yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
BETA 2 Uploaded

Title says it all !

Thread and Changelog Updated. PATCH Download like always over Google Drive :angel:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Humo0915:
Is the patch supposed to clear all apps data, it has happened to me before to with a previous version of your patch, it wasn't a big deal since I had backups but would either way a hassle
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Yes. If You take a look on the Instructions, You will see that You have to make a Clean flash with a new Version of the PATCH. I want to force the Users with a /data/data Wipe to re-flash the whole System.

Updates are just causing Problems, Clean flash means less Problems and less Stress for me... I will edit the Instructions with a hint to Backup all needed APP Data before. That is just fair...

BR
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
So just noticed that in the ROM instructions it says to flash kernel and reboot recovery b4 flashing ROM, but in your video u just flashed everything and booted... Is there a certain circumstance that calls for flashing kernel first or is this just to ensure SuperSU gets unpacked correctly?

Also, is it absolutely necessary to format cache to f2fs for full functionality with new patch?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
It's hard for me to make a full Tutorial from LGUP to Update the Internal Device Drivers like Modem and Bootloader, to Flash the ROM/Kernel to get unencrypted Data and to Flash the PATCH. Maybe I should start a new Thread with a full Tutorial... But it's hard for me since my English is not perfect.

In my Video i have already used LGUP and I have always a unencrypted Device, so I have just to Flash the ROM and the PATCH to have a Perfect Setup...
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
So it helps ensure functionality for the users that didn't use LG-UP... Got it.

Your video was sufficient, your instructions clear, and your English was just fine... Just noticed that what u did there differed ever so slightly from some of the official instructions.

Since there is no 10d firmware zip and some users don't have easy access to a PC, is there any way u can make a full firmware zip?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Thanks for Your Feedback again! :)

[MENTION=2684188]autoprime[/MENTION] asked me a Time ago if there is interest from my Side on that, since he uses a H830 and want to take focus on it... I've no clue how to extract all that Images and Files from the KDZ since i'm new to LG, we have a ZIP from AutoPrime based on V10c which i can use as BASE to make it flashable. But like i said, i've now Idea how to get the Files. Maybe i can Ask Friendly if Prime shares the Secret with me... I'm a bit familiar with Ubuntu (Terminal) and Windows + Virtual Machine, so i could do the Job if it not breakes my Head...

Would be great if i could Provide a Update ZIP, a Custom ROM ZIP, and a PATCH. Makes me feel like I'm the Daddy on the H850 lol :laugh: I'm really proud to provide that much work here, this is my Biggest Project ever and i've much more Plans for the Future... Looks like i stick with LG Smartphones:angel:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
So I really like 15 beta2... Nexus launcher is great except for not being able to double tap to sleep, so I just use a different launcher.

The Xposed thing is killing me tho, mind u I've only tried two versions of systemless, and I do know I could still use the official framework but I'm hesitant to modify my system partition with how many systemless apps I use(tho idk if it would cause any issues...)

Basically any complaints I might have are just nitpicking...

With Fluence ROM and patch15 my phone is effing fast! Never seen a phone boot or shutdown so quickly! Response times are amazing and I like the included apps!I do miss the stock calculator app, but once again nitpicking.

I would urge u to remain systemless as it seems all things are going that way anyway, and tho I don't know much I think there are some good reasons to keep sys clean
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] srimay:
The sony music app is force closing for me

Sorry I forgot you mentioned that in the op. Now on this version of beta 2 I'm using, when I pair to the stereo in my truck, the music will not play thru it, but I'm connected. It shows the track name and artist on the vehicle display. I can take calls thru the radio with no problems. This is the 1st version I've had this issue with.

Just to say, I'm using the stock lg music app I reinstalled myself, and also the problem persists with music streaming apps as well
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Shadicbypass:
hey when is 16 gonna be up
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] jkhan49:
Does it support viper ?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] mericon:
Is it possible to get the stock lg galery back? Because the encryping feature is important for me

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[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] cornelha:
Any change of this being adjusted to work with the LG G5 SE (H840) variant?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
Is it rooted and unlocked or TWRP?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
Hey [MENTION=4756773]Miustone[/MENTION] so I think I ran into a bug... On FluenceROM v2 and patch 15+beta2

Trying to take a screenshot got a toast notification saying that it was unable to save screenshot and an non-dismissable status bar notification saying that my screenshot was saving...

Had to reboot to get it to go away
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Shadicbypass:
Works fine here. Maybe a app your using is causing it
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] gen10:
Backup in stock rom via titanium backup. Restore in patched rom.

