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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Androbench is just one of the few better storage benchmarks on Android. The variation is just because of impatient people complaining, otherwise they'd be sitting there for a few minutes waiting for the benchmark to finish running. If you run Androbench micro and change the settings, you'll notice how the file size only affects the sequential.. There's your problem..

When you have a 4K read/write performance of 3000 IOPS or larger, what good does that 8MB file size do?

MB/s = (IOPS * KB per IO) / 1024

Your results showed 2862 and 3216 IOPS with 4KB buffer, that's 11,1-12,5MB/s. Rather good rand wr actually.

With 8MB file size, that's 636 to 715 milliseconds spent for measuring the actual read or write speed.

Anyone wanna guess how accurate that could be? Think about how much stuff can actually happen in that sort of a time frame if the OS decides to do something at that exact moment you're running the benchmark.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] crazysoccerman:
I have a rooted LG G2 and disabled thermald to stop thermal throttling. If I remember correctly you can also adjust throttling parameters by editing a text file.

I've had this phone for 2.5 years will no ill effects. I'm waiting to see if the vzw model gets root before I decide on the htc 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
yes the GPU settles around 315mhz fair quickly though....i would root and tweak this thermal behaviour, 300mhz is too low, although i am not sure if it settles at 400mhz or 300mhz can we find out?

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this is exactly what im saying, powersaver killed the Little.big function on M9 so the little cluster maxed out and stuck running at max clocks because a53 is a weak core, on the 10 PS mode remains in 2x2 mode you only lose the high clocks

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actually pretty impressive seems that 1.3ghz is pretty sustainable on both on this big kryo core, something nearly impossible on the A57 last year

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excellent thank you for confirming, also it seems boost+ game boost mode doesn't lock out the GPU top speed?

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still a great tool to counter the throttling GPU and 2k cost, thats nearly double the GPU speed! awesome addition by HTC, to hell with battery, there is absolutely no good reason to lose half your gaming GPU power on unseen screen PPI and boost+ is an awesome fix

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[MENTION=3056043]Haldi4803[/MENTION] can you please rename the thread to something like: HTC 10 thermal/throttling thread? awesome thread btw
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

~.~ I was about to answer you in the Megathread. Thought I'd add a Link to this one, and you've already found all Info's.^^

As soon as I have my USB measure device and more time I'll create a few more benchmarks. Gonna open another thread for that (same as the stuff for Xperia Z2 linked in my signature) and sort all the stuff for easy finding :)

P.S not getting my Laser thermometer though :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Of course we can. Looks at the FPS numbers.

In the Anandtech chart the max FPS is around 53-54 in my opinion.

The steady-state FPS is 37.

And we know that the max clockspeed of the Adreno 530 is 624Mhz.

(624Mhz / 53.5) * 37 = ~431Mhz.

Of course this isn't that scientific BUT T-rex is heavy enough graphics load (not reaching 60fps Vsync cap) that it is going to scale relatively well with clockspeed differences.

GFXBench has 109 results for the HTC 10, that's a pretty good median to use.

https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?D=H...testgroup=graphics&benchmark=gfx40&var=median

T-Rex onscreen is 51.4fps and the long term performance number is 35.5fps.

(624Mhz / 51.4) * 35.5 = ~430Mhz

Manhattan 3.1

Onscreen 15.3fps, long term performance 10.4fps.

(624Mhz / 15.3) * 10.4 = ~424Mhz.

Of course this only takes the GPU clockspeed into consideration.

Does the CPU throttle a lot during a heavy T-Rex or Manhattan 3.1 load?

How much does the CPU clockspeed affect T-rex or Manhattan 3.1 performance?

I have no idea.

How fast does the clockspeed drop? If the clockspeed on the GPU has already dropped with the first on screen run then it would skew these calculations.

