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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maggy:
When I went to bed last night there was no FTouchflo release yet, now this thread is full of reports. Unfortunately mostly the kind of reports I feared most. (other touch-like interfaces like cube and pcmcontact effected...)

The very least you should build into it IMHO should be an easy way to toggle it on and off. Better would be a user configurable list of ignored programs with some defaults, may I suggest:

-PCMcontact

-PCMkeyboard

-several cube versions

-Melody

-Oto

-iMedia player

-several finger paint programs

-several picture viewers

-several browsers

-navigators

-please add suggestions...

I've not yet tested this alpha and I can probably tame my curiosity to the next version. So I have no idea what FTouchflo might do with navigators for example. It just gives me the creaps to think that it might scroll my map from Amsterdam to Rotterdam when I just want to zoom in...

success

BTW, you almost convinced me that you're real ;-)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] psvillars:
hey just thought i'd give my thoughts so far this is working perfectly and i have found that it does work with pocket cm and slide 2 unlock you just have to hold your finger down for a second then scroll my only problem i had at first was knowing that the program had in fact started so maybe adding a quick spash screen would help with that. by the way im using a ppc6700 with wm6 on it. But as is a great app and exactly what i've been looking for :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mismamente:
PocketCM works for me

Hi, for me, PocketCM works fine on my Hermes...but I must hold the finger a bit touching the screen. The response is not inmediate. But if you hold your finger touching and then scroll, it works (at least for me).

PocketCMKeboard works fine also...but the popup showing the letter you are touching not appear inmediatly on the screen.

I think pocketcm and pcmkeyboard (and I think any other touch program) suffers the delay of 200ms the program uses to known if you want scroll with finger or not.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jolas:
efrost, great development!!!

Thank you!!!

It works great on my universal (wm6) except that it conflicts with 'pocketcm', 'PocketCMKeyboard' and 'slide to unlock 2'.

Keep up the great work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] minz215:
Great work Efrost,

A bug i found is when scrolling inthe programs list, you should not be able to sroll to the right. However if you try to do so a horizontal scroll bar appears and you get white space when scrolling to the right.

Anyway i know this is an alpha, and cant wait for the full release when all the bugs are ironed out.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bingoig11:
Nice job efrost, works great on my Himalya! :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinson:
Efrost,

great work. but it will have problem when using transcriber for english input and pen power for chinese input. One suggestion, can the TouchFLO function be disabled when the SIP function is on?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ww2250:
@efrost: congratulations on your work! It works like charm in my Trinity - apps like Contacts have become so much easier to use, especially for one-handed operations!

As reported, it does however affects some SIP like Block Regconizer and Transcriber. I am no hacker at all, but how about if you disable Touchflo when it detects SIP panel is currently is use. That, I guess, would solve a lot of issues here.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Whiterat:
Brilliant Work, Very Small and incredibly light memory footprint!

The only problems I have found as yet is:

It allows you to scroll sideways when there is no scrollbar, then gets stuck.

Multiple instances can run when icon is tapped again.

Apart from that, Its damn sexy!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The_hesham:
It did not work with me!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guybrush:
There is still much work to do but looks promising... under programs and settings I can scroll up and down but also move all icons to the right and I cannot set back on the left, ugly.. but still an alfa so continue like this
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Bingoig11:
What is the problem?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maggy:
Perhaps you should check if you have other software installed that might be conflicting with it, uninstall that, soft reset. Then open something simple like a large internet page or a large text in notepad, check if it can scroll that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gingercat:
Working nicely on my Hermes (apart from the already mentioned alpha issues) - thanks!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Hyins:
:eek: Great !!!!!!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] eman3316@optonline.net:
Works on the Sprint Mogul....Looking foward to the development of this app.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cpeacha:
Works on Verizion 6700

Just installed this and have been using the heck

out of it and it's working flawlessly for me...

Using Verizion 6700...

Thanks... keep up the good work

Craig
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] THE-KEK:
This is great. Exactly what i've been looking for, but I have one major issue which will stop me from using this.

I can't use letter recognizer which is what I prefer, or transcriber.

If you can get these working, a donation will be on its way. This would be the last thing that make my hermes truely ****ing aweseom.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N!co:
Same problem on my Hermes.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ljinsane:
That not the way it is supposed to work thus causing a conflict......
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] badbadtz.carlo:
installed it on Hima, running tof's WM6.. just wonderful!!

can't seem to find cab though for htc cube cab.... :(

help
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rnzk8:
does not fully work on a vga device.... cannot interpret swipes on the screen...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! Could you, please, explain a bit more?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maggy:
Can you tell us if it's a PH10A or PH10B? You can find it on

settings>system>device information>identity>model.no

It's probably irrelevant but two PH10B users reported it didn't work at all, one PH10A user reported it worked great.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! N!co and all Hermes users.

