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[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] SiAmaze:
Sorry if this is a double post, but is anyone else hearing very low levels of sound from the upper speakers of the phone? If yes, and I hope so, cuz then there will be a solution to this, please help me. Thanks!
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] schmeggy929:
I was wondering this as well. With all three having EQ's. Which app is primary EQ a

while the other two are off. Im using am3d zirene ver 1.1. only. Never liked V4A honestly I could never get it right for CAR BT audio. I know I can try different combo's but with 3 apps the combination is vast.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
Flashing Viper4A_Universal_v2.1.zip and AM3DZirene_r1.1.zip will give you V4A 2.4.0.1 and the AM3D Zirene EQ app.

I don't use the EQ in either of those apps, sticking to the BoomSound toggle being left on. Depending on your music, you may be able to leave the personalized profile on. But in my case it caused distortion so I turned it off.

Under the AM3D app, for Bluetooth I use: HK Onyx profile, Processing On, EQ Off. For my wired Skullcandy in-ear headphones I use: In-Ear profile, Processing On, Bass slider Med, EQ Off.

I primarily use V4A to boost the volume output of BT (Android Auto) and the phone speakers themselves. I don't use it for anything else.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] tailor999:
Hi, I cannot seem to find the profiles for by and headset even when plugged in on AM 3d. I do not have any options apart from headset...no profiles?Am I doing something wrong?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] linx1287:
Been using ARISE on my note 3 and now HTC 10 and i am glad that it makes a difference to the 10 just like it did on the hlte. The recent RC6 and 7 are just masterpieces
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
I spent a few hours today testing several different V4A packages and think I finally found a winner. It does break BoomSound, but I was able to get better than stock sound with a combo of IRS, Viper Bass, Clarity, and some others.

The zip I flashed also has Dolby, but I turned it off as it wasn't needed.

(It's my work phone. Don't worry, still Android at heart)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] gauravbhawsar:
Kindly share the link...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] napkun:
Does anyone use their HTC 10 to drive higher impedance headphones/IEMs? If so, what impedance are they and do they sound good? I'm looking into purchasing a pair of Mee Pinnacle P1s but I'm not sure if the phone can properly drive them
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
What's the impedance? It's well capable of driving anything below 100

Edit: 50? That's not really that high, especially considering HTCs hi-res buds are 40 you shouldn't have any problems.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Freak07:
My beyerdynamics have 250 ohm and they get quite loud :)

Not as loud as to wreck my ears but I suppose that’s a good thing.

Alternatively look into buying a small amplifier from fiio. They are quite good mobile wise.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vancecwtan:
I have an R70x which is 470 ohms impedance. Can get quite loud. Not as loud as my STXII can get but much louder than any pc onboard or phone can produce. I'm guessing the HTC 10 is good for headphones of 200 ohms and below.

Let's assume my R70x has a max of 10/10 volume. While my pc and older phone gives me 2/10 of the volume(you can never feel it being loud even at max volume), the HTC 10 gives me 5/10 volume(at max volume I'll think it's a little loud and noisy, sign of weak amp) and finally the Asus Xonar STXII gives 10/10 volume which can be ear shattering to me at 30 to 40% volume depending on the music/song.

Not sure if you guys already know but the HTC 10 is using Qualcomm DAC/amp called the Aqstic which is also featured in Xiaomi Mi5.

Link https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2016/06/02/qualcomm-aqstic-sets-new-standard-audiophiles
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
How do people find the 10 compared to the M8? (With headphones)
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
140% ?

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] ExMM:
I'll add another 50% for me :D
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] high_voltage:
And what about the speakers quality for youtube/twitch/music compared to M8? :o
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Now listening to the music on external speakers is different.. ?

We're not holding the hTc 10 smartphone in front of out face as m8 before - but simply keeping it somewhere around on the table with its bottom woofer facing towards the listener (you).. ?

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] high_voltage:
That won't work that great if you watch youtube video in landscape, no?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
I'm holding it in my right hand so the handheld is lying on the small finger whilst the index rests on top of it preventing from falling down.. then palm forms some concave curvature which directs the woofer audio towards my face.. ?

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
After playing with the 10 in store and directly comparing to the M8 with the same songs on YouTube. The M8 has more volume and stronger bass. The 10 was clearer, more detailed, more refined and generally more engaging. This was using music mode in portrait. I'd say the 10 has the higher quality speakers by a mile if not more and the volume isn't that much less than the M8.

I'll take that as 140% better :D Might have to pull the trigger, phone is primary music player for me and while the M8 has been good, it can be better .
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Preinstalled Google Music is rubbish.. You'll have to install Neutron (I posted its right settings a few pages back) and then hTc 10 audio experience is just mind blowing.. ???

