yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] bodomfan:
Is it louder than dontbelieve sound mod
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] juanman1:
Coming from another rom... I will givea a try to this rom. Any tips or suggestions before flashing?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
I prefer dis buh dnt know.... Except yhu try dem buh cant be used together!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Andrije:
Its not, dontbelive sound mod is loudest on xda for z3 sadly :(

Two front speakers and mid range sound, quiet also:/

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] bodomfan:
Find don't believe sound mod quiet for music as well
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] juanman1:
Hmmm i am stuck in the installation process...It shows 0% since 30 minutes ago.... D6603
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] enelram21:
phone reeboot?

i have z3 purex v3 , and my phone reeboot everyday at 1.00h. help
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] SemBoyHehe:
Go to Settings/Storage and Memory then disable "Smart Cleaner" and reboot ur phone once. Thats it. Keep "Smart Cleaner" disabled at all time.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] enelram21:
thank you!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Enge7che:
Viper4 AndroidFX didn't work with headphone for me.

Only internal speaker works good.

AM3D Equalizer works normal with headphones and speakers.

I have installed Zirene Mod from rom and from orginal thread. Always the same problem.

In every installation i installed new rom, so there are no files from old mods.

Can someone help me?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
I noticed dah too... Guess tha only way is to activate v4a as compatible in v4a app under FX Compatible Mode which ll Disable Zirene Audio Mod for Headphones.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] juanman1:
Any comment? The rom started to install but I didnt.. Still in my previous rom
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Saarvieen Raj:
Try to re-download the rom then do a clean install. Anw I still use V2 cos there's not alot of differences and I installed pexocam and dontbelieve's mod anw
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] juanman1:
Yeap, thank you. Is weird, I downloaded v3, followed instructions set in first post. When it started to install, aroma installer showed 0.00% and after 30 minutes i reseted my device. However, i was still in my previous rom (RXSW Marshmallow Edition).

I am not interested in pexocam or dontbelieve's mod so far, maybe in the future once i have the rom installed. So i guess v2 will be good.

What do you mean by doing a clean install? Thanks mate.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Saarvieen Raj:
A clean install means erasing ur Dalvik, cache and ur data too but not the system
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] juanman1:
I didnt see those options in aroma installer prior to begin rom's installation. Or, should I erase Dalvik, cache and data from TWRP recovery menu and then begin to flash rom?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Saarvieen Raj:
Yup u gotta do it frm the twrp recovery menu b4 u flash the rom mate
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Invain01:
I also have this problem.. Not only with this Rom but with Marshmallow. Bluetooth is weak, as i hav garble problems with my bluetooth headphones,even with other marshmallow ROM..

I rolled back to Lillopop and the problem is gone..

I wonder if the bluetooth is fixed (or got stronger) with this update..since this is the latest one amongst all other roms..??
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] MarkoParkovic:
[MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION] If i would try out to manualy push camera and ported libs from xperia x where exacly would i need to copy them to?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] MarcoReckless:
I'm getting distortion with high volume with v4a :c
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] juanman1:
Same BT problem. The Sound is awful...Sounds like and old cassette. I don think is an android problem since I had another MM rom on my device and sound was ver good. Any ideas on how to fix it? I flashed aroma's Zirene mod
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] kistigun:
You can try this for BT problem: http://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-de...-xperia-x-ldac-ahc-port-enjoy-hi-res-t3370105

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] nhojeric214:
Back cam not working after flashing for D6633. Any solutions?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] chandanbs:
one bug encountered:

when i see any appointment in xperia calendar, i see them on white background and many foreground font letters are ineligible.

on google calendar, everything looks ok..

Looks like intermittent xperia calendar app crashes issue has been fixed in the latest beta .238. (information courtesy [MENTION=5199563]jjwrongjj[/MENTION]).
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] JuanVillagran:
Hey man cheers Purex v3 is doing fine on my Z3, I have a question, is it necessary to disable smart cleaner or can I keep it on?

