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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

As being discussed in another thread here, it is now becoming apparent that HTC are shipping the Kaiser with a mixture of screen types, either whatever they can buy in at the time the cheapest or on later phones they using different screens.

The greenish looking display is transreflective, this means it will be perfectly usable in direct sunlight, in fact the brighter the better.

The black displays are transmissive, this means they don't reflect light back, so outside they become very hard to use.

Pro's and cons. The transmissive display will have better colour and contrast (obviously when used indoors). Transmissive displays are what computer TFT monitors/laptops use.

Transreflective will typically have poorer colour and contrast indoors, but will be usable outside in direct sunlight. In daylight they take on a metallic look as you are seeing the silver/white reflective material behind the display reflecting the daylight back.

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mario_Nissan:
Can you tell what type of screen I have if the connector is golden?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
I guess the question to start is how well can you see the screen outside, for me its pretty damn bad. have a strong feeling that my screen is a gold connector, but just gotta check.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pen25:
you can order case tools on ebay or just use an old credit card or something simular. just take your time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Console-Opening...ryZ49230QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronwms:
My Tilt LCD was cracked, I have the LCD replacement and tools. But, I just dare not enough to open the case. I did try, but I could not pull the case apart after loosing the four screws at the back of the "moving part." I really don't want to further demage my Tilt. I wish there is a Tilt/Kaiser service manual so that I can follow step by step. I searched for the manual for a long time, seems like the manual is still not available. Am I right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
Wow all 4 screws? I have lost two (on seperate occasions) but that was my fault for doing it at work with dark carpet and a lack of space. My screen comes in tomorrow so hopefully this weekend I can do the swap then I will try to give any additional details where I can.

You are correct about of lack of service manual, there will be one, just don't know when. mikechannon is good at getting them once they are availiable so its only a matter of time.

p.s. as I thought my screen was a gold connector. But I didn't open mine fully to see that. Hey Mario, how does the bottom part come off? (the part where the screen actually tilts)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mario_Nissan:
It's not easy to remove the front cover, you have to separate it using the tool and then pull it. It has some sort of security locks besides the screws.

I didn't understand your question.

There are 3 parts:

- The LCD

- The Digitizer

- A piece of metal were the LCD+digitizer fit

Those 3 things come with the replacement screen sent by njbridges.

Regards,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
ah I wasn't able to fully take the front plate off. The inside portion where the screen tilts, thats where i saw some resistence and was too nervous to remove it.

Hey aaron did the swap over today worked out great, but I didn't fully take off the screen. use the plastic tool for the top and bottom areas where the screws are and and then look along the side, once that part pops u can make your way around to pop the other tabs.

as mario said don't just yank off the front after, there is a black connection that u need to take off (pretty easy)as well as a connector from the screen to the board.

****this part is what I did mario might have a better resolution****

i then used the plastic tool to losen the screen and then it came out easily. I slid in the new screen. popped it back in closed it up and booya.. glad to be back. now too look at these new roms!

Thanks Mario for your help and to Njbridges for getting that out to me so quickly top notch!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mario_Nissan:
Hello y2whisper,

Great to know that everything worked out as expected.

I was able to remove the whole cover using that blue plastic tool as well. And as you say it's very important to ve carefull with the connectors and borads attached to the cover.

Now enjoy your Kaiser agan!!!

Regards,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
I guess I'm next at attempting this. Nobody has broken anything yet trying to do this? I'm terrible at mechanical stuff, but my screen somehow broke yesterday for absolutely no apparent reason. My phone has never been dropped and I'm extremely careful with it. I keep it in a pocket with nothing else in that pocket because I don't want it getting scratched. I left the office to go home for lunch yesterday, it was fine. I put it on the charger, ate lunch, heard an email come in, went to check the phone on the charger and the screen was cracked. ATT wanted $498 to fix my 2 month old phone. I found the replacement part for $80 (the individual who's advertising them here wants $120) and will be ordering it tomorrow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
nice and if it comes with parts perfect. mine broke in a similar fashion only my door handle hit it. Looking for my case as i can't find it and am now over protective of my Kaiser until then.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Comes with what parts? Don't you just need the screen? Are there special tools required (other than a jewelers screwdriver)?

I was already EXTREMELY protective of my Kaiser, yet somehow it broke anyway. I'm seriously considering selling it and going back to an 8525 after it's fixed. The 8525 was much more stable, it felt more solid and unlike what others have reported, I found it to be significantly faster, especially voice dialing with MSVC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
yeah MSVC..jury still out on that one until i grab a headset.

