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[ZenFone 2 General] Level99:
Less complaining, more positivity. Can't wait for Marshmallow on your phone, which already works basically fine and gets more updates than nearly every other device from manufacturer outside of Xiaomi? Unlock the bootloader and put CM13 on. That's why we have devs that do this. And, if you'll notice, nearly all of those people who make roms here are not the ones complaining about stock 6.0 still not being here. There's no wait that, outside of Google, a stock manufacturer will compare to the speed of custom devs with the right kind of software access. ASUS is concerned with providing a positive experience right out of the gate with their official releases, so of course they're going to take their time. Their software devs are also divided between supporting multiple devices as well as R&D on upcoming devices. Your initial purchase of high-end device at mid-range value price, even with Intel's subsidy on the CPU, barely goes to pay for extended software support beyond the hardware cost. Take that into account, along with how much it cost to develop the thing and marketing materials, and it means that we've been extremely fortunate to get the kind of afterpurchase software updates we've been getting. M is going to be icing on the cake when it arrives for those who chose not to unlock their devices. Just because you're not on M yet doesn't mean your phone is a brick. It still works, even if you have to charge it more often than you feel you should, or have to restart it more often than you'd like if you're still getting memleak problems (which I've not experienced on the stock rom for months, now).

So go ahead, stamp your feet and get huffy about how ASUS is terrible and not doing their job or doing it fast enough and go to another device. That is your right, as a consumer, nobody is stopping you. But I can say, having come from multiple manufacturers so far, two things are certain: 1) ASUS's status is not static. They can be good now and bad later, or vice versa. 2) XDA represents an extreme minority of all smart device users. So while they may lose our service, their bigger loss is our word of mouth. So unless you're going to go out there and run a smear campaign against ASUS, it really isn't going to do much.

From my perspective, we've been, on the whole, treated way better than most major manufacturers. Sure, maybe we didn't get the SHINY AND CHROME new things as quickly as the others, but we've not been left in the cold security-wise, we've been one of the few devices to have had a community representative from ASUS at some point assist here, and they've listened to our feedback in-general about features and issues concerning the device.

Getting back on subject, after having used CM13 vs stock for a while, I'm actually looking forward to the ZenUI experience on 6.0. Some of the things ZenUI does would work very well in conjunction with the various tweaks and changes in Marshmallow, and an updated kernel will also be great once the source for it is released. I'm curious if their memory cleaner will still be present on 6.0, as I thought most android implementers have strayed away from manual RAM flushing.
[ZenFone 2 General] pharatlil:
developing a rom isnt very very hard.. sometimes in xda , only one developer can handle it. only one developer makes very very good rom. even without source codes etc...

ASUS have a lot of engineer about developing but they cant make a great camera app. for example slow motion feature is like a joke and comedy. or video recording like 10 years ago device. But toshiba sensor is not bad. its specs very good. but ASUS engineers cant give us its good features. they codes camera driver like a brandless chinese sensor..

Google making android 7.0 but we are waiting 6.0.... And somebody says be patient...

ARE YOU CRAZY??? dont you see what asus doing... they r kidding with all customers. Now i can understand why all countries dont recognize Taiwan.. :P
[ZenFone 2 General] iancjc:
Since we're still on 5.0 to say we've had loads of updates is bull. We've had loads of bug fixes which have corrected, broken, fixed and introduced more bugs so more releases...... A move to 5.02 or 5.1 or 6.0 or 6.02 would be updates.... We're still on 5.0 so we've not had a single update.
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
Besides the question of whether we get 6.0 sooner or later, it is disappointing that ASUS seem to have dropped off on the monthly security patches. We got Nov, Dec and Jan, but since then nothing, even though they pushed out updates to sort the storage bug. For me Marshmallow would be nice, but I would have been satisfied to have just got 5.1.1 and then 12-18 months of guaranteed security patches.
[ZenFone 2 General] darkmage1991:
i say feel grateful asus has atleast promised mm. samsung is pretty bad too. my 600$ galaxy tab 10.1 2014 just barely got KK a few months ago. thats pretty sad for a device that shipped with JB so your talking 2 years for them to finally release a os update for a flagship tablet.
[ZenFone 2 General] Frankenberrie:
Can your phone make calls? Send and receive text messages? Yeah.... Then your phone is doing what it's meant to do. Stop knocking your $200 budget device and move on. I bet everyone that complains is still using Windows XP and complaining about the stopping of patches. Listen, either you like it or don't. This is a development forum not hardware complaints. Be happy marshmallow is coming soon and shad up!
[ZenFone 2 General] pecholino:
People think that they will have a completely different phone when MM arrives and then they will bit*h about how Asus haven't change a thing:)