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
I've tried Neutron in the past, cannot stand its interface. Been using Black Player recently in my attempts to find something I like since HTC Music isn't included on the 10. :/
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vancecwtan:
You can side load the HTC Music app. That's what I do with my 10.

Link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3371688

Sent from my Glacier 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
HTC 10 has its music audio potential what won't be fully unleashed and utilized by hTc Music player or Black player or PowerAmp..

So you have to get comfortable with the Neutron:

Headphones settings are here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jzcoduyqz8pk2jp/hTc_10_Musik_with_Headphones.zip?dl=0

And for the external speakers music experience you'll have to swipe to the right upon the forward backward and buttons, and clear red dots for Crossfeed and Dither - also enabling that Audio profile of Boomsound.. ??

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
What about using the built in Google music player... If we don't want EQ settings
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Cannot figure out something worse than Google Music player in terms of audio quality... ?

P.S. Neither use I EQ in Neutron nor recommend that..

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] vancecwtan:
Hi bro, have you tried the UAPP app? Does it work as an internal player or do people use it solely to output to external DAC?

Sent from my Glacier 10
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
So what do u recommend for pure uncolored sound quality without any EQ.. To be played with high end headphones
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qualitymove13:
Is there a way to play cached music that has been saved from Google Music on the Neutron player? TIA
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
I have 12 GB data per month and 200 GB ext SD card packed with FLAC ? I might be a wrong person to talk to about Google cashed music... ?

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qualitymove13:
Haha. Understandable, but not everyone is as lucky. Maybe someone else can chime in....
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] threetwentyfizzle:
What makes Neutron superior as a music player? Thought that the audio output on this device is primarily done via the hardware...

My impressions, having owned the M7, & M8, is that this phone sounds fantastic right "out of the box". And I am one that has used Zeroinfinity's sound mods stacked with V4A on top of HK to achieve the audio sound results I was looking for in the past.

On the 10, that's not so much the case anymore. I'm perfectly happy with the stock profiles and the tunable EQ to Calibrate to the headphones/speakers to sound right.

Please someone chime in if my perception is wrong, but I have no need to use V4A on this device, as I don't want to conflict with the Native High-Res audio output
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Installing Neutron and setting it following the provided screenshots and simply hear the difference (or not hear it) would take 10 minutes from you..

Hmm, but instead someone's supposed to write and to explain and to convince you..? ??

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
Most likely not with out extra steps to pirate the music.

Most streaming services like Spotify DRM-encrypt cached or stored offline music to prevent piracy.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] qualitymove13:
Ahhh! Let me clarify though. Its all my own downloaded music that I subsequently uploaded to Google Play Music and then deleted on my computer to save space. Does that make it any more viable an option to play on an external player such as this Neutron?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
I don't know much about Google music but I would assume it should be possible since it is your music. I also don't use neutron lol. But being a stand alone music player I'm guessing you'd need to download the mp3 files to your sdcard in order to play them
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] NotATreoFan:
Any music cached through Play Music will still be protected. You could use the web interface to download the music and then copy it to an SD card in the phone, but that would be the only way to use those files in another app.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jsaxon2:
Check out Music Mate from the play store and you can download the files on your phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jhericurls:
What headphones are you using?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
Got the phone. So far it impresses me, better than the M8 on headphones. Not sure what I make of the dolby boomsound but it doesn't bother me (yet) and it's far better than the crap on the M8. I'll get a better idea when plug my phone into my car tomorrow, need to see how dolby boomsound handles max volume.

Been messing with the sound profiles. I decided to answer all the questions by listening equally in order to get a flat EQ. After doing this, despite the original and enhanced curves being different (as seen in the picture) I was unable to hear a difference with 3 pairs of headphones. Can anyone else confirm this?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
Hi Res

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
Model like Sennheiser momentum etc?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rioter_78:
I think he talk about headphones from the box of HTC 10.

I am using ATH-IM03 at 60-80% volume (depends on music and environment) with Poweramp 3 Alpha and Neutron.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
So which player you like the sound quality of... Without the use of EQ etc
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rioter_78:
Can't decide. I even try sometimes Foobar2000 but dat terrible interface...

Poweramp with 192 KHz output produce more soft sound but output errors (need to restart output manually) as well. Neutron is more engaging, but I have my doubts about hidden eq cause 10% more loud and little more bassy.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] saj2001ind:
For me the built in play music without any EQ gives uncolored sound... I have a few high end headphones like Sennheiser momentum, bose, v moda and dedicated fiio player... For me play music works best for lossless files
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
Yes I've done this, when setting every tone to minimum the resulting frequency response graph appears different than original, but sounds identical. This is reassuring that no extra volume/bass enhancements are happening. But also proves those graphs aren't accurate.

I'm not totally sold on the quality from audio profiles. When using the tones the way your suppose to, (setting each one equally faint in a quiet environment) I feel like I loose a good amount of instrument separation and soundstage. This might just be the EQ fighting my headphones which have a very colored / v shaped sound sig.

The Dolby, when set to other, I like a lot. It seems to make the sound a bit more open, airy and louder. I've been using just Dolby no audio profiles and I absolutely love the sound quality from this thing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] notJustSomeGuy:
I'm not sold the profiles either, mostly because I don't have an issue with the sound signature of my headphones (and I'd forget to change it).

After having more of chance to play with it, and use the 10 in my car (aftermarket audio system). The 10 is a lot better sounding than the M8. Bass is no longer boomy in my car with the 10, I might actually have to increase the gain on the sub now :p Rock/metal music now sounds awesome without cranking the volume (and sounds even more awesome with the volume cranked!)

The dolby seems to actually be good and improve the sound without being intrusive. It also doesn't seem to clip at max volume which is a BIG issue I had with M8 boomsound.

A strange issue I did encounter though. NFC causes interference on the headphone jack but only with the 10 and only when connected to my car.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] DJ 1:
Yeah in car is one of the ways I wanna use my m10 Connected in car via 3.5mm Jack feeding car stereo, flac from SD card etc. Won't be using eq on car-stereo as not great but hope for decent music player app to do that side of it.

Does anyone know the best music player apps that can use the dac ? Also have good eq options etc.?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cavist:
Im using BlackPlayer EX, very happy with it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] 3165dwayne:
we know that google play music does utilize the htc 10dac. how do we know that neutron does the same?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jauhien:
As we understand you are able to read and you are able to type, when on the other hand the above mentioned Neutron is an Android music player for audiophiles (i.e. customers who are able to distinguish the quality of audio, and who heavily appreciate those unnoticeable for you differences), hence Neutron is simply not needed for you as you are never to experience those things what audiophiles are seeking from Neutron and happy to pay $$ when indeed there's the pre-installed free Google Music which, you read and in this way know, uses DAC.

Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] cavist:
Why you ask about player that uses DAC?

Without built in dac, you would not hear the sound from speakers or jack output. That is the purpose of digital-to-analog converter.

Saying that one software is using DAC and the other do not is a mistake. DAC converts audio on the physical level in the phone.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Stephen:
Good audio comparison here, between the 10 and Nexus 6p. Basicly he is saying sound is louder on 6p, but much tinier and not as good quality as on the 10.

[YOUTUBE]01fy0qXEJnY[/YOUTUBE]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] madcowintucson:
HTC needs to say what dac it's using. I doubt it's anything special because it would have said if it was ESS OR something. Just like s7 suppossedly has this great 24bit dac but no one is raving about how good it sounds. I tried s7 and it was ok but not like my v10. Best sound I have so far is v10 with Dolby and v4a with hifi dac always in playing through my Klipsch ear buds.

Dolby and v4a is a must. I get my old note 4 and give a listen and it sounds pretty decent with Dolby and v4a so I expect any lackluster phone dac sound can be improved with some signal processing.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] lagittaja:
It's probably the SD820 bone stock WCD9335, which is what the SD820 S7/S7E also have.

Also I agree, if it would be something special, they'd more than like be advertising it.

But DAC itself isn't everything, there's other parts in the signal path which affect the final sound.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
In this video, she explains that HTC worked directly with Qualcomm to remove anything that may interfere with the quality of the headphone output.

https://youtu.be/qN4d-s5cvn4?t=8m52s

The 820 DAC is plenty capable, it's the other pieces of the puzzle where most phone manufacturers fall short. Qualcomm says the 820 does 24 bit/192kHz playback.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] madcowintucson:
That video link is broken. Well in May I'll go into the store and check it.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Don't know what I should change since that link works on mobile Chrome, the XDA app, and my PC. :confused:

Here's another video of the speakers' sound quality. A nice, clean and full (for a phone) sound.

https://youtu.be/FXWD20FjdLk?t=6m56s
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
Hi guys,

An extract from HTC customer services. I was trying to get a few things confirmed but unfortunately I didn't really get much info:

Ravi: Hi, I was wondering what DAC is used in the new HTC 10? Is it supplied from a 3rd party or the one that comes in built in the Qualcomm processor?

Bo: I am very sorry but I don't have that information yet.

Ravi: Also, is the 3.5mm audio connector AHJ or OMTP type?

Bo: Unfortunately, it is the same reply as above. I don't have any confirmed information yet.

If anyone else is on to Customer Services, it might be worth an ask to see if they get hold of someone else who has this information??
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Locklear308:
Agreed... really need to see and hear some tests.

