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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pnnorth:
Tried to watch that scientific comparison but succumbed to motion sickness after 30 secs.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Bennksy:
i am getting anywhere from 4.42 to 34.31mbps. I live in sf bay area.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] FearlessAZ:
That is definitely bad. I would call att and verify all network settings are correct and that they are correct on their end.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
its hilarious watching Samsung fanboys accusing HTC fanboys of being fanboys in their own forums :laugh:

so after flaming us for years for not having the best out of box camera on HTC and whenever we tried to genuinely help by saying cap your bloody ISO, the instant response was but but but it should be perfect point and shoot out of box i cant be bothered to do a simple camera tweak, we say a camera update fix on the way and the response would be no it should be ready on launch

but now all of the sudden its ok to say "we can fix this audio with a mod" and "lets fix that touchwiz with a custom ROM" even though the S7e is running on a nuclear core

oh wait and whats the strongest argument? sales! oh yes kia/huyndai sell the most so this must mean they are the best cars in the world, hold on McDonald is number one fast food so its the best quality healthy food in the world, wait wait one more everyone drinks coke so its surely the most healthy highest quality drink in the world

and the keyword of the day goes to "rebuttals" because if you repeat it enough it will show that you are so smart ;)

fun!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pedodroid:
How exactly is touchwiz crap? In every speedtest on Youtube, touchwiz on the s7 is faster than sense, despite sense using faster animations. Don't believe me? There are two speedtest that were uploaded in the last couple of days that back me up. One by L BS & the other one by Supersaf, if thats not enough for you, there are also speedtests from german uploaders, mobileburn etc. So that argument is rubbish. "Touchwiz is bloated" but uses the same amount of system memory as the "stock-like" sense ui or the OPTIMUS UI of the G5 and despite the bloat it still has equal or better battery than most android phones.

Touchwiz up until the galaxy s4/s5 was not that good, i know this because i owned an s4. I now use a Note 4 and touchwiz absolutely flies on my device.

You sound like some of the people that were interviewed in android authority's s7&g5 public reactions video, "iPhone is the best", "i would never use an android", "android cameras are bad". Please open your mind.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
A launcher doesn't replace a UI skin.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xperia x root:
Thanks man for this info. I get my 10 at tuesday and was very worried about the brightness. I'm used to my very bright sharp display in the m7. After years of comparing to other new phones with lcd, like the g4/5, p9, iphone 6 its still a bit brighter with its 650 cd/m2 at max level. Hopefully i'll get a sharp display with the 10 again... Is the choose of the display manufacture region related or just random?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
these deserve a place in here since you know it is the topic ;)

[YOUTUBE]2Fni7xEx2Jg[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]tS3NLCPK4NI[/YOUTUBE]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
lol since we like to compare screen...

[YOUTUBE]v4c1DAmyaLc[/YOUTUBE]

If you wear polarize sunglasses, it will be very hard to see the screen....observed...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
the HTC 10 screen much increase its brightness after you unbox it and the next day, this looks like it was shot in the moment it was unboxed, moot again
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
look again, clearly the phone have leedroid background, phone been using for atleast 3 days, its being reset so I can sale it.

no common sense.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
indeed no common sense, its a thread full of non sense, so why stop now :laugh:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
so you can learn something... :D
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pnnorth:
This is getting extremely boring now
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
To answer your first question. The S7 and the S7E had updates pushed to fix their battery drainage and heat issues. Come drop by the S7E and S7 section and see for yourself. The devices were plagued by battery issues during launch.

Now to answer your second question, you do realize that's like going to a car forum and asking what a tire is? Did you just learn about what a UI is or something? But I'll bite... a launcher and UI are not even correlated to each other. Do not be one of the placebo bandwagons thinking you're making your phone faster by changing your app drawer apk, I mean launcher.

Do you understand what a launcher is and how it does nothing to an OS' resource management. Unless I'm missing some kind of launcher that does that and themes the interface such as status bars, settings, phone, etc. I mean, maybe the launchers have changed since I first started using them in 2008?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
all that and u dint answer what a UI is at all...do tell how is UI different from Launcher...

second...point me to where the update is please...I can point to sources where S7E battery is the best in class.. please point to where the S7e is the worse in class...

actually heres some

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s7-s7-edge-battery-life-review-689224/

http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3?idPhone=7945#show

incase you cant read...S7 beat the HTC 10, but I digress...point is to show you where the S7E is in term of battery.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
Never mind. I don't feel like spoon-feeding information. It's best to research on your own if your doubting it or don't know what a software acronym is.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
LOL!!!! you dont feel like it huh? sure
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
Did I miss something funny or pure obnoxiousness? This isn't facebook or instagram, no need to seek attention.

