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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] SacredDeviL666:
all those complaint about stutter are you on stock builds???

believe me not even nexus stock is optimal which is why we have XDA for customization and to utilize the hardware to the best.

EDGE 7 was beaten by far on various benchmarks,

if you don't want to root and use what the manufacturer wants you to then don't bother with android should opt for iphone or such phones on which even after you pay for something you need to use what they tell you and how they want you to use!

stutter could happen due to various reasons and no device would be stutter free as there is a limit for every architecture thats were you need to tune your device for your requirement. hopefully the one's who suggest aren't checking the display/demo piece on stores which is been there up and running forever!

HTC 10 does pretty good and anyone who compared a 5x to this device is surprising as 5x is an utter failure against nexus devices. the build of 5x is cheaper than any below average phone.

a manufacturer is ready to give 2years warranty, 6months screen replacement warranty even if you break it by accident and 3months full handset replacement on any defect you think you could compare those against devices which hardly gives a year warranty? does any other manufacturer lets you unlock and still offer warranty?

and the last question how many actually owns a device who posted negative reviews and if they own for how long it is been to post feedback?

but i still the below wasn't there in htc 10...

1) soft keys for navbar

2) device does feel like a nexus 6 even though it is 5.2

3) no layers support

4) encryption sucks

5) power button is hard and needs a very long press for getting power/reboot options

6) slippery without skin or case

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
I had the s7e and returned it after a few days because the edges ruined it. I now have the 10 and I am seeing huge amounts of lag - from the boot up to running most apps, games can be un-playable; the s7e had zero issues here and even my old s5 doesn't lag this bad. Are people seeing this as a dud phone or is this the norm? With identical specs to the s7e, I'd think this wouldn't be the case and if this is the norm, I might have to return it as well. :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hosmsdos:
I don't have lag, performance is good, there are some horrible slow FPS animation on lock screen notification. I get lag and stutter only on chrome due to ads, I have this issue also on nexus 6p and pretty much all android devices. I don't know when google is going to fix this problem!! (Sometimes I wonder why I still buy Android)For anyone who have douts try opening some forums websites.

I compared games on iPhone 6s plus, Nexus 6P and HTC 10.(game battery booster off)

Iphone: 60 FPS in games no stutter.

Nexus: 60 FPS I get some stutter and frames drop.

HTC 30 FPS stutter, not playable.

I know with sometime updates and kernels will hopefully fix games, but it shouldn't be like this from the start.

And I don't know if I am the only one who were really surprised by not seeing 60 FPS Video Cam, i though all phones do that!!

I saw some reviews but no one mentioned it
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] barondebxl:
Dis you have the snapdragon or Exynos S7 edge?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
It was a snapdragon variant.

For what its worth, I just discovered the 10 has a non-compatible polarization with polarized sunglasses.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] barondebxl:
Yeah I saw that video where sometimes either in portrait or landscape you lose total visibility.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] droidiac13:
Ha! I noticed that too. Almost impossible to see the screen.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
At first I thought I had left the auto adjust on and it wasn't bright enough, but with full brightness and polarized sun glasses, something has to change angle or you can't see anything.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] droidiac13:
At least it works in landscape mode. I guess that's better than nothing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
It isn't a deal breaker, but it is kind of annoying.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] droidiac13:
Agreed
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
For references here's the playstore, settings and YouTube on my 6P

I can also post the ones from my S7 Edge if you would like and then HTC10 (arriving Tuesday)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Here are the ones for my S7 Edge too, I never bother me checking the GPU like this,but the more phones there are to compare the better idea we will have of what's good/bad.

The S7 Edge is stock, while the 6P is running a custom ROM.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
beginning to think performance issue is Qualcomm fault and not manufacture fault..

S7 and S7 edge user lose the ability to root but exynos you are able to root the phone.

people are seeing performance issue with qualcomm variant phone also...I should have known better to purchase this phone.

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how much is it to return?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I agree to an extent, the SoC should have more than enough processing ability but it seems to fall short at times
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
That isn't good news! I was hoping after the heat issues of the 810, this would be a winner, but if there are noticeable issues in both phones with the same chip, I may have to skip this gen all together.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I have the S7 Edge and 6P; I can say one thing,the S7 Edge does lag. I don't know why, and I'm not a Samsung hater like people tend to immediately think. I really like my S7 Edge, it just lags a lot and more often than I care for. My Nexus is 10000% smoother and doesn't stutter or hang when I try to do a simple thing like my S7 E will every now and then. Generally it's fast and works well, but when it gets bogged down its a nightmare. Thankfully one of my phones works well all of the time :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] barondebxl:
I don't think it's an SoC issue, G5 performs admirably.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
I was going to try to hold out for the new gen nexus, but the s7/s7e and the 10 looked really good because the expandable memory and really decent specs was finally here. But given the odds, I don't know if the new nexus will have expandable memory.

