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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
The part that does make sense is if you don't touch the slider how then is exposure set ?

Unless its point, it gets focus on something and then gets the exposure off that.

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Don't bother with that publication when it comes to camera reviews. It's tempting because they get first access but their people taking the photos are clueless. They screwed up the iphone 6s+ camera review too. The fallout works in their favour.

I begin to wonder whether its by design, their commentary is generally critical & negative to the point of causing pause or provocation because they figure it sells better that way.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ndaoud360:
Not sure if this has been mentioned (can't search on the app) but is it possible to make it 16:9 12 megapixels instead of 4:3?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
[MENTION=2098719]Ndaoud360[/MENTION] you can change to 9MP 16:9 can't physically change the sensor dimensions though. ?

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
if you dont touch slider and focus target, ie: auto focus, the 10 will use what HTC calls smart exposure = centered weighted average
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
Can you change to 3:2 (typical DSLR format) as well, or do you have to crop it yourself after taking a picture?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
First a bonus :) Lebanese favourite summer fruit

HTC 10 enhance features vs predecessors

HTC 10 has the most true to life reproduction of the scene, actually no phone i have ever tried matches its color separation in daylight and low light, RAW enhance works really well in daylight, in shadow/indoor/night it fails, the M9 achieved my ever best shot with that phone using its killer RAW capability, its not a fair comparison since these were taken at different times but its the HTC10 on pure auto versus the best of my efforts back on those phones

HTC Raw enhance creates a sharper image with a bit more dynamic range, Google Photos enhance creates an HDR like image at the expense of second gen JPG processing, Google Photos Pop creates a Samsung like black/white crush.

Auto (Default focus and slider)

HTC RAW Enhance

Google Photos Enhance

Google Photos Pop 25%

M9S

Auto

HDR

M9

RAW + PSX

M8

Landscape mode
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrearierJester1:
Use ProShot camera app. You can set the aspect ratio to pretty much whatever you want without sacrificing the resolution.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Deadeye*:
Are you sure about that?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrearierJester1:
Feel free to try.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Deadeye*:
What i meant is that it will sacrifices sensors resolution if you chose anything that not the sensor aspect ratio in this case 4:3

If you chose 19:8 you basically using less sensor/less resolution to produce image
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
You cannot have 12MP 16:9 on the IMX377.

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/...ts/IMX377CQT_ProductSummary_v1.5_20150414.pdf
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
blind point and shoot
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] elena11:
I find it slow loading
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Auto 1/15 iso 1250

Pro set iso 100 1/15
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sallam5010:
How can we edit zoes like old good days on m7 and m8 ? I installed the latest apk but gallery acts to it like normal video ??
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rom116:
I wanted to go back to htc so bad. But when you leave out 60fps 1080 video...come on htc. How do you claim world class camera and leave out a feature that's been standard for years.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Quadrider10:
Anyone else having issues with the camera in pro mode? It seems that when I set the ISO and shutter speed to what I want, it will automatically adjust the exposure. How do I prevent the camera from doing this?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
I tried taking several shots at 2 second exposure but seems like the EXIF shows as only 1 second? It seems like 2 seconds of capturing though on the screen. Maybe it's bugged out.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Quadrider10:
That's what I was also thinking....

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Wonder if it's only the app or software bug?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
Don't know why the WB is messes up on my 10. On auto it is very yellowish. I am on 1.30, Taiwan set.

Manual control WB
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
CW is std on cameras. This smart exposure business isn't.

let me ask the question in a different way.

You point the camera at something, it gets focus on its own and then meters off that point, a weighted circle around that point.

You then tap to focus somewhere else. You only get focus but exposure is still set on whatever it metered off first.If you noticed where it got focus first, good, but you are thinking about your photo and most likely did not notice it.

Then you move the exp slider. its shifting exposure based on the first point it metered off.

So now you are over riding that exposure to get it on what you want. This is the confusing bit. Not clear to me what is happening here. How well does it work ? Did you post any examples before and after.

The technique of tapping to focus then using the exp slider is similar to using spot metering. Meter off a point then use the exp slider to control the rest of the photo. if you don't use the exp slider with spot metering the photo does not come out very good.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Canon_EOS_70D_vs_HTC_10 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
Indoor shots are great!!!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
SuperPano_vs_Lightroom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

Canon_EOS_70D_vs_HTC_10_2 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Pro mode:

Auto 1/15 iso 4319

2sek iso 100

2sek iso 200

RAWs on gdrive soontm

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More night shots in Pro Mode.

