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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Willyman:
It's not stupid, it's the standard process in this industry. Apple does the same with their displays and CPUs. Furthermore, the spec is exactly the same for both sensors. I'm assuming (i.e. I have no proof) that Samsung is paying a license fee which allows them to manufacture the Sony designed sensor.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Canard caché:
what i see here is better (a bit) results with low light for britecell
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
^^^ This +1 It's a reality of the tech industry and has no impact on 99.9999% of all end users. The only truly negative consequence is that it gives trolls an opportunity to troll.

Also +1

[MENTION=950115]OP[/MENTION], great job, thanks! Suggestion: Put the pictures in hide tags so the page will load better for people on mobile devices or with slow internet :good:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
[MENTION=950115]NaimC[/MENTION] Wonderful job. Both sensors are equally good.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Mrbigdaddymaz:
Great post. I think we can safely say it doesn't really matter which sensor you get they are both great.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] ijat91:
Thanks for the comparison, really helpful
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] gitti_italy:
[MENTION=950115]NaimC[/MENTION] Thanks!

Are you going to do the same comparison in daylight? I'm also interested in macros
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
Thanks for the very good comparison. I have had 3 different S6E's and the isocell variant produced better photos than the Sony sensors. On the S7, it looks like britecell versus sony is negligible. Good to know.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Ausboy 2011:
got the sammy sensor in my exynos s7 edge photos are so amazing i looked for difference in wifes s7 with sony sensor and they have about ~2% difference if that. both are great camera sensors.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] dmitrimpe:
I am pretty certain "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor is just a custom order placed by Samsung for the S7 line (according to Samsung's design and spec-sheet), therefore I would actually consider it a Samsung sensor fabricated in Sony's fabs just as Apple's A9 is fabed both in TSMC's and Samsung's fabs. The Samsung S5K2L1 part is just the same sensor fabed in Samsung's own fabs. It's NOT by chance that both sensors are labeled with the same "signature ending" IS->Isocell (SONY_IMX260_FIMC_IS and SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS). Any (IF any AT ALL) differences that presumably are "observed" are as minute and inconsistent as it would be expected and considered 100% NORMAL even between two same sensors coming off out of the same fab (Sony's or Samsung's).

A possible confirmation of the hypothesis above can/will be made once we see IF "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor pops up inside any other OEM's flagship phone. Since it's such a GOOD sensor it would only make sense for other OEMs to employ it in their products too. If "Sony's" IMX 260 sensor HOWEVER does NOT pop up anywhere else (besides Samsung's products), it basically means it's NOT available to anyone else BESIDES Samsung, therefore it's Samsung's "child".

Besides, I am willing to bet that if someone cared to make an A-B photo test using TWO S7 units BOTH employing the SAME sensor (Sony's or Samsung's), he/she would realize that the "results" wouldn't be "identical" in that case either.

One last thought, Samsung announced two days ago their new S5K2L1 sensor disclosing it's already in mass production, Sony on the other hand never announced an IMX260 sensor ;) and YET it's out there ...

Pay attention to the following extract from ChipWorks:

"...We were expecting to find TSV arrays around the periphery of the active pixel array, corresponding to Sony’s stacked chip (Exmor RS) technology platform. Sony hasn’t publicly announced the IMX260, but based on what we’ve been reading, we assume that is the part number. It’s a bit of a surprise that the IMX260 isn’t an Exmor RS sensor, as we’ve been documenting a lot of Sony design wins based on its 1st and 2nd generation Exmor RS..."

Source: dpreview.com

Article tittle: Samsung Galaxy S7 teardown reveals Sony IMX260 Dual-pixel sensor
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
Welcome to the forum!

You speak more sense in your 1st post than many people who would have posted 1000 times. Yes, what you say is absolutely correct. Both sensors use ISOCELL technology. Both are are CMOS. ISOCELL is just some additional tech embedded into them, Apple also uses this - deep trench isolation.

ISOCELL is actually the commercial name of what Samsung calls 3D-Backside Illuminated Pixel with Front-Side Deep-Trench Isolation (F-DTI) and Vertical Transfer Gate (VTG).

