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[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Hey this is an important one. I purchased a developer unit because I know how to write an Android app, and because that's what I intend to do.

It being advertised as Open Source, having a github repo and sold as 'developer edition' should mean that we have the ability to modify the software.

I hope Thomas will do the right thing, or he will lose (potential) customers, including myself. I have no interest in being stuck with a development board without SDK. And because I don't expect InDashNet to deliver an SDK, we should get the sources.
[Android Head-Units] LIx2NG:
Don't panic :) It's in every sense a full featured open source SDK -- The qustion being raised is about low-level radio and some hardware interface code for steering wheel buttons on certain car models i.e. device drivers. the APIs are there (if not and it's needed, it should; check later.) so you can do anything you want from your app.

Ubuntu is open source, but you might need a proprietary driver or codec to make the best use of your laptop. Would this render Ubuntu non-oss or prevent app development? Sure it's not ideal but I guess no. The same is true for Google's phone: the firmware for the fingerprint sensor MCU and the graphics driver for Qualcomm Adreno -- would these prevent app development or developers should reject Nexus phones and maybe all Qualcomm SoCs?

Non-oss driver is an old topic and it has many practical reasons behind it. I could go longer but hope this is enough to clarify things up.
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Thanks man, yes nothing wrong with a documented library. I can run Swig against a native lib and have an AAR containing some JNI glue to work with. I'm totally fine with that for creating end user apps. I'm not expecting nor demanding a perfect GNU-like environment like Debian Linux or whatever.

However, the current git repo doesn't contain the sources for the userspace apps and this should definitely be taken care of, or at least when the 5.1.1 sources get pushed.
[Android Head-Units] rubenjavier:
Im with [MENTION=309940]j0bro[/MENTION] here, I understand that some parts could be in the form of binary blobs, but the source to Android and the MCU should be completely open source as its been promoted since the indiegogo campaing.

this is even beneficial for InDashNet, because we (the community) are going to add more cars to the default list, at least thats one of the first thing Im planing, since Peugeot is not supported, but could be easily added, every car that has a CANBUS decoder can be added, and customizations for this cars can be made, we just need access to this very important pieces, android (user apps and more importantly, "steering wheel keys code" included) and MCU source, and like any other great opensource project, InDashNet work can advance Tenfold at the speed its now, because of the work of many...

...This is XDA, home of the best developers, and giving this community the chance to really improve an Android Head Unit from the inside for the firts time... Im pretty sure its gonna be great, and its going to evolve in ways we cant even forsee right now
[Android Head-Units] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
It is true that having some source code will be better than none. However, to truly make the device dance, we'll need access to more than just the android source. You will also need more than just a small handful of part-time developers to make anything substantial. Before you jump all-in because source is available, I encourage you to read through some of the threads regarding the Newsmy NU/NR devices and the xdAuto rom that we made. We had source for Android, the Kernel, and even the native apps (no MCU code). Admittedly our source became dated quickly and we were unable to get newer versions.

We only had a small handful of people wanting to work on the project, and we did some pretty cool stuff initially. But some of the big flaws in the Newsmy system were only fixable at the MCU level. We got little cooperation (and no MCU source), and things kind of fizzled. This is where having a lot of people wanting to work on the code comes in handy. If you only have a few people, and their daily lives get busy and/or they get burned out on trying to work without the full source, you won't get very far.

Having an API would be better than nothing, but I for one like to make UI tweaks that are only doable at the system level. I try to leverage things like the Navbar and Statusbar to provide useful/functional features (again, go look at xdAuto). You can't do these tweaks with external apps (well, maybe with xposed - but that's just modifying SystemUI in a different way).

Anyway, I'm interested in doing more work on one of these systems so long as I know there is a future in it. Everytime I think about sitting down and trying to work on xdAuto for the Newsmy devices, I can't help but think about how frustrated I got at wasting my time on RDS with an 'API' provided by the manufacturer (that didn't work BTW), and not being able to even LOOK at the MCU code to see where there mistakes where.

OH yea. At least *PLEASE* follow the freakin' GNU rules for kernel release. you *MUST* release full kernel source including any changes. Every Taiwan device/manufacturer I've seen to date complete ignores GNU licensing rules.
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Actually, I totally and utterly agree with you [emoji1]
[Android Head-Units] rubenjavier:
To put it in a concise way for [MENTION=7432444]LIx2NG[/MENTION] to pass it to Thomas (please correct me if Im wrong in anything I compile below), we need at least

.-Source of the MCU

.-Source of the kernel

.-Source of Android

.-Source of the basic set of user apps

.-Documentation, at least for the most unusual parts like MCU and changes to the kernel
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Would also be nice to have the list and specs of the components used: SoC, GPU, FM chip, LCD panel, digitizer, GPS, MEMS sensors, if any.
[Android Head-Units] LIx2NG:
OK I've got the answer from InDashNet: aux and gps mix properly. This feature is new; it works in the latest version but not in the previous one.

