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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] will6316:
We know it t-mobile. Samsung made there money regardless if locked or unlocked. T-mobile gave Samsung more money to lock the bootloader. That's the way I see it.

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If Samsung did it. Why didn't they lock down the int'l versions as well.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jbfountain:
That doesn't make any sense. Why would T-Mobile pay extra to have the bootloader locked? Be logical about this. T-Mobile has nothing to gain by locking down the bootloader. It's not about tethering, they have a method now to detect illegal tethering. It's not about warranty, they would benefit by not having to replace a device because you altered it. The only one who will benefit is Samsung. Knox is a big deal to Samsung. It shows that they are as or more secure than Apple.

Using X DA to unleash the power of Android on my S6 Edge Plus, HTC One M9, and S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] md1008:
I bought 2 s7 edge for the bogo deal. I had initially decided to keep the s7 edge due to the fact that it's a really solid phone. Now that I know root will not be possible looks like I will be sticking with the Moto Nexus 6 until the next Nexus 2016 comes out. Or possibly HTC 10 although 5 inches is well below my comfort zone for a phone.

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I believe that exynos s7/s7 edge will probably eventually be locked down. Perhaps it was an oversight. If any of you guys buy an international s7/s7 edge I wouldn't take any update from them
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TheKnux:
[MENTION=4107827]TEKHD[/MENTION] [MENTION=522448]Fenny[/MENTION] so I heard that the S7/edge bootloaders are unlocked until users put in their sims, after putting in their sims, the device then locks the bootloader and sim. Now don't quote me on this, this is what I read.

If this is the case though, can't someone get their hands on a device, wait to put in their sim, and then try and flash something via Odin or through fastboot or whatever, then go from there?

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Also, posted this to Chainfires Twitter. Maybe he can do something to help? Plus, other people are asking him for help as well if you check the comments.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] azdragon:
I'm in.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] azdragon:
Missed attachment....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Alarand:
I also recall someone commenting about the device potentially locking upon inserting sim. Don't remember where I saw it though.

Don't flame me too hard for asking this but in stock recovery for the device, the option "Reboot to bootloader" puts the device into download mode without displaying any of the usual flags. This doesn't have any significance / use does it?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] king3opobn:
No difference, just less info.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] markwebb:
Best message to send to TMO is: return the phone (if still in return period). Affecting a company's bottom line is usually the best remedy and practice to help achieve a desired outcome.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] thachosenone:
I'm keeping my 2 s7 edges too. Literally the best designed android phone to date. I've rooted and had twrp on all my devices (gs1vibrant, galaxy nexus, s4, s5, note edge) until I got the s6 edge+.

Root was needed for the vibrant due to software stagnation and the fact that the sgs 4g took its place. Any phone after that, rooting was more of a process i got used to.

The s6 edge + was the first phone i never bothered to root, simply because i never had a reason to. From launch in aug till now, it has ran its latest ota firmware, and it's just fine.

While i understand the desire to root, I feel it isn't really required anymore since the s6, since TouchWiz has gotten much better. I haven't even rooted my tab s2 8.0.

Since i have jump v1 on my line, I'll be using it to upgrade to whatever catches my eye next, but I'll be paying off the other gs7e and selling it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ethanscooter:
That's so nice to see them say this! You were right about getting John's attention [MENTION=4107827]TEKHD[/MENTION]
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mrbigdrawsz:
Continuing to try and do my part. Hopefully he's being honest and truly listening to us. And, if so he's able to get Samsung to unlock this device.

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Nv1dia:
Look at all of these replys from T-Mo, I've tweeted twice today and i have seen a reply from T-Mo customer care for both!!!!! Don't stop with the requests, and the statements... Don't be rude it only gives T-Mo a reason to not do as we want/need. Let's keep the pressure up! Retweet everything you can find!!!! Use the same #freethes7edge and #bootloadergate those are the two most common!!!!! Let's keep this campaign up!!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] metalfan78:
I'm very jealous of you guys on t-mobile. I've been tweeting similar stuff to sprint's ceo, I was intercepted by his "pr team" and they basically told me to shove it. If you guys succeed, it gives hope to us all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Nv1dia:
Continue to tweet, Sprint is desperate to compete with T-Mo, If they start seeing T-Mo take action Sprint will too, likewise the other way around too!!!! direct as many people from the sprint forums to this thread!!! The more people on board the better everyone's chances! #freethes7edge #bootloadergate [MENTION=3373379]JohnLeger[/MENTION]e [MENTION=767379]Samsungmobile[/MENTION]us
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] metalfan78:
Agreed, I've been trying to spread the word. Some are less than enthusiastic. [MENTION=5079238]marceloc[/MENTION]laure - sprint ceo. On a side note, I have finally found a reason to use Twitter, lol.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mathieulh:
In the U.S. Carriers are actually Samsung's costumers, they are the ones who decide upon order, what specifications the phones will follow (bands, locked/unlocked bootloader)

