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[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
There's not much that can be added to your comments. From my experience, you seem to be spot on... almost like you were there. Your equating the goings on of their forum leadership to that of the third reich is also pretty accurate.

And for wilcre's benefit (as well as the current crop of mods at the at&t forum), I have taken the liberty of copying the opening paragraph from the Wikipedia article on (Tomas de) Torquemada. I find the last sentence quite telling, as well...

Tomás de Torquemada (1420 – September 16, 1498) was a fifteenth century Spanish Dominican, first Inquisitor General of Spain, and confessor to Isabella of Spain. He was famously described by the Spanish chronicler Sebastián de Olmedo as "The hammer of heretics, the light of Spain, the saviour of his country, the honour of his order". He is known for his campaign of persecution against the crypto-Jews and crypto-Muslims of Spain. He was one of the chief supporters of the Alhambra decree which expelled all Jews from Spain in 1492.

Modern allusions to Torquemada in popular culture are usually meant to invoke images of the perceived hypocrisy and moral corruption of the Catholic Church, organized religion, or other powerful institutions generally.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
I'm like FoneJunkie, I think you were or ARE over there as a member since you know alot about the VCM! :confused: Just trying to figure out what your user name over there was or is!? :p
[Off-topic] newbie2:
A spy among them, eh?? Now that should make for some interesting conversatin in there, don't you think??

I can only liken it to "the Lords" being betrayed by "Judas" for 30 pieces of silver. . . only in THIS case, the betrayal is LOOOONG overdue.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
When I first read this and I thought "a spy?".... OMG, ROFL!! Then I thought about it some more. Big deal... what kind of intelligents gathering could they be doing?

(Certainly no intelligents there to gather)

I imagine all they do in there is pat themselves on the back and brown nose Sentry and WF. I can read it now... Oh Sentry, you guys are seen is such a bad light. You have such a hard job and nobody appreciates what you guys have to go through. I think I am going to be sick. BLAAH!

Oh yea, and of course talk about us over here would be the other thing they do in there. :cool: Now that would make for some interesting reading. :D
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Hey G, I saw one of your posts on the other forum this morning and thought you had been reinstated, but it was only an old thread from August that someone had reopened. :(
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Yeah, getting reinstated is out of the question. The good mods (pre-WF and Sentry) actually would reinstated the banned users for at least one more shot. The 'new at&t mods' don't. It would disrupt/compromise their power trips.
[Off-topic] Praetor1:
FoneJunkie

ok if you think that i am truely this wilcre guy, you are sadly mistaken, i would be and i am more interested in the user torquemada, i have already told yeah i am not wilcre, but who is that user, why dont they reveal there user name from the other forum.

oh so you found my secret out, i am president bush. well now, i guess i better get back on my air force one plane and go back home then....
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Especially after the nice little nick names I/we gave em over here. :p
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
Could be they're not revealing their user name from the other forum in order to give YOU "chat fodder" over there behind closed doors. I can just see it now. . . :rolleyes: :confused: Imagine. . . a close CL community where EVERYONE is suspect. ROFLMAO!!! :D
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Ok here i am, so what are you going to do now, bash me now in public unlike you did on the AT&T forums which was in private or in another forum....

You see I am above outing anyones personal info such as you have done, and vary rarely do personal attacks on anyone such as you and a couple other members are so accustomed to when they know they have to have their defenses up because they are just merely trouble makers or even possibly in some situations a troll.

So now that i have said this, let the bashing and flaming of my user name ensue.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Well now, this should make hopefully for some interesting reading.... ***wilcre goes to get some popcorn and a comfy chair***
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
This statement doesn't add up. Maybe some older members of the at&t forums can confirm this.

The real Praetor works/worked in the same place as wilcre. If you are Praetor, you would know wilcre and you wouldn't refer to him as "this guy".

It is obvious from wilcre quoting Praetor's quote about the rules of the mods, you two know each other. Again, you wouldn't be acting like you don't know him.

Another point, you stated you did a user search of wilcre here and he already existed. Funny,... wilcre user name didn't show up until after you made that statement.

But again I reiterate, it doesn't matter about your exact identity. What is obvious is you are one of the B.N.'ers from Sentry's club house.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Ok then i am missing something, i did not know that Praetor was working with me. this is interesting.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
This is a point I'm not certain about on if you two worked together. But you do know who Praetor is don't you?
[Off-topic] wilcre:
He changed his name i think to Theras or so did he not on the AT&T forums.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Where's your OTHER post... you know, the one where you argue AGAINST what you just said? Or does your post count really not matter anywhere outside of the at&t forum?
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Point proven, thanks FJ, i knew you were good for something.
[Off-topic] kyphur:
Wow! Quote a thread as having helped you find XDA and it gets deleted!
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
If any of you AT&T forum mods are reading this. Apparently you are!

