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[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] power950:
so from what I'm understanding is if you're on stock Android nougat there's no way to go soff now? I ran sunshine and it cannot gain temproot? Do you think it will be supported in the future? I've been avoiding taking a persistent ota should I even bother? I sent my defective phone in and I got a new one that's fully updated and it pisses me off I had to give up my unlocked bootloader due to a manufacturer defect
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
Only way of s-off for verizon Nougat is to mail it in.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rupert.perkens:
Hi,

I've got an oddball HTC 10 here fresh out a sealed box. Anybody able to help characterizing it?

Version info

MODEL: 2PS6500 (as printed on back)

Android version: 7.0

Software version: 2.42.651.66

Fun facts

Said it was an HTC developer type phone on first boot

Carrier unlocked by default (any SIM can be used for data/calls)

WiFi MAC looks weird and hardly real

OEM unlock cannot be selected from developer options

Sunshine says nothing to be done
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
Based on the software version you listed it's a Sprint variant, or at least has sprint software on it. It's also s-off apparently. For the model id, instead of relying on the sticker you can try booting into download mode and doing fastboot getvar all.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rupert.perkens:
Thank you. I've got the "fastboot getvar all" ouput right here:

Meanwhile I noticed my provider doesn't offer LTE and apparently with the current software on this phone, it won't allow UMTS data connections.

Assuming the device is s-off plus the above version information, is it possible to flash software that will allow all data access?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
Definitely a Sprint variant, based on the mid.

Since it's s-off you may be able to salvage something. Check out this thread below and see if the procedure works for you.

https://xdaforums.com/sprint-htc-10/how-to/tut-debrand-sprint-htc-10-flash-ruu-t3501250
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
Being supercid, I'd download and run latest vzw RUU.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
I thought that doesn't work well on the Sprint variant, no?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
Is that the case?

My apologies if so.

Thought that you can run any hTC 10 software with correct cid/mid

As to the correct bands and all that I'm also unsure.

I would like to know this for future.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Waleslie:
After trying unsuccessfully to convert a Sprint HTC10 into a fully functional Verizon HTC10, I gave up and bought a used Verizon HTC10 off eBay.

Now I'd like to install TWRP and root it.

It's got Android 7.0

Software 2.41.605.12

Do I have to do Sunshine to S-off? or can I accomplish what I want without S-off?

Is the only way to S-off via mailing it in or is there some downgrade route to accomplish it? (The sunshine app was unsuccessful)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
Yes, that's the only way to s-off a Verizon 10 on Nougat, as stated in a few posts, one of which is only about 9 or 10 posts back...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Waleslie:
Right, I kinda gathered that S-off would mean mailing it in... but do I need S-off to be able to install TWRP and to root it?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
Yes
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Yes.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jeb1008:
Root Help

Hi

I have a VZW HTC10 and have tried rooting with Sunshine. Sunshine fails everytime I run it. My software is 2.41.605.30. Is there another method I can try are do I need to ruu back to a later software. I am usually pretty good at rooting HTC phone but for some reason VZW likes to make it difficult. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
I suggest reading back a few posts...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
Cant SOFF using sunshine with nougat OS. It requires it to be mailed into the dev's themselves
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] evetsnameloc:
I'm just wondering if there are any plans to make available a consumer-level solution to rooting/s-offing the Verizon HTC 10, that is, not requiring mailing in the phone.

I'm sure that there are others like me who cannot afford to be without a phone for however long the turnaround time is, and who would be willing to pay a premium to have access to this ability.

Or should I give up hope?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Sunshine supports the Verizon 10 on all versions except nougat. If you are on nougat, Mail-in service is all we currently offer. Prepaid phones are cheap, might be a good solution while waiting a few days for mail-in service.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] HenryA75:
Sorry, but the idea of mailing my phone to a stranger on the internet just doesn't seem the smartest thing to me. I have personal data on my phone including bank accounts, credit cards, emails, etc, so I'd have to wipe my phone to send it in losing all that data which would take days to set back up, and I use it for work every day (so using a prepaid phone in the mean time would also take days to setup). I would be more than happy to pay for the release of this software or do a remote hacking. However I've already talked to the sunshine developers about this and they are unwilling to compromise. They refuse to do a remote hacking as they don't want their method to be shared (someone could record the process) and they won't release the software for free. So it would take a new developer to find a method. I'm officially stating that I would chip in $50 to anyone who comes up with a method to root the Verizon HTC 10 running nougat.

