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[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nedwards:
Hi there,

I've been cruising these forums for a while and have managed to root my device, get adb setup, and TWRP installed. An unfortunate bit seems to be that you cannot leave TWRP installed and actually boot the device. I managed to get stuck in a boot loop having not restored the 5.4.1 bootloaders. I turned the device off and rebooted into TWRP, flashed the 5.4.1 bootloaders, rebooted, and I'm golden. However, this doesn't really get me anywhere.

So my goal here is to just wipe all this FireOS crap and turn this tablet into a normal android tablet. I've seen plenty of posts about it but cannot seem to find any single post that would achieve this for my specific device and software version. So I'm coming here for help.

Mostly, what I have done so far has come from this thread: http://xdaforums.com/fire-hd/general/how-to-upgrade-to-lollipop-root-gapps-t3163950

Unfortunately, from what I can tell, this process does not remove FireOS and replace it with stock Lollipop, it just updates you to 5.1.2 (which I'm already at) and installs GAPPS. It does not really have a "pure" Android install and it somehow retains the FireOS as the primary OS.

Now, please correct me if I am wrong here with any of the above (this is not a hobby of mine) but since I've rooted a few devices before I figured I could handle it. It seemed like a bargain getting this Fire HD 7 used for like $64... if only I can get it onto stock Android. I'm basically trying to make it a Nexus 7.

Since I CAN get into TWRP, I figure I should just be able to flash a custom ROM right? I've just been having a really hard time finding a stock Lollipop ROM specifically for my device. From what I've heard, flashing the new ROM is the most error-prone part of this type of stuff and can totally brick the device if it were not meant for it. If that did happen, I would need to be able to boot the device back up, get an adb connection, run the scripts that flash the correct bootloaders (post #2, section 101, from the link above) so I can reboot into TWRP and fix it. Perhaps understandably so, I've been very hesitant to just go trying things willy-nilly that I don't fully understand.

Could anyone offer any assistance? Perhaps just point me in the right direction? I've probably read most of the threads you'll likely link, so a short bit of context to how something pertains to my specific device as well as the link could help me significantly. The guides that people write usually contain updates and are quite difficult to follow to the "T" and half the time I'm not even sure something I'm doing actually pertains to my device.

[EDIT] I found this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c5hHSCO_o8) but it looks like he's doing that on a previous generation Fire so, again, I'm not sure it will work and don't want to try and then brick it.
[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DoLooper:
You seem to have the gist of it, which is that what you want to do can't be done. There is only one ROM for this device--CM11, here: http://xdaforums.com/fire-hd/orig-development/rom-cm-11-kindle-hd6-t3270138 --and it is not fully working. No one's ever posted here about successfully installing a ROM for a different device, only about bricks as a result of trying.

[MENTION=7391912]xSentinel[/MENTION] has been disabling all possible apps, while still keeping the device running. His goal may be the same as yours(?). He started a thread here, but has since got a lot more disabled: http://xdaforums.com/fire-hd/help/5-1-2-bloatware-safe-to-remove-apps-2014-t3355167. Might want to post there and see what he's up to.
[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nedwards:
Ah, that is unfortunate. At least you've helped me to understand that my goal cannot be fully realized. I probably should have done a bit more research before purchasing the Fire tablet. I'm really just looking to set up an in-car tablet to handle Torque guages, navigation, and music. Perhaps I should just return the Kindle and shell out the extra cash for a Nexus 7. I think I could probably get a refurbished one for a price similar to what I paid for the Fire. I'll poke around xSentinel's thread a bit and see what I'm up against first though. If it comes down to it, the headache of dealing with Amazon's locked down devices might just outweigh the extra money/hassle of a Nexus 7 and a return.
[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DoLooper:
You also might check out the Fire forums. (I got a refurb for $30.) They have a few ROMs and are doing interesting things. Also, lots of activity over there.
[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bibikalka:
Some people may strive to be "purists", but remaining pragmatic is a recipe for relatively happy life ;)

Because the bootloaders are locked, there are very limited options on what to boot. There was some lucky bug in the earlier bootloaders that gifted us with the ability to boot an unsigned TWRP using 4.5.3 bootloaders. But boot.img always had to be signed, or it would not boot.