Don't get me wrong, I like the 10 more than the s7e I had for 3 days, but it does have a few little things that are annoying when combined together.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btort1:
I wish htc would add on screen nav buttons and have the option to turn off the capacitive keys :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
you do know s7edge have expandable storage too...they just dont widely advertise like HTC
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I sincerely doubt any future Nexus phone will have expandable memory. Given how inexpensive my 128gb Nexus 6P was, I don't see any reason not to get a 128gb one if the pricing structure remains the same. I paid less for my Nexus 6P with Nexus Protect than I paid for my S7 Edge or HTC 10.

I like my S7 Edge (particularly the water resistance, and Samsung Pay), although I am inclined to agree with you. When I go pick up my 6P to use it's a world of difference in a good way. My wife cannot stand the S7 Edge because of is hardware buttons, and software (she prefers her Nexus 6P), but overall I still use my S7 E daily alongside my 6P.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
I do know that, the edges just ruined it for me.

Thats the gamble I am going over right now, stay with the 10 or wait and see what the nexus do.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RemnantKing2:
I don't know, for me it makes plenty of sense to introduce the next Nexus with expandable storage, especially when they introduced Adoptable Storage as a new feature of Marshmallow. One reason I also think HTC advertises the expandable storage so much is also because it's able to use the Adoptable Storage, while the S7/S7 Edge both cannot utilize it for whatever reason.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
then get the regular s7?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] km8j:
This phone destroys the s7 in my mind in every way except camera. The 10 is not bad by any stretch though. Hoping the ota will make it better when it reaches the USA
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
The s7/s7e can have adaptable storage:

http://www.modaco.com/news/android/heres-how-to-configure-adoptable-storage-on-your-s7-s7-edge-r1632/

I have been playing with my mom's, but the screen density is just too high, even with the compressed option. I like everything to be small and without root, I just don't think I can live with it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
you can change the grid size to 5x5 by long clicking the homescreen...I mean why are you on XDA if you dont root or flash your phone? otherwise I dunno man, Iphone?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] CrazyCypher:
Are those benchmarks on your phone? What modifications you did? :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RusTachio:
What I meant was the s7 looks to have just north of 0% chance to root and those small changes weren't enough to my liking.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dmorriss86:
My 6P honestly feels faster and more responsive. Especially when using Chrome. Pretty strange. Waiting on the U.S to get the latest update before writing this device off.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] markwebb:
My nexus 6p flies on latest pure nexus ROM and elemental kernel which both are close to stock with minor tweaks.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] PryvateiDz:
The front-facing camere severely sucks. Many may not care, but I do. I love selfies. It's grainy, out-of-focus, colors are washed out and inaccurate.

The speakers, they sound good, but a bit low.

Battery life is definitely not anywhere near 2 days, and I definitely don't get through a full day with normal use.

The capactive back button seems really hard to pretty using one-hand and/or in general. I always have to tap near the bottom of the screen to the bottom left for it to go back.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] crowsnestitsupport:
Any one else unable to get their HTC 10 to work on MetroPCS. Called them and added the IEMI and everything.. That was several hours ago and many reboots later and still no service what so ever... ??? :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mrlakadaddy01:
Ummm which variation??
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] crowsnestitsupport:
Carbon Gray 32GB unlocked USA version.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dmorriss86:
Are you using the Layers or CMTE version?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pelon90005:
Hide your imei
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chord_Hugo87:
thats bull****..buy an exynos version then you have root...I have an s7edge exynos version and I root and flash roms weekly.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ticklemepinks:
So its bad?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Life Engineer:
I don't have the device but I've read this whole thread!

Judging your comments on smoothness, lags and slow fps; and considering how the snapdragon S7/S7e run and LG G5 runs, I think it's definitely HTC's fault and they probably messed up with CPU/GPU governors/schedulers and other similar stuff in order to achieve better battery life!

It's the same effect you get on any usually smooth phone when you run it on Conservative CPU governor...

I think it will be fixed by a simple kernel!

BUT that's not an excuse or even a solution! Regular users don't know about this and don't even care! They will notice unacceptable lag on a flagship device and simply sell it! Not smart HTC not smart!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
Haven't found a thing wrong with it. But I haven't also tested a 6P and a G5 and a S7E, which apparently everyone else here has
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
Governor is interactive by default. I have not experienced this lag that a few are experiencing after a week with the 10. My device rips through every task and flies without a single hiccup.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] giorgoxxi:
Only notice lag when apps are installing or updating in the background. Otherwise it flies compared to my M8.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] markwebb:
Layers though i dont use them. I prefer stock as much as possible with some tweaks.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] istrikerx:
The S7 and S7 Edge ARE completely stutter free and smooth... IF you have the exynos variant.

