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[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Jrocker23:
I saw the benson review, that was for different cables.

This is on amazons site for the 3 pack

AUKEY USB-C to USB 3.0 Cable Durable Nylon Compatible with Apple Macbook 12" and more [3-Pack 3.3']

by Aukey

4.6 out of 5 stars 50 customer reviews | 4 answered questions

#1 New Releasein USB-to-USB Adapters

List Price:	$25.99

Sale:	$19.99 | FREE One-Day

Delivered tomorrow for FREE with qualifying orders over $35. Details

+ $0.00 estimated tax

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In Stock.

Want it tomorrow, May 4? Order within 11 hrs 20 mins and choose Same-Day Delivery at checkout. Details

Sold by Aukey Direct and Fulfilled by Amazon.

***USB 3.0: Conforming to the USB Type C Specification version 1.1, 56kilohm, standard identification, which ensures a safe charging at 2.4A Maximum and the speed of data sync up to 5 Gbps. No damage to your legacy USB hub.***

USB C to USB 3.0 cable: Universal charging with your legacy USB Hub, PCs and chargers, no need to change another charger adaptor for your new USB C devices.

Reversible Connector & Sharer: The user-friendly design makes you insert the connectors the right way at every time, and plug and unplug easily without checking for the connector orientation.

Premium Aluminum housing and sturdy nylon fiber jacket: Adds the durability of the cable and reversible design of the USB C helps you insert the connector to your devices in a right way all the time.

Better Heat Dispersion: Aluminum case with anodic oxidation technology ensures better heat dispersion generating less heat and cooling down quicker than similar cables.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I just found a listing for three 3.3 foot cables that seem to be the same cables that come in the five-pack:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C2NNG12?psc=1

The listing seems to indicate that they are 2.4 amp cables:

"USB 3.0: Conforming to the USB Type C Specification version 1.1, 56kilohm, standard identification, which ensures a safe charging at 2.4A Maximum and the speed of data sync up to 5 Gbps. No damage to your legacy USB hub."
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
Ok I am gonna buy 3 Xiaomi adapters as all my micro-usb cables are branded and don't want to throw them, for data connection I will use the one that will come in the 10 box for fast USB 3.1 speed.

For 2$ piece it's perfect! (and approved by Ben)
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
The cable that comes with the phone is USB 2.0.

Also, to clear the misinformation:

That just means that they're now conforming to the USB Type-C specification (which the previous cable Benson reviewed (2star) was not).

If you use this cable with Chromebook Pixel for example, the Pixel is not going to try to draw 5V 3A.

It's going to draw as much current as the

charger will support.

If the charger can output 5V at 2.4A then the Pixel will draw 2.4A.

Just because it says "ensures a safe charging at 2.4A" does not mean it has thick enough conductors to actually support that much current.

But to be fair, most of the reviews say either "it's a sturdy cable" or something along those lines. Or "not so flexible" which is a tell tale sign of thick wires inside.

For example if it's 24AWG it can support 2.4A quite easily. Voltage drop from input 5V > output 4.6V which is just fine. Not the fastest possible charging or the most efficient but good enough.

http://www.calculator.net/voltage-d...e=1&distanceunit=meters&amperes=2.4&x=112&y=5

If you guys want a dedicated charging cable, this is what I ordered for my 10.

Not sure how much the shipping cost is to USA though.. For me, including shipping to Finland under 8€.

http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-charge-sync-usb-c-cable/

It has 20AWG (!) conductors and since it is "Charge+Sync" = it has the data wires inside > Quick Charge 3.0 will work (digital handshake).

It also has the (infamous) 56kOhm pull up resistor so it is Type-C compliant.

Only 1 meter length available at this moment though they have other cables with selectable length > maybe in the future they will offer longer or shorter cables if that floats your boat. If you really want 1.5m or 2m cable, send them a message and ask.

Disclaimer: DO NOT buy

this

RED cable if you want to use Quick Charge 3.0

http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-data-block-charge-usb-c-cable/

It's a charge only cable = NO DATA wires > Quick Charge will not work.

