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[Off-topic] GiGi77:
From what I heard it would have to be a Moderator that unbanned you (or that's what I heard whenever G8keeper was in charge) :confused:
[Off-topic] jwzg:
Banned? No.

Flamed? Certainly... I hope you brought your asbestos underwear.

I'm up before you and after you. I just have a real job from 7:30-5:00

The contributing members of this forum accomplish more in 2 hours than you do in a week.

Don't let the screen door hit 'cha where the good Lawd split 'cha.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Ah, the real wilcre stands up.

You have to see it from this side of the fence. They see you in alliance with those two mods. So, you are a the turn coat to them. There was those that resigned their CL status in protest for me, lkc2854, and April1. They took up for us and I have to call them friends for it. But they got kicked out of the VCM for it, and some got banned completely. I know about Sentry lying to you all about "nobody was kicked out of the VCM for resigning their CL". That is BS. Just another lie that is creating animosity.

Ask yourself Will, did you see anything that me, or the others do to get us banned? You see more posts than anybody. If not, would you do the right thing and stand up for us? If you did see anything that warrants banning, tell me. I am man enough to take it.
[Off-topic] jwzg:
Jameson1, I've flamed one other person in my entire time at XDA and got a very stern warning for it. Now as a mod, I'm letting you know you shouldn't come over here and tell us how to do our jobs or how well we're doing them, and we won't come over there and tell you how to do yours. /Rant
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Flamed
[Off-topic] donnana:
Various and Sundry

to wilcre ("but obviously the ones I though were acquaintances on the AT&T forums are turn coats ...")

Now you see the difference between an acquaintance and a friend. Acquaintances don't have coats to turn.

to a couple folks - just for the record, I am totally gruntled. :p
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Yes, gruntled really is a word according to Merriam-Webster
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
This dam picture is stuck in my head... :p

And what a nice flaming that was by the mods. :D

As for Jameson!, I don't hold you to your promise of not posting again. And I ask the mods to give you full freedom (in this thread only) to say what you want.

It is obvious he is buying the stories Sentry and or WF are telling him. For him to continue dialogue here would be important, even if he is going to be belligerent.

In a PM WF sent to me, he stated there is well documented proof of my actions outside of the VCM from the time of me getting kicked out, to the time of my complete ban. Well, it's real easy to say you have proof, I say lets see it! If this is not a lie, then there should be no problem producing it. I tell you what, don't take my word for it, ask a couple of other mods other than Sentry and WF. And if they do produce proof, I will make a public apology right here and I will drop this FOREVER. Come on guys, the truth is nothing to fear. Are you so afraid of losing your rank, and status over there that you would abandon your friends and blindly follow Sentry? Is your rank and post count more important than the truth? I bow to those who resigned their CL. That took some real integrity to give up their title.

Another member over there, that I have come to respect their insight, warned me those two were third rate goons. You know, I am ashamed I didn't really believe him. I guess I learned the hard way. Maybe that's what it will take for the rest of you.
[Off-topic] jwzg:
We're more awake when we are asleep than most people are all day long.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
At least you GOT something from the mods... I got no email, no PM, nothing. Just a missing link into the VCM forum, and eventually big fat padlock on the front gate when I tried to return to the forums. If they want to be secretive on the one hand, and claim on the other that they have documentation and provided warnings, they are simply not telling the truth. When I questioned mod.moose (who had do actually do the deed because WF and Sentry can't), all she could say was that she didn't know why - all she knew was that she got an email telling her to do it (kick me out of VCM, then later one to ban me). I've known mod.moose for a while, and I will say it again - she's a class act, and a real stand-up gal. If only the at&t mods were stand-up guys, rather than thugs with grudges.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well, not really. I had to reincarnate, then have GiGi77 get in touch with one of them to find out what was going on. WF responded, but quickly banned that new name before I could explain the miscommunication.

As far as mod.moose, if only they could clone her. The turd twins really need to look to her for guidance.

But lets face it Fone, we were bad. I crack a joke with lkc2854 when her rank went up, "at least the computer ranking system appreciates your efforts" and you congratulate her in Spanish. We have to admit that was a horrible crime and we deserve our punishment. :rolleyes: We need to let it go and be content in our new club house. :p
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
You know I don't care what forum it is, I think there should be something in place where you can have someone that's neutral to be a mediator for whenever anyone has a disagreement with a Moderator. And there should be guidelines that clearly state IF there is a process to appeal a ban and that it states how long you are banned for. It seems to me that G8keeper once posted in the VCM that a troll got banned and he stated that it was for a week. If they came back after being banned and they did it again, the next penalty was a little stricter.

