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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
S7 edge doesn't have the issue with scratching glass on the camera, and yet even with finger prints no flare ..

I am still in the testing phase of the htc 10 and with any finger print forget it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Thanks mate, for pointing it out, unless you are a Samsung employee, which by the sounds of your comment feels like you are not, wasted my good few hours reading details about this phone as I really liked it. But I guess when its about camera HTC just doesn't learn its lesson.

I was wondering why HTC was going out of business.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
It gets flare with oily fingerprints. Just like every other camera, phone camera, lenses unless Samsung had a major breakthrough in inventing glass that never gets dirty. I can do before(dirty) and after(cleaned properly) pictures on my 10 and S7 to show it DOES happen if you want. Actually, I should do a blind test and not label the phone is and have you tell me which phone's which. It happens on every camera.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
Far from a samsung employee ... I went on youtube and looked up jerryrigeverything as he does the scratch tests..

I actually started disliking samsung after my note4 - with slow updates and even security updates taking months and months. f' that.

even though htc financials might not be up to far, I have received more updates to the 10 than I have in almost two years ownership of my note 4!!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Ha ha okay. I am with the Note 4 now and going bonkers with their TouchWiz, I am an Android enthusiast who seeks for originality, not some heavily modified version, however I never had to wipe my any Samsung's lens to take a clean photo, although I never had complaints with any hardware part of Samsung's anyway, its the software the bugs the heck outta me, but anyway, that camera lens on this HTC 10 is more than a deal breaker if true, and thanks to you once again for pointing it out.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] kura808:
A few pics.

First 2 are 1.53

Last one is 1.80 from last night (this one was raining quite hard so I just took it quickly then ran back in the house)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
I wanted to take a pic of some clouds. Auto HDR, no edits.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sallam5010:
Funny how people just wanna smash HTC sapphire lens ?? obviously you kind of people don't even know the meaning of quality lenses cuz almost every company uses plastic while only HTC and iPhone using high quality sapphire glass that I tried to scratch and it refuses to ! Hopefully I can show you my lens and my friends s7 lens after some scratching using sand
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Braedz:
Just so people know regarding the pictures I had taken. The lens was cleaned with lens cleaner, and wiped with a microfiber cloth. There is definitely an issue there. There is no denying it. My sS6E I had prior never had an issue with lens flare.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
In that case, your device is defective. I've NEVER had lens flare in any of my pictures with PROPER camera use.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
.... whole lot of pictures incoming :)

I like the green gras here.

Did I already mention how much I like the green grass? And the nice car [emoji14]

Normal:

Digital Zoom from the same point.

Auto HDR

Pro mode EV -1.5 (which looks way more like reality)

Auto ISO 3200

Pro mode ISO 200 (and in reality it was even darker.....)

Auto ISO 500

Pro ISO 400

Pro ISO 200

Pro ISO 200 1.3" (can you see the Noise in the sky?)

Pro ISO 200 1"

Pro ISO 100 1" (can you see the black corners?)

Auto ISO 3200 1/6

Pro ISO 200 1"

On both the sky is totally.... grainy?... but on ISO 200 you can see some white points in the sky.... ?

And the corners are darker.

Full size Pictures on GDrive.

SoonTM

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHcTUxT1pCQkdfcE0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] th3:
^I only shoot for realistic pictures that reflect the accurate reality (memories/history).

Unless it's my face [emoji13]

But your realistic night shot looks a lot better, more original, than the brighter.

So I use and judge my phone cam for quick snaps. I was driving yesterday to a buffet at a restaurant, it was throwing it down like usual and then, out came a rainbow. I tried to quickly snap it...

Any good? Which shot is better?

Auto, Auto

Pro (white balance changed)

As you'll see, the WB was flickering by the second on auto. Drastic changes.

Sent from HTC 10

(Opinions are own)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
Yes it's funny how people with nothing better to do join to bash the ten on its camera thread where we are supposed to see samples instead of mambo jambo

Again I'll take scratch proof sapphire over scratchable coating without a blink

Move on

Cropping distance pics is good on the ten, taken from my car

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
Last I checked this was a Camera thread.. not just a Post pictures thread..

Thus criticism will follow what did you expect? a happy meal?

I've noticed that Auto Mode could use more work from HTC .. as majority of people pull their phones out of their pocket and snap a pictures, who has time to fiddle with pro mode.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
Zoomed + PSX

Original
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] kronosqq:
How do you guys feel about HDR performance?

From the beginning, I've kind of felt like it needs to be quite a bit more aggressive. Init's current form, it seems to just be taking only a step at best on each side of your exposure, rather than exposing properly for the shadow, the highlights, and the middle.

Say you're taking a picture of something at sunset, the result of this has generally been having to compromise between blown out sunset or too dark buildings.

