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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] the7thson:
I'm trying to keep the faith but this is really disappointing news.. If there is no root in 2 weeks, then I'll have to return it unfortunately. I can't imagine not having root..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] raw2000j:
I remember htc had that and they still found root with a locked bootloader
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] stormonya:
Give it a little time guys...it hasn't been in the hands of US developers for more than a week yet..... Believe me....the bootloader will be unlocked in due time.......we will get root..we will bet custom Roms...recoveries and kernels.... A week on this to early to call for Us...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] jlczl:
Returned it today and canceled service because of screen hardware failure. I didn't feel totally bad about it though since they locked the bootloader on it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] sireniankyle:
This is the ultimate middle finger to us. I actually ran to the iPhone until a good alternative reveals itself.

It's not worth buying an Exynos variant since Exynos is harder to develop aosp roms. Not to mention that is it obvious that Samsung doesn't want our money.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] The Root:
It's always on here. Even the scripts the devs use don't get all of it off. That's been the the case for a long time.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Admiral2145:
I'm waiting on the 2016 nexus 6 refresh.... Still running my nexus 6...the 6p wasn't enough for me. Android N has the one thing I was missing split screen... Also nexus devices get updated every month vs Samsung or htc and LG for that matter.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] md1008:
If the rumors are true HTC will build a 5.5 inch phablet. So I don't think we will see a 6 inch Nexus for a while. In fact I will argue that 6 inches won't be a factor for any flagship unless Huawei has any success bringing on the matte series to the carriers.

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Assuming that's what you meant by Nexus 6 2016
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Android_Monsters:
It's fine for my girlfriend. I've been having fun playing with it, but I can't live with an unrooted phone. Keeping my note 5 til there is another good phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] lost_:
Root is a maybe, if a live exploit is uncovered. Custom recoveries and kernel, no, not without unlocked bootloader. Be realistic. Locked bootloaders have been around for years and we all know they mostly remain locked, unless Samsung/Tmo unlocks it or someone leaks an unlock tool.

So, keep the pressure on. Sign the petition and re-tweet: it's time!

Back to topic: how much is re-stocking fee if purchased over the phone? I've read some not getting charged if bought online, some getting charged if bought on the store, so I'd like to hear actual experience rather than anecdotal evidence of restocking fee.

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I doubt you will net anywhere near $795 on eBay. You said net - so that means after all fees charged by eBay, PayPal and shipping (including insurance).

Also, with a locked bootloder, the T-Mobile SM-G900T does NOT offer anything that the SM-G900A/V/P doesn't have.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] AKW:
I can confirm that if the phone was shipped to you (bought online or over the phone) there will be no restocking fee. The only time they charge a restocking fee is if you purchased the phone in-store.

This was told to me by two different Tmo CSRs.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] m1xmstr:
You're correct I will not net that much. These are selling (G935T) for $700-775.00 on average (go to eBay search S7 G935T and then click on Sold Listings) then minus out 10% for the eBay scam fees and I'm left with roughly 630.00

Either way paying off the 720.00 I owe on this phone with one pre-paid card, and then applying the 600.00 I make selling the other and another 75-80 dollars on the VR headset I am even.

The result is wife has a brand new phone, and it's paid off so my bill is $20 cheaper.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] gaww:
That's odd - my G4 was not locked, and no one else's I encountered were either ?

Still trying to decide if I will keep it - 14 day return ticking ....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Pyperkub:
I don't know about your experience as an audiophile, but at least to me, when using the cassette adapter to the headset jack, the audio sounds clearly superior to my S6 Edge in the car. It could be completely subjective however.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] 10-K:
Jeez. I didn't know it had a locked bootloader. Glad I didn't get one yet.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Rydah:
Yup, was locked down early stages but we eventually got root. Actually, I myself released root for it via system image.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] 20degrees:
Mine wasn't either.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] GoogleFan:
I'm strongly considering returning mine. Coming from a 6p this phone feels very laggy and bogged down especially when Web browsing and I've had a freeze up/reboot already. I know technically this is the most cutting edge phone specs wise but in real world use it just isn't as smooth as my 6p and with a locked bootloader I can't justify owing $780 on an eip when I already see the phone going for sub $700 on swappa. My only concern is I already applied for Netflix/vr and I read somewhere that if you return device your responsible for the cost of vr and Netflix. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Ritual82:
Yes I am, still have a nexus 5x sitting here. Will be using that from now on. Nexus/Google phones only from now on.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] bruciebabie1963:
I agree it is a great phone as is, but I still find myself thinking about cm13 on this beast.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] duvalbmarley:
Keeping the phone wish it was unlocked but it's a nice phone either way
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] igotroot:
Petition t-mobile

I am returning my S7 Edge if they keep it locked..

SIGN THIS PETITION:

https://www.change.org/p/samsung-unlock-boot-loaders-s7-s7-edge

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I got mine last Friday....its still in its box... I will return it, and wait for the LG G5 or HTC whatever to see if they are unlocked. If not, I will just buy Nexus phones from now on.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] stormonya:
So this doesn't mean the bootloader is unlocked? I just bought the S7 Edge today
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Xileforce:
Nope. It's a safety feature Google added. Basically you can't unlock the bootloader without toggling that first. So if someone steals your phone they can't just unlock and wipe it. They would have to have your password to log into the phone first and toggle that. Basically it lets you unlock the bootloader, but our bootloader isn't unlockable in the first place.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Semantics:
I can't think of anything I could care less about right now. I've always rooted every phone so I could flash ROM's, used xposed etc, but Android is mature enough now that I don't care at all. I never rooted my V10. I'm not returning a phone I really like that peforms well because I can't block ads.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] worldwidepmp:
This.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] nano303:
Not to mention its 2016. Google has been trying to pull people from rooting beccaaaausssseee??? Kids and girls??? No? Welllll its UNSAFE!!. Who here wathes porn w the miss? Well youll know visiting adult websites get malware on your galaxy device. With knox and security improvements in marshmallow i am definitely choosing security over flexibility.

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Lol and i am definitely not returning such a gorgeous device. First people cried because they wanted the sd card back/bigger battery and bold design, well now you got all that plus water resistant and your returning the phone because you want viruses? Ok...i suppose. This is the best galaxy YET. Ill be dammed if rooting is going to stop me. Main reason i rooted was to customize my device. Dude samsungs been having themes since the s6. Im GUCCI
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] RidinNerdy:
Dude are u serious a skin (samsung theme store) on top of a skin (touchwiz) see this is why your phones be lagging like crazy!! Smh a skin on skin, wait touchwiz is slow let me throw ANOTHER skin on it.. smh its because of that mentality that samsung doesnt care, customers get complacent with anything samsung throws at them... oh well...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] nano303:
You got a valid point. Yes i would like to debload the phone. I forgot all about that part lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] chipworkz:
My Edge is going in the mail today. I am not going to pay over $800 for a phone that is locked down. I am staying with my Note 5 for now. I do agree that this is a nice phone and is very usable as is but still not exactly how I want it. I prefer a custom rom, have to have Viper installed, and do some theme work in the apks myself to really make it my own. I want the Note 6 when it comes out but will not be doing any more pre-orders and will wait to find out if it is locked down or not before buying it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Beefheart:
I'm really not sure if you're being serious here, or if you simply don't know the fundamentals of how root works. Root is perfectly safe, providing you know how to deal with it being on your phone and take the necessary precautions. A combination of being careful what apps root access is granted to, Xprivacy and AFWall+ and my rooted S7 Edge is no less secure than your unrooted S7 Edge. In fact, more so I'd say.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] nano303:
Is rooting actually safe? You dont have knox
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Beefheart:
Do you actually know what knox is? Actually, ignore that, as this really is nothing to do with the thread subject.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hawkstwelve:
I am this close to returning my S7E but I don't want to get stuck with $250+ in promotions that will be charged to me if I return ($100 Gear VR + $50 Oculus game bundle + $110 Netflix for a year). I remember reading something in the Terms & Conditions about if you return, you will be ordered to pay for the promotions, but I just read through the T&C again and didn't see any mention of it. Anyone have insight into this?

Ugh. This would be so much easier if Samsung wasn't a giant pile of stinking dog sh*t when it comes to giving customers what they want.... a.k.a an unlocked bootloader.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] 2k10MBC300SPT:
We are 75 away from 1k Folks!!!! Let's GET IT!!!!!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Xileforce:
Touchwiz is modified code running over Android. The only thing a theme changes is a couple of songs and framework files that are already being used...so no, using a theme does not make your device any slower.

If bootloader doesn't get unlocked imma just hold onto my s7 until something new comes out like HTC 10. I have original jump so I can swap twice a year without waiting.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hawkstwelve:
Yeah, I've decided to take a personal boycott against Samsung (cause that will really make them feel my pain! /s) and although at first I thought "No way would I go to HTC", I kind of like the idea of switching it up. I've always liked Sense and I loved my Droid DNA back in the day. One of my favorite phones. The chamfer on the HTC 10 is a little off the wall but I could get used to it. Plus, unlocked bootloader = HTC doing at least a couple things right! ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Semantics:
How is this Samsung's fault? They sell the phone with an unlocked bootloader. Perhaps you should direct your angst toward your carrier. You know, the one who actually asked Samsung to lock it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hawkstwelve:
BTW to those wondering - I answered my own question. I contacted an agent on Samsung Chat and they confirmed that if you already registered for the Gear VR and Netflix, you will get to keep them for free even if you return the device. I have a feeling this person may be wrong but now if Samsung comes to me trying to charge me for those two things, I can point to this chat and say "I don't think so!".

