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[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
I have both the 710 and 713.

Not only are ALL the Antutu benchmarks higher for the 713 (including every sub-number), a game I play frequently (Vikings War of Clans) loads up in 19.05 seconds vs. 26.36 on the 710. I have the exact same apps installed on both devices and rebooted before the test.

Also, using the Samsung Smart Manager widget, the RAM usage goes lower on the 713 when you tap clean and, most important, seems to to stay much lower overall. This is great because, on the 710, RAM usage would frequently climb into the 80s.

Also, the look of Android 6.01 is nicer too, more muted colors. And maybe since I'm starting with Android 6 I'll get updates up to v8?!

One thing/tip - for the first time ever I let Google restore my apps and settings from the 710. I had problems with Gmail and Google Play Services that I couldn't fix. So I factory reset and installed apps individually and everything works fine.

Luckily I'm still within the return period for the 710 so I'm keeping the 713 for sure!

Here are my numbers:

710

Score 63,717

3D 14,530

UX 21,129

CPU 21,861

RAM 6,197

713

Score 78,481

3D 17,840

UX 28,869

CPU 24,150

RAM 7,622
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Ya so far the T713 is killin the T710.

Tossed one T710 back and gave the other to my 3 year old lol. ;)
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Themetnut:
How's your battery life on the 713?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
You can only ask or indeed answer that question if you can compare it to another device you own and use the same way or its a pointless question.

We all use them in different ways and this has a huge effect on aspects such as battery life.

It's almost like comparing how long a tank of fuel lasts in a car.

It all depends on many factors.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Themetnut:
Ok compared to the 710
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
Thats a hard question to answer since I just got the 713 but my feeling is that battery life may be a little better than the 710. I would assume the doze feature on 6.01 helps. That being said, battery life isn't as important to me on my tab, which I use at home, compared to my phone, which I have with me all day. I do wish it had wireless charging, but that would add weight which was a prime consideration for me.

Basically, I think it has now been established that you should get the 713, though if you already have the 710 it's still a great tablet and I would wait for the next, next shiny thing before upgrading!
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
Samsung need to release another 16:9 tablet instead of iPad clones.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
Actually, one of the reasons I wanted this tablet is the 4:3 aspect ratio. I have the Nexus 7 which is fine, but I much prefer the 4:3 for the way I use my tablet - everything except movies and videos, which I always cast to my 60" TV and listen to in surround sound. And, for you fanboys, this tablet is lighter and thinner than an ipad (which I wouldn't take for free anyway...). I'm going to love this tablet right up until next week when a shinier tablet comes out!
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
+1 I don't think there would be a significant real-life performance difference between the two to make the upgrade worthwhile for existing owners.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
My take is that the battery life is indeed better.

Under my same usage I do indeed get more battery life.

As far as an upgrade is concerned it would depend on the trouble you have to go through.

If you recently got the T710 and are within the return period I would swap it!

MM, Plus the batt life, plus the obvious performance boost is definitely a nice thing.

I would say this is how the S2 should have been originally.

Tough call though. If you could fetch a decent amount on eBay for the T710 (i.e. yours is mint and you have the box) I would say go for it. :)
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
If somebody who have both can confirm:

screen and UI (on 6.0.1 android) are totally same?

thanks
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
Everything is the same except for the updated processor, and newer version of Android, 6.01, which has a slightly different UI. All these updates are positive improvements.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
Now old s2 also has 6.01/ should be same UI?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Themetnut:
How's the standby time? Is it still really good, dropping maybe 1 percent every 8 hours or so?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] gaetanolip:
and How's the sot time surfing internet with wifi or streaming movie online?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ericshmerick:
Quick charge. Does it work?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] suzook:
I disagree. For tablets, 4:3 ratio is the sweet spot. Just my opinion though.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
They each have their benefits, but my TV is 16:9, my pc is 16:9, my laptop is 16:9, my PJ is 16:9, even my phone is 16:9(albeit in portrait mode mostly)

