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[Nexus 5X General] djibril13:
Thermal throttling temperature has to be the same with hotplug temperature correct ? But this setting on profile has 2 values 49 and 47. Which of these has to be added ?
[Nexus 5X General] Alcolawl:
I've always just made it the higher number because this is the Big cluster's throttling temperature. So, 49.
[Nexus 5X General] kimikim0:
waiting for update for n release, the current one not working :)
[Nexus 5X General] Alcolawl:
Really? I applied the extreme _v4 profile immediately after upgrading and the CPU hit some startlingly high temperatures (89C) for a second without throttling or hotplugging.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Set the higher number (49) as throttling in EX Manager.

I have not installed N yet, but I'll look into it soon.
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Do you mean that installer wont work or profile itself?
[Nexus 5X General] suku_patel_22:
The installer is fine on my device. I verified the thermal-engine-8892.conf file and it looks as expected.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
You can quickly verify if it's working with two small apps:

Trepn profiler and Stability Test.

Set an overlay with the big cluster frequency (CPU5) and run the Stability Test. Even with the normal profile (compare it to stock), the big cluster should stay noticably longer at higher frequencies.
[Nexus 5X General] valeron94:
Do these mods flashed with the zip work on Nougat?
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Yes they do.
[Nexus 5X General] ihaveatelephone:
Does N have some different thermal limits by default?

I noticed the Antutu score on N without the heavy profile matched the score of M with the heavy profile.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Did you run it multiple times? After the third time, the score should be significantly lower if thermal limits are similar to stock M. The biggest difference can be observed in the 3D benchmark of Antutu. If I remember correclty, at M's stock limit, it can't even complete it once without throttling.
[Nexus 5X General] ihaveatelephone:
I didn't run it multiple times but the stock score was around about 50k with the phone starting cool. The score with the throttling mod was around 70k. The score on N was also around 70k.

I probably should have ran multiple times to gain more information but on a single run it didn't seem to throttle on N like it did on M.
[Nexus 5X General] Midomad:
So for a normal user and for balanced results what zip should we use?
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
I'd say the heavy profile. The phone gets a bit warmer, but performance is much better. Impact on battery life (could be better or worse, depends on the tasks) should be negligible with normal usage.
[Nexus 5X General] :
hello, im thinking of trying this mod. does this help with performance or battery? :)
[Nexus 5X General] leo.best1398:
Just performance. Allowing the big cpu cores to work for longer is going to use a bit more power. It will only noticeably affect battery during intense use of the cpu such as games.
[Nexus 5X General] Midomad:
I will go with the normal one,is there something additional to do with EXM ?
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Yes, it's all described in the main post.

elemental/franco: core control enabled ; "thermal throttling" in kernel manger to 46
[Nexus 5X General] Midomad:
Yes noticied it,i was asking because after finishing the instalation with the aroma zip,i saw something like don't forget to...and i clicked finish
[Nexus 5X General] patadas:
Hi,

it is possible to throttle temp of a individual core rather then a all cluster?

best regards,

John
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Not as far as I know. You could ask in the threads of the various kernels, maybe the devs know how to do it.
[Nexus 5X General] gemj95:
Hey guys!

I'm using the "Extreme v4" Profile and since it's summer the phone shuts off the big cluster frequently... That's not a big deal because the phone stays super snappy: however, when the big cluster is off, for some reason ALL the 4 cores of the little cluster are capped to the absolute max frequency (1440MHz) without ever ramping down, and this causes an heavy battery drain (it has been 2 weeks that i'm barely reaching 2h SoT, even with different roms).

I'm using ElementalX (But i noticed this with Phasma too), and changing the cpu throttling threshold in the ElementalX's app between 40 and 80°C makes absolutely no difference.

Anyone has idea why? It's driving me crazy :/

EDIT: maybe i found the issue... i raised the max battery temp and the clear threshold to 44000 and 42000 respectively, and the cpu throttling threshold to 75°C and so far the frequencies are ramping up and down correctly.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
The throttle temp in EXkernel Manager only affects the temp at which the big cluster is shut off. Setting it above the recommended temps will cause them to never shut off and drain the battery. This might have been your issue. However, the extreme profile also raises the little cluster throttle temp significantly, which increases drain under high load. I would advise against lowering the little cluster throttle temp, though. Because the phone will become quite slow.

