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[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
They really are trying very hard to hide their true nature and feelings. I agree that someone with some true authority with in the company at&t needs to look into this - their mods being arrogant and incompetent is one thing... but having one of their own involved in a libelous situation could cost them plenty... in many ways.

And the million dollar question: if there is no guilt there, why act as if there is. If there is nothing to hide or cover up, why do so? That alone make one think there is some truth to all of this.
[Off-topic] Athena:
That's the wonderful double standard we as members were just supposed to "shut up and take it"..

I have a feeling that "internal inquiry" will involve a broom and a rug.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
A little editing of my own:eek::D
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I can see why that part was edited out to protect John, but I don't get the "keep it courtious" rule. There was nothing about that question and or statements that applies to those rules.
[Off-topic] CUSTEL:
My recent conflicts with AT&T can be outlined in my blog seen below.

http://www.tri-syndicate.com

:(
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
More heavy handed moderation

BeRich1949 has been permanently banned. For what? Saying greetings to GWelker and FoneJunkie? Posting too many threads in the lounge? Thanks, Sentry! :cool:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
How dare someone say hello to those two!?! Those names are taboo! Given the "criminal" history those two have over there you might as well had said hello to Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. :eek: I hate to think what would have happen if they said hello to donnana. :(
[Off-topic] jamiefiedler:
hey FJ! good to see you again. :)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Hi, Jamie... good to be seen on a public forum again :)

so there is life after the att forums...
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
That is now out of the TOS.

You can say AT&T sucks as much as you want and not worry about having your service terminated.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATTs-Changed-TOS-in-Full-88325

And I really wish they would unban my login at my work IP!
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Apparently the Latino one does not appreciate being congratulated en español.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Too bad the thread got pulled before I had a chance to say "gracias" to GWelker. :D Then, the banishment would've been complete for me, as well. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] donnana:
Chiming In

I was banned, as well, but I was ready (and as the twins say, asked for it). See, there's this ohsospecial designation of Community Leader. When the twins began their little inquisition, I posted that I no longer wanted that title, given what little support we were getting. I basically told them to take their little title and silver star back, to kiss my arse and ban it when they were done.

My name is donnana, and I've been a bad girl. :D And I think I just made my first post here!
[Off-topic] intrglctcrevfnk:
nice... the guru's of the AT&T forum are all here... hahahaha!

hello to GWelker62, FoneJunkie, and JamieFielder!!!

You guys answered many of my Q's when I was a noob over there!
[Off-topic] newbie2:
And you know me on the AT&T forums, as well.

My banishment isn't complete. . . yet. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] mcorrie1121:
Ah, mine as well! Thanks guys. :)
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
And that kiss my a.... post was awesome! I bow down to donnana's greatness. :D

I wish I could have gone out in style like that. :mad:
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I hate to say it, but I thought all of the people in the AT&T forum who had their user names in color were paid employees of AT&T. I'm glad that's not really the case and I'm happy to see GWelker62, FoneJunkie, JamieFielder, and others over here in the "evil forum". :)

Maybe someone should "reincarnate" as Go2XDA or GoogleXDA. :p
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
Honestly, I am all for switching to T-Mobile but the fact they don't have a 3G network here... it kinda ruins it for me as that is what my whole battle with at&t is currently over... Getting my "AT&T Legacy" aka "Cingular Blue" SIM back on the 3G network! However I guess I don't have 3G with at&t right now anyway since everyone working there is too lazy to actually pass the information on to the engineers who could fix the authentication problem in a few min's. And if they engineers are getting the message and just being lazy... even worse!

I just don't feel I should have to pay an extra $60/mo to change plans when I have had no problems all year other than one week in May. But they fixed the problem then. Why can't they just do it again! :mad:

Ugg I have never used there system and I bet I could get it fixed in under 15min given the access to the network!
[Off-topic] jamiefiedler:
no sir. while some of the people on the board are employees, the majority really are (were?) there just trying to help out other people.

i found the at&t forum about a year and a half ago while trying to figure out how to get my aircard 860 working under os x (SW had nonexistent mac support back then). i ended up writing a driver myself and posting it on the at&t forum - over 6200 downloads and a whole lot of thank you emails later...here i am.

i think i'll start putting some time in at xda too. :D
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
But don't be misled. A number of the 'users' were also reps - either AT&T employees or reps working for third party call centers, but AT&T reps, nonetheless. The king of the reps was wilcre - who works as a third party rep in the Halifax call center. Wilcre regularly denied that he was an at&t employee, and technically he was correct, but he got paid to be a rep, plain and simple. He was notorious for using his canned macros to rack up nearly 30K posts... often arguing for the sake of arguing, and at times, even arguing with himself. Many of these reps claimed to be posting on their own time, but wilcre posted around the clock - from home, from work - it didn't matter.

John_B, aka JohnBorder was a rep at one time who stopped being a rep (don't know the background and frankly, don't care), but eventually he signed on with Lithium, the company who wrote/supported the forum software and became known as SideshowBob and later changed his handle to OptimusPrime.

I consider this information important to understanding how that place worked - and who was who around there... the bottom line was as long as you sucked up to folks like Sentry and WirelessForeman, you were golden. But cross them once and you were put on a very short leash... many of us didn't handle being on a leash very well, either.

The real heroes around there were folks like Pama28 and mod.moose (Lithium mods who supported the forums and helped police the place) and AT&T admin/reps like MarkF, AT, sunshine and G8keeper. I'm sure there are others, but it wasn't until G8keeper left that the at&t forums started the nosedive into the cesspool...
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Does anyone know anything about BGFlores? He recently changed his name to BrianfromNO. Anyway, he's lying to the noobs.

BrianfromNO wrote:

What was released for download was the WM6 upgrade for the HTC-branded TyTN models. This ROM can't be installed on AT&T phones because the phones are CID locked
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I recognize the name BGFlores, and yeah, he is pretty good at spreading manure. I haven't been there recently ( :) ) so I can't speak to the new name. It's a real shame that he would deliberately mislead n00bs, but I can promise you that he's not the only one there doing that... but there's nothing that can/will be done there... especially since this whole XDA site is 'the site that cannot be mentioned' there.
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
XDA should make an "AT&T Refugee" forum.

A place where all the banned/canned/disgusted AT&T forum users can unite.

A place where the truth can be spoken and problems acknowledged.

A place where the user/customer can get real answers.

A place where helping means more than sucking up to the mods.

A place for Answers!

But no I can't run for President, I have clearly not been around long enough yet! :cool:
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
The censoring over there gets more ridiculous every day. Now you can't even use the word "stupid" without being edited.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I don't know if you still can, but you used to be able to insert html code in the middle of a word to bypass the filter... you could not say stupid, but you could say stup<font color="black">id. It was always a game for some (me?) to find a way around their filtering...
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Too bad but an excellent insight into the way that place has become a train wreck. BeRich1949 gets banned for being courteous and polite while they lock and edit posts complaining about one of their mods trashing people on another forum.

I certainly would not want to share a foxhole with this particular sentry as once again he hides behind his subordinates.
[Off-topic] padawan:
This is some wacky ****e. Are these guys all really this paranoid over there? What good does it do? They seem to have all really drank the cool-aid.

Its better than Days of Our Lives.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
I don't think paranoid is quite the word you're looking for here. . . egomania is more like it.

It hasn't done ANY good as far as the users/customers are concerned. It only feeds their need for power and control over people.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
It started with egomania, but it has been replaced with paranoia. And you can give credit to this thread for that. :D :p
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
That because it is As The Globe Turns soon to nominated for an Emmy Award for best reality soap opera...:D

And it just keeps getting better and better....:eek:
[Off-topic] padawan:
wow.

Ok. They sell PHONES and PHONE service. We are not talking NSA or CIA here. We all know AT&T's CS is poor. Im a Centennial user in the midwest. Their prices aren't the lowest but I have no reason to switch yet. Centennial CS is not too bad.

