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[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
over $500 insurance with USPS = signature required

Have no fear, these are the best strangers you could trust.

Sent it out Tuesday, just got mine back today, couldn't be happier with the service, sent it out back to me the same day it was received.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Fatwrecked1:
I updated my phone yesterday, will I be able to send my phone or do I have to wait until there is a way to gain s-off for the new version?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] taspankya:
Also wondering the same... is it known yet if the ota patches the root exploit that jcase and team are using?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sodequis:
Big thanks to [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION]. You rock dude.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
This is elsewhere in this and other threads but I will restate:

1. When you get the phone back from the S-OFF process of will be S-OFF, bootloader unlocked, TWRP recovery installed and systemless root with SuperSU. If will also have been wiped.

2. If you want to take the OTA to 1.19.605.22, run [MENTION=3472611]dottat[/MENTION]'s RUU available in the forum (I ran the executable from a PC). That will reinstall unrooted system, stock recovery and boot. . IT WILL NOT RELOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER AND IT WILL NOT TURN YOU S-ON. It also will not wipe, if, like me, you had reinstalled all your apps and data before realizing that I couldn't take the OTA.

3. Boot up the device, and take the OTA.

4. Flash TWRP in download mode as you normally would and root in recovery.

If you don't know what any of these terms means, look in the appropriate forums for the appropriate threads.

There may be a signature on this sdcard somewhere.....
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tenounce:
Anyone thinking about using ups let me save you the trip or searching online. Just go usps for like $18 fully insured 2 day shipping

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[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
I seal them (well most of them unless the owner ships them in a ziplock, then i use the ziplock) because ive seen packages get soaked by rain etc, makes me feel better knowing that rain/dust wont be harming them during shipping
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ptko15:
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] just got my phone back. It's fantastic! Thank you so much!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hovercraftdriver:
Mine was just sent back today; got notice it was shipped back before I got notice he received it. :D
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] legaldeejay:
What happens if we just take the OTA without running the RUU after S-Off?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
OTA will probably fail
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
Per [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION], and my own experience, the OTA *will* fail. The device will start the process, reboot to TWRP, TWRP will try to run the script, but it can't update firmware, and it will report failure. You will reboot to system and find you're still on the original version.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
cc [MENTION=5502753]polaric[/MENTION]

We now have mail in s-off/unlock working on the first OTA.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
Updated the OP that the first ota will work. Thanks so much [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
Yay!! Thank you :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
I just got the update notification. I got my 10 unlocked and rooted by @jcase earlier this month. If I read this right, using the RUU to get the update would leave me with an updated stock, unrooted, wiped phone with stock recovery? Since it will remain unlocked and S-Off, I can flash TWRP, but if I want root again, I would have to send it back to @jcase to perform their root process again until SunShine supports the Verizon variant?

It sounds like the thing to do is just start using a custom rooted ROM that can be updated using TWRP I guess? Viper looks pretty neat and supports an OTA mechanism. :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
No.

Running [MENTION=3472611]dottat[/MENTION]'s RUU will leave you with an S-off, bootloader unlocked, unrooted device that can take an OTA. The RUU does not wipe data.

After you get the OTA, you can reflash TWRP and re-root. The device should not have to go back to [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] or [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] unless you do something to relock it.

"Search" is your friend.....
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JustinChase:
I would like to assume taking the OTA cannot possibly prevent me from getting S-Off in the future, but I try not to assume when possible. here is my concern...

I know the mail-in root/unlock/s-off still works with the OTA, but I'm a little worried that if I take the OTA, I suppose it's possible that something in that will prevent me from using the Sunshine tool in the future, if that tool ever does become available (instead of the mail-in process).

I don't know what the process involves, or what the chances are of this being a problem, but before I take the OTA, I just want to double-check that there is no chance of the OTA potentially preventing me getting s-off via Sunshine down the road.

Thanks
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
Well here's a little gem that applies in this situation only. You CAN downgrade your device using the 1.19.605.9 signed RUU I have posted in my RUU thread if you needed to from the OTA version. That said, get that damned OTA over and done with.. .you'll be happier with the results.. the camera update is pretty amazing. Totally different than how the m9 went.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] blkhrt13:
Got a notification for an OTA update yesterday :( didn't do it though. I really wish sunshine would be updated so I could root/unlock/s-off my phone at home. Ordinarily I wouldn't mind sending it in but I don't have a spare :/
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
If wishes were horses....

