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[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
Got the new SIM and got back on phone with VZW CS, of course its still did not work, and she put in a request to have the IMEI added to VZW's database, and she said it could take up to 48 hours. However, an email came back within 5 minutes and stated that the Unloked HTC 10's "device id starts with 99" and the Verizon model has a different device ID, and this is why it would not work, and stated that it would never work". Dont know if this is the be all end all, but it certainly does not help? FML. Giving it till Friday then returning and waiting on 2016 Nexus devices. Love the phone! Music through my V-Moda M100's sounds SO amazing! Very fast phone!, But I wont have a phone that I cannot root and Rom up! and especially run hotspot on my UDP. I really wish we could figure out who is at fault here, HTC or VerLIEzon? If we knew, they would be getting some very nasty complaints all over their social media accounts about this! Oh well guys, I guess this is a no go. Another thing is its weird how many of us got different answers? I get this answer, but another said it would take 3 bus days to add IMEI's? Again FU Verizon, or HTC, or more than likely both!

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Yeah this is the same thing I experienced as well, She was trying to get it added higher up the food chain at VZW. My CSR got a response back saying the "device ID for the unlocked is different from the Verizon branded version" and this was why it would not work, ever. Still sounds like BS, but unless we can hack our way around this problem, this is looking grimmer by the minute.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] EMSpilot:
Need to try a Sprint branded HTC 10 IMEI and see if Verizon will accept it or do an IMEI swap on a unlocked HTC 10 if possible.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Schedonnardus:
anyone with the unlocked and rooted HTC 10 care to post what the available fastboot commands are?
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
I would give them up, but kind of afraid at this point playing around with anything bootloader /S-off wise, since its likely never going to work on VZW without a IMEI swap, which If I could figure out how to do, I would, but since its illegal here in the states, I guess Im not going to be able to find any info on how to do it. But looks like I will have to return it? If I might go ahead and S-Off it and get with one of you geniuses here and see if anything "can be done"? Send me a PM
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
Don't waste your time and money. The imei is like a vin for a car. There's a lot more to an imei than a long number on these smart phones. Provisioned feature sets for one. Unless you have an imei from a dead vzw HTC 10 it's a total waste of time.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
Yeah your right about that. I see where some light might be shining on the Verizon Version here soon via beaups and jcase. Just going to return Unlocked and get the Tramp Stamped version and wait for Sunshine.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jbea007:
Sucks cause I just got my unlocked 10 today and hope VZW allows it on their network. This is a nice device don't want to have to return it.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
Yeah I just went to at&t today and put one line on a plan.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
I hear that brother. What sucks is we were all in this together and now some are going to have to part ways.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
If someone is successful at activating on verizon, I'll be the first one back! Enjoying the phone so far. Not as bright as my current (galaxy s6 edge +), but the colors are more natural and it's easier to use one-handed.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
I'm not minding AT&T at all. I'm not sure I'll go back to Verizon they can kiss my ass. I think they are pulling some shady ****. Ef them.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
It would be a little cheaper for me since I have 4 lines on Verizon. Oh well, I'll just sit back and watch what happens!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] johnc0865:
I can't wait find out if the unlocked version works on Verizon, tired of locked bootloader and having to send the phone off to someone with a java card to get it unlocked.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jchq:
need to download and install QPST.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] hunteditor:
Additional Networks Listed

Does HTC listing additional carriers do anything to indicate whether the phone will work on Verizon?

During the checkout process for the unlocked phone, the HTC website says:

"Supported carriers: AT&T, T-Mobile, MetroPCS, Alaska Communications, Cricket, NET 10, Straight Talk & WalMart Family Mobile"​

Isn't Cricket a CDMA carrier on the Verizon network? :confused:

Okay, just found out that ATT bought Cricket and moved them to GSM, so that doesn't apply, but my original question still stands.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jbea007:
I spoke to a Verizon rep face to face and asked if the unlocked HTC 10 will work with Verizon and they said yes. I don't know much of that is true. But I might take my chances with the unlocked version. Oh at the end of the conversation they asked my with would I want an unlocked phone for.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] techlogik:
They didn't support/still don't support the A9. Maybe it being a "flagship", they are going to put resources into working with HTC for VZW...of course, don't care, left VZW.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] MoNsTeReNeRgY22:
A9 doesn't support CDMA.

