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[Android Auto General] jruasap:
Thanks for the info. I was thinking the same thing- only the 2017 Chrysler vehicles will see it. The screen on the Charger is resistive and I believe a requirement of Android Auto is a capacitive screen so that seems like a giveaway that none of the 2016 vehicles will be updated for it.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] chong81:
My HTC 10 32GB grey from Taiwan can't read any of my NFC cards, which my LG G4 has no problems with.

However, the 10 can do NFC Android beam with the G4 just fine.

Over at the Taiwanese forums, most users can't get their 10 to read NFC cards too.

I'm using the latest 1.30 ROM.

Any ideas?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
What NFC App do you use?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] mdxdave:
I can read nfc cards with the HTC 10 w/o any problems, the sensor is at the top, placed at the camera.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Milk Tea:
My USA unlocked HTC 10 can't read my Suica card using the https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=yanzm.products.suicareader&hl=en app but my old phone can. So I too am having NFC problems!
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
My USA Verizon branded phone does Android beam no problem but will not read any tags. I have a Sony camera with a factory embedded NFC tag it won't even acknowledge. HTC clearly has something screwed up with NFC.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lutz890:
My unlocked HTC 10 Connects nexus 5x and my Sony soundbar via NFC just fine.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
Works for my taiwanese phone with NFC Tools
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
Im also having issues with the HTC 10 not reading NFC tags.

I have come from the HTC M8 which worked flawlessly with my NFC tags. As soon as it was within range of a tag, it would read it effectively.

Now with the HTC 10, I'm putting the phone close to the NFC tag and..... nothing. No beep, no nothing. I'm having to sit there and wave the phone around for a good 30 seconds before the phone even recognizes that there is a NFC tag near by, and even then, it doesn't read it properly. It takes a good 2-3 tries to get it to read an NFC properly.

I'm hoping it is just a DOA device, so am putting a warranty call into my telco to have the phone replaced (since I purchased it from them directly).

Unless there are some other troubleshooting steps I could try ?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Try to toggle NFC on/off quick from the drop down menu and retry the scan.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] chong81:
I did more testing...

I have tried 2 NFC apps from the card providers in my country called FlashPay & ezlink with 8 NFC cards, as well as Easy Wallet NFC with a Taiwanese NFC card.

Out of the 8 cards, 2 could not be detected while the rest could be detected and read with careful positioning.

The Taiwanese card could be detected but not read, and will "crash" the NFC function of the phone every time, requiring a toggle of NFC off and on before it can read any card again.

It seems that NFC communications on the HTC 10 with cards is extremely weak / directional, while it works better with other devices because the signal from them is active.

In my testing, I can increase the success rate of reading cards with the 10 by holding the NFC card upright, with the long edge horizontal and the front of the card facing me. Then bring the card and phone together with the top edge of the phone aligned to the top edge of the card. I can post a picture if anyone needs it.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
That did absolutely nothing. Besides, on the HTC 10, there is no quick NFC Toggle from the drag-down menu.

In saying that though, one of the other posts on here gave me a completely crazy and wacky idea for testing.

Normal NFC circuitry and phone builds are designed to read the NFC tags/cards from the back of the phone., because in HTC10's case, the NFC circuitry is built around the camera lens. Since NFC stands for Near-Field-Communication, why wouldn't it work from the front of the phone as well ?

So I tried it, and guess what. it started reading every single tag I have, from the first attempt, without fail.

Just place the NFC tag/card up near the top speaker on the front of the phone.

Would love for people to actually test this out and provide feedback/results if they could.

If this does work for everyone, then I would call it a major design flaw with HTC10's NFC.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Guess ours are setup differently out of the gate.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] goodtimes50:
WTF?! Mine looks exactly the same except I have the calculator where you have NFC. Is there no way to modify this?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
There is if you are rooted. (I'm not)

It's in /system/customize/ACC/default.xml
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
Ditto. Also have the Calculator there.

Why does it always seem that the more we 'upgrade', the less features and the dumber things actually get ?

The M8 (a 2 year old phone) has more features and abilities than the HTC10 (which has only been out for a week and a bit).

How is this progress ?

Is there an app or a utility that allows modifying that drop down menu easily (even with root) ? Maybe something along the lines of a Sense Toolbox or something ?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
What Rom?

This is 1.30.709.1
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Jrocker23:
I just tested it with a bunch of nfc tag stickers and android pay across the street. It read them all from the back when placed right above the camera and it read from the front around the speaker area..
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
Had a Problem reading my card Today.

So I turned nfc off and back on again. Worked instantly.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
That's kind of what I was seeing too and that's why I asked if anyone else was seeing that. Almost like nfc is getting put to sleep.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] ihavoc:
Well the good news with that is I guess then the issue can be fixed in software
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
Quick Update guys.