Also they're are lots of programs out there that have various methods of making sure it was paid for. Sure pirating happens, but I feel like they would get more people paying for this than the mail in service even if a percent of people pirate it. It seems silly to me to make this such a limited service.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
That's hilarious, no offense. But this ? crew has been around since the beginning of HTC and S-off and they are the only ones who have ever been able to pull it off. Sending them your device with insurance is absolutely safe, I have done it twice. But if you got "all that data that takes days to set up" then unlocking, rooting and s-off is not for you. You will lose that data at some point anyway if you do not back it up at some point.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] HenryA75:
Perhaps. I've rooted without loss of data on other devices though so I don't quite agree with that part. Rooting doesn't always mean a new rom. They may have a reputation here but they are only user names on a forum to me, and beyond that. I am still sending a tool I need for work full of sensitive data in the mail. Insurance can't cover that.

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I'm not the only one willing to pay for this software. I understand not wanting to have the method stolen, but I still have to believe that more people would pay for the software then mail it in. Just sucks that only because my version is higher I have to mail it in when others didn't. I don't need root that bad so I'll wait until there is another method.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jascolli:
I don't think your getting it. There won't be any other method. The 10 is in their rearview mirror I'm sure and no one else has the HTC know how to do it.

Beaups and jcase are straight up good guys. I overnighted my 10 to them and they turned it around in record time. Your decision though.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] HenryA75:
I'm not claiming they're not more am I upset with them over this. I want that part clear. I've just heard to many horror stories with that kind of thing so I'm just saying my bit. As said I don't need it that bad. I have to imagine that they're will eventually be a universal root for nougat just like other android versions. I don't expect it tomorrow by any means, but as I said I'm in no rush. Maybe eventually I'll need it bad enough I'll mail it in. It really comes down to having to get and setup a temporary phone. It's just not worth the effort when really all I want to do is remove a few stock apps and expand a couple non-essential Tasker profiles.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Unlocking through HTC dev wipes data, but their root method may be able to get temp. Root and unlock without going through HTC dev, I don't know. But it has to be rooted to get s-off so it will have to be unlocked.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gorm:
There are reasons the Sunshine guys only offer a mail in method to S-off for the VZW 10

Pretty sure the S-off process is a little more complicated that can't just be compiled into a software package.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
Disregard....
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Sure, as long as your bootloader is unlocked and you have TWRP...as per the prerequisites....but in that case you could also run SunShine while on Nougat ;)

--beaups
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
Hahaha, good point.

I Guess I hadn't completely thought it through.

Didn't think about the bootloader being unlocked, as I'm so used to that going hand in hand with s-off on Vzw.

Oh well, was just somewhat surprised and blinded by the ability to downgrade while s-on.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
:) BTW his tool just changes the mainver in misc
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
I saw that part [emoji6]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] billd1954:
Just a shout out to say THANK YOU - got my phone back today! Fast turn around, great job!!!!:)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] VastOne:
Can I assume this is still the case today? I just received a Verizon H10 and was looking forward to crDroid on it

I ran the sunshine apk and the temproot fails..

Just needing a reassurance before sending it in

Thanks
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
Still the case
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] VastOne:
Thank you..
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thumper_ss:
just a quick question im in the process of ordering a htc 10 and was wondering the turn around time for the s-off if i mail it into the developers
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gorm:
I overnighted mine and the turnaround time was only 3 days. Jcase did his magic and the the phone was mailed back the same day.

Best money I've ever spent for what was achieved.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bluedimensional123:
hey all,

i just wanted to check in, before i root my 10. This thread is quite long, so i cannot read every page of it :p.

i just got a replacement 10, so it's stock. Is it still the best option to use sunshine apk, to S-OFF / unlock bootloader?

upon launching sunshine apk, i get the message "on encrypted HTC devices running 6.x or 7.x with encrypted userdata, unlocking the bootloader will corrupt the encryption key. (and so on...)" i just wanted to make sure this message still applies, as mine has 8.1 Oreo.

i just like to be totally sure as i have made massive mistakes in the past! Do i want to choose "S-OFF/LOCKED" option?

[IMG="screenshot"]https://photos.app.goo.gl/jUTxw3UW4jgeG3HAA[/IMG]

cheers!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
If you have a Verizon 10 on Oreo you cannot use the apk to s-off. You have to mail it to the Sunshine team
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bluedimensional123:
ok, thanks! i am glad i asked, and definitely need to do that!

