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[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Now you’re doing what you claim of us . Spouting certain facts and details in a way to paint the wrong picture. Like all 65m customers frequent the forums. Get real Paul. I bet less that .1% of that even knows about the forums. Are they allowed to run "wild"? Of course not you pampas ass. They are merely injecting personal feelings and a dictator style into their moderation methods. They have the ability to hide a lot of their crap from management. The fact at&t is so big makes it very easy to do so.

Again, blanket statements with no factual details. You have done far worse than any of us on the forums. But you’re not banned. I guess the banned ones should have followed your example and done a little brown nosing themselves.

One more thing, since your here. Care to share your feelings about the comments you made about GiGi?
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
My comments regarding Gigi stand. What more would you like me to say about it?
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
You clearly do not wish to open your eyes and face the reality of this situation. You membership in the mob, rules your thinking and clearly, nothing said to the contrary will sway you. So, instead, you turn to name calling, to advance your argument. Well done! Every piece of drivel you spout proves my point even further.........
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Paul,

Your tantrums, bullying, and ignorance are really quite tiresome.

You make comments about corporate management being all-seeing and knowing because the company is big. You may want to read up on Barings Bank or look into the current mess in international banking caused by unsupervised low level employees running amok. Also, take a considered look at the American automotive or steel industries.

You should take a deep breath, count to ten and think about how the situation with John Border/OptimusPrime/SideShowBob was resolved. This clown agrees to put a comment in his profile stating that he is a moderator masquerading as a customer and that makes it right? How many people read profiles? How many people would seek to read them thinking that they should because of a duplicitous policy which permits such a travesty? Any competent management would fire whoever thought this up on the spot if they were aware of it. As these two are still employed the management either does not know what they are doing or does know and is not competent.

Notice also that the duo running the forums continue to have underlings front for them rather than do the dirty work themselves. How can you be aware of all of this and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror?

Do you guys draw lots to come over here or are you conscripted? Whatever the answer here is a bit of advice for you and your fellow Community "Leaders" to consider before your next foray from a British general writing in the early 1900's and quoted in todays New York Times: “When planning a military expedition into Pashtun tribal areas, the first thing you must plan is your retreat. All expeditions into this area sooner or later end in retreat under fire"
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
ROFL.. ain't that the pot calling the kettle black. You come here calling us "kiddies", and now you ridicule me for calling you names.

*George hands Paul some more rope*

Oh, one more thing. I rather have my thinking influenced by the mob, than two butt cheeks.

*Have we elected a mob leader yet? I nominate donnana. She has more balls than the rest of us. :p *
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
No need to say more. That pretty much sums it up. Thank you. :)
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Bravo!

Would that all boards were moderated by people such as you.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Saw your post and I debated on whether to post a reply back on this forum but since the subject of me was brought up again, I thought I'd waste a few minutes of "your" time.

Paul, I don't know you and you don't know me. I have become acquaintances through pm's and post with alot of the VCM and other members on the at&t forum over the past few years. NONE of them contacted me about this forum, if it wasn't for a quick post I read from someone name whoopy - I wouldn't have ever known about this forum or where some of the missing VCM'ers went. I came here to say hello to them WITH the same user name I have on at&t's forum. I have nothing to hide - I've told some of the Mods that I was upset about the VCM closing, they respected my opinions - they are my opinions after all. As a Christian, you're supposed to show kindness to all but OH wait you said I was a religious zealot. :confused: I had to look that one up because I wasn't familiar with that term (never been called that before). I found the definition here:

A person who has ruined religion by using it for his own personal gain and to make him seem like (s)he's better than non-religious people.

Is that the definition that you meant? Could you please point to the post on the at&t forum where I've said I'm better than anyone else because of my religious beliefs? I don't think you will find ANY. I'm not better, I make mistakes just like the rest, I'm human. When I do make a mistake, I do ask forgiveness and/or apologize.

If I was worried about posting a hello or a few comments here I could've come here with a different user name like some of the others have. Of course, then you would have probably knew it was me and said "Why are you hiding? Are you ashamed of your comments!?" You see I don't feel like I can win with you. Have I ever done anything to you, personally?

I don't expect to ever get into the CL board and really I don't care. I'm not on the forum to cause havoc, I'm there to help newbies like I once was. Is that a sin? If so, I'm guilty! I like helping other members! I'm a member of several forums and one that I'm a valued member of is taking up alot of my times these days - which is fine because I'm willing to help all! Oh and in that post in the Lounge where I stated the forums I'm a member of - I listed this one because I figured if I didn't someone would bring it up (either in the CL board or pms) :rolleyes: - so for the record I don't consider myself a "member" of the xda boards more like a recent poster. You see I didn't know what xda was when I came here - not to offend any xda members but I think to be a valued member you need to know a little about pda(s) :D

Thank you for taking the time to read my post!