I have zero trust in qualcomm as it stands. People bash Samsung for their skinning and slow updates of android (me included), but lately in 5.0 and 6.0 they seem to have fixed everything that Google hasn't bothered to.

In particular the scrolling speed adjustments have the biggest impact to perceived smoothness of things like UI elements and motion. It's a blatant copy of Apples scrolling algorithm, but it works beautifully.

I've had a chance to compare both, and the speaker has only a slight edge in the 10 compared to my modified s7 edge (surround mod enables top speaker like the 10 for highs, bottom speaker for mods and deep lows with viper tweaks).

The only thing that impressed me was audio output via the headphone jack, but that was simply down to it being stock. I still prefer the custom DAC on the exynos S7, and the surround mod boosts volume output (and power) considerably. Yeah it might fry the chip one day if I forget to turn the gains down, but meh, it's insured and I upgrade every 12 months.

I preferred the camera on the 10 in most situations, but if you ever need a true point and shoot replacement, can't come close to the s7 and it's super quick focus.

Hopefully they release a htc 10 max with qhd amoled and a bigger battery.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
For any of you who have both the S7/S7E and the 10 I'm curious if anyone can tell me how they compare signal wise. I've seen it mentioned that the M8 seemed really good in terms of cell reception, etc. I've always had Samsung's be the absolute worst when it came to data speeds, cell quality, reception, signal, whatever you want to call it. So I'm curious how the S7/E seems to compare to the 10. As far as I can tell the 10 seems to be as good as my Moto Maxx, but then sometimes it seems to reverse.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] omersak:
Completely stutter free and smooth? I disagree man. I have the Exynos S7 Edge currently on the APD1 fw and It's embarrassingly easy to make the S7 lag (seriously, go to the gallery once you've taken more than 300 pics - open a pic and press the back button to go back to the grid - lag city - swipe to the 'my briefing' home page - lag city, do an edge panel swipe after a few hours - lag city, the mail app with an exchange account etc). Don't get me wrong - it's blindingly quick at opening things but it drops A LOT of frames. The iphone 6s (not plus), nexus 6p and nexus 5 (kit-kat) is the closest I've seen to a lag free experience and the S7E doesn't really come close.

Anyway, I was looking at the HTC 10 in hopes that it'd be less laggy than the S7E - and from what you're and many others here who've compared them together are saying, that's not the case at all, which is hugely disappointing given how favorably the S7 Edge fares in other metrics.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Noticed this in the support docs?

Warning: You'll need to input your backup lock screen pattern, PIN, or password if the scanner doesn't identify your fingerprint after five attempts. You'll only have 10 additional attempts before your data is deleted from the HTC 10.

What kinda crap is that. This could easily happen on accident if a child gets ahold of the phone, or an asshole friend.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tbalden:
...and what if a hacker gets hold of your corporate data filled phone and has endless number of tries to hack encryption?

Maybe there could be some time interval added between the tries, and each time longer (maybe there's, havent tried), so the owner has time before the child or friend had enough time for formatting data,

but i'd take anytime security over child/friend case. So I'm really glad HTC added extra security for my work phone.

That's just me anyway, casual users would still prefer their data hackable over security.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
You can't fake your way through a finger print scanner. And if the phone is encrypted, they're not going to break through it even if they extract the phone's data.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Ahem

Well maybe saying "hack encryption" isn't entirely accurate but anyway, an endless amount of retries is just silly.

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That should be a thing. I don't know if it is with the ten but it should be if it's not..

And now that we're talking about that kind of timeout feature, remember that "bug" with Windows Phone 8.1, where the timeout was 6 months?