1/15 Auto

Iso set to 400

Iso 200

Iso 100

Iso 100 2 sec Stativ

Iso 100 2sec Handheld
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Quadrider10:
How are you guys getting pro mode to work this well? Whenever I set the ISO and shutter speed, it automatically adjusts the exposure and screws up the shot. Or it ignores my inputted values.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
ISO + shutter speed = exposure value

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
You cannot really dictate shutter speed.

In pro mode, select the iso, then put shutter to auto. Take a test shot. Look at what shutter speed is used, then make adjustments from there.

Depending on what you are trying to achieve, adjust only one setting - shutter speed or iso, then keep the other on auto. Take a test shot, then make fine adjustments from there.

As a rule of thumb, outdoors, bright lights, you can set iso to 100 to achieve higher quality photos (less noise).

For indoor, night shots, try with ISO100, if you dark, move up iso. I think the 10 can handle iso till about 800, and still give decent photos.

This is a huge topic... You can research more...

Really wish the shutter speed can be extended till about 20secs...

This is what I could do by sticking a Neutral Density filter in front of my M8 and 4 sec exposure.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thegrants82:
No no no. This is incorrect.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Tested it this morning in my VERY dimly lit room. 1 second vs 2 second exposure had zero difference on the image. Tried Manual Camera app and it has the same limitation as the 6P of a shutter time of only .2s - 1/5. There is more particular ISO control in Manual Camera though which is weird... HTC really gimped their manual controls vs even Samsung! The S7E took a WAY better shot with a 1 and 2 second exposure. The 6P's photo was the worst of them all - too much noise (yes HDR+ was used). The 10's photo was much better on auto with HDR than the 6P so that's good.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] West Coast Charlie:
Can different camera apps extend the exposure time or is this firmware based that has to be updated by HTC themselves?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
[MENTION=7411322]West Coast Charlie[/MENTION]

i have tested various camera apps, but all same max 0,5 sec
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
Cloudy overcast means more blue light than daylight so auto wb compensates by adding more yellow.

The wb is just getting tricked by adding more yellow than required, no biggie.

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Long exposures with a shot like the one above requires a real ND filter. If it isn't a good quality filter then image quality reduces.

But you can get the same effect without long exposure or using an ND filter AND have better image quality with the 10 if you want or with any camera that has manual settings :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcZkCnPs45s

Scrub to the part where the talks about ND filter simulation.

Works better if you use a tripod. Set fixed focus & exposure in manual, take several shots. Then merge them with either photoshop or imagemagick (cmd line & free).

Want to get your night shots to look super clean ? use image averaging. The ISO gets divided by number of shots merged, the noise will be minimal. Image averaging is the new thing since HDR+ on the latest Nexii, much better than the previous HDR+ on the N6. ZTE nubia & Huawei P9 do it in camera. Pro capture app on the iphone has a setting that takes 64 shots in low light.

The 10 does not employ image averaging but nothing to stop you doing it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] djbutter:
Randomly took this last night in an uber using auto. Had to lower the exposure. Also did some post to sharpen the pic.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gleggie:
So is the consensus that the camera is slightly worse than the S7's? Bc that's pretty good...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] v1rk:
Both pretty much the same, Just took mixed shots between both today in my garden https://flic.kr/s/aHskwYxNnt using most same settings on camera fv-5

Samsung s7e Camera FV-5

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HTC 10 Camera FV-5

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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] thegrants82:
Seriously? I even have the htc 10 and love it but the outdoor shot here is totally blown out. I'm using my 5x until a decent camera patch comes out.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] v1rk:
Not on the latest 1.5 update still on 1.30 so gotta wait for the update still
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
Depends. I have both and the G5 plus an iPhone 6S. The 10 can take better shots than the S7 and the other way around. All depends on type of shot. Really close tbh. However, despite owning all the phones, I prefer the 10 more times than not over the S7.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] PunishedSnake:
I compared it to my wife's s7

Her s7 produces more yellow in low light
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rkial:
Are you talking about the pro mode or just auto.

If I dont want to tinker with the pro, will the 10 take good enough photos?

I currently have an S6... and I'm pretty happy with the camera. Would love to move to the HTC 10 but a downgrade in camera would be disappointing.

How does it hold up against something like the S6 in Auto ?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] amq:
I thought the camera is going to be worse before buying, but now I really like it. It tends to be quite neutral in terms of colors, but you can always adjust this in any editor.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
Currently in Auto for anything less than bright daylight the 10 sucks. Sort of. It chooses extremely high ISO which produces noisy photos. There is no need for that and should hopefully be fixed by an update later... but as of right now I'd say Samsung's cameras get it right in auto mode more often than HTC. Check out some of the camera comparisons by review sites as they are pretty much always auto mode examples.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] TomElwood:
Update 1.5??

