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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
actually i was just using my sda, for gaming (emulators) ill have to say the Omap processor was faster, but for menus and peformance the kaiser was faster, stuff just loads and renders faster on the kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dizzy33:
Absolutly wrong !!! My old HTC Prophet (OMAP 200MHZ) was performing much faster than my brand new Kai****. My Prophet was overclocked at 240 Mhz, and everything was going faster than my 400 Mhz Kai**** (games, windows menus, GPS applications, emulators, screen rotation, etc...).

I sold my Prophet a few days ago, I had to power it on to delete everything on it, I didn't use it for several weeks and was very surprised how fast he was compared to my Kai****. For a second, I thought about wich one I had to sell ...

Finally I decided to wait for the "????" (driver ? patch ?) anounced by HTC ... I hope I won't regret it !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stolli:
i dunno...i just got my kaiser last week..and so far its clearly running faster then my 240 overclocked wizard....but im still waiting patiantly for somebody to develop some drivers:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iatropoul:
Guys thx for all the info! A colleague of mine has a qtec S200 and it is clearly better than kaiser in all aspects! Faster menus and games! Maybe kaiser is a bit more stable because of the large ram! Nothing more! I say that because everyday I can see these two devices (I own the kaiser) in action! That's why I developed these theories! TI OMAPS don't have 3d/2d cards but voila! They do the job pretty well! And on the other hand HTC claims that kaisers have a 400 MHz cpu! What about the second? So count one miss for the graphics accelerator and a second one for the secondary cpu guys! And the funny thing is that we dont know if the 400 MHz cpu that operates in this device, is the arm11 one! Understood?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] notten:
I think this whole nonsense about the ARM11 not being used is just that. Nonsense. But if you insist on confirming it here's a link:

http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0211i/apbs06s01.html

Assemble, link, cry.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
I recall a 2gh AMD athlon was quite a match for a 3ghz P4. Clock speed isn't revelant for assessing computing power.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dizzy33:
The S200 (HTC Prophet) is really a good device, and very cheap now !

I started a thread about this device I had, to compare it with the Kaiser ...

Here is the thread :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=349847

You will know all I found about the differences between the S200 and the Kaiser ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iatropoul:
notten can you be more specific? All I know is that htc speaks for a 400 MHz Qualcomm processor! What about the second one? So if what they say is true they dont use the second cpu, because they don't mention anywhere that there is one! The fact that qualcomms have 2 cpus is irrelevant because htc claims that we must see only the devices' specs! So it's not just about the gpu; it's another extra but idle secondary arm cpu that it's meant to be using the radio! Even if the secondary arm9 is the idle cpu think of the power loss! Ok?

And now for the real one billion dollar question! How can an arm9 200 MHz cpu with inferior architecture be more effective than our weaknesshouses if kaisers utilize the big arm11 monster? :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] guizzzmo:
dump wce_rex.dll kaiser

if you want this file wce_rex.dll from kaiser, please contact me julienthebird@free.fr by mail
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tna:
Well, I have the wizzard and it is slower than Kaiser. As simple as that!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Following up, guizzzmo didn't understand the issue that one can't just copy the wce_rex.dll off a running device.

So still looking for help with this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KraFT_mk:
This just came out on Expo.

Its made by HTC .

T-Mobile MDA compact IV – multimedia pro with 3D touchscreen

HSDPA technology, an exclusive T-Mobile design, 3 mega-pixel camera and 4 GB internal memory – these are just four of the features of the MDA compact IV. This cell phone has a smooth comfort factor thanks to the new (???) 3D-animated interface on the large touchscreen (640 x 480 pixels).

3D Multimedia pro???

Anyone can check this for drivers ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iatropoul:
Why? Is this qualcomm 7200 based device?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Until someone looks more into it, just because a device is being released that is 3D accelerated, doesn't mean it is part of the MSM 7200/7500 chipset.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
Any news from miss Schultz ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zagan:
no idea if this program/driver helps yous here.

http://www.gapidraw.com/

But that's a 3d game render/driver for WM2002/2003 WM5/6(std/pro)

may help no idea really.

This was developedby MS, but they have "directplay" as a version of directx for PDAs now.

This GAPI seems tohave been past onto another company and they have since developed it further.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Nothing so far. I will follow up on the email... hate it when people just ignore serious emails, really bugs me.

Could be a good thing though.. they could be considering it and looking into the issue.. I doubt she would just ignore the message.