Anandtech's FPS chart of course tells us this (through pixel calculations lol)

~5.9 minutes into T-Rex long term performance HTC 10 ~53fps >> ~46fps

~9.6 minutes into T-Rex long term performance HTC 10 ~46fps >> ~37fps

I don't think regular T-Rex or Manhattan 3.1 takes more than 5 minutes to finish?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
CPU is almost unused in the Cars Benchmark. I think it's similar in Manhattan and T-Rex.

My phone Starts throttling the GPU about 30 seconds After Benchmark Start.

But that's not with a cold phone but with a phone normally used during the day.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
[MENTION=3056043]Haldi4803[/MENTION] bad news mate, trepn is as much as useless or even counterproductive

The moment you use it significantly messes up performance in gaming, wether in overlays or background profiling the performance goes down the drain GPU barely ramps

Big shame it was my main tool to optimize the s810 thermals files for gaming on the M9 and OP2

More feedback soon on the megathread
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DjBorna92:
with a custom kernel this problem will be solved and, I think, also the problem of slowness in the opening game or heavy app
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
figured it out, it's good old CPU throttling

I started gaming from a cold state, 32c it gave flawless 60 until 37c was crossed (DE2)

At least it's better than being a gov issue, lowering screen brightness and disabling wifi helps in delaying throttling

The kryo core is plenty powerful so using powesaver 1.3ghz lock I get much more sustainable gameplay [emoji23]

So HPM and PS are opposite in our case, HPM will lead to even faster throttling than stock speed and PS will delay throttling furthest and hence provide the most stable gameplay

Of course you can simply game in
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xperia x root:
I wonder if the thermal throttling at low 38 celsius, is hardware related. Teardowns show that the soc is placed over the battery, which I think was an bad idea. No one does this, as you can see in other smartphones like the s7 and g5, for good reason I think. We will probably see, extrem battery drain with custom kernels that set throttletemp. higher. I'll get my htc 10 today and I really hope, that it will behave like a flagship device .

Here is a teardown where u can see that the soc is partly over the battery... https://youtu.be/LdQ3nRAaafM
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
It looks like they placed the cpu over the battery so they can spread the heatsink out and attach it to the frame to disperse the heat better.

Perhaps their engineers had already tested both ways and found this way better. Companies go through extensive testing in R&D, more often than people realize.

I trust HTC did what's best for the device to work properly.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
[MENTION=2904749]xperia x root[/MENTION] [MENTION=6129692]richii0207[/MENTION]

that's always been their way since the M7, the stack design allows them to taper the edges and place the camera in the middle of the back, its the stack pyramid design is probably essential for the tapered chamfers and pseudo thin effect

actually the idea started with the Windows 8x phone and they won many awards for it but today with these super power hungry SoCs its properly pushing the envelope too far at the moment, lets hope the next Android update brings drivers improvements to the s820

FYI everyone, profiling on the HTC 10 is totally futile, in Trepn its a disaster especially in games as the CPU/GPU completely fail to do any proper ramping when gaming meanwhile Gamebench causes stutters unseen when you play without Gamebench (DE2 is stuttery with gamebench, locked 60fps without it)

looks like we need to wait for these apps to be optimized for s820 properly[/QUOTE]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xperia x root:
Yeah I already knew that, but why has the soc to be over the battery and not 1 cm on the right site so the heat under the soc goes on the daughterboard. For sure there was extensive testing, but this doesn't mean that HTC releases always proper phones as you could see by the M9. The 810 was a problem itself, but most phone manufacture wheres able to handle its heat-problem better than HTC with the M9. Anyway, I'm going to unbox my 10 now :o
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
actually its not true, people imprinted the M9 launch in their minds like its in the bible, however HTC did fix the device in less than 3 months, the M9 received the 2.x update with the s810 v2.1 drivers massively improving the thermals, in fact at the moment browsing using chrome on the M9 or using whatsapp is cooler than the HTC 10

so lets differentiate launch state of a device with early SW and the later improvements, especially HTC who are rated/awarded the second best after Google itself in software maintenance
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xperia x root:
Yeah i know they fixed it, but it sucks to have a phone which cant use its full power due to thermal regelation. I know thats impossible to run a 810 or 820 at its max clock for a long period of time, but 10 mins max clock or at least near max clock, both cpu and gpu should be possible to call it a highend phone. Why should i buy a phone that can possible outperform a midclass soc by two times when in real life there isnt much different because of thermal locking? I would be interested how the G5 behaves with its 820?I hope with the 10, HTC find a nice setup of both, power and thermal regelation. So far I'm very impressed by its build and screen quality.(Sharp screen)

Sry for my bad english..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
It's going to behave more or less the same.

