yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ndaoud360:
Wow sent mine Friday and already in WA. USPS is quite fast. BUT wont be received till Monday. Sold my M8 and using my old DNA which is terrible. Don't know what happened to it but it's way too laggy, random reboots. Can't even flash anything due to unable to mount system/data/cache/anything in Twrp. Can't even RUU back to stock or nothing. These 4-5 days with it are going to be hell. Can't wait for my S-Off ed 10.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Fyi javacards dont work on htc 10, and we wouldnt use stolen intellectual property if they did (javacards are likely illegal in the us, at least to import). We have always used our own proprietary methods.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
Here's hoping [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] will figure out how to get it into a apk,or maybe some other creative solution. I know I'm rooting for him!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
Ziplock Bag.... of course. Why didnt I think of that?

Mine is showing up on Monday. Anyone getting theirs earlier, have you run into anything unexpected that others should be aware of?

Do OTA's still apply here? I'd imagine that if they did, we need to avoid them or install some kind of OTA blocker to eliminate the risk of an update undoing anything @jcase did. Or imminently install a new ROM to get away from stock.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Nothing unexpected right now only one firmwate is public

We have never seen an OTA impact s-off or unlock from HTC, they have always left it alone (otherwise it would take our their test devices as well).
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] canito10:
I don't think is any ROM available for Verizon...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ryknow27:
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] You are the man! My phone was received by you, rooted and shipped back to me all in about 2 1/2 hours. Thank you!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
Woo hoo! My UPS package is supposed to arrive sometime on Monday (my 33rd birthday). I was worried it would be after your cutoff and I'd have an extra week to wait. Hope your trip is for some fun and not work.

I finally explained to my wife why I temporarily switched back to my old phone and she officially thinks I'm crazy.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Brianp48093:
My girlfriend thinks I'm nuts too for sending a brand new phone to a complete stranger. She's like "I hope your phone gets stolen, it'll serve you right for being a dumba$$ LOL.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
Yeah, I think your gf and my wife would get along. Meanwhile, we'll be off in a corner nerding out on our phones...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] awareunlikeu:
Ah, got ya. Thanks for the clarification J. And thanks again for all you guys do!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Im headed to Qualcomm in San Diego for a security summit. Work and fun.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
I suspect most roms will work fine on it. Might need to flash verizon kernel.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ndaoud360:
I just said there was a factory defect and have to return it for another one. Everyone I know would think I'm crazy and probably force me not to send it if I told them the real reason why.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
my wife was happy to go back to my One Max, she loves the bigger screen or something and says I should of never upgraded yet ( I kinda agree with her, its really a great phone, mint condition and still running great). she not to happy for the shipping costs of this whole mail in thing, I paid extra 2day shipping both ways, was way more than I expected and post office wouldn't let me change do to the lady putting the stamps on the envelope already before stating the price. I should of went to ups, lesson learned. but phone will be back tomorrow or Tuesday and all will be forgotten.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noob766:
And now I'm shipping something to Washington next week when you are going to be an hour away form me.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Schedonnardus:
Wow, mine shows that it's already out for delivery, and it was shipped Saturday. Wasn't expecting it until tues/Wed since it was 3 day shipping.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Mine left the main sorting facility for my area at 330 this morning. Shipped Saturday as well. It's only 80 miles away. My luck it will sit at the local post office all day lol.

Well it's actually going to be here today. I don't get it. I ship Wednesday at noon, he gets it Saturday at 2, then he ships it AFTER the post office is closed but they take it anyway on Saturday and it's here Monday morning with same shipping service [emoji35]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Brianp48093:
Mine just showed up! Woohoo! I must say, it was packaged beautifully. Thank you Jcase!!!

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Before I start messing around with the phone, I have a question for the tech God's. Is there anything I could do that would kill the Bootloader unlock/S-off? Such as an OTA update or factory wipe? I don't want to do anything stupid and have a neutered phone again. Thanks!!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
No, ota or wipe can't touch s-off
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] finger11:
Thinking of buying the HTC 10 soon and sending it in... I'm in downtown SD. Let me know if you need any suggestions of things to do, especially beer related.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Thanks but i am good, i got to SD yearly to Qualcomm
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
What about killing root?

