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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
1.55.709.5 low light camera improvements (should be the same as 1.53)

all taken in low light with auto HDR, point and shoot auto focus, we can see how the camera no longer blows up the ISO, this a major fix to the HTC camera, ISO blow up was the biggest problem, yes we can still complain about processing or smudging but HTC is using Qualcomm default s820 ISP configuration, so unless a revelation comes from QC this is as good as it gets outside pro mode

Previously I've recommended auto HDR left ON in daylight and OFF in low light, now I recommend to keep it ON all the time as long as you are aware of its presence, auto HDR requires your hand to be more steady to prevent random blurs, so if HDR kicked in you will need to be stable (the auto HDR icon will light green when this happens)

(auto chose ISO400, HDR)

(auto chose ISO160, HDR)

(auto chose ISO160, HDR)

Its curious how all of these images brighten a lot if we do auto levels in Photoshop or Google Photos image editor, maybe HTC will push levels a little via post for the low light photos in the next update? especially since the ISO is now under control [MENTION=7355468]isellfood[/MENTION]

Also as you can see in the first photo, all the glares we saw from complaints and many reviews were coming from lens smudging aka: stupid user, yes you might ask for coating but you would spoil a perfectly crystal clear sapphire lens just because you can't be clean enough :rolleyes:

equally camera lens coating was a huge problem on HTC phones before the sapphire on the M9 as they deteriorated with time, I am sure no one wants to go back there
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
I agree. The lens coating on the M8 was a particular pain in the side. The photos look great. Glad to see ISO cap and fixed glare issues.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
dont say this please you are smarter than this :rolleyes:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] West Coast Charlie:
The 1.55 update seems to take better pictures than the 1.53. The 1.53 FW still seems to blow out the lights based on reviews and 1.55 seems to have better dynamic range and just that much more saturation to make the pictures look more vivid without looking cartoony. Maybe that's just me.....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
in a way its a real shame because they have one of the best smartphone cameras of all time on this thing and the initial reviews said otherwise, but i dare any phone to come up with such true to life color in tough light this way...also everyone bashing DXO for their score, when i can understand how DXO was scientific about it and could see the true potential of this killer hardware combo, they didnt let few niggles spoil this, yes it was blowing up ISO but it was also in your control using the slider, DXO are experts who used this properly
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sercos72:
Also HTC 10's raw image best in class.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
I recommend Photomatix Pro for using easy HDR with the 10 DNGs, really great results
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] CommanderROR:
I'm glad to see that HTC is improving the camera eith regular Updates. It's a pity though, that they started so late, because all the reviews are out now.

About DXO though... I never trusted their camera tests, because they so often are miles away from real world experience. The way they hyped the Xperia Z5 camera really finished them IMHO. Sure, maybe it is possible to take great pictures if you go for full manual mode and take RAW images, but not many users will do that on a Smartphone. Even on DSLR cameras many people just go straight with the jpegs...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
no one said anything about DNG, the 10 took awesome photos using pro in jpeg mode if you controlled ISO even on the first software, you could also do the same from the normal auto mode using the brightness slider
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
PSX_20160602_125205 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

PSX_20160602_124821 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr

PSX_20160601_201904 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
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I like your cat shot very much and I will tell you why because it shows how well camera copes with reproducing texture. Ginger cats or any moggy non-breed cats. I think you did great color adjustment work on photoshop. Third image is my favorite maybe it looks most natural .
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Yeah it does that really well outdoors and/or with decent amount of light. Indoors it's a little bit hit or miss sometimes.

Here's a full auto shot indoors with main light source coming from outside, not a lot of it.

And another image which Chrome just displays so wrong it's not even funny.

Photoshop auto color first to the 16:9 2240x4000 which I then cropped to 2:3 at 2240x3360 which I downscaled (bicubic sharper) to the 480x720 thumbnail and the 720x1080 image behind the link in the thumbnail.*

Photoshop's automagic color worked really well for this image, camera was a little bit unsure what to do, reddish/purplish wallpaper on top of the natural light coming in + 2700K fluorescent light in the background.

*If someone hasn't noticed, when I embed images I usually go the extra route of doing the img tags with url tags wrapped around them.

Smaller image for thumbnail and bigger image behind the link for those who wish to see a bigger image.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
brightness value is 3. So its HDR like the other two.

From what i've seen of samples at the pixel level. In good light there isn't much blurring due to HDR. In low light however, i would think the potential for blurring will increase but that's not apparent with your 3 samples.

The first one outside the french restaurant. is there blurring there,don't know unless we compare with a non-hdr. Looks pretty sharp for 1/14, no complaint.