You got all riled up because I said you can't replace a UI with a launcher? Do you realize you're pulling a red herring? You're seriously asking me if I know an acronym I used?

This thread can use some cleaning. Wouldn't want to waste people's time reading through all this nonsense. Pun intended.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
life tips: dont throw out stuff if you cant explain it OR "dont feel like explpaining" someone might call you out on it...its like using a big word in an essay when you have no idea what it means...

I asked you to explained it since you incline to mention it, I also asked you to point to your sources and you provide none..

you have absolutely no credibility after this, good thing its just the internet right?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
I'm feeling generous:

http://xdaforums.com/s7-edge/help/how-experiencing-android-battery-drain-t3327730

http://xdaforums.com/s7-edge/help/temporary-fix-battery-drain-t3343415

Enjoy and you're welcome.

Essays....ahh brings me back to my childhood and college days.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
I'll bite. A launcher classifies as a UI but a UI is much more than that. The second you leave your launcher, you are still in TouchWiz, therefore, a launcher does not replace the UI like richii0207 said. The rest of the "User Interface" is still TouchWiz. There was nothing incorrect about what he said which makes your question "Do you even know what UI stand for?" a silly question and I can see why he feels no need to answer it.

Edit: Fixing the funky quote business going on.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ShyamSasi:
Thanks mate, yes for a 2k display smart phone i don't expect more than 5 hours SOT. But my question is 5 hours is it rooted and customised or out of the box firmware? and the camera do we need a lot of tweaking or it works out of box with auto mode? Because i don't do like of photograph but it is mostly just office parties and stuff
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] devsk:
Anyone suffering from lag in settings or any other place in UI, try lowering (or even disabling if you don't mind no animations) all the animation speeds to 0.5x instead of 1x in developer options -> advanced. I find animations annoyingly slow. This will further speed up your finger print scanner, which is amazingly fast already. Try it, you will be surprised.

I can categorically state that I don't see any stutter on this phone. Treat that as one true data point. Nothing less, nothing more.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
I feel like the fingerprint thing is going to be another consistent preference thing in Android like headphone jack on top or bottom, AMOLED vs LCD, capacitive vs on-screen. I HATED having to pick my phone up off of my work desk to unlock with the fingerprint. The 10 has the desk convenience coupled with messy food eating, you can just use your pinky to unlock. I love that my finger natually fell on the 6P's reader but the desk usage is annoying enough to make me never want a back fingerprint reader again.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
agreed to all, I actually preffered the 6p camera with HDR on compare to the note 5. I thought its an outstanding camera.

THe HTC screen had some weird pinkish red for me too, but the most annoying thing is I cant see **** when wearing my Maui Jims, I have a feeling this would be a problem to all user who wear sunglasses that have polarized features.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] exocetdj:
I owned an s7 and it was full of bloat out of the box

Anyway u May want to change your forum name mate I'm not even going to talk to someone who uses that kind of moniker

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Sorry I will elaborate for the more picky in here.

"I was so dissapointed with the touchwiz launcher on both my old Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 and also my old s7, with icons uglier than my mother in law's fake eyebrows (yes I hate the biatch) that I replaced it with the Nova launcher. Therefore bringing a new user interface"
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pnnorth:
I've just not experienced a major issue with polorized sunglasses. If I move the phone from landscape to portrait, there is a slight dimming of the view, but it's certainly not an issue (not that I'm doubting that it can be for some).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pedodroid:
You just did by replying.

Except for facebook and the obligatory Microsoft apps, i don't see bloat. Samsungs apps are better than the google equivalent IMHO, except s- voice which is rubbish.

The gallery app, video player, music player, calender etc. all offer the basics and more. Shealth is also really good. Anytime i get a new phone or flash a new ROM i have to disable/delete

most of the preloaded google apps because there terrible to use because they lack so many features or they are useless to me.

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You just did by replying.

I'll change my forum name to barack obama because i need you to take me seriously. /s

Except for facebook and the obligatory Microsoft apps, i don't see bloat. Samsungs apps are better than the google equivalent IMHO, except s- voice which is rubbish.

The gallery app, video player, music player, calender etc. all offer the basics and more. Shealth is also really good. Anytime i get a new phone or flash a new ROM i have to disable/delete

most of the preloaded google apps because there terrible to use because they lack so many features or they are useless to me.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Also forgot to mention the display has noticeable smearing/motion blur compared to the 6P, simply due to OLED pixel response time being near instantaneous. The 10's minimum brightness is also way too bright compared to the 6P or Samsung OLED panels.

