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[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
BG is blowing more smoke

BrianfromNO

Wireless Gnome

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Registered: 03-16-2006

My Device: AT&T Tilt

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In all likelihood, the 8525 will be retired sometime next year. I'm not really sure what you mean by "supporting the phone". They'll continue to provide some limited technical support, but have you ever really turned to AT&T to provide tech support of a PDA phone? Going forward, all 8525s will probably be sold with WM6 pre-installed (save for what stores might have on hand of the WM5 phones). The update is going to be available for 3 months to give WM5 users ample opportunity to flash their phones. After that, AT&T doesn't want to provide another outlets for the pirates who inevitably try to reverse engineer these ROMs to extract extras or freebies that aren't part of the base OS install.

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bcbarnes wrote:

In the announcement for WM6 for the 8525, AT&T says:

This ROM is available from November 1, 2007 to February 1, 2008. After this date, the ROM will be removed from the website and will no longer be available for distribution.

I am really wondering why they are doing this? It sounds very much like AT&T really doesn't want to have WM6 out in the wild for the 8525, but has been forced to do so - and so they are doing it for as short a time as possible.

I ask this because I have an 8525, and my wife is thinking about getting one - but if AT&T isn't going to be supporting that phone any more we will probably look at some other WM6 capable device instead (my wife does NOT want a Tilt).

Brian.

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[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Could this be the "Latino one" that ya'll speak so highly of? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] kyphur:
Just an FYI, pcardoza has received a 1 week ban for reposting their deleted post after being warned by a moderator.

This member joined on the 12th of this month and these two rude posts were the only things ever posted.

Just a little fun here: I've got the local AT&T store referring HTC Device customers to XDA-Developers site for info!
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Sounds like justice is being served in the case of pcardoza and the local store! :)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
No one meant to hurt anyone on the Spanish language forum thread... we were simply discussing it until one of the mods, who happens to be Latino got all butt-hurt over it and took it personally - and then started his vendetta against us. Poor mod.moose - it looks like she got thrown under the bus on that one... it's a shame, too.. she's a real class act.

As for the 'new secret chamber', the feeling is that (1) the old one was compromised because they kicked too many VCM members out/off the whole forum, and (2) it allows them to hand-pick their new lackeys

Anyway, GiGi, good to see you here... hope all is well.

BTW, Hi Sentry! Hi, WirelessForeman! (Hola, mi amigo!)
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
RE: Hiddy Ho!

FJ! If one of the other members hadn't pm'd me I wouldn't have known that so many of you got banned! I really hated it. The VCM was a special retreat over there, now there's no where to go unless you have a Star badge by your name!

I feel sorry for Mod. Moose. Things aren't the same over there and it's sad because it was a great place to get answers, but as I stated in one of my VCM post - some people were getting crusty and plain rude to newbies. People still need help and that's what a forum is all about.

BTW: I'm not a spy for at&t or any moderator. If they want to read the messages over here they will (now that the beans have been spilled about your new digs! :p LOL)

I've picked up on some of the names over here and I've been trying to read between the lines to see who some of these former at&t members are! :confused: Has dmapr or Athena found this place? dmapr was one of the first members to help me when I stumbled on the at&t forum. I heard he lost VCM privileges too but I believe he's still on there.

Stay safe! ;)
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Hey GiGi!!

Hey girl!! Glad to see you over here. And of course we know your not a spy. :p You can see most of us are using the same name here (or close to it).

Now go get you a new at&t Tilt phone and be a part of the "Enlighten Ones". :D
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
GiGi, we knew you weren't a/the spy... you're always welcome to visit! Heck we don't even mind if the 'spies' show up and read this stuff.. it's all the truth. and that never hurt ANYONE. :)
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
RE: Hiddy Ho!

Hey back! (waving wildly!!) Yeah if I was hiding anything I sure wouldn't have used my same user name! LOL duh!

I'll probably be switching carriers somewhere in the right near future (still having the same problem! :mad: ) My niece switched to Alltel and has better service for our area. I'm trying to wait until my other family member's plans are up so that we can all switch at one time (you know we NEEDS them M2M!! lol) Forget the rollovers! :rolleyes:

So how are things with you and yours? Good I hope!
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
RE: Hiddy Ho!