And FWIW
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jbea007:
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/04/featured-review-htc-10.html

"The HTC 10 follows the trend of unlocked phones lately that theoretically cover all available spectrum worldwide. Our review unit is the unlocked model directly from HTC, and out of the box has presets for every GSM carrier in the entire US including AT&T and T-Mobile. There are Sprint and Verizon models for customers of those carriers, and putting a Verizon SIM card inside our unlocked HTC 10 actually gave me a signal and data for a few minutes before I got kicked off Verizon’s network. It’s possible that with some proper registration on Verizon’s towers that the HTC 10 could work with any carrier no matter where you bought it from, but this functionality isn’t advertised and results will definitely vary depending on where you live. Either way it supports a swath of spectrum that’s likely to cover just about any carrier in the US, and the international model supports the same variety of spectrum for carriers worldwide."

Only time will tell guys. Maybe when Verizon release their version the unlock one may work.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
I'm confused with how all of this will work with providers, specifically Verizon. Will HTC only be unlocking the bootloaders on the phones sold on the HTC website, or will the Verizon variant of the HTC 10 also have an unlocked bootloader? One of the main reasons I'll likely choose HTC over the S7 is because the bootloader was supposed to be unlocked and able to be rooted easily. If that's not the case with the Verizon variant... I'll be quite sad
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jsaxon2:
Most likely Verizon will block unlocking the bootloader through htc. That does not mean all hope is lost. Sunshine [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] very well may work to s-off the HTC 10. Only time will tell. If that doesn't work, you can probably find someone with a java card. That is what was done for the Verizon m9. If you get a Verizon s7, you have virually 0 change of unlocking the bootloader. I not saying it will never happen, but most likely not. Check the threads here on xda for the Verizon s7 and you'll see.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
You may be aware it's not that Verizon doesn't support the A9

It's that the A9 doesn't support Verizon's network. It doesn't have a CDMA radio in the chipset and it would've been an LTE only device, seriously limiting the user experience on their network.

The unlocked 10 appears to have all the bands/freq's needed for Verizon (but not Sprint). Verizon however has to allow those devices in order for them to access the network. There isn't enough information yet but it appears this is why the testers who've tried to load a VZW sim have momentary signal until the phone registers with the network and then it appears to be kicked off.

We'll sure know more in the next 10 days :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Great info... very disappointing that Verizon doesn't allow bootloader unlocking. I'm in a tough situation... The only real reason I'd choose the HTC over the S7 edge is due to the HTC being able to be rooted... if that's not a guarantee with Verizon I honestly don't know what to do... I just don't want to go with the S7 edge and then three weeks later root come out for the HTC... ugh.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jsaxon2:
I'm fairly confident that a java card and/or xtc2 clip will work one the htc 10 is out. You can check out http://xdaforums.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247http://. There is a map on the first page of where people live that have been able to help other Verizon users s-off their m9.

Also, Sunshine was finally able to work for the Verizon m9. This should be a good step towards working on the htc 10, but just don't have any information yet.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] klarthur:
Thanks for the link. I'll cross my fingers! Just so torn on what to do at the moment... I like everything about the S7 except the fact it probably won't ever be rooted/unlocked bootloader... I also like the HTC but don't know if I want to chance it or not... Decisions, decisions
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
I have talked to HTC and Verizon multiple times this week through chat (make of that what you will). HTC says there is nothing to stop the unlocked version from working on Verizon. Verizon says there should be no problem purchasing the unlocked HTC 10 and activating on their network also. The only possible problem might be that there is no 3G capability on the phone for CDMA networks according to HTC. I know I'm pretty much always in a 4G/LTE area. I went ahead and pre-ordered through HTC's site.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
I bought the unlocked version too. If it doesn't work as it can, I'll be leaving for AT&T. I want the freedom of choice which far outweighs the very tiny bit of coverage I'd lose by switching.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] NICG:
My contract ends 5/4, what great timing for me. I am done with Verizon, was going to get the M9 to replace my M8. Once I found out that the only way it can be unlocked was my Java Card I knew development would be weakened. After that i towed to leave Verizon. I think last week sunshine was released for the Verizon M9 some 14 months later. I moved to the DC metro area and sadly my work phone blows (ATT) blows away Verizon speeds So I am actually improving my service anyways.I have never had service on my Verizon phone when I didn't on my ATT phone in all of my travels so the coverage seems to be no loss for me. I have been all over the US for work I can not contest that the speeds maybe faster with Verizon as I have never done comparing speed tests. All I know is around the office, home, and my personal entertainment and when I use the phone most ATT is faster, heck Tmobile is faster too. Verizon is just to congested in the DC metro area. I don't know about you personally but ATT here I come and I will not be looking back at Verizon unless I move to the middle of no where haha. I wish you luck as for the development community will benefit from the unlocked version working on Verizon.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
I had an AT&T phone for a few days and I actually got better service at home on it than I get with Verizon. The only time that Verizon works better is when I'm in northern Minnesota cutting across country. It only lasts for 5 minutes so it isn't a big deal. I agree with you about the speeds, AT&T has better speeds than Verizon in my area.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] techlogik:
Huh? That isn't true. It is a firmware update, and working with VZW why the A9 doesn't have support. I have an A9 and used to be a VZW customer. Switched to TMoUS because according to my conversations with HTC support, they were working with VZW to ensure it would work on their network, and it would be a simple firmware update. Which means, the chipset supports the frequency, it was/is VZW why it never came to fruition. Which is why I have a $100 credit with HTC...so they took it on the chin because VZW sucks.

