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[Off-topic] GWelker62:
It is at a point they will not let you talk about WM6 at all. Even the release of the "official" rom is forbiden. As far as MM, she is only doing what she is told to do. She is like Scotty on the Enterprise, and she is doing what Captian Jerk commands. I don't think this is so much an at&t policy, it is a demonstration of Darth **** (Sentry) on a power trip. To bad there isn't a complaint department for their forums.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Maybe it's time to post Jonathan's phone number/contact info on here so EVERYONE voices their complaints and they see that this is a widespread problem involving more than just a VCM "trouble maker". :D
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Yesterday, I got a warning for saying "google is your friend - use the force, Luke" to someone who was inquiring about unofficial ROMs. It used to be that you couldn't provide links, now I guess hints are also verboten.

Is there a set number of warnings before a person is banned?

Also, what's the deal on Tashina?
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Tashina is a new Lithium moderator. She hasn't been around long enough to know about the "power trip" the Twin Turds are on. The jury is still out on here in my book though. . . on whether she's also just following orders, or whether she's out to make a name for herself. :rolleyes:

As far as referencing Google, that's complete hogwash!! In the past, we could refer people to Google. I had done it on NUMEROUS occasions and never a word was said -- that is, until I was kicked out of the VCM. Now, everything I post is scrutinized with a magnifying glass.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
FROM: tashina Add User to Friends List · Add User to Ignore List

SENT: 10-25-2007 06:18:45 PM

Warning - Giving directions to find unofficial ROMs

Re: "Google is your friend. Use the force, Luke! "

It's not clear to me whether you meant to Google to find the unofficial ROM or google to find the meaning of "cooked".

Please see this post:

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=57770
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Then -- in keeping with that policy, you might want to point out that a Google search for WM6 results in the first two direct links being to the HTC Mobile forums. Since HTC is a first-party site, there was no reason for the warning. Additionally, there are also NUMEROUS links to news articles regarding it being made available for other devices and even reviews on WM6 by the tech magazines and websites. (The fact that there are also links to UNofficial ROMs is beyond your control).
[Off-topic] nvisi0n:
I seem to be one of the only ones that has an 8252 box that states "Windows Mobile 6 Upgrade coming in 2007" For this is the reason I will be getting my money back with the help of my state's AG once 07 passes and wm6 isn't officially released.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Your not the only one. I just bought a couple of 8525s off the Premier web site and they had this stated on the box. There holding out for some reason they don't want to give out. That's why even speculation of the release date is now taboo over there. It's funny how you can't talk about "cooked" roms because they are not supported by at&t, but all the reg hacking is ok to talk about.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
If you look at the 8525 page on the ATT site, they still have upgrade available in Q3 2007. You could use that with the BBB to file a false advertising complaint. I did and now I'm using a shiny new Tilt. :D I got to return my 3 month old refurbed 8525 that I paid $199 for and was sent a new Tilt for $100. You may be able to negotiate a better deal.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Yep, when Crossbow came out there was a lot of talk about it, but no links made that stuck. But there was plenty of talk on how to "search" for it. Maybe someone should dig those old threads up. :D

But again I will say I understand at&t's stand on posting links to roms other than their own, but banning any talk about it is taking it a bit too far. It is nothing but another Darth **** power trip.
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
Wow they gave you warning?

All my bans have come without any notification.

How does one go about complaining about the forums to at&t? They don't answer your emails and once your IP is banned you can't even view the site!

There has to be a process to keep the mods in check! And they should have to provide you with the proof of what you have done!

I NEVER LINKED TO XDA NOR TALKED ABOUT WM6 ROMS!
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I suppose I got a warning because the mod wasn't entirely sure why I was telling someone to use google. When I was banned as mdhensley5, I didn't get any warnings, I was just banned. Period. Unlike you, I didn't even get an explanation on the page telling me that I was banned. But, I guess I deserved it since I was taunting them with a graphic of XDA that was approximately 3" by 3". LOL!
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
If anybody wants to complain about the mods on the att forums, PM me. I have a contact with in at&t's department to call. I won't post it in a public forum, but I will give it out to individuals that want it.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
LOL! I guess they banned my IP this time. I can't get on with any of my user names.
[Off-topic] whozethere:
do we still believe?

