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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] miikkee221:
avot mv

is there a newer sofeware for avot.mv for window mobile 6? i have the htc kaiser TyTN II

and it now working for me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
I think and hope its the same procedure like here:

At first you need a network provider who sells this service and here in Germany you need a newer SIM-Card called U-SIM (with the ability to serve UMTS)....that quiet all

Tan you must choose in your Kaiser under start->control->personal the "Telephone Icon" and there go to the ..hm..its called "BAND" here in Germany and choose the 3G/UMTS or how is it called in the USA???

Greetz, JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XzaniX:
Hi Thanks for this advice, I'll try your suggestion and let you know... I've just upgraded to the same ROM, Radio as you have to make sure I have the same conditions... my Kaiser just returend after 6.5 weeks at HTC repair center and they haven't done anything on the device!!! Nothing!!! and have exactly the same problem as you all are describing here :-( So this is my last try before getting really "*%"!** :-(

I'll keep you posted, as I also need to try on several locations for several days before having the problem showing up after a hard reset...

Thanks anyway.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] XzaniX:
OK... sorry, doesn't help on my Kaiser, after upgrading to the same ROM&Radio, and skipping the Network Wizard, done setup manually... still the same f***ing behaviour... £G on signal OK, no call nor data possible... OK, I have to fight for a refund. Thanks anyway.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bmueller77:
Well, i tried to do calls from home and at work and it never worked until i performed the steps described before. Maybe some (maybe all of you) have another issue, but this worked for me and i am using automatic 2G/3G-mode regulary now without any problems.

As i said, i cannot say what additionally setting is set by the wizard that caused the issue to my device. As described before it should not affect the GSM-settings. Just the developer may know...

Maybe my way helps some of you. If not i hope you'll find a fix for your issue soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ves:
I had the same problem. Send my TyTn II to repair and got it back (on the 2nd attempt) with a far better 3G receiving. Seems the chips regulating this is weaker on some phones then on others and on some even breaks down.

My advice send it to repairs, and keep sending it untill they a. fix the chip (read. replace the board) b. send you a new phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
No voice/video/data calls on 3G

I am on T-Mobile Hungary and just been back to a European and African trip visited several mobile networks. Sad thing is my 3G is gone. I realized it in Brussels but when I got back to Hungary It did not work here either.

I did the Hard Reset and skipped the Connection Wizzard but the problem still exists.

What is the solution? Do we need to send back each and every Kaiser to the factory? Something is really wrong if you take it abroad!!! :mad:

How long does it take to get it back from the factory?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Funny, this problem started with my Tytn II a few days after retuning to Germany after a trip to the US (Florida, Orlando area). But only after i started flashing again (from Dutty's No.7b to v3)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
more on the issue

I have the original ROM burned by HTC and seems it does not really depends on the ROM versions. Seems we have a hardware issue on some radios. Another strange behavior is when I set band to AUTO it so often changing between 3G and EDGE even if I have full signal strength on 3G. This is abnormal.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Ok, this is really weird:

I packed up my Tytn II today to send it in for repair. I put the Sim-card into my old hard-reset XDA Trion (aka Hermes aka Tytn) and it showed exactly the same behaviour!!

The Hermes worked perfectly till December, when I got my Kaiser.

I called O2 germany and they couldn't make sense of it either, as I already have the newest Sim-Card standard.

Will tell you as soon as i get more info.

I attached a photo of my new/old Sim-Card

BTW: Both are O2 Multicard's where you have up to three cards with the same number at the same time logged into the network and can choose via web or gsm codes, on which phone calls/sms/mms etc will arrive.

Top old, bottom new
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
I already sent my Kaiser to the Support last Saturdaymorning to

Brightpoint in GERMANY

and now i am waiting.

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Hi! HTC told me to send it to CS Communications (germany). I bought my HTC Tytn II (unbranded) from Amazon.de where did you get yours?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
Hi,

i got my Kaiser from www.handit.de and at first i talked with the HTC-Telephone-Support and they told me to send it to the same CS.

But Handit.de wrote me that it would be faster to send it directly to Brightpoint.

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Ok! Thank you!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] richied:
re: problem appearing after traveling out of your home region

Brevi,

your problem seems to correlate with mine somewhat. I don't have an older 3G device to test with by swapping the sim, but my old razer works fine with the tilt sim. Anyway, my 3G issue started when I traveled to NH once..probably causing it to roam. It (3G)hasn't worked again..EXCEPT for a 3G region in central MA...wondering if the bug involves the sim not switching or accepting parameters back to the home region once you roam out of it...just brainstorming a bit. I will be getting a replacement tilt today as I am within the 30 day window still. We'll see then. Is there any way to make a poll here to see how many people are having 3G problems does anyone know?

rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
The issue with roaming got me thinking. I live in Aachen, Germany. It's very close to the border of Belgium, Holland and Luxemburg (the drei(three)-länder(countries)-eck(corner) so much for a lesson in german ;-) ). I sometimes drive to Belgium to get coffee (it's kinda cheap there and a nice short trip) I have been there before with my Tytn II, but not since the problems started. Also i can roam a few networks there, which I can't in Germany, where I am restricted to O2.

Will try in the next few days and let you know. Wish me luck.

edit: Oh I just tried some Vodafone Sim-cards i have flying around, cause i got a phone much cheaper with the contracts. UMTS calls in/out work perfectly with the Kaiser and also the Hermes!!! So i guess this definately is a network issue with my device. Called O2 and now will have to run some test calls tomorrow to report to them.

They just won't believe me, will they? ;-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] richied:
replaced my tilt yesterday

Hi,

I just wanted to post an update, I replaced my tilt yesterday under the 30 day trial, also they swapped the sim card for another. I drove to 2 different 3G areas and it worked fine in 3G mode with the stock at&t rom. I spent last night reflashing back to Dutty's v7b and restoring my applications etc. I will drive to a 3G area today and verify it still works, edge is working fine here at home. Interesting note, the radio that was on the new device with the stock rom was 1.27.12.17...which I had changed to on my first tilt. Either AT&T updated to this rev..or possibly does the radio follow the sim card? Would the radio rev move to the new sim when they moved my contacts to it? Not sure how this is all managed.

rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] richied:
still working with dutty's

I drove to a 3G area today while running google maps and it picked up and switched to hsdpa without a hitch. I made a few calls and verified the speed (1.5mps) so it seems to be working. I'll be traveling out of state tomorrow night probably to the same area where it broke before. Will report back on the results.

rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
key question

Let`s see what we`ve got here.:

1) Seems it happens when you travel to a different 3G network

2) Seems it happens with different ROM versions (1.27.12.11, 1.27.12.32 ..)

3) May depends on SIM cards ( old 2G sim for 3G or a new UMTS- USIM)

4) May depends on the Mobile operator. (Problem with T-Mobile, O2...)

5) Does it happen ONLY on unbranded HTC Kaisers or has it ever happened to Kaiser type mobile that was bought in the shop of the mobile operator?? (key question)

no real software solution ?:

Sorry to say but HARD RESET and skipping connection wizard DO NOT solve the problem on all device. I have tested it yesterday, no luck.

Still need more tests... HTC factory should wake-up out there in Asia...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
1) It happened to me at home in my home area and I am sure it worked fine in the beginning

2) You mean different Radio Versions :-)

3) I have a new USIM

4) I use the german E-Plus Network, but tried T-Mobile and Vodafone too -same Problem

5) my Kaiser is unbranded

Hard Resets and skipping the wizard doesnt work for me!

The Telephone-Support of HTC told me that they know the problem and i have to send it to their Service.

I am still waiting, today one week is over!

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
1) Happens to me anywhere I go (no 3g calls/data unstable/2g works)

2) Diffrent Radio Rom does not change the situation

3) Have (according to O2) the newest Sim card

4) Tried with Vodafone germany Sim - no problems!

However I did not use Data with the Vodafone Sim, because it's very expensive.

5) I have an unbranded HTC Tytn II. But have exactly the same problem with my Hermes.

No difference when doing hard-reset and skipping conn wizard.

I still haven't managed to do the test calls O2 asked me to do..will do so this afternoon.

I read somewhere, that an UMTS handset, when making a call, starts with the lowest possible transmission power and works it's way up until able to send the call. (To minimize SAR)

GSM works the other way around. Maybe the problem is connected to that? On dutty's v3 there is a program called "field test" which might help analyze what the phone does, but I have no idea what the readings mean. :-)

Greetings

Brevi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Hi!

Guess what, the problem automagically fixed itself.

I switched to 3g about an hour ago and everything works fine again.

So I guess, this definately was a network issue with my device.

I will post imediately, if the situation changes.

If I can run any tests for you guys, please let me know!!

My Rom, at this time, is Dutty's v3 and Radio 1.27.12.11.

Device is HTC Tytn II (unbranded) 090807(RB01)/EU

I guess after all, scrificing a goat to the god of mobile devices was a good idea! ;-)

Good Luck!

Brevi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
lucky Man

ooh, my friend what a lucky man you are :) I'm just hoping the T-mobile will be as smart as your operator. Anyway, please let us know if anything changes!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] richied:
Great News!

Brevi,

heres to hoping it stays working..there is definitely something going on with network compatibility on some phones that they aren't admitting to. I read in the AT&t forums of people with Nokia's having similar problems...but it doesn't seem to be really wide spread otherwise there be 3Gclassaction.org web site some place by now:-). I didn't go out of state tonight so no update on my end, but even edge seems to work faster on the replacement tilt.

good luck!

rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Hi! After a couple of hours of usage, here is my report:

3G calling is 95% working, which is pretty normal for my experience with the network of O2 Germany. However, I noticed that incoming SMS sometimes would come in about 30 Minutes after they have been sent. Also the 3G data connection is not as stable as before and sometimes won't even connect. Very annoing when using ICQ.

I hope this is caused by O2 technichians struggling with base-station software upgrades or something like that and not by my Kaiser.

I talked to an O2 technician on the phone the other day and he was surprised, about the high amount of error reports in their system.

Guess I will send my beloved Kaiser in anyway, if the problems will continue next week.

BTW: I will open a thread concerning the combination of Kaiser and O2 Multicards.

Have a nice weekend everybody!

Brevi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
This is the thread about the O2 Multicards I just opened:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=360656
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
changing mobile operator

Before sending my Kaiser back to the factory I am gonna check different simcards from other mobile operators and if there is at least one which works on 3G properly I leave it in. Sorry T-mobile !!!! In such cases all subscribers should say this to the mobile companies to WAKE-UP and do something for it. I pay for a service which they do not provide.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
Thats what i have done before i sent it to the Support:

Normally i use my E-Plus SIM but to check out i tried

T-Mobile and

Vodafone

in GERMANY on exactly the same positions like with my E-Plus SIM and.....

SAME PROBLEM :-((

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
testing on Hungarian mobile networks

I have just finished the tests with Hungarian Vodafone and T-mobile sim cards and the result is disappointing.

No calls/data/ at all. Both fails on 3G/HSDPA.

However 2G is Okay.

Seems It doesn`t matter what type of sim or mobile operator you use.

Now some of you have already sent the mobile back to repair. I will wait for you guys until it arrives and if 3G works fine I do the same.

Would be good to know how HTC repair them...software or maybe a hardware issue...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
3G/UMTS not working

...thanks for your Tests

I will report as soon as i get my beloved Kaiser back from Support.

