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[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ksc6000:
Which country are you in? Just asking to see what your buying options are
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
I'm in the US. So my buying options are whatever pops up on Swappa or eBay. I never buy my phones from retail stores.

Btw, I bought an old Nokia 920 because I'd never used a Windows phone and I had great experiences with Nokias "back in the day" (Still have my 7110). Nokia makes smaller phones so I was sorta considering a new Nokia as a possible option. But after experiencing Windows Phone 8.1, it would be very hard to get past the massive deficiency of apps for that platform. And that's too bad, because I like the system otherwise and the Nokia is very solidly built.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ksc6000:
Fair enough. I'm in the US as well and I got mine from expansys-usa.com. I've bought 3 phones from them in the past 2-3 years. Might just want to take a look.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ninestarkoko:
My 2cents for this phone: satisfied user here. Just difficult to get used to low-sided buttons for me.

I like the screen, the sound speakers, the UI smoothness on Marshmallow, the overall power, overall camera experience.

I would like less the battery drainage, i think it could be improved either by Sony or by the xda community.

Lot less people working on this phone than those on z3c, but fortunately Xposed works well and i'm satisfied on the software side.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] SsBloodY:
Thanks for the long and comprehensive review smartphone-test.

Guys I am really in doubt. I was a MOTO G user and like OP was feeling with his MOTO X that's how felt with my Moto G excluding camera quality. I managed to get 4 days of battery. Unfortunately I god drunk and broke it, anyway it was time for replacement as it was kind of old already. I am looking for something similar so I've stopped on Sony compacts.

My dilemma is Z3c or Z5c?

I am a casual user (no games, all day social apps, all day GPS, etc.) but I am an IT so I am demanding user. When I need something I want to have it, no compromises. I like versatile and useful phones. Not overloaded with bloatware, but just doing their job

What I am looking for:

* Great battery life. At least 2 days.

* Stability, stability, stability - i just loved that my Moto G did not gave me any irritating problems that. This is very important for me.

* Enough power to run smoothly.

* Enough internal storage or SD Card slot

* At least 330 PPI display

* Not bigger than 4,.7 inch display.

* Good speaker and headphones audio quality.

What I am not looking for:

* A beast phone for games.

* Outstanding camera.

* More than 330 PPI.

So both phones are in those specs, but

Z3 negatives:

Z3 is a little bit older (worse specs) and buying it now I know it will start to have troubles with newer versions of apps and Android sooner than the Z5.

Z3 has worse camera (not a big issue)

Z3 has issues with the screen not being glued okay to the body and coming apart. (Maybe it's fixed in new shipments)

Z5 negatives:

Z5 has worse battery life.

Z5 has more software problems (not so stable) (Maybe fixed in MarshMellow)

I am inclining towards Z3 as stability and battery life are one of the most important aspects for me, but if that is being fixed via software improvements on the Z5 than Z5 outperforms Z3.

Guys what is your opinion on this. Generally it should be better to buy the newer version - Z5, but I am not so sure and I am thinking about the proven Z3.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

Dimitar
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
Your thoughts on the z3c being outdated technology and software might be a bit backward. Z3c gets software updates and development before z5c, its treated as the flagship still . And it's processor is only 32 bit so 2gb RAM works with the 801 better than with the 810. I say z3c if the side charging isn't a problem.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] smartphone-tester:
As you mention that you don't necessarily look for the newest processor and the camera is not much of an issue, I would personally recommend the Z3c:

Battery life is really noticeably longer in practice.

The Z3c has been receiving new Android releases faster than the Z5c by Sony itself - the Android M early design study was only released for the Z3 series. With Cyanogen, Z3 also seems much better supported than Z5. So the Z5 may actually become outdated more quickly than the Z3 series...

This is very subjective, but I like the look&feel / design of the Z3c quite a bit better than the Z5c.

The magnetic charging dock/cable is something I personally like, e.g. in the car.

Advantages of the Z5c (depending on if you care for that or not):

Faster CPU - however, in practical usage, I don't notice much difference between the Z5c and the Z3c.

Fingerprint reader (which works after some initial training).

