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[Off-topic] nightrider:
So let me know if I got this right. After reading here as well as in the AT&T forums, I see that there are some that seem to be favored by the mods and can in a way go out side the rules without being penalized while new users get the slap on the face quickly. On top of that, it seems that they have and allow customer reps be on the forum instead of serving the customers and from the looks of it is that all that is left over there are service reps (with the exception of may be a few, at least that is what I gather from here) and to top it the reps instead of taking the back seat (based on their standing as being either directly or indirectly employed by AT&T) they decide to slam the real customers who seem to be the back bone of the forum and in the end those customers get banned for speaking their mind or for not agreeing with the AT&T moderators. who thankfully backed off a bit but not enough to admit their wrong doing. I also do agree that the ones who are banned for other reasons (moderator personal reason's) should not accept to go back without the moderators at least in one way or the other admit that they have taken this a bit too far as well as into a personal nature. I also think that AT&T should bring the forum back to what it is advertised as customer helping the customer and make the best effort to bring back the long timer users who got banned based on personal reasons
[Off-topic] newbie2:
You hit the nail on the head with that statement.

I also agree with this -- personal vendettas by moderators against those who would dare to voice an opinion contrary to their's have NO PLACE on any forum.

I certainly hope this can be accomplished. Those long time members have a wealth of knowledge and info to be shared -- without the flaming/slamming tactics that at least one of the current CL's is known for.
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Another thing I would like to add. Seeing what the AT&T Reps have made and posted in here and them be known as ones who work directly or indirectly for AT&T I only expect that the moderators over there to also be even more heavy handed with them than any other user as these people do actually represent the company, unless those representative strive to take over the forum and make sure that no customer is left in there to help other customers. This is very sad that they have allowed such a forum to degrade to a level like this.
[Off-topic] Ron_Miami:
Wow! I just found this place.

I was wondering where everyone was.

Regards,

Ron
[Off-topic] donnana:
Banning Do-overs

For those of you who were banned for relinquishing your little stars, remember to bring that up. The invite stated "...AT&T or the Community Leader may end this designation for any reason at any time." I can't find any fine print that states there would be repercussions for doing so. Oh wait - that ban was from an imaginary place, wasn't it? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Excellent points

.

I would like to add two things about the current forum: The first is that the leadereship is a perfect example of people being advanced to positions beyond their level of competence. This is called the Peter Principle in management theory. The second is that one of the two senior mods spent a tour in the president's office prior to assuming his duties on the forum. I find it hard to believe that his management style reflects the ideas and ethos of corporate headquarters.

The bottom line is that because of current forum management att customers visiting it suffer through abuse and misinformation while att itself is being given a self-inflicted black eye. I would hope that once att management realizes this it will ensure that changes are made to protect its good name and customer good will.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
*HELLO!* Ron! Glad to see that you finally followed the bread crumbs that someone left over there! :p
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Todays pop question:

Take the Peter Principle, add Nepoleon Sydrome, stir with a little inadequacy issues, and what do you get? :rolleyes: :D
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
George W Bush!!!:p
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Umm.. nice try, but that's what happens when you mix a less than 2.0 grade average with politics. :p

I was thinking more alone the lines of a certain at&t mod. ;)

Yea, I know... I'm working real hard to get myself reinstated ain't I. :D
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Goodbye

Well guys and gals, my time on this forum must come to an end. I'm a senior member on a non cell forum and they are in need of my help, so I need to devout more time to them and since I didn't even know what xda or roms were, I must say goodbye. My personal time gets very limited but I'm glad to have gotten to "chat" with you all in this short amount of time. I really was hoping that I could bridge the gap between you all and the at&t mods but I guess the damage is deeper than I thought. :( I'm not sure how long I'll be on the at&t forum since I'm looking to port my number out but I'll continue to offer what help I can over there until I find the "right phone". I enjoy helping fellow members and hopefully some of my "sunshine" will rub off on other members! :p YEAH, right! Try to behave yourselves and if you ever do get back on the at&t forum, send me a pm - even after I get my new carrier, I'll probably peek in, like some of you did! :p

Take care! ;)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Good luck, GiGi. Don't be a stranger around here... as for the at&t site, you probably won't find many of us there... methinks the whole reinstatement issue is a ploy to buy some sympathy and/or get (at&t's) management off the backs of the inept (at&t) mod staff over there.