I was able to achieve a nicer result using destructive editing in Instagram than the camera's HDR could give me.

I'd love to see HTC address this in a future camera update. Overall they did a fantastic job with it, it's just this one issue with meek HDR that bugs me a little. Thoughts?

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
It was the fiesta yesterday night in Achrafieh Beirut.

100% Crop:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jsaxon2:
Nice sunflower. I'm no photographer, but I think the camera is great.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] !M4G3:
Southern California mountains w/AUTO on
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
HDR Auto

Pro Mode

Auto

Auto forced HDR

Zoomed and exposure increased.

Auto

Auto

Auto forced HDR

As ways Full size on gDrive

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHcTUxT1pCQkdfcE0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] metalfan78:
I've been searching the threads, trying to find some others that have had problems. My first 10 had a great camera, had to get a replacement because of vibration issues. Now unfortunately, the new device has camera issues. It will not focus, and all pictures are blurry. It looks like my vision when I take off my glasses. The ffc works fine though. I have a US unlocked version, update 1.80. I'm hoping someone can help with a solution before I send it back. Thanks.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] -Vulture-:
Sounds like the problem i had. The auto focus on my first 10 stopped working after some weeks. Can you try to adjust focus manually in Pro mode? If that doesnt work, you have to send it back like i did. I couldnt find a software solution.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
HTC 10 Camera - Astro

so i did something a bit crazy, i went a couple of friend for an Astro night photography, everyone was fully geared with his latest DSLR and tripods, while i had only my HTC 10 without a tripod :) Pro mode, 2 seconds, ISO 3200, it was a bit hard to stabilize of course, but i did land a dozen of usable shots, ofcourse it would have been much better with exposure longer than 2seconds and a tripod but i think this shows off the HW abilities

all of these are handheld, i heavily processed the 12bit DNG in Photoshop CC / 16bit, i was very surprised to find color information in the DNG files as the auto processed JPEG by the camera app were almost monochromatic

press the pics for full size, looks much better in full quality / more color (something to do with chrome processing?)

let me know if you find them too dark so that I brighten them a bit more

Milky Way, it was even visible in the processed JPGs without color

Red Planet, you can see its color on Flickr or in full size

Ursa Major and Minor, the auto JPG version looks like a nice BW effect

Moon Rise, I have other versions where i went with faster shutter for less exposure but i like this one the most

Moon Risen (zoom 1:1 into the moon, checkout the natural glow), ISO100 1/500

Album on Flickr:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskCikL74

Auto JPG version from the HTC 10 camera app:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vzvq9jrczdjr16c/HTC10-Astro-AutoJPEG.rar?dl=0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mostafa Wael:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] looks like the htc 10 cam is a lot of fun :good:

Great job as always :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] metalfan78:
I can't focus at all. Everything looks fuzzy. Looks like I'll be sending it back..... Again.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
I have found that RAW is miles better if you want to oversize your photo than jpeg, with RAW I can with Lightroom resize to 16mp with very few deterioration while with jpeg resizing to even just 13mp it will lose lot of details.

So when I face a difficult lighted scene I use HDR Jpeg and for all the rest Raw not only for resizing but also for finer details.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sallam5010:
So how can we extend those 2s to 30s ? Can we MOD it ? Or just beg HTC to do it or what I really wanna get more than 2 seconds
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
im thinking is there any camera api 2.0 apps with 30sec support? "a better camera" doesnt have it, how about "manual camera"?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
I think all camera 2.0 api Apps are limited by the 2sec because of the driver.

How did you manage that?

I fail to keep anything stable over 1 second ^^

Looks all blurry.

You didn't try to shoot trough binoculars ? Might have been nice for Stars.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
we had binoculars but the problem is that stabilizing is ten times as hard with them, you lose any advantage the OIS gives

as for how i managed it, well i remembered my time with the M8, when manual mode was something so new for smartphone i walked in the city at night and started grabbing slow shutter pics what i noticed is that if i press the shutter repeatedly, like take a dozen of each shot one after the other i end up getting a few stable ones, in our case with the 10 we still have OIS making things a bit easier, lets just say i grew a habit of it

i have like 3 to 4 stable other shots of the milky way, sadly i had it on JPEG initially (since i thought no processing will help things futher) but for this particular milky way DNG shot, i stabilized my 10 on the car roof

the funny one is the Ursa shot, i was trying to take a few which were successful and then i told my friend to stand in front, completely handheld and i was almost kneeling, the first one failed and the second one was the one you see above, practice makes perfect i guess, when i try to stabilize the hardest i can see the OIS slow down effect in the viewfinder, sadly i am still convinced that the OIS we have is just 1st gen at best, its no where near as good as the M9s and A9

to make profit, HTC is not using grade A OIS, Laser focus or FCC
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sallam5010:
I tried every camera app on play store and they don't even get to 2s all of them .6s !