The WM6 upgrade is coming?

I think at&t is reacting to all the posturing and threats of a class action suit and threats of loss of business.

at&t needs to make a statement such as "the WM6 upgrade so it is going to be longer than we initially anticipated. We will not release an upgrade before it's ready. Please be patient and understand we want to deliver a quality product for your phone." Instead, they have chosen to go mum. In my opinion, that makes the fear mongers look like they are right whether they are merely speculating or simply cajoling. IMHO, it does no good to ban the topic and go silent. They really need a good marketing person to handle this fine mess they have backed into on the forum. at&t is their own worst enemy--no offense, none of those posts are a threat to that company. Their constant locking threads and banning people is a bad marketing move.

BTW, go over and peruse some threads. There is a major reference to this site for something other than WM6. I do believe if someone comes here for anything, they will figure out what is available. I don't want to id the thread since so far it has skated by without formal notice. ;)
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I would also recommend writing a letter to Stan Sigman.

http://www.wireless.att.com/about/meet-us/stanley-sigman.jsp

from this form>>>

http://www.wireless.att.com/meet_email?id=stan_sigman

And also anybody else from this page that may look like they could help.

http://www.wireless.att.com/about/meet-us.jsp
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Someone from the forum said that Stan Sigman had stepped down or was stepping down. Now it's someone named Ralph or Randall...something like that.

Found it..

President of AT&T's mobile phone biz retires

Oct 11th 2007 5:59PM

Stan Sigman, the president and chief executive of AT&T's mobile phone business, has announced that it won't be long before he punches his last time card for the carrier. Reportedly, the exec revealed that he would be leaving to enjoy the luxuries of retirement after 42 years with the firm, and it was noted that Ralph de la Vega would be the man appointed to fill those shoes. Apparently, Stan will be staying on board in order to "assist with the transition through the end of the year," and John Stankey, the president of operations support, will take over De la Vega's prior role.

more at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_on_hi_te/at_t_sigman;_ylt=AhfxZG7sCMENOZ0B0v7TitEjtBAF
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
They have dropped the ball big time over there. When the 'old' AT&T was in business, that place was run well, and was full of knowledgeable people wanting to help others... then slowly over time, as Cingular aka the new at&t began to take charge, the good mods (who did more than just lock threads and ban users) began to disappear and were replaced by the current ilk. There is a HUGE opportunity on that site, but under the current leadership (at least as far as the forum goes), it will continue to founder. The current set of mods (as has been reported here and experiences there) are short-sighted, self-serving, power-tripping egomaniacs who want to rule with their proverbial iron fist... but at the rate they are going, they will only have a handful of ass kissers and a plethora of n00bs, trolls and ne'er-do-wells to rule. And the void left by those who were banned for stating that the emperor had no clothes will certainly hasten its ultimate and sure demise.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Looks to me like the two most likely candidates on the "meet-us" page would be the Senior VP of Customer Service and the Chief Marketing Officer - Wireless. The more people that write and let them know what's going on over on their forums, the better the chances are of getting something done. And a quote of what FoneJunkie wrote in the preceeding post would be good to include in any correspondence.

Also, a link to this very thread might make them realize just how much of a problem it is over there.
[Off-topic] TheCritic:
Banned from AT&T's forums!

For, of all things, providing the company's otherwise well-hidden POSTAL address (but found, eventually, on their website) and a list of executives to write to with complaints!

Here's the (quickly locked) thread that got me banned:

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=customercare&thread.id=124898 (requires forum membership to view)

You'll notice an edited message where 'sentry' replaced the info with just the link I'd provided to the Executives' names.