After more testing, I ended up taking the phone back to the place I bought it from. Because it was within the 14 days of purchase, they swapped it over right away for me. I was having a chat with their phone support people before walking into the store and found out that the NFC Reader issue is actually already a common thing on the HTC10.

I opened up the phone before walking out of the store and tested the NFC on the new phone. Works perfectly.

My advice would be to take the phone back and get it changed over to a new phone. Seeing as how it's only been a week since it was released, you should be able to get a straight change over as well. Just make sure you test it before leaving the store this time.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Milk Tea:
Toggling NFC on and off does nothing for me.

edit: 1.53 may have fixed it!
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] chong81:
Update: The NFC on my set has become temperamental in terms of sensitivity. Out of the blue, it will totally fail to detect any of my cards (NOT tags, which I'll talk about later), and then suddenly read them again after sometime.

When it comes to NFC tags, it has no problems reading them anytime, even when placed at the screen near the speaker or at the top edge of the phone. It seems that NFC tags, just like other NFC capable devices, present much less of a challenge to my set.

Using firmware 1.30.709.1 which is the latest for my set.

TLDR:

NFC cards: hardest to read, requires proper alignment to phone, some cards can't be read at all

NFC tags: always works, not sensitive to placement

NFC equipped devices/terminals: behavior is similar to NFC tags

So I suggest to use NFC cards to test as that's the only way to reveal NFC weaknesses on the 10.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] chong81:
What items did u use to test NFC on your new phone, and what was the firmware version?

Unfortunately HTC will not sell the 10 in my country and my phone was bought from overseas, so I'm pretty much stuck with praying that it's a software issue. Neither can I go test out demo sets in stores to get a bigger sample size, because there isn't any! [emoji24]
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Milk Tea:
Firmware 1.53 got https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=yanzm.products.suicareader&hl=en to work for me! This is a massive improvement over 1.2x, as the app was never working for me before I applied 1.53 today.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
On 1.31 suica Reader does not work at all ~.~

Shows very bad stats
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
Sorry to hear :(

While I was at home, I had previously purchased some NFC tags from ebay and have stuck them throughout the house for various tasks. So I used those to test the original phone. It simply wasn't reading them properly.

When I went to the store to get the replacement, the sales rep tried testing it with a Samsung phone and quickly realized that the Samsung would recognize the HTC, but not the other way around, so indeed it was a faulty handset.

I unboxed the new phone and tested it with the sales reps Samsung phone and it worked the first time. Came home and tried all my NFC tags and indeed it worked flawlessly.

Software number : 1.21.710.10 (which is actually old compared to some of the other users on here)

Unfortunately there isn't an update for Australia yet.

I think you might be stuck with having to return the phone from where you purchased it and inform them of the problem.

I should mention that I have since rooted the phone and can confirm that unlocking the bootloader & rooting do not effect the NFC function (which HTC previously said it did when I called them with this original issue)
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Ozebuddha:
1.30.709.1 results

I'm running v1.30.709.1 grey import to Australia (from HK I think).

* I initially upgraded from a Note 3 with working NFC (opal card reader and credit card reader & tap and pay all working fine) and used the Google backup & restore settings option on setting up the phone.

* NFC for the HTC 10 wouldn't work at all out of the gate (android beam or NFC card read) so the sales guy advised factory reset which I did and still had the same results.

* So he did another factory wipe and ignored all setting backup/restore etc prompts on the first boot then tried android beam to an S7 edge which worked both ways. He also installed the commbank app and tap and pay worked.

* Then I wiped it again and restored my backed up settings via google but did not choose to restore all apps. This time android beam worked with my note 3.

* I have installed credit card reader which I can get to work for my hsbc visa debit but not with any ANZ credit cards.

* The opal card reader doesn't work now - tried reading from a number of apps including NFC reader which seems to just report anything that the NFC reader picks up but no dice.

* I am hoping that this is just a software issue as everyone on v1.30 seems to be in the same boat, waiting for 1.53

---------- Post added at 03:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:43 AM ----------

Just had a quick look and the NFC standard (ISO 14443) defines two types of cards - Type A and Type B. I'm thinking that the 10 is only set up for one of these in v1.30 firmware - anyone with knowledge on this?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] duowing:
I came to this thread because I was playing around with a bluetooth speaker. Moto phone just touch the back of the phone. As mentioned with the 10 I have to tape the upper section of the phone around the camera/above in order to get it to register. Once I do that it works fine. Then I tried Android Beam between the 10 and the Moto Maxx, it worked, but I had to touch the upper portion of the phone to the direct back of the moto. I almost feel like HTC put the NFC towards the top for two reasons, one to avoid having the camera in direct contact with whatever you might be trying to pair it to, and also to mimic what you see in Apple commercials, the way they sort of have their thumb on the fingerprint scanner and touch the upper portion of their phone to the credit card reader. It actually feels like a more natural way to do NFC for when you're holding the phone so you don't have to move your hand to touch to the center of the back. My 10 is also a US unlocked Carbon Grey on the 1.53 firmware.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] ihavoc:
It's not HTC mimicking Apple, since the HTC one M7 (before Apple had NFC) the sensor was up top by the camera.