EDIT: followed up with another email. Hopefully we'll get some kind of a response
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iatropoul:
Guys does anybody know if HTC P6500 is qualcomm based?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] muthaflaco:
TTT

Has there been any word on when the update is suppsed to be released?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cmcginnis:
OpenGL

Has an OpenGL application been run on the Kaiser using HW acceleration? If so, this might be a good starting point for building D3D drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Update by HTC supposedly by mid to end of March.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Teppic24:
What year? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
2008

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
lol... talkin' bout the sense of humor... :rolleyes:

I am getting impatient aswell... c'mon htc! faster You b#@+^#$%.. :D

just kiddin'

take Your time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
OMG, ponies ?!

http://www.mobinaute.com/128740-htc-touch-dual.html

for the un-francophones amongst you, E-Club has a .cab for Touch dual with upgraded fouchflo performance and... enhanced drivers.

O.o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dredd67:
Nice try...

Hi.

I've got my TyTN II since .. yesterday (yeah love it !). I was a wizard user and I find also that we really need some real drivers.

OK so for those who just wanted to try to install the Touch Dual fix, well ... it doesn't work on my TyTN II...

Anyway, here is the update mentioned just above for those who want to play with it.

By the way, any Dual Touch users reports on this update ?

Dredd67

Edit: mmmh I just realize that maybe I'm not authorized to redistibute content from HTC E-Club. If it's against the forum rules please remove my attachment.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
Enhanced camera drivers, nothing about other drivers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] notten:
Someone check this. Could be good. I've come to live with the fact that I bought a falsely advertised phone riddled with issues. My conclusion is not to buy HTC again, but I will make the best of it while it lasts. I wonder why we can't have smooth 3d graphics like the iPhone.. I wonder why the iPhone has to have no 3G. Any phones have both? I'm looking to buy a new phone with high speed internet, windows mobile, and 3d graphics.. 640x480 a plus. Anyone know of such a device?

-Anthony
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
Not yet. I'm waiting for the 3G iPhone to be announced and have a GPS to switch over. It right now has Exchange ActiveSync which was the main show stopper for me. Let's see if the 3G iPhone rumors for summer are true or what.

The Kaiser cost me more than an iPhone costs and I can't even scroll with decent performance whereas everything is animated and streamlined on a $399 phone from a newcomer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ilogik:
This exe errors out on a Mogul. "update fail, module id is required NIKI"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
We all know that iPhone is teh c00lest and it's > Kaiser.

Can we stay on topic?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
10 days for supposed Fix. I doubt it's coming.

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
It's coming, but it'll probably be some total bull**** that we already fixed ourselves.. like some registry tweaks with cahce sizes, etc.

We're on our own, people.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dizzy33:
"excellent performances, very fast" ... Where did you see that ???? I will no talk again about video performances, but just to displays menus, or give a call, it's painfully slow !!! Giving a call was a lot faster on my Qtek S200 ...

And I have absolutly the minimum of softwares installed on my Kaiser (no cube).

I would remove that from my signature !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaveShaw:
I think he means his ROM (Alex's Tilt WM6.0).

A sports car is slow compared to a fighter jet, but you would still call it fast.

Sports Car = His ROM, Fighter Jet = My Old Wizard :D

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
No, I'm not removing anything.

Yes, I have LOTS of software installed, and I use it 5-6 hours straight for HSDPA tethering to laptop, it's my car GPS, it's my everyday personall assistant/calendar/contacts. I browse internet with it without ANY problems with Opera's beta. I have about 30 games installed and about 40 java games. No problems there either.

And no, I'm talking about this phone as a whole, not about the ROM. Actually, just from personal experience, I noticed that Dutty's v3 ROM is very noticebly faster than Alex's. YMMV, and it's probably related to cache/page size.

Regarding the slow phone - I had many smartphones and several PDAs in the past, and my Wizard is living his second life in my girlfriend's hands. That Wizard has seen many relfashes, WM5, WM6 even WM6.1. WM5 seemed the fastest on it, and still my Kaiser would be faster. Simple things like opening the start menu may be faster on Wzrd, but once u start opening/launching things - Ksr is definitelly faster.

I'm tired of explaining why I am fully satisfied with my kaiser and why I'm happy with it. Only 2 problems left for me are - 3D Games (don't play those really, anyway. That's what desktop is for.) and camera. Althought I have a strong belief that camera will be fixed soon, as it seems to be related to light compensation and not the drivers.

P.S: if your Kaiser is slow, you're either very negativelly biased or you're doing something wrong.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaveShaw:
Well that told him (and me :D. I was only assuming)

I only flashed my wizard once to and TNT series Rom and it was sh*t quick.

Although, I have never complained about the speed of my Kaiser. When it comes to Raw processing power it leads all the way.

Ta,

Dave.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Exactly.

Besides, I've already posted threads here with videos on youtube of a side-to-side comparison of kaiser and wizard in regular GDI processing as well as TomTom nav.. You can look it up.. TomTom runs very fast and smooth on my Kaiser, much better than on Wizard.

There's also a vid of Bally's fountains at night.. which I'm still wondering about, why didn't I get any fps reduction.. it's all here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rayan:
I think it would be a great idea just to wait for the SonyEricsson X1 Xperia smartphone to come out. It has the same graphic chip and it will be accelerated, so I'm sure someone knowledgeable will be able to port the X1 drivers to the Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] calvin_gsc:
Do they both use the same chip for graphics?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mackaby007:
Couldn't agree with you more. Having had my Kaiser for a few months now, I absolutely love it. Just wish we had the benefits of 3D acceleration in Games, but having said that, since Coreplayer 1.2.1, I'm pretty damn happy about my video playback performance. My Kaiser is packed to the hilt with all sorts of software (much of which runs in the background) and I'm still scoring in excess of 1500+ in Vbenchmark, compared to many others who score 1600+ with a clean ROM..lol.

The simple truth is we all want more, because we know there is a powerhouse of a 3D chip inside our Kaiser's and for those who genuinely have general performance issues, I recommend taking it back or selling it and cutting your losses while you can as your devices MUST be faulty!

P.S. Everyone in my household (wife and 3 kids) have an HTC device...Touch & 2 Wizards and believe me the Kaiser wipes the floor with them. :cool:

Hey DarkDvr can you PM me the details of what Java games you got running in full screen on the kaiser and what app you use them with? Cheers mate.;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] simpsonsfan:
Erm, sortof. The screenshots ive seen show the Sony Ericsson X1 uses a Qualcomm 7200A (link), ive no idea what the extra A is for. Its a different chip certainly, but in the same series.

The X1 is being manufactured by HTC anyway. So its likely it will be just another device crippled by a lack of proper hardware acceleration.

-Chris
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Um, DarkDvr and Mackaby007, have you tried running SNES roms on your Kaisers? How does it perform then? If not, could you please try it out. I want a Kaiser, but all these posts are making me a bit wary. If you guys can confirm that the games are playable with sound on, I'll get one. Otherwise, I'll stick to my Wing... which still can't do SNES games well :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Actually, nvm, I found a youtube vid of a dude playing SNES and Genesis on his Tilt and it runs very well. he was even playing Street Fighter II and Sonic! It was running great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtn4UeAw4hk

That's all I wanted to see. I don't see the need to have videos in greater than 400x300dpi resolution and 700kbps bitrare anyways, as you can barely tell the difference on such a small screen, so I should be fine!

:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moto2000:
does anybody know what the performance enhancing cab is? is that already incorporated into most cooked roms such as dutty's? in the comments on that youtube video, the author mentions installing it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Woah, didn't see that. I'll try to find it later.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ray6:
The MSM7200A runs at ~528MHz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Found the performance cab the youtube guy was talking about. if you use the forum search function to search "htc performance" it should be the third or fourth result. cant linky now cuz im posting from my wing on opera mini which has no cut-paste.

EDIT: Ive been reading around and turns out that benchmarks show that this cab actually reduces performance on kaisers. Apparently it only works with some htc phones. Anything you say you see about improved performance after install is placebo effect.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Imagine the OCing possibilities on that thing! I mean, you can easily push a kaiser to 520 so maybe you can push that one to 640...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ray6:
Would be nice if HTC offered an overclocking utility for the MSM7200s. It would probably be the easiest way to satisfy the unsatisfied users.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sekobati:
we all have to stand up to them!

but will that even work?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
HTC Sedna : A new hope ?

check these first benches for HTC Sedna...

http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...notice-87P4.html&langpair=es|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

There may still be hope.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JC_Carrillo:
DDB BitBlt results are incredible, I hope drivers stay inside but... Kaiser got "Qualcomm MSM7200" and sedna got "Qualcomm MSM7200TM", maybe this is important, maybe not...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sswalia:
naw the processors are identical; its just the translation from spanish that messed it up; the Qualcomm MSM7200TM is actually just the Trade Mark logo. if u google it you will see that the tytn II also has a qualcom msm7200 with the trade mark logo- TM.

Im pretty confidant bout this one, correct me if im wrong

Has anyone gotten a rom from the sedna yet??? lets chop this beast up and find our treasure
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johnllombart:
So, I found myself thinking that maybe ATI could help us out. I CC'd htc and sprint on my email to ATI and what do you know, HTC chimed in on it.

Read Below

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Dear ATI,

As a loyal customer of AMD & ATI products I jumped on the HTC TOUCH mobile phone bandwagon. The phone promised an exceptional multimedia experience. I believed this to be true as the chipset inside the phone (Qualcomm MSM7500) included a built in Imageon video.

Once I purchased the phone it became clear that the phone was not using the hardware to its fullest potential as it does not live up to the performance of its previous generation's incarnations. As a result, many users have begun to complain to the phone's manufacturer as they produce other phones with the same video performance problems.

