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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 3165dwayne:
Do you remember the LG V10? some players used the Snapdragon DAC while others used the Sabre DAC. Neutron was one of the players that didn't use the sabre dac. It really is that simple. That's why I am asking. I have been using neutron for years but audio quality on Android has been awful for years as well. i normally used a FiiO X3 but that changed when the V10 came around. Anyway, I'm currently using neutron paired with my MSR7 and i do notice the difference in sound. the stock player does sound vastly different from neutron even without using the eq available in neutron. i know that the stock player is using the DAC. That's just how HTC made the thing. i don't know if Neutron is doing the same and i do hope that it does because i don't like being forced to use google play music. i also sometimes notice a slight clicking noise while using neutron. i have tried using poweramp alpha build 703 and 704 but it keeps crashing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Never touched any other communicator rather than hTc - life is only one and finish rapidly, brother.. ?

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
I believe that was a special case due to LG setting up the phone that allowed toggling between standard and hi-fi DAC. This isn't possible on this phone.

Anyway if you have high quality headphones you should be able to tell the difference, so you tell us! Otherwise I'd say reach out to the developers of neutron and ask about the HTC 10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] drummerman:
Totally agree. It may lack the glitzy look and flashy lights of some but it is imho the best player out there. Google player sounds good too.

The others play with algorithms but the hardware is usually the true limitation. No one can do wonders.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Alright. I just heard the same difference when I downloaded Eval Neutron. Once I made sure crossfeed, surround sound, replay gain were off, I could no longer hear a difference.

Side note, this app is butt ugly and froze a lot on me doing this testing. I'll stick with PowerAmp with the KitKat Skin.

Edit: I've just moved to BlackPlayer Ex since I never really used PowerAmp's EQ anyway. The extra design elements on BlackPlayer sold me. I'm still using Google Store credit from my 6P purchase in November so why not.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
I'd like to add on that the M8 displayed noticeable differences between music players when BoomSound was activated, especially with local MPEG audio files (mp3). I thought I was going crazy until I used the HK ADSP with BS which seemed to break all of BS except for SRS processing. mp3 files for some reason used the "movie" preset. But this didn't occur in some music players such as poweramp and neutron.

My understanding of how this phone is set up suggests the 24bit DAC will always be used. However, if there are differences between music players, it's going to be when using Dolby BoomSound.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Such a beautiful post and so much truth. I just use the app that makes my eyes, fingers, 820, and battery happy. They all sound the same if you're using no processing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
Yes well said especially that first sentence. And the last part.

Sound tuning is best left to the professionals that produce audio gear. Which is why every audiophile should have a solid collection of headphones that compliment each other.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cavist:
Whitemamba post should be sticked forever on the first page of this topic. And it also succesfuly ended this DAC playerz nonsense.

+1 Whitemamba.

I also compared the so called "hi res" ear buds HTC with basic Shure SE215 iems and the HTCs are awfull, I really can not thin of any use of them especially the low frequencies are so poor quality that I really wonder who came up with this marketing hi res name for them.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
That's because the "hi-res" headphones only need to have a bandwidth of 40kHz http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/e861b5da53a8ffec/index.html. It's a marketing term. Can confirm better than Apple EarPods though.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Haven't seen it mentioned in this thread but...the 10 does not have gapless playback. I have to use a player that uses its own decoder to get it. Why oh why must companies not pay attention to the details?

Edit: Been trying to find more info on this and nothing. Every player that uses the built-in decoder will give me the dreaded 1 sec pause with segued tracks. Back to PowerAmp I go. "Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in". I've been using PowerAmp since 2011.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] chdloc:
Very good post! Just a couple of comments to clarify.

Dithering (as well as oversampling and noise shaping) is done in the DAC itself. With modern DACs I cannot see any advantage of doing it in software. That "square-like" wave form you are referring to disappears in the DAC. Just measure the output of a DAC when fed with a sine wave, for instance. The measured signal looks (and sounds) nice and smooth with the precision required to please even the most discerning ear.

Increasing the resolution of an audio file (up from its native 16-bit or 24-bit) will not make any audible difference. Post-processing cannot create information out of thin air. This "resampling" (not really the correct term) is nothing but a marketing gimmick.

I highly recommend everyone to read this blog and watch the associated videos linked in that post. Information worth its weight in gold.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcrompton:
[MENTION=320479]NotATreoFan[/MENTION]

Are you still routinely using V4A with your htc 10 and a sound mod as well?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
Yep. I'm currently using the XPlay mod from here:

* ViPER|Audio || ViPER|Atmos || ViPER|DD+ 4.8/5.5 * Driver * Stock * Sony * Beats *

Anyone willing to test this after a clean or dirty rom flash? :good:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...hare_fid=3793&share_type=t&share_pid=67579329

(It's my work phone. Don't worry, still Android at heart)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jcrompton:
Great thanks

Does that have any user interface and are you installing that on top of the Universal V4A?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] razrlover:
This is absolutely perfect!!!!

