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[Galaxy Tab S2 General] midnightrider:
No, it's hardware. It's a borked crypto implementation courtesy of Qualcomm and affects all the Snapdragon chips (I believe). They have not said whether the same or a similar problem exists with Exynos yet.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] taingster:
I am updated to t713xxu1apg1. Also I have 3 other different tablets and 2 phones that don't experience any drop out. I'm starting to think it's faulty wifi hardware/drivers on my t713. Hopefully a future update will fix it as I'm unable to buy new router for now. Thanks for input.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] suzook:
Its coming. You would be stupid not to wait and see what the s3 is.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] episode96:
Of course it's coming. The question is when... and all I'm saying is that there's nothing credible to indicate it's going to be next month. Not a single leak that not's either clickbait, mistaking it for the refreshed Tab S2 with SD 652/620, or both.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] midnightrider:
I say the S3 is going to be a rebadged 2016 Qualcomm S2 that's already out... R&D is expensive and these tablets are already good. Like I said not that they couldn't be improved with a better/faster CPU and a litte more RAM but they still rule over pretty much anything else.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Simsons2:
So how big of a difference there is between T713 (2015) vs T713 (2016). Not sure which one i should go for - the 2015 version goes for 315 euros here while 2016 is about 350-370 euros. Is going for 2016 version worth those 20% price/50-60 euros difference
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] pda48428:
I feel like such a fool and wasted time and gas money. From the mixed reviews I've seen across the web on the t710 vs t713, I was so curious that I returned my t713 for a t710. I mainly did it because I thought the t710 would run cooler, but I got temperatures over 200 degrees Fahrenheit just surfing the web on the t710 in a cool room! Luckily I got to return it and get a t713 back. From my experience the t713 is superior in every way. The CPU, GPU and battery life are all better on the t713. It also runs cooler even though it still gets pretty hot too. The bottom line is the t713 is the best tablet out there for the price and there is no reason to think about going with the t710 over the t713.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
Can anyone comment how CSR Racing 2 runs on the Snapdragon? I have a T-810 and am considering switching. Lots of positive things written here about SD but noticed a few people saying Exynos is much better in long term.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
CSR Racing 2 runs smoothly in snapdragon, possibly a few fps more than the exynos. Not significant enough to warrant a switch however, if you can wait a few more months it'd better to switch to the Tab S3, due to be released early Q1 2017.

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/10/14...-and-lte-sm-t820-sm-t825-to-launch-in-q1-2017
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
Cheers for the reply. I play CSR 2 a lot on mine and it definitely does not run smoothly (at least nothing compared to ipad air 2). If it costs me nothing to switch to snapdragon, would it be worth it? Don't want to wait for S3 given that it might get further delayed because of Samsung's Death Note fiasco.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
Is there any rumor about s3 specs? I hope they not be cosmetic. And to see first 7 inch tab S, as nexus 7 2016, but it is not real... At least back to 16x10 ratio.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
In that case, I think switching to the Snapdragon would be good idea.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Akopps:
The Geekbench 4 score of the 2016 models is about 40-50% better than the original model. It's quite an improvement. On the other hand, buying a new tablet even though it has only somewhat faster SoC without much of other improvements would not have been worth it to me. Just hang onto your tablet until something truly better comes along. Honestly, the Android tablet market of 2016 looks somewhat depressing as haven't seen any truly new or interesting devices.

I think the only notable device is the Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 Plus, which should arrive by the holidays. It's basically a large tablet that's optimized for playing video with a 10.1 QHD screen. The SoC is SD652. Considering I use large tablets primarily for video, the Yoga Tab 3 Plus would be preferable than the S2 for me. But right now, my older original Tab S 10.5 is still alive, so I am not replacing it yet.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/lenovo/yoga-tablet-series/yoga-tab-3-plus/
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
Thanks again Mandroid. Quick question - if I only need wifi should I still get the LTE version (seems it has a slightly faster cpu)?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] a Mandroid:
If you only need wifi, I'd recommend just getting the wifi versions with Snapdragon (SM-T713 Or SM-T813). I didn't find any performance benefit with the LTE version, and the wifi versions weigh slightly less. Have fun!

PS. You may find the Samsung Game Tuner handy to control graphics settings in games.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
Cool~

Mega thanks for all the advice!
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
Incredible what a difference game tuner makes on CSR2; awesome frame rate and I don't even notice a difference in quality. Loading times aside, it almost plays better than on ipad air 2. Perhaps no need to switch after all :p
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
One stupid Q: how is possible that for some snapdragon 652 devices community has excellent cm roms (some xiaomi) and nothing for tab s2 or a9 samsung for example?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] scanno:
Perhaps because there is no developer that has one?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Ravel74:
Care to share what settings you chose in the game tuner to have drastic improvement?

Thanks:)
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
Maximum power saving for CSR2; MKX runs fine without any tuning.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Ravel74:
Looks like the general consensus is the T713 is better than the t710 in performance with the exception of a few who experience the opposite. Unexpected since some previously claim the Mali T760 MP6 is faster than the Adreno 510.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] KostasR:
How the tab s2 (2016) 8" is compared to the shield K1 regarding general and gaming performance? Does the Tab S2 (2016) supports game tuner?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] xaocel:
Do you guys know if the book case from t815 will fitnthe t819?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] heorung:
Does 2016 version has quick charge?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] whynottoday:
No
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Fluffbutt:
------------------ Clock - GFlops

Mali-T760 MP6 - 700 MHz - 142.8

Adreno 510 - 600 MHz - 180

According to kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/

But that's probably a limited test.

This tablet buying is a complete minefield! So many variations in cpu, gpu, within a brand even!

And then there's the scam tablets - the "4 gig 64 gig 2560x1920" Chinese tabs that are 1 gig 8 gig, 1200x800, just spoofed to show differently.

I like the Samsung Galaxy S2 9.7 - that screen is supposed to be brilliant and the loss of half inch on the 10.1 tabs is nothing. Gps + compass (many have gps but no compass, gps without compass is like buying a car with no steering wheel) BUT DEAR!!! Â£450-500!

But then, the Huawei Mediapad M2 10 also has gps, compass, and it Â£100 cheaper (lower res screen, not amoled) - Â£315

Or a cheapy, Lenovo Tab 2 A10-70F, gps without compass (so crippled) but Â£135... lower res screen (different level of tablet completely).

Hmm... and then there's the variations within each brand... the Snappy galaxy or the Enny Galaxy? The Huawei 2G/16G or 3G/64G...

(I've been and seen scams so much that it's probably better to not even buy!))
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] 2be3_80:
According to gsmarena and pdadb tab s2 has got compass
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Fluffbutt:
Yes, that's what attracted me to it, partly.

The real problem is - who to believe?

Example:

Samsung website themselves say the Galaxy Tab S2 does MHL... but other people say, "No, it doesn't".

It's possible they removed the option in the new Qually-core tab but it was in the older Exy-core one?

Not that it's a game changer for me - MHL is the wired link from HMDI-USB out to TV HDMI in (correct me if I'm wrong).

As long as it can still "cast", miracast or whatever, to the TV (mine is 2008, needs a dongle), I'm happy. HappyChappy -> :laugh:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] 2be3_80:
Ok, I have tab s2 (signature) and have hjust installed compass app, and it worked without glitches. It showed magnetic field strength
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ivanox1972:
If I see good: tab s2 2015 edition (probably only 9.7 both models) will be only Samsung devices to have official nougat rom AND cm 14 rom. ..
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Fluffbutt:
Sweet - mine arrived today 1pm... been charging it and playing a bit with it.

That screen is gorgeous... but I;d like to find the arsepipe who decided to use non-standard microsd port.. I mean, a bloody TRAY carrier you have to pop out with a special pin tool? Fart about slotting the microsd into it then push it back into the tablet body?? Bloody GRRRRRRR.

What moron thought that would be a good idea? WTF was wrong with the "push to click" insert and "push to unlock" removal?

And I bet it's not just a standard needle size, if you lose it you'd likely hunt for ages to get the right size pin...
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] scanno:
It is a standard needle. Could not find it and used the Sim needle from my phone.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Fluffbutt:
Thanks for that (my phone doesn't need a needle, the sim just "sits" there under the battery (remember the old Nokia 3310?))