The reply I posted to that edit (with just the address again) is gone without a trace, and if I login as TheCritic I'm immediately redirected to a page that says I'm banned. Keep in mind this also removes my access to their (wonderfully useless) LiveChat support and some other customer service options--not just the *user* forums. Also those forums are the ONLY way to get *informed* help on advanced phones from anything related to ATT/Cingular (even though it's other users helping... NOT ATT).

Where exactly did I violate their TOS? Wasn't even off-topic, had posted in their Customer Support forum asking for an address to complain to then posting that info once I'd found it myself... FCC and FTC must be has toothless as I surmise because they didn't bother to censor those comments.

You know, between the difficulties initially buying an 8525, their promised (Q3 '07) and STILL not out (as of this writing) Windows Mobile 6 upgrade for same, my experience with the store in the post above (store manager wasn't much better, regional manager placated me--but promised to call back with an update that never came. BTW, another SoCal store sold me the phone no problem the weekend after that encounter!) and now this I AM READY TO JOIN A CLASS-ACTION AGAINST AT&T. Make no mistake, "the new AT&T" is the same as it ever was...

And for the record:

AT&T Mobility

Glenridge Highlands Two

5565 Glenridge Connector

Atlanta, GA 30342

AT&T Inc. Headquarters

AT&T Inc.

175 E. Houston St.

San Antonio, TX 78205

1-800-331-0500

Stanley T. Sigman

President and Chief Executive Officer-AT&T Mobility

Kathleen L. Dowling

Senior Vice President-Customer Service

Paul R. Roth

President-Sales and Marketing

Larry Carter

Senior Vice President-Sales Operations

Kent Mathy

President-Business Markets Group

Randall Stephenson

CEO, AT&T
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Guess who?

Is the Tilt CID locked, or is it not? Look, guys, some of the mods are right toolboxes. The n00bs will eventually find their way; if they don't, that's not my problem. The law has spoken on the AT&T forum; if I want to discuss something that's outside the boundaries of what we can discuss there, I come here.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
Although I found it pretty funny (and responded as such), your joke that I was doing coke was probably a bit over the line. I requested the name change because one of my company executives found some posts of mine on the AT&T forum (he's considering an iPhone after I talked him into buying an iMac). I'd rather not be that visible, especially considering how easy it is to Google a username. And Sentry doesn't protect me from ****. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I have no corporate ties to AT&T. In fact, anyone who is an AT&T employee can tell you that my account is flagged because of past bad behavior in AT&T stores and on the phone with AT&T reps.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Hmm...there must be an ignore button in here somewhere. Yes, there it is. :cool:
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Now I know

I noticed that you disappeared. :eek: I always thought that you were helpful and had my back. This is very informative.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Die Hard, reboot your DSL or cable modem and it might just give you a different IP address. Then, register with another user name. Easy as pie :D
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I tried to have a lot of folks back... but eventually the turd twins stabbed me in mine.
[Off-topic] bgflores:
You might just want to leave your DSL or cable modem off for 15-30 minutes when you do so. In my experience with big cable/DSL providers, if I did a quick power cycle I usually wound up with the same IP address.
[Off-topic] TheCritic:
I don't think this is really *that* off topic... especially since it concerns buying smartphones from the main US supplier...
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Welcome to THE CLUB. :cool:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Someone needs to tell Senturd to slow down on the banning. Our "little" club is growing fast. :D
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Sounds like he had to do something to let people vent/talk about the ever so late WM6. Locking threads and more or less telling people to shut up about it will cause nothing but outrage. Just another example showing he is unfit to moderate the forum.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Yeah, it's a small world, eh? It almost looks like they are TRYING to shut the place down...
[Off-topic] newbie2:
And, to quote FoneJunkie from another thread, if it continues over there the way it's going, there will be nothing left to moderate. No forums = No moderators = No Jobs!! Now, wouldn't THAT be just peachy!?!?!? :D
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Lithium has an opening for a p/t moderator. Anyone interested? :p
[Off-topic] :
No, just trying to shutdown discussion.:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Not if I'd be taking orders from the Twin Turds. . . :(
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Strange . . . I thought that's what forums were for. :D :rolleyes: :p
[Off-topic] Paolo01:
Amazing

