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[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Did the 6p have the 810? I owned two of them for a short period of times (hardware issues and then gave up entirely).

I've moved to the iPhone 6s about 6 months ago and whenever I go back to my Nexus 6 or Galaxy S6+, I always come back to the iPhone for one main reason - fluidity.

There's something about the iPhone that just "works" better than Android, as a whole. One major thing is the keyboard and the absolute lack of any lag what so ever. I know Android doesn't have too much lag in the keyboard, but there is still some. The keyboard on the iPhone is as if it's just part of the screen, and not an overlaid app, if that makes sense.

Plus, podcasts on Google Play Store are a joke, and Android doesn't have Facetime. They have their new thing called Duo, which I haven't really tried, but Hangouts video calling sucks.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
This phone will be a monumental sales fail. Absolutely no way they gonna sells millions of these, with the starting price of $769.00 for the base model, LOL, not gonna happen.

And then just put it out on one carrier only, and probably the worst evil carrier out there in Verizon. Plus you know it will just sit in some back dark corner in the Verizon store, with none of the sales staff pushing it over the iPhone 7 or Galaxy 7's.

Even Best Buy never actually carries the Nexus phone at those little kiosk displays, you still need to order it online only through bestbuy.com. And I don't see Best Buy truly promoting this phone, and actually having it in stock to pick up and hold and purchase right there on the spot ? Nope.

I'll be shocked if the Pixel XL sells more units than the Motorola Nexus 6, which was a pretty big sales flop itself.

I am no iPhone guy, but this new Pixel phone launch is pissing me off, and I'm sad to see the Nexus line disappear. I may just go with a 7 Plus on JoD @ T-Mobile, and try out iOS 10. At least Apple supports their phone properly.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Speaking of the Nexus line. I just went to google.com/nexus and I could get to the "buy now" button, but then it takes you straight to Pixel...so I don't know what's happening.
[Nexus 6P General] tafo:
regardless the bazels argument, the spec's and the unjustified high price tags.. pixel phone didn't catch my mind... knowing that I usually go for the latest flagship phones..and I shifted to nexus line starting from nexus 5. I'm so disappointed.. I'm keeping the nexus 6p
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
I still use my Nexus 5 and 6 periodically.

For my money, the Nexus 5 is the perfect phone from the aesthetics to the way it feels in the hand. The only thing that would have made it better would have been an AMOLED screen.
[Nexus 6P General] gorman42:
Having now seen the whole package, my answer is a resounding no. I fail to see how these Pixels could be anything but a failure for Google. Maybe the smaller model has a chance, but the XL? No way in hell, IMHO.
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
And here is the 128GB Pixel XL in Canada. You're out of your mind Google.
[Nexus 6P General] gorman42:
The thing that really annoys me it's them going QuickCharge after not adopting it for the last Nexus. That means USB fast chargers are going to keep on being very rare beasts, I'm afraid.
[Nexus 6P General] tafo:
omg i felt I had stroke while seeing the price?? that's really crazy!!!
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
I want to know the type of AMOLED panel being used this time around. Last year we were plagued with that weird red/pink hue across a section of the screen.

I understand why they're charging so much, just look at Samsung and Apple. If the demand is there, the cost will skyrocket. BUT, the real question is whether or not the demand is high enough that the price doesn't matter...like Samsung and Apple.
[Nexus 6P General] stankyou:
This reminded me when the Nexus6 came out with its high pricetag but much worse.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
The only difference was that the Nexus 6 was such a huge improvement over the Nexus 5.
[Nexus 6P General] 98classic:
I've been with apple since I let go of my nexus 6(big mistake). Will that launcher and hidden search bar come to the 6p or is that a pixel only option? I played with the 6p slightly with nougat beta but didn't see it wondering if I should get a used 6p or a pixel xl.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
The Note 7 is a lot cheaper than the Pixel. £120 cheaper than the XL 128gb yet its much more feature packed . Apple were ridiculed by us Google fans for their expensive 7 with lack of features, that's what Google has just given us. Crazy pricing from Google.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Really? I thought the Note 7 was more expensive. Maybe in the US it is.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
£699 for the Note 7 in the UK sim free, £820 for the 128gb XL in the UK
[Nexus 6P General] stankyou:
The leaked Pixel Launcher works on 6P fine if rooted. Once 7.1 hits Nexus6P, we'll know if it will be included on the firmware.