I find it faster than my TyTn especially with the rom i am using, but it is a bit disturbing to see so many people with a cracked screen.

a plastic tool to open the device would be good, you could get away with a flathead screwdrivier, but higher risk of scratching
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Why did you need both a T6 and a T4? I just received my replacement screen from njbridges (thanks) and it only came with one torx driver, and it doesn't fit (it's too big). I assume it's the T6. I went to the local hardware store to get a T4 but they didn't have one. Now I'm going to have to go hunt for one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
yeah a t6 is to big on the most part t4 or t5 are better options, totally forgot to mention that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
O(^*@$(^$!!!!

I cannot find a T4 anywhere locally. Home Depot doesn't have it, Radio Shack doesn't, Ace doesn't.... arggh!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kendallreeves:
FYI, I too broke my LCD while it was in my pocket. Before I ordered the replacement, I decided to call ATT and they gave me the number to the insurance folks. When I bought my Tilt, the salesperson decided not to take the insurance off.

So when I called they told me that they don't insure the Tilt, as I already know. But she said that since I was a long standing customer, they would give me a courtesy replacement. She sent it out yesterday and I got it today. Go figure!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
lucky you, i havent changed my cell company since 1993 when it was Cingular One, guess it's all in who you get and what mood they're in.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Just a T4 update, njbridges has PMed me and is going to make sure I get a T4 sent out and that they will be included in any future orders. Once again, thank you very much njbridges for your help and great service. I'll post my results once the T4 arrives and I attempt the surgery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
Nice, Goodluck!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tlutrick:
Where did you get your LCD?

Hey guys...reading the post. Broke my LCD this morning. Where's an economical place to pick one up?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rdr408:
This is the only place where I found OEM replaceable parts.

http://cnn.cn/shop/8925-tilt-kaiser-c-277_448.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
send a PM to njbridges, he has it cheaper than cnn.cn and he also includes all the necessary tools and a new screen protector.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swienty2:
I used the instructions described here and it worked perfectly.

I bought my screen at brando.com.hk

Item Code	:MLCDD003100

Item	:HTC TyTN II Replacement LCD Display

Option	:

Qty	:1

Price	: US$82

Shipping Fee	: US$0

Total Amount: US$82.00

and it worked perfectly. about 10 over X-mas for shipping.

Bjorn
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] miketong:
Just thought I'd add my experiences after completing my screen replace.

1) I ordered the screen from www.phoneystore.com $74.99 including screen protector, plastic tool for prising open case and the 3 required screw drivers. I order from the UK and it came in around 10 days.

2) The 4 screws you remove first are visible when you slide out the keyboard, behind the screen part, 2 on the top, 2 on the bottom. Don't confuse with the 3 screws which are into the metal plates further out from the edge.

3) After removing the screws, use the plastic tool on the gap between the shiny black outer rim and the matt black part you removed the screws from. Use a firm but controlled twist to pop it apart on a longer edge first then slide around and repeat.

4) When it is loose, look for a small sliver screw that fastens the front camera assembly to the fron facia and remove. Do this while the front piece is loose but not detached. Enjoy unscrewing this screw as you will not enjoy the fiddly job of getting it back in. There is also a small piece of black rubber that surrounds the front camera. Mine kept falling off. It only fits back snuggly in one orientation. Use the small copper parts to the top and bottom of the camera as a guide to which way round it goes.

5) You should now be able to fully remove the front facisa. When I first did this they button assembly wouldn't detach. It eventually did, but I'm not sure what did it. If you have this problem, gently prise the circuit board with a small screw driver.

6) Other posts mention two ribbon cables but I wasn't sure which ones you could detach. The large one cannot be detatched, the small black one can be, it has a connector similar in type to the LCD screen connector and can be gently pulled off. You don't need to, but you might find it easy to do so in order to detach the LCD screen.

7) Unplug the old LCD, plug in the new one. When I first put the phone back together, all I got was a white screen, this was because I hadn't connected the LCD firmly.

8) Reattach the black cable if you detached it, and reassemble the phone.

9) When the phone is partially reassembled, screw the small silver screw back remember it screws the board to the front facisa not to the back.

10) Snap the front back onto the main part. I had REAL problems getting the case to snap back on the right hand side of the phone. Pressing down didn't work as you need to pinch it together. Pliers may help here, but be gentle!

11) Screw the 4 screws back in and you're done!

Took me around 4 hours! But I got there in the end!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
I'm glad you posted about the white screen issue, that's what I'm encountering. Because I have the ATT version without the front camera, it took me about 15 minutes to get the old screen out and the new one in. There are two cables to disconnect, the screen and the keypad. I did not remove the bezel completely, just on 3 sides and I was able to easily slide the old screen out and the new one in.

I am now encountering the white screen problem and I was pretty sure I had firmly connected the screen, but I guess not. I'll give it another go.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
No love, I'm sure the screen is connected tightly and I still have a white screen. I've even gone so far as to turn it on while I'm pressing down firmly on the connector. This sucks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
on the back of the screen are the connectors both the same colour? (on mine its gold, but apparently there is another type with another colour. I never fully removed the bezel either just poped it out put in the new one and re-conected the connectors (is the thin black one connected as well?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
The connector on the old screen is silver (looking at the back of it where it's flat), it's silver on the new screen as well. I've tried with the smaller connector both connected and disconnected. I've also PMed njbridges to see if he has any ideas.

I also just put the old screen back in to see how that felt when it was connected and had the same behavior (half white above the crack, half some sort of video below it) as before I removed it.

I can post part numbers from each screen as well if that's of interest, they are close but somewhat different. Maybe I'll just take pics tomorrow and post those instead.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
Send njbridges the part numbers, if they're both silver then you should be fine...send the pics our way though
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
When both screens are shown, the one on the left is the new screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
Looks the same as mine, other than the black connector not being properly placed back in i have no clue. And i assume your not in canada (toronto) otherwise i'd try to get a first hand look at it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Right, the small black connector makes no difference and I couldn't get a good pic of the inside with the connector attached. It's also not attached in the pic with the cracked screen so I don't think it makes any difference as to whether the screen works or not.

Thanks for the offer, but as you suspected, I'm near Boston (though I do enjoy Toronto, the Brass Rail still around? :) :) ).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
true, really weird.

Boston nice, and the Rail is still around and infamous as usual
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pete-portsmouth:
hey there, just replaced my screen for £40 ($80) after buying one on ebay and saved myself a heap of cash. it's not easy as such, and is very fiddly as the screen is behind everything else in the device, but it is possible even for someone with shaky hands like me. just be careful and read all of the instructions.

many thanks to whoever did the PDF instructions they were great!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
I just noticed something, if you look at the front view of the pictures I posted above, there is a small rectangular thing on the old screen thats not on the new screen. I pulled a screen out of another 8925 to test to see if it's my replacement screen that was defective and the screen from the other phone worked fine, so my replacement is indeed either defective or the wrong part.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gabriel31337:
Might help

Kaiser disassembly howto: http://www.mediafire.com/?0ly2msnybhb
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Definitely an example of how NOT to remove your screen :). If you want to disassemble the whole phone it might help, if you just want to replace the screen, it's 4 T4 Torx screws and 2 small cables (on the ATT version). I'm an expert at screen replacement at this point, I can do it in under 5 minutes, the majority of the time is spent carefully popping the plastic tabs and prying apart the screen housing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
yeah if i had to do all that i can assure you I would have botched it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MannyNoela:
Well, I also broke my Kaiser today...it fell as I was removing it from my pocket...and the one of the keys on the keypad has clipped off, so I am on the hunt to get a new LCD screen as well as an keypad.

I understand I can get the keypad from cnn.cn for about $10, and the rest of the parts from njbridges.

Once I get these, what are the precise instructions -- MarioNissan and broth?

thanks - MN
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
check broth's post on how he did it for the screeen even when i did it I opted out on taking the front plate off i did the same as broth and opened it enough to pop out the screen and slide the new one in. as for the keypad that is a new one i would check the link to the guide on my signature for clues there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] papajohnnyroad:
robroth

I just ordered an LCD replacement for my tilt. I am really interested in knowing how you disassembled the screen portion of the device only. I would like to avoid taking apart the rest of the phone as you did. With the disassembly process only taking you a few minutes; I was wondering if you could maybe take some video of the process and upload it here or somewhere else. I know that the community would greatly appreciate your efforts. The pics you posted earlier are great, but a video showing how you opened the case and disconnected and reconnected the screen and keypad would be a fantastic resource. Please give it some thought. Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
I just packaged up my dead phone this morning and sent it off to ATT, I'm not up for disassembling my replacement phone at this time. The screen I got from njbridges did not work for the Tilt, so I ended up having to get another phone from ATT. njbridges offered to send another screen, but the ship time is so long and I've been without a phone for so long, I opted to go another direction. I'll explain the details at a later time.

Once you get the tools and new screen from njbridges, it will be pretty evident how to take apart your Tilt. You just remove the four T4 torx screws with the provided driver (I originally received a T6 with mine, but njbridges said he would include a T4 from now on). Then you just use the pry tool (included) to pop the tabs between the frame and backing enough so that you can open it on three sides. At that point you'll be able to easily pop the two ribbon connectors off (a small one for the keypad, a larger one for the screen), then the screen slides right out. It truly is easy, the hardest part is just popping the tabs and separating the frame. You would really have to be very careless to break something on the Tilt (the Kaiser with the camera on the front is an entirely different story, I hear that's a ***** to get apart).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] imasri29:
The only tools iused and worked to dissamble the phone were torx6, presicision philips and a case opener tool.

Unfortunately the screen i got from CNN.CN does not work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Odd, my phone is a Torx T4, a T6 is too big. A philips was not necessary. What does the CNN.CN screen do? Is it solid white? Is your phone an ATT Tilt? If so, it's starting to sound like there might be a screen compatibility issue with the ATT version.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] narc0tics:
Hey guys,

I was wondering if someone can help me out. I recently bought a Tilt(US) (2 weeks ago) and the touch screen cracked(i think, or LCD?). I've been searching around for places to get it fixed but everything seems to be in the $150 range. I'm not sure if I need a LCD screen, Touch digitizer screen, or both. Here are some pictures of my phone, maybe you can help me out

http://www.box.net/shared/static/g801vircww.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/aqoi73io80.jpg

http://www.box.net/shared/static/vjry4n3wg8.jpg

I found the "Touch Digitizer Screen" on ebay for $33 shipped but I wasn't sure if it would fit my phone or if that's what I need.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TOUCH-DIGITIZER-SCREEN-FOR-VODAFONE-V1620-CINGUALR-8925_W0QQitemZ230234135102QQcmdZViewItem

It states compatibility for the "HTC TyTN II P4550 / Kaiser".

I know the Tilt is also called that but does that mean every part is identical?

Thanks in advance for the help guys! and thanks to the guy who started this post!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
Unfortunately I have not seen anyone that has a Tilt report success with replacement screens from either of the two common sources. I'll PM you my solution.

This is the part I purchased:

http://www.phoneystore.com/product.asp?id=114327

While it won't work (unless njbridges has figured out why his part doesn't work on the Tilt), see my PM for a possible workaround.

BTW, the thing on eBay is not what you want.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] narc0tics:
Thanks for the quick reply I appreciate it. I came across this site after I posted and it appears as though I have a broken touchscreen. This website shows a picture of a broken touch screen and it looks similar to mine. what do you think?

when you say the thing on ebay is not what I want do you mean because it won't work on my phone or because I need a replacement LCD? just wondering, thanks for ur help again

http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~ATT_Tilt-974~area~repairs~item~HTC-LCD05~name~AT%26T+Tilt+LCD+%26amp%3B+Touchscreen+Replacement+Service.htm
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
looking at your second picture, it appeared to me as though you were missing the bottom half of your video. if that's the case, then the LCD is cracked. if your video is fine, then it could just be the touchscreen.

personally when replacing my LCD, i did not notice how easy it would be to separate the two (and wasn't even aware it was possible to be honest).

if it is just the touchscreen, you might be in a better place than the rest of us were.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] narc0tics:
Thanks, I haven't seen anything instructions in regards to replacing the digitizer for a Tilt yet. I came across a few websites that talked about replacing the digitizer for other phones and they said its nearly impossible. high chance of damaging the LCD screen as well so I may just go for the LCD+digitizer all together

I pm'ed njbridge but haven't received a response yet so we'll see.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
He's usually good about getting back to you within a couple of days. Obviously you read my caveat in my PM but if njbridges did figure out the issue with his screens and the Tilt, I think we'd all like to be aware of that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] narc0tics:
I found a replacement lcd screen with digitizer at blackberry8100parts.com for $69 before taxes n shipping.. has anyone ever ordered from them before?

will probably place an order later on today and let u guys know if everything went we'll. still haven't heard from njbridges so if anyone else knows of a good place to get the lcdfrom let me know

thanks, will keep u posted
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
That's the best price I've seen for that part. However don't get your hopes up. Two other sources (cnn.cn, njbridges) both advertise their part as TytnII/Kaiser/Tilt but while the screens they send appear identical to the screen on the Tilt, I don't think anyone here has reported success with these screens working on the ATT Tilt. Given that this company is also advertising one part for all phones, you'll probably run into the same issue. If not though, be sure to let us all know.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] narc0tics:
I took a gamble and it paid off.. LCD/Touchscreen works flawlessly. No problems at all. I've had the phone on for about 30 minutes now and everything seems to be working fine.

This part was ordered for a USA At&T Tilt Phone and it worked.

go to http://www.blackberry8100parts.com/ for your replacement LCD

Let them know anthonyjersey sent you.

Thanks guys for all the help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robroth:
phenomenal!! thanks for letting us know.