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[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
I am still surprised why they haven't implemented continous focus for the Sony camera app. That makes for instant photos like you get with FV-5 and a several other camera apps that allows for continious focus mode. It's just small things to implement that are already supported by camera drivers. Allowing full freedom would make it the best camera on a mobile. As is it is the best allround camera superior in some situations and inferior in some. :confused:
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
Just some lazy devs that dont want to improve the awesomeness of its camera hardware. I dont know really if it goes related that Sony sells the best sensors to Samsung, Apple and more...

It does happen with Nintendo, that they dont wanna launch Mario and Zelda games in smartphones because they think that it will harm the sells of their consoles...

It sucks because the unique thing that get me to sell my Z5 for get the Galaxy S7 is the better auto mode in camera of the Samsung one. Just do pics without think in nothing and get instant awesome pics. You go out with girls to clubs and just take many pics with her cause they all love them lol. Its really the thing.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
[MENTION=4656899]Dpk1[/MENTION]

Much worse conditions than the ones from S7/Z5 comparison.

Yet the result is much better than the Sony shots above.

So..... When you make a comparison next time, do it more precisely.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Sony mobiles would do good with OIS and ditch their aggressive DIS that goes for high ISO in favor of fast shutter speed. Though Iphones should not be used as a metric as they are mediocre both sensor wise and post-processing wise. Z1+ series easily outdoes all Iphones in nearly all conditions. S7 is no metric either becouse aslong as they continue to use their hideous post-processing that is very evident in auto mode it just screams 'cheap oldschool digital camera'.

No one that likes photographing wants 10 Instagram "gritty filters" pre-applied. Becouse that is how S7 photos look like in auto mode and the more finegrain detail the worse it gets (low light is better and has more relaxed post-processing).

About chicks and clubs, well OIS will be much better than DIS in such conditions and since alcohol is in the picture more than often steady hands aint so steady. Especially afterwards when they drag you home and wants to have fun including the camera.. :laugh:
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Your image looks absolutely horrible. It's severely underexposed, noisy as hell and details are gone. That's what happens when you have 1 second maximum shutter speed at night. It's simply not enough.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Mate, knock yourself in the head, just hard. And than maybe come back or not.

How can anyone be so freaking dumb to write essential bull..crap? On the forum, constantly?

I mean you finally prove you're just clueless troll, just another one.

How can anything be UNDEREXPOSED when showing detail in almost completely black scenario?

But actually what to expect from the idiot.
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
I hope that Sony improves software camera in Android N. I just didn't want to sell my z5, but S7 is the best Android phone launched ever.

Period
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Hope Sony steps up on the camera app design/functions and freedom of use. About the S7 being "best ever" well.. I aint paid by neither Sony nor Samsung so no, it aint the best phone ever and neither is Z5 unless all you target is a specific phone function. In that case HTC wins sound with its superb sound system and speaker output (M9, maybe M10 to), Z1+ series cameras (overall perfomance) and S7 well.. S7 wins the "pre-applied Instagram filters on photos" category for eye-cutting visuals. If it doesn't make your eyes bleed it aint done right! :laugh::cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
[MENTION=1236539]doministry[/MENTION].. would you mind sharing with us the link (like google drive) for original uncompressed photograph you posted above? I would like to compare that with the ones I posted here.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
That's the kind of reply i expected from you. Nothing but arrogant ad hominem. Not the first time. I have tried to educate on this very topic previously, so i won't try anymore. Obviously you are not willing to understand what is going on.

I'm sure that most people will understand, as long as Z5's max shutter speed is 1 second, high quality night photography is impossible with Z5. S7's max shutter speed of 10 seconds is sufficient for many type of night photography. LG's flagship phones have 30 second max shutter speeds, which means LG's phones have even more capable cameras for night photography.

Of course for most people this is irrelevant, as very few people are willing to use a stand with their smartphones. For photography enthusiasts, Sony's smartphones are most likely the worst smartphones currently on the market. The camera software is just so limited.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Sure.

https://flic.kr/p/H4sdKG

The same res as your photo. I don't know why your photo is so small.

