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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] brivent:
ok i'm new to all this PDA stuff-anyway i went to change it to MEdia Max 200 Bundle for 19.99-now whats the diffeerence between this plan and the PDA plans-when i click on them to read about them the PDA one says unlimted data connect, where the MEdia Max 200 Bundle says UNLIMITED MEdia Net. whats the difference. i just want to make sure i dont get any suprise charges on my next bill. thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] BuckAv:
This is my question as well. I would love to cut my monthly charge down to 19.99, but I want to make sure that I won't be losing anything. I would also be more than willing to make the change through one of you reps.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] intrglctcrevfnk:
With the Media Max setup the only APN you can connect to is wap.cingular.

You CANNOT use isp.cingular. If you do use isp.cingular you can get charged for that. The unlimited wap.cingular is fine for me.

This is what I use wap.cingular for and have no problems(provided you run the disable proxy (which takes away the MediaNet home crap))

Here we go:

-Normal web browsing (PIE, Opera, etc.)

-Streaming ORB from my comupter (through PIE and WMP)

-Slingbox(LOVE IT! But watch your data consumption, NEITHER of the plans are truly 'unlimited';pda or not.)

-Xpress Fail as a mail client.(I know it sucks but it syncs my html email if I delete an email I don't want.)

-Mocha VNC for remote desktop viewing.

-Internet sharing

-Others I can't think of.

All of these work perfectly through the wap.cingular connection. I've been using it for a long time now, I'm sure there are achived threads about this here.....

Anyway it's all good!

A little caveat though... My wife left the slingbox 'slinging' to her phone for 8 hours the first day we got it, used damn near 1 gig in a 48 hour period! So im being cautious and viewing my account untill the next billing cycle. Normal usage of 300-500MB a month for me has never caused any problems. Used to stream with orb all the time and never got noticed. But I figure HUGE data jumps like that might get red flagged..

I started another thread around here wondering what the magical number is when the 'unlimited' data plans no longer become unlimited.

I know it's 5 Gigs in a month for Verizon....

But anyway with wifi on the 8525 I just get onto the unsecured wifi at my work and use my slingbox mainly through there. So I'm at 175MB and the wife is at 1200MB, halfway through the billing cycle.

Long winded I know but I just wanted to explain what kind and what amount of data I've used with no problem. Saves a ton of money per month. Besides all the horror stories about getting charged were usually resolved with a call to customer service and a switch to the proper plan, thereby getting away scott free...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] BK8525:
So then why even have your website then if it pulls money out of reps pockets? So schmoes can order products/accessories and fill your pockets? I'd be ashamed to be a rep who cared only about quota and not customer satisfaction. Call the wahmbulance buddy.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] brivent:
thanks for explaining the difference-helped out alot but which setting do you use wap. or isp i think you are saying use wap-one question which i am sure is so simple i should know how to do it, is how do you switch from isp to wap. thanks again for all the help
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ChrisFB:
For what it's worth I was on the MediaNet $19.95 plan with my 8525. Pretty reasonable data usage per month - sub 50meg (99% exchange sync etc...). All of a sudden after 4 months my internet/data stopped working right on the data of a billing cycle. I called in and they had disabled it (after first trying to tell me that plan wouldn't work and giving me related lines of ****) and required that I sign up for the $39.95 plan. No rebates or deals were involved. I'm guessing they are starting to audit accounts.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] intrglctcrevfnk:
@brivent: Modify the My ISP settings. connection name:wap.cingular

UN:WAP@CINGULARGRPS.COM

PW:CINGULAR1

@ChrisFB: I've heard this can happen. But you just had to change your plan back to the 'correct' plan right? No overages?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ChrisFB:
No overages that I know of at this point. Haven't seen my bill but the rep mentioned nothing about them.

As far as changing it back. At this point, I've had a conversation with the company so I probably won't. That said, they never actually "warned" or "informed" me. There was no notice at all and I spent the whole morning troubleshooting. To be honest, the lady told me a bunch of stuff that was totally wrong and said the plan shouldn't work at all even when it had for months. I could probably swap it back and tell them, it got turned off, I talked to a rep who obviously knew nothing, and to get service I allowed her to turn it on and then changed it back to the plan I was using successfully before.

