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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbh369:
WinMobNut: This behavior is very similar to mine. If I wait long enough, it clears and works normally for awhile until locking up again.

A soft reset starts the contact database working again. For instance , I see only a few contacts when I open PocketCM, then slowly more and more get added. This can take an hour, but once done, my machine seems to work well...until it hits another snag.

My routine is to soft reset when I go to bed, start up PocketCM, and leave it plugged in (so it continues to process). Sort of a silly routine, but that keeps me fairly clear of daytime glitches. This is not normal...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ?Glitch:
I have experienced the same problem, but noted that Glyph cache was set to 16384(MB), lowered to 8192 and seems to be working better, had this happen to me on a black rom back with my hermes. Advanced cfg tools didn't work for me on the stock tilt rom, so I used total commander and modified:

hklm\system\gdi\glyphcache\

limit=8192

the device seems more responsive, someone else should confirm...

?Glitch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] acboydston:
Yes, as you said, it looks like we are talking about pretty different situations. Your 10-15 second freezes which would queue up screen taps sounds like it may be a differnet issue from my 3-4 seconds of complete unresponsive which sounds very different from WinMobNut's six! minute timeout which sounds very different from noamaniac's crashes that require taking the battery out to reset which sounds very different from... you get the picture.

So this is making solving any one of them very difficult. As I am completely new here, I am not sure how to go forward from here, but your suggestion sounds pretty good. Would a moderator, or someone, create a sticky that lists the various, and clearly different, freezing scenarios and links to seperate threads for each scenario?

dbh369, I have 484 contacts that sync over the air with exchange 2007. I do not think it is relevant for me, though, as the 3-4 seconds of unresponsiveness began within the first few taps after turning my tilt on for the first time.

ATT Tilt

Rom version: 1.57.502.2

Radio version: 1.27.12.11

UPDATE: HTC Task Manager 1.51 build 30744 (as I suspect this for my freezes)

Yes, I will likely replace it before my 30 days, see if I have better "luck."
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dbh369:
Re: diagnosis videos, I dont know about the rest of you, but such a video would essentially be a still picture, or maybe a half-dozen stills...it seems when the lockup happens, i just get partially painted screens from the app I was in and the one I was headed to (i.e. phone). When the phone rings and it is in this mode, the phone is so slow to respond that the phone app doesn't start running until after the call has gone to voicemail. So the call is unanswerable.

Updated: It may be that these are all unrelated, but the freezing, queueing of taps, etc. makes me thing there is something tying them all together. Just my gut here. In my case, the large contact database may be exacerbating one set of problems, likewise for others, except that one guy with the problem right out of the box (can you take that unit back and get another?) My biggest confusion is that I DID get another, and I have EXACTLY the same behavior...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jomo25:
Well, in my case a video would have helped to show people how it queues taps and button presses and how when i started a new program, the title bar changes immediately, but then the screen freezes for 15 seconds, then opens fully. and so on....

As for the behavior of the issue I had. I don't think it had anything to do with my contact list size. E.g. I have about 250 contacts. I had 250 last week when things worked great. Then suddenly one day, it started freezing. I didn't add any contacts between when it did work and not. And I hard reset and restored back to by 1 week old backup with the same 250 contacts. And now it works again. I've since re-synced to ActiveSync and all is still working great. Mine lookd more like some background system process was just running and taking all CPU cycles intermittently. The weirdest example of my issue was the typing of a SMS msg. I would type "My phone is acting very slow" all at once. And this is what it would do:

1. Type "My", pause 15 seconds.

2. Type "phone", pause 15 seconds.

3. Type "is", pause 15 seconds.

4. Type "acting", pause 15 seconds

and so on.

Like after every word it was checking something and getting "stuck". That's why I thought it was the dictionary check for spelling. But of course I never use or used word suggestion or the dictionary. Seeing a video of this would have been crystal clear what was happening...

As for creating new threads, posting videos, and stickying them, I would say just go ahead and create video and start a new thread. If the mod stickies them or not, shouldn't matter, but i think the videos would help people see what you are doing and what is ahppening and give a much better clue as to the issue vs trying to type it in words. If I have an issue like this again (God forbid), I plan to do this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChaOConnor:
U.W.F.B.B.P.

We have a serious problem here people, we the members of the Underground Worldwide Federation of Bubble Breaker Players (U.W.F.B.B.P.) are experiencing interruptions to our sport. For those that don't know, Bubble Breaker meets are the fastest growing non-contact sport in America, and at our super-secret underground meetings, this freezing is causing the game to shift unfavorably to those who do not use a Kaiser. In the fast-paced sport of Bubble Breaking, even a moment's delay could mean the difference between a win or a loss. Our events are structured much like Fight Club, only they're much more intense at a U.W.F.B.B.P. meet, so you can imagine how a "freeze" causes the players to become testy.

