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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power

my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).

Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nispen:
He called the MARKETING crap.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=339745

btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] juiceppc:
HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.

It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...

Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files... :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zcink:
The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbep:
I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] juiceppc:
I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...

Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] viewedit:
Sold my hermes for this

It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] saudi-brazil:
Video slow

Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device

from the early 90's
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
Exactly. And the worst thing is that Qualcomm MSM7200 chip IS capable of so much more.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
I cant believe how some people will defend a given product regardless of it's flaws.

Sell it on EBay? buy another brand? Thats so illiterate IMO.

I have a Porsche! It has flaws, we discuss it on Porsche forums and demand Porsche deal with it. Not a single member said "go buy a Ferrari or a Lamborghini" or sell it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borealcool:
That and people who let ego get in the way of acknowledging MAJOR flaws. Comments like "it's the best thing on the market" when the device is equipped with one of the cheapest, unusable in bright light conditions LCD is dumbfounding. I can understand HTC sacrificing quality to meet carrier demand for iPhone competitors, but prices should reflect what consumers are not getting for their money.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CorruptedSanity:
I hear ya borealcool.

Im a very long timer SYmbian user. From P800 to latest M600i (very briefly P990i). The P1i was the last straw in Symbian/SE silliness. I

love

the TyTN II especially with my latest purchase of eWallet + Spb phone suite/diary/mobile shell/pocket plus and FFF and Opera Mini.

But the device has some major flaws like very veyr terrible camera which includes zooming and video! Lack of a flash!!! But ill be honest, the macro shots are something ive never seen on a mobile! Trust me when I say Macro shots are good on this device because I own several macro lenses for my Canon 1dMKII and can tell this is good at macro but terrible in terms of focus speed, shutter speed and zooming!!

Battery life is also terrible! Well barely manageable to be kind, LCD is almost useless in sunlight.... the list goes on!

Does WM6 Mobile have firmware updates like Symbian phones do?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fun_key:
Coming from an HTC Hermes, I musst say that I am a quite disapointed by video rendering performance. In some other situation the ATI Imageon helped me well to watch movies (but on the other hand, it was less stable, *never* push the camera button while watching a film with imageon, ...).

I do not know what hardware exatly lies in the tytn II, but I know that it took more than six month to get an application that finaly use the acceleration of the tytn; the problem is maybe the same here, we may expect some good later.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borealcool:
Sunlight? We've got partial overcast today and here is a shot of my Titan in all it's glorious uselessness:

Now when your colleague at work pulls out his 399$ iPhone under florescent lights and asks you to show him your device, you can't help feel like an idiot with your 599$ blank screen :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kfluk:
Highly agree! On paper, the qualcomm chip in very powerful. But in real world, it easy get suck on any application. I use CHT ROM before, it is slow. Flash WWE ROM become little better. But it's quality is not yet come to acceptable level. This device is powerful and it could be run better.

Hope HTC can take care it's baby.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
Once again. Chip isn't slow, it's just the lack of drivers that could take the most of it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eska007:
totally agree

I purchased a tytn2 to replace my 5 year old qtek2020. Both have a 400 cpu but my qtek2020 was able to play video with 800kb bitrate. The tytn2 struggles with 400kb. Can't help but feel dissapointed.

It all comes down to the right drivers. IMHO the camera is good if it had some better software.

I've e-mailed htc about this, asking if they plan to update the drivers in the near future. Wondering when en what reply i will get.

Please send emails to htc.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omikr0n:
Please keep us updated on the reply from HTC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kfluk:
Pls post email address here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] licht77:
i agree that htc should improve the software/drivers if there is any potential for improvements (and your posts here make me think that this is the fact).

But when talking about Kaisers abilities: I had a Hermes before, and I dont think that Kaiser is such a bad device as one could think after reading this thread:

pros:

o a lot more storage

o faster, no freezing, no delays

o much brighter display - really no problems in the sun!

o very cool camera (still images) - even in dark rooms the images are very sharp and bright! Never saw this quality on a mobile before!

o much stronger vibracall

o better battery life

o much better keyboard - no missing letters when typing anymore

cons:

o no extra hardware button for the comm manager

o no infrared

So, dont be too cruel to our Kaisers :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borealcool:
Would you kindly post a snapshot of your Kaiser's transmissive display in direct sunlight? If it performs as you say it does, I swear my Titan will get the BFH treatment ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mab981:
I guess that different people have different requirements... Graphical performance (actually most aspects of performance) is quite unimportant to me - my PDA is a communications device, not an entertainment device. I use it for email, Instant Messaging, web browsing, some lightweight navigation and as a mobile interface to my PC and MacBook. I want stability and a good data rate. The camera gets used for a few quick snapshots - I have a good Canon digital compact and a digital SLR for serious photography.