Picking up a 4:3 device feels awkward.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
My 710 had not received an update to 6.01 as of yesterday and I did try to manually update it before I factory reset it and returned it.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] tiffanydawnn:
I just returned my 710 to best buy after having received the 713. They performed similarly for my needs (reading, browsing) but it's nice to have the upgraded model for the same price.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Themetnut:
How's the standby battery life?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] GeorgeP:
I agree. Before the Tab S2, I had a Tab S 10.5 (16:10 ratio). The 16:10 ratio was better for movies, but in my opinion, the 4:3 is much better for everything else. I don't watch movies enough on the tablet to put up with the 16:10 ratio, but to each his own.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
This morning I left my 713 unplugged from 8am to 5pm and the battery went down 3%. I did click the clean all button before I left. That seems amazingly good to me.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] will25u:
Quick charge does not work.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] bailyc:
Is battery life significantly different between the two? I'd have expected the pricing on the new 813 to be higher, but I just got the 810 and now it looks like 813 is discounted the same amount. I'm a bit confused at all the different versions. I'm wondering if I should exchange it for the 813 but to be honest, I'm pretty happy with what I have. The T810 is a great device so far. I am not really seeing a compelling reason to switch, aside from MM/the potential for longer updates or support. Any thoughts?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] will25u:
I can't comment on the battery life between the two but I would return the 810 and get the 813 just because the cost between the two are the same. You are getting more performance across the board, longer support, and potentially better battery life all for the same amount of money.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] asdfh:
With the new models, do the wifi versions still lack the vibration motor, and only the LTE versions got it, or Samsung wasn't that cheap this time?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] frankb3:
Yes, there is no vibrate but other tablets I've owned (w/out mobile data) such as the Nexus 7, don't have it either. Less h/w features = lower weight which was a priority.

Re: battery life - after a week it seems better than the 710 but that is highly un-scientific.

I really like this tablet!
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] asdfh:
Such a shame :/ If it doesn't have notification light, well, it's ok (@manufacturers: NO, it's not ok, it's a freaking $0.002 LED!), if it doesn't vibrate but has notification light it's not cool, but you can live with it (though haptic feedback would be nice), but when it doesn't have vibra AND doesn't have notification light that's a no go. And with this top of the shelf product and given its price range, in my opinion this is totally unacceptable (and i believe it has nothing to do with weight).
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] bailyc:
I totally agree. It's a bit cheap of them not to include it, considering the price. Coming from a Nexus 9 (which had its own issues, mind you) I'm really missing the vibration motor. And also, no NFC? Even my old Nexus 7 had NFC. I never used it for payments, but it was still handy.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
Hey everyone, I have got my T813 for one week now. I am not so satisfied with the kernel, scrolling in Facebook and Instagram gives some FPS lack. My S6Edge+ does this job very well.

Can anyone confirm that scrolling on T810 in the FB and Instagram app is flawless without stutter? Then I maybe exchange the T813 for 810...

Or asking in other words : Which one is the smoother device?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ComputerNmyPocket:
I've got the T810. The stock rom and odin'd MM rom both give me stutters in the framerate in the web browser. The best I've done so far is install a debloated rom (Neked Nook 5.1.1), and install an ad blocker hosts file (mother of all ad blockers). Now web pages are pretty smooth. But I don't use facebook or instagram.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
Thank you mate for sharing your experience!

Having AdAway installed too and Stock samsung browser is buttery smooth on T813.