To create a custom OS, one needs to match the custom ROM to the existing boot.img from a given version of FireOS. Kind of pain in the @ss, don't you agree ?

Instead, however, one can just keep FireOS 5, and tweak it to behave like almost a pure Android. And it's not hard ! So why chase the unicorns when all you want is right in front of you ! :D
[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bluesforte:
I'm currently working on completing a CM11 port - as someone else mentioned it needs to use the stock boot.img though, so I have to heavily modify CM code in order to get it to work with full functionality. CM11 does run very well on the device though, and it's much snappier than Fire OS imo.

In theory this device could use something like safestrap to boot unsigned boot images, however I probably won't bother writing something like that until I have CM11 at 100% functionality (currently my build is at about 60% if I were to estimate).

I think the guy who posted the first CM11 port is now working on porting CM12, although it's a massive pain to test.
[Fire HD 6 and 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhricik447:
Just so you know it can be done, I am running Torque on a Fire HD 6 and still running thr Fire O.S. There is also a similar app to Torque Pro in the Amazon app store - search for OBD and it should see it (sorry I can't give the name, soft bricked the device and won't be near a computer for another 4 days) It is similar in capabilities to Torque Pro, and runs around the same price.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S6] GayCasper:
I just bought a Tmobile 128gb off ebay. How would I go about to get it unlocked so I can use Straight Talk?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S6] Androidps3:
Stifilz2@gmail.com. i went thru him. Idoneapps is said to be good as well.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
I have tried 3 different S7 and one of my friends S7edge and all 4 have been inferior in their quality and visuals in gear vr (this also seems at least to me to carry over to non vr use as well) So i decided to capture video and show a comparison between the s7 and note 5 in gear vr especially while playing gunjack, but this happens in all apps and games to some degree but its noticeably worse in gunjack. I didnt play as long with the s7 because the flicker makes me nauseous.

S7

[YOUTUBE]E78SHXsDJkU[/YOUTUBE]

Note5

[YOUTUBE]mrRywfEZ_B0[/YOUTUBE]

Also I did two more videos showing how the GS7 fails to render edges as smooth and clear as the note5, these are best viewed on mobile devices but are also easily noticed on pc platforms. Please forgive the watermark at the beginning. Please full screen to fairly compare the two.

S7

[YOUTUBE]ITM4eGDQZjM[/YOUTUBE]

Note5

[YOUTUBE]KFrrVDFsy0Q[/YOUTUBE]

I have even compared the S6 and it performs better graphically although it overheats faster.

Any thoughts?
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
Exynos or Snapdragon? Probably not as optimized for the S7 yet (most games came out long before the S7 was released).
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
Snapdragon. This happens even in oculus home, also the stair stepping wavy boarders are out of game. I video chatted samsung last night and showed them the videos, they are pushing it to some tech that looks into and breaks devices just to fix problems, and he he couldn't figure it out he woukd push it further up.

I have heard exynos is running pretty smooth for the most part... I have done some benchmarks with different tools that seem to indicate that while the cpu and gpu of the snapdragon is much faster than the note5 and s6 exynos, the I/O gets rated much slower. Could it be bottlenecked?
[Samsung Gear VR] Eddie Hicks:
I have a S7 edge and I play Gunjack. My S7E in no way has that jerky movement displayed on the video. If it did I wouldn't use it. Mine work about the same as your Note 5 example. I'm curious if this is happening with any other S7 owners. I had also had a S6. I couldn't use my Gear for more then 10 minutes with the S6 before I got an over heating warning. The Gear VR resolution is sharper on my S7E then it was on my S6.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
There are a those in both the gs7 and gs7edge boards on xda mentioning this, and some on the galaxy gear board. Over at the oculus forums some are also mentioning they have similar issues plus a friend of mine is having it as well. I know at&t and sprint variants have this. Maybe Verizon doesnt?
[Samsung Gear VR] Eddie Hicks:
I'll search around to see who else is experiencing this issue. I don't have a Note 5 to compare, and viewing comparisons on Youtube video's is helpful but not the same as doing it yourself with the actual devices. Maybe in some ways the Note 5 works better with Gear VR, the only thing I can say for sure is I do not have anything close to that herky, jerky movement on my S7E that was displayed on that video. I learned over the years that even though you may have the exact same device there could be differences in how they work. For example, I have an issue of an overly sensitive touch screen on my S7E. It is so annoying I considered returning it. There are many others experiencing that issue. But most don't have it or don't consider it a problem. So maybe I'm the lucky one in regards to performance with my Gear VR.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
http://xdaforums.com/mobile-vr/gear-vr/choppy-video-s7-edge-t3359051

Just below this thread in gear vr board there is someone with an s7edge same issue.

I agree some are superior to others. But still shouldnt be this bad with so many. Including the issue you have with the sensitivity. Mine seems not sensitive enough i have to at times double touch things sometimes triple touch. My wife has bemoan that she hates her because its to sensitive opening stuff she has not touched and clicking while scrolling

I feel the s7/s7edge is the most buggy phone i have ever used from samsung and im a samsung fan boy and dislike the new flagships

http://xdaforums.com/mobile-vr/gear-vr/choppy-video-s7-edge-t3359051
[Samsung Gear VR] Eddie Hicks:
I'm in the same boat as your wife. I'm constantly opening apps and links inadvertently. I had a S6 for about 4 months. I got rid of it because of a very poor battery life. I didn't have that screen sensitivity issue with my S6. Maybe they rushed these S7's to market too soon. There are too many inconsistencies with performance.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
Yes i agree, i had two and both have issues the first really bad so i returned it. Now my wifes the one so sensitive is developing issues where it black screens and wont respond nor power down unless i hard reset with volume down and power for 10 seconds. I guess another going back.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
So i decided to actually monitor how much of the cpu had to be used to run both oculus and also gunjack and compare between note5 and s7, again the results show that the note5 has to use less processing power then does the s7 whats interesting is that I decided to do a 2 minute log of an idle device on both as well, and the s7 has to use more processing power for the same system apps than does the note 5.

S7

[IMG="S7"]https://15254b2dcaab7f5478ab-24461f391e20b7336331d5789078af53.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/oculus.vanillacommunities.com/editor/2i/idckvekelz20.jpg[/IMG]

Note5

[IMG="Note5"]https://15254b2dcaab7f5478ab-24461f391e20b7336331d5789078af53.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/oculus.vanillacommunities.com/editor/dk/f7nkano1k7ha.jpg[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
Probably calculating the percentages differently as the S7 snapdragon only has four cores, so if it uses two cores it's 50% on the S7 and 25% on the Note 5. CPU really isn't what you should be looking at anyhow as the GPU is doing much of the work. There really doesn't have to be any other explanation at this point than that the apps for oculus aren't optimized for the Snapdragon SoCs just yet and it is probably going to take them awhile to sort it out. Would love to try it out on my Exynos version to see if it's a SoC-issue or something else, but the game is really expensive for something I'd just use to test it out.

Have you tried to contact the developers of Gunjack?
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
Gunjack is the most pronounced. It happens everywhere in oculus, including home. Thats why one video shows the lack of smooth boarders on boxes just in oculus on the s7.

Plus i notice the s7 lags everywhere. Even doing common every day task, compared to previous s6 and note devices. Have ran test showing the snap dragon variants of s7 and edge has less i/o scores then previous gens as well.
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
Which tests? Care to post your results? Never seen anyone with lower scores than previous generation. Have you tried a full reset and updating it to the latest apd1 firmware? Sounds like something is wrong with your phone. Maybe a faulty nand-chip or something.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
Tested 3 galaxy s7 and one galaxy edge with three different benchmarks tools showing lower i/o on the s7 and s7edge than note 5 and s6, processor and gpu did score higher but lower i/o means bottleneck. I believe thats the reason for the jitter and shudder when browsing playing vr. Most of my post have been over on oculus forums with pictures. https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/33459/galaxy-s7-gear-vr-issues#latest
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
Really wouldn't trust a beta benchmark (you only used Vellamo for some reason), and in 3DMark the S7 Edge gives you a higher score, but runs a bit hotter (still means it is faster). Why not try Geekbench (which most people use to measure single and multithreaded performance)? And Androbench for storage. I mean I am getting even lower IO scores than you and I have no stuttering (but topping the benchmarks by a fair margin in Androbench and Geekbench, so I think Vellamo shouldn't be trusted).

EDIT: Even my Note 4 it outscoring my S7 in Vellamo, so yeah that should already tell you a lot about how trustworthy the numbers are.

EDIT2: https://www.reddit.com/r/GearVR/comments/4ak3nv/galaxy_s7_stutters_like_crazy_compared_to_s6/d11jomb

"Carmack said it is in fact due to the software being unoptimized. Said s7 launch was rushed to the gates and they were not ready."

So there's no real performance bottleneck just unoptimized software (still wouldn't explain why there aren't more complaints and a lot of people saying they aren't seeing any issues).
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
I did run geekbench but it doesn't show i/o, everyone that shows i/o shows a considerable less on s7, quadrant is another that does and antutu, and those two show ram as better in the note 5.

Never ran storage on s7, so will now.

What variant do you have?

The s7 seems to have the largest variation in performance between multiple devices i have seen based on response from people, but all the ones i have tried have been poor compared to what some get, others have said their's are poor as well. A flagship shouldnt be so inconsistent between devices.

So ran androbench, the s7 almost never even ranked in top 10

A couple of times was like 9. The note 5 on 6 occasions was top 3 and almost all top 10. So maybe bad memory controllers on 3 repetitive s7s?
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
I have the exynos version so that could explain a lot, but I wouldn't really trust benchmarks and just go by what you know and apparently the software is way worse on the snapdragon version as it stands right now (gear VR performs worse, worse battery, overheating, etc.). Just wait a couple of iterations and the problem should sort itself out. I always go for the exynos version as I've always felt that the snapdragon versions have performed worse (ever since the s4). Even bought the Note 4 in Dubai in order to be the n910c which even by today's standards performs admirably.
[Samsung Gear VR] strokercrate:
Well, i completely agree, i absolutely hate snap dragon versions and was upset when they switched back from the exynos in previous gen. I never felt it was as good even back in the gs3. Only benefit then was lte, but now thats not an issue i wish they would quit Qualcomm all together.

Being on cdma i had no choice this time around.
[Samsung Gear VR] z06mike:
My Gear VR absolutely sucks with my S7. This is absolutely pathetic!!! When I first got my Gear VR innovator edition with my Note 4 it was probably the best gadget I had ever used, but then... Verizon/Samsung released an update that totally ruined the experience. It made the VR heat up in just a couple minutes and was basically unusable. MANY long months later they released an update to finally fix it.

I was super excited to my S7 and the new gear VR, and yet I'm right back in the same crappy boat. Not only does the performance suck, but the fit is much worse on the consumer edition and view is obstructed by the edges of the VR, and light is able to penetrate on the sides. It is so laggy/choppy/slow with my S7 that it is almost unusable. I tried it with my wife's S6 Edge + and it is absolutely perfect! I am so pissed off with Samsung that I'm ready to make the switch to the dark side!

As much as it pains me to say this, this is why Samsung will never catch Apple. Apple would never let something like this happen and even if it did happen, they would be all over it to remedy the issue. One thing that is even worse is that this was a time for Samsung to really show people how great their products are yet again they've screwed the pooch.

