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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I noticed that which is partly why I decided to redo the tests. I used a 18W QC 2.0 and an 18W QC 3.0 charger for the new test. Both of them are made by Tronsmart if that matters, and I can post pictures of them with their ratings if anyone wants to see them. I had some issues with the original battery app someone suggested, so I decided to use Battery Monitor Pro (I've used it for a long time on and off) for the QC 2.0 test. I might do the 3.0 one again just for the temperatures because the other app didn't record them (i.e. the issue I mentioned)

I'm not sure why the QC 2.0 (18W) won't go above ~14W while the QC 3.0 (18W) will peak above ~17W in the new test. I checked the rate with 2 separate multimeters, so I believe it is accurate. I also don't know why the QC 2.0 charges faster at a lower power output (14W vs 17W) unless the phone will draw more current that it can take, but that still doesn't make sense.

One of my multimeters (the main one I use) will show 12V charging, while the other one isn't rated for it. I haven't seen phones pull 12V, but I have seen external batteries charge at that rate. I think there are some weird things going on here with the charging that I can't quite pin down. All of my tests are surprisingly consistent with one another aside from the last 1% of the battery.

I'll post the results later tonight once this test finishes, then I will see when I have some time to do the QC 3.0 test to get temperature values. I think the QC 2.0 ones will give us a good idea as to whether or not it's getting too hot, or staying within a good range.

I wanted to point out that my S7 Edge (QC 2.0 as well) charges the same way as the 10 by holding onto the ~9V range until the end. They will just drop the current until the power drops while staying at 9V which I suppose is a good way to reduce heat. I think my old Zenfone 2 was the only phone I recall actually charging at 18W for the majority of the time. That phone charged faster than anything else I've used; it's too bad that I sold it last summer when I accumulated too many devices and needed to clean off my desk.

If anyone has specific questions feel free to let me know, and I will do my best to answer/address them.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
OP Updated:

-New tests added

-More details coming tomorrow/in the next few days!

I will clean up the OP when I post the next update by removing the old data, consolidating new data, and streamlining the comparison
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Really interesting. Thank you for taking the time to test this. I was really hoping QC 3.0 would be a dramatic increase like past revisions, but at least with the HTC 10, that certainly is not the case.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I was hoping the same as well; it only seems to change voltages (to reduce hest), but the speeds are nearly identical
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sai0899:
I have same question with lagittaja,

What A-C cable did you use? The stock one?

If I recall correctly, I read somewhere saying the A-C cable does play some role on the QC3 charging and would prefer charging with the oem over the after market cables.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
It only plays a role in regard to at what voltage the phone (and charger) decide to transfer power over the cable.

Since that's the point of Quick Charge, if you have a long cable with thin power wires it's gonna increase the voltage.

Lower the current, the less power loss there will be. Even though copper is good in conducting electricity, it's still going to have certain amount of resistance.

If you increase the voltage V but keep the power P constant, current goes down.

P = V x I

If Pilz's measurements are done at the charger end of the cable and he is using the stock cable that came with the 10, it's going to mean the included cable is quite decent in regards to how thick the wires are.

Judging by the feel of the cable, I'm going to guess 26AWG, not any thinner surely. Might just be a thick cable jacket or not-so-bendy-cable-jacket but I'm not sure. I would have to gut the cable to be 100% sure, don't wanna do that just yet :D

I don't wish to hijack your thread [MENTION=5581268]Pilz[/MENTION] but I did log my battery charging last night using Battery Monitor Widget Pro so I felt like sharing.

I had it set to log with 60 sec interval. Looking at the data, in hindsight, I think I should have logged with 10 sec interval instead. Quite ridiculous temp and amperage swings in there, it missed some of the action happening there..

I was using the stock Rapid Charger 3.0 with a PortaPow 20AWG USB A-C cable.

It is 1meter long and as a 20AWG cable the charger should be able to pump that 5V 2.5A across it at less than 3½% Vdrop or 9V1.7A at ~1.2% loss. This of course does not include any possible connector losses etcetera.

