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[Xperia Z5 General] zippy01:
I don't have any camera issues at all and I'm pretty happy with it. After being sent pictures from other people's camera phones various makes including iPhone I'm always thinking wtf
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
1. Not mine.

2. Z5 easily trumps S6, 6S and G4 in terms of detail. I have no idea what you are talking about.

3. Minimum official focusing distance of Z5 is 12cm. Yes, Z5 is a bad choice for macro photography. Does not affect me.

4. It's an ultra wide angle lens.

5. Not really an issue for me. The blue color shows up above ISO 1000. Image quality is already quite bad at those sensitivities. I would avoid using such high sensitivities even if there was no blue color showing up.

6. Yes, the shutter lag is sometimes quite annoying.

7. This is the only complaint that i fully agree with. Lack of manual controls and horrible camera app user interface is very annoying. I hope Sony fixes this issue in future updates.
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
Reasonable explanations , for (2) you can check out the samples on this thread :

http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z5/general/disappointed-z5-camera-pictures-quality-t3217766
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
That first post of that thread is complete nonsense. Most of the links are already dead, but some are still functioning. Just research the pictures, and you will see, they are nonsense.
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
So what's that supposed to mean ?

Does this comparison made by SuperSaf has "nosense" too

https://youtu.be/3-Yxha0-I10

I understand your point , I also love my Z5 a lot but we have to acknowledge that this camera suffer from many problems.
[Xperia Z5 General] Phazonclash:
You'll learn soon enough thread starter, like I did, that Sony is a little bit like Apple: the Xperia brand has an army of apologists and/or zealots in denial... ;) And this forum has many of them. Yes the Z5 has many issues, and the camera software is one of them, but don't expect people here to recognize these issues here; they won't :)
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
Thank you mate :o

I can clearly see that , I'm trying to accept and tolerate all opinions :)

may god be with us :angel:
[Xperia Z5 General] ross23:
1. My unit does not do this. I think it could be hardware related so take it in for inspection/repair/replacement

2. I have had the Xperia Z1 and now the Z5. Both phones suffer the same issues. Sony's aggressive post-processing imaging software. Sony need to fine tune the software so that it does not do this. You take a nice picture, and when you zoom in, or view it on a bigger screen, the photos appear soft and lacks detail. However, I feel that the Z5 is better at processing images than my Z1 was.

3. Not sure about this one, but I have never experiences any issues with focusing. But I prefer using touch to focus rather than autofocus.

4. Interestingly enough, i sometimes get this, sometimes I do not. I think its related to point 2. The Sony's post-processing imaging software/algorithms

5. I find this happens in the dark in the black courners or when there is dark shadows. When I use the flash to take a photo of something close, I do not get this issue. But when i walk back and try to take a photo from the distance, the black parts do exhibit the purple.

6. Never notices.

7. This has always been a Sony thing. But I think their Manual modes are pretty good. But im not a huge photographer. I prefer to point and shoot rather than play around with manual controls to get the best picture.

For me, I find most of the issues Sonys pictures have is due to their post-processing algorithms. The hardware is definitely there. Sony needs to just fix the software!!
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
1- My unit is fine ,the blur appears often in landescapes , sometimes is not noticed especially with macro shots but, believe me it exists .

3- It does have problems with focusing with close objects , you can see some samples I already posted here , It has nothing to do with automatic or touch to focus methode :

http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z5/general/camera-focus-close-objects-t3319937/post65448178

6- Common man, the galaxy s6 camera has zero second shutter delay , it takes pictures instantly . why the Z5 don't have this .
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
As I said before, the left hand side blur is a hardware issue and you should send it back for warranty!