The green cable I linked will work with Quick Charge.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
BTW what is the max write speed of the 10? If a USB 2.0 speed is covering it I have no problem using 2.0 speed, my 64gb SD card PNY Turbo is about max 80mb/s

I am not interested by the QC 3.0 thingy, I barely use the QC 2.0 I have
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
USB 2.0 certainly does not cover it. Sequential read/write 170/100MB/s. USB 2.0 tops out at around 30-40MB/s.

http://anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results

Do keep in mind the NAND HTC 10 uses is iNAND 7232 from Sandisk.

It's a TLC NAND with an SLC portion of the NAND acting as a cache. The size of this cache is in the neighbourhood of 0.5-1GB.

Think off Samsung 840 EVO or 850 EVO SSD's and the Samsung "Turbo Write".

Same thing basically.

The reason I mention that cache is because I do not know whether that 100MB/s write speed is the, uhm, "constant write speed"

Or rather: is that 100MB/s the

speed of the TLC

the speed of the SLC cache

or something in between. I'm gonna make an educated guess and say it is the speed of the TLC.

Since SLC cache is more than likely considerably faster than "just" 100MB/s.

Like in that "Samsung turbo write" link, the SLC cache is bottlenecked by the SATA 3.0 AHCI interface, which tops out at around 530-540MB/s.

When I get my phone and my USB 3.0 cable, I will test and see how what the transfer speed looks like both ways.

Although I'll probably get my 10 either this friday or next mon/tue, USB 3.0 cable won't arrive until late next week.

If you don't know what that SLC TLC stuff means...I'm gonna have to give you a sort of a crash course

If you do know, feel free to skip the spoiler

Basically they're different ways how you store data in flash memory.

SLC stores 1 bit per cell, MLC stores 2 bits per cell and TLC stores 3 bits per cell.

SLC needs 2 voltage states (0 1)

MLC needs 4 voltage states (00 01 10 11)

TLC needs 8 voltage states (000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111)

.. to differentiate between the different bits

To differentiate between those states you need a controller to scratch it's head and more states you have the harder it is.

And the more voltage states there are, the easier it is for the voltages to "drift" and make it harder to know is that 001 or 010??

There's also a need for error correction because of that.

Write speed: SLC very very fast mmkay, MLC quite fast mmkay, TLC sloooow.

TLC is "cheap" as it allows quite literally triple the amount of storage in same area compared to SLC.

To combat the slowness of TLC, the Sandisk iNAND 7232 uses a portion of TLC as SLC.

When you write to the phone, for example transfer photos to phone, the photos will first go to the SLC cache and then they will transfer over to the TLC storage.

Read: the SLC cache is there to speed up the transfers.

If you want to know more or read better explanation > look at the Samsung Turbo Write link again.

Read that article, especially page 3.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
But couldn't it be a "sturdy cable" because of the braiding material around the outside. It may have little to do with the wire that actually makes up the cable, right?.

These cables are actually available on Amazon, with free Prime shipping, and in lengths of 1 foot (2-pack), 6.5 feet, and 10 feet as well:

http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Andr...=UTF8&qid=1462378958&sr=8-6&keywords=portapow

But reading some of the critical reviews, I'd be concerned about investing a lot (I'm going to purchase five or six cables) in these, since the warranty is not a lifetime warranty. Some of the critical reviews are pretty bad.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I believe the link you posted there is micro usb to USB-A, not USB-C to USB-A. I think this one is the one you were looking for: http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-100c...qid=1462380674&sr=8-6&keywords=portapow+usb-c

The shipping time on it kills it though... ugh
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
You are absolutely correct! Apologies for my error.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I received a response from Aukey:

So they confirm the cables are 3 Amp and Quick Charge 3.0 capable. I find this interesting since the Amazon post with three of these cables say 2.4 Amp capable. I sent another e-mail requesting the Wire Gauge (AWG) of the cables and will post that once I receive it.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I received the following response from Aukey:

--

Thanks for contacting us.

Sorry for my delayed response because we just get the reply from our supplier.

The braided USB A to USB C (USB 3.0) cables are capable of 3 Amp charging. And they are 2P* 30 AWG.

Hope it helps.

If you have any other problems, please feel free to contact us again.

Best Regards,

--
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Interesting... How the hell would 30 AWG cables support 3 Amp charging and Quick Charge 3.0?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
That was my thinking as well, but I didn't want to say anything in my post (or in a follow-up response yet) because I thought perhaps, as a novice to all of this, I was missing something.