Second one, with 1/33, shutters on the house look clear not soft. Blurring ? no

Third one, shutters not as sharp as the second but then its also further away and the light is low.

The ISO of all three what i'd expect with f1.8 for the lighting.

As for whether to use HDR or not, it isn't affecting sharpness. Exposure is the only place where it either works or not.

My question is what value did HDR bring to your samples. Did they come out better with HDR and if so how.

Lenses that protrude are more likely to get dirty. The only solution is a case that rises above the lens bump and regular cleaning.

if you watched the video i'd linked a while ago, Tony takes a crabs claw and tries his best to scratch his lens, takes a shot and compares with a non-scratched lens and there is no discernable difference. So no need to use some cheap filter to protect against scratching :)

smudging and coating wearing off will be a bigger problem.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
Thanks for another great image. I would love to see unprocessed image just to have a look at colour reproduction in this situation.

I specifically installed mozzilafirefox and tweaked it's colour managements settings for better color reproduction. I have to say images look identical on my monitor, chrome and mozila . Back in the days I would notice obvious gap between those two browsers but not anymore. I also have calibrated monitor which seems to be working fine.

This is link to browser colour management : http://ntown.at/2013/12/28/firefox-color-management/

Back to the image it has very nice detail indeed and lots of cat hair on the sofa :) I have cat too . Did you do any sharpening to large file of cat?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] duowing:
The real issue with smudging is just the placement and size of the lens. For some reason my finger just seems to end up touching the camera lens of this phone more than any other I've ever had. I try to do my best to be aware of it and not touch it, but I just do all the time.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
Turning HDR off would not help in scenario I talk about, because there would be not enough data to work on. And for this instance lights would be even more blown out if exposure slider bring up. Any other ideas? Like anything to do with metering mode?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
thanks for correcting, hard to figure out the HDR ones for me if i use auto HDR

as for blurring, i didnt say my pics are blurred, i held steady so no blurs, i meant as a recommendation if you have auto HDR enabled you need to be careful about that, you cant be lazy and feeling confident because of OIS, blur risk especially at low light is higher with Auto HDR

as for the last question, i didnt touch anything i took one with auto HDR and one without, for the three pictures, the ones which had HDR ended up better

the three pics are a perfect representation of the scene colors and available light at those moments, really amazing
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
I know. The keyboard must have predicted it. LOL

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Here you go

Yup, my Firefox is color managed and I've done exactly what that link shows.

This is the difference between Chrome and Firefox for me, took screenshots..

I should just ditch it all together. (and yes I've set the Windoze color settings properly)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] West Coast Charlie:
For those of you with the 1.55 FW update, have you tested the exposure issue where 2 seconds exposure is perpetually stuck on 1 second (or .7 if I remember correctly) Someone should do a new shootout with HTC 10 as a comparison
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] One Twelve:
Am not 100% sure about the brightness value, just see a correlation that's all.

So i want you to test this theory :)

The test needs a few pairs of photos. HDR off. Not auto. Just off. Can't use EV slider.

Daytime is good.

Need a way to set exposure on the foreground so background either gets darker or blows out for first photo.

and another with exposure on the background so foreground is darker for second photo that completes the pair.

Then examine what brightness value says. Should say 0 for both, since HDR was off

Thing is tapping to focus only focuses now, won't set exposure.

So how to do it ?

Do you still have the non-hdr ones by any chance ?

would be interesting to see how they compared with the HDR.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
I would like to know this as well.

How to test? You can for example try the Testufo frame skipping test.

http://www.testufo.com/#test=frameskipping&horiz=20&vert=15 (increase the vertical count if you wish)

Set the shutter speed to 2 seconds and snap an image.

If you have a regular 60Hz monitor, it refreshes the image 60 times per second.

The test draws 60 blocks per second.

If shutter speed is 2 seconds = 120 blocks.

amount of blocks in image / 60 = real shutter speed.

Right now with 1.30 and presumably with 1.53, it's going to show 42 blocks.

42 / 60 = 0.7 seconds
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nebulaoperator:
I was baffled by the same issue years ago and I can't remember what I did to correct it. My samples are identical I would say so. Chrome on left Mozila on right.

Original is not far from ideal colour given light conditions are mixed. Thanks for it.[IMG="Chrome on the left Mozila right"]http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/nebulaoperator/Chrome%20vs%20mozila_zpssknaqjxf.jpg[/IMG]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] goodtimes50:
Some vacation pics...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ivanovic:
All 3 great shots! Can't wait for my 10 to arrive!