The battery monitor temp influences the charging current when plugged in and the screen is on. Increasing it can also increase the charging speed while the phone is used (but only slightly).
[Nexus 5X General] patadas:
And about undervolt?

it is possible to change in SnapDragon 808? could it fix my heat issue?

best regards,

John
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
I haven't heard anything about successful undervolting. But that's a kernel development topic and you should look in those threads.
[Nexus 5X General] Wolfensteinjd:
Has anybody had luck implementing this with magisk?
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Working on it. I already have working version for heavy profile, but it seems that I have to do 2 zip files one for general magisk module and another for AROMA selection. I think this will be ready soon.
[Nexus 5X General] Wolfensteinjd:
Rock on!
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
New updates for installers:

Installer v1.2:

* Support for magisk v6

Same installer now supports three types of installation methods:

- SuperSU systemless

- Magisk

- Classic system write

New files:

thermaltweaking_magisk.zip - bare bones magisk module for thermal throttle tweaking (uses stock thermal config by default)

thermal_tweaking_magisk_uninstaller_v0.1.zip - Magisk module uninstaller

Instructions:

1. You have to have magisk v6 or greater installed (for more information seek from magisk thread).

2. Flash thermaltweaking_magisk.zip

3. Flash installer thermal_tweaking_systemless_v1.2.zip

4. Select Magisk as installation type

5. Enjoy your flying hot potat.. phone :)

[MENTION=1138056]Razorless[/MENTION] you can update OP

New files temporarily from here:

http://drg.fi/misc/thermal_tweaking_systemless_v1.2.zip

http://drg.fi/misc/thermaltweaking_magisk.zip

http://drg.fi/misc/thermal_tweaking_magisk_uninstaller_v0.1.zip
[Nexus 5X General] Gabriel9:
Guys while i play World of tanks blitz the phone go from 61 fps to 10 in about 45 sec and It drive me crazyyy!!! I love the phone and I don't wanna fry it can enyone help a big noob to understand better what I need to do a video will just hellp me a lot . Please guys!
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Thanks, OP has been updated

Games with demanding 3D graphics will slow down on almost any phone after some playtime. I suggest you try the extreme profile, it should at least increase the time you can play without throttling. I ran extensive tests without the phone getting too hot and without any damage to the hardware. But as always, I cannot guarantee anything, use at your own risk.

Of course, you can also try monster or insane if you feel like it. I would not recommend that, though.
[Nexus 5X General] Gabriel9:
I solved it I am so happyyyyyy I only tweeked the gpu with the extreme v4 settings and everything stock and temperature ia about 55 and gaming is much better
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Glad to hear it helped. The game probably doesn't need a lot of CPU power, so using the additional thermal headroom only for the GPU could be the best option.
[Nexus 5X General] danmaman:
Hi Razorless

will this systemless.zip work also on 6p?

I'm found an engine for 6p but not systemless

running stock N --supersu Chainfire systemless -- elementalx kernel and app

thanks in advance
[Nexus 5X General] iPwn_:
Hmm the Aroma installer keeps telling me the Magisk thermal tweaking module is not installed. I flashed the module multiple times though.
[Nexus 5X General] Wolfensteinjd:
I had the same issue. It appears the magisk zip works (I ended up copying over my desired thermal-engine-8992.conf file manually). So that means the problem is with the Aroma installer.

I saved the Aroma log but I can't remember where it said the log was stored.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
The 6p's engine is different, you can take a look at this link. It's a mod that changes thermal limits amongst other things.
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Oh have to look whats wrong with the aroma installer. I do not use magisk so its tricky to test it out.

