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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
It's a known issue that if you slide open the keyboard, then the Biotouch process terminates, thereby killing the cube. I don't think the cube runs at all in landscape mode ... haven't really tried much. The only way to get it back (once back in portrait mode) is to relaunch the Biotouch process. (You really just have to execute Biotouch.exe again, not even the whole ns script mess). Not sure why this occurs ... or what we can do about it.

Interesting side note ... if you slide the keyboard and biotouch terminates, when you close the keyboard again, if you have a link file to \windows\biotouch.exe -s and you execute that, you'll get the startup animation! :eek: However, the only time I've been able to get this animation is when Biotouch is not running. But if Biotouch is not running, then it doesn't remember where you left off when you close/minimize it :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
I managed to find one posted elsewhere in the forums. It looks pretty similar to the Elf touch.dll I looked at before. It definitely has the same cube references in it (biotouch, aplauncher, mediahubmini, etc) that the Elf one did ... and the Kaiser one does not :(

However, given what I've seen of the contents of touch.dll ... it seems to me that there's a good chance that the Elf or Dual touch.dll would work in the Kaiser. I read another thread about a Wizard ROM, and that's what they did to get the cube to work in it. I haven't seen anyone talking about that for the Kaiser yet ... but I guess people are just starting to get cooking.

Potential issue ... Kaiser touch.dll is about 10kb larger. Elf and Dual dlls are exactly the same size, but they have version numbers and the Dual's is higher (1.18.0.0)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Had to boost this back to the top for Kona.

Had a question for you. The modules that the Elf & Dual dlls are pointing too, are they natively on the Kaiser? If so then what's stopping us from rewriting & reassembling the Kaiser dll to combine Kaiser specific references along with Elf & Dual references that make it work. Or is the easy way to just try to cook in the Elf or Dual dll into a custom Kaiser rom and let it fly?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
None of the cube apps (Biotouch, ApLauncher, QuickDial, MediaHubMini) come on any HTC official ROM for the Kaiser that I've seen (nor on the AT&T ROM either for that matter). They need to be installed thru a cab or could be cooked into a new ROM. But even that is not enough ... because the Kaiser touch.dll just doesn't know to call them. Rewriting the Kaiser touch.dll to include the same code to handle the L-R, U-D finger swipes and make the corresponding calls to Biotouch is theoretically possible I suppose ... but that's way outta my league.

The 2 possible paths I see are trying to put the Elf touch.dll in a Kasier ROM and see what happens ... or continue/rewrite the BioLauncher app which is a thin-slice app that will make the correct calls to Biotouch to get the cube to animate. I'm currently pursuing option #2, and have been making some headway. Although, apparently whatever I did last night is causing cube black screens again :eek:

I swear at some point here soon I'm gonna start a new thread that's dedicated to the further development of a fully-functional cube shim that will work with FTouchFlo. My "real" job keeps interfering :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Apparently, there's something going on with touchflo.exe and/or BioLauncher.exe ... because the actual cube apps are all working (calling their executables with a -s param loads and displays them just fine). I'm pretty much ready to start writing my own version of BioLauncher. I'm still not sure as to what function the "touchflo.exe" app that gets loaded on startup provides ... as it doesn't remain running, and you can call BioLauncher directly to spin the cube with FTouchFlo. Still, BioLauncher seems to need it somehow ... because if I startup without it, then the cube animation freezes when BioLauncher is called. Interesting ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dejavu82:
First post.. =)

My htc kaiser came w htc home, music plugin and audio manager. Hence no installation needed. Bought in Singapore. Local set.

1) installed alpha 2 cab.

2) soft reset

problems occured: black screen.

solution: remove APL and HUB from startup + soft reset

WORKING now!!

thanks for e work u guys doing here. =)

will update if there is anymore problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Oh man, good luck with all of that Kona. I had found a disassembler and looked at the Dual dll when I had a quick moment away from work and yea, that's way above my paygrade. I do understand what you're saying about the Kaiser not knowing how to call everything. It's interesting that the Kaiser is natively capable of running TouchFlo and yet none of the software is on any of the roms to get it going.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weinson:
I am running Dutty's latest ROM, followed the steps above, and this works fine on soft reset, but I can't figure out how to get it running again after using a program ("re-start cube" does not seem to work).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sokolum:
Explain

> solution: remove APL and HUB from startup + soft reset

Can some one explain what he means with: APL & HUB :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] volcomnator999:
the files go to Windows > Startup and inside those folders are the files...

i tried it and did not work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
just swipe the screen with your stylus or fingers and that should work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gaiden:
got it from sing... same with u got it all apps pre-installed, but I already add some apps Pocket plus... follow your procedure delete the hub and apl soft reset... still blank. did u install it from zero? i mean you didn't have any third party apps installed before
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] garymedina:
Cube running great on AT&T rom

Hey I’m fairly new to this site and love all the work you guys do on here so first I gotta say thanks to all of you. I’m using an AT&T tilt with original ROM and had the black screen problem with no cube. I then followed Dutty’s direction again but after I installed the Home screen, music manager and music plug in ...I gave up and left it like that. I later did the PTT fix here

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1577293&postcount=12

Today I thought I would try one more thing so I cleared the startup folder restarted and installed Dutty’s Touchflo Alpha 2. The Cube came right up on a restart. I restored my start up and still works fine. I don’t know why but hope this helps with the progress here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] enigmatech:
After many tries this is the first trick to actually solve the black screen problem for me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] creamhackered:
So clearing out the startup folder sorts this out?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
Can anyone else confirm this as this would be great breakthrough:eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hokr:
I've tried on TyTN II with original HTC rom and it worked. Cool.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] creamhackered:
Does this work when you flick your finger up or do you have to assign it to a button?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hokr:
It works when I slide my finger from left to right on today screen. Don't neet to assign it to any button.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] veef13:
wow, thanks for this program, finally got it working on my Vario 3 :)

All it took was to follow the step in post 274 and it now works :) but, on the main screen wher eyou have Music/Photo/Video the text isn't right, I have the first charachters of each of the three buttons, but the rest of the charachters are squares?

Any ideas dutty? Otherwise, stellar work that man :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xmoo:
Is there a Alpha 3 cming?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bigchemist:
Duttys ROM (6th Nov 07) on an Orange TYTN II works great with the Finger Cube.

Hard Resest after flashing

Instal the Alpha Cube 2

Soft Reset

Remove anything from Today Screen (uncheck absolutely everything)

Soft Reset

Cube initialises ok!

Restore you Today screen settings (Mine are HTC Home, SBP GPRS, and MSN)

It works like a charm!...

Although now.. that its working.. im not sure what to use it for!.. HTC Home Screen has everything I need lol..

btw. is there a way one can change the defult Photo program viewer in The Cube to HTC Album?

Note: Everytime you make a change that effects the Today screen, the device will need a soft reset
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
FYI ... after days of the cube running fine, I suddenly ran into black screen issues. I knew it had to be due to something I screwed around with recently ... so I started backtracking my steps.

Turns out, I believe it was related to my disabling the dialer skin via the registry entry HKLM\Security\Phone\Skin\enabled=0

Now ... why the cube has any dependency on that, I'm not sure. It really doesn't make much sense ... especially when each of the cube apps would run. It seemed to be something with touchflo.exe and/or BioLauncher.exe that was having the problems. I tried the usual disabling home items/reboot kinds of things ... but nothing worked until I set the phone skin back to enabled. Weird.

<TEASER>I don't want to let on too much just yet ... but after days of late night research and experimenting (did I mention that I'm obsessed with the cube), I believe I am very close to my own version of a "touch.dll shim" we'll call it that will take the place of BioLauncher. And guess what ... it allows spin left, startup animation, and closing animation :eek: All on my unmodded AT&T Tilt! More details to follow</TEASER>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
I'm a cube fan myself mate let us know when you get the breakthrough.

I havent got time yet to look at updating the cab. but it seems aspeople are finding thier own way of getting the cube to work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Subliminal Aura:
I so want this to work - Anyone got a GOOD guide to follow ?

Seems like this is very much alpha as the dependencies have not been solved yet.

Yes I can probably get it working if I hard reset but I can't afford that :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Subliminal Aura:
Sorry just wanted to add that I have the following in my startup

Bio

btdwake

Flo

KaiserNotification

PhoneScrLock_Start

PKG

poutlook

sddaemon

Services

Voice Command

Can anyone spot any obvious dependency clash that is causing my black screen ?

XXX deleted for being a noob.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Subliminal Aura:
Finally !

Flashed with dutty's final release ROM (excellent ROM btw)

As above but did have to remove the following from startup

APL

HUB

MediaHubMini

Finally installed the missing icons :

AL_xx_Touch.zip to \windows\

And iced with touch settings

touch settings v1.22.cab

SA
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TheShowStopper:
Errmmmmm.... has anyone seen this???

Hi guys. Been trying to get the old CUBE on my Orange (tossers that they are for ripping it out in the first place) Kaiser and came accross this link.

http://www.touch-commander.com/

Just wondered if it was any help at all? Shout back via Private Message please (still new to all this so simplest way for me!).

Steve :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I'm using your hybrid ROM, dutty - well done! I love it, and can't wait for you to build a ROM around TouchFLO! The second alpha works on my Tilt, but doesn't respond too well to my finger swipes - I can't wait for you to get it working better!

In the meantime, however, I'm thinking about removing TouchFLO because my "contacts" tab disappeared from my main HTC Home screen. Besides - I'm too much of a novice to be dealing with Alphas and Betas.

So if I wanted to remove it completely, what are the steps?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] enigmatech:
It was a combination of the startup folder and the ptt button, had previously tried all the startup folder tricks to no avail. When I tried it I removed the ptt reg entries, added the button 6 entries and soft reset. I had it installed before this and it still black screened, so i uninstalled and soft reset, reinstalled, removed apl and hub from startup as with the prior install, disabled all the today items to improve my odds and soft reset.

cube came up without a problem

In the past 24 hours it has run mostly without issue, it occationally black screens and will not come back after running restart cube, and it sometime black screens after soft reset but it always comes back after a second reset. I've noticed trying to assign an action to the ptt button causes some odd effects, but for the sake of the cube I am willing to give up a key i already wasn't using.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
You can get it better by playing with various pressure settings ... and linking FTouchFlo directly to BioLauncher ... but I'm in the process of changing that anyways ;)

To get contacts back ... remove registry key:

HKLM\Software\OEM\MASD\QuickDial

You really oughta search first ... I swear, I've answered that like 3 times now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
!!My cube spins to the left!!

OK, I've proved my concept! There's still a couple of things to iron out ... but I've got the basic animations working, spin left, spin right, open, close, all with the original HTC biotouch cube.

Hopefully I'll have time tonight to start a new thread on this. I'll post here when I do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Nice work Kona. I can't wait to see what you've done with the base dutty has built. Hopefully you two can bring genuine TFlo to the Kaiser soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
Nice one mate I hope you/we can get this to work perfect on our kaiser
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Subliminal Aura:
I'll buy you both a pint too :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
With my proof of concept created and working ... I went ahead and started a new thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1653800

If you're interested in taking the cube to the "next step" and using all 4 finger control movements, then follow along over there. NOTE: for now, you'll want to have a working cube before heading to that thread, as it's focused on enabling the other controls of the cube, but uses the same basic cube installation as this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] randalthor:
Finally working

I have finally got this to work. If you have the HTC Kaiser (Not the orange / t-mobile variant) then doing the following works all the time with no hard reset needed.

Install the following only:-duttythroy dutty music plug in.cab

then install:-TouchFlo For Kaiser alpha 2.zip to the mainpart of the phone not the memory card, I installed the above to the memory card and i never got this to work but the first time i tried installing this to the main phone memory it worked :)

all i need to do now is work out how to change some of the settings and get the program to start without swiping my finger backwards and forwards.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Scann69:
That's all? So all i need to do is download the cab file from the 1st & 2nd post, install it and it will run just fine? I've been trying 2 other types but i just cannot get it to work :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] toyjeep:
I've tried everything in a stock TYTN II and the only thing that run, was the black screen.

I rather wait for a Beta build or use this one: Touch commander that work perfectly
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Scann69:
Just tried it too....could not work :( Don't like the touch commander cos need to activate it via hard button first. Then there is the other one....after a soft reset, it takes a good 10 seconds to activate that program and furthermore, i got some weird errors after doing some customization of the program :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TheShowStopper:
Hi Dutty. Well done exactly as you state on this Thread. I even did the old 1234 and started afresh but no joy. All i'm getting is the black screen sadly. What am i doing wrong? :-/

RSVP Steve :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] david.dupuis:
Just a FYI on this

I found, at least with me Cyberon VSD was the issue. when i removed it the cube runs 100% of the time after many many reboots. don't know if this has been reported but I experienced this anomaly and found it while flashing Dutty's new ROM. I installed the cube before anything it worked great then started installing applications one at a time. After I installed VSD on reboot the cube stopped and black screened. Removing it and rebooting fixed it. any way just a FYI....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] obstacles can kill:
Cube video

duttythroy, amazing work yet again. thanks for the resources.

i was getting black screens initially. but then i deleted the files from Startup and re-installed the music plug-in and it has run flawlessly since.

first thing i did after it worked was install touch settings. i re-mapped the photos icon to go to the HTC Album program. and then i changed the default directory that opens when selecting videos and had it go to my camera's default directory on my memory card.

i uploaded a video to youtube of it in action for those interested...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOp_xhW49w
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kms108:
i'm not sure if this has been posted, on my tytn II, there is a touchflo file called the cube in the registery, would this help in making the cube work better on the tytn II.

kms
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drokkon:
I can't wait until there's a good working version out there... maybe even baked into a ROM - keep up the good work!

Sorry, I actually did see that solution, but I didn't know if it was just a band-aid or not. Even still, what I'm really looking for is a way to remove alpha 2 entirely - it was fun at first, but not even really useable yet. Then it'd register a swipe when I was in another program and come up. Then today it turned into the black screen everyone else has. So.... :) I'd just like to remove alll traces of it for now. Sorry, I'm a real WM6 noob.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] trobbie:
i dont know if it whil help anybody but what i have to do too dont get a black screen is before i give my mda a softreset i but it in flightmode and then when it startsup i give one tap on edit then the cube works perfect for me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Can anyone please explain clearly for us novices how they got this app (cube/flo) to work properly on an ATT Tilt. I followed the instructions and have the other apps mentioned to install first working properly on my phone. But, I have never flashed a diff't ROM to the phone. I got the black screen repeatedly after soft resets after installing.

Also, to be clear, There are no touchflo settings included in the control panel and the phone does come with "finger scrolling" but I dont know if this is the same as the touchflo.

Also, I could never find the "calibration" file mentioned to get it back off my phone, so I found enough of the files to delete based on the date installed until my phone started working properly again. This seems unlike most of the apps on this site I have tried, so there must be some additional clarification needed for tilt folks. I'd really like to use the cube app, but I don't think there's an answer in this thread so far.

Thanks in advance for the help!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Could someone please cleary explain (for us novices) how to get this app to work on an ATT Tilt phone. I have followed the instructions and installed the apps needed prior to installing this one with the black screen after multiple soft resets.

There must be something different on the tilt phones that this revision doesn't address. All I can offer is that they do not have the touchflo settings in the control panel; the phone does include finger scrolling but I'm not sure if this is the same as the touchflo app.

I'd really like to get the cube app going, but have been unsuccessful up to this point.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ryoung101:
Black screen on Alpha2 Touchflo Cube

Black screen on ATT Tilt.

Loaded, clean..... matters not.

Any other ideas.

The Alpha2 looked like the easiest way to point B......:confused:

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrisdeaner:
+1 to getting specifics on how to make it work on the Tilt! I tried what obstacles can kill said in his post but still nothing (no black screen anymore). Anyone?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
Thanks to Kona_Mtbkr for his great work I have finally made an alpha cab 3 which works brilliant.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrisdeaner:
Nice! Any idea if this will help with the issues with the Tilt? I really really want this app on my phone :)

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] exzist78:
Man Dutty.....i can't wait....hit me with the alpha 3

Thanks for all your work.....I just gotta try it!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
update

Alpha cab 3 is now available just install and soft reset and just activate cube. enjoy:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sl_uk2:
how to activate

sorry about this dutty how do you activate the cube
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
Its similar to this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sl_uk2:
sorry

Sorry once you install the alpha 3

do you have to do anything to turn on the cube

steven
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
after you install the cab 3 soft reset and just use your fingers or stylus where you see the arrows in the pic from bottom to to to activate i will include instructions when I'm free
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sl_uk2:
Thanks

Dutty i have installed the alpha 3 and i have soft reset the device

do i need to go in to settings or programs to turn it on

i am using an orange tytn II with your hybrid 4 rom

when i swipe fingers nothing happens

many thanks

steven
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] andics:
i tried to installa aplha3 but my tytn2 now runs very slow in every task!

is it normal?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrisdeaner:
I can get it to load on my Tilt however it only goes to the contacts part of the cube...when I swipe across it doesn't seem to do anything. Any ideas?

Thanks!!

edit: it is giving me an error saying it can't find "randomaccess.exe" when I try to activate the cube after the first time. Also happens when I try to swipe across to unlock the phone with slide2unlock. Hope that helps for development!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sl_uk2:
no

i installled no difference but cant seem to get cube
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sl_uk2:
you tube

Dutty watched your video and when you swipe the screen the cube starts with mine nothing happens am i doing anything wrong i am just going from right to left but it just opens contacts

steven
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
If you swipe left to right it will start contacts,

You have to start cube by launching it from the bottom task bar then you can swipe from left to right.

You also can change theses settings in programs touch flo, ftouchflo config and customise it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] starstreak:
Will this work on a Tilt?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] taiseer999:
Here is what I get, The file "cecmd" cannot be opened....." :o after activitating "with the upward movement' and right to left'
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
This is the first video the new video i might upload here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
I will upload a edited version for the touch flo to works either left to right. right to left and down up.

It should work on any rom with all the touch elements app install and configured like my rom