yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
^Uh, look above you dude.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dredd67:
Maaah I think he was talking about an eventual reply to Chainfire's MP on how to dump the ROM..:rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hidavi:
Oh. Well, regardless, yes, they have been sent instructions on how to do this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
I will assist them over MSN tomorrow, if all goes well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] getwilde:
You're right... that's what I was inquiring about.

Excellent. Good to see you're on top of this, Chainfire. I'm hoping that we'll find something different in the ROM of an official reviewer's Sedna than we are finding in the standard consumer Sedna's...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cp_kirkley:
This was hinted at in the other forum, but not fully fleshed out. What type of ramifications are we looking at should there be a real difference in what they sent the reviewers pre-release, and the ones they are selling to the public? Please tell me there is something illegal about that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
no one gives two ****s what the "legal ramifications" are...what we care about is finding a ROM with working ati drivers that we can use on the Kaiser. I think I speak for just about every member of this forum when I say that we are here to find solutions, and that lawsuits are the very, very last solution when no other is available. So for now lets hope this official review model has some promise :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Nick Collision:
Rest assured, it is in the proper hands.

If Chainfire is on it, then be assured that the best of the best is on it too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cp_kirkley:
Point taken, believe me I'm in the same boat. But it really grinds my gears that we have to jump through hoops to *HACK* a phone for features we sacrificed our firstborn for.

I'm no longer looking for them to fix it - we already established it wont happen. Now I just want to be a pain in their ass. Think of it as aggravation tax.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] qumran:
Found 2 RUU for Sedna P6550. Maybe it could be of some help.

ftp://84.255.212.134/download/HTC/N....405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.13.28_signed_Test.exe

ftp://84.255.212.134/download/HTC/N....405.1_Radio_Sedna_1.58.21.23_signed_Test.exe
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Already posted here. But thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
this sounds and looks like someone is pulling a nice prank on everybody at xda and everybody is falling for it.

WTF!

Has anybody actually tried contacting TodoSmartphone.com through their website?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] schriss:
Manufacturer doesn't matter, it's Sony Ericsson who will make sure their device delivers (=pressure on HTC).

"Screen switching isn't instantaneous, but it is a sight faster than on the Tilt. That's likely because the X1 does utilize quite a bit of hardware acceleration, according to Winkler they are taking full advantage of the necessary drivers to do hardware acceleration."

http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/smartphones/review_first_impressions_of_th.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pistonripper:
I would n't get my hopes too high...check these latest videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8imzqCEMW5k&feature=related

here is another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu0YByYDdCo&feature=related

There lots of new videos...all showing lagginess

Although in the video they do say it still requires optimization...does not look promising.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Man xperia's interface is SLOW.. as it was shown (prototype, I know, I know) - it was a lot slower than my kaiser, at least it seemed like that to me.

I guess xperia owners will be joining our ranks soon enough hehe.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] o2neouzr:
guys i have the samsung blackjack II. it doesn't even have 3d acceleration BUT it has 2d acceleration with drivers. This thing has only 260Mhz CPU compared to the kaiser 400Mhz and let me tell you, it kicks the kaisers ass in video rendering. i played a 720x480 xvid file in tcpmp on the BJII using directdraw(not gdi or framebuffer) and it plays almost fully smooth,little dropped frames here and there(if i use a lower resolution its totally smooth). on the kaiser,i couldnt even play a 320x240 xvid video in directdraw,it was like 1 fps. i think htc messed up and should have at the very least included 2d acceleration. i will never buy htc product again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Radeon123:
I get the same results using the HTC Touch which only has a 200mhz Omap and the GUI is very smooth and as quoted above videos play quick and very smoothly, games also run loads quicker.

If HTC does come out with that fix hopefully it will at least improve 2d performance, doubt it though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] o2neouzr:
oh yeah, omap cpu, same cpu as the BJII but the BJII has omap 1710 with the faster cpu. i tested the performance between the gsm touch(omap 200Mhz) vs the cdma touch(qualcomm 400Mhz) and the gsm 200Mhz had better gui and video performance. even touchflo seemed smoother on the gsm touch. maybe the qualcomm solution was cheaper for them,so they thought maybe the 400Mhz cpu would make up for the lack of 2d accelerator compared to the gsm touch,and they would save even more money by not licensing the drivers from qualcomm.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
So the Sedna is a bust.

