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[Xperia SP Android Development] Arvind7352:
Update!

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[Xperia SP Android Development] finnal123:
Can i flash this rom over xenonhd rom without losing data?
[Xperia SP Android Development] Limakos:
Rule is that when switching to different rom you should perform clean install.

Sent from Samsung T800
[Xperia SP Android Development] finnal123:
oh man, i want to keep my games's data! :p
[Xperia SP Android Development] ongkhel:
i think you can backup it using titanium
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
I have found 2 models on Amazon of adapters Micro USB to type C so I won't throw my 3 extra chargers in the garbage.

I will use the HTC stock cable that will come in the box of the 10 as data cable (PC), 1 cable micro USB that I will use with the stock charger, and 2 others for QC 2.0 chargers.

From what I understand, the Aukey is USB 2.0 to Type C 3.1 from the reviews it can drive Chromebook pixel and N5x which are Type C 3.1 but won't use data with OnePlus phones that are USB 2.0

The Xiaomi is advertised as Micro USB 3.0 to Type C 3.1

Note: All the cables on which I will add the adapters are USB 2.0

So which one I should get? (Aukey pack of 3 is perfect for the price)
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
Be very careful. There are some non-spec USB-C products out there, and they could blow up your device. This problem has been written up on several of the phone websites, and Amazon will not knowingly sell any that are not up to spec. The following tester/reviewer on Amazon has reviewed a lot of the good and the bad:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp?tag=phandroid-20

Go with his 4-5 star rated products.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
Thanks.

He gave both devices 5 stars.

But would the usb 3.0 one be better if my cables are 2.0?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Kisakuku:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/review/R1OEQH5IMIQSQK

The Anker adapter is very nice and also got 5 stars from Benson.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
I dunno if you've looked at Monoprice but they've got approved USB-C cables as well.

http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c

Monoprice cables are lifetime warranty. I just had 10 cables swapped out under warranty, they stand behind them.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
Yeah I meant Anker, I always lose words between anker and aukey lol
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Kisakuku:
Well, the photo in your post is of an Aukey adapter. Notice how it has a seam on the USB plug, so it's a stamped plug. The Anker adapter has an extruded plug, which is much more durable.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
HTC said usb type c 3.0 or 3.1 could distort the display

They state this execuse when they were asked why they are Shipping 2.0 cable with the 3.0 charger.

For me I purchased 2.0 usb type c it supports qc 3.0 and it's safe
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Do you have a source for this? I was under the impression that the cable was type c 3.1 and the charger quick charge 3.0...
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
Heard this in a phone review

This guy was invited for htc10 launch

https://youtu.be/JBO-aM_cdDs

Check from 6:50
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
The phone supports 3.1 gen 1. The cable used is 2.0. If you go to HTC website and check the accessories they only have a 2.0 A to C cable as compatible accessories they sell.

---------- Post added at 10:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 AM ----------

I don't buy it could distort the display. I have a few 3.1 cables I will try out.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Thank you for the source. So does that mean I shouldn't buy any 3.0 cables from Amazon? That was going to be my plan...
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
I don't recommend

2.0 is supporting quick charge 3.0 so it's enough

Be careful maybe by long term the 3.0 or 3.1 cable can distort your display.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] j0zu3:
I just chat with support from here http://www.htc.com/us/contact/chat/ and the guy told me is safe upgrade to 3.0 if is certified (i dont know what does it mean, im not english native)
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
As you wish

You know in every organization there is some employees know and some don't know any info. Even in hospital you can find doctors with wrong information and some with right information.

I don't trust those live chat guys they are themselves not htc certified ;)

For me I won't move too much data

I only care about quick charge 3.0 which is thankfully supported even in 2.0 usb_c

So it's better for me to be safe.

I distort my M8 screen by charging it from high powerbanks.

