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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NaimC:
To tackle each of your points.

Firstly, you can't arrive at a definitive conclusion on colour accuracy based off of someone else's photos. All you'll be doing is basing your opinion off of which you think looks more accurate based on preferences. For all you know, incandescent lighting from street lamps, bulbs etc may actually be making certain walls etc warmer looking. You can't know these things unless you're there in that moment. This second round of comparisons I've done I've actually compared each shot to the environment I'm in, and can confirm that in low light so far it's been the Britecell/Isocell that has been more accurate. That's not some random opinion I've formed looking at someone else's shots, but comparing my own to the exact environment I'd just taken them in.

There's no point talking about the S6's results or sensor, because this is a new sensor with larger pixels, and as such stands to offer different results. Again, theorising it will perform a certain way because of a previous model is not really useful.

Regarding your legal right, sure you could do that. You still have your 14 day money back return policy, so you don't need to take it further than that. The reason I find your stance on this a little strange, is that given how similarly these two sensors perform, I'd rather they get the devices out on time, simultaneously in all markets, rather than stagger the release so different markets get different release dates, just so everyone has the exact same sensor. At the end of the day, you can keep swapping your devices till you get the one you want. Clearly Samsung does this for production reasons, and to me it's understandable even if not completely desirable.

Lastly, has Samsung themselves confirmed if this is a Britecell or Isocell sensor? I was under the assumption it was the former based on articles prior in the year that stated the S7 would be the first to use it, if they have announced otherwise, I'm happy to be corrected.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] dmitrimpe:
First Britecell sensors will have far smaller pixel sizes and way higher resolutions (they were targeting the 20mp threshold).

ALL of the above where among the SAME rumors/speculations hypothesizing that the 1st commercially available phone to feature the Britecell sensor would be the S7 line. Based on the fact that pixel size increased (instead of staying the same or decreasing in the expense of higher resolution) and resolution decreased (instead of increasing), I am MERELY ASSUMING(!!!) that the Samsung fabbed sensor found in the S7 units is NOT Britecell.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
Samsung didnt confirm that this isnt a britecell because theres really nothing to confirm, camera firmware itself confirm its an isocell, furthermore britecell is not even an RGB sensor.

As for the new S7 isocell sensor, improving light capture (Lens) and pixel size(Sensor) does not magically make the color accuracy dissapear, it simply means it captures more light which resolves more detail and less noise.

As for the comparisons of S7 sony vs S7 isocell, ive said i cannot be 100% sure, so theres really nothing to tackle here, but from the reviews that ive seen comparing daylight and night shots, its clear that the s7 suffers from the same color issues the s6 isocell did, which is expected since the technology of the isocell is the culprit for such issues.

Thats why i said it was very hard to compare with your shots because i dont know the scenery, so i judged it from daylight shots and night shots from other sites where i know how the color should be shaded.

I dont even own an S7 nor i plan to, im quite happy with my S6, i just dropped by to help you guys out with some misconceptions about the cameras of the phone, S7 does NOT use britecell, it does infact use isocell and the color issues present with the isocell sensor on the S7 are nothing new, they infact exist since Galaxy S5 and they are highly unlikely to ever be fixed because they never got fixed for both S5 and S6.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NaimC:
Colour accuracy can not only easily change between entirely new sensors, but even with the same product and sensors through improved software algorithms.

Also, I'm pretty sure most review samples of this device were equipped with the Sony sensor, so those examples of inaccurate colours you speak of are actually more likely be be pertinent to the Sony sensor, as opposed to the Isocell, as my own comparisons also correlate to. It's not clear at all that the Samsung sensor here suffers the same level of discrepancy as past models, you are just jumping to random conclusions based on nothing but assumption, and then ignoring the opinions and posts of people like me who actually own S7 Edge's with both types of camera sensor and have directly compared them, and ironically found the Samsung sensor to be more colour accurate in lowlight compared to the Sony sensor, overall.

Also, the fact that you don't even plan to ever buy an S7 makes your posts in here even more perplexing. You say you're in here to inform, but at least stick to facts instead of assumptions if that's what you intend to do.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
Lol i was clearly talking about isocell vs imx_260 comparison side by side, not by watching a random picture of a random review for the galaxy s7 phone.... but i guess you just like to put false words in other peoples mouth to validate your claims.

Anyways im sorry for hurting your feelings, enjoy your phone.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Beefheart:
Thread title needs renaming, the Samsung sensor isn't a Britecell as discussed.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] mehmetrg:
If somebody does the video recording both sensors, that will be perfect to conclude which one is better
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] telveer:
FWIW, I have the Sony IMX260 sensor in my VZW S7 Edge. Pics are absolutely stunning. I may skip taking my bulky DSLR on my next road trip!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
This comparison has been done properly!