Cheers,

LIx2NG
[Android Head-Units] banky77ng:
Noon questions please...... How do I flash the lollipop 5.1.1 or the Kit kat ROM on this device do I just download in Sd card and hit reset buton , I don't really get the dragon part...
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Thank you thank you. I'm going to place an order for a Vw variant likely within the next week.

When you say latest version, is that 5.1.1 or latest hardware version?
[Android Head-Units] LIx2NG:
I'm not aware of KitKat support on the latest Octacore hardware -- have you got information somewhere else? It's probably better to wait for their official release of the images and tools.

Just FYI: DragonSuite by USB is the preferred method for full system download. It's fast and more reliable than SD card.

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I don't know if the mixing is a software-only implementation or if it can be backported to older hardware.

I think they mean the latest product, with 5.1.1 running on the new octacore hardware.

Cheers,

LIx2NG
[Android Head-Units] rubenjavier:
Thanks for the update [MENTION=7432444]LIx2NG[/MENTION]

Updated First Post with Audio Mixing Capabilities
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Wow, more than a day without updates here! ;)

So in the meantime I can continue waiting for:

- The unit to arrive

- The source code to be published

- Thomas replying to my questions regarding SWC support

- New exciting info from others

Hope to read something soon!
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Me too! Just ordered the Audi TT variant so should be delivered in May....
[Android Head-Units] rubenjavier:
Any info on your order?

I checked mine and says cancelled/processing/cancelled/processing (that many times and in that order), and hasn't change from "processing" since April 30
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Nope, same here. He's probably assembling them as we speak!
[Android Head-Units] rubenjavier:
Thanks, if I get updated info on the shipping, I'll post it here

...just hoping the Spanish customs dont retain my package, since it comes via DHL
[Android Head-Units] checksum123:
True, I feel the same.

Since I am no developer, I am staying away from this unit. Looks like it is still in the alpha/beta phase for 5.1. Will go with another brand
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Honestly I think any head unit / brand you go with is in constant 'development' stage and never really leaves that. Usually it's replaced with another 'development' unit. They can only develop as far as their capabilities go and so far with this unit it seems more promising than any of the others out there. All in which are dated by a year or more now hardware wise.
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Anymore updates from those that have a unit with 5.1.1? Running smooth? Is there a sleep function that delays unit shutting down fully? If so, what is the maximum time?
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
What he said... Curious myself
[Android Head-Units] transitoyspace:
I think this is vaporware. Everthing from lack of info to proper presentation is not a good sign. I would stay away.
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Lack of info? Think there's a decent amount thus far. Just sounds like to me its just a one man crew doing the work thus the slow updates. Also not sure how many units are actually out to test. People do have their lives outside this site they live. Think its just a matter of patience and time.
[Android Head-Units] CadillacMike:
I somewhat agree with the lack of info. Outside of this thread, there is almost no info. Their website has hardly any information that isn't just a list of specs.

Even this thread is somewhat confusing. If you just buy a unit what version of Android is it? Do you get 5.1 in a regular updates, or do you have to use someone else's ROM?

Also their website is kind of odd. For example, for a Jeep there are 3 units. I emailed them and asked what the difference was, and they said they were all the same, however they all have different product numbers.
[Android Head-Units] nonstop2050:
That's clear if you go to the Goolge Plus community: some people got 4.4 last year and have updated to 5.1.1. Now new units shipped with 5.1.1. It is here: https://plus.google.com/communities/115500164891031633970.

Regarding different part number, it is easy to search by car model for many people who browse by their car model to find a product.

For experienced users and dealers, they know the units are technically same. That is common.
[Android Head-Units] CadillacMike:
I didn't know there was a Google+ community, I just sent a request to join
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
It is a startup, not Samsung, Pioneer or Apple. So don't expect things that don't matter if your are a startup, like fancy marketing channels etcetera. The website serves its purpose, but it could do with some upgraded product pictures, they are of very low quality. They 'different' models are of course all the same unit, however each car make/model has a different front/bezel/fascia which gives it its unique stock keeping unit (SKU) identifier.

What sets this unit apart from many others, is the promise of decent HW components + an open source platform. Standard head units (even in very expensive cars) are based on horrific specs, because in high volumes, each $ matters. I have spoken to Tesla's chief UI engineer, they run Linux/Qt on top of Tegra3 SoCs. However, most other brands choose 5 yo hardware that still needs to serve a 10 year product lifecycle, outrageous. It is not uncommon that Android 2.3 or even WinCE 6 is used nowadays in 'modern' car navigation UIs.

