yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] mrsim:
thanks...i ended up flashing the original viperatmos 5.4 stock.zip file from here

http://xdaforums.com/android/software/viperaudio-viperatmos-3-8-sq-driver-t3289075

and it's working fine without SE linux changed to permissive...although for some weird reason the actual SE linux APK refuses to work on my OP3 and constantly errors out...it installed ok but gives me ('superuser manager does not allow app to access SU or you do not have root') toast message which is odd as it works fine on my galaxy tab
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] camdadeye291:
I got it working. My device is fully unlocked. I installed BusyBox, selinux changer and v4a. Changed selinux mode. Ran v4a, installed driver. Changed to compatibility mode in v4a. Used compatible music app. Google play, cm music app.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] xukaiteo:
I think you have to set the SElinux from enforcing to permissive to get it working. I had similar problems in the past with my LG G3. I have yet to try on the OP3 so this may not work :p
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Iceyogurt:
How about Dolby Atmos in viperatmos 5.4 stock.zip. Does it work well? I haven't found any dolby atoms works well on OxygenOS.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] mrsim:
still need to test this so not sure but flash it yourself and see
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] Iceyogurt:
thx for your reply. I have figured this out now. It works.

The problem bother users with oxygen OS is that the audio_effect.conf in /system/etc is not correct. Since the viperatmos 5.4 stock.zip package use its own conf to override it, Dolby Atmos works smoothly. I even adapted the package as a Magisk module successfully.
[OnePlus 3 Questions & Answers] mrsim:
nice work mate...:good:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dtmcnamara:
Ok so if you dont know the 8925 has probably the worst battery life of any HTC phones I have ever used. It was like they decided to put all the latest and greatest into a shell sexier than hell, then give it a old 8125 battery,

The 8125 had what a 1250mAh battery, so they give the 8925 a 1350mAh, makes no since. I am still use to my P990i having a 1500mAh battery and getting 7-9 hours of play time and a 10-18 day stand by time.

Are their any upgraded batteries out yet? if no I may just have to get a second battery and charger cause I cannot go the last 4 hours of my day without a phone. Oh and a car charger is out of the question. I swear those things were made by battery companies to kill you battery faster than shizzit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] grizzley:
Actually, I have found that after a few full charges and running the battery down to about 5% it lasts pretty good.

The first day I had it I had to charge it after about 4-5 hours. Now I am using it most of the day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kireol:
if I'm 3Ging and/or GPSing, it goes fast.

if i'm not doing those but doing anything else, it lasts a long time. Easily a whole day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] njmarchetti:
3G is a huge strain on battery life. Don't expect to get anywhere near the battery life you did with the 8125 if you are using 3G.

With my 8525 I would get 9 hours of battery life at the most (100%-0). With the Tilt, I have been getting about 12 hours of battery life with about the same amount of use.

I run WL push email all day and browse the web pretty heavily.

Make sure to condition your battery by running it all the way down to 0 before you recharge a few times.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dtmcnamara:
I have been conditioning the hell out of my battery so far, 100% down to %5ish, 100 to 5 100 to 5, only charges it and gone through like 3 cycles so far. Hopefully I will see something soon

anyone know of any batteries out there yet? if no I will put an order in for another OEM HTC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] roverman:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1619780
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dtmcnamara:
cool, thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kireol:
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lol. that's a trust worthy site.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
Just a note - conditioning a LiIon battery has zero affect on its charge capacity.

I'm getting between 8-10 hours of very active use and 10-16 hours of life when I'm not on the silly thing all the time. SPB Pocket Plus calculates my battery life at around 10-11 hours, and it's usually pretty good at estimating it once it's seen enough data.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sleuth255:
Nevertheless, I can also attest to the fact that the battery life of my Kaiser is increasing. I'd say its about 25-30% better than when I first started using it a few weeks ago.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GWelker62:
Where do you see this feature in Pocket Plus?

I am hoping Slueth is right about the battery life increasing over time. Mine isn't a 4th of what the 8125 or 8525 was. The comments on 3G being a huge drain I can't agree with. The 8525 and 8125 had the same battery consumption and I could get a full day of regular usage on both.

I can say using the Kaiser rom over the at&t rom made a noticeable improvement.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] verendus:
I live in HSDPA nation [Bay Area]. My tilt gets pushed to limits everyday. I have mobile shell installed with weather update, push email and active sync through exchange server, use ICS with laptop on the go. I can get through the day with heavy use and the battery never falls below 40%. At 11:00PM last night, I had 75% left on my battery level indicator.