Amen brother! The problem is that some people don't like to hear the truth! :eek:

Thanks for the welcome! I appreciate it! You guys and gals have been missed!
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
If those guys are vouching for you, then you're OK in my book! :)
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Well thank you! The biggest majority of VCM'ers were like a big family at one point or another. Did you have a different name on their forum? Maybe I just didn't frequent the boards you did. Any who, it's nice to meet you! :o Post a note: Oh I just saw your user name over "there" - it was as I suspected a board I didn't frequent! ;0)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Rumor of jameson's demise appear to be greatly exaggerated... we have a confromed sighting as late as 6:15 this evening... he did NOT get banned (yet)...
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Fill me in? Jameson was to get banned over there or over here? I seen a post about a pcardoza getting banned over here - that was his old user id before he switched to Jameson!

Never mind it was over there! (hangs head)
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Hey Jameson!, glad to see you over here. What's up with the book. You not implying "mambers" here are childish are you? Did you suggest this book to Senturd and Wireless Foreskin also? :D
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Just stopped by to check out the level of censorship over here. So far, it ain't looking good! Took me 2 posts to get banned earlier today.

You decide on my motive ofr posting the book info..........:cool:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Ok, fair enough... I will decide what your motives are. ;)

But for my question, did you suggest this book to Senturd and Wireless Foreskin also? I bet you don't dare do so. Oh... they are grown ups over there you say. If so, what reasons can you give for me getting banned?
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
I didn't follow your adventures at all, so can't comment on your banning. I never even really knew about it till this place was discovered.......... Maybe you place too much importance on yourself? Who knows.............
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well let me reiterate, if you hadn't read the entire thread.

First of all, I was kicked out of the VCM for having an opinion that differed from two certain mods. Kicking me out for that was not only unprofessional, but childish.

Then I am banned all together because I crack a joke with another member about noobs, and Wireless Foreskin thinks it was directed at him. He is self serving, paranoid, and cynical to boot.

I made a promise to MM I would take the high road and not retaliate for getting kicked out of the VCM. You can ask her how my behavior was leading up to my banning. Me getting banned was an indication of a personal vendetta by Wireless Foreskin and Senturd.

I never had a problem with you Jameson. I thought we got along. But you can thank the turd twins for the demise of the VCM, and the rift that has formed between many members over there. If you can't see what they have done, (and I don't know how to put this politely) pull your head out of your ass, or theirs and look around.
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
See.......... That's where you school kids gone astray. I'm in there to help others, not to turn the place into a personal chat room. There's a group of you who cannot comprehend the reason for the existence of the forums and why AT&T applies resources to maintain them. It's all about YOU, YOU, YOU....

I'm serious when I suggest that you guys actually read the book! Maybe, just maybe, you'll understand the reasoning, if you read and comprehend it.........

I could not be more serious about this..........
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Have you ever thought of going into politics? You pretty much avoided everything I just got through addressing.
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Jameson surrenders. I'll probably be banned again, when the mod awakens anyway. Enjoy your new "club". You all deserve each other.........
[Off-topic] newbie2:
I have to say I agree with you on the reason the forums exist. Like you, I am there to help, too. . . we ALL were. But apparently our efforts were not/are not appreciated for all the help that we gave and many, many tenured members who devoted time helping others got shut out for no apparent reason other than voicing opinions contrary to how those two mods thought.

The forums have spiraled downward since all the bannings because now it's mostly "noobs helping noobs" without the seasoned, tenured members around anymore to dispell the myths and half-truths floating around on the forums.

The thread here is NOT intended to bash AT&T's forums per se . . . rather to let others know that at this point in time the support resources over there are somewhat. . . er, limited (since a lot of the more knowledgeable members can no longer offer support and advice). At the current rate of bannings of those members, the forums will not have a reason to exist as it will become a "free for all" among those remaining.

I realize there are those still remaining over there who are VERY knowledgeable in their particular area and there are others over there who will eventually "take up the slack". But, eventually is not now -- and NOW is when the help is needed. . . with the release of the Tilt and the release of the WM6 OS for the 8525. And, we also still have the upgrades for the Treo and the Blackjack to come.

Without the leadership of the "banned ones", it IS and WILL be complete chaos. . . and it's really breaking my heart to watch what's happening. :(
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well, let me implore the mods not to ban you. I think you need to come back around more often. But let me readdress something you said about "making it our personal chat room". Could you clarify what you mean. Are you referring to the VCM, or the at&t forums altogether?

If it's the VCM, nobody laid down the rules when I was invited in. It was a VIP lounge when I got there. I just followed everybody's lead. Including yours I might add.

If you talking about the at&t forums as a whole, then I don't see your reasoning there. I did nothing but help, and ask for help. I used it for what it's intention is for. I let my record stand on that one. You will be hard pressed to find anybody that would say I used the at&t forum for anything else.

And if you want to bring up the joke I was banned for... that was done in the lounge. And that section IS a personal chat room for everybody.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I want to add to this if you don't mind. :D

I second that on the purpose of this thread. I by no means want to bash the at&t forums! I learn a lot over there.

But I have to admit my first purpose of adding to this thread IS to bash Wireless Foreskin and Senturd. Call it childish if you like, and yes it IS ABOUT ME, but I did nothing to those two. I'm not one to lay down that easy and let something like this go.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
I'd have to agree with this. One of the Mods even told me that it was a place for valued members to chat with other valued members about anything. As I stated in the one post after the Spanish incident, "we should have been told the rules for this special place". There was no set rules - yes, there are guidelines for all forums, but if you cross them you usually got a warning first.

As for chat room, that would be the Lounge for the general public and that's the whole reason the Lounge was created, by the way, because the Member's forum was getting over run with OT's. :( I have to say that Ralph aka G8keeper did give us a little bit of slack on some things and he issued warnings first then banning when necessary.

Isn't the whole purpose of a forum to help one another? Some are more experienced in the certain fields and that's where their expertise is and they feel comfortable helping newbies in those fields. I wouldn't dare go into a board that I don't know anything about, "just to post". I know I was pegged as someone who did just fluff pieces in the beginning, which was not the truth!

Peace!
[Off-topic] Praetor1:
News flash buddy boy:Your right to free speech protects you from the government, But not from private citizens and/or corporations!. They retain the right to set their own rules on their own private property!. And that includes there website!. You broke the rules!. Stop crying!, or at least get a towel to clean yourself up some,It sounds like you did no worse than the user Jameson in this thread that was censored for no reason, and this pretty much goes for the rest of the responders in this thread as well but not all the responders some actually have not cried over trivial things....

Also found this over at the forum you speak of as well, thought it was good as well.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
OMG, wilcre... is that you? Come on, you don't have to disguise yourself over here. What are you afraid of? Wil, you know me and we have always got along. I thought we were friends. You, Jameson, and myself have never had a problem. We have bantered back and forth on many occasions over there. Search your soul son, you know what I’ve posted here is true.

Now to address what you just posted….

First of all, I don’t have a problem with free speech issue on the at&t forums. You are right, it is THEIR (at&t that is) property, not Senturd and Wireless Foreskin. Being a mod doesn’t give them the right to make it their personal property.

I broke NO rules over there, and NONE of you over there will address that! They wanted to make it personal, so let’s make it personal shall we? The at&t forums is not the same as the XDA forums. We are, or at least most, are paying customers of the company. I think that entitles us to a little better treatment don’t you think?

Go back and tell the others MY real problem is not with the other members, it’s with Wireless Foreskin and Senturd. Tell those two to come over here on neutral ground where they can’t ban us for "personal" reasons.
[Off-topic] donnana:
Well, let's see. Clearly you're not sharing that because it worked. Setting point alarm.
[Off-topic] Praetor1:
GWelker62

actualy no i am not wilcre as you state, but i did do a user search here and a user is here by that same name.

and actually from what i have read in this thread you are complaining on here but by the sounds of it rightfully so, that is why when stated in first post
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Thinking about this

When I started this thread, I was angry about

AT&T withholding the WM6 upgrade for the 8525 until after they released the Tilt (even though their web site said the upgrade would be available in Q3 2007.) As far as I know, it still says this.

Their lack of communication about the reasons for withholding the upgrade. Things would not have gotten so crazy on the forum if AT&T had communicated with their customers.

The attitude of some of the mods and tools (Sentry, BrianfromNO) on the AT&T HTC forum. Some of their comments were rude and unprofessional and only stirred up the forum instead of calming it down.

Being censored and banned on the AT&T HTC forum. I may or may not have deserved this, because new rules were being made up on the spot (Tashina). I never provided a link to XDA, but I was banned.

In the last month AT&T has

Facilitated the exchange of my 8525 for a Tilt. Thank you Office of the President.

Released the WM6 upgrade for the 8525 along with an explanation for the delay. This was only a month after the end of Q3. :rolleyes:

Now, this only leaves the problem with some of the mods and tools in the AT&T forum. And, after hearing the experiences of some of the other "banned ones", I see that the problem goes far deeper than most forum users know about.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
You are using Theras's old name. Are you that person? If so, you are quoting wilcre word for word. I know I read this exact post on the at&t forums, from wilcre, more than once. With the exception of the last line, it is almost identical, with the picture.

I still can't get in to search for that post. Would someone find it for me and quote it here or post a screen shot, por favor.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
It only runs as deep as two mods. Well, maybe only one. And that would be the Darth ****, Sentry. His heavy handed method of moderation is the root cause of the chaos. He and his compañero have the power to set this right.

And donnana... girl, you have a keen sense of observation. :D That little detail had escaped me.
[Off-topic] Praetor1:
actually the words that were used are not be me, and were originally posted by the same user name i have now, as for the picture, yes that came from over there from the wilcre user, so in a way i stole them, as long as no one tells them i should be fines,
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well looky here. A little birdy sent me a screen shot of this post. Very interesting.

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/...ounge&message.id=13204&query.id=174389#M13204
[Galaxy Grand 2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrei1412:
How to show all apps on home screen on s6 launcher, like s7http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/02/samsung-galaxy-s7-has-feature-to-show-all-apps-on-home-screen.html
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farazthe1234:
Hi I'm new to xda so i posted this in xda q and a. I recently installed the Unnofficial CM 13 Custom Rom found on one of your forums. I installed and flashed it perfectly and installed Gapps version 6.0 I have a Gt-i9500 and it is not jfltex it's just the normal one. Whenever i click camera it gives me a Camera error and one more thing the battery drains very quickly too. I really like the interface and if someone could help fix these issues I'll be grateful.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daniel lee:
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dis you get eby answer from a senior member?
[Nokia X] solo2002:
Hello devs,

I would like to ask which library and framework jar files (if any) are related to the Phone.apk and Contacts.apk in some of the custom Android Nokia X ROMs with default Jelly bean appearance of these two apps. I am not a developer but I would like to try to port these two default Jelly bean system apps to a deodexed version of the original stock Nokia X ROM. I do not like the appearance and mostly the way these two apps behave in the stock ROM and that is why I need them ported. Would it be enough to just copy files from a Custom ROM to the Stock ROM or a change of the stock Kernel would also be necessary?

What about also a port of the Lock screen (default Jelly bean) from Custom ROMs to the Stock ROM? Which files are related to it?

Any advise and help are greatly appreciated.

I do prefer the stability of the Stock ROM but several features like the mentioned above could substantially add value to the stable Stock ROM. Unfortunately, after trying a number of custom ROMs I still prefer the stability of the Stock ROM.
[XDA Assist] XDA Visitor:
Hi there. I have a ZTE N817 model phone that after a lot of digging discovered that it's name is the ZTE Quest from Assurance Wireless Virgin Mobile. It doesn't have service on it anymore and the problem with that is that it won't boot past the "Hello. Welcome to Assurance Wireless" screen. I want to flash a custom firmware to it so that I can still use it as a smart device with WiFi and stuff. Any help to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
[Other SmartWatches] virsago_mk2:
A fairly interesting watch I found while browsing Youtube. Search AWATCH COMET.

It's basically a X01 watch (& it's clones like imacwear M7, Omate TS, Ordro SW16 etc) with circular display.

SPECS:

Model	Awatch Comet
PROCESSOR	Processor: MTK 6572, 1.3 Ghz Cortex A7 Dual Core
SOFTWARE	Operating system: Android 4.4
MEMORY	RAM: 1 GB ROM: 8GB
HEART RATE SENSOR	Support heart rate sensor
DISPLAY	Capacitive touch screen, 400x400, 1.54 inch
WIRELESS	Bluetooth 4.0
CAMERA	5 MPX
DIMENSIONS	45,3 x 44,3 x 14,1 mm; weight: 89gr.
BATTERY	600mAh Lithium-ion
LANGUAGES	English, Francais, Deutsch, Italian, Spanish, Nederlands, Russian, Arabic, Filipino, Thai ..
WATER RESISTANCE	IP65 water resistance
SIM	Support Single Micro Sim card
BANDS	GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHZ - WCDMA 850/2100MHZ
FUNCTIONS	Make phone calls, SMS,MMS, Internet, WIFI, GPS, calendar, clock, weathers, Voice dialing, Photo, Video, vibration, WhatsApp, Aptoide (Android market)..
ACCESSORIES	charger, usb cable, user manual, bluetooth headset
SHIPMENT:	Free shipment worldwide with tracking number

Look's really good but VERY EXPENSIVE.

€349 for a piece not including shipping to outside Europe.

No micro SD card expansion as well.

What are your thoughts guys? Has anyone managed to got this watch & run some test?
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
It's an OEM version of the FIFINE W10. Same watch, less money!

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Screen resolution is actually 320x320 and it is a transflective display.
[Other SmartWatches] virsago_mk2:
I'm in Australia.

Anyone know where can I buy the FIFINE W10?
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
This is the manufacturer:

http://szsuncon.en.alibaba.com/company_profile.html

This is the selling agent:

http://cwelltech.en.alibaba.com/company_profile.html
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
This smartwatch has a very exclusive feature, among the others, that nor Awatch neither the manufacturer are advertising: it has a TRANSFLECTIVE display unit.

Here 2 pictures to show how it works:

Display backlight ON

Display backlight OFF

GREAT !!!
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Stop tormenting me. :p
[Other SmartWatches] TEEBOW:
You can buy here:

http://www.cwell-hk.com/products/Smart_W10.aspx
[Other SmartWatches] tester2:
Can you compare this to D5/X3/K9 series?

Not hardware specs, but e.g. usability, battery time, feeling, etc.

It seems that this have 2 times more RAM and ROM, than D5 series. Do you find this useful in practice?

Camera can record video?
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
I'm sorry, I never used the Awatch Comet.
[Other SmartWatches] tester2:
I see, my fault - I supposed that photos present your watch.

BTW I'm curious how looks completely off screen. Probably it should be grey, not black.
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
I took those pictures, but I had it in my hands for few hours only.

The screen is black when it's off.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
So the same polarization as Sony vs what we typically see.
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
And it is a good or a bad thing?
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Only as far as aesthetics goes.
[Other SmartWatches] tester2:
Screen panel is glued off the bezel's center or just watch face is not displayed on center of the screen?
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
Parallax
[Other SmartWatches] tester2:
I think that for such so large parallax screen should be more ellipsed - on photo it is almost circular, but maybe I'm wrong.

Other photo with black edge at bottom: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AUKA8gjM1Ow/hqdefault.jpg
[Other SmartWatches] chromax:
Very interesting because of the combination 1GB RAM, Kamera, 600mAh and 8GB ROM, round case.

But why 4.4 and not 5.1?

Most 5.1 watches have 512 Mb RAM and 4GB ROM.

Is it possible to install 5.1 on the Comet?

The specs are not correct, on the wepages is written 512mb4GB (Ram/Rom)

http://www.awatch.it/awatch-comet.htm