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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Kisakuku:
Checked my US unlocked carbon gray with Tianma panel and no screen protector while wearing horizontally polarized sunglasses (Oakley Whisker w/ black iridium polarized lenses). Landscape is a little bit dimmer, but portrait is very dark (although still somewhat usable). Wish it were the reverse. Serial is HT64NBNxxxxx, so Taoyuan A, April 22.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] HD2Owner:
first batch of unbranded carbon grey model in switzerland.

sharp panel. no real complains.

in srgb mode it looks a bit on the warm/red side.

in default mode it looks quite neutral.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
Hi, mine has a TIANMA panel. It also has a really pinkish tint (EU - Carbon grey - bought at LDLC).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] or150:
I have a Carbon Grey phone (EU) with a Sharp panel
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mnp:
Mines a UK Sharp panel, but has a strange issue with noise coming out of it. Can you guys put your brightness down to 25%, put your ear to it and see if you can hear a high pitched whining noise coming from it? The noise gets more high pitched the lower the brightness is.

I'm trying to figure out if it is a Sharp/Tianma issue. Apparently the 1.50 base will fix it when it reaches the UK.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nokiacrazi:
Mine too is a Sharp UK device, can't replicate that issue.. I'll try later at night when it's quiet.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steve1996:
Sharp here in Hong Kong
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ibolito:
So apparently only the Tianma panel is affected with the pinkish whites issue, can someone with a Sharp panel can tilt it and tell if it goes pink?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] symy:
Version? Htc 10 Life style?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] racrickey:
I to have the same sound. Very quiet but it is there. I keep my screen at 50% and it stops.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Leica MP:
grey color with sharp panel in hong kong

i buy 2 nos (sold the first one and buy the other batch, late april) of grey color with sharp panel, both of it have pink tilt if brightness less than 80% (not only looking at the side, whole of it is pinkish)

few pages before said after 2 weeks the pink will gone, now i try to use 2 week and looking the changes:(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] PunishedSnake:
Kk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steve1996:
There are no lifestyle in Hong Kong, only China has it. Hong Kong only has the 32gb
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
nevermind
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
if you still dont believe the screen cures itself (tianma)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steve1996:
I'm an audiophile and I don't hear anything no matter how low the brightness is. Sharp, 1.53.708.4
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tonnytech:
Or you could just try reading the past so many pages of thread as already covered :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mnp:
Thanks Steve, that pretty much confirms it then I think. Need the 1.53 base Kernel AND Rom and it should go away. Talking to tbalden (kernel Dev) apparently there are some voltage regulator changes and likely other changes in the Rom that fix it... It's going to be a long wait in UK/EU!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xperia x root:
I have the sharp screen and if I tilt it on white pages screen shows a slight pink to red on extrem angles. Nothing to worry about, because this isn't a common view on a display I think. Slightly tilt or cloloured background you wont recognize any colour change at all. This display is superb in any way, compared to other lcds like the g5 or p9 screen. Really go out in a phone store and compare, there aren't much better lcd's around except the iphone 6s plus screen, which uses also sharp screen.

Edit: JD and sharp seem to be the iphone 6s plus display suppliers. So i dont know to which display i compared my 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] yakultski:
Tianma.. Carbon grey m10h
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ibolito:
You're right, I've should read them there is only 20 pages so far (this is not irony, usually the thread I'm visiting have hundreds of pages)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
[MENTION=2904749]xperia x root[/MENTION] first five letters from your serial please
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
we were wrong about the serial decoding, there is no North American factory lol

completely forgot about this:

http://llabtoofer.com/2015/12/14/htc-devices-serial-number-explanation/

BN is the 10 device ID

so my TW unit: FA 64 C BN, Taiwan Taoyuan B factory, 2016/4/12 HTC10 had uncured Tianma out of box

my cousin's MEA unit: FA64K, 2016/4/19 had cured Tianma out of box

[MENTION=2208282]eivissa[/MENTION] O2 germany unit: FA64N, 2016/4/22 has Sharp

my other cousin MEA unit: FA64V, 2016/4/27 has a Tianma panel (i didnt see it just confirmed the type)

