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[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Landspeeder:
Thank you [MENTION=1331268]santod040[/MENTION] for the prompt reply.

I am not dedicated to sticking with stock software, I am dedicated to retaining root.

What I really would like is what Cyanogen provided:

* Root access

* No bloat

* frequent updates that do not require aps to be re-installed

* updates that work similar to an OTA would be an added bonus

* Retain all/most functionality of the phone

The option to return to stock via RUU to grab the OTA then forcing my way back into the Bootloader via Minimal ADB and Fastboot does not excite me (https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2317790 -> adb reboot bootloader -> fastboot flash recovery {name of twrp.img} → install Superusersu.zip).

Flashing another stock rooted image & the matching firmware would not be as bad… but I see this OTA is a minor security patch… not the hoped for Android 7/ Nougat… and I would rather not need to reinstall all of my apps after each ‘security’ update.

Perhaps my best option would be to wait for LineageOS Nee CyanogenMod to catch up… with the hope that like CyanogenMod, they provide a user friendly update process.

And if LineageOS begins to drag… maybe even another disto like your signature blocks NuSense, Venomrom, or LeeDroid.

...I suppose I am open to suggestions! I have never looked past CM
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
The only ROMs I know that meet these criteria are LineageOS (assuming it survives) and Viper.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Landspeeder:
Thank you! In this case I will give LineageOS a month or so... and if all is silent will give Viper a strong look over!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
The Jan 2017 update (1.85.605.9) Can be unlocked/s-off after following this downgrade guide -

https://xdaforums.com/verizon-htc-10/how-to/jan2017-root-unlock-s-off-verizon-htc-t3531996

[MENTION=5502753]polaric[/MENTION]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] polaric:
Will add to the OP when I'm home, thanks!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
I'll be sending my VZW 10 to htc for repair and will need to go back to s-on first. I'm worried that vzw's nougat will be available by then and htc will return me the phone with that software, therefore rendering the phone unable to s-off. Do you know yet if the downgrade method you just quoted will work with verizon 2.xx O.S?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
It doesnt, 7.0 is coming mid to late feb unless delayted again for verizon
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 1droidmod:
Edit
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
nothing is wrong with my device
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 1droidmod:
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] lol, bad eyes here.. trust me I know who you are and what you do and I am grateful and have thanked you many times purchasrd Sunshine "4" times and defended paying for it verses people *****ing about not being free I made a mistake on post quote.. to be honest do you really think that I would try to give you advice on how to fix your device? LOL... would be the other way around my friend:thumbup::D
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
lol i have to have problems that require askign sometimes
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 1droidmod:
Yes I do remember not too long ago when you releasing a version of sunshine for the HTC 10 something about it getting to reboot by itself (going to sleep) and it would take you another day or so instead you just released it and give us give us instructions just reboot when asked what is totally awesome cuz I'm like a kid in a candy store I could not wait anymore.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
You think it will be up to date when they release it? Jan patches, etc
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
out of date by one month, should be jan patches
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
does the 7.0 update patch s off
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
No, it does block temproot. You would need to unlock with htcdev.com, then use sunshine if you have a 7.0 device.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
is there any root available for it
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Is 7.0 out for vzw 10?

No solution for 7.0 on vzw
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
Would you recommend I get the phone though
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
The 10 is great, I don't think 7.0 is out so root should be possible
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
That's great :) how's the sound quality on it? In the battery life?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
I'm half deaf, can comment on sound

Battery is good
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
How's the reception on it?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
ive had no issue
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
Is I want to get next week. Also I'm switching from the pixel as well. Don't they sell the HTC M10 in store
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
They should, 7.0 should be here any day, s-off before updating
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
What about the sunshine x exploit is there a possibility it could be patched by 7.0
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Long as your s-off before updating, it doesnt matter, it wont undo s-off.

We dont expect to be patched
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
So I use HTC developer website to unlock the bootloader right?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
No just use sunshine temproot to soff/unlock
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] raver445:
OK understood. I am a complete newbie with this stuff
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] fillyfloater:
Sunshine crashes when trying to temproot... verizon 7.0 nougat htc 10
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
https://twitter.com/jcase/status/847465158242742273
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] fillyfloater:
let me get my time machine...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
Perfect and I'll grab my violin, we'll meet back here... [emoji447]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] taco_man:
Just want to give huge props to [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] Junior. Super quick response times and email updates the whole way. Totally worth $33!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Verizon Nougat isnt supported in app, we can only do it via mail in (which we really prefer not to do)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ske714:
Are the new VZW HTC 10's shipping with 7, or do they still come with 6 and then update?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] kevinchristopherson:
Just got mine, hours ago.