I have a feeling it wont be. We have a Nexus phone not a Pixel. So there's that.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
You can bet we won't get "assistant" either. We'll get Vanilla Nougat only like the V20.
[Nexus 6P General] DualSportDad:
Buy a new on sale 6p. I got mine from Amazon for I think $350 for the 64gb silver. There's no way I'd pay more for the pixel.

They have to be out of their mind to be asking what they are for those phones. Next to the 6p I wouldn't even pick up a pixel next year when they are deeply discounted, and I buy every Nexus phone that comes out. I still currently own a nexus 6, nexus 5x, and the 6p. The only thing I like about the pixel is OIS.
[Nexus 6P General] stankyou:
Isn't the "assistant" just Google Now?

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
I'm not rooted and it's running fine. You have to download the launcher apk as well as the wallpaper changer and it all works just fine, unrooted. Android Police still have both apk files available for download.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/09/12/download-new-rebadged-pixel-launcher/
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
No, don't think so . The Pixel is the "hardware" for it. They mentioned it at the start of the presentation.
[Nexus 6P General] stankyou:
You have to be rooted for google now panel to work. Since the launcher needs to be a system app.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] Sh0X31:
Whats about Android 7.1? Any info about the release date?

Edit:

I remember times where I paid 300€ for the Nexus 5 from LG and it was good hardware for a fair price. Now I have to pay like 869€ for the Pixel & 1000€ for the XL Version. What is so new and amazing that I leave the Nexus 6P with same Software and nearly same power? Maybe next Year I'll buy the XL and Prices from Germany.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
It releases with the Pixel. Who knows when we'll get it. Seems the "Timely updates" have gone. Also, the Pixel is only getting 2years of updates! WTF?!
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
You can easily access Google Now by clicking the G on the search at any time or long pressing the home key.
[Nexus 6P General] tafo:
100%..it was justifiable at that time...hmmm could "pixel" brand name is the major upgrade from the previous phones and justify the price? ???
[Nexus 6P General] ixon2001:
Well I'm extremely dissapointed in Google nobody in the right mind will pay those silly prices I'm certainly not, looks like my 6P will be my last ever google phone will keep it now until it either dies or is no longer supported.
[Nexus 6P General] Ren Hayashi:
Pixel-Level Camera Update?

So they just officially announced the Pixel phones, and endorsed them to have the best image quality on any smartphone to-date. It is my understanding that they are using exactly the same lens as the one on our 6p. Do you think it's possible for them (or the good folks here at XDA) to push an update to make HDR+ as quick as on the Pixel (allegedly)? I love the images our phone takes, but I prefer to keep HDR+ on, and we all know how painfully slow and/or unstable it can be.

On a side note, the Pixel phones are INSANELY EXPENSIVE!!!
[Nexus 6P General] stuff:
The pricing here is insane. Along with exclusivity to Verizon, I can't even get this financed through T-Mobile. I'd prefer to do that over getting a separate credit card financed to Google Play Store purchases. That is over the top.

Guess I'll be waiting quite a while for this. Nexus 6P will still suit me very well.
[Nexus 6P General] stankyou:
Yeah but that's not the only way it was intended to work. To make the pixel launcher work as it was intended to, including the panel swipe, you need root.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] tafo:
wow!! they just removed the nexus 6p and 5x from the google store website!!!