Please unban "DIE_HARD" from your forums as he did not do the evil things claimed by the banner I get when I go to the AT&T forums.

Thank you.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Face it, DIE_HARD. Sentry doesn't give a rip if you really did something that warrants banning or not. He's only interested in abusing his authority to make him self feel better about his lack of _________. Insert your favorite word.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Yeah, DieHard, don't hold your breath. They are beyond reason, as are the current set of VCM and CL (or whatever their newest term for Sentry's brown-nose posse is).
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Keeping Warm

This is better then keeping warm next to the fireplace on a cold winter night:rolleyes: Great reading!
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Popcorn or marshmallows? :p (j/k this is some heavy debating!) :eek:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I have no reason to start "the bashing and flaming of [your] user name". I will, however, let the facts stand on their own merit.

What I don't get it how the mods at at&t are letting you fight their battles. They sit back in their ivory towers doing whatever they do there, and leave you and/or Praetor and Jameson fight their battles. I'm sure that John_B would also be here were it not for the obvious conflict of interest between his VCM/CL role as a forum member and his paid position as a Lithium moderator on that same forum.

I suspect that your free reign on the forums is Sentry and WirelessForeman's reward for defending them.

It's no wonder that the hold times for at&t customer care are as long as they are with all of the reps trolling the forums rather than taking calls. I also can understand now why at&t customer care has many different answers to the same questions - because they are playing 'information dispenser' on the forums rather than taking calls, reviewing the internal documents, taking training classes, and doing other productive tasks to improve their customer service skills. Can you imagine how much better the at&t customer care experience could be for the customer if you actually tried to improve your skills and provided 'customer care' rather than playing on the forums all day? Don't they (we) deserve better? After all, aren't our monthly service fees used to pay your salaries?

And the fact that you are continually allowed to stalk and insult customers on the forums is more proof that you are simply the 'front man' for the two mods. Your posts are sometimes rude to the customer - and you continue without any repercussions from the mods, unlike others who have posted rudely to questions raised on the forums. The protection factor his obvious.

How is it that you manage to 'get away' with acting that way? I have an opinion, and I suspect it is widely shared by those who have observed you in action. I submit that you are allowed to act the way you do, and get the 'perks' that you do because you are here defending the indefensible - the calculated, prideful and arrogant Sentry, WirelessForeman and their minions.

So, considering all of this, what do you have to say for yourself? Don't worry if you can't get back to me on this until after Monday and you have had a chance to get your response from the High Command.

Hasta la vista, wilcre.
[Off-topic] Athena:
What!??! You, him, Sleeping, Excalibur, Friskokid, and TIM-MAYY all work(ed) in the same center.
[Off-topic] angelome:
I think its one big MASS DEBATE.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
I know that John_B works at the U-verse forum for at&t BUT are you saying he's also on the at&t wireless forum and if so, by what user name?

Most of the post that I've seen from him, weren't rude*, BUT not naming names (as they know who they are) - there are/were others that are plain rude, insulting and childish (but yet they call customers & other members childish when it's their remarks that are childish) *I've been on there since July '05

I don't work for at&t so I'm not privy to all the stuff that goes on behind the scenes but I will say that you make a good point on employees being on the forum and not doing their jobs. Customers are at the point where they would rather smash the phone or pay an early ETF then to have to wait FOREVER to get a Rep. and then some of the Reps - you can clearly tell that they are reading from a script! What if I don't fit in a round peg because my problem has never been dealt with before and I'm a square?! Seriously, they need to do something to keep the customers they have but as one newbie said yesterday, "why don't they offer these great discounts to customers who have been around?" Because they've already got them hooked! :mad:
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Some of this surprises me. :eek: Wasn't it Praetor/Theras that was Sleeping's boyfriend..then they got married?

It be nice for members like me, to know who actually does work for at&t but I know that's taboo over there. "Their on their own time!" :rolleyes:

Anybody know who Caretaker (mod) is over there, man or a woman?
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
You mean they all troll(ed) the forum on company time, thereby creating long wait times for customers who were calling in for help, right?? :confused:
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
That's the way I read it.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Hello, Prae. It is nice to see you over here. While this is only my third post I am sure the mods won't think I am being too forward in welcoming you to xda. I hope you will return and bring some of the others with you. That way we can discuss some of the problems in Orange World that we can't talk about over there. Well, we could, but you know that would mean an immediate visit from the burly fellows with no necks carrying truncheons and dressed in black leather trench coats and jack boots. You know, the ones who break down doors at two in the morning and haul people off to the finger nail factory never to be seen again.