However I have had nothing but issues with the HTC 10 reading my NFC tags that the one M7 and M8 did not. Opened a ticket with HTC and then sent me a new unit, while this one still has issue it is about 50% better. I now have a ticket open with them on the replacement. Not sure but leaning towards a hardware issue and not software because why would the second one be better at reading the tags. Will update when I know more but it seems that there is an NFC issue with some HTC 10s
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] tkdw9n:
I do have issue with HTC 10 reading NFC cards. I had no issue reading the same NFC cards with either HTC One M9 or Samsung Galaxy S7 edge which I had been using before HTC 10.

Plus turning NFC feature on and off repeatedly would disable the NFC feature on HTC 10 until it gets rebooted.

I am using HTC 10 unlocked US version with the latest firmware (v1.53.617.5).
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] spicypixel:
Not sure if it's meant to make a sound but if I swipe the 10 over empty store bought tags it makes a sound, both on the front and back at the top, but none of the apps can read or write to them so sort of at a loss here.

edit: reboot and the app picks up after 2-3 seconds of annoying beeping.

edit2: after playing with locale/tasker it's just plain not reliable enough at reading to be useful, takes ages to find the reader and even then it's 50/50 if it'll read. Needs a fix asap because it's basically useless at this point and makes me wonder if android pay will even work properly.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] tkdw9n:
edit) Oh, not all NFC cards have the problem, only few though.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Smite Chow:
seems htc 10 can't read light signal card, because i can read my traffic card at the first time, but after 3 days can't forever
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
Has anyone been able to find a fix/solution for this yet ?

1 month later, and 1 replacement phone later, still having the same issue .......... again.

Am just about to send it in for a warranty repair/replacement, but hoping someone has found a fix for this.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] pattsy:
Im on Nordic HTC 10 with 1.30.401.1. And i can't read Mifare Classic 1k tags. Tried toggle nfc on/off. Frech reboot. But nothing. NFC Tools, TagWriter and Suica Reader. All with the same resault. The beeping sound.. and then nothing. Tried holding the tag i numerous positions..

Anyone got any clue whats up here?

Regards, Patrick
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
Can't read my credit card anymore.... it worked before.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jauhien:
Neither can mine.. ?

Spoiler content hidden.

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] ERamseth:
my NFC is also not working right. Its the one from Tmobile and the NFC card is a fidesmo card (ledger unplugged). When trying to read, it acts as if im placing and removing the card repeatedly.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
*** Update ***

After much much much testing, I'm finally putting it down to a design flaw in the HTC 10.

Reasoning :

- NFC uses RFID to communicate between devices & NFC tags.

- The flaw with this technology is that metal can interrupt NFC communication.

- Given that the HTC 10 is an all-metal body (and a beautifully designed one at that), you can start to get a picture of where the problem starts.

- I suspect that HTC put the NFC chip around the camera to make use of the gap between the metal chassis in order to get a signal through.

- On the HTC M8 the NFC was also around the camera, but given it was a Duo-Lens camera, I suspect it had enough of a gap for a signal to get through, hence why the M8 could read anything and everything.

- I tried reading both NFC tags and other mobile devices and after much swiping up and down, the HTC10 would sporadically recognize an NFC device nearby, but would fail to transfer any data across. Even turning the NFC off & on again wouldn't work.

- I previously posted that on my original HTC10 (before I had it replaced), the NFC would have a better chance of reading an NFC from the front of the phone rather than the back. So I got back into test/troubleshoot mode and wanted to pin-point where the phone was picking up an NFC signal from.

- Using an NFC tag I started from the back of the phone, at camera level, and very slowly moved the NTC tag across the entire phone, moved it up a little, and back again. I did this till I reached all the way up to the top of the phone. I found that there was a very very small section (looking at the back of the phone) on the top right of the camera that would recognize an NFC device (but wouldn't read the tag). It kept buzzed about 30-40 times like a madman before it eventually read the tag.

- I did the same thing at the very top of the phone (seeing as how the top looks like it's a plastic cover) at a 90 degree angle and found that (looking from the front) between the headphone jack and the left edge of the phone was also the only part of the phone that would recognize a tag, but wouldn't immediately read it. Again, it buzzed for about 20-30 times before it beeped properly and read the tag.