If you start gaming on the 10 vs G5 both at a "cold state" eg. room temp, the 10 is going to be able to keep it's clocks up for longer thanks to the higher heat capacity (edit: =more mass). And because of that it's going to take a little bit longer to cool down, which is of course also affected by the actual structure of the phone. The G5 is flat with it's battery on the left side and the PCB on the right where as with the 10 the battery is sandwiched in between the display/midframe and the PCB/rear housing.

FYI, the Snapdragon 820 is bananas in regards to performance.

If we look at raw computing power, measured in GFLOPS, the Adreno 530 is roughly twice as more powerful as the Xenos GPU inside the Xbox 360.

Or if we look at the Kryo CPU and compare it to something a little more known, let's say a Core i5 2500K..

The 2500K can do ~83000 Dhrystone MIPS (million instructions per second) at 3.3Ghz.

Since it's a quad core / 4 = 20750 per core / 3300 = ~6.3 DMIPS/Mhz.

Which just happens to be roughly the same as the Kryo core or the A72.

And if you calculate it, 2x2.15Ghz + 2x1.59Ghz Kryo is about 47k DMIPS. More than half of the 2500K.

More than a third vs. my heavily overclocked i7 3770K.. Which is just ridiculous.

P.S. It's funny how fast the 10, or any SD820 device really, can melt a 3M ColdHot "ice"pack :D
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xperia x root:
Yeah the 820 is a beast.,but sadly one u can't really unleash. The 530 GPU is at least 30% faster than the mali T880 MP12. XDA made a first test 2 month ago with gs7e, to explore thermal throttling of the 820.(http://www.xda-developers.com/s7-ed...rk-stress-tests-of-sd820-810-808-exynos-7420/) While the CPU behavior was quite good with running 8 benchmarks in a row, the GPU throttled hard after third 3 D mark benchmark. But all in all performance kept up very good compared to the 10.

I've heavily used my 10 yesterday, with playing GTA SA und Asphalt 8 for at least 1h 30min both of them(no boost+), to test its behavior. I really dont felt a difference between gaming and the browsing of "light" website before gaming, regarding the temperature. Phone felt warm but not at all near hot. Then I watched the temperature sensors with Aida 64 and the bunch of 20 temp-sensors( which must be an app-failure) showed me 47-52 degrees celsius. I was suprised as the phone felt like maybe 40-42 degrees. I know how 50 degrees on a full metal housing feel when i touch my old m7 with heavy use. ( 49,7 degrees was the hotest temp i've reached according to aida 64 and the phone definitly felt so) So I wonder if the temp-sensors are wrong calibrated? From what I feel there is some space for higher temps with the 10 without draining the battery to much. I'm confident now that new drivers and custom kernels will increase the power of the 10, without making it unuseable.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
I've actually seen that, thanks anyway. Yeah, the GPU is the big deal and can't wait to down clock the sucker. Of course I want to adjust the Kryo core clock speeds a little as well.

In regards to the temp sensors, those are not an app failure. It's not that hard to imagine that many sensors.. Couple of sensors per core, emmc, type C port, headphone amplifier, speaker power amplifiers, power management ic, LCD and so forth.

I personally wouldn't bother looking at anything other than the battery temperatures. aida64 showing them as "bms" on the top and the bottom 2 battery temp readings.

Of course if you wish to squeeze the most efficiency possible from the SoC, you'd want to keep an eye on the core temperatures. Higher temperature means higher power consumption. And higher temperature in the SoC also means higher temperature for the battery to deal with. And temperature also affects the capacity of the battery, lithium batteries like it room temperature..

