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[Off-topic] wireless_one:
WOW, This Just Sucked Up 2 Hours of My Day

I am not an att subscriber, nor do I own a Tilt or 8525. I just clicked on mdhensley5's signature in the HTC Today plugin thread and here I ended up.

After the first 20 pages, I knew I had to get through the rest to see how this ended up. Well, I can say that after I switch from T-Mobile to att (they have their own faults that deserve ridicule) and get a Tilt, I will stick with XDA for "support". I hope all of you activiely participate in the other areas and share your expertise on working with these devices.

An observation: It seems like everyone (or almost everyone) who has been banned wants to get back on. I suspect that after being a part of that community for as long as many of you have been, the respect you have earned there has given you all a certain elevated level of seniority. I encourage you to find comfort here and stay around, and NOT return to a place where you are not appreciated. If I have learned one thing here, modertor to junior member, we share at least one thing: we are suckers for these damn phones (read 12 Step Program for Flashing Addicts). On occassion, you may find that one piece of intentionally misleading information, but for the most part, it is reliable and helpful. If you can be of help to the more challanged users of these phones, share your knowledge.

As for the flaming, very funny stuff (I like the recent drawing and the few pic's scattered throughout). Maybe its time to collectively (and I mean those who want to get back into the att forums) to say," We don't need you. We're happy over at XDA's forums". Then have a group hug. Ok, maybe not the hug part.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
I for one don't want back in unless the two mods in question are gone. Even then, I think I'm done with that place. I have been "lurking" around XDA for a couple of years under a different name. I don't think I ever posted much. These people are too smart and I feel like a complete noob around them. This is where I would learn stuff.... then I would help others at the at&t forums with that information. Made me look pretty smart sometimes. :cool:
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
I have been lurking here for a while and have been posting some under another name. This place has definitely a higher end pool of users.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
LOL You've heard of alcoholics anonymous well the group that has got banned and it's merry men/women I guess could be called former att anonymous! :D

On a serious note, I feel like once you got into the VCM you were like in a club, of sorts, and that's why some of us were SHOCKED when they banned some many of "their" valued community members! If you step back and look at it in a 3rd person way, these were and are members who were part of the backbone of the forum. Moderators have come and gone but many of the VCM were on there for several years. Why? Because they like helping other members. Post count don't mean a thing, it's how many customers have you helped? Did their issue get resolved because of something that you told them about?

For those reading this from over there and thinking "they were easily replaced!" - I say No! You lost a close knit community when you chose to ban these members, you could have banned them for X amount of days and let them know that if they crossed the line 1 more time then it would be a permanent ban. I don't ever expect to get in the new "secret" board because

I think

that they'll think I'll tote tales - which I haven't done! I'm sure that they probably wished that whoopyd hadn't of posted about this forum over there, but the cat's out of the bag, so to speak.

I miss Jack! :(
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
:eek:

Guess your secret is out now! :p ;)
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
Well, I can tell you for a fact that there has been a CL post about you by a so-called CL that states:

What's the scoop on Ms. GiGi? For someone who promotes herself as somewhat of a religeous zealot, she seems to have no problem playing both sides of the fence between here and XDA................ Keep an eye on her folks. you never know which of her two faces you may be talking to.

This of course, coming from a business user who insists that corporations can do whatever they want because they have a right to.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I can't decide if I've been flamed or not. I don't see any smoke. :p

Five has a meaning known only to me. Try to guess it if you can, oh silly mortal! :)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I don't have any interest in going back.

The current set of mods have made it clear that they want a forum full of 'members' that they can push around and foist their agenda upon. I understand that they need rules and order to make the forum work. But bullying the long time members and then banning them once they dared voice an opinion contrary to their (the mods) own, is not the way to get it done.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Just yanking on your chain. I work with kids so I recognized the art work.:p

If I try to guess what the 5 means I will only display my ignorance and it is better to leave people guessing rather then confirm their suspicion beyond all doubt.:o
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Would that be Jameson! ?
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Oooo Weee Girlfriend!! Your days are numbered over there. :eek:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Ding Ding Ding... we have a winner. Give that lady a cupie doll.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
"What's the scoop on Ms. GiGi? For someone who promotes herself as somewhat of a religeous zealot, she seems to have no problem playing both sides of the fence between here and XDA................ Keep an eye on her folks. you never know which of her two faces you may be talking to."

I want to comment about this statement....

