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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
See screenshots. https://goo.gl/photos/vnqjonKFgNXKJ8um6

Using the default photos app on the htc 10 which is Google photos, tap on photo and it shows raw top right. Tap edit not share icon. That's the pen icon second from left. Then raw enhancement pops up. If it doesn't try clearing your default apps.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=241112]gavinfabl[/MENTION]

Photoshop Express is much better than Google Photo enhancement...

2016-05-24_05-47-52 original by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Google Photo enhancement from dng by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Photoshop express by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
[MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] absolutely Photoshop Express is better.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ron31:
i heard all these great things about htc 10 camera well i have to say i have a galaxy s7 edge that i purchased and also have the htc 10 and the samsung takes way better pics then the htc 10 are greyish tint to them with flash orno flash same results
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] theotrman:
Pictures or it didn't happen. [emoji12]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Yup. Max is 0.8 seconds.

You can use testufo's frame skipping [test] to see it.

http://www.testufo.com/#test=frameskipping&horiz=20&vert=15

With a 60Hz monitor:

2 second ~41-42 blocks

1 second ~41-42 blocks

0.8 second ~41-42 blocks

0.6 second ~36 blocks

0.5 second ~30-31 blocks
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
I couldn't get a decent Picture with the Frameskipping Test....

Not even with the DSLR ~.~

That's why I switched to ufo.

Might be because of the macBook?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
But oh wait, it's actually 0.7 seconds maximum. Didn't realise it until now.

The frame skipping test is drawing a block per frame.

Since I have a 60Hz monitor, it's drawing 60 blocks per second.

So 500ms long exposure = 30 blocks.

And 800ms long exposure should be 48 blocks.

Except it isn't. My 0.8 second picture shows 42 blocks instead.

Which also happens to be the meaning of life! hue hue

(42 blocks / 60Hz) * 1000ms = 700ms

It's capped at 0.7 seconds even at 0.8 setting.

Here's my pictures, 2s>1s>0.8s>0.6s>0.5s>0.4s>0.3s

https://goo.gl/photos/16XyKACpaSZWzy4G7

If you count the blocks, only count the "full" blocks, if there's a dim block in the beginning + end then most of the time that should be counted as a single block.

I'm typing an email to HTC as I type this.

Edit: By the way, this is 1.30.401.1 + 8.10.748210 camera application.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
[MENTION=456666]starbase64[/MENTION] how are you achieving these macros bro? for the life of me i can get this thing to focus on very close objects
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Manual mode and zoom
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
I'd love get a little bit closer focus wise but it's not so bad

This was of course Pro mode and I just pulled the focus to macro and went up close, snap.

It will focus that close in auto as well.

His cheek is green thanks to the green cat bed.

Infuriatingly hard to fix in post. As expected, Pro jpg can't really do anything about it.

Aand now it's a little magenta/purple, oh well. I'm not that good editing RAW or any pictures for that matter.

Here's a bright outdoor pic.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
actually a friend suggested a an easier way, he said that he doesnt bother with close up focus he just pulls back and do some digital zoom, aparently he is so impressed with digital zoom
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thanito:
What he earns in zoom, he's losing it in resolution tho... ?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
ofcourse i know, i just found his remark surprising
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] GermanGuy:
What are the current recommendations for getting the best photos daylight and low light? Auto settings, pro mode, ISO, HDR?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nosferatu.:
Shot some of our cars using the HTC 10 with some zoom cropping. If you haven't been able to tell, fast cars is another one of my hobbies beyond tweaking phones. ;)

Oh and the funniest car I saw driving around today....seriously...racing stickers on a Prius!!! :silly:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] phxzy:
Nice cars dude! ?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haz04:
Guys tell me what you'd change about the camera? Lower ISO? Bringing out more light in the shadows? I have an opportunity to pass on feedback to HTC.

So far I've got -

1. Camera lens is a magnet for dirt and fingerprints. I am constantly cleaning it.

2. The Tianma screen isn't viewable in portrait with polarised sunglasses on.

(The Sharp is however)

3. Camera software processing? Lower ISO........

NB I don't want too many things, just the biggest problems.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nosferatu.:
Thanks. Enjoy the HTC 10 audio from this quick capture we took.

[YOUTUBE]21Mb3TiUEKQ[/YOUTUBE]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] elshagon:
Making Google Photos the default gallery. Takes too long to view photos, impossible to locate other folders.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haz04:
Yeah I agree it's a little slower. I assume you're exaggerating about finding other folders??

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Pro Mode manual shutterspeed takes 0.7sec even if you set it to 1s or 2s.....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
Make sure the shutter speed settings actually work, also longer shutter speeds. Possibly 1080p @ 60fps, and Pro mode seems to be compressing images more than standard photo mode.

Other than that just keep improving auto mode I suppose.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
I went to a wedding & concert last week and noticed that a very large amount of people were using digital zoom. No one was focusing. I'd say the average consumer digital zooms more than focuses, which is crazy to me.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Like Haldi and Duowing said, the shutter speed is a big thing which needs to be fixed.

I tried to see if full automagic mode does longer than 0.7 second exposure but I couldn't fool the software to exposure for longer than ~1/6..

Another thing that puzzles me is that with Manual Camera, FV-5 and A Better Camera, I can't use slower than 1/5 shutter speed.

Is it a limitation of the camera2 api or just something HTC decided to limit only to their own camera application..?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Oh? How did you try to fool it?

When I take Handheld Fotos at night or dark the maximum i can get is 1/15 in Auto Mode.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thanito:
Oh man, I always say the same thing to all my friends when I see them zoom:

"You have legs, just make some steps towards your subject and keep the quality!"

Then, they look at me as if I am an alien..

This was something that I have learned in photography by using fixed lenses instead of zoom. Always try to use your feet when framing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
better discuss the rest in the mega thread, but regarding the camera, 1 sec and 2 sec shutter time is broken in the camera pro mode
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
How? Well over exposing of course :D Monitor to min brightness and swiped the EV compensation to max. Voila, 1/6 and as a verification 10 blocks.

Funny though that it refuses to go slower than that.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sercos72:
Daylight; auto + hdr on ( in some case adjust to exposure for your preferance )

Low lifght; auto + hdr off + exposure - 0,5 or go to pro mode and reduce the iso 400 -600, increase the shutter speed to the 1/4 sec.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
yes this is basically it, in daylight auto HDR is very useful

in low light or indoor, its better to leave it off and control things with the slider when needed
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrearierJester1:
HTC 10 US/Unlocked Developer - 1.53 FW.

MED-NO Light

ISO-200 1/3s using Pro Mode
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
So I've been playing around with Adobe Lightroom on Android. (I have litterally no idea what I'm doing....) and it crashes every 30 seconds. Is this normal? Or Xposed?

Jpeg file the camera took.

Himeji Castle

Me after pressing some random Buttons like WB and Auto tune and manually modifing more.

And a huge dehaze

And saturation -100 :)

I think I should read some Guides about how to edit Raw pictures.....

On the other Hand i don't really see anything on this Small Display ~.~ wish I had a PC.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
With the s7 use manual wb. set it to tungsten or use a lower temperature to add more blue. Blue cancels out yellow and vice versa.

"On the downside, a yellow cast is visible under tungsten illuminants and color shading is slightly visible"

S7 Dxo

On the 10, the occasional wb irregularty and exposure blow out outdoors.

"The DxOMark team found the HTC 10 images to show "good exposure, good white balance in indoor conditions and neutral white balance and accurate color rendering in outdoor conditions". However, they also criticized "slightly blown highlights in some outdoor images and occasional white balance irregularities."

10 DxO

Same here too, use manual wb or exp comp to reduce highlights. Not using HDR will tame blown highlights.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] chevydevil:
60 fps recording

Hi guys,

could someone tell if their are any changes/progress regarding the missing 1080p 60fps recording feature of the camera? Could anyone try if 60 fps recording is possible with the OpenCamera app? This is the only thing currently holding me back on getting a 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
That's the case with a lot of non nexus devices and 3rd party cameras. The shutter does not go slower.

The vendor libraries used to get slower shutter speeds are not open to the public so all you get is what the default camera lib provides.

So you are pretty much tied to the device the software came with...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
HDR from Automode:

HDR from Photoshop used these 3 Raw files:

Files here...

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwqG3liwGXQHQTdWdkdYYkRRZjg

Maybe I just suck at using photo shop ^^

Btw doesn't Lightroom now have a HDR merge function for Raw Pics?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mazzai:
You can get better result just editing DNG file

http://i.imgur.com/4KoD2Im.jpg

May be you can shot something like that http://i.imgur.com/zfgfd1F.png

I got this with my Huawei P9, heavenly DR for phones, never seen better.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] emmawilliam834:
Verizon Wireless is pleased to announce a new software update for your HTC 10. This update includes:

Camera performance improvements

Wi-Fi connectivity improvements

Bug fixes
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
My 1st close-up with my 10

Tasty??
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] !M4G3:
Just a quick shot in my back yard View attachment 3763963View attachment 3763964

Best camera phone I've owned [emoji1]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
today in the flower shop...

2016_05_27-06-30_IMAG1058.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-30_IMAG1056.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-29_IMAG1055.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-25_IMAG1054.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-24_IMAG1053.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-24_IMAG1052.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-24_IMAG1051.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

2016_05_27-06-23_IMAG1049.jpg by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qriozum:
Do you really HTC has removed the brightness adjustment function centered on the place in which tap on the screen of the camera application?

No matter for me if other users are using the HDR mode, auto-HDR, or without it.

Unbelievable that eliminated so excellent and indispensable function, facilitating quickly make a snapshot. This feature is available in all known me smartphones HTC (DesireZ, M7, M8, M9).

No automatic brightness adjustable by tapping on the desired area of ​​focus in my opinion, is not caused by software. I think so, because PORT applications HTC10 transferred to HTC m9 works without a problem.

A simple example:

- We have a birthday party, private party at home. Guests around the table. Outside the window the day (do not even have to be sunny). To make a snapshot in which the frame grab the window (a window we have a large patio), our photo will suck, because the faces of people gathered at the table are not exposed.

In this example, the photos made with other cameras (M7, M8, M9, iP5s), simply tap your finger to the area of ​​the face of people gathered at the table - and everything is OK - the brightness and focus will be adjusted to this point, and so faces visible and exposed. No matter (to me) that the fragment photos from a window MAY be overexposed. Ground that the essential elements photos (faces and Environment) photos are clear.

I am your HTC10 sent to the site in the conviction that I have damaged the auto-focus (camera). He lay with them three weeks ... nothing was done.

Only discussion and "intelligence" on another forum made me realize that in this way retain the other cameras in HTC10. I do not think that the whole party is corrupt;)

I tried another application for photography (CameraMX) - but there also does not work automatically adjust the brightness of the place taps on the screen.

I am deceived castrated much-needed functions :(

regards

q.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
2016-05-28_10-08-05 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Wow! Great shots! Magenta is usually quite hard to capture correctly on a phone camera and this is a superb result. Any edits? That closeup is spectacular... Zoom crop?

Cheers!

Sent from my HTC One_M8

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After you tap to focus just swipe the screen down or up to easily adjust exposure. Simple. Much better than before.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
No Zoom, minimal crop. Cyberlink Photo Director for Android has "HSL" enhancement.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qriozum:
It is not so simple and obvious. When powrcoie to its original position - brightness is lowered again.

Only what would could help to change the frame, directing the lens toward the floor .... And yet each of us wants to be in the frame to photograph what he wants and not what "tells the camera."

regards

q.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=4586217]rizevnarastek[/MENTION]

Polarr (Link) is a little bit better then PhotoDirector
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Thanks mate!! I'll try it out.

Great controls and I love the gradient mask. I've been looking for an editor that does that some time ago. Burned sky highlights bye bye. :)

Not fond of the pay per month crap though.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrearierJester1:
Macro! Enhanced with VSCO C2 Preset. I love the blurry effect of the HTC 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Android The Greek:
Wildwood, NJ Today
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thegrants82:
The blown out sky in the first pic is the reason why the camera on the 10 is subpar. No excuse for that.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] skinbis:
Those are all your cars? I wanna be your best friend
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Sunrise in Lennestadt / Germany 12°C by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Hei hei hei,

You remember a few pages back when I was complaining about Clubs not being loud enough to make the HTC 10 Sound Bad?

Still have that Problem....

(Skip to 1:40 if you dislike the music....)

https://youtu.be/McHnm9bQbmA

I'd say it's been about 104-106db....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Supreme_One:
Very sad that you cant exposure while taking a Snapchat it should be automatically
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
dng processing comparison between Polarr, Lightroom and Photoshop Express (all Android)

Polarr (Android) by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Lightroom (Android) by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Photoshop Express (Android) by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] elena11:
Is there a camera app, that could work as the previous HTC's camera apps that adjust the exposure automatically when you focus on different place, instead of using the slider. I tried all that I could find in the playstore, but no luck. Tnx in advance!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Android The Greek:
To be honest the sun was directly over the building originally blinding the shot. I stepped in the shade of the building to get it
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] WiseManWhite:
Does anyone else have issues with lights creating a "glowing" effect?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] elena11:
Wipe the lens glass, and try again
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thegrants82:
HTC blows out the brights. Known issue.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
no problems, with a really clean lens

2016_05_29-17-39_IMAG1103 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Looks like I'm only sharing cat pics...sorry :D

Full auto, just looks a little bit off. And I'm not sure why I had it in 16:9 mode but oh well.

Photoshop automagic tone

Photoshop manual messing around, little this and that.

P.S. Oh how I hate you Chrome and your lack of proper color management.

P.P.S. Should probably look at what I'm doing in Photoshop through the 10 with remote desktop/teamviewer/whatever as I have a feeling the display of the 10 is much more accurate than my monitors :D
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
"what are you doing on your phone? Why aren't you bringing me some snacks instead? Pleeaaassee"

That's what the cat said, right?

BTT:

16:9 hmmm...

I actually prefer that because most monitors are 16:9 and I'm only doing snapshots/holiday pictures.

But the sensor is a 4:3 right?

How about the lense?

Anyone has pictures of the distortion in the corners? Is 4:3 better?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Well actually he was listening to our neighbour up on the balcony.

Sure that's a good point, though I do prefer the look of full frame or micro four-thirds (read 4:3) more. To each their own :)

And it of course also depends on what you're capturing.

Yeah, it's 4:3 native.

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/...ts/IMX377CQT_ProductSummary_v1.5_20150414.pdf

4:3 12MP is all pixel scan utilizising full width+height = 4000x3000

16:9 9MP utilizes the full width of the sensor = 4000x2240

1:1 9MP utilizes the full height of the sensor = 3000x3000

I don't personally find anything extremely distorty here, though excuse my bad framing skills.

A bit corner blurry if anything.

http://imgur.com/a/D9OC7

P.S. Still haven't found the time to do my own lens correction profile. Will see if I could do it next week.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
Don't bother he just wants to bash it

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Not really
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thegrants82:
Just about every major review of the htc10 camera says that it has a problem with highs. Are you debating that?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] silverwings2008:
So in your opinion which is best? Or do you pick the best app for the job at hand? Nice pics by the way, particularly the flower shots on the previous page.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
yea i think 16:9 crop is a wise move on the 10

also i wish they kept the sharpness controls, it couldnt handle a notch of sharpening and contrast, i also wish HTC reduces luma denoise a little from their side

nothing like the disaster we saw on the M9 processing though and one of the most natural looking phone photos i have seen since a while, text preservation is excellent as well
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
I mean in landscape, horizontally that the first 10% and last 10% are soft. Will happen with either aspect in landscape orientation. 16:9 is just dropping down the vertical, does not affect horizontal. Incidentally i think the verticals are good.

But in portrait orientation is less obvious, say if the top is the sky, you don't care or if the bottom is the ground. Sides don't show any softening.

You want 4:3 for portraits. 16:9 is too tall and skinny.

Why can't the mobile world just settle on 3:2. Join the rest of the cameras and the printing industry. The questions was answered decades ago. One year its 4:3 another its 16:9. So silly.

Are you sure the sharpness controls are gone. The exifs show those values there and sharpness on hard. What hard corresponds to i don't know.

IMAG0064 by isaac xie, on Flickr

Sharpness : normal ;)

ISO 200, 1/8000

pretty clean image.

This is the tricky bit, there are times i like the sharpness because it renders details more and at times it makes things look artificial and adds artifacts. HTC are being conservative here, like Apple. Sticking to the 2013 school of processing. The others have moved on.

The pureview diehards i think will prefer the 10's processing over the koreans.

Sensors won't get bigger so one starts to accept more sharpening and perceives it as a necessary evil.

HTC have done well, had a very hard year. Nobody can bash this camera :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
new update! looks like HTC will nail this baby by shipping date

Source:

Translation:

it looks like it brought ISO under control

ISO200

ISO320

ISO500

ISO500
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] richteralan:
Hasn't been released in HK yet. But this is good news. :good:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
i think the press is underplaying things

here is how the 10 is clearly superior in low light

HTC10

S7

look at the table edge on the bottom, plus the S7 is heavily processed, some edges look burned
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
That damn camera algorithm in the S7. Over sharpening beyond sanity and setting dark areas almost black for an iconic and punchy impression. Don't like, never will
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nicklashidegard:
Looking at the glass of coke, the 10 you can just see through it and s7 it's pitch black.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mariorenz:
The reason is the very high contrast applied to jpeg by s7, as usual.. I guess also a little bit greater dynamic range of 10 due to larger sensor.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
All those shots have -ve EV applied. SOP on any camera under those conditions.

I think it would be a good idea to do it even during the day. Stick it on -2/3 and watch the details come out.

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yep., the 10 looks the most natural.

Hope they applied the update for the sammy. At launch things were a little bit overprocessed, hear things have been toned down a bit.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nicklashidegard:
Worth remembering that the phone isn't even released worldwide yet..already lots have been sorted. I'm very confident about this one.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] aknotts415:
Ill be honest. These low light shots were what made me reorder the HTC 10. I saw so many lowlight photos that were poor after release its good to see good ones like these.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
HTC 10, 1/30, ISO 160

S7, 1/60, ISO 60

Both auto with no -ve comp applied. meterig on the S7 is on multi-segment. This will create a different look compared to had it been on its default of centre weighted.

The S7 is more clear because it has the faster shutter. But had the guy who took this shot with the 10 been able to handhold a 1/30 i bet the 10 would have looked better. You can see the sharpening and oddly some grain in the shadows with the S7.

Albums

10

https://flic.kr/s/aHskyjDFjo

S7

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxAQs5b