That said, obviously my account has already been looked at and the chances of it happening again might be higher (might be random too, but very obviously something made them look at mine). How far do I really want to push on them for $20 a month. I'm not sure I want to deal with it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Gyngabread Man:
they do it so they can make money that much easier. it is a fortune 500 company and before i worked for them i did everything online because i was already on the computer and would notice ads about promos and i would just hop onto their website and make change!!! either way the company makes money off of you. why not just help some1 with their things it doesnt cost you money and if anything then if anything happens the blame falls on the rep and not you.. i did a switch for somebody today and i made sure it was properly done i chenged the IMEI on the account and put in a note about the customer switching to a SYNC as to not get flagged and i even went as far to make sure it all happens with the billing cycle to not give them proration.. i think the last part shows im not being greedy yes it does help me with my numbers but it also helps you out as and makes sure that everything is done right..some people can be jerks... as for the audits the i did notice last month that the system was doing an automated account sweep on features that might be why they caught on to you... and also you will no longer be able to do it online or thru care starting on the 17th of november. they are updating policies and systems to no longer allow media max plan on PDA's so only way to get it on there after next week will be thru a rep in a store anyways... just giving you guys a head up on that...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Gyngabread Man:
thanks man and what part if the company work for
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jazzster:
hey Gyngabread man, thanks for helping me out with my data plan....checked my account and it's been switched over....you the man!!! fyi to those who'll say, I tried first to change my settings online but the pdaunlimted was fixed and wouldn't let me so I took the man up on his offer.....again thanks so much....

James
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Xyberz:
For all you haters out there, shame on you and your mother! Your mother should've taught you to share.

It's completely true that if you add anything or purchase it through the website, you TRULY are taking money out of the reps pockets! Everything that goes online is all profit besides cost for AT&T. The reps don't see one fricken red cent of ANY of that!

So yeah, go ahead, add it all on yourselves, then when they start firing reps cause all the business goes online, you'll be crying like a ***** having to either send your phone in to get it serviced and or waiting hours just to get help in stores cause there aren't enough reps.

Maybe someone should go to your job, make it super efficient for the company so they earn all the profits without the need of workers like you and me, then fire your @ss for having such a stupid attitude about helping reps out.

Maybe you should rethink your disposition about helping reps out. Truly if we add it on and help you out like we are, it only benefits YOU and we get a little something out of it also.

So PM myself or any of the other reps posting in this thread to add on your feature. It will only take but a few minutes to add it on.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Xyberz:
The Tilt (8925) comes with the WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM setting on it. It's not isp.cingular no more, at least with this phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mmartin9:
Thanks Gyngabread Man

Hey I just wanted to chime in and say that I took Gyngabread Man up on his offer and he changed my plan and sent me the official ATT receipt showing the changes, so I know it's legit.

I just made a skype call and it was great, hopefully I changed ISP to WAP correctly though.

Also I use to work as a rep at ATT so I know how hard those quotas can be. If you've got a couple of minutes just let one of the reps do it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] BuckAv:
Same here. Everything looks good to me, and all of the paperwork looks legit. Now I just have to make sure that my settings for WAP are correct.

Thanks Gyngabread Man!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Gyngabread Man:
no problem guys and thanks for giving me the chance to help you guys out and backing me up =)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] BuckAv:
Quick question. Is Media Net wap or isp?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Gyngabread Man:
i believe it is wap
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Reaper29:
IMEI #

I have two 8525's running on a four phone plan and only one was purchased from ATT and one off Ebay yet when I check my plan info on thier site it shows 8525's on both the # I have them working on and my exwife got my daughter a phone from a used reseller and that phone model show's up in my account information so I would be a little cautious about things as it seems they are pulling your model info from the IMEI #'s

Remeber you can only play with a dragon so long before you get burned
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Xyberz:
Mine hasn't recognized it yet. I keep resetting it to a Razr that I also have and it switches it back to another LG phone I also have. Hopefully this deters them in a way.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Gyngabread Man:
yea i noticed this too... also when i click on a support link it shows me phone a customer is really using depite what is registered to the account... but i think any flags will be raised
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Goanna:
What I want to know is why there is a differance in price in the first place. Why is the exact same plan more money if you use a PDA then if you were to use a SmartPhone? Stuff like that really annoys me.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jonrobertd:
seriously that is a great question!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Xyberz:
Well from a business standpoint, you wouldn't charge a Ferrari the same price to change the oil from a Pinto would you?

A PDA phone is meant to be upscale and the next level above. So honestly I can see why they charge so much more for it, even though technically they will both bring you to the same internet.

Is it fair, maybe, maybe not. I guess it's who perceives it for what it is.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] armedmetallica:
it probably has to do with support issues. ppl that have a pda phone w. internet that AREN'T computer saavy probably call a whole lot more than the folks that have a razr or something with internet. Like you said, it depends on the complexity of the machine in question.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Goanna:
Yeah but people without a PDA phone who are using an unlimited data plan are most likely tethering to a PC, or using a smartphone which is still running windows or palm.

If it's a case of support issues (which I doubt in this case), then they should have multiple plans, one w/ support for people who need it, one without support for those who dont.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jlebeane:
Ok the difference between the PDA connect plan and the media net plan are vervy minimal. If any at all. If your using your phone for simple everyday internet use, you will never be able to tell the difference. The only thing i have notice between the two is that when i am trying to send emails i have a hard time getting them to send. I get the emails just fine. But it all depends on what you choose to do with your phone. I do everything from visit msn, cnn, msn money, espn, the golf channel, my online banking, and paying bills all on a $19.99 media net plan. And I connect at over 750 kbs. I have even been upwards of 1.2 - 1.5 mbs in chicago. And saving $20.00 per month on my phone bill is great. Except it goes in my gas tank now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MC1983:
I took Gyngabread Man up on his offer and he took care of everything for me. If you guys need anything done, I wouldn't hesitate to hit up Gyngabread Man.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] chedlin:
There are no differences between the plans. I went with DataConnect after a rep threatened to notate my account (and presumably drop me to pay per use) from a store visit. I wanted to use the isp AP for some advanced networking, but it wouldn't work. The only way to get that is to have a tethering plan.

That confirms that there is NO difference between PDA connect and Medianet unlimited. I made my change online several months ago, so I can't take up Gingerbread man on his offer.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Goanna:
I am wondering now if when T-Mobile launches their 3G network in a few days (supposedly) if the $5.99 T-Zones trick will wind up getting people full 3G speeds.

I am still in my 30 Day trial period with ATT. If that winds up being the case I am probably going to head back to T-Mo.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ChrisFB:
If it took the same oil, same amount, and was just as easy to install I fail to see the justification of charging more despite wanting to get paid more simply because a company believes they can charge more because one drives a nicer car. Unlimited is unlimited - they merely want to justify charging some people more. And very obviously they are getting away with it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Goanna:
Class action suit anyone? :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ChrisFB:
Given the murkiness of the guidelines and differentiation in phones there's probably a case to be made. For a while it was only the PDAs that couldn't use medianet (whereas the Smartphone OS flavor was okay with it). Then as Smartphones got popular they wanted them on the more expensive plans so they said, any phone with a keyboard - I have yet to see a keyboard access the internet. Problem is some non-keyboarded smartphones i.e. MPx220 etc...don't have full keyboards but use the exact same OS.

It really comes down to them trying to charge more to people with perceived higher end devices based on the proposed higher usage. Plus, it's the whole "new" thing. These phones are only now hitting the mainstream so they want to make money off it and people are used to paying up for new stuff so they take it a bit easier. They already have had many business customers with Blackberry and data is the new frontier of charges now that minutes is largely commoditized.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Goanna:
I actualy just ran the idea to a class action attorney. Waiting to hear back from them.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] twist:
I just wanted to say that Gyngabread Man was totally legit and totally cool, he was able to get all my problems resolved, if I ever have any issues in the future with my Atnt service I will be contacting him before I bother waiting on hold and getting a less that satisfactory level of service!

Thanks Gyngabread Man!!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] stevebonning:
Another option is to just go online and sign up for the $19.95 MediaMax service as I did.

Steve
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] ChrisFB:
If you read the thread you'll find that it appears AT&T is now scanning some of their accounts to detect this. This happened to me, you'll find my account a page or so back.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] xxjabberwockxx:
Thanks Gyngabread man!! works great. when I first got this 8525 upgrade from an 8125 they told me the internet wasn't working because I didn't have the pda plan. They put me on it and it still didn't work initially. Proof that you don't 'need' the pda plan. Gyn is legit. Thank you again!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] tdm850:
ISP connection setting for T-Mobile (USA)

Hi,

Does anyone know the ISP connection setting for T-Mobile?

I've been thinking to sign up T-zone.

Thanks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] viperflyer:
I have a question. Say I tell a rep to change my phone IMEI to that of another non-PDA phone and then have them add unlimited MediaNet plan, can't AT&T check to verify whether I am using a PDA phone or the other one that they change registration to, to access the internet? If they can, wouldn't that create problems and give them another reason to disable internet access and have you sign up for the more expensive plan? I paid 40.00 for over a year for getting to the same net that I could have with another phone, mini Opera and half the money - count me in for a class action lawsuit.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] zcink:
T-mobile is the way to go. Unlimited access for $19.99 a month is the best you can do. If you invest in 3 watt booster from Wilson Electronics the speed is quite good. I get download speeds of over 200 upload is like 90, on my Laptop.

I tried to switch to AT&T a year ago. Its sucks. Glad I stuck with T-Mobile.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] galaxys:
Yes, the $19.95 T-Mobile unlimited is a great plan!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Gyngabread Man:
sad to say but the company can and does see what phone you are using each and every single time your sim card is in a phone and powered on...sounds creepy but its true I almost got fired for having 5 IMEI's on my cou that weren't registered by the company for use on that line.... man this thread sure has grown
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] elsmacko:
Yeah...well I like the $5.99 plan (tzones, t-mobile), just put the proxy server settings in the phone and you are set.

$6/mth, unlimited internet, and YES my exchange push email is working over it too hehehe :-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] galaxys:
Cool...glad it's working for u! My package also includes unlimited world wide t-mob wifi hotspots access since I travel often. Can't wait for t-mob to get 3G going...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Goanna:
Once T-Mobile gets 3g launched, if they keep that $5.99 T-zones plan on there, I will probably switch back to them, and just pay the cancelation fee from AT&T.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] scasper76:
Anyone know if this plan is offered to "Pay as you Go" customers? Hopefully one of the reps can answer this for me or maybe even hook me up with it, if not available to us pay as you go customers... :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] inneyeseakay:
So... There is a way... although very illegal, but you can change you IMEI's right? So, couldn't you always go buy a busted up POS razr or something and change the IMEI of your PDA to that? That way, even AT&T doesn't know that you have a PDA?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] DLStahl:
would also like to say thanks to Gyngabread man for his help switching my account over - I have full 3G service in SF just as before - nothing changed except for the extra $20 a month in my pocket!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] rad_dsm:
Gyngabread Man,

Can you hook me up for the $19.95 data plan, my number is in a PM to you.

I saw that online they have the dual phone for $49 with free shipping, can you match that.

Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] meyekulbayrd:
I'm using a T-Mo phone through ATT. I'll never sign a contract again. A Rep I know put me on the 19.99 Unlimited data plan when I got my MDA.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] rad_dsm:
Is anyone still using the AT&T Media Max plan for $19.95 on a PDA?

Did you sign up online or via a rep?

Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] inneyeseakay:
Be careful, they are supposed to be charging you correctly as of the 20th. That means if you are using MediaMax with a PDA, you will still be charged for the data because it's not covered on that plan :O
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Rogue9:
Since AT&T recently overhauled their data plans I'm looking at the cheapest "unlimited" plan, here's the options I'm seeing on their site. with the explanations for each option...

Data Connect with WiFi $60.00 :mad:

Data Connect add on with WIFI access. Used in conjunction with voice plan

PDA Personal Add-on Unlimited Messages $50.00 :mad:

This plan is available as an add-on to voice plan for PDA devices only and includes unlimited data connect plus unlimited messaging (including text, picture, video messages and instant messaging). International messages not included.

PDA Personal Add-on 200 Messages $35.00

This plan is available as an add-on to voice plan for PDA devices only and includes unlimited data connect plus 200 instant messages (including text, picture, video messages and instant messaging).

PDA Personal Add-on $30.00

PDA Personal Add-on This plan is available as an add-on to voice plan for PDA devices only and includes unlimited data connect.

Whats with the "w/ WiFi"??? :confused:

Is $30/mo the cheapest plan out there ffrom AT&T that will work with PDA's?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] warpkari:
Hi, anyone else noticed that double tap to wake sometimes does not work? It's like when the phone is in deep sleep, the gestures just don't register until after a few attempts...

Thanks.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Heisenberg420:
Its a form a pocket detection to prevent the phone from waking involuntarily. Sometimes it requires movement during the double tap.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] warpkari:
Hmm could be. So if it's on a flat surface sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Oh well... Thanks, I thought it was just me.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Lancerz:
I see people don't pay attention, you have to pick the phone up.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] warpkari:
Lol yes you're right.

It's just that it's been working like half of the times when on a flat surface so I didn't think about that.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] cobrax2:
:( this is very annoying on the m9 also. haven't found a way to disable it
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Alpert3:
It's normal.

Double tap wake the phone has to be when the sensor detected the movement of the device. This is an expected behavior.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] cobrax2:
i know, but its annoying. as the phone sits on the table, i should be able to wake it to see what's up...

when dt2w was ported to m7 by elementalx and the onthers, it was like that. and much better
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Genetic517:
If the phone is laying down I just hold the fingerprint/home button to wake the phone. I don't have a fingerprint or pass code set though.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] cengizbey:
This doesn't work for me, it works sometimes but not always. Any clues?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dlads:
If your phone was listening to double taps all the time your battery would go quicker, which is why people avoided it when it was ported to the m7. Better in regards to speed but a lot worse as you got battery drain due to it listening all the time.

In all honesty I would avoid both, reason being is is rather my device wasn't always listening for motion either.

All of the motion gestures I've turned off, battery does improve because of it.

Set your home button to double tap to sleep and it will wake on holding the home button anyway, best solution for prolonging battery life I've found whilst retaining some kind of double tap gesture.