Did slightly the same on my M9

And I don't want to repeat it on the 10
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] j0zu3:
Thats true, and i didnt gona buy any cable too, but seem weird to me that it have 3.1 gen 1 type c and didnt support a 3.0 cable

I actually was thinking in buy a quick charge 3.0 powerbank but now im reconsidering all my live :confused:
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
Mate

It supports

It comes with 3.0 charger but with 2.0 cable

If you buy 3.0 cable It will support but it's not safe in long term use.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] j0zu3:
Is my point, againg im not english native so meaby im not explain my self or i dont understand correctly

why the phone come with 3.1 gen 1 usb - c port if conecting a 3.0 cable can damage the phone in a long term use?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
Because usb_c port only supports 3.0/3.1

But there are many cables for this port like 2.0/3.0/3.1

And htc say best for screen safety is 2.0

2.0 can charge very fast and safe.

I hope this explains everything
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
Question for you:

In order to take advantage of the fastest charging speeds QuickCharge 2.0 or 3.0 supports, wouldn't you need a USB 3.1 cable?

See the 2 attachments for basic 2.0 vs 3.1 USB and QuickCharge specs.

I say this because a standard 3.1 cable should be capable of passing upto 7w while a 2.0 cable is limited to 2.5w while USB-C 3.1 is somewhere near 20w

Also a 2.0 cable max's out at 12v while a 3.1 cable has a ceiling of 20v needed for QC 3.0.

The reasoning appears to be how a 3.0 cable is built with extra pins specifically for passing added power.

I must be missing something here, it appears that QuickCharge 3.0 is pointless on the HTC 10 using a 2.0 cable with the exception of it's more intellegent power throttling.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
That's is wrong... If USB Cable supported only 3.0 or higher then the One Plus, Nexus 5X, and 6P wouldn't be using type C connectors and they only support 2.0 transfer speeds.

If the screen problems are from 3.1 then it's stupid for HTC to have 3.1 in their device. I still don't buy that's the reason.

I would buy costs and overhead are the issue.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
EDIT: type C connector has nothing to do with being 3.1, 3.0 etc. However all USB 3.1 ports are type C.

You're right though as the A end of the HTC cable is 2.0 utilizing backward compatibility making the USB-C essentially a 2.0 max connection. You know, "fastest speed of the slowest part" etc.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jsaxon2:
USB Type-A connectors are supported in every USB version, including USB 3.0, USB 2.0, and USB 1.1.

USB 3.0 Type A connectors are often, but not always, the color blue. USB 2.0 Type A and USB 1.1 Type A connectors are often, but not always, black.

Source: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/termsu/a/usb-type-a.htmhttp://
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
I agree somehow of what been said here

But that's why htc is saying 50% in 30mins

That's fast but maybe not qc 3.0 for me

I am not defending htc they could be lying about this.

But I personally distort my M9 which support qc 2.0

Thats why I think charging with less volt like 2.0 is fast and enough for me.

If anyone here insisted on cable 3.0/3.1 I wish him Goodluck

But again I don't trust sd820 to handle this in long term.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
QuickCharge 2.0 + QuickCharge 3.0

OP I apologize as we've taken this thread partially off-topic.

That being said, this is good conversation and information.

Yeah, I'm aware of the differences in colored connectors and cable specs, one quick correction on what you posted as USB 1.0+ and 2.0+ have specific different colored connectors.

USB 1.0+ - White connector (USB 1.1 cables sold generally meet the specifications for USB 2.0 and will still have white connectors, this is what you are referencing)

"The USB-IF says all fully compliant USB 1.1 cables sold also meet the specifications for USB 2.0 Hi-Speed (although low quality, non-compliant cables may not work at the higher speed)."

USB 2.0+ - Black connector.

USB 3.0 - Blue connector.

USB 3.1 - Teal connector.

Red, Orange or Yellow USB connector - Sleep and Charge - NOTE: Qualcomm is using Red for QuickCharge ports.

Personally I believe you on the screen distortion although I've not ever seen it myself.

It's interesting to note there are only a few differences between specs on QuickCharge 2.0 and 3.0.

It's mostly about charging efficiency and battery health, more than speed as they're both 18W max power. Of course specific hardware can produce differing results.

The primary difference is dynamic (intelligent) voltage throttling to better charge a battery as it nears it's maximum charge.

QC 2.0 - 5v / 9v / 12v step voltage.

QC 3.0 - 3.2V - 20v dynamic voltage.

My understanding is a 2.0 cable has a max voltage of 12v. Using a 2.0 cable with a QC 3.0 means you get the dynamic power throttling but cannot take advantage of the full power and speed of QC 3.0

I'd guess a 3.0+ cable would be fine for data transfer because of the much lower amperage and voltage of a PC USB 3.0 port.

I bet we'll see some smoked handsets from people who try to use USB 3.1 on QC 3.0 (it's happened to me several times simply using bad cables and stock 5v,1a chargers).
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
Jeff Gordon tweet

Check out [MENTION=501059]urbanst[/MENTION]rata's Tweet: https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/723032157082374145?s=09

I fully agree with you.

Now if 2.0 can give 12v. Then I think it's enough and htc has nothing to gain.

I mean its related to cost of 3.1 cable. Then why they are shipping the 3.0 charger?

Powerbanks and bad cables are the main factors in distorting new devices.

Look at htc A9. 2100mah battery and support qc 3.0

But even when I charge it with normal 1.0 charger. It flies

Apple is playing this safe. Small batteries and normal chargers typically very fast. Due to small mah.

Can't really say more till we get this in our hands. If 2.0 can get this job done in a bit more than an hour. I am satisfied
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
HTC is driving me slowly crazy with the differing information.

I read the tweets and 1.2A is really low although it's made up for with 12v instead of 5v (Traditional HTC chargers are 5v, 1a)

Jeff's comment about 12v, 1.2A is probably because it's a USB 2.0 cable and the 12v is the maximum the cable can carry.

It's still a QC 3.0 charger which even at 2.0 speeds still has benefits.

His other comment about it being 3.1 is the Phone itself. The port on the phone is USB_C 3.1 spec. I think he's confused about the cable.

Hit him back on Twitter and simply ask him what color the "A" end of his cable is ;)

EDIT: I replied to your thread on Twitter and asked him about the cable.

If he says Black, it's a 2.0 cable. If he says Blue it's a 3.0 cable. If he says Teal it's a 3.1 cable.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] imOJ:
I am sure you are right

He is confused.

3.1 cable + 3.0 charger + 3.1 supported port and then 50% in 30mins is simply not right. Unless if the cable/charger incapable.

I have zenfone 2 with qc 2.0 and and it charges 60% in 30mins. Exactly same mah 3000

What I am thinking

HTC afraid of not including qc 3.0 because the closest rivals got this.

So it's there as a name and hardware. But they don't want heating issues which will result in update fixes, warranties claims of maybe screen distortions (specially if users using while charging) this also will cost htc.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
Getting back on topic:

Those adaptors are fine but won't function properly with QuickCharge 3.0 unless your cables are 3A capable.

I bring this up because you may be disappointed/confused about the performance using the old cables.

Taken from my post in the QuickCharge thread:

Cables - must be 3a capable to support Quick Charge 3.0 (monoprice 2.0 USB A-C are 3a capable)

I dunno if it's an engineering difference in cable/pin design between USB 2.0+3.0 cables that perhaps changes how the phone talks to the charger and may be to blame for supposedly distorted screens.

I'm sure you've all already seen this but I'll leave it here for reference. Was helpful.

http://the-gadgeteer.com/2016/02/19/lets-talk-about-quick-charge-3-0-and-usb-type-c-charging/
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
I will get the Aukey 3 pack, I don't care about QC 3.0, I just need the phone to recharge at normal speed or max QC 2.0
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I'm confused... I thought only the USB-C to USB 3.0 cables were 3a capable? Ughhh this is all so confusing. Most listings on Amazon don't specifically list if they are 3a capable. So what is the benefit of getting a USB 3.0 cable over 2.0?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] haZethew0rld:
So after dealing with Moto support many times somehow I ended up with two 25w turbochargers, one of them is being sold with the phone and the other one I plan on keeping. I'm wondering if I could just buy one of those Micro USB to type C adapters and use it safely with the 10.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
Forget the the UBS-C connectors and USB 3.0 standards.

Cables and amperage ratings are just physics and math. It's science, no hoccus poccus or silly marketing or snake oil for that matter.

3A "capable" just means thick enough wire.

http://xdaforums.com/htc-10/how-to/usb-type-c-quick-charge-3-0-t3363577/post66508338#post66508338

Too long, didn't read?

Long story short, there's certain amount of resistance even in copper despite it being an excellent conductor.

Electrical resistance (ohms) means that the magic pixies traveling along the cable hit their head against somethingsomething and as a result cannot reach their destination. And create heat in the process.

The thinner the wire, the higher the resistance. The thicker the wire, the lower the resistance.

Got that?

Thicker cable is better mmkay? AWG (American Wire Gauge) number is reverse, lower=thicker higher=thinner mmkay?

USB spec is 5V and allows 11-12% voltage drop.

Voltage at the other end of the cable must be atleast 4.40-4.45V

Most USB cables have 28AWG wires.

5V 3A + 1 meter + 28AWG = 3.72V

That's too thin, you'll want at least 24AWG.

5V 3A + 1 meter + 28AWG = 4.49V

Supposed to be 5V 3A = 15W

28AWG = 3.72V 3A = 11.16W

24AWG = 4.49V 3A = 13.47W

20AWG = 4.80V 3A = 14.40W

Thicker cable:

=higher voltage

=higher power as current stays the same

=higher efficiency as less power is wasted as heat in the cable

=faster initial charging (0% > idk 80-90%)

Did I already say that thicker is better? Also: ladies
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] vegetaleb:
Finally I will get Xiaomi micro-USB to Type C adapters, they are cheap on Aliexpress and approved by the Google guy, the time I will get the 10 (in a month) they would arrive at my home.

Now if the 10 is USB 3.1, the adapter is 3.1, the cable 2.0 and the PC USB port 3.1, will I still have a speed limited to 2.0 or something in between 2.0 and 3.0?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Thank you very much for the explanation. This leads me to my next question... How do I know for sure they are Quick Charge 3.0 capable? When looking through Benson's reviews on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp) what exactly am I looking for in his reviews that let me know the cable is 3A and thus Quick Charge 3.0 capable?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Thank you very much for your detailed responses. I am having trouble finding AWG listings on the products on Amazon. I have been looking at many of the cables (like Anker and this one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0185440DU...olid=5P429B9BAMD6&coliid=I1K8XVALL9NTKS&psc=1) and can't seem to find AWG specifications anywhere. I like the idea of nylon braided cables, but not sure how well they would hold up. Any advice on how to find out the AWG specifications? Or should I just go with the cables on monoprice since we know they are 24 AWG power? Thank you again!
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lagittaja:
I usually just Google it, might take a while to rummage through all of those search results but oh well. It also helps to "have an eye" when looking at those cables, if it looks thin then it probably isn't low enough gauge.

Like I said, if the manufacturer doesn't tell what the gauge is, I personally wouldn't buy it. Or if they don't claim that it's 2.4A or 3A capable.

Also, never heard of them (Ankovo) as a brand and they only have a single cable on their website. Meh, idk.

But they do say it's "2.4A capable" so it might as well have 24AWG wires inside although at 2 meters long that's not thick enough nor does it look any thicker than the monoprice cable.

Maybe if that Ankovo cable was 1 meter long, I would believe it can support 2.4A like they claim...but not at 2 meters long as you'd need 22AWG or thicker.

And how about the Anker? They look thin to me. And few of the reviews also say something along the lines that they're thinner than expected.

I'd go with the Monoprice cable if you can buy it. We know it's good quality.

And btw, I would stick with the 0.5meter or 1 meter length with the Monoprice cable.

2 meter length uses the same 24AWG wire and at 2 meters the voltage on the other end is down to 4V with 3A current, or 12W.

So if you want fastest possible charging get the 1 meter cable or heck, maybe even the 0.5meter if you can live with that short cable.

My recommendation would also be to buy a separate cable just for charging.

If you want a fancy looking cable and that floats your boat, get one for data transfer :D

And it also makes sense to have a separate cable for data transfer, the thicker the cable the less flexible it is. A thick cable hooked up to a computer might be a little awkward and/or unwieldy.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Great! Thank you so much for the information! You have tremendously helped me understand this!
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Genetic517:
Google's USB-A to C says it's capable of 3a. It doesn't say how thick the cable is though.

https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I've read this entire thread. Before doing so, I had not realized that there were different kinds of USB Type C cables, and that some would not charge at the full capabilities of Quickcharge 3.0

I have a couple of remaining questions:

Is it correct that to maintain the best possible battery health of my soon to be delivered HTC 10, I should always use Quickcharge 3.0 chargers, even if I'm not concerned with how long it will take to charge? (For example, the charger near my nightstand, that I use to charge overnight, I would not need to upgrade to Quickcharge 3.0, as the time it takes to charge won't be an issue, unless I'm correct in understanding that for the best battery health, I should always use Quickcharge 3.0 chargers.)

The second question is assuming that it is true that to maximize battery health, Quickcharge 3.0 chargers should be used, is it also important that 3 Amp cables be used as well, again with the understanding that I may not be concerned (if not using a 3 Amp cable) with minimizing the charging time. In other words, if I upgrade all my chargers, but on a couple of them wind up using older cables, is the only downside that the phone will charge more slowly, or will I possibly be also not maximizing the battery health by not using a 3 amp cable every time I charge?

I think I'll be purchasing some cables from Monoprice. The question is how many.

I have already ordered several Quickcharge 3.0 chargers from Amazon, and had, mistakenly, ordered this 5-pack of Aukey cables, but I now realize these cables are not 3 Amp capable cables, so I'll wind up returning them once they arrive.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B634WNK/

Thanks in advance for the assistance.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Jrocker23:
How did you find out they are not 3 Amp?
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I'm assuming they are not based on the fact that they don't indicate that they are, and based on how inexpensive they are.

The Monoprice cables, that are 3 Amp cables, which are known to be good quality and not expensive, are more than twice the price. I just can't imagine the Aukey cables could possibly be 3 Amp cables at that price.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Jrocker23:
I bought these as well and searched everywhere and nothing stated they weren't 3.0 but i saw a bunch of reviews including amazon that say they work great. I think they will be fine
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I'm pretty sure they are 3 Amp cables because those cables are specifically advertised for Apple Macbook/Chromebook Pixel, they better be able to support those kinds of power levels, eg they would quickly get flak if those were not good cables. One "Answer" says it is Quick Charge 3.0 compatible, but I'm not sure how reliable that is.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
After your post above, I started researching things more, and have now written to Aukey to ask them directly.

I did find a review of the cable on their site by Benson Leung, and he stated that that cable was not a USB C compatible cable, and rated it two stars, but the cables in the 5-pack look different.

I also found reviews of the five-pack cables that indicate that they are 2.4 amp cables.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Please post their response as I am very interested in the answer.

I also purchased these cables, but thought they would surely be 3 Amp since they are marketed towards Macbooks and Pixels.
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I saw that answer too, but discounted it.

This was the review that stated they were 2.4 Amp cables:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-r...=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01B634WNK
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I would still find it suspect that a 2.4 Amp cable could charge a Macbook at a decent speed... I think the cables would have very poor reviews if they weren't 3 Amp... but I guess hopefully Aukey will answer for sure
[HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I'll post Aukey's response.

I also posted a question, asking for the source of the specification, in the reviewer who stated the 2.4 Amp figure, since in his review he offered to answer questions.