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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] iron@ss:
It is the U.S. carriers that demand the mega locked down bootloader that makes their models unrootable. They are the only Galaxy S7's worldwide that have this. Even the only other country to have the Snapdragon 820 chipset, China, is rootable. See, U.S. carrier S7 models have locked bootloaders and no rooting
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] highland180:
Nice Job.

I'd be happy to add to the bounty on rooting the AT&T S7.

Count me in for $50.

Thanks!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] AlphaD1:
Perhaps in the bounty thread?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3392790
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] CVertigo1:
That thread has been closed.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] sonkameja:
Samsung can suck it all night long, free root free the boot loader

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Carrier iq fiasco wasn't that long ago, that along with handing over all your information to big brother via the carriers is not my idea of fun
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] brendan802:
Hellyeah to that. Who wants anyone monitoring everything we all do in real time. It is disgusting what our government can do with the laws that have changed since 9/11
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] JAYNO20:
It should NEVER not be an option. The phone can come locked with a list of reasons why you SHOULDN'T unlock it, but if you still want to you absolutely should be able to. This whole locking phones down for "your own protection" is BS. I want the freedom to do what I want on MY phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] AlphaD1:
*Insert foot in mouth*
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Gotroot:
Even if this just comes to temp root it will still be good for me.. which i have got use to no root anyway.. the phone is very nice without root anyway
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] TechBSwift:
Dude we need you, you broke ground on the s6 edge and brought happiness to my phone up until the day I sold it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Macguyver:
Will Temporary root allow me to uninstall FB, FB messenger, Hancom office, Lookout, Sprint ID, Sprint fun & games, instagram, memo, and some other crap I don't need? If so I'm happy with temp root even just to get rid of the stupid apps sprint put on my phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ShrekOpher:
The reason Samsung wants to deny root is Samsung Pay. They want you to use it and they don't want it removed.

Samsung wants you to use Samsung Pay because it makes them a TON of money. Over a 2 year period it more than pays for the entire device. They package up all of the marketing information they get from the users and sell it to all sorts of companies. Not only do they get to tag your age, location and amount to each purchase, they also can provide stats on what ads you viewed on your phone before you make the purchase. Most companies will pay between $0.20 and $10 per purchase for this information, it allows them to see how effective the ads they run are. Literally you using Samsung pay or Android pay generates thousands of dollars per user for either Samsung or Google over the life of your device. Its more important to them than you even buying the phone. If it catches on it may become more profitable for Samsung than even selling you the device. I hate to break it to everyone but as tap and pay replaces credit cards over the next few years ALL devices will become this locked down, there is just too much money on the table for both Samsung and Google.

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I know this because I have worked with many companies who buy this information. Also realize that not only Samsung and Google will offer tap and pay, I would not be surprised to see Facebook roll something out soon too. either way rooting devices is going to die a slow death, honestly I am just waiting for them to block it on Nexus devices.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hella356:
If root is temporary, does that mean the ability to install root apps, config changes, etc. while rooted, then it reverts back to non-root after reboot? As in, I could I add things that require root & they will continue to work after root goes away?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] _Dennis_:
[MENTION=5264497]ShrekOpher[/MENTION] so they don't want you to remove it, but you can still ignore it? I get they make money, just confused as to why they would stop you from removing it, but not require you to use it. Do they push it in the software (I use Samsung pay and android pay, so I don't know how pushy the software is if it's never opened)?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Casetheace:
SRS root on Twitter has tmobile current build as root able 3hours ago, when you run it there desktop application it states installing binaries, installing supersu apk, then success and the phone reboots, but there is no supersu apk installed and when you download any other supersu from playstore no binaries where ever installed. What jo they are! Unless it's me and I'm doing sometching wrong. Anyone else try it?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Xileforce:
As people have said before. The root community is so small relative to the user base that it's nothing to Samsung. That same community would be the ones not using Samsung pay due to tripping Knox. Thus it's an insignificant number to Samsung just the same.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] tongueman87:
It's sad that's all I can say. Why pay for something if we can't use it however we want
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] seanvree:
So I'm confused. Do we have permanent root just waiting on the method, or only temp root is verified?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] lost_:
- Useless Reminder - NM
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] rafael707:
A few people tried it a few pages back, apparently these SRS guys are **** with fake methods, someone mentioned that they are only trying to attract traffic [emoji25]
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] meraz9000:
1.)You will not get root with SRS root.