Of course take those current numbers with a small grain of salt as this is just software app logging and not proper hardware multimeter logging at the charger side of things. But it looks interesting never the less.

I'll log the charging again tonight, this time logging at 10 sec interval, might do 5 sec but that might be a tad overkill. Will end up with finer grained data. All the data!

Edit: Shoot, almost forgot. Here's the raw log dump from BMW if someone wants to play around with it, note that it's in newest first order.

Edit2: Trimmed some excess lines from it when the phone is just idling, useless data.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
The stock cable was what I used for all of the tests. I have a very short 4-6in one that came with my Nexus 6P I could try too out of curiosity. I have a ton of cables in various gauges,lengths and quality so I'll check the short out to see what it does at some point.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
If I might be so rude and post this here....

I think someone asked How long it takes to fully charge the Device until it stops.

150 Minutes
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
That is really weird, I don't have anything fancy to record the data with or check besides using an app or multimeter (they only display to the hundredth of a mV) which could explain why mine showed it as being charged when it was not. What app did you use to record the data before exporting it to excel?

It looks great, and I appreciate the time you took to add the charts/test
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Seems like my Battery Monitor Widget Pro data agrees with your data [MENTION=3056043]Haldi4803[/MENTION].

7% > "100%" = 90.2 minutes

But "100%" > 100% 0mA = 51.1 minutes

So that's 141,3 minutes or 1hr 30 minutes and 12 seconds.

I personally do not have a problem with this. Makes much more sense to show 100% when the 10 does than to display 98-99% for god knows how long and get complaints and pointless noise about taking long to charge. News flash everyone, if you're charging a battery using the proper CC/CV curve then it's gonna take "forever" for the current to drop to 0...

That 50 minutes of trickle charging is pretty pointless capacity wise and only hurts the battery in the long run since, you know, if you really wish to prolong the life of the battery you shouldn't even be charging past that about 90% mark.

And since we're charging our phones, at least I am, with it turned on the phone itself is going to consume a certain amount of power itself constantly eg. the 51.1 minute period is longer than it should as the charger is constantly topping it off.

P.S. I mentioned I would re do my test but log at 10 second interval instead of 60 seconds?

Guess who forgot? Thanks for bumping this thread, I'll do it now.

At the moment doing a battery rundown and seeing how long I can watch movies/TV by streaming 1080p ~20Mbps stuff with Plex on WiFi from my PC.

I'll charge the battery again from below 10% and log it at 10 sec interval. All the data!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
The BatteryLog app provides battery%, Voltage and Temperature.

Usb Voltmeter "YZX Power Monitor" with a Bluetooth Module sends Voltage and Current every second to the phone via Bluetooth Terminal App and saves it as .csv file.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Do you have a link to the BT module you have?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-M...rks-with-YZXstudio-USB-Monitors-/201414967094

Here's rest of the YZXstudio products among other things.

http://stores.ebay.com/99centhobbies/Other-Meters-/_i.html?_fsub=4211733014

How you use it? At least on this model it's like so

http://i.imgur.com/h92QOE8.jpg

http://www.mjlorton.com/forum/index.php?topic=758.0

And the Taobao page with some instructions as well, in Chinese though

https://world.taobao.com/item/526297088674.htm?fromSite=main
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Thanks, I'm going to pick up a full meter most likely since I don't want to solder a board onto mine plus those are likely much more accurate.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Thanks, I'm going to pick up a full meter most likely since I don't want to solder a board onto mine plus those are likely much more accurate.

Edit: I ordered one and I'll update the OP when it arrives.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] robstunner:
My tronsmart type c 3.0 did not charge rapidly. My USB type A 3.0 charger with a choetech a to c charges quickly and says " charging rapidly" or whatever that prompt is.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] PaoloMix09:
Someone should try this out... it says it has qualcomm qc 3.0 and its only type C.

http://www.amazon.com/PowerIQ-Anker...01CJ90J6O/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
That'd be some crap if QC only works on A to C cables. I have a Tronosmart QC 3.0 car charger too - I assumed it worked right but never checked. I can test it out myself later today.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] waylo:
Very nice thread here. Thanks OP.