Better camera.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] cdou2391:
Let add a few things development wise. I would advise you to get the Z3C,it gets faster software releases from sony,and the development for the z3c is way more advanced than the z5c. If you are ok with going stock for a while then get the z5c it's a better phone but if you're into customisation them get the z3c,you'll have more options
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ksc6000:
Where would one even buy a z3 compact these days?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] uchechris:
You can check out on Swappa.com, they have z3 compacts very cheap nowadays or amazon
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ksc6000:
In either case I would not buy the z3 compact because it just seems so fragile, so many experiences online even reviews on Amazon where the glue is coming apart between the screen and the back and cracked screens and whatnot
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] manilu001:
battery life is ok on this phone idk what you expect, if you wan't battery last longer turn off all, data, wifi, gps, good thing about this phone and noone mentioned is fast charging 50% under one hour and i don't see any problem to put phone over night on charger, i do that back from htc tatoo i bought few years back.

i bought this phone beacuse great camera and 4.7" screen, comparing with my friends z3c batery life is almost same, moderate use of gps, wifi drains battery fast but using it for check facebook, e-mail few times a day and around 1 hour calls almost every day my battery is over 60% when i go in bed, phone is well made and only problem i found is very scratch sensitive camera lens and that is only problem i had with this phone in 3 month use but devilcase lens protector fixed problem
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
I owned Z1c, Z5c, S6(sold) and G3. After flashed 32.2.A.0.224(6.0.1) based of Xpower3.0 rom, it's a good phone now. I think you are safe to buy it plus we can backup TA now before unlock BL, the development and discussion isn't active here but on going. Before 6.0.1 out, the 5.1.1 and 6.0 did give me a very bad impression but the latest 6.0.1 finally made it become mature and usable. The phone is more smoothness and fast, heating issue not happen as frequently in older roms. I got battery drain during idle in 5.1.1 and 6.0 and seems fixed finally in 6.0.1.

I don't recommend z3c as there are many z3/z3c users got crack screen after using 12 ~ 24 months(my friend who owned z3 got screen problem just right after warranty expired). For the camera part, z3c got the worst camera, both z1c and z5c got better camera quality. Z3c battery life is awesome when running KK rom but in LP/MM it doesn't last much longer than Z1c/Z5c again, battery life and screen on time is ok now(z3c should better but not leading much now).

What I real don't like my Z5c is only the camera now, my Z1c(used stock cam mod) got better FHD and 4K quality(especially the 4K, quality isn't good). Photo and focus speed z5c win hands down though. I think the 4k recording driver isn't ready yet on IMX300 sensor, so Sony just took out this feature in the upcoming X series(all X got no 4K recording). Other things which I don't like including no photo bursting mode and 3rd party apps no 23MP option(currently only the latest Camera FV-5 pro ver access to 23MP).
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] harryw66:
Context: I owned the Z1C, then upgraded to Z3C and 2 months ago I got the Z5C.

As soon as my Z5C arrived, I upgraded to the MM 6.0 version OTA.

TBH after a few weeks, apart from the fingerprint scanner, I was underwhelmed with the Z5C - it felt slower and laggier than the Z3C and I really hated the lack of Stamina mode as I was now forced to charge it up everyday - as opposed to 2 days for the Z3C. A few other minor issues such as no ringtone on occasions when I got a incoming call and that it would not pair with my Xiaomi band.

But I decided to keep it anyway - hoping a future firmware upgrade would fix the issues. A few days ago I had some spare time so I decided to do a software repair to see if it would fix the above issues. Since the repair the the lag and slowness disappeared - the phone was as nippy and responsive as the Z3C - if not faster.

And this morning I got the 224 upgrade (OTA) and the Stamina mode so far looks like I will be back to charging every 2 days.