We all need to have standards. As Groucho Marx once said "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made". I'd say that should be the new motto for the at&t forums.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
I think all of the above are true for all three (I thought there were two mods)!!:eek:

I'm not moving up in ranking so it doesn't matter what I say here.:(
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
It was nice meeting you Gigi. Good luck with your new phone hunt. :)

After giving it some thought, I don't think I want to have mdhensley5 reinstated on the other forum. I'll just keep my alias! :D It's more fun to play games!
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
That's so true. I hope that you and the others can find a cell phone forum, to help other users, don't waste that knowledge! You've all been a huge help to fellow members and I wish you well! ;)
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
It was nice meeting you too! :p You and the alias!:p Stay safe! ;)
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I'm not gonna say bye Gi, I have a feeling we are going to see you around....somewhere....again. Sooo... I'll see ya later. :D ;)
[Off-topic] mthomas:
what a waste of time and energy
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
See you later alligator! :)
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
Here we go again. . .

Just when I thought that *maybe* the AT&T forums were "evolving" for the better, I find another contradiction in statements from Sentry. . .

Posted in the NEW CL forum on 11/1/2007

BY THE WAY, ODI -- YOU CAN NOW DETERMINE WHO WINS THE BET AMONG YOU ON HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THAT TO BE POSTED HERE. IT TOOK 20 DAYS TO BE EXACT.

And yet, there's a PUBLIC post in The Lounge over there where Sentry says the following in the open forums just today (11/21/07). . .

So, the former CL's get the boot and Sentry pretty much "crows" about it to the remaining CL's and pats those remaining on the back in appreciation for their "hard work" -- and yet, in the Lounge -- he states that those HE booted are STILL Valued Community Leaders with the "character traits" they "look for in future members" of the CL community.

WOW!! Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth. Now, who's brown-nosing whom?? :confused: :mad:
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
brown nosing doggy style
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
BeRich's post was deleted and the thread locked

Here's the URL in case the screen shot doesn't display http://www.binarydreamz.com/greetings.gif
[Off-topic] :
haha

I have no sympathy for you Don or George, you egged on the mods and you got what you deserve. Frankly the place has been a lot better with out the sabbaticle group being back anymore.

Bye
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
BeRich's posts in the lounge were deleted
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I thought people could talk about off topic stuff in the lounge. Why were these posts deleted?
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Who's the loser/coward afraid to use their AT&T user name over here?
[Off-topic] nightrider:
So how sad this is that you hide your self under such a user name. Based on what you just did, it seems that you are the looser by not revealing your self and real identity. Now this is to the other users who came in here to defend, stand up and be counted out from being the loser that this person is. I have a great feeling as to who this person is and is a person who was talked about and never dared to show his face here. I can not see any other person making such a statement and running unless it is a person who would not dare to put his name out here and reveal himself.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Mod.Moose just gave BeRich1949 a 5-day ban for being disruptive in the forum.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Just another example of how that place is spinning out of control. And since Sentry's so sure that our references to the Spanish forum were meant to be antagonistic, how can he be sure that we, too, are not Hispanic? What a load of horse crap.

But speaking out of both his face and his arse, while telling of his makeup, certainly is NOT becoming.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Linda is correct. Give up your CL title and get the boot. If Sentry says anything different, he's flat out lying. He's such a piece of work.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
John, is that you? I would have expected nothing less from you... you are such a PAB...
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Destruction of the evidence - it's all part of their cover up.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
The smart money is on JohnBorder/John_B/SideshowBob/Optimus Prime/PAB

I suspect he's hiding his true identity because he's a part time mod over there... it's a good gig if you can get it - be a user AND a mod... but there's no conflict of interest at all, at least that's what the at&t mods claim...
[Off-topic] :
Nope, I'm not John_B. Keep guessing.
[Off-topic] JohnB_:
FJ, I'm sorry if I have offended you. I don't post here often just because I don't have time. I have nothing against you. Frankly I thought of you as a friend :( Sorry if I did something to tick you off.

*editted to add:

I've watch this thread from time to time (mostly when someone PMs me a link to a new post). I wish things had gone down differntly over there. If there is anything you want to discuss with me you should have my e-mail from when I bought the razr from you.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Hey there XDA_IS_Loserville. I know who you are. Are you afraid your real identity will get you fired from at&t?

(No wilcre, I'm not pointing the finger at you.)

Want to PM me to talk? I've been waiting for some time now.

And yes guilty as charged for egging on the mod, not mods. I only chastised Wireless Foreman for moving a thread from the VCM to the public forum before checking it for content that shouldn't be seen by the general public. He didn't want to admit he made a mistake and got his panties in a wad over it.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
I think you're right, GWelker. XDA_is_Loserville sounds a whole lot like Sentry. I base that on his post in the "private" forum that was posted here.