2.) You will not get root but running kingo or kingroot. PERIOD.

I have those apps installed because I needed a way to manage SU permissions. I'm able to make changes to system and they persist on boot....However this will never be 100% functional and stable enough without a custom kernel.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] canynballa:
Is a custom kernel achievable?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] YT-C10H15N-303:
They're tripping on root with Android Pay because hypothetically, and in theory, you could spoof data and make fraud easier for criminals.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] dr4stic:
My personal theory has nothing to do with payment apps.

I think it might have been in anticipation to lots of legislation being proposed to place "backdoors" on the end user devices sold in the US. In typical US government fashion, if backdoors are to be required, the responsibility falls on the OEM to maintain them. Additionally these bills being proposed make the OEMs liable if they were to refuse or be simply unable to access the device via backdoor. The easiest way to make to avoid legal problems with the government would be to lock the bootloader and make rooting and/or custom roms as impossible as they can.

The federal bills seem to be dead in the last incarnations, but California seems to be doing it's own thing, and carriers aren't going to change the bootloader policy by state. For Samsung I don't think it mattered that the legislation didn't pass, i don't think they really want people messing with their hardware to begin with. It'd be great if T-Mobile could actually change their minds, but it felt like a hollow promise when they initially claimed they'd try and address the issue.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] milojoseph:
Omg I just wish the o.p or devs in general would just post a thread about finding root or claim they did and close it. Then re-open when the guide is up. People use these threads to always talk about

Its fake

Samsung hates users

Tmobile suck

Switching to [insert crappy device]

Should I keep my boatloader

Etc etc

There are 5 threads available for that and we just flood them with discussion that are not useful that could just go on one thread. (Texkodus thread for example)

I love the discussion but every time I open tapatalk and see an unread message that i subscribed to, I think it's the dev ready to brick our device hahah. I know people will disagree and ready for the attack but plz guys hear or maybe others out :(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] CVertigo1:
[MENTION=7187684]ianmacd[/MENTION], the average American has their phone in their hand at all times. People constantly text and use social media while they are talking to people directly in front of them. It's sad really. It has made a lot of people socially awkward in our country. Some people don't have the ability to hold a conversation unless it's through text. Since everyone's hand is basically attached to their phone, it makes sense for them to have Android/Samsung pay. I don't feel the same way. When I'm out with people, I'm the one that leaves their phone down unless an important call comes in. I would trip KNOX in a heartbeat if I had the chance. My information is more secure after the bootloader is unlocked and all the OEM info gathering apps are gone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] TechBSwift:
Did you read my message? Idler1984 is the man you need to work with. He's already released a root for the s6 edge and he's already stated getting around certain pieces should be doable. Other than chainfire he may be the game to help you get supersu working
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ShrekOpher:
The root restriction is a requirement of the Credit card industry. Its the same reason Android pay won't work on a rooted device. Samsung Pay's security is built into the TW OS. the fear from the credit processing industry is that with root permission on the device you may be able to commit untraceable credit card fraud through the Samsung Pay app. In order to get credit card companies on board with Samsung Pay, Samsung had to lock down their phones. It is most likely part of the contract with the credit card companies, which is way more valuable then any group of users of their devices. Also It may just be a Samsung thing right now, but it is the direction the industry is heading. It will become common practice on MOST devices in the next 5 years.

If root apps are to continue many will need to be reworked so they can be used without root permissions in the future, otherwise they will be worthless.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hutson23:
I have tried Kingo Root and it failed..

What else did you do?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ianmacd:
You're stating this as if it's known fact, but is it fact or just supposition?

Can you please provide a source for this information?

It's alinteresting to note that Samsung Pay has also been launched in Spain, China and South Korea, and that Samsung's flagship phones are not locked down in those countries.

Nor are they locked down in the four other countries in which Samsung Pay is set to be launched this year.

Why wouldn't the credit card companies in any of these countries follow the lead of their American counterparts and insist on the same security measures?

I remain unconvinced that Android Pay and Samsung Pay have anything to do with the locked bootloader on American Samsung devices.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Binary100100:
This might be true but other rootable devices have Android Pay. Of course, once rooted the app will fail. But the other manufacturers don't ever go this far to block root.

