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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fuzzycuffs:
I've noticed intermittent freezing as well. Sometimes in PocketIE, sometimes in various RSS readers.

As for apps I'm running... all sorts I guess. Stock ATT Tilt rom that I uninstalled most crap from. HTC Home screen, all sorts of apps (but none that run in the background without me knowing).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cheesey:
U mean traded mean exchange with no cost because warranty?

btw i also disable the task manager at menu on today screen, the freeze gone abit, but i still have the freeze thinggie...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] roverman:
Yes, I got a new one without worrying about warranty repairs b/c it was less than 30 days after purchasing the original. The new one has the HTC homeplug among other things and is still fine....looking for wood to knock on.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cheesey:
can tell us ur rom version? or radio version?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] roverman:
rom 1.57.502.2 radio 1.27.12.11
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
Mine is still freezing everywhere all the time. I've seen the task manager icon really wig out sometimes while it locks up, anyone still think its the task manager? I've had two seperate versions installed on this rom tho...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cheesey:
Its look like that u using older rom version? Mine is 1.81.707.0 WWE. But i got same radio with u.

This is wired why the freeze occur, need to find out what is the problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omaralt:
this is seriously getting old, i love my tilt, i just cant live with this freezng issue. for those of u who dont have this freezng, what rom r u running?

prolly gonna try to hard reset it and see if it helps...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] yozh:
After disabling task manager I dont see any freezing. Now playing with Handy switcher.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omaralt:
by removing task manager, u mean that thing in the top right that shows me all open programs when i click on it, right? well, i removed that, and the htc homescreen (which i loved) and uninstalled the battery status plugin that somebody posted and then did a soft reset. seems better now, but ill see how it is after a few hrs.... if everything stays good, i may re-add the homescreen
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snooginsguy:
I got the same results - disabled the task manager, got rid of the HTC homescreen, and also got Activesync to stop automatically activating (turned off the option to have it update the time and date automatically) and have had no freezing problems since. This was a few days ago. Also, it seems to have resolved the issue of my email not being downloaded when the phone is in standby mode, as well as alarms not going off, though I am still testing these last 2...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] loaferkan:
hey can you get me a copy of tomtom? I need it for the USA but it damn cost too much, so I thought may be we could like peer to peer share it? thanks,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] loaferkan:
Hey Guys, I am getting my tilt in a few days, I have ordered it, so here is my deal, I want a good Rom, since you guys have tried it, anyone single rom with no problems? 2nd thing I need is a tomtom software copy, if I get a copy would it work? 3rd thing if I install touchflo on tilt would it work? how is skype and what about msn live?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kmd606:
Im having the same freezing issues. Mainly in PIE, and many times in other programs. Hate waiting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] njmarchetti:
@snoosinguy

What ROM are you running???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omaralt:
hey guys, just wondering, is this freezing issue happening only to ppl on the htc rom? seems like those on the atnt rom arent havng this issue.. can anybody confirm
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] poisonz:
Im just found some great use of HTC Home and its kind of a must to have to this Tilt, I have on for 4 days now. so far so good...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] snooginsguy:
I'm running the stock AT&T ROM, but without the bloatware. Version 1.57.502.2.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] illestone:
I have a ATT rom, and mine has been freezing lately...I changed the saving location to my SD card, so I just changed it back, and Now I'll see if the problem persists.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cheesey:
And how we do this? Change saving location?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] illestone:
You can do it with SK tools, Kaiser tweak (i'm pretty sure), and a couple other programs....worked PERFECTLY on my 8525, but seems to be a problem with the tilt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cheesey:
er what i mean is, Change saving location? PIE or?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bogdanmarin69:
How about the sound of the screen taps and the hardware buttons

I used to had my kaiser freeze every now and then for about 2-3seconds but since I disabled the screen taps and the hardware buttons sounds the freezes have gone.

It might be that the sounds for the taps are holded in the some cache memory and if I dont make an action on the device for about the 5-10seconds the cache is erased, so when the tap/button is pressed the cache has to be filled up again with the sound file whitch may freeze the device that is waiting to make the sound?

Bogdan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] uppity:
Same Here

I have noticed my Tilt Freezing also. the biggest thing i notice is that whatever app was used last remains in place of the start button. so instead of the windows logo and Start it will say phone or contacts or explorer. After this i have to wait several seconds to be able to use the phone. I have installed TomTom, Skype, and the HTC style homescreen inplace of my ATT one. Other than that its basically all ATT. Just figured i would add to this message because i know alot of users are having similar issues.

-Uppity-
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cheesey:
well i disable that, no change i still got freeze that we all have.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
Yeah I never used screen taps, and its still freezing up on me pretty good.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] njmarchetti:
Not sure if this was posted earlier, but you can dramatically increase the performance of WM6 by going into:

Settings->Sounds and Notifications

untick the first check box: Events (warnings, system events)

this turns off the unnecessary system sounds like when a download completes. I highly recommend it on any device running WM6.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omaralt:
ekh i dont think i can take this anymore, i've flashed like 3 different roms and i seem to be getting the same problem with all 3, so now i'm thinking i got a defective unit? dunno, thinking about calling at&t and getting it exchanged....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
I 2nd this. My phone spends more time frozen than not anymore...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
Quick thought... are any of the HTC branded phones having these problems??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] omaralt:
hey guys,

just a quick update, i called at&t to try to get my tilt exchanged, but theyre completly sold out everywhere. soo, i ended up flashing this rom:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=340909

and so far seems better (some minor freezing, but near as bad)

omar
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powerppc:
Mine freeze when I use PIE. But after hard reset, I stop using the tweaks from this forum as well as 2k2tweaks.net

So I'm good now, all software installed.

Try untweaking the registry and see how that goes unless if you hard reset your device and then it still freezes, then I can't help you.

Device ROM version 1.57.502.2 on ATT Tilt

ROM Date: 08/25/2007

Radio Version: 1.27.12.11

Protocol Version: 22.45.88.07H

Original ROM, I hope that helps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
Another victim

Well I'm very sad to say that suddenly, I am now another victim of the somewhat random freezing issue. My Kaiser has worked great for over a month. But suddenly, last night around 8PM PT, it just decided to freeze any time essentially I start a new program.

The behavior is this:

Things look like they work fine, but if I start a new program, it takes about 15-20 seconds or so to start. Then it kind of works OK, but any time I do anything significant in the program, it takes 15 seconds to "think" before it does it. Its almost like a virus.

E.g. it takes 20 seconds just to open Resco File Explorer. I can scroll fine no issues, but if I try to change directories, it takes 20 seconds to do so.

E.g. if I open MemMaid, it takes 20 seconds to start. Then when I'm its OK within a tab, but then it takes 20 seconds to switch to another tab.

And these are all functions that used to take a couple seconds at most.

The only thing that happened that was odd at that same time was that the "beta trial period" for PCM Keyboard expired on me around that same time. I was actually using it fine 30 minutes earlier, but then I got the expiriation pop up. I removed it and switched to the old normal keyboard. And then I noticed all these issues.

I use MemMaid and I can't see process chewing up CPU cycles. But then because once i'm finally in that tab, all looks good. only when I switch do I see the issue (at which time, I can't see the CPU usage %). Is there a way to log CPU usage over time so I could see that?

So, I've soft reset about 20 times since then. I've removed the last couple of other progs I loaded (FFF and TrackMe), but I had those on my phone for a couple days working fine with no issues. I re-disabled AGPS since I did change tha couple days ago also. Still no resolution.

Since I've been using it for over a month, obviously, I've done lots of configuring. My most recent backup is from about week ago. I'd really rather avoid a hard reset.

Any thoughts before I give up and try to start over?

Edit: Here's more symptoms of the issue:

Another oddity of this is when I go to type a text msg using the slideout keyboard, it now types very slowly also. If I type alot of text, it "caches" the text I type properly but it type one word at a time. Not one letter at a time, but one word at a time. No matter how long the word is, it types one word, pauses for about 15 seconds, then types another word, then pauses, then types the next word, and so on. I don't use dictionary lookup with any of my keyboard options. And I haven't used them ever since I got the phone. but that is very very strange.

Again, it appears som background process is tying it up. And I wouldn't think it has anything to do with PCMKeyboard, except the prblem started happening the instant the old keyboard expired. Like I said, I was using the PCMkeyboard no issues 30 min prior, and everything on the phone was great. til i got that msg and everything started behaving like this now. Damn.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gadgetluva:
I just know that my issues went away when I disabled that HTC Task Manager. My device has been running pretty well lately. I just hope that the next ROM update includes fixes AND optimizes the OS for the processor.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
OK, I've seen others say the same. Just so I'm clear (cuz I thought i tried that too), what do you mean by "disabled HTC Task Manager". I mean I can uncheck the "close apps" button and such, but is that disabling it? or is there somewhere else I need to go to disable it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gadgetluva:
Yea just in the settings, I just disabled it from doing anything, including closing out applications when you tap X. I think WM devices run better when programs are minimized.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
OK, thanks...I tried that and unfortunately, it didn't help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
I almost can't stand this phone anymore because of this freezing problem. I'm not ready to jump ship yet, but its certainly an option.

