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[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I have to agree that there is a lot of animosity there - but IMO, it stems from the heavy-handed and subjective application of the rules by Sentry and WirelessForeman. They regularly carry out their personal vendettas against some members.

Regarding wilcre, yes, you would think that because he is a call center rep that he would have access to more plentiful and more accurate information that the average Joe or Jane... yet when reviewing his posts, it's obvious that he does not use it. His posts are often refuted by the average user with practical experience.

I would say that generally, I am not prone to attacking people either. However, after reading and experiencing so much drivel being foisted on the unsuspecting customers at the at&t forums, it's time some one stood up and yelled "ENOUGH!".

Now, with this post, I have said my piece, and unless personally attacked by anyone, I am through with this thread. Let the facts stand on their own and let the public decide whether the Emperor is truly arrayed in splendor or whether, as may have stated, he simply has no clothes.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
response removed for clarification has been given to what was actually meant.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
I'm not taking sides! :eek: but I REALLY believe that you all

like

or

enjoy

baiting each other. Guess I need to sit back, be quiet, grab some popcorn and just watch! :confused:
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Wow the truth finally comes out in this thread. The AT&T Reps want the forums all alone for them and hate customers making fools out of them and as a result they like to trap others so they can have it all alone and waste our money instead of working the phones and helping the likes of me in getting the real problems resolved. I have to say to you, your advise on the Cingular forum bricked my phone and thanks to the real knowledgeable ones and their advise I was able to finally bring my device back to life.

Now I have a question to you, Wilcre, where is your heart do you really have one, do you really like stealing our money and spend your time on forums instead of helping us especially you are being paid (as was said above) indirectly via our hard earned money? Do you have a family that you have to feed, do you feel right when you sleep that you are only out to make the money and steal the others hard earned money (I guess honor and religion did not teach those right) and just pass the day with being on the forums, how can you be proud of yourself? Yousaid above the word Pitty, I pitty the people that have to know you and liewith you with a dirty mentality like that.

Now if the Cingular moderators and their upper management which I hope have the decency to come in here and read what you said and really hope that they see the light of day and also step up to the plate and not let thief's like you defending them, this is for sure the most un-honorable way of doing things, unless this is exactly how they want to be and that is without honor.

Edit: Wilcre if you are the man that you think you are, can you name each and every one that you had/wanted to get them out of you way?
[Off-topic] nightrider:
I hope you will not as you sure seem to be the middle ground and from the loooks of it, it sure looks like he was out to baite you too
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Wow:eek: True colors are flown high with this statement.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
For my part I hope Fone Junkie sees the recent posts for what they are -- a crude attempt to divert the conversation from an examination of what is wrong with those forums -- reconsiders his position, and returns because there are really serious issues over there.

One which springs to mind is one person who was a Community "Leader" until he voluntarily relinquished his status because of his need to attend to other affairs. However, Community "Leader" or not he has a penchant for brutally abusing customers at every possible opportunity. Sadly, he also works at a call center.

I have often wondered why forum management -- especially one which espouses ethics and integrity -- permits this. Surely, the management can see the same thing everybody else does: Allowing this just creates a huge black eye for the company. How any manager can think this is OK simply escapes me.
[Off-topic] nightrider:
I totaly agree with you. I hope he does not get side tracked by what Wilcre is doing. It seem that this is WIlcre's style which is to blame others, then cut and run. FoneJunkie, do not listen to him as he is for sure a spy and as many said, he is doing thier dirty work for them as kissing their behinds. I wonder how brown his face has gotten so far and how far he will brown himself!
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
OMG! This has got to be the most profound statement in this thread. Although I have been lashing out at Sentry and Wireless Foreman (and in a very childish imature way thank you very much) :p looking at the big picture, this is what this thread is all about.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Thank you.

This is what I have been trying to convey but so far have not been very articulate in getting the point over.

It is sad that it has come to this. People have tried it over there individually and they have been crushed. It has been attempted by a group and those involved were dismissed (even referrede to as "drama llamas" by one of the reps) and in a few cases banned by the mods.