What has happened is that Samsung told it's costumers (U.S. Carriers) that it wouldn't be honoring warranties/returns anymore for devices that have the knox counter tripped, and with Samsung pay being a broader feature as well, carriers just didn't want to take the risk (and the financial cost) of supplying handsets with unlocked bootloaders and therefore asked for it to be locked.

Samsung, that sells the international variant of the device doesn't quite have this problem as it's costumers are general consumers who all share individual responsibility, not to mention costumer law is different in Europe.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
I'm about to reactivate my twitter account for this as well.

The whole "uncarrier" movement is about freedom from the other carriers, something I've loved about Tmo since I switched from AT&T. That freedom should include the freedom to do with our devices what we please. I'm with you guys on this one. #FreeTheS7Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
Which would make sense if I wasn't posting this on a rooted S7 Edge running on their own SOC.

Sent from my Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] duvalbmarley:
The reason for locked bootloader tmobile

https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/stopping-network-abusers.htm
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Smithfolk4:
Good Work

I spent an hour on the phone with T-mobile yesterday prepping to swap from Verizon so I could get an S7 edge with an unlocked bootloader. Then I read about the issues in this thread. It is great to get on T-mobile to get them to get the bootloader unlocked. I am not going to switch to T-mobile unless they get this unlocked.

I think that Samsung definitely has more to lose than T-mobile, but T-mobile was certainly aware of what was going on. This is too big an issue not to think about when you are specifying the phone. They both probably hoped that there would not be a lot of noise, but that is not what is happening.

Bottom line for me is that T-mobile is losing an account with 4 lines until they fix this issue.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] coyttl:
What's the return period?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Jacosta:
Trying to contribute. Hopefully something will happen soon. I made a Twitter account just for this. I hope this is not the new future for Samsung and Tmobile. Only time will tell...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MechaMorph:
Finally. Somebody who gets it. T-Mobile has zero power here. This is all Samsung and what's T-Mobile going to do? Tell Samsung they won't sell the S7? Will never happen.

People keep pointing to Sprint and HTC EVO3D. That was Sprint and HTC (and HTC had already promised a way to unlock bootloaders). The worst carrier of them all who needs to do everything possible to stop losing customers and HTC who was/is bleeding money and likewise needed to appease their users.

Now you have T-Mobile who has no power over Samsung. Samsung has all the cards.

I just don't see Samsung bending. There's zero incentive for them to do so. They don't give a crap about the small amount of people who want to root. Plus if they do bend the precedence that would be set would harm them in the eyes of businesses.

If Samsung folds I will be very pleasantly surprised but I just don't see it happening. At this point if you need root Nexus is the only sorta guaranteed option anymore.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
Just googled "Galaxy s7" and guess what's on the front page of the 'news' tab?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] markwebb:
14 days?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] danon.brown:
20 days if you got it via phone/online
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] tekno4ever:
I agree. T-Mobile customer service told me 20 days as well if pre-ordered.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] danon.brown:
I think it's 14 if you got it in the store.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] bailey2408:
I joined the movement.. my first ever tweet for #freethes7edge!!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] namlas:
More tweeting this morning.

[IMG="tweets"]http://i.imgur.com/cLVeUQ0.png[/IMG]
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Fenny:
As far as I know that would just be the SIM lock for the mobile radio, nothing to do with bootloaders.

I suppose I should be a bit clear. All of the previous devices have had locked bootloaders starting with the sgs II. The difference here is that the protected partitions now extend beyond just aboot, sbl, radio, etc... When you say locked bootloader, it really means a combination of secure boot, flash protection, and recovery and kernel being included in that list of protected partitions.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] entropism:
By the way, HollyA is ****ing awesome. She helped me with my Defective S7 Edge, and is a great person to talk to. She's on a higher level team that regular "T-Force", reports directly to John Legere.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
Look I don't see anyone who unlocks the bootloader not understand that it may void their warranty. We all get that. We speak about Samsung warranties, this is completely WRONG. When you make a claim with T-Mobile regarding your broke or lost phone, even if it has a manufacturer defect; T-Mobile sends it to their insurance company Assurant as sends you a device refurbished by Assurant. Have you noticed thst the box you get doesnt look the same as the OEM box? Most of the time, you'll never see a OEM new or refurbished device and you'll get a replacement from Assurant and your return goes to Assurant as well.

