yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thinkpad Tablet General] MotoJunkie01:
Lenovo is certainly more sparing on the bloat than manufacturers like Samsung for sure, not to mention all the bloat that comes pre-installed on the bulk of carrier branded devices. There are several Google related applications, however, which are baked in. With deodexing, lib removals, app data and app cache, I have been able to free up nearly 500 MB of space, leaving the end user with a bare bones Google infrastructure -- Google Play Services, Framework, Play Store, etc. More and more Android enthusiasts are becoming focused on privacy, and are steering away from all the Google centered applications.

Yeah on root I'm including a patched boot image for full systemless root support, using [MENTION=631273]Chainfire[/MENTION]'s SuperSU v2.79 TWRP flashable zip. I've made a couple of stability tweaks to the TWRP custom recovery already available for this tablet as well.

Oh, keep in mind on this particular MTK Board Platform and partitioning index, the /system image partition is allotted to 3.0GB. With bloat removed and some cleanup, the /system partition can be re-sized to 2.3GB using ext4fs, leaving 700MB to be carried back over to the /data partition.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
Much more info in Lister of Smeg's thread (actually for TB3-850F) re recovery, root, stock ROMs etc, here:

https://xdaforums.com/android/help/lenovo-tab3-8-2016-custom-recovery-t3483454
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
You may be interested in this ROM I mentioned in Lister of Smeg's TB3-850F Thread. It's for sister tablet with SIM card, TB3-850M. Fran89 has been working on device tree etc for TB3-850F, but efforts with custom ROM seem to have stalled. PW.

Firmware

Custom ROM - TB3-850M_Corsair_Edition (Android 6.0, odex, root, pure) - for 850M here:

http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=764969&st=80 (p5)

Points to:

https://mega.nz/#!y4N2FKBR!eBjDn0l5nfKjTuSO46o3QiKv-Sud4NCoMYUBX7IwOTc

Full link text:

http://4pda.ru/pages/go/?u=https://...fKjTuSO46o3QiKv-Sud4NCoMYUBX7IwOTc&e=56808907

They say not for 850F (p14), but someone may want to try. Be CAREFUL! M Model has different processor.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] MotoJunkie01:
I'll give the source code a look and may try it on mine. I have a Tab3 with heavy cosmetic damage that I don't care to brick for the cause. Thanks again for the good info.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
No problem. Would love to see custom ROMs for TB3-850F. Look forward to hearing your results with Corsair ROM. PW
[Thinkpad Tablet General] tzmst:
Do you have a ROM link so i can flash it ? Doesn't matter if stock or custom
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
See post 19 here.

Go to Lister's thread, end of post 66. I've posted link to latest stock 850f rom:

https://xdaforums.com/android/help/lenovo-tab3-8-2016-custom-recovery-t3483454

Flash using MediaTek flashtool. (I think).

Hope it helps you, PW.

About This File

Lenovo Tab3 A8F - firmware TB3-850F_S100030_161209_ROW

Creator: Lenovo

Build Date: 09/12/16

Firmware type: Firmware for PC

File size: 1.14 GB

Archive password: lenovo-forums.ru

OS: 6.0

Description:

android 6.0

AOSP

Kid mode

ONLY WLAN!

Firmware for the Euro-region (including Russia and Ukraine)
[Thinkpad Tablet General] stonedpsycho:
About This File

Lenovo Tab3 A8F - firmware TB3-850F_S100030_161209_ROW

Creator: Lenovo

Build Date: 09/12/16

Firmware type: Firmware for PC

File size: 1.14 GB

Archive password: lenovo-forums.ru

OS: 6.0

Description:

android 6.0

AOSP

Kid mode

ONLY WLAN!

Firmware for the Euro-region (including Russia and Ukraine)[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this! I have just flashed stock. The file comes with the drivers and spft needed. Working great :good:

I did have a problem with the Vcom driver but what worked for me was holding the volume down button and plugging the usb in at the same time while spft was in download mode, should this help anyone else.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
Good to know. Please confirm firmware TB3-850F_S100030_161209_ROW is working bug free just like ota installation, as I haven't flashed it. PW.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] stonedpsycho:
Yes, working bug free. I just wanted to put it through its paces before confirming.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
Excellent. This may get a few adventurous users out of hot water . . .
[Thinkpad Tablet General] stonedpsycho:
It also re-locks the bootloader so if there is a case under warranty ;)
[Thinkpad Tablet General] MotoJunkie01:
Updated Stock 6.0 ROM posted. Force encryption and dm-verity disabled. TWRP flashable zip.