If you want to have a good read, check this: http://www.teehanlax.com/blog/the-state-of-in-car-ux/

BTW And yes I am a professional UI software architect and did quite some projects for big car OEMs so I can fully agree ;)

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[MENTION=7347417]rubenjavier[/MENTION] Can you add the Google+ community link to your post with the resources?
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Google+ is where I found out about this unit. I even mentioned that in a post I made when I first started following this unit on xda.

Weird how some people get responses from indash and others don't ... Perhaps its an email domain issue? In emailing from gmail and I normally have a response in a day or sooner.
[Android Head-Units] CadillacMike:
I also emailed them from Gmail and got a response right away
[Android Head-Units] rubenjavier:
Done :good:
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
So I caved & ordered a unit just now. Here's hoping its a good one!
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Awesome bro!! I ordered mine last week but it's the Audi TT variant and not available yet. Hopefully by mid to end May according to Thomas. At least we are all in this together....
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Yep. If I can help in anway way I can. By all means am I far from a developer but if be happy to contribute in testing. Now the fun part is getting my newsmy unit fitted into my gfs vibe lol. It will fit just will require some dash cutting ?
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Hey. Anyone with a unit can you see if it's rooted and you can install MarketHelper? I am an Apple Music listener (don't hate me) and last time i tried to install on android headunit/tablet it would not allow me. I had to use MarketHelper (I think) to trick it into a phone and it worked. Let me know. Thanks all
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Hmmm where are the peeps who own this unit at?lol. May want to join the google+ community to seek answers not given here
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
Join it anyway, nice (visual) info there. I did too!
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Anyone? Like others have said...why no one contributing to this who already own a unit. this is a bit disheartening....I know there are more that 1 or 2 people with a unit.
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Well when I get my unit I can check. Till then. We left in the dark apparently
[Android Head-Units] j0bro:
I am also waiting for the unit to arrive. It will be pre-rooted so such things (fooling apps into thinking it's a phone/tablet) could be done via the Xposed framework. But atm I can't help you out, sorry! I am also curious how many people actually have one in possession?
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Any word on when you will get yours? Did you order the Universal one? I hate bugging Thomas but really want to get it ASAP....since mine is a car specific one, it was not ready yet.
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
I ordered a Vw jetta specific. In one of the emails with Thomas I was told it be in my hands in 2 weeks.

Correction 2 to 4 weeks. Lets hope for 2 lol
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
Mine is "by the end of May". Let's hope it's on schedule...likely same production run as yours!!!
[Android Head-Units] adfurgerson:
Is that the "developer" model? On G+ there was a post saying the SU daemon would need to be worked out.

Edit.... Post is nine weeks old. https://plus.google.com/112330403091632668882/posts/gYnQ3Mk53BG
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Well that will work for me. As the car that my current radio won't be on the road till then so no huge rush.

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I thing the "developer" model is just a promo they have on. Just to get the units out in the market
[Android Head-Units] adfurgerson:
I got the impression there was a wire on the developer model that was dedicated to adb connection. Whether it is not present or not enabled on the standard units I do not know.
[Android Head-Units] kwalsh24:
Hmm that could be possible. Guess once the orders are received by the ones who have placed them we can all report back with photos of what we get

Wonder if the order history is accurate on the site. Cause if it is .. Im order 14 lol
[Android Head-Units] swyner:
LOL. Well I guess I beat you because I am order ID # 11!!!! So I wonder if he has truly only sold 14 in all of this year (or since he started)....oh crap. LOL
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Imanoltxo:
Hello. How can I syncronize with activesync (cable usb) and install programs with charge the batterie of kaiser.

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MrByte:
yes, you can.

Start>Settings>System>Power then click on the Advanced tab and check the "When Device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
Start --> Settings --> System --> Power --> Advanced (tab) --> "If the device is turned on and connected to a PC....."

Check that option (translated from Dutch ROM, wording may be a tad bit different).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wattsja:
See this thread

;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Imanoltxo:
Thanks for your help.

Hello. Thanks. I didn't see. Now ok.

Bye.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] mdsenn:
Looks like the AOD is no longer shifting every few minutes to avoid burn in. I've been watching for the past 30 mins and have not seen a change- anyone else?

it's possible they just increased the length of time between shifts.. When I lock and unlock- sometimes the position changes, but not when I leave the phone locked.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] pwrmedia:
I can confirm this. I also notice they've changed the hue of the font to a cooler white entirely, possibly to compensate for a static position.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] infamous_nacho:
Each time i tried to update it say update failed after the installation android screen after reboot. Anyone have that problem?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] laureanop:
I wonder if the lack of switching positions is intentional to help with battery consumption
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] tomgreer:
I am experiencing this same behavior on both mine and my wife's Galaxy S7's since the update. I got online with T-Mobile support and the guy had no clue. After a detailed explanation of what was going on, he wanted to know if I needed to turn AOD back on. I explained it again and he got with someone higher up and then emailed me instructions on how to do a master reset on my phone. I don't think the the customer support people know anything about this and I don't know who to contact to find out if it's going to damage the screen.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] Hoggles:
The update totally broke AOD. Not only does it not move anymore....it rarely ever gets bright...even in well lit environments. Something is definitely wrong.