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can you link me to that info?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gorm:
http://bfy.tw/IZho
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bluedimensional123:
I totally deserved that. I'm ashamed even.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dancerobot:
I have a verizon HTC 10 with 6.0.1, software version 1.19.605.22. I understand that if we are on nougat, the mail in option is the way to go. However, as I am still on Marshmallow, I am wondering if it is possible to downgrade to 1.85.605.8 ?

When trying to flash the RUU I get the error "error: cannot load..."

It seems like most of the instructions assume either 1.85.605.9 needs to be downgraded or nougat. Wondering if I should keep working on 1.19.605.22 :)

Edit: it seems to be working via physical SD card, it was just the fastboot push that was not working.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
sent my baby in today also. So far its been a great experience working with jcase. Gets right back to my questions/ concerns and seems very willing to help out. I wanted to get mine shipped back to me before the weekend so I paid for special shipping and return shipping, which the PO screwed me over and still probably wont be back till monday but its up to the man if he can ship back to me same day he receives it, crossing fingers. I hate to rush anyone but it is what it is.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Brianp48093:
I bubble wrapped the S@!t out of mine also lol.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sjpritch25:
Yeah, I would mail in but I did the vzw trade & need a phone. I'll be patiently waiting for sunshine to be updated. Got to the stock experience isn't has bad as other HTC phones. I'll be able to bare it till sunshine is updated.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
I just hope [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] has a breakthrough because I don't have a spare phone to send mine in!

And right now I need root to attempt to fix the weird wifi issues this phone has.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
On a side note, [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] if it takes a long time to package the exploit like it did with the m9, how long can you keep the mail in service going? In your place I certainly wouldn't want to keep that up for a long time.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
We will keep it up until another solution is available, or until we can't do it anymore (it is time consuming). If anyone intends to send it in, I suggest doing it before the next update, it will take some time to adjust to each update.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Yeah, those Verizon bastards will try to ruin our devices! Send them in now!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
Crap. @jcase, can I send you an extra $10 for shipping?

I am a little embarrassed I didn't realize this earlier, but while the Large Flat Rate shipping box I chose was convenient for me (as I already had it), it was also more to ship. And, since you are obviously going to return ship it in the same box, it's also going to cost you more. Duh... If I remember correctly from generating the shipping label, I think the price difference was about $6+ from the medium box that would have worked, but I cant recall exactly. Anyway, you mentioned eating the cost if over $8, which Im sure it will be with insurance. I don't want you losing more money because of my rushed box choice.

This should also serve as a PSA for others wishing to use the SunShine mail-in service. If J is absorbing any return shipping costs outside what he charged, you should try to minimize it as much as possible by choosing an appropriately sized box.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noob766:
I just paid but then I realized that if I shipped it tomorrow it wouldn't arrive until the Mon, 16. Which there's no guarantee that it will be in the morning.

I'm guessing it will probably be better to wait until after the 22nd to have it arrive.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I should probably send some more cash then if you intend to reuse my box jcase. Didn't even think about that. I used a $13.45 flat rate box. Just say the word if you will reuse that box
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] blkhrt13:
I do apologize in advance if this question has already been asked or answered, but is the root/unlock/s-off method being used going to be made public, I guess I mean to say? So that like I could do it myself without having to mail my phone? Just curious
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Yes, it will be made public when they can get it put into the sunshine apk. For now mail in only though.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] blkhrt13:
Nice. I mean I don't mind mailing in my phone, I just enjoy doing it myself. I love the satisfaction in it. Lol
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
The goal is to get the Verizon variant compatible with SunShine eventually. There is no ETA or guarantee, however, that this will even happen. Also, it is possible for updates to make this process more difficult, I believe. The mainstream thinking is getting it done sooner rather than later, especially since there is a working option.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] blkhrt13:
Yeah I completely understand that. And if an update does pop up on my phone, I'll do all I can to stop it. But I want to wait maybe a week and see if it hits Sunshine, and if not then I'll probably go ahead and mail it. I'm so so happy that this has happened though.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andyw2100:
I'm pretty sure you misunderstood blkhrt13's question, Evocm7.