Just purchased my HTC 10, it came with 6.0.1 security patch sept 1st. 2016..... Now I have to read all these pages to get caught up to speed, unless someone wants to give me the 30 second version about rooting this device. I've rooted just about all my androids, however, am new to s on, s off, sunshine and ninja rooting, and htc as a whole. any fast track info would sure be appreciated.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
Verizon disables HTC's bootloader unlocking, so on the Verizon 10 the only way to install twrp and get root is to have s-off (security off) on your phone. The only method to do that is through Sunshine, as stated in this thread.

If your software is 1.85.605.8 or below, just download the Sunshine app from their site, pay the fee and run the procedure.

If on 1.85.605.9, see this thread first and then run Sunshine:

https://xdaforums.com/verizon-htc-10/how-to/jan2017-root-unlock-s-off-verizon-htc-t3531996

From there, flash twrp. Instructions are on the twrp website.

Then, you can flash a pre-rooted rom, or get root by flashing Supersu or Magisk. Instructions are in each one's thread on xda.

Whatever you do, don't accept the OTA update to Nougat before doing s-off.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ske714:
I got one from the Verizon store with 6 on it, and got it all set up over the weekend. Many thanks to jcase, and the rest here for making it possible.

Here are a few things I learned along the way. First of all, run Sunshine and get s-off. The prevailing wisdom here seems to be to leave the bootloader locked. That's what I did, and it all went well.

After you have s-off, wait for the OTA updates. My phone got three. The first took it to 1.85.605.9. The second was the update to Nougat. The third was a security update. If you don't wait for the update, you'll have to flash the RUU to unroot before the updates will work. If, like me, you don't wait, the RUU's are here...

https://xdaforums.com/verizon-htc-10/how-to/verizon-official-ruu-1-19-605-9-t3377586

I flashed 1.85.605.9, and all went well.

Once you have the updates, get the latest version of TWRP. Some of the instructions in this thread have outdated links. I went here...

https://twrp.me/devices/htc10.html

Finally, there is an issue with installing superSU, which is described here...

https://xdaforums.com/htc-10/development/root-supersu-2-71-forceencrypt-verity-t3373258

Do not use the files linked at that post, or you will be in a bootloop. They are not comparable with Nougat. Instead, follow these instructions...

https://xdaforums.com/htc-10/how-to/guide-root-optionally-s-off-radio-t3373025

Enjoy!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
If I'm wanting to trade in my phone to upgrade, do I need to RUU to stock and s-on and all that good stuff? I'm just trying to get an idea since I'll be upgrading to the s8+ in the near future. I figure it'll be a few hour process
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dmosley:
So, once I sunshine s-off at .8 do I take all over air updates or just flash the .9 RUU and then flash twrp, flash rooted rom and skip taking all otas (nougat and security update)?

I'm a bit confused where you said take updates, flash ruu if you dont. It seems like you said you both skipped updates and took them then flashed the RUU to take them...

So, is this correct order?

1. S-off 1.85.605.8, leave bootloader locked

2. Manual RUU to 1.85.605.9

3. Take nougat update

4. Take security update

5. Flash twrp (fast boot method)

6. Flash custom rom (likely pre-rooted debloated nougat)

7. Profit

Or, do I skip the nougat and security update after the RUU flashing and just flash twrp and custom rom?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
Edit:delete
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ske714:
Skip step 2. The only time you would need to flash the RUU is if you were already at 1.85.605.9, you would need to flash .8 for sunshine to work. IIRC, .9 came to me OTA before nougat. I believe that you can flash custom roms with the bootloader locked, but I'm not sure. I'm happy with stock.

EDIT: The reason I had to flash RUU was that I rooted my phone before I got the nougat update. The update wouldn't work on a rooted phone, so I had to flash the RUU to un-root. I flashed .9 because it didn't matter. You only need .8 for Sunshine to work, and I was already s-off.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
Personally, I think I would:

1. S-off 1.85.605.8, leave bootloader locked (Sunshine will suggest you do S-OFF + locked)

2. Manual RUU to latest N 2.41.605.18

3. Flash twrp (fast boot method)

4. Flash custom rom (likely pre-rooted debloated nougat)

5. Profit
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] spjetrovic:
This worked for me without issue!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] andybones:
Awesome, glad to hear, my friend.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dmosley:
This worked great. I just took auto updates since i gad time to kill. I stopped at .12 since the .18 firmware from santod does not yet have a .18 rom partner. I froze htcdm to stop the update from occurring.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Atomix96:
Been away from the XDA world on the 10 for sometime now and this is more than likely a very redundant post but I just wanted to make sure. The latest nougat firmware on the Verizon variant 10 (2.41.605.18) is not available to temproot via Sunshine and the only way to gain S-Off and unlock (or locked) status is the mail in service if I'm correct?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
Yep
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Atomix96:
Darn. Thanks for the clarification!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
Apologies, but I have looked everywhere for this. My device (a VZW 10) was "liberated" early on in the mail-in program. I am now running latest stock S-OFF AND Bootloader unlocked (the way [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] returned it to me).