I'm putting HTC on notice, the members of the U.W.F.B.B.P. will not sit quietly for long! Fix the freezing or feel the wrath of the U.W.F.B.B.P. ... we will bust your bubbles!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] romuluz:
Try this, might be your answer

The same exact freeze-disorder have been bugging me for the past week a lot. I finally found time to troubleshoot it. I have S200 and Kaiser retail. To make a long story short it seems to be Task Manager related. Once I got rid of HTC Task Manager everything is flying as though I got Qualcomm 400Mhz Duo ;)

I also tried HandySwitcher 3 - same issue. So it might be OS related thing, when task managers poll for something device starts 'thinking' :)

Hope this will shed some light..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] danielherrero:
Hi. I can confirm it. Task manager (I ve tried with htc task manager and handy switcher) freezes the device in a few hours. I ve been one month with this issue and I removed software one by one. The problem is caused by task managers.

Dani
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dimitrysanhusky:
Again like other users, Task manager. I completely uninstalled it and the freezing went away.

Even noticed a more responsive phone.

Im currently using Tman task manager and works very nice. (free too)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alfyk:
Freeze

Hi. I CAN'T confirm it :(

The problem for me isn't caused by task managers. I disinstalled SPB PocketPlus but my Tytn2 freeze always after a call finished. I need to switch off and on

Alfy
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cardyin:
Possible Memory Card Power Management Setting?

Hi,

I've been trying to debug the freezing issue myself as well. After all my testing, I think I may have found a possibility. My guess is that the freezing is occurring because of a bug in the Power Management tweak for the Memory Card.

I believe this setting allows for the device to shut off power to the SD card. This is fine since it saves battery power from having to be wasted towards powering the SD card when not in use. I think the freezing is occuring when the device tries to "wake up" the card. My guess is that the device is trying to request I/O to the card but it occasionally doesn't give the card enough time to power up. I think this may cause a freeze of the whole device.

My device use to freeze about once a day, but since I turned the management off, I've gone two days without a freeze. Can some of you that are actively trying to figure this issue out test this setting and post the results?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cardyin:
One more thing

All of you that experienced lack of freezing after removing software...

By chance was the software installed on the SD card?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alfyk:
Hi, i have not the Power Management tweak for the Memory Card !

But my device freeze after every finished incoming call.:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pencilcase:
Hi,

I am having the same issue.. it disappeared for 2 days after disabling the powermanagement and touchflo, but reappeared even worse since today without haveing re-enabled anything. I can hardly type anything on my keyboard, my screen keeps freezing this is turning out to be VERY annoying i hope someone is able to figure out what is causing this soon.

My settings:

- No Cube/Home

- touchflo scroller disabled

- all powermanagement options in kaisertweak disabled.

- no keyboard sounds or notification sounds

- running CUSTEL 2.0 with Radio Radio 1.27.14.09

if someone who has an idea needs any additional infos please let me know would be GLAD to help!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shassouneh:
Try this...

Not sure if this would be helpful to anyone. I have noticed this sort of behaviour ESPECIALLY after a long phone call.

Usually tapping on the power button to set it to sleep then tapping it again solves it for me.

I hope that helps someone out.

There are a few glitches with the Tilt, and I'm surprised HTC let it out with such low QA.

Running: HTC ROM (not sure if stock or cooked)

AT&T 8925 Tilt (CID and SIM unlocked. Using T-Mobile) :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shadowlabs9:
same problem, after almost any phone call phone freezes... then i have to turn it of and then on again...

I’ve already tried the Kaiser Tweak solution (power management disabled) and also take the micro sd off the pda but, the problem persist.

Curios is that, in the past, with my hermes I’ve experienced the same problem for a wile. Then, with the developing of new roms, the problem just disappeared, without any objective solution…

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shadowlabs9:
for those who have the after call freeze problem, witch radio version do you have?

cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Alfyk:
My:

ROM 1.56.408.5 del 28/08/2007

Vers. Radio 1.27.12.11

Vers. protocollo 22.45.88.07H
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] djskaw:
when mine freezes i have found that if i hit the power button so that the screen goes off then turn it back on it becomes unfrozen
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shadowlabs9:
possible cause / solution

OK, after serching in many forums, i found that the problem is:

"When the device is protected by a password (Start/Settings/Lock), the start menu freezes after ending phone calls. In addition, the backlight turns off.

This only happens if the phone call is long enough (more than a few secs) for the display to turn off during the call. This is to prevent accidental button presses. When the phone call is ended the display should come back up, however, this is where bug seems to manifest itself. Somehow the password protection gets in the way and turns the display off and freezes the start menu.

The reason why this is serious (especially for business users) is that when you use MS exchange sync, many businesses enforce policies requiring a device password (common & recommended practice). This means that the option of turning the device password off does not exist. Therefore, using exchange sync (with security policies enforced) and making phone calls does not work."