Now guys and gals - it's Christmastime and you've got better things to do with your family and friends - life is precious enjoy the time you have with them!

God bless! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

I'm out of here! ;)
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Nice post GiGi77.

Be assured nobody else thinks that of you. Pay no attention to this schoolyard bully as he really isn't worth it.

In the event we don't have the pleasure of your company in the near future here's best wishes for you and yours for the holiday season.
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
A bit more appropriate maybe..........

From Websters:

Zealot - A zealous person:

zealous

One entry found.

zealous

Main Entry: zeal·ous

Pronunciation: \ˈze-ləs\

Function: adjective

Date: 1526

: filled with or characterized by zeal : marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal <zealous missionaries>
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
After supposedly being part of the AT&T forums for a time, I would think you would recognize that I have my own style and opinions about most things. To accuse me of linking up with ANYONE is totally rediculous. I guess it helps you believe the trash that you continue to spew though, eh?

I tow no company line, I am aligned with no individuals, but I have my eyes wide open and the advantage of logical reason on my side. You guys, on the other hand, continue to make your argument based on emotion, lies and accusations, few if any of which are based on facts.

I will stand by my claim that the AT&T mods are much more scrutinized and directed on a day-to-day basis then you care to imagine. It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. While I have no "inside info" to demonstrate my beliefs as 100% correct, I have seen nothing from "the mob" demonstrating otherwise. All you have going is a witch hunt. Plain and simple.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
No question about the fact that you have a recognizable style. Were I a believer in reincarnation I guess I'd be saying something like "Well, Guys, looks like Attila the Hun is back. Pass the word that the women should save the last bullet for themselves."

Thanks for clearing up the confusion we had about your logical thinking and independence.

By the way, I am amazed you automatically think I am/was a forum member. Perhaps I am an employee, maybe based in Orlando, who uses his cell phone to post during breaks while on the clock.
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Better yet..... Perhaps I could care less who you are. Perhaps, but I doubt it.:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
It is pretty clear to me what you meant.

I interpret that as you think GiGi's participation in this thread is in conflict with being a Christian. In other words, you called her a hypocrite.

A hypocrite calling someone else a hypocrite. Isn't there a term for that?

This is a no brainer. You called GiGi two faced. :mad: I would like for you to try and spin that one to mean something else.

GiGi has taken no sides in this matter. Your comments about her paint a pretty clear picture of the kind of person you are.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Paul,

You are way out of your league.

I tried to be polite but now let me put it another way. I could care less about your obnoxious personality and the bandwidth you waste. What I care about is the way you abuse users seeking help on that forum. I also care about the fact that the mods there permit you to behave like a first class jerk with paying customers who are seeking help with their phones. I find it disappointing that you believe that senior att management condones this aggressive brutality towards paying customers.

My guess is that you behave completely differently with the 80 or whatever the number is of travelling salesmen you support. I am sure they would just punch you out if you did that to them in real life.
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Out of my league??????? With you???? What a self absorbed imbicile you are! I am not an AT&T Employee and don't portray myself as one. When a poster comes in with an attitude to the forums, I'm of the belief that they should be treated in kind (and that goes with any situation and not just internet forums). If AT&T management finds that objectionable and finds that I should be tossed out, so be it.

I do think you'll notice that when a poster comes in without a chip on their shoulder, I treat them with the same attitude they come in with. If and when AT&T begins sending me regular paychecks for my involvement, they MAY have more say over my style of participation..... But even that I doubt would changeme.

It all comes back to being a Grown Up and being able to handle the truth. No kid gloves and no thin skin. Don't give out more than you can take....... You might find yourselves on the outside, licking your wounds with others of your kind! Ooops! Too late.........
[Off-topic] kyphur:
I guess since you're "Here, in our Forum" you won't mind if I "Settle this Dispute" (Yes I'm a fan of The People's Court) by banning you for repeatedly insulting our members by calling them names.

:cool: Kyphur pulls the "Big Hammer of Ban" from his back pocket,

Sets Jameson! (and his diaper) firmly on the mat,

Exercising only a Wee Bit of Excessive Force...

Jameson! is Disappeared (finally) :eek:​
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Goodby Jameson!
[Off-topic] kyphur:
Hey, I don't have any Horn(s)... on top of my head anyway...
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
Yikes! Jameson called someone ELSE self-absorbed...now that's FUNNY!!! :D
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Is this more accurate?
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Man, you can't make this stuff up. The audacity of jameson coming in here to fight a battle of wits while only half-armed.

