yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
I concur with you slicric ... 100% absolutely confirmed that you *can* get the TouchFlo cube to work on a stock ROM AT&T Tilt!

My first attempt was to use the cab in the second post on this thread ... but I ran into some issues, one of which was that the settings app would not run, citing issues with CustomMediaHub (a file I could not find anywhere). Concerned that it would lead to more issues, I uninstalled the Kaiser TouchFlo Alpha 2, and went with the manual install approach. It's really mostly the same stuff (I verified by checking the _setup.xml in the cab files) ... but apparently Touch Settings v1.22 is different, because when I installed that separately, it worked. Got everything set up, and was getting the black screen. Then, did the "disable today plugins, soft reset twice, re-enable plugins" trick ... and much to my amazement, it worked!

Gonna set up FTouchFlo next, and do a few customizations ... but I believe this is the biggest hurdle. Keep in mind people, this is not a trivial thing here ... trying to lift software out of one ROM and transplant it into another device. And until we understand all of the nuances to the install process ... it's not going to be trivial. A little patience, care, and diligence will get you far.

Anyways, can't believe it's 5am! Kudos to you duttythroy for even trying to help people out ... and putting up with some of the crap :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mdhensley5:
I'm running the stock Tilt ROM and the cube works for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Hey mdhensley5 ... just for reference for others, did you use the Alpha 2 cab from this thread, or the more manual installation method of installing each piece (TouchFlo, JTButtonFlo, TouchFlo Settings) separately?

If you used the cab from this thread ... did the settings app work for you?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mdhensley5:
I used the Alpha 2 cab, deleted APL & Biotouch from /windows/startup, reset, used TouchFlo settings to make the photos from the cube default to HTC Album, reset, deleted minimediahub from /windows/startup, reset. Cube and HTC camera are working great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xmoo:
Mine works after re-activing the cube again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
is this working great for you, I mean these steps as I will be looking to cook my touch rom soon, I only get the black screen now and then but if this works better then I will update the cab
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mdhensley5:
Yes, these steps work perfectly for me. If I understand correctly, some of your past posts indicated that the cube would come up immediately after reset, but that never worked for me. After reset and WM6 has loaded, I just do the left-right swipe and the cube comes up. When I want to exit the cube, I press OK or the red phone key. I don't have to "reload the cube" the next time I want to use it, only do the left-right swipe. Hope this helps. I am looking forward to your ROM with the cube pre-installed. Those always seemed to be faster when I had my 8125.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BulldogXTRM:
Well, I've tried both ways and neither works for me. I have the default At&T ROM installed.

One of the things I've also noticed is that when the alpha2 .cab is installed, my the favorite people tab disappears from the HTC Home plug in. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling following the tips, but still nothing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] earistomene:
After soft rebooting from installation of cab2 I get this error:

The file 'ns' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring file.

I'm using AT&T stock rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] earistomene:
I reinstalled to my device instead of storage card and now I get the black screen....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] slachanah:
i tried this and it worked..it is a cool feature...it didnt grow on me so i uninstalled it...but it is definitely worth trying jus to see it :) maybe will reinstall it wen the bugs are out of it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GiGiSSiMo:
me too :(

may be we can use the flash cube...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shadowace:
Just can't get this to go. Looking forward to the cooked rom with this included!

If you have not checked out dutty's other roms, do it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
I too simply get the black screen. I have ATT tilt with the default rom. What am i doing wrong?

I installed everything from the first post (except the beta 1 cab) and then installed the Alpha 2 cab file and soft reset. I get a black screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] odyseus:
Hi All,

I followed the instructions and have a working 'cube' on my T-mobile, but every time a run an application - eg task or calender etc THEN close it - THe cube disappears and the HTC home reappears. You can get the cube back by swiping a finger left to right. It seems a bit odd that you have to keep doing this every time something is closed??

Any ideas??

Cheers

John
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
John, I'm seeing the same thing. Actually, from the mediahub (music/photos/videos), exiting those apps seems to return me back to the cube. But from the other "faces" (app launcher & quick dial), spawning a program from those seems to close out the cube, because when you exit the program, it doesn not return to the cube.

In general, I don't know that this is useful enough to replace HTCHome. but it sure is fun to play with, and has a certain "wow" factor to it. But I have the following issues with this version:

1) closing behavior as described above

2) I can't seem to find a way to modify the link for contacts. Would much rather link the cube to PocketCM!

3) Cube only spins to the right?

4) When you lose the cube and want to bring it up again, that action always turns to the next face on the cube

Between 1,3, & 4, useage gets a little annoying. When you launch an app off the app launcher, and then close that app, you're back at Today. Swipe L->R to bring up the cube, but it's now turned the face. And, you can't just turn to the left, you have to swipe L->R 2 more times. The original cube on the Touch does not work this way.