First of all, to refer to GiGi as a religious zealot is a sign of contempt for her beliefs. Hmmm.. sound familiar? Second, to claim she is playing both sides of the fence? Sounds like they are a bit delusional to me. Third... keep an eye on her?!?!? Not that's a good one. That makes it sound like precious Gi is a threat? Threat to what? Fourth.. she is two faced? OK, anybody that knows GiGi should either be falling out of your chair, or your blood is boiling by now.
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
That's the first one that came to MY mind. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Perhaps someone on the at&t forum should report that post as a personal attack and allow (!?) the mods to deal with it on face value. Aren't personal attacks supposed to be unacceptable, even in the land of the sheep? I believe that the OP should be given a warning and possibly a time out. Sentry? WirelessForeman? are you guys listening?
[Off-topic] LuvMy8125:
But if it's behind "closed doors", it's supposed to be okay to slam other members, isn't it?? From what I remember, what's SAID in the VCM was supposed to STAY in the VCM. . . that is, until the moderators decide to change the rules without telling anyone ahead of time and move threads from the VCM out into the PUBLIC forums. :eek:
[Off-topic] Athena:
LOL!! That doesn't sound anything like Jameson! (AKA Pcardoza)
[Off-topic] Athena:
They'll probably give him 2 gold stars. He's another one that the rules aren't enforced on. If anyone deserved to get banned from there, it was him, but of course since he bows down to the almighty mods & AT&T, he is pretty much safe to do whatever and say whatever he wants.

Corrupted? You bet!
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Thanks George and the others. Let's see why did the VCM crumble, because of what they perceived as a personal attack on someone? But yet am I not being attacked and behind my back? At least you guys got to defend your words and actions. HMMMM you know there was another time that a VCM member tried to get me to discourage me from being on the forum and 2 Moderators (G8keeper and Wirelessformen) encouraged me in pms to stand my ground and not let them bully me into leaving. :eek: I'm not on that forum for any "business user", I'm over there helping or trying to bring a little sunshine to the everyday John and Jane Doe's experience on the at&t forum!

Riding the fence? Religious Zealot?

"A person who has ruined religion by using it for his own personal gain and to make him seem like (s)he's better than non-religious people."

Have I ever posted anything over there or here to make me look better than a non-Christian? I don't think so! Talk about casting the first stone! You don't see me stoning someone because of their non-belief.

I call it being the Peacemaker and a friend to all. There's a scripture that the business user might want check out in the Bible:

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called

children of God

.” (Matthew 5:9)
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Apparently one of the newest hot buttons is 'spanish'. Mentioning 'spanish' anything will get you a one way ticket out of there. Isn't that just a tad over sensitive? Especially in this day of extreme political correctness?

Then again, it must be true if one is to believe the tagline in my signature.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
GiGi, here's another verse that comes to mind. This is for you, not for any business users at the other forum. "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matthew 5:11
[Off-topic] wilcre:
_____I know I have never personally seen you do anything like that myself over there {Or with my limited excursions over here}, you are doing fine, don't change who you are for anyone, if someone wants to except you, they have to accept you for who you are and not for what they want you to be.

...

Pro 19:20:. Listen to advice and accept instruction, and in the end you will be wise
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
:) Well said.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
md, that's a good one too! Seems like someone on here suggested he read the Bible, he will learn something from it, as it never returns void! :D
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Thanks Wilcre, as I said before, I don't have anything against you either. ;) I think someone's just jealous that they don't have the freedom to post over here. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
And Jameson's post in the CL section about you is now gone... go figure... :o
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
I have avenues.....and I'll leave it at that. :p
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I say Paul (pcardoza, aka jameson) is a troll - a real piece of work. How could he, with his history of playing both sides of the fence, even consider ambushing GiGi like that? Surely he's not dumb enough to think that his personal attacks would not be made public. At the very least, he owes GiGi a public apology. I suggest that he do it here, in full view of those of us who know him so well. It might make some of us actually consider respecting him.

Of course, I doubt he will, as it's not his style. He's too much like Sentry and WF.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Don't include me in that list of "mights". :mad:

He came here showing his true colors, along with that post about GiGi in their secret hide out. And that color would be brown of course. That post about GiGi tells me a lot about the kind of person he is and the filter he views his world around him with.

He is now on my poopoo list with Sentry and WF.

Oh yea, another thing. You long time members of the at&t forum, have you noticed how Jameson is a **** with other members, but never challenges the mods. Makes a person go hmmmmm.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Not to worry, George. He won't show his face... and certainly doesn't have the huevos to apologize. He'll just crawl back in his hole until he finds an opportunity to abuse his next victim.