Just make sure to log an official complaint with Tmo. Hopefully it gets fixed soon, as AOD had to be shut off. I don't want to risk any screen burn...and half the time, I can't even see it now anyway.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] roponor:
If it is intended to, it isn't helping any. Same 1% per hour as before (as opposed to AOD turned off), measured by Battery Monitor Widget overnight.

Well, on the bright side, that's the 1% per hour I'm not going to be losing any more (at least until they fix it).

UPDATE: on the bright side, I can confirm that it's always picking a new location when you turn the display on and off again (or when the phone does it on its own for whatever reason). It might be just a few pixels off the previous one, but it's new.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions & Answers] ryokowashu:
I was able to remove the update on my s7 using package disabler pro. Back to how it used to work at the moment.

That update was driving me bonkers lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussTdesign:
First off, my tablet isn't bricked. I can boot it up fine. But when I try to install the factory downloaded software it just hangs on boot indefinitely. Similar things happens if I try to enter recovery. It goes fine until I have to press Volume ^, then it just freezes and I have to hold down the power key for 10 seconds. I've searched around and all I can find is threads from people stuck in a boot loop. Any help appreciated
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussTdesign:
A little more information. This tablet has been sitting for a while because it was such a disappointment. Before I decided I was fed up with it, it looks like I unlocked and rooted it. Iooks like I may have also tried to install Clockwork Mod on it. Trying to fix it has reminded me of why I stopped using it in favor of my nexus 7. The UI feels like it was designed specifically to make people not want to use tablets.
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
The problem probably is the How.

And unfortunately you don't give us any info on that.

Why do want to flash stock if you hate it so much?

If you have CM on there you should have a custom recovery installed.

Which one?

What's the bootloader version?

And lastly, you can boot into fastboot mode? The screen with the 3 icons?

If yes, almost anything is fixable.

But you need to give us more info.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussTdesign:
[MENTION=4968172]berndblb[/MENTION]. Thanks for the reply. It has been so long since I did anything with this tablet that I completely forgot what I had been doing since the last time I was trying to make up for it deficiencies. I seem to have gotten everything sorted. Uninstalled then reinstalled Busybox & Supersu. Then used TWRP's apk to re-install custom recovery 3.0. Install said it failed, but when I booted into the bootloader I could actually make a selection, instead of it hanging indefinitely while it tried to load the recovery. Win for me I guess. Finally able to make a backup which always feels good. The whole point of this is to install a custom ROM so that my tablet becomes more than a really expensive coffee table decoration.

The current install on my device is. Android 4.1.1, Kernel 3.1.1, & build 10.4.4.23-20121171

Any suggestions on moving forward and a recommendation on a clean ROM would be appreciated. But I can always take the time to read as well.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussTdesign:
[MENTION=4968172]berndblb[/MENTION] thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out with this. This isn't my first time to the rodeo, but I'm def not ever going to ride in the pros. Trying to install a custom rom an this tablet has really shown my how much I don't know. I'm going to follow your instructions. I will get back later and let you know how it goes.
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
I could tell. That's why you got the self-help version :D

I know how it feels. After 3 years I am fairly proficient on this device. But I still felt like a total n00b when I got the first Nexus! :cyclops:

So much of this stuff is so device specific... takes a while to sink your teeth into.

Enjoy.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussTdesign:
I have fast boot running and back-checked it via the fastboot devices. I downloaded twrp-2.4.1.0-tf700t.blob. the tried to load it. I keep getting a FAILED( command write failed (Invalid Argument)). Any thoughts
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
Plenty. Unfortunately Windows is very finicky with fastboot...

If push comes to shove you may want to try a Linux live CD or distribution and I'll add a link later, but try this first: and try "fastboot reboot" to see if you can execute anything.

Sure you got the original cable?

Reboot pc and tablet

Try a different USB port

Connect the tablet booted into fastboot and check the entry in Device Manager for problems.

Now we're getting desperate....

Boot into Android, check if you have a data connection by push/pulling a small file which you put into the same directory.

adb devices

adb push filename /sdcard/

adb pull /sdcard/filename

adb reboot-bootloader

Then see if you can do anything in fastboot.

http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...t/46090-guide-adb-fastboot-linux-live-cd.html
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussTdesign:
Got fastboot running properly on my work computer with windows 7. I've gotten everything installed up to formatting the data partition. Doing that now. Super stressful & hard not to mess with it while it makes its way through a hour long process.
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
What did the trick to get fastboot working?