Both sensors have exact same spec, just manufactured by different vendors - SLSI and Sony. You won't find IMX260 on Sony site, because they can't sell it to other customers like they sell IMX298/IMX377 etc.,
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] dmitrimpe:
Thank you CLARiiON, I edited my post adding an interesting and revealing extract as proof of my hypothesis from a teardown ChipWorks did on an S7 unit. Unfortunately since I am a new member I can't post the article's link, I would encourage EVERYONE though to search for that article and read it CAREFULLY
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Ausboy 2011:
Hit the nail on the head dmitrimpe
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Cst79:
Thank you for the detailed review.

To be honest, I like the Britecell colors a lot more. Sony has a typical green cast (specific to many of their sensors) that I hate.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
Both sensors are very good - I see no reason why anyone would be unhappy with either of these. Let's discuss more about other important issues like batterylife, throttling etc.,
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
Here's another comparison of the two sensors:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spot...Samsung-ISOCELL-camera-sensor-samples_id79197
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Hoggles:
Great review of the sensors NaimC! Thanks a bunch!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
If someone need to take so much trouble just to find 2% difference between sensors, is it worth the effort? Not for me. Better spend your time enjoying your phone/life than worrying about such irrelevant issues.

There is less comparison between S7 vs Z5 or iPhone or HTC or LG, but more discussion about a sensor manufacturer, seriously :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] MarsLights:
If the difference was big, I'm sure you wouldn't have said that. :)

Knowing matters.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] xMGWx:
Very nice comparison.

Thx for your efforts #NaimC and #VictorC

The cameras will surely be tweaked and mature with updates and more likely they will blend into each other even more.

I bet that Samsung intentionally do this to see how what the crowds likes in term of post-processing and WB etc.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] DoKaTSuYa:
Britcell won, they're both turn to the yellow side, but the IMX260 it's too much yellow in low light.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TML1504:
Thank you very much for this long review.

I got my second S7e today, and now I have both sensors at my hand.

Got my first one from a Store in Austria on 03/08 and the second one from Amazon Germany today (03/12).

First one is with Sony sensor, second one with Samsung.

On the second one the screen is better, but I'm just usure if I should be happy with Samsung sensor or not...

I know this is minor, but I make a lot of pictures with my phone, and the picture quality is a big thing for me!

Did you compare the filesizes as well? For me, the Sony sensor constantly produces litte larger files (for example 3,3 MB instead of the 3MB of the Samsung sensor picture) on otherwise completely identical scenes.

It SEEMS to me that, although the lesser filesize, the Samsung sensor pics have a little more detail.

What are your findings in regard to that (filesize)?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] VictorC:
I can tell you this, in the more well lit images the file sizes are much the same, whilst in the darker scenes there is a slight (and i mean just a slight) difference where the Samsung pics are larger. In those pictures the Isocell did manage to gather a tad more light and a little bit more detail.

Still, you can check for yourself if you want. All images posted are on imgur and can be viewed and downloaded at full resolution and file size.

Two things to mention, even if both sensors managed to produce very similar result in the pictures posted earlier:

1. The Samsung sensor has slight problems with white balance and its clearly visible in the pictures where both phones were set manually to the same temperature, yet they produced different results, with the Isocell one being kind of bad. I really thing Samsung need to work a little bit more on the white-balance for the Isocell.

2. In the dark scene, in the Auto mode set, the Sony sensor cranked up the ISO to 1600 while the Isocell went to ISO 1250. Even so, the Isocell camera's result looks a tad better, even if it's a little bit warmer.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Losthenes:
It funny, i just got 2 phone this morning at BELL in quebec and both phone have different camera! I have sony one and a samsung one for the cam. What a pleasure!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Brava27:
Thanks for the comparison. In the end I actually don't care whatsoever. Everything is going to Facebook or whatsapp or Instagram and no one will ever notice the difference lol
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] hung2900:
Actually I have faced before the situation of the same phone, same sensor but two units provided different color calibration.

I think even among Sony sensors and Samsung sensors there are variations too.

