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[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Sure thing:D
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Never faced the issue actually. It may vary and depend on user to user.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
camera launch speed is fast as shutter speed
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
Camera launch speed is also a little slower than I expected.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
camera is fast enough.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
It's not bad.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
When you hand your phone to granny to take a photo of you, can she get the job done? Rate this thread to express how you deem the honor 5X's camera software. A higher rating indicates that the software is easy to use, fast, uncluttered, and inclusive of advanced features for when you need them.

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[Honor 5X Real Life Review] vsriram92:
EMUI provides many features. So its great.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
its a humble request to honor, please fix the missing notification problem in the lockscreen. and make RAM mamagement better!!!!!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] PalakMi:
Those issues kept me away from EMUI, running resurrection remix now.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
hw is it compared to emui?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] PalakMi:
Waaaaay smoother :)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
Emui is too heavy and could be stripped for performance
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Lots of added feautures:fingers-crossed:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
EMUI can try to add more features. Many missing ones.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
EMUI 4.0.1 did provide easy usability. Features wise, it lacked most of the features that Marshmallow provided like night light and doze options.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Doze options arent available , this is why we have less battery backup. I have hatred on honor for removing it.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
EMUI is an ok software. I just don't like that it mimics ios.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Moderate with some cool features inbuilt. Not the best but not bad either. Does the job pretty well.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
Sad that they got rid of stock browser in EMUI 4.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
not a fan of emui.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
Bye EMUI.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the honor 5X can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.

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[Honor 5X Real Life Review] prateek57:
Takes almost 2 hours with me using a 2.1a fast charger
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] xn3m:
if you have gsm battery app you can see that the phone cannot accept 2.1A,

it's the big cons indeed!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] evoGage:
Takes 2h20m from an Anker IQ 2.4A charger (1-100%) With the stock 1A charger it takes 3+ hours.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] snorkel01:
I just got mine and it charges much faster with a 2 amp charger. I am using a 5 port Aukey with one port that has the Qualcom fast charge 2.0.

I also have a Blu VIVO 5 and the Honor charges just as fast as that with the 2 amp charger. The Blu Vivo 5 includes a 2amp in the box while the honor does not.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] dschmidt:
On my HTC One and my Sony Xperia Z3 compact, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere reports something in the neighborhood of 1.4-1.7 amperes with a Quick Charge 2.0 charger, and I go from 1% to 60% in about 20-30 minutes as claimed. On my Honor 5X, the highest I see the app report is 850 mA, and it takes about as long as what everyone else is reporting. With a non-Quick Charge charger I get about 550 mA.

Edit: 850 mA is what I often see using one of my chargers. I'm using a different one right now and just now I saw it as high as 1.1 A.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] mooms:
Using an USB multimeter I can see it charge at 1A with my Blitzwolf 5 ports charger.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] nishi29:
Honor 5x L22 model take around 3 hours to charge from 0-100%.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] dgenx210:
Wish they would enable Qualcomm Quick Charge tech for this device since the Chinese market version has it by default. It takes quite a while to charge from 0-100
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] vsriram92:
Good speed with the normal 2 Amp charger. reaches 100% in and around 2hrs
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
Quite slow
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] thilak devraj:
upto the mark
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] rodolphe06:
Coming from a fast charging phone, honor 5x is quite slow. But it is OK as i use the phone normally so from 100 to 0 it last easily 2 days.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
yep they should have used some sort of quick charge
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
0-100% takes 2 and a half hours usually.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
2hours with 2A charger
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
It's still very slow
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Mister B:
Plus side is slower charge will keep your battery in better health and longer lifespan . fast charge is real harsh on the battery pack .

