yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Spybreak:
No camera can expose just a certain part. If you "expose for the face" the rest of the scene's exposure changes too to compensate for that change in the area you actually want to expose correctly.

The way the iPhone and the S7 work is you tap in an object and it will focus and expose to that spot. If you then want to compensate the exposure manually you swipe on the screen upwards or downwards to manually increase or decrease the exposure. I would expect the 10 to do this too (don't have mine yet) as its the best way to handle exposing on a phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] The-Last-Hylian:
I read a comment someone had left on a blog somewhere saying that they prefer images like the one that the HTC 10 produces as they don't over sharpen images like the S7 does.

While at first people might prefer the S7 camera as the images 'pop', a semi-professional photographer will prefer the HTC 10 images as they can eak more detail out in Photoshop, whereas the S7 images are already maxed out and can't benefit from additional tinkering.

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Found the comment I mentioned above:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
I think the M9 and M8 does that. Tapping on the face, both focus and does exposure setting on the face. Problem is it blows out the exposure on the brighter areas. Thus lots of people are getting blown out shots. I think that is why HTC implemented the current method of metering on the 10.

From my limited experience using the 10, I wished it could have made the final photo slightly brighter. Think someone suggested using pro mode and set exposure compensation of +0.33 (EV)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
if you let it get focus on the face itself, just aim and let it tell you then what happens ?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] OGhoul:
Right, and that's how it normally works. It's not that it's selectively changing the exposure on just the face (in this example), its that it's setting exposure based on where you touch (thus blowing out the sky or underexposing other details).

That's why we're grateful for how HTC is handling it on the 10. Set your focus, then manually play with exposure for your desired effect.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Pfft, of course it's capable. It does 2160p30, why on earth wouldn't it be capable of 1080p60?

FYI, pixels per second

1080p30 - 62 Mpix/s

1080p60 - 124 Mpix/s

2160p30 - 248 Mpix/s

Just to put that into perspective, the Hexagon 680 DSP has an L2 cache onto which the camera sensor can vomit 1.2Gpixels per second.

That's 12 followed by 8 zeroes pixels. Or 1200 Mpix.

The reason we don't have 1080p60 is because of exposure and frame rate.

Look at the night club videos where the fps drops when the lights go out.

HTC rather drop some frames vs letting the video be "too dark".

I'd much rather want to adjust the video settings myself so I could get that smooth frame rate...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gusoldier:
What is this psx auto enchance?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
Photoshop Express app
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gusoldier:
Nice app just tried it. I wish there was an easy to bulk auto enhance/sharpen/reduce noise like this app. Any tips?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Photoshop. Script and automate away to your hearts content.

And no I don't mean some dinky Andoid app.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
Edjit: wrong thread, sorry
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
Did some testing tonight. Took lots of pictures in low light with auto, pro auto, and google camera. Some things ive noticed.mthis camera is still slow when using tap to focus in the dark on auto. Sometimes when even taking a photo on auto with no tap to focus a majority of pics are blurry. One thing i did notice was even just opening pro mode with all settings to auto made pictures come out alot better.

Not sure why. Maybe pro mode with all settings to auto has better processing. Also i found the google camera focused better and took better photos on auto than stock on auto.

Now keep in mind this was in very low light. Just thot id post my findings.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] droidiac13:
I'm just not that impressed at all with low light pictures. A lot of noise in the photos. A. Lot.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Because HTC is cranking the ISO to 3200 WAY too easily. Use manual mode until they fix it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
in auto mode I would reduce the exposure slider (which lowers ISO) and disable auto HDR for low light
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
HTC 10 - Darkness tests software: 1.30.709.1
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
yeah. I see that too. You really need to go into pro mode to crank the iso down to get good lowlight photos. Which is disappointing

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if i have to swipe that insanly slow slider 50 times on auto i might as well go into pro mode or just use pro mode all the time and leave everything on auto and just adjust the iso lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vicvega:
Would be good to see a comparison of before and after the new software update. If someone already posted or commented on this, then I apologize.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
I'm just not that impressed. I honestly believe my 6p captures better photos in Auto mode. I'm not a photographer and most of the people who use smartphones could care less about manual controls for quick snaps( see iPhone sales).

If I have to use pro mode just to capture a decent picture of my kids then we have a serious problem. I know the photo buffs will probably thumb their noses, but I could care less. The phone should be more than capable of getting decent pictures without having to adjust everything manually.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vicvega:
These were before the software update.