- I did the same test from the front and found that the upper most part of the phone (10mm from the top and upwards) was the only place the phone would recognize an NFC tag.

Given the extremely narrow margin for reading NFC tags, I call this a piss-poor design on HTC's behalf.

I understand that out of the worlds smartphone user population only about 2% of us use the NFC feature with tags, so it's not exactly on the forefront of the developers testing regime (which is why I thought I would do the testing for them).

Without opening the gutts of the phone and seeing what HTC actually did with the NFC chip, I can't really pin-point the problem any further.

A possible solution (just in case HTC actually decide to read this thread), would be to put an aluminium layer behind the NFC chip to act as a kind of signal direction (similar concept to the way satellite dishes work).
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] globiboulga:
I'm having the same types of issues with NFC. It just doesn't work at all. Nothing registers (and yes, it's on). This is a shame. The HTC is fantastic, but basically can't use Google Pay or any payment application with it. VERY disappointed. I don't understand how HTC can get this so bad... Phone is HK international edition and I'm on 1.55. Seriously, I hope this gets sorted...

I really like the phone so I won't ditch it, but I find it very frustrating to be on a troubleshooting mode for something that should honestly work out of the box. I feel cheated and I really don't want to spend a couple of day resetting the whole thing - especially given reports here that it does not actually make any difference...

The aluminum theory is interesting, but then again it seems to work flawlessly on all other all metal phones.

Other than that, the phone is amazing.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xlrate:
Yep just tested mine and it's the same. Can't even setup cards with my bank ANZ because it can't read them.

Might have to send phone back
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] pattsy:
Just noticed since the 1.80 update.. the NFC is waaaaay better. :good::D
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Haldi4803:
Still not working on 1.80 .... so either root/Xposed or stuff is blocking it.... or its dead.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] chong81:
I'm on 1.80, and it seems intermittent -sometimes for no reason it comes alive and will read most of my NFC credit cards repeatedly; then suddenly it goes dead and can only recognise things with strong signals like NFC tags.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dvdrw1024:
Not workin for 1.80.709.1

No matter what I've done I couldn't make the NFC work :(

I have a Taiwanese phone with version 1.80.709.1.

I couldn't make the reader read even once. I've tried several tags that are easily read by other phones.

My M8 had the same problem though it occasionally managed to get a read.

Though unlikely, I hope this can be fixed by software update.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
After spending 4 days on the phone with vodafone and another call to HTC directly, I was asked to send the phone in to be checked out.

10 days later and I still don't have my phone back. Apparently the repairers are waiting for parts from HTC, which in my opinion is an admission that there is something actually wrong with the hardware itself. Anyone who's read through this thread will know that this one was my second handset after it was replaced a week after the original was delivered.

2 handsets, exactly identical issue.

Will let you guys know how it goes after I get my handset back.

*** As a side note, here is something really funny. I spoke to a nice young chap from Vodafone's Specialist Tech Support who attempted to try and troubleshoot the issue with me.

He suggested I try 1 thing, which my reply was "already tried it".

Suggested a second solution : "Already tried that as well".

Then he says that certain people reported that they can get the NFC working from the front of the screen. At this point I asked him if he was referring to the troubleshooting that was reported on this thread. His reply was "yes". He was reading my own troubleshoot documentation back to me and asking me to do the exact same steps.

You should have heard his voice change once I told him that the troubleshooting he was reading was written by me. Hahaha.

It ended with an hour long gas-bagging session with the guy just talking tech and gadgets.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] WPtE:
I have the 1.80 update nfc doesn't work for me. I'm not sure if it ever did, I think I never tried it before today.

Lets see what happens to TRLOS phone, I might take it back to the store.

Beam between my m7 and 10 seems to work though.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TRLOS:
The much awaited Update.

HTC Ended up replacing the handset again (so this is now my 3rd handset)

I've only had the phone for about 2 hours and tried it on a couple of tags and so far, its going well.

I've either had the worst luck and found 2 dud handsets in the entire HTC production line, or HTC picked up on the fault early and produced a new batch of handsets with the NFC working properly.

I will put the NFC through its paces over the next few days after I've rooted the phone (I use the tags with Tasker) and will put updates on this thread.

My recommendation for anyone still having issues. Log the fault with your telco (or HTC if you bought it outright) and send the phone in for "repair". As long as there is no physical damage to the phone, HTC should end up replacing just like they did with mine.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] chong81:
Thanks for your update! Please let us know whether it works consistently over the next few days/weeks, as I have personally seen 2 sets that are intermittent and they were produced one month apart.