This small res helps hiding defects...

Anyway my shot is in almost complete darkness. The photo is very close to the real situation but it was even darker.

Consider higher ISO and faster shutter speed.

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As I went through tons of S7 and all other smartphone's comparisons online, S7 has it's own problems, including idiotic unreal colours,

oversharpening etc. The same with LG. Algorithms were changed compared to previous gen devices so some areas are actually worse than before.

The only real advantage is more manual control. Z5's video is unbeatable in EIS BTW.

I promise the comparison just when I meet my friend with S7 and I will test both.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Thanks for the link. To my eye the IQ is essentially the same. Yours apparently might look "better" due to different lighting conditions and the scene captured. As you've said "almost complete darkness" vs mine in complete darkness (at about 3 am in the night). Also your photo looks brighter with exposure time of 0.8 sec vs mine with that of 1 sec (at same iso of 250), so all in all different lighting conditions.

I agree that colours on Z5 are better (esp in daylight) compared to S7 (owing to samsungs overprocessing), but thanks to better manual controls and RAW that can be overcome on the S7. I know it takes time but you still have the option to process the best photos yourself.
[Xperia Z5 General] hawker_gb:
Since when photography enthusiasts use phones for photos?

Xperia Z5 via Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I'd love to have more manual control as well.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Many have since Nokia 808. I have since Nokia N8. Of course not as the main camera, but smartphones are always with us, unlike DSLR's

LG G4's camera software was many ways groundbreaking (in the android world) and it set a new standard. LG's camera software is clearly designed for photography enthusiasts.

Z5's optics are clearly geared towards photography enthusiasts. The high quality ultra wide-angle lens is unique but very impractical for everyday point & shoot use. Only a photography enthusiast can appreciate the lens. It's a shame Sony hasn't followed to suit with its camera software.

I still use my Z5. I am quite happy with the image quality in most situations. I am willing to live with the horrible camera software because of the ultra wide-angle lens.
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
How do you guys clean the lens? (Z5p) Alcohol or other cleaning solutions?

I'm afraid to scratch or damage the lens while cleaning it...
[Xperia Z5 General] hawker_gb:
No alcohol.

100% cotton + non alcohol

Xperia Z5 via Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
here are a few night shots from Z5p...

includes 20MP Superior auto + 8MP manual ISO + 20MP manual with scene control + HDR on for a few of them

Clearly manual control + HDR ON is very effective!

The first attached picture is showing the real lightening condition!

full resolution images:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_5WeqOkEnzR0F0VlVUT0hSQUU&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
microfiber cloth and a little bit of water works perfectly. :cool:

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Well it does a lot better for dynamic scenes comapred to the S7 which leaves a lot to desire at ISO 800 and above. We are talking potato level at ISO 1250. S7 at ISO 1250 produces worse image quality than my Z1 with mods do at ISO 2500+. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] chinmoy32:
Sony should make the IMX300 and all the other CMOS sensor's driver source code open to everyone so that people can edit and modify them at their will and get the best out of em. juat like I used to do back in the days with my Sony Ericsson K750i's camera driver named "CAMDRIVER0.DAT" . which was a simple text file with DAT extension and written in assembly language of some sort.

I want this because i believe that Sony's sensors are the best in business in terms of hardware but they really are bad at making softwares, drivers and image processing algorithms. If they were to make the source code of the core camera sensor driver open to public, which is found in the "system/vendor/camera" folder in the root directory of any SONY phone as a compiled version with the DAT extension [i.e for Xperia TX its "KMO13BS0_IMX091.DAT"], general users with interest and/or programming background could edit and modify them to their need and then other camera apps from the market could be used to take the actual pictures with more quality.

The problem with sony mobile's camera is the interpolation algorithm which must be used to generate any kind of image from a bayer array type CMOS sensor. From the look of photos taken with sony mobiles now a days I can say that the post processing algorithms are also pretty crappy in terms of exhaustive noise reduction and JPEG compression.

Last but not least, Sony should have implemented Google's Camera 2 API to its full extent for its Xperia Flagship lines starting from Xperia Z1. A 23 MP camera with sony's sensor cant capture image in DNG RAW format is a real shame for SONY and its user.

A nice quality centric, well written driver for the IMX*** CMOS sensors used in various sony xperia flagship devices can really be the milestone that could define sony mobile for the next decade.

I wish Sony will take my writing seriously.

------

Chinmoy Barman,

Computer Engineer, life long Sony Ericsson & Sony user and developer,

Dhaka, Bangladesh.
[Xperia Z5 General] islanders:
no regrets camera is just amazing , you need to learn how to take pictures , or buy an iphone everything is auto
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Even my Xperia Z1 with mods or without puts the 6s Plus to shame (I have one I recieved for work). And judging by Iphone 7 official media shots it also outpeforms it without problems although 7 got a good uppgrade for dynamic range but still hangs on to applying "Instagram" filters onto photos to make them look better. A good camera does great photos displaying reality as it is without filtres. ?
[Xperia Z5 General] amueedqazi:
Will using custom roms like CM or AOSP change anything, better processing.
[Xperia Z5 General] ztv--:
I once made a comparison post about this outlining just how bad the post-processing is.

Standard picture, manual, 21mp 4:3, no HDR, fully zoomed in:

Screenshot from a 4K video, no SteadyShot, H264, fully zoomed in:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dhicky:
Yes I regret it, the camera doesn't match the money, I should have gone for Z2 instead. But yeah I am just using my Z5. Hopefully there will be someone who made cyberian camera for z5 then I won't regret this
[Xperia Z5 General] zacharias.maladroit:
there was cyberian for Lollipop https://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-d...ian-camera-t3267271/post73252851#post73252851

for current ROMs there's Xnext https://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/sonyz5-family-unlocked-xz-xc-camera-t3463148
[Xperia Z5 General] Dhicky:
Thanks for the information, I am actually using Xnext camera, but the shutter speed is not working on Z5 Nougat 7.1.1, I am still a little bit happy with Xnext, but I just wish I could get the full cyberian 8 for z5. I haven't tried cyberian camera 2.4 for Z5. I'll give it a try later and update if it works. :)
[Xperia Z5 General] furkandeger:
Nah, don't bother it was just a glorified Xnext... It's actually worse now because no updates.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dhicky:
I see ? thank you... Just waiting for a miracle to happen lol
[Xperia Z5 General] spynathan:
No regrets here. Had mine for eh, over a year now. Worst thing I ever did to it was drop it face first on concrete, somehow the screen didn't even scratch... Camera wise I was disappointed at first, the specs were good but the picture processing was miserable and the overall optimization of the rom would often cause the phone to overheat doing simple things like using the GPS. (Worth noting I live in Alabama, it reaches over 100 degrees during the summer pretty often.) Eventually I looked into modding the phone, currently I'm running carbon rom, and I use the ProShot camera app which is simply STUNNING. End of the day, with all the mods I've applied to my phone the custom roms and everything else, I can easily take much better pictures than my friends Galaxy S8. A lot of it though, at the end of the day it comes down to the person using it more than the device itself. If you're willing to put in the work, whether it be through using manual controls or custom software like a custom rom or camera app you can easily blow away most devices without any mods using auto mode. And I gotta thank all the developers here on the forums, that put so much work out for free like CarbonRom, and the various camera apps and mods for the Z5.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
You should have taken another photo using 8MP for comparison. The 4K still has too much image compression (macroblocks). Too many reviews only look at 20MP mode, but except under very good lighting I prefer to shoot in 8MP as it seems a bit faster and the images are sharper. The images are somewhat oversharpened but they also retain more noise rather than smearing it off. There's no OIS but using 8MP seems to decrease the chance of blurred photos in low light due to the supersampling and the fact that the ISO and shutter speed are kept fairly high in Superior Auto mode.

The biggest regret about this phone is how bad the shutter lag is. Every update people are saying "it's faster, it's fixed" but it's still there. In 7.0/7.1 it seems faster to save the image but there is still a delay between pushing the shutter and the capture of the image. The Xperia X series and beyond fix this yet Sony is somehow to bring it to the Z5. Third party camera apps are even worse as the autofocus algorithm is messed up and hunts a lot.

Someone should make an app where it opens and automatically records 4K video, and then you can press the capture button to save stills. Facebook Messenger does a similar trick ensuring no shutter lag, but it's using the 1080p live view feed.

Another annoyance is that you can't change white balance in 1080p video, only the 4K app, nor can you manually focus. You can change the tone bias to be warmer or cooler, but the white balance will still shift depending on the lighting conditions - it seems this hasn't been fixed in Xperia XZ Premium and whatnot. The video quality is great but when I'm taking fireworks the phone will often hunt for focus. On my old HTC Butterfly s I could at least lock exposure and focus.
[Xperia Z5 General] bBigBrO:
Gotta be honest here:

1- Nope, not for me. It was a hardware issue that has been corrected.

2- Actually noticed it when using stock ROM, I somehow got rid of it by installing custom ROMs. That Sony compression is really bad IMO.

3- It is normal for it's camera I believe, because of it's angle or focus or I don't remember what. Doesn't really bother me.

4- Wide lens, so it needs to correct fisheye distortion someway, I believe. Doesn't bother me tbh.

5- Never noticed it. Maybe because of a custom ROM?

6- Yes, that happens to me sometimes BUT happens less with my custom ROM somehow.

7- Doesn't bother me actually, cause I do not use the original Sony camera app

I'll also point out that i'm using exclusively Sony phones since the Xperia Z, so I can consider myself a regular customer. Sony never deceive me, except with the Z5's processor that overheats a lot. I got it controlled with my custom ROM.

I'll be honest again: I hate the Stock ROMs of every phone. Custom all the way.

Have a nice day :D
[Xperia Z5 General] tge101:
What custom ROM are you using that increases camera performance? I'm on Carbon and it seems worse for me.
[Xperia Z5 General] bBigBrO:
CR-5.1 on Android 7.1.2
[Xperia Z5 General] tge101:
Same as me. You're just using the built-in camera and you think it's better than stock?
[Xperia Z5 General] spynathan:
(Hope these links work...) Some pics I've taken with my Xperia Z5, if you think they're awful then your expectations are a wee too high my friends. https://pre00.deviantart.net/541a/th/pre/f/2017/259/e/a/the_smart_macro_by_spynathan-dbnnse5.jpg

https://t01.deviantart.net/4SJzcb-F.../f/the_rivers_mirror_by_spynathan-dbnnrxz.jpg

https://pre00.deviantart.net/b862/t..._path_the_water_runs_by_spynathan-dbnnr7d.jpg
[Xperia Z5 General] tge101:
Stock?
[Xperia Z5 General] spynathan:
Nah using carbon rom, ProShot app, optimizations, mods, ect.
[Xperia Z5 General] tge101:
Can you be more specific about the optimizations and mods?
[Xperia Z5 General] spynathan:
FSC, custom camera tweaks, and Lspeed.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Peter_S_Reid:
[I searched for this on the forums -- apologies if it's already been answered.]

I'm photographing/videoing through a kaleidoscope. Beautiful results with fixed shooting, but a problem when moving the phone. I made a small rig for the phone and a prismatic kaleidoscope (one with a glass element at the end), so that it's locked in place directly in front of the rear lens, and is completely rigid with respect to the phone -- no relative movement. (In other words, the phone and scope are part of a fixed unit.) THEN... when I hold the rig, and point it around the room, the image seems to lag slightly behind the movement, almost as if there's an inertia in the filming. (For example: start off motionless -- wonderful picture. Then move the camera upwards -- the image shifts up, but when I stop moving the phone, the image then continues moving slightly. It's always in the same direction as the original direction of movement.

I notice this with the camera mode too: hold it still in your hands, and then move it smoothly upwards. When you stop moving, the image keeps moving a little longer.

Is this some kind of damping on the camera, to stop jerky movements? Is there a way to turn it off? It makes locked-off filming of the kaleidoscope image almost impossible (or at least, it looks pretty poor, as though it were hand-held).

