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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MechaMorph:
Bingo. The less then 1% (probably far less then that since we're talking just T-Mobile here and maybe Sprint) that wants root means absolutely nothing to T-Mobile and Samsung money wise. T-Mobile wants to keep their customers happy so they'll fight the good fight but if Samsung lays down the law and says bite me who here is going to leave T-Mobile over a Samsung decision? Anybody? No? Yeah that's what I thought.

I did sign the petition but even with 1000 signatures, assuming all 1000 devices get returned, even at $800 (we'll use the S7 Edge AT&T price for math) a pop that's only $800,000 and that number is probably high. Oh wait...you hear that noise? Yeah me neither. That's the sound of Samsung giving a crap about $800,000. They sold over 73 million smartphones last year and those numbers are lower then previous years (market saturation and competition...gotta love it). They made nearly $21 billion from smartphone revenue. Operating profit was $2.44 billion. You really think they're going to care about $800,000?

People are talking about bad PR for T-Mobile/Samsung. What bad PR? Did I miss an article on a legitimate news site? Nope didn't think so.

That means the bad PR being talked about must be the Twitter and Facebook posts about something 99% of the population doesn't even know anything about? Tmonews.com? Other Android blogs? Nobody but us reads that stuff. Nobody else cares. Verizon and AT&T locked their bootloaders. Nobody else cared. We had social media then too and it didn't do a damn thing.

Bad PR to a major corporation like these guys is something that actually hits the major news wires. Something that could cause their stock price to fall.

I'm simply looking at this logically. People can call me a debbie downer or whatever. I don't care. Do I think the bootloader needs to be unlocked? Hell yes. Do I think Samsung will do it? Probably not. They may surprise me but I would have expected an official comment from them by now if they actually cared.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
Just saw a post on Facebook concerning International Samsung Pay on a Samsung Wireless FB post....

"You need to make it available for people who have international phones. I bought my phone outright in Singapore and can't use samsung pay in the US."
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TheKnux:
Towelroot doesn't work. At least the one I tried.

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What's the worst that can happen if we did try what he was talking about and with the Verizon kernel sources. Maybe we can get someone on the Verizon forums to screeshot their kernel info under about phone and compare it to ours or would that do nothing to help us? Sorry if I sound stupid, I know nothing about this stuff, I'm just here for the ride.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Xileforce:
Well, the bigger problem is that we don't actually have root. So even with T-Mobile source it wouldn't work ATM.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jcase:
Just to stick this out there, before trying random exploits, please consider the outcome. These devices should have dm-verity enabled, most exploits are designed to install su into system. If they worked (i dont believe any currently public ones do) they could result in the phone just not booting.

These phones would need an exploit unlocking the bootloader, so that ramdisks could be altered as to not enforce dm-verity.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
Unfortunately, I agree with you. We just don't have the numbers to be anything more than an annoyance to them. The only way that this would happen is if they wanted to give us a good will gesture. Everyone complaining won't be turning in their phones. (I am however) The responses from T-Mobile has gone from we are talking to Samsung... to you should contact Samsung. Like you said, the 99% + people that are buying the S7 don't care about this issue. T-Mobile knows that these Twitter blasts will die off before long so they are just trying to look like the good guys until it does. (It is Samsung's fault not ours, we care about you...) Returns are part of any retail business and this is assumed and accounted for. Even if every single person complaining returned their phone, it would just be soaked up with all the normal returns that have nothing to do with this issue.

With all that said, nothing will change without trying so everyone should keep pushing as hard as they can until a final answer one way or the other is given.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
Your opinion has been noted and subsequently discarded.

The likelihood of success doesn't matter. Even though $800,000 is chump change to Samsung, I don't think any company would willingly lose ANY somewhat-substantial amount of money if there was a simple way not to (assuming it is simple. I can't say for sure). let's scale it down to the Average Joe. Say Joe has $10,000 in his savings account, he makes $25 an hour, and he's got $5 in his pocket right now. If he were to stand to lose that $5, but could prevent it from happening with a simple action, wouldn't he? But considering his income and savings account, $5 is chump change right? Why should he care? Because it's still his money and he can prevent it from happening. The same principle applies here. It's not the amount of money Samsung stands to lose, it's the fact that they can prevent it from happening, so why wouldn't they?

Plus, this is still our best shot. Even if the likelihood of success is 0.01%, people would still try. Why wouldn't we? 0.01% is still better than 0%, which are our chances if we don't try. Is it wishful thinking? Maybe, but that doesn't mean we should give up.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but that kind of negativity isn't needed here. If we fail, so what? At least we tried.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
Yeah i wont be given up already put to much on the line with all this.

We are getting closer and closer to the goal so im getting more and more excited :)

im flooding the twitter with post #bootloadergate some people like to give up on things i do not and i wont give up until we hear something from them. If we hear and there not going to do anything id be happy to trade in my device and move to another one i am on the jump on demand. I wont leave T-Mobile for the prime fact they offer so much more then the other guys and there cheaper. So that is were i stand i am pretty sure the 600 people are in agreement with me on this. Most of us know we can trade in our devices at any time and if t-mobile gives us any **** we will deal with it. T-Mobile is good with dealing with customers and always saying yes its a weakness of theirs i think however we are doing great right now. So to your topic. Yes Samsung might not give a **** however others might. Remember millions of people will see this that is why we are using twitter as the forefront. HE has 2.2 MILLION followers. Just the right person needs to see what we are speaking up and someone might speak up and tweet and then we have it in the bag. Your post makes a whole lot since however i do not care right now about losing i care about winning. Just an FYI Ebay and The Craigslist is full of S7 and S7 edges almost 10 pages in my area alone. So some people who bought there devices out right well... There selling them. And have already moved on. However the cool thing about T-Mobile is there plans and how they do there device leases. IF all fails don't you worry ill be getting my note 5 back and boom bam done.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] rockspin:
Campaign needs to be relentless
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] cwalker0906:
They should do it just for the pr they will get from addressing it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jdidtht:
They will, in the next few weeks an Ota will come around for the edge and make us happy, the ones who keep the edge anyways
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] cwalker0906:
I'm hoping so...this is really a nice phone even without root....and I haven't been on a stock rom since the s1 lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jdidtht:
I agree, and same. I will run this device regardless for the first time since flip phone days pretty much. Until the note 6 comes out and praying the bl is unlocked just basically for a few key root features.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Pneumatic:
I second this. I can actually live with this version of TouchWiz and can block out the junk with Package Disabler Pro but we need root. Is that even a possibility given the current situation?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
The Device is smooth for me i do hear people state its slow and bloated i have not noticed that much i have disabled as much as i can non rooted.

Get the job done for me and all mt friends love touching my phone. However i might not like thats its not rooted but i do like the fact the device is a power house
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Nv1dia:
Anyone not wanting to be involved in our social media campaign is more than welcome to leave. anyone that wants to stay we could use all the help we can get! Coming in and spreading doubt, and being pessimistic only hurts the cause not help! Lets push this campaign and keep the pressure on Tmobile.

Has ANYONE noticed T-Mobile has started replying with Generic responses? If T-Mobile Responds to you now, it is usually along the lines of "We hear what your saying, and we agree, Have you tried talking to samsung? All galaxy S7 phones ship with a locked bootloader" This is not exact and it's never the same, but these people are definitely being told WHAT to reply with.... Call them on their generic response. I did, and they responded asking if it was too robotic....

It leads me to believe that their morning roundtable discussions with whomever runs the Social networking relations has basically given them a script to follow and to play damage control, this way anyone reading it thinks that samsung is to blame and not T-Mo.. anyone agree/disagree?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
I agree with your comments on their responses but to me it was like this from day one. What they are saying has just changed is all. It was that "John Tweeted that our engineers are talking to Samsung..." and now as you said, they are just throwing you back at Samsung instead. What else can they do? They don't have any answers to give so their job is just to try and control it the best they can.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] entropism:
AdGuard. Seriously. I'm one to root my phone as soon as it boots the first time, but between AdGuard, and Nova I'm pretty damn happy. Especially now that Chrome v.49 solves the MAJOR lag issues previous versions had. Xposed would be nice though...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Bubba Fett:
Thanks. I've heard of it but never needed it. I'll look it up now.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] lordcisco:
I never used it guess I'll try it out I basicly root to sniff packets alter games and run auto click bots for traffic and ptc sites
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] entropism:
Free version for browser ads, paid for in app. I just use the free, works perfectly.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] anactoraaron:
It's been a long while since I've had a Samsung phone (S2&Blaze), but "Enable OEM unlock" is available under developer options just like my old G4. With the G4, it was as easy as enabling OEM unlock, adb reboot bootloader, and fastboot oem unlock for bootloader unlock. Then you could flash til your hearts content :) As I said, it's been a long while since I've sported a Sammy phone, so I don't know much about knox and unlocking it, etc, but it was nice to see that option again :P

T-Mo has a good history of leaving bootloader unlock/root easy, so I'm sure there will be great info on root/recovery here soon :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Bubba Fett:
I don't mean to get off topic, but while we are waiting patiently/excitedly/nervously, Adguard is really impressive for no root. Thanks for the tip. Great app to recommend for my non root buddies.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
Just looking at the other thread and this looks promising if no one else gets to it first.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TheKnux:
It is for me.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TheKnux:
Get AdGuard. Google it since its not on the Play Store anymore. Love it so far.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] glensta:
Link for AdGuard https://adguard.com/en/adguard-android/overview.html
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
Adguard works on VPN. Its a decent option when there is no choice but can't compete with the methods available with root. And that's not even taking into account it's not free.

Sent from my Commodore Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] zelendendotcom:
any other recommendations?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Fenny:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.adblockplussbrowser

Adblock for Samsung browser. Just like the desktop version. :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jcadduono:
Hello guys,

I called Samsung's engineering mobile department.

They told me that the T-Mobile S7 has a secure-flash locked bootloader, similar to Verizon's Samsung phones over the past few years.

My most sincere apologies.

I will not be making TWRP for this device, as there will be no way to flash it.

What's even scarier though is that dm-verity is enabled in the kernel, which means you won't be able to flash modified system partitions which is how the S6 locked models got their roots.

Your only hope will be a live root exploit, unfortunately, such as geohot's old towelroot software. Start searching for kernel vulnerabilities!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Root-Maniac:
Fml! What a waste of a upgrade!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
Oh damn.......
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] king3opobn:
???

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3335224

[Confirmed/Answer] We can relax now, the Galaxy S7 on T-Mobile IS bootloader UNLOCKED
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jcadduono:
he talked to a live chat rep lol, tell you what, i'll build a working twrp for your device just to show you what happens when you try to flash it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] 2015Dthomp1:
So is it locked or not???
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] StrumerJohn:
Aww man... I already switched to an iPhone for the past couple of months because of "**** it my Verizon S6 is locked so I may as well get an iPhone"... Now I switch to T-Mobile hoping to enjoy the Android life again and they decide to start locking bootloaders now too?! Such a disappointment. I have so many apps for Android I enjoy that I can only use rooted (e.g. being able to use my PS4 controller). Hopefully we can find a root exploit that doesn't require flashing things, but I'm definitely sad that being stuck on TouchWiz is basically... going to be my whole experience with this phone lol.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] NotATreoFan:
I think I'm going to go back and enable a lot of the stuff I killed with PDP. I've got a second Edge sitting at home, on a simple standby battery test, and it has made it since Friday night and still sits in the upper 50's on battery. I'm convinced something I killed with fire is actually causing extra drain.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Pneumatic:
It's funny you say that.... I thought the same thing (and I managed to kill off some stuff that was essential to my Gear S2 along the way) so I went back and enabled everything. I am disabling stuff very slowly and watching the results rather than just dropping a nuclear bomb and shutting down everything at once. If I spot something that is causing more or less battery drain I will let you know. :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dynospectrum:
lmao... hasn't even been a week. patience
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
I'm starting to tag other executives at TMO hoping to get a response from one of them. Can't hurt...

[MENTION=3373379]JohnLeger[/MENTION]e [MENTION=227583]art[/MENTION]_lucero [MENTION=1857205]sievert[/MENTION]Mike [MENTION=516200]braxtonc[/MENTION]arter
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] rockspin:
Thanks for this hawkstwelve
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
[MENTION=218401]Brian[/MENTION] Austin had to take his pre-workout before tweeting. Lol.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
John is on Periscope.... now is our opportunity to get a response out of him! Go into the Periscope room and start asking for an update!

EDIT: Cannot comment, too full... I don't think any of our bootloader campaign guys got in early enough to comment. :(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] StrumerJohn:
On Periscope "Tomorrow something big is going to happen. You guys should be very excited; I'm going to announce something very big and you guys will be very happy" Probably not unlocked bootloader, but something big is coming? :P
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Pneumatic:
Was that in reply to something or was he just chatting? Were people lighting up the chat with bootloader questions?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] pantmunu:
He prolly bought a new slow cooker I guess. :p
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] StrumerJohn:
Just chatting. I said something about the bootloader, but it was quickly lost in a sea of other messages. Bunch of people asking dumb **** clogging up the chat.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Far2great:
No, only one dude was ??
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MegaNoob:
Yeah I couldn't chat got on too late
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mmtk99:
I spoke with a friend in the mobile store and he told me that if we return the phone then they won't sent the vr
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Far2great:
The more the days passes the less likely i think samsung or tmobile will favor us and unlock the bootloader #givinguphope
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Apexseal:
Jailbreaking/Rooting have been accepted as legal by the DMCA since OCT 2015. Slap them with that... Not allowing to jailbreak/root is illegal.

I believe this should be the approach...

https://www.eff.org/document/library-congress-2015-dmca-1201-rules
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MegaNoob:
It may be legal to unlock it but it doesn't mean it's illegal for them to try there hardest to prevent you from doing so. And they seem to be trying hard!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ascraig29:
Not unlocked boot loader? Doesn't sound like anything big so I won't hold my breath
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] rudbwoy:
Signed the online petition. Trying to help with this now, so it does happen with the Note 6...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] pantmunu:
Just asked him this ..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
Id have to admit. His slow cooker is really nice wish i had one like that...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
Maybe it is just this. Great if you are in to Baseball.

http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/16/t-mobile-to-offer-free-season-of-mlb-tv-premium-to-customers/#more-183605
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] gdmlaz:
I really doubt his big announcement has anything to do with a locked bootloader, Majority of the people have no idea what that even is, I wouldn't get my hopes up, I'm sure he would have updated us in twitter if he had heard or was actually getting any types of update from samsung
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mrbigdrawsz:
More publicity.

http://androidcommunity.com/t-mobile-locked-galaxy-s7-s7-edge-boot-loader-20160316/
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Soufiansky:
They should talk about this on TV really ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] gdmlaz:
Seems like he is just trying to brush this under the table at this point if he was really working on this he would respond to 100s of tweet he has been getting and letting us know they are still working with samsung, etc, etc, etc at this point all JOHN LEGERE is doing is playing the ignroing game and waiting for us to get bored and our return days to come and go....... I really doubt they have even contacted samsung all together, Is really sounding like when direct tv goes down for rain that they tell you their ENGINEERS ARE WORKING ON THE SERVICES IN YOUR AREA
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Paradoxumical:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Side note, @ the fool telling me have patience: you clearly don't know how matters of this nature work, they're extremely time sensitive.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MegaNoob:
Well that sucks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] WalkingHat:
How exactly would it effect the other American operators though?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Soufiansky:
That's sad..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dynospectrum:
xD agreed

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yup, he stated on Periscope (b4 he was aware of our plight) that he had 3-4 big announcements this week.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Ritual82:
Yes it is, just initiated the return process for mine.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dynospectrum:
patience
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ^I'm_With_Stupid:
So does this mean all hope is lost?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Bubba Fett:
We don't want a complete unlock for everyone, just the option to do so of we please. They know this and just blanketed it generally. Thats real BS excuse.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Paradoxumical:
Not much else to say.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Nv1dia:
well if that's samsungs position.. **** them im gonna blast em 1000 times on social media and vent my frustrations.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
Oh dam i made internet news oh lord.... LOL This is great news that they posted also we are making progress slow on the petition side 660 so far its slowing down but the more we push the better we will be
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MechaMorph:
Saw that coming from a mile away.

Don't be surprised when/if the Note 6 is the same way.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
hey buddy. Negative Nancy Just Left and she asked if you could go with her
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] LuigiBull23:
Disregard..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
I'll wait for the announcement from Legere tomorrow and then ask for a return label for the phone. idk about you guys but I wasn't kidding when I said I would return it. I have a perfectly good HTC One M9 waiting to be charged. While this phone is much better, I don't have the freedom for it.

We will since once a more official announcement is made.