yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[ONE General] jgcaap:
The real question i would like to see your opinion, would be this.

Google haven't done much to protect developers work.

As you know many developers donate their time for free to develop apps. And consider some apps should be used for a small fee.

Same as you going to a store and having the option to steal or to buy a book.

Sometimes we think " ah those companies are gigantic" , but they also pay to alot of people to work. Shouldn't that matter ?

As a human beeing, i've donated to xda, donated blood to hospital, donated my free time to help poor people in Portugal, donated my time to help timor (around 1996-7 when i was a kid). But when i'm providing a service, where the deal is i'll do this and in exchange i'll receive something. Don't you believe it is fair?

The big problem with the anti piracy measures, which in my opinion should be implemented by google , do not work effectivly for users. In exchange many of us get used to that reality. Right? But should we? Or should we try do something?

I came up with this thread because, I've thought about Content Guard as a measure which is not efficient to change and become a safe working enviroment for people which dedicate their lives to android. But I think we can see this as a simbol of wanting things to change from some people which are frustrated for not beeing sucessfull in their work.

So I ask you, as all users here. We live and fight our lifes to be happy. Should we embrace and try better solutions to find a balance where more people becomes happy (developers), and in exchange they'll be putting more time, doing a harder work to deliver a better app.

What do you think?

As you know i'm Democratic, and I love to discuss ideas. So please, feel free to share yours. I'll be happy to understand your perpective as it is important to find a common ground together. :)

Thanks
[ONE General] f41lbl0g:
Although I do not pirate apps, I would rather not have contentguard. Google could've easily have anti piracy measures on stock roms considering that a high percentage of apps are pirated, but they didn't, because it compromises the openness of android (I know there are a lot of additional factors to this as well.) Developers of roms shouldn't have to take it upon themselves to force users to not install certain applications because even if contentguard is present, people who pirate can easily switch over to other roms, which means that contentguard only hurts the privacy people who actually pay for apps.

I understand what the rom developers are trying to do with contentguard, but it is not effective on a large enough scale to be a viable stop to piracy, unless it is implemented google themselves (a couple thousand of people running a custom rom which happen to have contentguard vs about a billion android devices).

TLDR: No
[ONE General] lampshade90:
For me it seems, that you haven't understand the meaning of capitalism.

Some people will live some people will die. Some people will be rich, some poor, same for companies.

That's the world.

I think it's up to the developer. There are ways to make piracy harder. The harder you will make it, the more people will buy it. If you're not capable of programming an app, which is hard to Crack you should definitely change your job to something you're good at.

Your social engagement might be good for you, for me it would wasting my small amount of time. From your text you could get an intention that it's god given what you will make out of your life. It's definitely not.

I don't care if you implement this. You will make it harder to use pirated apps but it's still possible and it's work for you. So I have no opinion to this topic I just wanted state out, that it will be work for you, less people will use your rom and if you want pirated apps it's still possible.

But honestly noone will buy an app due to your implementation. Maybe it will gain you experience but nothing more....
[ONE General] jgcaap:
Well is also true we live capitalism. But the way you express it is like it doesn't have flaws. Do you really believe that?

I haven't decided on adding yet. I like to listen to people, to speak and discuss. For you might be a loss of your time... But for me is information gathered among different people which I believe it is important, or I would be rather selfish on doing things without asking questions. No ? =p

Hehe.

Thank you for your honest answer. :)
[ONE General] jgcaap:
Thanks :)
[ONE General] lapapunk:
Please don't add this. I thinking exactly like you.
[ONE General] lampshade90:
I'm totally fine with people, that do social jobs and do social things.

Dude totally no offense! I love your rom, you're doing a great job.

It's just my point if you don't want to pay for an app you never will...

I know people, who buyed a xbox360 because it was hacked. If it wasn't hacked they would have never buyed one. And there are always ways to avoid paying.

And there are always ways, that never made it to the public. People learn, if it's usable for everyone the developers patch it, but the really interesting things are those that never made it to the public. Only saying the ps4 never got hacked and it's safe doesn't make it true, cause there are always ways...

And maybe the developers of this guard dont know that there are ways, that's even better so they will never patch them....

If you secure your software, there are min 10 people looking for doors.
[ONE General] pijas82:
Exodus 2? :(
[ONE General] jgcaap:
I understood my friend... And thank you.

Well this is something debatable. I won't gain any coin for adding as I do not put any price tag for the rom, would be a decision which is made based on philosophy and what I think a better world would be.

But there is something I believe that is true. Google should implement a similar system to windows Phone.

Did you know windows phone have a trial option for buying apps? I find this feature so cool on windows phone.

You know something that saddens me alot in this world is basically that I have a degree in economics, after graduation on finance and taxes, and soon master in finance. The enterprise world , at least in Portugal, look to me as a number where what i'm capable to do doesn't matter. At least that's how i feel. And then you have a coleague where has a friend of a friend and is able to get somewhere. But that person doesn't have the capacity to resolve real problems.

When I compare this to the situation of apps, people pirating etc, I look the same way. Should not be this way. It is unfair to live in a corrupt world. And that is not capitalism. At least not the ones which are shared on the books.

Remember one thing. When i exchhange opinions, it is because i'm interested in yours . I could not care and decide alone, but I'm the type of person which likes to decide things together with others. :P

Hehe

I hope i can continue making you happy with the rom. :)
[ONE General] hellcat50:
I began with Root because if these apps (first time on my S3 when I was 15) I can't afford to spend money because I had no Job. So I say "Thanks" to these apps.
[ONE General] jgcaap:
Why not CyanogenMod 13 by jgcaap? :p
[ONE General] TheCrazyLex:
Actually Exodus is at version 6.0.x currently.

Alex
[ONE General] jgcaap:
Alright. This is a very nice and valid motive. You deserve 10 votes for sharing this.

I already was on this boat also and later made me buy the apps.

Thanks :)
[ONE General] pijas82:
Jorge, I know you for a while already. And I sincerily love everything you do. One of the things that made me become sad with exodus was that there are some games. What happens is, there are some games that provide a unbalanced system which require credits to play. Lucky patcher for example, helps on those situations.

Any decision you take on i'll support you till the end. Thanks
[ONE General] joefso:
[MENTION=2040569]jgcaap[/MENTION], afaik google reports do indicate that they are actively trying to protect their system from malicious software and the numbers are actually quite low for malcious infection! However piracy is more a legal issue rather than a software issue, see reports for countries where piracy has a large penality vs the one that have almost to no restrictions. There are active agencies that are tracking root-content uploaders, this is a big battle in itself but has proven its effectiveness.

Overall I think content guard approach is much like the teacher from the simpsons trying to tame bart simpson. Just imagine or recall what that has been like, this is meant seriously and with some humor ...
[ONE General] jgcaap:
hehehe. Well is a funny idea.

I see it a bit differently. Like a simbol you know.

I don't like much to live in a rigurous place. I prefer a relaxing place where are minimal rules but everything works out perfectly.

I kind of would like to see at which point content guard will protect developer interests between the views of the users.

I speak openly because I believe that perhaps we can find here a nice balance. Is important to understand the real motives of what makes us do something.
[ONE General] joefso:
yes I think I get what you are saying, something that unites us.. , it is currently like developers and users are arm wrestling with each other and the problem with this is that none of the parties are willing to give in and a draw is not really a solution long term. The premise of this game is that there has to be a winner, there can be no two winners. So maybe we have to play another game here...