This plus Jabra Dolby based Bluetooth headphones awesome!!

Thanks as always, been using your Dolby atmos MOD in some form on at least 3 phones!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
You'll have V4A and Dolby. I turn Dolby of myself and just use V4A with some Convolver and Viper Bass.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
Hey guys anyone has dedicated music player like fiio x5 or x3 and an compare the sound quality of those with htc 10 headphone jack

Is it just able to have a dedicated music player like fiio when we have such powerful and quality htc 10 headphone jack?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cavist:
And what *dedicated* (omg lol) player does comparing to non dedicated like Black Player or stock htc player?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
Man r u making fun of my post or you didn't understand it?

Software vs hardware... You sure u understood right?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cavist:
Just making fun, would not say that I did not understand it because they will start laughning and picking on me!

My bad though.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
I did not understand one of these posts

Do you mean justifiable?

What??

That ain't not a double negative!

Lol seriously though, I am also curious to hear how this device compares to a solid player like a Fiio. I've read comparisons where the LG V10 is as good if not better than most mid range Fiio DAPs. And I've also read the HTC 10 is better than the V10. So by transitive property of sources I cannot quote it must be better lol.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
Yeah i mean is it justifiable to get players like fiio while htc 10 has best phone audio output
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] haZethew0rld:
v4a + AM3D is good with IEM's but with decent over-ears v4a is all you need imo, it can get uncomfortable using both on over ears lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] -4ndr01d-:
do you still have the noise issue that was discussed a bout a month ago? I am still having noise on quiet sounds through v4a. double checked all the settings per another user in the thread, and have turned off all audio profiles. still hear the high pitch
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
The Xplay mod running well for me, but I just updated to a 1.90-based ROM and I'm running into issues with low audio. But still no noise. Continuing to investigate.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vancecwtan:
He meant dedicated music playback device. As in a device which was built for the sole purpose of outputtting music. Well I got Audio Technica R70x(comparable to Beyer DT770 or Senn HD600/650) which is 470ohms and the HTC 10 just plays it fine. Definitely doesn't sound as good as dedicated players. I've got an Asus Xonar STX II on my desktop and it is a different beast compared to HTC 10 but no complaints. Best music I've heard from a phone for along time.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] -4ndr01d-:
im on viper 2.6.1 and did the xplay mod as well...this breaks the htc theater/ music mode for external speakers....is that the case for you as well? (otherwise, I enjoy xplay mod)

also, wasnt there a user in here that made audio apps that knew why that was happeneing?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
It is normal for BoomSound toggles to stop working after flashing V4A. The headphone profiles will still work, however.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] snowmantr:
Hi everyone, I have an HTC 10 and can confirm that they have aptX. I have an aptx enabled heaphones and sound is terrific ;)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JohnCorleone:
Did you ever get someone to help you with testing? The system volumes (especially ringtone) need a nice kick in the a$$ to get them louder. This device seems like it would greatly benefit from the HTC ONE M7 ViperROM X Loud MOD that added a bunch of equalizer presets as well as other custom sound features and the UI was incredible...it was like going in to set up custom headphone settings and having a list of options to choose from!

---------- Post added at 08:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:48 AM ----------

You should see if the ViperROM devs can bring back in their Viper X Loud addition that included like 30 headphone custom EQ settings as well as an extra loud feature...and the UI matched perfectly with the HTC One M7 ViperROM. In fact, I think I have it pulled somewhere because it was eventually phased out once HTC lost Beats on the M8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] chdloc:
No.

The main application for my EQ is in the area of headphone compensation (although it can be applied to the loudspeakers as well). It is not necessarily the best tool to "make stuff louder". I'm an advocate for linear processing that does not introduce any additional non-linear distortions. If you already added all the hardware gain available to you via the mixer, then you may need/want to apply volume compression-style processing techniques with a mod. Alternatively, you could copy the ringtones/notification sounds that you use off your phone and inject some fixed or dynamic (compressor) gain with, for example, Audacity, and copy them back to your phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Hi! Quick question: which music player do you advice for best experience on HTC 10? (I'm using PowerAmp 3.0 alpha 3 for Hi-Res audio, hoping it's a good choice)

Thanks in advance :)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] stefan1234566789:
hi ! what audio mod from this tread should i use ?

i don't need much processing , just more clarity and boost for speakers / headphones
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Cro Cop:
Is there someone here using the new Poweramp v3 alpha build and its Hi-Res output ?