Thx
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] saba_mehdy:
BUG !!!

hi Rajeev

When the answering machine for

SIM2

activated, the receiver will not play the recorded message for the calls
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] nostromo76:
Dear fellow users, please, anyone could comment on SOT (Screen On Time)? How about your impressions about battery life/drain? (I know it might be too many different opinions, but would like to know your general impressions).

Thank you!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Andrije:
Hy, I get around 5:30-6h of moderate usage(50% brightness, sometimes more, browsing facebook, messenger, instagram, tapatalk and playing games roughly 20min, wifi most of the day)

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Nekser1208:
What do you recommend to choose mod sound ?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Jdubs23:
I'm trying out the Existenz MM rom and haven't had any issues with bluetooth streaming. It must be something to do with v4a on marshmallow specifically I would assume. Might try out other sound mods and see which ones work best in the meantime!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Z1 vn:
Back cam not working after flashing for D6603
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Everything working fine here. Do a fresh install ;)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Do a fresh install. Everything working fine here. ;)

Yes. Otherwise u will get some soft reboots while u are using ur phone. So its better to disable it. ;)

Sorry buddy. I don't have any idea about dual sim :confused:
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] nhojeric214:
Flashed directly from freshly installed kk actually.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] valentinrascu:
Locked bootloader also??? I have dual recovery

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Yea u can install this rom in Locked Bootloader.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] chandanbs:
I too had this issue.. I also came from Lp. Problem was I had selected pexacam which is v7 not supported on z3 marsh (v8 is). Install the stock camera mod. Your back camera will work.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] MCM4u:
Hey [MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION]

Here's a mirror to PureX V3

PureX Z3 MM v3 (Mediafire)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Thanks for the mirror. Will add to OP soon ;)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] MarkoParkovic:
Is there new beta .238 out yet?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Pandemic:
No !
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] jberzins802:
Encryption on D6603 won't work

Hi there,

Fantastic rom so far!

I tired to encrypt the phone, but it fails in middle of the process and only way to get it working again was to flash clean FTF and then this rom.

Does anyone else has issues with encryption? Has anyone else tired this at all?

Thanks!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Friends

I will release an OTA update for this rom (v3.5) soon with some changes and some Xperia X stuffs. PureX Z3 MM v3.5 will be the last update until new BETA or new Sony official MM build. OTA v3.5 is done already. But my data pack is over. So i don't have any way to upload the OTA. Till i found a way to recharge my mobile pls wait all.. Thanks .. Sorry for my english :p
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
Hey bro, pm sent.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] ubercool786:
Does this rom support volte in d6653 single sim version
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Andrije:
Any changelog?

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] :
Do someone test this already? It works?

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Thank you for your hard work my brother!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] j4y_z:
You need to enable Zirene in Audio Settings after flashing.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] stevenwtchan:
Brother,

I found that MM 6.0.1 has problems in reading internal SD card and otg USB finger at the same time. If only read the internal SD card, it us OK. However if I add the external OTG USB finger, the external OTG USB finger will cover the internal, so you cannot access the internal one. This case will not happen in LP 5.1.1. If you have time, please have s look at this problem.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] kistigun:
Works for me

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] :
Do you have any mirror for this ZIP. On that thread there's no link and the following pages no link either thanks brother

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If you enable zirene "TURN ON" then good music quality on BLUETOOTH STREAMING? Can you confirm this?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] StruttinSoul:
I looked through his android file host and I'm going to assume it's in here and labeled Xperia_X_LDAC�_AHC�_Audio_Port_by_androidexpert35.zip

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=35180
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] strykershy:
Back camera not working!!