Or someone could upload their apk and you could drag it into you system partition. Just remember to change the permissions via the file manager otherwise the app wont work.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] mericon:
Well i didnt used titanium for a long time that i didnt remember. Thank you i will try when im back from holliday

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[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Back :)

I've paused the Development till Yesterday (There was my Birthday). Now i'm back, and i will Awnser Your Questions later today...

Thanks for over 1000 Downloads on The two Betas! A Incredible Number for Beta Versions... A stable Version comes soon, Check the Changelog to stay Updated about the Changes. BR !
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] raffybest94V01:
my friend, how to patch you soon patch wiout lose all data ? flash only patch.zip and reboot ?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Lukijs:
Wipe caches and flash.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] raffybest94V01:
when i wipe caches i lose all config already test for patch 15 beta 2, maybe i do not wipe caches
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] ukiduki:
I'd love to install your patch onto my G5, although, in the instructions it says to flash your rom first, but it is missing from google drive. Have you or somebody elsa got any mirror?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Paulour:
Thank you for this patch, love the Xpedia mix : )

looking forward the next update! BR
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] xbenjiiman:
Can't seem to boot after flashing over H85010d_00_EEO_GB_OP_0707.kdz

Disregard the above, I'm a bit thick :)
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] raffybest94V01:
I have a very serious problem , with this specific patch I do not have access to any application from LG

( calculator, radio fm, remote control, music) etc.. why ?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] xbenjiiman:
This patch removes all LG software.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
SPOILER

Yes, it is coming...

AROMA 3 + MATERIAL DESIGN + PATCH = Revolution

Sorry for the Silence on the Thread :angel:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] gwolfu:
please do make option to install busybox

base busybox usually does not work with some apps that also use xposed (for example xposed lucky patcher) so I usually edit the installer and then install the patch

maybe this is just me but I tried different ROMS that have busybox pre-installed and all are acting the same, so I normally install busybox manually from playstore
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] brezzz:
Will the next version allow keeping the g5 dialer instead of the google dialer?

Thanks
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Done :angel:

Yup:good:

EDIT: Uploading a Preview of HD23 to the Fluence HD Folder. Have a Problem with executing the Patch ZIP from the Updater Script, any Help is much appreciated and suggestions about the AROMA Options are Welcome!

EDIT2: lol, i've missed some slashs / before some extracting Points. The small things that breaks the whole World :D Much Thanks to [MENTION=7426250]Pinu'u[/MENTION] four finding the Part !

EDIT3: 2500 Thanks and over 70k views on this Thread! Thank You Folks! It makes Me Proud that You like what i do :) I canceled my new Project and merge it into the Fluence HD Project. I hope i can raise the Quality of my Threads and my Projects with a lot more work and new Content. Big things are coming and i hope You are Part of it...
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pinu'u:
Thanks again for the great work you bring to use.

Not to mention the time it takes to get everything running so good !!

Keep it up !!!! :highfive:

[MENTION=5899743]Shadicbypass[/MENTION], i think this is not the right place to get answers. Better open a new thread, and i bet you will get help sooner :)
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] solidus636:
also had this happen very irritating!!.... stopping me from flashing this.. :/

i really want all the mods it lasts forever, but the speakerphone has to be fixed..
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Microphone Fix... Blame LG for that issue!

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] MaGiiC62:
I did wipe cache, system & data

Flashed the patch ( latest version ), installation blocked, now my phone refuse to start ... I have to flash a rom again, I guess
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
My PATCH is not a ROM. But i have a extra ROM as Base, You can find it in the Fluence HD Folder on Drive. First Full Wipe, than ROM and PATCH...

BR
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Nicol-Fever:
[MENTION=4756773]Miustone[/MENTION] If we had a chance to remove google apps from aroma would be great ^^.Beast job anyway :D
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
It's included :P Do You want to remove the Google Search App also? And Google Services + Play Store? I mean complete Google removal...
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] shaneg79:
I tried flashing v23 last night and I was getting a user debug watermark on bottom right side of the screen and it hasn't flashed everything from aroma installer I did a full wipe before and flashed the ROM and then the patch. I also tried doing a format and still didn't work correctly so went back to just the ROM. Any ideas why I'm having this problem? Thanks!
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
The solution for the user-debug is in the third post...

What u mean hasn't flashed everything from aroma?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] CrazyGamerGR:
She mean maybe hangouts and other google apps and lg pack like the normal and plus versions where you had to select what you want more google or lg apps.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Bild

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[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] shaneg79:
I selected all of the Xperia stuff and it didn't install those things also it didn't change the display to 560
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
The Post above Yours was meant to You...