I've been hearing repeatedly that "S-OFF and locked" is the preferred way of running, but I'm not certain why. If I relock my device, am I stuck locked? If so, do I lose anything because I'm already S-OFF? Is the only way to "re-unlock" via mail-in again? What are the advantages/disadvantages? I just haven't seen a coherent explanation of the difference(s).

I ask in part because locking-unlocking is very simple via adb on the One Max. One has to unlock before flashing, then relock afterwards or the fingerprint scanner won't work.

Thanks in advance. (And I will not be insulted if someone just responds with a link to something I must have missed in the forums.)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] beaups:
There's really no reason to do that if you're already s-off/unlocked. But, if you must, the only way is to go s-on then run sunshine and choose the s-off/locked option. Before doing that, make sure (1000%) that 1.) you are unlocked or 2.) you are running a 100% stock RUU that is NOT Nougat. If you don't do 1 or 2, you will wind up SOL and be mailing us your device again.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] santod040:
Biggest difference in my opinion, as far as end user is concerned:

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=68469541
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
Thanks, [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1331268]santod040[/MENTION] for clarifying. At this point, I'm so far into Nougat, that a rollback to Marshmallow just to lock and redo Sunshine doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I've managed to flash pretty much anything I want anywhere I want (witness my completely bungling the firmware update a few weeks back) so I'll keep on keepin' on S-OFF/unlocked.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
This is the grave mistake I made without reading through the thread, I was having problems with my phone and needed to send it back for warranty replacement but Verizon was wanting to connect to my device over the phone so I wanted to get S-on and locked before she did. I rushed and missed the part about flashing an older ruu. Now I'm showing as modified S-on and unlocked. Can't get back into download mode or recovery and it just bootloops when trying to boot system. Get my replacement tomorrow, hope they don't void my warranty. I have Verizon insurance as well but the replacement is covered under manufacturer's warranty.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
For?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dottat:
The earlier tweet related to http://xdaforums.com/htc-10/how-to/vzw-how-to-unlocked-model-vzw-t3376743/
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
So I guess that's what the birdie said? Lol
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
Well, even if Sunshine isn't in the "near" future (within the next few days or weeks) that's okay, cuz honestly I think the unlocked working on verizon might be a little better (for those who don't want carrier restraints and/or those who want carbon grey (... may or may not include me heh) ) and we know that it's possible :) I mean I think we've had enough excitement for today right? ;)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Nope, not enough[emoji12]
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
To each their own ;) I'd be ecstatic to get sunshine APK today/tomorrow but likely won't happen (though I NEVER doubt what a developer can and will do haha)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I know. I'm just unsure about shipping my phone tomorrow now lol I'll probably just send it if I don't hear otherwise. It's only a week and $20 I suppose
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
Probably a wise decision, especially if you have a reliable secondary phone for the mean time. I don't have an option (parents are paying for the phone so I probably shouldn't root, but I will lol.. just not mail in)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] noahjk:
So I have a Verizon 10 and an unlocked one in my possession ... which should I keep with this new knowledge coming to light?

Sent from my HTC 10
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I'd just keep the unlocked one since you can already s-off it and use it on Verizon
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
I dunno, I would love to have known what the predicted ETA of a Verizon HTC 10 capable SunShine app would be available. Personally, I would rather use an app, tool, and or process on my own time and do it myself, but I also don't want to wait an unknown amount of time to get all my "root required" apps and frameworks running again. So, I am taking the mail-in service route. The way I see it, it's more work and hassle (and cost time wise) for them to accept users phones and perform a manual root/s-off/unclock/TWRP install than it is to release a piece of software and if it was something they could get together in an APK fast, they wouldn't go through the trouble to get this whole mail-in service path organized and executed. The fact that they are doing that leads strongly suggests that they have a lot of work in front of them to get a streamlines, safe, and reliable standalone software solution for the Verizon variant and don't want to make people wait. Also, the fact they got this option executed literally the day after the initial unlock announcement is very commendable.