I have lack on fps only in Fb and Instagram.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] kendoka15:
Any idea which snapdragon it is?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] madsquabbles:
652

Seems asus has a new 8 incher using the 650 for $50 less (if $299 is the new price and not just sale right now). Unless you just can't get $50 more there's no reason to go with the new zenpad over an s2.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] jamesrick80:
No reason for me to update to marshmallow...losing QHD video recording...may as well wait till android N...the tablet is fast enough and does everything I want currently
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] M3wThr33:
You can do continuous shot in Auto just by holding the shutter button down
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Psneo:
New Tab S2 sm-t813 owner here. First had a bad display and had to do an exchange.. second keeps disconnecting 2-3 times in 5 minutes.. so annoying. The sound I think is worse than the older S2. So far I am disappointed. I have owned a Tab S10.5 and it was a joy to watch movies and listen to music. The S2 is very snappy but for every day email net browsing feels the same. I just owned a Lenovo Tab 2 A10-70 on clearance $99 from Walmart and honestly it felt like a better tablet for the money. Benchmarks really don't mean much because I'm not saying wow with a difference of 30k to 80k.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] madsquabbles:
T831 here. So far battery life has been pretty good. 6hrs SOT and at 40%. Mixed usage web browsing, YouTube, and streaming music while working out for 90 min.

Helluva a lot better than the nexus 9 I just got rid of.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Psneo:
Mine says 400 to 1804.8 so depending on task depends of how fast it runs to conserve energy. All I notice is sound quality sounds terrible hollow and distorted. I have a white one. Maybe I need to exchange for a different color and hope for better quality control. :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
A question to the T810 AND T813 users (that own both): I see that benchmark scores are higher on the T813, but how does this affect the everyday usage? Do you see a difference in FPS? For example in scrolling? Or gaming?

Gesendet von meinem SM-T813 mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
Firmware T813XXU1APF4 for SM-T813 released today.

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[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
Updated successfully via Odin. Root and xposed also working fine.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
2k I not possible with T813. So is not with this firmware

Gesendet von meinem SM-G928F mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
Has anyone tried a 3rd party camera app to see if it gives any extra options?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] nolook:
can confirm I still have the qhd 2k option on my t710 model running marshmallow UK rom
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ericshmerick:
Is there really no way to turn off the capacitive lights on the 713? That makes zero sense seeing as how the 710 allowed this. I don't need them lighting up every time I turn pages in the Kindle app. It's annoying.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] madsquabbles:
Get galaxy buttons light app. It's free and can disable the lights..
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] undertaker2k14:
My t810 feels smoother than my s7 in browsing and that has a sd820 so I doubt that the t813 and its sd652 will make a perceptible difference from the exynos 5433 in anything.Would like to see battery life compared between both running MM, somebody posted the new 813 runs about 15% better in battery life but used lollipop on the 810 to compare, and from my subjective measurements, MM definitely improves the battery life on the 810.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] madsquabbles:
Did you try the app? I've used it on my Galaxy Note5 and the t813. I don't have the T710. I hate they removed the option... I hate that freaking bright light!
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
For what its worth I switched two T710 to T713...

Both of the Tabs have ZERO wifi or internet problems for me.

My daughter's who watches youtube all the time..

And mine where I do alot of teamviewer to clients and also run things like the DJI app for phantom drones and occasinally play games.

For me the experience is smoother. Im getting more battery life on both examples. Also the games have slightly higher FPS in games.

Im pretty happy with the switch.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
Thank you for sharing your experience! I think I will stay at my T813 and not refund it...

I am only experiencing some minor stutters in scrolling in Facebook App. Browser is fine for me.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
I have a cellular iPad mini 4. (I have both Tablets for the DJI app.)

Its not a bad device but I will say that it seems the screen looks better on the Tab S2(s).

The colors seemed washed out on the iPad compared to the Tab S2, especially in slightly bright sunlit rooms. (not just outside)

Outside the Tab S2 wins for sure.

Also heat also happens on the iPads as well. There are people that have been flying Drones outside and the iPads show a temperature icon just because they were in a small book cover case.

I live in FL with death humidity and temps and have never had that happen to either one of my Tab S2(s) and they are also in book cover cases.

I cant say its happened to me in with the iPad either but then again I don't use it as much. Kinda feel like I wasted my money on it. :P

I think most performance Tablets get hot. I mean my mom's Tab A doesnt get seem to get hot. I mean it gets slightly warm.

With that said my T713 doesnt seem to get any hotter then my old T710 or my even older T710.

Just curious regarding the QHD recording...

What did you use it for? Technically speaking the screen on the Tab S2 cannot even display the QHD video natively as the screen is (2048 x 1536) and QHD is (2560 x 1440) so it would have to downsize it to play on the tablet.

Plus to view the video properly you would need to have a 1440p monitor. If you view the video on a 4K monitor at full screen you would lose clarity because of interpolation and from upscaling.

The main practical benefit would be professional video editing as having a higher resolution source allows for some expansive edits like zooming etc.

However most people that would be doing professional editing wouldn't be using their tablet to record video lol and would probably have an actual 4K camera etc.

This is just my reasoning. Yes when I heard the QHD was missing I felt like I lost something. This was simply because the old tablet had it but then I asked myself if it really matters.

I concluded that I just felt like I lost something which is what bothered me. I did not actually lose anything I personally used or benefited from.

The benefits of the better battery life and higher performance for me have been a good trade off if we are going to indeed lose the QHD.

However there is also a chance that we have not lost it and it may be fixed in a future firmware.

Just my 2 cents. :P
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
I compared the tab s2 710 and 713 side by side, both running marshmallow. They are practically similar in terms of general performance, but animations/gaming seem to be smoother in 713 (as per benchmarks). The higher fps is evident in 713 when launching the task switcher for recent apps. Interestingly certain games are only available in 713. I have wanted to play broken age in my 710 for long time, but it is only available in the play store for 713. Sound/camera quality same for both device.

I don't have any heating issue in my s2 713, battery life is a little better than 710.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] djgade:
Thank you very much for this really great comparison. I am a 60 FPS enthusiast, so you think it's better to stay at the 813 because animations are smoother?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] vinceboiii:
Damn I just got myself a used but mint condition 710 for $200. I missed the 713 when it went on sale for a few hours at $199.99 but now its $299.99. I just found this thread today and received my tablet yesterday, didn't know there was a new version... I see that the benchmark is clearly showing the 713 with better performance but is it reallly that much better? I don't know if I should go through the hassle of getting a refund or selling it on swappa to get the 713. Please advise.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Please tell me more details.

How can I recreate this?

Also something to consider is perhaps it's not a T710 thing but a MM thing.

It's common knowledge that sometimes with new android versions apps don't play well and are slow to fix certain bugs.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
Higher FPS is the only reason I am keeping the 713. Note that the FPS difference is not significant.

So, if you are already happy with the performance of 710, I'd say there isn't a compelling reason to upgrade.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Ya I see that..

On BestBuy.com when you look at both the T813 and the T713 that is the only guy to mention that.

I will see if I can for one check out your AZ Recording problem but I will also focus on how the heat is.

That guy said over heat but perhaps he just meant it was hot which most tablets are. Or perhaps hes running some crazy stuff. Certain apps are not designed well and can cause any tablet to heat.

Since we all don't use the same apps its difficult to say. I cant really say that I have noticed heat at all. However I do have a book cover and my daughters T713 is in a squishy kid friendly case.

So with that said one would think my daughters case would cause problems if the tablet was overheating to a defective level. Its really poofy dense foam rubber.

I will take it out of the case and run some intense things like benchmarks and stress tests etc to see how the temps are.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
I am using the book cover with 713 and have been playing many high fps games. But haven't noticed any heating issues yet.

