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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Oh, okay guys.

Can you check if you have /System/priv-apps/camera2/camera2.apk ?

I'm on 1.55.709.5 ROM

I wonder if the apk is Rom dependant or if there are 2 Hardware Revision / Versions of the Sensor.

There is no such thing as Ultrapixel in the Sensor. it's Marketing only.

It's a normal Sony Sensor as any other phone could use.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
I'm on 1.3 and this camera version isn't compatible. It force closes.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] kamots:
1.3? Shoot lol I'm still on 1.2 us T-Mobile version.not rooted stock.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
Does anyone know the reason why it zooms in when taking a Full HD video, but has a better wideangle when taking 4K or 720p videos?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Haven't tried but I'd say it has to do with EIS.. FullHD video is much more stable, ergo cropping and EIS. Wouldn't know why 720p would be larger then...

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
WTF?

Anyone can check the exif of 0742 jpg and dng if they really have iso 7000?

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHcTUxT1pCQkdfcE0

Pro Mode all in Auto settings.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zimilaci:
Hi all,

is there any chance to manual control the video recording, like iso, and shutter?

Thanks!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [Cruzer]:
thought putting back htc gallery would have the feature but no. I know I can capture photos while i'm taking a video. But want to do this after taking the video. So does anyone have a good solution for capturing photos from videos. Miss having this from the M9.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] onedges:
I got an email address for HTC's dev support and emailed them a mini wall of text and some videos I took explaining/showing the problem while I was recording my whole screen with the front camera open. I haven't heard a single thing back though, which is pretty disappointing. It feels like my inquiry went into a void. I couldn't get HTC's official dev support website to even work once. It feels really bad to have that happen. Could have at least got a "thanks for the info".

For one, I think the OIS is really not that strong. Two, it has an incredibly hard time focusing correctly which is the main issue. Even with the post processing it does, when it focuses correctly, it looks very good, and does not obliterate as much detail as you'd think. I am impressed by it in the few images it has correctly focused with - and it can focus quite closely. It often focuses wrong though (which means you details are already out of focus) and then further distorts them with post processing.

The front camera is a complete bomb IMO until this gets solved IMO. The software is also lacking to the point of requiring a third party camera. LG's selfie software is so much better, HTC can't compete at all until they put more features in. Give us white balance presets, a much better voice capture option, the share menu built in.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Again u just read my mind.... Yes your points are very logical and I also found that it can focus very closely but at that distance, with this wide angle focal length, face looks distorted. I quite blindly and also out of option (hearing the bad things about G5 and from past experience of using G4) went for HTC 10. But again I am disapponited with HTC, no doubt HTC earning is still very low in its 2nd quarter. Boomsound also gone. Only left is good customizability. Looks also not quite distinctive. Anyway let's see what they do in future. But one thing I don't understand, having OIS and bigger pixel, it should capture more light and less noise, but it seems the pictures are heavily processed for noise reduction.

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Ha ha ha....only LG V10 has this option in this whole world and u except that from HTC???? Maybe in 2030.....if HTC exists till then.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Because physics. Well more about supersampling, it's UHD down to HD.

If you'd straight up record 1280x720 off of the sensor, the image would be so "zoomed in" it makes no sense.

Where as with FHD the extra resolution of the sensor is better spent for EIS (not sure if the 10 utilises that though).

Though personally I'd rather take FHD downscaled from UHD instead of FHD with EIS. (This should be an option as well)

Here's the sensor and resolution layout

The native resolution of the IMX377 in the HTC 10 is 4000x3000 and the aspect ratio is 4:3, obviously.

4:3 still = 4000x3000 = yellow (full pixel scan, native)

1:1 still = 3000x3000 = red (full height)

16:9 still = 4000x2240 = green (full width)

UHD video = 3840x2160 = orange

FHD video = 1920x1080 = blue

HD video = 1280x720 = purple

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/...ts/IMX377CQT_ProductSummary_v1.5_20150414.pdf

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Yup.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zydus:
Auto (HDR) low-light. A touch of 'pop' in Google Photos

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zimilaci:
That s not true, I have that also on my 950 XL Microsoft .....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Oh....I am sorry for my lack of knowledge about windows phone. I was surely talking about Android and IOS then.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zimilaci:
:) No Problem at all, I was just curious if there is an option like that.... By the way did you know that all of the Apple Products even the latest 6s records everything in MONO??? (yes 4k as well)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Thanks

Anyone here remember if this is also a case on 1.30 or earlier Firmware?

If you take a picture in Pro Mode Auto settings of something really dark, will ISO go over 3200?