[MENTION=2390514]vegetaleb[/MENTION] MEA unit: FA64V, 2016/4/27 has a gorgeous Sharp

[MENTION=4622949]steve1996[/MENTION] HK unit, FA65E, 2016/5/14 has a Sharp panel

i dont know if there is any relationship between the batch day and the screens, since the end of the serial is the number of units produced in that day and these are usually in thousands, so do they lock a certain screen type to all the units produced per day? i dont think so but definitely the chance of Sharp appearing in the same day as another sharp unit is a bit higher, but as you can see above two EMEA units built in the same day different screen
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
i found the pics i took the moment i unboxed my HTC 10, FA64C, Tianama

Day 0 vs Day 22

massive difference, on defaults, its like another phone
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mark112887:
I've got Tianma
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
hunting by serial is futile:

vegtaleb has a Sharp unit FA64V, EMEA from official Lebanese dealer Go mobile

my cousin has Tianma unit FA64V, EMEA from official Lebanese dealer Go mobile

both built in the same day from the same source and the same region

case closed, serials wont help
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] CrazyCypher:
Where are you guys from? :) Did you buy the phone from a local store or online?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steve1996:
My story is in the mega thread [emoji6]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] earazi:
I have the Sharp panel bought pre-order from HTC UK and I can hear the high pitch sound.

Also the battery life seems pretty horrible (worse than my M8) which GSAM seems to think is down to the screen. I'm actually tempted to contact HTC (although after the pre-order chaos I'm not sure how easy that'll be) and ask them to replace it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hav0c:
Tianma
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cagrimir:
Carbon Grey tianma

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steelmaggot:
32GB Carbon Grey EMEA Sharp Panel
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
first five letters from the serial please
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steelmaggot:
FA656
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bmwbasti:
32GB, Carbon Gray, bought in germany from O2.

Sharp Panel

FA64N
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] preot:
FA654
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] anomalos:
Uk 32GB, Carbon Gray, bought in Italy ,

Sharp Panel .

FA64Y
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
Some news: I asked for an exchange. I received my new one (FA653 - Tianma) on 27/5 and it still has a pink tint but less visible. Maybe it will cure itself later by using it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rdmack:
I have originally put my screen in (sharp) and grey model (bought via htc uk).

Just realised y'all were asking 1st 5 serial digits which is 'FA64X'
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] evak2979:
I must have the sharp panel, because I can see vertical lines in all conditions, not just sunlight..with a couple of them more prominent than the others...

Can sharp panel owners confirm theirs are hardly visible, and that they may go away with time?

Thanks :)

- Edit -

this is the kind of **** that makes me consider a bloody iphone. From samsung's tinted amoled screens, to vertical lines and pink hues, to what not.

Huawei is the only phone that has, so far, behaved. And that's the P9...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bmwbasti:
Did we have sharp displays here that have a pink tint and the tint has gone equal to the Tianma displays?

Because my sharp display has a really noticeable pink tint :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Redimax:
i heard the sharp screen is better, though, not sure how true it is

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i have the sharp and it's perfectly fine when tilted
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] WiseManWhite:
Tiamna

USA, 32 GB, Glacier Silver, bought directly from HTC.