I still have mine (brand new tab today), I might make a little tether and attach it to the case, when it arrives.

You gotta admit - push click and push unclick is a LOT simpler than a tray-carrier thing! -- What happens if you lose it or it breaks (or eaten by the dog)... I wonder if you can still push-slot-in the MSD card? (like the readers, no spring click but just push into firm grip).
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] wilson_smyth:
Is it worth picking up the 2015 version of the S2 (8 inch) if its at a good price?

I was holding out until CES 2017 to see if the S3 was comming soon, but Samsung had the stage yesterday morning and didnt mention tablets at all, just talked about tv's, fridges, washing machines and chromebooks.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Masteryates:
If the price is right, of course its worth picking up the 2015 version. I've been using this version for 6 months now and there is nothing wrong with it at all.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] :
Get the ve in the uk here

http://www.very.co.uk
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Ather:
Get the nook version, lots of cheap prices on eBay, then you can flash any stock Rom on it and get rid of all the bloat that's what I did...its a regular T710 (8") with nook apps
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] tamerh:
S2 exynos 2015 has quicker writing speed for micro sd port than s2 snapdragon 2016
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] JayRayMee.NL:
My 2015 Exynos Tab S2 9.7" has trouble playing 100 Mbps H.264 UHD video at 60 fps.

Using MX Player Pro with the HW+ decoder for that.

100 Mbps UHD @ 30 fps is no problem, but seemingly also the max, as 60 fps at HW+ does open, but plays back in "extreme slow motion".

Newer hardware such as the Galaxy S7 and S8 plays the same video's without problems.

So to get this playing on a tablet, I figured the Snapdragon 820 equipped Galaxy Tab S3 would do the job, but the 4G version S3 is expensive!

So that leaves me wondering: seeing the CPU/GPU benchmark increase in the S2 2015/S2 2016 comparison earlier in this thread: will a 2016 Tab S2 be capable of playing back my 60 fps UHD video files fluently in MX Player Pro?

Example of a 60 fps UHD video: http://distribution.bbb3d.renderfarming.net/video/mp4/bbb_sunflower_2160p_60fps_stereo_abl.mp4
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] JayRayMee.NL:
Anyone?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Limeybastard:
Downloaded it , now what?

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I installed MX player non pro version. Seems ok

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Also plays two split screen mirror image
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] JayRayMee.NL:
Ok, so the 4K 60fps video plays smoothly and at normal speed without any lag/stutter? Is the audio 100% in-sync with the video?

And you have the Tab S2 2016 Snapdragon unit?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Limeybastard:
Id like to be able to give you an accurate reply. I downloaded the file and also a program called mx player. The free version.

After the file had been downloaded i launched mx player and it found the file in question. It played it but it showed split screen top half and bottom half of video being played was mirror image of each other. Not sure if that was normal or not? Everything seemed slow motion but not stuttered snd seemed smooth. Mine is a sm-t819y same cpu spec etc as sm-t813 2016 tab s2.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] JayRayMee.NL:
Hi there,

Seems I used the wrong link for the stereoscopic 3D version.

Please use this link instead to try: http://distribution.bbb3d.renderfarming.net/video/mp4/bbb_sunflower_2160p_60fps_normal.mp4

Make sure the MX Player is using the HW+ decoder (it should show "HW+" in the top right when the video controls are on screen).

If the playback seems smooth but slow motion (obviously not true 60 fps), and the audio is not completely in sync, then the Snapdragon 2016 version of the Tab S2 also can't cope with 4K/UHD @ 60 fps...
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Limeybastard:
Plays alright not slow motion but also not 100% like youtube video i watched, but sound kicks out intermittently. So I'd say the 2016 version cannot fully work either.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] JayRayMee.NL:
Would you be able to make a video of the playback on yours and upload it (temporary) to e.g. YouTube?

Would like to see the result.