Galaxy S7 Isocell vs Sony camera sensor: what’s the difference?| Android Authority

tl;lr Sony sensor barely wins sharpness; Samsung wins white balance and dynamic range, color reproduction is a tie. Overall winner is...

the Samsung ISOCELL S5K2L1.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NaimC:
Not too from from my own conclusions regarding dynamic range (shadow/black detail) and colour accuracy (white balance and tone).
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
Hey, [MENTION=950115]NaimC[/MENTION] this thread finally got some publicity:

Galaxy S7 BRITECELL vs Sony IMX260 sensors comparison: low-light performance| Phone Arena

Their conclusion:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] kannanX10:
bought a 32gb black onyx in india..................first one had Samsung sensor but it did had a tint in its bottom then the second onethey opened had a sony sensor,when comparing the two sensors i do noticed samsung's images seems somewhat yellowish and white balance seems odd in the store lighting as well as outdoors(even after considering the display variations between the two devices).............so without hesitation took the one with sony sensor
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
Congrats, you wont regret it, the sony sensor even though only marginally better, still is better overall.

Having said that, its strange that the isocell sensor had that yellow light issue, it might be possible that the yellow light issue was not detected in my overview comparison because the sun was very strong and all photos were taken outside rather than inside like yours.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Ausboy 2011:
Lol if you think the sony sensor is better i guess all these other people are liers
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] EQ2000:
They are not liars, they just dont know how to do a proper comparision considering 'all angles'. Wouldn't surprise me either if Samsung is sandbagging the Sony sensor to create parity with the inferior ISOCELL so that differences are minimal.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] hagba:
zoomed in just one picture: The one at the left is Icosell, Im gonna get mine on 21th BTW.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NaimC:
Well, I have both and I've decided I'm keeping the Isocell. I've taken countless comparison shots now, and I think the Isocell is just a touch more consistent for my needs, mostly in terms of white balance and overall accuracy.

If you prefer a wider focus range and better sharpness in non focus areas, go Sony. If you prefer a shallower focus area with slightly more consistent sharpness in your actual point of focus, as well as slightly better white balance and overall colour, go Isocell. The Sony is also on rare occasion erratic with large areas of black in low light, with major shadow noise and purple blotchiness creeping in certain corners, that doesn't occur with the Isocell. Likewise on rare occasion the Isocell has a tendency to have more smearing in outer edges of shots.

But yea, I'm surprised with my results. Samsung knocked it out of the park here, and if they're able to up production, I reckon they can ditch the Sony sensor altogether with their next phone, and use only their own custom fully in house variants.

Ultimately, these sensors are extremely comparable, and unless you're actually pixel peeping to an extreme extent, most people aren't going to know or notice the differences.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Ausboy 2011:
Just like snapdragon vs exynos. Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly competition
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] vemj:
raw dng please

i think we should judge these image by raw dng but not jpeg,u know maybe the isp or algorithm cause the difference,so u can upload some raw file and let us check the cmos in detail
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] i9100g user:
Now that's just funny
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Bajanman:
Member conduct.

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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] cbqfly:
in terms of image quality for your third image of the parking meter i think you might want to look again. instead of looking at the license plate try looking at the right side of the image where the entry sign is for the build as well as the bricks. so blurred on the sony one and clear on the isocell one.

are you able to make comparisons using the raw dng images and then just converting to jpeg on pc without making any adjustments? and using the same iso, shutter speed and everything else so that everything is matched up? that way the comparison will be as true as it can be. it will tell you which sensor is actually better rather than which one will give you better post processing or better iso/shutter speed selection.

thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
What you say about the right side is irrelevant, look at the parking sign on the left side of the picture and see how blurry it is on isocell and how clear it is on the sony.... The focused object is the parking meter, not the parking sign or the left or the right side of the image, its irrelevant how defocused the picture is on the non focused area, its relevant how focused it is on the focused area, any camera professionall will tell you that, and any camera professional will tell you that finding a perfect lens is the same as finding a needle in a haystack, even lenses for 500+ reflex cameras are prone to a bad lens aligment.

So in the end what you see about Sony beying defocused on the right and isocell beying defocused on the left its not an issue with the sensor, its an issue with the lens quality check which is sub-optimal.