Sony has already confirmed this problem, you can search for it if you do not believe me;);)

About the focus on the closed object, it's a hardware limitation! it will not focus properly on objects closer than 12 cm...

you can try this method:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=65494407&postcount=11
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
Concerning left side blur I've already searched and read more than 700 topics about it , most of users who asked for replacements had same problem with their new units after up to two replacements .. my unit is doing a pretty good jobe if compared to other users units that I've seen , sometimes I do not have the blur and in other times I do have it .. some units are more affected then others but all units are affected :good:

About the focus , already saw that post . With a zoom of 5X you will lose a massive sharpness and have a lot of noise and soft looking picture.. besides this is not a permanent solution .
[Xperia Z5 General] ross23:
Yeah I have found that when i get really close to a subject, like within 5cm away from it, it struggles to focus. This really should be fixed, but i never take photos of anything within that distance. I only noticed it because you pointed it out! lol

Also, I find there is more lag after I take a photo. I think as the software is applying its algorithms and post-processing the image it takes a while. My camera boots pretty quickly though.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Lens Blur: Mine had this problem out of the box and it was quite visible with landscapes. Sony Taiwan took a few days to diagnose and didn't know what the problem was. On the third day I sent them samples and within two hours of that they replaced the lens unit. There's still some blur on both sides but it's more evened out. I don't think this problem is all that rare with smartphone cameras due to the wide lens. My HTC Butterfly s also had this issue but I never thought about it as the resolution was pretty low. Now some dust got into the lens as well, but it's only visible when I shine a desk lamp at a certain angle (looks like eye floaters). JerryRigEverything showed how the lens cover is plastic and scratches easily if you poke it with a knife.

The problem isn't the wide f2.0 aperture either - LG G5 and Galaxy S7 have wider apertures but only have a little bit of blur in the corners with landscape shots.

The shutter lag can be pretty annoying but it seems to have been fixed in the Xperia X Performance (it just blanks out but seems to capture it much faster, but it still lags a bit if you take too many pictures at once). However I'm still not sure whether it is a software or hardware issue.
[Xperia Z5 General] :
the point with laggyness in UI is real.... very good hardware, actual very bad software.

waiting for MM ................
[Xperia Z5 General] josephnero:
[MENTION=5033594]korom42[/MENTION]

I don't see how are we spamming?you asked if users regret buying Z5 and camera and got an answer which is no
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Again that SuperSaf comparison is complete nonsense. Z5 has a unique ultra wide angle lens. When compraring to other phones, you have to take the photo much closer on Z5 than on other phones.

In general, Z5 has very good post-processing algorithms. Z5 preserves detail much better on pixel level. Z5 has less noise reduction than other phones.

DxOMark and Dpreview have Z5 reviews done by professional photographers, and they both praise Z5's image quality.

The only real problems with Z5 are the limited manual controls and the camera app UI.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Did you get the Marshmallow update, and what do you think of the new camera app?

Just curious.
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
No I didn't get the MM yet. I'll tell you when I get it [emoji2]
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I haven't gotten the MM update yet. When i have it, i will tell my camera related impressions here.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Obsolete post.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
[MENTION=6922850]EQ2000[/MENTION]

What do you think of the new MM camera app? Your opinion would be welcome.

Note: you own both a Z1 and a Z5. What worries me, looking at your post history, is that you still use your Z1 quite a bit.

Seems like this still is your primary phone! Surely the Z5 has problems with the camera that make you use your Z1, doesn't it?
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Well still haven't rechieved the MM update here but will be interesting to see what they have changed. It is becouse I got it really fine tuned to my liking with apps and settings aswell that it with camera mods performs mostly better than the Z5. I also can choose ISO at full resolution and third party apps can use full resolution. I really hope Z5 MM update has this fixed as it AFAIK was a "bug" according to Sony. So I am waiting for some changes software wise either officially or by mods. They also need to tweak the white balance for certain low light situations where Z5 goes for blue or red hue which the Z1 jsut doesn't making it by far more color accurate in such situations. And since I made a good deal buying it new for roughly 40% discount then I can wait without getting angry! :laugh:
[Xperia Z5 General] augie7107:
I use a camera when I want to take serious photos. Any mobile phone camera is a "nice to have" but can't compete with a professional camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] mgolder:
Evidently if you say you have no problems with the camera then you are an 'apologist' or even a 'zealot' according to one guy. God forbid some people just don't have any problems and are happy with their phone......