I think a solution would be more in terms of where both parties can benefit from buying and with this I mean more than trading money for an app, like another layer to it through which users and developers can both benefit financially. So the growth has to come from both parties and when it does both parties benefit;

I know this is still abstract but I believe in the potential. Symbolically I keep envisioning a coin that is broken in half and both sides unite them.
[ONE General] jgcaap:
I have already thought on an idea which i'll announce after my exam. Still I wish to open opinions in order to find the fairest solution.
[ONE General] Okeys:
No,it's a bad idea.Android has always been open and free system.These features always make android users happy.I think,you shouldn't do this.We have one ROM-Exodus with this guard,that's enough.
[ONE General] Ribery771:
Currently i am using Googles opinion reward to buy my apps. Got Nova Launcher for 10 Cents and now im waiting to buy titanium Backup. So there is always a way, you can get apps for Free.

But i also used and use Lucky patcher. For example i bought the Premium of vibrate mode on playstore for my OP2. The creator of the app published a beta on xda, but didnt update the app on playstore, so while installing the beta Version, i lost my Premium i bought before. Using Lucky patcher, i can use the app again with Premium Features.

So there is not always a bad thing using Lucky Patcher, sometimes it helps to get what you bought for.

Furthermore, i doubt that Content guard stops people from pirating apps. There is always a way to get or install cracked apps. Just look on Microsoft Windows. Microsoft tried so hard to make it safe, but one week after it got published you can crack it already. And if one Person adds Content guard to his Rom, there are 2 or more that don't. You cant stop pirating with adding it, because people Who know how to use those apps mostly also know how to make it work again.

And most paid apps also have similar apps you can use for free. Maybe they got one feature you would like to use, but dont want to spend the money and use the similar free to use app. So you can use the free app, or use the cracked app. For the User, it's kinda the same. If you use the cracked app and you like it, maybe you would tell your friends and they buy the app. Happend to me with weatherpro. I had the cracked Version, told my Brothers what a great app it is and they bought the app. I don't have the money to buy the app, they do. It's the same with movies you watch at home instead of going to the cinema. A study showed, that people who are watching movies at home tell friends about the movies and make them watching the movie in a cinema. Advertising that way is one of the biggest source of income for cinemas.
[ONE General] kimikim0:
please dont, your Rom one of THE best Rom i ever flash on my oneplus one, please just let other dev do with their rom and not the famous CyanogenMod 13 by Jgcaap, please just keep doing what you do best build some bada$$ rom for our beloved opo :fingers-crossed:
[ONE General] Purerawenergy:
"Thou shalt not steal." Clear enough?
[ONE General] myshakugan:
Question is, does content guard stop the installation of cracked versions of paid apps of play store that are available on other sites? I would think not. And if that's the case, it's pretty useless imo. Afaik, people use apps like lucky patcher to get their way around in app purchases in certain apps and implementing content guard won't make anyone stop doing that, they'll just move on to another rom that doesn't have content guard. And besides, most of the apps I know of currently have their own security measures to stop this sort of cracked purchases. Content guard won't do much here. People would need to understand the importance of not installing cracked apps, otherwise they won't ever stop, they'll just keep finding alternatives.

Moreover, many people, including me, love to use your rom because it is a hugely improved version of cm, of how cm should have been, without any extra gimmic or pointless features. Adding anything extra will only take that stock feeling away.

This is just my two cents, remember, the end decision is obviously yours and your ROM's gonna stay awesome because of the amount of work you put in it. ????

Tldr: no.
[ONE General] coloured_chalk:
This is a virus

I voted for "YES", but I'm not sure.

May be I will be first person here to say this words.

Main reason is, ContentGuard is a malware. Really, it deletes your apps! I know, it deletes luckypatcher and piracy stuff, but who know, what can be added to that "black list" ? What if somebody adds "com.google.play" there and Google Play will be deleted, or something other?

This is really serious and dangerous functionality. Who takes real responsibility of maintaining black list?

If somebody will guarantee about "black list" safeness, I will be towards. If not - this is malware and should not be included in ROMS.

P.S. I don't use luckypatcher and don't have any pirated apps, but I'm scared about this app capabilities. Somebody needs to take responsibility on it and take care on this ContentGuard.
[ONE General] Renosh:
It's open source so its easy to see what's been added in the black list. Secondly claiming malware is kind of over reacting without understanding what you're talking about. It's doing exactly what it's intended to do and that's block specific known pirate enabling apps.