jcase, beaups, and the rest of the Sunshine team, to the best of my knowledge, have no plans to make the details of their work public. Yes, they are hoping to incorporate the ability to unlock and s-off into Sunshine, so that users can pay for the Sunshine license, and run the software on their phones without having to send their phones in, but I'm 98% certain that is not what blkhrt13 meant when he inquired about the method being made public so he could do it himself.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
Completely agree. But, I'm also impatient. I also feel like there will be cool ROM's available before the app is compatible, and I want to be able to flash. :cool:
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] canito10:
Just paid for s-off service, just waiting for confirmation and shipping address to send my precious 10 tomorrow! Excellent job guys! ??
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I just thought he meant public as in rooting it yourself
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] blkhrt13:
That's basically what I was asking. Whether it were going to be mail in only, or whether they would be able to update sunshine so that all we would have to do is pay for the license and run the app and bam.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
Check your junk/spam box. That's where mine got directed to. The response was almost immediate after payment confirmation.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andyw2100:
OK.

Well, then I was mistaken, but you sure worded that oddly. Working the exploit into Sunshine is certainly not "making it public."

Don't get me wrong--I'll be delighted if and when they are able to do this, and I support everything they are doing. Your initial post just sounded like you were expecting something else entirely, and the first answer you received seemed to be leading you down the wrong path.

I'll butt out now, since somehow you two were speaking the same language.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
I wrestled with this too. My thought was they wouldn't go through the hassle of mail in if SunShine was able to do the job in the near future. J even stated that it will be a hassle and much added work, but wanted to make the Verizon variant option available to users that didn't want to wait an unknown amount of time. Even to the extent of losing some $$ on return shipping. With that kind of service from the team, its clear that the SunShine option is not around the corner.....yet.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] canito10:
Thanks for the advice! It was there! Just hoping they get the phone before the 16th!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
I think you'll be ok. Doesn't USPS deliver on Saturdays and even Sundays in some cases now? When I order from Amazon (using the 2-day Prime service), I get Saturday deliveries all the time and even Sunday delivery every once in a while. Im not sure if Sunday delivery is an Amazon exclusive perk fulfilled by a third party or not, but I do see our USPS mail truck on Saturdays. I'm sure they can give you the ETA when you drop it off. I suggest using their priority service with insurance.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
USPS only does contract deliveries like Amazon on Sundays. I'm sure there are others but regular post won't move Sunday
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
I'm regretting giving away all my spare phones now because I want to just mail-in.

[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] forgive me if this is a stupid question, because I have no clues about the workings of your exploit, but maybe if it doesn't require any physical hardware, people could pay you a bit more and you could do it by remote? Then you can keep your secret sauce secret. Adb through ssh on someone's computer or something similar. I'd defidently pay more since I don't have a spare to use, you guys deserve it for all the work!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
No, because someone would jsut steal it.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
I am going to wait a few weeks or so to see if the Sunshine app can be updated before mailing in. I don't have a spare phone, so figuring out what to do without this one would be tricky.

But, here's a quick question. Someone (possibly [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]) said that things might get trickier after updates are sent out by Verizon. Now that dottat has posted stock Verizon firmwares, would we be able to downgrade after an update? Or is that still unknown?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Considering with the up coming travel, I doubt you will see it happen in a few weeks, also at this time we are only doing this on the release firmware, once OTA hits it may take quite some time to support the new firmware.

Unlikely on downgrades without s-off
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sh3llSh0ck:
Im in the same boat. I don't have a spare phone and hope there's a chance to use the app to soff.

We can always hold off on ota, right? They don't force the update, do they?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I don't know about HTC phones as I've always had all of my phone rooted within the first week of owning them for this very reason, but I remember when I had my s4, only the release firmware was able to get the bootloader unlocked. After that they only managed to get bootstrap working which was a pain. I remember seeing people say their phones would update automatically overnight while charging though
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
Well, crap. You talked me into it. I placed my order and will send it out either tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully I can get it in before the May 16 pause. Quick question - does it need to arrive before May 16 (ie May 14) or can it arrive on May for processing? Just trying to figure out my shipping costs... Thanks so much for all of your crazy genius work!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Needs to arrive on 16th at latest
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Schedonnardus:
I'm torn between waiting and hoping that sunshine will get updated (i know you can't comment on that) and mailing it in. what is the ballpark turnaround once a phone is received?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
depending on arrival time, same or next day. If the carrier comes late in the day, next day.

I pick my daughter up around 3:30, thats when i make my post office trip, long as it arrives before then, i can get it out same day most of the time