So Aukey's response really doesn't make sense, right?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I am also a novice with this stuff unfortunately. lagittaja helped me understand it a bit more, but I'm still not 100% sure. If I recall correctly, the lower the AWG, the thicker the cable and less power it loses while transferring from the charger to the phone. 30 AWG sounds REALLY thin to me. lagittaja mentioned the cables he was going to get were 20 AWG, which is VERY thick. I am probably going to return the Aukey cables and get these: http://www.amazon.com/Orzly®-Certif...018F8BGLA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

They support 3A and Quick Charge 3.0... I'm just waiting to hear back about their AWG.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I received my Verizon HTC 10 today and tried out these Aukey cables. They seem to work just fine and were showing in the Ampere app to be pulling around 2960 mA which should be right around 3 Amp, so they appear to be capable of 3A. I checked the 6' cable as well and was pulling the same/similar mA, so as far as I'm concerned these should work perfectly! Anything else I should check? The Checkr app doesn't work with the HTC 10 yet unfortunately
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
Yeah, 30AWG is thin. Even the regular 5V1A is pushing it.

Of course it's not so bad on higher voltages, the whole point of QC3.0 of course is to use the higher voltage which will reduce cable loss if there's any.

And what's the charger you're using?

HTC's Rapid Charger 3.0 specs say 5V/

2.5A

, 9V/1.7A and 12V/1.25A

The few unboxing videos that have showed the charger up close have had the same numbers. Can you verify?

Of course those Rapid Charger 3.0 numbers are different compared to other QC3.0 chargers, for example Tronsmart and others list their QC3.0 chargers with 3.6V-6.5V/3A, 6.5V-9V/2A and 9V-12V/1.5A.

Which is odd to say the least. I tried asking Jeff Gordon, he just buried his head in the sand not understanding.

Sent a DM to HTC_UK on twitter, maybe they'll forward it to some tech department.

And hopefully this time someone actually gets back to me, when the 10 was announced, I asked them about the SD card speed spec (UHS-I v. II), they couldn't answer it so they said they'd forward it along someone who knows the answer if I'd give them my info. Didn't hear anything back..

Edit: Although it, the 2960mA number, reminds me of my partner's LG G3, if my memory serves me correct it was showing 2960mA in Ampere the other day when I was comparing a couple of cables hooked up to it's 5V1.8A charger...Or something around that amount of current. Which would be physically impossible.

And it was on Marshmallow as well. I had just finished updating the G3..

Though it's probably not the fault of Marshmallow, Ampere worked just fine on my sister's Z3 Compact when I tried it, I think it was also after I had updated the phone to Marshmallow.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I was testing with this QC 3.0 Charger: http://www.amazon.com/Charge-Anker-...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
Yeah, well that makes more sense. But could you actually check your Rapid Charger 3.0 if the specs are the same as I listed? No need to take photos or anything, just a short yes/no is sufficient.

But anyway, even if the cables are 30AWG it can still pull that around 3A but at what voltage?

If the cable is 30AWG, then it's 30AWG. It's diameter is ~0.255mm and the copper resistance is about 0.3386 ohms per meter and you've got two conductors.

Vdrop=IR > 3*(0,3386*2) = ~2V drop.

So is the charger pumping out 5V3A and phone receiving 3V3A? Which doesn't make sense as it would be shoving 15W of power down the pipe and the phone only receiving 9 watts, wasting 6 watts of power as heat in the process.

Or is the charger compensating for the cable loss and essentially pumping out 7V and ~2.1A?

But the phone wouldn't be saying 3A then would it..

If Ampere is correct and it's actually receiving 3A, then the charger would be pumping out 21W of power (which it isn't capable of) and losing 6W of power as heat in the cable. Which makes even less sense.

What is Ampere actually "measuring"? What sensor is it looking at.

Is the sensor going to be able to tell what the phone receives through the usb port vs what the phone is converting inside?

The charger could be pumping out 12V ~1.25A like it says on the spec sheet for all we know and the phone is converting that into somethingsomething inside and Ampere reports 2960mA because reasons and unicorns?

