yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
If you want your dirty laundry aired and not the pack of lies about "poor me voicing my opinion" I will be happy to post all your transgressions publicly with your permission. You are just like everyone else that received a short ban, then continued to break rules...it is always the evil moderators. And to add to your character, you just lied about the other account in the PM you sent me and now here you admit to it...so why should anyone believe anything you say? Not trying to argue, but it gets tiresome seeing people post these "Poor me" posts and the "evil moderators" stuff. You don't think it hurts us to see that? We are volunteers just trying to give back to the forums we love so much. We try to keep the drama down because drama is NOT development. But people like to assume things..and usually they are wrong.

As for the rest of the ridiculous comments in this thread...why...why on a development website would ANY moderator chase away a developer? Why...why would the owners allow that? Think about it! We do everything we can to help and work things out with developers...maybe you heard of something we have here...called Private Messaging!!!! Not to mention we have a very lenient system of dealing with rule breaking....people and especially developers get a whole lot of chances before even their first very short ban...then there are several of those before they work themselves into a permanent ban.

The problem is when these developers start demanding that moderators break the rules, or copyright, or licensing agreements just for them. Then they go berserk when moderators don't bend over backwards against licensing just for them, the oh so mighty developers! And somehow you want to blame moderators for their actions, ego and demands. Formats of this site are constantly changing for developers...they get free hosting on DevDB, can set their thread preferences on DevDB. Special Q&A threads were set up for developers so they can concentrate on development in their threads. Developer ONLY forums were created for them to work. I can list dozens of more things done just for developers but none of that matters obviously...only that your developer decided to leave over GPL. No, instead you think out of the 30,000 developers on this site, that the 50 moderators banded together to run off one guy....ludicrous!
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rx8Driver:
I don't have any dirty laundry to hide...feel free to Pat anything you got with my name on it, but don't fabricate stuff, and sure you've my permission. And I'm NOT just like everyone else, another short sighted statement since you don't even know me. Also, pm is pm, but the OP asked for the moderators side of the story with all this, yet that wasn't addressed nor was anything other than my acting like a 2yr old....again an unwarranted insult, and another PM attempt to draw me into an argument. Air whatever you like, but know i can and will do the same.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
Hi, feel free. Thanks for openly admitting you violated forum rules after the long post stating you were banned for 2 weeks for voicing your opinion. But at least you admitted it finally. I guess your statement that PM is PM, somehow means it is ok to lie to moderators then post how you got wronged..whatever.

As for everyone else in this thread concerned about reality and development...moderators want nothing but more development. We do not run off developers. And as stated we actually invest a lot of our volunteer time in PMs trying to work things out with developers. I have lots of developers that I talked out of leaving and they come to me with their issues...sometimes we can help them...sometimes we can't. In UITA's case. we couldn't because GPL rules over XDA rules. All kernel developers should know this when pulling code from any git. I have had many good conversations with UITA and he came to me often with issues. This time he came to me and asked about the ruling for kernels. I explained it to him and not even sure if he ever read it because he exploded at about the same time. I hope he takes this time to refresh and recharge and considers coming back after his "vacation." But that is up to him. I am here to work with him when he is ready to let him know the boundaries...the same boundaries that every one of the hundreds of kernel developers on XDA deal with.

The best thing to do might be to encourage UITA in PM to relax and work within the system and do what he does best. I can help him to ensure his credits are properly preserved in his commits and in threads. All he has to do is ask.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rx8Driver:
I will also add, YES i did in fact create an extra account. Plainly and openly...and it's here nor there because the root of the issue wasn't accounts...it was my opinion...creating an account to circumvent a ban is petty...at least when the ban is originally due to a difference of opinion and instead of working thru it whoever actually banned me decided to do that...

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If there's some other dirty laundry i got around here other than testing for devs and working on synapse profiles, and feedback on roms, and helping noobs find their way I'd love to see it...

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And whoa whoa whoa...i never denied making that account. It's DroidPro35....i NEVER denied that, pm or not.

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Lastly, and I'm finished with it is i have every pm between myself and bajanman and between myself and JJD...I'll gladly post them all, i was angrier two weeks ago, but there's nothing in any of them leading up to my ban that wasn't plain and simple language describing what's been transgressing here...and say what you will about uita, yeah he's got a reputation for being harsh, but over the past few months he'd come a long way from when he and i first "met"...I'd say, for him, publicly at least he'd been on his best behavior and even gentle on the noobs and all...