Releasing fix soon.
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Installer fixed:

Version 1.2.1

* Fixed magisk support

Can be found here:

http://drg.fi/misc/thermal_tweaking_systemless_v1.2.1.zip

Can soneone test it out and if it does say that magisk module not installed please send me recovery log!
[Nexus 5X General] Gabriel9:
I am on stock Kernel and I manualy ajusted the thermal throttle like that: put 10 degrees to GPU , CPU 4-5 Hotplug , LITTLE/BIG and now my phone is not throttleing down and I put All of of stress to it!
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
That's even more than the insane profile. It could actually be dangerous.
[Nexus 5X General] Gabriel9:
I tested it in games in benchmarks in daily use never go about 70 and when in reach this point will throttle the GPU/CPU but not that agresive: GPU to about 450mhz and the big procesors first down to 1440mhz from 1800 and then will stop them completly! but the phone is more fast than ever!:cowboy:
[Nexus 5X General] dirty_demon:
I'm still having the same dramas with the magisk install with the latest installer. I have grabbed the aroma log but didn't grab the recovery log. Next time I attempt it I'll post the recovery log
[Nexus 5X General] AG22:
I'm using stock N + TWRP + Franco Kernel + Heavy v5. What would br the best way to go back to stock thermal settings with this kernel? Would I have to re-flash the kernel?
[Nexus 5X General] Psychofrantics:
Just fladh the thermal tweaking uninstaller zip and change thermal limit to 44
[Nexus 5X General] AG22:
Thanks, I appreciate.
[Nexus 5X General] khanjui:
Franco has already 44 instead of 46.
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Sorry my mistake. Debugged my own code and now magisk should work. There was one typo in the code.

Installer update:

v1.2.2

* Final patch for magisk

Download here:

http://drg.fi/misc/thermal_tweaking_systemless_v1.2.2.zip

[MENTION=1138056]Razorless[/MENTION] it should work now so update OP and sorry for this :)
[Nexus 5X General] djibril13:
I have to install thermal tweaking zip or only systemless ? For magisk
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
The instructions were posted a few pages back in this post:
[Nexus 5X General] emiliobadillio:
I'm running stock nougat with magisk v6.

I've tried installing this multiple times, but after flashing the thermal tweaking magisk file and then flashing the thermal tweaking systemless v1.2 file, it said I didn't have the module installed and it needed that to be installed first.

What am I doing incorrectly?
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
It's a bug, try the 1.2.2 version of the installer.
[Nexus 5X General] emiliobadillio:
Thanks that worked. I didn't realize there was a v1.2.2.
[Nexus 5X General] Midomad:
If changing from mode to another(normal to extreme v4),do we need to use the unistaller first or simply modify from aroma?
[Nexus 5X General] khanjui:
Flashing should be enough.
[Nexus 5X General] zurik:
Can I install it on stock kernel? How to install it? At the line :, * only on stock kernel :hotplug big cluster 46/44, how to set it? Help please...

Δημοσιεύτηκε από Google Nexus 5X με Android 7.0 Nougat μέσω Tapatalk.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
It is all explained in the first post:

Either download the thermal-engines, replace the stock-engine and set permissions

Or edit the stock-engine yourself.

Or flash the installer

only on stock kernel :hotplug big cluster 46/44

This means that, if you edit the file yourself, this setting has to be changed only if you are using the stock kernel. When using elemental/franco kernel, this setting is ignored and does not need to be changed. But it doesn't hurt changing it on those kernels, simply won't do anything.
[Nexus 5X General] zurik:
I found on this thread one flashable zip with this setting for normal use....

Δημοσιεύτηκε από Google Nexus 5X με Android 7.0 Nougat μέσω Tapatalk.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
I updated the first post with instructions for the zip install. This will make it easier for someone new to all this.

If you do not know what magisk is, you can still use the installer with another installation method. Just leave out step 1 and 2 and do NOT select magisk as installation type.
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
Can I used extreme v4 on franco kernel?
[Nexus 5X General] Psychofrantics:
Yes. You can. But dont forget to change hotplug temp to 51 in any kernel app of your choice
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
How do you change it using kernel adiutor and is extreme v4 a better choice?
[Nexus 5X General] Psychofrantics:
CPU> Thermal>Temperature Throttle> 51

Yes, it is much better. You can also try heavy if you live in somewhat cooler climate

Try Kernel Auditor mode from XDA. It has that builtin.
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
I don't see a thermal temperature setting in kernel adiutor

---------- Post added at 06:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:22 PM ----------

Still don't see that option.. I'm wondering if it wasn't implemented in the kernel
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
I think this kernel adiutor mod is what was meant.
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
Yes that's the one I have installed.. But no thermal option.. Oh btw my bad all along.. I'm using frankenclark kernel.. Not franco
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
OK I've used the aroma installer and choose extreme v4.. When I go into the system folder however I see the original thermal file as well.. Is this OK or I should delete the original.. And should it say "thermal engine extreme"
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
Pic.. Using a moto x pure btw
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Only the system install method replaces the original thermal-engine. Systemless uses a different method of achieving the desired effects without actually changing files in the /sytem folder. So no, the thermal engine should not be named "extreme" and it doesn't matter if you still see the original file name.