Just sounds more and more in my head that Ampere is just full of itself.

I wish I'd have a USB power meter for testing this but there's so few models available that can actually handle upto 12V in/out, and if they can handle it they're 25€+.

I don't want to buy one of those cheap ones and just instantly fry them nor do I feel like shelling out that much money for a doodad I'd only use a couple of times..
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
Laptop USB 3.1 gen 2 port C to C charges normally

Laptop USB 3.1 gen 1 A to C charges normally

QC 3.0 charges rapidly
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
The Anker Charger is a 31.5 W charger. Here is what the Charger says: QC3.0 Output-3.6-6.5V 3A/6.5-9V 2A/9-12V 1.5A

I'm not sure exactly what Ampere is measuring... I know it also lists Voltage and a few other things, but I'm not exactly sure. I know that when I connect it to my laptop to charge (with the HTC cable) it showed like around 1500 mA. I also tested Ampere with the Anker charger and compared that to the mA of the HTC charger with the HTC cable and they were both around 2960 mA, give or take a little.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I wound up ordering Monoprice cables. They're 24 AWG, and have a lifetime guarantee. For the quantity, I'm definitely paying a little more, but I've been wasting so much time on this, and time is money too, so...
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Are those definitely 3A capable? They do look very enticing... The lifetime warranty is nice...
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I would have sworn someone up thread said they were. (Now you're going to make me go back and search for it!)
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
That's what I use. They are and they comply with USB 3.1 gen 2 standards(C to C) and Gen 1(A to C).

---------- Post added at 07:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:15 PM ----------

USB 3 cables from monoprice vs. Standard USB 2.0 cables. Can't tell if you guys can tell the thickness.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] epsix:
I can't find monoprice usb type c 3.1 to A Male usb 3.0 transferring rate up to 10gbs
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
3.0 = 3.1 gen 1. There is no such thing as 3.0 anymore.

---------- Post added at 08:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 PM ----------

You will not find a Gen 2 USB A iirc as the port itself can't handle those speeds. Also the HTC 10 only supports gen 1.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] epsix:
Gotcha, I'm so warned out on searching on Amazon. Haha

http://www.monoprice.com/mobile/pro...categoryid=10303&subcategoryid=1030319&cpncd=

This should work right? And lifetime warranty [emoji1]
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
That's the one I bought along with a C to C.

Here's more info on what happened to 3.0.

https://gaming.msi.com/article/usb-3-1-gen1-gen2-explained
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I bit the bullet and ordered the Monoprice cables too. I ordered this one: http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030319&p_id=13002&seq=1&format=2 along with 2x 6ft cables and 1x usb 3.0 cable. I'd rather be safe than sorry and will be returning the Aukey cables

Edit: Hopefully the Monoprice cables support QC 3.0.... I thought I remembered someone saying they did, but I can't find it right now... ugh
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Chatted with Monoprice support... here is the exchange:

Seems they are not 3A capable... though I don't know if that TRULY matters as they are Quick Charge 3.0 capable and 24 AWG?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
Yes those are 2.0 cables and pull 2.4A.

The 3.0 cables should have higher ratings.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Well... according to support these cable don't support Quick Charge 3.0 either... ugh... This is driving me crazy...
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
Quick Charge 3.0 is backwards compatible... If the cable "supports" QC2.0 then it will support 3.0........

The CS rep is full of himself and doesn't understand how they work.

For quick charge 3.0 to work the cable needs to have the data wires because there's a digital handshake that needs to happen.

As an example

this one supports QC3.0

http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-charge-sync-usb-c-cable/

this one does not

http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-data-block-charge-usb-c-cable/

The difference is that the red cable doesn't have the data wires, only the power wires.

Also "Yes those are 2.0 cables and pull 2.4A.

The 3.0 cables should have higher ratings."

No.

QC3.0 is an efficiency improvement over 2.0.

There's no speed benefit.

There's no higher current.

There's only the efficiency improvement because of the "INOV" or basically more voltage states possible.

QC2.0 allowed 5V, 9V and 12V states.

QC3.0 allows 3.6-6.5V, 6.5-9V and 9-12V, in 200mV steps.

---------- Post added at 06:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:42 PM ----------

No. Whether the connector is regular A or B or C doesn't matter.