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-google-store-nvidia-shield-vr-headsets-gone/
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
It's not the same lens, it's an updated Sony sensor. The 6P has the Sony IMX 377 whereas the Pixel has the new updated 378 version with OIS. You'll never get the same pictures from the 6P.
[Nexus 6P General] tafo:
I'm not sure but i remember when they announced the nexus 6p last year..many of the audience wondered why they didn't include OIS in it and google gave unjustifiable reason behind that..and today they integrate it in pixel!!!
[Nexus 6P General] pipnmike:
Sad day. For the first time since 2009 when I got the HTC Incredible as my first Android phone, I'm seriously considering going back to the iPhone. 6P was the phone for me until they messed it all up with this whole Nougat rollout mess. Sad...
[Nexus 6P General] Ren Hayashi:
That's sad. I just hope that they could at least fix the speed and stability of the camera app on our 6p.
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
Not really what this thread is about, but so? You can still access Google Now, so who cares how you do it?
[Nexus 6P General] tech_head:
You can always get it directly from Google. They will finance it.

Verizon is not the only to finance it. It's the only carrier.

Wondering about that. I hope they keep inventory for people that might break their phone when they have the extended warranty.
[Nexus 6P General] stuff:
I wrote a very short message, and within it I acknowledged the Google Store financing option, and why I do not want it. (You should read the fine print on it).
[Nexus 6P General] perveeus:
Today - the day Nexus died - and boy do I feel like i was one of Google's 'experiments' in leading up to the ~$900 Pixel.
[Nexus 6P General] r34p3rex:
Nope, not at this price

---------- Post added at 03:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:28 PM ----------

There is no OIS in the pixel

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ras-will-not-optical-image-stabilization-ois/
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
Wow, I didn't realise that. That's completely crazy! Looks like it only has EIS. Another nail in the Pixels coffin!
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
I've got the cash to purchase the new Pixel XL, I got the new phone itch, said F it, let's do it, I went to the Google page, clicked through the options, got it ready to place the order, and then that $769.00 price was just staring me in the face, and I just couldn't pull the trigger, just can't justify to spend $800 on a new phone. Plus I already have the Nexus 6P 64GB and I'm very satisfied with it still, running Pure Nexus ROM.

If the new Pixel XL was similar priced to last years 6P, I'd have pre-ordered it A.S.A.P. at like $550. But $800, I can't do that on principle. That's a very anti-Nexus price for me IMO.
[Nexus 6P General] r34p3rex:
Most underwhelming phone announcement I've seen in recent times
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
You have to be crazy to give out double the price of 6P for an ugly phone with no stereo speakers, and with a just slight upgrade in cpu processing.

It seems like it's the same camera sensor from the 6P, with an addition of a very small CPU designed to help with in-time image processing, and couple of gyro's to help the DIS.

I'd love to see our devs checking the new libs from the Pixel...we might get a SW upgrade of our camera, just like they did with 1080@60.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
OIS was one of the 6Ps downfalls. Im stunned they haven't got it in the Pixel! This phone is worse than the 6P but much, much more expensive!
[Nexus 6P General] bbedward:
Verizon-only, $769 (+ tax)

It's a joke. It's the same price of the iPhone but the iPhone is better in every way - google is not going to do well with this one.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Buying a 6p that is "new" from Amazon probably won't guarantee that it's the latest batch of built devices, will it?
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
The head of their mobile department is the guy that was let-go from Motorola...the guy who was in charge of the Droid RAZR series (not quite popular), and eventually sold them to Google.

They're trying too hard to become Apple, and this is exactly the wrong direction. The One Plus 3 seems more premium at a twice-lower price tag.
[Nexus 6P General] Raiden8816:
So I watched he keynote live. I got excited about a blue colored phone. Then when I went to the pre-order page, the front of the phone is white. Seriously? This isn't a freaking iPhone! Plus, the Pixel XL, in the 'really blue' color does not offer a 128GB option. Keeping my 32GB 6P and just enjoy listing to my music from the cloud!
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
From a business standpoint, Apple is king. They have the best margins out there (cost of build vs price tag). Like I said before, if there is a demand for the Pixel, the price is justified...but there is nothing in the past year that hinted at this desire for an iPhone clone that runs Android. Besides, didn't the HTC A9 completely flop, and wasn't that design borrowed to make the Pixel?
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. This is a definite flop for Google's mobile dept., and I really expect a radical change next year.

Samsung listened to their users for the S7. Google was a company which used to do that, but not anymore. Apple has sheeps, and their iPhone (even both models) is still the #1 single smarpthone model in units sold. They manufacture them the most which cuts down the production costs. They also have their own facilities (bought some of TSMC and Foxconn). Google doesn't.