Moving on ... can we get 3D acceleration working in android?

That would at least prove that the 3D accel portion is part of the chip and can be enabled.

I agree with some of the posts above. I don't really care so much about 3D acceleration.

I want better 2D performance in the normal apps and the OS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Photopuppet:
Can anyone explain why the 3D animation of the Xperia X1 is so much faster in this video, and then so laggy in the videos that one of the previous posters put links for??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAfe3sAGOc&feature=related

Watching this video, you can clearly see the phone in this video has hardware accelerated 3D... it's completely smooth. :confused:

Same 'bait and switch' behaviour of HTC??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TheVoid:
Couldn't it be that the real reason for the Kaiser not having the video acceleration is precisely the launch of the X1 Xperia?

This seems to be a REAL Multimedia device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Autourdupc:
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Error of thread from me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] d00b:
asians

we need asians to work on getting some video drivers. those guys are good with these kinds of things. sorry if this is off topic but what would you need to be able to make a video driver for the kaiser? like what files and programs to do this:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] magius:
Hello everyone. I have been lurking for a while now. Reading on the ups and downs with the Kaiser hardware drivers... Out of curiosity, has anyone checked if Qualcomm disabled the chipset in a manner similar to what Nvidia did with their video cards couple of years ago? Nvidia, in order to sell cheaper cards, would disable part of the chip by cutting a resistor (or something similar).

Maybe all the trouble with the drivers is an actual hardware lockout or specific firmware signature check between components. Just thinking that if Qualcomm is really asking for money they would do more to protect their revenue than just keep a tight hand on the drivers.

I apologize if the post doesn't completely apply to this issue, I am rather new to cellphones. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] corleno:
hi Iv asked this a couple of times but no answer

can anyone here help ??

many claim that LG ks20 also does not contain the Drivers that HTC dint include ...is it true ??

3.Does the framerate lag in games when the screen is pressed in LG KS20???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dobbyone:
Well noone has confirmed or denied that the chip is anyway disabled, the only statement that HTC made is that do not use, not that they cannot use it. Anyway I think it's still used for video output, just not with acceleration. The same when you use windows with the default video driver, it runs but everything is extremely slow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] amik5:
This is very strange, I have NEVER noticed any lagg on the video on my phone, neither in directdraw or frambuffer. Though the video is running a tiny bit smoother with frambuffer. Though the touchflo sucks hard, specially on internet exp, but after i downloaded Dutty's OS, internet and TF are working well. I have tried many different types of videos, from avi to mpeg mp4 and MVA, everything renders smoothly. I have just watched the whole Beowulf movie without noticing any laggs.

Games are also running just fine. I downloaded COD2 on my phone, and exept a few slow frambufferings (the same type who was on internet just much lesser, and occurs fewer times), the game is running fine with 16-27 fps: no laggspikes or laggs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fisha21:
Damn, we've been doing this all wrong! We don't need petitions, media exposure and legal representation - we just need to get ourselves some of these Asians!!

Quick, someone set up a donation thread to employ some Asians (I assume this refers to South East Asians, as opposed to Indians, which rules me out)

LMFAO!!

Sorry, d00b - no offense intended - just the way you worded it made me laugh

;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] d00b:
Haha non taken. But it seems like asians (more like the japanese) are on the cutting edge of technology (i take its from all the fish). I would just like to see them come out with video drivers for the Tilt since it is a good product with bad software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
There are two lawfirms mentioned in the HTCClassAction thread that are specialized in these kind of class action lawsuits.

We are currently looking for someone to be the point man for everyone on xda dev regarding the issue.

Any takers?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] d00b:
Wow... whoever does go and wins the case will be every Kaiser users hero! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
Would be nice if someone just wrote a short summary of the issue and mailed, emailed, faxed it to the lawfirms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
So the phone is actually completely usable for all the purposes it is meant for? :D Could someone please rectify me, if I'm wrong, since i thought that there was something really really wrong with the phone.. and I havent dared to flash any unofficial firmw. in just yet, maybe I should?

What about the GPS and stuff? Working fine with new cooked ROMs? S¤%t i'm getting exited once again about this phone. :D Please tell me that the phone is still cool, as the xperia seems completely ugly and unusable for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] coolVariable:
It is useable but slow as hell.

2 year old phones flashed with WM6.1 run faster than your Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SouthernLuke:
I haven't used a PPC prior to this, but IMO it's faster than you make it out to be.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Playing the devils advocate may be fun, but if you bought a Dell computer that advertised it had a spiffy nVidia or ATI graphics card, and Dell said "Sorry, we don't feel like implmenting or making available the video drivers because we're to god damn cheap", I don't think you would be too pleased. Sure your computer could still do a lot of useful things, but it would be nice to get to use the hardware you're actually paying for. To add insult to injury, older devices can outperform it in video operations.

I think this example specifically points to why people are pretty pissed about what HTC has done here with the Kaiser.

Plenty of people paid good money for this device, they should have high expectations.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
I have my artemis flashed to 6.1 and my tytn2.. its definitly NOT fast.

The tytn2 is much better by a long shot in everything BUT the camera.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] draxredd:
from the Android tinkerers:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2138579&postcount=239

In essence, the tempering with roms and DLL is useless as the acceleration enabling switch is in the radio rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] simpsonsfan:
No, its because Caucasians are just too damn tall ;):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EQa4HHkhwVg

:p

-Chris
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] schriss:
Found this file in /Windows: ahi2dati.dll

ATI Handheld Interface 2.07.050110.34681

When I view the file I found a listing of commands:

AhiDevAsicLinearAperture AhiDevCfgRead AhiDevCfgWrite AhiDevClientVersion AhiDevClose AhiDevEnum AhiDevMemRead AhiDevMemRead16 AhiDevMemRead32 AhiDevMemWrite AhiDevMemWrite16 AhiDevMemWrite32 AhiDevOpen AhiDevRBReuse AhiDevRBUnuse AhiDevRegRead AhiDevRegWrite AhiDispSurfGet AhiDispSurfSet AhiDrawAlphaBlt AhiDrawAlphaSet AhiDrawAlphaSetEx AhiDrawBgColorSet AhiDrawBitBlt AhiDrawBitBltMulti AhiDrawBitmapBlt AhiDrawBitmapSpriteBlt AhiDrawBlendBlt AhiDrawBrushBgColorSet AhiDrawBrushFgColorSet AhiDrawBrushSet AhiDrawChar AhiDrawClipDstSet AhiDrawClipSrcSet AhiDrawFgColorSet AhiDrawFlush AhiDrawGlyph AhiDrawIdle AhiDrawIsIdle AhiDrawLineStyleSet AhiDrawLines AhiDrawMaskBlt AhiDrawMaskBltEx AhiDrawMonoBltMulti AhiDrawPM4 AhiDrawPM4Ex AhiDrawPixelOrderSet AhiDrawRopSet AhiDrawRotateBlt AhiDrawSoftTrigger AhiDrawSoftTriggerWithWait AhiDrawSpans AhiDrawSpriteBlt AhiDrawStretchBlt AhiDrawSurfDstSet AhiDrawSurfSrcSet AhiDrawSwapBlt AhiDrawTileBlt AhiDrawTransBlt AhiEnableSoftInterrupt AhiIBIsTimestampConsumed AhiIBIssueCommands AhiIBIssueMultiCommands AhiIBReadTimeStamp AhiIBWaitForIdle AhiInit AhiInitEx AhiOemDrvGetProperty AhiOemDrvInit AhiOemDrvSetProperty AhiOemDrvTerm AhiResume AhiSurfAlloc AhiSurfCopy AhiSurfFree AhiSurfGetLargestFreeBlockSize AhiSurfInfo AhiSurfLock AhiSurfPixelGet AhiSurfPixelSet AhiSurfPlaneInfo AhiSurfReuse AhiSurfUnlock AhiSuspend AhiTerm AhiValidateAndClearSoftInterrupt AsicAction AsicGetProperty AsicInit AsicSetProperty AsicTerm HalChipSelectMap HalChipSelectUnmap HalGetProperty HalGetSysInfo HalInit HalIntrEnable HalIntrInit HalIntrProcessed HalIntrTerm HalSetProperty HalTerm IMem_IMEM_alloc IMem_IMEM_free SrmCfgGetProperty SrmCfgGetPropertyEx SrmCfgSetProperty SrmCfgSetPropertyEx SrmMemAlloc SrmMemAllocEx SrmMemAllocLock SrmMemDisableExt SrmMemEnableExt SrmMemFree SrmMemFreeUserCtx SrmMemInit SrmMemLock SrmMemPrintStats SrmMemPwrSetState SrmMemReinitAXI2 SrmMemSet SrmMemTerm SrmMemUnlock SrmOffsetToVirtualAddr SrmSurfGetLargestFreeBlockSize SrmUserCounters SrmUserCtxObtain SrmUserCtxRelease SrmUserInit SrmUserTerm