You are right about his showing his true colors with this incident...
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
Didn't he get banned from here?
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
You know I've typed and retyped my comments on this latest subject and here's what I'll say about it:

Apologize? I don't think so. He doesn't come off to me as one that would. I'm not holding my breath and I would be shocked if he did and on "this forum"? I don't think so! Some people don't know how to say I'm sorry and he probably doesn't think he owes anyone an apology, it is after all, his "free right" to express his view and opinions!? :rolleyes:

Maybe this is what at&t should have been putting on all the post:

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post are strictly those of the author. The contents of this page have not been reviewed or approved by at&t or it's Moderators.

And since when does the at&t guidelines say that I or any of YOU, can NOT be a member of another forum? If I wanted to hide from "them" don't you think I would've come here with another name? Hey! Maybe I should change my user name over here, ya' think? :p How about oNtHeFeNcE? MImeFACE? :p It's easy to hide behind a secret room or a pm?

Oh and by the way, I was and am still a Valued Community Member, in my eyes. I don't see them allowing me to ever be a CL and that's their loss, not mine. :D
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
No. He's just chicken excrement.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
GiGi, sounds like you have a pretty good read on paul cardoza. And a healthy attitude about what you can really expect from such a troll.

Yeah, send sentry a PM and ask him to change your user name :)

Again, no doubt you are a Valued Community Member. The question, really, though, is by whose standards? Definitely by ours. Not so sure about the at&t mod crew/user base. BTW, which one of them is using the brain today?
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
This brain???
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Or this brain???
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I just love google images! :D I hope you all realize that I'm just playing and not trying to flame anyone.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
I was banned for saying less than this

Re: Windows Mobile 6.0 for the HTC/Cingular 8125 [ NEW ]

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Sorry to break it to you, but an OFFICIAL release wont be coming for this device. BUT, if you go to the XDA site, you might find some more "interesting" info on how to update.

11-16-2007 06:57:04 PM
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
That's interesting that they let it stay in there too! :confused: There is a user on this forum with that same name too!
[Off-topic] wilcre:
Just in case someone wants a direct link to the post.
[Off-topic] Athena:
The only time I have seen him challenge the mods (and I use the term "challenge", loosely) is when he pleaded with the mods to work with us VCM in regards to all the coverage problems that were arising as a result of the name turning to AT&T.
[Off-topic] mdhensley5:
Change in policy?

I posted this part for those of us who have been banned but haven't reincarnated. This seems to be a very interesting departure from the usual delete and ban policy.

Administrator mod.moose

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kareem9nba wrote:

I don't really want to say much more. No it's not pirated AFAIK. It's a cooked rom.

Be careful. Most people are happy to help out on these Forums, but remember that their advice is theirs only and that you are responsible for deciding whether or not to follow it. Take caution before downloading software to or for your handset, as it could potentially damage your device or void your warranty. Make sure you read the Be Careful section of the Guidelines

11-16-2007 08:26:39 PM
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
I'd have to agree and that was right after I came back from my self imposed hiatus to see what was going wrong with my service.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
To ban or not to ban, that was the question!

Well then in all fairness, they should reinstate all those that got banned, but you notice in the post Sentry made he stated "going forward", so I doubt they'll un-ban the ones that got banned from "this issue". Which in my book isn't fair. :( And that just brings us back to full circle on why many of you are on here.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
You can't use the name 'Sentry' and the word 'fairness' in the same sentence or thought (without a negating word or prefix like 'not' or 'un'). It's just not possible.
[Off-topic] newbie2:
I agree with you. And, I see that very question has already been asked.
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
Guess more members need to ask! ;)
[Off-topic] Athena:
The VCM doesn't exist anymore. So I can't.

Maybe I can ask to un-relinquish my CL designation and then get into the CL forum. LMAO!!

Never in a million years.
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
I'll give you a star -- here you go * :p And this one won't get you banned...:D
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
5- Star

OH! Come on now! You can do better than that!

:D
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
When you wish upon a star...makes no difference who you are! lol

Show off! :p Hey! I can use that star, my high school colors are black and gold! Thanks! :cool: ;)

Hey! I just noticed this, about this thread and it's post!

482 replies	15,752 VIEWS! That's 31,504 eyeballs looking at this thread! :eek (If all the viewers had 2 eyeballs, that is!)
[Off-topic] Athena:
LOL! Thank you Sir Knight!
[Off-topic] TheBlackKnight:
Nothing's good enough for the all mighty salmon goddess! ;)
[Off-topic] Athena:
*Athena bats her eyes*
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
* FoneJunkie

rolls

his. *
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
How do you know about the Salmon Goddess?
[Off-topic] GiGi77:
:eek: Surely, a Knight never tells his secret! (swoosh! the blade on his sword is sharp!) :p
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
Re: Windows Mobile 6.0 for the HTC/Cingular 8125 [ NEW ]

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I'm taking my information from this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335566

so I'm not sure if it is the user athena is talking about. But the member FoneJunkie claims he was removed for congradulating someone in Spanish. Is this the incident?

