volume finally as I said haha.

So this is great to me. Loving it. No complaints thus far.

---------- Post added at 07:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:30 PM ----------

It's not a very big deal if you ask me...

I don't know why people need to theme their phones beyond the default of the ROM/launcher. These things just lead to more bugs in my opinion. Never had one solid theme on cmte or substratum paid or free that worked great. So I just stick to what the ROM provides now.

I do see how some may get bored and want new flavors, but not myself. Maybe ask users if they want it or if you should even bother? I'll be using aokp anyway. Always one of my mm faves. And now it's a solid N build so I'm here for a while I think. :)

---------- Post added at 07:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:34 PM ----------

And isn't this a "leading" ROM? Aokp has always been a good ROM. I hardly consider tesla a leading ROM. For the op3 at least.

---------- Post added at 08:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:36 PM ----------

[/COLOR [MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION]

Totally forgot to try alert slider until now. It doesn't function still :(
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
The build is super smooth. Loved the new additions to the Settings as well as to ROM Controls. :o

P.S. Alert slider is still broken (for me). But no worries. I have the workaround for now and I'm sure one day we'll isolate the culprit causing the issue. :laugh:
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
There's a workaround? I'm not getting the slider to work either.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
Yeah. Found it in one of the threads.

1. Download Notification Slider app from Play store.

2. Give it the necessary permissions and change selinux mode to permissive as is required by the app.

3. Reboot.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
[MENTION=4454519]Sultan.Alkhuzaie[/MENTION]

Boeffla kernel is only totally compatible with original CM builds.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] cerealguy:
[MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION] now that we have official nightlies, what are the differences with yours unofficials builds? :)

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[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] jale:
I still have problems with my fingerprint sensor not doing anything sometimes. I have to wake the phone with the button on the side, then the fingerprint is working...

Other than that - love it! :) This is yesterdays build from previous page.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SwayART:
Dash charge support?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bemolx:
Will be included soon
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Schrotty35:
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/d250a0981bc9dc171e705a45f598e850ce9a9a7f

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[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] jamesst20:
Is today's build including the DASH Charge support ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Schnadam:
+1
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SwayART:
Any update on dash support?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] ufo8mymunky:
Great ROM. Thanks.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dispatcher2412:
Development

Has development stopped for this rom. I was using this and updating nightly. Very nice rom my wife uses it on her nextbit Robin as well.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Harry44:
AOKP was my favorite ROM for a long time. Glad to see it on the OP3!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
If it has stopped, it won't be for long as I just ordered my op3 today. :D
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Looks like AOKP is switching servers or something? If you guys would like to test out my builds while your waiting I could use the feedback to see what is working and what's not. Dash charge and everything should be working just fine. Untested as I haven't received my device yet. Just go HERE to download.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Konskl:
Will give this a try later tonight :) is it odexed or deodexed?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
It's compiled just as CM is. So it's deodexed. Please let me know how it's working. I merge, fix, and add features almost daily so pretty nothing will go unfixed for long. When I get my device I'll be starting a thread. Thanks!
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Blackjubel:
have here a test build for the One Plus 3

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24591000424955478

Optimizations .....

WITH_DEXPREOPT

USE_CLANG_PLATFORM_BUILD

CLANG_O3

and more ......
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SwayART:
Good man
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] m_reyna_16:
I'd like to see more updates on aokp... Was using resurrection remix and even tho it's a great rom with a lot of features, aokp seems faster to me with just the necessary mods...

No disrespect to OP but if he ain't going to update it then I'd rather anyone of you continue to update this rom

Just my two cents
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dispatcher2412:
I tried out this rom 8/18 build and it doesn't have dash charge.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I can/will update everyday. Just need someone to test builds until my device gets here next month.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dispatcher2412:
I can test them. I'm always flashing roms
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Cool. I'll compile a build right now if you want to try it out. We just merged a ton of stuff for this device earlier today. http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/q/owner:task650%40gmail.com+status:merged
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] liam_davenport:
Probs a CM issue
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Mine and official are exactly the same other than the one on our build server (official) was causing bootloops. The wording "unofficial" means nothing other than I've built it on my machine not inside the build server. Same source. My machine is also used for our build server. We are just having some issues at the moment that are being worked out.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
This has been an issue since the release of Nougat. It's gotten a lot better. But it still needs some work. Some days I have no issues, some days I do. It's very intermittent.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Nezorflame:
So basically this thread will become "official" one later on? If yes, will we be able to use OTA on it?

Another question if I may: does it support f2fs on any partitions?