Also, this only works on Nexus 5X. Other phones need different tweaks. Do NOT use the installer on other phones, it may lead to unexpected, faulty behavior or damage.
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
OK thanks.. Looking forward for some tweaks for the moto x pure.. Would be well appreciated by me and other users
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
The Moto X Pure has significantly higher thermal limits than the Nexus 5X. This is actually the first time that I hear complains about it. Or do you think it gets too hot and want to decrease the temps? I don't have the phone, so I cannot test anything. But I guess I could write a short post what values need to be changed in the engine. People would need to edit the file themselves, though. The "old fashioned" way, like this project started out.

Might also be possible to make the installer compatible, but that would have to be done by [MENTION=7547198]tohtorin[/MENTION].
[Nexus 5X General] ImQseft:
So wait, I'm a bit confused. Can anybody confirm if I did this right?

Note: I'm using ElementalX Kernel with interactive governor + GhostPepper

1. I downloaded and flashed thermal tweaking systemless v1.2.2 zip.

2. I chose the extreme v4 option (I hope I made the right choice).

3. I enabled core control, disabled msm thermal and set the thermal throttling to 51.

Anything I missed/did wrong or should I start to notice good changes now? Thanks!
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
If you're not using magisk, and did not select magisk as installation type, then you should be good to go. Systemless installation type only works as long as you're rooted, and should only be chosen if you are indeed using systemless root. System type works with any root method, and stays even after losing root, as long as the thermal-engine is not overwritten. Just as a reminder, since you didn't say what method you chose.

Using extremev4 myself and think it's the best choice, no issues so far.
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Of course I can do it. Although I obvioisly cannot test it at all because I do not own that device. Just bug me when ever needed.
[Nexus 5X General] ffonegod:
Wish I could help you more by testing the thermal limits but I'm a bit of a newbie on how to do that.. But the phone do lags while browsing or scrolling or just running certain apps.. I believe the throttling shuts off all the 2 big cores first that's needed for performance and gradually shuts the little cores after as the heat increases..this link more explains what I'm trying to say https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X...ermal-throttling-and-performance/td-p/3233883
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Let's continue this over at the Moto X's forum.
[Nexus 5X General] ImQseft:
If I use the stock kernel, are there other steps after flashing or am I good to go?
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
No additional steps required on stock kernel, so you're good.
[Nexus 5X General] :
hello, I would like to suggest to you to combine this mod from 6P's forum to your mod: Xthermal Mod not the thermal throttling for cpu+gpu as your mod already has it but the charging tweaks. thanks in advance! :o
[Nexus 5X General] tohtorin:
Charging current (battery thermal throttling) has been increased as well on this mod.
[Nexus 5X General] Flyview:
Be careful using this mod guys. I think my 5x just fried itself using the monster profile. I was charging it and scrolling through Instagram when the phone froze and started bootlooping. I did not find it to be especially warm (it got much warmer on other ocassions). Now it's only able to boot up for a few minutes after being in the freezer. I'm not sure if the issue is related to this mod or not.

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-5x/help/unbricking-bootloop-ing-nexus-5x-losing-t3479986
[Nexus 5X General] Midomad:
Did you try to install factory image?
[Nexus 5X General] khanjui:
That's true but battery monitor values are lower than Xthermal Mod. I think we can use same values.

[battery_monitor]
algo_type monitor
sensor xo_batt
sampling 10000
thresholds 48000 50000
thresholds_clr 45000 48000
actions battery battery
action_info 0 3

Instead of:

[battery_monitor]
algo_type monitor
sensor xo_batt
sampling 10000
thresholds 40000 43000
thresholds_clr 38000 42000
actions battery battery
action_info 0 3

For heavy and higher profiles.