So, overall I am glad I stuck with the Z5C - I use the phone for work and they enforce a PIN code - which was annoying with the Z3C - but with Fingerpint scanner - I am saved from having to enter the PIN all the time.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] imhuy:
Just posted one here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=67348865&postcount=155
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
Very interesting to see the comments over the past few weeks. I did consider the Z3C, but it's only available in 16gb. That's partially taken care of by the SD card slot I suppose, but I'd much rather have 32gb on board plus the SD. Also, the Z3 uses the Snapdragon 801, which is the same processor as the Moto X 2nd gen, aka Moto X2. The Moto X2 is available in 32GB, is water resistant, has my beloved Active Display, and is a good bit cheaper than the Z3C on the pre-owned market ($160 vs $210 on average). Granted it's bigger, but only 1cm taller than my current phone and I would trade a little bigger for retaining Active Display. It doesn't have an SD card slot though, so that's a little... hrm. If the Z3C could be had for the same price as the Moto X2 then I'd probably pick one up just to see how I feel about it.

I bought a Motorola Nexus 6 for a friend of mine and I get to play with it till he comes to pick it up next month. I love the "Motorola feel," but damn the thing is huge. I could never own/use a device that big. But, playing with the Nexus makes me wish I could stick with Motorola and I began giving serious consideration to the Moto X2 again, even though I really wanted something newer than 2 years old. If only I could have caught the Spring Sale on the Moto Maker site when they were getting rid of the Moto X2 32GB for $150 brand new.

Otherwise it's back to waiting for a good deal on a Z5C, unless I happen to stumble on another worthy contestant.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] uchechris:
If i were you, i suggest you go to swappa and check out on the z5c, nowadays, they are getting cheaper and cheaper, now that the X series of the Xperia have been released, prices of the z5c have come down quite a bit
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
I subscribed to the Z5C category on Swappa a few months ago. The best price I've seen for a good condition phone is about $330. There's not very many of them posted though, probably less than one a week if I had to guess. There's only three up there right now. Two are at $450 and they've been there forever. The other is at $380, which is a good bit higher than the average. It's got a neat wood skin on it though. My Moto isn't broken, so I can afford to wait a while longer.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] chunt69:
I can only echo this post, I also had a Z3C and was underwhelmed and somewhat annoyed at aspects of the Z5C such as the harsh slowdown/throttling of the phone when it gets hot and general speed of the device in comparison.

since the latest update which I also received OTA it is much improved so I now have a phone that is slightly faster to use than the Z3C, a fingerprint scanner, better cameras and higher internal storage- I am a very happy Sony phone owner again.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
"Slightly faster to use than the Z3C" isn't very inspiring. Processor speed and size are the two main reasons I'm looking at the Z5C.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
You've got to take into account it's half the RAM with a 64 bit cpu
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
They both have 2GB of ram though. I've heard that 64bit cpus actually run a bit slower than a comparable 32 bit cpu, sorta like when PCs transitioned from 32 to 64 bit, but I expected the 810 to easily out run the 801 since the phones are a full year apart. Looks like I need to sniff around for some benchmarks.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] chunt69:
Performance is all relative- the Z3C was and is a fast little phone to use- it was never its problem.

So the Z5c being slightly faster with many other benefits to make it a relevant successor is a good result- compared to other phones of its size in the android camp its very fast :)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
64bit spend 20~30% more memory in windows or linux in my experiences(android is SE Linux) but it also provides 20~30% more of memory performance gain.

---------- Post added at 10:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 AM ----------

64bit cpu native supports 32bit no transcode.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
Newest benchmarking for z5c looks like some nice inflated numbers. I get around 48k antutu on lollipop now I see people are getting 80k on marshmallow.

Yup,and this is why there are pages of comments on this board of z5c owners complaining about memory issues and lag.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
That's very interesting. It seems like the M update really made the Z5C great on several fronts. Unfortunately, I just found out that my work is going to require me to carry a separate "work phone" soon. Or I can get around that by getting a dual sim phone. So I can carry two small phones, or one not-small phone. Just when I thought I had the phone situation figured out. Blast!
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] rtimoff:
Well, I just changed Moto X to Z5C. Z5C way faster, better screen, better battery life,, more storage. Finger sensor works very well. It is hot even when you take 5-10 pictures. Picture quality not as good as I thought.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] zacharias.maladroit:
Perhaps on Windows if programs weren't optimized and had/have to run via a compatibility layer or still 32bit and with restrictions

