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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi to all!

First of all I want to say thank you to yann derrien!

Calibration routine is done and works fine! :) So, I expect alpha to be ready today or tomorrow evening. :)

Answering your questions:

1. Now it is possible to switch between Flo (scrolling or launching applications) and standard Windows behavior using button. It means that to scroll something or to launch something you have to press a button and hold it.

I am working on gestures recognition and as soon as it will be ready you'll be able to switch modes using gesture instead of button.

Btw, if you have some clever ideas how to change modes (standard behavior, scrolling, launching), please, share it :)

2. I think it will work on VGA because there is nothing hardcoded about display width and height.

3. Landscape mode, of course, supported. :) Strange that you've asked...

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Sian:
Have been reading this thread.. interesting and can't wait to try out the alpha version.

As for change of modes, on top of hard button (don't really like this way) and 'gesture' (which i think is the easiest and most convenience), maybe can consider the following:

1) add a shortcut, which can then be place in top bar, 'Task Manager' or 'Meter bar' (feature from iLauncher - on the top of the screen) etc

2) (taking this idea from WkTask) gesture from (X) button to which ever direction define by user to change the mode.

I still like 'gesture' to change mode tho.. :)

Looking forward to your alpha release!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] copysat:
Thanx you v much i will try it wity my Kaiser
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Maggy:
I'd love to test the alpha on my Himalaya with WM6 .7.0

All I do worry about:

-is efrost fantastic or fantasy? ;-)

-would it conflict with pocketcm contact manager?

thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mismamente:
Possible drain battery?

Hi, I've installed alpha 4 and I think I can have a possible power drain. My battery was at 90%, and now, 5 hours later, 50%, using the phone as others days. Previous versions not showing this drain battery.

I have a hermes with wm6 schap's 3.54c

Anyone experiencing similar drain?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] generalriden:
why i cant see D for me bro. only S & L
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! You'll see it only when you have opened application which is in Excluded list. If you have PocketCM running in the fullscreen mode, you can toogle it to normal mode and you'll see "D" icon. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dchkchung:
Wow, quick reply. I can see the S and L. But for instance, if I am in the SMS listing, I cannot scroll thru my sms. Or when I am in the explorer.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] marttin:
Hi Mismamente,

I do not feel there is a power drain. Me also on Hermes wm6. A4 installed about 8 hours ago (90% battery) - now on 50%, BUT virtually all day my screen was on to play with Alpha 4 :D , used WiFi & GPRS quite lot, and listened music for some time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! So, to scroll contents of a window with scrollbars you should be in the scrolling mode ("S" icon). You have to start moving your finger immediately after you've just touched the screen. Actually, you'll have 100ms (parameter Delay in the config) to start scrolling.

If you'll not start scrolling, "normal windows behavior" function will start working. It means, that all tap-n-hold or selection functions will be working as usual.

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jompao:
Alpha 4 i s still scrolling way to quickly. To make this app work you need to make a kind of accelerated movement to start scrolling working, whith a quick short movement it still scrolls like to the end of a page.

Take a look at how fingerscrolling works in Opera mini. It detects a preassure on the screen but if you start moving the finger or stylus (without removing the preassure) within a certain time a tap is not executed instead you navigate around on the page. Works really nice.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] finthamoussu:
PocketPlus 4

Hey guys, take a look at the new version of PocketPlus:

http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/pocketplus

They implemented smart scrolling, like FTouchFlo does, but also has Kinetic effect.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! Try not to release your finger and window will be scrolling with the speed as you're moving your finger.

In the Opera there is no "selection" and "tap-n-hold" functions so that's why they've implemented scrolling this way.

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Sian:
efrost

I open PocketCM using FTouchFlo.. but it didn't select the skin I want. Any idea how to do so?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! I've just looked there. They're using different approach - they're substituting touch.dll with pocketplustouch.dll which invokes original touch.dll. :)

I just don't understand why they support just a limited set of programs instead of support all windows where are scrollbars. :-\

Instead, FTouchFlo doesn't make any changes in system!

The choice is yours: to continue with FTouchFlo, which is still not bugs free but free of chare + doesn't make any changes in the system, so you can turn off it at any time, or to purchase PocketPlus. ;)

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! FTouchFlo is not connected with PocketCMs skins. :-\

Do you have Exclude:PocketCM in the FTouchFlo config file?

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] arasu3:
efrost,

I did try the pocketplus solution earlier, for me, I still prefer FtouchFlo better. The alpha 4 is really a big step forward n it works beautifully across all the apps, which is what we all want. The scrolling is bit better in the pocketplus, but apart from that I still prefer ur implementation.