It doesn't matter which android version you run as long as everything works. With 5.0, I am not experiencing any bugs. Battery life could be better but with the Atom (TDP twice than SD801) on a 5.5" screen I really can't complain.
[ZenFone 2 General] pharatlil:
personally i'm only waiting for camera improvement. toshiba sensor have good specs. but zenfone 2 video recording functions (recording scale problem and 120 fps slow motion 1/8)very very bad. İf asus will not improve it with MM update i will sell my device and will never buy any asus thing anymore.
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
Mostly I agree, if and when we get Marshmallow that will be a nice bonus, but I don't have any major complaints with the phone as it is on Lollipop. It works. Security is an important issue though, and I would like to see ASUS continue to give us the monthly patches for the useful working life of the device, another year or so.
[ZenFone 2 General] MikeyLee:
Actually it's $300 or $400 depending on the model and it's in no way a "budget" phone. It's less expensive than a GS7 or a G5 because it's sold unlocked and not done so through a major carrier like Sprint or AT&T and it doesn't have the "name" that a Samsung, LG or Motorola has. It's made by one of the better computer manufacturers and people who have devices with issues have every right to complain. They didn't pay what they paid for a screen flickering, non speaker working non WiFi or Bluetooth connecting piece of ****. Companies like Huawei and Umi make a less expensive device that exceeds what some people are getting with this one and that's bull****. Myself, I have no issues with my Deluxe Edition Zenfone 2 and neither does my wife. So nobody else should have the issues they are having either. The devices were not meant to simply send and receive texts and make calls. That's no on way what ASUS advertises and people with issues should have their concerns addressed and their devices replaced. Period
[ZenFone 2 General] pecholino:
400 dollars? who ripped you off?

In Europe, the 32gb/4gb model costs around 250euro (270usd). I got mine for 200eur. I still haven't found a better phone in this price range.

I agree, that people, who are having issues with their devices should get a replacement. But that's not the case here, as we are speaking about a SW update. Softwarewise I have no complaints. Stable, fast, intuitive.

I owned several expensive flagships and comparing the ZF2 to them, it falls behind only in camera quality.
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
In Canada the top end model costs 379 plus 5% tax other parts of the country can add up 16% tax depending on your province that you live in GST is 5% PST is dictated by province and the low end model with 2GB of ram is 279 plus tax

Edit: ours only comes with 64GB 4GB ram or the 16GB 2GB ram model
[ZenFone 2 General] quicksilver53:
My 64gb/4gb model was 379.99 with 12% tax in BC. Got mine in June last year and it is simply splendid for the price. I liked it so much that I picked up a Laser for 279.99 for my wife. :)
[ZenFone 2 General] codejam100:
Sereenshot of beta version. **Unconfirmed
[ZenFone 2 General] pecholino:
Very blurry..
[ZenFone 2 General] mastermarkofroms:
I must be glad I am in Alberta Sheesh the PST tax gets ridiculous I remember being in Saskatchewan and buying something I get for 1.25 for like 3 bucks. I paid 379.00 of course tax but no PST here for the 4gb version with 64gb
[ZenFone 2 General] DimitrisGate13:
found them in bigger res, these are for the Zenfone Laser, not the ZF2

