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[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
Yeah this is my exact stance as well! I preordered the Unlocked Carbon HTC 10, and I am hoping for a little XDA dev magic to get it completely 100% functional on VZW's network within a week of them arriving at our doors! Wishful thinking?? It makes sense that Verizon wouldn't say the Unlocked 10 will work 100% with their network, because they want to AT LEAST charge you the $20 A** Hole Tax for the upgrade to the HTC 10. As Far as HTC not saying anything, them giving Verizon the "exclusive" rights to sell the phone first (in my mind) solidifies that Verizon has payed them off to keep them from advertising that the Unlocked HTC 10 will be 100% functional on VZW's network. Crossing fingers! Good luck to all of us guinea pigs! I have faith that all the devs eagerly anticipating this phone will be ready to meet the challenge! I just hope its all figured out within the 30 day period, so if it absolutely cannot be made to work on Verizon's network, I can send it back and get a refund, and wait the next HTC Nexus phones. Really wanting the 10 though if it can be S-Offed, and rooted, since I dont see the next Nexus devices having the same Audio performance as the HTC 10 with headphones. The only reason I dont have a 6P right now is due to the abysmally terrible headphone jack audio quality.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MrNetwork:
By the time we find out if the unlocked version ordered directly from HTC will work on Verizon, it probably won't be possible to get the $100 discount.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
I think the $100 off was for preorders so I'm guessing you're probably right.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] hunteditor:
That's why some of us went ahead and pre-ordered the unlocked version now. It hasn't shipped yet, so our 30-day return period hasn't started. I'm not planning to open the box unless I'm sure it will work on the Verizon network. Tomorrow could be an interesting day with the "exclusive" preview launching at Verizon stores. Not sure if that will tell us anything or not ... we might have to wait until someone actually calls Verizon and registers their unlocked phone IMEI and gives us an update. Either way, for those of us who pre-ordered it's a low-risk, low-cost gamble.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MoNsTeReNeRgY22:
Ended up cancelling my unlocked preorder for verizon, best of luck to yall!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] :
Going for the VZW version that's up for pre-order tomorrow or just holding out?
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
What's the worst that can happen to us if it doesn't work? The shipping cost is nothing for the chance. Regardless, I'll just take it over to AT&T if it doesn't.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] orvon.freeman:
After chatting with Verizon

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Verizon : Thank you for contacting the Verizon Sales Team, an agent will be with you shortly. How can we help you with your purchase today?

You : I had a question regarding HTC 10

MONAQUE : I will be happy to assist you with the HTC 10! How can I help?

You : I was wondering if the unlocked HTC 10 would work with VZW. I am a prepaid customer and would like to use it on my account. It has the bands for VZW

MONAQUE : Oh okay perfect, yes you can use it, allow me to send you a link for the compatibility page!

You : So and HTC 10 from HTC unlocked will work on VZW for prepaid?

MONAQUE : Yes it should!

You : Thank you very much

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Verizon : Thank you for contacting the Verizon Sales Team, an agent will be with you shortly. How can we help you with your purchase today?

You : Will an unlocked HTC 10 work for VZW prepaid accounts if my sim is already activated? I bought an HTC 10 unlocked. directly from HTC and would like to use it on my prepaid account.

You : What I am asking is will an unlocked HTC 10 from HTC work on VZW prepaid, with a sim that is already activated and being used

SHARIKA : Yes the device can be used on prepaid services under a previously use prepaid sim card

SHARIKA : You do not have to purchase a new sim card for use of this device on verizon prepaid services

You : thank you very much

This would lead me to believe it will also work for everyone else, unless I am missing something for contract users.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MrNetwork:
Thanks.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] tylerw1369:
Can you s-off the unlocked phone with HTC dev?
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
No but you can unlock the boot loader that way.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] ImagioX1:
Check this out
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
Time will tell. Talking to a person on chat is like talking to a 4th grader. I hope it will work for you guys but sadly time will tell......
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] THUNDEROID:
http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/

Its Available on HTC. Only comes in Glacier Silver.... -_- Really hope the unlocked version works...
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MoNsTeReNeRgY22:
Holding out all together. Decided it wasn't a big enough jump from my 6P and I like the idea of a HTC nexus better :D
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] markwebb:
Verizon is out of stock already on their site.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I don't think it's become available yet... I've been keeping an eye on it for the past hour or so

Edit: HTC 10 is now available for pre-order on Verizon website: http://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/htc-10/
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MrNetwork:
As someone already mentioned, only available in silver. Price point is good, though, $548 with payments.

Is anyone else seeing this price with payments? It might be an employee discount, but VZW has never given me an employee discount on phones before.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Phone is showing a $100 discount ($548) for me if you do the monthly payments option. $648 if you pay outright
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] hunteditor:
The $548 is for anybody using the installment payment option.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
It looks like "Uh Oh Protection" is limited to only orders from HTC.com http://i.imgur.com/AXZmzp1.png

Credit: sixmonthslater from Reddit
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] drumz0rz:
You can still use the $100 off coupon ordering from HTC directly and you'll get the year of "oh uh" protection which is not available if you order from Verizon. Also, if you order from HTC you can swap in your current activated microSIM and avoid Verizon's new $20 activation fee.

I'm torn if I should buy it now or wait. On the one hand, better hardware, better camera, fingerprint scanner, Sense 7. On the other hand, I just recently updated my M8 to Marshmallow and I've got it customized exactly as I like it: rooted, multiple xposed modules, ad block hosts, firewall, gravitybox, GPE...

I was literally hovering over the final "order" button on the website but I think I may hold off for now, wait until the amazing devs here get s-off / root so I can bring back the software tweaks I depend upon.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Light1984:
FYI... Verizon variant is available on HTC.com
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MrNetwork:
I am difficulty deciding, too, but for different reasons than you. I am on Verizon, and the consensus seems to be the bootloader unlocked version for AT&T will work with Verizon. The price is more or less of a wash because I wouldn't have to pay the activation fee (hopefully.) The Uh-Oh protection is a good thing to have, too.

I know what you mean about having your M8 customized just the way you want it. Although my current phone, LG G4, is not rooted, I, too, have it just the way I want it. It's not that easy to move from one phone to another no matter what Android says.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Brnway:
I just contacted HTC support about the bootloader for the Verizon variant. As expected, it has a locked bootloader.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Light1984:
I figured it would be locked just putting it up there in case anyone wanted to get it from HTC direct so that it came with the uh oh protection
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] THUNDEROID:
Way better to get through htc. I'm holding off to know for sure if the unlocked works. I have talked to them as well and was told it would In fact work.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
I tested HTC.com. the $100 discount is only for the unlocked version and doesn't apply to the VZW model.

If you want it for less than $699 buy from Verizon direct.

Side note: ALL versions ship with bootloader locked, HTC.com may only unlock the sim unlocked version.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
Yeah I see its up for Verizon on HTC's site. The funny thing is when you click on it for an option to buy, it still says at the bottom, Unlocked version compatible for ATT and T-Mobile, that is making me feel better that it is indeed one phone (SKU) and with a little elbow grease from the geniuses here at XDA, will be 100% compatible with VZW.. Getting anxious ?
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] protoadies01:
This is my first Verizon phone. Just switched from T-Mobile. Will I be able to install venom rom. Or from what I'm gathering it's locked and will not be able to.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] hgoldner:
Not until bootloader unlock is available. I would not be shocked if that happens within days of the phone arriving in people's hands, though. And be sure to read EVERYTHING in the development forum before tinkering with the device. HTC has tightened up a number of things from even the M9.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] afuller42:
Promotional code HTC1008 will get you the $100 off the VZW version or the unlocked version.

I went with the vzw version, I never had issue getting the the bootloader unlocked, maybe this on will get me though.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Dragbike Racer:
That's not true, the "Apply" button was having some glitches. I called and they had me place the order and then they refunded me the $100. I checked later and the "Apply" button was up and working.

Interestingly my account has already been charged, so does this mean that it'll be shipping out next week? That would be great, but if it doesn't then it'll be here soon enough.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
Did you use PayPal? If you did then it will automatically charge you. Everything else wouldn't have charged.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] THUNDEROID:
Is the "PayPal Credit" still a thing? i see no mention about it anywhere now.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
When buying anything with paypal you can always do payments I think for 6 months for anything if you have the credit, HTC did say that the 12 month feature will work when the phone is not in pre-order status. Paypal lets the company decide the terms for longer than 6 months so it should come.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] THUNDEROID:
OH, i see. Well assuming i have Zero credit built. i assume i would not qualify anyways. i planned on paying it off in two weeks any how.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
Interesting tidbit of info: the HTC 10 units that Verizon is demoing in some stores has the same FCC ID as the unlocked model HTC is selling, NM82PS6500. Fingers crossed!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
Very interesting! I didn't even think to check that that could be great news for verizon people.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
We knew pretty early on they shared the same mid so that's not a huge surprise. The question is how Verizon negotiates the locked boot loader etc into the device.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] thegrants82:
I am waiting for the same answer but I highly doubt that Verizon will allow the unlocked models IMEI to activate on their network. They just simply won't let that happen.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
And if that is the case, Verizon can kiss my lines goodbye. I'll be taking my business elsewhere. Not that they care, but at least I have the freedom to do so.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] afuller42:
I know this is about if Verizon works on it but reading this in the "value tab" of meet HTC 10 on HTC.com you can read this....

You’ll be able to switch carriers at will with the HTC 10 unlocked edition.

Simply insert your AT&T or T-Mobile SIM to begin using your HTC 10.* Sprint compatibility requires separate hardware – HTC 10 customers switching to Sprint will need to purchase a compatible device.

I'm sure its the same with Verizon, and most likely the unlocked version will not work or not work 100%. It also show there is more than hardware versions than just one and people are saying earlier.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MrNetwork:
Sprint may require a different phone because of their LTE Plus requirement which Verizon doesn't. The other possibility is I don't know what I'm talking about.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] thegrants82:
Your right about one thing...they don't care.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
The unlocked 10 has every bit of hardware and software needed to work. It's just up to Verizon if they allow it to be provisioned correctly to work completely on the network.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] tylerw1369:
i spoke with someone from htc and they specifically told me that the unlocked version wont work on verizon and what is why they offer the verizon version. I told them that i just wanted the other color and they said i could only use the phone that they offered from verizon.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
Here are the specs from the unlocked version from HTC's website

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2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE, 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A, 3G UMTS, 850/AWS/900/1900/2100 MHz, 4G LTE (up to 450Mbps), FDD: Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 20, 28, 29, 30, Support Cat 9 LTE, download up to 450 Mbps, upload up to 50 Mbps

And the specs from Verizon

CDMA: 800, 1900 MHz, GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz , UMTS: 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz, LTE: Band 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13, 20, 28

There doesn't seem to be anything limiting the unlocked version from having full capabilities on Verizon's network. That being said, it doesn't mean that Verizon will allow the unlocked version on their network. Both Verizon and HTC told me that there shouldn't be any problems using the unlocked version on Verizon, although a couple of HTC reps told me there may be an issue with 3G. Someone here brought it to my attention that the unlocked version shows that it does, in fact, support EVDO Rev A (thanks for clearing me up on that). One of the Verizon reps asked me to list the network/bands that the unlocked version supports. After doing so, they said it should have no problems working on their network. They also told me today to call when I get the phone, give them the IMEI, and try putting the sim from my current phone in it. If it doesn't work then just pop by a Verizon store for a new free sim.

All of this tells us nothing really except that physically the phone is compatible. At this point, I believe the only reason it wouldn't is because Verizon won't allow it. We will see hopefully soon!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] tylerw1369:
I asked her about the phone supporting Verizon bands. She told me that Verizon would only allow the Verizon version to be sold for their network. She maybe didn't know but I was just wanting to let you guys know.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
I do appreciate the info. If it's true I won't be getting the phone at all.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
Since Verizon's model is the same as the unlocked model, I'm optimistic that the unlocked 10 will work on Verizon, Maybe not on Verizon's "activation" whitelist, but at least on the "permitted" list (as in, works with already-activated SIM cards).

Somewhat similar situations have happened in the past on other devices. Examples:

The Droid Turbo from Verizon has a locked bootloader. The Motorola Maxx from LRA carriers (same FCC ID as Turbo) has the same set of bands, an unlockable bootloader, and runs on Verizon fine.

Similarly, the Droid Maxx 2 from Verizon has a locked booloader. The Moto X Play from LRA carriers (same FCC ID as the Maxx 2) has the same set of bands, an unlockable bootloader, and runs on Verizon fine.

The Moto E LTE from Verizon (XT1528) has a locked bootloader. The Moto E LTE from LRA carriers (XT1529, but same FCC ID as the XT1528) has all of Verizon's bands, unlockable bootloader, and runs on Verizon fine. The Moto E LTE from US Cellular (XT1526) also works on Verizon (including CDMA), and has an unlockable bootloader, but is missing LTE B13.

The LG G4 from US Cellular / LRA carriers (US991) has all of Verizon's bands and runs on Verizon fine. It looks like the same situation will apply to the LG G5 (RS988).

If worst came to worst and Verizon specifically blocked the unlocked model at the IMEI level (which would break the FCC's Band 13 rules), a 10 from USC or LRA carriers should work on Verizon (both PS6400 and PS6500 have Verizon's CDMA and LTE bands) and should have unlockable bootloaders. Since USC and LRA carriers have roaming agreements with Verizon, they can't be rejected by the Verizon network.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
I really really hope it does work. I think I have my heart set on the Carbon Gray. If Verizon had offered that color, I MIGHT have cancelled my pre-order and just ordered from them. Hopefully we will all know for sure this week sometime. If not, I guess I'll be looking at other options. Don't want it to come to that!!!

*EDIT* Verizon Support just tweeted out that they will only guarantee full funtionality with the "Verizon" version of the phone. Did I expect a different answer? Not really but they didn't say the unlocked wouldn't work! ;)
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TopoX84:
sounds like there might be a strict check up while connecting to the Verizon network that might be included on the Verizon ROM, no doubt that the phone can connect to their network but there must be something else within the handshake that kick it out of the network registration
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
They now use IMEI activation and not Sim activation. They "may" not let you register an unlocked IMEI. I know one my 2nd M8(lost used insurance and found it again), I put my sim card tablet sim in it and It would not work. They wouldn't add the IMEI nuber to allow on the network becuse it was blacklisted. I for testing purposes only changed my IMEI to my tablets IMEI number and it worked fine. So the big question will be "Will Verizon allow unlocked HTC 10's IMEI be added to allow access to the network". I think that will be the key.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
In your situation, the reason it was blacklisted is because you reported it lost. When a phone is reported lost/stolen, it's added to an IMEI blacklist database that's (supposedly) shared with all US carriers, so that people can't get use out of what they found/stole.

As long as a device isn't reported as lost/stolen, it should be compatible if it has the proper radios.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
Sorry if I sound stupid but you're saying they blacklisted that IMEI because you lost the phone right? That actually makes sense to me if that's the case.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
I am aware of that.....I am saying they could choose to not allow an HTC 10 unlocked IMEI to be added. Not the fact that the phone I had was blacklisted that is irrelevant.....but that when you give them an IMEI its tied to a model number and serial number that will show its an UNLOCKED version. Verizon could simply say our TOS will not allow us to allow this device on out network. I am purely speculating here but if you are a Verizon customer you know they will try and screw you over. It might work and be added. We will know soon. I am just pointing out that is definitely a possibility.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
They can't do that. Block C forbids Verizon from doing just that. They'd need a valid reason to do it and just being unlocked isn't a valid reason. Burden of proof is even on them to show that it is a valid reason.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] xtermmin:
Going off history, Verizon has never specifically blocked a phone from their network just because it wasn't the Verizon-branded version (4G-era I mean, not counting old 3G flip phone era). Hopefully the 10 will be no different. Just hope that a "dangerous" new precedent isn't set where non-approved devices can connect to LTE B13 for data-only, but are restricted from connecting to CDMA and LTE B2/B4... :x
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
Both very valid points. personally I think the phone will work short of having an agreement with HTC to not have the cdma bands included/disabled with the unlocked version(the Band description could be a mixture between versions of the phone and have them disabled, but s-off could possibly take care of that.). The A9 would be the first LTE only device to work on Verizon and you can see how well that is going. I have learned to never trust Verizon. I will leave it at that until we have the phone and people try. All I can say is good luck.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] aer0zer0:
The moto X pure is capable of being bootloader unlocked via a token system straight from motorola, Verizon will register that phone, seems like the dev phone should be the same
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] ufkal:
I debated for hours on whether or not to buy the unlocked version or risk it. At this point, I just want an HTC phone. I made a mistake of leaving the M8 and getting the LG G3 and then the V10. As everyone has mentioned, it probably will not be a huge deal to unlock the bootloader and get root. Followed by amazing ROMS etc. It would be nice if NextRadio worked on this phone, but my guess is BigRed has blocked that as well. Oh well.

We will see. I get the phone allegedly Thursday.

See Everyone on release day!!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] lancespahr:
So from what I've read in the thread... VZW model has a lesser chance of being unlockable, but not impossible? :D I would love (reversible) BL unlock/root :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MrNetwork:
The Nexus 6P was allowed on the Verizon network, and I thought its bootloader has been unlocked so why wouldn't Verizon allow the HTC 10 unlocked version on their network?
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] TopoX84:
now that u mention that, Verizon does have a way to specify which IMEIs work for certain accounts, i remember back 3-4 yrs ago when i used to work selling phones, a guy lost his phone from verizon and needed to replace it with a flip-phone meanwhile he recovered the old one, i had to call Verizon in order to change the IMEI in their system so he could get signal.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
I definitely see your point. I listed the bands that were on the website (USA site) to an HTC rep and they confirmed it is accurate for the unlocked version. Not a mixture of different versions. They also said that none of them were disabled which should theoretically allow it to be used on Verizon's network. Still keeping my hopes up that I won't have any issues! I'm just trying to convince myself that it'll work... :D

European/Asian version

Network4

#UHL SKU (EMEA/Asia)

2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE

850/900/1800/1900 MHz

3G UMTS

850/900/1900/2100 MHz

4G LTE (up to 450Mbps)

FDD: Bands 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20, 28, 32

TDD: Bands 38, 40, 41

Support Cat 9 LTE, download up to 450 Mbps, upload up to 50 Mbps

USA version

Network4

2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE

850/900/1800/1900 MHz

CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A

3G UMTS

850/AWS/900/1900/2100 MHz

4G LTE (up to 450Mbps)

FDD: Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 20, 28, 29, 30

Support Cat 9 LTE, download up to 450 Mbps, upload up to 50 Mbps