Lets see... "Im a AT&T board mod and today Im going to wake up and bash, delete, whatever, block, etc. users on my support forum." Yippee. Want to be my friend? They are taking their jobs WAY to seriously.

Boy thats a job I want.

You know, My Grandfather always said "you cannot argue with an ignorant man".

I'm out...
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Don't bother trying to figure it out. There is absolutely no sense to be made of that place with sentry in charge. He has just enough 'yes men' (wireless foreman, john_b/optimus prime, wilcre, pcardoza/jameson and a few others) to continue his reign of incompetence. And he obviously has 'the goods' on someone higher up in the food chain to keep them looking the other way.

I've heard that a little paranoia is healthy... but they are sure running scared about something...
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Just stopped in to get my daily dose of hysteria!!! Here's a little tidbit for you guys to mull over...... Enjoy the fodder kids.

A mob is a group of people, generally with an aggressive purpose, such as chasing someone out of town. Mob mentality generally refers when someone controls a group in a negative way. Kinda like how Hitler convinced all those people that they needed to kill the jews. The leader tends to only point out the facts that the group would want to hear in order to gain control of them, and make sure they act rashly, because generally, if the people wait and think it over, it doesn't make much sense. Hope this helps a little, sorry if it doesnt....
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Wow! Here's an even better one kiddies!

The Steps for Mob Mind Control

1. Have a clear and simple outcome for your mob to perform. Don't tell them ahead of time.

2. Create a shared experience in a location where the action should take place.

3. Create a heightened emotional state in the group. Anger is an easy state to elicit but more positive states can work as well.

4. Isolate potential mob leaders who would more freely act if protected by anonymity of the crowd.

5. Call to action. Make it simple.

6. Keep the group together.

7. As the mob actions escalates others can be brought in by rumor exchange. Given the group dynamic by introducing an emotional rumor, true or not, other more docile members of the group can be called in to contact with the front lines. Screaming "“They just killed a kid with their night sticks!"” is a good example.

8. If you only want chaotic destruction it will be easy and all you have to do is add lot's of alcohol to the above equation.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Welcome back, Paul!

Your posts always offer a fascinating insight into your thought processes.

Enjoy your time out and about.
[Off-topic] kyphur:
So I guess "Wanting Fair Moderation" is the aggressive purpose here?

Even more interesting is how you (at&t Moderator or Mod Lacky) compare yourself and your buddies to the Jews of Europe in WWII!

Me thinks you gots your picture reversed (it can happen if you wear oven mitts while manipulating the scene in photoshop).

BTW, I left your complete quote here to prevent you from rewriting History Adol... er I mean Jameson!
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
Impressive! Only the 2nd reply and less than one hour to prove my point! And from one of the "leaders" no less! Hehehehehehe!!!!!
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
This mob that you speak of, you must know it well since the ringleader is Sentry and you are one of his mind controlled little robots. Comprende, Senor Robot?
[Off-topic] padawan:
More cool-aid please.

When does the next flight to at&t/jonestown leave?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Dude.. NO SPANISH - It will get you banned permanently... uh, oh, um, never mind... as you were...
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
Mentality

Jameson. I don't know why you even bother to post your "insight" since your mentality just seems to be centered on how far you should bend over. Just take the corporate approach and suck it up -- isn't that what you advocate?
[Off-topic] padawan:
mis-read. Please disregard.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Jameson's drive-by posting again...
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
A mob? Aggressive purpose? Chasing someone out of town? As in Sentry and WF? ....... HEEELLLLL YEA!! That's us!! I like the sound of that!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the rest of your comparison to us, it kinda falls short. Like who's the leader in control of this mob? Also what "facts" are being left out? Man I would give anything for the "other side" to share the "facts" here. All we get is your condescending crap. You do a good job of solidifying our opinion of the turd twins and prove to everyone here your nothing but one of their brown nosing trolls.