I am and I`m noticing big output latency, like it needs around 3,2 seconds to change the preset in the equalizer, same goes for changing the volume etc.

My output latency is 1687ms, picture -----> http://imgur.com/a/3HrAz

The other 2 outputs are working just fine btw.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MaZaGnGy:
does anyone know how to make v4a working for any sound out from the speaker like soundcloud and ringtones

it works good but not boost volume for ringtones or soundcloud when using speaker
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
You can enable output boost under the Speaker section. Sorry I can't provide screenshots, I'm running a non-V4A install at the moment, but you can definitely make the speakers a lot louder using it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Cro Cop:
Okay, so I just want to check if this is normal. If someone could confirm this, I would appreciate it.

Whenever a sound is played on HTC 10, I hear a slight little

static sound for 3-4 seconds

, and then it disappears. It happens when I use headphones or speaker.

My phone is stock, haven`t messed with some advanced audio settings.

The best way to check this is to go to settings --> Sound & notification --> Notification sound.

Play one of these sounds.

If played through speaker, put the lower part of the phone (where the speaker is) to your ear, you should hear a very slight static sound that disappears 3 seconds after the sound is played.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] haZethew0rld:
Funny how HTC advertise those new USB C earphones yet Boomsound doesn't work with them or Viper. I just got some cheap L Eco USB C earphones and they do sound decent, but they could be better with Boomsound + Viper.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Contivity:
Anyone here manage to get ARISE/V4A to work with USB DAC on HTC 10?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MaZaGnGy:
i did that and feel the different but loud not work with all sound ex: if i play a song from soundcloud v4a not working and when someone call me or i got any notifications also v4a not working

it boost the sound from speaker but not all sounds like ringtones when someone call u not when u playback it and notifications .

and something else maybe you or someone have a fix or a trick

when u got a call or a notification sound out from bottom speaker only for something like 5 sec and after that come from both speaker and for notifications come only from bottom speaker because it is shorter than 5 sec.

so i miss a lot of notification until i pickup the device and check by myself

any trick !!!? :(
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
My ringtones and notifications were definitely louder from the start. However, for music apps that use their own DAC or signal processor (Power Amp), V4A will not work until you disable it inside the app.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MaZaGnGy:
My main issue is the ringtone and notifications

It always start from bottom speaker for a short time and then played from both speaker.

Can u tell me what is ur rom and device cid

And what about ur device it is a unlocked or working under a mobile network like T-Mobile or sprint ect.

And again thanks for ur reply mate :good:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
T-Mobile device, S-Off, set to Super CID, international 1.91.x firmware, running Viper 2.9.0 w/ T-Mobile US carrier configuration.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
:rolleyes:

If you use digital USB Type-C headphones, the DAC that will be used and what will be converting the digital signal to analog sound will be inside the headphones, not the phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] haZethew0rld:
Yes I know that. However Boomsound is not a dac, it's equalizer effects + Dolby. All I want is to be able to EQ USB C headphones which is not possible yet. all I'm saying is you'd think HTC would enable it for USB C headphones considering they're the ones selling them.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sivat:
Does anyone know if there's a Magisk/systemless dolby atmos floating around somewhere? I just got android pay set up and playing nicely with root/xposed/v4a and I don't wanna mess that up and reflash to stock.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MaZaGnGy:
im international, S-Off, super CID last 1.91.x firmware and also running viper 2.9 but the only different is im using default carrier configuration and still have bottom speaker play sound 1st and after 3 sec both work together for ringtone and notifications :(

i read what happen with me is happen with some guys also and it is called a speaker protection !!!

do u think if i use T-Mobile settings my network will work ? ! im using Vodafone and i dont care about data cuz i always using wifi

if it work i can try maybe speakers work both at the same time from beginning

that issue make me hate this device really :S

and im sorry for bothering u a lot mate
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
I've also used US Unlocked, so try flashing with that setting. As for your data, just manually configure the APN for Vodafone if needed.

Depending on how deep some customizations may be, you might have to clean flash to fix.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] MaZaGnGy:
i found that my firmware is 1.90.x not the last 1.91.x and i cant find the last one till now

maybe the last firmware is a reason i will try to find it and if not working i will try T-Mobile settings and i wish it works

really thank u a lot for ur kind :good:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] skyline385:
Hi, i am new here and am thinking of getting the HTC. However, i wanted to know if the HTC 10 also suffers from the DAC routing issues of phones like the LG V10 (without the Global DAC unofficial app) and the Axon 7 where the music is routed through the default Snapdragon DAC instead of the discrete one for all apps except the default music app (not Google Play Music, the manufacturer one) supplied with the phone. If yes, can someone confirm for me which streaming services are supported by the DAC. I use them for my music exclusive and this would be a real dealbreaker for me. I tried going through the replies in this thread but couldn't find anything conclusive.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haldi4803:
HTC10 uses the Qualcomm Aqstic DAC and therefore has a way better sound quality/less noise than the G5 or S7 with sd820