No flash fluorescent lighting

Overcast day construction

Photos taken after software update to follow.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
6p uses a post processing software trick called HDR+ and has latency, you take a shot and then you wait, not great with kids, turn it off and see how the 6P image quality goes down hill

on the 10 you have two ways, slide down the slider or cap the ISO in pro mode, you can use pro mode in JPG only, which is pretty effortless
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
HDR+ really isnt as slow as you act like it is. Have you ever used it or a Nexus 6p? Its very convenient for the average shooter to use hdr+ than have to slide that dump exposure slider 50 times on tap to focus. Most typical customers also will probly never look at the pro mode also.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Does HDR+ from the Google camera app work on the HTC 10? If it does, hopefully it work pretty well since it has the same sensor as the 6P?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
Nope, if it did I'd definitely be using it. HDR+ is really quick actually. The post processing is the slow part, but the capturing blazing fast.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
yeah that would be great. lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
2016_05_12-15-24_IMAG0727.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_12-15-24_IMAG0727-Lightroom.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_12-15-24_IMAG0727_NIK_HDR_Efex_Pro_2.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_12-15-24_IMAG0727-Photoshop_Express by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Sample from my Canon EOS 70D

Canon_EOS_70D_2016_05_12-17-24_IMG_6942.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Canon_EOS_70D_2016_05_12-17-24_IMG_6942_NIK_HDR_Efex_Pro_2.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mazzai:
Nothing personal, just one shot. Left Huawei P9, right Nexus 5X (same sensor in HTC10). Both in RAW. Still think that HTC have better DR?

http://imgur.com/yjKn3oU
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=7089513]mazzai[/MENTION]

for me htc is better, for you huawei. problem solved!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
Pretty sure those arent the real accurate colors on the p9 photo lol.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Stephen:
Messing around with my 10. Loving this phone. Best phone I have had so far (possible exception the infamous HTC HD2 :) ) but love the camera, I am on 1.30 firmware and camera. This is a simple photo I took in standard photo mode with everything on auto.

Here is another I took in RAW with everything in auto.

Definitly the beast camera I have had yet!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
I'm the average Joe when it comes to photo taking. I am NOT the guy that has an eye for photography. Hell, I just want to be able to take decent pictures of my kids and the car without having to read a book about how to get the best shot. I don't have very many hipster friends either so not like I can get advice there .
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
So true. Making excuses for this phones camera by saying all you have to do is use the exposure slider or go into promode and jack the iso down isnt a valid excuse when you do not have to do that on the s7e or g5 to get good low light photos. HTC touted excellent lowlight photos. I wouldnt have suck a big problem with this phone if when you did tap to focus it didnt put the green circle until it actually was focused. Sometimes its not all the way focused. Its almost like they put the green circle up there to fool consumers into thinking it focuses as fast as the s7e. Also id be more happy if the exposure slider in auto was by the shutter button and not some tiny ass slider u have to swipe 50 times at lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
2016-05-13_09-29-54 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016-05-12_21-51-16 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
This is photothread best served by sharing actual photos you want to keep bashing the same did horse be my guest but take it somewhere elsewhere probably the reviews thread, same goes for the P9 lover who is throwing judgments about our 12bit RAW without even touching an HTC 10 DNG
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
And we're talking about photo quality. We on this device as well as a couple others so we can compare shots between each of the devices. Since it's the photo thread we are entitled to our opinions. Like I said before I'm not a professional photographer so I do not want to have to mess with exposure settings in the least. I'm merely speaking my point that my 6p takes more Vivid photos in auto mode then my HTC does.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] omersak:
I think what he means is that it'd be helpful if you could post comparison pictures or samples where the 6P is doing better than the HTC 10. I know I'd definitely be interested in those as I've had the 6P before and know what it's camera was capable off.

Who knows, perhaps after looking at the pictures you may even get advice which helps increase the image quality of the HTC 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Adam182:
Does anyone know why even though I have the camera set to save to SD card I'm still getting copies on both SD card and internal? Thanks
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
My family has the S7e, HTC10 and iPhone 6s+ at the moment. Honestly, the S7e, does have an advantage over the 10 at low light shots at the moment.

About the slider, I hope people know you can swipe anywhere using the full height of the screen to make the adjustments, it is not limited to tiny swipes beside the green circle. So when I am using it, it's usually one swipe at most two.... Not 5, or 50 swipes....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Yes it is. Let's put it in perspective.