Btw, Samsung has just officially announced its ISOCELL sensor which is used in S7, whilst Sony hasn't. I still strongly believe that Sony is just the fabricator of camera sensors of iPhone, Samsung Galaxy, not the designer.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Xeon:
very weird.... on my Z5 Premium I don't get this Camera ID thing....
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Semantics:
Way too close to care. The Sony appears to have better detail in some night shots, but seriously, nobody will really be able to tell the difference. Fine job by Samsung on both sensors, IMO.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Ausboy 2011:
You mean the britecell does better in low light. Not so yellowish and ever so slightly more details
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Juuls:
touché :D I just expressed my sadness about having the Samsung sensor in another thread, but after reading this threat my sadness is subsiding :highfive:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] welcomyou:
Have you checked your App permission? Try to allow AIDA64 use camera
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] gemini002:
I have had both sensors in 2 different S7 edges the Samsung one produced better low light shots,better colour, wider view and sharper image. Both are close but Samsung defiantly edges the Sony sensor . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS100TYcYVE
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NaimC:
Just a follow up to this, spent a bit of time this evening doing more low light comparisons post software update, and whilst the trends still exist (Eg the Britecell having a shallower depth of field), I'd actually say the Britecell has been overall performing a bit better than the IMX260. In terms of colour accuracy, noise in the focus area, and overall detail in the focus area. Whilst I find the Sony is often more detailed and less noisy in non focus, background, or edge of a shot areas, often it's showing less detail and more noise in the actual focus point areas. I should stress though that these are differences I'm having to really zoom in and properly pixel peep to be able to notice.

Today the Sony also seems to consistently make shots less warm than they ought to be, which looks nice, but isn't actually accurate. I've also had two outlier instances where a large area of black has devolved in to a purple blotchy mess on the Sony whilst it's remained more uniformly and subtly noisy on the Britecell. Not sure why.

Another thing I'd like to mention is that in my testing tonight, file sizes of the comparison shots have been far more evenly matched, with much less variance. I don't know if Samsung tweaked something to make them more consistent to each other or not, but just another observation.

I'll do a bit more testing and some daylight comparisons tomorrow.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Xeon:
I'd like to see a comparison between IMX260 and IMX300
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] pafc66:
Exynos sound is unreal

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My exynos DAC is comparable to the note 4 exynos wolfson chip. Best audio output ive herd and better than my lgv10
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] dmitrimpe:
Did you ALREADY receive a software update ?! What was your initial version and what's the current one you're running on? What was the "fix-list" of this update?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Chekhn:
Hey this might be a stupid question. But do I as a customer have the right to turn my phone in for a new one with X sensor because it is "superior"?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Juuls:
With the European Consumer Laws you can but you have to be able to show or proof that you was promised a Sony or Samsung sensor when you ordered the phone. If I am correct this should also count for your national Consumer Laws, there should not be much difference.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] dmitrimpe:
If you're proficient to technically prove that one sensor is superior then prepare yourself for WAY MORE than a new phone, Samsung will probably offer you a new, well paid job in their engineering department :)

If you're just searching for a reason for a new phone I am sure that "argument" won't quite cut it.

If you're indeed hunting for SPECIFICALLY one of the two sensors it seems that it's all down to luck, no one will guarantee you that you'll find sensor X or Y inside your unit.

From the looks of it, if one is hunting for a Samsung fabbed sensor then her/his best bet is ordering directly through Samsung's web shop. They seem to be consistently stocking units with that sensor. All other vendors seem to be a case of "hit or miss" regarding this component ...

Honestly speaking, I would be equally happy with either of the "two" sensors, it is THE SAME (Samsung designed and specked) SENSOR, just some of them (from the looks of it more than 50%) are fabbed in Sony's facilities due to Sony's far larger output capacity for camera sensors (Sony is the largest MANUFACTURER of camera sensors and THAT on it's own doesn't mean ANYTHING. Look at it in this way, Apple's A9 processor is a great chip, designed by Apple themselves, YET Apple themselves do NOT MANUFACTURE a single component, A9 processors included...).
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] magman84:
Thank you! I don't think the difference is big enough that it matters. Both are good.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
Thats very easy to do, just put aida on the display units at the store, if they refuse then you can threaten them with a lawsuit and they are legally forced to allow you to see the display unit specs by installing an unisgnificant application, once you find that the display unit at the store has the different sensor you can trade or demand your money back.

I returned my S6 with the isocell for a sony sensor because i couldnt stand the stupid yellow tint in good light and red tint in low light, at first it was difficult untill i showed them the difference in quality between the display unit and my unit and they had no choice but to swap it for another phone.

Apparently the white balance issues are still present in the Galaxy S7 too, too much yellow in daylight and too much red in low light while also brightening pictures up more (possibly in the drivers post processing software) to make up for the fact that the pictures are slightly inferior, giving you the impression it captures more light when in reality it doesnt.

