yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
Yes I chatted with them as well. They don't know anything that hasn't already been said. The Engineers are working with Samsung and the standard try to make you feel better stuff. The guy was nice and answered my questions about returning it as I post some pages back. It is all a matter of trying to keep PR under control right now.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dgriffin2013:
T-Mobile is doing good for now in my opinion, we can give them a day or two to deliver a plan/more information. I want a response from Samsung, even just an acknowledgement from someone there that our complaints have been heard.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Bubba Fett:
Wow. That's a little different. I like the way thats sounds bull5hit or not. Nice info.

Edit. Sorry wrong quote.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
So since you already sent in your old phone, you are stuck with doing a jump upgrade but now you can choose a different phone instead of the S7? This is why I did not rush to send in my Note 5.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] v8dreaming:
It's not illegal. It might be against their terms, but it's not illegal. No one will ever be arrested, or go to jail, for tethering in a manner T-Mobile doesn't agree with. No one is stealing data. That data is paid for. T-mobile just doesn't want us to be able to use tethering without paying them for the ability to do so.

You are correct that the locked bootloader has nothing to do with tethering though
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] JasontheKep:
There are display units for sale on eBay, that don't have a cellular radio. I wonder if they could be rooted or if the BL is locked on them as well. If you could get in and edit things in one of those maybe it would make it a possibility for the normal ones. I know it wouldn't directly translate into having an unlock for the regular S7 but it may help with coming up with an exploit.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] MechaMorph:
You apparently have zero understanding of how major corporations work. Legere is a great CEO (he's one of the reasons my wife and I left Verizon for T-Mobile). He absolutely fights for his customers, but Legere will always look out for himself first (as anybody would). If Legere told Samsung to shove off because of less then 1% of the user base this is what would happen:

The stock value tanks as numbers are drastically missed.

Shareholders: "John, what happenned?"

Legere: I decided to not sell the Galaxy S7 series of devices because it had a locked bootloader which maybe 1% of the user base cares about.

Shareholders: "John, you're fired."

That'll be on the front page of CNN Money or Forbes. Allowing bootloader locked devices won't.

So no Legere can't just tell Samsung to shove off. It doesn't work that way.

All the bad press on social media for Verizon and AT&T over their decision to lock bootloaders didn't do jack. Keep in mind all that "bad press" was limited to Android news sites and bloggers. You didn't see a headline on CNN or Forbes that said "Verizon to screw less then one percent of their user base."

These major corporations weather bad press all the time. This bootloader thing is just an itch that they won't even bother scratching. All that matters in the long run is their quarterly numbers and whether or not the shareholders are happy.

You also will NEVER see a carrier bad mouth an OEM. They want to sell that OEMs devices. They won't risk the chance of blowing that.

Show me where I've spread doubt. All I've done is spoken the truth about the situation. Because the way things are going won't change a damn thing.

Bugging T-Mobile or Sprint won't change Samsung's mind. Bugging Samsung directly won't do it either because they don't care.

You want to force Samsung's hand? Then you get the other OEM's involved. You use social media to tell HTC, LG, Huawei, and others what Samsung has done. Ask them if they're going to do the same. Ask LG about the G5. Ask HTC about the M10. If LG comes back and says the G5 will be unlockable then you heap praise upon them and make sure Samsung knows it. Samsung doesn't want LG or HTC to suddenly become the darling of the Android Army as that could make one of those OEM's relevant again.

Look at the announcements of the S7 and the G5. The G5 has been glossed over badly. The S7 is the darling of bloggers world right now. Samsung doesn't want that to change so if we force it to change....well that unlocked bootloader becomes a real possibility.

Stuff like that isn't what you want to do. It just shows immaturity. Anything like that will undermine the work already done or work in the future.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] danon.brown:
I have another brand new note 5 at home that I was planning on selling. Love this phone but won't keep it if this doesn't get fixed. My android system stays at 35-45%
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jdidtht:
They are going to point their fingers at samsung of course. Do you think they would admit they requested or overlooked a locked bootloader? Hell no. Do NOT buy into "the good fight" bs. This is what they do, this is why they are gaining ground in the market, they aren't stupid and have a GREAT pr dept/ceo. They are experts at diffusing potential threats and negative situations. Keep the pressure on them, keep tagging samsung, keep grinding them BOTH. Period. Don't let tmobile just point the finger and pass the blame on fully to samsung. If they have unlocked bootloaders with their own chipset I am lead to believe that the US carriers settled for this, overlooked this, just didn't give a crap about this. Grind them all and don't stop until something happens. Should be as easy as a simple Ota right? Tmobile has some slimy business practices. They used the uncarrier Angle to get millions of users on board.. there's a reason for this, money. Keep on
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] mrbigdrawsz:
Having worked in the tech field for a large company, it is encouraging that we've reached enough eyes and ears for them to have given their tech support talking points.

The standard responses we are seeing on Twitter are certainly coming down from all management. So that means they are certainly aware of our concerns and at the least, taking steps to remedy them.

Now, "remedy" can have a lot of definitions.

1. Fix it and get the bootloader unlocked.

2. Keep saying the same ish until we give up and move on to something else.

3. Buy them some time to devise a proper response to the dev community that basically says "sorry, can't help you". And hopefully that response will be sufficient for us to follow #2. LOL

Either way, I think it's cool that they are at least taking us seriously to some extent. I do think we'll hear something back soon, but not sure if we'll like the answer or hate it. Only time will tell.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Ritual82:
I'm trying...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Root-Maniac:
Haha yeah I won't be doing that, going to try modifying the stock recovery by a couple bytes to see if I can still flash it. I'm a bit worried as I was going to return my Note 5 tomorrow but now I am not sure haha

Not looking good at all. I modified the stock recovery by one byte. It failed to flash in odin and the phone displayed this message.

Secure Check Fail: Recovery

Also after messing around in the stock recovery, when I reboot it says something about dm verity checking hash tree.

Reminds me of the note 4 days [emoji27] [emoji27] [emoji27] [emoji27] [emoji27]

Hope I'm wrong!!!!!!!

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Anything I can do to confirm the bootloader is locked/unlocked?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Root-Maniac:
Anything I can do to confirm the bootloader is locked or unlocked?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TEKHD:
[MENTION=522448]Fenny[/MENTION]

Just got my device today... after a quick look, I don't see anything locked.

If you are referring to:

QUALCOMM SECUREBOOT: ENABLE

SECURE DOWNLOAD: ENABLE

that's perfectly normal... nothing to worry about...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Fenny:
Can you flash a kernel with modified init?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TEKHD:
I haven't done anything yet... I am going to submit the VR info and add a Credit Card to Samsung Pay (for the free charger...) (got device today)

Do you have a log?...

Give me a moment...

ok...

Error? What are you getting?

all the lines...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Fenny:
So: Here is what I did. I extracted the zip for supersu for systemless root, dropped the contents into /data/local/tmp, then ran through the portion of the update script meant to patch the initramfs one line at a time, correcting for the obvious difference in storage location. Extracted cpio, expanded, patched, compressed, and then reinjected into the kernel image.

The earlier message I mentioned is what I got when I tried to flash. I tarred the unmodified kernel, and it flashed fine.

Those two bootloader flags you mention are normally fine, yes. This error message I am getting is the one you get when you try to flash the wrong radio, or an older version of aboot. My concern is that they have extended the secure download to include the boot partition.

*EDIT*

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<ID:0/003> Added!!

<ID:0/003> Removed!!

<ID:0/009> Added!!

<ID:0/009> Odin engine v(ID:3.1100)..

<ID:0/009> File analysis..

<ID:0/009> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/009> Initialzation..

<ID:0/009> Get PIT for mapping..

<ID:0/009> Firmware update start..

<ID:0/009> SingleDownload.

<ID:0/009> boot.img

<ID:0/009> NAND Write Start!!

<ID:0/009> RQT_CLOSE !!

<ID:0/009>

<ID:0/009> Complete(Write) operation failed.

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TEKHD:
ok... got it... It's 3:10PM in Thailand and 9:10AM in Spain... Let me see if I can get some extra help...

[MENTION=522448]Fenny[/MENTION]

check your PM's...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Root-Maniac:
[MENTION=4107827]TEKHD[/MENTION] [MENTION=522448]Fenny[/MENTION]. If you need any one to test anything I'm on standby.

Thank you in advance for your work!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Bubba Fett:
Thank You guys for taking the risks and putting in the effort for the rest of us! It is appreciated greatly!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] king3opobn:
I feel like my s7 edge is a virgin. Fun but it will get more fun! ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] PapaMag:
Work the magic fellas can't wait to start theming this bad boy
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UpInTheAir:
[MENTION=4107827]TEKHD[/MENTION]

OK, got your PM and just taking a look at this thread now. . .

Without having TWRP, by far the easiest way to obtain root will be the release of kernel source and rooting restrictions can be removed. Once this is done, just inject the su binary into SYSTEM via ramdisk script.

You can request source at Samsung OSRC. If your device is not listed, then request through a similar device and region by completing the "enquiry" form. Don't forget to state your device model & firmware version (PDA). The more users do this, possibly a faster response from Samsung (might not either).

Without source, you can still try a couple things:

1. Inject su binary into SYSTEM - shouldn't be a problem for [MENTION=5116431]Manh_IT[/MENTION]

2. Patch ramdisk for su. Similar to > THIS < commit. I would suggest to use binaries from supersu v2.68.

3. Do not bother with default.prop changes or auditd removal in init.rc

4. Replace your sepolicy with my Note5 patched sepolicy (attached)

5. Change both fstab.samsungexynos7420 & fstab.samsungexynos7420.fwup SYSTEM to rw. The ,support_scfs,verify is removed in his commits. If you don't have these in your ramdisk, then look for something similar.

/dev/block/platform/15570000.ufs/by-name/SYSTEM	/system	ext4	[COLOR="Blue"]rw[/COLOR],errors=panic,noload	wait[COLOR="Red"],support_scfs,verify[/COLOR]

When you repack the ramdisk, ensure the size is not > the partition, or it will not boot.

I do not have your device, nor plan to. I'd prefer the Exynos (larger Note too) and reports are that it's much better SoC than the SD. Just hope Samsung don't neuter it like they did with the 5433 (was 64 bit capable - where 810 was not).

As I said, don't believe would root will be an issue for you guys/gals once the source is released. But worth a try for those that are capable.

I hope this helps out, but I won't be posting any more or able to offer further advice for a totally different device than my own.

Good luck with it all :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] king3opobn:
It's up in the air...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Fenny:
We have not been able to get Odin to flash either recovery or kernel at all, will building from source help that?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
So if you Odin TWRP, does it fail to complete successfully? We didn't need to be rooted on the Note 5 to at least Odin TWRP but it would not stick unless you were rooted. I would Odin TWRP and then immediately boot up into it. At that point I would flash the kernel giving me root. If TWRP is failing though Odin, could it just be a version compatibility issue?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Fenny:
There is no TWRP as of yet. I can't even Odin a kernel with a totally unchanged, but repacked, initramfs. Stock images flash fine.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
I was just looking at the TWRP page to see if it was listed yet. Hopefully we are just in the beginning phase of getting this figure out. And when I say WE, I mean you devs that are really doing the work. ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
Gents this phone is not set to be released until the 11th... We just need to wait.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] tekno4ever:
I am going to be applying a bit of pressure on Twitter [MENTION=767379]Samsungmobile[/MENTION] to release kernel source
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] king3opobn:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiryView
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dgriffin2013:
I agree with the talking points being a good sign, I am really encouraged by the fact they responded at all. I think #2 would be the worst but would also look the worst for T-Mobile, and scenario number 3 seems likely based on how corporations usually treat people like us who want more functionality from devices. I just hope if they do say something along the lines of "sorry, we cant help you" that we have someone who knows enough to refute their claim, then we can rally around their lie.

By acknowledging our existence they now have an obligation to make us happy or they will look bad. Looking bad to a few devs may or may not concern T-Mobile or Samsung.

Another scenario we could hope for is some sort of leak from inside Samsung or T-Mobile. I think I read somewhere that unlocked bootloaders have been leaked out in the past.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jbfountain:
Not true. HTC gives their customers a way to unlock bootloaders except for Verizon, and they do it through their website. No one has found a way to do it on the Verizon phones with that method. Samsung could do the same thing only just for T-Mobile customers or Sprint if they decide to.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] NotATreoFan:
There was discussion prior to release that all US carriers received identical S7 and S7 Edge models, from a hardware perspective. If this is the case, that could explain why only the SD820 devices are locked. Samsung would have been forced to do it on AT&T and Verizon, and perhaps they didn't want to deal with variants on Sprint and T-Mobile that were unlocked. Not necessarily due to the unlocked part, but just because they wanted to make a single SKU and call it a day.

Multiple sites confirmed that you need a SIM inserted during initial setup because that is when the phone will perform the network lock, if applicable. And if you inserted the SIM after, it would reboot the phone and make you go through it again. Further pointing to it being the same hardware under the hood and merely using different firmware for each carrier.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dgriffin2013:
I think this is more of a european thing, the ATT and Verizon models have the carrier logo on the back instead of samsung, I don't think that can be set using a sim card.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Casetheace:
A lot of this boot loader being locked down is directly from Android pay and Samsung pay. They are both new lines of revenue and potentially a significant amount of revenue. Samsung in its latest earnings call I believe had mentioned that in the future that Samsung pay could be up to 25% of there total revenue..Which is a insane amount of money. The only way these pay options will take off or ever have a chance is to have the phone secure and locked down. I don't think they need to be, but it's the mindset of many that without that. There will be a hacker or some kind of scandal that will ruin there possible gold mind of revenue. If you just google, apple earnings per quarter, then in that find out what revenue came from there apple pay and what they see in the future from this, then look up alphabet earnings and then Samsung if you can which is listed in Singapore I believe. I really don't think it's t mobile's fault at all, I have a feeling that Samsung wants there phones like this to be more secure with it's pay option. Along with Android. But why would the international be unlocked then? Only thing I can think of it's a some kind of new regulation in USA with a online pay system needing to be secured?? A guess that is....But I highly doubt that tmobile even might have checked this before they sold the phones whether they where locked or not. From what I understand is tmobile sends Samsung there firmware and then Samsung adds it to the phones?? Correct or not?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
Has anyone thought about creating an online petition? Generic to ALL S7/Edge carrier models? I highly doubt VZW or ATT would allow it if there ever came to be an OTA but it would allow for us to put our collective numbers all into one thing. One outlet. And maybe once others start seeing numbers they will want to know what's going on and join in to help. Not sure if we'd get enough signatures to matter though.

Just an idea. Shoot it down if it sucks. In the mean time, back to the battle...!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Tenchi4U:
Naw dawg, got mine free from the BOGO promotion. If I return, I lose the giftcard coming my way from TMo (and the 2 free VRgear headsets...Which I'll also end up selling). I'm selling mine (since I had to be purchased outright upfront) to pay for my wife's S7 (on the EIP). This way I'm essentially getting her S7 for "free".

That is, unless they announce an unlock before the eBay auction ends,then I'll keep it. If they announce after I selling mine, i steal my wife's and get her a different phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] NotATreoFan:
Of course. There are clearly some changes to the outside of the devices. I'm referring to the actual components inside the phone. Those may be 100% identical between all SD820 carrier models, relying on firmware to program the unique model number and of course some customization to the glass etching.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
This goes back to the early days.... proprietary units... Packard Bell, Apple, and Acer computers.... If one purchased a new laptop, or computer.... would we be happy if being told we can't install any software we wanted on these units? These cellphone companies have become proprietary to themselves.... nothing fits on another phone. There needs to be standards created by the industry so this can't happen....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jdidtht:
But of course they will acknowledge us, I mean, come on, you go on social media for two days and tag everyone in the world they have literally one choice. To acknowledge our concern, repeat our concern back to us, and then tell us something to temporarily diffuse the situation until further instructions are passed along via a Tuesday or Wednesday morning memo. This is standard sales technique handling a customer with a complaint. This is nothing new. They want us to be quiet, to feel like they are working on something, and even if they are it doesn't matter because they haven't stated anything new. Keep on
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Corwinder:
Nevermind. pics don't seem to be showing up right.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dgriffin2013:
I am very encouraged by the progress we have made, we just need to remember big companies tend to move super slow, and we have at least 2 large companies standing between us and what we want. Qualcomm could also be involved, since it is their chip they likely supply Samsung with most of the bootloader. The more pressure we apply the faster it will get done, good work so far and lets keep at it!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Corwinder:
If this doesn't post the pic I give up.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
I am going to speak my peace about this.

I have been on the phone literally all weekend with tech blogs, friends, co workers etc

Everyone is overwhelmed right now myself incudled with everything this whole weekend I have been contacting people left and right within the Telecom field I think everyone here knows I work in the Telecommunications field as a network engineer so I have a lot of friends in high places that I can reach to I think at this point in time we just need to be patient and wait and keep pushing of the campaign as we are.

I don't think anyone should be returning their device the device itself is amazing it is magnificently just a beautiful device in general at this point in time the only thing that we should be doing is trading in the device may be for a different device if you truly cannot Stand TouchWiz all that I want root for is the sound mods I'm a huge music fan.

I don't know how everybody else feels about that but I do know that if we keep this whole thing out that we're doing we will probably see results so I just think that all the Flaming in the post everything that's going on I think everything like that needs to stop and I think everybody should just take a chill it's only been a few days since the phone's been out we do know from past events that stuff like this has happened and exploits can be found so we just need to be patient and we just need to wait and we just need to continue our campaign.

Continue to keep posting the Tweet results and continue to like and retweets and do all that and honestly that's all we can do we can vent about it but it's not going to go anywhere and the more you think the more upset you get and as well if someone from T-Mobile corporate does look at this thread and they see that they're just going to turn the other eye this is an aggressive campaign we have done really good lets keep it that way. In the world of Technology power user are normally considered aggressive smart asses and anything else that you can think of that negative let's prove them wrong.

Stand tall and stand stong.

I hope my message has not offended anyone it was not pointed or directed to anyone.

Ice

I used google voice i am driving right now sorry for any errors

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