HT64X
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
people with the Sharp panel are reporting worse consumption compared to the Tianma panel, perhaps we should start comparing SOT times with max auto brightness
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 3LD0mi:
Tianma

HTC 10 Black germany Media Markt has the Tianma panel
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steelmaggot:
my sharp panel perfectly fine also
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Leica MP:
my new sharp panel used about 2 weeks, visible pink tilt but better than the first batch FA64C

i put it at the sun light directly total about 8-10hrs within this 2 week

also brought the uv lamp try to dry out such glue

now after 2 weeks, nothing change

i give it up and just manually stick to 70% of brightness to make be feel better:(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
Be careful with overexposure in the sun. Aluminum gets very hot in the sun and can overheat the phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bmwbasti:
@ Leica MP

Oh my dear I could think that this would be the answer :(

Looks like we two are ones of the very little amount of people that have a pink tint on a Sharp display :(

I don't have the time to try and hope if the tint gets away but from your experience it doesn't seem as if the Sharp displays "cure" as the Tianma ones seem to do.

As now the last days of my return period are slowly gone I'm thinking about totally resetting my 10 and send it back. Either sticking for another year with my M8 or perhaps waiting a few months and hoping that HTC corrects the failures of the 10 with a new batch.

It's sad because I really like the 10 (and spend a amount of money for it either... case, tempered glass screen protector, SunShine etc.) but for me a flagship that's at this time the most expensive of all flagships just simply has to deliver more and better :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
Using my unit at 20% brightness auto and can barely see the tint, Tianma almost a month running, why don't you just ask to replace it
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] shankly1985:
Ordered from htc, gray version.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
The problem is that when you replace it you can get a better screen, but you can get a worse as well.

In my case, last friday i got a better screen but it is still pink.

There is a picture of my first one after 2 days of use (brightness set at arround 25-30):

[IMG=""]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3767450&stc=1&d=1464645611[/IMG]

It was worse than what it looks like .

The replacement unit i got has the same sort of pink/red tint but less prononced (i dont talk about the rainbow/fuel effect we can see when we look at extrem angles)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] crazcan:
Mine is Sharp. FA656B
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Leica MP:
this is my 2nd one.

my first one have been sold.

the 2nd one while i purchase, sales let me open 3 box to choose one of it.

3 of it also got the similar result, i only choose the less one.

This one i can accept the pink tilt (much less compare with my 1st one) since its only happen 2,3 times per day (auto brightness <50%)

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In hong kong and taiwan also have users report that have pink tilt

But the other most that not recognize because of they use the warm color screen before (yellowish / redish).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] CrazyCypher:
What do you guys say when you go to replace the phone because of the pink tint? :D I doubt they will want to change it here as it is not a defect ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] skr_xd:
If you can take a 10 with you from your friend or someone without/less tint, you can make them replace. Like I did?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] evak2979:
Is this a tianma, or a sharp? i see vertical lines, so I am guessing sharp?

it's embarrassing having to look for all this s**t when we pay so much money.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gusoldier:
HTC 10 has one of the worst screens I've seen (in a flagship). I have sold mine and I'm back to my M8 again, it's like I'm in heaven again.

Pink tint, bad viewing angle, and the worst: the rainbow effect.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
It was a Tianma and my 2nd one is a Tianma too. I've just sent a Return + Refund request for the 2nd device (under 14days). It is crazy that they don't even check the devices screens for something that cost 749€ (about 830USD).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] evak2979:
I agree...it it insane. HUGELY disappointed at both the S7 and the 10 this year. Like I said, best phone I've used so far is the P9.

And even now I am considering an iPhone, much to my shame. Just to not have to deal with all this s**t anymore for the amount of money we pay...

I would wait for the Sony X Performance, but I am not even sure it is coming to the UK.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] shankly1985:
No problem with my HTC 10 and I come from M8 also. Side by side the 10 wins easy.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Snah001:
Finally I could pick up my 10 at VF.

So will be busy this evening and btw it has a Sharp panel.