Like me. No problems with the picture quality for me. And I'm no apologist.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Indeed, it seems like the Z1 compact would be a good choice for me : I need FM radio + video out + excellent camera. The Z1 has unfortunately no GLES 3.1 support but I can live with that (eg. can use something else for work purposes). I read the Z1 can even do 4K video recording if you tweak it.

I can get a new one for about €200. And I won't have the lens left blur 'random' issue of the Z5, which is annoying.

My wife likes our S5 Mini and wants to keep it.

Using your Z1 hardware with Z5 software makes a LOT of sense to me. The Z5 software has significant added value.

The following link shows the difference between the Z1/Z3/Z5 when used with their respective STOCK camera app.

(actually, these images are taken from http://www.sonyvores.fr/ but the server is down today).

Note: stock camera app, not the updated camera app using the Z5 camera libs.

For instance, here is an example picture :

[IMG="Z1 vs Z3 vs Z5 camera"]http://xperian.ir/xperian/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/05-1024x576.jpg[/IMG]

The difference between the Z1 and Z5 largely comes from the updated software, doesn't it?

The specs from the Z1's and Z5's sensors are very similar (20MP, etc.), so I assume the sensor performance is similar.

The problem with Z5 is the lens, quite frankly. Most problems come from the lens, let's face it!

I wondered if you could give us here the things that you actually prefer with the Z5 camera (if any!), compared to your Z1-with-Z5-camera-libs?

Truly your insight would be appreciated.

Additionally, does the Z1 (assuming Z5 camera libs are installed, I mean, as this is a do-it-or-not-do-it thing) support full manual control?

My birthday is in two weeks :) Have to decide quickly now!

Regards
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
a few pictures from my xperia z5p, spring is near:D:D

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzaUdkZUYzbnRycU0/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzNzZjZ2xXTlF5UEE/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzX2Q2Q0tyWUwtODg/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzdGtCNkpiUjllQ2c/view?usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] SirRobin78:
For me, great pictures in great quality.

So can i say that there are devices without that blurr in the edges or is this a constructional thing what happend on all devices?

I think to upgrade my current z3 to z5 as last flagship in the z line...
[Xperia Z5 General] Laban:
I think the Z5 has huge quality differences between different units. I love the stabilization in video mode but to be honest, the rest could be better in almost every single aspect. I bought it mainly for the camera and for the first time I wanted fantastic images. Today I'm using my old HTC One M7 since my phone is (for the second time) sent to repair. The first time they replaced the camera module but it didn't make the left side blur better, just different.

I think there are units without the left side blur but I also think it's an extremely wide spread issue. Look at the link below, 76 pages with people having issues.

https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...ages-more-blur-on-the-left-side/td-p/1043401/

People sayig the phone takes the best pictures are either lucky and got a flawless unit where everything is top noth or are mainly looking at the images on the phone. I'm extremely disappointed and will try to get the money back, if that's not possible I will buy a new one since the quality of the images my phone is producing is not up to par with what should be expected.
[Xperia Z5 General] swooc:
anyone with MM can confirm ISO adjustments are opened now on manual mode full res?
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
No it's not.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Sorry: I'm not biting beyond leaving this link here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/136945683@N06/with/23153479915/
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Yes there is a 4k/Timeshift mod for Z1 which I also installed. Gives you 4k at 55Mbit and 720p 120fps 45Mbit slow-motion video. As for the Z5 Camera Lib mod it makes great improvements especially in low light with better and more accurate white balance, detail, exposure to ISO ratio and improves dynamic range and it looks like for example in that comparision like a combo between Z3+ and Z5 in similar conditionseven though sensors have differences but they all have more to give than Sony allowed for. :cool:

As for Z5c it is mostly a bit more color accurate and has a bit better dynamic range. Though I find it sometimes goes for a way to cool white balance (bluish tones) and in low light might go overboard with the red and blue hue colored white balance which just looks way off. Though sometimes it might look better but it has its costs. But I hope they update the Z5 camera framework cause a middle point between the Z1 with mods and Z5 stock software would be pretty much the gold standard. Z3+ for example has damn good camera framework already. :cool:

Well no true manual support but you can change ISO at any resolution in "manual" mode, white balance in 3rd party aswell as focus method, EV and with ProCapture app you can take 20,7MP photos with most of Sonys scene modes. There is a camera mod called "Camera v4" that allows you to change shutter speed and has more ISO settings aswell as some other new things. Though I never installed it as it requires disabling framework.jar signature verification and that might be a big security risk.

That said Z5 has the biggest potential if they continue to update the software for the camera. But Z1 with mods would be my choice for photos in most situations vs the Z5c.
[Xperia Z5 General] gambiting:
I do regret buying it, but not because of the camera. The camera is perfect. I hate it because bluetooth only connects to my car 1/10 times, I sit like an idiot in it every morning, switching bluetooth on and off waiting for it to connect. Didn't have this problem on previous phone.
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
should I expect better than this at nights? (superior auto + 20MP 16:9)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzeGd5MFVkbENCdWs/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzUFF2WUxsNk54M3M/view?usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I think it's quite good. The colour and exposition is fine!

I think you could make it sharper with 8mpx mode...
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Marshmallow fixes this: it's a known firmware bug.

Mine's working fine after the update.

Plus I agree about the camera - it's fantastic.
[Xperia Z5 General] rvnlvrz:
Hardware is good. No debate about that.

The only problem is, their algorithms. It washes everything away. Happens all the time since the dawn of the Z series as far as i remember.

To those people who deny it, go on. The problem about noise and detail loss exists. Try zooming your pictures sometimes, they are visible mate.
[Xperia Z5 General] Waffeleisen666:
My pictures are very bad, too. To everyone who is comfortable with the Z5 camera performance: please tell me settings (resolution etc.). I'm really disappointed when I compare my photos with photos taken by a S6 or LG G4. Especially low light.
[Xperia Z5 General] KaiFoxPaw:
If its one thing that people just DON'T GET is, the quality of the Xperia Cameras is based on how you take a picture and your lighting. Phones like the iPhone and S6 are point and shoot types of cameras with lower specs. They still take good photos dont get me wrong but I had the LG V10 and despite it having all the bells and whistles, I think it took horrible photos, the amount of detail the camera captured was horrible. The Sony Xperia Camera however was able to capture more detail but with capturing more detail comes more possible erros while shooting, thats why you have to learn to actually use a camera, just like if you bought a nice Cannon DLSR, if you dont know how to use it or take good photos, then yes, by your own observation, you will assume the camera is bad, most of the times its the user and not the device. Also by DEFAULT the Xperia phones capture in 8MP 16:9, you have to manually change the MP and aspect on the camera settings to 23MP also, despite the XPeria having a good resolution screen, you really dont know what you have captured until you export the raw photo to you PC, AND NO, I DON'T MEAN BY UPLOADING YOUR PHOTOS TO FACEBOOK OR ANY OTHER SOCIAL SITE, most compress your photos and destroy some of the quality. Any way thats what i observe when people complain about things not working. And if people are so concerned about the camera, then we should stop complaining and buy DLSR cameras that are meant to take superior photos. Remember, the size of the sensor and lenses in these smartphones are 10 times smaller that a DLSR Camera and are not meant to replace them, although some phones can take nearly as good as photos as DLSR...again.... IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE THE CAMERA. Catch my drift?
[Xperia Z5 General] hawker_gb:
I really enjoy camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
I've updated to the MM 6.0 .. I think the camera performance is slightly improved , can someone confirm that !
[Xperia Z5 General] hansip87:
Z5p user here and for me, the camera is quite good for my need. Maybe there are better camera, but to say this one is bad is unjustified. Maybe others excel in Still, but in Video, Sony's Steadyshot is still better and that's even just a software based!
[Xperia Z5 General] korom42:
I'll surely sell mine and get the GS7 when its price drops soon
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
you are free to buy any phone but please first read S7 camera thread!

you can see people with different opinions, just like here...;)
[Xperia Z5 General] TobbeSwe:
I don´t think the issues with the camera i due to hardware because if it was/is we should see the same lens distortion in video aswell instead of just in photos.... I stongly belive it´s due to software and that can be fixed if Sony mobile want.. The Galaxy S7 isn´t that much better actually in my opinion, they use more software tricks then Sony with their post-processing to make photos looking better and that has been the case sinse Galaxy S5 and forward. But everything is personal preferences..
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I've never used S7 but AFAIK some reviews point the lowlight performance is not that great.

But I don't know.
[Xperia Z5 General] hansip87:
Video is not affected because with video, only the most center of the frame that is read instead of all the sensors area. That's why they can do best IS for mobile videography.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
For video it uses a more aggressive sharpening algorithm as well as cropping of the sensor frame. This reduces lens blur.

See this video frame: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgeun96hey521c3/DSC_1227.JPG?dl=0

From afar, it looks like everything is sharp and in focus but look closer and the left side is more in focus and the right side is out of focus.
[Xperia Z5 General] itsjustmeagain:
The wannabe camera in the z5 is instant waste as is the entire phone due to high battery usage and heat developement. I have tried to sell my z5 but half the price I bought it for would have been a ridiculous deal.

So I gave it to my mom and bought me a Fairphone 2.

Overall it's a much better phone with easily takes much better pictures.

Bye Sony, you are sad posers.

You lost a longtime user singe the X10 who is now happy again without you :)
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Haha I love posts like this :)

So please show us some photo comparison, to prove this amazing statement ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Dont bother giving attention to "Samsung". Just do like me, blacklist them. Problem solved, noise gone! :cool:

Also with Xperia Z1+ series, if you take bad photos then you are a lousy photographer. You could hand them a 5000$ DSLR and they would produce potato photos. Considering even the Z1 pretty much puts the S7 camera to shame in almost all areas and the proof is undisputable the rest goes by itself in terms of cappabilities and IQ of the series.

Some Fairphone 2 camera samples. It goes only up to 8MP and boy is it bad. My potato from 2011 (LG O2X) performs better. Bagged, tagged and put in the freezer.

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn...hone/Fairphone 2/Camera samples/sample_04.jpg

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn...hone/Fairphone 2/Camera samples/sample_05.jpg

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn...hone/Fairphone 2/Camera samples/sample_06.jpg

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn...hone/Fairphone 2/Camera samples/sample_07.jpg

http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn...hone/Fairphone 2/Camera samples/sample_10.jpg

Owned. :laugh:
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
a few photos from my Z5p: superior auto + 20MP 16:9 (today)

I don't know how you can compare these photos with Fairphone 2 samples posted by [MENTION=6922850]EQ2000[/MENTION]

[IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/cgfp_dsc_0238_resize.jpg[/IMG] [IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/oatn_dsc_0256_resize.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/gocv_dsc_0277_resize.jpg[/IMG]

took the last 2 photos to check the left hand side blur, is it there?:confused:

[IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/vtcz_dsc_0308_resize.jpg[/IMG] [IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/5ha1_dsc_0313_resize.jpg[/IMG]

check full size photos here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_5WeqOkEnzY3RLdWljQWFRaHc&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] RyTekk:
Sony is so "clever" when added "waterproof" between "best" and "phone" :laugh:

Yeah, I noticed weak in details from Xperia but I can't stop my loyal heart to Sony LOL, it's just Sony and then I will pay all for them.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Xperia X samples, unfortunately no 4K video, not sure if that will be the case for the X Performance as well:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/04/1...mples/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Sharpening is too aggressive with some salt and pepper noise but it's nice to see the depth of field being much more even than the Z5 where even something slightly out of focus has blur, and these areas are more suspect to smearing.
[Xperia Z5 General] bubimir13:
Does anyone think that they will transfer some software solutions from X to Z5 series. Because i think they'll do as Z5 are still a flagship devices...