As for T Mobes or Samsung not wanting to honor warranties for unlocked Bootloader's: they could really care less. T Mobes has a tool where they hook the device to a special computer and flash all factory stock firmware. My brother who works as a T Mobes CSR rep explained this to me and so did a guy who is in the rooting community at a T Mobes store.

If you've ever done a claim for a broken, stolen, defected device you know they NEVER ask you about rooting or unlocking. They only ask you about water, cracked screens, and a general description of what happened.

I know this because I had like 4 defective HTC One M9s.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] DrakenFX:
I don't have the S7 Edge ,but i was looking forward on getting but that is NO more the case. :( , i did tweek him by the way and i never tweek to nobody ..

P.S. he seens to knowledge the situation.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
Just go through every couple hours and retweet/like all the new tweets.

Woke up, that's what I did.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Paradoxumical:
This.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] md1008:
We maybe a small minority of users, however many of us are phone enthusiasts and will upgrade frequently. If they push us towards Nexus, than OEMS like Samsung lose. T-Mobile will lose on upgrades (assuming they won't carry the Nexus 2016) but at least we still pay money for their service.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mrbigdrawsz:
Yeah, I agree with you. But in the grand scheme of things, our community is so small that it won't make a difference whatsoever so these companies. That being said, this community (and I think I've finally learned this lesson once and for all) needs to stick with the Nexus devices and not even look at any of these other products.

I like my S7 and this is probably the first Samsung device I've ever been able to deal with TW although I'm VERY interested in rooting and throwing a ROM (or 10) on. But if I have to live with this until the next Nexus device comes out, then so be it. BUT, I WILL be getting the next Nexus device and nothing else from now on until these things change once and for all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
The funny thing is the vocal minority makes more of an impact than the nonvocal majority. If we have 50-100 users consistently bugging a Social Media page it will have a negative impact on T-Mobile. They don't want that kind of negative press.

The ball is in our court. PR is what makes T-Mobile T-Mobile.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mrbigdrawsz:
Now that I agree with. I've gotten some very positive feedback and some things done when posting on social media and "beating down their doors" that way. I've gotten responses and things fixed by Ford along with some other large companies. I do think our actions will bring some negative pub and some attention to the issue. But, a change for one person is a lot different than a change across the board for millions of users.

I TRULY hope that our actions have the desire effect though. I need my root and rom or things just aren't the same. I do like that we've gotten responses and the fact that the CEO has responded to more than one tweet and reps are responding to pretty much all of them lets us know that we at least have his ear. It'll be interesting to see how this all turns out and if they do deny us how they'll go about explaining/justifying it.

What's interesting also is that a lot of the new features we see on these devices (especially when it comes to the manufacturers overlays) comes from things we first see in roms. So it is helpful to them for the dev community to get their hands on their devices. So lets hope that is also a factor in this decision.

Fingers crosses that we get what we want.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
Fighting the battle on multiple fronts.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
Good idea. Let's also hit up Facebook!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
If you go on the T-mobile Facebook page, you'll notice how many complaints T-mobile is getting from their customers for multiple reasons... The reason I left them 2 years ago....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
That is a great "in" to have! Hopefully he will keep you updated! If you don't hear anything by end of day tomorrow, I would try checking in again. :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] glensta:
Good ideal - Link to Facebook T-Mobile https://www.facebook.com/TMobile/

I posted just now :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
Keeping the train rolling. Not sure if it's helping but it doesn't hurt to try
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
Has anyone actually gotten replies from any Samsung Twitter/Facebook account? I have left numerous tweets and comments on a variety of Samsung accounts and haven't received ONE response back. Do they just simply not care? Or maybe don't have enough people on social media to respond to customers?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
Chatting with T-Mobile now, telling them I need to return it before my return period ends if it isn't going to be unlocked. Lets see what happens, my be keeping my Note 5 after all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
It's made the front page again. http://www.xda-developers.com/unlikeliest-of-heroes-john-legere-working-to-free-the-s7/

Start using #UnleashTheSnapdragon as well as #FreeTheS7Edge and whatever other hashtags you're using.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MechaMorph:
Samsung simply doesn't care just like Verizon and AT&T don't care (thus why those carriers have had locked devices for years now). T-Mobile may care because they like keeping the Un-carrier name untarnished. However, Samsung doesn't care. They don't give a crap about those who want to root. The few thousand devices that won't be sold won't matter to Samsung's numbers one bit.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Tidbits:
Exactly this. All Snapdragon variants are this way. Sprint hasn't locked bootloaders down, but they are on the same boat with this device. So is it really T-Mobile?