You flash a Preview and face Problems? lol

Changelog says that i will Release HD23 on the 23th August 2077. The last Version of the PATCH was 15. AROMA gives also Infos on the first Page and the ZIP Name says PreviewXXX. I share this ZIP to get help and to show the Progress. Stop flash everything that You see and just read before You post to XDA... Please!
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] shaneg79:
Sorry but I couldn't even get 15 to work properly. That's why I had to go back to regular ROM.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Was a BETA. 14 is the last Stable Version...

EDIT: Uploading Preview 12. Much usable but not Final... Thanks to [MENTION=7426250]Pinu'u[/MENTION] for Supporting Me!
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Nicol-Fever:
Correct ^^ like normal and plus versions
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] MaGiiC62:
Do you mean we need your rom to flash the patch ?

It's not possible to flash the patch on a stock rom ?

Edit : I read your latests comments & I bet it's cause it was a preview :P

No problem, downloading version 14, i wanna try it ! Thx for your work :)
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] srimay:
The preview works, somewhat. What he means is is that you claimed to wipe your system and only flashed his patch. Therefore you didn't have a rom installed to boot up. And yes the patch is meant for a stock rom. That was his point of creating it in the first place
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] mericon:
Where can i get the preview? on googledrive i cant find it
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
It's in the Fluence HD PATCH Folder
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
great job with aroma... Good splash screen and so many options all clearly stated! Seriously really good work!

Xposed didn't install right, I know just a preview, but i watched the install process and saw it installed framework, then magisks, then superSU.I'm at work so forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly the order in which your scripts installed.

I remember reading that the Xposed material installer needed to be installed first(don't know if your script runs that first or not) then I think superSU, then magisks, and framework... For the correct installation order

Once again could be wrong, but might help Xposed work.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Thanks for the Positive Feedback! In the latest Preview Everything should work. First Superuser (Not SuperSU). And on the next Page, Magisk and Xpoded. If selected this 3 options it should work just fine...

I will update today with latest Magisk (V5) and Xposed V86.5 and some more Content. Realease target is still 23th August (Realease of Deus Ex Man kind divided, i have Pre-Ordered).

Hope i can finalize it in the next Days... (:

BR
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Preview 16

Preview 16 is UP. Fuc*** Selectboxes ! Can't get UI Sounds and Root working with Selectboxes instead of Checkboxes in Aroma. Updater Scipt is maybe wrong, maybe the AROMA Config, i don't know... But i've included LG Dialer, Contacts and Message Debloat and Google Dialer,Contacts and Mesagge Bloat (Message ist empty atm.) Dialer & Contacts replacement is working fine!

Updated:

-Magisk V5

-Xposed V86.5

-Superuser V17 (Magisk Version)

Help is appreciated ! :angel:

EDIT: Root and UI Sounds are working now! All Problems solved. Much work left, but the hard Part is done! Thanks again to [MENTION=7426250]Pinu'u[/MENTION] !
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] brezzz:
What sound mod is used in the patch?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Preview 18

Xperia X Fluence Audio System. (Ported Xperia X Audio Files + Fluence HD Tweaks)

BTW: Uploading Preview 18. Everything should work now. Please Report Problems!

IT IS NOT A FINAL RELEASE! DON'T HANDLE IT ON THAT WAY.

Make sure You don't need Your G5 as Life Saver when You flash my Preview... Thats all!

Good Night Folks! :angel:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] jkhan49:
Has anybody tried using viper4android sound mod ?

If anybody knows how to make it work on this patch do guide here..
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] zoomoki:
No problem encountered in install viper under twrp. It works fine
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] jkhan49:
Can you provide the download link here ?

I tried installing the apk normally and it didn't give my any sound enhancements.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] zoomoki:
I installed the viperaudio sonybeats edition. The link here:

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24459283995312754
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] f4n471c:
Are there any screenshots of the UI?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] BlackHoleSlam:
Anyone have an issue with superuser on patch 18 not being installed? I clicked it in aroma yet my phone is not rooted.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Check You Internal Storage and install the Manager APPs. Top John Wus Magisk/Xposed/Superuser stuff is a bit confusing and hard to handle... I hope I can pre install the APPs on the Final Release, but please install by yourself for now
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
HD23 Release 23.08.2016

It's official! I will release PATCH HD23 tomorrow before i start playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided :D

[MENTION=498688]Kickoff[/MENTION] has just made a Theme for my AROMA Installer, and i'm finalizing the PATCH now. Preview 20 is close to the Final Version but i've to do some more Things and i will re-work the whole Patch Prop to Fix Problems like the FC on the LG Filemanager and other small bugs...

That are the

BIG CHANGES

on

HD23

:

-AROMA 2.70RC

-AROMA 3.00b Binary

-Fluence HD ROM Binary

-Whole new Updater Script

-Whole new AROMA Config

-AROMA Themed by Kickoff and Me

-Komplex AROMA Structures with

--40 Debloat Options

--17 Bloat Options

--6 Sound Options

--Xperia X Fluence HD Audio System V1

--SuperSU

--Magisk

--Xposed

--Superuser

And even more!