Guys my back camera ain't working after I flashed. Urgent help needed. Plz let there be a fix
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] j4y_z:
Yes, I can confirm this, that's why I posted it. I connect my phone to my car via BT every day, so when I had crappy sound after flashing this rom, I turned on the equalizer (used custom setting) in Zirene settings and pressed the TURN ON button in the top bar. I got awesome quality immediately.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
If yhu select PexoCam mod den v7 isnt compatible with MM.... Download latest version from here and flash......

http://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-pexocam-t3359898
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] strykershy:
I already did. The back camera is not working in all camera apps. Snapchat, whatsapp, camera 360, pexocam v8. Etc. Plz help. Isn't there some update zip to fix this bug. Flashing and re-installing my apps everytime is really starting to piss me off. Thanks in advance for any help!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Pandemic:
Flash v8.5 of pexocam

V8 is old please see the thread !
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Andrije:
Reflash the rom, clear cache and dalvik cache before and after reboot and let it settle for 10mins, then reboot it and then should work, you should give it a try! Cheers

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] strykershy:
Thanks but one quick question, should I flash the entire mm rom or just the pexocam zip?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] StruttinSoul:
FYI this is the right file, I flashed it and my car sounds good over Bluetooth again - maybe even better then before
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Andrije:
So, backup your data from apps and etc. Go into recovery wipe data, cache and dalvik cache, after that install Raajev rom v3.0, after installation wipe again cache and dalvik cache but no data, reboot it and let it settle for 10mins, after 10mins without our precious phone :D reboot it and start using it. Post the results

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] strykershy:
Thanks man. I would try that tomorrow and give you the feedback.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Friends

Here is the pre changelogs for PureX Z3 MM v3.5 OTA. Not a big update. OTA is not a full rom. So u can simply flash OTA updates without any wipes..

AROMA v3.5 OTA (FEATURES INSIDE AROMA)

MAIN ROM FEATURES

Added Some Extra Fonts To Font Selector ( PureX Menu)

Added Xperia™ X Home v.10.0.A.0.53 by [MENTION=4931701]Ben Ling[/MENTION]

Added Xperia™ X Calculator

Added Xperia™ X Photoslide Show

Added Xperia™ X Skin Core

Added Xperia™ X Theme Picker

Added Xperia™ X Support app

Added Xperia™ X Backup and Restore

Added Xperia™ X World Clock Widget

Added Xperia™ X Conversations

Added Xperia™ X Phonebook

Added Xperia™ X Clock

Added Xperia™ X Photo Editor

Added Xperia™ X Update Center

Added Xperia™ X Qualcomm Assertive Display (Thanks to [MENTION=6318692]AutumQueen92[/MENTION])

Added Xperia™ X Framework & Animations (Thanks to [MENTION=2902434]Pandemic[/MENTION] for file)

Fixed Xperia™ X Smart Cleaner Issues (Thanks to [MENTION=4686081]DeathZeroFx[/MENTION])

Added Sony Xperia™ Notes

Fixed Some Updater Script Lines

DUAL BLACK UI

Option To Choose Grey Black Version of PureX Z3 MM v3.5

Option To Choose Deep Black Version of PureX Z3 MM v3.5

Option To Skip Black UI

CAMERA MOD

Added PexoCAM v8.5 by [MENTION=5952312]ja1378[/MENTION]

SOUND MODS

Added BASSULTIMATE v14 by [MENTION=4170892]dontbelive[/MENTION]

Thanks to [MENTION=4931701]Ben Ling[/MENTION] for the deodexed Xperia X system apps

A big thanks to [MENTION=5503871]Beetle84[/MENTION] for donating me again. Thanks a ton bro.

FRIENDS , PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST​
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
Yaaga..... Thumsup bhai :good:! Hope yhu uploading soon....

Hope to donate soon... Money is very scarce! :(
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] nostromo76:
Email client does not work with exchange or Gmail account, please someone could provide flasheable zip (maybe from previous version)?

Thank you!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
Hi, try this:

https://mega.nz/#!XVRACZ4Y!q6SDMD-O9Y2usnONOhwAkanekXw-1f3syV6f3J2EQjo
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] nostromo76:
Thank you, I flashed it and worked perfectly!