I am finding the 5ghz WiFi performance better in 713.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Psneo:
My 813 runs very cool. I felt my old 710 S2 was warm as toast. But my new 813 feels cooler on the back than room temp of 70F. I do keep haVing WiFi disconnect issues. But quality control is terrible. I went through 3 brand new 813 tabs to get a good one. Makes me think should I jump on a New IPad Air 2 for $299 at best buy.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] micu999:
LOL, that's ipad she talked about. Its OK dude, not only your country. In my country, some of them dont have any clue about specs and sort of things. That's why you have this community.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Psneo:
OK cpuz says 29 to 32c all the way down accept patherm0 is 68c. The IPad air 2 was $299 at bestbuy the sale must have ended. Just keep exchanging until you get a good one. That's what I did. Samsung is sucknown in it. Maybe my Temps are cooler because my home is air-conditioned.. lol I don't know. :cyclops:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] acdcking12345:
So I just bought this tablet. Is there a way to determine if I have the newest variant?

I think it is the 813..It is the black 32GB Wifi only
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Psneo:
Think? Just look on the box or in the menu.. good luck hahahaaaaaaa
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] acdcking12345:
It is an SM-t183. So does that give me the newest variant?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Psneo:
Yes the 813 is the newest Snapdragon 2016 tab S2
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
You can see it in their website http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/SM-T713NZKEXAR
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Whats the point of these? Perhaps they are updating their site.

There is an order link on their site. B & H, Amazon, and many more online retailers only have these as new.

Best Buy has these in store now. Im confused as to what you are getting at.

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Are you using a case? What is your ambient temps? Like the poster before yours I have been unable to reproduce your temps. I too have Samsung book cover like the previous poster.

Something doesnt seem right.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
I have to agree. The Samsung website does NOT list the new S2 in its product range on the website unless you click the direct link or use the search function.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] pvsgh:
Did anyone bought it from Costco? it is currently priced at $379.99 and I believe its T813 by looking at the configuration on their website:

http://www.costco.com/Samsung-Galax...-|-Includes-Book-Cover.product.100300003.html
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] LosserKlosser:
I bet the biggest difference between the two, is that the Exynos version won't get Nougat.

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[Galaxy Tab S2 General] pchoi94:
I just picked this up from Costco as well, 9.7" T-813. What a great deal! The book case is fantastic!

Got it last Friday, took it with me on a trip over the weekend and just got back, worked like a champ. I'm hoping that with the Qualcomm chipset it will be easier to develop for, but it does everything well just the way it is anyway.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DionWhite33:
Post 3 says just do a hard reset? Are you sure that's the right post

I have the 713 and my battery life is awesome... I have a 2014 Note 10.1 and Note Pro 12.2 Note 4 and Note 5... I have the tablet 2013 Nexus 7 and a few other devices laying around the house but this gets the best battery life out of all of them. I am rooted with Xposed running greenify I know that helps. But I've been on my tablet for 7 hours now and I'm still at 87%... and this is being inactive watching videos playing music I played a couple games... reading XDA! Lol
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] pvsgh:
So, you are saying that it is also available in Costco stores? I thought deal is only available online. I'll go and check this weekend.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] clubtech:
While the benchmarks of the new X13 models are higher, and the system runs in 64bit, i found the performance of the newer models to be worse than my older T710 and T810 models on marshmallow. The older models ran smoother, generated less heat and when it comes to gaming, most games ran a lot better. I do see lower frame rate and a lot more stuttering on the newer models when playing some games.

For example:

Shooty skies that ran perfectly fine on the the T710, stutters like crazy on the T713

SimCity buildit has absolutely awful graphics on the newer models.

Sonic Dash 2 which ran very smoothly on the T710, drops frames and stutters a low on the T713.

I'm starting to think that the recent Qualcomm CPUs are just pure garbage. My nexus 6P was heating like crazy and had horrible basic gaming performance. My note 5 (exnyos) had an absolute fantastic performance with the same games.

Also, the speakers on the new models are far worse than the 2015 models.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
The new S2 is touted as Value Edition so I'd say it's not surprising the original S2 performs better.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] clubtech:
They are priced the same, so not sure about that.

These games worked beautifully on the T710 with Marshmallow. I think this is more related to the latest Snapdragon processors. The 652 and the 810 in the Nexus 6P were awful when it comes to basic gaming and heat.