Maybe with those commands we can use Hardware Acceleration in Games/Applications? Does that help?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xmoo:
Upload the .dll file!!!

This is the same .dll that is in the LG rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ynd0r:
ahi2dati.dll
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neilson:
HOLY CRAP!!!!!! HELL YES!!!!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=whBMXSHytPc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] storino03:
Okay, so what does this mean exactly?

--James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neilson:
Remember Indiana Jones and when he found the Hoil Grail?

Yeah, something like that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ynd0r:
File ahi2dati.dll I uploaded 4 posts ago is from Ultimate 9502.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Isaygarcia:
how do i register the dll to start with the system? (reg entry)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xmoo:
Who want to try it??

I believe this is the way.

Copy ahi2dati to the Windows directory

HKLM\Drivers\Display\Active

DLL: ddi.ddl -> change this to ahi2dati.dll

Soft reset and see what happens
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] schriss:
Ok then, can someone recompile a demo or a game or anything to show off the possibilities of this device? :D

What about Doom, Duke3D and other games? I think sources are available.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
did u try it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jygar:
This is what I would like to know :)

I am tempted to backup and test it now :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pfcsabre:
tried doing this... tomtom advance planning demo is still as slow as ass :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jygar:
Bugger! Well the holy grail it may not be :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] schriss:
my registry has NO ENTRY for that dll.

Maybe applications (like Windows Media Player) need to call this dll and use it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pfcsabre:
no, if you backtrack in the thread Kaiser has a different registry path for that dll
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jygar:
Well decided to give it a go, dumped the dll, updated to my registry, rebooted and it hasnt crashed my phone yet....

now to test it, any suggestions?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] milesmowbray:
TCPMP benchmark with the device set to DirectDraw and then do one set to RAW Framebuffer, previously the DirectDraw was much slower than the RAW Framebuffer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jygar:
Running benchmark now...

DirectDraw Bechmark:

Average Speed 102.58%

Video Frames 9047

Audio Samples 7998225

Amount of Data 14340 KB

Bench. Time 5:53.622

Bench. Frame Rate 25.58

Bench. Sample Rate 22618

Bench. Data Rate 332 kbit/s

Original Time 6:02.731

Original Sample Rate 22050

Original Data Rate 324 kbit/s

URL \My Documents\vid.flv

Size 14684171

Platform PocketPC

OS Version 5.02

OEM Info Kaiser

Clock speed 405 Mhz

Video output DirectDraw 240x320 16bits Lookup

Video zoom 320x240 -> 240x320

Audio output Wave Output 22050Hz 16Bits 1Ch.

RawFrame Buffer:

Average Speed 186.78%

Video Frames 9047

Audio Samples 8013052

Amount of Data 14340 KB

Bench. Time 3:14.561

Bench. Frame Rate 46.50

Bench. Sample Rate 41186

Bench. Data Rate 604 kbit/s

Original Time 6:03.403

Original Sample Rate 22050

Original Data Rate 323 kbit/s

URL \My Documents\vid.flv

Size 14684171

Platform PocketPC

OS Version 5.02

OEM Info Kaiser

Clock speed 397 Mhz

Video output Raw FrameBuffer 240x320 16bits Lookup

Video zoom 320x240 -> 240x320

Audio output Wave Output 22050Hz 16Bits 1Ch.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
message pof about this, he would be the one most likely to be able to assist you in this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I was able to get the OS files extracted. the DDI.dll, htc_d3d.dll are exactly the same as what's in the Kaiser. The mogul does not appear to emply any kind of acceleration.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
That's bad news... damn HTC!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
just a general question for this thread: would grabbing the DLL files from a dump of the new Touch Cruise possibly fix all this? (the touch cruise is based on the 7200 chipset. FYI I dont own a touch cruise, im just saying hypothetically)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] the_ape:
If it has the acceleration enabled then yes, but I doubt if it does. We are looking like just having to wait until HTC get their act together and sort it out.