T-Mobile has never cared about locking bootloaders. All their devices that are locked has always been the manufacturer choice. How they are locked are the same way they are locked overseas if they are. People will bring up the Xperia Line as a counter, but none of them could answer this questions "What makes the Xperia line so special that the bootloaders must be locked and no other manufacturer is forced to by T-Mobile?" Also anyone that has ever worked with Sony will tell you they love DRM, and even though they've contributed some things to open source they'd rather lock things down when they can.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
Tens of thousands relate into hundreds of millions of $$$$$ that Samsung looks to lose.... they should really think about that.....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Tidbits:
http://www.xda-developers.com/unlikeliest-of-heroes-john-legere-working-to-free-the-s7/

Legere says it's Samsung and they are working with them to find something they are willing to support.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MechaMorph:
Except it isn't tens of thousands. It's a few thousand from T-Mobile only. S7 will still sell millions of phones on T-Mobile and AT&T and Verizon and Sprint regardless of the bootloader.

Samsung doesn't care about the people who want to root. It's such a teen tiny minority it'll never hurt their numbers.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ssmr2t:
My phones chipset shows as Qualcomm MSM8996.... I noticed on the publications they are discussing the Snapdragon I beleive. does this mean there is hope for my phone?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] supremekizzle:
Qualcomm makes the snapdragon line of processors.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dgriffin2013:
Qualcomm is the maker of snapdragon.

Samsung should care - we may be a minority of people, but we are the people others listen to when picking phones and other electronics. If Samsung is going to lock down its phones and not take care of its customers I will direct my family/friends to buy from other manufacturers, such as the nexus line. Lets keep fighting, tmobile is responding we should put pressure on samsung.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
I will give it a couple more days to play out and see what happens. I think I am going to return mine though if nothing develops in that time. I kind of doubt anything would happen that fast.

I really hate to return it though. If I knew for sure the Note 6 was going to be unlocked, I would just hang with it until then but if it is locked down too, I would rather keep my Note 5.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Tidbits:
Scope of influence isn't that big. Unless they've never owned a Samsung device and are not accustom to the UI they are more than likely not listen to your advice. If they haven't then they are less likely to buy anyway unless they had a bad experience, and you'd have to recommend something that isn't that brand.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] glensta:
I'm in the same boat [MENTION=4405299]chipworkz[/MENTION], will wait to see your update on this. It'd be nice to get the restocking fee waived if a return is necessary.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Nv1dia:
Continue to tweet, Sprint is desperate to compete with T-Mo, If they start seeing T-Mo take action Sprint will too, likewise the other way around too!!!! direct as many people from the sprint forums to this thread!!! The more people on board the better everyone's chances!

Also, wasnt samsung's ENTIRE presentation about they *listen* to their demographic? Are we not part of the demographic however small? I dont recall ever complaining about waterproofing being a big issue... i dont recall it becoming an issue on XDA, maybe it was.. but if you have a thousand or two thousand people saying they want unlockedd bootloaders, your not doing very well at *listening* if you ignore them.....

#freethes7edge #bootloadergate [MENTION=3373379]JohnLeger[/MENTION]e [MENTION=767379]Samsungmobile[/MENTION]us
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
We XDAers are a good portion of the community because we are the most vocal. Messing with us is like messing with the devil. We just need to pressure them and pursue our agenda with persistence. Negative attention gets more attention than positive attention. I'll do this for roughly two or three more days and if there is no leeway than I'm returning.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Hawkhell:
If this is what Samsung is going on do for now on they lost me as a customer. I was planning on getting the Note 6 and giving my S7 Edge to my son. I guess I'll be in the market for a new brand. But Sammy doesn't care, they just want those Apple customers to come over.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Nv1dia:
IM just waiting for something promising. doesnt have to be an answer TODAY, but i do want an answer before my 14 day period. I just started asking for any status updates or progress on twitter, we have to stay persistent like you mentioned.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
Start tagging [MENTION=2731872]lgu[/MENTION]SAMobile so they see and understand what's going on. If they tell us they will be unlocked, it will give us a larger chance given LG is Samsung's biggest competitor.

See if we can get an answer.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] glensta:
Thanks man, and oh dam for me lol :p