yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tuntang:
thanks for the resopnses

I'm currently on dutty's touch 28/8/07 with radio 1.27.14.09 and i also hard spl'd before putting this on. What you're all saying is that if i flash without flashing the radio then i should be fine. how do i not flash the radio?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tsadek:
Its not something you choose, you have to check each ROM. Usually it will say quite clearly whether its an OS ROM or an OS + Radio ROM.

With regards to following the steps in the other thread the key step is the SIM unlock which will allow radio updates to an Orange TyTN II.

So in summary:

If you have a sim-locked Orange TyTN 2 ONLY flash the OS (check each rom)

If you are unlocked do what you feel.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Sicilian:
Thank you for the guide, followed it to the T, including the sim lock. At last got rid of the orange rubbish!

Thank you very much. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] stoo1701:
Thanks !

WOW, thanks for the tons of advice and info, you guys kick ass. Ok, gonna Hard SPL, then choose an os-only rom and i'm off. Will post with results soon.

Can't believe Borange crippled it in the first place, I was lookin' forward to touchflo.. BA&*$rds...

Thanks again :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tuntang:
Q Mobile Works!

My non scientific, non senior opinion is that you'll be fine as long as you stick to AT&T ROMs if you are orange uk. its something to do with the drivers clashing- as mentioned at other forums.

goodluck
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Am I understanding right that after you have SIM Unlocked the phone with IMEI-Check..

a) You CAN safely flash radio ROM's onto the Orange TyTN II?

b) You CAN flash an OS/Radio or any combination of the above without relocking the phone?

I've got a TyTN (M3100) and my Orange TyTN II should be arriving soon.. basically as far as I can see if I get it SIM unlocked and HardSPL it then it becomes as safe to flash things as with the Hermes/TyTN/M3100? (IE Impossible to break it)

Also can anyone confirm if the voicemail notifications fail once you flash a non orange ROM..(IE the symbol doesnt appear for a new voicemail and doesnt go when you have listened to them all - instead you get a text message with funny symbols in it) I'm guessing they will and so ill have to cook that solution into the ROMs too everytime..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] forza:
I'm not sure that's entirely correct. The Orange UK phones should only have ROMs flashed that work with the 1.27.12.x radios. The later AT&T ROMs use the 1.27.14.x Radio ROM - these won't work with the Radio ROM the Orange phone ships with (which is the one you should keep).

The only safe method is to only flash ROMs which do not include a Radio - if the ROM works for you, great, if not, try another one. If you do flash a different Radio ROM you'll be sim locked which you will have to sort (imeicheck etc.).

I'm currently using udk's (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=353910) and am very pleased with it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Just to be 100% clear here since you seem to know what you are talking about.. You can flash any version OS as long as its OS only, or are you saying that some more recent OS builds (ones that ship with a later radio) actually NEED the later radio to work and therefore wont work on the orange TyTNII?

"The later AT&T ROMs use the 1.27.14.x Radio ROM - these won't work with the Radio ROM the Orange phone ships with"

Seesm to suggest that if i split the Os only from a later AT&T rom it wont work even if i flash it alone without touching the radio.. (I dont think this is what you meant but its how i read it.. just looking for clarification)

(i understand fully that the radio cant be upgraded as that sim locks it)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tsadek:
Interesting question on the answerphone symbol. Worth asking one of the cooks because I experienced the same thing with my HERMES and it was a PITA.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Im only asking as I dont have a kaiser yet.. should be arriving thursday! (If no one replys by then ill try it myself and see)

I had a hermes too so I guess it'll be the same fix and ill just cook it into my kaiser rom once i've built one..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Ok,

Just to mix things up a bit my Orange TyTN II has just arrived.. and has radio: 1.27.14.32... now i'm officially confused. (I should probably mention its Orange branded on the back and HTC on the front.. are they all like that?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MickyMax:
Are you sure ? 1.27.14.32
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tekerleki:
Which Orange operator got that radio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Yep.. Boot screen and the Device Manager both say: 1.27.14.32
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Orange UK.. Delivered this morning.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tekerleki:
Thank for prompt reply...(I'm also in orange uk but strangely my radio is 1.27.12.29 and it's 4 days old!!!)

As far as what rom to use, I've used Dutty's V3 it's safe no Radio-included. Works like charm, much better than Orange rom.

Make sure you hard-spl or soft-spl...

Good luck
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tsadek:
Very interesting. I wonder if we could flash this new radio without sim-locking the device?? Is it any better??? I too have 12.29
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Certainly seems to be working fine for me, I haven't had it long enough to say if it drops out anywhere but as its stock on my phone I guess Orange are happy with it.

By the way just to make it clear I didn't flash to this radio.. It came as standard on my phone as delivered brand new from Orange UK. I have no idea what will happen if anyone flashes to it.. It may lock your phone up again as they are reported to do.