But, after a system reboot I lost all my configured mail accounts (which I set up after flashing the Email ZIP).

I re-configure (add) all again, but after a new reboot I lost them again, again and again...

Someone could help me? Thank you very much in advance!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] MCM4u:
There's already v14 out now :p
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Added already ;)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] xrickx123:
plz release & upload :)

plz release & upload :)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
Noobish post... Please be ease with yursef and post something great!

Thanks
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] :
Show some respect
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Pandemic:
Stay away from XDA if you act like that rude boy !!

NO ETA ALLOWED !!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] davidmilfont:
I am using ROM for a week and every day the phone restarts a 3 times, sometimes when I'm on whatsapp or watching videos. Any tips?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Hei dude. Simply read my OP HELP DESK. U can get a fix from there. Its called "Smart Cleaner".. :D
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] davidmilfont:
Sorry about the lack of attention, thank you.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
No idea why you are losing your details mate, i use the same apps and my email always stays configured.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] :
Thanks brother! Works OK! :good:

I'll try flash this file for superior quality
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Friends

PureX Z3 MM v3.5 OTA changelogs updated in Post Number #553. Pls take a look..

Also looks like its time to build PureX Z3 MM v4 based on latest beta.. Will start work after getting the ftf and releasing v3.5. Version 3.5 OTA should release before tomorrow night. Stay tuned for this simple rom..

Also so called Xperia™ X Smart Cleaner issue is fixed now in v3.5. No more reboots. U can always activate it..
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
Dahs great news.... i trust yhu on giving tha best!!!

Greetings to lil #princess
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] xrickx123:
Fixed Xperia™ X Smart Cleaner Issues (Thanks to [MENTION=4686081]DeathZeroFx[/MENTION])

sounds great & already in pre changelog, so i dont have to learn bak/smaling :good:
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] nostromo76:
Dear fellow ROM users, please, someone could tell me which emial application should I use to connect to Exchange?

I do use ROM's included email application, but Exchange provider does not appear listed.

When I flash Sony's eMail application from previous ROM version (which correctly list Exchange provider), my configuration is lost after a cellphone reboot.

Thank you very much in advance!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Guys

Added Xperia™ X ported Camera with working Object Tracking. Its seems better than other camera mods. Credit goes to #jjwrongjj for porting it
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
Good news buddy...... Yaay?!!!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Pandemic:
Nice bro [MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION]

Btw check your whatsapp :)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Saarvieen Raj:
[MENTION=7342698]Rajeev [/MENTION]wesome to hear can't wait!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] strykershy:
Hey Rajeev ur Rom is awesome just one problem. My back camera ain't working even after flashing to 8.5 version of pexocam. Hope u can fix that in your next update. For now I'm using another rom but it ain't as smooth as urs so Godspeed on the update. Cheers!
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] xrickx123:
Same problem @ me D6603 pexo 7 & 8.5 aint working. unlocked also. Only stocked works. am3d first, after 2 clear caches and 1 install again with all skip options worked.

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somebody have a guide around there how to change the service company of the number assistant ? the standard chinese one doesnt work for me (europe) ? i activate it, but it disables itself again.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] strykershy:
Okay I would try that but I will wait for update first. Thanks though!

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Sorry that was meant for xrickx123. Lol
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Friends

Seems Smart Cleaner is not fixed. Got several reboots at mid night. So same as before "just disable it".
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] comax70:
Unluck camera and exposed...gravity..androify n..contextual header..

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] rezapn1255:
Hi ? all

Every thing is ok ? on z3 dual till now.

By the way, I installed upsm instead of stamina mod .

It works very well.

Thanks Rajeev

And a question ❔

I upgrade the file commander to premium and now it's some logy when entering.