I have attached it to this in case any one else wants to print it for their records so they can point to it down the road if Samsung does what Samsung does (i.e. be shady and try to charge you). Now to look into returning my S7E.... Will be going back to the Note 5 until the HTC 10 comes out (probably).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hawkstwelve:
Oh trust me, I have directed plenty of angst towards John Legere, TMobile Help, Braxton Carter, Mike Seivert, pretty much all the TMO executives on Twitter. My issue with Samsung is they have hardly acknowledged (let alone admit any wrongdoing or anything of the like) the majority of the customers that are complaining to them about this. They simply couldn't care less. I understand they are a behemoth of a corporation and we are the 1% of their customer base, but they should still own up to their mistakes. I honestly don't believe it was 100% TMO; Samsung has been pushing Samsung Pay incredibly hard and I believe that has a strong correlation to the locked bootloader. Sure, the international version is unlocked and they have Samsung Pay but it's not being pushed as hard or widely accepted as the USA.

Ultimately, I don't really care whose fault it is - I care about how they handle the situation and if a solution is found. So far, TMO has handled the situation 10x better than Samsung and no solution has been found, hence my issue with Samsung.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Semantics:
If Samsung was at fault here, the phones sold on Samsung.com would have locked bootloaders. They are unlocked. I strongly doubt they they conned every US carrier into locking the bootloader just for Samsung Pay, which as you noted works on the international versions with unlocked bootloaders. If this were a Samsung thing, every bootloader would be locked. That's my opinion, anyway. I think we will all have a better idea when the LG G5 gets released on T-Mobile and see if the bootloader is locked. LG has typically not locked the bootloader on T-Mobile, just like Samsung hasn't. If the G5 is locked, we should know exactly who to point the finger at.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hawkstwelve:
That is a great point and I absolutely agree - if the G5 comes with a locked bootloader then that will be very telling and I will eat my own words in regards to blaming Samsung. :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] 2k10MBC300SPT:
That's a good look but not all of us are named "Brian". Samsung can easily say.."Well, I'm sorry but that one rep who advised that consumer of the wrong information has been "Coached" accordingly and your name is not Brian..I'm sorry, is there anything else I can do for you:("!! lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] hawkstwelve:
Well, I know personally, if they tried to tell me that Customer A could receive the items for free but Customer B could not, simply because they have different names, I would be heated and take it to a Supervisor. No way they wouldn't honor that for you too. At least, that's what I would assume. I guess you never know but it wouldn't hurt to try! :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] AKW:
Regarding who's responsible for the locked bootloaders, both Samsung and T-Mobile share the blame somewhat.

From what I understand, the hardware in ALL US carrier S7 and S7 Edges are the same. As we all know, Verizon and AT&T have always locked their bootloaders, so they both requested Samsung send them locked versions this time as well. Since AT&T and Verizon are the two biggest carriers in the US and they requested locked bootloaders, the bootloaders on ALL US versions were locked since the hardware is identical. T-Mobile did not specifically request an unlocked version and neither did Sprint, thus the conundrum we find ourselves in now. It's not that T-Mobile specifically asked for a locked version, or that Samsung specifically locked the T-Mobile version, it's just the way it happened.

Now the effort revolves around hopefully getting T-Mobile to convince Samsung to unlock the bootloaders on their variants, if that's possible.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] v8dreaming:
I'll keep it until I can jump to a developer friendly phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Xileforce:
If this were the reason, then the previous galaxies would be locked too. They always have identical hardware across the US.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] AKW:
I was not aware of that. I heard this was new for the S7. I assumed there was some difference between the variants such as the mother board. I stand corrected.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Admiral2145:
I remember when I had the note 3 on Verizon.... We donated and got adam from xda a phone... 5 days later it was unlock with a program (he and 2 other people created) called casual lol...