Despite everything I've said, I really enjoy using the 10... why can't more manufacturers buy OLED panels from Samsung... :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
HTC used an AMOLED in their A9 which people really liked, then they decided on a LCD which is more expensive to make and lower quality for some reason.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mouzaihem:
Hard for me to see the N5 screen with polarized glasses. Not sure how much it differs from the S7 screen though
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hosmsdos:
Because OLED sucks. Hope Iphone sticks to IPS.

Cartoonish colors.

Whites are never whites

Viewing angles not so good with purple colors

Screen burn in

Overall cheap panels

Glass on front looks like a toy

Companies who cares about loyal customers would never except such bad quality cheap panels period.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] GermanGuy:
How are reception and GPS on the 10? Currently with the S7E, I am blown away with how strong reception and GPS are. (Did not used to be a Samsung strength).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] exxi:
Things I really dislike about my HTC 10:

- Average Operating Temperature between 37-42c (gets warm way to quickly)

- Camera is average at best

- Power Button is flimsy

- laggy as hell, especially typing with Swiftkey is nearly impossible!!!!

I tried the following phones extensively in the last 2 months:

- Nexus 6P

- S7 Regular

- S7 Edge

- Nexsus 5x

Out of them all I liked the S7 regular the best so far.

I am not sure if I am going to keep the HTC 10. Not too impressed...

Anyone else having the same issues?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ro_explorer:
It is normal to feel it a little hot since the cpu is exactly under the metallic back plate.

This message is being typed on SwiftKey and it is very smooth, lag free.

Camera has some issues especially in focusing department, indeed. HTC promised a software fix.

-= Sent from a parallel universe through a wormhole =-
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] v1rk:
Sure it was full bloat but it worked out the box at least plus u didnt lose much re selling it with vr

Only thing i like about the phone the most is battery
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I'm not a Samsung or HTC fanboy, but honestly I like my S7 Edge better in every way except the hardware home button and TW. The HTC has significantly better audio output through headphones which I appreciate, but other than that nothing really stands out. I'm not getting rid of mine because I still like the phone it's just not as good as some other ones out there. The camera is also the same imx377 in my Nexus 6P, but it has a wider aperture, and OIS yet it takes worse pictures. To me that doesn't make sense; HTC has really bad post processing and to top it off its slow at capturing imaging link my Nexus. I sincerely hope they address those shortfalls because this camera has so much potential that's wasted right now. I took a series of pictures hiking with my Nexus and the HTC, but not a single HTC picture looked better. I changed post all of them below if anyone wants to see. Lastly even my S7 Edge with its over processing and washed out areas isn't as bad because Samsung fixed the initial issues promptly which is not something I expected them to do in such a timely manner. To be clear I'm not trolling or "hating" in this phone or any of my phones; I like all of them otherwise I wouldn't be keeping this one or the others.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] GermanGuy:
I am trying to find reasons to get the 10. I got the S7 edge with the idea of replacing it once the 10 comes out. I ended up really liking the S7 except sound quality and home button/fingerprint reader. If the 10 had an IR, it would be a no brainer. But now, I don't know. Reception, GPS, size of screen, camera all are awesome on the S7E. I also like the Gear VR that came free with the s7. Even though the edge is more of a gimmick, I actually like it. Decisions, decisions.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DjBorna92:
a question:

in my former lg g3 was a secret menu where you could disable some rumors that limited the maximum brightness and the frequencies of the CPU, there is something similar in htc?

the s7 and s7e for me has only one big flaw, knox.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] v1rk:
Oh na i know tom he wouldnt usually buy a samsung but was in need of something for change and he tried it and now got the 10. The resell cost was not bad but still thinking we are back to last year where there isnt a great device built yet. HTC Processing has been issue but honestly on paper the phones both tie up but it isnt going to help htc sell as much since they launched it a lot later.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thegrants82:
If the camera is a priority then the s7 wins hands down. I took a step back from my s7 to the 10 but have zero regrets.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
No!

Power button is amazing

Camera is amazing

Google keyboard is perfect and stock, device super smooth just like every HTC before

Thermals should improve with further updates
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] GermanGuy:
Thanks [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] for giving the thread a more positive balance towards the 10. Even though I am favoring the S7 Edge, I have a feeling I'll be picking up the 10 once it is available through T-Mobile this week. [MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION], You seem to have a strong loyalty towards the HTC, any particular reason? I usually just go with the brand that seems to offer the best at the time.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beno619:
Whats your ambient temp ?

The camera is very good at best.

Best power button on a HTC flagship & comparable to my iPhone 6.

Google keyboard has bbeen super smooth, best typing experience on Android for me.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Tom? Who are you talking about?