Thnx for all the help.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] mrkapqa:
Hello Guys,

i got today a SM-T719N which i find very nice (swapped it in for a Apple Mini 2) but unfortunately the Bluetooth Tethering from my MacPro (Bluetooth 4.0) to the Tablet is very unstable eg. not working properly. I am thinking it might be because of the update in the Software (it run Marshmallow , have already updated to Nougat),

so now i am pondering whether to sell it and try to find the 2015 model with the Exynos CPU, although according to this site here

http://www.devicespecifications.com/de/comparison/d3aa79856

the newer Tab S2 has more Bluetooth Capabilities; i am hoping that the Bluetooth Tethering is still active on the Lollipop,

but it could also be a problem with my MacPro because originally it came with Bleutooth 2.1 and i have updated it with a Kit to Bluetooth 4.0

Do you recoomend me going back to the earlier model T715N ? Overall, besides the Bluetooth issue, after a first quick test, i find the Tablet very nice and responsive, maybe a bit short on battery, but thats not biggest issue.

Please help.

Thanks

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according to this site here there should not be a big drawback in terms of power when using the previous model

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/5229624?baseline=5231112

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[Galaxy Tab S2 General] mrkapqa:
Benchmarks SM t719 Samsung Galaxy S2 8.0 (2016)

Gesendet von meinem SM-T719 mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] FloggingDolphin:
sorry if I hadn't replied earlier. I'd have to check when I get home but I think I just chose the standard maximum performance setting as I didn't notice any degradation in graphics from it and it made a considerable difference.

The key thing I noticed was that int he CSR 2 game the speedometer needle used to skip frames but after game tuner it was perfectly smooth just like on iPad Air 2.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Masteryates:
Guys, I've got a T715 and my mother bought a T819 six months ago.

My T715 is very consistent on everything it does, (but not particularly quick,) but my mothers T819 is much more inconsistent and she complains of keyboard lag.

Have any of you noticed inconsistency in the performance of the SD652 versions coming from the Exynos?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] ashyx:
I'd simply change the keyboard. SwiftKey is far superior to the pants stock keyboard.

I'd also ensure the device is up to date. You shouldn't be having lag issues on either device.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] schnoeselmeier:
I know this is an old thread and the t-710 is outdated but IMHO still a very nice device. I just reached an antutu score of 83799 with it. I am on Roadrunner OS, Android, Android 7.0, Security patch 01. July 2018...
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Masteryates:
Your right Schnoeselmeier, still a nice piece of kit and thankfully Samsung keep pumping out Security updates. Second hand, the price has also hit a plateu. :angel:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] :
I need a tablet for my mother. I prefer amoled. What should i buy ? Is the tab s2 8inch VE good buy now for 300Euro ?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Masteryates:
This tablet would be great for your mother at its really really light and doesn't put strain on the wrists with prolonged usage. There is a downside to the weight which is battery life. You are talking maybe 4h of SOT between charges, (much less with Skype.)

There is no way in the world its worth 300 Euro however. Here in the UK you can pick one up used for around £150 with a 2 year warranty which is much better value. :victory:

This tablet is still on Nougat and is unlikely to get Oreo or Pie. Samsung still push security updates every so often. :cool:
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] v00d007:
One thing I definately noticed by comparing several T815 vs T819 was that the "old" one's display is way better in homogeneity. It's like with many other Samsung devices, the 1st model has highly selected displays. The ones following after ~a year then get the displays that weren't good enough for the launch. I.e. I had some S4, S5 smartphones that all showed this difference. All the same with S4 9505 vs 9515 ("Value" Edition).

Performance is all the same - no noticeable difference at all..Same with battery cycles for me.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] HomeyJay:
Confused, please help..

Ive got a little confused with all the model variants flying about. I’d like to get one of these Tab S2 but what’s the conclusion? Is the 2016 model better than the 2015 model?

A friend said that the 2015 model has the Mali gpu and that’s much faster than the Adreno that the 2016 refresh and that the Qualcomm chipset is not as fast as the Exynos that the original ran.

There are many secondhand at good prices but I just want to get the best performing one.

Can anyone please advise?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Akopps:
The original S2 from 2015 used an Exynos SoC with A57 CPU cores, just like Snapdragon 808 and 810. Those A57 cores were bad, no matter what the implementation (Snapdragon or Exynos), but sadly all of top tier Android devices came with those A57 cores in 2015. This is why I personally think that all of 2015 Android devices should have been "written off". The A57 cores run too hot, used too much energy, and this is why they had to be throttled. In 2016, Samsung decided that they will not release a new tablet to replace the S2 for that year, but seeing how poor the A57 cores were, they silently replaced the Exynos SoC in S2 in 2016 with a Snapdragon SoC that used A72 cores. The A72 cores did not share the same problems with the A57 cores, and were faster according to benchmarks. The A72 cores actually performed very well when fabricated on the modern 14nm or similar process, but alas, the ones in S2 were still using 28nm. Anyways, the 2016 revision was better, but probably not good enough for someone owning an Exynos based S2 to trade for the updated version.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] jshamlet:
Yeah, I wouldn't upgrade from a 2015 Tab S2 to a 2016 - the improvement is too marginal to make it worth it. About the only real benefit is the slightly newer battery.

On the other hand, if you can get it cheap enough, the Tab S2 is still a credible tablet even today depending on what you are doing with it. I've been reliving the glory days of Baldur's Gate on my S2, and it performs very well.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DoNoEvil:
Antutu Benchmark says my T813 is running 64bit Android.

Here's a screenshot of the Antutu info page: http://i.imgur.com/KloOtwz.jpg
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Rekan_:
Thanks mate, hoping to get one tomorrow :D
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] dalingrin:
Not sure about documentation but my device is running an AArch64 kernel and ro.product.cpu.abi reports arm64-v8a
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DoNoEvil:
Good luck! :good:

Just so you know what to look out for, there should be a very small "SM-T813" in the bottom right on the back of the box.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Anyone here have both the 2015 version and the 2016 version?

a T710 and a T713 or a T810 and a T813?
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] undertaker2k14:
If someone can post detailed geekbench scores including battery scores and antutu scores for T-713/813, would be highly appreciated :)
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Exactly! Please do! :D
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] mario..64:
Geekbench 3. Both devices running 6.0.1

T810 = 1279 single core / 4443 multicore

T813 = 1496 single core / 5077 multicore
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Do you have your 3D score from that Antutu run?

Here are my T710 results

Antutu Main: 51567

Antutu 3D :12196

Antutu UX :15974

Antutu CPU :18075

Antutu RAM :5322

Geekbench 3 Single Core: 1227

Geekbench 3 Multi Core : 4119
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] undertaker2k14:
My T810 scores on 6.0.1 are :

Geek Bench: 1280 SC / 4400 MC

Antutu: 65000

Scores unchanged from 5.1.1 though the experience is more fluid and battery life up by about 20%.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] dalingrin:
SM-T713 Antutu:

Overall: 78718

3D: 18055

UX: 28769

CPU: 24082

RAM: 7812
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] York2k16:
Just a quick note: Keep in mind that the new Snapdragon devices are coming with Android 6.0.1. That means that the new models (and every other device coming with MM preinstalled) are encrypted by factory default, which could affect performance too.

To be get actual, comparable benchmark results both variants need to be on 6.0.1 and either be decrypted or encrypted. Also it is a 32bit Sytem (Exynos) vs 64 (Snapdragon), but I don't know how much or if this affects the benchmark results.
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] optionalmgrr.la:
with history of snapdragons being more developer friendly, i'm worried my exynos t710 will no longer see good cyanogenmod support :(

sad...
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] mario..64:
Both devices running 6.0.1. I was pleasantly surprised that the Snapdragon beat the Exynos in 3D. My understanding was that it was slower.

T810 Antutu:

Main = 69120

3D = 15734

UX = 24903

CPU = 23043

RAM = 5440

T813 Antutu:

Main = 79350

3D = 17795

UX = 28664

CPU = 25174

RAM = 7717
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] DeeXii:
Here are my T713 results:

Antutu Main: 79593

Antutu 3D: 18035

Antutu UX: 29254

Antutu CPU: 24615

Antutu RAM: 7689
[Galaxy Tab S2 General] Themetnut:
What kind of battery life are you seeing with the t713?