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[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
You didn't take into account the wide angle sensor. Move closer with Z5 to get field of view similar to the 6s. Als your Z5 photo is still 23MP almost twice the size as the 6s. Resize to 12MP. Take out your boyfriend again and redo the test properly. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
You can't win against sony's employees :)
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
The test is badly done. The Z5 photo has depth of field blur with bokeh on various parts of the photo and whole photo looks 'out-of-focus'. Either focus was something specific or lens is dirty making focus system erratic. Also in the cropped part you can clearly see the bokeh blur so the whole comparision is worthless. :cool:

---------- Post added at 03:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:12 PM ----------

Here is the direct link to the article. :cool:

http://www.gsmarena.com/sonys_new_z...se_a_custom_25mp_camera_sensor-blog-13806.php
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
it was a bit in the middle. Z5 is too bright and 6S was a bit darker

I don't want to take into account anything. I don't want to stand up and get a better / cleaner pic just because I have ( most don't know it ) wider angle lens.

And yes it's 23 MP and if you zoom 50% the image is till not clear at all and the level of details is mediocre with plenty of noise. If the 23MP can't take clean image then the 23MP is just a marketing gimmick and crap. HTC tried the ultra pixel 8Mpx before years ago and everyone started criticizing them.

This 23MP actually is a waste of storage and you know that. If the picture isn't as clear as 16 mpix on iPhone then I'll stick to the 8 Mpx because obviously this is the real resolution.

And I don't care if the iPhone is on ISO 200 or 1000 - End users dont know about that and they dont care.

Is it really hard to understand that it's pick and shoot ? that's what a mobile phone should do anyway. You have an event, you need to capture a picture quickly, you pick and capture and you're done. No tweaks / mods / customization / parameters whatsoever to change.

We go back to the original point, the ' SUPERIOR AUTO' isn't good at least enough to be on par with other phones with inferior specs or sensors.

The Z5P went to ISO 500 and gave me a crappy photo , the iPhone went to ISO 200 and although a bit darker, reproduced the details much better.

And BTW, the S7 is now #1 when it comes to camera 1 point ahead of the Z5P and that's the pro opinions who spent days testing so I'm not selling you BS. As much as i want to stick with Sony since I have Z,Z1,Z3 compact and Z5P and as much as I hate Samsung touchwiz and everything about it in general, the software controlling the Z5 camera is not doing it justice. It needs work.... and a lot of work.

Next time someone makes fun of my Z5 pics, I'll tell them to wait, get the tripod and spend 2 hours adjusting the perfect scene settings to " show" them what Z5 camera is capable of...

It's clear to the blind that the Xperia line can't compete with other brands when it comes to camera. Neither the IMX300 nor the 23Mpix can really help when the problem was the Camera software since the launch of the Z series.

I rest my case.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
You need to redo your badly done "tests". That's all. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
Bro you speak as if you really know everything. I'm browsing this forum since 2003 and I've had more devices in hand than you can imagine. I really don't have time to defend or attack a brand and I'm no fanboy. In fact if anything I have had all the Xperia line.

1 - Lens was clean and I made sure of that ( since I really want my device to win )

2- I didn't even make sure if the iPhone lens was clean which is a lol....

3 - If it's out of focus it's not my problem it's the Xperia problem another big flaw in the software I've always mentioned it.

4- I'll send you all other attempts I took to get the best pic and you should tell me if I'm bluffing or not.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Bro. Redo. Bad. "Tests". :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Superior Auto on the Z5 does an awful job in this situation, admit it.

Focus issues, and exposition issues. That's a lot of problems, to be honest.
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
Since you really can't hold a conversation I'll leave you with 3 shots from the Z5P in ISO 1000 ISO 800 and ISO 500 ( Superior AUTO ) But if you want I can keep trying until I get a proper shot ( lol x100 )

I think you can build a so cool opinion and keep it to yourself. Btw so glad that you're so happy with your camera don't get me wrong... lol.

http://s10.postimg.org/61cxtvy4n/DSC_0196.jpg

http://s17.postimg.org/s4y0lbnhp/DSC_0197.jpg

http://s12.postimg.org/o8gsah6sb/DSC_0198.jpg

bad test my a**...
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
Yes we can, in their face ;)

If only they really work for SONY at least they could have done something about it. I hate when they blindly defend something when it's very obvious that they're wrong.