It looks like you all have found a forum that you all are happy with and I'm glad.

I'm just sorry that I couldn't mend the fence between all of you and the Moderators on the at&t forum. :(

Peace!
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I suppose placing us in stocks in the public square is next?
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
You know, GiGi, I don't think anyone was able to mend that fence. WF and Sentry have nuked it completely off the planet. But your efforts are noted (and appreciated).
[Off-topic] bgflores:
I thought you found that Ignore button? You seem to have an awfully keen interest in what I say. Sadly, I couldn't say what I wanted to say (look, you ninnies, the ROM is up for 3 months) for fear of being edited by the mods.
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
What if you don't know who banned you though? (sure we can assume it was Sentry but how to know for sure?) I mean I never got anything from anyone. No email's, no PM's. Just woke up to a page saying I can't access that site.

And any new logins I make from other IP's get banned as well and clearly those accounts are not posting anything they shouldn't. And they never get anything from the mods either. Just another ban.

Personally I liked having my forum name the same as it is here and that should not be a problem so why did they have to ban me!

SIDE NOTE about my service issue:

OK well i could keep going but this side note is getting a bit long. ;)
[Off-topic] bgflores:
I've been having a problem with my Tilt connecting to the 3G network in the neighborhood around my apartment (and only in that neighborhood). I called CS and was directed to Tech Support, and I had someone who was ostensibly a first-level Network Engineer ask me if the UMTS network was the same thing as the 3G network.
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
Yup, he kept saying "do you mean the UMTS network" when I referred to it as the 3G network as well. That didn't help justify his title either.

I just kept saying "ya 3G/UMTS/HSDPA the local step above Edge"
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I really hate it when people in positions of authority abuse their power for personal reasons or just because they can. When "the banned ones" started showing up over here, I thought OMG. I mean, ya'll were THE answers people over there. I never felt like ya'll were "tools" like some of the other people over there.

Just remember, time wounds all heels! :D
[Off-topic] kyphur:
If you keep talking that that we'll just have to ban you here, after all if AT&T doesn't like you then there must be something wrong with you!!

:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Um....that should be a recommendation instead! :p
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Thanks FJ. I've never seen anything like this happen over there, it's like new ground. :confused:
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Did you try and contact Mod.Moose and see if she knew who you could contact? The only other thing is to get on a computer that's not been banned and create a new user id and pm Sentry or WF and see what they say.
[Off-topic] jwzg:
Next thing you know, we'll be asking you to change your sig.

PS: I like it. ;)
[Off-topic] whozethere:
sounds familiar . . .

Yes, the SIM Card & network compatibility issue is a frequent answer in this area. One DJ even called an engineer since when people with an at&t wireless phone would call, he knew what network they were on due to "network" problems. People were directed to take their phones back and trade up for a new 3G card.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Tool

BrianfromNO

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And all of those were incomplete or Beta ROMs. HTC has to prepare the base ROM, and then separate flavors for each carrier with carrier-specific programs. AT&T included a fair amount of bloat in their last WM5 upgrade (MobiTV, CV, XM Radio Mobile). HTC just released the final TyTN ROM within the last month.

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mdhensley5 wrote:

Good grief! What's taking AT&T so long? Unofficial WM6 ROMs for the 8125 and 8525 have been available for at least 6 months or more. If the people at XDA can get these ROMS ready and working, why can't AT&T? I agree with some of the other opinions saying that AT&T isn't releasing the upgrade so that they can "push" people to upgrade to newer phones that come with WM6 pre-installed. Money, money, money. Whatever happened to being loyal to your customers?
[Off-topic] shogunmark:
If it makes anyone else feel better i was banned out of the blue a while back... It might have had something with me being a mod here and not hiding the fact that i was.. or it could have something to do with a thread that some of us were outspoken on about the poor moderation...
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Tool Part II

BrianfromNO

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Right. AT&T said they would provide an upgrade in 3Q2007. We're just shy of 2/3 through the third quarter of the year. People are frothing at the mouth because AT&T is "holding the update back". Now, if it were September 30 and there was still no ROM and no updated release date from AT&T, I think people might be justified in their anger. Until then, the naysayers should have a Coke and a smile and relax.

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mdhensley5 wrote:

OK, there have been several comments that AT&T was not obligated to give us the WM6 upgrade. So what? They said they would. Nobody made them say they would give us the upgrade. They volunteered. That's the point. Now, if they back out, who's the punk? Answer - AT&T.

Furthermore, maybe AT&T should hire the XDA guys so that they can get a stable WM6 ROM out to us before Q4. Props to XDA.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Who's the tool?