Just one question: Do I understand right that calibration routine works (recognizes taps) and then your touch screen doesn't react?

If yes, it is problem not with the engine (it works during calibration), but with calibration data calculation routine. So, it is possible to fix it! :)

Can I ask you to post here calibration.dat file from thre root folder of your device so it will be possible to analyze problem? It appears there after calibration.

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] THE-KEK:
if there is a way you can turn of the application, and just use it when you want to, that would suffice my needs, and can make do so i can SMS without a soft reset.

The app doesnt' show up in the task manager. Any chance you can make it appear so it can be closed??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! It is system application and it doesn't have a window so you can't see it in the standard task manager. But you can see it in process viewer.

I am going to solve these issues with SIPs. Also there are many ideas about gestures and different modes and so on. It's just a matter of time to implement off of this :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mcorrie1121:
Tested it on my Hermes last night, and it seemed to work pretty well, no bad calibrations or anything.

However, the only way i could get it to scroll was to flick fast. Personally, I'd like to control how fast it scrolls. If im near my target contact, for example, I want to scroll slower, but it wouldnt register a slow flick.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The_hesham:
Do I hv 2 delete Byka cube

I followed all steps But no scroll from any direction
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] badbadtz.carlo:
i have a ph10B :D

Maggy, do u know where i can get the HTC cube? i'd like to try and see if it'll work like a touch :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Olioaglio:
@all with no touchscreen response problem

I think the reason why it won't work well or not at all after calibration

is, that the device sets the touch response according to the pressure

of the calibration. That means, the lighter you press the points while

calibration procedure, the better the Touch function will work. I had

the same problem first time and also thought it wouldn't work but then

I did a "soft touch calibration" again and now it works pretty goold.

Give it a try.

Olioalgio
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nemo2003:
In Spanish, it's installed in "Menu Inicio\Programas\Programs" and uninstall doesn't work.

Great work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gemblaster:
This may be your joy:D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=327846&goto=newpost

Have fun, I have been, it's pretty cool!

Please report back if there are any conflicts between the app on this thread and the cube for further development if needed;) .

Hope that is what you looking 4

Gem
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N!co:
Well, then i have to explain a bit more. It look like the calibration worked. But after that at every screen touch my Batti-configuration program started. The batti program is the 2-pixel line in top of the screen that shows the batterystate. Normally, when i click on that line i come in the configuration of batti.

So it look likes the calibration directs everything to the top of the screen.

Att. is the calibration.dat. Hope this helps!

EDIT:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Never mind the troubles. I recalibrated and it works fine now!

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SciFer:
looking good

not sure if some else already mentioned but it does interfere with PocketCM (Contacts). It still works but doesn't run as smoothly anymore.

Will it be possible to have a configurator that can disable or enable certain applications so that it won't conflict with applications that already have built-in 'TouchFlo' type capabilities?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
:confused: I'll take a look on this issue. Thank you!

You can uninstall it this way:

1. softreset

2. delete FTouchFlo directory with 2 files from Program Files directory.

3. delete Start FTouchFlo.lnk from Menu Inicio\Programas\Programs

4. delete calibration.dat from the root folder

It doesn't change dlls or registry data or something else in the system, so, you'll not have any piece of FTouchFlo software after "manual uninstall" procedure. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BorisTheSpider:
@Hermes Users W/ Screen Issues

I installed the Cab and started the app. Performed the screen calibration - it accepted with no problems. Problem was when touching the screen (anywhere on the screen) it would keep clicking on the START. After restarting the phone and starting the app no screen response.

Solution:

Upon testing, I uninstalled the app, and deleted the folder. Re-installed the cab. When I started the app, it didn't ask for the screen alignment and worked just fine. Weird.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! It didn't ask you for the screen alignment because you didn't delete calibration.dat from the root folder.

For sure, there is a bug in the calibration data calculation routine.

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] krishan2207:
Working well on BA but in the program & settings screen, horizontal movement is present only in one direction so either u move in -x or x axis it moves towards x(right) axis.

application like pocket cm is not working with it.

Tapping become hard as to s2u i have to hold the unlock arrow hard.

BUT THANX FOR DEVELOPMENT.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] steveecourt:
Well been a long time in devoplement but the cab works fine,

takes little getting used to but tried using explorer and thats is great to use.

Great works thanks!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
Wow. Will try in on Flame.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gobmonster:
i get the exact same issue, and also, this gives pieplus tons of problems with scrolling....... EXCLUSION LIST PLEASE!

but on everything else, nice job
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vmirage:
hmm... this topic is a bit confusing ... is it written TouchFlo on the title but the content is about FTouchFlo.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
@efrost

It did not work on O2 XDA Flame.

It did not go beyond the calibration.

The Problem, the white screen calibration comes out,

1. with first dot on the top left, click, ok.

2. with second dot on the bottom left, click, ok.

3. with third dot on the bottom right, click, ok.

4. with forth dot on the top right, click, error message comes saying cannot calibrate.

5. All input to the device is halted.

6. Needs a soft reset.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] finthamoussu:
Possible solution for applicatoins in conflict

efrost,

As a suggestion, a solution to the conflict this application causes with others could be to have as other applications has, a list of excluded applications (that users can add and remove applications from), so FTouchFLO won't intercept events for these applications.

Also about this:

"..A feature that could be great for scrolling, would be that it handles scrolling as iContact does (after you drag, it keeps scrolling reducing speed, and if you tap again it inmediatly stops scrolling), and not just in contacts (like iContacts), in every control that supports scrolling (outlook, browser...). I think this is not so hard to implement..."

I could help you to implement it if you want.

Cheers, and keep working...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Xiou:
2 finger toggle

I would like to 2nd this great suggestion. As I understand you are working on the exclusion list and a toggle switch. The switch will be an icon on the task bar. I'd suggest following through with both, but use the icon as a visual feedback mechanism to the two finger touch. I bet there is a Error catching subroutine which handles multi-touch, though I'm sure the hardware can't tell where it got touch it should report an error which if you have access to that detection you can easily use it as a toggle. This would be the most intuitive way of toggling it.

Great job ofcourse your efforts are appreciated I'm sure you know. It is a great alpha I'm glad you waited till you had the running calibration routine! Take care.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jolas:
It would be wonderful!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] finthamoussu:
When I started reading this, I thought, how could you do this without a multitouch screen. But if it throws a special error and you can catch it, then it would be a really COOL feature!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CWKJ:
@efrost

To add on above,

I tried it on a Trinity, it works.

The difference is that Trinity gathers 5 calibration points compare to O2 XDA Flame.

The O2 XDA Flame starts with the Top Left Calibration Point, missing Centre Calibration Point.

Is this calibration data really needed? In the registry, there is already some calibration data which was done by windows start from Hard Reset. I believe that O2 XDA Flame define the LCD coordinates in a different way.

Tell me what you need me to do to provide you the data for you to help me correct this.

I truely love it when I saw it on my Trinity!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] simonte:
nice job!

works great on HTC p3600 WM5 ...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mshnayde:
Opera problem.

Hi guys,

the program works well on Sprint Mogul, however,

is there a way to make it bring back the finger

scrolling in Opera beta 2

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] taim99:
Its working very well on my Himalaya.. too bad that i cant scroll through iContacts after installing this application. I hope its fixed in the next version! Keep it up!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] myownregister:
hi efrost,

your app even at this very early stage is already working amazingly. this might sound a bit surprising but i installed your app on my old HP iPaq hx2495 (running WM5) which is just a plain pda w/no phone and worked right away w/no probs (aside from the alhpa bugs)! thank you for your very hard work that now even an old plain pda is a lot easier to use now. :) looking forward to testing all your future dev'ts on this old heap (like SIP ignoring, etc)!

also, i found that it's a lot easier to use with a stylus than w/ your finger (though the finger works well too!). even when using iContact, i simply use the stylus or my fingernail to tap (hold a teeny bit) & flick scroll and it scrolls away really fast as usual!

just 1 question though, how do i configure it to launch apps for each of the 4 directions like you did in your video?

simply great work. congratulations! :)

regards,

myownregister
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fablife:
Does not work on P4000 (Canadian Mogul)

I tried it on my P4000 (Canadian Mogul), I manually started the calibration and once that finished my screen failed to work. I tried soft resetting and calibrating again and still no luck.

Any thoughts?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! Of course it won't work this way! :) You shouldn't start calibration.exe. Instead, you should use MouseEvent.exe.

Now you should softreset the device and run MouseEven.exe.

BTW, why you didn't use shortcut in the Programs?

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ww2250:
Don't know it's only me or not, it seems that when entering text using the keyboard SIP, the visual cue (i.e. when you press a button, it blinks and turns to black for a very short while, thus providing visual feedback on what was typed) almost don't occur at all.

Since they keyboard is so small on 2.8" screens, I have to be very focused on what I am typing on the Keyboard. Without the visual cue, I always hit the wrong key without knowing after the whole word or even sentence is completely typed. It's even worse when I entered passwords.

I am on a Trinity. Anyone else noticed this? I guess it has to do with the 200ms delay the program introduced. Just hope that efrost is working around these SIP problems.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raphael02:
In my P3600 absolutely does not work. Indeed just plug on the program crashes the PPC
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Please, explain more.

How you've installed it? What have you started. What have you seen on the screen. What does it mean "crashes the PPC"? :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] KarhU:
fTouchFlo works perfectly on my Hermes (apart from some glitches mentioned in other posts like transcriber not working etc.)

Considering the future development of this app I think something like dual speed scrolling like in PocketCm would be nice (i think in PocketCM it works that way that short flicks in the middle third of the screen make short and slower scroll, whereas longer sweeps make fast scroll to that direction.

I am quite happy with way fTouchFlo works now eg. waiting for 200ms for normal action, though maybe if this is user changeable as well we can converge to more convenient grace period before normal screen tap reaction.

What was in my mind when seeing this app and its potential is:

I would like to see a possibility to create our own gestures (like mouse gestures in popular browsers), save them and attach user definable keyboard shortcut (For example Ctrl+Cand Ctrl+V) or a link to a program to it (so you would be able to choose which program will be launched/which action will be taken upon execution of the gesture. I am no programmer but I think that should be feasible from the technical point of view. If it was possible to define gestures for predefined programs that would be even more practical, but also more resource consuming and more challenging to code. I think if it worked in a way i propose it would revolutionize the way PDAs interact with users with bigger impact than iPhone. Imagine for example being able to close running program by doing Z movement around your screen or alt+tab switching running programs by making circular gestures on your screen. However I do not know if there are system wide shortcuts in WinMo like in desktop Windows.

I know fTouchFlo is still an alpha but there is large potential in it and that is the way how I think it can be used.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fablife:
Thanks efrost. Im an idiot and did it the more difficult way :)

seems to be working now. I'll play around with it and report back any issue (if any).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mshnayde:
want to reduce millisecond response time

Hi,

Is it possible to reduce the millisecond response time from 200 to something lower before the normal windows functions are activated.

i couldnt find a registry entry for it.

thanks for any suggestions

michael
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
Ignor List

Efrost,

My congrats!!!! Works great on my 8125 (Wizard). Only thing I can think of is an ignor list. Maybe setting up an .ini file or adding it to your config would work. That would relieve the burden of getting it to work with everyone elses program. I agree that PocketCM and keyboard have the issues as explained above when working with your program. IMO, I think that for programs already executing a "touchflo" this would be the best way around it.

Great Job!!!

Curious George.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freddex:
This program is very good! Just what I've been looking for. Now I don't have to tip my tumb to the extreme to reach for that narrow little scroll bar and mess with my browsing mood anymore.

All thanks to your dedication, Efrost.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jompao:
Intersting app but scrolling does not work that well.

It's not like using the scrollbar. If you see part of a picture for example you can't just scroll a little to see the full pucture, it kind of changes the page to next page, to show the previously not shown part of the picture, so it's impossible to see the full picture, if you understand what I mean.

It sure has potential.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200mpx:
Great work! That is everything I wanted from TouchFlo - the scroll! But it will be greater to implement in the future the kinetic part of FT scrolling.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200mpx:
efrost

If you are interested in stupid :) suggestions of person that understand nothing in programming here they are:

It will be great to implement iPhone TouchFlo principle - if you touch, it is equal to action, if you touch and hold - it is scrolling in every direction you want.

You can ask me - how about tap and hold menu? I imagine it like that - you have two types in your app - TF behavour and normal behaviour. If you can implement gestures in your app we can use a gesture to switch between this to types of behavour instead of 200ms touch. So we use touch and hold to scroll (without 200ms limit) and tap to launch (action) and if we need to tap and hold we switch the type of behavour by a gesture to normal one.

Please do not blame me for stupidity :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Dear friends!

Alpha-2 version available!

See first post.

Thank you!