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[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
Correct, it seems to be only on CM based roms that there's a switching issue occurring. It definitely works great on all of the AOSP roms that I have tried.
[Nexus 6P General] dakunclear:
I want to buy it but I might wait another year and hopefully they go with a 5.7 screen on next year's model than I will for sure buy it but till than I'll hold on to my 6p
[Nexus 6P General] galaxys:
Interesting compare 6P vs XL and the 6P holds its own per AndroidAuthority here
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
Any reason why Google are underclocking the 821 CPU? It's running at 820 speeds according to this..

https://madeby.google.com/intl/en_uk/phone/specs/

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/821
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
So I guess the camera on the Pixel is the real deal.

https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Pixel-smartphone-camera-review-At-the-top
[Nexus 6P General] Atticustrd:
What did the 6p score? I think the only negative the 6p had was taking multiple shots with HDR+ and video wasn't the best. Is there a huge difference between the pixels camera and the 6p?
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
https://www.dxomark.com/mobiles/google-nexus-6p-review-serious-contender-for-mobile-photography

Nexus 6p got an 84 as opposed to the Pixel's 89 - which is the highest rating for any camera phone.

The Galaxy s7 got an 88, by the way.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
84 even with terrible video shake. I don't trust DxO, they said the video has the jello effect which is known to EIS. OIS is always better than EIS.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Regardless of whatever their damn score is, I don't care. I'm never going to attempt professional photography and I'd never be interested in capturing full resolution (max megapixels) photos. I use my camera for pictures of my family or of something I need to remember without having to write it down.

I don't need something super crazy to do those things. Plus, if I'm in a low light area, I'll turn on the damn lights.

I have an iPhone 6s Plus, Galaxy S6 Edge Plus and Nexus 6...the Galaxy is the best camera out of these three. So, even if something is on par with that device, I'm good with it.
[Nexus 6P General] B3501:
I use a DSLR for photography, a smartphone camera will never ever match up to it.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Of course a DSLR will trump any phone camera, but when I'm out an about I won't have a camera around my neck. Like I said, I don't find the use in a really great phone camera.
[Nexus 6P General] pahlerc1:
So I have been rooting phones for a while now, but for some reason it took me a while to jump on the Nexus train, but when I finally did I went all in and got the 6P with 128gb and joined Project Fi.. Couldn't be any happier and was excited to see what was in store for this year. I saw the pre-order page went up, loaded up the Pixel XL with 128gb and boom saw the $850 + tax and was like damn.. I don't know if this is worth it.. Compared specs and then thought about it.. Moments later had to close the page, couldn't justify spending that much on a "Nexus" with a different name but with an increase in price comparable to a Samsung or Apple product.. Don't like the road Google is heading, but it looks like they will close the source in future years and try to be an Apple competitor and whatnot... Just my opinions
[Nexus 6P General] dakunclear:
I agree with your point and his as I have a DSLR but I agree with you that your not always going to have your camera on you, do a phone is going to have to do. As any pro would tell you, the best camera is the camera on you.
[Nexus 6P General] spotmark:
When/if I buy a used Pixel XL, it will most certainly be a Google one, and not a Verizon one. Verizon is going to f*** this phone up just like the GNex. Not that the GNex was very good by itself, but Verizon made it worse.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/1...52d5&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

https://9to5google.com/2016/10/06/g...ut-google-will-still-manage-security-updates/

Bloatware and system updates. Google is going to regret this move.
[Nexus 6P General] Lepa79:
Getting the phone into VZ store is a way to advertise nothing more. Ordinary consumers don't care about fast updates. They want a phone to use and VZ stores is a good place to grab users like that. Pixel phones sold at VZ are not for guys like you and me on XDA forums. And trust me, we are the minority not the majority.
[Nexus 6P General] gekkehenkie11:
5.5" is just too small and I'm amazed they've made such a huge bezels (again). So, no, not 'upgrading'. Hate to say it but I'm probably going back to Samsung if the S8 really comes with a bezel-less 4k screen as the rumours are. That's innovation.
[Nexus 6P General] istperson:
I would really like to see a Pixel (XL) tear down, because I'm sure the bezel parts are not empty. It has a large camera sensor, laser focus, it still has the 3.5mm jack, and a rather big battery. It all takes space. I might be proven wrong, but I'm sure it wasn't the "who can build a bigger frame around the screen" race...
[Nexus 6P General] murso74:
To small lol
[Nexus 6P General] funcrusher:
Yep, the 128GB XL when it's back in stock.
[Nexus 6P General] troyd28:
5.5 inch screen lol I'll probably get it for my baby sister because I need a TV screen in my pocket ??
[Nexus 6P General] wtherrell:
Yes, too small!