If anyone has any ideas / solutions, I'd be grateful; in every other respect the filming on the camera is superb.

Peter
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Peter_S_Reid:
Update -- a weird parallax effect (without the parallax)!

Hi --

Looking into this in more detail... here's an experiment to try. And if you can explain why it happens, I'll be impressed.

Hold the phone up, in camera mode, pointing at a distant wall, say, and hold a pencil to one side of the phone so that it partly sticks into the shot. (Angle the pencil so that it's pointing away from you, then try to focus on its tip.) With grid lines turned on, and keeping the pencil as still as possible, relative to the phone, move the phone gently from side to side.

The pencil MOVES relative to the gridlines, swaying back and forth (and up and down too if you move vertically), even though you aren't changing the position of the pencil relative to the camera by one millimetre!!!

What is going on? Why is the camera software (it has to be in software) doing this?

(I have a video of this to which I can post a link, if people don't believe me!)

I doubt there's a solution to the effect, but I'm intrigued to know why it happens (and immensely frustrated).

AND I've just discovered that it doesn't happen on a colleague's S5 !! did Samsung change the way in which the software works?

Peter
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lawrence750:
i believe this is the OIS feature of the camera. I don't know if it can be disabled though
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Neverendingxsin:
Left my local bestbuy last night and a couple blueshirts there told me that they would be releasing the S7 and S7 Edge this Monday. I was pre-ordering and asked when it came out and they told me I could pick it up on monday.

So if you preordered from bestbuy i'd recommend calling them and seeing if they are also releasing it early.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chas10:
I don't know how truthful BestBuy is. I got my pre-ordered T-Mobile S7 on the 3rd of March and was told by my local BestBuy store that they had the Otterbox cases in stock for the S7. So I drive over to the store and find out that they have the cases in stock but won't be releasing them until the 11th of March because that's when the phones will be released. I will NOT be going back to BestBuy again!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Crewville96:
I have a hard time believing that.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andromendous:
I totally believe it. Their total idiots and all they care about is sales
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andybaby:
All big box stores do. Why i try and avoid them like the plague.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andromendous:
I bought a surround sound system from them a month ago. He told me i was gonna get a discount and hed hook me up with an hdmi and optical cable. Then he was tryin to talk me into joinin their "rewards program" it was like every $100 you get a dollar or something. I was like, "it'd take me so long, im good" but i bought a tv a couple months before so he said i could get credit for that aswell. So finally i said, "well, your not gonna send me a bunch of emails if i sign up are you". He said, " haha noooooo"!

Long story kinda shortened.

I paid full price for the SS system.

I got a wopping $5 off a used hdmi cable. Which was $20

Paid full price for optical audio cable $25

Then at the end i said oh can we add my tv to the rewards program. (Of course the salesman left so i was left with some kid to check me out)

He said, "oh man we'd have to call customer service and i dont think theyd do it anyway"

[emoji51] [emoji51] [emoji51]

Fine.......

The following weeks im flooded with best buy emails, i unsubscribe at least 10 times with no stop to it. Finally have to call a 800 number and scream at them to make it stop.

Yeah.... Best Buy can shove it...

Oh i ended up takin it back anyway so i got my money back. Hah
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] jayochs:
big thread on reddit about this: multiple best buy mobile employees confirmed it, and users who went there confirmed it. people got calls to pickup on monday too.

pisses me off bc i chose shipping instead of in store (for the first time ever with best buy) bc i was worried they'd run out of stock before my preorder was fulfilled, so i wouldn't be able to walk in friday and get it. did shipping, thinking they'll def have enough in a warehouse.

yeah, and now they release early lol. so mad.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] scott14719:
Pre ordered from Best buy about 2 hours after they started taking pre orders and I haven't received notification yet.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] duplissi:
You should. I heard about this from https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS7/comments/490phl/best_buy_preorders_go_out_monday/, and went to my local best buy to be sure. They had no idea what I was talking about, and reaffirmed the 11th as the release date. This was yesterday, today my GF got a call that our phones have arrived and that we can pick them up tomorrow.