PS: the pictures are not mine and its impossible for me to do such a comparison.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] kabukiman:
Well, since you're talking about them as if they were your's, cbqfly's guess wasn't that far-fetched... just my two cents.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
Yeah i know i got sucked into this debate for too long, prolly a good time for me to stop.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] midreestaj:
Isocell tech sensor made by Samsung has improved as much as over shadowing the Sony counterpart this time . Really good to see the low light comparison. Personally I would be impartial rather declare one as an absolute winner. I have S6 with Sony and S7 edge with Samsung sensor.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] 5star02707:
great review thanks a lot. minimal differences but still i wouldn't fret about it.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] techsammy:
I can see two different sensors for my phone being detected.

http://i.imgur.com/niuiOHu.png

So do I have Sony sensor on the back and Samsung's own sensor on the front?

P.S I used this app for detecting.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TML1504:
obviously, you did not read the regarding threads!

everyone has samsung cam on front, it's only the rear cam which is different (sony/samsung)!!

and everyone uses aida for checking... :)
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] techsammy:
Yeah! I'm a lazy noob :P
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Top 5:
me too

:cowboy::cowboy::cowboy:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] FalconFX:
They look like both kickass sensors. I have the Samsung sensor, coming from a OPO, the camera was not that good
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] xMGWx:
Both sensor will get tweaked with firmware over the coming month so any diffenece we now see will likely be less and less.

Sure both sensor will still have their own characteristics but these will only be visible in extreme shots when the outcome of the picture will moste likely be useless anyway.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] goremasta:
IMX320

Upgrading from One+1, I'm also now S7edge user

Mine is also Sony IMX320 sensor

NICE Thread by the way!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] drmoeed:
IMX 320 ???????

On S7/Edge ?????
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] goremasta:
sorry

Opps.... I was sleep-typing just now

I meant IMX260

My bad! thanks for the correction :o
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] drmoeed:
You swung my mind upside down :)
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Andrewtst:
My S7 Edge is Samsung sensor and I am happy mine is Samsung sensor. :D
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Beefheart:
Looks like everyone is happy to have the sensor they have. Which is only right given the differences are negligible and don't offer advantages for either sensor.

Still, it won't stop some trying to turn it into some sort of competition, it's human nature.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] skivnit:
Got britecell as well on the exynos
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Beefheart:
No, you haven't. You have the ISOCELL.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] ionutdicu:
The best conclusion so far on this subject.

Also, the post title should be modified, it's quite obvious for some time that there's no Britecell tech in S7/ S7 Edge.... Just Isocell, new version.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] fastmike:
Excellent review! I will be very interested to see the same comparison with RAW files for both sensors. That will tell us if there are other differences.

Cheers

Phil

---------- Post added at 04:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------

BTW, I have the Sony sensor and noticed that jpeg file generated in 'PRO' mode is really bad compare to jpeg generated in 'auto' mode. Is that the same with the Isocell sensor? That basically forces you to rework the DNG file. Will have been nice to have the best of both world.... not sure on why they did that.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Beefheart:
The pro mode jpg will simply reflect your ability to choose the correct settings for the environment at the time.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] bcdtech:
What about night

Please upload the samples at night (dark)
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] LockeSGS:
I was playing with IMX260 and ISOCELL for entire day today. After a lot of testing in daylight (sunny) and low light of both sensors my thoughts looks like these ones:

IMX260

1. Marginally sharper across the frame - for pixel peepers

2. Overprocessed photos - too much sharpening, too strong color saturation

3. A lot of post processing artifacts, for example: NOISE, halos, strange looking edges

4. Fast but unreliable auto focus in all conditions

5. Sometimes AF fails in macro shots

6. F1.7 is not the same as F1.7 from ISOCELL

7. Limited dynamic range in sunny weather conditions

8. Awful HDR photos - HDR mode adds a lot of noise and smears a lot of fine details too.

9. Really bad white balance... Even my old S4 had better Auto WB than IMX260...

10. Good for social media (Facebook, Instagram) because of "processed" look of original photos

ISOCELL

1. Post processing that looks like it was taken from Galaxy S6 IMX240. That's good to be honest.

2. Excellent color reproduction - color in the photos are very similar to the real ones.

3. A tad slower than IMX260 AF but more precise

4. Isn't as sharp as IMX260 but I don't think it's an issue because sensor gets the same amount of details

5. The real F1.7 lens - means that you can really get beautyful bokeh in macro photography. I don't know why but bokeh from IMX260 isn't that nice...

6. Lower noise than IMX260 in all lighting conditions

7. Very good HDR implemantation... HDR photos are less noisy than photos taken by IMX260 in HDR. It's to be honest really huge difference regardless of the situation

8. Better low light noise control and colors. Seriously IMX260 sucks badly at night photos.

9. OIS dosn't work that good like it does on IMX240... That's really strange.

10. Better for videos because of less amount of noise and superior dynamic range

Because I bought 2 different Galaxy S7 phones just to perform tests I need to sell one of them. And I decided to keep ISOCELL version of Galaxy S7. Photos taken by ISOCELL sensor looks much better than from IMX260. They look like they were taken by Galaxy S6 IMX240 sensor. I think that's the best recomendation. :)

Performers:

- Black Onyx - ISOCELL

- Platinum Gold - IMX260
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] muayyadf1:
I think Samsung is using OIS and EIS an the same time. Turning EIS off might help.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Beefheart:
This reads like it's written by someone who's opinion was skewed prior to any of these tests being made.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] LockeSGS:
Skewed? Come on. I didn't realy wanted ISOCELL to win but to me it's just a better sensor. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] henklbr:
Pictures made with an "Isocell (Samsung)"-sensor (with/without flash, AUTO-mode)
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Monkey Slut:
The yellow tint on photos from Sony sensor is really bothering me...
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pierre118:
Great pictures, Henk!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] carleo321:
The Britecell sensor is much better, i dont like the yellow of Sony Sensor, looks ugly
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] LockeSGS:
One of the biggest flaws with IMX 260 sensor will be solved in upcoming software update:

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/04/12...ge-update-comes-with-huge-changelog-in-india/
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Monkey Slut:
What a wonderful news. I can't wait to see how's the camera in low light after the update.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] KSP1234:
How you can comment this ? https://youtu.be/AWUhgpT-Mb0

Both phones shoulder to shoulder on one line
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] RobertsLej:
60fps low light video

Does anybody checked what about 60fps low light video with these 2 sensors?

Samsung Galaxy S6 with Isocell got very bad 60fps low light video with vibrating blueish video noise on every black color place. Sony IMX240 sensor havn't that. What about it in S7 case? Does isocell still have that?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] schiphol:
+1

I just got my s7 edge with sony sensor and the low light noise in video is a huge disappointment. Before going through the whole trouble of exchanging the phone, I would also like to ask someone to upload some comparison video to youtube. Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] ccl2003:
First low light shot with Samsung sensor
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Noobel:
[MENTION=950115]NaimC[/MENTION] [MENTION=5235636]VictorC[/MENTION] thanx a lot for great comparison reviews!

I've recently got a gold platinum EXYNOS + SLSI S5K2L1 S7 for my wife and quite amazed with autofocus speed & accuracy and lowlight performance! Wow!

On the other hand I'm not too happy about SLSI's purple tint tendency. In low lights it makes yellow look more like red and often makes a dark sky with a purplish cast. Human skintones look cooler and too purple sometimes.

In comparison Sony's sensor is on greenish side as usual making yellows even more yellow, hence all pics look warmer and more pleasant in general except for greys and shadows that usually have some green tint. Also twilight shots with almost all Sony sensors have an incorrect white auto balance, making everything look excessively blue! Be it fullframe Nikon DSLR pro camera, their own mirrorless cams or basic smartphone cam.

The worst part: I'm really disappointed with excessive purple lens flare coming from infrared sources, such as fire, incandescent light bulb and halogen lamp to name few. AFAIK it affects all S7 and S7 Edge models regardless of sensor manufacturer. (see attachments). To me this is not acceptable for a premium phone with a premium price tag. This is a big flaw an will affect many otherwise nice indoors or by the fire pictures.

Any fix to that, anyone?

PS Please rename thread to Galaxy S7 Sony IMX260 vs SLSI S5K2L1 ISOCELL Low Light Sensor Comparison or similar. There's no Britecell tech in S7 series.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] justyourimage:
delete me
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Yooperjusty:
I bought my s7e in China, the g9350, which has the Sony in it. Anyone know exactly which models came with the isocell? I can't return it now, and just learned about the two different sensors... I also can't stand the yellowing of the Sony. Any way to change this with root or perhaps the Google camera hdr+ port?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Yooperjusty:
I also have a very technical question. My camera id in aida64 says Sony_IMX260, but I've seen other s7e ID showing Sony_imx260_fimc_is. I've gone through all measures to assure this phone is real, but this one little tid bit is bothering me. Is this just a difference in the version of the aida64 app, or what? I've seen Google pics of other s7e showing just Sony_imx260 and not Sony_imx260_fimc_is. Thank you for your help!
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[Verizon LG G4] LASERWOLF452:
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