[IMG="Laser MM"]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wp_yMqGsHDk/VvwKfY3b9tI/AAAAAAAAIj8/Vr0VlQDT1lAeUBPfzQ6MjWpSABapKMRHg/s1600/Android%2BM%2Bbeta%2BScreenshot.jpg[/IMG]
[ZenFone 2 General] pecholino:
I like what I see. Asus jumped straight to 6.0.1
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
I had cut your whole thing short but the closets your going to get is the LG G4 which is 599 at some places up here and that is still 200 more then the Zenfone 2 but the camera is miles better and same with the screen I only know cause I used my hardware upgrade and gave my Zenfone to my wife (she needed the phone bad) and I wanted something else
[ZenFone 2 General] Bushcrafter:
Interesting that Asus is jumping straight to 6.0.1 I guess they are getting tired of getting flamed all the time!:D
[ZenFone 2 General] quicksilver53:
Yes, our sales tax sucks. We all hate 7% gst.
[ZenFone 2 General] sheva_xan:
Yeah, I just hope they will not jump over 6.0 and 6.0.1 straight to android N, as they did with 5.1
[ZenFone 2 General] mc2mc2:
They might jump straight to android Z
[ZenFone 2 General] Frankenberrie:
But what delicious treat starts with z?
[ZenFone 2 General] hscrugby:
http://www.littledebbie.com/images/content/cakes_horizontal_zebracakerolls-myw93b.png

Or

https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdygxpxEtL1r4xjhio1_500.jpg

I prefer the Zero bar. But I think marketing would have to kill that.

composed by one monkey on one typewriter
[ZenFone 2 General] Bushcrafter:
Yum,Yum :o :good:
[ZenFone 2 General] mikeysteele:
Because 6 .0 - 6.0.1 is just a point release, not a major version.
[ZenFone 2 General] NiTesh:
Tired of waiting for M update
[ZenFone 2 General] KarloHD:
How long to wait for update M?

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[ZenFone 2 General] agm2112:
Just install CM13. Now I don´t care anymore.
[ZenFone 2 General] aytex:
lol savage
[ZenFone 2 General] fenixx1:
I just want to know, why nobody is asking about the reason the forum from Asus (Zentalk), is down and they don't give any explanations, nor there is any new info on them. Why are people here (most) ignoring the elephant in the living room, and instead focus on trivial things, like wallpapers and minor things in the UI, TWRP, etcetera
[ZenFone 2 General] buge boyo:
Nobody cares about zentalk forum, XDA is where the action is.
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
Zentalk isn't down, it's working same as always. Are you sure you haven't been banned or something?
[ZenFone 2 General] returned4good:
This
[ZenFone 2 General] mp3elv:
is this thread alive? i lost track of the "official" thread about android M, supposedly was announced for April, and april is almost gone anyone has any news about this? or we should start looking into other phones.
[ZenFone 2 General] GroveStreetHomie:
Asus did say that the official Marshmallow release for the ZenFone 2 should be within the 2nd quarter (April 1st - June 30) so Asus still has some time.

I signed up back in January but I couldn't stand the ZenUI and the outdated Lollipop 5.0 (not even 5.1) any more so I just flashed CM 13.
[ZenFone 2 General] alboz83:
ZE551ML for me is almost abandoned. It's incredibile, we have android 5.0 from 1 year and now we don't know anything about android 6! Never Asus

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[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
I ended up giving my Zenfone up to my wife cause the LG G4 was on wicked deal but the battery life on Zenfone is way better but that's pretty much it
[ZenFone 2 General] ChiDi9901:
Same with me. I am honestly not that satisfied with the software of the Zenfone 2, hardware-wise it's decent but that's it. So, I switched to Sony Z3+ anyways and now I realise that I haven't touched my ZF2 for a long time. Even though it's bootloader unlocked with multiple ROMs flashed on it.

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[ZenFone 2 General] aguiamaster:
Not happy for a phone with this price? And again for the price compare with z3? Fair?
[ZenFone 2 General] xpen.xda:
In a couple months people are going to start complaining about Android N availability.. LOL
[ZenFone 2 General] AcostaJA:
Seems you never owned a flagship Samsung, I had the note 2, it was a total shame Samsung just didn't want to update it, also I had an S4 leads shame since I converted it on a Google play edition lasted me until I lost it on an assault.
[ZenFone 2 General] GroveStreetHomie:
But at least we have a strong ROM developement community.
[ZenFone 2 General] Suhas_JS:
Giving up on my ZF2. Have ordered Nexus 6P. No qualms whatsoever with regards to the performance. Amazing development community. Going to miss Pixel Master. Overall I was extremely satisfied with my ZF2. He's gonna stay with me but only as a backup.
[ZenFone 2 General] chiudikas:
Guys, the phone is only a tool. Just because it doesnt run latest OS doesnt mean it's bad. Stop using OS, start using a Phone!
[ZenFone 2 General] flash-:
u had this phone till now and u didn't face any issues like other users ? display/motherboard/blah blah ...etc ?
[ZenFone 2 General] Suhas_JS:
To be truthful and honest, NO!
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
Me neither. Had my Z008 almost since launch and has been top notch in terms of build and reliability.
[ZenFone 2 General] flash-:
thanks [MENTION=6321310]Suhas_JS[/MENTION] [MENTION=6607081]kanagawaben[/MENTION]

been fighting in my head since ever ....saw lot of reviews about broken stuff in the phone with no drops or anything from the user ...so i was hesitate about buying it .....i know it's old now but in my country asus is the only company who offers something like that (good performance with mid-range price) there is no oneplus or xiamoi ..etc .....so i think after one month i'm gonna buy it :)

any tips or ideas are welcomed :p
[ZenFone 2 General] dakunclear:
Yes the major software is a slow go and yes the battery life could be better for a 1080p screen but in other words it's a fantastic phone and has decent repairability considering how cheap the phone is that alone in my opinion makes it a good buy, also note the dev community is active and strong
[ZenFone 2 General] Twotems:
Buy it. I've had mine for over a year with zero issues and it's still performing flawlessly. Get the 4GB 64gb version ZE551ML. Mine is the 32gb which isn't available anymore from what I understand.

I just bought the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro 3GB 32GB SD650 and it's an excellent phone but software wise the Zenfone 2 is far better. Battery wise the Xiaomi is superb.
[ZenFone 2 General] kischde:
Same for me. Running my Zenfone 2 2.3 GHz 4 GB since September and had never had a single issue. Stable, fast and smooth paired with a price of 290 Euros I have to say it's the best phone I had till now (had Motorola Milestone, Samsung Galaxy S2, S3, S4, iPhone 4, LG G2 and G3 before). Can't and wouldn't complain.

Of course I'm also awaiting Android 6 but with a community that active, time will pass.

Maybe I'm just too old for running around like a frightened chicken ^^
[ZenFone 2 General] thunderc8:
Yes true in also very satisfied with zenfone 2 and I had iPhone 3gs, HTC one x, iPhone 5s, galaxy s5 and now zenfone 2 for almost one and a half year and it's fast stable and smoother than any of the phones I had.
[ZenFone 2 General] Emacordoba:
Im coming from galaxy s3 and s5... And i love my asus zf2... I have 4gb 64gb versión, the only problem i have is that... I cant update the Phone, im on .97 firmware and every time i try to update the Phone get an error (dead android) and back to .97 again

Btw the Phone is fast, stable and my battery experience is really good
[ZenFone 2 General] kanagawaben:
It was only released 13 months ago. You are Jonney Shih, and I claim my prize! ;)
[ZenFone 2 General] thunderc8:
No I can get any Chinese phone months before release , how? Because I'm hooked up real good :) that includes xiaomi , huawei I have my phone since January of 2015 CN SKU with bugs but it was stable enough for daily use.

Probably I could have said almost one and a half year since it's a year and 4 months.
[ZenFone 2 General] fred_gaou:
Use sideload command from adb.
[ZenFone 2 General] Emacordoba:
Can u guide me? I have adb tools and latest firmware...
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Anyone from the UK with Vodafone and a recent Samsung device? Did Vodafone lock the bootloader of that Samsung device? I'm desperately trying to find out if the bootloader on my pre-ordered Vodafone UK S7 Edge will be locked, if it is and can't be easily unlocked I'm sending the phone back when I get it.

I spoke to someone at Vodafone and he claimed it did come locked, but I suspect he was confused with sim lock despite my best attempts to explain the difference. I've seen mention on the PingPong root thread of someone who rooted their Vodafone S6 (here), although I'm not sure that root method required an unlocked bootloader without reading up on it.