Oh yea, say hi in the CL forum to John_B_XDA_IS_Loserville for me. The door is open if he still wants to reconcile.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
That should read: John_B_Optimus_Prime_Lithium_Moderator_XDA_IS_Loserville
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Moi stands corrected. :)
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Paul,

You seem to have a lot of time on your hands today. Here is something to help keep you and your fellow Community "Leaders" occupied. The followinhg is a list of the VCM members as of September 10 (ie, after several contributors were either banned from the VCM or from the entire fora). You will note that most have not been active for some time. A few cases of inactivity (AkronVA, SouthernVA, one from St Louis) were reps who moved on to other jobs and some (YBN, Jutt) were members who changed carriers.

I think you, your fellow Community "Leaders", and the moderator staff will find it instructive to compare the date of last significant activity for a lot of these people with the registration dates for Wireless Foreman and Sentry. You will find a strong correlation between their (Sentry, WF) arrival and advancement and the dates that longtime (and in most cases highly contributive) members decided that they could no longer stomach the mess there.

adgsteve, AkronVA (Previously known as JOsborne), alive_79, Asatoran,

BeanSidhe, Berzerker, Blue4Life (Previously known as rnardone), browneyedgirl,C55AMG (Previously known as dbhakta2003), cara1382,

chrisy-ann, Danimal1968, DeidreC, dpotter, DWC1, ebubman, efparri, Excalibur, Fire14, formercanuck, friskokid, george616, GiGi77 (Previously known as Gee Gee), GotAWD (Previously known as Kamata), hidden_dragon,

hme83, incognitony (Previously known as cingtony). ItzSMK71, Jameson! (Previously known as pcardoza), jamiefiedler, jamrbutl, jlemoine, joemd07,

John - B aka OptimusPrime aka SideShowBob (Previously known as JohnBorder) JT, Jutt, jxself, karv213, keyhole03, KQw1K, KungPowKitten, LakeRat, LANCE96816, lightdog555, Lil_Black_Dress, mtbelley, mygrace, nericq

odinson, pulp_fiction, RaffyL, rag7, RBIsaacs, rewakm, Ris, Robert_DarkFall, rocky76, Rodedog57, Ron_Miami, scaredwitless, seedub, Sheik HF1 (Previously known as HF1khal ), Shintara, shorty2h2, siGh, Sinderella (Previously known as PinkV3), Sleeping, snap-hiss, southernVA, SquiSh1717,

sultansybercouch (Previously known as sybercouch), swife, t2c, Theras (Previously known as Praetor), times_cker, Urbotay, victoria999, wilcre, williaminsa, WilliamRM, WirelessGoddess, wolfie, YBN, yigehaoren, youngjm.

Once you have done that you will want to reconsider your recent rants.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Paul:

Congrats on being the 'lackey du jour'. Now that you've had your turn, who's next? Will it be wilcre or John_B? (I'm guessing that John_B may not be back for a while after his last trip.)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I can tell you that Paul Cardoza is not smart enough to come up with that whole thing on his own (though I doubt that sentry and wirelessforeman or the rest of their brain trust is, either). I DO suspect that the mods (sentry and wirelessforeman) are spinning their collective web into the whole Hitler vs the Jews thing and painting themselves as the persecuted ones. The ironic thing is that it's THEIR little kingdom, yet they are crying that they are being persecuted.

You are correct in that jameson is merely the lackey delivery boy. The at&t mods don't have the huevos to come state their own case. They have to send in the flunkies to do their dirty work - much like they do at home on their own forum.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
:eek: I'll never tell. . . :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
OMG!!! :eek: I was just thinking the same thing myself today!!! :cool:
[Off-topic] kyphur:
Actually the point you have proven is how backwards it is at the at&t Forums.

You consider a Moderator to be a Leader when in fact we are Servants to the community. We have each volunteered to provide a service to the community that has given us so much. Moderators don't make the rules we apply them even-handly and equally across the board.

Now I simply pity you and those you kiss up to. How sad your lives are that preceived importance in a forum is worth so much you'd burn down the forums before admitting that you are not important beyond your ability to bully someone in CyberSpace.