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peterkiser:
My 3G story

Hi Brevi and 3G bug infected guys,

Don't know if this helps but here is my story:

- Got my Tilt still locked to ATT -

- Ulocked it by using ATT code (by Ebay)

- got SIM form FIDO network in Toronto -

ROM flashing:

- Couldn't ger hardspl (white screen), instead got SPL: 1.0 OliPof from here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=354061

- My first ROM was - Dutty v3, I like his ROM

- Don't know exactly - if immediately \ or much later - 3G stopped

- Now I got full 3g bars but no data/ dialing

- I've tried all possible RADIOs and ROMs and manual/auto settings,

- Took it with me all over Ontario (province in Canada, I travel a lot) to check areas - no 3G everywhere,

- Fido people have no idea what I am talking about .. :eek:

Don't know if any of above matches your problem, hope that we can find similarity to debug the problem
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peterkiser:
Network problems ??? on 3G

OK guys,

I tried 2 different SIMs on my unlocked Tilt. I tried Canadian Rogers and Fido SIM cards, both networks are actually Rogers (they married) Both SIM cards performed the same - 2G OK, 3G nothing. I found this : http://www.pocketpcaddict.com/forums/front-page-content/21175-rogers-having-problem-3g.html

Don't know what to think about this yet..

PK
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
actual Info

Good Morning from Germany,

i just have spoken with the responsible Technican from Company Brightpoint and asked for my beloved Kaiser and he directly answered me, that he will change the mainboard directly and send the Kaiser back today :-)

That UMTS-Problem is well known there!!!

Happy Greetings ;-)

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
mainboard..

so it is a hardware issue or at least that`s the quickest way to get it working properly. I wonder how many fellows are still suffering of this out there.

In fact, it was not a good point for HTC as all the big telcos are selling this type all over the world.

Let us know when you have tested on 3G and with some travel. Thanks for keeping us posted.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] s'pht:
I was having this issue with my At&T tilt - got it replaced under the 1 year warranty (next day shipping of the new handset was $15) and it's been peachy ever since.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikebraeuer:
3G out after radio and Dutty's rom flashing

Almost to the "T" my story.

I was running Dutty's roms, 6, 7b, v.2, all on Radio 1.27.12.11. I then flashed a new radio for Dutty's v.4. I've been flashing and reflashing roms and radios ever since just looking to get 3G to connect and actually place a call. 2G works great: data, voice. With 3G: nothing.

Surely we don't need to run home to momma (ATT).

What radio were you using and when did you notice the change. What radios have you run?

I've flashed .09, .11, .17, .12.32, and .15.32

Anybody out there make sense of this?

*UPDATE*Talked to ATT. They decided that it was hardware issue and warranty replaceable. I reloaded original rom and sspl per kaiser wiki. Everything went off without a hook. ATT send me a new handset in less than 24 hours. I've got the new one up and running now. Really not much of a hassle. I would advise reloaded OEM rom and SPL or they will consider the phone out of warranty.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Funny, It happend to me also after flashing a new Rom. In my case from Dutty's 7b to v3. I always thought this was a coincidence, but maybe not. I think I will definately send my phone in, as it's still acting funny sometimes. It's only in a certain cell and only on O2 Germany, but I got some Wifi and now sometimes also GPS trouble.

I will be stuck with my old Hermes for a week then. Oh how I hate that old piece of junk now, that I had a taste of the Kaiser :D

JoBi, did you already get your Kaiser back from Brightpoint?

Greetings from Germany!!

Brevi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wc3sam:
i just got a replacement tilt and it has a old rom replaced do to 3g not working now waiting to see it i get in trouble for changing the rom on old one well anyway here is what rom its has

rom 157.502.2

rom date 8/25/07

radio 1.27.12.11

protocol ver. 22.44.88.07H
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
Good Evening to all,

i am very sorry, but i am still waiting for my Kaiser, tomorrow he should be here after 2 weeks and the Technican promised me to send it back with a new Mainboard on Tuesday afternoon.

I will report directly! Have a nice Time!

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peterkiser:
3g - radios, networks, roms???

mikebraeuer and brevi: SOME MORE POINTS TO THINK ABOUT

1 RADIOS

Currently I have 14.09 with nice clean rom. But I tried them all, sometimes lost GPS, sometimes lost sound - bumpy ride with Herr Kaiser... But never got 3G back.

So maybe this is not related to radios.