Next to my M9 at same 50% brightness the 10 picture quality looks better also.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
You are very lucky guys ! can you eventually send pictures of your 10 at about half brightness and side to your previous devices ? I start to think that i'm maybe crazy ahahah !
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] evak2979:
This is for sharp owners mostly -

does every sharp owner have lines on the screen that are noticeable in usage?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] steelmaggot:
Don't see any lines on my panel

Display seems better on vivid and one notch back from full cold
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] evak2979:
Well I just ordered a white in the UK. ebay, hoping for a Tianma. Let's see what happens.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JohnCorleone:
That's exactly how I am using my phone. I got it at a T-Mobile store on launch day (May 18th) At the risk of sounding lazy and like a noob, I am wondering... what the "tint issue" is with the Tianma panel? This device has been flawless (so far)...knocking on wood :laugh:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
its not only Tianma some rare Sharp units have it as well, but the Sharp is a brighter panel like 50 nits brighter and the issue only appears in low brightness, this is why its more evident on the Tianma, its a gorgeous screen btw super clean whites and grey, zero patterns or lines, also more battery friendly then the sharp (yest i achieved 3h SOT on my first 50%)

to cut a long story short:

out of box the Tianma screen is around 380nits and set to half auto brightness by default, this is when the HTC 10 "shocks" you with the red bias, you set to full auto and the pink disappears, few weeks of use will drive the panel to 415nits as the glue cures, the pink shift will reduce greatly only appearing in very low brightness, sometimes it completely disappears, however i am afraid that the thermal cycle of the phone keeps bringing it back, the end result: the screen is gorgeous upfront but the view angles are not so amazing especially diagonal angles

this guy is claiming an update will fix it, i dont even know how that is possible since the chromatic shift is an evidence that this is an issue of lamination glue

https://twitter.com/the_malignant

if we read this correctly, it simply means HTC intends on reducing the red bias on the Tianma panel to counter the issue (say the glue is causing a red shift, you counter it with color balance by reducing the red or magenta, like we do to fix aging LCD desktop screen) my biggest worry is that if they play with the magenta aggressively we might end up with a greenish screen like the M9....any improvement to this thing via software has to be really subtle tuning
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] bmwbasti:
Hmm, but the Sharp displays don't cure like the Tianma do over time.

So what's the problem with the Sharp displays? Are they some kind of faulty by default? Because it won't get better over time.

I sadly returned my 10 tomorrow. Great phone, but faulty (redish) Shape display and the way too low brightness are not acceptable for the most expensive flagship this time that costs more then 700€...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
I've just returned my 2nd device because the red tint drives me crazy. It was better than the 1st (both Tianma) but not as good as you can expect from a high end device.

I used the 1st 10 during 2-3 days and the red tint never changed

i used the 2nd device during 5-6 days and same thing, it never evolved. I even had an intensive usage :

put it under the sun light for about 2h

put it under an uv led torch (9w) during 1 night (about 7h)

use it at max brightness screen on youtube during 5-6h

use it at max brightness on a white screen 2 or 3 times during 1hour

make it heat using multiple stress tests.

[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] explains the thing and i'm ok with him, the problem comes from the glass+glue combo but not from the lcd itself.

The screen is really superb when you look at it strictly perpendicular at brightness levels higher than 70%. However everybody watch their screens different ways and that 2 strict conditions ( perpendicular view and 70%+ brightness) to say that this screen is good make it actually one of the worst i've ever used.

i'll try to be patient and wait to get a 3rd device.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
i hope you land a Sharp because the one i have seen doesn't have a problem in your scenario

also notice the post i wrote above, about HTC planning to reduce red via color calibration for the Tianma panel even true i dont know how effective this could be, it can make the screen bluish or green when viewed flat....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] deadlynounou:
Same opinion ! It can degrade the view from perpendicular, moreover, a software workarround cannot fix anything. They should simply better inspect sensible devices parts during the assembling/making process.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cobrax2:
sharp here FA653

a little reddish tint
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
to make things worse, i have a friend who ordered from the first batch, both were Tianam one with the reddish tinit and the other was yellowish

maybe HTC is experimenting with glue :laugh:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] py_martinez:
You're wrong!

I have seen just today a HTC m9 in the store, demo unit that is on 14 hours/day,

The screen looked greenish ! So I rebooted the device and it was very green while on the HTC boot screen! And dim !