I will miss him around here... NOT!
[Off-topic] torquemada:
He was warned to have a retreat plan worked out but he chose not to listen. :)
[Off-topic] donnana:
I'm so sorry you had to take time out to look that up. We could've told you what it meant. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] donnana:
Cool - I accept. I must confess, I actually froze them off last winter, but I keep them in a zip lock in my purse for for(u)mal occasions. Oh wait. The nom hasn't been seconded and stuff. I'll put on some faster music for PC's new tap dance.
[Off-topic] April 1:
I didnt not see his command / warning that NO ONE better open that topic again. So I believe I was banned much before he announced that. May be I could not understand his language, so I was banned for having "poor english knowledge". I conclude that he issued the warning immediately after banning me.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Everyone should have a pair

I'll second the motion just because of your awesome quote about keeping them in your purse for for(u)mal occasions. :D
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
wrong quote - ignore this
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Jameson posts sure point to a trait of a person with a week personality in real life. With such a week personality he seems to take out his anger from his work and other real life issues on others out in the forums as no one can know he he is or be able to touch him. His type of attitude here and as it seems to be in the AT&T forums only point to the fact. Don't we all know from life's experiences that one that can not do in one location goes and does what he wants in another location so he can feel superior and that he accomplished laying his anger and blame on other innocent parties as an escape for his failure to do so where he is supposed to do that. Like was said, he would have probably been out on the street if he did what he is doing at work. His banning is not a loss for this forum but it is a big gain of not having a person like this communicate with such a friendly community. I have looked more and more into the AT&T forums and can say that it is even worse than I thought it would be especially with the presence of the likes of Jameson.

On another matter, I really think his responses to GIGI are way out of place and he needs to learn how to read her responses and he owes her a BIG apology. Since he can not do that here I wish and hope that he has the honor to at least do that via a message in some form to her. If he does not then we all know then that this person has no respect for himself and as we all know one must first respect himself for others to respect him.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
All I can say is . . . it's a good thing you don't work for MY employer. With that kind of attitude towards paying customers, you'd have been booted to the outside looking in a LONG time ago. While the corporation I work for doesn't advocate "the customer is always right", neither do they condone being rude and demeaning to those customers. . . and it wouldn't take very many phone calls from mistreated customers to find yourself jobless.

But, wait . . . that would give you MORE free time to be the UNpaid, rude, pompass troll that you already are. That should make you happy -- considering AT&T apparently advocates your type of behavior on the forums. And that type of behavior is exactly what is going to be the ultimate demise of those same forums. Which forums are you going to terrorize when that happens?? I'd like to know so I don't join them. Oh, Wait!! You can't tell me because you've been BANNED!!!! :D :rolleyes: :cool: (Doesn't matter -- I could spot your arrogant posts a mile away)
[Off-topic] Athena:
Our new ringleader

I third the nomination, and motion for a vote.

All in favour?

AYE!!!
[Off-topic] nyckid58:
Amazement..

Forgive me for jumping into yall's fun but I do have to state after reading through the 66 pages of what has been described as one of the best dramas I have read in a while that I applaud the Banned Ones and there supporters for what they are doing now.

The gist of what I have seen is it started in an unadulterated fest of bashing a couple of moderators who read some of Hitler's best works (through the first few pages anyway) then turned into an offset shot at maybe rectifying mistakes of these moderators through a group effort before being interrupted by there lackies. As I said, a fantastic read of corporate neglect to have enough supervision to keep reigns on those who need to be.

Point of all this isn't to mock what this thread is, but to bow to those who are willing to stand and fight. I wish my luck to you guys and hopefully justice in it's truest form will prevail for you all and may karma come three fold back on those that have chose to make your group adversaries.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
There is one more thing I wish could come of this thread. That is for one of the two mods in question to come here and engage us in some dialogue. I can't speak for everybody else, but I SWEAR I for one will be civil. I will trade a public apology for calling them names to have one appearance.

The specific things I would like them to address are>>>

1. Why did April 1 get banned for expressing his disapproval and objections [via PMs] to Sentry

2. Why was FoneJunkie banned for congratulating someone in Spanish. (when it's been done a thousand times in the lounge)

3. Why was I banned for cracking a joke to another member, when it had nothing to do with mods.

4. Why did Community Leaders get kicked out of the VCM forum for resigning their CL status.

5. Although donnana asked to be banned, and she was quite rude about it, ( you go girl! ) it shows her frustration of the situation. They could have gave her a temp ban and ask to work it out after that.