So, there are two solutions:

1º Sinple turn of pasword protection if you don't need it;

2º Change a registry entry:

\HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL\EnableFastDormantDisplayDuringCall

From "1" to "0" will stop it but be warned if you arent using a headset then the touch sensitive screen will be in operation throughout the call so you may end up with your ear triggering applications etc...

cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pencilcase:
nr.1 i don't have.

nr.2 i have set via kaisertweak.

i do however sync via exchange 2007 server with secure settings/certificate.

this might explain the hanging if the device is trying to synch again after the phonecall had previously disconnected data ... could this be the problem? can anyone confirm ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aksd:
Mine started freezing after installing memaid and Kapersky anti virus, seems like both the apps did'nt get along. Would work fine if I removed the memory card.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gasman858:
I also have the 3-4 second hang issue- no "cached" screen taps, unresponsive hardkeys & screen, both in programs & on Today screen. Never after phone use. (Has this syndrome been named to differentiate from the other freezes users are reporting? 4-second freeze? ADHtcD?)

I have disabled HTC Task Mgr. I have kaiser tweaks installed but manually removed SD power mgmt tweaks. (I haven't seen a PIE temp files to SDCard on the KaiserTweaks xml I am using). I have no password on the device.

For what it's worth I am using what has been termed an "official but unreleased ROM & Radio" ATT aku 0.4.4 - see sig. below - as well as Band Switch 2.4.2 (Thanks DanielHerrero).

I have hard reset the device several times to switch between ROMs & Radios (both +/- bloatware, +/- tweaks) and have noticed the freeze syndrome on all builds.

I am still noticing this problem - can't tell if it's less/more at this point.

Two things:

1. Has anyone tried Magic Button http://www.trancreative.com/mb.aspx to close programs? Is it even compatible with the current builds? It worked well on my xv6700 (about the only thing that did).

2. Is anyone aware of an HTC response to this problem? seems fairly widespread.

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pencilcase:
is it possible to link this to a certain rom build or any certain tast running on the ppc ? like activesync exchange server or something else that might be working in the background ? this problem is driving me nuts typing an email or sms takes double the time it should only because i need to retype every word slowly ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
I can confirm that disabling all features of the HTC Task Manager did the trick for me. No need to hard reset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pencilcase:
problem was fixed for me when i stopped using an at&t rom on a kaiser ... seems there are more compatibility issues than known as of now
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gasman858:
Glad you found a solution Pencilcase. I thought you had trouble with cooked roms too?

I have disabled HTC Task Mgr and HTCHome Today plugin and seem to be experiencing only rare freezes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] maligna:
Solution for your random freezing

I'm using Dutty's ROM No.6 for 2 weeks, no more freeze at all! and very fast! now i'm using Dutty's ROM no.7b lite version, for 2 days, so far so good..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ruffruff:
I am also facing slow responsiveness on my kaiser but overall is bearer.

the only un-bearer part is making phone call. when tapping on the screen to make a call, each button press on the screen takes 1-3secs to respond. If i make a mistake, i will have to wait til it finish responding before i can clear it and press again ... this is so annoying and frustrating when making urgent calls...

basically i have tried all of the recommended methods advise in this entire thread but to no avail. I am using schaps 4.22 rom. would it be better if i flash it to the stock HTC rom?

last but no least, a small recommendation for a HTC taskmanager replacement, you can use the attached "smclose" software. just copied it to startup under windows. it is light weight and feel so much faster than the htc taskmanager.

also, anyone found a replacement for oxios memory? it doesn't work in kaiser.

thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
Didn't have a chance to post for the last few days but, it appears I spoke too quickly. It still happened later on and got worse. I did a hard reset, it started doing it again. Disabled HTC Task Manager and HTC Home and it does it less frequently, but still does it.

I'm running the HTC ROM on a Tilt. I'm looking for the leaked AT&T ROM to see if that changes anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gasman858:
If you are referring to aku 0.4.4 - http://rapidshare.com/files/68395169/RUU_Kaiser_ATT_WWE_1.60.502.3_22.45.88._07_1.27.14.09_Ship.exe

I am using that and still have infrequent freezes. I have switched task managers to magicbutton from htc tsk mgr (only because it has a small mem footprint and i am familiar with it). I have tried a few cooked roms, but am just noob enough to not be able to fix/tweak all the minor glitches. I therefore keep coming back to the 0.4.4 "stock" rom. Strangely, there are very infrequent freezes immediately after flashing (HR) which then increase in frequency over time...