Because in Normal Mode they never. And never realised it in pro Mode before.

Not sure if that's a good thing or not^^

Not like you can do more against iso noise in a Raw picture...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Yes. In pro mode if ISO left on auto it's gonna shoot over 7000.

7200 if I just blocked the lens and everything auto in pro mode.

7700 if I also yank the shutter speed to minimum.

P.S. Normal full auto mode can go atleast 4000 btw.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
Thanks very much for the info. I already suspected something like this. In my "tests" I didn't notice any difference between the FHD and 4K videos concerning the image stabilization, even though the FHD seemed to be a tiny bit smoother which could be the EIS supporting the OIS.

What would you recommend, if I don't want to keep the 4K videos? Just record in FHD or take them in 4K and then convert them down to FHD?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ivanovic:
Manual controls HTC 10

IMAG0019 by finn2k1, on Flickr

IMAG0020 by finn2k1, on Flickr

IMAG0018 by finn2k1, on Flickr

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Allesa:
Latest s7e update has manual control over video too...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Really??? Oh man I am so backdated
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImagioX1:
Auto HDR

Edited with Adobe Lightroom
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Kr0m100:
Cloudy day at a nearby beach

Auto settings
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Karma?

P.S. I'm living much more south and having unbranded phone either - same thing.. ?

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zimilaci:
is there already an update in the air? I am also unlocked (Germany (device is from the UK) ) and same version
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
I really dislike this camera at sunsets :(

The Preview on the screen looks way better than the picture taken.

Edited with snapseed

Original

Accidentally took one with flash first.

Full size Fotos here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHcTUxT1pCQkdfcE0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Didn't have my microfiber cloth with me... Just rubbed the lens with my t-shirt. Turned out really nice nevertheless. No edits.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
https://flic.kr/p/GYWr2d

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] fed0r:
Think I'm going with LG G5. Had HTC since desire. But now when iv'e seen how it prefome, it really sucks!

I am going for the LG G5. HTC, as company is ****ed!

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImagioX1:
You do that. I hope you are happy. No need to say the 10 sucks though when in reality it doesn't.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
If only for camera, sure...that would be a wiser decision. But as a daily driver (if u r a medium to advanced user), forget about it.

I had used 3 LG G4's (because I had reason) just for the camera. It's out of the world. Everything else? Not too good. Do u know how hard it is to get a LG phone that can be bootloader unlocked? And do u know LG hardware is the most undependable of all OEMs IMO? And customer support? Bull****. I had 3 G4's and all had motherboard failure. I went through G5's xda blog. Not so good man. So considering all these miseries, if u wanna buy a G5, go for it and nothing can give u the taste of a LG camera.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
You made ANOTHER account just for that? That's silly. Enjoy your G5, can't go wrong with any flagships this year.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImagioX1:
Kitty cat
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] amq:
To those on 1.30: you were lucky to get 1.30 when branded were still on 1.21. Now branded received 1.53, and you are waiting, but you will most probably get 1.55 or higher soon.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ffodi:
Some pics with stock 1.30.401.1 FW (auto mode). :)

Pics in original size:

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Uhhhh ohhh.

It does go up to 3200 in Auto!

Just does it rarely.

But yeah. Pro mode with little zoom looks better :)

Full size:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHcTUxT1pCQkdfcE0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
How did you include configs in your pictures????
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Android The Greek:
Camera update just dropped in playstore
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btort1:
Do you notice any differences or improvements? mainly from the autofocus issue?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
XD

It's a Screenshot. Of QuickPic Gallery. You can activate this in settings.

V8.10.763406 to be precise ;)

From June 06.... fu play store.

Neuigkeiten:

- Verbesserung der RAW Aufnahme.

- Verbesserter Haupt-/Frontkamerawechsel.

- Leistungsverbesserungen und Fehlerbehebungen.

Improved RAW.

Improved switch main/front camera

Improved performance and fixed bugs.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nikos k:
Blur line

I have blur line up end down to the foto.if I take foto with Google camera.i dont have this line..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Oh you devil! You've just made me hungry for gyros. Damn.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xsardax:
Guys, there is issue I'm having with front camera.

Why all pictures are mirrored? I thought it is due to WhatsApp, but no, all of them are mirrored? Is there an option to disable mirror effect?

Look, you can't read what is written on the cigarette package normally :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
When in selfie mode swipe left side for options, scroll down to settings and untick save mirrored photos.

Sent from my HTC 10

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"Pušenje ozbiljno šteti vama i drugima oko vas." ... Sure you can read it. ?