HTC gave us 4s 2 years ago and now only 2s

HTC urghhhhh
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zydus:
Auto HDR (tuned in Snapseed)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
You're on a 1.80 Base and kernel?

Hehe yeah. Binoculars and no fixed Mount is almost impossible. It's even harsh during the day with bright Sunshine.

But yeah, I fully agree on dng night shots.

You look at the JPG Preview. Okay... almost only Black. You edit the dng and WoW. So much more details you can get out of it. It's purely amazing.

Does anyone know about Websites that do OIS Tests?

Shouldnt be that hard, you need a specific image and a Mount which Moves in a certain specific image way.

But I guess nobody did that for Smartphones?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sallam5010:
Yes am on 1.80 stock US unlocked
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] arses:
Awesome

How sharp are these shots.

Great job.

HTC ONE ULTIM8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Important question.

I just reactivated Google Fotos because it's the only App I know for editing slow motion Videos.

How do I add multiple Slow Motion Parts in one Video?

I've made a 5 Minute Video which Plays for 20mins in Normal Video players, and I want a lot of short SloMos..... how do I add more than one?

Here are a few earlier Videos which I made on the way to the Hotel :)

https://youtu.be/d_T63XRnlo8

https://youtu.be/49Iktp_zSx0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] SiAmaze:
Follow my Instagram page [MENTION=546872]htc10[/MENTION]_photography for daily HTC 10 camera performances
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thanito:
Why the h they did not enable 240fps slo-mo... I fail to understand.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
Have you reduced the quality of these pictures is that why they look like they have a lot of noise?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ivanovic:
Could you compare with the image hosted on Flickr? https://flic.kr/p/HEVaND

https://flic.kr/p/JxLAsd
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
look better on flic, still some noise but way better less processed .

i like this one if it works.. https://www.flickr.com/photos/87935378@N03/27859378102/in/photostream/

some noise in the sky, but very good picture.

where in greece are they taken? I am going to be visiting corfu this year first time !
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ivanovic:
All pictures taken in Northern Greece near the town of Thessaloniki in Halkidiki peninsula

Στάλθηκε από το HTC 10 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Who is smashing anything here? I was asking about the fingerprint issue a user mentioned, and other users have also mentioned it! I don't think anyone cares what type of "glass" is used on a mobile phone camera lens cover, cause its better to use any sort of coating than something which needs to be cleared every now and then to take a photo! Probably some people have a lot of time on their hand? Don't know!

Also I asked a question about the HTC 10's camera, in the Camera topic, if that is mambo jambo to someone then use the Report button, its there for a reason.

Oh, you wanna know why I am here, still? Because I really like the phone, and that's why I keep coming back here, for all the Einsteins out there! I almost ordered it in fact before I saw that post!

Jeez!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vancecwtan:
To be fair, I'm on my second HTC 10 now. First one had screen issue, sent it in and they returned me a new one two weeks after.

I'm a photographer by trade and I can tell you in all honesty all smartphone lenses have to be cleaned before taking a photo. All it takes is a simple wipe with your shirt, provided it is not oily as hell. Same goes for iPhone 6s and Samsung S7. People give me their phones all the time to help them take photos, before it is cleaned it is always hazy and may be prone to glare or flare.

I'm sure you noticed there is another thread out there claiming severe glare with HTC 10 camera. I believe that phone is a defect because even with my 2nd HTC 10 I don't encounter glare or flare as severe as that. While some people are just more oily than the rest, unfortunately it just requires them to clean the camera lens more often than others.

In regards to lens coating, I do believe that HTC phones generally use subpar coating compared to iPhones. But that's for the lens behind the sapphire cover. The HTC 10 do get flare and glare depending on circumstances but most of the time either I make do(as flare some times do look good) or decrease exposure to reduce glare.

Hope my input is satisfying or provide you with some clarity about the issue.

Sent from my Glacier 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ithehappy:
Yes very clean reply, thanks for that. But I can tell you one thing, I don't clean my lens at all! Maybe once in a week, and there's no glare/lens flare issue, or any other sort of distortion issue at all! My phone stays on my wooden desk for 10 hours, I drag it to do stuffs more than a dozen times, so it collects the dust and other particles from there, then in home it either stays on couch or bed, all with either linen or cotton sheets, and needless to say even more dust and air particles come contact the lens cover, and this is my every day usage, for past 5 years, for past 6-7 phones, yes most of them were Samsungs, but the Moto X didn't give me this problem either!