Which brings up another question. I was under the impression this was the cube as extracted from an HTC Touch ... but if that were true, I guess these things would work. I assumed with all the installation issues and HTC app dependencies, this would be the case. Plus, I haven't seen a programmer claiming responsibility for building this app. If it is the original app as per the Touch, then it should have the potential for left turns ... perhaps it controlled by cmdline params? It seems that just calling touchflo.exe has the default behavior of turning the cube right (and the button and left-swipe are just calling this exe). So maybe there are cmdline options for making it do the startup animation from the screen bottom ... and turning to the right? Seems to easy ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
There's a registry key you need to delete to get these back ... it's in this thread somewhere ... HKLM\Software\OEM\QuickDial, it's something like that

Sorry you couldn't get it to work ... it's not a trivial install. Don't install to a card, make sure the HTC Audio Manager is the default media player in HTCHome, and for whatever reason ... I had to disable all 3 HTC plugins, soft-reset twice, then re-enable them. It's now running quite well for me with putting my QuickDial people back on HTCHome, and taking the Audio today plug-in off. I guarantee it's possible ... but not always easy
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zaharakis:
it works for me in my kaiser with helmi_c big storage (04) rom.

thanks duttythroy ;)

but after i run ""touch settings"" and the first soft reset i have blank screen:confused:

edit

i unistall ""touch settings"" SR and ok again.

but is there any other way to change default items of cube?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kms108:
this may be a stupid question, but what does the duttythroy dutty music plug in.cab actually do, i'm using the official HTC tytn II, so majority of the htc stuff are on my tytn 2, is there a need for this plugin.

thanks

kms
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xmoo:
It's the Music plugin you have already. Bit with some fixes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deviusdragger:
Awesome work, thank you very much.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Duttythroy - found my problem where I got that error regarding CustomMediaHub.exe not being found. Your cab installs a "BioTouch Settings.lnk" file in the Windows directory ... and that shortcut is to the CustomMediaHub file. Probably something leftover from the extraction from the Elf. Anyways, this file can likely be removed.

RE: startup items ... I only have Bio.lnk (the shortcut to the ns.exe loading ButtonFlo.ns) and Flo.lnk in my startup, and my cube loads just fine after SRs and everything. I did notice that each of the cube faces load a little slow the first time ... the text takes an extra couple of seconds to load. I've also found that you can in fact run each of the cube "face" applications independently from File Explorer (if the cube is working right). I'm wondering if loading these apps in the startup makes them run faster the first time you bring up the cube. Haven't tested yet ... just a theory.

RE: Cooked ROM. Not sure where you're at with this ... but I wanted to run something by you. I was excited to get the cube working ... and yet frustrated that it seemed like the original HTC cube, but only turns one way. Well, did a little research on the xda-dev thread for the O2 ATOM, and traced that back even farther to a thread on www.4winmobile.com. Turns out, this is partially original HTC cube code, and a couple of custom developed apps (Biolauncher.exe and Touchflo.exe) to integrate it into systems that don't have the correct version of touch.dll. But it sounded like people were able to cook a ROM with the Elf touch.dll and run on a Wizard with success (although not on a Hermes). Seems to me that if your cooking things into a ROM, why not try to get the complete integrated cube using the Elf touch.dll instead of this modified approach.

The other thing that I haven't seen much reference to ... is how different is the Kaiser touch.dll from the Elf anyways? Kaiser has the TouchFlo scrolling capabilities, and even had the required Biotouch registry entries out-of-the-box. Perhaps all this workaround isn't necessary, because a correct version of touch.dll already exists on the Kaiser?

Just some food for thought.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Duttythroy, I just ran across a thread started by *you* at www.4winmobile.com. So you know way more about this issues than I can ever dream! :)

So tell me ... am I crazy, or should we be revisiting whether the Kaiser can utilize the Elf touch.dll as the Wizard seemed to be able to?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TheShowStopper:
Nope. Tried this 4 times now and still nothing except the old black scrren gag :-( Any chance of a bit of help on msn dude? dx-hbk-hhh@hotmail.co.uk Much appreciated, Steve :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gregeast:
Installed but no luck. Unlike my previous attempts I did not get a black screen after I soft reset but when I tried to activate the cube by swiping left to right I then got the black screen.

Did I need to do anything other than install the new cab and soft reset? Do I need the other music plugins, etc.?

Thanks, keep up the great work!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikewtw:
Try the installation steps located here - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1550792&postcount=1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
followed these directions, but i got the black screen. not quite sure what to do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
The cab I made works apart from occassionally black screen which occurs sometimes and soft reset will fix it.

Just ensure all plugings are install and enabled before you install the cab
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neogin:
not sure if this help .. oh well ..

i'm using benq p51 ..

this is what i've done and it works .. not all the time ..

u need ..

HTC Home Plug-in, HTC Audio, HTC Audio-Home Plug-in, Flash Lite, and duttythroy kaiser touchflo alpha 2.cab

install all of them .. and reset ..

delete following files from windows\startup\

ALP, HUB, Biotouch

not sure if this is including too .. u need to delete registry biotouch ver

after u've done all of the above .. reset .. reset .. 2 reset to make sure ..

u will see the cube when your window start on today page .. if u see black screen .. press hang up button once .. then u open biotouch from windows folder .. make sure that u view all files .. it works on benq p51 !!!

yep .. i think it works for most of WM6 devices ..

*** PS... adding up more info here .. when u see black screen .. try to do .. press your finger from right edge to left side .. u will see window waiting icon up .. it seems that .. it is working .. but somehow not working for some devices or .. something is goin wrong here .. keep doing right to left .. right to left .. it looks like .. touchflo is doing something .. u see !!! .. normally .. on working devices .. this is how it work !!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] megaman:
i'm becoming crazy !!!!

i've done all methods described apund here several tmes, and always the blac screen !!!

I've a french tytn2/kaiser with original rom

I'm sure that the problem is a localsation files.

i've tried a button flo install too,same result !!!!

please help !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] megaman:
I've tried to change the audio manager extension 0409 to 040C for french bbut didn't get any results.

Any ideas ?

I think I will hard reset and try one more and last time...

MegaMan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Crazeybt1:
a lil something some of you with the ATT tilt might want to try see if it works.. try re arranging your files in windows//startup in the order listed

Bio

Biotouch

Btwake

flo

pkg

poutlook

sddaemon

then soft reset..

might or might not work just an idea..

do this after you've tried all else and it's still giving you a black screen
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neogin:
hey .. i have a question here ..

do we need to setup config in FtouchFlo ??

when i do right to left .. black screen there !!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] volcomnator999:
i got it to work the 1st time but it wouldnt switch more than 1 time...then after it stopped working and gave me the black screen
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
I decided to try it out and I must say, when it works it's lovely. I'm using AT&T Tilt, with AT&T stock rom.

My bugs:

1. Seems to only work with left to right swipes. Right to left doesn't work nor does top to bottom or vice versa.

2. I did get the black screen the first couple of times but now I'm straight.

Nice work dutty. I can't wait until you perfect this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Due to the workaround that was needed for the original HTC Biotouch application and it's ties to touch.dll, the cube currently only turns to the right (with a left-right swipe). There is nothing (that I'm aware of) that you can do with FTouchFlo right now to fix that. I'm not sure was you have assigned in your config that would bring up a black screen ...

FYI, I'm thinking about starting a new thread where we continue the work that has been done on this so far, and try to bring in the ability to spin left, open/close animations, etc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
I agree ... it's working quite well for me with AT&T Stock ROM. The only black screens I've seen are when I was trying to mess with the startup items. Since the Kaiser has TouchFlo scrolling, I wanted to test an see if its touch.dll would natively support the cube. With all the biotouch applications installed and the EnableCube registry entry turned on ... I get the cube to come up, but without FTouchFlo ... there's no turning it. So it seems that the Elf is the only device that has the correct touch.dll to make the cube happen without a workaround :( I'm currently trying to track down a nice disassembler so I can compare the Elf and Kaiser touch.dll to confirm that once and for all.

A quick hint:

As a result of some of the playing around and posting of results I did ... mikewtw on the O2 Atom forum came up with the idea of calling BioLauncher directly from FTouchFlo (taking touchflo.exe out of the mix). Seems to make the cube respond just a bit quicker. Change the following in FTouchflo.config:

LeftRightApp:/Windows/BioLauncher.exe

LeftRightAppCmdLine:Biotouch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] volcomnator999:
never mind...i got mine .....runs perfect
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Hey Kona,

I don't know anything about TouchFlo scrolling BUT sometimes when I would go into my outlook mail, I'd tap the screen and move a little and it'd make this clicking noise and scroll. I couldn't get it to do it everytime on purpose but it would happen occasionally, is that the scrolling happening?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Yep ... that's TouchFlo scrolling. It works opposite of the scroll bars (think more like you are dragging the screen). On default settings, it takes a decent amount of pressure, and you should start moving right away otherwise it's interpreted as a "tap & hold". To really get it going ... you use more of a "flicking" type of motion where you swipe up or down quickly and release, you're only on the screen for a split second. And it you do that multiple times, you can get the screen scrolling faster. Although ... if you're running FTouchFlo, I'm not entirely sure that it works the same way. I'm still testing that. I think Kaisers are somewhat unique from the "rest" of the devices on here in using FTouchFlo ... because we do support native TouchFlo scrolling in some apps.

FYI the clicking sound can be turned off with a registry tweak, or by installing TFSettings control panel app.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Ahh yea, now i see it working on purpose. Thanks for the pro tip. Good luck on trying to get the touch's dll for comparison. We all can't wait to have TouchFlo working natively without FTouchFlo's help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] neogin:
far from daily use .. too many bugs ..

can't operate it most of the time ..

if this trouble is gone away .. it might be the awesome app !!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jimlivingston:
My Goodness! I have just read 26 pages for nothing. This isn't even close to being usable on a daily basis. How can there be 26 pages for this!?

It is a fantastic start, but this thread should be locked so others don't get fooled into thinking it is a viable program.

Isn't there a forum for "work-in progress?"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kms108:
my hk english tytn II is able turn off the clicking when scrolling, no tweak or extra software needed.

the setting is in the start/settings/touchflo

kms
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
kms - your absolutely right. I forgot to mention that this only applies to the AT&T Tilt, since (for whatever reason) AT&T removed the control panel app. TFSettings is in fact that same control panel app you use in the Tytn II to turn off the clicking sound ... and it can easily be added back into a Tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Wow ... sorry we wasted your time dude. You know, I tend to jump towards the end of the thread when the first few posts indicated people were having problems ... just to see if they had been resolved. Within the last 5-6 posts, you'll see some people are still having issues.

Incidentally, your post (and my subsequent reply) aren't really helping this become any more of a "viable program"

And FYI ... outside of the times I've screwed with it because I'm trying to understand better how the apps involved are working together to make the cube work ... my cube is very stable, across SR's, and I use it on a daily basis ... if for no other reason then just to see cube spin :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Kaiser - Elf touch.dll files

OK, spent some time (too much in fact :) ) last night finding a nice ARM disassembler, perusing the Elf touch.dll, then figuring out how to extract ROM files from my Kaiser, then checking out the Kaiser touch.dll file.

My initial findings ... I think we're screwed when it comes to running the cube software on the Kaiser without some sort of workaround. While the reg settings are in the Kasier touch.dll ... including a reference to EnableCube ... there are not the same references to biotouch, aplauncher, quickdial, and mediahubmini ... which are the essential apps that make the cube work.

So outside of someone trying to flash the Elf touch.dll onto a Kaiser (I believe this is what they did for the Wizard) ... we're going to need a workaround like the BioLauncher that Bepe has created.

Next steps are to look at Biotouch itself, and see how it's triggered to perform the animations. I can see in BioLauncher where he finds the window, and sends it a message ... and I see an interesting parameter in Biotouch called "mode".

Oh, and since this is sort of above and beyond the original intent of the thread, I think I really should start a new one. I'll post here if/when I do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
Watch out for MediaHubMini.lnk!

Thought I would post something that does apply more to the essence of the thread:

I was also doing some reconfiguring last night, and decided to move Touch Settings to the SD card. I uninstalled and reinstalled ... and all seemed to be well. Then, at some point I did a soft reset. Suddenly, the cube was giving me the black screen. I started to methodically diagnose what was working and what wasn't. You can do this by seeing which individual apps run, and which don't. I could get Aplauncher and QuickDial to open by running the apps directly ... but MediaHubMini would not ever come up. I thought maybe it was the new links for Photo/Video that I made to HTCAlbum on the SD card ... but that wasn't the case. I disabled the Home plugins and SR'ed twice ... still didn't work. I decided to check on the StartUp folder to make sure things were OK, and sure enough ... the Touch Settings install had put a MediaHubMini.lnk file in there! I removed that file, SR, and everything works again!

The *only* cube link I have in StartUp is bio.lnk, which calls ns.exe with a param ButtonFlo.ns (which is really just script that loads touchflo.exe, then biotouch.exe). You can also then have a link to FTouchFlo in your StartUp ... but that should be all you need.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Kona, where you comparing the Kaiser's touch.dll to the Touch or Touch Dual? Any suspicions that the Touch Dual's touch.dll could be more closely related to the Kaiser or are we just ****ed because those references (biotouch, mediahubmini, etc.) are the common thread through TouchFlo enabled devices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kona_Mtbkr:
I believe it was the touch.dll from an Elf (HTC Touch). I'd be willing to take a gander at the touch.dll from a Touch Dual if someone wants to post it, send it, or make it available to me. However, without the references to those apps in the Kaiser touch.dll, it's not likely that the cube will ever work natively with the Kaiser touch.dll. We'll either need to try to replace with an HTC Touch touch.dll, or use FTouchFlo and a work-around. I'm OK with a workaround, if we can get it to spin left, and open/close using FTouchFlo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] volcomnator999:
from my experience from using it is that it works for the first couple times and then either i get the black screen or it acts like its gonna do it but it doesnt....if i want the cube to start up i just open up the bio file and it launches the buttonflo.ns program...but thats the only way i can get it o launch