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[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spacecat:
To be honest mate I TRIED to love the ATHENA i had.

what i posted is a comical but Serious description of what it felt like

using it on a daily basis..

I paid big bucks £350 and sold it for about £280 so it cost me approx

£10 per month for the 7 months i had it.

Believe me I really wanted to WANT it but the reality just became too much of a royal pain in the butt

Now i feel like i have the best of Both worlds. I can go ultra mobile with my viewty and i can go portable with my EEE when i want to have that bigger screen FULL XP experience .

I dictate the choice of what i want to use not feel like the device is dictating to me how it should be used.

You hit the nail on the head about having 2 or more devices and using them as you see fit IT MAKES SENSE.

The ATHENA for me TOTALLY compromised MY CHOICE and i am much happier now i am rid of it. Im not saying thats the case for everyone but certainly its MY experience which is all anyone can talk about
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
Leoni,

I got mine as a present so it did'nt cost me 800 dollars. So if what you're saying is the less you pay the more objective you can be, then I'm among the most objective person to judge the useability of Athena. I'm not sure that's the reason why they jear nothing in the way of criticism. I believe a more plausible explanation is that different people have different need and requirements. Not everyone is looking for the smallest phone in the world, although I'm sure there will be individual who would say anything other than the smallest phone in the world is a complete crap. If their needs are met, they do not have that strong a reason to so vehemently and negatively criticise the device.

I think from the poll thread, you should be convinced that your statement is not supported by facts. You can't argue that because less than half the world population uses Athena, one could conclude that most people reject Athena, right?

Again, I think this is unsupported speculation. Did you not read the Gartner's report that I posted showing that in the market voice enabled devices, Windows mobile is the undisputed leader and that market share is rapidly expanding? We're not interested in devices which are pure phone only here. It may be true that 99.99% of the world population do not want a data device and are happy with a pure phone, but that's not the market segment we're discussing here.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
I apologise Eaglesteve, my comments about cost versus objectivity were just facetious, I didn't mean to upset you. Boy that's an expensive gift though!

My comment about people finding it silly: please just counter this by saying it's unfounded. I agree that it was unfounded, but at the time I felt like making a sweeping statement. I hadn't any polls to back up MY point but if I were to enact a poll of who found the Athena silly and who didn't I wouldn't post it on an Athena forum: that would be like having a gay rights rally on the Westboro Baptist Church's front lawn.

Nokia are statistically the undisputed leaders in the Mobile Phone market.Symbian are statistically the undisputed leaders in the Mobile phone OS market I can't be bothered to reel off the data here but you can merrily google it if you genuinely believe it's unfounded. Whilst on that topic, If you wish to add pocket pcs, satnavs, electronic scanners, top of the range washing machines and other appliances with embedded windows CE into a mobile phone statistic then I won't argue with you, but just try taking a phone call on a washing machine.

I have considered your statements Eaglesteve and I agree with your point that the Athena is right for you, but it just didn't work for me. It appears you are more important than me and therefore need to do more important things like check stocks and stuff; I just want to ring & text people, and prat about on the Internet taking part in frivolous and fruitless forums.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
Leoni,

I respect you for being fair. You're right, this is the wrong place to poll silliness of Athena and your analogy using gay right movement is humorous but accurate. Take any gadget in the world and poll it to the rest of the world, we may get the same result, unless more than half the world population love that gadget. The majority of the people are likely to be indfferent one way or another though.

Please do not say I'm more important than you. All of us are equally important. Like you, I spend too much time prat about on the internet and taking part in frivolous and fruitless forums:). I blame it on Athena because this device give me true connectivity with the world anywhere, anytime.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
re: "My comment about people finding it silly: please just counter this by saying it's unfounded. I agree that it was unfounded, but at the time I felt like making a sweeping statement. I hadn't any polls to back up MY point but if I were to enact a poll of who found the Athena silly and who didn't I wouldn't post it on an Athena forum: that would be like having a gay rights rally on the Westboro Baptist Church's front lawn."

that wasn't a dig at you Spacecat. In all fairness there were a few leading questions in your poll but if nothing else it's stimulated some hot debate. I don't like being disagreed with all the time though....I'm only voicing my opinion :(

Eaglesteve: I seem to talk with you more than my work colleagues, and you're always in the same threads. Maybe you are actually really me and I'm having some kind of existential episode.

Better get my tablets out.....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] supergadget:
leoni1980 says: "Eaglesteve: I seem to talk with you more than my work colleagues"

May be your guys should be working together.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eagle 1:
maybe eaglesteve and leonie1980 should open their own thread, so they can debate, discuss and disagree with each other instead of debating about things not related to the current threads. You two seem to debate or disagree (and sometimes agree) on most threads, even if your disagreements have nothing to do with the topic being discussed...

They must look for the others comments so they can comment on the comments

Sorry Guys....Just Kidding!

Wasn't this thread originally about the Shift?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] supergadget:
Agree.

So back to the topic.

Can Shift really make phone call?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
you're absolutely right. I usually realise this halfway through my replies. I try to stick to the topic in hand, I really do, but someone always coaxes me off-topic.

I think the Shift has been forgot about now though in all fairness...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
Sorry eagle1 from eaglesteve. Yes, we've wondered hopelessly off topic, have'nt we.

Looks like I not only have something in common with Leoni, but also with you, in name at least:D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
Yes it can, Olipro said so; but since the Shift won't arrive until the apocalypse...

Who cares.....

Can my washing machine REALLY clean clothes effectively at 30 degrees?

Oops, wrong thread....
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eagle 1:
Is that celsius to fahrenheit?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] supergadget:
Leoni,

Thanks for your reply. If shift has gps, window mobile, and phone, would't it be the first in the first with such capability? I quite like the idea of carrying just one device with a bluetooth to use the phone. The only concern I have is the battery life like you guys said.

I tried searching for confirmation (other than the developers of this forum) on Shift's phone ability. I heard that in Taiwan, the shift has no phone call feature. So I'm confused.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
It's phone-enabled to my knowledge, though in some regions they might disable it. As it stands the battery is 'rated' at two hours for windows use. In real terms this means '2 hours under optimum conditions'.

It may be that HTC are delaying the device to improve the battery, but if that isn't the case I suggest you don't touch it with a bargepole if you want a reliable call-handling device.

Try the oQo version 2 for HSDPA and a TINY umpc. it's equally pretty (if not prettier). You could always keep your windows mobile phone instead of having a pc with windows mobile on it....that always struck me as a fruity concept :eek:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
supergadget,

There is actually another forum dedicated to Shift if your interest is that. See here

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=393

Leoni and I are in complete one voice over the merits of Shift, but you should make your own mind. Research thoroughly and analyse your own needs carefully before spending such large sum of money is my only advice to you. Otherwise, if you buy out of impulse, you'll just end up selling it very quickly.

In fact, since there is already a forum dedicated to SHIFT, this thread might perhap be closed.... unless if want to turn it into the spacecat/leoni/eaglesteve private forum on N800/N96/Viewty/eeePC/Linux versus Athena/Window ce... Nah... unless we can all be capable of fair and non-emotional discussion.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spacecat:
I im not botherd about that , lets face it the most interesting place to talk about gayrights would be on Southern Baptist website. Why preach to the CONVERTED.

I think this thread 'SHIFTED' .....good pun eh?

because we all Know that the **** sorry i mean SHIFT! is a gonna be a pile of ****!

Like an even Bigger ATHENA without GPS , awful battery life and if you look a twat making a call on an ATHENA what the F**k are you gonna look like doing it on a SHIFT!

What amazes me is all these super BUSY, HI TEch guys, doing TOP SECRET highly intensive work on their ATHENA's who seeem to yet find the time to post on this site every other minute :)

No digs at anyone ...........whistles out loudly .......:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] newuser888:
Why are you ****ING your own thread so bitterly? You look like the biggest fool I've ever seen.:D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spacecat:
you seem to be under the delusion that i actually give a ****!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] newuser888:
If you actually enjoy this, you must be also the sickest person I've met. :D

Pretty disappointed with your own poll, are'nt you? Still saying that your second question means half of them support your claim? Or should they go by your first post which means people find Athana okay as a phone?:D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spacecat:
approx 50% are non committal so they dont care either way. the fanboys who love it and those who think its crap are roughly equal right now.

NOW the fact that i posted this on a site where people are guaranteed to LOVE this device

i think the fact that as many people think its crap as think its good is suprisingly HIGH.

i expected more people to say it was great than crap.

If i the sickest person you ever met ,YOU DONT GET OUT MUCH.

im suprised at how people are offended by a little colourful language sheesh bet you guys are fun at a party. When you look up from your shoes :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spacecat:
your probably wondering , how can i post so fast in 2 forums

cos im on an EEE pc hooked up to the net superfast using a keyboard that actually works!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] muhelen:
HTC Shift Videos

This is certainly a cool device. I could still remember how XDAII was creating a buzz when it was introduced. Certainly Shift has the same effects.

I have created a Video galleries specially for HTC Shift. Here is the videos :

http://mobileasean.com/index.php?cat=HTC+SHIFT
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spacecat:
i think the general consensus here is that the SHIFT is crap and i say that without fear of CONTRADICTION... still its nice that you actually wanna talk about it :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] spzero:
LOL :)

la da da text too short
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
Hmm. The same size as an EEE - 4 times the cost.....bigger than most UMPCs on the market for the same money. poor battery life, abysmal resolution (for a device in this price bracket) which is partly dictated by the resolution capabilities of windows mobile - which in itself is an unecessary inclusion given that most people on these forums could just keep their current windows mobile devices and buy a smaller UMPC if they needed a UMPC. unprotected screen for carrying it on a daily basis necessitates a bag, which makes the windows mobile inclusion even less fruitful, platter hard disk (I wouldn't carry it with an Athena nearby!). Big Big Big. Produced by a company with no direct experience in the field charging more than companies with LOTS of experience in the field...who would you put YOUR trust in?

I'm starting to like the Athena again the more I look at this thing.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] alexdski:
I had an HTC Shift for two weeks conducting a trial for work.

Two FACTS:

It is NOT voice capable.

Internal GPS is NOT present.

This is without doubt HTC's most useless device all things considered.

I doesn't know what it it, it is not best in field by a long long way.

DO NOT BUY A SHIFT, unless it's as a toy for a child.

Feel free to contact me with specific questions, I'll have it on my desk for another month or so.

Without doubt my Tytn is better for everything, (except watchint video)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tootallk2000:
I suggest you send it over to lxtda let him cook something up for it. I might be wrong, but from the preview videos I saw of it, they said it had a modem in but no voice capabilities, and it had GPS antenna too. Again I may be wrong. Try installing skype on it and see if that works for ya. How quick is the boot up of XP, as compared to WM?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] wu5262:
I don't understand why some of you wants to compare Shift with all other PDA or Phone....look, open your eyes and wake up, Shift is not a mobile phone or PDA, it's a UMPC. Just because HTC are known to make PDA doesn't mean all their product is PDA!!! Stop compare Shift with PDA, compare it with other UMPC, then you will find a whole different story, it runs well, have the best form factor and lots more.....maybe not the best UMPC out there but certainly one of the better one, and it simply can not compare with Tytn. There are just so much more the Shift can do that the Tytn can't, why? because Tytn doesn't run Vista and it's not a computer. It's a pity that some people can't get this logic right...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] yetdy:
The ***** Cat from Space

Wow the ***** Cat from Space is still here... Still up to your same old antics again... Watch out everyone... The ***** Cat from Space will piss on anyone contradicting his precious EEEow!!!!

Seriously, why bother with an Asus EEEow PC. Majority of us have a PC or two at home or work. The Shift or Asus EEEow might be a good topic to discuss. It has its own features to boot. Frankly, as far as the evolution of mobile computing is concerned, if you have a PC or Laptop(I have 2 laptops and 2 PCs) at home or work, why bother bring them out with you on the field or where ever. Bringing an athena is still better.

1. As big as the 2 UMPC are, you cannot take them to the toilet when you are taking a crap and read ebooks or RSS or whatever you fancy.

2. Let's see you hold anyone of the 2 UMPCs while lying down and reading ebooks. It is hard enough with an athena, more so with a UMPC.

3. Let's say someone was able to hack through both devices, and was able to bring phone calls possible to both devices, if making a call through the athena is irritating and funny already, Imagine holding up anyone of the UMPCs to your ear just to answer a phone call. People will laugh their hearts out if they see you do this.

4. True, UMPCs can have a faster internet connection than an athena maybe even a sony viao. However, EDGE's speed has already doubled without any tweaking to be done on our current devices. It would just be a matter of time before they do the same for other 3G or 3.5G formats currently being used out there. If HTC is still releasing athena type devices, then it means our athena whether x7500 or x7501 are still relevant and will not yet be obsolete. They might still live long enough to see higher internet speeds....

In conclusion, each type of PC, UMPC, PDA, PPC have their own uses. Some may be more expensive than another, some may be cheaper like the Asus EEEow or is it mEEEow? Comparing each from different classifications to another is very unfair. The Asus EEEow has already proven its worth in term of price(only), its built in linux is crappy but all in all you get value for your money. Othe the other hand, the Shift is trying to converge both mobile and UMPC technology. This is why people would like to compare it with both a PDA and UMPC. However, this is the first step to getting better and better devices. If we deny these devices the chance to be tried by other people just because we do not like it, mobile technology will become stagnant and we will end up with Asus EEEow for the rest of our lives and I say EEEow to that!

Hey ***** Cat from Space, I don't give a F**K that you don't give a F**K on anything posted by anyone in this or any other thread. I just want to tell you that mEEEowing about your Asus EEEow will not make people like your EEEow more. On the contrary, they will like their Athena more.

PS. Don't antagonize anyone here. You will not like it when people here get fed up again with your EEEowing attitude.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] toyfreak:
Don't waste your time with this... spacecat hasn't posted in 2 months and was (is?) banned or maybe he just picked up his EEE and went home...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] yetdy:
awww... shucks! I was hoping to pick a fight with the cat... :)

Anyway, not that I'm hoping for him to come back but I would like to see his face when he reads my post and knows that he can no longer reply. =)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
Right:

The reason The Shift is compared to PDA's like the Athena is becasue it runs a form of windows Mobile 6. This is the ONLY THING that separates it from any other UMPC on the market. It's form factor is no different to other slidey keyboard UMPCs that have been available for months with equal or better battery life and screen resolutions.

So if the only outstanding feature of the Shift is its WM6/Vista functionality then the logical response is: how practical is this dual functionality and does it compare to the 'convergence' of devices such as the Athena - which has a comparable resolution and a much smaller form factor, coupled with greater battery life and better connectivity options.

This is why the comparison was made.

People in the market for UMPC will not go for the Shift in their droves as its maker is still unknown outside of the PDA field. I've been lucky enough to hold and (briefly) use a Shift and in my opinion its build quality and screen quality is nothing on the oQo's the Samsungs and Sonys and the abysmal two hour battery life with Vista makes me wonder if it would even be worth bringing out.

To be honest I don't even like using Vista when I'm at home.

Having a full OS available on the move is desirable for me, so I got rid of my Athena and bought a smaller phone with an EEE. It might not offer anywhere near the same 'frills' as the Shift but it's not much bigger, has twice the battery life, the same screen resolution and costs a quarter of the price. Having Vista available to me for two hours (max) for an outlay of £800+ is just not good enough. The eee isn't for everyone but does the job well for me. I feel that the only reason to get a Shift is as a geeky gadget to show your friends: I'd love to know how many actual businessmen have the Shift in their briefcase.

Poor show HTC.

But if you're not bothered about having a full OS the Athena is the only viable option in terms of connectivity, size, battery life and screen resolution.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] wu5262:
I am sorry to disagree with you, but i don't think Shift can be compare to PDA, it can only be compare to other UMPC such as EEE and OQO.....etc. Yes, Shift's dual mode make people think it's some sort of PDA, but after all, you are paying more on the Vista side, think of PDA mode as a bonus in Shift. If Shift only runs Vista, there will still be people buying it, why? form factor and the connection ability. I am afraid i have a different view point about form factor then you, i truly think the form factor of Shift is great, and THERE ARE NO OTHER UMPC which has the same factor.

If you have read enough review, you will notice almost all if not all say the form factor is a big win here along with good build quality. If you are familiar with UMPC market, you will then know Shift it's the smallest 7-inch UMPC out there and people are also saying it's got one of the best keyboard they have ever experience. Sure, build quality might not be as good as oqo and sony, but you do realize they are asking a lot more money for their device.

Again, Shift is quite unique because a few point:

1. One of the few (if not the only) UMPC out there which has touch screen with Complete connection option (HSDPA.....)

2. Form factor, no other UMPC have this form factor, UMPC experts in for example UMPC Portal also agree this form factor is the best form factor for UMPC.

3. The bonus of PDA, which makes this device unique in UMPC, no other product out there are like this, you can use it like a PDA for more then 2 days.

May i remind you the reason i like about Shift is because it's uniqueness in a few areas. And most importantly, i have the need to run Vista on the go, yes i know battery life is not good, but i have bought an external battery and now i can run Shift under vista for more then 18 hours....

So again, whether this device is for you is largely depends on what you are going to do with it, Shift won't suits everyone's needs, but it certainly suits mine.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] yetdy:
To each his own. Good points you guys made. I think you've already stressed your points. Now, it is up to the other readers to decide what will work for them. :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] leoni1980:
"i have bought an external battery and now i can run Shift under vista for more then 18 hours....

"

18 hours???????

Is it a power station on wheels?

I'd like to get one of those!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] greatestkelvin:
does anybody want a 2 week old HTC Shift

please let me know if any of you guys are interested. Message me. Put your money where your mouth is and buy this off me.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] cmonex:
1) it is voice capable, HTC artificially limited the software

2) GPS is present in hardware and in software (just HTC hid it from you)

3) send me the shift, i'll unlock the 1) and 2) :P