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Did you mean here? Cuz i said DID....like not DIDNT...so like i did...and who cares if i admit it? The ban for that is already over...time served and all that...
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
No, it was in PM. My main point was that in your original post you stated you got banned 2 weeks for a difference of opinion and that is not true. You got a short ban...more of a timeout for everyone to cool down. We can discuss the reasons for the first short ban in private if you like. And if you read my post, I stated that I have worked with UITA many times and that he came to me asking for clarity but didn't wait for an answer. I am not sure if more PMs were happening at the time with other staff members, but things got out of hand somewhere.

As for checks and balances, we have a Moderator Committee of 11 members that look over complaints against moderators. If the case is valid then it is moved to the entire staff of Senior Moderators to comment on and decide if a moderator acted inappropriately. Next time you have a complaint perhaps send it to the Moderator Committee rather than cursing out moderators in PM. Polite discussion without profanity will always be viewed in the proper light.

Thanks for understanding. Now we have put on quite the show for everyone. Let's give it a rest. Thanks.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaReDeViL:
Well well well, I was silently following this thread but now I decided to drop by and say : too much talking for nothing important !!! What a waste of time and effort ... Smart people "do" while others only "talk" [emoji6]

Rules are clear and do exist to allow us all to cohabit in good terms. Problems come when people tend to live in the rules' extents or enforce them for some illusive gains.

I do appreciate mods work even if I had some bad episodes with some of them which made me super angry BUT with some reflexion I realised I was angry because I wasn't able to admit I was wrong somehow and that an authority kicked my [MENTION=237736]SS[/MENTION] to make me see my mistake. Did I lose something from my self ? God no, it made me better !

So let's grow up and instead of trying to prove that "the other people" ARE NOT better than us, let's prove WE ARE better than "the other people" to push them to be even better and better ... that's how we can step forward !!!

A bon entendeur, salut ! ?
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rx8Driver:
Ha! Quite the show!

On those points you are correct. I was actually unaware of the moderation committee and how that worked. It's good to know there IS a checks and balances system at least. Should the future hold any further "disagreements" I'll employ that, and as for my original ban I'll be happy to discuss by pm; I'm not worried about seeing anyone reprimanded or anything, but I WILL take you up on the offer and maybe we can help ensure that future members have a more productive experience.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
Thanks my friend! Glad we can work this out.

And even though I am the current MC lead, complaints about me are given the same scrutiny as that of a forum moderator... Probably more so! Been a while since I had one against me... Must be doing something wrong :eek::silly:
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rx8Driver:
I'm forced to whole heartedly agree with you. We should be and do better. Myself included. I could be spending more time on my own projects and bettering my own skills, rather than bickering. And KennyG will attest that there was WAY more wasteful banter by pm! Lol but i shouldn't really call it wasteful because we DID reach an understanding, and likely a better, deeper understanding than had we no conflict at all, so maybe there's more of a silver lining...i just want to see the community thrive, and anything I've posted has come from that desire.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
Sounds about right my friend.

To fill everyone in, Rx8driver and myself talked about a lot in PM. It was a typical superhero meet... First we fight, then we team up. Turns out we are all just passionate about what we do, about justice and development. It is further evidence that much of moderation is done out of sight and in PMs.

Back on topic, development. Development is not what it was in the Epic or S2 days. Then there was so many challenges. Now phones are fairly awesome out of the box. What drives development? With Xposed modules and root you can do so much yourself. And with so many phone options now, developers have spread out far and thin. Add locked bootloader in the mix and you rule out AT&T developers and Verizon developers. They had to go to devices like a Nexus. So there are lots of reasons development is not what it was... Without even mentioning the entitled users "I can haz update NAO!" or the gazillion repeat questions. So what we need is the next generation of developers. It could be one of you. Take the lack of development as an opportunity to learn how to build some ROMs... Be the next developer!
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DAGr8:
Not sure what the state is about kanging now a days at xda but many developers have always been annoyed by 'cooks' who market/package and update their roms better. At the end of the day their is simply not so much stuff to improve on overpowered and over featured phones like the note5. Hey I get it flashing is an addiction ...

Use to be about sharing and porting mods from one device to another. Now I see more and more of them threads with warnings about not using their content. This is an open source community and if you really smart enough to develop new things Google makes it pretty easy for you to market it .... just my 2 cents.

one last: thing the mods do this for free and none of them wish to see guys leave. I've had only good experience with them. And kanging is a way of life :)

FYI I'm still stock not even rooted ive seen nothing worth modding or flashing in a long time...