Keep up the good work man, this is really great app.

Regards.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200mpx:
> I just don't understand why they support just a limited set of programs instead of support all windows where are scrollbars.

To have scroll only in their own apps and standart wm apps and to push people to buy spb products. If their scroll will work with 3rd part apps it will make them better and spb will have nothing from this advantage.

Tried it but have returned to Mobile Shell and FTouchFlo that rocks :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200mpx:
Just one question: why FTF scroll differently in different apps - for example I nearly have a kinetic effect in Inesoft AddressBook and very slow and short scrolling in Resco Explorer?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi!

PocketPlus doesn't support MSWord and Notes, for example. :-\

Anyway, it is possible to implement smooth scrolling with kinetic function, I just don't have much experience with UI (all the time working with system programming), so I've just implemented line-by-line scrolling so far instead of tumbtrack way for smoother scrolling.

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hamstarz:
hey efrost:

thanks for the reply and the hard work. i don't have time to do this right now, but later on today i can try to take a video of the problem and then post it to youtube so you can see what i mean. basically what it looks like is this: start slide2unlock (or regular unlock), unlock, everything is fine. do it a few more times and everything is fine. but then sometimes coming out of unlock randomly it freezes the touchscreen and the phone :eek: I don't think it's a bug with the internal structure of the program, because i definitely had no problem with the previous 3 alpha versions. anyway, i'll try to take a video later on today when i have some time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
Feature Request

eFrost,

Have you given any more that to a horizontial left/right swipe to change pages or tabs when a horizontal bar is not present?

Maybe extracting the left/right arrow commands?

Curious George
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] elgreek84:
Just to inform some of you out there who were asking about 1 line scrolling - I just realized that if you scroll down (normally) but not let go of your finger (keep it pressed once finished scrolling) you can then drag the screen up or down pretty accurately.

For efrost: many people were asking for kinetic scrolling - would it be possible at this stage just to flick your finger and make it do that - i know the touching and holding wouldn't be possible because of windows "right-click" function. hope this all made sense

**side note**

are any other mogul owners out there with the efrost ftouchflo getting more stable ram management? am i crazy or does ram seem more stable than before? i'm hovering at 18 mb throughout the day.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] emch:
coz i want the scrolling function~
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] finthamoussu:
If I use PocketPlus, is ony becouse of the Kinetic effect in smart scrolling, the rest of PocketPlus, is uselless for me.

So, the cuestion is, do you have plans to include Kinetic effect in FTouchFLO? as it gives a great feel to the UI.

Once again, GREAT application, keep working...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Daanmannetje:
I just can't get it to work on my XDA stealth.

I installed v4, and when I try to start it it wants to calibrate, which works, but gives the following error:

"Bad calibration data. Try one again and point more precisely, please."

Then my touchscreen doesn't work at all and I have to soft-reset.

If I use calibration.exe in the program files folder, it does not give a error, but when I start Touchflo it want to calibrate again (with error)

Am I doing something wrong?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hitreg:
Hi, very great work, this is the most powerful utility of touchflo.

I notice a problem, with resco Photo Viewer Pro 6.33 scroll don't work in browser mode, it give some problem also in viewer mode.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] c_shekhar:
The pocket plus does not work even with resco explorer. Whereas efrost's ftouchflo works with it. I favour ftouchflo over pocket plus.

Continue working on it bro!.

Kindly resolve the horizontal scroling also. It does not work on my hima..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SciFer:
Great Work!

efrost - just want to say thank you and let you know how much your work is appreciated. Donations are definitely coming your way.

Fact (IMHO) your program, I believe most of us would agree, is much more superior. The other leans more towards bloatware, yours does exactlly what we want.

Again thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! I think I've solved all problems with calibration - it is possible to use Windows calibration routine. So, in next version will be without FTouchFlo's own calibration! :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! Not so clear... Horizontal scrolling doesn't work at all or you still have problem with horizontal scrolling in MSWord, Programs, Settings etc?

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! Do you have Photo Viewer cab?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gemblaster:
I have not posted yet but have been watching the development on this VERY promising app. I tried V4 on my Hermes200 Tytn as the reports have been much better.

-The calibration is picky but works fine on Hermes.

-I get TWO Icons in the Programs menu, and Two in the Start menu(nice to see this fixed right from cab install, or make one a UI to set up what programs people want started with finger gestures, a customizer like the HHC)have not tried to set this up or use it yet)

-I see no other way to stop app from running once started other than SR(nice to have a out without SR)maybe through task man;) )

I have always wanted a way to scroll with my finger since the FIRST day I got my phone, so THANK YOU VERY MUCH for this great app:D .