:eek:
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Well said, kyphur!!! :)
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Very well said and wish that the AT&T Moderators read your response and learn from what you said. It is the user who makes the community when the the Moderator is the leader then the leader is supposed to be an even and fair person unlike what the current AT&T employed Moderators are doing. I have to say, Jameson sure made sure to provide the point for what the Banned ones have been saying as well as the example he provided made of a nasty history comparison (which unfortunately the AT&T Moderators are echoing) that also looks like it portrays the current Moderator rules, tactics and heavy handed approach with the Do As We Say or You Are Doomed. Too bad they can not see beyond their mistakes and learn instead of falling deeper and deeper without knowing how to climb out the hole they have created for them selfs. A message to the AT&T Moderators, stand up and let the others know that you are not such bad people, admit to the mistakes you made and be respected instead, do not hide behind the users and let them be bashed on your behalf and if you really cared for the users you would have not let them and begged them not to come in here as it is not their mistake but it is yours and you are the ones who should be there instead of them taking the heat for your own mistakes.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Well said. And you are correct that the mods are not the servants of anything/anyone over at at&t.
[Off-topic] donnana:
Oooh - Newsflash, eh?

No need to describe the AT&T forums to us, it's not news. This is why we're gone.
[Off-topic] April 1:
I was one of the oldest active member od AT&T / Cingular forum, helping members for years. I was invited to join their secret chamber called "VCM" and I noticed its another gossip place and nothing serious takes place, I wanted to quit VCM, but one of the mods requested me to stay back.

I changed my mind and stayed back but later on I noticed unpleasant things happening in VCM, I questioned WF and Sentry for the actions and the result was I was not only banned from using VCM, I was totally banned from using the forums. My questions to them were only in secret chamber VCM and not in public.

I feel WF and Sentry took some kind of revenge for questioning them in VCM. How can they just throw some one out of forum who is their oldest member, who single handedly supported forum for years on Windows Mobile, has a clean record in forum.....

Anyway, now I hate to be there in their presence.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
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Thanks for the post. John has added a note to his profile just to prevent possible misunderstandings. You are correct – moderators have different roles and responsibilities, and thus different rules, than regular users

mod.moose

Note in John_B's profile:

I am a long-time user of the AT&T Wireless Forums, and I am also a moderator for Lithium Technologies. I occasionally fill in as a moderator on the AT&T forums. When I do, my username is OptimusPrime.” I’ve kept my regular username, John B, so my past posts (and any new ones I make as a user) don’t appear as official directions from a moderator.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
If I remember correcty, when Sentry closed the last thread about the Spanish forum, he commanded NO ONE better bring it up again. But he DID invite further conversation via PMs if anybody wanted. Didn't you get the Ban Hammer for doing what he asked?
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
So I guess the question of which "hat" he was wearing as XDA_IS_Loserville finally got answered. If he posts as John_B the customer on the AT&T forums and as JohnB_ here, that's the same person.

However, posting as OptimusPrime on the AT&T forums when he's a moderator and as XDA_IS_Loserville here would make his posts here an official stance of Lithium, wouldn't you think??

Two names -- two different set of rules. . . even mod.moose says there's a different set of rules for members and moderators. . . now, we know. . . :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Jameson!:
You folks continue to amaze me with your astounding levels of naivity! Do you honestly believe that a handful of moderators are running wild at AT&T, with no direction or knowledge of upper management? You do realize that we're talking about a multi-mega-billion dollar company, right?

Given the high visibility of the forums to the 65,000,000 strong customer base, you are truly convinced that TWO mods in specific, are allowed to run wild? You guys really need to get a grip on the reality of corporate America. You can bet the ranch that there are people several layers up from the mods, who oversee and direct them on a regular basis. I would not be surprised to find members of the corp legal department also heavily involved in setting the direction and policies of the forums.

Those of you who were banned may have convinced yourselfs that you actually did nothing wrong to deserve the banning, but to lay the blame solely at the feet of the day-to-day moderators of the forums is downright ludicrous. After reading the 600+ messages in this thread, I'm thinking the banning decisions were wise, TO SAY THE LEAST!

Enjoy the day kiddies!