It is tragic that those who care for that place and want to see it work have to do so outside.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Middle ground with a view of each side's thoughts... This has really opened my eyes. :eek: I'm kinda glad that I didn't know what was taking place in pm's but I must say I'm a little disappointed too.

~Hairline cracks of a facade can eventually destroy the whole house.~
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Who would that be? If you don't wanta say out here then pm me, I can only think of 1 person that has given up his CL, that I know about.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
A number gave up their Community "Leader" status or had it taken away. All were kicked out of the VCM and most were outright banned by the mods. All except one, that is, who retained his VCM status with no penalty. Read through one of the posts above listing reps and think of the one who is consistently nasty with customers and you will realize who I am talking about.

I am not trying to be cagey or dismissive of your question. I am trying to focus on the problems over there not the personalities. One of the problems is that the forums have become a place where many reps work out their call center frustrations anonomously on the forum and behave like sociopaths towards the customers coming there seeking help. A bigger problem is that the mods know this is happening, know who the reps doing this are and allow it to continue.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
LIGHTBULB

I think I know exactly who you are talking about

!

They were involved in the spanish posting.
[Off-topic] jwzg:
We won't ban you, but you'll love the fact that your posts will just....disappear.
[Off-topic] cara1382:
Wow! First, hello to everyone from the Cingular forums, or is it AT&Tagain? So much has changed over there. Its nice to see some of the old user names, but no real surprise that you all are still fighting. I see that Wilcre and FoneJunkie are at it again. I don't know why Wilcre acts the way he does, mabey its his personality or something. Anyway, its good to see everyone. I have a lot of reading and catching up to do.

Cara
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Seems like old times at AT&T
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Welcome Cara. I wasn't part of the merry band with GWelker and the rest of the gang at AT&T. I was banned from there though. Several times! :D :p :D
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
OKAY THAT'S FUNNY!!!!:D I think I spotted.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Hello! I don't guess I recognize your user name but glad to see that you have joined the, um, lively debate! :D
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
:D :D Sorry...about the spotting that is! :D
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Actually i do not have a problem with GiGi, never have and most likely never will have a problem with her... so sorry to burs your bubble.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Please point out the thread i told you to go and do something that would brick your phone.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Well why not, i was accused of doing this anyways.... may as well live up to what is expected of me....
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Actually i place blame right where it is due, does not matter if it is AT&T or a store rep or a customer care rep or even myself, so again sorry to bust your bubble.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Ok I will pose this a a "yes" or "no" question.... Is this going to be the punishment for me like it was for some of the users here that were in the AT&T forums that were banned and or tortured by the mods there even if i stay within the guidelines here....
[Off-topic] cara1382:
Mod edit: Personal attacks as found in this post will not be tolerated. Address only behaviors related to the subject of the thread.
[Off-topic] cara1382:
Hi GiGi77. I used to hang out at the Cingular forum,but haven't been there is over a year. Good to meet you. Mabey I will go back and check out the forum especially if this thread is any indication of whats going on over there.
[Off-topic] cara1382:
Hi. I wasn't banned I just lost interest but now it sounds like there is finally some action over there. I remember G8keeper and some of the other mods like swife and pama28 I think. I don't know who Sentry ro WirelessForeman are, but sounds like they make the place interesting. And I don't think I know you either, but its good to meet ya.

Cara
[Off-topic] jwzg:
If your comments are designed to get people to leave, yes. Defend your actions here and on other boards, but don't try to get people to leave here. We have a lot of disagreeable people around here, but we still learn from them. and we allow them to speak as long as they follow the guidelines (yourself included). According to the thread, it appears that the AT&T forums are dysfunctional, and we as mods allowed a discussion about it in an off-topic forum. (You don't hear about banned members from XDA-developers gathering on other sites to talk about how bad the mods are, do you?)