The M10, if it works on VZW, likely guarantee that it will be a branded VZW phone, they only VZW will sell, and they will work with HTC to ensure the firmware running on that one will work on their network.

HTC will never sell a VZW phone that supports their network directly to consumer. That is all VZW nonsense.

Ricky Gervais isn't making me go back to VZW...never will.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] datafoo:
Unfortunately the internet disagrees with you

Unfortunately the internet disagrees with you:

March 4, 2016: http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/04/htc-one-a9-verizon/

"This was noteworthy, for sure, because the phone was essentially a non-CDMA phone that was going to work on Big Red’s CDMA-heavy network. How was that going to be possible? Well, partly because of the modem included in the phone, but also because it was essentially going to be a LTE-only device."

October 22 2015: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/9...a-phone-of-verizon-how-will-that-work-out.htm

"However, the unlocked HTC One A9 will also include a notable feature, which will make it the first non-CDMA smartphone to work compatibly on Verizon's network.

To use the HTC One A9 on Verizon, customers will need a software update that will be rolled out shortly after the handset is released. Following the software installation, the mobile phone will use LTE only to run on Verizon network. The HTC One A9 running on Verizon will support full data, SMS, MMS and voice capabilities.

Normally, the handset's compatible on Verizon use CDMA network for making and receiving voice calls and text. LTE is used for data transfer. However, with the advancements in Voice over LTE, or VoLTE, the carrier may be able to manage everything via LTE alone.

Even though it is good news for prospective HTC One A9, it should be noted that owners of the latest HTC offering will not be able to use their phone in the absence of LTE coverage."
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] niftytechster101:
Sounds to me like Verizon does't want people to have the option of working around their new fees for activating, even full price phones. And that tweet confirming this without being able to provide specifics hints that that is probably the case. Verizon will sell it full price thru thru online and in stores and get to charge people even more even for a full price purchase.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
Man if Verizon wasn't the only Carrier with true UDP with no throttling and it was a plan I could still get on, I'd be gone in a second.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Tidbits:
T-Mobile somewhat is. You only feel any slow down is when a network is congested. Verizon does the same thing naturally but affects everyone.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jcase:
I'm just going to leave this here https://twitter.com/TheRootNinja/status/729839366432907264
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] sdamark:
Great news brother. My VZW HTC 10 is in the mail. :D

You guys really are the best. :good:
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Noob766:
You sly mother f..... hiding that deep in the comments.

Thank you Jcase and the rest of the team!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
[MENTION=4211570]SerArris[/MENTION] I guess we can return our unlocked and buy the Verizon variant now that it's been unlocked and has s off
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
Dang it. You're probably right. Sheesh.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidrev71:
Very very tempting to buy one now!! Thanks [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jcase:
actually thank [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION]
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidrev71:
Will do.. Thanks [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION]! :)
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidrev71:
I think I'm going to buy.. Android ftw!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
[MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] awesome work!

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I just got mine all setup the way I like too! Lol
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jbea007:
So what now. Is it safe to say return the unlocked version and get the vzw variant?
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
So when Sunshine is updated to support the ability to unlock and S-off the Verizon HTC 10, (which seeing how these guys operate will probably take about five minutes,) we'll still be looking at losing everything on our phones in the process, right?

In anticipation of this, I had started a thread a few minutes before jcase made his big announcement here:

http://xdaforums.com/htc-10/help/best-software-complete-backup-t3376000

asking for recommendations for backup software that would do a complete backup on unrooted phones. Is there such a thing, or are we stuck reconfiguring all sorts of options after we unlock / S-off / root?

Thanks!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] SerArris:
I was well on my way also!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] droidiac13:
I believe sunshine doesn't wipe your phone.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
I can look for the reference, but I'm almost certain that jcase said that with the HTC 10, the unlock process itself resulted in the phone being wiped. It was said in a separate thread he had started for people who had the HTC unlockable version. I'll look for it, and come back and edit this post when I find it.