The phone came direct from Orange but I did notice it wasnt sealed as they usually are.. I assumed it was so orange could stick the sim card in the box as it was just sitting on the top loose (in its plastic surround as they come) with the paperwork for the upgrade.

Maybe they are also re-flashing phone stocks (as opposed to just getting newer radios in new batches) before sending them out with later radios for some reason.

Can you confirm your phones are HTC branded on the front fascia and orange only on the back cover? (im thinking maybe they ran out of orange spv branded ones.. though none of them ive seen seem to have the orange branding like the hermes did)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tekerleki:
Yes my phone is just as yours (it's cost saving exercise, instead making new housing for branded Orange they just made battery cap-back cover with Orange insignia). By the way the only difference between HTC and Orange is the insignia at the back and of course OS and Radio, hardware is absolutely the same. ...

...and the way you explained it's sure that phone had a OS/radio upgrade just before it was shipped to you, surely they must have found a glitch with the previous one...

What is OS-version you got in phone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
1.81.61.2

CE Version: 5.2.1620 Build 18125.0.4.2

Same as the others I've seen on here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tekerleki:
Same here, therefore you should not have any problems with flashing your device..

If you can dump your radio rom that would be great, I would like to see if there is any difference in quality reception with older version

Good luck

ps you can always go back to your older OS see link...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=337066
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Jamesb4uk:
Ive just got my Orange Tytn 2 - flashed it with Dutty's V3 ROM & everythings great

OS 5.2.1933 (build 18533.Dutty's) V3

ROM date 01/01/08

Radio Version 1.27.12.29

looks like i got an older radio version

J
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] forza:
That is correct, *if* your Orange phone came with the 1.27.12.x Radio ROM - which I see yours didn't!

In theory the 1.27.12.x based ROMs will not work with your Radio, but the later AT&T ROMs possibly will (as they are based on the 1.27.14.x Radio). None of us Orange UK TyTnII owners have a device with the new radio you have so I'm afraid you're all on your own at the moment - I can't tell you what will happen if you flash *any* of the available ROMs.

To be honest, the worst known outcome is that you have to pay to get your phone sim unlocked - but that is based upon what we know on the phones we have experimented with. If you're feeling brave give it a go (putting Hard SPL on first of course) - otherwise leave it for others to experiment first :)

Either way, get a dump of your ROM (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=334680) before you do anything - even though your ROM version doesn't seem any different to the Orange ROM shipped on our devices it is at least compatible with the 1.27.14.x Radios, it would be nice to be able to try and find out how and why.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
I should have replied to this last night.. I actually was in the process of building my custom ROM (using my TyTN v8 modifications) for the TyTN II while posting those answers..

I flashed it late last night and it works fine.. using the plain HTC base ROM as my starting point.. so it would appear at least that the TyTN II I have works with the 'old' ROM's just fine. (I flashed only the OS of course so I still have the newer Radio)

I will flash the OS of a recent AT&T one as a test if anyone is interested?

(I did a dump as soon as i got it so I have that all safely stored)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
Please ignore this post - it turns out I was talking rubbish here through lack of proper testing by myself.

Since this is turning into the catch all Orange UK TyTN II thread.. It seems the problem with VoiceMail notifications is actually worse in the TyTN II than in the TyTN..

They simply dont work at all if you flash to a different ROM.. you dont even get the weird charactors SMS messages anymore..

I'll try the fix from the hermes but im not too sure its going to work.. in which case.. does anyone have working notifications on a newer ROM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tekerleki:
Opsi, on mine notifications are fine

:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
You are absolutely right they do work.

What happened is that I already had messages (that I wasnt aware of because of the bug on my tytn that I hadnt fixed in the test rom I had on there) so when i left a message it didnt send the text to set the icon.. (i assumed wrongly that it always sends the text.. it must remember its been sent and not bother)

When i went to voicemail and deleted it it sent the text telling the phone to remove the icon.. which it obviously recieved.. discarded because the icon wasnt there on the new phone and didnt show the sms because it knew its not meant too..

Ive gone back and tried again knowing I had no messages and its working fine!

Thanks,

sam
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tekerleki:
Sam almost forgot just to remind you, if you could dump your radio rom that would be much appriciated.

Thanks

PS how to dump radio see link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359015
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sambartle:
I'll give it a go.. bit more complex than the OS dump by all accounts.. and i'm not sure QPST is legal for download.

I'd like to look into what the commands you have to run too before I go running them. It's expensive after all!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Fogster:
Hi guys,

Can anybody help me with getting the 1.27.14.32 radio stack from the Orange TyTn II.

I have, like a complete r-tard after reading all these threads, just managed to flash my device with the wrong ROM, i.e. one with a radio stack included.