I will try disabling the task manager, havent done that yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
FWIW, I ended up doing a hard reset. The last backup I had was from 1 week ago, so didn't have to do too much restoring, but its still a PITA. Especially since I use Seven software for email/calendar sync. I have to remove and reinstall that since it doesn't handle a restore well.

Sure enough, that at least got rid of the freezing up issues. It bothers me that I don't know why it happened. And I'm worried it can happen again. But I will take more frequent backups I guess and cross my fingers.

I'm not going to point the finger at PCM Keyboard. Truth is, i don't know what could have caused it. i did install a few other progs the last few days. And I will stay away from some of them for a bit to make sure the phone is working as it did before. I will still say that the issues did start essentially at the same exact time as the expiration for PCMKybd hit.

So, I hard reset back to the original HTC TyTN II ROM (no mods). Then I resotred my Sprite-taken backup from last Friday. And all is good after some software re-config. Ugh, I guess the lesson is frequent backups. And I might be a little more cautious about what I install go forward.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
As an aside, does anyone know of a WM program that can log process CPU/Mem/IO utilization in the background? That would help out tremendously in these situations. I mean I know that something was being invoked on my phone that was causing these issues. But I couldn't see it because the only tool I have to see such information is MemMaid, which is only set up to do real-time view, not log it in the background. So, I couldn't type an SMS msg (where the freezing problem was evident as described in my original post) and log all processes being invoked and thier utilization to analyze after the fact. Any such tools? Even if its a PC based prog that can read/log the stats via ActiveSync would help...

if something like this doesn't exist, I see a damn good opportunity for someone to create one!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
Last night I disabled the task manager and soft reset. SO far today smooth as silk, not even a hiccup. The entire phone seems to have gotten a kick in the ass, dare I say even the camera seems faster. This is great, but a double edged sword for me, I'm anal and like to have the task manager up there so I can control whats running and whats not. Its also nice for multi-task switching.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbh369:
Same problem for me...but

I got an HTC branded phone (not avail on TMO yet) and started using. After about 2 days, quickly started freezing up and stopped be useful. Hard reset fixed it for awhile, and not loading Tom Tom seemed to extend the period it worked, but eventually it started to freeze up again. Btw, soft reseting when it was starting to act up only seemed to make it WORSE, often requiring a hard reset.

Sent it back under warrently, got a new one (see signature) and after loading it up, started to see the same problem again.

Now I have a contact database of about 6000 names. Only a few pics though. I noticed that it seemed to take a long time for the contact database to get sorted and indexed. But I also noticed that if I left my contacts open and running in back ground, instead of closing it, the freezing almost completely disappeared!!! Still a bit of delay (half-sec or so) on taps and button clicks, but livable considering the other problems. However, if the task manager is to blame, maybe there is some interaction with programs like contacts that were in the middle of a process (e.g. indexing) when they were killed? Just guessing here...

Updated: disabled all the features in the task manager, it does seem to be quicker (even without a reset yet).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbh369:
Ooops

so I did the soft reset, and it took about an hour + to get contacts re-loaded. The Kaiser was VERY slow until then, but finally after all the names were loaded (none loaded for the first 20 minutes or so), it returned to normal speed.

Would exiting a program leave corrupt memory structures that need to be cleaned up or resolved?

Update: BTW this was with Task Manager disabled.

Update 2: My conclusion is that the task manager really didn't have any effect. However, I'm downloading the later version available online and will try that.

One other clue for my problem was that while it was running slow, it would completely halt when an incoming phone call came in: it would ring, but not answer, only show part of the phone screen, etc. My guess, since it was still organizing the contacts, it was getting jammed up trying to do caller id...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] WinMobNut:
ok, for me i've narrowed it down to the Phone application. If I soft reset the phone, everyting works hunky dory. The minute I enter a call, the Start Menu stops working. Everything else will continue to work. Even when I end the call, the start menu doesn't work. The only way to resolve is a soft reset. I was thinking of trying a different phone app or dialer?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] acboydston:
Some clarification

First, some clarification on the problem:

If I understand correctly, most of us are NOT talking about the device crashing, such that it NEEDS to be reset. Rather, it is a momentary complete unresponsiveness that lasts a few seconds (a few have noted much longer lags). Screen and button inputs do not even get "back logged" (such that once the device becomes responsive they then occur), it is as though you did not try to do anything at all.

Anyway, the above certainly describes my issue. VERY frustrating. I actually noticed this immediately; I had not even activated the phone yet. I turned it on for the very first time, it did its initial ATT customization thing (yes, stock ATT Tilt version), and then I started tapping around, exploring the device. Almost immediately (before I even had the chance to change any setting), I tapped something with no response. Tapped again, a little harder and a little more precise: nothing. Tapped again: nothing. Then suddenly, next tap registered perfectly and I was continuing my exploration until the exact same thing happened a minute later. After the second or third time, I began with the simple things like a soft reset and realigning the screen. But the occasionaly, temporary unresponsiveness persisted.

I have also found my tilt to be kind of slow, overall. Not a real snappy and responsive device in general. Not a sluggard, by any means (except for the times it is totally unresponive for a few seconds). In comparison, my Treo 700w is more responsive and snappy overall (but it can not multitask worth beans: let's hear it for 15 MB's of free ram after a hard reset!!! argh! Sorry, whole 'nother story...). I mention this b/c it seems to me to be a system resources issue, as some have suspected. Like it it gets so totally bogged down right after doing some process, it can not even register input for a few seconds.

Also, after reading the entire thread so far, it seems the most common suspect is the HTC Task Manager. I also suspect it as my freezing seems to have lessened some after installing Spb Pocket Plus which has a "Close button"/task manager feature that works extremely similar to the way HTC Task manager works. Pocket Plus also produces a drop down menu from the upper right corner which lists all the running programs. After I installed Pocket +, it just automatically "replaced" the htc task manager and seemed to help a little with the freezing issue.

I hope this helps us further track down this issue, as it is one of the main reasons I may not keep my tilt. I have such an "ADD" mind, I need a device I can whip out and get a thought written down in a few seconds or I often loose the thought completely!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbh369:
AC: how many contacts do you have?

Your problems exactly describe mine, except it didn't happen immediately. Task manager didn't help much.

I'm trying pBar as a replacement task manager replacement, but it seems like it takes a lot of memory...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbh369:
Nut: I agree on the phone problem, but think it might be linked to the cid lookup, at least that seems to be my problem. Do you have a lot of contacts?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] WinMobNut:
I have around 610 contacts at the moment.

Further issue clarification..... My impatience probably led to my solution being a soft reset. After 3 minutes of waiting and being unresponsive, i just soft reset. This morning, it happened again and I just let the darn thing sit in the timeout corner until it started responding. 6 mins 23 secs later it did. Since this, have not had any freezing and i've been on the phone all morning.

I also went in and disabled all sound notifications accept for alarms and text messages/email. This might have helped....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
No, mine did queue up screen taps while it was frozen. It did freeze up for about 15-20 seconds everytime I did certain actions like start a new program, or go to another tab within a program. But when it was frozen, it would queue up screen touches and execute them when it did unfreeze. And it would always unfreeze. It just took 20 secs to do so.

I ultimately did a hard reset and restore. Now it's working great again, knock on wood.

God forbid it happens again. But if it does, I will video it and post it. It seems there are different types of freezing. I suggest we create a video library of such issues. I think all the suggestions people give only help certain situations. And its hard to get the right corrective action, when there is one because of it.

E.g. there's the PIE freezes, the Nav freezes, the one I experienced, the one described by acboydston, etc. We could have dedicated help threads for each one. People could try to match what they are expeirencing to the video of symptoms and get the "right" help...That's the best idea I can come up with to diagnose and solve these things, rather than having lots of different problems in the same threads...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] noamaniac:
soft reset? try pulling out your battery every time.

Mine is having similar problems to all of yours. I've removed task manager menu, I'm still running all of the same programs i've been running, but the difference between my problem and all of yours is that i literally have to take my case off and pull out my battery just to get it to re-start.

I've had it lock up from an incoming phone call, receiving a txt, creating a new txt, starting IE, using LiveSEARCH, etc, etc, etc. and the only way to bring it back is pulling the battery.

HTC Touch Keyboard + Keypad

Microsoft Live Search

TCMP

Wizard reTOUCHED dialer

Teksoft A2DP Toggle

HTC Audio Manager

SPB Mobile Shell

SPB Pocket Plus

AT&T Xpress mail

Cingular Pre-Midlets

OZ Communications OZ IM

AT&T Xpress Mail

All this on the OEM ROM

wtf is wrong with this phone, my 8125 was slow as crap but at least it was solid...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] danielherrero:
Try removeing all programs that runs attached to shell32.exe, for example, spb products. This kind of programs usually are today plugins. If they have a temporal block they virtually block the device until the internal block of the program dissappears because they block a system process. There are much documentation about it in internet. At least disable their plugin 24 hours to see if there is difference....

Dani