Im new here so just a quick question. Im on 1.3 in the UK, is 1.5 US only or will it eventually reach unlocked international?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
you cant imagine my happiness that this issue was finally finally taken out of my life! nearly every smartphone i touched before the 10 had yellowish lol light (outside apple) and most of my kid's pics are indoor low light

finally sorted, the 10 has excellent white balance and colour separation in low light, its worth the asking price on its own

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yes but you are on this thread and we've told you that there are two ways to sort it out when it happens (no it doesnt happen all the time, ISO doesnt **** up all the time) lower the exposure slider and use the caps in pro mode or kill auto HDR (Actually a must, Auto HDR is awesome in the day and should be kept off in the night)

i understand this concern by people not even reading these threads, but to read the solution and still ignore it, i dont know....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] PunishedSnake:
Lol didn't even notice until I compared the two side by side
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
If you're that concerned about white balance, especially at night, the G5/G4/V10 take the cake over the 10.

Also, I am well aware of using pro mode to fix those issues. I use a tripod at night with my phones and have taken some pretty stellar shots with many, many devices. He asked how AUTO mode performs. As of right now, auto mode sucks at night. There is no way around it. HTC can easily fix it, and hopefully they will. The 6P produces better photos at night with a smaller aperture and no OIS (with HDR+), so the 10 could easily beat it if they get the software right.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] btort1:
Anyone have trouble with auto focus? Sometimes when I open camera app I have to tap on the object/person or else it's gonna be all blurry. I updated to 1.5 and it didn't even improve it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
The S6 has had a year of updates. Similar to all of last year's flagships so it will be highly optimised now. The S6 camera is good. But I personally feel the post processing on the HTC 10 is not as harsh and therefore some shots will look better, but not all. The S6 is using higher MP but the 10 higher pixels.

2016 is the year when making a generic statement about which camera is better is not good enough. You have to be very specific about which aspects of the cameras.

Personally why change your S6? It will be good for another year. Save some money. The HTC 10 is about its audio, solid build, fluidity and finally a decent camera from HTC. The S7 is meant to have the best camera, but its post processing is way over the top. Also low light isn't right all the time with yellow or worse tinting. The S7 focusing is excellent and has a super fast burst. Yet its headphone audio is meh. (being polite here). But the S7 does have other qualities like great video. So the G5 is another phone yet has the lowest build quality. FM Radio, IR blaster, APTX HD, modules and yet its getting scathed in the press. G5 has worst sunlight visibility at the 3. G5 has cool wide angle lens. And the comparison goes on. Nothing is clear cut nowadays. You have to make lists of what matters to you.

Lastly, your S6 has an IR blaster. Get the S7 or HTC 10 and you lose this feature. 2016 is the year of taking stuff away and giving new things.

Good quality audio from headphones and the loudspeaker make a difference to everything, hence why the HTC 10 is my personal fav.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
the 6P produces better picture because of non real time (you shoot and wait) software stacking, ie: HDR+ compare them apple to apple by disabling HDR+ and then lets talk, even then at low light the 6P is a smudge fest but since we are allowing ourselves to use special features like the HDR+ which not lower exposure with the slider on the 10 or cap the ISO, you will see how it destroys the 6P in low light

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i must thank you directly, finally someone who speaks some common sense into these forums

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clean your laser focus lens
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rkial:
Thanks a lot for a detailed response.

Why change from an S6? I had a 2 year old M7 which I loved but it was showing its age. We didnt get the M9 in India.. The S6 was the best option... and its pretty good.. But I really missed my HTC right from the start..

The feel, the speakers, the experience.

I wanted to move back as soon as they put out a competitive product.. that or a good Nexus phone.

The A9 felt like a downgrade and the 6P is too big.

With the 10, I feel I can go back to HTC and not regret it.. well .. except the camera... which on the S6 was a HUGE improvement on my M7 and downgrading there would be a little annoying.

about the camera. I remember the S6 being pretty good right from Day 1. Before I got too many updates.

I'm not an expert when it comes to photography.. Dont tinker too much with pro. (will try .. and hopefully do it more if I see it make a difference, but I would still want a camera that takes great photos in Auto)

Not much into mobile photography. Not too many nature or landscape shots..

Mostly indoors.. Family/friends. Some when I'm out in restaurants. Casual shots. Some decently lit indoor shots. Some in tricky lighting... Some outdoors.. A mix really.. but mostly of people.