My Kaiser fills all those roles very well, so I personally hadn't even noticed the issues discussed here before you guys mentioned them. Battery life could be a bit better, but even that is not a serious problem for me - the only times that my PDA phone is active for long periods is when it is cabled up to my laptop - then it is the laptop powering it...

Martin
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Hehe !

I see this thread got back on the first page after being silent for quite a while... Well continuing to program for the Kaiser (actually just trying some stuff on it) i encountered new problems:

1. The screen flip is really slow - i see tearing all the time. I don't know how to vsync (yet) but i'm sure i see more tearing than on my Prophet (200MHz TI OMAP) - who tried to watch videos knows what i mean...

2. This is for devs only: The thumbwheel can't be read (at least i couldn't - i'm not a pro, but i'm pretty good) - GetASyncKeyState returns nothing for it, so i guess HTC does the reading in the driver and posts WM_KEYDOWN messages to the foreground application, and it posts different message if the screen is in landscape or portrait mode -> kinda bad, i was trying to make that thumbwheel scroll, but i can't read it :(.

3. Somehow i have the feeling HTC did something Microsoft didn't like because their phones no longer have the "Certified for MS Windows" sticker on the back. Like i said, i have a feeling they broke some rules, and MS no longer think HTC products are 100% compatible - see point 2 which is frustrating for a developer. Let's say you buy iGo, which reads the volume key and sets it's own volume with that, and install it on the Kaiser. You don't have a way to change volume, but iGo says it works with any WM device. Well... they are right, it works with any WM device, but the Kaiser might not be a "WM device" hence the sticker missing

I hope i made myself understood.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mmone3:
The thumb wheel does return messages, two at a time, which i think is the same as the nav buttons but the order is inverted. I don’t know if it’s the same for the Kaiser because I was doing my development on a p3600. Hope that helps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DoughtCom:
I couldn't agree anymore with the OP. My wizard at 200 or so MHz totally owns my Kaiser, I hope they fix the drivers because I would love to at least get the same performance that I did in my 2 year old phone. If they fix the drivers and optimize this baby, this is by far the best phone on the market IMO.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
You called GetASyncKeystate and it returned some values ?

If it did, did the values change between screen in landscape and screen in portrait ?

I think HTC fakes this button in the input driver, that's why it makes the system think it's volume up / volume down when in a phone call, but makes the system think it's up / down in portrait and left / right in landscape...

I think that if the current foreground window is one which the drivers know about it does something "custom" but the default behaviour is up/down or left/right depending on screen orientation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] juiceppc:
Agreed. That's all they gotta do. Give us better drivers. Thats all we want. I swear I'm tempted to go back to the Hermes. It's way lighter and seems "snappier". But I won't. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
I just sent the following email to them. Hopefully we'll hear a response.

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To whom it may concern,

I ask that the following email be sent to the TYTN II development team or anyone else qualified.

The lack of ATI Imageon hardware driver support and the 7200 chipset driver support on the TYTN II is simply laughable. The TYTN II, which claims to be superior to most all current devices on the market, is lacking serious driver and hardware support when it comes to Video playback. In fact, anything that has to do with Direct Draw, Direct X and any fluid movement of pixels on the screen seems behave in an unacceptably slow manner.

Even the camera application that comes with the device slows down to such a slow frame rate that photos are not able to be captured, and cause videos to record and render slower than a sideshow. Videos captured from a third party source render faster on devices over 3 years older using slower technology.

There are a plethora of other TYTN II owners that are experiencing the same exact results as I have briefly explained above. The lack of speed in rendering video or 3D content on the TYTN II seems to be a direct result of poorly coded and even missing driver support. If HTC is unable or unwilling to resolve this issue, please prove a full fledge SDK release so that phone owners can repair what HTC was unwilling or unable to do.