I just love my n5

Edit: I just realized I'm just repeating what's been said already lol.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _MetalHead_:
Personally I don't think the mods are to blame for anything. It's counterintuitive to think that they would be running the very people off XDA that attract people here in the first place. Entitlement seems to be the running issue on XDA. Entitled, egotistical devs, and entitled, whiny posters. That's XDA in a nutshell.

One man's opinion.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rx8Driver:
That's all basically true. I don't think the mods band together in some grand conspiracy. I just think many times its less to do with what you're saying and more to do with how you're saying it, applied across many many different aspects of all these little individual issues that come up when a dev feels his work was encroached on, the mods are often drug into it whether they'd want to be or not...in about 4 or 5 years here I'd NEVER even had any kind of words with a mod that were ANYTHING of consequence...i just think there are certain stressors these days and everyone handles these things differently. Also, I'm a 35 year old man, i think there's certain levels of maturity and such that come with age...but mods, like cops, get a certain amount of heat but you have to expect it and not take it personal it comes with the territory of having to do the job, and i respect how laborious and thankless it is, i know I'd get crabby dealing with the tons of crap you're expected to clean up to maintain intelligible threads, and in their cases too it's the acts of the few that give people a bad taste in their mouth...we all want the best, that's natural...i, personally, feel my own opinions have been somewhat less justified since i haven't shared any work, so I'm in the early stages of getting everything prepared to open a git of my own and share my little mods and things that I've picked up over the years...all my stuff is I'm sure rudimentary to most of these guys but idc if you use it or not, you don't have to click thanks or donate anything, if you remember my name great and if not, whatever- my knowledge and anything i put together is free knowledge to anyone who can utilize it better than me! I don't want or expect anything for it, just share with me if i don't know something and ask...

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That's MY future of development on xda :)
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FdeKlerk:
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Good Devs left due to other Devs kanging there work.

And the sad part is that the work that have been kanged is being posted back to the original Devs forum making him look bad, and the moderator wont be any wiser to take a second look. like ALL of you say, "RULES ARE RULES".

Banning a Dev because someone shared kanged work or even hax, paid for apps and so on does not make the dev the bad guy, it makes the idiot that shared it the issue. But never the less the forum gets closed and devs leave or get banned due to it.

So story short. I don't care who says what about what i just posted. Note 5 community is going on (stronger than before) more support more awesome roms/mods, very nice people, devs that communicate with users helping them.

The only difference - we dont use xda any more. We use the note 5 family or community.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
I would actually say "cowardly". The people we deal with mate. Who on earth "moderates" these people?

I never personally contributed to XDA for "fame". Where the heck was that fabricated? I do things because I can and choose to. Mind you at great personal and financial cost ! I don't recall having ever taken anything that was not already officially shared, published or without permission. I can recall plenty of others though that STEAL due to their lack of creativity & originality,. . . . some of which are also recognized "devs".

"Lining pockets" - - in Disney Land? Donations would never even come close to paying for my extra power bill, let alone anything else involved. Wake the *** up !!

I just finished another ban for something I DID NOT DO - - yet another fabrication. A server date-time-stamp would prove it . . . But unfortunately there are none with the intestinal fortitude to stand up and do what's right.

You can make a guess who was that acting "moderator" was . . . . .? :rolleyes:

I suppose spending quite a few years contributing to this site and developing / building various mods, tweaks, kernels and ROM's, MOST of which are FOR DEVICES I DO NOT OWN !! Most were as a favor / request. Mind you, this must be "selfish" (quoting an un-named "mod") and I mustn't "truly don't care about the community" :rolleyes:

Edit: and guess who's posted idea / suggestion to remove my threads from XDA? Actually it was yet another "mod" . . . If that post has been deleted or edited, well I have a screen-shot of it !!

And NO -- It's NOT A PRIVATE SITE. It is a PRIVATELY OWNED - PUBLIC SITE !!
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
First off it IS a private site in the fact that you have to sign up for membership, agree to follow the rules, and be a member to post. The choice to have threads publicly viewable is to allow non-members to read, share information, learn, and download without being a member. XDA could easily have made it all private for members only.