Really stupid move to sell Motorola, which seems to actually be doing better with the G (1, 2 and 3) and Z series.

I see a big stock flop in Q1 2017 for Google.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Google NEEDS to build their own phone. They're leaving out HTC for some reason, probably to make people think Google actually built the Pixel. I know there was a deal with Huawei (or however it's spelled) that fell through for the 2016 Nexus model due to Google not wanting any manufacturer branding anywhere on the device. That kind of sucks, because I would have liked to see a real successor to the 6p instead of some HTC based slab.

I seriously doubt Google will feel the hit. They have so many other things that drive revenue. Yea, the hardware department may see a dip but nothing too bad overall.

I actually forgot about the Moto Z, but it's just as pricey as the Pixel with no front speakers. The Axon 7 or oneplus 3 are looking really good right about now.
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
Moto Z is actually selling well thru Verizon (something like the Droid RAZR Maxx).

OP3 is awesome, I actually recommend it a lot, but I still find the 6P more premium cause the OP3 performance in real-life is actually not better.

This Pixel XL just makes the consumer buy the iPhone 7 Plus lol :D

They should've never gotten rid of Motorola if they wanted to manufacture their own device. Something what MS did with Nokia (not really a good example but you get my point).
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
I might actually wait for the new Huawei Mate 9 or whatever it's called.
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
Wait for the S8. Looks like it will be made from metal.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
What's the S8?
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
Well I own the Galaxy S7 Edge which I hate to use besides my 6P, so I believe I'm talking about the Galaxy S8:)
[Nexus 6P General] perveeus:
You are saying physically - it's a clone - I can understand that.

But the OS is still the differentiator between the 2 camps.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Ah ok. I have the S6 Edge Plus. I won't get another Samsung device until they ditch the Exynos processor. I want to be rooted and have CM/AOSP.
[Nexus 6P General] paniro187:
Verizon exclusive? It's like Google could give a damn about this phone line. They always manage to mess something up lol
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
You mean the HTC A9 OS? Well yea, I know its different, but the hardware is why I really buy a phone.
[Nexus 6P General] mihovil13:
S8 will be using Qualcomm in all countries. (S7 Edge is mostly using SD820)
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
They did this with the Galaxy Nexus back in 2011 or 12.
[Nexus 6P General] perveeus:
The Android OS.

But to each his own.
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
#Googlefailday
[Nexus 6P General] dutchy716:
RIP Nexus

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/04/google-reportedly-no-plans-future-nexus-products/
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
I just can't do this anymore. This is getting really really stupid. Please someone tell me what constitutes the prices? We all know it doesn't cost anywhere close to that much to make so why continue in this trend? Do they just think that enough people will buy the device? Are we as a society that stupid and have been all this time and purchased whatever they gave us, and are going to give us, that we just hand over all of our money to buy these things? Why the hell is the phone market becoming like the PC market before it crashed? What the hell? WTF?! Am I crazy and I am the only one that is actually getting hurt because this is happening? Of all companies, Google, has literally destroyed what the Nexus line was about. DEVELOPMENT! It was for Development. You got greedy so you make the devices mainstream, then you got even more greedy and you jacked up the prices. Now you're even more greedy and you literally just killed the Nexus line JUST SO you can say your devices are premium. THEY AREN'T F***ing premium when the 6P bends like paper!!!! SERIOUSLY?????? I really wish I could personally contact someone at Google and have a deep and open conversation with them about this.

I am freaking done. Done Done DONE! Suck a **** and die Google. I will ride this Nexus 6P until it's screen bleeds and I get a DIFFERENT device. As for my Project Fi service, I will continue to use it until the 6P dies. After that, I might just go off the grid.