As I see it, Samsung is so determined to force Samsung Pay onto their customers that it's all that they care about. They have no intentions on giving us root access. They could design their Samsung Pay app with the same safeguards as Android Pay (which requires to pass the compatibility test) else it will fail to fully function. They probably have it designed like that already. But they know that we (XDA) always find a way around. With Systemless Root, we have the ability to continue to use Samsung Pay. But of course that requires us to disable SU and Xposed first.

ref: http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/

ref: http://www.xda-developers.com/googl...-with-root-and-android-pay-in-the-xda-forums/

Personally, I think that Knox has a lot to do with it too. Based on my knowledge Samsung didn't start tightening the ropes until it came out on the S4 with an update in 2013. Ever since then it's become increasingly difficult to root their devices. So why would Samsung be trying so hard to keep us from tampering with Knox on the devices? I honestly believe that the answer to that question would likely lead to the tip of the proverbial iceberg of the question, "Why is Samsung so anti-root?"
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] MortimerR:
What's sad is that there are not very many devices available, unlocked, that work with US carriers that are high end/high tier models.

I've had to deal with a locked bootloader with my Moto X, and can't deal with all that again. Can't believe the S7 has so many positives, but just not able to use it.

Although I don't think the non root has anything to do with Samsung Pay. It would just get disabled on that device if it had root. I doubt Samsung would care, as the number of devices that would constitute would probably be less than 1% of the total S7s it sells.

Not to mention, the Exynos variant is rooted.

I think it has more to do with the carriers, Samsung and Qualcomm all working together to prevent root. I don't understand why Qualcomm would do it really. If anyone knows anything more about trade laws and security laws, it could have something to do with that. The only reason I know of that carriers always block root (vzw, at&t) is so people can't get rid of their crappy software as well as being able to block any of their updates. But, to go so far and outright prevent it takes a lot of consideration and man power, to make it impenetrable. That much effort and time...seems like there must be a very good, very big reason behind it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] UnixSlayer:
The reason is.... they can go through your phone behind the scenes, and check your texts, emails, pictures, phone calls, and anything else you save, or download on it. The FBI doesn't have to go through what they did with Apple to unlock. When you root, they can't see anything anymore. Just like you receive no more OTA's.... Big Brother is always watching....

Sent from my unrooted #BootLoaderGate SM-G935T
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] stang5litre:
Pretty positive I know someone to do the kernel. Pm.

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Samsung is about Security that's why. They have tons of contracts tied up in it and make $$$$.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] v8dreaming:
There's already a thread about the bootloader (broader) in the questions forum.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] dredq:
Link? Thanks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] sonkameja:
Stock device provides an idiotic amount of information for samsung and their marketing partners. Why can't they sell non branded phones like international markets. T-Mobile doesn't subsidize not even a penny for my purchase and I don't want anything on my phone to do with T-Mobile. Just the sim card. Beyond that if I want to install bloatware I'll go do it on my own.

Honestly if we proved they were selling our information to any company without our approval I smell a class action lawsuit.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Binary100100:
What makes you think that they don't already? It's probably buried deep within all of the terms and conditions of either the paperwork that comes with the phone or on their site or during registration of your Samsung account, etc. I'm sure that somewhere in there is a privacy and some mention of third party there. Since this might be the case, not sure how the class action would go since the consumers (us) agreed to those terms.

I'm not an expert in tort law but I'm pretty sure that the only way that the consumers would win in any kind of lawsuit would be if said information was compromised. So in theory, if we ever received proof that some random company out there has our "secure" information that was originally only available to Samsung (and the agreed parties within compliance of the terms and conditions) and IF we could provide evidence of the fact then I'd say we could have a chance. Of course, Samsung would settle but nothing would ever change except perhaps their "security measures" would would only mean a more "secure" system would inevitably be bad for us. That's what I think anyway.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ShrekOpher:
Foreign countries do not have the same laws related to credit card fraud as in the USA. For instance in Spain the vendor is responsible for the fraud, meaning that if fraud happens at a store in Spain the store itself has to eat the cost, where in the USA the credit card company eats the fraud cost.