The hardware is there it just needs good software to back it up. I wish it could use Google's algorithm for the 6P because it produces the most accurate pictures during normal daylight by far. I'm not a Samsung or HTC person as I've mentioned so for me its just a well made phone with average performance.

Ive owned devices from every major OEM: Samsung, LG, Motorola, Huawei, HTC, ASUS, Nvidia, Google (Moto, LG, Huawei), and some others. It's just sad to see a device with so much potential being held back by shoddy software. Again I hope this gets addressed by HTC soon
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
Sure because this thread is just silly like an old seniors house, they think what they are saying is true but the world is probably laughing at them, especially considering the accolades this device is collecting and the praise by non Samsung fond users

Oh and I'm typing this where the weather is humid as hell, the phone didn't leave my hand on H (3g+) connection, I have been feeling it's extra drainy today, my battery is around 37c and I have collected 2.5h SOT with 30 minutes dead effect 2 included still have 50% left, always full auto brightness, so those claims of 2h total SOT are nothing but a joke

I have been around HTC since the classic desire, I love their clean well designed sane UX and supreme build quality, I hate gimmicks, I also took my best photos using HTC devices (yes I like to control my camera)

The s7e screen size, fragility, soapy ergonomics and silly UX design is not my cup of cake, also have my reservations about OLED

The A9 screen was praised because everyone just likes to praise the OLED blacks but it was yellowish with visible pentile grid next to the 10 screen it gets obliterated but hey like I said it's madness around here
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] exocetdj:
Me, the miserable sod in the corner hahahahahah:cyclops:

It was OK for a bit, trying it from the Samsung perspective, at least I have something to base my opinion on. The s7 is a flagship. Flagships usually mean good devices. The s7 had it's good points, the camera being one of them but not missing much as the ten camera is on our if not better. As said, I did get a good resale price on it.

We're all in the mix discussing the finer details and getting catty about it without enjoying what we are arguing about. lol. I'm off to enjoy my ten. . . . . . .

My opinions on touchwiz being awful are purely mine and of course are not documented fact. Those icons are still fuuuuugly tho hahahaha
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] v1rk:
Exo who i posted too originally. For me the best camera on phone which i liked was nokia lumia 930 and 1520 just not a fan of windows.

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See if it had been resale of htc that would hard since only one sold on ebay cheap and then theres a guy in surrey charging a fiver for the htc discount code.... on gumtree
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
I never understood comparisons to Samsung devices. They look like great devices but a lot of people don't even consider them an option. I haven't looked at a Samsung since my s3. Reason being how badly they document the kernel sources for the exynos chip, the qualcomm devices are locked down by carriers. They do have fantastic developers that are dedicated to Samsung like ktoonsez and others, to be fair.

This is how it's always been, Samsung has the better package, quite obviously, but with HTC you have the benefit of solid AOSP support. Which is priceless if you ask me. Unless your the person that drops a premium in april, and buys a new Nexus in November but we ain't all that rich lol.

Anyway, this and audio quality are what sell me on HTC.

I know this is 'The bad stuff' but this thread deserves at least a few posts with from people who see it this way. Oh and congrats to the guy that made a pros and cons list that actually started with cons. That's a first for me.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sc6oTch:
I'm the only that don't like the loose buttons? I remember on m7 the volume rocker was awesome but with 10 meh, fortunately they are covered with case but a bit let down on awesome qualità.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] benny3:
This thread should be in the Samsung section..just my opinion.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] FearlessAZ:
I had the S6, s6 edge, s6 active, s7 and the s7 edge. They were alright but I didn't find them that great. I had constantly take them back because I kept getting screens that had burn in and super off white colors. Probably went through 2 or 3 of each. Stuck with the S6 active for about a year. Was nice to have all the features of s6 but bigger battery. I just don't see the use of the edge. Bugged the hell out of. Looked great though. And I personally don't like TouchWiz.

I never got the purple/pink tint issue with my 10. And comparing an amoled to a lcd is pointless. Both have their pros and cons. This whole argument is a joke.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] barondebxl:
Absolutely
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hosmsdos:
I started this thread, just to talk about what is bad in 10, hoping for fast response from HTC and community to enhance/fix these issues, especially Video Camera auto focus and VCam slow FPS, which really made video camera not usable to me at first, still sucks but a bit better now, hoping new firmware would fix this, it's just really stupid and bad for business to be shipped like this, First Impressions says everything.

I did not mention any pros coz everything else is just awesome and I though this should be the best phone till date , and to me it is, but these issues kinda runes it for now. For anyone really thinking of buying m10, definitely go for it, its awesome to hold and really well built, I am a nexus FAN always have been, but honestly I am kinda loving HTC software more now.

This thread turned into something else really quickly, and I don't see any point for it anymore.