I would say it's about 20-30% better than Hermes' battery performance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jlczl:
That's AMAZING! I wish I could have spent 75% by then and still have 25% left. I use everything you mentioned too but I barely make it t 7 or 8 pm before my tilt turns off at 1% battery level so I have to stick it in the charger as soon as I get home from work at about 6'ish.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
Add the battery meter to one of your tabs and look at the options for the meter by tap & hold - options. It allows you to set a fixed battery life or use a statistically estimated duration.

It all depends on your actual data usage. If you aren't transmitting a lot of data, then the HDSPA usage won't have a significant effect because it isn't on all that frequently. If you do, you'll definitely notice a difference.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mab981:
Mine was showing about 75% this morning and is now at 57% (5:30pm) - that is following three or four short phone calls, several web page downloads, several synchronisations via bluetooth and ten or fifteen minutes experimenting with the business card scanner.

I do agree with other comments here that battery life improves after several charge/discharge cycles. This Kaiser replaces my old Hermes - I think the battery life may not be quite as good, but it isn't vastly worse - trouble is that it has so many fun things to play with that you just do more with it! Just the GPS alone will draw that battery down if you use it too much - my hand-held Garmin can flatten a pair of high capacity AAs in less than 24 hours - and that is not powering a 3g transceiver and bluetooth at the same time.

Martin
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thomassster:
i must say, i have the case of not able to leave my phone in my pocket. I always have to have my phone out, turn on from sleep and do something with it. If I'm able to resist this temptation, my phone can last the whole day going down to 50%. If I'm messing around with it, then it could go below.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
I noticed that Skype is a MAJOR draw on the battery.

When I had skype on and logged in, the USB charger could barely hold the charge even ... when I was also using GPS with Google maps the battery life was visibly going down.

After using the device more normally now I get quite decent battery life.

The real test will come when I fly cross country and read an ebook on it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] YettaVR6:
If i can resist the urge to play with the GPS i can get about 2 days out of mine, but my useage is pretty light. I am using Direct Push with my exchange server, and get about 15 emails a day. The TCP timeout on my firewall is set to 1 hour, so i think that helps too. I am using the black & blue comm manager with 3g option, and i leave 3g off(it switches between 3g and Edge all day at work, and i heard that can lower battery significantly). I only enable 3g if i tether, and even then 3g coverage in my area SUCKS! Verizon has EVDO everywhere here, at&t needs to get their ass in gear ;). Overall i'm happy with the battery life. I've setup a few PDA's for some of my users here so i wasn't expecting anything great (although our two blackjack users seem very happy with battery life).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alemaker:
Just placed an order for the 1600 mAh Tilt battery

Hi,

I was confused by the different batteries available for the Tilt at www.batteryupgrade.com , so at I e-mailed them this message,

Just found your site, and am interested in purchasing a battery for my ATT Tilt/HTC Kaiser however; when I looked at my battery it does say KAIS 160, but the P/N is 35H00086-00M, and not 35H00088-00M. The device is ATT Branded, and in the device info on the phone, model number just says Kaiser, not Kaiser120 etc. Is there any difference, what battery should I get?

they gave me this link-

http://www.batteryupgrade.com/product_detail.php?productId=75070772&searchphrase=htc%2520kaiser

Just waiting to see if it does help alot, if not, I'll at least have two batteries now! :eek: lol

Alemaker
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] <insertwittyusernamehere>:
Terrible so far... but i've only been through one charge cycle, almost. I topped off the out of the box battery. From there it's been plugged into the computer while i was adding w***z (i mean perfectly legal software). So I've never actually winded it down to 0.

Is it bad to keep topping it off like this?

The battery life i've been having probably wouldn't even last a day but i should probably go down to 5% before i charge it again and see if it improves.

My motto with this phone is "Who needs decent battery life if you've got GPS, a 3MP camera, an unbelievable library of third pary software, 3G, a fully qwerty keyboard, gorgeous touch screen, and tilting screen?"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
LiIon batteries don't suffer from memory effects, so there's no issue with starting a recharge at any time.

However, you should try to avoid letting the battery run very, very low. The protection circuits should prevent this, but if the battery drains too far, then plating within the battery can compromise battery life.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikebraeuer:
Anyway I could tell if the battery has been damaged by draining too much?

I've got a battery something awful. It's at 50% by lunch time with moderate to heavy use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
You really can't tell unless you notice a pretty precipitous drop in capacity.

But keep in mind, this absolutely should not happen on a battery that's functioning properly. LiIon batteries contain a safety circuit that cut off charging and draw when the charge is within proscribed limits up or down. Many of the recalls that were in the press about "flaming batteries" were failures in the safety circuit, not necessarily failures of the batteries themselves. If that circuit functions correctly, it won't allow a damaging overcharge or discharge.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Scann69:
Well....i fully charged my Kaiser & unplug it from the power adapter at about 3.30am. Left it to sleep with bluetooth on and by 9.00am, i checked the power meter, it show 92%. Is that a little too fast for draining just on standby mode with bluetooth in less then 6 hours:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
I'd say "not for a Windows Mobile Pro device, no." 6% in 6 hours is roughly 100 hours of standby time, which is pretty good for a device that's doing everything this one can. That's 4+ days of standby time.