Just one small improvment and the rest I said is liveable the way it is.

Can you make the scroll responce react in the same way as the scroll bar please?

When I scroll with finger if I flick quick, of cource it shoots me to the top or very bottom of the page. Even if I do a slow slide it scolls in what looks like pre-set incriments, unfortunatly skipping a little to much of the web page or what ever I am trying to read:( . This makes it almost unusable for web reading for me as the incrimental jumping is to spratic at this point, and skips to much of the page.

It would be the ULTIMATE if you were to make it possible that once the finger has promted the slide it will LOCK on to the page at that point and UNTILL you lift the finger off you can slide your finger as fast/slow as you like and the page will scroll at the SAME exact rate as your finger does! Just like the scoll bar does with the stylus or a laptop that has a touch pad that lets you scroll the page as well;) .

PS- I also notice that if trying a SLOW finger scroll, if I go ove a Hyper link on a web page it opens up that site! To make this the most usable for finger scrolling there should be a way that untill the finger is let off, the links should be disabled.

I can hardly wait for this app to be PERFECT! I have waited a long time to see this come. Great job, and keep it up please.

My2cents...

Gem
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] deswr1:
Can i install the touchflo on a wm5 mda compact3 ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
Hi! It works almost like you've described :) Just move not exactly the same as your finger.

A few posts ago I said that now scroll implemented just line-by-line and I am working on thumbtrack scrolling (like if you're dragging a thumb of the scroll bar.

I'll keep working! Don't worry!

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] efrost:
I think so. There is only one phone which doesn't works for now... But I already have some ideas and may be it will be working really everywhere! :)

Try, please, and post here your experience.

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] deswr1:
compatiblity

OK i'll try it in a bit. thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] deswr1:
I installed it but it did'nt work, the message "An unhandled error has occurred in the shell, attempting to restart the shell" ???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] deswr1:
efrost, am i suppose to install some other touchflo software first before i install your one or does your cab contain the touchflo skins as well ???:confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200mpx:
There is no skin - it's just an app to implement scroll with fingers and launch apps by gestures. It is not a cube!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gemblaster:
Thanks for the quick reply efrost.

After what you said I just tried it again, and now I see I had to heavy of a finger on the flick, that's also why I needed a app like this, for my big bulky fingers LOL.

OK, it now works enough to scroll to read web pages, GREAT! Two things I noticed efrost.

-Since I had to SR to stop your app the last time, when I launched the icon again I had to recalibrate all over again, I guess this will happen everytime. (a bit of a pain since a SR everyonce and a while for power users is enevitable, if this comes out as a installable cab I would think this will sort itself out)

-I gladly wanted to try your app on a program called "Pocket e-Sword". When the program launched, your little S icon greyed out and any screen touch features went DEAD. Hard & Soft buttons still worked so I had to SR again to get going. PLease see if you can get this program to work as well with your GREAT app.

PS-Pocket e-Sword I have installed to the SD Card. I thought this info may be helpfull as I remember someone else mentioning a similar type freeze up. It may have to do with card installed programs, or the main program installed on device, and the program resources installed to the card which I think is the configurantion that I have now.

I hope this helps. I want you to know that you have done such a GOOD job up to this point on this app, that if I had no freeze ups on any of my programs, I would have it live on my phone running in the background right now today waiting for the next great improvment by you:D !

Gem
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
@efrost

What do you think of this idea???

CG
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] evojulz:
Hello again efrost ;)

Well I’ve been using a4 for a little over 24 hours and I’m impressed, way more stable, launching it great, scrolling works fine (granted you will work on kinetic at some stage).

People have noted possible battery drain issues, I may have noticed this, this morning my phone alarm didn’t go off, the phone had frozen :eek:, after S/R I see the battery is at 10%, strange as I hardly ever let it get this low and in suspend mode over night the battery status hardly changes.

Issue: I haven’t been able to get a single toggle between S and L to work. According to your instructions if I move from move bottom 1/3 of the screen up past ½ way and back down to bottom 1/3 within the GestureWaitingDelay time it should toggle. Nope can’t do it, if I keep trying really hard it just gets confused and slows down or opens one of my launch up/down gestures.

I know you are busy coding, but could you make a youtube vid to help illustrate?

Thanks again :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jolas:
The phone has frozen a few times for me too...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] generalriden:
as of now i do a soft reset coz my ATOM pure has frozen while my Ftouchflo is on the "S"mode for quite some time. i will try to monitor the battery tonight to confirm if this have issue to me.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pl55:
Yes I have noticed since installed TouchFlo, my battery has drained very quickly - 100% from 8am - to 5pm - with normal usage - at the end of the day 50% left whereas before install Touchflo - 90%. It would be nice to fix this problem.