Thank You,

Chris Davis
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Blowfish64:
Maybe you should make this a petition, so other users could add their voice to this. Might make HTC think twice if there were several hundred names behind yours. I seriously doubt HTC will give a crap unless there's strength in numbers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eska007:
Will keep you updated

I will keep you updated when htc sends a reply to my mail. So far (2 days later) i only received an email saying that a ticket has been opened. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] juiceppc:
http://www.petitiononline.com/tytn2vid/petition.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
Seriously dude, if you don't have something constructive to say, then just resist the urge to post.

The problem is that you're RIGHT - IT IS the best phone on the market. But there's nothing wrong with wanting it to live up to its potential. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make it better.

It's like we're talking about removing the 35mph governor on our cars, and you're telling us not to care.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gthing:
I think it's the right move to contact HTC about this, but if a developer actually ever gets this email, I'm not so sure they'll take it very well. Calling their work "laughable" in the first sentence might not be the best tactic.

Just sayin.

Maybe a short email like "Are you planning on releasing the drivers for this at some point?" and then we can get snippy once they say they're not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
I got a reply back. It reads:

Hello Chris Davis,

We here at HTC America Technical Support definitely understand your concern about using the HTC TYTN II to its maximum potential, in this case with respect to the capturing, rendering and playback of media for it.

At your request, we have forwarded your concerns to our Product Development Team at HTC Taiwan; However, due to HTC's policies, we are unable to provide an SDK for any of our devices for public use.

Thank you for your inquiry,

Max W.

I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.

HTC Technical Support

http://www.america.htc.com

http://www.htcwiki.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Well, i'm not sure what to make of it... they don't agree there's a problem, they just "understand" your concern... Anyway, good job !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MDA-Fan:
Hi everyone!:)

A few days ago, I bought a brand new MDA-Vario 3 (HTC Kaiser). The Kaiser replaces my 3 year old MDA Compact (HTc Magician). All I want to say is that the magician is mostly faster than the Kaiser! I´ve only noticed once that the Kaiser is faster and that was when I was testing an AVI-video file with the Windows Media Player, but the WMV´s are a joke on it! And all the emulators that are out there are also faster on the magician! But that might be because of the new OS?

And before I forget, the camera is capable to make good pictures, but it is so goddamn slow that you can´t get a good picture!:mad:

Edit: Why can´t I watch any video file with TCPMP on it? I always get the message that the codecs are not supported. Let me guess, I have to wait for a new version of TCPMP. Right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
you have to download wm5 codecs (search for them on the forum)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
HTC/MS should get their game on. The handheld market is the next big thing, and HTC is currently in the lead in many respects, but with this kind of attitude, I wonder how long they will stay in the lead. Take a look at Palm Computing. I bet they will be all but gone in 2 years.

I guess the HTC Product Managers have not yet seen how stunning the iPhone video playback is. I have more faith the iPhone will support better syncing, A2DP and GPS before HTC comes out with a device that supports better video. Plus rumors of a Google phone. With their deep pockest and engineering talent, you gotta figure they will definitely make a big splash.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Aquilo:
Rumours of a Google Phone? All I see is their publicly announced Android OS. That said, it would be nice to see a HTC device with nice video playback!

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On topic though, what about the"Touch Cruise"? Since that has some of the same internals, perhaps it'll have an updated Direct3D library (and maybe some other goodies) we can use on the Kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
Just speculation, but...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphon...erry-will-run-on-multiple-carriers-241712.php

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Yes, perhaps the Cruse will have some drivers, but it would be nice to see HTC spend some time addressing the concerns of a "released" product and not leave it to the xda community to figure out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Aquilo:
http://www.mobilemarketingmagazine.co.uk/2007/11/google-and-frie.html

I took their announcement to mean that they weren't gong to focus on any single phone, more like an OS that would run on a variety of handsets.

Then again, I've been wrong before ;)

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While it's not an ideal solution, it might offer a good alternative while HTC get their act together (assuming they will).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
RPG0 is absolutely right: a LOT of features simply haven't been implemented.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MDA-Fan:
Hi!

Maybe I´m too stupid...... I can´t find them.

May I get the link?:rolleyes:

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jgermuga:
Yep, looks like the gist is OS only.

It appears HTC is on board, but will they be supplying drivers for this platform?? I wonder if their partnership with Micorsoft has cooled and it is why that are not investing in driver development.