Στάλθηκε από το HTC One A9 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Nope.... no improvement in 1.55.709.5

If I find a HTC Stall at the Computex tomorrow I'm gonna tell em :D

1/60

0.6sec

1sec

2sec

Edit:

I see this works pretty well on an iMac.

0.5 sec

1 sec

2 sec

Oh yeah, increase Raster size. great idea.

1/10

0.5

0.8

1sec

2sec
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
You do that ?

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Kr0m100:
Taken today, auto settings.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
2016-06-03-08-05 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Auto HDR
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MAkS1:
Auto
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Lurien:
I've had the phone for about a week and I see that there's an update in the playstore for the camera. Should I update the app?? Are there any real improvements?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] sercos72:
Yes, you should update it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Lurien:
Beautiful pictures!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChronoReverse:
Anyone have a solution for the selfie camera quality? It looks great in the preview but blurry when I actually take it. Is there an app that would do a better job of bypassing the horrible post-processing?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Black_Eyes:
What a beautiful Shot Man ??
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
PSX_20160604_174121 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] CommanderROR:
Nice beetles!

Only issue i'd havr with that image is, that the point where the background goes blurry looks a bit strange. Like the background blur was added artificially...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] SolidSnakeSK:
Ow my god, the more I read the more I get confused.

I have Galaxy Note 5, wanted to upgrade to HTC 10 (Not sure if it is worth it, wanted a strong phone to use for 2/3 years and without protective case), but Camera lights/sun flares problem holds me back, feels like I'm going to suffer for good quick camera shots in streets...

Does the latest Camera update fix this problem?

Thanks in advance!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Just rub the lens and the laser focus clean with a microfiber cloth.

Sent from my HTC 10

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Unedited jpg. Lowered the exposure by swiping the screen. Strong dusk light.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Blindschleiche / blind worm (Anguis fragilis) by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ndaoud360:
Is there a way to record 4k in mp4 vs the default mkv. Mkv is not supported in Sony Vegas video editor.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ivicask:
Try some of many camera apps on play store, I'm sure some has this option.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbase64:
Cyberlink Power Director supports mkv with flac audio, but output is fullhd.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Honestly HTC overdid it with this update!

Auto Mode 1/16 iso 1000

Pro Mode iso 3200 is 1/53
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ndaoud360:
OR (just found out) check 4k but uncheck hi-res audio to get output as mp4. For me I over dub the current audio anyway so I'm good.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Btw high quality Audio....

Anyone has done some Testing if the Mic is even capable of that?/there is any difference to normal recorded Audio?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Anyone knows how to insert pic from Flickr properly? From the Flickr app to Tapatalk?

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ivanovic:
You have to open in browser and use the share feature (bbcode)

Στάλθηκε από το HTC One A9 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] OGhoul:
Is there a way to lock focus, other than using pro mode? I ask because I had issues photographing Lantern Fest (night shots, with burning lanterns floating up into the sky) with the 10 because it could not focus. And Pro's pics were too grainy.

Ie, on the iPhone, if I touch and hold in the view finder, it will lock focus on the tap target.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qualitymove13:
Portsmouth, NH
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
It's the same. Tap and hold to lock AF/AE.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImagioX1:
So long as you keep your hands steady HDR does a great job.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] RSK01:
Koi painting

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7581/26896799364_c75bc34441_o_d.jpg
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MAkS1:
View attachment 3774842
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ImagioX1:
Is that a painting?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] AfroCreame:
Picked up an HTC 10 to compare with my S7 Edge and the S7 kills it in lowlight. I don't know what kind of crack DXOmark is smoking..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] markzuekarly:
Galaxy S7 camera is more bright as compared to HTC M10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChronoReverse:
Try zooming into that bright image to observe the smearing. It's bright but it's just cranking up brightness unrealistically with a filter.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
so you picked it up just to compare with your S7s aka bash the 10? good job

i rather trust this reputable guy better:

https://gavinsgadgets.com/2016/05/31/htc-10-audio-fidelity-on-a-phone-review/

[MENTION=241112]gavinfabl[/MENTION]

also note he complains about ISO ramping up at night, which HTC fixed in 1.55 update
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
Ass Knights to the rescue. FML. Every year the same. This is the HTC 10 camera thread. If you make comparison statements have them supported my including photos for comparison. Saying "my potato takes better pictures than this tomato" is just nonsense.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] AfroCreame:
It's obvious.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rkial:
It definitely pulls more light in very dark scenarios.

This is the HTC thread and bias will creep in. Just ignore it.