The PATCH itself has also a lot of Changes. Most is caused by cleaning and AROMA. Bugs are fixed and some new come with Xperia APPs like Calculator and Keyboard :silly:

I hope the PATCH is now for everyone Suitable and Usable. I know there are sometimes Changes which not everyone likes. But i will do my Best, to let You choose what You want!

Welcome to the next LEVEL of the Fluence HD PATCH ! Hope You like it...

And Thanks again to [MENTION=7426250]Pinu'u[/MENTION] who has helped a lot over Hangouts ! :highfive:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] PrinceLc:
[MENTION=4756773]Miustone[/MENTION] after Patch i cant make videocalls anymore the mic dont work and i changed the walues in the build prop !!??

---------- Post added at 09:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 PM ----------

And with phonecalls the mic is working hm strange
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] lolmensch:
same happened to me with duo. it worked once and then never again without changing anything. whatsapp calls and regular calls work fine though
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] yurushi:
Go into your build.prop and change from true to false. Look at my picture, hope it works :)
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Working on it! Glad to get help from [MENTION=2543940]Savoury[/MENTION] with the UI...

Patch SEVEN comes soon :)

BR
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] pickandrew:
This ROM is based AOSP or Stock?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Mojar7070:
So jealous....I'm stuck on AT&T h820....?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
This is not a ROM! But made for Stock, and works on any ROM... :p

To bad! Hope You Guys can join the Party soon, on any way... :fingers-crossed:
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] vwlover69:
So is the Nexus 6 thread closed for good? We don't get updates anymore?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] LBensley:
I guess this just enables adoptable storage in the settings not actually turn it on?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Since everyone is trying to copy my Work, i think there is no more need for my Patches... Sony Apps and Stolen Tweaks everywhere! No Respect or a Single Thanks for my Work. Also to many Bitc*** and haters around my Threads. Don't want to push any more Work on this Device! I'm Sorry... All Downloads are also Offline for this Reason. It's a shame!

Correct, You can format Your SD Manual to get Adoptable Storage or You can Set the SD Card as Portable Storage. Your Choice :)
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] LBensley:
Just flashed it with out reinstalling anything it seems to be working fine!!
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Great, thanks for Your Feedback! Fluence HD SEVEN comes soon! :angel:

EDIT: HOLY... I got managed to get 32Bit Hifi DAC to work on our G5! With Toggle and App! Oh Baby! *-*
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Lycidias:
That means G5 has 32bit DAC but Stock did not support it til you enabled it?

Waiting for SEVEN :) :)

Btw why no fluence Viper app :(
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Fluence Viper comes a bit later. Needs more work, but Yes. The G5 has 32bit DAC Thanks to the V10 Firmware, Qualcomm and Android. It's included in Stock for the B & O Module, but does only get enabled with it. I bypassed that, the dedicated B & O Moulde is maybe better, but included 32bit Hifi is always better than 24bit :o

Uploading now, can't wait to show You my Work :angel:

EDIT: https://plus.google.com/+MariusYeezus/posts/Vmz1iGx1ERo
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] LBensley:
Looking forward to seven! Rapid progress so far!!
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Schrotty35:
The G5 self dont have 32Bit Dac!!! Only with HiFi Plus Modul.

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[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Yeha many Updates, but much to explore. LG's Software is awesome... Not to compare with a Nexus. Love the Features. Hope You like the next Version. Feels good to me :)

Not a DAC. But 32bit Hifi Audio. Sounds not bad at all. Try it :cowboy: The SD820 handles the Audio very well. Resample Quality is set to 5 now. Never possible on the Nexus 6 with the SD805
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Miustone:
Done

Uploaded HD Seven and updated the Thread! Enjoy the Patch :)
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Lycidias:
SEVEN.zip isn't in the Google drive link :)

Just installed Seven, it's very nice! Definitely smoother than Stock, no lag!! Thanks :)

"HiFi-DAC" can only enabled with earphones?

The Symbol also disappears from the notification panel :(
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Schrotty35:
XDA Link is so slow.
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Pphish20:
Not at all...
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] LBensley:
Reckon you can get multi-window working or no chance?

And what's the difference between the normal xposed app and yours?
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] Guitarfreak26:
How do we go back to default dpi? It says 640 in build prop but it looks like 560 to me? Thanks
[LG G5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developme] lolmensch:
Thanks for pointing this out but I did try a lot of things including this as it was posted by miuistone in one of the first posts. At the moment I am using the rom without the patch but did not try duo yet