Sorry for the rant and not meaning to turn this into an Apple vs Samsung/Android debate, but I am really pissed that I still have to deal with this crap with this "latest and greatest" S7 Edge and Gear VR and yet it ends up being an inferior experience!!!!!!![emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji853][emoji853][emoji853][emoji853][emoji853][emoji853][emoji853][emoji853]
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
Smooth as butter here. Are you using the snapdragon version? Have you tried a complete reset?
[Samsung Gear VR] z06mike:
Yes I am using the SD version and it is absolute garbage. Again, my wife's S6 Edge+ works wonderfully and my better, faster, more efficient, blah blah blah S7 Edge performs terribly. No I have not tried a factory reset.
[Samsung Gear VR] bigfella35uk:
Oww

I have an unlocked UK S7 with the exynos cpu and everything runs perfect worth no jitter.
[Samsung Gear VR] JimInWoodstock:
I am probably going to buy an S7 edge. I am leaning heavily toward the exynos version because of the easy rooting and many roms for the international version. I have an Note 4 and I am expecting at least the same experience with VR as I have with that phone. So... Is there anyone here with the exynos version that is experiencing the poor VR performance? The postings don't alway say which version is involved. It looks like all of the problems are with the snapdragon version, but I really can't be sure.
[Samsung Gear VR] Toss3:
No one is having issues with the Exynos version. I'd still argue that the Note 7 is the better buy for VR right now, as it increases the field of view, and you can still get the new black Gear VR for free when buying a note 7.
[Samsung Gear VR] z06mike:
I just received a big update a fee days ago and everything is MUCH improved!!
[Samsung Gear VR] Jimmyjoe:
Stoker I TOTALLY agree with you 1000% I was never able to put my finger on exactly what you are describing and showing... I had the note 5 which VR was great... went to the s7edge... and it was terrible... got and s7... terrible... and back to another s7edge and it was still bad...

i have a note 7 and just got my gearvr and am really excited to see if we have note 5 performance or s7edge performance...

All those videos around blasting the note 5 for it's multitasking issues and praising the s7 series for its abilities to keep programs in ram... makes me wonder if that contributed to it... i kinda got excited when i saw the note 7 video blasting the multitasking abilities... hopefully that will translate to good vr... lol we'll see..

Thanks for your posts!
[Samsung Gear VR] Jimmyjoe:
Just an update... Note 7 with the new gear vr is GREAT... absolutely no lags in gunjack or other games... new samsung internet update is amazing as well..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
I'm using Outlook 2007 on my desktop with 3 POP email accounts, calendar, tasks, etc.

Is there a fairly simple way to sync and push email to my Tilt without having exchange server available ?

Thanks,

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TimSykes:
Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dan13l:
You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.

Other options include using Live Mail - which supports push in WM6, or setting up a Mail2Web account. You could then create a rule in Outlook to forward any received mail to your new address. You might be able to configure Live Mail to pull from other Pop3 mailboxes (I know Gmail does this, but I don't know about Live Mail). That way all three Pop accounts end up in your Live Mail bucket, and you sync just that one account with your phone.

Any good?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
I could do that, but then I'd have to manually check for mail.

It would just be nice to have blackberry-like mail arrival.

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benjdc:
you can tell the phone to check every 5 mins for emails? that's just as regular as blackberry. battery sapping tho. its in the advanced section of the messaging setup. you can do it on symbian nokias too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
just installed it, and it appears to be working GREAT !

i wonder why this is free ?

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] WWI:
Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dscline:
I like the concept of XpressMail (using SMS notification, therefore good for battery life), though I've had little luck getting push to work. It rarely, if ever, worked on my MPX220. I eventually accepted the fact that I'd simply have to do a send/receive when I was interested in seeing if there was new mail. Now that I have the Tilt, I'm having the same reliability issues. It HAS worked... I've had a couple messages show up all on their own, but for the most part, they don't. I've gone into the online configuration @ https://xpressmail.cingular.com/, and found that I had not only one, but two devices set up (my MPX220 set up twice). I deleted both of those, but for some reason can't seem to get the Tilt added. I can go through the process, but once I select it, it just never gets added to the list. The list of emails online is correct, so obviously the xpress mail app is properly getting the emails from my mail provider (comcast), but it's either not sending out the SMS messages, or they aren't being interpreted correctly by the phone.