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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freecall:
Hallo Jahnotto,

still a problem with sending the lcation in V 1.0 on my HTC Tyt II.

- installed V1.0 by normal WM 6 installation (which should remove previous version ) , Location still freeze when generating Map

- deinstalled V1 and deleted th FFF program directory manual

- installed V1

and voila for the first time I got the message " short link can not generated , long link send instead " and a e-mail window .. so far so good.

- next time I wanted to test FFF again ... freeze in generating map step again

- manual re-install did not help this time at all .. even after delete the FFF directory still freeze in "generating Map "

any idea ???

Would love to use this feature !!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jahnotto:
Hello,

could you please send me the ffflog.txt file that is generated in the application directory? It will help me to see where it hangs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jahnotto:
Heads up: Version 1.0.1 is now available!

- Fixed bug with accented characters in owner name

- Fixed freeze that sometimes occured when using the scrollwheel or Dpad
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PsychodelEKS:
How about closing the FFF, after I've made my choice (selected the action to perform)? As now I have to manually close it after I've sent an sms for example... Also, Send MMS in addition would be great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mensis:
wow, simply wow. the search feature is one of the best i have seen.

it's great that it searches both name and surname too.

got a couple of wishes for it though:

* an easier way to scroll around the list.

*some information about the contact

*contacts picture
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
I vote on this one too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] srmz:
After using the purchased version of FFF for a few days I can only say that this is one of the best programs I have ever installed. Just a few wishes though:

1) As already mentioned "Self Closing" is required. For example I search for a contact inside FFF and then make a call. Now when I end the call I am taken back to the Today Screen but FFF is still active in the background.

2) Sometimes a contact has more than 1 Mobile Number and we are forced to use another field to enter this second Mobile Number. In FFF can we have the "Send Message" option against all numbers entered rather than just the Mobile Number field.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
Whats the difference between the free and commercial version?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] galenmd:
Self closing needs to be an option. I have 3,000 contacts. It takes fff 16 seconds to load. If I am to use this, I would rather keep it running in the backround (unless fff can learn to save the contact info).

I have not decided to keep this program yet. While I think it's great, it is much slower than using the built-in contact manager. Maybe that's because of the large number of contacts I have (I did manage to purge a few hundred the other day, but this wasn't enough to make a diff).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dgduris:
I have 2400 contacts and must say that fff is certainly as fast as the inbuilt CM...and safer when I am driving. :)

You might check to make sure that the inbuilt app as closed as well as anything else that might be accessing the dBase...like Pocket Informant or email/ messaging.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freecall:
Hello Jahnotto,

I tried V 1.01 and still the same problem :

- install FFF fresh (after deinstalll and delete all old files)

- send map link per mail/ SMS works

- softrest HTC Tytn II

- FFF hangs again in the "generating map", TYTN II needs a softrest

here is the new FFF log file :

[15:18:12]	**** Generating map

[15:18:12]	Creating connmgr connection

[15:18:12]	Creating google map URLs

[15:18:12]	Shortening URL

[15:18:12]	Shortening...

[15:18:12]	Init'ing winsocket

[15:18:12]	Querying DNS

[15:18:17]	Creating socket

[15:18:17]	Connecting to shorturl service

[15:18:18]	Sending query string

[15:18:18]	Selecting response

[15:18:33]	Updating dialog

[15:18:33]	---Done.

[15:31:51]	**** Generating map

[15:31:51]	Creating connmgr connection

[15:31:51]	Creating google map URLs

[15:31:51]	Shortening URL

[15:31:51]	Shortening...

[15:31:51]	Init'ing winsocket

[15:31:51]	Querying DNS

[15:31:52]	Creating socket

[15:31:52]	Connecting to shorturl service

[15:31:52]	Sending query string

[15:31:53]	Selecting response

[15:32:7]	Updating dialog

[15:32:8]	---Done.

[9:43:2]	**** Generating map

[9:43:2]	Creating connmgr connection

[9:43:2]	Creating google map URLs

[9:43:2]	Shortening URL

[9:43:2]	Shortening...

[9:43:3]	Init'ing winsocket

[9:43:3]	Querying DNS

[9:43:3]	Creating socket

[9:43:3]	Connecting to shorturl service

[9:43:4]	Sending query string

[9:43:4]	Selecting response

[9:43:10]	Receiving response
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jahnotto:
Thanks. That's very useful. I'll have a look on it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zhcip:
Many Thanks for this greet application....

I have different suggestion or requests...

1. Is there possible to made the telephone numbers on the list view bigger...?

it is realy hard to read it....

2. Is there also possible to made the icons and phone numbers on the detail view bigger...?

Many thanks again... Wonderfull application.... :)

Kind regards

ZHCIP
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bderuosi:
Possible suggestions

Hey amazing app. im not sure if this has been suggested since i didn't want to read all 42 pages of posts. Is there any way to have the contact list scroll like the iphone or icontact apps out there. and to go along with that make the key board hideable just for people that don't want to search for contacts at the start of the list. again great app these would just make it cover everything anyone would want.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
It does scroll, not quite like the iPhone, but easily enough. slide your finger on the right side of the contacts list up and down, when you have a view with lots of contacts (like the initial start up list). It scrolls not "like you are dragging the screen a la iPhone", but "like you are dragging the tiny scrollbar on the right". So drag down and it will go thru the list. And note that you don't have to actually drag the small scroll bar. anywhere in the rightmost 25% of the screen should do just fine. so, it to is "Finger Friendly"...

As for hiding the keyboard, not a bad suggestion, but its up to the author...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
Im surprised by the speed (or lack thereof) you mention. The native contacts app is much slower IMO and experience. It takes roughtly half if not less time to load my 500 contacts in FFF than it does in the native app.

I agree self closing should be an option if implemented, but FFF should not be slower than the native app in startup I think. As mentioend above, make sure you don't have any other contact apps open...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johanromijn:
If you like "iPhone-scrolling" in your contact list try PocketCM. You can't have everything into one application.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shaolinmastr:
I removed FFF and now when i go to contacts i get (FFF file cannot be opened, not signed with trusted certificate.) i deleted all files i could find. any suggestions. thx I might end up buying FFF. not sure yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jimflp:
I ahd the certificates problem with one of the HTC apps, if you installed it to your additional memory card try installing it to the phones internal memory.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jahnotto:
Try to install it again, go to Settings and un-check the "set as default contact manager" checkbox. Then uninstall again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shaolinmastr:
I no longer use FFF. i removed the program and get the eror.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shaolinmastr:
i tried and it worked after a couple soft resets. thx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
johnotto...I saw your thread over in the Dev section here and was curious...did you ever even offer to give free registered copies to all the people who helped you debug this program?

$15...come on...it just displays contacts. I was a little taken back after I loaded up 1.0 and I just got a warning I only had a few days left.

I'm sure glad I kept the latest beta cab installer...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TiltedAz:
Yea, I'll let it expire as well. For me, there isn't enough to warrant $15.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rebecker:
I paid the $15 mainly because I'd like to support the development of a similar application that I can use to type messages. FFF just plain works the way a WM app should. I've p*ssed away a lot more money on mediocre apps in the past. I figure I'm investing in future development.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] srmz:
I have apurchased version of FFF. I too feel the same way. If we do not invest and support the developers then good 3rd party applications will cease to exist and the exclusivity of the windows mobile platform which is from the availability of the huge selection of this software will lost.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] widu13:
Jahn always wanted this to be free but found a lot of his time was being invested. Bearing in mind that the vast majority of the development took place before he decided to make this a pay app, I think $10 would be better priced, but worthy of the fee nonetheless.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
I too have the free version (beta) but will definitely buy the shareware version for the above mentioned reasons.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
I'm not against supporting developers in any way...without them our hardware would be pretty useless.

This is also a good idea/application. What I don't like is that for over a month myself and countless others tried each one of the ****ty beta versions and gave feedback as he refined it.

The first couple versions used to lock up randomly. I would say half of the buttons and feature ideas came from people on this thread that helped mold this into what it is now. Sure...his time is valuable, but what about the time of all the testers who loaded the app up, tried all the functions and then were sending him debug logs.

You seriously don't feel misled? I do. Never in the beginning was it mentioned(unless I completely missed it) that all of our efforts in testing were going to be for a commercial app and that we weren't even going to get rewarded for our time. I just think this whole thing is shady since where better to have your test bed then all of the folks at xda with their vast diversity of devices.

Oh well, I'll just be laughing as my little jab back every time I use the beta and if anyone wants it feel free to PM me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bellfazar:
I think more importantly, the thread for FFF in the Development and Hacking forum was closed because XDA-Developers has a policy of not providing free advertising to developers who sell their software. XDA is not your tech support site. If you want to provide FFF free of charge then feel free to have a thread where you can listen to the problems users are having, but if you're making money off of the software, then XDA just becomes your tech support service and I can damn well guarantee that they don't want to do that for you.

So make that choice. Either make FFF free and continue to post here about it or keep it commercial software and find another place for your tech support.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lidberg:
I have been reading this thread since day one and until the developer actually decided to start charging for it, I never believed that he _intended_ to make it a commercial app.

He just posted up saying, "here's a cool little app I wrote, check it out". It ballooned from there, gaining immense support from the users here. I don't think he expected to see the high level of interest that it has.

With that said, I can't really blame him for wanting to charge for it, especially considering the time he has spent on it. If that's what he wants to do, great. If not, then I look forward to seeing more free version. I have almost every version that was posted here and there's nothing stopping me from keeping on using the free one.

You guys are entitled to your opinions, but personally, I would hate to see guys like this who develop software just for the fun of it get scared and pissed off cuz a few users feel that they're "entitled" to free support for a free app. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's as simple as that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbritten:
does anyone have the beta 4 version they'd be willing to share, pm me please
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MadKer:
I like it, it's just that it's a bit expensive for what it does... When you see Wisbar Advance at 9.99$, it's way different...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
I'm not trying to scare away developers...I'm trying to let it be known that it's not OK to mislead people who have helped.

His own web page mentions nothing about this being a demo/trial version on the download page. No mention of it switching to a "paid" version in any of the release notes.

http://www.jotto.no/fff/download.html

Page 1 of this thread announcing 1.0

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=340227

NO mention that you have to pay for this...again.

You know what...maybe he didn't mean for this to take off and if that's the case then you need to take your losses and give people ample warning that if they come and grab the newest realease then they will then be on a demo version.

Most people don't keep all of the CAB files, some do, but most casual-slightly advanced users don't. I didn't keep it on purpose, it was an accident. I had thought "why would I need to keep the old cab when I'm just putting 1.0 on, no big deal since it's free". Now fast forward 20 days and it's a good morning to you nag screen.

That is why I will happily reply to any and all PM's with a link to get the beta 4, which was so graciously given to me today by another member which I won't name.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nm8:
for those interested, I have downloaded a cracked version of v1.01. PM me if you are interested.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
i dont condone warez...the beta version is freely available though
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lidberg:
That's pretty low class, especially in this thread. You need to delete your post or edit it. We don't discuss warez on this forum.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rebecker:
I also find this quite disturbing. Because you can 'steal' the software, you have a right to it?:confused: If it's not worth what the author asks, then don't use it. Do you steal a car if you have access to it??? I doubt it. If the BMW dealer wants $50K and you don't feel it's worth it, do you buy a stolen car? Again, I doubt it. Stealing is stealing; period.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] taguapire:
You are right my friend, if the author were a little bit more sincere, about the project has a commercial goal, the people maybe, less in quantity, could help to develop this porject. BUT... from egining the author said NOTHING about his intentions with the program.

I can feel as he used us, then he is eraning some money for his work, he deserve his money like all people involved in this thread deserves his money too. You know how much cost a dedicated beta tester resources?

Good job laying around...

Taguapire
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
This is absolutely ridiculous.

No, I dont feel misled myself. I expect to pay for good stuff. I dont' feel entitled to anything more. He never said it would or would not be free forever. If you assumed it might be free forever, that's your mistake. And he said back on 11/17 that he might need to move to a commercial model since he was spending much more time on it than he planned to.

The claim about "half of the buttons and features" is exaggerated IMO. Maybe in number, but certainly not in significance. The 3 primary features of the app:

1. The DMWYT keyboard (i forget the exact name at the moment :))

2. The GPS integration for SMS'ng location

3. That is very small and lightning fast

were completely from his doing. Changes re: button placement and scrolling were made upon suggestion, but the bulk of my $15 were going for the main 3 items above. The buttons and UI changes are nice, but by no means are they what really makes this app unique.

You can choose to continue to use the beta. You are entitled to that since it was free, and for the most part, working. You can think of that as your reward for your input if you choose, I suppose. It works fine for the most part. I purchased to thank the guy for his time, and hope he creates a keyboard based on this as well.

BTW, there are PLENTY of COMMERCIAL apps discussed here, and in thpose discussions, technical assistance is included.

You can feel cheated or abused or misled or whatever. Personally, I don't see how anyone could. But that's your prerogative. But there are MANY other people here who DO NOT FEEL that way, and would like this guy to continue to improve his product, solicit our feedback, and provide assistance HERE.

If a MOD tells him to move on, then I guess he would have to, and those of us who like his stuff would along with him. But then they would need to shut down many other threads for the same reasons. Otherwise it would be extremely hypocritical of them.

Geezus people. You don't like the product? Don't buy it. You don't like the guy? Don't buy the product, use the free beta. But leave the dude alone. And leave us who like the product alone. He's created a unique app that many think is awesome. And we would like to continue to use the program and discuss it here. No one is forcing you to buy it, use it, or follow this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
By the way, the thread was closed NOT because of it was free advertising, but because of the way the thread evolved into just trashing the author and people defending him.

I PM'd the mod who did so and that was the explanation he gave me. Otherwise, this thread should also be locked. As it is commercial software also: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=349264

But it remains open. And in that other discussion, someone said "the author didn't open that one". Like that makes sense. So, one of our own writes something and opens a discussion on it, that's not OK. But we'll allow "inadvertent" advertising for an app from a faceless company that doesn't contribute to the community here.

Again, if some of you really feel misled, that's unfortunate, and I can't help with that. But some of us do like the program. Just ignore this thread and let us have our discussion cuz we still do like it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
I never attacked the author...I stated that I didn't like how he was conducting business. I also never targeted any users so stop your crying about "leaving us alone".

The same can be said for you...ignore what I have to say and continue using your overpriced software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nm8:
Say what you want, and I dont care what you think of me.

i just feel sorry for those people who wasted their time and effort and contributed to the development of the software and later found out they have to pay for the final release of the software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
Price is in the eye of the beholder. I consider it among the best $15 I've spent on WM software. The only thing I use more are S2U2 and PCM Keyboard. In both cases, I donated more than $15 for those. Cuz again, I like to pay for good software. Perhaps being an IT guy, I have an appreciation for good development.

Ha, I hope you get the ban you so deserve for that attitude. You say the developer didn't say he would charge (though he actually did on 11/17). The developer never said it would be free forever either. Why did you assume it would be? Who's fault is it for assuming it? You should look in the mirror for that answer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
You're right, it is all perspective. I just think this whole thing could have been handled better and I've said my peace. I too am in IT and do appreciate good software and don't mind paying for it at all.

It may have been better to keep the current version with the very basic of features for free (since that was original idea). No support or future updates. Then, carry on with feature upgrades for the licensed users as well as support. Oh well I guess :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jahnotto:
Wow, I didn't believe that my little application would stir up so much fuss :D

Let me clarify a few things.

1) The intention when I started developing FFF and made the first posting was not to make a commercial application. However, after spending far more time than expected, I decided to charge a little sum for it. I don't expect to get rich, but at least I can buy my wife a good dinner at a restaurant after spending so much time in front of my PC!

If anyone feel mislead and thinks that I have fooled them, I'm sorry for that. However, I stated a long time ago in this thread - several times - that I considered making into shareware due to all the work involved. If you had read through the tread, you would have seen it. It was no secret.

2) I have got a lot of good ideas and bug reports from happy users. Those who have been most eager to give be feedback have got free licenses. I would love to pay them a heap of bucks for their efforts, but I'm not a multi-billion software company.

If anyone feels that they deserve one, let me know. I may simply have overlooked you.

3) If you can't afford the $15, don't buy it. But please stop whining.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freecall:
Hello Jahnotto,

as you know I like your application and would buy it happily .

But I never heard back from you on the problems and the log I send to you for the GPS generating map bug.

Can you please confirm that it is I spend the money , as it was still in V 1.01.

Thanks in advance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jahnotto:
I'm working on it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
That is not the issue. Maybe you should just make a mention of it now being shareware as one of the new features in your bulleted list or on your download page.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lidberg:
So let me get this straight - you come in here offering a pirated version of jahnotto's app, which is strictly against the rules of this board, AND you don't even have a Kaiser? You haven't even used the application! What the hell? :confused: :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] laakness:
I think you quoted the wrong guy ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lidberg:
LOL. Is it better now? When he replied, his QUOTE was jacked up, which jacked up my reply.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] evilc:
I have been in many, many software betas and cannot think of any of them where at the end I have been offered a free copy.

You would unlikely be in the beta if there was existing software that could do for free what you wanted to do and that it works on your device, so your time given to help the author get the app the way you want it makes it worth your time and effort providing the feedback.

I think it is absolutely a brilliant app - best contacts screen on any phone I have ever seen - I think $15 is a very reasonable price.

My only change request would be d-pad control. Once you have a list of possible matches, you should be able to use up/down to cycle through them and the middle button to select. Same goes for the Call / Send SMS / etc screen: d-pad control as well please.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] akxak:
I use the app from the beginning due to its brilliant concept. I know as software developer myself the time and effort to maintain such an app.

15$ is not much for this, considering the support it gives to me when searching a contact.

So far, nobody is forced to register or to use it.