As I've stated earlier, don't come over here and tell us how to do our job, and we won't come over there to tell the mods how to do their's.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I think that statement pretty much stands on it's own. :D

Oh my, even making suggestions will get you labeled as a trouble maker, and a one way ticket to Banville slapped on your a........ :eek:
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Don't know how ''tortured" fits in this, but this statement sounds like you agree the turd twins are out of control. ;)
[Off-topic] wilcre:
So who dug you up to come on here and register and abuse me.... This thread is now looking alot like the Sabbatical thread... You know, people that have not been around for some time all of a sudden show up to put there $0.02 in and then not come back once everything is settled down.
[Off-topic] wilcre:
_____So statements as such as the one posted below should not be allowed then should it.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
OH Please don't bring ones family and children into this mud slinging. :( They are defenseless and any honorable family member will fight you tooth and nail.

Thanks! ;)
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Very nice! The mods on the other forum should have such a gentle touch. Gentle persuasion is sooo much nicer than intimidation and threats of banville. It creates goodwill instead of frustration and resentment.
[Off-topic] jwzg:
No they won't...

Situation addressed.
[Off-topic] cara1382:
ok, so my comments about your kids was inapropriate. I apologize.

cara
[Off-topic] nightrider:
Unfortunately your responses seems to have offended for GIGI to end up wanting the side lines and in my opinion you seem to reply and even hurt your friends in your replies. I sure would not do that for a supposed to be friend. Instead of responding to me like you just did you really should have addressed GIGI and asked not take the side line and shuld have instead agreed that she is really doing what I said she is doing

I wish I can, but it seems that post and thread is gone. Did you find it and ask them to delete it?

Accused? Why would one accuse you if you have not done so. I am not seeing just one accusation but it seems that those are rampant and am I am sorry I have to go with the majority and it seems that you did fess up.

Exactly the blame is on you as you again went off topic. Just make sure that you don't burst your own buble And please ask you friend Moderators as to why they are letting you do the defence and not them, what are they scared off, it must be that their defence is so week and their proof is so bad that they would not dare and go head to head with the ones they banned. They sure like to take the fast road.
[Off-topic] Athena:
Hi Cara, good to see you again..

Trust me, you don't want to know Sentry or Foreman..
[Off-topic] damianicus:
Thanks for that link. I just sent this:

I am very disappointed with AT&Ts handling of the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade for the 8525. I have been patiently waiting for many months now for WM6 and since a release deadline set by you (Q3 07) was missed, there has been more and more censorship on the HTC forums of your website.

First off, the moderator of that forum is named Sentry. That is a cold and unfriendly-like name to allow your forum moderator to use. It smacks of a company uninterested in customer service.

Secondly, all threads related to WM6 release for the 8525 have been stopped and deleted.

All ATT has to do is have a bit of communication as to why it has not been released. Pushing it off with out any community feedback as to why is only going to anger your customer base.

Furthermore, releasing a new WM6 phone (the Tilt) before our upgrade just tells us that you'd rather us pay more money and buy a new phone in order to get WM6.

So A, I think that Sentry moderator needs a new customer-focused name. And B, telling us something ANYTHING about when this update is coming and WHY it has been so late would greatly help your reputation as a cellular service provider.

Thanks,

Damian

(Former Cingular customer feeling quite abused by the "new" AT&T)
[Off-topic] intrglctcrevfnk:
Ive been banned for the second time from the AT&T forums!!

Not like I love the forum, but I like to be able to help the newbies from there; heck thats were I started.

Man I had sooo many posts, then i pm'd a guy about this site..BANNED

Then I sign up with a new UN and don't link it to my phone number... then when asked about the best wm6 software... i mention the palm threaded wm6 that shogun mark posted here...

it was all good till the shill said that he couldnt find it... then bam! .. BANNED..