And if that's the case, he needs to be reported to someone higher up at AT&T for "cyber stalking" the ones he banned. If he wants to continue his reign of terror on the AT&T forums, that's one thing. But to come here and exhibit the same type of behavior is quite another. . . Not too becoming for a corporate "official", would you say?? :mad:

His post is just further proof of his character. . . or -- should I say -- lack thereof. :confused:
[Off-topic] Athena:
Watch it there Mr. Junkie... I've got a ripe juicy salmon right here

*Athena points to the big fat salmon laying on the ground*
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Once again he underscores his glaringly incompetent managerial ability. On the one hand he says he is in charge and clears these things with att management. Then, when pressed, as in the case of a simple listing of Community "Leaders" he lies and then says if you want to know anything else talk to the contract admin from the company att has hired to operate the fora. A true manager leads and inspires; he does not cower behind the skirt of an underling.
[Off-topic] Athena:
Obviously its pretty boring in the CL lounge now that you can't talk **** about members, or post anything, in fear of it ending up here.

Yeah, its definitely a lot better now that you've been stifled.
[Off-topic] Athena:
He can't.. It would be "unmoderator-like" to do so..

Oh wait.. He's already unmoderator like. SO what's the problem?
[Off-topic] Athena:
John, I would certainly hope its not you.

I know that we obviously don't see "eye-to-eye" on the moderation tactics used over at the AT&T forum. (the lying, covering up, belligerence, the double talk, etc.). But certainly you have more class then to come here with a fake and disparaging name to talk trash to us.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I would hope so... and I can also admit it when I am wrong. John, please accept my apology.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
It takes a big person to say "I'm sorry". . .And, an even bigger one to accept that apology.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Hey, on a side note, does anyone know how far Beaverton Oregon is from Hillsboro Oregon?
[Off-topic] kyphur:
Okay, I'm banning this username because its offensive. If you can't find a neutral or positive username then you're better off left out in the cold.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
According to Switchboard, it's only 11.2 miles. Why do you ask??
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
:eek: *GASP* :eek:
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
I guess that means their "alter ego" won't be back here, either. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Just because the user name XDA_IS_Loserville is banned, doesn't mean you can't PM me. You used your real name here. I told you I know who you are. You can save face right now and come clean. I've told the members of the "sabbatical group" who you are and they are itching to tell your employer. Or at least tell the ones who pay your employer. The only reason I haven't ousted you yet is because I don't have any beef with you. But from your OP, apparently you do with me. Last chance....
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
.....and fade to black.

As The Globe Turns will return after this short break:p
[Off-topic] JohnB_:
I accept.

It wouldn't let me type just that so I had to add this sentince to be able to submit this post!
[Off-topic] JohnB_:
it depends on what part of each town you are talking about. It takes about 20 - 30 minutes to get from downtown hillsboro (near where I am) to get to down town beaverton, but only about 10 minutes to get to the Beaverton city limit line.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Turning the dogs loose

OK, Mr. Loserville.... I gave you a chance to come clean. I am not holding anybody back from telling everyone who you are. If you are wondering who ratted you out, maybe your closest friends are not so close after all.

I think someone else deserves the honor of letting the cat out of the bag. So I'm gonna leave it up to them.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Let him out already!
[Off-topic] donnana:
You shouldna used The Farce, John

The preexisting conflict of interest, with your being a paid moderator and a user at the AT&T Forums, was bad enough. Now you add to that what appears to be a reflection of AT&T's opinion(s) (by your choice of a user name). This isn't looking so good, JohnBoy. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I believe that my apology was a bit premature. I've been informed by a little birdie that XDA_is_loserville really IS the Lithium Mod formerly know as Sideshow Bob... that's right folks, it is none other that at&t's own John Border. Now you owe ME an apology, Mr Border. (BTW, don't you just love little birdies? They teach you that you never really know who you can trust.)

I meant what I said when I suggested that I thought John Border had more class than to pull this crap... but unless he can prove beyond any doubt that it is not he, I am gonna shout it from the rooftops.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
Well, Well, Well. . . now, this really IS a turn of events. :eek:

Maybe someone needs to let Lithium know about this. I'm asuming the posts by XDA_IS_Loserville was from the part time Lithium moderator, while the posts from JohnB_ are from the AT&T customer/alter ego. :rolleyes:

And, since the former is now banned, those initial posts will still be there for Lithium to see. I wonder if those posts mirror Lithium's opinion, as well.

We shall see. . . Now, the plot REALLY thickens. . . stay tuned. :cool:
[Off-topic] JohnB_:
FJ, I don't know how to prove to you that it isn't me. I won't apologize for what someone else said.

Wish we could have stayed friends :(

Since the only reason I came to these particular boards was to try and reconcile and you guys apparently don't want to I won't come back and bother you anymore.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Ok, you can run away and hide, or you could grow up and deal with this issue like an adult.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Now a word about our sponser

.....as the music builds (Who Let the Dogs Out) the screen fades to black.