You saw my post above right?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] blkhrt13:
I did actually see that. After I made my post. Lol. So I'm good to take the OTA?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
Yes.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tenounce:
Do we just use the root method for the unlocked model after flashing the ruu to get the ota? Got my phone back today and trying to get everything ready. Thanks [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] for being so quick. Went without a phone for those few days lol.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Since the new twrp can mount the data even when encrypted, should just be flash twrp, boot twrp, flash supersu
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
that is pretty nifty, gold star for you
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JustinChase:
That's great news, thanks for the prompt reply. i updated earlier today.

Hoping for good Sunshine news soon :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jarras:
Got my phone back this afternoon, thanks for the quick turnaround [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jefe00:
Just wanted to say [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] rocks and so does his service. Within 3 hours of receiving the phone, it was on its way back to me. Thanks a million!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tylerw1369:
Agreed just got mine back today. Thanks [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hovercraftdriver:
I just got my phone back from [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] (thanks dude BTW), as per OP, I am good to take OTA? Straight up, or do I have to flash the RUU first? Been a long while since on HTC phone. Thanks!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
Search is your friend, and the answer is right in this thread. Brief answer, if on a Verizon 10, [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] sent you back the device: (1) S-OFF/Bootloader unlocked; (2) TWRP is the recovery; and (3) You're already rooted. To get the OTA (assuming you're still on 1.19.605.9) you need to run [MENTION=3472611]dottat[/MENTION]'s RUU to get back to stock recovery. That is a non-destructive flash (it doesn't wipe \data). THEN, while stock, unrooted, take the OTA. THEN, reflash TWRP and re-root using the SuperSU zip file in this forum.

Please, there are a lot of new folks who now have these wonderful handsets in their hands. That doesn't discharge the obligation to familiarize yourselves with the process of rooting, flashing, and customizing, nor the netiquette of XDA. Learn this stuff first so you don't inadvertently post a redundant (or stupid) question in the threads.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hovercraftdriver:
I appreciate the quick and detailed reply. Probably should have said that I read, but was confused...it is stated different ways in various different posts I read, which, to me at least, made it clear as mud. For every post you can show me that is clear to you, I can show you one that isn't to me, may even be the same post...doesn't mean I didn't look. I should be off and running now. Thanks!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
I can add some more detailed info to the OP if you guys would like.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jefe00:
[MENTION=2687835]hgoldner[/MENTION] - I just downloaded the SuperSU latest stable version (2.65) - your comment indicates to me there is a special SuperSU specifically for this purpose?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
To root your handset you should only FLASH the one posted here..

Once rooted, you can install and run whatever SuperSU you can find in Google Play,

---------- Post added at 04:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:50 PM ----------

From the looks of the repeat questions, that would probably be an excellent idea.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jefe00:
[MENTION=2687835]hgoldner[/MENTION] - I received phone from jcase, and after receiving had to perform hard reset. I then hard reset the device, and everything was working properly. I then installed supersu 2.65, and as of the current moment, my phone is still working properly (on .9 firmware). Should I install the supersu in the link over 2.65, or would you just update to .22 firmware, and let root and recovery get overwritten, then flash the supersu you mentioned? The last option seems logical to me, just don't want to take any steps that would cause my signal to not work.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
I tend to be conservative and do things "just like it says" in OP's. I haven't personally experienced the problems with encryption and radios, but Verizon is very problematic and I don't like curveballs with expensive devices. Best practices are as has repeatedly been stated with Verizon 10's. Assuming the device is returned by [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] or [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] with: (1) TWRP installed; (2) rooted, if you want the 1.19.605.19 OTA you should roll back to stock with [MENTION=3472611]dottat[/MENTION]'s OTA. Note, however, that NOW, unlike previously, you can get the OTA of 1.19.605.19 directly from [MENTION=3472611]dottat[/MENTION] and flash that over whatever you have. It will take you back to unrooted "stock," but will be nondestructive of your \data.

I am not famliar with others rooting with 2.65. That isn't to say nobody's done it successfully, I just haven't read about it. All the sources and experts upon whom I rely say to use the file I linked to, not 2.65.

You will not be able to take an OTA while on TWRP. I can't say whether you will be able to take an OTA with stock recovery and root; I haven't tried.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jefe00:
I flashed the zip for the supersu you posted successfully. Supersu shows 2.74. Hope I'm in the clear! Thanks for your help.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] calvinb1:
Sweet... Just received my phone back from [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]. Thank you so much for the quick turnaround. Much appreciated.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tylerw1369:
I got my phone back and ran the updated ruu. Followed j cases' direction for installing twrp and supersu and I'm up and running flawless. I backed up my stock system and I'm running just stock right now. I'm going to try and throw a kernal on it to see how it is but I can honestly say for being a stock phone this thing is pretty damn close to all I could ask for. Thanks again to all the sunshine devs that have made this phone one of my all time favorites. I never thought I would say that after my love affair with my g3. Thanks guys I feel I got a steal of a deal from you for only 25 bucks.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] schwem:
I'm thinking about upgrading from a G3 also. It's been so easy to mod and flash roms with the G3 I feel I'm spoiled. I was worried about development for the HTC 10 so I've held off upgrading to it in hopes these cats would release the Sunshine apk for us Verizon users as if I get the 10 I'll need to send it in to get modded but wont have a spare phone so I can't do it as I use my phone for work. Looks like development is taking off so I'll wait to see if they can get a sunshine apk released before I upgrade. Is the HTC 10 a worthy upgrade from the LG G3? I really love my G3 and don't wanna go down is screen size but the HTC 10 seems like the only worthy upgrade from the G3 since the G5 is a literal joke!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aleggsue:
From a screen point of view, I've used both the G5 and the HTC 10 and the screens are both really nice. The audio of the 10, both the speakers and the headphone jack are amazing. I haven't used headphones on the G5(bc parents phone) but I've used VModa on the 10 and it's incredible.

But this positive review is because I'm coming from a Galaxy s4 which I had a hard time finding anything positive about. To me, the new screen size is nice, but that's because it's bigger than the 5in s4. I bought the 10 for audio and design, and it's definitely been amazing in both regards.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andyw2100:
I had been holding off on sending my phone in to jcase because I was hoping to be able to use my 30 day exchange capability to exchange for a Verizon Black model, but that doesn't appear to be happening now. So, I am getting closer to pulling the trigger and sending my phone in. I'm still a bit confused about what I'll need to do to stay current on firmware versions after receiving the phone back. I have tried to read a lot here, but am not very familiar with this stuff.

I do understand, at least roughly, the various steps involved in getting back to stock if I want to take OTA firmware updates.

But there's a simpler way too, right? Isn't there a way that does not involve having to remove TWRP, etc., but rather just involves downloading an extracted ROM or something to the phone? Assuming the answer to this is yes, would I lose all my data each time I had to do this? (I believe I would not, but just want to make certain.)

I'm asking these questions because while having root access has some value to me, so does not having to think about any of this and being able to simply accept OTA updates. So I am trying to weigh the benefits of root vs the "hassle" of whatever I will need to do on an ongoing basis every time there is an OTA update available. I'm also factoring in the inconvenience of having to attempt to back up everything I've set on my HTC 10, since I know it is going to get wiped at least once in the S-off process.

Thanks in advance for the details that will help me make this decision.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cpufrost:
Can this be done with a java card?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
Java cards won't work, though clips like the xtc2 will. When they're updated. As of right now, no this is the only way.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tylerw1369:
I was felt the same way about going from the larger screen to the smaller one but I haven't even noticed really. So far I have been very happy with the development on the 10. I would say go for it if you want a new phone I truthfully haven't found anything that I drives me nuts on here. Even stock rom from Verizon is probably the best I've had in a very long time. Even better now I'm s-off and can do with it as I please.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
I probably can't answer all the questions, but if you take the latest OTA (1.19.605.19), you can still send it in to be rooted :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
[MENTION=831368]Andyw2100[/MENTION], read this post.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=66817187

Then read this post and I mean REALLY read it. [MENTION=6093703]Captain T[/MENTION]hrowback goes to great pains to make things clear and yet it mystifies me how many folks still don't get it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=66347156

Then read this post.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=66719260

Ideally, you should read the entire threads and suffice it to say that even the questions you raised in your very post have been addressed in this very thread.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
IF they are updated, you mean.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andyw2100:
Thanks for trying to help.

I think the reason you are mystified is you just don't understand how little some of us know, and how foreign the language of all this is to some of us.

I attempted to read the posts you suggested. They are not written for novices, and thus did not help me at all. The first post you suggested, to this novice, sounds as if it is a way to go back to S-on, after being S-off. Perhaps to those who understand this, it is obvious that it is also a way to simply accomplish the update I was asking about, but that's not clear to me.

I've spent a decent amount of time reading these threads, but since the language is largely foreign to me, and things seem to be changing pretty quickly, I'm not confident enough to take this plunge without knowing that there will be some instructions somewhere, written in language I can understand, that will allow me to update my phone.

Perhaps rooting isn't for me after all.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
Without proper homework and answered questions rooting likely is not for someone.

There are many folks here who will help folks out who at least do some basic homework.

What you won't see here necessarily is a line of folks waiting to hold hands.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andyw2100:
I didn't think I was looking for or asking for hand-holding.

On the other hand, I don't think someone should need to do enough research to get a PhD in this stuff in order to feel comfortable enough to have his phone s-offed. I really think the problem is that those of you who really live this stuff don't understand how confusing it all is to those of us who just want to be able to do something relatively simple.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
It's really not so hard. And I found that, once you start the process, a lot of it ends up making logical sense. Learning by doing.

Here's a post of mine where I made a short-list of steps I took to take the OTA while coming from LeeDrOid. Just be warned - the process takes quite some time.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=67069657
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
Nah...wasn't aiming the hand holding comment at you lol. As long as you keep doing what you are doing you will be fine.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tylerw1369:
Honestly Andy just try it. The beauty of having the phone with s-off is that you really can't do anything that is going to ruin your device. Just keep the ruu handy and it's an easy fix back to stock. The way to learn is to try and fail and try again. That is how most of us learn to load things on this phone.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
On the other hand, if you are unsure about things or nervous, don't do it. 99% of end users do not root. If you are uncomfortable with "the language" and unwilling or unable to devote the time to learn, don't.

There may be a signature on this sdcard somewhere.....
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
I would not say that ever. The fact a phone is s-off makes permanent damage 100 times more likely and possible than with an s-on phone. I can't tell at this point how many s-on phones I have worked with that were permanently damaged by an s-off user corrupting/wiping a partition like board-info for example.

The s status is never the problem. The user is always the greatest threat.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tylerw1369:
Hahaha true that. Touche [emoji12]

I guess I have just gotten lucky to have never messed anything up.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] damnhao:
any issues rooting 1.19.605.22? just want to confirm before i send it in.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
only 4 pages back.. ;)

not saying read the entire thread, but a search first can be helpful.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=67131339&postcount=462
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
We support that version, its easier to take the update before sending it to us.

--beaups
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] legaldeejay:
Got my phone back from jcase this weekend. I did the OTA update first, then sent it to him. The turnaround time to and from Long Island, New York was quick and it is now S-Off and rooted with no issues. Thanks again jcase for making life good again. So if any of you are apprehensive about taking that leap of faith and mailing in your phone, rest assured, you are in good hands. He was there to answer various questions on the chat site, and I felt a lot more comfortable about the process after going back and forth on whether I should do it. There may be no other option for you anyway if an app cannot be developed, and I certainly had no desire to wait in limbo, so just do it and mail it out. Once you do this, you can overcome any obstacles in life.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
For those protesting that they don't understand root and the process and what is required and what is involved, I refer you to this brand new post over on Android Central. In fact, it might not be a bad idea to put it in the OP. In addition, there is a great thread on XDA located here that also discusses the fundamentals.

If you don't familiarize yourself with these concepts, it's not really fair or reasonable to impose upon others to handhold. XDA is not a help desk; it's a developer's forum.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
I'll add it to the OP in a bit, compiling a bunch of resources to post in the OP to reduce the amount of 'silly' questions.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
I just added more to the OP. If anyone has anything else they think should be added or something that should be clarified, please feel free to PM me. And everyone else, please read the OP before asking any questions! If someone wishes to write a Q&A and send it to me Ill gladly include it, else I'll do it in a bit.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] awareunlikeu:
Well said! Peeps need to do their homework and get a grasp on the fundamentals of Android hacking! I've always said I much preferred learning the hard way using command line then a One Click utility! So that way you know if something goes wrong you always have that Foundation to fall back on.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hovercraftdriver:
I'm curious, are you a developer? Because I don't see developer under your avatar. Which is cool, but some may consider it pompous and hypocritical to (respectfully, I'll admit) chastise and instruct others on developer forum etiquette if one is not, you know, a developer oneself, or a moderator...just saying.

By the way, 90% of that Android Central artical is so high level that it won't help a lot of the questions I have seen asked in here, IMO.