All I wanted to do was help
[Off-topic] leoiden:
I,M Corrupted HA! HA!
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
They un-banned me! YAY! :p

I knew I did nothing to get banned!
[Off-topic] intrglctcrevfnk:
nice! did you email the mod's or something?
[Off-topic] pvs:
Good luck on this damianicus ... Sentry is a good name for this character. He ... as well as their other moderators, exist only to ensure that no foul language (aka 'xda' is spoken on the Cingular/new ATT forums. None of them offer any help, and are merely soldiers who enfore their own brand name 'ethics'. I imagine I might be banned from their site for posting this here, but WTF.

I have had better dealings with Seven, the company that offers their ExpressMail service, than I EVER got from Cingular/ATT. Seven has been very cool, to date, giving me permission to offer XDA Developers some solutions to ExpressMail Issues.

Cingular ...the new att, and their 'sentries', have been silent on every expressmail outage in 2007. So much for Customer Service ... they REALLY don't care! We need to realize this fact.

Anyway ... enough with my rant. Thank GOD for this site. Hopefully, the users-in-the-dark will find out about it through alternative means.

FWIW, I understand that the HTC forum has links on it to XDA ... I wonder what would happen if an HTC member posted a link to an HTC message that mentioned XDA. I'm not and HTC club member, so I can't do this myself ... but ... hint hint ... I wonder.

-pvs
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
Nope I just tried logging in and it let me.

I never got an email when I got banned so I wouldn't expect one if your waiting to see if you where unbanned.
[Off-topic] cingulartreo:
coming soon!

I hear that starting 10/30 and going for 90 days there will be an upgrade to wm6 on the 8525. Still no 3mp camera with autofocus, and built in GPS like the tilt, but at least we get wm6.

The tilt has a almost treo messaging setup. MMS, and SMS are integrated into one. Pretty cool.
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
OK... apparently I am still banned... from logging in on my main account with this IP.

Can log in from home just fine!
[Off-topic] jamiefiedler:
i gotta say, i think they're taking the no-talk rule a bit too far. it used to be no linking or providing direct URLs to here, but now mere mention appears to be enough.

i wonder if they search the content for the letters XDA. maybe the site needs a new reference over there? ADX? :D
[Off-topic] jamiefiedler:
if you created a second account using the same IP after one had been suspended or banned, they probably banned the IP for a period of time.
[Off-topic] DIE_HARD:
I am able to log in with another account just fine from this IP.

I just don't dare post in any of "My" posts or they will ban the new nick (from logging in at this IP) like they did the other day.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Well well... all I can say is welcome one and all to the Banned Ones club. :D I was a long time member of that place before I got banned, and for something very different than the norm.

I can sure add some juicy stuff to this thread. :p

First off, don't hold any animosity toward the at&t forums as a whole. And I want to add I support their stand on posting links to unofficial roms for their phones. It can create some huge legal headaches for at&t. Now having said that, Sentry is the king **** of that place. He is a pompas ass that is on a power trip. He gets off on banning people and what ever rule he can find you broke, he is whooping out the "Ban Hammer".

Wireless Foreman is another *insert colorful metaphors here* that is running the at&t forums in the ground. He is one of those types that NEVER admits to a mistake and has -0- sense of humor. These two guys you have to watch out for.

mod.moose is one to befriend. She is a class act and will work with you. BE NICE TO HER and she will return the favor.

There is (and soon to be was) a secret chamber called the VCM. *Valued Community Members* Only certain people were invited and knew about this special forum. I was a member of this place. There was an announcement about the new Spanish forum in there and a discussion was started about it. Some of us expressed an objection to having one because it doesn't promote immigrants to learn English. Wireless Foreman is Latino, he pulls the race card and he got pissed off that anybody would object. Some apologized but I refused to. I only expressed an opinion and I make no apologies for that. Another agreed with me and next thing I know I'm thrown out of the VCM along with the one that agreed with me. Some of the the others there protested this by resigning their Community Leader status and they got thrown out also. Some were banned altogether. I didn't get banned altogether until I cracked a joke in the lounge with another member about some noobs. Sentry and Wireless Foreskin thought it was about them. I tried to explain to WF but he refused to listen. *He doesn't make mistakes you know*

With all the people that have been banned from that secret chamber, it will be shut down soon. Now they can deny it even exist and erase any evidence of the power trip WF and Sentry went on. Rest assure they will start up a new secret chamber and hand pick their personal trolls to be members of it.