Gesendet von meinem HTC 10 mit Tapatalk
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] skyline385:
Yes, i kinda read about the Aqstic DAC but the phones i mentioned have basically two DACs apparently, the discrete HiFi one and the default one which comes on the Snapdragon chips which is were the routing problem arises for non default apps. So, i was hoping to know if the HTC has a thing like this too. Best way to notice this is by playing the same music through the manufacturer default app and through a streaming service. I saw a couple of posts on Head-Fi too where some people were disappointed with the Sound Quality from streaming services (probably because the app doesn't use the Aqstic DAC).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] razrlover:
There is a work around thread for Viper audio and the apparent problem with streaming apps have a data playback issue that storage based players don't have.

Also seen post about deep buffer and low latency being removed by editing audio.policy.conf in system/etc.

Had this phone since replace l release and the sound is good but i can't say that it's that much better than what i achieved on the past couple of Nexus devices i have had.

DACs and that biz I am new too. Thanks for the info
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] whitemamba:
If I'm not mistaken, the HTC 10 only has one DAC, the Aqstic DAC, so its default one being used all the time and should work on any application.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] skyline385:
Yea i did some more reading on it and that's what i seem to now understand as well. Qualcomm's official description suggests that as well:
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mike Grace:
How to increase volume on HTC 10. Tried changing mixer path no change. Maybe different on HTC 10.Any help would be appreciated8
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jan1000:
Only mono recording possible for "audio only"

Audio recording is perfect when using the HTC camera app.

What I don't understand is that the HTC Camera app is the only app that gets access to the stereo microphones.

Recording in any other app will result in a mono recording. This was BTW already the case for the M7.

Does anyone know a workaround for this? Are there maybe custom ROM's that don't have this limitation ?

To my opinion HTC should at least offer an "audio only" app that can record audio in stereo.

Would be even better that you can record in stereo in all camera / audio apps (like Open camera, Hi-Q mp3 rec, etc).

Note:

Other apps will most of the time offer the option to record in stereo, but that resulting recording will be in mono (2 channels with idential audio).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] [D4v3|R4v3]:
Yeah, it's a pity that you always have to use the camera app to be able to record true stereo sound.

What I also noticed is, that the M7 distinguishes the stereo sound way better than the 10. I'm curious if this is a hardware limitation or just maybe something that can be addressed via some software tweaking.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] chdloc:
Stereo recording should be possible for other apps as well. You'll likely have to edit two system files, i.e. /system/etc/mixer_paths_tasha.xml and /system/etc/media_profiles.xml, to get it to work. If you post those two files here and I'll see what I can do.

In addition, run the following command in a (possibly root) shell either during or shortly after a (stereo) camcorder recording

logcat | grep audio

and post the output.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jan1000:
WOW, that would be very nice!

My HTC 10 is not rooted yet, because my camera has a flickering issue, i think I have to send my device in for warranty.

Hopefully someone else here can give the information you need? Else I hope to have a new device within 2 weeks and the I will root it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sivat:
The issue with V4A and apps like soundcloud is an audio policy conf one.

Soundcloud, Google Maps (voice navigation), and any notification sounds are set for the low latency audio track which is a very minimal audio api. The only way to fix it is to remove the option for low latency entirely.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ericsdeadinside:
I finally got around to ordering the HTC Hi-Res headphones. The sound is ok, but it's let down by the muffling sound from the earplug-type cushions. And no volume buttons?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] VR32:
hey yall, i just got my 10 and have this phone almost totally setup with root and s-off... it's AMAZING. i returned a Pixel for this phone, and i couldn't be happier. i haven't loved any phone since my Galaxy S3 until now.

except for one small thing. my notification sounds are so loud they are distorting at volume level one. i have searched but can't find a solution.

i have V4A and it works as it should. but i don't think i have it perfectly setup... it's good for music mostly and i can probably tweak it a bit. i cannot find anywhere to adjust the notification sound volumes anywhere on the phone. i'm on Resurrection Remix latest. any info on how to adjust the system notification volumes? TIA!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
Your loud notifications are because of the ROM you're running. All AOSP ROMs on the 10 currently have this issue. You'll need to run a Sense-based ROM to fix it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] VR32:
thanks very much. i guess by now we can expect no fix on aosp then, eh?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
It's being worked on, but all of the AOSP releases up to now are starting from CM code, where it still has not been fixed.