https://xdaforums.com/android/general/rom-lenovo-tab-3-8-tb3-850f-t3617594
[Thinkpad Tablet General] pndwal:
Did you take a look at that one (Custom ROM - TB3-850M_Corsair_Edition (Android 6.0, odex, root, pure) - for 850M)? PW
[Thinkpad Tablet General] MotoJunkie01:
Yes. It likely will not work with the TB3-850F, since there are some major hardware differences. But I do know the boot logo from Corsair works with our variant.
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[Android Apps and Games] Droidriven:
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[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] wolfen69:
Looks very tempting to me. I've always liked the Moto X line and the added features it brings. I kind of like the JBL module too. I'm going to keep my eye on this phone until the end of the year and make a decision. It's probably going to be between the Z, OnePlus 3, and the new Nexus.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] damiloveu:
I will think about it below $400.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] benjamminh:
It looks like you'll be waiting a little while for that price.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] stevew84:
I've recently moved over to an iPhone with my wife. I still have a handful of the newer Android phones, but the Moto Z doesn't really pique my interest like the One Plus 3 does. Then again I'll probably wait for the next Nexus and see what happens with that.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] vvaibhavv:
Count me in for Moto Z ?
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] Semseddin:
I would think of buying a motorola but i just remembered they dumped my moto maxx with no updates. So, my buying desicion is pending partner support ( basically never ever happening )
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] str8addicted:
i'll most def be getting a Moto Z force Driod since im on verizion with a upgrade available
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] supremeweb:
Quite expensive for this kind of brand
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] immadeofpixels27:
Come on over to the Moto Maxx forums, we have CM13 and Resurrection Remix being actively maintained ;)

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As for what I think of the Z:

They need a much larger selection of modules if they want to make an impact on the market, and they need to continue making phones that support these mods.

I don't plan on buying one right now, simply because I'm in college and don't have money to throw at new phones... but if this Droid Turbo (Verizon's "special" Moto Maxx) breaks, the Moto Z is high on the list. I've always had Motorola phones and I haven't had any reason to look elsewhere yet :)
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] jinkerz9430:
Im really thinking about it. I currently have an LG g3, Samsung galaxy s4 and Samsung galaxy s5. The g3 have good memory ram management, but it has an IPS screen (which is good: no image burn like in amoled; and bad: no as bright as Amoled screen). The s4 is okay but ram managment is not as good as LG G3, the same with the S5, however, both have Super amoled screen ( which is good: very bright screen; and bad: it might develop burn in image if not careful). sooo the moto z/z force has 4 GB or Ram , and have Amoled screen. It also have sd card slot, and it might not only be limited to those modules. The LG G5 was my first option, but this one seems to be less prone to have built quality issues, unlike LG g5. but i'm also having my eye on Project Google Ara, but that one will be for 2017. Still, i think the modular design of Moto Z/Z force is one that can be truly called a modular phone. there is no need to remove battery (it is impossible anyway) to use the modules. in addition to that good amount of mAh it comes with by default (at least the Z force. So chances are 70% that i will buy this one over the g5
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] jinkerz9430:
Lol a modular phone less than $400? Maybe the Project Ara from Google in 2017 ?
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] 5GSignalPro:
Will buy, if it can be rooted!

So I will buy this in a heart beat, but it must be rootable. I'm hoping it can since the Moto X Pure Edition could...

Any thoughts?
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] jinkerz9430:
Aaah yess. I mean. I could use it without root but having root always makes it a lot better. Although, the modularity part would be a little tricky if custom roms are released. Something tells me that there is more to it than just "plug and play" or in this case, attatch. But... I think they will release the tools (or make it open to the public so they can come up with ideas for new modules) this will make it easier i think
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] jinkerz9430:
Price

This might be a rumor but if this rumor happens then... Well, It will be a better deal than the LG G5. According to this website: https://motog3.com/moto-z-moto-z-force-moto-mods/