So, as long as those two are there, I won't reincarnate and go back.
[Off-topic] jamiefiedler:
i didn't know you got banned! i was wondering what happened to you...
[Off-topic] intrglctcrevfnk:
WOW GWelker62??

Man you had a LOT of posts there... Think I might have conversed with you from time to time...

Welcome back to the Dark Side..:cool:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
It's all true... how do I know? I was the other guy. Three years and over 9000 posts over there and then I run into a couple of powertripping never will bes, and wham, bam, thank you, ma'am...
[Off-topic] mcorrie1121:
Wait...did you both just claim to be the "other"?
[Off-topic] newbie2:
FoneJunkie was the one that got banned from the forums for posting his reply in my (GWelker's) congratulatory thread in Spanish.
[Off-topic] BigBen:
Orwell's 1984, AKA "The New AT&T User's Forum"

Couldn't help but write when I saw this thread. I think I may have been one of the first to wake the sleeping troglodyte mods over at the Cingular forums early this year. Here is what I got censured and censored for in the old Cingular forums eight months ago. I wrote:

"Hey, boys and girls. Every notice how "Alan," the purported moderator of this forum, is so noticeable because of his absence? Wouldn't it be cool if there were an active moderator in this HTC forum? They could close threads when their mission was accomplished, correct bad information, supply good information, etc. Like moderators are supposed to do.

I figured the laissez faire attitude in evidence here was just another of Cing's ways of thumbing their nose at their customers, until I went lurking on another forum here, LG, I believe, and saw the work of a real live, active mod (OE by name). He/she had closed a thread after it served its purpose, and even said "good information" to the contributor that supplied the answer to a user's problem.

Most of us are here because we have problems with our service and/or devices. Don't you think our supplier would do well by having an active mod on this and every forum? If you do, chime in. Cingular and its customers would benefit."

Then, out of the woodwork, materializing out of nothing, from the depths, came "SENTRY," who responded to one of my supporters, lkc2854:

lkc2854 wrote:

"I'd really like to see the moderators being pro-active again myself. It would really "clean up" the forums in my opinion."

SENTRY wrote:

"You mean, shutting down threads like these, right?

I agree."

At which point he did just that. Shut down the thread. So there, customers! I am a big, bad, powerful mod (who can't take some constructive criticism.)

Sentry then went on to rant about my abusive language, etc., and I was dumbfounded by the number of forum members who supported him. It didn't occur to me until today that at least some of them may have been Cingular plants, or "shells" as someone wrote above.

At that point, I exiled myself from the forums, but not before I yanked Sentry's chain a bit. I referred to one of Sentry's posts writing something like as "...SENTRY wrote in her reply...."

Well, by God, SENTRY didn't like that one bit, and HE responded with something like "I am not a her but a him." Guess I hit a sore spot there, ha, ha!

A trip back to that forum today confirms that the censorship hammer is still being wielded. AT&T/Cingular is doing themselves absolutely no good with that type of heavy-handed moderation of their forum, and their draconian TOS which states that they can cut off service if a user besmirches their good name.

Ben
[Off-topic] cara1382:
Hey, that's not very nice. And what sabbatical thread areyou talking about?

All I can say it that it takes one to know one about the showing up to put your two cents in and then not come back to answer any questions.

and how is the family? You never answered my question. See, you're doing it again.

cara
[Off-topic] cara1382:
hey there Athena. How the heck are ya? Maybe I need to return to the Cingular forum and check it out for myself. Sounds like a lot has changed. Are Sentry and WirelessForeman as bad as they are saying earlier in this thread? I guess they are cleaning that place out. Maybe they need a little Spic & Span - that should do the trick.

Hey, what ever happened to pcardoza? Is she still around?

cara