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] xsardax:
Hhehe, thank you, I'm completely blind :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haz04:
Why are selfies mirrored in the first place??

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
I'm really impressed with the camera. The leap from my old M7 to the 10 is just incredible :) Pictures are all Auto.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zydus:
Yeah, I've been very impressed with this camera. Then again coming from a Nexus 5 my bar was probably set way too low. Some pictures from the weekend.

Auto-HDR straight into the sun.

Same picture tweaked with SnapSpeed:

Auto HDR
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] slopiijoeproductions:
So out of curiosity who actually has the best overall camera HTC10 vs Galaxy S7 or Nexus 6p?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] b0ngle:
I notice a lot of photos where the corners and/or the sides are very soft. My 10 is like this and is very disappointing. In fact I would go as far as to say that in good light my 3 year old LG G2 I'm replacing fares better. I actually thought it was a fault until I noticed other shots around the web which are similar. Seems to mainly affect photos shot at infinity in good light. Any one else notice this?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Auto no HDR

Crop 100%
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
Everybody uses their phone camera for different uses. :fingers-crossed: ID say most only use auto and want to capture photos quickly and don't have time for manual.

Agh really not sure what I should do about my preorder or get the s7e. I'm trying to put faith in HTC an updating the camera app but it's hard. The different focusing tech in the s7e (dual pixel phase detection)just might always be better than the 10s laser auto focus 2. It's a little hard to have faith when HTC release camera software to reviewers that's just not up to par. They had to know reviewers would pick apart the negatives. Not that the cameras terrible, it's no where near that. Just seems to be behind the s7e, g5, and 6p so far.

Agh what to do. It's a big decision for a 600 device lol:eek:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
What are your priorities? If they are headphone output to drive high impedance headphones and quick/er updates (if unlocked), then get the 10.

If youryour priorities are screen, camera, wireless charging, MST, go S7.

I have a Note 5 and love it. If I didn't, I'd get the S7, but I want an offset to the Note 5 that I'm keeping. Even with the negative screen and WiFi reviews, I'll likely try the 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
Little of both lol great camera and battery, I like the feel of stock Android and updates, expandable storage, great build quality medium sized phone. So my ideal phone is the baby of a s7e and 10 lol:victory:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
https://twitter.com/SomeGadgetGuy/status/722940383236341764

Great pic here at baseball field. Great Exposure and natural colors. :) This guys good at reviewing cameras also!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
There are certain situations where manual will produce a better result. Night shots are a typical example because the camera does not know what you're pointing it. It tries to brighten up everything when you don't always want that.

For normal purposes auto will be fine on the 10. I don't see the ISO jumping very high like in the past requiring more adjustments.

Also you have OIS this time which means you can get low light shots with less shake than earlier.

6p does not have ois. the 10's front camera has ois. The 10 has full manual controls which the 6p lacks.

The 10 has ev compensation in video which the others inexplicably do not have. That is an incredibly useful function to have in either bright light or at night.

Why do you need to decide now. Give it a couple more months. Look at hundreds of photos from both and then you will see that the 10's camera is pretty competitive with the Koreans.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] FalconFX:
The s7 has the ev compensation. All you have to do is enable manual mode and start recording video
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
Battery the s7e will win. Add an hour or two sot on top of what the 10 can deliver. But the s7e isn't a medium sized phone. The S7 is and now battery is even. Stock will go to the 10. Roms too.

You did not mention audio which the 10 will win easily. speakers as well as headphones. This is what HTC excels at for a few years now.

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ISO used by the sammy was 64. 1/60 isn't unnecessary if the exposure can be maintained. if anything it makes it easier to get it sharper.

What i find curious is the grain in the shadows of that ISO 64. Its more than the ISO 160 in the 10.

See, if the shot does not come out right, take it again. I don't assume that shot is the best either can produce.

people expecting to shoot in auto and get everything right in auto are going to be disappointed. More important is know what to do if auto messes up and it will. That is what you will learn in this thread.

Lets look at the differences here in terms of light gathering.

Sensor size of the s7 : 1/2.5"

Sensor size of the 10 : same sensor as the 6p so 1/2.3" if so the 10 has a 1/4 stop advantage over the s7 in light gathering already due to bigger sensor.

F1.7 vs F1.8 is only a sixth of stop.

Meaning 10 is able to maintain image quality in low light better than the 10. Less artifacts and i'm slowly starting to see that as the images of the 10 come in.