A better test is to unplug it when you get up and use for a day the way you normally would. Figure when you have to recharge, and decide whether that works with your schedule.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dgold21:
Better battery life at this stage than I had with my BlackJack...no 3G, but Direct Push all day, and a fair amount of phone calls and just playing around with it. Always has more than 30% left by the time I go to bed and put it on the charger.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mab981:
I'm getting around two days of what I would regard as normal use - that's half a dozen short calls per day plus a handful of web pages and a couple of email collections - always done manually - no push email or automatically scheduled collections. Perhaps a couple of GPS fixes to set the start point for a Live search. Bluetooth hands-free active for a couple of hours a day while I am on the road.

That is what I regard as normal usage for a PDA phone - others will disagree. Two days battery life is acceptable to me under those circumstances - I did get slightly better out of my previous Vario II, but not a lot better.

There are times when I use it as the data link to my laptop and it is running flat out for much longer periods - but under those circumstances I have it linked via USB and it is charging, not discharging, so that does not impact the battery life at all...

Martin
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swamp2:
TERRIBLE

Just back from my first business trip with the handy Tilt. Battery life is TERRIBLE, sometimes with a lot of GPS and 3G use I have to charge 3 times a day. Every time I was at an airport I was wandering around looking for the available and working outlets. Man airport plug availability really sucks. Even when not on a business trip I can never get away without charging once every 24 hours. Seems like a second battery is almost a requirement on this sucker.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Scann69:
Got to agree with you. I'm looking around for an extra battery and desktop charger that allows second battery charging too. My TyTN II cannot last me a full day. My day starts from 8.30am to about 11pm. The battery would die out by 7pm if not 8pm. Kinda crappy i'll say :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flash2002:
I noticed a change in battry life when charging by usb connection or via the charger.

I used the usb charge connection for about 2 days and my battery life was very very bad. Lost about 50% in 6 hrs/7 hrs.

After that I ran the battery down to 5% and used the normal charger. Since then I have been using the charger and battery life is much better.

Now only recharge once every 2 days. And don't use usb charging anymore.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
I just ordered one from Mobile Planet for $34.95.

I suspect you've got 3G enabled 24x7. If you install the 10-button comm manager and shut it down until you really need it, you'll find your battery life greatly extended.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PerfAlbion:
This doesn't make any sense. For your battery, the charger won't have any impact on battery life, just the speed of the recharge. The USB cable performs a trickle charge with much lower recharge rates.

So if you're noticing a difference in life, I'd suspect that you're not getting all the way back to 100% on the USB charger, but you are on the plug.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sphinx88:
I just finished about 3 Business Trips with the Kaiser and found the battery life to be acceptable. Moving from the 6600 with a 2200mah battery I find I was surprised at how long the 1350 mah battery actually lasted. I use about 2000 minutes a month in voice and unlimited data... I find that the PDA gets me through about 3/4 of a day.

I recently purchased the APC UPB10 Mobile Power Pack which gives me enough additional battery life for about 2 days with out seeing a charger. I believe it has a 10,000 mah battery and will charge the Kaiser about 2 times. It is light and fits in a suit pocket unnoticed.... Amazon has if for about $65.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flash2002:
I know it doesn't make sense, but on the usb it does show 100%. But battery life is less than when I charge via the charger.

I can't explain it! But thats what i'm experiencing. Maybe it just shows a 100% but in reality its only at 75%.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] energy59:
Use only your original charge.

Complete a cycle of 10 charge and discharge(complete), leave 1 hour more the time with the battery signed charged.

Not use usb port for charging.

My phone working 3 day, after this cure.

Bye:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Scann69:
Thanx for the info. Now my next question is, where do i get the 10 button Comm Manager? I read in another thread that he installed one and it got his TnTY II crazy/corrupted. I have a 10 button Comm Manager from Schap's Hermens ROM, not sure if that would work :confused:

Do you have one that confirms works and won't cause any conflict? Appreciate any links you can give.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
Look in the Kaiser Cabs sticky at the top, the comm managers are there. I'm using Schen's and it works fine on Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LGB:
Completely agree! I travel all the time, also looking for outlets in the wall. But today I have just received an external 5400 mAh battery ordered via www.gpsforless.com, and I look forward to try it out! If it still is not enough for me, I will add another version, where the battery is supplied with a solar charger (!), so at least for flights during the day, I can recharge while on the move. Westbound evening flights will be a problem though, as it will be "everlasting darkness" ...