A few of us have been doing similar testing over on the LG G5.

My thread:

http://xdaforums.com/lg-g5/how-to/g5-charging-data-using-qc2-0-t3358220

And the QC3 data post:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=66646418&postcount=7

For the LG G5, we found that QC2 and QC3 give EXACTLY the same charging times. Maybe it's the QC3 implementation in the phone (apparently manufacturers can decide how much/settings to implement it), but we never get this purported 80% charge in 35 minutes. This is with several chargers, using USB-A to USB-C cords, both the OEM LG one and 3rd party Benson approved ones. Using a USB-A to micro-USB cord with USB-C adapter gives the same results too.

I don't have automatic voltage logging, but I do have a USB volt/ammeter.

I found that at the highest wattage times, early/mid charging cycle, it would basically max out at 18W (that's the max of the charger as well as the QC3 settings).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChronoReverse:
[MENTION=2562936]waylo[/MENTION]

Did anyone test with the Nexus 6P charger and compare the rates?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] waylo:
Nope, none of us have one to test with. Though news just broke the G5 can also do USB-C spec charging. At basically the same rates as QC2/3 (2a @ 9v or 3a @ 5v), the charging times would be practically identical, as seen on the excellent charts in this thread in post #1.

http://gtrusted.com/review/lg-g5-su...-to-qualcomm-quick-charge-3-0-over-usb-type-c
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChronoReverse:
That's actually what I wanted to hear. Specifications aside, there's no physical reason a device can't support both QC as well as USB PD. It's literally an arbitrary rule in the USB specifications.

[edit]

Actually, I'm kinda skeptical that this is working properly. I wonder if the Pixel C charger doesn't authenticate properly here as it seems unlikely LG could add USB PD charging (requires hardware support) unless Qualcomm themselves have some sort of hidden support.

[edit2]

Looks like USB-PD authenticates using the VBUS while Quick Charge uses the data pins. USB-PD also needs special cables while Quick Charge does not rely on special signaling in the cables (so none of the 56k resistor crap).

I find it unlikely that Quick Charge has a built in decoder for FSK modulation on the VBUS line that isn't used but somehow is capable of saying it can accept USB-PD. My hunch is still the Pixel C charger doesn't authenticate properly.

[edit3]

The handshake actually is going on with the LG G5. Huh. Good job by LG there then.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] osmosizzz:
So it seems so far, quick charge 3.0 is useless then? I just ordered a 24W quick charge 3.0 charger. Let's see what I get with that one.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChronoReverse:
It's not entirely useless, just not faster than 2.0 which was already fast.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Should've called it QC2.1... lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
While hacking the Xperia Z2 (Japanese Version had QC2 international did not) we found out There are two Limits for quick charge.

1. Kernel Current Limit how much you can Draw.

2. Battery Thermal limit.

As you can see in my Tests the Battery never goes over 43°C

So....... anyone has a fridge on 18°C (colder might be bad for the Battery) put your phone in while charging via QC3.0 and use BatteryLog or Battery Widget app on a 5second interval. And Upload the log here please.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] waylo:
[MENTION=5581268]Pilz[/MENTION] sorry if I missed it somewhere earlier in the thread, but what is your method of measuring voltage delivery? Are you using an external logging voltmeter/ammeter?

I have a DROK USB meter, which is fairly accurate, but no logging.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I'm using a USB inline multimeter; I have one from Tronsmart and another one w company whose name I cannot think off of the top of my head. I use that to give me the readings to record. I ordered a different one that will measure up to 0.1mV and send the data over Bluetooth to my laptop in real-time (hopefully it works as well it should). I'm going to run all of the tests again when it arrives and post the new data
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] waylo:
Kudos to you for having the patience to write down all those #s then! I did that for one run only, every 10 minutes or so, and got quite bored of it quickly. Also the #s can fluctuate quickly, so it was difficult sometimes to choose which exact set of numbers to document. Hopefully your logging setup will take that out of the equation.

