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[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
It is not possible to tell with these pictures. You need to have higher contrast pictures, in daylight.

Keep in mind that, in some situations, especially here with the electric cables, the sharpening engine might kick in and indeed make most of the blur unnoticed.

In all cases, you will be able to reveal it clearly, at least a little bit. It will even appear very slightly on both corners.

See:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=66438586&postcount=117

Look at the 2 pictures with the chimney in the top right corner. Take one picture, then another picture with the phone upside down. Then, as you move the chimney downwards, the halo should disappear progressively.

If you can't get a halo, just shoot trees in the forest, looking up, especially if the sky is white, not blue.

This way you 'measure' the even-ness of the blur across the left/right sides. If you're lucky, it is even. If you're very unlucky, it is mostly concentrated on one side. For me, it is slightly more blurry on the right side.

The haloing is not 100% synonym to blurriness, but I think it allows to "detect" the problem, eg. lower optical performance.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
The first pic here exhibits blur/haloing in the bottom left corner and maybe 10+% inwards. Also, the picture with the white flowers (2nd pic) - look at the roof in the bottom right corner, and the leaf above the roof, all on the left side. Look at the halo on the left side of the leaf. You see the halo because the white sky bleeds over the leaf, inwards. It's one of the best way to measure the blur. If the leaf was say, 2 inches towards the right, you would see much less haloing.

(edit: changed right->left pic)
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
thanks for the answer mate;) I agree about the last picture! (I can also see this in Xperia x samples)

however I think the second picture is completely normal as I have used the touch focus option to put the front tree branch in focus!:confused:

Here are a few more photos if you have time:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_5WeqOkEnzX3pmQ3c1X1pfeTQ&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Sorry, I meant the first picture, not last. This one (look at the bottom left part):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_5WeqOkEnzaUdkZUYzbnRycU0/view?pref=2&pli=1

The first pic, with the electric pole on the left side, reveals very well the issue: start to look in the bottom left corner, do you see the halo on the left side of the pole? Now look upwards until you reach the top end: the halo is fading away as you're moving upwards.

Other pics have focus-induced blur on all sides/corners - which is something that I expect. To chase for blur problems, it is best to take 2 pictures. One normal, and another with the phone upside down.

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Another top-right corner blur for me:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODbkd2Ql9fR2NXOXM

This kind of halo is common for any corner but hey, the "blurry side" exacerbates it. Clearly. You see there is something a little fishy going on.

The right part of the picture is more blurry than the left part here, although the way I took the photo gives a very, very slight focus advantage to the left side:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODSTZyZzczcjA3LWM

Macros, interior pics, street pics and so on do not reveal the problem easily. Even for trained eyes.

What do you think? Opinion welcome :)

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Another right side blur (not just top right corner blur), which is more worrying:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODZGZKN20xakxZN0k

But hey, if you look at the top left corner (not right), you see there is a thin halo at the left of tree branches, as well as a very minor focus issue.

It is just that the right side does that a bit too much.

I wonder what I should conclude. I don't really believe my unit is defective (.... do I.... LOL)
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
about the first picture, isn't this normal with macro shots?

yes, I can see the halo on the left side of the pole!

one silly question:D can a cover produce such a problem? (attached)

I mean the lens is almost 3mm inside and the cover may cause shadows specially near the left part! (the camera hole is not symmetric)

with this cover I can't use flash because everything turns brown

I will try it tomorrow;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Ben36:
The problem with this phone is that some people say it's a terrible camera, some say it's a good camera and the people saying otherwise don't know what they're doing....

.... Well that's the problem, it's a smartphone, not a professional camera, therefore you shouldn't need to know what your doing, it should be good out of the box. My mum should be able to go buy this phone and take a good quality ungrainy picture with it. Otherwise it should be advertised as not suitable for the general public market
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Complete nonsense. Human beeings develop and learn.

This is treating people like idiots.

Following this senseless statement we would never see the smartphone's success because back in the day it was so complicated for users used to normal phones.

Plus, photography is not a primitive task for everybody. And average user doesn't care about the detail, grain or other things like noise
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
[MENTION=7150606]frankm87[/MENTION]

here are some photos as you suggested, also includes up side down pictures....

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_5WeqOkEnzc1ZzcXRIalVKQ3c&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
You won't see anything on those pictures. I have lots of pictures which are blur-free, with crisp details on the far end of the edges. I can sometimes read tiny text on the very last pixels on the edge, even on my "blurry edge".

Have a look at these. The reported problems here were discussed before, but I wanted to try by myself.