BTW, great app - a must have app for all touch PDA.:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] michd43:
efrost, small issue. If I have flashlite installed on the storage card, it will not launch Slither's Cube unless I go and open flashlite first. Then no problems after that, until I do a soft reset. Then back to square one.

However, if install flashlite into the device. No problems at all. Is their a way to fix this? I want to free up space on my device.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Azimuth21:
Update

so as you responded to me on post #217, one can exclude based on what the titlebar says (for example Exclude:Programs will exclude programs menu) but what I'd like to request is if you could somehow add the ability to know what links are in the start menu? That'd be useful to me because in my "Programs" menu, I have a "Games" subfolder, and I'd like to exclude the entire contents of that Games folder. I have many, many links to ROMs in there, as well as a few other games like pocketSand and Wolfenstein3d, all of which require stylus input in some way. I really don't think that I'll have the patience to go through and add every single one of those to the Exclusion list... Perhaps you could come up with some sort of workaround for that?

Also, I really like the icon on the titlebar indicating what mode we are in (Scroll, Launch, Disable) but I'd like if you could toggle between Scroll, Launch, AND Disable. Either that, or just some way to quickly toggle FTouchFlo on and off, which would be really useful in several situations.

Finally, is there any way to allow the use of scrollbars as priority over FTouchFlo? Sometimes when people borrow my phone, they try to use the scrollbar only to find that the screen scrolls the wrong way (because instead of the scrollbar working, they've incidentally begun using FTouchFlo).

Haha, sorry for being picky, but these features would be extremely useful to me, and I'm sure some others. Thanks either way.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iggy:
Also having a bit of battery drian. Also when I in S mode and soft reset it goes to L mode then I have to switch it back to be able to scroll. Can we get the settings to stick through a SR?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinson:
a little problem

I've found a little problem in A4. That is the RightLeftAppCmdLine can't be detected, like it won't work if i put the command in the following way,

RightLeftApp:/Program Files/WkTask/WkTaskCmd.exe

RightLeftAppCmdLine:/r

However, it'll work if i put the same command in LeftRightApp instead of RightLeftApp.

Did anyone get this problem too?

Anyway, besides from this bug, A4 is fantastic. Great application.

efrost, u r my man.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] berwick:
it is a great software, nice job...thx

the finger scroll works like a charm~

but i have soem suggestion

can it have a attribute that turn off fingerscroll function in fullscreen/game mode?

after a week of using , i found that in most of the case the fingerscrool interrupt the control in games
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] c_shekhar:
It works fine in programs menu but it does nor work while viewing pictures using either resco photo viewer or inbuilt picture viewer.

Doing a great job...May you have more powers...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] evojulz:
Hi kinson,

Maybe this is too simple, but did you typo the extra 'r' on your command line: RightLeftAppCmdLine:/r

Try removing it, RightLeftApp is working for me (and others) ;)

Hi berwick

Is your game .exe in your exclusions list? If not then add it along with any other apps/games you don't want fingerscroll to interrupt.

Exclude:GameName.exe
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kinson:
Thanks for your quick reply, but i think it's not a typo. It works if i try the same command in LeftRightApp. I think the problem isn't in the RightLeftApp, is in the RightLeftAppCmdLine. Since, it works perfect if the application in RightLeft is no command in RightLeftAppCmdLine, say it going to launch PocketCM.exe.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] generalriden:
no battery issue for me after one night only 4% used on my batt life.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] KidGixxer:
eFrost is the a way to map "Scrolling" or "Launching" to a hard key? Maybe a shortcut button in the start menu?

Also if you install pBar the "Scrolling" or "Launching" button moves to the right.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DaVince:
Excellent awesome cool incredible sh*t! ;)

I love it! It's safe to say that this is now leaving the alpha stage, as it now works perfectly (I haven't really tried the launching feature since I have SPB PocketPlus).

You're next version should be 1.0 already.

Request :

Kindly add the option to get rid of the "S/L" indicator, or at least move it to a different location (like on the bottom, or on the right side since we don't need scrollbars ;) or corners).

Have the option to use gestures to toggle between S/L modes instead of just tapping that tiny icon.

This one's a little difficult.. can you implement acceleration, momentum, and friction on scrolling?

The PIE scrolling is too fast.. :( Can you have it scroll on smaller increments even with long gestures?

Thanks! :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] marttin:
I had same issue. Right-Left didnt work with command line, but Left-Right works.

I was thinking I was doing something wrong, but can be a bug too.

Check also for any space left after application name or cmd line - I noticed it will affect launcher