The media has extensively covered this story labeling HTC as the culprit due to their lack of video drivers but, I believe that one has to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Currently, Qualcomm, the producer of the HTC Touch and other phones based around the MSM 7200 & 7500, is in the midst of a patent infringement case. Lately the news has been that they are to cease chipset support that infringes on patents from Broadcom. Unfortunately, that leaves us with no foreseeable way of improving our multimedia experience.

HTC's excuse is that we did not *explicitly* promise the use of the hardware acceleration (Imageon Hardware). That statement wouldn't bother most users if it only affected the top 1% power users with an insatiable power appetite. But it affects all users.

Users that know the origin the of the issue are less likely to purchase HTC products due to the poor customer service and greediness of HTC and HTC apparently could care less.

I come to you as a K6,K7,K8 user and as a frustrated consumer. I believe that ATI has an opportunity to walk away from this issue with some great free publicity by (if possible & legal) providing the Qualcomm 7200 and 7500 user community with the video drivers necessary to unlock the promised (and undelivered) potential of our devices.

According to the latest reply from HTC, there is a non-driver fix for our performance issues to be released in March '08. It is currently Friday, March 28 and not a word from them.

Please reply with any outcome as this will ultimately play a role in my decision to switch carriers and cell phone.

Best Regards,

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Hello John Llombart,

We here at HTC definitely understand your concern about having the latest software available for your device, in this case regarding the HTC Touch.

Currently there is no information available regarding a "non-driver" update scheduled for the end of march.

Thank you for your inquiry,

HTC Technical Support

I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.

HTC Technical Support

http://www.america.htc.com

http://www.htcwiki.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cerede2000:
Think you that it will be possible to extract driver of Sedana and to put them in a Rom of Kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kehaan:
Hello.

Any news in the drivers that shuld come to the device?

Thought they shuld come in the end of March?

I am thinking of buying the device. But if it lag that much in videos and in games, i dont think that will be the device i want to get. Then maybe more a Nokia E90.

Thanks.

From Kehaan.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] daniel_rh:
This thing of the driver is getting old, I hope but I don't expect there will be a miracle driver release for Kaiser by HTC, months of waiting and there's no solution for this, new products are being released or will be released and the Kaiser will start to getting old and users will start to upgrade to a new phone and this is the solution by HTC, an eventually upgrade from all Kaiser users to a new and better HTC phone.

And the March update announced by HTC maybe is the official WM6.1 ROM and not the drivers...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jasperrr:
O really captain Obvious, do you think so?

Damn dude where have you been looking at for news updates. HTC has always stated that the update would not contain the drivers, also did they state that it indeed was going to be a video performance fix so not WM 6.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
We need one of our spanish-speaking forum members to contact the site that reviewed the Sedna, and see if they can provide a dump of the ROM. I read excellent early reviews, claiming how snappy and performant my HTC phone was going to be. Then I bought one and found that that wasn't the case at all. It makes me wonder if HTC sent those early review sites devices with licensed video drivers in order to get good reviews, then released the device publicly without the video drivers. We should try to get a dump of the Sedna, pre-release, while it's still in reviewers hands.

Edit: Looks like someone has already provided this. See here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=381254
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
Oh crap I just filled out the contact form asking them in spanish for the rom :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] todosmartphone:
Spanish reveiwers of HTC Sedna

Hello:

We are the spanish reviewers of HTC Sedna (www.todosmartphone.com). We have still the device on our office so if you need the ROM dump we can do it.

Sinceresly, We does not know how to do that on WM6. If anybody can help us to do this, we can make as soon as posible.

Best,

Puri,

TodoSmartphone.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dredd67:
Guys !!"Someone to answer them quickly ! :eek::eek::eek:

Edit:

Maybe you could use this tool here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=334680

I have no clue if this will work with the sedna ?

By the way, if you still have the device, could you do the benchmarks with VSbenchmark instead of SPB ? Just to confirm that the Sedna really rocks with video drivers ? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kymbadrumz:
Dump

Here's the thread with the Kaiser procedure, i think it should be the same.

third section : dumping your rom

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=372469
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] amik5:
are there any updates on the qualcomm drivers yet?

Have anyone made the drivers yet or found a substitution for them?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mimoracer:
thank you for your help todosmartphone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nEuDy:
For a while i also thougth about the P6500 to use the driver, but i´ve ever thougth it has an 480*640 Display.. but it has really the same as the Kaiser!!!

And if the Sedna is really so fast, the site shows, there can be maybe a solution ;-)

And i´ve heard nothing about a new driver from HTC for aber 2 Month :mad:

But hopefully we will get a new driver
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
PM sent.

(this message is too short)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
Hey thanks for answering my email and stopping by to give us a hand! Muchas gracias!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
Has anyone managed to contact TodoSmartPhone? TodoSmartPhone, have you guys received instructions yet on how to do this?