1.6 seconds from capture tap > image stored. I can jerk myself off faster than that.

Also inb4 that's 5X I'm talking about 6P blabla. It's the same camera architecture.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nosferatu.:
Here's some 1080p footage I took with the HTC 10 camera. Considering having to shoot into the sun I don't think it did a bad job.

Enjoy cars? You'll enjoy the quick video. All I had to do was re-encode the file since I came to realize using "high quality audio" basically makes it FLAC at 96khz. It didn't play nicely with most of my video editing software so I had to convert it down to 48khz. I won't be using the high res audio again. Forced me to basically re-encode the original files to make it work. Otherwise looked okay to me.

[YOUTUBE]3zxmyeeK1OM[/YOUTUBE]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Auto HDR

Sky is to bright... but yeah...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
shoot in raw and use photoshop express or snapseed
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
or just bring down the exposure slider and as noted you can do that anywhere onscreen after setting your focus
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mazzai:
Developed about 20-30 HTC 10 DNG, then decided to buy Huawei. Can't see the benefits of 12bit :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=7089513]mazzai[/MENTION]

dynamic range is not a nice colored picture, 12bit includes 4096 lights and shadow steps (jpg = 8Bit = 256 steps)

you confused this with a hdr pic (high dynamic range)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
Why should we have to do this when other phones adjust more appropriately in Auto mode. This phone is amazing outside of HTC's terrible camera implementation.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
I don't have a computer with me. So.... Lightroom for Android is the best I can do. But I'm not really well versed in Post editing, nor do I have the time to do all that :(

But I've seen your pictures. They're certainly impressive and make me want to try it out.

But that makes the whole Picture to dark. I pretty much like the brightness and color if the lake and trees around.

One more:

Dng will come when I find WLAN.

Auto

Pro Auto:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
you guys seems to be determined for nagging rather than constructive community work to milk the juice out of your phone, which is what XDA is all about (or was)

so on that note i am out, enjoy crying but i am not interested
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
If being number 2 in all camera phones in 2016 is considered as ''terrible'' you mustn't buy a smartphone at all then, perhaps a Full Frame camera could satisfy slightly your expectations
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Full frame? Full frames terrible, he needs a medium format Phase One with the 100MP back :D:D haha
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rado_vr6:
And this is what I'm taking about.... The average user is NOT up to date on cameras or other types of photography tools(lightroom, psx, etc). They want to point and shoot and get a halfway decent picture without having to manually adjust anything. Don't believe me, look at iPhone and Galaxy sales. Although the Galaxy line has a pro mode, it's more than capable of getting a decent shot without.

Unfortunately for the hipster camera "professionals", not everyone wants to mess with ISO and contrast settings before being able to take a decent photo. So instead of telling me and everyone else how " capable" this phone is if you shoot in RAW and post process, why not tell us how to capture a decent picture without having to do all the extra steps? After all, that's what the majority of people want.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gusoldier:
For good auto mode the only option is to wait till HTC finetunes the camera with several updates.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
yes ok but you are also not an embcile so telling you to move the slider slightly down in challenging shots is not blasphemy and its not asking you to solve rubbik's cube either

there are two tips, pro mode in which your point is valid or slider control which is a vital function of the auto mode and hence we are indeed telling you "how to capture a decent picture"

HTC does us a favour here actually by decoupling focus from exposure will allow much more varied type of shots and granular control even as an average user, you can focus on the flower and control the light elsewhere not forcing you with a simple but helpless solution plus prevents you from burning out shots by mistake but hey to each his own

anyway i think the OP [MENTION=2322403]lost_[/MENTION] should set a rule for this thread that we need to post photos rather than talk talk talk otherwise i think we should open a separate photos only thread like usual
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
HTC 10 camera vs green - midday and backlit sw: 1.30.709.1
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ASAB1594:
even worst cameras HDR will take better photos than the first shot above ^^^
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
Thanks to this thread I at least know that you can swipe the whole screen for the exposure settings. Before that I was trying to swipe just on that bar itself and it was driving me nuts, so I just avoided using it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
I have more or less fixed on using Pro mode till HTC gives a better update.

Daylight shots iso capped at 100 and +0.3EV

Night shots iso capped at 400, can try 800, +0.3EV

Still have not experimented enough with using auto with slider.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Holy smokes! ♥

What values did you change exactly?