What's with your unhealthy obsession with me?
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Yes, the answer is "C" :D
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Obsessed loser, Pt. Deux

The update was a little over a month late. AT&T shot themselves in the foot by not communicating with their users, but it's been obvious that their customer service organization has been broken for a long time.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
:eek: Oh no you didn't?!?!? Yep, they don't take criticism to well over there. Now if you’re in to brown nosing, well then, you would fit right in. You might even be invited in to their new secret hide out, where you all could talk about the common folk. :D

I think I remember when it happened too. Seems like one of your last posts was telling others you had it over there and to come here if they needed your help.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
:eek: Yikes! I did a search of your user name and saw that all the threads were locked! I never visit the boards that I don't know anything about, so I never knew there was so much going on over there! :eek: Now you know that as a Moderator you should have sympathy and compassion for other Mods! :)
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
That's a lie

BrianfromNO

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You won't get banned for mentioning XDA. What will get you in trouble relative to XDA is linking to a particular thread or forum that contains illegal software (i.e., cooked ROMs). XDA is a great resource, particularly for those who don't have carrier branded phones. That said, the owners of the site found themselves in a little brouhaha with Microsoft over the fact that they were hosting illegal software. They pulled it all down, but now they still link to site where said software can be downloaded. What really started the trouble was that someone who works for AT&T in some capacity leaked an early (beta?) version of the AT&T ROM 3 or 4 months ago, and that ROM wound up on the XDA site. The mods here found themselves in the uncomfortable position of having to take a hard line against people in this forum linking over to discussions of the leaked ROM in that site. Now that the official ROM is out, XDA is no longer the "web site that cannot be mentioned". Of course, discussing some cooked variant of a ROM over there will probably still earn you a one-way ticket to Banville.

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WhoopyDoo4U wrote:

While I tend to read a lot of the forums I don't generally make many posts. I guess I don't have much to contribute. I've been reading about the drama that is going on behind the scenes here and that is quite interesting in it's self. What really intrigues me is it also seems that the XDA site is very taboo to the mods here. I have read many a thread over there for the last 6 months and I am having trouble getting a grip on why the mods don't like that site. That place looks like it has many a peoples with very bright ideas. Could some of you moderators clue me in on why one shouldn't talk about that place? I hope I don't get banned for even asking.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Tooltime Brian

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Cooked software = illegal software. If AT&T allowed discussion of illegal software on this site, it could open them up to liability and threaten the partnerships they have with Microsoft and the phone manufacturers.

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WhoopyDoo4U wrote:

But why would talking about or linking to a cooked variant get you banned here? This is all speculation tho on our part. To bad this site doesn't have knowledgeable moderators that can answer questions. I figured this being a company owned site, it would have employees that along with knowledge of equipment, service, and rules of this place, could also answer question related to such. One such site is the Spb Software forum. While there are peer to peer help, there is also moderators that know the products and provide valueable answers. Enough of that tho, I just get the feeling from all the reading I done that there is stigma attached to xda by the mods here. I guess that is something they won't answer. Thank you all for your imput.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Keep reading on down in that thread you're linking to/quoting. It REALLY gets interesting and the AT&T mods have now been called out to make a formal stance on the subject of xda.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Very interesting! Here's the link to the whole thread.

When I was banned, there was nothing in the guidelines saying that you couldn't even mention XDA. I did not post a link to any ROMs over here.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Here's another interesting thread over there.

BTW, what's that about riding a goat? :confused:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
OK, now this is ticking my off.... you guys posting links I can't get into. :mad:

Riding a goat? What has the at&t forum turned into?!?
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
tools, tools, everywhere at tool. ;)
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Douche time

Sorry, I ain't buying it. If your little 5x5 pictogram representation of XDA was the reason you were banned, you probably deserved it. You're like those asshats who walked into stores in New Orleans after Katrina after the windows were already broken and rationalized it since they didn't "break in".

You were another of the miscreants after yet another WM6 thread went badly off the rails (with one asshat posting "T-Mo's great! AT&T sucks!", and another one posting pictures of old men having sex or something to the effect), and you got caught.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Am I wrong?

Did this very site not get into a little brouhaha with Microsoft for hosting cooked ROMs? I wouldn't expect to have been able to discuss leaked versions of the Leopard Beta on the Apple site discussions, and I don't expect AT&T to allow discussion of leaked versions of their (or any of HTC's ROMs) on their site.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Can anyone provide me with evidence that I posted a link to any of the ROMs over here? No, you can't because it never happened. That's what the guidelines at that time were specific about - posting links to unofficial ROMs. I was banned because I had the nerve to tell someone that "google is your friend" and then mention XDA. That's all it took. Sentry and Tashina are on a power trip and have no sense of humor. :cool:

If I remember correctly, mdhensley5 was banned before the ill-fated 2nd thread was even started. I had nothing to do with that.