And are they wrong calibrated? Not in my opinion. The SoC can easily reach that kind of numbers and if you had been gaming for "at least 1½ hours" then surely the phone had already reached thermal equilibrium eg. the phone is evenly heated and as a result the PCB is quite warm where a bunch of those sensors are located.

Also the battery temp dropped quite consistently when I had an "ice"pack cooling the phone. So that's accurate.

Fun fact: the temperature readings round robin back to ~130C or so after they go below 20C.

Nothing to be afraid about that though, it's just displaying them funnily.

Though it would be hilarious if the kernel would think ERMAHGERD I'M BURNING ALIVE when you have a "ice"pack cooling the phone :D
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mr_stoosh:
Just had an overheating message pop up after recording nearly 8 mins of 1080p video footage. Camera shut down and the phone temperature went up to 48 degrees. I would normally expect this to happen when recording 4K but not 1080p. Has anyone else had this happen?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] alireza77:
Hi, Im new to android development, i wanna port CM13 to JLO.

Can anyone help me (TEACH) to compile it from source for jlo plz?

i read all of th guides but they are not helpful for Jlo and how can i find (or create) JLO CM13 mainfest files?:(

(EXcuse MY baD EnGLisH:D)
[Honor 7 General] jove120:
Hi all,

just checked Huawei just released the EMUI 4.1, but it isn't available for our Honor7, does anybody knows why???? maybe this new version fix the notifications problem.... just wondering :D
[Honor 7 General] inside!out:
It's only for P9 Now

Отправлено с моего PLK-L01 через Tapatalk
[Honor 7 General] HmMarques:
Yes, only for P9 for now..

Enviado do meu EVA-L09 através de Tapatalk
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blurhns:
Could our device ever get a sense 8 build? Or is it legacy already?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bdizzle1686:
Very doubtful as sense 8 is based on and built solely upon android 6.0, which the m7 will never receive. Certain sense 8 apks DO WORK , as on my m7 I've installed sense 8 weather, world clock, weather clock widget, transparent clock widget, sound recorder, etc.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] manuelss77:
Donde bajaste los widgets de sense 8?

Thank you
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] czesiu1715:
Do you know, where i can find sense 8 apk, like weather clock widget?
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ckpv5:
Attached .. not flashable, you can try install it as normal apk. If fails, push it to system/priv-app and put correct permission rw-r--r--

Note : there is no Solid Weather on Sense 8 WeatherClockWidget.

If you want more apks, you can download the TWRP backup here : http://xdaforums.com/htc-10/how-to/stock-stock-collection-recovery-ruu-ota-t3359297

and extract out the apks from system_image.emmc.win

Rename system_image.emmc.win to system.img then mount it with DiskInternals Linux Reader to save all files that you need.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] czesiu1715:
It works perfectly, thank you bro :)
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] manuelss77:
I dont work well, i have artmod
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] aruruuuu:
Help me. I've give up on how to unlock my Sprint Note 3. All that I can found is the paid version. By any chance, can somebody give me a treat with the unlock code? :crying:
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] Qtwo:
Have they really removed double tap to wake? Huge dealbreaker when the fingerprint scanner is at the back of the phone.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] Tolukolvi:
Unfortunately Huawei removed it. Coming from LG G3 it took some time to get used to it. But the placement of the fingerprint sensor is very good indeed. I do prefer the back of the phone to the front.

Sent from my {manufacturer} {device}.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] clouds5:
If you have root try this:

http://xdaforums.com/mate-8/general/enable-double-tap-to-wake-t3312676

I haven't gotten around to root mine yet, so will update later if it works. I've checked the files though (you can read them without root, but not modify) and all the entries are there, so it's supported just not enabled. Seems Huawei disables DT2W by default on devices with fingerprint scanners even though support is there. Makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

I have a long list of things I need to do once I have root :cool:
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] paratox:
dt2w setting appears but after enabling it does not work.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] clouds5:
This is bad news but I'm pretty sure there must be a way to enable it somehow :) Since support is clearly there.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] intercontinental:
There must a be reason why Huawei is disabling DT2W feature..
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] themissionimpossible:
Probably DTW has been disabled in all their new smartphones with a fingerprint sensor (ex. Mate 8): is it not compatible with lock/unlock security?

AFAIK the Honor 6 Plus which has recently been updated to Android 6 keeps the DTW function, so apparently it's not related to Marshmallow.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] sreejith091:
The finger print sensor is actually fast and good.

And it is actually placed beautifully. Easy to use
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] clouds5:
True, but when the device is placed on a table and you want to check time there is only the power button.

In 80% of cases the FP sensor is fine. For the other 20% it would be nice to have the option.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] sreejith091:
Hai dear friend if you are ready to use third party apps then we can have a solution.

Try this app it just works fine in unlocking the screen by double tap.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jamworks.knockz
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] kiwinazgul:
On my H7 with B330 Digirom 4.2 I have dt2w.

Go to Settings -> Smart assistance -> Motion Control -> Double touch (at the bottom)

Edit: Sry guys, not sure how I came upon the P9 forum, thought I was in H7
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] erez669:
This kind of apps not need a rooted device or something?
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] clouds5:
Missing dt2w is the only flaw of this phone... Really hope they do something about it with nougat. :eek:
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] skoobee:
If fingerprint is enabled then dt2w is irrelevant anyway
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] clouds5:
Kinda. In most cases it's fine. It would still be nice to have the option. You know when the phone is laying flat on the table and you want to check time or notifications...
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] MSI/1956:
Hello,

I found onthe Google play store the app "Always On" from developper DUFRELLER, and it works very well on my Huawei P 9.

Regards

MSI/1956
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] monoxian:
If your screen is always on, your Huawei P9's battery will die really, really fast. You don't want your screen to be always on because it is a non-IPS display panel.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] spring80:
i told you guys use application like wave to unlock and lock

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kimcy92.wavelock

it use proximity sensor to wake the phone,no battery draining.but be sure to choose in the settings "unlock only" option.working very good
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] malanjayanka:
I have huawei honar 5a (y6 II )

How to turn on double tap feature in this phone
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] lapocompris:
I played with a P9 on display in a store last week, it did have double tap to wake.
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] zgfg:
Unfortunately, it"s not irelevant at all. Most new phones have fingerpriht but they still have DT2W. It's very useful for:

- quickly locking the phone (fingerprint is absolutely irrelevant for locking)

- checking time and notifications on the locked screen (fingerprint unlocks but I don't want that, I just want to switch on the locked screen)

Without DT2D you must always use Power button which is inpractical and inconvinient.

Moreover, there is also no feature to lock the screen by double tapppijg or long pressing Home button (similar/alternative option found on some phones, and in Xposed + Gravity Box)

Generally, phone (particularly camera) is powerful, but User Interface iis very rudimentary. Settings are diss-organized (hard to find and understand) and many common features found on other phones are missing (like this DT2W, smart unlocking by WiFi or location, etc). I'm terribly missing CM/LOS and/or Xposed to be able unleash and fully customize the things.

P09, L09, c432/b378

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I"ve followed and got the Double Touch option in Settings / Smart Assistance / Motion Control, I enable it and reboot the phone (repeated severeal times), but no use, it does not lock / wake-up the screen
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] Akinaro:
xD Good one... I actually laughed a bit reading this... Using simple button that is few mm from screen is "inpractical and inconvinient"... damn...
[Huawei P9 Questions & Answers] zgfg:
No use to discuss anything with you, obviously you never had a phone with DT2W and you are not accustomed to use the new feature.

And you have never been e.g. running with bags in left hand, answering on the message and needing​ to quickly and easily lock the screen, without 'fishing' for the power button.

I will no more read and answer on such useless and trolling comments.

If you are happy without DT2W, good for you, but be aware that there are users who are familiar with new and additional features and do know why need them and how to use them