If there is a non HTC device using the 7200 with WM6 then we could nick em from there (possibly).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
I was just saying that at the very least with a better d3d dll taken from the touch cruise we would at least be able to get the touchflo cube working better on the kaiser
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
i doubt that, since the cube comes from the Elf, which has no 3D support, and it's probably done in software(no OpenGL / Direct3D)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] intothevoid:
Man come on don't say that. The cruise is one of our hopes that will remedy this problem. We need to have some hope
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Doug2873:
There is some F-ing hope!

Here's an email I just got back from HTC Tech Support after I *****ed to them about the driver problem and how I would not buy another phone from them again due to their lack of support:

"Hello Doug,

We here at HTC America Technical Support definitely understand your concern about using the AT& Tilt and its other branded counterparts to their maximum potential, in this case with respect to the capturing, rendering and playback of media.

At your request, we have forwarded your concerns to our Product Development Team at HTC Taiwan; However, due to HTC's policies, we are unable to provide an SDK for any of our devices for public use.

Thank you for your inquiry,

Max W.

I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.

HTC Technical Support

http://www.america.htc.com

http://www.htcwiki.com"

This is obviously not the ideal answer, but at least now they aren't telling us to "piss off" about it. This looks like some hope, but definitely no hope on the SDK.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
None of HTC PPC's have it right?

Methinks they don't know jack about hardware acceleration. :(

i-mate Ultimate 9502 will use Qualcomm MSM 7200 processors. I'm sure there is at least one other Ultimate which handles hardware acceleration fine (with XScale processors though). They'll probably have it running fine before HTC sorts it out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Yup, or, at least, the should clearly state that, no matter the chipset itself supports 3D acceleration, the phone (currently? for ever?) doesn't. Qualcomm's promoting the 3D capabilities of the chipset has resulted in a lot of people (including me) thinking all Qualcomm-based phones will be 3D accelerated out of the box.

You mean the (cancelled) 5150, 6150, 7150, 8150 and 9150 - that is, ALL their announced (but cancelled) XScale-based models? They indeed were to have the GoForce 5500 chip, which is already supported in the Flame. However, the two that (hopefully) are released, the 9502 and the 8502, are Qualcomm-based, without the 5500.

Hope, however, that they WILL have 3D acceleration.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cr2:
What makes you think that it has the 3D accelerated hardware at all ?

The even speak about "imageon technology",

not the "imageon hardware".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
Well I didn't know they were cancelled. However, I'm sure I've a review somewhere talking about 8150's capabilities, and I thought it was a hands-on. The exact term used was: "The 8150 cuts through menus, videos and games with venom". Maybe they made a small number and sent to those reviewers...

And 9502 8502 aren't yet released right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
so im jsut wondering, how was the 3d acceleration activated on the SPB benchmark at mymobile911.com?..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
Yup, but, then, it was cancelled.

Nope, not yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
You mean the ones at http://www.mymobile911.com/dnn2/bHomeb/tabid/36/EntryID/40/Default.aspx#Comments ?

The Spb Benchmark video results have always had little to do with the actual speed, particularly with 3D acceleration (AFAIK, there isn't even an OpenGL ES or, for that matter, any software 3D rendering tests in their suite - it's plain 2D only).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Hey !

Why is the Mogul score higher ? It's basically the same processor, right ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Menneisyys:
As stated above, the graphics index is pretty much meaningless and has (almost) nothing to do with the real-world snappiness, for example games / video playback graphics speed. I wouldn't even include these graphics benchmarks in my hardware reviews.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
yes, the one at the very bottom that says graphics index.

it scored way higher than the 8525.

so if it has little to do with the actual speed then what is this showing?