I use my device a lot for Google maps navigation. Even with the 6" screen of my N6 the information on the screen is just a tad small to read at a quick glance from the driver's seat. And the N6 is not too large to use for me for phone, messages, emails, etc.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Well, Then: Verizon Says It’s Pixel Phones Will Get Updates When Google’s Do!

Well, Then: Verizon Says It's Pixel Phones Will Get Updates When Google's Do! | Droid Life

Verizon also said that “all operating system and security updates to the Pixel devices will happen in partnership with Google,” but maybe most importantly, that “when Google releases an update, Verizon phones will receive the same update at the same time. (much like iOS updates).” This is not a joke. Verizon will treat the Pixel phones just like it does iOS updates, in a way, by allowing the Verizon Pixel phones to get updates immediately when Google releases them.

Update 2:

Google agrees! The company told Ars "OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."

Update: Verizon says its Pixels will get updates at the same time as Google’s
[Nexus 6P General] cswithxda:
The reply is a little late. But why does it "look like" Google is closing the source? As far as we know Pixel still has unlockable bootloader if it's not from Verizon. What made you (and a lot others that I had read on the net) think everything will be "closed" up in the future?
[Nexus 6P General] pahlerc1:
Pixel def has a unlockable BL.. it has been confirmed.. This was just a thought as it seemed this was the direction Google was going.. I pre-ordered a Pixel about a week ago and can't wait to get it! Being a Project Fi user, I wanted to get the new and re-branded Nexus haha
[Nexus 6P General] cswithxda:
Ah, congratulations. I didn't jump this time although the smaller pixel is really tempting. If only it was $100 cheaper!
[Nexus 6P General] pahlerc1:
Yeah I was skeptical about it but the Google financing got me to jump on it.. and sold my 6P on swappa for about $450, so I figured it would be worth it.. Looking forward to having a slightly smaller phone this go around!
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
My wife is getting me one. :(

I really don't want to spend that much money on a phone that doesn't do anything beyond what my broken 6P does already.....while being broken. :rolleyes: I'm not supposed to know I'm getting it, lol.:silly:
[Nexus 6P General] dakunclear:
To bad Google financing is only available in the states or I might consider getting one
[Nexus 6P General] got2best:
Is the daily user experience suppose to be any different than stock android on another device? Like the 6p? .. could constitute the price increase. But if it's still stock Android that has glitches every now and then idk if you can charge the price for a phone and have it be successful.
[Nexus 6P General] DualSportDad:
Go read the terms, you might not.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Nope. The selling point or price increase was google assistant exclusive to Pixel. But I am using google assistant on my 6P. I see no reason to upgrade as Pixel camera app also works on 6P. The improved EIS works fine on 6P. Just as well as the sample vids from reviews of Pixel I saw. I don't see any reason to upgrade as long as these mods continue to work for 6P.

If google managed to really lock down the "exclusive" camera and assistant to Pixel... Then maybe.
[Nexus 6P General] Jammol:
Really, freaking OkayGoogle(really is just OkayGoogle with extra strings) is the reason for the price increase? They must be smoking something. I have been using it on my 6P and there really isn't much that it does more than the regular OkayGoogle with the exception of sounding more human, and a few extra words.

I can still set a calendar, alarm, reminders, search for stuff online and have her read it, open apps, turn on the dang flashlight, and on and on etc etc. I just don't see the reason to set a price that high other than to compete with Apple for their user base.
[Nexus 6P General] Don_Perrignon:
OK. Having seen reviews of this phone. I'll take away some of the things I said.

Pricing is passable. If they're trying to get to more people, that marketing and whatnot comes at some expense.

EIOS they're using actually works. Enough said.

Design. Still bad. It's not completely ugly, but it's not original or inspiring. The glass plate is bad. I get it helps with reception, but so would have a better design.

I would have like a 5.7 in. screen. 5.5 is minimum.