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/03...-compared-to-32-bit-arm-aarch32-instructions/

Provided apps and the whole android system is compiled with aarch64 instructions in mind you can get a nice performance speedup :)

with overclocking and thermal-engine adjustments the Z5 gets close to 100,000 ! :)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
http://xdaforums.com/lg-g3/development/mod-increase-fps-5-12-2015-t3107282

If you guys still think Z5c lag(my Z5c has no problem), try this Increase FPS mod and after used it my G3 MM a lots smoother now. The mod originally designed for LG G3 but many reported also works with other brand phones.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] mmceorange:
I've only had mine for a few days but so far I am impressed. Loved my Z1c for years, bought a Z2 to mount in my car.. Dropped the Z1c one day and cracked the screen, so I used the Z2 temporarily. Z2 is a great phone, beautiful screen, but it was just too big. Finally got a Z5c, and now it feels microscopic haha. It is nice to be able to reach the whole screen one-handed, but the keyboard feels cramped. Anyway, besides that it is a great phone (running MM) and the fingerprint reader is fast and consistent. When programming my fingerprint I moved each finger in many positions, and save prints for several fingers for different grips, including just waking up to read message while sitting on a table. I think that is the key to getting it to work well. Everything else works much more quickly than the Z2 (which is rooted MM) and I'm impressed with some of the features.. Particularly the lower minimum screen brightness. Though I really dislike the new "Stamina Mode" and it's notification instead of battery icon. And I don't like the app drawer setup. Also disappointed with the camera UI.. though it is an improvement over the LP version, It's still missing many manual options like the S7 camera app has; that app is awesome.

If I can port Small Apps to the X Performance I may upgrade to that as an "in between" screen size. The third party Small Apps replacements don't have the features I use :( (unit converter, currency converter, translate, active clip)
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
So I'm back with an update. After much shopping around and deliberation, I spotted a 2014 Moto X for a great price on Swappa and I picked it up. It's a 32GB Pure edition so it's fully unlocked like my 2013 Moto X Dev Edition. It runs MM and the Active Display function is slightly improved and way more sensitive on the new phone, so I love that. The screen looks great and the phone is noticeably faster than my 2013 Moto X, though not blazingly faster. I'm mostly happy with it... except I'm having a hard time adjusting to the size.

The 2014 Moto X has got a 5.2 inch screen, and while it has one of the highest screen-to-body ratios around, it still feels wide in my hand. The 2013 Moto X was just the perfect size and has the perfect feel. The Z5 Compact is actually 2.3 mm shorter, and is almost exactly the same width, though it has square edges and not the rounded back like the Moto. For those who migrated from the original Moto X to the Z5 Compact, how does it feel in your hand in comparison?

I had a battery issue today with the new phone so it's got me really thinking about switching back to the old one and continuing to search for a Z5 Compact. And searching is indeed the correct word. There's only one Z5C on Swappa right now. Why can't phones have upgradable internals like PCs? I'd be buried with my old Moto X if that were the case.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
I'm in the same boat except I'd be buried with my evo 4g lol those moto x's didn't have expandable memory did they?
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] harryw66:
Did not last - I cannot explain it but after finishing the 1st few days (post 224 update) with around 55-60% battery life and charging every 2 days, this figure started dropping - despite no real change in my usage pattern. I am now back to 35-40% battery at the end of the day. Some days it is worse. For the past 4 days I disabled Stamina mode and I still end up with similar levels of battery at the end of the day...

So, for me it seems that the return of Stamina was just smoke and mirrors on the part of Sony...
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] DrvLikHell:
No SD card slot on either Moto X. That's the only thing the phone is lacking. But with 32GB on board, it's never been a problem. The 3rd gen Moto X has an SD slot, but it's more Lenovo than Motorola. And the new Moto Z is completely Lenovo, so I don't count either of them.