I mean I worked for Nokia and I'm a Sony fan since years but it doesn't mean that we should be happy with everything they throw at us.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Could be better, agree. Though few issues I had on my Z5c but then I do clear camera and framework app data after system updates that include updates for camera system. Else just manual mode for me. I seldom even fiddle with settings nor scene modes. :)
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
The S7 has 26mm and the Z5 has 24mm, and I am looking at the areas that exist in both images. Looking at the first two images, you can see everything outdoors is much clearer on the S7, even if it is oversharpened. On the Z5, anything slightly right or left of the corner is already blurred, only the center where the motorcycles are is in focus. I've had the same problem with my Z5 when I take landscapes of buildings it only focuses on one tiny region, not to mention trees are badly smeared.

There's also a lack of contrast on the Z5 just left and right of the center - I would have thought it was due to the glass being smudged but it's not.
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
You're absolutely right... This is the very sad reality and you nailed it. Even a kid can tell that S7 has better camera from these pics. Long story short, it's the software to blame and it's quite disappointing and unacceptable.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Actually I think it's both the hardware and software. The sensor is good at capturing dynamic range and colours, but sharpness is inconsistent and this is worsened by the lens. The optics are just sub-par on the Z5. The S7 retains focus in a wider area, despite having a larger f1.7 aperture. The Z5 is just uneven at focusing landscapes.
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
Dammit we got kicked by the S7 ???

Z5 still has a better dynamic range and better white balance I guess than the S7.

But in term of sharpness the S7 is much much much better
[Xperia Z5 General] mgolder:
Shock horror.... Newer phone has 'better' camera..... Is this really even news to you? Are you shocked by it?!

Did you really think dxomark are doing their reviews for free out of the kindness of their hearts?

The majority, the very very vast majority are clearly fine with the camera. That is undeniable. And it isn't due to not being able to see a good or bad picture. It is due to the fact it is a ****ing phone, and most of us have realistic expectations about what a phone can do regarding photos.

You want it 'better' then write to Sony, detailing extensively what they need to improve. Send example pics. Make it a full report. They may even read it. But I guarantee they are not reading this thread and saying 'oh man this guy slagging us off is right, let's act now'.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
S7 photos are quite bad. Now oversharpening is not that horrific here due to less fine-grain detail but the post-processing has destroyed the color scheme. The gritty look and dull colors aswell as borked texture contrast makes for the cheap digital camera look. Z5 while less sharp is natural looking, has proper colors and contrast and thus despite flaws looks head and shoulder better. Though they still need to tweak the area specific NR to be better. Also great to see that Z5 keeps contrast as close to the real deal as possible. S7 tweaks the curves to give fake high ISO look making photos look overbrightened and black look greyish aswell as washing out colors. Really cheap post-processing method to extract more detail from low-contrast areas used for mediocre/low-end sensors. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] shino03:
I have to agree. The s7 photos looks like a flat canvas. I'm no expert in photography but it is only now that I realized what depth of field is which is so dramatically lacking on the s7. True indeed, it is very sharp. There's no contest to that BUT the picture looks so artificial. It's as if I'm looking at a magazine, a FLAT CANVAS.

Try to look at the fruit vendor and see for yourself how flat-looking that is. But I must say, the picture taken by the Z5 is also a pain in the ass. I hate that left blurry part.

But then, people I guess don't expect any depth of field from their phone. All they want is sharp flat photos. :laugh: And probably there's nothing bad about it.
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
The S7 over sharpening is makes token pictures good pleasing to the eye ?.

I prefer having over sharpened pics rather than having blurred and soft ones.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
I agree here too. The Z5 pics look more natural. The S7 pics really look overprocessed.

Note that, for TV sets, Samsung also tends to overprocess the image, at least when using defaut settings.

In these fields, again, Sony (and Philips) have the edge.

On the 16:9 pic, the Z5 left blur problem is unacceptable, though. As for whether this is an issue with all Z5's or just some of the units, it seems nobody will ever know, because you see it more or less depending on the shooting conditions. The pic here is a school-case example.

People returning their Z5/Z5C for repair end up with a similar problem, "slightly worse" or "slightly better", which to means to me the problem remains the same. As for the cause, either the lens is incredibly difficult to align/center wrt. the sensor, or the problem is a design problem.
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
so the IMX300 is a downgrade from IMX260 ?
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
I also don't think it's a hardware problem! you can capture pretty decent low light photos on Manual mode!

The super auto mode just doesn't work properly in low light condition!
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
So...we can come to the conclusion which the initial post that the software is lacking way behind competition.

Thanks.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
no I'm talking about the 24mm f2.0 lens. Yes it's wide so some blur is inevitable, but the S7 has a 26mm f1.7 lens and it still has more uniform sharpness. The Z5 has only a narrow area where it's in focus.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Guys, I need to mention here that the S7 comes with two different camera sensors (some have Sony IMX 260 while the others have Samsung sensor). The sample pics posted above were clicked with Galaxy S7E (exynos with Samsung sensor).

I have bought the new Galaxy S7 (exynos with Sony IMX260 sensor) as I could not resist the camera and overall speed of the phone itself :D! I can tell that the camera output of IMX260 is cleaner (bit better / detailed) than Samsung sensor. The post processing is a bit too aggressive still, although better after the latest update. Also, the stock camera app on S7 is a real joy to use with pro mode have manual shutter speed (upto 10 seconds), manual focus, ISO / exposure control etc. besides the RAW support! Sony Z5 will remain with me as my backup phone.
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
Actually the Samsung has ISOCELL which is according to many threads on XDA has a better performance than the IMX260.

http://xdaforums.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-galaxy-s7-britecell-vs-sony-t3332806/page5
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Not sure the name is ISOCELL any more.. I think it's BRITECELL but Samsung hasn't confirmed anything yet. No thread here or anywhere IMO has any verdict or conclusion regarding either of the two sensors used in S7 being superior over the other. I can only say what I have observed with the S7 (having owned S6 with both type of sensors in the past). Also, Dxomark and all other review sites, giving S7 camera the top spot, actually were given the units with sony IMX 260. Same story as last year with the S6. Makes you wonder why?!
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
BTW.... anybody knows what sensor is Z5 line using ? Ok it's an RS Exmor but only on GSMarena it says IMX300 ( wikipedia quoting GA ) and on GA they said it's unconfirmed. :

"Sources from Japan refer to the Exmor RS sensor as the Sony IMX300, but we couldn’t verify that. The chip debuts on the just announced Xperia Z5 lineup and is paired with an f/2.0 24mm-equivalent wide-angle lens."

I also couldn't find anything on SONY website or any data sheet....
[Xperia Z5 General] Pandemic:
Come one !!

Again a thread to compare a new device like the S7 againts a Z5/Z5p ><"

Wait then till the Xperia X/X performance is rolled out and compare then, this is unfair !!

Otherwise buy the S7 or a real camera !

“Sent From MWE V10.0.0 On My Z3”
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
Sorry but that doesn't make sense at all.....

What does the Xperia X have more ? it's the same sensor probably from specs.....

Also the S7 is newer that the Z5P but but has inferior hardware ( IMX260 sensor compared to the IMX300 on the Z5 ) and we still believe it's a 300.... So if anything it's unfair comparison for the S7....
[Xperia Z5 General] Allek84:
Hello guys.

I bought Z5 before few days.I was asceptic how I get the camera on Z5(cause am see many bad samples and hear bad things about Z5 camera)

Anyway I tested camera and am very pleased with the quality of photos.Still is space for sw changes and better quality but even now quality is good,decent.

Here some shots that I take :

8 mpx wide

20 mpx wide

23 mpx 4:3

two low light/night shots

total dark with flash,manual ISO 1600

macro

Cheers
[Xperia Z5 General] Pandemic:
No sense at all ?

Its just unfair, compare a brand new device withban older one and no i dont think so, Xperia X P have newer things inside, maybe a better processor then Z5 so compare XXP with an S7 thats fair !

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[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
Bro... just no.

If anything, it will have the same camera sensor and same camera software. According to your logic it's unfair to compare the Z5P with the S6 or 6s or note 5 because Z5P is newer.

For now the X/XP have the Sd820 and that's it. Sony doesn't release a flagship every decade, they do it every few months. I'm pretty sure the pics on the X/XP will suffer from the same issue as it;s been the case with all xperia phones.

SONY doesn't listen. On the other hand, Samsung did listen to their fans and brought back the SD card option and added IP68. The X performance was supposed to be the Z5 but they rushed as SD820 wasn't available yet.

The Z5P was available in my country in January.... On Feb Sony announced the X/XP. Very annoying eh ?
[Xperia Z5 General] cocagenda2:
i just bought galaxy s7 over a Z5 and went emediatly out to take some shots and i can say that xperia is mutch better with collors and day shots are just awesome and in low light it just doesnt do the job as S7 can...the s7 does make pictures warmer then xperia and also sharper and its very good in low light...for the video recording i have to give the crown to xperia cuz digital image stabilisation on xperia simply beats out every other phone.thats my xperiance... :P
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
You're absolutely right. The Xperia does a great job outdoor.

But IMO I care about indoor pics and low light conditions much more as most of the pics I take are with friends in pubs/restaurants/nights/friends place/meetings. On a sunny day I'm usually busy at work.

For me low light means indoor. I'm pretty sure the Xperia will capture great photos on the beach or on a sunny day...
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Well the Xperia has a much better camera. Use manual regularly with all on auto and you will get better low light shots. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] zegun:
i just wanna get the bold part straight

we all know Sony have lots of divisions out there

Sony Electronics (the one making the TVs, audio stuffs, cameras, etc -- aka. the big gun)

Sony Computer Entertainment (the playstation guys)

Sony Mobile (the one behind the Xperias)

Sony Music (the music recording and publishing business)

Sony Pictures (the one making films obviously)

Sony Creative Software (the one making video and music editing softwares)

and Sony Finances

now, most of us may think these divisions are directly under the flag of Sony

actually, that's just half of the story. Because each divisions runs individually

so to quote Hirai's words during Z5's release "we've been working closely with the Sony Alpha team to work on the camera in Z5"

that means, they finally managed to get to reach the Sony Electronic's camera division to take part in developing the camera for Z5

sounds good? just a bit

because each Sony Divisions i mentioned above run individually, these "working together" and "developing together" is treated like 2 different companies hitting a deal to start a single project, each companies (divisions) needs to make money for their own division.

so if we want a better camera like the Alphas in Xperias, pray that Sony Mobile have enough money to splurge for Sony Electronics to really start working their arses for another "company" -- which is Sony Mobile in this case.

so if we're asking "why the hell Sony makes crappy cameras in Xperias while their pro cameras takes awesome pictures? Cant they just tell the Alpha team to work on it?" -- think about this, does Sony Mobile have enough money for the Alpha team to work on Xperias? The Alpha team has no obligation to work on Xperias, it's not Sony Electronic's product, it's Sony Mobile's product.

Sony Mobile BOUGHT the sensors from Sony Electronics, they didnt just ask them for free.

oh one more thing,

BIONZ for Mobile is just a software that emulates BIONZ algorithm in the main processor.

it's not a hardware like the ones we find in Sony cameras
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
What you're saying makes lot of sense. In fact you are right however partially. I've worked in a 100,000+ employee companies before and I know exactly what you mean. My business unit had to pay thousands of Euros to the training center for every enabling on the job although technically it's the same cash moving internally.

But it's much more complicated than that. SONY has liquid cash and one CEO. It's about strategy. If the mobile business unit isn't profitable, either they quit or gamble and invest more. They can't keep doing the same mistake again and again.

Technically SONY mobile is buying from SONY semiconductor and on paper SONY semiconductor is showing the green numbers whereas the mobile division is in red. But the cash is still there. They're not in debt. That's my opinion and I could be wrong but probably not.

SONY Operating / Net income is still climbing. True, they are separate divisions but under one umbrella. It took them a lot of time to collaborate but so far not so good... I expected much better outcome.
[Xperia Z5 General] vagelis74:
Z5 camera is very good from outdoors day pictures but not good in lowlight and indoor even in manual mode i shell my z5 and buy an s6 edge and the lowlight photos is much better

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[Xperia Z5 General] charlatan01:
I've had no issues with shots indoors / low light. Samples?
[Xperia Z5 General] Pandemic:
Hmm oke bro well my sister have the Z5 and the colours are are more realistic then my friend his S7, the S7 is overreacting with the colours.. Just my opinion :)

But Sony dont use the full power of the camera what they should do to give us a better camera, i hope Sony wake up on some day.

Edit:

Samsung and Iphone using the Sony lens, so sure Sony will use the full power of the camera in the future... Well i hope it like we all do ^^

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[Xperia Z5 General] hawker_gb:
My Z5 on manual mode shoots great pictures inside.

I guess that is user dependent.

My wife has S7 and she would never hassle with manual mode.

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[Xperia Z5 General] hansip87:
One thing that people forget is the better zoom capabilities of Xperia Z5 due to megapixel count. I have tried to capture a writing on a blackboard at night time from a class chair for about 3-4m away and with the Z5(P) zoom capabilities, the board writing is very clear to read (3x zoom). i know maybe S7 user can do it too, but they need to do the cropping themselves and then doing that would be a hassle.
[Xperia Z5 General] Lambo16:
I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have a higher MP count than a lower MP count with better low-light capabilities. I almost never take photos in low-light and on the Z5 you really can zoom in quite far compared to other devices.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
I agree as I had the HTC Butterfly s for a long time and often wished it had more resolution. However, I think anything beyond a certain resolution may do more harm than good to image quality, unless the sensor technology steps up. That said I thought the Z5 had a great sensor but shutter lag and lens really killed it for me - only a fair section of the photo is ever in focus, even on distant objects. The zoom on the Z5 was also disappointing as it just interpolates it to 23MP form whatever the cropped resolution is, and even at 1.5x zoom I can already start seeing the artifacts. These images are only good when viewed from afar and from up close it's about the same if not worse than cropping an un-zoomed image.

Xperia X samples here, it seems to have more in focus and less corner blur, but post-processed sharpening seems over-the-top:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/04/1...mples/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
The lens is the weaker point on the Z5, as I expected before buying the device.

The side/corner blur is noticeable because it is not 100% well-balanced on the left/right sides, because of lens decentering. But there might be focus-related considerations, too.

By the way, some high-end lenses seem to be affected (from Pentax, Sony, and other brands...). Here is a random page about an issue concerning a $1000+ lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3834055

Here are sample pictures shot with my Z5C:

Trees (right side seems OK to me, top right corner is blurry):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODbjF0NUQ2TDVsams

Road with trees (look at the right side, compare with left):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODN3duZkxzRXEzZEU

House (look at the top right chimney):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODZzNCOGpaNHg2aHM

House, with phone upside down (look at the top right chimney):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODdC1zY1lJQUVVYVU

I think the blur is mostly even on my device. Not so sure. When comparing to many other pictures I found in this forum, I find this is OK. Arrrghh:mad:

I am only wondering if my device is fine or if I should exchange. Should I? I will (absolute certainty) keep a Z5 in all cases as it fits my specific needs regarding size, CPU/GPU caps for development, FM radio, TV output and 2-3 other details.

Generally speaking I really, really like the effect of the wide angle.

Correct. I notice that too. But it may be purposefully this way. Sony may just not want to apply much postprocessing.

That's very interesting.

They probably are addressing the lens performance issue with the X series. I see some haloing on the right side of the palm tree. I guess that's not 'blur', properly speaking, but just general lens performance?
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Additionnal Xperia X picture samples from gsmarena:

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x-review-1425p3.php

Still some blur/haloing on the corners. Difficult to tell wrt. the left/right side of the picture.