Lack of front facing speakers is preventing me from buying the phone. No reason at all they should have not included them. No reason.
[Nexus 6P General] chris.k00:
Factory images for Pixel are now available.

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images

Maybe someone can port the whole system to Nexus
[Nexus 6P General] jonmorris:
You pretty much get everything with the 7.1.1 beta for the 6P. I really don't get why it's beta on the 6P, and assume it's just because they couldn't release it earlier for testing as they wouldn't want to undermine the Pixel launch.

I'm getting an XL to play with tomorrow and will do some comparisons against my 6P. I used one in a store yesterday and it's nice (needs a case though - damn the back is ugly, and we took a while to get used to the 6P!) with a few, and just a few, benefits like VoLTE, Cat 12 LTE (my network now has Cat 9, so I will actually see an improvement) and, erm, well that's about it - bar the slightly better camera.

It's odd that many reviewers have mentioned HDR+ on the Pixel as if it's brand new, forgetting that the 6P and 5X, heck even the Nexus 5 had it. It makes you wonder how they're able to say why it's worth the extra money over a 6P when many obviously haven't used one, or certainly not recently.
[Nexus 6P General] cipsaz:
I am sure the Pixel is a nice phone. But that $800 price tag.. Sorry so say, but I'll pass since my $300 6p does a great job.. I think I am done with the stock Android.

I will buy the HTC 10 when I see the deal I like, if not the S8 is around the corner anyways. It's been a great run.
[Nexus 6P General] EternalAndroid:
Go for the 10.
[Nexus 6P General] Atticustrd:
Would like to get the pixel. So I decided to check out Verizon. I use sprint and was told putting my sim wouldn't work. I did like the pixel, felt great in hand. But is it worth the $800 price tag? I really don't think so. Nothing wowed me to make a purchase.
[Nexus 6P General] Shahaed:
The Pixel doesn't look good, is expensive, and doesn't have any groundbreaking hardware features. For that price you can get iphone7 or galaxy7 which are waterproof, top of the line, good looking phones.

HTC has screwed me multiples times, and their phones never seem that good. So I'm done with them.
[Nexus 6P General] nrage23:
I got a Pixel XL 128gb. I still have my 6p. The 6p is a great phone. The Pixel XL is the most well built phone I have used. I have used a lot of phones. It way to early to say but it may well be the best phone I have used. The camera is amazing and super fast. The phone itself is the smoothest I have used. No lag or stutter for any reason. I really like using the fingerprint scanner to open notifications. It is the same price as the iPhone 7 and if the iPhone is worth the money then the Pixel XL is also.
[Nexus 6P General] rob219:
for the price im not buying it. no water proofing. and to dev on the phone would kill android pay. for the price it shoukd at least have water proofing and great speakers along with easy bk unlock and root. and to go above and beyond the same priced phones that offer a bit more (ap and sm pay....when stock) i think google should have found a way to let people that unlock the bl and root to still use android pay in a secure way like a virtual machine that runs just android pay on demand. also even thiugh samsung woukd probly sue....google should invent a mst payment system that eliminates or compliments the nfc only payment sytem that really isnt used as much as advertised or youtube videos say unless you in a major city liie new york or something. so mst payments and running secure apps in a virtual machine on demand while have bl unlocked and rooted would definetly make me buy it.
[Nexus 6P General] nrage23:
Please use punctuation. If you want to use Android pay being rooted in any way is a bad idea. It makes losing your card data very easy. Google does not release or develop software just so people can have root. Root has always come from developers after release as it will for the Pixel. Android 7.1 has a different system setup but TWPR is being worked on for it currently.
[Nexus 6P General] istperson:
On any phone.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Works on 6P too, just install the camera app. And the camera app is faster. The only difference between 6P and Pixel I could find is the upgrade to 821 SOC and the camera sensor is 1 generation newer, but it's in the same class. Google Assistant is not worth the extra $400.

The rave reviews I've read so far have been rubbish. Just desperate attempts by the Android fanboys to trying to convince others Google has finally produced a phone as nice as an iPhone. That's all it is, desperate attempt to convince iPhone users Android is good.
[Nexus 6P General] wtherrell:
Google assistant is voice only. I don't want everyone around to overhear what I am asking. Prefer to type my queries.
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
Exactly. I really don't see the big deal. Google Now allows you to basically use your voice the same way right now anyway. But really, I don't like using my voice when I'm out in public. Perhaps in my car, but I can do that with OK Google (Google Now) right now. Anyone talking to their phone in public looks like an idiot if you ask me. I just don't see where you would use this voice assistant all the time? Sitting in a coffee shop around other people? Yeah, that won't look or sound stupid at all. Not to mention everyone knows your business then.

Just don't get the fascination at all.
[Nexus 6P General] Nitemare3219:
They're not rubbish reviews. I have used Android since 1.0 - the Pixel is the best Android phone ever produced from a day-to-day, enjoyable-to-use, iPhone-like perspective.

Other OEM's (LG, Samsung, etc.) pack their phones with more features, yes. But none of them really come close to the fluidity of Google with the Nexus phones. The Pixel is a step beyond this. It is incredible. My 6P would have frequent slowdowns due to getting warm (SD 810 problem, obviously), but the Pixel is just fast... blazing fast. The leg up that the iPhone had is gone for the most part. Yeah, it can do intensive tasks like loading games faster due to that awesome A10 chip, but for daily use, they are now equal.

The camera is a HUGE improvement. I was never disappointed with photo quality on the 6P, but it was a pain in the ass to shoot with. HDR+ is slow and made me feel like I needed perfectly steady hands to get a clear shot off. Autofocus was really slow sometimes. This is no longer the case. The Pixels focus almost as fast as the S7/Note7 which is incredible. The photo quality is improved, and the speed of the app itself and taking photos makes a dramatic difference in taking photos.

The display is brighter, at least without the manual kernel boost on the 6P (we'll see if the Pixels can do this as well), and the touchscreen is incredibly responsive. This again adds up to that iPhone level fluidity. I've never owned an iPhone, but my girlfriend has the iPhone 7 right now. I don't like much about it, but the quickness it has in basic usage is something I had long desired from my Samsung devices and even my Nexus 6P - this is no longer the case. The Pixel is just as fast. And yes, the display is slightly smaller and has useless bezels, but the DPI between the 6P and the Pixel XL is the exact same. You get no additional content on the 6P, things are just slightly larger in physical size.

The speaker on the Pixel XL is pretty good... obviously not as satisfying as the 6P, but that is obvious.

The fingerprint reader on the Pixel is dramatically better than the 6P. By today's standards, the 6P is now slow. It reads basically 100% of the time, but it is slow. The Pixel reads just as well, and is 2x as fast. Don't say this doesn't matter, because it absolutely does. You unlock your phone hundreds of times a day if you use it a lot. Getting the unlock process down 100% is crucial to user experience.

I don't regret buying this phone for a second. I was a little skpetical if it would be worth the asking price over my 6P, but it absolutely is. Anyone who says otherwise obviously hasn't used the phone.

EDIT: I also read that the new Pixel camera app was not 100% functional on the 6P with things such as HDR+... so watch out.
[Nexus 6P General] Raistlin1:
I regret not ordering the Pixel XL in black when it was available during the pre sale. I was waiting to see some real reviews and if not good I was going to get the Note 7. Well note 7 started exploding and the XL in black is out of stock.

I like my 6P but it is a little too large for my liking, during use my battery drains extremely fast (standby time is awesome), I have to reboot it often and camera app is a little annoying when turning the phone.
[Nexus 6P General] xxNiradxx:
The pixel xl is so overpriced. I hope Google learns their lesson since no one will pay that kind of money for such an incremental upgrade over the 6p. The pixel xl specs are literally going to look like dog poo in a few months when phones like the one plus 4 come with the latest snap dragon 830, 4k screen, 8gb ram, 22MP camera and cost HALF the price. Im done with Google trying to be like Apple!
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
Not at that wacky price. I was going to grab a note 7, but since I like my house to not burn down, I'm going with a v20 instead. Great camera, amazing DAC, no burn in and a bunch of little extras. It can also pass a bend test.
[Nexus 6P General] istperson:
You mean the the Pixels could have been even more sold out? ;)

To me it was the same with 6P, it was way too expensive, and totally not worth the upgrade over the N6. So I bought a Nexus 6 for less than the half price of the 6P. And when I bought the 6P this year to have a device as my daily phone and the other as a work device. Only I'm not making it into a first world problem.
[Nexus 6P General] Johnny Wong:
Agreed, Android phones doesn't hold their value and I expect the Pixel XL to be in the $400 range by this time next year. But I don't plan on getting a new phone until something compelling comes out. Got this 64gb version brand new from Amazon for $375 on cyber Monday. The Pixel might be selling well now but enthusiasm will die down very quickly. I would get an iPhone over it any day of the week especially knowing how aggressive Google is at trying to lock down their phones. I actually like the convenience of Android and Apple Pay. My 6P has become just about as boring as my wife's iPhone 6S at this point except with worse battery life. 7.1.1 is a huge improvement though. I think the 6P is the best bang for the buck when you weigh everything in.
[Nexus 6P General] opasha:
Anyone considering the Note 7? My buying the Nexus 6p was due to my LG G4 failing due to hardware defect (the big article discussed of the infinite bootloops). It was sent in for repairs and fixed, but I've been using the Nexus 6p for almost 2 months now and absolutely love it; I'm finally back to rooting with actual custom roms and kernels. My rooting was very limited on the LG G4 being stuck to AT&T. If I buy the Note 7, it will be the T-Mobile version because that community always unlocks and gets complete root access from what I have seen in my last 2 AT&T phones. I've had all versions of the Note except the Note 5 (chose the LG G4 before it was released).

Any thoughts from anyone in the same boat is greatly appreciated. If the Marlin is 5.5", I am definitely ignoring that phone. I much prefer the larger screen that the 6p and Note 7 have. I miss having an SD card slot for larger external storage, which is why I went for the larger 128gb version of the 6p.

The thing I really miss about my G4 was the amazing camera. My buddy just got the S7 Edge, and the camera is pretty close to that level.
[Nexus 6P General] hello00:
The note 7 will cost you about $800 and for me it aint worth it..the s7 edge has a huge system battery drain and it would sometimes stutters..and it has 4gig of ram..the only thing i like about the phone is the camera and the water resistant is bs because your speakers will either stop working and if you are lucky, it will barely work..the phone would not read the exact battery percentage..if you like tw go ahead, if you dont, stay away from it as you will never have an aosp rom on your note 7
[Nexus 6P General] jayesh:
Sincerely speaking no. I have not got my full value out of the 6p.
[Nexus 6P General] stennett:
I've recently gone back to my Nexus 5 while I returned my Nexus 6P due to a loose USB port. I've always upgraded my Nexus every year since the Nexus S (apart from the 6). Now I'm stuck, sell my new Nexus 6P for maximum return and run with the 5 until the 2016 nexus comes out or keep the 6P for another year. The rumoured specs are making me think, save my money and keep the 6P for another year.
[Nexus 6P General] lobo4806:
I'm going with Sailfish. I like amoled, but want 5x size as opposed to larger. I'm hoping Sailfish will be perfect for me.
[Nexus 6P General] bryce850:
No it looks like a step back from the 6p and the og 6 if you ask me smaller screen is a deal breaker for me as is the non front facing speakers.
[Nexus 6P General] stevemw:
No. Screen size is unacceptable.
[Nexus 6P General] DROIDESP:
Yes. If the rumors are true and HTC is building the new Nexus, I'm in. I would prefer a slightly smaller screen to my 6P, I have a pixel C if I want a bigger screen android experience. I could careless if it actually has downward facing speakers, I use headphones for good sound quality along with a DAC/Amp and Klipsch X20's.

I have loved previous HTC devices including my old DNA which for some reason (Maybe the old beats audio) was the best sounding smartphone I ever had with headphones (I still have it and use it). I'll keep my 6P or give it to a family member, nothing wrong with it, actually, I love it, best all around performer to date. My device is crucial to my day to day work, I upgrade every year and give it to a family as a sweet hand-me-down.
[Nexus 6P General] akarol:
Just because of the speakers, nope.
[Nexus 6P General] apallohadas:
If the screen size has gone backwards, no.
[Nexus 6P General] borisb:
Really? Is 5.5 vs 5.7 that bad?
[Nexus 6P General] TheIgster:
Yes. Why did they go smaller? 5.7 is an awesome size. I had an Ascend Mate 2 with 6.1 and it was great. I would prefer a larger screen. 5.5 is going in the wrong direction IMO.
[Nexus 6P General] borisb:
Well. The 6 was 6" and we went to 5.7 [emoji12]