PS: Can't get any confirmation on the size of the 10's sensor yet. nexus was unable to add ois due to the larger sensor size which could mean the 10 is using a slightly smaller sensor than the 1/2.3"
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
In my mind the s7e is a medium phone. 5 inch is small, 5.3-5.5 is medium (depending on bezels) and 5.7-6 is large for me. Specially with the bezels the 6p has.

If the 10 can get 5hr sot for my use ill be very happy. The android headlines review showed it does. Im just more concerned with battery life because I had the g5 for a week and i couldnt get better than 4hr sot with it and i didnt have a ton of extra features turned on either which made me really upset lol. Audio isnt a big deal to me as I really only watch yt videos not much. Of course the 10s audio features are a nice touch lol.

If the 10s camera can be as good as the 6ps in low light with added OIS in video Ill be happy. I dont think anyone can doubt the camera on the s7e is better though. The dual pixel af is just superior to laser af. But gosh the UI on the 10 looks like a dream to me. lol TW is getting better I just really dont want it after my S4. Also would be awesome to get updates faster lol. waterproofing would be nice but its not a def need. Specially with Uh Oh protection. Wireless charging is nice but with a sealed battery id be worried about the phone getting hot and harming the battery or swelling if I keep the phone for 2 years. While the edge on the s7 looks awesome im guessing cases cant protect it as much. The Android headlines review really makes me feel great about the 10.

Its really amazing on how many crappy reviews came out last week for this phone. Not many go in dept at all on features, they read more like pros and cons or spec sheets. The reviews that came out in the last three days really are in depth ones. At the moment Im 60% for the 10 and 40% s7e. lol

On waiting. I really wont want to wait too long my s4 is driving me crazy. So damn slow and battery life is terrible. Plus Im going on a trip in june so I cant wait too long.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] FalconFX:
Yet it manages to take grainy out of focus image when its extreme !
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
It wasnt just due to the sensor size. Google also didnt think it was necessary since the pixels were larger and the camera could capture clear photos in low light. Obviously they were wrong with video lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
It is sensor size that's why they've been unable to have ois with bigger sensors.

6p's video stabilised at 1080p is pretty good compared to the s7, jerry posted a video comparison whilst running, but it loses at 4k.

So if the 10 is using something similar the 4k side is taken care of.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
The stabilized video at 1080p isnt great though. Theres still alot of shake. 4K is just terrible. Lots of phones had OIS. The v10 compared to the 6p at 1080p trounced it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] arses:
I've never understood why some people test HTC cameras with no understanding of how handle it.

These people grumble of over exposing and high light capturing photos while they donno about touch focusing on HTC which extremely changes the light of an image.

I really cant understand.

I have captured lots of images with my htc one m8 that these people cant capture with a DSLR camera.

If want to see my htc one m8 photos visit

https://instagram.com/download/?r=32977307

HTC ONE ULTIM8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] dondavis007:
Mainly because the reason to have a point n click is that most people just want to point n click ☺️

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
This exactly. Most people using a smartphone camera just point and click. A very large %. I know theres some that like manual controls but the reason smartphone cameras are important are the convenience. So the quality delivered in auto mode is pretty dang important I'm sorry to say.

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Its not that we dont know how to handle them, Its just they should produce great quality images properly exposed in auto. Try telling your dog or kids to sit still when your trying to slide the exposure controls over. Its the same reason people want a quick launch camera method. To be able to snap a great photo fast.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] arses:
Your right.

But all of comparisons are about still objects. Better to say 99% of them.

HTC ONE ULTIM8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
HTC solved this though, touch focus no longer do any metering on the HTC 10, instead its all smart metering now unless you use the brightness slider near the focus circle, this is a good solution to prevent those misunderstanding you speaked

however the issues being discussed are something else, HTC solved a problem and created a new one, the new problem is auto HDR, when auto HDR misjudges things it can over brighten an image, kinda like HDR often did on the M9 when used in auto focus

and with auto HDR, it gets worse, as average users often dont even know that HDR engaged and hence they are not necessarily holding still, i think it was a fault by HTC to make auto HDR the default mode
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
I know but your talking about having time to use a exposure slider. Besides the point. We are talking about comparing photos in auto from the s7 and 10. No manual controls. if your talking about using manual controls on the 10 to make the photo better than the same could be done on the s7 to make it even better.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] djbutter:
Seriously. Saying that the HTC camera is great if you know how to tune your settings is not acceptable.

A lot of people take pics with family or friends at a dinner or outing, and likely would hand off their phone to a stranger to do so. Do you expect the stranger to play with the manual controls so they can get that perfect composition? Of course not.