yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sirsycho:
Same here... I upgraded to helmi_c's Tilt ROM and haven't had the problem since. Pretty much guarantted though, if you leave Live Search running in the background and your phone goes to sleep... it will not wake up with the stock ATT ROM (at least with the current version of Live Search).

Cheers!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] njmarchetti:
SOD has typical been associated with running programs off of a Storage card. I had tons of SOD problems with the early WM6 Hermes ROMs. So far I have only had SOD a few times on my Tilt (running austinsync's BigStorage ROM). I installed Google maps to my microSD and within 20 minutes had 3 SODs. I uninstalled it and they stoppped immediately (Live Search is way better anyway).

I would recommend installing any programs that you use heavily or leave running onto the main memory. Also, saving attachments to a storage card has been a known cause as well.

I think SOD issues will get better as more ROMs start coming out for the Kaiser (and the chefs keep cooking).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lansa:
OK, this keeps happening to me with the AT&T ROM....today it happened with no programs running in the background, anybody figure out a solution yet?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ratcom:
Me too

well I've had this problem also while running my own cooked rom, however to be fair i had this problem in the early days of the hermes. I thought however that the hermes problem was related to activesync's push email and the data connection (i.e. switching between 3G and 2G alot making activesync trip out) That all said maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree?!

Oh just in case anyone as the time to investgate this problem, I do know the Toshiba G900 had alot of problems with SOD inwhich tosh releases a fix for...... maybe if someone was to look at what that fixed it could help us here? have a read here > www.my900.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] W_P_L:
Kaiser won't power back up

My unit after reset won't either power up or down with the power button. Everything still functions.

I found that if I have the power charger connected it works fine, so I thought I had a weak battery. Got a new battery and same thing.

Don't know what's going on, but if you do a soft reset with the charger plugged in, it will reset fine.

Hope someone figures this out!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yi3o8:
Be careful overconfiguring...

This might be the case, but I tried calling my phone when it SOD'd and didn't get a ring (it rang on the phone I was calling from.) I bet the problem is installed programs conflicting somehow, maybe kaisertweak will fix it in the future.

I can't guess what causes it tho...

For now, I'm running Kyphur's XDA Live and it has yet to happen. :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] timsfbaylink:
PocketCM

I was running Kypher's Tilt XDA-Live v 1.0 (AWSOME) with several custom cabs including PocketCM and was getting the SOD every time. I wiped the phone and started adding all of my cabs one at a time and all of them are loaded back in except PocketCM and since then i have not seen a single SOD.

Tim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] erikk:
I've noticed that I get the SOD a LOT more when I have bluetooth active. Not sure if that's just coincidental but literally the only time I've noticed the SOD has been when I've had BT enabled.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] flexte:
Happens to me a few times a week very annoying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] whatledog:
Well, I don't do emails, use Windows live, have pocketCM, used my bluetooth, tried Google maps, or have any programs on my sd card (basically whatever you all mentioned above, I don't have or do!), and still get SOD. So I guess I start backtracking. Sigh...

tilt with xda Live
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] erikk:
Let's not forget that almost certainly there can be multiple possibly unrelated reasons for this type of behavior. I doubt we'll ever find a single AHAH! moment where this is solved from a single change.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Marcus Tavares:
I'm starting to hate my Kaiser!!!

:mad:

First I installed a lot of programs:

From Resco Explorer, Photo Viewer, Registry, Pocket Radio, KeyboardPro, Audio Recorder

I have also installed Pocket12C Calculator, Space Reclaimer, Pocket Presenter, Pocket Player, Google Maps, Destinator 6 with maps.

My Kaiser starts SOD 4 times a day.

THEN I HARD RESET, Cleaned my Storage card and start using as the Kaiser came, only with my corporate e-mail and gmail (POP3).

My Kaiser still going on SOD!!!!

This happens specially when I power it on using the power AC Adapter HTC provided in the box.

When my Kaiser goes on SOD all LED remain blinking.

I don't know what to do! Even worst I bought my Kaiser from Mercadolivre.com.br (same as e-bay) and I have no guarantee.

I'M STARTING TO HATE MY KAISER!!!

Does anyone knows at least if this problem is a Hardware or software failure? Does anyone knows if I upgrade my ROM this might fix it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NotATreoFan:
I ordered my AT&T Tilt back on October 5th, and have been through 4 different roms since. I have yet to experience an SOD on it.

I am currently running XDA-Live 1.0 by kyphur, and have the following programs installed:

PocketRAR

Total Commander

duttythroy 3G Comm Manager

Pocket Nester

Voice Command 1.6

HTC QuickGPS

TomTom Navigator 6

TCPMP w/ Skunkworks Flash plugin

BatteryStatus

Microsoft Office 2007 Mobile

With the exception of TomTom, all programs are installed to Main Memory.

Before upgrading to the Tilt, I had a Cingular 8125. I would run into SOD's fairly often with it, and have to soft/hard reset to get it back. Because the 8125/Wizard had so little onboard storage, I would have to install applications to the SD card.

For that reason, I agree with the previous poster who said that running programs from the SD card could quite possibly be the cause.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sammis:
Well, here's a new version of the problem,my phone's GSM module has been acting up lately,once or twice a week I just lose the signal and have to softreset the phone to get it back.

I'll be paying a visit to the local (Greek) HTC dealer and will get back to you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
I'm still trying my custom Rom & i think I found the solution to prevent Sleep of Death (SOD) in cooked ROM. any hint?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bram87:
I had it with my Tytn 1, what I did is find a stable ROM and flashed it with it. And never had a SOD anymore.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jcespi2005:
Most of the times, the SOD is related to SD card access, so first aproach is give a try to put out the SD, and use the kaiser for a couple of days without the SD (yes, i know you have lot of data and so on on the SD ;))

If the SOD disappear, then try to plug the SD and redirect noting (mail attach, internet temporary files, etc) to SD...

If the SOD appear again, try a different SD card (better a quick SD).

Good luck :)

Cheers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Another possibility is the notification wakeup/suspend time default of 1 second, causing some actions to stop prematurely and hang the phone. This is customizable with KaiserTweak.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Sane:
When i flashed to Custels rom i started experiencing SOD in a major way. Now im running Dutty’s lite version and haven’t had a one sod since. I didn’t have any of the before either when I was running Helmi’s rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
I have no SD and have SOD....

But i changed the SD power with Kaiser Tweak.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fredisco:
I've had it too

Yes I have had this problems a couple of times. With Stock swedish ROM.

Strangely I haven't had it in two weeks. This problem is very intermittent so it's also probably hard to find out what is going wrong.

I have had stock rom & Software + FingerFriendlyFriends (beta) + Random Access + GSFinder only installed.

Maybe it was one of the the FFF beta releases?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
For the moment, I remove the 'Sleep option' when on battery but it's draining it quick.....

And it can go to sleep if I push the on/off button too :mad:

Is there a way to change this button? (till I found why I have SOD....)

I have no SD and few programs installed (all on main memory of course).

Radio : 1.27.12.27

Protocole : 22.45.88.0ZW
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] panosha:
Τry 60 seconds for two notifications : AC Resume from Suspend + Battery Resume from Suspend with kaiser tweak. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
I have 60s and 60s.... for these 2 settings.

Thats strange, it seems that the issue is randomly.

I switched it off with the button, wait a while (10s, 1 minute, 5 minutes, 10 minutes) and try to power on it, with success...

:eek:

I have removed the settings for the SD card power.

Next step : put back automatic switch off...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
Too enthousiastic :(

SOD again and again :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xandr115:
Yeah, i had the following happen to me quite sporadically also while using the default tilt rom. I've since upgraded to Dutty's latest and will see how it goes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
I opened a ticket to HTC Support...

Response :

Funny guy :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ratcom:
Activesync

Well guys I can enable SOD everytime I create a partnership with my phone and my computer at work using the usb lead, I tried all the roms, including my own cooked ones but I always have the same results..... SOD which makes me think (as Ive always thought) thats it a activesync problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bguzak:
I was experiencing frequent SOD with the stock AT&T and HTC roms. Switched to dutty's roms whenever it was that he first started coming out with them and viola no more SOD. I'm running all the same apps I always do and am using ms push email as well as activesync. The only thing that changed for me was the rom itself.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
Either it's an hardware issue (I cross my fingers it's not!) or more a software issue.

We should investigate this path but how?

What are the ROM you are using (Radio....)

Aslo, I am wondering what does the patch for the Toshiba G900...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pkley:
YUP, just figured that one out as well - I'm currently running Custel 2.1 ATT and couldn't figure out what would trigger it. It happened immediately on the first flash, then I did a HR and it didn't happen for a while. Then it came back a day later, no major changes on my part!

Today I hooked up to my laptop for internet sharing - no connection...grr, ok - turned off Advanced USB features, worked fine. Drove away, phone locked up. Again, couldn't figure out what triggered it - I hadn't done anything!!! Then realized - ahh, I switched off the Advanced Features - turn it back on! VIOLA! No more SOD (so far)! Pretty sure this is it, I can trigger it at will by letting it go to sleep or turning off, as soon as I reenabled the features, no problem.

On my device it does appear to be ROM specific and also a problem with the USB connection - specifically turning off the Advanced Features to enable Async.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
Actually i've already found the reason [ I think :) ]

It is the ROM that not cooked properly.

Make sure XIPs are not duplicated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
Not duplicated for me :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
Hey, guy...; I will try this, I have this feature switched off!

Damn, I can't launch the parameters setting : USB to PC. Is there a registry key?

Response to myself : USBKiller (USBSwitch) does this also...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
ok, frankly i tell you.

when xip is dumped, it will copied to sys & oem folder.

just delete any xip related folder in sys & oem folder.

there is two folders name that dont have 'xip' in their name but i forgot.

sod is not an issue anymore. trust me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gregross:
can you be more specific? I know that when i cook using it says boot.rgu couldn't be found - it so happens that boot.rgu is in a XIP folder ....

I am wondering if this is realted to what you are saying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
Setting RNDIS for USB to PC does the trick for me.

No more SOD.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] romualdrichard:
If you can be more specific, I will check with the cooker this point.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gregross:
Same here - consistent SOD when the USB-PC settings in Connections is unchecked.

I also have had some succes with setting the resume time for AC and Battery to 60 seconds but haven't fully tested it.

Still unclear why this happens in Alex's AT&T builds but not in the "unofficial released AT&T ROM".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ssv8:
SOD fixed by upgrading my SIM card to the latest version. My old one was four years old. Have not had a single SOD since.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
okay, after the kitchen done,

delete all folder that has 'xip' in their name in SYS & OEM folders only!

delete LangDB folder in OEM folder only. (ignore in subdirs)

delete WinceNLS folder in SYS folder.

copy all files from \temp\dumpxip to ROM\XIP

*the folder name may vary because i'm at office & cant remember the exact folder name.

Hope this help & pls trust me. SoD is not an issue anymore.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Interesting, I'll give it a try...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
but, if u r familiar with the batch script, just try to stop the script from packaging the dumped XIP.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
I'd hope that I am familiar with the scripts, as I re-wrote them :D In the ATT 1.60 & HTC 1.56 ROMs I found the following folders that needed to be deleted:

OEM

OEMXIPKernel

LangDB

SYS

MSXIPKernel

MSXIPKernelLTK

WinCENLS_WWE

Thanks again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
aiya.. still in the office, cant tell u.. but it has only one *.dsm file reside.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hollywood:
Has anyone figured out why there is a delay in the screen sometimes? Like all of the sudden you cant push on the screen to get it to work. Then after a few seconds it works again. Is there a program or cause for this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Hmmm, sounds like high CPU usage. Try using battery status and enable "show more indicators" in options and "enable taskbar indicator" from the today screen to verify.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericc191:
Seems to me that there are many reasons why SoD occurs which makes it really hard to pin point the problem.. Mine happened only when I used HTC Home Customizer v0.7. Once I stopped using it, never had another SoD since..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] monx®:
alex, it is LangDB under OEM folder.

for others, there is no other reason than duplicated xips. trust me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yi3o8:
Random Freezes

Not the SOD issue but the unresponsiveness for a few seconds....

It's the most annoying thing, you press on the screen, but nothing happens... like it needs to warm up or something.

I had thought it might be due to a slow memory card but it still happens, there has to be a common issue.

If this could be figured out it would be very nice :cool: . Can anyone confirm if this happens with the stock ROM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gregross:
Might be an XDA thing - no delays in my home cooked Alex ROM. Have you bumped up the cache settings at all?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gregross:
XIP

Hey Alex,

Any luck on the "xip" issue?

Greg
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TurboX2:
yea, im thinking its a program whos the fault of that as well...

it used to happen all the time with my 8525
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
Looks good so far. I'll be posting more info in my ATT thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] egypt123:
I think it's bluetooth related. I haven't installed or changed anything on my device for months, and never had a problem with SOD until yesterday when I paired a Motorola S9 bluetooth stereo headset with it. All the sudden I got the SOD. The problem persisted even after I removed the pairing. I re-flashed my device last night and everything is fine now. Very annoying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] erikk:
I agree that at least one SOD problem is bluetooth related. I only ever get them if I leave BT enabled. But I think there's definitely more than one cause for the SOD problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yi3o8:
unresponsiveness

Yes, the cache settings are:

---

file sys -enabled

file sys filter - enabled

gdi/font cache- large

The settings are built into the rom and i'm checking their status via kaiser tweak. Any thoughts?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ssv8:
Check your SIM card, if it is older than a couple of years update it to the latest version. I have not had a single SOD since changing my Sim Card.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] trublu:
I experienced SOD with all the roms I've had including the stock rom. So far I've narrowed my issue down to when the tilt sleeps while I'm running an application that's using the gps. happens with google maps, ms live search and yahoo go!.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
I had the SOD issue affect me for about two weeks. Since that time I've done only two things & since then I've been SOD free for over two months. The first thing I did was installed the updated Windows Live Search to my SD card. The second thing I did was to remove the Power Management tweaks I had applied using Kaiser Tweak. It's most certainly numerous things that can trigger the event, but I believe they all revolve around power management & the SD Card.

Again , SOD Free for over two months. Even while using TT6 & Live Search at the same time through Franson GPSGate, while using my BT S9's & even after the device goes to sleep it still wakes up fine now.

The only way I can see it being BT related is if you have enabled the BT power management. But I know for me it was absolutely the SD power management.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rotohammer:
I've had SOD's consistently every day or 2 ever since getting my Tilt on release day. My bluetooth is on 24/7. Sunday I flashed Dutty's 7b ROM and I've had no SOD since. The phone is also noticeably snappier.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lewcamino:
I am just goign to throw this out there...

I had no SODs on XDA 1.2 at first.

Then one day I was using Live Search and left it open on a location and it SODed. Later that day I did the same thing and it did it again. Since then I have been exiting Live Search and NO SODs.

I am not suggestign Live Search causes this, but rather that whatever Live Search is doing is causing it. This may help point to another application causing the same result.

Then we can narrow it down to what action is takign place when it SODs (ie. itnernet, GPS, radio. whatever)

Later, Lew
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jellycow:
Solved my SOD problem

My 8925 was fine...until I turned off the "Enable advanced network functionality" in the Connections:USB to PC settings. Then I got SOD CONTINUOUSLY. Pretty much on every stand-by. My phone became un-usable. Wouldn't even receive phone calls. I couldn't figure it out...so I was about to hard-reset.

Then I remembered I just turned the network feature off. Turned it back...and no SOD problems at all. Fixed it instantly.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SPYUK:
First (and so far only )SOD after 6 weeks use occured after using Live Search.

Bluetooth& Wifi was not enabled.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hudy:
I´ve same problem with "CSY" Rom.So I chooze new Rom here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] BDub81:
Did anyone find a real solution to this? I havent installed any ROMs on my Kaiser, I have only used Tweakz and changed some of the settings, as well as a REG edit for the volume. Other then that, everything is standard and I keep getting SOD..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] i1135t:
The only solution that I've come up with is to lock the device before letting it sleep...good luck finding out the root cause because it's been a long standing issue for me too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fergusonwilliam:
This seems to be the same problem I was having also. As soon as I rechecked the advanced network functionality my SOD stopped also. Now, I cant sync my phone and have update OTA at the sometime. Does anyone know how to get around this?

thanks

Billf.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] :
Yeah I love my kaiser but this **** is driving me f***** nuts. I go to sleep every night and 80 percent of the time I wake up to find my kaiser SOD'd. This is really starting to get me fed up and I don't get fed up easily. I had someone who was going to call me today so I could drive them somewhere and I couldnt get the call because my phone SOD'd. Kills the whole point of having a phone in case of middle of the night emergencies. I did a clean reset about a week ago and it's been doing that previously as well. I have about 70mb free memory and storage is the same. I have my emails set to manual so I can choose when to s/r. The only thing that pushes is Windows Live. Maybe that's the problem. Even at that I don't get any emails on that but maybe it's because it's always active. Any input people?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] :
UPDATE:I did a master reset on my phone. I didn't install any apps besides Palringo for IM messaging,Telenav for GPS, and setup my Activesync for my push gmail acct. I have not got a Sleep of death for about 3 days. I used to get it every day. It's a program that's causing it. I also want to add that I have my BT on 24/7 to save my battery life.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Madnessx9:
mine SOD'd today, i was playing with the wheel whilst watching TV and it never came back on :(