All in all as with the S6, the S7 two sensors look similar and the difference is not that big of a deal, except for people like me who cant stand that stupid tint produced in most isocell shots.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NonXtreme:
But samsung never advertise or promise s7 camera being sony or isocell, so they are not at fault here.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
Since the display units perform better than the sold units, it is Samsungs fault for false advertising, because the display units ARE the advertised units.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NonXtreme:
So how will you prove that the display unit perform better?

There is very little different between 2 sensor and determining which one is better is also down to personal preference.

So unless you can point out the significant differences that make one better than the other, I don't think it's going to work.

Well that's my opinion though.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
When you buy a product you have the right to know what you are buying, when you are buying a phone because you liked said phone and the display unit you tested is different than the one you buy, be it by color, brand, model, even if the ringtone is different, you have every legal right to refuse the phone and ask your money back. You can thank to the guys who made the Consumer Protection Laws, so cheap shots like these will not happen to us if it is not our will.

I also contacted my consumer protection lawyer firm and they said the same, its my legal right to ask my money back and return the product if the said product has anything different than the product at the display unit and if i can proove that difference, isocell is different than sony imx, not only by brand but even by the final results produced in the image quality, even if the quality was the same but i wanted the isocell or the sony imx and the display unit is different than the one sold and nobody informs you which version you will get, you have the legal right to refuse said phone even if nothing wrong is with it.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] NaimC:
The problem here is that it's contentious whether or not one is better than the other. For example, I presently own two S7 Edge's, one with the Britecell and one with the IMX260, and I'll probably end up keeping the one with the Britecell, as it not only performs better than the Sony half the time, but because that particular device happens to also have a perfectly calibrated screen. The fact that the Britecell has a slightly shallower depth of field isn't necessarily a bad thing either, because unless you're pixel peeping and zooming in hundreds of percent on non focus point areas of shots, it sort of gives shots a slightly more DSLR esque appeal.

I think the point I'm trying to make here is that neither is actually definitively better than the other.

After several days of low light testing with both, here's how I'd summarise my experience thus far.

Britecell low light advantages

More often slightly sharper in focus area

More often slightly less noise in focus area

Tends to be more colour accurate

Tends to be less temperamental with colour noise in large areas of black

Slightly shallower focus area (could be a disadvantage to some)

IMX260 low light advantages

More often sharper in non focus or background areas

More often slightly less noise in non focus or background areas

Slightly wider focus area

Slightly faster extreme low light focusing
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] TheWarKeeper:
I cannot state 100% sure on the galaxy s7 isocell vs sony, the impressions ive got from numerous comparisons including yours is that the isocell still has yellow tint in good light which is easelly noticed in concrete, white cars, green grass and any light objects and red tint or purple tint in low light which is very easelly noticed in the dark sky and other dark places.

Having said that, the galaxy s6 suffered from the exact same problem, one galaxy s6 has isocell and another has sony imx, ive been with both, posted pictures with both and numerous other sites posted pictures of both, all showing very clearly that the isocell suffers from color accuracy issues, since i already know the faults of the s6 isocell it was easy for me to spot them on the s7 aswell, from your comparison is a little bit harder to compare but from other comparisons in pure daylight or pure low light its very easy.

All in all, even if all results were the same and the only difference was the camera brand and when you buy a specific device because you know it should have camera A, but then the phone comes with camera B which is the same in quality as camera A, it doesnt matter... you still have the legal right to claim your money back, because you paid money for camera A and not for camera B and you couldnt care less if its almost the same or difference is minimal.

Its not the corporations who have the right to manage your money the way They want, its you that you have the right to spend your money on what you want.

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EDIT:

Also 1 very important point that i forgot to mention Galaxy S7 isnt using britecell, its actually using isocell ( the same technology present in both Galaxy S5 isocell and Galaxy S6 isocell) except the pixel size is increased and theres much more phase detection pixels, overall the tech is the same.

Britecell is a completely different technology, even though other brands have implemented a similar strategy into their phones, britecell for now is not yet released commercially in a phone AFAIK.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] vincent2167:
I looked at the EXIF of some comparisons and one difference I noticed is that the minimum ISO of the isocell is ISO 40, while I haven't seen any sony going below ISO 50.

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