I'd really hate to return this phone when I get it, but no way in hell am I paying £40 a month for a phone I can't root.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Tezray:
Didn't really think about boot loader I went with EE but from buymobiles.net so I assume it won't have EE stuff on the phone so won't be locked
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] peekie:
Carrier phones like vodafone are locked to the first sim inserted , better get one at carphone warehouse as thats an unlocked version
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
You're confusing sim lock and bootloader lock. I'm taking about the latter.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CuBz90:
No yours won't be branded. It is only branded when ordered directly from EE. I wanted to avoid getting it directly from EE but being 90 days away from the end of my contract left me with that being the only option to upgrade. They're also very slow with updates which is the main reason I wanted to avoid getting it direct.

People keep telling me that at least I get wifi calling but that's not something I will ever use as the signal strength is fantastic in my area.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] felixthecat:
why not cancel and preorder through samsung
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Because, unless I go directly through Vodafone, I don't get the 20% employer discount. And over the two lines I have that saves me £480 over 24 months.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Just in case someone manages to get hold of a Vodafone S7 today (I read at least one person on another forum has had theirs delivered) I would appreciate if someone can check this out and let me know. Apparently, if you go into the dev options and the OEM Lock toggle is there and usable, the phone has an unlocked bootloader. Cheers in advance.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] fkofilee:
I have a voda one turning up today.... Lets see what we get :p
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] mathieulh:
No, that's just the SE Linux Permissive vs Restrictive toggle. Nothing to do with a locked/unlocked bootloader state.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Incorrect.

http://android.wonderhowto.com/insp...ndroid-even-if-you-dont-plan-rooting-0167840/

I find it ridiculous there doesn't appear to be an east way to discover if a devices bootloader is locked or unlocked. Surely there is an app that can discover this?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CuBz90:
Good news by the sounds of it. A few people I know who have the S7 edge from Vodafone have said the bootloader appears to be unlocked.

EE usually lock the load loader too but when I got mine it was unlocked. Result.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Any idea how they discovered this? And how did you know your phone is unlocked? The OEM Unlock toggle apparently isn't an indication it's definitely unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CuBz90:
I'm not sure how they knew, they just told me it was unlocked so maybe (like me) they're assuming the OEM unlock toggle means it's unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Yeah, I don't believe that indicates a definite unlocked bootloader. I'm going to do more digging but I might end up having to keep the phone and hope for the best. The only sure way is to attempt a custom kernel flash or custom recovery, and there is no chance of one of them in the next couple of weeks.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] kradcliffe:
Would be good to know for sure before the 14 day return runs out.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CuBz90:
A few Vodafone UK users on here have confirmed root has been successful. Therefore, it is unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] the Doctor:
Source?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] kradcliffe:
Great, thank you!

Just need to wait for a root that doesn't trip Knox and disables it as well.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CuBz90:
Sure.

if you look at his post history you will find he has a Vodafone UK Brandad S7E.

Also, this one too...

---------- Post added at 11:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 AM ----------

I'm waiting on that too. Although I am now insured so if it's not out soon I will be rooting and using my insurance for any claims if needed.

In my 8 years of owning Samsung Devices, I have only ever had to claim on my warranty once, so fingers crossed I won't need to this time round.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] the Doctor:
I'm out of thanks for the day, but thanks :good:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] kradcliffe:
I had a note 4 that went back to Samsung for a bezel repair under warranty. The Knox on that was tripped and they never even noticed.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] CuBz90:
Ye I've had this too. Some of the screen wouldn't respond to touch on my S5. It had tripped Knox bu they replaced the screen and sent it back all working.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers] Beefheart:
Yup, Vodafone UK handsets definitely unlocked, as I can attest to having rooted my phone last night.

Personally, I wouldn't bother waiting, hence the reason I didn't. Sure, there might be a version of root which comes out without tripping Knox, but it will mean no TWRP/CWM, which by default trip knox when flashed regardless of what someone might do with the engineer binary. And there are too many things that now require a custom recovery, not least Xposed which is half the reason I want root in the first place (Xprivacy essential for me).

Also, on Exynos, knox is not tripped by an irreversible e-fuse like on Snapdragon. I believe it's a software flag held in the nand somewhere. I wouldn't completely rule out a method of reversing that flag, it's happened before on previous Exynos devices (the Note 3 I believe).