Did you try it in any other lighting conditions?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JEANRIVERA:
could anyone here that has get the HTC Camera update from yesterday Jun 6 please share the apk?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
June 6 Update?

Got the one from 1.55

8.10.751237

Camera2 folder?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwqG3liwGXQHNDBrTnM3cDdCY0k/view?usp=drivesdk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JEANRIVERA:
Mine is updated higher than that
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
Selectional updating in the play Store ..... fu Google...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
But... Does this work on 1.3 firmware?

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ivicask:
It works even on HTC m9, so..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Finally....someone is talking about the front camera.... It is just crap.. I couldn't believe my eyes seeing the image quality of this camera.. It was supposed to be the same sensor that was the main camera on HTC One M8, but hell no....it has far far difference... It looks like the photos are taken with 2mp front camera of the old chinese phones... Everyone HTC brings out something new (this time OIS), it just fails.. shame HTC... I also want a solution for this...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ivicask:
Did you disable face smoothing option?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
I did. Even though it's so unsharp and pixelated. I am so pissed off. Do u know any solution for it?

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Yah front camera is a s****y one as u mentioned.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ivicask:
Mhm, funny because using the same camera as on HTC10 selfie pics on my M9 look just fine, not sure where the issue could be, will play with it when i get the phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] zimilaci:
can you provide us samples ? cause I have no prob with the selfie cam.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Really? Ok I will.

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I was struggling to find out the exact word for the picture quality of the HTC 10 front facing camera, but seeing this video I found it - "Airbrushed"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szgCpoU_Nzs Yes, the pictures coming out of the front facing camera look like airbrushed, especially in indoors or low light which isn't supposed to happen as 10 has both OIS and larger pixels. Infact, I think HTC should work more on the front camera rather than the rear one in the following updates.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
FYI the M9 has the M8's rear camera on the front. 10 is using last year's Galaxy's front camera but with bigger aperture and OIS.

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] OGhoul:
Thanks. I somehow didn't touch long enough I guess.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qualitymove13:
Pulled latest (8.10.763406 ) from apkmirrror.

http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/htc-corporation/htc-camera-new/htc-camera-new-8-10-763406-release/
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] OGhoul:
It appears to be on the (US) Play Store as well.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ChronoReverse:
The front camera itself is fine, the preview looks awesome in fact. But take the picture and then the post processing destroys the picture.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] !M4G3:
Tried snap camera, not bad.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Oh good to know that info...even though it's just a disaster... HTC 10 has the worst front facing camera I ever used (coming from LG G4 < M8 < M7 < Desire)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rizevnarastek:
[MENTION=4205032]nipun1110[/MENTION] I think it's quite fine. Then again I don't really use it that much.

Some samples from the rear, albeit compressed by Tapatalk (/no time):

Sent from my HTC 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qualitymove13:
Hampton Beach, NH
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vegetaleb:
This camera is very good
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] nipun1110:
Yah rear camera is very much acceptable and that's why I said HTC should work on front camera from now on.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
Mostly untouched and mostly auto, if I've done anything or if I remember something about it I'll specifically mention it.. (lazy)

One of my latest shots, auto HDR EV compensated. 100% untouched, well besides making a smaller thumbnail off of it.. It's a Tagetes patula or otherwise known as French marigold.

Dat bokeh/dof doe, idk about everyone else but I like the lens of the 10.

The rest in no specific order..

This was in auto and might be a HDR. "In the moment" so no EV comp, blown highlights. Adjusted colors a tad as it was a bit too warm.

Idk.

Messed with the colors a bit, closer to real life andnot too warm.

This is probably one of the only pro mode pictures

HDR..doh.

Probably an auto HDR
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] princebama:
Pretty good looking pics here
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] kamots:
Anyone know what the new update to the camera in the play store today was about?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] OGhoul:
No idea. There's an update for Sense Home as well, but I can't update either of them.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] racingmatt1:
I have a m9 will I get this camera update as well?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] OGhoul:
Maybe, but I can't say for sure. HTC appears to have 2 different camera apps available now. The one on my 10 has a shutter button on its icon. The other version does not.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JohnCorleone:
It is a completely new camera in the HTC 10. It's a 12 ultrapixel (I believe) with laser auto focus and optical image stabilization on the main camera and front camera. I had the M9. I thought that the M9 took pretty good daytime pics but not so good low light photos. I am loving this camera! I am sure HTC will continue updating both though. The M9 will see Android N for sure.

A few sample pics I took (one zoomed in, a low-light chemtrail picture and a selfie) all Auto HDR setting