To kick the discussion off I'd like to talk about hypocracy in Orange World. I think the private rant Sentry had about honesty and decency was enlightening, particularly the part about how people over here are just not Community "Leader" calibre. I also thought the recent public moderator statement regarding using the private message channel for spam was interesting.

What troubles me, though, is this: How can a forum manager who believes in honesty and honor countenance a situation where a person is not only allowed to remain on the boards but is also named one of the first Community "Leaders" when he had a history of spamming users with deals from an office supply store? Considering the things little people are banned for in Orange World I would have thought this person would have been turned into a smoking crater. Looks like there is one definition of appropriate behavior for the little people and another for those who live in the Fantasy Castle.

Well, I have to go now, Prae. I need to rake the leaves. I used to really detest that chore until I realized that you folks in the barnyard have to live and deal with things much more disagreeable than leaves. Now I do it with glint in my eye, a smile on my face, a light heart and a spring in my step.

Please return and bring some of the guys with you so we can continue the chat.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Exactly. If you look at wilcre's posting pattern, you will see that he posts all hours of the day and every day of the week. If that is true, when does he actually work? THAT was my point.

There was a deep discussion between G8keeper and the Lithium development team about how to prevent the call centers from being able to view/post the forum from within the call centers. Ultimately, the decision was made that it was not possible to block the reps from visiting the forums from within the call centers while continuing to allow the moderators access to the forums.

Bottom line, some of the reps sit on the forums all day long while on the clock, not taking calls, or taking less calls than they could be taking, resulting in longer wait times for customers than is necessary. Wilcre is the king of that crap.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
John_B (formerly johnborder) is a member on the at&t forum. He is also a paid Lithium moderator on the at&t forum under the name Optimus Prime. (He was originally Sideshow Bob, but apparently the powers that be at at&t found that name offensive some how, and forced him to select a new 'mod' name.)
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
:eek: So he's employed by Lithium for 2 different positions (at&t wireless and U-verse forums) using the same Optimus Prime name. Interesting.... Oh the web is so tangled! :p I remember Sideshow Bob being on there very briefly and now I know why! lol

This is like a soap opera! :cool: :p
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I suspect that being employed by Lithium puts him in a position to be assigned to more than one forum as a moderator. Lithium generally assists their customers with moderator services as a matter of routine. The fact that Optimus Prime is on the forums of two of their customers it no big thing - and it is not my issue. My problem with John_B/Optimus Prime is that he is both a moderator and a 'user' on the same forum. THAT is the conflict of interest that irks me.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
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Actually that would be the start of them, and the rest of the post you did reflect that.

Fight their battles, I never have and never will, I state the facts and that is it, someone gets out of hand I do as well all agreed to do and report them, that is with the exception of the old VCMer's, I let the mods monitor them, on their own. As for the ivory tower, if they are in one, I hope they have comfy seating arrangements. As for praetor and Jameson, they always had their Own agendas on how they work on the forums, some may not like it, but it is either accept it or leave [oh wait you did leave, sorry]. As for John_Byou may also want to check your facts on that as well, yes he is a mod there, but on his own time and not company time.

Than what does that say about M.M and G8 Keeper and the rest of the mods that are no longer over there....?

So you know that as a fact do you, and you know exactly what I am doing and when I am doing it.... if you do then that would mean you are near me and are also a rep.... don’t make that wrong assumption... as for my reply’s, they are the same given on the phone as they are in the forums, so the misinformation if I do give it out is because the info has just changed, again another Wrong assumption... As for the customers, as for my skills, they are among the top for the people I work with, as for reviewing and doing my work it is done, again another wrong Assumption, you’re on a role... as for you paying me, no you do not, I am not paid by AT&T, and you know that...

"stalk and insult" the users of the forums, no I do not, I try to go through all posts on the forum no matter who makes them, as for insulting them, sorry that is not my job, yes I have done it I am not denying that, but again a wrong assumption... as for being a front man, nope sorry not me, I have been spoken down to more than my fair share for disputing items with the mods in PM's, yes that is correct I kept everything private about debates and such so as not to get banned, I guess I was ahead of the learning curve on that one... so the "protection factor" is obvious is it, is that why when not long after I joined the VCMer's got me banned for awhile after the main mod [Sunshine I think] went on vacation for no reason...