I find mine takes almost 3 hrs from about 5% to full when on and 4G running . You can get 60% in an hr or less which not bad .
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
VOOC from Oppo is the most efficient.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
2 hours average from 5-100% on stock charger.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
I used a dash charger. It took 1.25hrs for full charge. Amazing
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
2 hrs on average for me.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Since u have a new device. How about trying a dash charger? If u can get one or borrow from ur frns. Just give it a shot
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Tough luck. We all have normal chargers.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Oh, report me when u find one:cool:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Sure bro. I will.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Hahaha. I hope u will
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Very poor. Takes around 2 hrs 15+ minutes for full charge from 5 to 100% with stock charger given in India, 5V 1A charger.

With 9v 2a charger it still takes around 100+ minutes.(used one of my friend's Oppo charger)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
2 hours at best.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
2hr 40 min for me for full charge
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
Sloooowwwww.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
From 0 to 100 while offline, less than 2 hours.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Minions_Army:
No fast charging :D
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the honor 5X before depleting the battery.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] wickedesires:
The longest I've gotten was just under 6 and a half hours with 9% battery left when I plugged in
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
8 hr screen on time with moderate use
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] kaku85:
Great battery life
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] amirooogoloo:
If I use my honor 5x moderately, I get around 5.5-6 hrs SOT. under heavier use it's usually 3-4 hours.

also battery would last a full 24-hr day with normal use and recharging would take ~3hrs.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] 2pointDooj:
Wow, this 5x is a beast on SOT.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
5.5hours of sot 4me on average usage
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] vsriram92:
Giving me 1 day usage
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
just pulled 5hrs sot

dual sim mode,

4g active

hostsopt and vpn was active around 1hr

rest all goes to insragram and xda app and some gaming
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] PalakMi:
That's fantastic
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] lovendei:
The battery has been extremely amazing, I got this phone and got rid of my Nexus 5x. It was an upgrade in this category.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
same here, excellent deveice:svetius:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] PalakMi:
Yep you're right, but the nexus has an advantage of direct support from google (which results in a better dev support) and front facing speakers
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] lovendei:
Hence why I said in this category
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] PalakMi:
I do understand :)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] ShadySquirrel:
Best one so far, 7.5 hours. Location, 4G, lots of browsing. Running B350. I don't know if that amount of awake time is normal - like my phone isn't sleeping unless I turn wifi off...
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] vsriram92:
Now With 4G ON 24 x 7, I'm getting a day exactly on normal usage.

With my stock 2A charger, it gets charged by 2hrs.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] TouchOdeath:
moving post to correct thread.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
Quite good
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] rodolphe06:
With a lot of ROMs ( RR, crdoid,...) getting 4h30/5h SOT with still 30% left.

Of course i use forcedoze and frooze some system apps like devtools,inputdevices,timeservice and keychain.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
depends on what you do tbh
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] rodolphe06:
Yes gaming not included but otherwise heavy use to test the SOT
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
I get more than 7 hrs sot.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
5 hours

dual sim,4g+2g, mobile data always on, music,games,volte calls,social metworking amd some hotspot sharing
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Great for a dual sim device, 4-5 hours of SOT
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
What ROM are you on? That's a bit low.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
4.5 hours
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
4.5 or 4-5 ?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
4 hours and 30min :)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
6-7 hrs for me.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
U may see such as its a new device:D
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Yes probably. But I'm happy with it.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Is that a new device which u got?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
2nd hand. Used 6 months by first owner.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
So the device should loose some battery life. Depends on the user too:rolleyes:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Around 5 hours on regular usage.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
6hrs for me
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
On stock or custom?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
On stock..on custom sot is lil less...
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Exactly brother
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
I get 5 hours.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
i can get easily above 5hrs sot.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
7 hours at least.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
When you sleep, does your phone sleep, or does it stay up all night and crunch 1s and 0s? Rate this thread to express how you deem the speed at which the honor 5X's battery drains under standby conditions. A higher rating indicates that when the phone is not in use, the battery drains minimally.

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[Honor 5X Real Life Review] vsriram92:
Gives me 2 days
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] TouchOdeath:
I figure this will shake some things up. The attached screenshot speaks for itself, 100% legitimate. The SOT on this one wasn't much, it was 3 hours I believe, but I could be wrong. I'm an abnormal user, I turn my wifi/cell/gps off when not in use. I generally don't use my cell phone a whole lot.

There was one time were the phone had been on for two days and the SOT was 9 hours I believe. But again I could be slightly wrong, it was awhile ago.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
Seems like a good battery life
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] rodolphe06:
With beanstalk ROM, i got 0% drain for 10-12 hours in flight mode.

Stand by is very good.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
nice :good:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
With the use of Amplify, I get 0% drain overnight.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] thilak devraj:
even with stock, i can have drain of only a few digits.. max of 3 to 4
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Near zero standby drain at night
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Last night I got 0 drain overnight.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
Since all my reviews are based on experience from EMUI, I noticed about 4-6% battery drain over night even when using Greenify to disable to most 3rd party apps. I don't know if I should complain about it because that phone is using dual SIMs. Rating for it is 6/10.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
How long was the device since u bought?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
I noticed unusual battery drains when I unboxed it. Charged it to 100% and then would drain quickly until 50% in just about 35mins and then it would work somewhat better. It was their huawei awful software.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Mine doesn't last for more than 3 hrs
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
Almost the same story here. I had to use my phone with so much precaution so that battery doesn't drains quickly. I hated every bit of EMUI.

TBH, I am not a 'fan' of every phone company. For that reason, I may open mine in about 6-7 years with my friends. They always add one thing and exclude 2 things from the phone. ;)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
If that so ,add me up :angel:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
I just got the device so I'll update as soon as I get a proper observation.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Thanks:fingers-crossed:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
No problem. ;)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Hey , whats the device that u own previously?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
I owned a Samsung Galaxy S3.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Oh. Does s3 still have dev support? ??
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
1-2% overnight with data and wifi turned off.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
3-4 % drain overnight
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
5% overnight for me.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
4% overnight.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
1% for me.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Playing Candy Crush for 22 hours straight can take its toll on your battery (and your marriage). Rate this thread to express how the honor 5X's battery performs under heavy use. A higher rating indicates that it lasts a long time even when playing games, streaming video and audio, and doing other CPU-intensive activities.

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[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
not very good
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Playing MC5 or asphalt8 with light brightness dosent lasts the phone long, but does better than my other devices,
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Endures 5 hrs with straight heavy usage.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
4.5 hours SOT
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
I can play NBA 2K17 for 3 hrs.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
My device heatsup while playing that game
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
That's expected. 2k17 is very graphics intensive.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Can call it a battery hog
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Yeah pretty much.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Hahah .true story
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Haven't faced any lag issue or anything with heavy usage and gaming.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
on heavy usage its smooth no lag with normal heating.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
At heavy use I experience mild to moderate heating.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
heats up heavy usage.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
Very noticeable heating while gaming.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Once in a while, when your significant other yells at you, you might use your phone a bit less. Rate this thread to express how the honor 5X's battery performs under light use. A higher rating indicates that the device goes a long time when you're using the phone sparingly: no gaming or video/audio streaming, light web browsing, some calling and texts, etc.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
lasts well on standby
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Lasts way longer on single sim with wifi commected, gets around 6hours SOT
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
With light usage I can go on 8 hrs. :)
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
Light usage gets my phone running for 1 and half day
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Same with Honor 8. Can last 2 days with very light usage.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Have u tried ultra power saving?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Yes of course.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
So whats the battery stat?
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Endured 24 hrs with 6.5 hrs of sot.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Unbelievable bro. Can i get a screenshot:D
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Thats more than enough even though it is 2nd hand phone.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
battery life is pretty good in light use
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
Full day of usage with light use.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
battery is not a problem in this device.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
Can last 24 hours on light use.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Is the honor 5X as good-looking as you are (despite your receding hairline, adult-onset acne, and massive weight gain)? Rate this thread to express whether you think the honor 5X is attractive. A higher rating indicates that you would even go as far to say that the honor 5X is a beautiful phone.

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[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Romiui:
its good but i was saying if they but navebar into the bottom of screen same as samsung to get bigger view !
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
Looks the same as most phones
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] thilak devraj:
healthy design... lol
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] rodolphe06:
As [MENTION=6420167]jkccl9[/MENTION] said, looks like a lot of others. And with a cover/ protection even more.

But mÃ©tal is good, screen is good so it looks good : )

1/Fingerprint on the front could have been great with a logo inside

2/custom notification led as find7 oppo is also a good way of diffÃ©renciation.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
:svetius:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Cool desigm, but slippery as wellas rhe camera hump is pretty big
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
The looks of the device is really elegant. Especially when paired with elegant cases.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Look is one of the USP of this phone. Metal unibody is elegant enough to attract eyes
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
its nice
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Indeed mate
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
Looks good. I liked the gold one.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
looks really good..love it
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
Eye catching design.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Minions_Army:
My friend says its high end design looks like premium
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Rate this thread to express how you think the honor 5X feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] lovendei:
This phone leaves a flagship class feel in the hand and pretty much tricks everyone into thinking it costs alot. It doesn't feel gross like most plastic phones. The black border around the display is a little annoying to look at though.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itsrustlife:
One of the better high quality feeling budget smartphones out of the other varieties because of the metal build. Very respectable design and quality from Honor.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
High quality for the price range
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Good feel in hand even though its slippeey
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Metal unibody is looking awesome.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] AtaliaKetch:
Good quality metal.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
I'm amazed by this metal unibody design. I'm sure this is more durable than most phones out there.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Ahh . One man in china was saved by this phone because of metal frame on rare side:fingers-crossed:
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] sniperlife:D:
Well I hope we won't exoerience the same.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Because we don't have haters who had guns???
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] shashank1320:
Very good in this price when the phone was launched.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] hassanjavaid8181:
for its price range its good.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] chrisleLP:
I really love the metal build.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] alimir98:
its good and kind a premium
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] itisiryan:
I had a small sent on the lower side. :(
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Please, no "that's what she said" jokes. Rate this thread to express how you think the honor 5X feels in-hand. A higher rating indicates that it's comfortable to hold for long periods of time, even in one hand. Resist the urge to say "TWSS" just now. Seriously.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] venom007:
slippery as hell:D
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] jkccl9:
I use a case so it's fine
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] gopinaidu77:
Slippery at first but can be fixed with a case.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Mister B:
seems pretty good to me, back panel keeps clean and feels nice as well as looks nice.

Have the 2017 GR5 in our stores know and that looks cheap less precision construction in comparison (camera way way better though :( )

curved back makes it feel nice fit in hand and I much prefer the flat screen over curved edge 2.5G glass which easy broken and impossible cover well with films.

thing I don't like is buttons protrude too much if not using a case so hit power button almost every time handle it naked .
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] rjt378:
Recently got the Axon 7 and while any metal or glass phone will be slippery (I'd always prefer a plastic/rubber back like the 2015 Moto series), the Honor 5x feels big. It's a slab compared to the A7 which is the same size screen. The 5x is also roughly half the price.
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Wyratt:
Very slippery. The metal is nice but it gets quite warm, which I dislike. It also gets dented super easily, so after a few months is starts to feel worse because of all the dents and scratches. Mine even has a sharp protruding piece of the case that got bent out above the camera. On the upside it improves the grippiness :p
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] krispy321:
Slippery, but a case does the job
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] thilak devraj:
i prefer skins.. here: slickwraps
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Dead_Dude:
it can be slippery, that is a fact.

but nearly any case can resolve that issue quite easily.

I prefer mine naked, but the slipperiness... I've got a thin case just to avoid the scratches and slips!
[Honor 5X Real Life Review] Pain_Deluxe:
Very Slippery but fine with spiegen case