Seriously, I don't care what a "tool" thinks. As Haighter said at the AT&T forum, that's a hamburger beside your name, not an AT&T globe. :D
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I can't advocate members posting the above highlighted. That IS disruptive and they should be banned. There is nothing good that can come from it. It is childish, even beyond what I'm willing to be. :p

As for mdhensley5, posting a pictograph of XDA may not been appropriate, but it didn't deserve a one way ticket to Bannvile. I've seen far worse offensives committed and either the post was deleted, and or warned about it. His banning over it is just another indicator of the mods attitude toward XDA.

This whole situation is a product of the heavy handed moderation of Sentry. Even the posting of the above content you mentioned. It represents the frustration that members have with his dictatorship.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
It's all a matter of context, GW. In an ordinary thread, what mdhensley did wouldn't have earned her a ticket to banville. In the context of a thread that was rapidly turning into the virtual equivalent of a riot, the mods stepped in like riot police and dispatched anyone they caught offending. It's unfortunate, but it's called collateral damage.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Your actions speak differently.

For someone who has ostensibly put me on ignore in this forum and who says she doesn't care what I think, you seem to have an unnatural interest in what I say.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
What you say is true, but I want to stress my point again. Why does so much discontent, chaos, and "rioting" taking place over there? Again, I say it has to do with the moderation, which is directly linked to Sentry. Put someone like G8Keeper back in place, or someone who had the same class as mod.moose, those problems will just about all go away.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
What I'm personally waiting for is an "official" answer to this post in the Members' forum over there.

And, the AT&T forum members have had all weekend to read what the links are all about. Anyone in their right mind would wonder why people are being banned on even MENTIONING xda after seeing what those links hold.

Looks to me like the AT&T mods have some damage control to do in order to "save face" in the community. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen. . . :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Exactly. That thread disintegrated because of heavy handed moderation and the fact that the upgrade was over a week late (Q3 207). The customers were getting no official explanations of why the upgrade was not released on time or when it might come out. When tempers are flying, you need someone that can step in and calm things down without making the situation worse. Mods and tools on a power trip are not going to be able to do that.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Sentry on reasons for banning someone

Sentry is quite clear on this - no links or PMs to unofficial ROMs. There's nothing about just mentioning XDA.

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Quite a few threads about WM6 and they'll be closed today. If you want to discuss rumors about its release or a timeframe for its availability, please take advantage of this thread for that purpose.

Unless we release a public statement to our customers, the moderators of this forum will not discuss WM6 in any shape or form other than to advise you that HTC manufacture's the 8525 and Microsoft develops the Windows OS platform. This means that any questions you have as of now should be directed to the other parties involved in the software's release.

And remember that our Guidelines forbid users from offering links to software from sites other than the first-party (i.e. HTC or Microsoft). Unless you have a link directly the first-party websites operated by HTC or Microsoft for the WM6 OS update, do NOT post any links here. Do NOT send PMs with a link to a third-party site offering the software update. Users who don't follow this will be banned from this forum.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Ditto! They could have handle all those threads differently. Sentry's way is to beat people into submission. That will only work in the short term. After that... the rioting starts. Also my participation in this thread is a result of his and WF's actions, and they had the power to prevent that too.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
I'll agree & disagree with you. I'll agree that the moderation at times is just this side of the Spanish Inquisition. I'll disagree with you on a couple of points. The real fault for this lies far above the heads of the AT&T-employed moderators. If someone responsible for managing the ROM development had chimed in and said, "OK guys and gals, the update will be late", much of this might have been avoided. That's also a potential minefield because at that point any new target date you say becomes a "line in the sand". You'd get the same collection of asshats talking about the BBB and the FTC and the FCC and class-action lawsuits. Sorry, but I don't take all this that seriously. The update came when the update came. It was a month late. It could have been worse. After watching 9/11 unfold on TV and living through Hurricane Katrina, I'm just not going to get that worked up over an update for a phone being late.

I'm not saying I feel sorry for the mods, but they were placed in a bad situation. They were the public face of the company, and they were placed in a position to take abuse and have to enforce increasingly draconian guidance on what could and could not be discussed. That said, I don't work for AT&T and I don't know how good or bad their internal lines of communication are. From my perspective as a longtime customer of theirs, I'd have to guess that their internal communication is very, very poor.