Anyone else got the external battery? I should make a photo of it, so you can all see what size it really is (next to the kaiser). Looks like the charger for it could be the same as for a Nokia phone (to save bringing one charger along), as my backup phone is a Nokia 6310i (lasts for two weeks!!!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LGB:
I just saw about the link above, to this device

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=UPB10&tab=models

if the specs are really true, it is about two thirds the weight (90 grams vs 145 grams) of the 5400 mAh GPS for less I have just received, yet it is almost twice the capacity!

It says 10 Wh capacity, would that be the same as 10,000 mAh?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] l7777:
What is your usage? I have done 5 or 6 cycles as you say and I only manage ~22 - 24 hours if I don't use the phone except to check the battery level a couple times throughout the day. That is with direct push to exchange, checking two imap accounts every ten minutes, and updating weather. This is regardless of Edge or 3g radio. Bluetooth is also enabled.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
Over the last few years, I've noticed every phone I've had (which up till the Kaiser were all Sony Ericsson UIQ smartphones) have all had really dismal battery life to begin with - just awful. And every year I've gone through all the rituals of "conditioning" and experimenting with different ways of charging etc, and each one has steadily improved over the first few weeks, and even months of ownership. At first I always put this down to my sensible regimes of battery stewardship, but more recently I've really started to doubt that.

When I got the Kaiser, I was expecting really poor battery life - partly because I expect that from any new phone, but also because Windows Mobile has a reputation as a battery hog (especially in my more familiar Symbian circles). Sure enough, it barely lasted a few hours to begin with, then just about a day... this time around, I couldn't really be bothered with the whole pantomine of waiting till it was 0%, cycling a full charge etc etc, so I just decided to USB charge it all day every day at the office, and resign myself to the fact that it would barely make it to the next morning.

The result, a month later? Come the weekends, it now lasts two full days, easily, and that's with plenty of calls, wifi browsing, some GPS, and generally fiddling around. It's not quite up to the standard of my last Symbian phone (which in fairness was a much simpler device) but it's more than adequate, and still seems to be improving too.

The lesson - forget all the voodoo, just keep charging and the capacity will improve. I think this is just the nature of things with these Lion batteries, nothing to do with how/when they're charged.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Neonblue81:
I've found that setting the kaiser screen to power off after a few minutes and then setting it to soft off a couple of minutes after tends to give the device a huge increase in battery life. The best thing about is, the phone is still running. Even doing a manual soft off and bringing the device back up only requires one hit of the power button.

So I've gone from roughly 1-1.5 days to between 3-5 depending on my usage using the above method.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
When will people stop with this full discharge madness?

There are plenty of sources out there pointing to the fact that Li-ion batteries don't need this kind of conditioning. Even the Wikipedia tells that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery

The battery life may improve over time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mab981:
I don't think it is battery conditioning - it's "battery learning" and I've seen it with other rechargable equipment. The output voltage of modern batteries changes very little during discharge almost till the battery is flat. The charge level meter in the phone needs to see the battery go through several full charge/discharge cycles before it can learn the characteristics of the specific battery it is monitoring and calibrate itself to compensate for component tolerances.

My Kaiser's battery life appeared quite poor when it arrived - reported charge levels dropping significantly in just a few hours. I gave it a full charge, let it discharge till it powered itself down, fully charged again, leaving it on power for an hour so so after it showed 100%, then discharged back down to auto switchoff. Keeping an eye on the meter during the first discharge cycle, it dropped rapidly and pretty linearly to about 10%, then sat there for ages, warning periodically about data loss if I didn't recharge. The next time round, it ran a lot longer before reporting 10%. It's not that the battery capacity is improving - just that the processor has better statistics on which to estimate remaining charge.

Martin
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Emmoth:
Well my battery life sucks, somedays... and somedays it's amazing. Like today, the phone was dead after the night (100%) when I went to sleep, so I charge it, the LED showed me that it was charging.

But after 2 hours I thought I was gonna pick up my phone, but no.. the phone was dead... had to remove the battery and put it in again to be abel to turn on the power. The battery meater told me that despice the problems it was charge to 100%, but it ws soo wrong.. around 21:00 tonight the phone was once again dead, and I haven't used it at all today !

Don't know what made it crash, or what messed up the battery life.. the only thing I can think of is that some program in the phone drains the battery power, or that Expansys sent me a "bad" Active car charger from Brodit. which ****ed up my battery or usb connection.

Anyway, like I said, it's not always like this.. I used the phone alot during christmas eve and the battery lasted the whole day and half the night with out any problems.

I'm going to call Expansys and ask them about this tomorrow, and see if I can get a hold of a new battery for it, and try that.