Edit:

Here's the thread-http://xdaforums.com/htc-10/how-to/psa-htc-10-s-off-s-lock-unlock-t3371264

Here's the relevant part, with bold added by me:

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The way HTC encrypts the key for user data is to more or less mash up the bootloader lock status, the s-on/s-off status, and the password (for those without a password it is something like "default_password") together. Then the encrypt/decrypt the key.

What this means if you change the lock status, or the s-on/s-off status the phone can no longer decrypt your data, forcing you to wipe the device.

This will happen when you lock the device, unlock the device (which also wipes so who cares), go s-on, or go s-off. This does not matter if you use htcdev.com, SunShine, a new generation javacard, fastboot to go s-on/lock, or manually relock the device. They will all cause this to happen.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] dottat:
New to marshmallow eh ? It will restore apps/app data/desktop layout etc now. Just backup SMS if you have them using the HTC messages backup.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] thegrants82:
Absolutely
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Zach092:
Awesome work [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION], definitely excited to have the Verizon variant s-off'd.

I would still love to have the unlocked variant working on Verizon. I'm going to hold out for a little bit before returning, but I'm not holding my breath.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] THUNDEROID:
Great new guys!. Although I'm a bit over my head with modern rooting these days I think it (BTW Coming from a "HTC Thunderbolt" ??). Can't wait to get back up on that saddle!
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Zach092:
edit: removing double post
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] jcase:
It does on encrypted devices running android 6.0, it wipes the encryption keys
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Andyw2100:
Thanks. Yes, I never made it to Marshmallow on my One M8.

I actually used an app to back up SMS and MMS from the M8 and then restored them to the HTC 10, so I could use the same app, back them up to the SD card, and restore them from there, which I imagine would be faster than the way I did it last time. And you're saying that everything else should just "come back" on its own? I'm talking about little, trivial, PITA things, that just add up. For example, it was only this evening that I noticed that the individual ring tones I had set for a bunch of people were not set correctly, so I spent a little time doing that. Are those really going to restore correctly? Because for whatever reason (perhaps because the ringtones were not on the phone) they did not last time.

In fact, there's an issue right there. I have a ringtones directory that has some custom and some M8 ringtones in it. Clearly I'm going to need to put that back manually, right?

It's all these little things that I'd prefer to avoid by having software take care of it all, but perhaps I'm asking for too much.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
You guys are doper than Al Roker! Much thanks to you two! Waiting on email to return my Unlocked now. Hopefully I can get it returned and get the Verizon model quickly before any updates are made to the device.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] faericia:
Got the unlocked HTC 10 today and got as far as getting 4G on verizon. Anyone got theirs working fully on Verizon? Can't get data/texting so far. (I skimmed the posts but a lot to read. :D)
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
Unlocked 10's pretty much useless at this point unless Verizon adds the IMEI's for the unlocked phones or HTC hasn't even given them the IMEI's to add. Either way it's BS. Best to return unlocked and get VZW now that J and beauups have s-off VZW model.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] faericia:
I'm not too familiar with all the tech stuff but seems like maybe the phone is the main problem since the LTE/CDMA is not available on the unlocked version. Yet you can get on 4G on verizon if you choose LTE only, Im hoping it works soon because my purchase was more on the color of the device than the device being unlocked. :D
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] awareunlikeu:
The black version is sexy. I have mine here too. I don't like it either having to go with the silver version with tramp stamp! But if it's got s-off now, then it's def worth it! IMO of course
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] faericia:
I'm not as against the "tramp stamp" as most seem to be. I just really don't want another few years with a silver device again. (not to mention, not fond of the silver back with full fromt black look) Plus,I am still using the silver M7 so after about 2 1/2 years, time for something else. :p If they had verizon with black verision, that would be in my hands right now. XD
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Light1984:
Going to hold out I think for now until sunshine does s-off. If I'm not mistaken, s-off is only currently available through mail-in. Plus US unlocked preorders are supposedly getting a "thank you" in the form of accessory, probably ear buds.. Either way, thanks to [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] and [MENTION=711482]beaups[/MENTION] for keeping after it on this phone. You guys are awesome.
[Verizon HTC 10 Questions & Answers] Zach092:
When I was in the verizon store the other day, they had the Carbon Grey version in stock. I asked them about since its not available online, she didn't seem to know anything about it not being available online but she did say that they have both silver and carbon grey available in the store and were able to order more if they run out of either color.

Like I said I'm still going to hold out for another week or so and keep pushing Verizon to see if I can get mine activated, but if owning the unlocked version was just just about S-Off/the color for you, I'd say its not worth the hassle and you should be able to get what you want with the verizon variant :)