There are others that have been banned for one reason or another, these are just the situations I know the most about.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Emailed to Ralph de la Vega (President/CEO of AT&T Mobility)

Mr. de la Vega,

I am a long time customer of Bellsouth/Cingular/AT&T. I have had great service up until approximately the last six months. In a previous email to Mr. Sigman, I talked about one of the problems that had occurred and he and his staff were very helpful. I really appreciated that. Now, I would like to bring another problem to your attention. This problem involves many more customers than just myself and I hope that you will give it a few minutes of your time.

Shortly after buying an 8525, I joined the AT&T support forum so that I could keep up with when the WM6 upgrade would be available. What I experienced in that forum was rude and heavy handed moderation by Sentry and a few other mods. After becoming frustrated over getting absolutely no official communication from AT&T about the WM6 upgrade and the mods deleting posts and locking threads, I was banned. I posted about my experience with the AT&T forums on another forum and soon found that I wasn't the only victim of abusive AT&T moderators. Long-time AT&T forum members began posting about being banned over personal disagreements with Sentry and Wireless Foreman. How many customers have been abused by these two moderators? How many customers will change cell phone providers because of how they were treated in the AT&T forum?

I'm asking you to take a look at what's happening in the AT&T forum and what has been posted about the moderators in this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335566.

Thank you,

M.D. Hensley
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Thank you for taking the initiative and drawing Mr. de la Vega’s attention to this thread and the problems the ATT forum is creating not only for customers but also for ATT’s image.

Hopefully, in addition to understanding customer perceptions of the forum and its moderators, he will gain a greater insight into the actions of some employees, third party contractors, and favored forum members -- particularly the degree to which their activities detract from ATT’s reputation and standing with customers.

I am sure that any participant in this thread would be more than willing to respond to any requests for additional information his office may have after reading what has been said.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
I'd be interested to know if you get a response to that email -- and, yes -- I'd DEFINITELY be more than willing to put my 2c worth in, too. Keep us posted.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
When I emailed Mr. Sigman, I received a telephone call within 24 hours and had my problem resolved in less than a week. It would be great to get the same kind of response from Mr. de la Vega.
[Off-topic] April 1:
Few more points:

1. All these banned members helped AT&T / Cingulars customers for years, devoting their valuable time and money

2. Voices or Questions were raised only in private rooms, we never showed unhappiness in open forums as we were concerned for AT&T image

3. No one was specifically warned (as far as I know) to refrainfrom certain actions. In my case, I found that I am suddenly banned, what a shame!!!

4. We are all human being and prone to make mistakes and should be given chances to correct ourselves if we are heading towards a wrong direction, even Sentry wrote me through PM that he was sorry and had appologized publicly (though I didnt see that appology anywhere), why didnt he ban himself?

One question: Do SF&S know what good we have done for the AT&T / Cingular community? Each of us can replace their many of Tech Reps and that too free, yes we are proud of our knowledge and experience. Challenge: Prove that we have hurt the interests of AT&T and not helped the community.

I used to wonder why do we have word "HATE" in our dictionary, now I understand it as I hate WF&S now, I hate not their persons, I hate their style of working. I am sorry, I am not used to use bad words but I used them here just to express my disapproval of their behavior and attitudes.
[Off-topic] nightrider:
April 1 you have said plenty here and they were to the point and you sure seem to have added the strength to the others complaints. I have taken a look at your help posts and I have to say that they need to be ashamed to what they have to you. I also think that the respect they wanted to be given to them by the users was not met by the counter respect from them. Looking at what you have said it sounds, like was said before, if you do not do as they want then you are out. Another question, did they lure you to take it privately into private messages and only ending up banning you? Did they give you a fair warning that if they do not like your responses then you will be banned? My bet on the answer on those question is a big NO. With that in mind, I can only come up with one explanation and that explanation is to lure you out of the Special section and take you on privately and then Ban you without letting the others see what is going on and in the end they can say that you miss behaved and that is why they banned you. They really should be ashamed of themselves for following such a deceiving tactic.
[Off-topic] April 1:
1. No, I was never lured by them to PMs, infact I wrote PMs to them as I never wanted initially to express my unhappiness even in VCM before other VCMers.

2. No, I was never directly warned.
[Off-topic] nightrider:
So you wanted to do so away from the eyes of others and not stirr the pot and the result of you being nice and not making any trouble in public or semi-public, they rewarded you with a BAN and this for sure looks like they disregarded your long time presence and your valuable help to other forum users. This mean that they really do not care about the customers and that they think that the forums there are only a front for some marketing gimmick for the company. My bet is when management sees these posts they will be amazed as to how far their forums has gone down with the loss of users like you. Hopefully the Big Guns at AT&T do come in here and read these posts.