If anyone wants to try, I made an Extreme v4 with battery settings from Xthermal Mod. Check the attached file. Don't forget to rename it as "thermal-engine-8992.conf" and set permissions to "rw- r-- r--".
[Nexus 5X General] Flyview:
Yes I did. The only thing I still haven't flashed is the data partition, but the fact that the phone works in the fridge is pretty bizarre wouldn't you say? Sounds like a hardware issue to me!
[Nexus 5X General] Midomad:
Sure.

If you already instaled factory image and erased all the modifications i'm sure it's a hardware issue.
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
That does not sound like it was caused by this mod. It would most likely shut down under heavy load and would be hot to the touch. Was it a demanding website? Like with flash or java?

It's not impossible, though, that something has been damaged because internal temps were higher, but that's difficult to verify. Are you sure the temps cause the bootloop? You could try putting your phone in a plastic bag and submerge it in cold water. See how long it lasts. Maybe something else is responsible. Are you on nougat (7)? I have heard rumors about bluetooth (and other things) causing reboots.

There was a thread, I cannot seem to find it now, that discussed the charging current. The conclusion was that raising the battery thermal limit does not seem to help charging faster with the screen on. There are most likely other variables (like CPU load) that affect this.

You could run some tests (using an ampere meter to measure charging current) with and without the higher battery thermal limit.
[Nexus 5X General] Flyview:
Yes I can't verify it was due to this mod. I was just scrolling on Instagram while charging. Phone was not as hot as I had seen it get before, so it may have been longer term damage or just an unrelated failure. Phone continues to work if put in the freezer but as it warms it starts to reboot until it can only make it to the white Google logo. I think the memory chip is somehow busted cause after a factory reset it worked for a while, but it incorrectly showed 10gb free (32gb model, sometimes happens after a flash). To fix that I had to do a factory reset from within the OS and once I did that it started rebooting again!

Yes, the charging current is based on both battery temp and CPU load. Now I have to decide if I'll still run this mod with my replacement, which Google just shipped out!
[Nexus 5X General] Wolfensteinjd:
This same issue has happened to lots of folks at random times. Many have been on pure stock. Bootlooping happened to me too. I got a replacement sent from Google.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/576zcw/issues_megathread/
[Nexus 5X General] Flyview:
Damn, so it's pretty widespread. Has there been any updates to the hardware? Now I'm wondering if I should just sell the replacement BNIB...
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
[MENTION=2584205]Flyview[/MENTION] also was on 7.0, might actually be related to the infamous Nougat bootloop and not this mod (though that is still possible, but I don't think so in this case).

Even though google said it's a hardware issue, they haven't said anything about updated hardware. It may be that the hardware in the Nexus 6P/5X has been changed somewhere after launch, but no official statement has been made, as far as I know.

From what I have been hearing, it seems to "only" be a softbrick after updating to 7.0. I have read that replacement devices also fell victim to bootlooping, and also that flashing back to factory 6.1 solved it. But nothing has really been verified sufficiently.

Also, from google'spoint of view it's a lot easier to hand out replacements than to say "use fastboot to flash stock image", cause most "normal" users would feel overwhelmed and abandoned.
[Nexus 5X General] Wolfensteinjd:
My bootlooping started a couple weeks after I first applied this mod and the same day I flashed a 6.1 security update. I was able to recover once or twice after flashing factory images but the bootlooping kept coming back with a vengeance.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the likeliest problem is that Google chose crappy internal storage. At first I suspected this mod, but once stock users reported bootlooping I knew that wasn't the case.
[Nexus 5X General] Flyview:
Yes I think it's the internal storage as well. What makes me think that is after a full factory restore the phone worked again, but as is common started showing only 10gb free space. Once I re-did the factory restore from within the OS (common fix to the 10gb free storage on a 32gb device), the bootlooping started again!

I am going to check the hardware revision number of the replacement and see if it is any different from the old one. Anyone know if the warranty restarts for the replacement, or is it still 1 year from the original? I forgot to ask that when I was speaking to Google. Edit: Only original warranty applies.

EDIT: Just received the replacement. It says manufactured 10/2015 whereas my original one was 09/2015, so chances of the hardware being different are slim...
[Nexus 5X General] Razorless:
Really sounds like an eMMC issue, as is being discussed in this thread.