IT has the worst screen I have ever seen since the "blue" Samsung s2!

The s7 edge seems beautiful but the whites become blue on angles...

The ONLY one i found white perfect on all angles + very bright, is the last iPhone...

I am disappointed !

Envoyé de mon HTC 10 en utilisant Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
You can adjust the screen temperature to get closer to true colors.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] py_martinez:
yes I know but remember it's a flagship...

And you used the word "closer".

Do you thing average people (35/55 years average in France) will bother to do this?

And even with this tip it's far from the good display of the m8. And the display of the m8 is good, not excellent.

believe me or not there was 10 mid range devices in this store (Asus, Huawei, Samsung, LG, HTC desire...) none of them had a shocking first bad impression as the m9 ...

I am an HTC fanboy but I can't lie myself so more.

I would rate the m9 4/10, the m8 7/10, the HTC 10 8/10 despite its chroma shift and polarisation issues, the s7 edge 8.5/10 and the last iPhone 9.5/10 near than perfection.

Envoyé de mon HTC 10 en utilisant Tapatalk

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The iPhone has no tint whatever the angle of view, is very bright, no polarisation issue, and accurate with balance, and colors are very good (not flashy amoled..).

Put the screen of the iPhone on the HTC 10 and it will win the title of best android phone during 2 years!

Envoyé de mon HTC 10 en utilisant Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
like you said this is only the latest iPhone, check the iPhone 5s screen which used to called perfection back in the day, it has exactly the same chrome **** and tint on view angles, also why do you guys keep ignoring the Sharp which has better view angles than the Tianma

anyway here are the numbers for the HTC 10 Tinama panel from Anandtech comparative

as I've reported on the megathread, its out of box around 380nits (like some early reviews said) and later on it cures to around 410nits

i dont get this one, side by side the 10 destroys the M9 in black level but Anandtech is saying otherwise:

the above is not much impressive however white accuracy is gorgeous:

as we all know as well, colours are good, im sure it would score better in sRGB:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
It is sRGB mode, I asked him.

Not sure about temp setting but probably at 0 (-4...0...+4).

But aanyway, the results here are good in my opinion, dE's 3 or below.

And most importantly the WB is sooooo much better.

Take a look at [MENTION=6586604]joshuaho96[/MENTION]'s Tweet: https://twitter.com/JoshuaHo96/status/737771980787613697?s=09
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
im just wondering about his black level scores, that doesnt make any sense the blacks are excellent on the 10 Tianma and definitely better than the M9, any less and you are asking for Amoled

maybe the blacks look so good because of the 2.5D glass high reflectivity and low max brightness
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Well sure the numbers are a bit higher than I was expecting since oh yes, the blacks are really nice.

I even have a contrasty "amoled" wallpapers on my 10 as they're such a joy to watch.

Although I'm not sure how noticeable a 0.04 nits difference is with the black levels.

Maybe they are, who knows.

I could go and take a look at a G5 in the local Elisa shop. You know, compare against it using same images.

It's been there for at least couple of weeks, so it should be nice and baked in by now.

It also happens to be that the max peak manual brightness of the G5 is a little over 400nits according to Anandtech, although it can't sustain it for long, which is close to the 10 max brightness.

"Only" difference being the G5's contrast ratio is 1.7x that of the 10, well sure there's the excessively blue whites and well over 5 dE's.

P.S. I've been using sRGB mode on my Tianma HTC 10 since I got it. Initially I put the color temperature slider all the way to cold (+4) because of the slight pink tinge. But eventually I've been nudging it back. First to +3, then to +2 and so on. Now I'm at -1? What?

Even just +1 looks so blueish to my eyes. I've been looking at the M7 screen for over 2 years and it's white point was over 8000K [and never getting the color adjustment working] so maybe that was another reason why I initially preferred the +4 setting on top of the slight pink tinge.