Even though the unlocked and Verizon variants are the same hardware device with only software differences, am I correct in understanding that us Verizon users will need to stick to "Verizon ROM's" from developers? I recall users having to flash the Verizon RUU to get full functionality hinting that there is something special baked in to use advanced Verizon services.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] awareunlikeu:
Flashing the VZW RUU does indeed work, as far as I know as long as you change the CID to match VZW, you can just flash a VZW ready Rom and it will work
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
So.. I'm hearing that any HTC 10 ROM will work with the Verizon version? :D this is great!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Nope
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
To clarify, I got the Verizon variant and sent it to [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] for unlock/s-off/root. I do not need to flash the Verizon RUU because mine came with it. :)

I have seen users gain root and lose it from OTA's in the past on previous devices. I know that the bootloader and s-off are not issues with HTC updates, but is that also the case for Verizon updates? Jcase had made it pretty clear that bootloader unlock and s-off should not be affected from an update. Not sure if thats only HTC updates or Verizon updates as well. I was just planning on not accepting any updates while on the stock ROM.

So to the issue of ROM's. will we be seeing separate ROM's for Verizon and non-Verizon?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
An OTA cannot switch you from S-OFF to S-ON. I believe that information is already posted in this thread.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Schedonnardus:
the suspense is killing me. my mailman is over an hr behind his usual schedule. i want to start tinkering with my phone. :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
So does this mean that there is no mechanism to do this making it impossible, or just not practiced by some?

I guess all of this doent even matter as I just remembered that TWRP is installed as part of the unlock process from the SunShine mail-in service. OTA's cant install without stock recovery. The previous discussions focused on HTC updates and them not affecting bootloader and S-Off. This makes sense as HTC generally supports this. But, Verizon doesn't. I was not clear if that was just an HTC decision, or if it was just simply not possible. Im sure if Verizon could roll in a bootloader locker/S-On into an OTA, they would by default, because Verizon.

My uncertainty in this area comes from a previous experience. I bought an Amazon Fire Tables around the holidays for $35 figuring it could be rooted and played with just like any other android device. There were even tools already available to unlock bootloader and install custom ROMs for the device. When I opened the box, it needed an update. I figured, "sure, why not". Unfortunately, that update prevented the tools to unlock the bootloader by applying security updates/patches. I havent followed up on it in a while, so I'm not sure if there is a workaround yet, but I do remember it was a tough nut to crack with no ETA in sight last i checked.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Schedonnardus:
alright guys and gals, my phone just came in. I must say, anyone that is worried about shipping their phone in (i was in that group), shouldn't worry. This thing was packaged nicely. It was vacuum sealed inside a bag, and then wrapped in bubble wrap. I took pics of my phone before shipping it (screen, IMEI label) and I got the exact same phone back in the exact same condition. I will definitely feel safe sending any future HTC hardware in to the sunshine crew. Thanks!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
Dude, when you get S-OFF, the only way you get S-ON is by doing it yourself. Verizon, Sprint, whatever. Flashing a recovery does not switch you to S-ON. Flashing a ROM does not switch you to S-ON. S-OFF is forever unless you change it yourself. Period.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
got mine back today all unlocked and s-off. I'm very happy. didn't think it would be so fast being a Verizon customer. thanks jcase
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] whenever you figure out some creative solution for s-off at home for those of us who don't have a spare phone, I'll buy you a beer through donations! Great work bringing out the mail in so quick though!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DoctorB0NG:
I'm assuming the Verizon variant will be the same as the US unlocked one. If you change the CID, MID and radio, any other ROM should theoretically work.

Does anyone know if the Verizon variant supports different LTE bands than the US unlocked in hardware or software?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
There is a thread elsewhere in the Verizon 10 forum for how to get the unlocked version working on Verizon. It will *not* work precisely the same as a native Verizon device (no advanced calling features). Otherwise, everything else you say is accurate.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Freedom First:
Well, I finally got mine back in my hot little hands today, and everything was peachy until I booted into bootloader mode, and hit "System Info". Now, the thing doesn't respond to anything (screen is dark, no indicator flash). What did I do?!?

:crying:
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Edit:

I read that all wrong, phew ok. Had me in a panic.

You loaded system info from download mode is all.

You just need to force reboot the phone. Either do "fastboot reboot" from your PC, or hold all 3 buttons.

If you cant get it email me, or PM me. I can also stop by your work/home tomorrow on my way from Sequim if you cant get it. Just need to know if that is required so I can leave for the airport earlier.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Hold vol up and power to reset?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DoctorB0NG:
As long as you use the Verizon RUU and not the stock software for the US unlocked version, it does in fact work the exact same as the Verizon one. I have proper IMS, advanced calling and WiFi calling.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Received mine. Thanks for quick service and excellent packaging jcase.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Thanks
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
fastboot responds in this mode so

fastboot reboot

will kick it back out. ... or volume up and power until it reboots.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
ah i read that wrong, i thought he said it wasnt turning on.

Either way, I can stop by tomorrow and check it out if need be
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Freedom First:
Oh, and one more thing: Did you install TWRP on this, as well?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Yep
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] canito10:
Received mine as well! Thanks jcase for all! ?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Freedom First:
That's what I thought. Thanks!

BTW... I had posted a reply stating that I finally got it to reboot, and somehow my post got eaten. It's working now, and I appreciate your willingness to go out of your way to help out a bonehead, even as you're on your way out of town. You're a tremendous asset to this community! Thank you!! :good:
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
Got my Verizon 10 back last night. Well packed, unlocked, S-off, rooted, TWRP installed. Awesome! Bring on the ROM's! Haha.

Thanks [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
All phones received by the 16th cut off were sent out, I am waiting as long as I can before leaving for Seattle on the 17th, to catch as many slow shippers as possible.

Those looking to ship out when I get back please remember:

Charge phone at least 50%.

No phone box

No cord

No accessories

Pack phone well (ziplock backs help prevent water damage if the package gets wet, and deters dust etc from getting in it!)

Fill out and ship the email form that is sent when scheduled

Thank you!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tylerw1369:
I'm planning on shipping mine the 22nd to you. Thanks again for everything
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] danjull:
Pondering buying one of these phones... Had done it right now if there was a Sunshine option. Bought Sunshine for my m7 and it worked great and jcase was great with support. Still contemplating getting one, shipping it off and get Dirty Unicorns cooking for it.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DoctorB0NG:
Just buy the US unlocked and convert it. Easy peasy.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] keith843:
Is there a temp root available so far? Or we just buy a license, send phone in the only way right now?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
sending it in is the only way now at the moment. I sent mine in and got it back unharmed, only took a couple days. now ill never have to worry about it again. never know future update may prevent unlocking so the sooner the better I thought.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] keith843:
Few days is something I don't really have when this is my only phone
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
How many do you think you have done now?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pjd2011:
To anyone who is unlocked - Have you flashed any of the ROMS available? Any extra steps you've needed to take or have they just simply worked?

Once the AOSP Roms start flowing in I'll be especially curious about this.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I had no issues flashing on mine. The encrypted data partition won't let you do I complete backup of the stock Rom, but other than that, just normal procedure
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
This has probably been answered before, but can you decrypt storage to make it easier? Or does that mess things up?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
As of right now, until we figure out why, no. You will loose the radio (cell signal) if you do.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] awareunlikeu:
Is this why I cannot transfer to and from my SD card? Is everyone having this problem
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
Alrighty, just figured I'd ask :) also... anyone know if CM13 is up for the 10 yet?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
Not officially. Though the development is moving forward. Few weeks it wouldn't surprise me if nightlies start appearing.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
Cool, that's my ROM of choice lately.. though I heard mention of AOKP? I thought that died with KitKat...?