I did post this issue in the Att forum & htcwiki sites and I recall getting an answer from someone of dubious authority that mentioned something about this "well known" issue and that a patch might be forthcoming. Don't hold your breath. Tonite I am using Alex's kaiser kitchen to cook my own ROM- I'll let you know if that helps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mo_mo:
Lockups fixed

Ever since I went to the HTC ROM from the AT&T ROM and installed KaiserTweak all of my problems have disappeared. I'ts been working great for several weeks now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stainlesspc:
SO far I turned off the HTCHomeplug and the Task Manager and have had no problems :)

I was starting to think my phone was busted, bas screen or something

which would suck being 1 week old
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stainlesspc:
Not so sure now.

Running HTC Ship ROM and still has issues, not as bad but still there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
I've gone through 3 different ROMS now (2 since I last posted in this thread) and have had ZERO freezing problems (aside from the random sluggishness, *nothing* like the locking I used to get) after disabling the task manager. Even with ALOT of programs running in the background, still no freezing. In fact, it seems like the OS is slower after a reboot, and starts to pick up speed after using it for a little while. (after things get loaded into RAM)

The only serious problem I have now is the blasted slow keyboard. It never seems to pickup 2 of the same letter, and NEVER picks up a space unless I go very slow. Its annoying because it will actually pick up my next letter, THEN do the space. So, it comes out like this: "It missesm y space."

I have to actually remind myself to take a slight pause after hitting space. :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Memnoch30:
Thanks for the link! Tried it and still got the same, but like you said, very infrequent in the beginning and then the frequency goes up over time. I love this phone even with all its little quirks (yes even with the slow keyboard) but this is getting ridiculous.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] silent_killa:
Hi

I am unfortunately a victim of this random freezing now.

My phone was completely fine until I flashed the radio for the SIM Unlock tool. Am now trying the new WM 6.1 but so far have suffered from a few random freezes.

Im suggesting that maybe we have a few bad blocks in NAND as a result of a corrupt flash.

Is there anyway to chaeck for bad NAND blocks like there was with the HERMES?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] johanromijn:
For me disabling TouchFlo did the trick. (Has nothing to do with FTouchFlo)

No lock-ups anymore.

You can use KaiserTweak to do so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jrdejavux:
same thing here ! i flashed the original radio and now i get freezing with PIE i am going to upgrade my rom and see if it stops
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bobosky520:
I got the same problem, if I have any startup, short cut, or today plugin on the Storage Card, and they will be seen when the device just start up, my tilt will be dead
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stolli:
might be a stupid question but how do i go about removing the task manager?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
Has anyone done a hard reset and restored their device using Sprite Backup, and then NOT had any issues again? I have tried disabling the Task Manager, done soft reset and then later I had the screen freeze up for about 3-5 seconds. The device doesn't keep track of my screen taps when it becomes responsive again. Any ideas??

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] v3patel:
Delete Internet explorer registry -- Does not work

My IE was geeting freeze after page gets downloaded about 50 to 60 %.

I deleted my Current_user >> software >> Microsoft >> Internet Explorer Registry. and then start MY IE. It worked.

Then I re-imported regs back into device and try IE This also worked. But after re-importing my porblem should be back but my problenm is gone. I am on third without soft-reset and my IE not does not freeze.

SO I think solution is back up regs (HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer), delete regs, Run IE, import Regs

My all temp points to Storage Card.

Can some one try?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
I have Memmaid and I used it to set the memory card for storing the IE cache. Is this the problem with the unresponsive screen taps??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
Anyone know if moving the PIE cache back to internal memory will resolve this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
Anyone know if this works??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
Hello, anyone out there??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JwY:
Try it. I did that before and it gave me trouble, but once I set it back to the original, the problem didn't come back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
Thanks

Thanks for the reply. I tried that several days ago, but the problem seems to come back after I open up a few programs. I am really getting annoyed because I have a windows mobile 5 device that never even cam close to the amount of problems I am having.

What else can you recommend, other than a hard reset?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tk123456789:
BUMP>>>>>>>>>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bosharp99:
Freezing... never ends

I also am having the freezing problems discussed in this thread. AND I am having serious freezing problems that cannot be resolved until I take out the battery and do a serious restart.

Essentially, I notice the problem once a pixelated image appears in the top (either in the center of the task bar or right side). This pixelation occurs over the Bati (battery app) so I am wondering if that is causing the problem.

I have to take the battery out the back at least once a week. Anyone else having this problem? It is really annoying, especially because I use my phone as an alarm clock and it froze once in the middle of the night and thus the alarm never went off and I missed a class (very annoying). I am now reluctant to trust my phone at all, especially as an alarm (and bought an atomic alarm clock from brookstone).

Anyone out there have any help?

I have the htc-home plugin (5 tabs) installed, using the original ATT rom... not too many other apps really. Could the 5-tab plugin be the culprit??

I just disabled the task manager to see if that helps at all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JwY:
What do you have installed? How much program memory do you still have free when you're running a few apps?

It might be the ROM itself.