Holy crud!!! This is amazing. GWelker, Jamie, all of you guys, I have been wondering where you had disappeared to. I thought that you might bedeployed like I am. What on earth is going on? I have been following the at&t forum from afar as I really do not have reliable computer access, I have not been getting into the hotter debates. I suppose I would be banned by now if I had. Is RonAnnarbor here as well :-) So is this the new gathering ground. I have not been here in quite a while, but I got a PM from RETIREDnFL. I had never heard of him before? I'll start trying to put two and two together. Well, it is time to start researching again and find out what is going on. I was never in the secret club, but I still maintained that I was sabataged a long time ago and never got promoted like the other forum members after I told several new users to use the search function. Oh well. :) Good to hear from you guys again. We need a roll call with old user names and new ones for those that have changed.
[Off-topic] Haighter:
Yea, but did you notice that there's a TouchFlo thread that has a direct link to XDA? Maybe it is more about WHO posts rather than WHAT is posted...
[Off-topic] Haighter:
What I love is that I've had posts 86ed without notice (as most users do), while some users apparently are given the option to edit their post in lieu of having it removed. Guess my nose is not quite brown enough...
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Hey Haighter! The mods must not be on the job today. Someone in the WM6 thread just posted that an AT&T WM6 ROM for the 8525 was for sale on Ebay. I wonder if that person just bought a "ticket to banville"?
[Off-topic] newbie2:
Oh, I'm sure one of the brown-nosers will take care of THAT post pretty quickly. :(
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Yep, it took then almost 2 hours, but they finally killed it.
[Off-topic] Haighter:
C'mon, give the mods at at&t a break! They had a busy week killing threads, banning users, removing posts... Even God had to take Sunday off!
[Off-topic] newbie2:
You'd be referring to the Twin Turds there. They only work M-F during "business hours". The Lithium mods take over "after hours" and on the weekends.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well, to sum it up in a nut shell, I, along with some others got banned because of a personal vendetta by Wireless Foreskin and Senturd. I broke NONE of the forum rules. Posted NO links to unofficial roms. All I did was express an opinion about having a Spanish language forum, and WF didn't like it. So they found a way to kick me out.

I will tell ya this, they jacked with the wrong person. :cool:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Haven't you heard? The at&t forums have two purposes now. One is, nOOb helping nOOb. The other is brown nosing the Twin Turd Twins. <<<< this one is the only way to move beyound nOOb status on their forum.
[Off-topic] dbloecher:
Well, I just talked to HTC and here is the info they gave me.

AT&T IS the one delaying the release, HTC has the wm6 upgrade for the 8525 complete but AT&T hasn't given them the customized version back, and to top it off, AT&T is most likely delaying the release until they are happy with the 8925 sales.

That is what they said. :mad:
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I hope the extra money they made by not releasing the upgrade for the 8525 before releasing the Tilt will balance out the money they will lose in the long run as unhappy customers switch to other companies. I believe that marketing and customer service have seriously dropped the big, blue ball.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Apparently after having the Valued Community Member forum exposed, AT&T shut it down... in less than a week, it's back as the Community Leader Forum... here's the 'welcome' post...

Welcome to the Community Leader Forum, a private discussion board created solely for members of the publicly-attributed Community Leader title. Here are a few things that you should be aware of about the forum:

The forum’s chief goal is to establish an open line of communication between the moderator staff and the Community Leaders on happenings on the board.

The forum is used to allow Community Leaders to exchange thoughts, ideas and just communicate amongst themselves.

Although it is a relaxed setting for open conversation, the same rules apply to posting in the public forum. Let your hair down and take your shoes off, but be nice to yourself, other Community Leaders, other public forum members and even the moderators!

We have not finalized the manner in which new members of this forum will be handled, but we have already begun serious discussions on this process and will be speak about it with existing Community Leaders in due time as we’re excited about adding new members to this program.