Good news is that I didn't have my SIM in at the time so I am hoping that it won't be locked.

More good news is that I have a second TyTn II with the above radio version on so I can get it from there. I have followed the instructions in

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359015

but after Step 5 MTTY just sits there consuming 99% of the CPU and nothing happens.

QPST is installed and all devices are recognised.

The thread does say that it isn't for n00bs and to be honest whilst I have flashed plenty of devices this is something new so I thought I would come the the for community for assistance, after all I guess I can provide the updated radio at that point.

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mark Crouch:
As an alternative, on the device you flashed with a new radio, you might want to try running @jockyw2001's Kaiser SIM unlocker (see here) - the by product of this is that you can then flash any radio, even if you are a UK Orange user (as reported by several people in that thread). So, the theory is that you run the unlocker, re-flash your current radio version (the one from the ROM flash) and it should all be fine....

Dumping the 1.27.14.32 radio will be great, and once again, @jockyw2001 is your man; he's actually working on a "radio dump" tool, but there's no news on when it will be released. You could try sending him a PM about your current MTTY predicament, or maybe he'll see your post anyway?

Hope this helps,

Mark.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] c.b:
Another UK orange TYTN II owner here. Am currently using Duttys V3 Final. I have found it to be a very good ROM and does all that I need to. I found V4 RTM and the latest 6.1 BETA ROM to be slightly problematic so for now have reverted to V3 final.

I have done plently of testing various bits of software on it and this is what I am currently running if anyone is interested.

Rom = Duttys V3 final rom.

Cube = HTCCube_FTouchFlo_TFloCubeCtrlv110_Config-xplode.cab

HTC Task manager

HTC GPS TOOL

Touch Settings Fix

Schaps_CyberonVoiceSpeedDial_1_2_b070917_0_WWE

Duttys adobe reader

Unofficial HTC Wait animation cursor
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pheckles:
I have an Orange TYTN II, and have not unlocked SIM but have succesfully maaged to flash to Radio 1.27.14.09.

Downloaded from here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jt3009:
all you need is the correct radio......i had same problem

if you search through the posts youll find what your after

i used one of alex's roms and got new radio then everything hunky
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] WilkesMcD:
Hi UKBATMAN,

I see that you flashed your Orange 'crippled' phone a little while ago now. Have you found any issues with your phone now?

I'm just about to take the plunge but everyone seems to send me links to sites where people have bricked their phone in doing so (something to do with the 'radio ROM' (?)

Wilkes
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cgjones:
Take the plunge. I have had no issues whatsoever with Dutty or Schaps ROMS
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Prufrock:
One thing I disagree with, ukbatman, is step 5 where you say you have to change the rom on your phone. You don't have to change rom to unlock the phone. I've got a Vario III, which I have unlocked, but I haven't changed the rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] angel-78:
I disagree with having to pay someone when there are free ways to unlock your phone. There is a sticky that talks about a great free program and if you have a tilt you can call ATT and have them unlock it for you.

A lot of people are having success with this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361039
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ahmadashar:
Well, i have tried Dutty's v4 RTM, Dutty's wm6.1 and Alex WM6.1 Home. They all worked perfectly fine for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Loserboy0711:
Ditto, i have done the same
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] :
Radio 1.27.14.32

Hi

I have a HTC TYTN II locked to the orange network in the UK. I would like to unlock it. My Radio rom version is 1.27.14.32 . I have been told by an friend that I can use 1.27.12.32 instead when flashing the phone as I cannot find the original version. Will this enable me to unlock my phone without bricking it?

Many Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] foobar1977:
Ok, I'll save you from the flames for not searching ;-)

I think the answer to this question depends on what you want to achieve...

If you want to SIM unlock so that you can stuff another providers SIM card in then I very much doubt you'll achieve that by flashing the 1.27.14.32 radio (and i don't know if that would avoid SIM locking the device), even if you can find a copy of 14.32, and believe me I have tried. I think it's unavailable because it has to be dumped from an Original Orange Rom which are not released... could be wrong on that though.

If you simply want to run a cooked or some other OS ROM then you'll need to hardSPL and CID unlock first:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=334679

Then get an OS only rom, MAKE SURE its OS only!

Of course, if you are not concerned with being able to return it for warranty repair then just once you've hardSPL'd and CID unlocked, use this...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361039

Then you can flash whatever you like :)

I take no responsibility for you doing any of this, I'm pretty new to it myself. You MUST read, read and read some more. When you fully understand what it is you are doing and the associated risks then go for it.

I accidentally flashed the wrong ROM to my Orange Tytn II the other night which unfortunately included a radio rom. This resulted in a SIM Locked phone. I got around that easily enough but I'm now in a position where I can't get hold of the original radio rom and will be unable to return my device for repair should it develop a fault.... having said that, there are other ways and means to get a faulty phone repaired/replaced ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ukbatman:
UPDATE *************

All,

My phone has now been running for sometime with no problems.