Now watch, true to form, I'm totally wrong here and this will be the number one quoted post in the thread, followed by "LOL".... :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
I thought the same thing. Why bother with the mail in if it was going to be released soon? Unless there was sudden and rapid progress made. I'm sure I'm just over thinking it. Off mine goes tomorrow
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lancespahr:
I'd absolutely keep the unlocked one unless you *need* the special Verizon features the XDA geniuses haven't cracked yet :) unlocked is more guaranteed to be developer supported longer where the Verizon one could very well break in a software patch or Verizon could try to screw you over. Just my 2¢ :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pjd2011:
Enjoy being completely stock so you can accurately compare custom ROMs and tweaks when we finally do have bootloader unlock :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
Hardware is the same, I suspect you could flash verizon/gsm firmware to either.

Verizon phoens unlocked/s-off will not be blocked by updates, ones left locked could be
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcase:
It is a LOT more hassle and work to do mail in for us, and we eat some cost because $8 is less than actual shipping. Plus I functionally live in the middle of the woods and the post office is a good drive away. The only reason we are doing it is so that at least Verizon people have an option, because we are it right now.

As soon as it is possible for it to be in the app, I will shutdown the mail in service, I don't want to be doing it.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Well, we sure appreciate. I can imagine the swarm of packages at your doorstep could be quite overwhelming
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Brianp48093:
My HTC 10 is now at the post office as I type this! Pretty pumped about how quickly this device was defeated. :) I must say, it feels a little strange to pack up and ship a barely week old, perfectly good phone lol. Big props to the peeps that accompolished this! Big THANK YOU!!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Evocm7:
Not far behind you!
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] radensb:
Just sent mine off this afternoon. I feel I should probably apologize to @jcase in advance for the over-packing job! Haha. All I had was USPS Large Flat Rate boxes (and lots of bubble wrap!). I grabbed lunch at a resturaunt next to the postal drop off office and saw them perform their afternoon pickup. I was kinda relieved I went overboard on the packing once I saw them flinging the boxes in the back of the trunk! Do "fragile" stickers mean nothing now-a-days?!? :eek: smh...
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hgoldner:
FWIW, in the 7+ years that I have been using Verizon's Android handsets, the returned device is always shipped to a remote refurbishing company that probably bulk reflashes the devices during the process. Nobody ever knows what you've done to your handset. I've never heard of a single incident of a device returned via mail in where the carrier has said "Uh, oh! You rooted it!" or "It's S-OFF!" or anything of the sort. I suspect if you "handed it in" at a store with a technician they might catch you up, but, candidly, even there, I've returned devices with obvious custom splash screens and boot animations and the tech's response is almost always, "Oh, wow." YMMV but this has been my experience.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] LibertyMonger:
Thank you very much buddy this was very helpful and appreciated.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
Same experience here, I just sent my 10 in a month ago for digitizer replacement, didn't even bother flashing a stocker, just left it. Also, HTC is short on screens and digitizers for the 10, still haven't got mine back yet
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jluva420:
hi i just picked up this phone off swappa and the owner said it was unlocked s0ff but while it is s off it says locked when i go into the hboot. I can still boot into recovery i still have twrp and i still was able to flash the viper rom so im curious as to my status. do i have to re sunshine and can i do that when on the viper rom?
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
S-off locked is fine and doesn't have any limitations, on this phone it acts like s-off/unlocked. It's actually preferable to have soff/Locked. Better to leave it as is.

If you must, to unlock the bootloader with sunshine you'd have to s-on first and then s-off again with unlocked. Be careful never to s-on while on stock verizon Nougat, else you can't go back.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jluva420:
Really I don't need my bootloader unlocked I never heard that before I always thought I needed my bootloader unlocked for proper functions. I'm on OS

1.85.605.8 according to what I see in h boot and also another screen I've never seen on my M8 it's black with red and orange lettering gives me a lot of details and info and the ability to wipe I don't know if that's some new secondary recovery but I also have TWRP installed when I go to the recovery from the boot menu very strange I want to post pics but I can't figure out how
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tarima:
The screen you're describing is download mode. You can look up what it does.

You have twrp instead of stock recovery, which is fine. You can flash latest Viper rom if you don't already have it.

You may also want to update your firmware since you're on a old one.
[Verizon HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jluva420:
I want to keep xposed running and will update when it's available for nougat. Spoke with team venom and since I plan on running venom 6.0.1 they said stick with older firmware.