I was a photographer too back in 2005-2008/09 time, mainly a DSLR guy, but had to leave all that for work. And yes, camera lens should be cleaned before taking photos, but I highly doubt if there's a camera which exists which needs to be cleaned because there's a normal fingerprint on it! By normal I meant without oil, or any other sort of greasy element!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vancecwtan:
That is true. I should have stated more specifically that only oily or greased lens have to be cleaned(mainly smudges, stains that are spread out) . "Dry" stains such as water mark or fingerprints do not affect image quality as much as people would think.

Personally I think due to HTC's poor management and marketing, their quality control is not there yet.

Sent from my Glacier 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
Does the force 100% jpeg quality that custom roms offer make any difference in the photos, or does that just improve the compression issue of pro vs. auto?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] afuller42:
Honestly I notice no difference between stock and the 100% mod
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lightninbug:
I've seen camera mods for savings stock cameras, and even some HTC ones in the past.. why hasn't anyone touched or started working on any camera mods?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] roboflekto:
Got my HTC 10 yesterday, and the first I've tested with the camera was the hypothetical glare issue.

I took several shots not looking for beautiful pictures, but for glares and white balance problems, and these are the results (all auto with no post-processing):

As you can see, there are no glares, and all the light sources are all well defined.

The firmware when the pics were taken was 1.30 (I guess). Updated today to the 1.80 and I can't find any diference.

This camera is great.

Enviado desde mi HTC 10 mediante Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
the glare issue is lens flare when you are taking pictures that have light bulbs in them , you can see it a little on the one picture of yours ..

it doesn't happen when there is no light bulbs or lights in the picture.. try taking a picture of a light bulb direct or a light source
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richii0207:
Nice pictures. There aren't any glare issues with the camera, only people who don't know proper camera care and shooting...This camera takes some phenomenal shots given a proper user. The glare "issue" is really overblown for something that is purely user negligence. I hope this "issue" dies already.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Auto ISO 1000 1/12

Pro iso 400 1/12

Pro iso 100 1/15

And it was really dark ;)

Auto iso 3200 1/6

Pro iso 200 1sec

(You can see its blurry :( )

Pro iso 400 0.6sec

(This one is perfectly Sharp :) focus on the round Center Ornament. )
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Auto iso 3200 1/6

Auto forced HDR iso 1250 1/2

Pro iso 200 1/3

And then there is this one damn picture where ramping up the iso to get a faster shutter speed could have been good....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Black_Eyes:
[MENTION=3056043]Haldi4803[/MENTION] are you using Stock Camera app?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Jup.

Normal

Digital Zoom

And I like this Pic :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pokeycd:
Am I the only one who doesn't have Pan 360 (Photo Sphere)? I can't find anyone else complaining or with a easy/workable solution. iOS even has a Photo Sphere app now. And I can't find a reputable one on the play store.

Also, the M9 had the ability to pause in the process of recording. Nice feature that is missing in the 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] fed0r:
When I erase a picture it says the trashcan is full and ask if I want to erase the picture permanently. I can't find were I can empty the trashcan??

Skickat från min HTC 10 via Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
As far as I know the stock camera doesn't have that feature. You can use the Google Camera instead (as I'm doing).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] pokeycd:
I can't find it in Play Store. Maybe they're filtering results? Or is there an APK that you found?

---------- Post added at 04:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:17 PM ----------

I found a fix. The Street View app will do it. I just read somewhere that Google removed the camera app from the store for NON-Nexus devices.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jjt15:
How do you adjust iso in auto mode?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
I used that one: Google Camera - APK Mirror

Works perfectly.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
First one Cleaned with my T-Shirt.

2nd one Cleaned with a paper towel ;)

Full size pics:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHcTUxT1pCQkdfcE0
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Auto:

Auto with -EV:

Auto zoomed with -EV:

But honestly. What's whit all that noise in the sky? Look at the clouds....

It gets magnified with the Zoom.

Full pics will come with WiFi...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImagioX1:
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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Anyone can explain these few lights in the sky?

They are clearly a reflection.

They move if I move the phone.

But how do they reflect and where? On the Lense?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] habs101:
UFO?

If you cover up the lens do you see the dots?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
I have been getting these too on both my 10 and S7E. I cleaned both lens before taking. The lights on the 10 is less visible.

10

S7E
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] AVergra:
I cant edit raw info keeps on saying jpeg

Hi guys I have a couple of raw shots and when I try to edit them on my phone using snapseed only the jpeg version is available but when I access my smartphone thru my macbook I can see the dng file on the photo folder. Is it always like that?:crying:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
If you select a jpg in snapseed which has a Raw available it will automatically select the Raw for editing

One more with the two Lamps Mirroring somewhere on the Lenses onto this two points on the left.

Any professional photographer can explain this?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] AVergra:
THANK YOUN:D:D:D:D I couldnt make it work before but now it does