Any idea ? please?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Not related to rom. Related to xposed u choose
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Due to bad ram management from Sony. We should wait for next update from them..
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] comax70:
I don t tink used this in all rooms

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] minumsosro:
hi bro, how to backup my current rom?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
This rom is working for every one with Xposed.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Use TWRP or PhilZ Touch or CWM Recovery bro
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] davidmilfont:
I would like to improve the audio?

Here was too low.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Try any sound mod bro
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] davidmilfont:
Installed "Stereo Sound Mod + Dolby Atmos BASS", but to no avail.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Xperia S black:
After 2 days using this rom. I can say. Battery ? life is very good.. Fast smooth... Thank you Mr. Rajeev.

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[Xperia Z3 Android Development] evilz3r0:
call record is posible in mm? can i go back to lollipop by just flash it ?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] FalleN_lMaster:
Working for Xperia Z2?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
After flash Stereo Sound mod + Dolby Atmoss Bass it will integrate to system. U can't see any Dolby app. Use ur headphone for Dolby and play in sound settings for speakers.. Everything is working fine..
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
May be in future.. U can go back to Lolipop by restoring ur backup..
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
No
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] brayansanchez18:
HI friend

The sound mods have a problem with microphone in earphones during call o the bug still?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Yes. But u can simply change the headphone selection from menu to fix that
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] brayansanchez18:
Is this the headphones selection menu?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Hm. I will try my level best buddy. But i don't face any problems u telling. Anyway just wait for v3.5
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Brothers

PureX Z3 MM v3.5 OTA released and OP updated with download link. U can turn Smart Cleaner on and test. If u still face random reboots then simply turn it off.

OTA update is just a small update. So u don't need to wipe data or system. But simply wipe cache and dalvik cache after flashing v3.5 OTA.

Updated installation instructions also
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
Grey black apps arent installing [MENTION=5733758]rajeev.[/MENTION] I followed installation steps.

I will try deep black and report back to you.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
OTA v3.5 or v3 ? Which version bro ?
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
V3.5. Its only the new xx apps that arent being themed, phone/messaging/clock for example. Settings app is fine, just seems to be the new xx apps. Deep black is the same.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Quoclam851995:
after flash v3,5 i lost theme, clock,
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] chandanbs:
[MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION] the 3.5 OTA is super smooth. unlocked cam is working good (need to try out some monson snaps !! :) ).

no reboots with smart cleaner yet (never faced it in 3.0 also: yes its enabled).

grey black skinning is alright.

clock and theme are working fine (the default ones i had on 3.0 are intact).
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
With the update unzipped, the black/deep black app and priv-app folders only contain settings.apk. The update is working perfectly otherwise mate, good job.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Gladyator23:
Hi [MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION], a very good rom, :good:

Thanks for your all hard works,

One question, have you Exchance2 zip folder for this good rom,
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
I don't understand
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Thanks bro but i don't understand " Exchance2 zip"
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Actually there nothing difference in X apps and Z3 apps. Thats why i did not waste my time to theme them. ;)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Gladyator23:
For Sony Email,
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Nope. I forget. U have to take it from v2 zip. In v4 i will include all ;)
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Saarvieen Raj:
[MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION], can I install the 3.5 Ota frm V2 PureX p
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Quoclam851995:
can you mod FULL SCREEN CALL on incall ui of xperia x
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] whalesplaho:
i dnt think dats possible.... v3.5 is for v3.0!

its called OTA update!

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[MENTION=4970751]Rajeev[/MENTION], im a fan of yur black mods... please mind theming them since we all migrating to Xperia X apps!

please bhai:good::good::highfive:
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Beetle84:
What ive done is flashed V3.5, made a backup of the settings.apk, flashed ONLY the grey black apps from V3.0, then changed the settings.apk backed up from V3.5. Working fine for me, saves a lot of time on Rajeev's part as well.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Saarvieen Raj:
So do the xperia x apps remain or are they replaced
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Xperia X apps are gone.. But u don't feel any difference between X apps Z3 apps.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Will do in v4.
[Xperia Z3 Android Development] Rajeev:
Will do in v4