I know this from working years in the credit card processing industry, and currently working in IT for a large company who is in the process of setting up Tap and Pay devices across 37 different countries. These are not assumptions they are facts I have been given by the credit card processing companies we work with.

If you don't want to believe the truth that is up to you. I am just sharing the knowledge I have learned from my job. There is no motive for me to come in here and spread rumors.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ianmacd:
I believe the truth whenever I'm lucky enough to chance upon it, but this is the Internet, my friend. Anyone with fingers at the end of his arms can type whatever he wants and claim it as fact. I owe it to my intellect to attempt to verify the claims that others make.

Now, I don't doubt that different countries have different laws regarding credit-card fraud, but that wasn't what I questioned in your original posting.

You claimed something very specific that only an insider could know, namely:

The claim of this very specific requirement of Samsung, allegedly made by the credit-card companies, is what I asked you to provide a source for. Note that I didn't call your word into question. I merely asked you to provide a source to support your claim.

Unfortunately, you haven't yet provided a source, so let me just ask you a simple question instead: Are you privy to specific information pertaining to contract negotiations between Samsung and the credit-card companies, or are you simply extrapolating from your industry knowledge what you think probably happened?

No offence intended here. I'm just trying to distinguish fact from plausible fiction.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] stang5litre:
Can we keep this thread on topic please? This isn't about privacy etc. I see this thread getting shut down if this keeps happening. Get each other's hangouts or telegram if you want to chat it up.

Sorry for the ping everyone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] v8dreaming:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3358984
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] yourbrotherrex:
A custom kernel is not achievable without full root, including an unlocked bootloader, which provides access to the kernel partition.

Think back if you had a rooted HTC device that was still S-on (essentially, "bootloader still locked") ; you could flash roms, but you couldn't flash any AOSP roms or any rom that had a custom kernel.

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He just told you, specifically, that Kingo Root would fail.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ShrekOpher:
I'll take it offline and send you a PM.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] gforceriders:
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-sd820-version-rooted-successfully-20160614/
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] v8dreaming:
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Still more interested in what this guy is doing. Bootloader unlocked.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] npjohnson:
No offense. Unless you have something massively more magical than root, there is zero way you could modify /system or go permissive.

DM-Verity flags (which is stored in the cryptographically checked boot image) cannot be disabled without a bootloader unlock. And, remounting /system R/W even once would prevent you from being able to boot the device. Look at Google's DM-Verity explanation page for info on this.

Snapdragon Samsung Kernels force Enforcing SELinux, and disable to switch to go permissive, so, without running a custom kernel, going permissive would require something like module loading, which can't be re-enabled, as this device's /dev/mem channel is closed by SELinux... Kind of a catch 22.

You can't run a custom kernel with root... For that you'd need to unlock the bootloader, which, from the sounds of it you have not done.

If you want to prove root, run uname -a as root, as well as id, and take a photo of the devices Bootloader screen. That would be enough proof that you rooted the device, and wouldn't require you share the method you've come up with.

That would prove 1. You are running a stockkernel, 2. You are running as roots GID, and 3. that this is a TMO varient.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] the Doctor:
REMINDER:

Please keep your posts on-topic and be respectful to other forum users. If you aren't sure what the topic is, then re-read the OP. If you want to discuss why Samsung and Qualcomm have locked down the S7, privacy concerns or anything else loosely-related to root but is not the topic of this thread, you may start another thread.

Thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ShrekOpher:
Just curious, isn't it possible to use System-less root without a custom kernel. I know on the Note4 I owned you could get root with the systems- less SuperSU and still use the stock kernel. It did limit a bit of the root functionality, but it was still a persistent root even after boot. I'm not sure if this applies to this device as well, I am just speculating.

I agree though that without an unlocked bootloader many of the functions you would want from root will be impossible but system-less root is better than no root at all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] CVertigo1:
As far as I know, system-less root requires an unlocked bootloader to patch the factory kernel.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] ianmacd:
Yes, that's exactly what I do on my devices.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] kmcphee:
Thank you for all that you ate doing for us I can't wait for root (yes I can) thank you from the bottom of my heart
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] npjohnson:
It isn't system-less root.

The bootloader signature checks the ramdisk by sig checking the hash of the entire boot image. System-less root would break that and cause the bootloader to refuse to boot the kernel.