One guy apparently had his little brother enter the wrong password on his phone too many times > dropped it > battery fell out > put it back in and booted the phone and the time and date had gone back a few months. Then the phone said that he needed to wait 180 days before you can re-enter the password.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Faking your way through a fingerprint scanner is incredibly easy. To the point that it can done from a high res photo of your hand, like in case of making the fingerprint of Angela Merkel
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] patstock11:
No lag here. Thing is a rocket for me. My past phones were previously an s6, m8 (rooted,s-off,super cid, fast ROM), Nexus 5, Nexus 4, OneX..and the Nexus 9 and Nexus 7 12&13...this feels faster than all of them. *shoulder shrug*.....only thing I will say is the s6 had a better camera IMO, and that's a close call....in fact this is the first device I don't feel the need to root ASAP... Reason being there is very little bloat. BasicLly none besides Facebook Instagram crap
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] djbutter:
Coming from an S6, there's been a very noticeable difference in cell reception for me on the 10. The S6 was quite good at grabbing a signal. Something is up with the 10 though. It is consistently weaker by at least a bar or two, in the exact same areas I used my S6. I'm wondering if it's due to the metal chassis.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] patstock11:
Possibly. But u cNt go by the "bars"... Every OEM uses different values/bars. But u could be right, admittedly I have spent much talk time on the 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] djbutter:
Possibly, but going by data connection, it's definitely weaker. When I'm sitting at my desk at work, data wasn't a problem. With the 10, I don't even get reception.

I guess it forces me to be more productive!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] patstock11:
Well in that case hopefully a radio/update can fix the issue. Anything major I do on wifi so it hasn't been enough to make me regret it
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Okay, I really didn't consider that. But uh, unless they mold your finger or take a high res photo... how would they get past it. Incredibly unrealistic scenario. So is your phone getting hacked. 99.9% of customers need not worry about anything like that.

After so many failed finger attempts, block the scanner for a period of time. After so many failed password attempts, allow one attempt per minute, or something along those lines. Wiping the device is totally unnecessary. And unless it does a true wipe, rewriting the entire phone, the data would still be accessible by someone who was REALLY trying to get it anyway.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
then you shoulnd't let your arshole friend get a hold of your phone, or let your kid play with an expensive device.

just like mentioned fingerprints are not 100% proof, and if someone really wanted your device and data who know.. thus htc measure for this is great.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tbalden:
Ok, i stand corrected, the encryption would still be there and protect the applications internal data in many ways from simple filesystem read/write access, but the user interface would be there to access and do all kinds of nasty things and to access your internal emulated sdcard to copy it, those parts that you could normally copy with HTC sync like photos.

(I'm not expert on how to get even more protected data from encrypted partition, but after that first break through he/she could start installing a few things, even get a custom kernel, and probably access all encrypted data after all. Never thought it through but I'm sure it's doable if encryption pin is exposed.)

Fingerprint retries seems pops up a 30 second retry time after a while, but the pin doesn't. And also can't see warning about erase, but I won't force it over too many time ;D

Maybe it's only being wiped if at the boot you entered to many wrong pins. At least there's a warning there at boot time that you have X tries remaining
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] King p1n:
For me the phone feels to warm quickly when I'm not even doing anything that intensive, which is annoying as it makes my palms go all sweaty.

Battery life seems to dip quickly also, which I'm sure it's not helped by rise in temperature, I've not even out my sim in yet. I dread to think what It'll be like when I do.

The phones a little too wide and tall for me. Using one handed is making my hands hurt due to all this stretching. Wish it had similar dimensions in hight and width to the S7, which is almost perfect for me. I'm coming from a phone that I could easily one hand, and go and back and forth between them makes me appreciate one handed use. Guess my hands are too small, hope I get used to it or I'll have to return it, at this rate I might be banished to iPhone ??

For the all the hype, the speakers aren't that impressive. Better than my last phone definitely but nothing mind blowing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hosmsdos:
Phone size is great for my usage, but phone does gets warm a lot and I am not really doing anything intensive and games performance sucks, so I don't know why it's getting warm like this. Ordered some cases from Amazon, only solution I can think off.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gusoldier:
Yep it does sometime get warm when doing nothing special. I'm patiently waiting for HTC finetune the software and for custom kernels to popup. The HTC 10 has the potential to be the perfect phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Mine gets quite warm as well. I have 2 other phones (S7E and Nexus 6P) neither of which get as warm as my HTC10. I can't tell if it's just great at dissipating best of if there an issue with it because I've only had the phone for a day so far. Only time will tell, but I agree we need some kernels asap :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
device gets really warm, but I'm using the unicorn bettle case so that might add to it but also keeps me from getting "sweaty palms" as another user says happening to him.

my biggest concern is the battery life which seems to be horrible. ive been using the HTC One Max from release of that phone everyday, with a lot of heavy/ moderate usage and still pulling in atleast 50% more time on that after 3-4 years of daily moderate use, sure its a slightly bigger battery but its almost 4x as old now. The charge time is quick on the HTC 10 but the drain is killing me, hopefully software updates/ optimize will fix this but I'm not too optimistic about it. It also is a deal breaker for me and makes me feel like returning the device, I mean what will it be like a year from now, I don't like to switch devices very often so the battery in the thing needs to last especially now they have switched to non removables in everything.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] droidiac13:
What are you getting for battery life?