*Edit* never mind I googled it.. lol probably better do my research
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I used root explorer and it worked fine after granting it su
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
not for me, the sdcard2 (ext-sd is not selectable on Root Explorer, it just asks what it can open with. I may have to specify the path manually but haven't tried yet cause I'm not really sure the correct path anyways off hand. i can find the sd card's name in the storage folder but nothing can be copied to it seems, just throws out a error
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
When you have something ready to copy, go to root menu, scroll down to "storage" the SD card should be on top. Mine is labeled 6d43-xxx. I went there and selected copy here. It said I needed to grant so so I clicked OK, granted su and done
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
yes I know where that is it is just unable to copy anything to it even after granting permission
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] awareunlikeu:
This is my issue as well. I can't even use my SD card for pictures.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Hmm..... Wonder why. Mine is working fine. Can use Sd for camera as well. Maybe it won't work on the stock rom for some reason
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ffuser1:
i think some of these permission issues are due to marshmallow not allowing apps to write to the root of an SD, if i understand things properly. lots of forums mention it. i can't seem to find one with a solution
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ndaoud360:
Got my 10 back. And working fine. Thanks Jcase.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
Came here to post the same thing!! I did have to flag down a postal worker after hours behind the post office, though, to hunt down my package. For some reason, they didn't leave it in my condo complex's dropboxes. But all is good and I'm crazy happy. Thanks jcase!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sodequis:
Hey Jcase, are there any other devs affiliated with sunshine that might be willing to offer the same service but maybe give more options for those that are looking for a solution that doesn't require going without our phone for as long?

Perhaps an east coast option...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I think beaups is central states somewhere. I think they are the only two. I could be wrong
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
You can send to me in Ohio.

--beaups
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sodequis:
Actually I might be coming through Ohio(Heading from Tennessee to Michigan) soon and that actually might be quite convenient for me.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] misterk267:
Thinking about sending mine off soon, no root is such a bummer...anyways, what do you guys recommend using for initial shipping? It looks like purchasing the service from sunshine's website pays for the return shipping only, correct? I've never done anything like this before haha
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
I'm just west of Columbus. Assuming you are traveling up I75 it will take you about an hour out of your way.

--beaups
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sodequis:
That actually is my preferred route. I'm either heading up there this coming memorial day weekend(Driving Friday at start of weekend) or not till the 4th of july. Still need to nail down which.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Son has graduation next Saturday and I am leaving for Asia on Sunday, so memorial weekend definitely won't work.

--beaups
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sodequis:
Is that this weekend you are talking about? or saturday and sunday of memorial day weekend? The day I was looking at was Friday 5/27.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Next (memorial day) weekend.

Friday could work.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sodequis:
Awesome man.. It would be in the afternoon sometime, but I could be pretty flexible with the time I actually hit the road. I have to confirm the time off from work and make sure there isn't a conflict there, but I will definitely get back with you. Awesome, thank you so much.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Jcase recommends phone only no accessories (no box, sim, SD, charger, etc). Phone in zip lock bag, wrapped in bubble wrap. Fits nicely in a small flat rate box or envelope. You pay shipping to him, the shipping fee from him is to ship back to you only.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] I'm just curious.. is this method system-less, or does it modify system? If you prefer not to say of course I understand :) wasn't sure since Nexus devices seem to require system-less root with marshmallow
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Root is the last step and is done by flashing supersu 2.7x in twrp. I assume it doesnt touch system?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
Hot da*n quick reply! I was just curious since Android pay doesn't work with a system modded root (might not work anyway). Thanks!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pjd2011:
[MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] I'm just down in Cincinnati. Could we plan a time maybe some Saturday to meet at a Starbucks or something? That'd be awesome!

Cheers!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
https://twitter.com/TheRootNinja/status/732751277478699008

We can hope!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Nope.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
Well there goes my hopes and dreams.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
I've had my phone back for 24 hours. Spent most of the day on stock and decided to try LeeDroid after work. Works like a champ! Thanks to all of the devs who have jumped on this phone so early!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] canito10:
How fo you flash it? Please tell me....
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
What version did you flash? I'm on an older one I'm sure.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btonetbone:
I sent my phone in to jcase, updated to the latest TWRP, backed up my System Image and Boot, wiped, flashed the ROM. Pretty straightforward and it works!

I flashed r42 and he released r43 as I was setting everything up, so I did a dirty flash. Now I'm getting those silly "Android is upgrading..." popups every boot, so I'll probably find time to do another clean flash this weekend.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] canito10:
Thank you very much! I'll try it after work! ??
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ufkal:
I'm going to wait for jcase to get back and then send him my phone. I think I'm ready to take the plunge. And I have a spare. So hopefully my bride won't notice I'm doing something to my phone... LOL
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] misterk267:
Sending mine off today. Heh, hope no one questions why I'm using my old phone for a few days. This kind of stuff is so hard to explain to people who don't root [emoji14]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hbar98:
Seriously considering getting this phone now that it can be rooted. That's one reason I got my Moto X Pure...