It's a CONNECTOR. Whether or not it supports the completely different USB technology standard is a whole different story.

There are USB 2.0 A ports, there are USB 3.0 A ports and there are USB 3.1 A ports.

Afaik officially they're black, blue and teal respectively..

As an example here's a USB 3.1 Gen 2 A-C cable.

http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F2CU029/

And just as an extra information regarding the color, it's not mandatory. For example that belkin cable has black A connector despite it being a 3.1 Gen 2 cable.

Whether the A (or B) connector is teal or blue or black or whatever the color from rainbow depends on the manufacturer.

Some motherboards have red connectors. Some have green like Razer laptops.

Some cable or motherboard might have pink connector if that's what floats their boat.

But yes, the HTC 10 is a USB 3.1 Gen 1 device or in other words what we used to know as USB 3.0.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
When I went to the Monoprice site, to get the details for the post above, I saw that they had a $5 off $25 offer today only, and also a free standard shipping offer. I called just a few minutes ago, and they were nice enough to adjust my order of two days ago for both those current discount offers.

So if you ordered recently, you may want to give them a call, and if you haven't ordered yet, today looks as if it might be a good day to do so.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] fadi669:
I got this yesterday from Amazon and it supports Rapid Charging. The FAQs said that it is approved by Benson Leung.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] afuller42:
I went with THESE cables from amazon and for a car charger going to try THIS out.

went with the type c to type c, not the 2.0 cables with type A
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] zambalik:
It says 2 parallel wires each of 30 awg which is equivilant to 1 wire of 15 awg... think of it as. 2 resisistances connected in prallel... review ohm's law for more details...
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
First, i just want to say one thing, i love you <3
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Ma7moud Mana3:
reboots Randomly :(
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
You are not the only one, after i installed i have a lots of rebots,over and over again. But when i take out my sim card everything works fine...
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Ma7moud Mana3:
any solution for this problem without taking out my sim card ??
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
I don't know, my sim is pin locked,after i put the pin, in the moment when the phone get the signal he restart, so now i want to take out that stupid pin and try again.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Deleted member 5746995:
Let me look into this tomorrow
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] BECKHAM 7:
Keeeeeep Goooooooing i love rr thanks for your great work
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
The problem is still there, when my phone get the signal is restarting over and over again,i tried other gapps too because i thought it's some sort of incompatibility or a bug or something like that but didn't help
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] galfit:
Tested for about 12 hours. Battery is good!

I just have one random reboot until now. Everything works fine, except Titanium Backup that is unable to restore correctly data.

One thing: the boot is slow: about 2-3 minutes.

Thanks anyway for all! :)
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] atoprak0:
It works very well into the hands of health thankyou
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] atoprak0:
BaNkS_Dynamic_GApps_6.x.x_1-26-16_1504 flash Running smoothly
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Deleted member 5746995:
So the error was caused by the GApps package?

I'm currently recompiling RR.

We have to understand that this is an old device. Currently I think it's not even about being a "legacy" device, but a "historic" one.

If indeed the GApps package is the problem, I'd recommend doing a clean flash of the original 4.2.2 stock through Odin, install recovery, flash latest TWRP and try to flash this ROM again.

I expected a lot of errors using CM13/AOSP 6 ROMs and GApps packages. My phone is so damaged that I can't even properly use the USB port to do a stock flash. I'm currently running CM11 and I didn't expect any error. Truth is our phone is old. It can barely support new CM ROMs since KK. Errors are expected to happen. And sometimes (just like in my case) there is no explanation for it and it can be fixed just by testing. It seems the phones are reacting differently to everyone. And might depend on the flashing historic anyone did.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
I don't think the boot is slow, but i saw thatm after boot, the phone vibrate and if you press the back or menu button it will vibrate again but on the screen it still show the RR logo, i think it;s more kind of a bug
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Deleted member 5746995:
The version I compiled today is online. Just so we can see if the problem was source related.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] Sheldd:
Downloading and installing, i will come back to say if the problem is fixed :good:

For now everything it's ok, anyway i use other gapps than OpenGapss, but the gapps i use now i tryed yesterday too and i got that reboots, but as i said for now everything it;s ok, i will come back to say if i find other problems xD