I definitely found the android OS amperage numbers to not coincide with the ammeter. Battery Monitor Widget Pro gave me 3As for the first 20 minutes or so but the ammeter really only hit the high 2As for short periods of time.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Franky recommended me this Windows Software.

"I have tested and*

used a software called "RealTerm" and it worked fine."

I think I've downloaded it and installed it. Not sure if I've used it at all. Too long ago.

Another thing you should know. The Module has a little Problem and Inserts a break every now and then. Easy to Filter out but you have to do it.

Oh... and when you Import the .log file in Excel and use the Column to Text function make sure it doesn't delete the 0 at the end of the current number.

Excel loves to do that. Then you end up with stuff like 24567 25567 and 2556 as next value. The graph looks horrible ^^

I've added a .log file for you to play around beforehand if you want to :)

Of course.

Internal Current is with 4.4V while the external Current on the Charger might be between 4.6Vd or 7.7V
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Thanks, I'll play around with it. I'm familiar with how to seperate things (delimit them in excel) if they're formatted like that. There's always the possibility of getting bizarre data points that can be ignored, so I appreciate you letting me know.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
What program are you using for the dongle to receive the data on your PC via BT? (As in do you have a link to it)

Also, any settings you used would be apprecaited
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
http://realterm.sourceforge.net

Haven't used it for a year or more. So no settings sorry.

Always use my phone to do the logging. No need to keep a PC close by. Doesn't seem to drain that much more energy when Bluetooth Terminal app is running.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Thanks, I'm going to try to finish setting it up today. Hopefully it will be fairly easy once I pair the device over bluetooth
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
QuickCharge 3.0 is Throttling on our devices because the battery Temperature is getting too hot!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=67051195
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Hmm interesting, I'll give it a go with my S7 Edge as well because it uses QC 2.0. I set up the power monitoring over bluetooth which seems to be working great! I'm not surprised given how high the current/voltages are so keeping it cold make sense. I'll do a QC 2.0 the at tonight and throw it up there for you to look at. What are you using to record the data?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Bluetooth? This one.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=Qwerty.BluetoothTerminal

But you need to give write Permissions in System App Settings. Or else it won't record the log in storage.

For internal stats this.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.hwangti.batterylog

Doesn't give estimated Charging current like Battery Monitor Widget (pro) but is easy to handle for logging and Export.

[MENTION=3437396]lagittaja[/MENTION] how was that again about too cold Charging is bad for the battery? How much would still be okay? We need to keep it under 40°C all the time.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I'm using a power monitor to send the data to my PC via Bluetooth while my phone charges. Then I exported the data from a .txt file to excel, delimited the data and graphed it.

I have BMW Pro, so I'll use that alongside the power monitor I have to see how they compare. The power monitor won't shoe my phones battery %, but it has enough data to be useful.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Basically anything over 0C is fine.

Freezer no es bueno.

Edit: And that's of course the actual battery temperature itself. Not the ambient.

As close as possible to 25C is the absolute best temperature for a lithium ion battery no matter the situation. Whether you're charging or discharging it.

But is our battery really going to drop much below that if at all if you'd charge it in the fridge? No.. Not really.. We're pumping north of 14W of power in to that thing..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I'm conducting the QC 3.0 test now on my HTC 10 using the BMW Pro app and my usb power monitor. I'll post the results when it finishes and actually reads 0 current. I'll add my S7 Edge as a reference too once this one finished along with a QC 2.0 test.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Just a quick update:

I've finished conduction both the QC 3.0 & 2.0 tests on my HTC 10 along with one for my S7 Edge. I'm working on graphing the data, removing any bad data points, ensuring things recorded properly etc. I combined the data from both my inline power monitor, and the Battery Monitor Widget Pro' temperature curves. There are ~20000 data points for the power monitor because I forgot to change the data recording to 1 second intervals instead of 0.36 second ones; however, it does provide a much better nearly real time picture of exactly what's going on for both methods. It might take me another day or so to get all of the little things fixed, and re-write the OP in accordance to the new data, so hang in there it will be done soon :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
OP finally updated with all new data (significantly more accurate too!), graphs, currently a WIP, but will be done soon!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] waylo:
Looking good, but we really need some legends on what colors are what with each graph.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
WTF is the S7 doing?^^

Also you seem to have a pretty low room Temperatur while Charging. As your HTC10 with stock Charger managed to recover Temperatur by 4.6V and switched back to 7.2V

Mine stays low on 4.6V till it's finished.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I can add legends or rather a master legend since all of the colors for each graph (5 per device) use the same color coding.

I wasn't using the stock HTC charger, only the stock cable. It's currently 80 [Â°F] (same temp when I tested each device) in the room. I left them on my desk to charge for consistency.

The S7 Edge charges at lower overall power (9V/1.67A i.e. 15./3W) vs 18W the HTC10 will hit at certain points). I think the lower power output allows it to oscillate in order to keep a lower temperature as you can see by the red line via the graph.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I conducted a test via the stock HTC charger, and removed some bad data points from all of the figures. I also made a legend as promised. I will do my best to post an update in the next day or two, but things have been a little busier than I planned.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Big update

Changelog:

Legend added for all graphs

New QC3.0 test for the stock charger added

Removed bad data points that caused issues earlier

Video detailing the results (added via youtube)

Full sized pictures added via Google Photos shared albums
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] emmawilliam834:
The purpose of starting this thread today is that the wait for MM is about to end. Starting today Android Marshmallow will be available over the air to the AT&T One M9 and One M8 http://www.smartphonesupdates.com/h...-att-versions-one-m8-one-m9-will-start-today/

If you receive the update please share your experience and also if you have any other information regarding MM update also share with us

Thanks
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] foxbat121:
Downloading right now. 1.3GB size. Quite slow even over wifi.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] Johnny424:
Check Wi-Fi calling
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] foxbat121:
N/M
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] Johnny424:
Nice. Thanks foxbat
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] thenry30:
Update is done downloading. Now just waiting for the phone to reboot a million times. lol
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] foxbat121:
Spook too soon. I don't think that is for Wi-Fi calling.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] Johnny424:
It's all good I didn't think so after looking into it a bit
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] thenry30:
Update ran all the way through. Phone seems a lot smoother now. Dont know if its just a placebo effect though.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] vsuletea:
Can`t update my one m9

Hi. I have HTC One M9 at&t, and I wait two days this update, but didn`t come. What the problem? Is any difference if I`m in Europe

And now at&t software update said check again in 71 hours :)
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] foxbat121:
Sorry to say, with the update comes in size of 1.3GB, I'm pretty sure AT&T put restrictions on it like many other new phones recently. Based on my experience with Samsung Galaxy Alpha updates, such restrictions include:

* must have an active AT&T SIM in the phone.

* must be on AT&T network in US.

But unlike Samsung, you can wait for HTC to post the new ROM RUU files on its US site to update manually.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] buckc21:
Lost Root

It appears that I have lost root and twrp bootloader, and so far I have not been able to reinstall.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] xfoneguy:
i thought i could get the download w/o a SIM card.... NOT! Anyway, as soon as I swapped SIMs from one M9 to the other, it showed a 1.3gb download happenin..... sweet :) BTW - I don't use AT&T directly, though my service (CricketWireless) is an AT&T "reseller". The HTC website shows "AT&T/Cricket" for ROM downloads, so I'm not entirely sure of the relationship between the two. I have 100mb broadband cable that I am using and this thing is just a little over 50% after almost 4 hrs.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] foxbat121:
Cricket wireless is 100% owned by AT&T.
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] dudeluv:
Just curious, what is the build number?
[AT&T HTC One (M9)] megaorange1:
3.38.502.12 CL682052 release-keys