2nd...who moderates the moderators? If you read back you would see it is the Moderator Committee. You even sent the MC a question. You didn't like the answer, broke some conduct rules and got a "vacation". But this was only after YOU pulled all your work off XDA.

If you have a legitimate breach of Moderator Code of Conduct to complain about, then send it to the MC and not cry in the threads. Then you need to be patient while the Committee and Senior staff investigate the complaint instead of running off just hours later blasting the moderator volunteers. It takes days due to time zones for enough senior staff to offer opinions and discuss a complaint. So best not to blame the moderation team for your behavior.

My PM box is always open and the MC inbox is also available. Thank you for your cooperation and past contributions.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
Nope. It's PUBLIC (ref 6a) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/public

I never "blasted anyone", I just replied to lies and misconception that had been posted by one of your peers. One that YOU thanked. There is no impartiality where the "Moderators" moderate themselves . . . lol . . Why not Admin or someone impartial?

As I had absolutely NOTHING to do with "RE-ADD" ANYTHING, I actually did submit a "ban appeal", but obviously was flushed down the toilet with all other common sense, fairness and logic... Now, that was over a month ago (not days). Same goes for the first "ban appeal"..... not one reply.

This is how XDA works folks == make a formal complaint == victimised !!

-	Sent from my SkyHigh Kernel powered SM-N920C
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orangekid:
Of course someone who does not agree with their ban is going to claim they were victimized and wronged ant there is some conspiracy and mods just look out for each other etc, it's pretty common and the same complaint we get from some users.

The ban appeals are handled by an Admin who has nothing to do with day to day moderating and rarely even knows what any ban is about before the appeal.

Now I see you here crying about unfair treatment, and you are just the paragon of perfect behavior and all of us evil mods have nothing better to do than plot against you because we're malevolent souls intent on crushing such a sterling example of honor. I know when I get up in the morning I call up KennyG and the other moderators and say "how can we create the most upset today in the forums, and drive away users from our site and feel powerful?" I am sorry that you somehow made our secret doom list of doom.

Now you can put away your dictionary and stop with the semantics. You have earned everything that has befallen you, and if anything you've been given more chances than most. You pull your own work and then go around creating drama. No one here is lying about you, there is no misconception. I know for a fact and I can unequivocally guarantee that no moderator handling this has any vendetta against you, and could not care less about anything other than squashing the drama and moving on.

Let me fill you in on moderation at XDA. We don't like public drama, we don't put up with flame wars. We love development and want to see more of it. We encourage devs to post original work and work together to come up with good code. We don't allow kang, period. We take our volunteer jobs here seriously and work to fairly work with anyone who has any issues. We don't like issuing bans but we do when we have to. We could not care less about G+ rants or about favoritism.

There is no preferential treatment, that is a fabricated scarecrow, period. There is no hiding of any truth, and we all know that very well. Any developer who has dealt with me knows what I am about and knows how fairly I treat people, this is not a point of argument.

But this forum is in MY team section, and I am not going to allow anyone to derail a thread and area this much in my section. You've had your fun, but now it's done.

And if you PM one of us with a real concern instead of these fake public outrages, you get a very good response. This conversation is done, KennyG said it well enough. PM one of us if you have an actual issue, period. No more of this drama in this or any other "public" thread (since you seem to love that concept about our site).

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LiL_Assassin:
Sorry man, There's no ants here.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orangekid:
Not anymore :p

fixed, thanks for the heads up my good sir.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
Seems if you are talking about posting or contributing this states it is private

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/private+Web+site

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
[Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UpInTheAir:
It appears so mate. [emoji106]

Retired Un-recognised Developer of my private SkyHigh Kernel v4.5.x powered SM-N920C
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] smithi:
i hope anyone can help me. my problem is that i can flash all of the roms but when the wm5/6 is starting i have no usw.

i have testing it on 3 pc´s,all the same problem.

i can start bootloader an i can flash, so i think usb is ok, but why not when phone is starting.

many thanks for help.

edit: when i flash a new rom, i dont see the current version at the flashprogram, so i hope it helps.

edit2: when i go to bootloader by holding camera button i dont have usb, when i hold the comm button i have usb and i can flash.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
Sorry, I don't understand you. Have you solved your problem?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] smithi:
so i have flash a few of roms into my phone, and now i works.

a nd i found it, it was my usb cable, why it works in bootloader and not when os ist starting i dont know.

sry for the thread, and thanks....
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] rondol1:
No problem, glad you found your way!