The price for the Moto Z will be $499 dollars, and for the Moto Z Force $549. If this happens to be true, then I like the way they raised the price just a couple of bucks more for the Z force unlike other devices which raise up to $200 bucks more for a better version let's say. Anyway, I've posted a picture of what it says.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] benjamminh:
I hope those prices hold, but on Verizon with Droid slapped on them I kind of doubt it.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] immadeofpixels27:
That's why I'll be waiting for the international version of the Force, even though I'm on Verizon ;)
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] Seirÿu:
As someone who loved their moto x pure edition, but shattered the phone on space mountain (disneyland)... I've been holding out for the new moto x announcement. Instead we got the Moto Z announced in it's place, while it seems cool... it seems to sacrifice quite a few features I really enjoyed and I'm concerned about losing. Particularly the audio jack, I'm also worried about the longevity of the hold of these magnetic mod plates... I'm in a bit of a bind, I can't really keep using my friend's old bind, but i'm unsure if I'll want the moto Z at this point (although it looks pretty awesome). I'm debaiting on picking up another moto x pure since they're on sale right now and giving away a free moto 360 sport which I wouldn't mind playing around with. What are your guy's thoughts?
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] immadeofpixels27:
If the audio jack is a problem for you, and you loved the Pure Edition so much, I'd say get it again now since you do get the free smartwatch. However keep in mind that it's the Sport, which is the worst of their smartwatches, and the Pure Edition is near it's end of life, especially considering Moto's recent history...
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] StreetkillnHD:
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-droid-edition

Says 625 for moto z.. I know it's a droid edition but I wonder if unlock will be cheaper..
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] FAUguy:
Only way I'll get the Moto Z Force (or any new phone) is if it ends up being able to unlock the bootloader and root, which can take time. Until that happens, I'll keep using the Note 4 Developer Edition.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] TwoBuells:
I just pre-ordered my Moto Z and was able to keep my unlimited data plan. I'm coming from a Razr M thats 4 years old.....
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] Flexia32:
how did you pull that one off?
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] buschris:
yes, do tell. I'm due for an upgrade ;)
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] TwoBuells:
I have not upgraded in five years because I didn’t want to lose my UDP buts it is time to get a new phone so I was looking at VZ’s site and liked the new Moto Z Droid coming out. I signed up for an upgrade to see what plans I could get. I went through and when I got to choose a plan the site kept my same plan, so I called VZ and talked to several reps and they all said I was going to keep my same plan with UD. I was and still am paying 49 bucks for my UDP. A few hours went by and I was reading some reviews on the Moto Z and came across the BB deal for $1.00 + the JBL speaker. So I called VZ and they could not match the price and told me I could cancel and get the phone through BB but to make sure the BB site says you can keep your existing plan which it did so I ordered one. Like I stated above I was at BB today talking to the Verizon Employee Rep. She looked up my account and said with my new two year contract my UDP will stay the same price because I was already paying the 49 dollars a month for it.

I picked it up today and my plan is the same, I check VZ site and it still looks the same. 39 for Nationwide 450 + 49 for UD and 10 bucks more for 1000 txt msgs. we'll see next month when my bill comes out.

BTW, the phone is really fast, coming from a Razr M, its really fast.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
I picked one up today from Verizon. I really hope this device gets some dev support. It's a pretty cool phone. I love the "Moto mod" options. I have only had it for a few hours so I am still trying to see what advantages it had over my LG G3.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
I'm assuming you did the payment plans, not the 2 year contract? They'll let you finance a phone (at full retail) and keep unlimited but not buy a discounted phone on contract without losing unlimited.

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The price of this phone seems a little steep. I paid $500 for my 64gb MXP when it launched and was happy to pay it. With the price of the add-ons I'd think this phone would fall in the $400-500 range.

Unless the unlocked version turns out to have CDMA bands afterall, this phone isn't for me. I have no interest in the locked bootloader, Verizon bloated, POS that's currently available.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
I haven't had but maybe a total of like 6 hours of actually playing with the Moto Z, but one of the 1st things I did do, was unlock developer options, and I did notice it had a option to allow OEM Bootloader unlocking, I am not exactly sure if that is a good thing or bad thing, but it is the first time i have seen this option under "Developer" in the settings.

Another things to keep in mind is even with a locked bootloader you can still root, and install custom firmware and roms, you just cant do anything with the kernel really. My LG G3 had a locked bootloader and I was rooted running TWRP with Dirty Unicorns ROM.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
I'm afraid you're mistaken. Most/all phones running MM that can be rooted are typically rooted via flashing a modified kernel and supersu from TWRP, which requires an unlocked bootloader.

Typically Verizon does bury the Allow OEM Unlock button in developer options. Maybe they're getting sloppy. You can try to unlock it via Motorola's site but I'm 99% sure Motorola won't send you an unlock.bin.

https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
Ahh... so the LG G3 was able to be rooted and have custom firmware because it was done prior to MM? by MM I am assuming you mean Marshmallow.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
Yes. Marshmallow. You probably loki'd your phone which was almost the same as an unlocked bootloader. You could flash any roms that had been loki'd. The G3 was one of my favorite phones. I had 3 spare batteries so I could go all day and then some.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
Yeah, i think it was Loki'd, there was a name for how it was done, just dont remember what it was called. So it wont be possible to do something similar on the Moto Z? I was completely ok with what they did for the locked bootloader G3, i never really mesed with the kernel anyways, i always just liked playing with the different ROMS and seeing the different options.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
I believe they got Sunshine to work on some of the older Motorola phones (to unlock the bootloader) but I doubt anything like that will come any time soon (or ever) for this phone. Your best bet is to try to unlock via the website I sent you. If Motorola says it's not a supported device than you're probably stuck with a bone stock phone.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] TwoBuells:
OK so I enabled developer options and there is a slide button to unlock bootloader for my Moto Z. I did it and it asked me for a 4 digit pin. I used my screen unlock pin, it that correct? if so where is can I get the modified kernel and Supersu and TWRP.

My old phones were two Droid Razr M with the bootloaders unlocked and running CM12
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
Slide button to unlock bootloader?? Please post screenshots.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] TwoBuells:
ok I don' t think it worked, I enabled developer options and there is a slide button to unlock bootloader, there is no "bootloader unlocked warning" like I have on my Razr M

[IMG="dev options"]http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd1/Mikey394/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_20160729-164805_zpsbw7erreu.png[/IMG]

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there is a whole process to unlocking, I need to read up on it.

the slide button is just the start, you have to get a code key from Motorola, flash this, ADB that,

I'm going to wait till one of these smart guys/girls start a thread on unlocking and rooting this new phone.

but, its going to be a tough wait, all my other phones I've rooted, flashed, messed up, started from scratch, etc.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
The link that I sent you had all the info. Are you talking about the button to Enable OEM Unlock? All that does is allow you to enter Fastboot OEM Unlock from Fastboot. It does nothing else....and enabling it doesn't guarantee you have a unlockable bootloader if you follow the instructions I sent. You can't even make any changes to your phone. All you're doing is getting some info from the phone, sending it to Motorola, if Moto likes it they'll give you an unlock.bin and you can use it to unlock. If Moto doesn't like you can't unlock.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
I am considering returning my Moto Z, it's an awesome phone, but I need root, I can't stand having all the bloatware on my phone.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
Have you tried to unlock the bootloader? I haven't found anything stating explicitly that its locked. That's just my assumption.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
Yeah I did the whole cut copy and paste of bootloader info into the Motorola bootloader unlock site and Motorola said it is locked and can't be OEM unlocked.

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I'm also on Verizon though too, might be different for other carrier versions
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] joshw0000:
I think the one direct from Motorola will be unlockable. But all this nonsense about it not have CDMA bands is killing me. I hope that's not true.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] XperianceIT:
If you get one from Motorola it most likely will only be sim unlocked, which would be pretty pointless if it is a GSM only phone. If they were OEM bootloader unlockable, I am sure we would have already seen some posts with system dumps, and logs, and what not from those versions.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] riz157:
I'm thinking but not about moto z but life.

Sorry couldn't help myself.:laugh:
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] retrobot:
I picked one up the other day. I dont have any mods yet, just the style cover that came with it, but I just really liked the phone so I got one. I know the small battery has been getting a lot of people upset but Im actually pretty impressed for its size. I just went three days on a full charge. I prob dont use mine as much as most people but going two full days is no prob for me.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] Shuuin:
I live in Denmark/EU. and really want the Moto z force, does anyone know where I can get it??
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] immadeofpixels27:
The unlocked variants will come out "later this Autumn," along with the Moto Z Play
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] Shuuin:
Ah okay, thanks for info ;)
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] cushcalc:
I just ordered the Moto Z GSM unlocked from Motorola yesterday. No notice of when it will ship. When I get it, first thing I do will be try to unlock the bootloader.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] flopy8:
got one unlocked fm clove.uk..impressed..
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] coolkingler1:
Honestly recommend the Play for pure battery monstrousness.
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] SteveHG:
Got one unlocked from amazon uk
[Moto Z Guides, News, & Discussion] Shuuin:
I am more the power type ;)

I'll just put a powerbank on it for battery