P.S. Love the ROM, now it's my DD. Thanks for your hard work :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
This thread and everything I release here is official. If you have an OTA app or something that auto updates this ROM you could OTA I guess. But we don't have and OTA system.

As far as I know f2fs might work. I don't use it because I haven't seen any advantages with it other than it causing issues. Try it out and let me know.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] issasaurus:
+1 for substratum support. I just REALLY prefer black themes for aesthetics, battery life and eye strain prevention (I have an eye disease).

I'm surprised you don't keep up to date with the XDA threads in the OnePlus 3 development section...referring to you not knowing about substratum or boeffla. I understand it's hard to find time for all this AND life haha. Anyway, keep up the good work! Glad to have you here :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] cerealguy:
Substratum FTW! Great ROM btw! Keep up the good work [MENTION=2928662]SeanHacker[/MENTION] ! ?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I can't keep up with XDA. I don't have the time. I just tried a theme with substratum and it works great without having to add anything to source from what I see. Everything is themed.

I tested substratum and it works. :)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AJay27:
My data and cache partitions are on f2fs and I'm on Sean's latest build.

I don't see much difference in performance compared to ext4 except when I'm gaming. Games do load up pretty fast. But if you're not into games, its not worth moving to f2fs considering you'd have to wipe your whole device.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I just finished merging 7.1.1. Uploaded to gerrit. Should be pushed into the repos sometime tomorrow. I'll be uploading a build tomorrow sometime. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Can't wait to try. Any word on the alert slider yet? Last build I tried it didn't work still.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I haven't a clue on that one yet. Everything is where it's supposed to be as far as I can see. Still unsure about it at the moment.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Yeah it's strange. Only some seem to experience it.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] cerealguy:
I have this message when I open Substratum app... In fact, if I try to apply any framework or android system overlays, I end up in a bootloop
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Nezorflame:
It works on my phone, see screenshot. Using the paid Swift Dark theme which supports even 7.1.1.

My only guess is that the theme you're trying to apply is broken or doesn't support Android 7.1+.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Nezorflame:
I highly recommend adding to the first post something like "ROM should work with Substratum themes but no support will be given" to avoid more questions regarding this in the future.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
Can someone explain something to me?

AOKP stopped since 18 December 2013, then was their latest release. The official website has no new updates, their blogs don´t have updates, nothing. How is this thread based on AOKP 7.1? And how will this rom be on the longer term?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
The official website is out of date. I think the web master had a kid or got busy or something. Doesn't really matter. I think he is going to update it soon. How is this thread based on 7.1? Well that's easy. We merge the code, fix it, add things that we like, ect. Everything you need to see that AOKP is being kept up on is here http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/q/status:merged . It's been there for years and has always been contributed to. You shouldn't need to rely on blogs. Rely on the code. That's all that really matters anyways. ;)
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Okeh:
Thanks for your reply! So this ROM will be updated in the longer term? And it´s still based on CM only right?
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Yes and yes.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bay91:
Going to ask the silly question. Really interested in this ROM and see it's generally stable.

How is the battery life? I'm only interested in stock SoT in comparison with the dreadful OB8 battery.

Similarly im presuming from prior posts that general CM14 kernels are working without concern, I can't see any to note from reading back.

Thanks
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Battery life varies from one to device to the other. We all don't live in the same house, get the same reception, use the same apps, or use the same settings, ect... The list could go on forever. If anyone would try and answer this for you they would be very ignorant to what all is involved with battery life. It's something you just have to use the phone and see how it goes for you. I can get 5-6 hours SOT, well you might only get one. Too many variables are involved.

Kernel is fine.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bay91:
Thanks

Was simply looking for comparison. Loved mother when playing with. Ob8, but the battery drain was just too bad to make it a daily
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
I know what you're looking for. But it's just kind of impossible. All these guys on here could tell you that they get 10 hours of screen on time for example. But you might only get one. The comparison would be irrelevant. ;)

Just make a backup and try it. Takes only a couple minutes.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Nezorflame:
Let me put it this way: this ROM and its kernel are stable so they will not affect your battery life.

The apps you use and the way you use them may vary, but in general I had good results both on latest beta and this ROM.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bay91:
All I needed to hear. Thanks
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SeanHacker:
Don't say I never did anything for you guys. ;)

http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/c/33221/

http://gerrit.aokp.co/#/c/33220/
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dpryor88:
Doesn't matter to me, but I bet this will make a lot of others happy haha. Good stuff, Sean.
[OnePlus 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Bjarne73:
Well, you think alot about people. :) My experience is that it doesn't matter what OP write in the first post. People seems to keep asking the same question over and over again regardless whether its described in the first post or not. But hey, the last bastion is our hope. ?