Riding around in my truck today with my phone in my front pocket made it feel huge. How in the world do people tote around 5.7 and 6 inch devices? The Z5C is very close to going back on my shopping list.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] ASiX74:
My Experience

Hi ! I don't really know why so many people hate this phone because I really love it. I had a lot of Android and iPhones and the Z5c is perfectly balanced and functional. The screen is perfectly visible in sunlight because it has a low reflectivity and it responds perfectly. The camera is simply exellent with a 24mm wide angle lens and a great sensor. It's a bit harder to use than a nexus 6p camera with OIS but the dual aspect ratio 25MP sensor of the Z5c can do awesome pictures even in low light. The video capabilities are awesome : you can record in 4k with H265 ! The fingerprint scanner never fails exept with very wet hands and it's positionning is perfect. Whatsmore you get a fancy design with solid Gorilla Glass 4 and a built in noise cancelling system for earphones (i use it everyday it's awesome).

Antoine
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
Sony doesn't use gorilla glass FYI
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] flopower1996:
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z5-Z5-Compact-Z5-Premium/Glass/td-p/1033540/page/2

This guy from the community team says that it has gorilla glas.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] civicsr2cool:
I've researched the day lights out of this topic before buying the phone. For every oneperson you can find claimining it's gorilla glass there's 5 saying dragontail. Corning doesn't make frosted gorilla glass and dragontail has been specifically used on all xperia devices for the longest time. Either way it's a nice screen.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Many of us are either z1c/z2/z3c users. Z5c only good up until .224/.253 and all older firmwares are just a mass, we have to wait for more than half year for an expensive and new phone to real working as a daily driver is REAL unacceptable. We all know the hardware should be good just the software was very bad.

Furthermore, in some areas it actually lacks behind the z1/2/3 series. Battery isn't as good as Z3 and more easier to get hot bcoz of SD810. Camera at higher ISO worse than my Z1c bcoz 25MP at 1/2.3" made the pixel um become only 1.0 while 20.7MP 1/2.3" on z1c is 1.1um. My z1c consistently performed better at 400iso or up even 200iso. But sure Z5c focus and camera speed is a lot better.

If you look at the new line of Asus zenfone3. The 5.2" and 5.5" get used Sony IMX298(1.1um) is also clearly better than the 5.7" and 6.8" which is using Sony IMX318(1.0um) duing at low light with higher iso.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] tessorodesoto:
sorry pal, but you make no sense. Battery life is the same if not better on the z5c compared to the z3c using the same softwre version (MM, not LP) I like the z1c ND Z3C, but the z5c is just better than the former. furthermore, as most of the users are reporting, including myself, the last MM update just makes this phone crazy fast, it made me got rid of a S7.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] TheEndHK:
Z3c MM isn't fully optimized yet or never will be bcoz it already received many updates in the history from 4.4 > 5.0.2 > 5.1.1 > 6.0.1 probably Sony won't spend time on it again.

We'll see if any X Compact going to appear on IFA show next month but atm, we don't have a single bit info other than some rumors claimed on net.
[Xperia Z5 Compact General] Alex2221:
I'm still runnin LP stock with no root or modifications yet. Pretty much the only phone I ever had on which this status lasted that long.

If someone isn't sure whether he should buy this phone or not because of all the negative threads that are up here. Please consider that people that are unhappy with their experience are much more likely to go out here and complain than folks like me who just enjoy their nice phone.

Bought it about half a year ago for 450€ and never regretted that decision.
[LG Optimus G Pro] texaspride20:
Recently tried to update my recovery from Freegee's TWRP 2.6.3.3 to the latest TWRP 3.0.2.0 version. It flashed successfully, but I now get the "secure boot" error when trying to boot into recovery. My LG e980 is rooted (obviously) and SIM unlocked and I'm currently running the OVER ROM UX 5.0.

I'm just curious what the latest available "lokified" TWRP version is, or if there is some way to make the latest version work that I am currently unaware of?

Thanks for any assistance.
[LG Optimus G Pro] heimdallZ:
I found twrp 3 on lgviet and i flash it on my e980 and it work.but now i forget the link for download so you i have to search it on lgviet.com this recovery is made by Shield.
[LG Optimus G Pro] duongthinh441:
http://lgviet.com/forum/threads/spe...ta-ho-tro-gx-l-lr-gpro-240x-988-980-gk.36014/