1) Hedge:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODQkxEbjgyb3FYdmc

Look at the 4 corners. The top right corner is the weakest spot. Also, the extreme right of the pic, in general, is slightly blurry. The bottom left and top left corners are affected, but not as much as the top right corner. (the bottom left corner is blurry, but it is always less blurry than the top right corner - I already tested with multiple pictures)

2) Text on screen:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8pOqu2UCIODXzh1SjdiQ1NtYVU

Do you see the "ring of blur" going round the picture? Strange, isn't it? It makes me think of a gaussian curve. And it is within the picture, not around it!

If you look carefully, you might even spot this "ring of blur" on the hedge picture.

The inner blur, the ring of blur, is impossible to see on real-life pictures. Corner and side blur is possible, as we know.

NB: on a side note, I've noticed the camera app manual mode won't let me go lower than ISO 50, whereas SA mode goes that low, sometimes. Weird.
[Xperia Z5 General] Superrman:
my only disappoint its a plastic lens instead of glass like most of companies

but i bought the phone mainly for performance , nevertheless, expensive phone shoulnt have those problems
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
The plastic lens is only the case for Z5 Premium I guess.

In regular Z5 the camera is covered with one piece of the glass together with entire back.

Z5 Premium indeed has a plastic lens that can scratch easily, do not know why Sony is doing things like this in its "Premium" devices :/
[Xperia Z5 General] Superrman:
how do u know? i saw about Premium in you tube video

Z5C plastic or glass?
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
no, there is a distinct lens cover on the Z5, and it is a different material from the frosted glass back. I am not sure what the material is but it smudges very easily and I already have some dust getting behind the cover.
[Xperia Z5 General] deconfrost:
I'm very happy with the picture and video quality on both my Z5, I have a S6 as well, to me, I don't much difference in quality, but then I'm no professional photographer, but I prefer the Z5 any day, even when my first Z5 cellular went and I can't use the phone anymore other than as a wifi tablets I still wouldn't use the s6, I was using my old ZX till I got another brand new Z5, never a single issue with the camera. only if I can fix my first Z5 cellular signal I be super happy :)
[Xperia Z5 General] boyq:
I just checked video settings when I got camera heat problem. It closed. Damn. I thought the heat pipe will take care of it.
[Xperia Z5 General] thetitanium:
I seriously regret buying this phone. I had a Galaxy Note 3 before and I can bet that it easily takes much better photos than the Z5. I saved upto $800 to buy this phone. Now I'm having a hard time selling it for even $200, after using it for about 3 months.

I believe everyone should steer clear of this phone. There's no details in any shots, and night photography you say? Don't even get me started on that. It's just outrageous. It's a joke. I am a pro photographer myself, if that should matter.
[Xperia Z5 General] tOrNadO™:
Post some snaps you've taken and someone might know what's wrong.. Coz i came from z2 to z5 recently and find that camera has improved a lot..
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
you can see so many sample pictures here...post some pictures plz!!!!

I'm really satisfied with the camera and I have already posted lost of photos here and in another topic to prove my point!

The only problem for me is the blue tint in extremely dark situations! (when using high ISO values!
[Xperia Z5 General] Lambo_car16:
If you are having a hard time selling it for $200, then you're doing something very wrong.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
He probably bought an Xp(a)ria Z5 from some street store on vacation. That would explain it all. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlSgiskekww

Good stuff
[Xperia Z5 General] islanders:
the camera on my xperia z5 is just amazing , i dont use the superior mode but instead i use the manual one , or other apps such as manual camera or fv-5 , if you want to use the superior auto take an iphone 6 or 6s
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
no matter how many times you prove it...they just don't want to accept that Z5 camera is excellent!!

yes there are limitations in some aspects but it's up there with other flagships...

If you prefer the over-sharpening of S7 then you can always go for it...
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
It is not excellent, I still miss camera from my Lumia 1020, mostly manual control.

And stop speaking if you like camera on s7 and buy that device then. No, I don´t want S7 or G5 or HTC 10, I want Z5, and I want Sony to improve their image processing and alghoritms.

I know this camera sensor on Z5 can do more.

What I like about the camera on Z5 is a good video stability.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
I think that besides software processing what lets me down on the Z5 is the lack of true manual controls. The poor quality / misaligned optics (causing blurring of either half and near the edges) doesn't help sony's cause either. I am one of the most ardent sony xperia users but time and time again i see sony not keeping up with the competition. I own the S7 too and to sum up my claim I'm providing here a few night shots from both my phones. You guys have a look and see for yourself what I mean.

S7 auto

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S7 pro mode iso 80

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S7 pro mode iso 50

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Z5 8MP auto

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Z5 8MP manual iso 1600

View attachment 3760208

Z5 23MP manual iso 1600

View attachment 3760210

The aim here is to compare both (auto and manual) modes for quickest and best results that can be had on both the devices. Lenses were shiny clean on both with both phones stabilized using pavement (wall).

I will post full resolution images shortly here for those who're interested.

P.S - Post edited as per the observation by the poster below (added 23 MP shot too)!
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
One quick question about the last 2 Z5 photos(manual)! Is the lightening the same for these photos?

It seems the light source at the center of the image is not there for the last 2 pictures...

I'm also waiting for more manual controls on Z5
[Xperia Z5 General] Sensination:
Guys, you will not believe it! After exchanging Z5 FOUR times, fifth unit I got finally has minimal left hand side blur! Is that even possible? Its the best unit I had so far. It's still there I think but it's minimal and definitely acceptable. Also check out few macro shots I took :) Pretty good huh?

Link to originals below.

goo.gl/xw2Evh

Sent from Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Indeed, your observation was correct. The neighbour did turn the lights off during my test which I failed to realise until you pointed out. Honest mistake on my part, hence the previous post edited and the last two pics replaced (now all those pics have the exact same lighting and focus point). Thanks!
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
Clearly the manual control on S7 is very good...

How can you get such brighter photos on S7 with much lower ISO compare to Z5?

Do you use manual shutter speed or something else?
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
It's a worthless comparision since he locked ISO and used long shutter speed for the S7. He could have used night scene mode in manual for the Z5 which would give upto 1s shutter speed and keep ISO low. [emoji41]

Btw you get all manual except RAW in for example FV-5 camera app. Though max resolution is 8MP but it should use pixel binning so the whole sensor is used.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Long exposure shots :laugh:! Both the low ISO photos (S7) have exposure time of 10 seconds each, which unfortunately can't be done on the Z5. Although I wish to see the comparison if it were possible somehow on the Z5.

BTW, all the pics are straight from the phone (unedited). However, the S7 supports RAW (optional) and processing the RAW (.dng) files from S7 takes mobile photography to a whole new level!

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OR I could have used the same low iso + long exposure time for Z5 photos as well if only sony had given me that option ;)! No mode night scene, fireworks etc. can compensate for the lack of true manual controls on the Z5. If you don't believe me then please tell me the parameters and I'll redo the comparison with whatever settings you like on the Z5, but I can assure you that S7 WILL outperform it! And please stop defending each and every post that points out any weakness of the Z5 / sony xperia cameras.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
True it lacks freedom but if you are going to use best mode on the S7 then also use best mode on the Z5. You took some time to set the S7 up but didn't bother with the Z5. Test FV-5 it gives all but RAW though exposure time is limited sadly. :Cool:

And to note that your "comparision" the Z5 would maintain image integrity if objects would move since it either went for 1/8 or 1/16 shutter speed. Even the slightest object movement on the S7 would result in blurry patches and a mess with a 10s shutter speed. So use is very limited. You need a static scene for it to be of use. :Cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
I just tried camera fv 5 and it sucks, it its complicated it takes time to set all these options, nothing comes close like a stock camera app.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Ha... I actually took more time with the Z5 trying all the different settings (as you know there are so many). I had shot and previously even posted the one with night scene but deleted it as the central light source had been turned off while i was shooting those!

BTW.. I've added the link to full resolution photos of the comparison above in the relevant post.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
No you didn't since you didn't post photos in night mode which uses slower shutterspeed. ISO 1600 is not night scene mode. :Cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
True.. I've tried a few camera apps from playstore too but none come close to the stock camera app be it sony Z5 or samsung S7.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Well manual is all about settings, no? :Cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Really! Here you go..

View attachment 3760278

Yeah, I know it has the central light switched off, but hey, you can at least compare the rest of parts where that does not matter ;)!

You might want the fireworks mode too, guess...

View attachment 3760280
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
But the central lights are off so you have two wildly different lighting conditions. Still worthless. Redo. :Cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
God, you will make me go out and redo it! Fine.

S7 pro mode iso 50

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Z5 8MP manual mode (night scene)

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Original samples here
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
Well the first image is very sharp here, except it doesn't have the same lightening!

you can clearly see the Z5 camera have the potential but SONY doesn't let us to use it properly!:confused:

The superior auto on Z5 is useless in low light condition as it goes for very high ISO values!
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Now tell me why the S7 photo is 2516x1887 (4,8MP) resolution and the Z5 is 3090x2317 (7,2MP) when the Z5 is supposed to be 8MP and the S7 12MP? :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Yes, I agree. The Z5 camera certainly has the potential. And sony will never bother to allow us to use it to its maximum until people stop defending every restriction (software or hardware wise) sony throws at us and keep finding faults at or ignoring what the competition has stepped up to!

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Both your assumptions are incorrect. Neither the resolution nor the file size, nothing to tell you if you don't make any sense :D! Go figure.

Anyway both pics posted above have been scaled down by xda to same resolution (808x606) and to sizes 293kb and 256kb.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
You can download the attachments and see the resolution and filesize. Anyone can validate what I said. So to make a conclusion your "test" is skewed. Your S7 photo is supersampled from 12MP to 4,8MP which greatly enhances IQ. The Z5 is barely supersampled at 7,2MP from original 8MP. So I guess the joke is on you. Better luck next time and aim for a fair comparision and not a skewed one. I wont say the Z5 will be better but you are just making it look worse than it really is. Keep it classy. :cool:

What XDA scales it to is irrelevant. The original unscaled size is relevant and it shows manipulation from your side. It's that simple. :D

Tip: Open attachment in a new tab. Resolution is displayed next to the filename. Right click and save. Enjoy!
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Or maybe something is wrong with the software you are using that might be giving you false values of the photos attached! I find your jumping to such conclusions and calling everything "skewed" really funny!

I am using the windows internet explorer to check the properties of the two attachments.

Can anybody validate what the poster above is saying? As I find his claim absolutely absurd and desperate!
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
I don't want to interrupt your discussion but what I get by downloading the attached files (firefox):

S7: 2516x1887

Z5: 3090x2317

edit: same resolution on IE
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
Totally untrue and I find all your posts condescending! What If I were to provide you the original resolutions of both the samples and ask you to re-upload them to xda.. would you do it? Let's see if my comparison is actually skewed or not! Man, I'm really having fun doing all this lol!

Original samples here

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Yes, strange enough.. I saw that too. Maybe its the xda website acting smart. Anyhow, I have shared the link to original photos. Just download them and see.

Would be nice if anyone can re-upload the attachments from the original photos using Windows internet explorer (xda website) like I did and see if its the website doing the trick or is it me!
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
You are better of posting on Flickr and allowing view of all resolutions or Abload.de (max 10MB, no compression). XDA image hosting has a 300KB max size limit regardless of resolution. Thus the bigger the image resolution the more it suffers from XDAs brutal jpeg compression. XDA attachment seldom make for proper nor serious comparisions. :)
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
here you go...tried on firefox!

Still the same...
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
So, in other words, what you are saying is that your allegation that I have "skewed" the comparison is null and void! Can you now see that nothing has been "skewed" by me here? Its the xda wesite.

Also, now you may compare the original resolutions yourself preferably on a well calibrated big screen (if possible) and see how scene modes can't be a match to full manual controls? If its a yes then I have nothing to say further. Peace.

Thanks for doing this. It proves what I said above.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
XDA wont change resolution just compress to a filesize of max 300KB. Doesn't change the fact that your S7 photo is 4,8MP and the Z5 7,2MP. You have supersampled the S7 shot greatly. This makes it all look much better than if at original 12MP resolution aswell as look better with XDA compression system as there will be less loss. Also other user confirmed the resolution so I was right and you wrong. Deal with it and keep it classy. ?
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I have no idea what mode you use for Z5, but I get 100 times better results with mine..

Anyway. I will have a chance to do the same comparison Z5 & S7 soon.

In two weeks. Than I will know.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
OMG! Have you even downloaded the original photos and checked their exif data. Please do it for your own sake and re-upload to xda using Internet Explorer like the other user, then download those attachments and see the properties again! Also, what you are saying is that the other user also skewed those in S7's favour? Lol.

You know what, with posts like above, you are doing nothing but making a fool out of yourself!
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Well skewed resolution and XDA attachment hosting makes for bad IQ. Seen your night mode photos and taken such myself in similar scenes so I already had a reference thus it was easy to notice it didn't compute.

Looking forward to a proper comparision. Do both static and dynamic scenes since even slight wind (vegetation, moving objects etc) will make for a mess with slow shutter speed so it is only suitable in a few limited situations. :D
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
So, its going to be like this huh? You completely ignore my previous post(s) and the original uncompressed photos and their exif data and their honest side by side comparison with your own eyes and get stuck on the messed up xda attachments and call xda f*ck up as my skewed comparison! Wow, what would that make your own opinion as? "Skewed", I guess?

Anyhow, I see now that its pointless to reason with you given you ignore all that I (and the other users) prove here and write about owing to your own biased opinion.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Yes. S7 will outperform Z5 in night photography. That's very clear to anyone with a basic understanding of photography. Z5's maximum shutter speed is 1 second (at least without rooting). S7's maximum shutter speed is 10 seconds. S7 is able to collect about 10 times more light than Z5. No testing is needed to verify this obvious fact.

Z5 is unusable in night photography with its current camera software. Z5's camera software has many other similar limitations. The problem is not Z5's hardware or post-processing. it's the outdated camera software.
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
Camera native one of Sony just really sucks. I checked Camera fv-5 and it improves everything about the speed taking a pic and autofocus time. Really Sony, i dont know what the hell they are doing. At least give a proper compatibility to developers of others app.