Can't the community work together and crack the code?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] chenxiaolong:
The motherboards did have slight differences before. For example with the S6 Edge+, we had (in the US):

T-Mobile (FCC ID: A3LSMG928T): https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...id=QoNSvCAntbdaR6IhyrBzew==&fcc_id=A3LSMG928T

Sprint (FCC ID: A3LSMG928P): https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...id=4obauHCIW1tvgCe9mG1X4g==&fcc_id=A3LSMG928P

AT&T (FCC ID: A3LSMG928A): https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...id=kt6IPoCRtWuNbf6cYgGcJQ==&fcc_id=A3LSMG928A

Verizon (FCC ID: A3LSMG928V): https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...id=Wk4LR/N4BCWkvPg2h4SAlQ==&fcc_id=A3LSMG928V

With the S7 Edge, we just have a single generic US model:

(FCC ID: A3LSMG935US): https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...d=elKAem08Wuynew87vBtLBg==&fcc_id=A3LSMG935US

EDIT: A3LSMG935US covers SM-G935V, SM-G935P, SM-G935R4, SM-G935A, and SM-G935T: https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2870577
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] lost_:
No, I've opened my copies of S4 US variants. They had different antennas and USB charger board. I'm pretty sure that's the case with the S5 also (IP67 so never bothered opening them). I think the S7 is the first with identical FCC ID for all carriers.

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Your explanation makes sense. Although T-Mobile engineering department, having received the samples earlier, would have known that the 930/935T BL was locked and I'm sure they deliberated internally and decided to go along with it.

With that line of thought, there simply is no incentive whatsoever for T-Mobile or Samsung to come out with an unlocked bootloader or to release an unlock tool. There is nothing in it for them, sadly. Whatever John Legere tweeted was probably just him doing some preventative damage control (fully realizing that there's no damage to TMO at all) as well as lips service, and that's that. I really hope I'm wrong here.

Edit: a promising lead or empty words from a Tmo employee: Real or Not? (edit again: TMobile's tweet by CS agent KimB has been deleted. It originally say ".. it's getting unlocked.")
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] 2k10MBC300SPT:
It never hurts to try for sure man...:good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] voxluna:
Actually, the V10 has a smaller screen, and only a hexa-core SD808. I think a closer match to the hardware would be the Note 5, but it has no removable battery and no SDcard.

I'm considering returning this one within the remorse period and getting an N5, because it has plenty of ROMs to choose from. I guess this is what I get for pre-ordering a phone before knowing what the situation is for rooting it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] Admiral2145:
I bet this is the 1st non nexus device to work with google fi.... The nexus devices are the same way on all carriers
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] CWick4141:
Just took it back and they waived the restocking fee so that was cool... I'll come back if the bootloader can ever be unlocked
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] dino1342:
What did you do to get the restocking fee waived I'm going to return my s7e and get a nexus 6p my best buy will have them in Stock on the 23rd
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] CWick4141:
I didn't do anything.. Just told the dude why I was bringing it back (locked bootloader) and he said I haven't been the only 1 to return for that reason... Didn't really pay attention during the transaction but when I for home and checked me receipt I was not charged a fee... Not sure of it was an error by him or not

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Also best buy does not carry the 6P in stores nor will they I work there.. If you are referring to it saying the 23rd if you look online that date is the day it will arrive if you ship it for free to the store as apposed to shipping it to your house
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] glensta:
Just returned my S7 Edge to the store I bought it from. Paid the restocking fee as well. Kind of a bummer but I won't pay that much money for a phone w/ no root and there are other reason too for returning the phone. Dam that's what I get for my impatience lol. Chalk it up to the cost of a phone habit. Back to the Note 5 which is still a great phone, can't complain. Good luck to you all, hope they get root going for ya soon.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] gaww:
Hi Chen. I have US TMo variant and am considering eBay'ing it and getting SM-G935F International variant the same way. Reason I don't return is that I got a second one which will be rebated and only committed to $5/month for added line. So that pretty much offsets the loss I would experience in the eBay shuffle.

I am assuming that network frequencies work here OK, but that Samsung pay won't work on it even if not rooted (which is the only rason to do this). Got too accustomed to your duelboot system.

Anyone - Anything else I should be considering/giving up with respect to US version?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] 20degrees:
I'm really in to root and xposed, but I'm keeping this. I kept my G4 with root and paid it off. It'll do the things I need root for.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions & Answer] chenxiaolong:
I plan on getting the SM-G935F too (though my SM-G935T is probably going to a family member). Regarding Samsung Pay, there's a chance it may work when Samsung Pay launches in other countries. Right now, it looks like all the Samaung Pay components are available in the intl ROMs, but are disabled via the CSC. I decompiled both the TMO and intl ROMs and I wasn't able to find any other differences, like a different Samsung Pay server or configuration file.

You'll also lose wifi calling and VoLTE with the SM-G935F. Without VoLTE, the device might connect to LTE band 12 and you'll lose the ability to make calls while you're on that band (it's data only). I'll probably be making an Xposed module or custom ROM just to get VoLTE working on this device.