The first time I installed the Orange Sim all the networks configuration was dowloaded.

A colleague at work has recently purchased a HTC TYTN II unbranded, on a quick check I found all of his configuration Roms and Radios to be the same as mine.

ROM version:1.56.405.5

ROM date:08/28/07

Radio version:1.27.12.11

Protocol version:22.45.88.07H

:):):):)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ukbatman:
Hi

The steps i have added are for owners of Orange TYTN II phones, If you read the steps you have to follow unlock both CID and SIM unlocks.

Unlike ATT and some other companies Orange generally will not remove the locks on your phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ukbatman:
Prufrock

The poor Orange owners are not so lucky as you T-Mobile customers, If you don't re-flash the software on your phone it remains slow and has some god awful graphics that do not do this phone any justice.

Please note step 5 can be replaced by any Rom designed for the TYTN II / KAISER
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NFRCER:
Dear ukbatman the splash screen link you provided doesnt work...i would like to have this splash screen, can you point me to the right link?

6.

The only thing I do not like is you get a splash screen saying “smart Mobility” Splash ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Kaiser/Splash/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mazta:
my rom is the same,

need an unlocking tool man, i have 20 of these sitting here, all locked up, would rather send donations than 20 quid a pop to imei

someone must crack it soon
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mark Crouch:
Someone did crack it.....on Jan 20th :D

See this post for all the details on how to SIM unlock for free....donations gratefully accepted ;)

Cheers,

Mark.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lodger:
Just to add ...

I had to sent my orange branded phone back to htc at xmas (broken usb port)

when i got my phone back it has radio 1.27.14.32 on it to
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] UKTamo:
To be fair....I have mine done up. i'm on DCS WM6.1 v1.4. Radio flashed to some 6.1 radio (can't mind version) and I've had no issues....

Hard SPL > Flash OS > Flash Radio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Happy_Shrimper:
Was about to attempt the SIM unlock on my Orange Kaiser, but went off to seek the 1.27.14.32 radio rom and can't find one!

Does this mean I should not unlock until one is available?

Help ... !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] c.b:
Here's a free search result on me then....http://www.4shared.com/dir/5551593/20b4549a/sharing.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tof270284:
Search rom orange fr

Hi

I need a rom orange fr. R 1 27 12 29

G 22 45 88 07H

D 1 81 00 00

Because, I've change my rom and I don't save my original rom.

Thank you
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Happy_Shrimper:
You're a gentleman! Thanks. My searching abilities seem weak!

My searches on these forums only seem to work for full words, not part???

i.e. Kais wouldn't find kaiser for example. Maybe I need some sleep :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Happy_Shrimper:
Blast! 1.27.14.32 wasn't there so opted for 1.27.14.09 instead. Now I don't get sound on the earpiece when making a call. Any suggestions for a radio rom for Orange in the absence of 1.27.14.32?

Is this lack of sound a common/known problem?

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Teppic24:
I've had no problems with 1.27.12.17, and I believe that 1.27.12.32 also works on Orange UK, although I haven't tried that one myself.

Edited to add: Since posting this I've flashed 1.27.12.32 to my phone and everything seems to be working fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Happy_Shrimper:
Thanks Teppic24, I'll try 1.27.12.17 tonight and see if the sounds comes back.

Did get an incoming call today and earpiece sound was fine. Maybe its just outgoing?

Any advances on 1.27.12.17? 1.27.12.29 anyone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mjed2006:
I'm using Schap's v4.40 as a 6.1 ROM.

Everything works ok - I have no issues with this ROM to date.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dave_a:
I used 1.27.12.32 after unlocking my Orange UK Kaiser and have not noticed any problems during calls and HSPDPA works fine
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Pummy:
1.27.12.32 runs fine on the Orange ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Happy_Shrimper:
Thanks All, problem resolved by installing 1.27.12.32. Found a thread that confirmed that radio roms can cause the loss of sound. Its detailed in the Radio Roms thread linked from the Unlock sticky.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rochi:
Cannot unlock Tytn II orange with passoword

Just followed the istructions but it wouldn t unlock...

Help me please

May i put the earlier radio??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bigdyl69:
I managed to do it first time after I upgraded to the HTC standard ROM and got the sim lock message, thought I'd bricked my phone. I just followed the instructions to the letter and it worked first time so I'm not sure where u might be going wrong
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] airacutie:
New WM 6.1

Hi,

I've tried yesterday new Duttys 6.1 ROM with radio 1.64.06.04 on my Orange branded Kaiser, no problem yet. Everything is working fine. My Kaiser wasnt SIM locked, only HardSPL was required.