I'm personally against adding Content Guard to the ROM. I don't see a big impact being had from some custom ROMs with a couple thousand users being blocked from using pirated apps. First pirated apps don't need to be patched most of the time from my experience. It's just download and install the apk. Apps like lucky patcher are generally used for specific functions or apps which require something extra. There are xposed modules for disabling stuff like Content Guard. Being open source makes it possible for people to find work arounds if this were to go mainstream.

The people who pirate have more incentive and they are doing it for fun, they outnumber people attempting to control pirating. They will always find a way and its more work than necessary for any dev to try and prevent future development of cracks.

People who don't have money won't buy the apps either way and people who don't want to spend won't be convinced by blocking them from using these apps. It is a great idea in theory but if it's impossible for billion dollar companies like Microsoft I don't see things changing on the Android side. You can add it to your ROM but the only thing you'll get is a reduction in your user base, tangible benefits cannot be evaluated and its more of a mental win for you than anything else
[ONE General] firenxe:
As long as it does not affect the performance/stability/battery of the ROM, I'm all up for it. I believe this would be the general stance of most users here who don't use pirated apps and would not be affected by it even if implemented.
[ONE General] grusta:
I voted No.

Indeed, you are right when you say that devs must be paid for their work, etc. I support all arguments coming from TheCrazyLex and jgcaap.

However, as said early, including ContentGuard is more a symbolic act than a real effect on piracy. Those who really want stolen apps will find a way, an easy way, because the opensource of Android is his weakness and his strengh.

I support the symbol, but I answered no as a power user. I don't want somebody impose to me the apps I use. I prefer the moralistic approach rather than the force. It worked for me. Most of us here are advanced users.

In the past, I used some apps dedicated to piracy, for testing purpose, to try some premium apps and to hack some games. It helped me make a choice. Today, I don't use any piracy app, and I'm the happy owner of some apps' licences which I like.
[ONE General] jjrojo:
Well, i don't use any paid or premium app, but what I do not like is someone telling me I should or not use, so I bought a oneplus one with cyanogen and not any other trademark. Contentguard is out of place for me. This is only my opinion.
[ONE General] tammazz:
I agree with [MENTION=2040569]jgcaap[/MENTION], done somthing is better than done nothing ^^
[ONE General] :
I think, its a good idea to protect the interests of the devs who builds app professionally.

But when you enforce something like this, you basically make android behave like "not so android".

Rooting and unlocking bootloader as security concerns, we still do it. Which can have way more negative outcome compared to piracy.

Power of Android, is to be able to whatever **** you want to do. Not by restricting anything, but being able to do everything.

Its like scrutinizing/regulating the deep web, it defeats the purpose, even though its for a good cause.
[ONE General] tammazz:
I know, but i don't belive the idea of freedom would be harmful (Google translate, don't know if is the right word) for one other (dev in this case, but user too). I belive my freedom hold on when became a damage (maybe better than harmful?) for one other. So content guard don't hurt me anyway, and i would be really happy if people who love jgcaap rom understand his point of view and support his idea :)
[ONE General] wrinkletit:
Hey i like this one! :o:o:o
[ONE General] Traace:
No! No! No!, everybody should be free in what he likes to do with the device / rom. Everybody should have its own feeling for if a thing is good now or bad, in fact there should be no higher authority to force us how to feel then at all. It must come from ourself.

Therefore it wouldn't help to implant a contentguard, the users who are bad minded would build workarounds then...

If u wan't to stop piracy u have to work on human mindsets first!
[ONE General] Neroga:
I support the idea of content guard, sure. Its actual functionality is where the problem lies. Seems like the only surefire way for Content Guard to work would literally be blocking root access in the ROM (lol?). I've messed with many ROMs that have included Content Guard and it hasn't taken me more than a couple of minutes to "disable" it with a simple root explorer and free hex editor available on the play store.

Not only that, but what about apps like Showbox that allows piracy of movies and TV shows? Not once has that ever been included in Content Guard, which is supposed to be piracy free!

The ROMs that I've tried that include Content Guard have suffered the same thing. Lack of support from the community. The only thing it's done is cause a few minutes of a delay in using piracy related apps.

No, I do not condone piracy. I used to be so enthusiastic about Android and all it has to offer, but now it is nothing more than a phone to me. Mostly due to the fact that 90% of both free AND paid apps are littered with in app purchases. The smartphone market has ruined itself, and even PC/console games are falling prey to in app purchases. Makes me miss the flip phone days. c':
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ozoratsubasa:
Since some weeks ago, my Moto Maxx (the brazilian name of Droid Turbo) is with problems to record audio, excluding for video where the audio is recorded normally. When I try to send an audio in Whatsapp, for calling or recording with any voice recorder, the mic is very low. I listen to myself only when I shout and very very low. Any soluction?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
Look at the microphone holes. Make sure dust or debris is not in the hole. Take a toothpick or pin and stick it carefully in the hole.

Somebody else had that problem and clearing the microphone hole solved the problem. Something had clogged the hole and it was not easy to see until examining closely.
[Android General] AqdhdZwty:
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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge] tuneon:
Hi To All

Please help me out to root my verizon-galaxy-s6-edge SM-G925V .

I'm on

MM 6.0.1

and i cant find any way on-line to root SM-G925V.

i appreciate your help !
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge] Gil81:
There is not a Way to Root marshmallow at this time. Sorry. I'm in the same boat. About to move to the nexus 6p.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge] tuneon:
It's only on Samsung ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge] Snowby123:
The Verizon Galaxy S6 Edge had root, but only on the two earliest builds of the OS. The root exploit was patched after that and because the bootloader remains locked, there is no way to root any newer builds. Verizon phones have never been root friendly. Usually very soon after root is obtained the next OTA disables root permanently. :(
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] Termynat0r:
Hi,

for some reason I am unable to expand any notifications whether in lockscreen or in the notification shade.

Anyone knows a solution?
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] Zinken:
Do you have lockscreen security enabled? Pin, password or fingerprint. I don't think you are able to expand notifications before the phone is unlocked.
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] Termynat0r:
Yeah I have fingerprint. But the problem does exist in the notification shade, too (after unlocking)
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] schyzo001:
Hi,

I agree on the fact that the notifications should be expandable only when lockscreen is unlocked...

However, I'm a little annoyed by the fact that it seems impossible to dismiss the notifications from the lockscreen: I'm used to pure Android, and when I received an email, I was able to dismiss the notification from the lockscreen (without changing the "unread" status of the mail).

On MIUI, I didn't found this option...is that possible in any way ?

Thanks
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] Termynat0r:
Well I did some research and found out that they REALLY STRIPPED THIS from aosp.

No I am not kidding. Appearently it is only possible to expand them in the notification shade (after unlocking) USING TWO FINGERS.

WTF Xiaomi?!

EDIT: I found this, but couldn't test it yet because I don't have xposed installed currently:

http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.mohammadag.alwaysexpandablenotifications

EDIT2: Or maybe this will work:

http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.labtech.mod
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] kazprotos:
Yep ridiculous 2 fingers to expand a notification. Impossible with one hand very well thought out Xiaomi!
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] hs911:
try this: http://xdaforums.com/xposed/modules/miui-tweaks-xposed-t3329815
[Xiaomi Mi 5 Questions & Answers] kazprotos:
Thanks! Installed Solarzarez Xposed and then that MIUI Tweaks and now everything is much better :)
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samteeee:
Greetings from Canada;

I'm about to buy a Galaxy Note 5 and wondering if as far as

development, does it make a difference which region/version

I get. Thank you for your thoughts.