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Sentry wrote:

Athena wrote:

a. Recently, a forum member was banned from here for congratulating another forum member on a rank promotion.

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I know of no members who have been banned for congratulating another forum member, but I do recall a superficially similar situation to what you describe. In that situation there were ample and physical reasons for the member's removal from the forum, reasons which are privy to the moderators (both AT&T and Lithium) and more importantly, to their management. I don't know if we're talking about the same incident, but if we are, know that AT&T's management and its moderators have reviewed it closely to ensure that the proper action was taken.

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apparently I am the subject of that conversation now...
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
You have become a celebrity!!:cool: Will you go back if reinstated?
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
ROFL... I don't think either FJ or myself will get reinstated. Most of the other members got banned for heavy handed enforcement of the rules. The mods can say we reviewed the matter and will give a reprieve, and not lose face over it.

Me and FJ got banned for personal reasons. We had a disagreement with two certain mods in the VCM forum. They were looking for a chance to say we were being "disruptive". Somehow they see me cracking a joke and FJ saying congratulations in español as disruptive. So in our situation, them giving us a reprieve is an admittance they were wrong. And somehow I don't see them admitting they were wrong.
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I agree with George. That whole issue is moot. It ain't going to happen. Sentry and WF will lose too much face by reinstating either of us. We were among the first to speak about about the corruption and heavy-handedness within the ranks of at&t moderators (again, I will make a distinction between the at&t mods and the Lithium mods, save John_B/SideshowBob/Optimus Prime), so they cannot afford to bring us back, regardless of how unfairly we were treated.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Hmmm... well the debate is heating up over there. It is significant that the discussion is allowed to continue so far. It seems that no good comes out of things that happen in secret. It is interesting to see that hidden_dragon is part of the "discussion." I haven't seen his name for quit awhile.
[Off-topic] Dream Rider:
Thread closed

Well the thread has fianaly been closed. Here is the final post:

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The moderation team has agreed to look at reinstating users who were banned due to the confusion surrounding WM6 and XDA. We will do this on a case by case basis.

If you know of a user or are one of the aliases of a user who wants to be reinstated please send me a Private Message. We will need list of all accounts with aliases so they can be closed once the banned user name is reinstated. We only allow users to have one open account so all alias need to be closed (banned).

Once we have your request the moderators will review and will reply via PM. Users who are reinstated will have to agree to follow the AT&T guidelines.

We will not close/ban new account with aliases until things have been settled and we will not ban any user for just coming forward.

This thread is now closed. Thank you.

mod.moose
[Off-topic] FoneJunkie:
I see that the thread is now locked with this promise:

The moderation team has agreed to look at reinstating users who were banned due to the confusion surrounding WM6 and XDA. We will do this on a case by case basis.

If you know of a user or are one of the aliases of a user who wants to be reinstated please send me a Private Message. We will need list of all accounts with aliases so they can be closed once the banned user name is reinstated. We only allow users to have one open account so all alias need to be closed (banned).

Once again, sentry and wirelessforeman have the Lithium mods doing their 'dirty work' of locking the threads. They must really be running scared.
[Off-topic] torquemada:
Those who have not been accepted as Community "Leaders" may be interested in this from the Welcome To The Club letter to newly chosen "Leaders": Quality: The quality of a user’s participation is probably the most important criterion for selecting Community Leaders. Quality participation, as we define it:

o Provides constructive advice

o Has a positive tone

o Includes good communication with other VCMs, moderators, and admins

o Embodies the letter and spirit of our forum guidelines

o Focuses on boards outside the Lounge and VCM board

Being a Community Leader is different than being a Valued Community Member. Like effective leaders in any other setting, Community Leaders direct and guide others, and they do it mostly by example. Because they’ve been given a leadership designation, their actions reflect on other Community Leaders, on the community as a whole, and on Cingular too. Because it carries these expectations, it’s not a role for everyone.

A good exercise is to see if anyone can come up with at least two posts out of any randomly chosen 100 this person has made which even come remotely close to the Community "Leader" criteria outlined above by the moderating staff.

It is quite clear from reading his posts that this person treats other members as if they were a piece of gum on his shoe. It is equally clear thet he does not deserve his Community "Leader" status. It could be argued that because of his general demeanor and years-long record of flaming anyone in sight that he should be banned from the forum.

Be interesting to see what Sentry does regarding this user considering his belief in honor (aka honour for the crowd at Halifax), ethics, and morality. It sure must be lonely on the front line.