I dont really care about the camera too much.. But the S6 just worked in auto. I could take a photo and it would be perfectly usable and mostly looked pretty solid.

The issue is, I have seen a lot of samples of the HTC 10 where the images just look lifeless. Dull, washed out. When its outside, it looks blown out by the sunlight.

Are those issues fixed with the updates?

Does turning off auto HDR give consistently usable results or will it be hit or miss.

Even if I have to make a quick adjustment, Its fine, as long as I can get a good usable picture consistently and its not a bit of a lottery . I dont know enough about photography to make adjustments of the fly depending on the lighting .

If there is a single fix for it, I'd be happy with it.

If its capable of fantastic shots but I have to tinker with the photos to get the best out of it, it might not be something I would do.

Thats it really. That is what I meant when I asked how it would fare in "auto" mode. The s6 delivers for me.. almost always.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] BitFeed:
Other comparisons

http://www.bitfeed.co/page/htc-10-our-review
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] codeglitch:
do you guys know of any guide/how to for taking better pictures with the 10? Settings depending on environment/ best practices?

Maybe a little archive of knowledge? From what I see here everyone is playing around a bit with settings to get better/different shots and it would be nice to learn from what you guys are doing ;)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
Hello mate!

What about RAW of the 10? Is it bloody superior to Auto jpeg? :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Moncicci:
Finally , for photo in auto is good camera ?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
Yes of course. It's also great that Google photos has raw enhancement mode to automatically make raw images look amazing.

However, auto is good too.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Nitemare3219:
The only thing the 10 does better is produce less noise than the 6P when it has HDR+ turned off. Again we're talking about auto mode here. And if you want to use pro mode, the S7 and G5 destroy the 10. HTC could have done a better job.

And the 6P can easily take advantage of HDR+ with almost no delay between shots, so that's a worthless complaint. Shooting is never fast at night to begin with. Yes there is processing time but that doesn't stop you from taking more photos. You can have several photos processing in the background while you continue to take pictures.

I think the S6 to the S7 is a worthwhile upgrade if you can easily switch like with T-Mobile jump on demand. But again it all comes down to features. If you can't live without an IR blaster, well there you have it.

The G5 actually has better sunlight vis than the 10.

And the G5 having aptX HD is really interesting. I'd love to hear an example of it working. And I'd love to know how to tell what receivers support aptX and HD. I use BT in my car, and if it could take advantage of aptX HD, I'd switch to the G5 today - but I have no idea.

Best advice I can give is maybe read up online how to use exposure settings, go outside and experiment. The level of control in the 10's pro mode is good. They could have given more control... And right now the 2 second shutter doesn't even work - caps at 1 second. The S7 has great manual control. The G5/V10/G4 have unmatched control.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
The HTC 10 images are actually more natural and less heavily post processed than the Samsung. Also the S6 screen is probably running in adaptive screen mode which saturates colours too. Nothing wrong in this but worth noting.

If the HTC 10 images are not saturated enough, just use edit option in Google Photos. Select pop option and tweak.

HTC Auto mode is really good. So is its burst mode. At night you may need to turn HDR auto to off . Pro mode is fantastic , make sure raw is selected. Why? There is now a raw enhancement tool in the edit option in Google Photos. It automatically tweaks the raw image to create an incredible jpg.

Whilst I can shoot in Pro mode with ease, I will use auto a lot too.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Google Photo can't open dng here > wrong file format

you mean snapseed?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gavinfabl:
No. Google Photos. Don't use share icon. Use pen edit icon. Asks do you want raw enhancement tool? Or Photo Editor.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rkial:
Thanks a lot.

That does allay some fears.

Now cant wait for HTC to launch it here.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
i have installed "old" htc album with raw enhancement tool
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ba7rani:
Shooting jewelries is too much difficult, I was trying at work today and I got this very good shot ...

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Sorry for bad English ...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DiP7:
HTC 10 :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ibolito:
Oh my god, the picture of the dandelion is simply incredible, the other ones too !
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mwatson:
How do you open RAW in Google photo Gavin? Are you searching for the file in a file explorer, or opening the image from within Google photos? I can't seem to open it up? Thanks
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
[MENTION=650183]mwatson[/MENTION] doesn't it says "RAW" on the photo thumbnail.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mwatson:
It does in Snapseed, but not in Google Photos.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Test results are in. 2 seconds is a Fluke.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
so do we have a bug or not?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
I don't have any certain way to proof it. But the 2seconds do not look like 2 seconds at all. I say they're way less.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
[MENTION=7355468]isellfood[/MENTION] this is looks like a thing to report to HTC, the 2 seconds in pro mode are not really working