This episode of As The Globe Turns has been brought to you by the folks at the AT&T Fourm, the best in online reality shows.:eek:

(It just doesn't get any better than this!!??!!)
[Off-topic] nightrider:
I hope you come back and respond to this question. Since you are a mod and based on all that was said in here, and the absolute silence from the AT&T moderators, don't you think that the ones banned have a leg to stand on and that the moderators over there went too far with their power hunger and kept on digging the ditch deeper and deeper as they went along? It sure seems that they did not know how to handle the situation and they panicked big time and the only thing they know how to do is to put their 2 cents in and then lock and not allow people to respond to them and call them out on their mistakes and miss-information. Look over there and see the new rule, discussion on banned people are now a taboo over there. That sure shows that they are wrong and they are trying to hide some thing big time. I also feel that all users over there need to be aware of such tactics and if many find out we will most likely see the ultimate fall of that forum (which from what I see right now is already happening). I think the loss is a great loss for AT&T they lost unpaid supporters and all that is left there are the ones that make a living off AT&T and those would not dare to say a thing against them as that would for sure call for a retaliation reaction from those moderators.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
This is an insult to my intelligents John. I've been expecting you and I KNOW Loserville is your alter ego. You DID NOT come here to reconcile. You showed up right after FJ called you out and your OP was only to claim your not Loserville. If reconciliation was your agenda you would have been here a long time ago.

I didn't think me and you had a problem, but from your Loserville post I see you do with me at least. Well, I now have a problem with you. You took the BS WF and Sentry fed you and believed it. As a Lithium mod, you really disappoint me.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
You can bet your bottom dollar that the discussion of the banned members is NOT taboo in the new CL secret chamber.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I just don't know what to think about this post. To accept FJ's apology is pretty pathetic. It would have been best to say nothing.

And another thing, your alter ego's words....

Those sound like the thoughts and words of Wireless Foreman. Like FJ and some others pointed out. Lithium mods are doing the at&t mods dirty work.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
From the Other Side

Lets see how long this post lasts: :confused:

Having a problem with

WhoopyDoo4U

New User

Posts: 28

Registered: 10-30-2007

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11-25-2007 06:12:20 AM

Is John_B the same person as the mod OptimusPrime? I see he says he is a mod here in that xda thread. Also is he the same person as XDA_IS_Loserville? That user was banned from xda for the inflammitory name and antagonising the former members who were banned from here. How can a user be a mod and a member? Isn't that a conflict of interest? I guess if this post gets deleted, I will have my answer.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Responce from The Other Side

Two hours after original post:rolleyes:

Re: Having a problem with [ NEW ]

tashina

Moderator

Posts: 105

Registered: 08-16-2007

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This thread is temporarily locked for moderator response. Please do not start new threads on the topic. Thanks!

11-25-2007 08:11:11 AM
[Off-topic] Athena:
Yes! But its still there!! ;) That's good enough. It will probably be removed in the morning.

The post by Toomuchtolearn in the CL thread in the lounge was actually deleted, or archived:

"“sorry for the noob question, but didn’t I read in another thread that John_B is also a moderator on here?? Is that true?? How can that happen?? Is his post as XDA_IS_Loserville meant as a moderator or as a member?

I’m confused. :( "

Hopefully someone screen captured that one.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Considering how this situation goes to the heart of current forum management it is only appropriate that the moderator resonse be from Sentry himself rather than a subordinate. It will be interesting to see how much courage there is in Orlando.
[Off-topic] TooMuchToLearn:
Yes, I did

Both of them, acshuly . . .

I'm glad I ran across those forums. I never would have found this one otherwise. Is it always a mess over there?? I mean with them locking messages all the time?
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Yep. . . it looks to me like shredding the evidence is still going strong over there.

Some things never change. :(
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
It's pathetic actually...all of the double-talk, misinformation and coverup -- you would think National Security was at stake instead of job security :D
[Off-topic] Athena:
I think the NSA can learn a lot from these ones.. :eek:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Maybe we need to check Sandy Berger's pants for more of the missing threads. :)

At this point one thing is abundantly clear: the at&t forums are spinning out of control. Their ongoing lies, cover up and incompetence will certainly be the downfall of that place if at&t doesn't clean it up - from the at&t mods on down. Sentry and WirelessForeman must go if at&t is to save any face. But it's ultimately their call - and their reputation. At least the truth about how that forum is managed by those two is finally being exposed for the world to see.
[Off-topic] Athena:
That's definitely evident. The thread by Whoopy has been edited to the point that you don't even really know the full intent of the message... :rolleyes:

"Is John_B the same person as the mod OptimusPrime? {edit*} How can a user be a mod and a member? Isn't that a conflict of interest? I guess if this post gets deleted, I will have my answer.

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[Off-topic] newbie2:
They sure did a good job of covering up the fact that one of their own could be so libelous and inflammatory away from their own forums, it seems to me. . . and they SURE don't want anything like that to give the company a black eye. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling that enough people saw it before it was edited that there's going to be some questions asked. At least, I certainly HOPE there's going to be an "internal inquiry" on it.