Yes there's a lot of personal feelings in my post, I'm just that type of person.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Confirmed: the Verizon Pixel's bootloader will not be unlockable

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10/04/confirmed-verizon-pixels-bootloader-will-not-unlockable/

Google representative and confirm that Verizon Pixels' bootloaders would not be unlockable.
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
That just made the 6P even more valuable then.
[Nexus 6P General] galaxys:
No Pixel overpriced and outdated toys for me. Not in the same league as the Nexus6 & 6p or the upcoming Mate9, V20, Zen3 Deluxe, etc.!
[Nexus 6P General] AndrasLOHF:
With what Google has done today if my 6P died and I didn't have Nexus Protect, I would be jumping ship to iPhone 7+. The price point of Nexus is what has kept me on android despite all it's flaws. If I was forced to "finance" a phone or pay almost a grand out of pocket(128GB Pixel XL with device protection) why would I choose the product with less features than the competition. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
[Nexus 6P General] iamterence:
So much salt in this thread, lmao. Bring on the Pixels!
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
Its not salt at all.
[Nexus 6P General] iamterence:
Your post was ESPECIALLY salt. You wrote a whole wall of text to scream out your feelings lol.

I for one, am happy to see these phones, and am excited to own one when I'm able to afford one. My 5X will hold me over just fine until then. People are complaining about the price as if there won't be a price drop eventually after release.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Android 7.1 coming to current Nexus devices and Pixel C, will land before the end of 2016 as a dev preview

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...vices-pixel-c-will-land-end-2016-dev-preview/

So let me get this straight, the brand new Pixel phones launch in October with Android 7.1 obviously, but last years top of the line Google phone, the Nexus 6P will get a beta of 7.1 in December, and the final release of 7.1 sometime next year ? WTF Google ? What happened to Nexus devices being so quick to get fast Android updates ? Now just the newest phones get it, and last years devices already have a long wait ?

I am no iPhone fan, but god damn Apple does updates right, The new iPhone 7 launched with iOS 10, and then a crap load of older iPhone's also got the same iOS 10 update, like just one week later.
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
Price drop? A year later after the new one comes? If that is all you can think of to justify it, my post obviously missed it's mark!!!;)
[Nexus 6P General] jonmorris:
Google seems to want to consign the Nexus brand, and perhaps its users, to the history books as quick as possible.

The 6P is the better buy, but good luck getting one. Clearly they didn't all sell out but tonight the Google Store in the UK got rid of all Nexus products, like the rest of the world. Amazon only has third party sellers selling goodness knows what versions. Clove has discontinued it with no stock and it's gone from Carphone Warehouse.

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone wanting to sell the new Pixel phones must agree to stop selling the 5X and 6P immediately.

On the plus side, the second hand value might just have rocketed!
[Nexus 6P General] bjoostema:
I think that while it is a little shady, this has been a genius move on Google's part. I am now under the impression that all these years of developer friendly Nexi were merely a way for them to see the popular features that ROM devs came up with and then polish them as a part of Android. Outside of a few under the hood parts, my favorite parts of stock Android were originally developed and baked into custom Roms, then adopted by Google. It would seem logical that they tracked the popular features and implemented them based on how useful/popular they were. They basically used the Nexus program as a way to gather info on what would make an awesome OS and then got people to innovate features, all without spending a dime. Evil genius haha.
[Nexus 6P General] Ryno77:
I really don't understand all of the *****ing I've been reading.....almost all of it wasn't here so no one take that personally please. Maybe this phone is a tad overpriced, I'll agree with that but it's not hundreds of dollars overpriced. I keep reading posts with people saying they'll buy a note 7 over this, it's a nice phone but it's TouchWiz...it will get laggy. I can't handle laggy so I'd rather have this....that alone is worth a decent amount to me. Also everyone is complaining about no water resistance....I don't need that and I'm not sure why others do. Android has matured to a point where maybe developer handsets are less needed and Google decided to make the next move to a flagship device to compete with Apple and other Android manufacturers. Anyway I'm tempted to get this just to see how it is, I'm sick of this 810 and the inconsistent battery life. I just bought my wife an iPad, set it up for her, it froze twice during the process.....everyone says their devices just work...not true...they work like any other electronic device. I can't stand IOS so I don't think I'll ever go that direction. Anyway this post is all over the place but I think people are overreacting when this may have been the next logical move. $100 cheaper would have been nice and maybe more fitting, I'll agree with that.