I wonder too... what will make this any more successful than Symbian?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benchMarc:
I don't know about the camera. When it's very light, the camera acts nice, in my opinion. I started a thread about it: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=343613

The problems i have are a slow moving screen when scrolling e-mails, internet or programs. It's like scrolling through the internet or explorer with a PC without any video drivers.

Today i met someone with a HTC Touch. It didn't have those problems at all. It was faster with scrolling through things than my Tytn 2 :| wtf :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] -nickx-:
Totally Agree with above comment!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
There's a fix for that: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=337521&highlight=slow+scrolling+fix
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benchMarc:
It only helps scrolling text faster. When i'm in start -> programs, or file explorer, total commander, or just PIE with pictures in a site it still scrolls laggy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Aha ! So you noticed... This is what i'm complaining about in 3 different threads for more than a month, and this is the result:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=342500
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BA_Flash_GOD:
hahah htc knows what's up

I stopped wasting money on HTC after my 8125 to be honest, for something that is $500+ it should do a lot more than run dinky windows mobile that's for sure! People will always buy the latest thing out, eh it makes a lot of folks feel 'cool' hah.

Of course HTC knows that, and milks it for what it's worth I don't blame them, but I don't blame you either for wanting more (or at least the correct support) for your super pricey phone. What made you want to buy a kaiser is the question? I figure If you want the real deal, get a V33i flybook, I picked one up, newer v5 version out now as well, core duo baby!

http://flybook.biz/en/?section=generic&page=v33i_hsdpa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hj9dNWN1Xo (great video showing sim card usage att/tmobile/etc)

haha try ATI, 40gb, 8.9" touchscreen, intel proc, 1gb ddr400, bluetooth, gb lan, video-out and xp.. etc etc and what's that?? Sim card slot and HSDPA you say, damn right.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
First of all, grats !

Second... what ? are you kidding ? the Kaiser fits in your pocket... it's 6 times smaller and 6 times lighter (roughly). Oh, and good luck putting that to your ear...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BA_Flash_GOD:
hehe

bluetooth bra...read the specs.. it's not 400mhz hah..Plus there are lots of usb phones for such use, as well as cordless bluetooth phones coming into play mid-next yr. $500 for a winCE device is ludacris. My moral was if having the latest/greatest makes you feel cool, research a bit HTC is behind on hardware. If you want to start a petition, at least protest against their low-budget OEM hardware.

Major thing is this thing gets service everywhere hah, i've had mine 4 months now and never seen it go below 3 bars (ATT) and I live in the sticks. I gotta admit, sure they're $1200+ but you can literally carry everything all in one.

Lastly, i've got an 8125, it may be a lil thicker than the hermes/kaiser, but its something like carrying a cigarette pack. Unless you wear really baggy pants the bulge is too much to put in the pocket in my opinion.

I don't work for or have any affiliation with flybook hah just stating their producer icube will be very in the next 2yrs

EDIT: You forgot to mention the kaiser is an unmeasureable amount slower, and lacking in all hardware aspects compared to this. Most people carrying a laptop these days and a seperate phone, seems like old news.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benchMarc:
Hehe, yeah i noticed ;) Since the beginning. I was used to my dads mitac mio (real budget) pda, and i played with some ipaqs, pda's that are 3 or maybe even 4 years older than the tytn 2. But they all scrollt really smooth. The act so much faster than this device. I thought it was my t-mobile brand software, but soon i found out that isn't the case.

A friend of mine has a HTC P3300. This device has the same scroll lag problem as our device.

I just can't believe things like this are possible. Wtf are those testing guys doing at HTC? Don't they see there's a major problem in the device? And how dares HTC releasing this pda with a lot of confidence.

I even think the reviewers of all those expensive sites are getting big money from HTC for promoting their device. I mean, those people review every device, how can they not notice this lag? I haven't read a single review that writes about it. Or they are really blind, or they play together with HTC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
I was getting ready to pick up a Tilt this weekend. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to be optimistic and say that eventually (3 or 4 months from now) all these driver problems will be fixed. Either by them or us. What do y'all think?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Yeah, I'm still going to buy it.. I believe someone here or HTC will step up and fix this problem soon. I was just looking at the petition for it and I would find it hard to believe if HTC just decided to ignore almost 2000 customers.