---------- Post added at 06:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:22 PM ----------

What we should do... is get a great quality track with high dynamic range, get a screenshot of the wavefoam in audacity. Then put the song on the phone, and use it's headphone jack as an input to record the song from the phone, then take the file into audacity and compare it. We could then see the dynamic range, if it is altered (which would be weird) , and also look at the frequency range.

I would totally do this if I had one as I have a good audio setup for ripping analogically.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
When your unit does come, would you be able to do this test and post the results of your analysis back here?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] Locklear308:
Absolutely. I think I will do some testing with my OnePlus one to see how it compares.

Still trying to convince myself to spend that 599.99. That's a difficult pill to swallow.... Lol
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
When it comes to deciding on a phone for 2016 I would say there are 3 options.

1) HTC 10: best for sound, micro SD card with adoptable storage, beastly power and great development community and its almost here, lastly its should have second quickest new android support (15 days if following A9).

2) OnePlus 3: Cost, great development community, not too long to wait.

3) Nexus 2016: cost, great development community quickest updates for new versions of Android.

Personally I am going for the HTC 10 as audio is important for me, I hate my lg g4 so don't want to wait and development for the rom is a must in my books. If I could wait I would still go for OnePlus 3 as it should be cheaper but still have great development and an SD card. Wouldnt want to wait for the nexus without its SD card though the development support would be awesome.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] joshuadjohnson22:
lol I'm sorry but any comparison with the name "OnePlus" on it should never have "not too long to wait". OnePlus ALWAYS has a long wait. Sometimes up to 6-8 months AFTER launch. lol Other points are good though. But with one plus you have to win the lotto to pay full price for the phone then you have to wait for updates... I'll pass....

Their slogan should be "We WILL make you wait, we promise"
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
Lol, I can see that. When I was referencing the wait time, I meant the phone being supposedly released by the end of June. If it is late, I still imagine it will be out before the next Nexus phones.

I'm hopefully however based on some recent statements that their software updates will start being a lot sooner. I've never owned a OnePlus though so I haven't lived through that pain...
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] joshuadjohnson22:
lol yeah, I've tried to order from them before... it's best to go with another device. They were hot stuff back when they were the only good affordable phone, now that the nexus devices and Motorola are affordable... just don't put yourself through that pain. Their support is non-existent so if you have an issue with your device it could take forever to get it replaced. Yeah, just don't do it unless it is like 200 dollars or the phone is something special.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Took this screenshot from the Pocketnow HTC 10 vs. LG G5 comparison. Phenomenal numbers. Waiting to see GSMArena's measurements now.

https://youtu.be/wrWo8sXp1a4

[YOUTUBE]wrWo8sXp1a4[/YOUTUBE]
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
It will be interesting for sure.

I didn't know about the V10's prowess for audio before reading up on the 10 and people have been comparing it.

I think we should also look out for comparisons to the g5 with the b&o play DAC added on. I can't remember where I read, but I saw that the g5 with the module might sound better (at least in some circumstances).
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] madcowintucson:
I read a recent review that says the htc has less headphone voltage out than the iPhone 6 and it also measured lower in most areas than other phones. These reviews are so inconsistent its outrageous.

I have the v10 and high dad rocks. The tests above do not say if the high dac was active or not this we need to know for sure. Some of the best audio I had was Bluetooth aptx to soundblaster E5. That's why I want to know if htc enabled aptxhd support because there is no mention. Soon as it hits the stores I'll take my headphones and try to get an impression on headphone audio vs my v10.
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] JLowe:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-10-Review_id4193/page/3
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] jkforce:
Okay so found this on androicentral - http://www.androidcentral.com/look-lg-g5s-bo-audio-module, comparing LG G5 with Hifi Plus Module with regular LG G5 and V10. I don't know what those numbers mean, can someone tell me what they mean compared to HTC 10 numbers showing in the previous post?
[HTC 10 Guides, News, & Discussion] mosincredible:
Well, these numbers came from 2 different publications but the results are similar. The extreme basic interpretation of the numbers is that the 10 has a louder, cleaner, and flatter output than the G5 by far and also better than the V10 and B&O Module. Depending on how much reading you want to do, Anandtech has a great article on measuring smartphone audio which tells you the meaning behind all the numbers you see.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7567/smartphone-audio-quality-testing/2

Edit: The basics of what you want...

Frequency Response as close to +0.0, -0.0 as possible (flatter signal), Higher Noise Level dB (louder without noise), Higher Dynamic Range dB (bigger difference between the quietest sound and the loudest), Lower THD dB (less distortion), Lower Intermodulation Distortion dB (less distortion), Higher Stereo Crosstalk dB (Reduced left/right signal creeping into the other)