2 NETWORK

I don't think it is related to network, as it doesn't dial immediately. If that was a network problem it would first start searching for network before dialing. It sees the 3G (full bars) but all I get when dialing, is some crippled little beep and "call ended" , and of course no DATA

I tried SIMS from two different networks – same problem

When back to GSM only - - no problem

3 BAND SWITCHING

There could be a problem between 2G and 3G switching. Systems like this always start on fastest network and work their way down looking for any signals.

On my ROM I have something called: Field Test (utility of some sort) it actually reads behavior of your 2G and 3G, but I don't really know how to read it yet. However all readings on GSM are ok (I think) but on WCDMA it shows: RRCStatus: disconnected..

4 ROM

Could be hidden setups in ROM that are still related either to tilt or Kaiser or network or something - the hidden setups could be incompatible with your hardware/firmware

Did you guys (flashers...;) ) try to contact Dutty and ask him if he can share some wisdom?? I sent him a note but didn't get back yet. The guy is busy I suppose..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] belmont007:
Kaiser mystery

Reading these new posts I see everyone has the same problem, 100% the same behavior of the phone and the questions are similar.

I am so much into this bug and really waiting for the root cause to be spread over here.

Hmmm, it would be good to get a HTC support guy to let us know what the problem is as all Europe and Americas are infected.

Noone likes having a 3G time bomb embedded in the phone..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] richied:
an update..3g still working on replacement phone after roaming

I just wanted to update everyone that I traveled out of state the other day to the same area where my first tilt started having 3G problems. The replacement Tilt worked fine, full voice, data and 3G with a cooked Rom, dutty's v4 rtm. So, it seems it is a hardware issue of some sort. Data connectivity is sporadic at my home location, but I am pretty sure this is localized to the cell site here...it is only edge and not 3G. This makes debug and experimentation difficult.

rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peterkiser:
I am more and more convinced that this could be the hardware, however what is causing the 3G to go bad so quickly??? Is it just a bad series or what? Can this happen again? Maybe HTC people have an answer.

I hate to send the phone back, but guess will have to.

Good luck all 3g sick puppies ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
Kaiser is back with a new Mainboard

Good Evening to all,

my beloved Kaiser came back today and they changed the Mainboard and what i can say til now from at home:

I am reachable at home again :-)

I will test it tomorrow at work and report tomorrow!

I got the Kaiser back with exactly the same ROM and Radio-Version!

Greetz,

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JoBi:
3g/UMTS better after Mainboard-Change

As I told you my in my last post, my beloved Kaiser came back from the Support with another Mainboard and my 3G/UMTS is better. I have tested it now from at home and in my office the last two days!

I´ll keep an eye on it because the problem occurs in the past not directly but after nearly 2 weeks of using the phone.

Have a nice day!

JoBi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] peterkiser:
Thanks JoBi for keeping us posted.

You're lucky one, as I can't be without the phone even for the day. But eventually I will have to send it.

Interesting the data is quite OK on the Edge (but not fast enough).

However I need 3G, that is the reason I got this phone in the first place.

I will send it directly to HTC usa (altough it is a Tilt) they will still take a look at it. Don't know if they will charge me as it was flashed so many times...

PK
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drtolson:
Hi PK... I have exactly the same problem with a Tilt I bought from eBay, but won't work here on Rogers AT&T. Do you have a name you're sending you're unit to? (e.g. someone who knows about the symptoms already?)

Thanks.

/drt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] millercentral:
Thought I'd share my experience. I too recently had a problem that started with a "Red Light of Death". With enough swapping of batteries I was able to get the device started again, but when I did I found it would no longer successufully connect to the 3G network (but GSM/Edge was fine). Uh Oh.

After going through every software solution I could think of, I flashed back to factory settings and submitted for RMA. I ended up having a conversation with a HTC hardware engineer who told me the 3G radio on the returned device had been fried, which was the reason the RedLight was on in the first place (he was at a loss as to why I was able to get it to boot again at all).

In my case at least, the only way to fix it was via RMA, as the hardware itself had failed.