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=4586217]rizevnarastek[/MENTION]

photo taken in pro mode with raw - all auto

clarity +60

defog +50

highlights -100

shadows +50

all other changes in your opinion

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2016-05-13_07-05-58 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016-05-13_07-05-40 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] geoff5093:
Those are options in pro mode? Or did you use software to edit it afterwards?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=4133445]geoff5093[/MENTION]

afterwards with Photoshop express

Gesendet von meinem HTC 10 mit Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] daboscovellen:
Auto everything, brought the exposure slider down a swipe to make more true to life.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Diumlol:
Auto mode, not too much experience with pro mode and all. Anywhere to read up and learn how to use it like a veteran?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
Just got the HTC 10 yesterday. I have got some shots of my 3 labradors sprinting and more here -

https://gavinsgadgets.com/2016/05/14/htc-10-camera-action-shots/

and below these were the first shots I literally took.

https://gavinsgadgets.com/2016/05/13/htc-10-first-shots-from-the-camera/
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Hi,

i have tested Super Pano > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neaststudios.superpano

6 pics taken with htc camera and a little bit photoshop express

~6300x3700 pixel

2016-05-14_04-46-33 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

regards

starbase64
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jooosty:
Wow. This phone shoots awesome after some editing ?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
HTC 10 camera vs sunset time sw: 1.30.709.1

these are mostly just auto, not even the exposure slider was used

i would say auto definitely needs a contrast push

HTC 10 album on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/leoside/4cS2JM
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] onedges:
Do you think the front facing camera will ever improve on the HTC 10? I find it's a total joke, both in hardware and image quality. I am using the latest HTC camera app and have updated the system. v1.53.617.5 Why has only a handful of people noticed this?

I know it doesn't auto-focus in Snapchat, but it's more than just Snapchat for me, every single front facing camera application is out of focus when I've used them... it is beyond obvious. Even HTC's camera app doesn't correctly seem to focus on my face, though it's better than third party apps. It's facial recognition loves to use the tip of my nose as a focus point instead of my eyes, and trying to manually set focus points results in it gravitating towards that area, even when I don't click on it, not that either one of these actually work in focusing on me. It also doesn't like to have new focus points added quickly, it doesn't register them. I think it also has a really poor macro range as well, I can't be too close to it under any circumstances. If that is true, that could explain everything.

Whatever processing they're doing too, it's just too heavy, unnatural, and too much JPEG compression being used. It's like live makeup is being applied even when the feature is off, thankfully not at Samsung or LG levels, but in the same league. And there is practically nothing you can do before taking your images either, no white balance option, no exposure compensation (using face detection). I feel it's a requirement to install another camera if you actually care about the front facing camera, but then you may not get the best integration, and why should we have to go this route anyways? And what good is optical stabilization if the images look like crap to begin with? I know this is only my first post here but I had to bring it up. I expected a lot more, given the price and HTC trying to create hype around their new camera.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] elshagon:
Tried it out in Photoshop Express with your settings on a jpeg with auto settings and hdr set to auto:

[IMG="jpg auto settings"]IMAG0189[1] by elshagon, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG="Photoshop Express"]PSX_20160514_224420[1] by elshagon, on Flickr[/IMG]

I probably needed to use less clarity, but it does make for a more vibrant shot if that's the effect you're looking for. I just wish the HTC 10 didn't use Google Photos as it's default gallery and editor. It's just too slow to take a shot and then wait on it to be available. I also liked the HTC gallery app and miss it too. Maybe they'll add it later with raw support
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haz04:
Suggested settings to reduce lens flare in night shots? I don't mind using pro if required.. I have photoshop exp as well.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jetjay:
Did you try to download the old HTC Gallery app through PlayStore? Does it works?

You could also use Snapseed app to edit raw pictures.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sercos72:
In auto mode you can reduce exposure or in pro mode reduce the iso to 400-600.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Urbanlegent:
Hi i have lg g3 which is good cam phone i think.i want to know if the camera of htc 10 is a lot better than g3?or the differenses are not to big?how far the 2016 models are ahead of g3?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] [MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] have you guys dug into the .so files yet to see if there is any tweaks to be made in there. Loved what you guys contributed to the m9
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aer0zer0:
From my morning walk, just a JPEG, AUTOHDR, no raw, still nice
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
yes, but htc has rewritten many
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Next time choose the focus area in the sky so HDR will prevent the photo to have a burned sky