And again a wrong assumption, I don’t defend them, what’s that now 6 out of 6 wrong now, you are doing great, glad you’re not on my team anymore with this record...

As for defending myself, you have just done a better job than I ever could of, thanks for the help, this indicates/shows that you have not paid attention to anything while you were over at The forums kissing up... as for the response, sorry it was sorry early...

Yes so long and hopefully you eventually get banned from here as well; eventually you will find flaws in here and then upset the wrong person again and get booted. Oh and not bad, only 13 spelling and or grammatical errors in your post....
[Off-topic] wilcre:
so i guess it is a good thing that you are not there anymore, and you still don't have the facts as usual. keep going you are really now going to start to make me look good over here.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I don't want to pick nits here, but since you turned into the grammar/spelling nazi, I just want to point out that it's customary to capitalize the first word in a sentence. That would make your posts sooo much nicer to read! :D
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
It's nice and toasty here now.:D

I have to say wilcre seems to be in the lead, or is it FJ?

Who's up next?:eek:
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Wow, on my first day in this forum (I just got the AT&T Tilt and wanted to see what's out there for it) and now I see that the reason I stopped frequenting the Cingular forums has finaly caught up with others. I used to frequent over there for help and I see a lot of names in here (including you FoneJunkie) and many other people that helped me a lot over there. It got to the point were I was seeing this Wilcre person going into posts and gving advise to many and I always wondered where he is getting the info. I know this because of his advise (which I sutpidly followed once) I ended up bricking my device. He sure sounded that he knew what he was talkning about but after reading more and more of his posts, I got to find out that he takes peices from other peoples posts and pasts them together or even copy them and make it look like he is the one that knows it all.

I would like to say that you did hit the nail on the head in every response you made to him. Oh by the way, he is a cry babay, as i once called him out and my response was reported as abuse and the post was deleted and I got the warning and the boot (I did re-register under a new name after that) and now I realy can not understand how they let him stay over there and not take care of the customers on the phone as that is what he is getting paid for. Now I know that the over $200 a month in service fees that I pay is sure not going for hiring knowledgable customer service reps and I hope that I will never get one like him on the phone to help me.

A final word, I think by you and the otrhers in here that were booted from the Cingular forums had the greatest knowledge over any oen lese and I wonder who is realy left over there to help the poor members. :( :mad:
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Hmm, a tough one. I say it is: FJ 6 and Wilcre a big fat 0.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Okay after a more through review FoneJunkie looks to be in the lead.

Flame on!!!
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well nightrider, welcome to the party. Straight out the back door we are burning effigies of Sentry and Wireless Foreman. Over to your right, we have a dart board set up with their pictures on it. At the bar we are making up derogatory jokes about them, and in the room to the left we are showing video tape of them doing inappropriate........ well, you be your own judge on what they’re doing. :eek:

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[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Undercurrents

:( I never knew that there was so much animosity on the at&t forum. I guess a lot of things were being said in pm's that no one else was privy to. Here I was, thinking that the VCM was one big happy family (as many would state), but apparently it was a dysfunctional family. :(

I will have to say that since Wilcre is at a call center, he would have more information than the average Joe or Jane at his fingertips, so why doesn't at&t take those kind of people and let them do the job of answering customers questions on the forum, officially? Moderators used to be able to go into your account and fix things, but then all of a sudden they quit doing that; they said for the safety and privacy of the customers. You would think that Live Chat tech support would be good for this as well.

I'm not into attacking people. I did point out in the VCM that some of them come off as rude or crusty to newbies, which isn't very nice.

Monkeys see! Monkeys do!
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I was like you too Gi, I got along with everybody and didn't know the history between a lot of members. I even thought I got alone with the mods. Which I did untill I saw a side of Sentry and WF I hadn't seen before. Like I said earlier in this thread, I was warned those two were third rate goons. I didn't listen and I found out the hard way. Jamison has shown his beehind in here and is now added to my dodo list, with the mods in question. As far as wilcre, he and some others have issues. That is a feud I am staying out of.

I think the unofficial "official" answer is the forum is intended for peer to peer help. The mods role now has been reduced to edit, delete, and ban. And of course the occasional "this is the way it is, like it or leave" response with a quick locking of the thread.

I'm not much on attacking people either. Jacking with them maybe. :p But I've made an exception to this rule for the turd twins. :mad: