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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] alexp1289:
Why not ask for a bootloader unlock program for all devices? You're only solving this one problem assuming it works as intended. Look at the bigger picture especially while you have their attention and check your spelling and grammar on that petition description so a business professional will take it seriously. Samsung could easily do what HTC does for unlocking and I'd even pay a small fee to unlock their bootloaders. I would tweak those things I have mentioned.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
I just pulled the trigger and got my return label to return my S7 Edge. I ordered it online with my Jump program so there will be no restocking fee. Bummer as overall I really liked this phone. I just REALLY hope the Note 6 isn't locked down but I won't be buying another phone until it is released and confirmed to not be locked.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] tekno4ever:
In addition to my daily tweets, I've also asked the 11 guys in my Android Group on the Line App to sign the petition and so far a couple of them have agreed to sign.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] system0verload:
Both me and the wifey signed the petition though we are not near interested in getting an S7 yet; pretty nice piece of hardware when looked at in person!

In all honesty, this is a pipe dream man; hopefully something do happens but I would not keep my hopes up because it all boils down to corporate control and plain greed sometimes. I think the only way forward from now on is actually getting dirty to the metal and find a 0 day exploit by REing the heck out of it once the kernel source is released.

If all else fails then yes, boycotting any future Samsung handset may be a way of making a stand but again....

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] hawkstwelve:
To all those who are returning their device: Did you apply for the promotional offer of the free Gear VR and year of Netflix? If so, did you have to cancel that order? I am strongly considering going back to my Note 5 but the only thing holding me back is the Gear VR and year of Netflix. My "Samsung check status" page says "Fullfilment pending" now, so I assume they wouldn't cancel that if I returned my S7E, right?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] nickmus:
If you take an average price of $525 X 1000 consumers, that's $525,000. That would make any company pay attention.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chipworkz:
It wasn't brought up so I am not sure what is going to happen there. Someone else said in the terms and conditions it says that we will have to pay for them if we cancel. I already use netflix so if I have to pay for that then it isn't a big deal as I would have paid for the year anyway. For the Gear VR, I will need to decide if I want to keep it or just sell it and get most of my money back.

Mine also says "Fullfilment pending" we will see if that changes now that I have put in for my return.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] system0verload:
Not necessarily true when it comes to the size of someone like a telecomm service provider like T-Systems... this is pretty much "chump change" to them, trust me on this one!

This is why they pretty much "lack" respect for the Dev community because though united we stand, we don't hurt the bottom line.. If we could provoke an "appendicitis" effect, where the smallest thing in our bodies could threaten the very well being of the whole body then they would notice, however, choosing our poison must be really thought out and doing something unethical or down right illegal might do more harm than good like when you get surgery to get the appendicitis removed Lol.. wrong analogy but I hope I painted a really realistic picture here! Hah
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] danon.brown:
You should be able to keep them. I got the LG v10 promo and returned the phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Soufiansky:
This is acually the most active thread in xda , if not in the internet :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
Good morning everyone. Hope you're ready for sum likes/retweets.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
Correct but if they could do something to at least mitigate that loss, why wouldn't they? Especially if it wouldn't really cost them much (assuming it wouldn't. I'm not really sure). Plus it should be assumed by them that the 1000 signatures on that petition aren't the only customers they stand to lose, those are just the ones who knew about the petition, so they could potentially lose even more.

It may be optimistic, but it's still our best shot.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] namlas:
Same boat. Put a reminder for myself for the 25th to return both S7 devices if this doesn't get resolved by then. :(
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] kushtech:
I agree about the grammar and spelling.

The misspelled words and improper use of others kind of weakens the professional and serious tone that needs to be present on this petition.

Im no grammar nazi ... just my two cents.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
We may not out a dent in their sales from our individual sales. However this event is extremely bad PR which could lead to the loss of sales from fans who don't even know what a bootloader is. If I saw the Twitter as a normal customer I would be like "wtf?! I don't want that phone". That's why Legere addressed the concern so quickly once we launched the Twitter campaign. Ever since social media, PR is extremely important, especially with the very vocal Majority (XDA). We are the vocal minority, however the Majoirty of us are very vocal here at XDA compared to the normal customers.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] system0verload:
Agreed! I'm being optimistic and sincerely hope for the best while prepping for the worse outcome.. only way is to reach mass media status, like a viral event on social media.

My wife asked me "why is this bootloader thing so important to you guys? Phone works just fine and I can take pics and even pay without using my CC"... well, you could imagine the look on my face but her reaction is the reaction of the 99% of phone handset users unfortunately. Another example, one of my closest friends ditched his iPhone for a Samsung phone. When I attempted to explain the situation his automatic response was "Well, I never had to root or jailbrake my iPhone so...."

My point is that in order to really make a big impact more than 1000 signatures are needed; this needs to blow up like a pandemic through social media but explaining to the world out there why this is important is the Everest challenge: doable but almost impossible.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Project X-Ray:
I wasn't going to say anything, but yeah, I absolutely agree that the petition should reflect a more professional tone. Also, I just think that if nothing else comes of this, at the very least, T-Mobile should waive restocking fees for those who would like to return their phones within the grace period. I only say this because historically devices from Tmo have been unlocked and there was no indication that I know of that this would no longer be the case.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
This whole thing comes down to Samsung Pay..... Samsung will probably balk on the unlock because Samsung Pay will not work with the bootloader unlocked. And they so much want this program to work, and make them oodles of money. I for one would never use any Payment system on my phone. Phones get lost, and phones get stolen.... that's a fact... I have quick passes that I use from my credit card companies.... same thing, but only safer. This phone is not a credit card to me, and will never be.....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Soufiansky:
Totally agree with you and even 1000 is not enough , they have thousands of S7/S7 edge users , and soon it will be millions , so we should look for the biggest number possible of people complaining.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] destructionj:
Yep..i got 4-12's in my car and use my phone for my music when in the car. bottom line is no viper then no new phone for me..
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
I've still yet to hear a single logical argument from those that blame Samsung as to why Samsung's own SOC S7 model isn't locked down too. Dare I suggest it might have more to do with T-Mobile than they're letting on and there could be some lip service going on here.

Sent from my Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] gdmlaz:
I believe the laws outside of USA prohibits Samsung from locking down bootloaders, However is perfectly legal for them to do it in the states, They Don't want you to root so you use their samsung pay that they are pushing so hard.... So a good guess why they sent all phones locked to usa
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] eichenberg:
Is Samsung Pay available outside the US? If so, that is not the issue as non US phones have unlocked bootloaders
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
Also Samsung Pay doesn't work in all European countries yet.... that's why the European version is unlocked...... I saw a post from a person in England who stated the recent update for his S7 removed the Samsung Pay software from his phone because it doesn't work in the UK yet.....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] meraz9000:
They should AT LEAST make it an option for users willing to void their warranty just to open the boot loader. We all paid almost 800$ for this device and I will trade Samsung Gimmick Pay for the ability to use the full potential of this beautiful phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
No, that definitely isn't the case. I've worked on Samsung devices for friends in the UK here with locked bootloaders. Orange always locked their Samsung bootloaders and I believe EE still do, although someone on EE on this forum with an Exynos S7 Edge was able to root so perhaps they have now stopped that. Also, if you bought a Sony Xperia on Vodafone tomorrow it would come with a locked bootloader.

Sent from my Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] psych0r3bel:
Not to dig up an old post, but I'm GLAD to see someone else here who understands how business works. Everyone calls you a downer or a party-ruiner for pointing out the reality in a situation, not realizing the key thing about reality: it exists whether or not you believe or accept it.

The bootloader will undoubtedly be unlocked one way or another, or a workaround will be found. There's no such thing as safe software. Just gotta pull the right thread. Hardware lockdowns are an entirely different beast, but even then - if you can get the part, it's probably a matter of soldering and replacing the part (Knox eFUSE, for instance). The problems lie in the details. Just as the problems with the whole "LETS RETURN OUR PHONES AND POST RECEIPTS AND PIT LG AGAINST SAMSUNG" are entirely in the details.

Let's face it - You're not going to get enough people to do this to make Samsung GIVE a damn right now. You probably know 15 people at best. Your total reach is likely to be 100 people online. Maybe 1000 if you're popular on social media. (You probably aren't.)The phone is selling like hotcakes, even if you got 100,000 people to return their phones, you'd affect their bottom line by a percent at best, and it's something they've probably budgeted for. Having someone important actually reach out on our behalf is really the most effective way at the moment, however we have to let the man work. He just said he reached out to them a few days ago. Corporations are enormous machines, and even when you manage to get them on your side, it takes a while for that machine to get moving.

tl;dr, business has to work the way it's designed to work. Corporations take weeks to reach a decision, especially when multiple are involved. Have some goshdarned patience, and let's try to work with the group, not for yourself.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
That makes no sense. It's coming to the UK this year and is already available in other European countries that have the Exynos model without a locked bootloader. I don't buy that, it's completely illogical.

I don't believe the locked bootloader is related to Samsung Pay.

Sent from my Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
My understanding is that since all US carriers supposedly share the same hardware, and the two biggest carriers specifically requested locked bootloaders, all US carriers' bootloaders were locked. It's not that Samsung locked the Tmo variant specifically, or that Tmo specifically requested it to be locked, it's just the way Samsung shipped the phone due to AT&T and Verizon specifically requesting locked down versions. I'm not sure if there's even a way for the Tmo version to be unlocked without also being able to unlock the other carriers' variants as well. If that's the case Samsung may be a bit more reluctant to release an unlock method.

Also, a thought just occurred to me. Samsung consciously made the decision to lock the bootloaders on all US carriers. They had to have seen something like this coming. They know that Tmo generally doesn't get the locked down version, so the fact that that changed this time would surely bring some 'consequences'. They had to have known Tmo users would not be happy, but they did it anyways. This also leads me to believe that Samsung will be reluctant to unlock, since they may have seen this coming in the first place and just said "Oh well. They'll deal with it."

I'm still fighting the good fight though. This is still our best shot. If nothing else, Samsung will know exactly how displeased we are.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] dldennis88:
They(Samsung) say that it will void warranty and no one should root their device. Who do they think they are? I paid 700+ for my phone. I f'in own it, not them. Its my free choice if I want to unlock and mod something that I bought with my money that I own!!! They can make the patch write a permenant warranty void and samsung pay removal for their peace of mind if they wish. I'll sacrifice those two things. Come on TMO CEO John Legere push for us, your customer base.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
This I could believe. Rather than go through the hassle of producing different handsets, some with locked bootloaders and some without, they just mass produced the same models all with locked bootloaders and sent them out to all the US carriers.

Sent from my Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] jds3118:
AFAIK android pay also works on our s7e. I haven't tried it but if it does than that gives people the option to not use Samsung pay. So that should rule out that being a reason to lock the bootloader.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Xileforce:
They still load up different software for each one though, so at that point it wouldn't be any more work to load an unlocked or locked bootloader. That and they never did it before :/
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] AKW:
This is true. Someone reported that they booted their phone up and went through the whole setup process without inserting their SIM, and the proprietary Tmo apps were still on their phone. They were illustrating the point that the phone does not lock to a carrier on the insertion of a SIM card, but this also means that each carrier's variant has a different set of system apps, and therefore possibly and entirely different system partition. I may be wrong, but this could also mean that the bootloader may be specific to each variant like it was in the past. If one partition is different, why not another?

What say you, sir?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
It's surprising that they didn't put out the kernel source code yet for the Snapdragon variant.... the European kernel source code came out rather quickly....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
Why release source code to a locked phone?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
Anyone returning their phones, they are selling the 935F unlocked on Amazon....

Now they state the Exynos is faster than the Snapdragon.....

http://9to5google.com/2016/03/16/galaxy-s7-speed-test-snapdragon-vs-exynos/

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/03...aster-than-its-snapdragon-820-counterpart/
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Xileforce:
They did. But only for sprint and verizon atm(idk y) though im pretty sure theres no difference in kernel source between the variants. Cant think of any reason for there to be.

Because they have to by law. Kernel is GPL V2, which means if they distribute it, they have to release the source code for it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ahrion:
No.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Xileforce:
Launching apps does not a faster device make. It's completely logical for the exynos to launch apps faster. Launching an app uses all 8 cores at once, same with loading into a game. It's not surprising that the exynos with 8 cores beats out the snapdragon with only 4.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] psych0r3bel:
If you, at any point, thought that T-Mobile's end goal was anything beyond making money, you clearly need to take a business class. Or pick up a dictionary, at least. They're SELLING things. Of COURSE they're going to do anything they cal to convince you, as well as anything possible to distract from the actual endgoal. But it's always there. Here's where I'd go into explaining why the no-contract model was inevitable, no matter WHO started it, but I'm not sure it'd mean anything to you (also I can't post an article I drafted in its entirety here.) Regardless, the bottom line is with the phone being due at contract termination and the price of these phones, it's the same candy as the contract game but in a different wrapper with a new shiny name. As I've said before, odds are we'll see something to mitigate this situation. Hell, if we can get CM on the S6/Edge, SOMETHING will happen here, one way or the other. If you like the phone enough, keep it. Give it a year at most. If not, return it. Don't assume you'll be able to do something with a piece of hardware you never even held in your hand.

tldr; caveat emptor.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Bubba Fett:
Thanks for the lesson. I have a business/economics degree but still insightful.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] psych0r3bel:
Hey, I agree that we SHOULD be able to have some faith in the companies we buy **** from, and in a perfect world we would. But we don't. And glad to hear about your degree; I would add just a dash more healthy cynicism to it and you'll be all set!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] UnixSlayer:
Twitter post....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] ice5192:
Okay i am on mu lunch and i want to make this clear to everyone.

The complaining and everything needs to stop this topic is can be viewed by T-Mobile or Samsung at anytime we have to be professional please stop complaining about this. Please make a new topic if you are going to complain we do not not want to risk everything we have done so far!

I am putting a lot of time and effort into this whole thing. I will continue to push until i cannot not push no more i will not give up on the device everyone can have there say state it professionally on the petition this thread is starting to get way way off topic. I am calling all my resources i know to get them to sign the petition as well These people i am calling work in the high level Telco's world and have devices like us

For those who do not agree leave and turn in your device we do not need bashing Samsung or T-Mobile here this is a respectful way we are doing this. This is how things go in the world we live in.

We are at 595 Sigs last i checked please continue to keep pushing and stay on topic TEK will mod the thread if he needs to we need this to be professional and respectful

If it fails i know i did everything i could and i never gave up nor did all of us. This is how we have to get things done.

Please re-tweet and post this link all over i will give another update once i get back home tonight around 5PM CNT

https://www.change.org/p/samsung-unlock-boot-loaders-s7-s7-edge

Ice
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] Beefheart:
If someone has the opportunity to swap their SD model for an unlocked Exynos one they should jump at it, assuming it works in their network. Even if for arguments sake we agreed the SD was the better chipset (and that is highly debatable with a lot if people believing the Exynos is the more stable and battery friendly SOC with identical real world performance) then the fact you can root right now is surely appealing. And whilst I'm highly impressed with all the activity on Twitter etc that this thread and forum has brought about, I doubt Samsung will give a darn Ultimately, I don't believe it will be successful. I hope I'm wrong but you need to be realistic. They're a multinational corporation that won't care about a few thousand phones not sold.

Sent from my Vic 20 disguised as a Galaxy S7 Edge
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] h.nocturna:
I would stay with the T-Mobile version until we know for sure one way or another. If you trade for the Exynos version now, it will be difficult to sell and get the T-Mobile version again later if it is unlocked. Most likely taking a loss on the exchange.

If you stay on the T-Mobile version, you can sell it and buy the international version later. Especially since it will be easier to sell a US phone in the US and it’s typically cheaper to buy the international version.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] rockspin:
Trying to make waves on Samsung Mobile's Instagram posts.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] gdmlaz:
I hope we at least are able to find some type of root for the s7 even with the locked bootloader, I could deal with the stock firmware but no root really blows
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] thegameksk:
I just want the truth. Right now tmo blames Samsung and Samsung blames tmo.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] chiikko561:
Who cares who's fault it is as long as they fix it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Di] TheKnux:
I never got one yet, I even checked for one just now.