Unfortunately the AT&T moderators are not able to offer trade secrets, advise of upcoming devices or openly discuss a variety of proprietary-restricted subjects with anyone from the forum, including Community Leaders. We will do our best to convey the messages we have available and appreciate your respectful expectations within regard to this matter.

Thank you,

Moderators

Message Edited by Sentry on 10-25-2007 09:22:31 AM
[Off-topic] whozethere:
It's here

Check the HTC America page. It has been released.
[Off-topic] whozethere:
Lions, Tigers and Bears, Oh My!

This should be interesting . . . it wasn't me although I did plant the thought about Sentry overstepping his bounds . . . only one person seemed to really notice. Someone who's interesting choice of a personal profile actually mirrors my professional experience to some degree. Oh My!

And no, I do not do multiple identities. I consistently use whozethere . . . except someone else got this ID on IM and eBay.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Hmm...I do remember a post in the WM6 thread over there referencing Sentry being reported for abuse and he said that HE was in charge of investigating abuse or something very close to that.

Have they got the police policing the police over there? :confused:
[Off-topic] momentarylapseofreason:
Feel lucky they don't drop your service all together...

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Censors-Customers-Negative-Opinions-88010
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
They must still have my IP address blocked, I can't get on the site at all.

As far as the credit?? I have to say two things. If it is someone from here I wouldn't expect them to admit it in an open forum. Two, if it was someone from here, PLEASE PM the rest of us so we can give you a virtual hi 5!!
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I wonder if someone might not have legal recourse in that situation. I mean as long as you are not libeling or slandering AT&T, I would think the Constitution would protect you. But, I'm not a lawyer, only a poor student. :o

Ha! That might not be such a bad thing. Then I could take my Tilt to T-Mobile! ;)
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Nah! I didn't really expect anyone to openly admit to it here. I know there are/have been AT&T spies here.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Sentry on unofficial ROMs

Sentry

Moderator

Posts: 1245

Registered: 05-03-2006

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We can discuss the unofficial ROMs here, we've never had a problem with that - particularly if you're having trouble with it and need to get it fixed.

The problem we've had is when users attempt to point, link or provide information on how to download these pieces of software. They're obviously violations of proprietary rights and they are pirated, sometimes hacked which often serves as a problem unless the user is incredibly tech savy. For this reason, we don't support people linking to these pieces of software, but if you have a problem with it, by all means, come here and attempt to get the problem fixed.

Link

WhoopyDoo4U is now questioning/taunting Sentry about the legality of cooked ROMs.
[Off-topic] whozethere:
Big Brother tactics

I can understand at&t wanting their forum to be a positive reflection on their company. I don't like how things have been handled by at&t or their lackeys. It is however a forum they provide free of charge & they have control.

What I don't understand is how they can extend this control & right to refuse service beyond their forum. Simply publishing a terms of service should not provide them the right to retaliate by canceling service if they view a customer as dissatisfied or disgruntled because they publish their opinion elsewhere on the internet. IF they had a top notch marketing department--they could have handled this entire situation differently and trained the moderators to handle disgruntled posts in a professional manner.
[Off-topic] momentarylapseofreason:
Problem solved...

http://www.youhide.com/
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
Ahh but you see they have changed the TOS ;)

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Changed-TOS-in-Full-88325
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Hiddy Ho!

So this is where you all have went to! If Whoopy hadn't put the link in his/her post I wouldn't have known where you all were hanging out! I'm not employed by at&t nor do I even know what the xda is (don't laugh!) but I wanted to stop in and say Hello! I might get banned after this from the at&t forum, as I'll bet that they are all reading your posts over here. I did apologize in the Spanish thread as I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings (that's just my nature) :p

It was surprising to me that they opened up another secret chamber. :eek: What was wrong with the other one, ya know?! I never understood some of the rules on the banning, like was it temporary or permanent. Guess you all have answered those questions for me! :p

Have a blessed day! OH! And I think it's nice that you are allowed signatures over on this forum! My scripture verse got banned rather quickly! :mad: