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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
I've been saying the same thing and Pilz hasn't had a valid response. No normal person that I know walks around with a camera phone and a tripod. 95 out of a 100 photos taken with an s7 will be easily repeatable (fast focus and ois). You'd have to walk around with a freaking tripod and take your time to get comparable photos with a nexus p and even then it's debatable. The 6P is not a contender. It may take OK photos but not in the same league as the other flagships. Most of the photos I see are horribly underexposed with large portions of the composition disappearing in the darkness. Here is a detailed comparison post I did on one of the other threads: http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s7/how-...s-nexus-6p-t3326281/post65655216#post65655216
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] peachpuff:
Completely forgot the 6p doesn't have ois, using a tripod is cheating :eek:

You're right though about taking repeatable pics, they'll be much easier due to the insanely fast focus and ois.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I only used a tripod for 1 photo and that was the one with the playground. I should clear that up in the OP. So 10/11 of those pictures were taken without a tripod as I walked around my universities campus during my normal day. If I took the others ones with a tripod they would be level with the horizon and have a lot less noise all around. I will gladly take a video of me taking pictures with each phone as I walk around if you don't believe me (which could be the case, but that;s my assumption). I've taken probably well over 1000 pictures with my 6P since I got it and none of them used a tripod. I only received the attachment on sunday of this past week in case anyone was wondering. If you have any other questions feel free to let me know.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Since people seem to think this is a HUGE deal I will go retake both pictures in a few minutes, and upload them for comparison. The S7E is almost done charging anyway.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] peachpuff:
Lol dont take me too seriously :)

Whats your take on the autofocus on both of the phones?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Do you know if Samsung's HDR mode shots are visible in the embedded Exif data? I see the mention of HDR+ in 6P's Exif data, but not on S7's Exif.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
The 6P is fast with the laser assisted AF, but the S7E blows it away in terms of focus speed.

No, I haven't seen it in the EXIF data. I know which are taken with HDR based on when I take them (I always take the last 2-3 images in HDR). Google denotes HDR in their EXIF data which is nice, I wish Samsung had some type of indication. I've also noticed how the S7E's photos are usually 6-7MB vs 3-4MB on the 6P so I wonder why there is a size discrepancy.

I added the new comparison at the bottom of the OP. I did NOT use a tripod, plus I took one of each photo with and without HDR.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Thank you for the answer and your dedication with these comparison images.

Just to clarify, in these comparison shots, if 6P has HDR+ enabled, is S7 always on HDR mode at the same time? I mean, are there any comparison shots were other phone is in HDR mode, when the other phone is not?

Is the S7's HDR mode on by default in auto mode? If it is, have you tested when it kicks in? Is there a ISO limit after HDR mode turns on in low-light?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
They were tested in auto for the other pictures. For the set I just uploaded I purposely selected HDR or no HDR aka not auto since HDR was turned off. HDR+ is only on Nexus phones if I recall correctly Google coined that a year or two ago for their camera app.

The S7E and 6P both have HDR as part of their auto shooting mode. I haven't tested when it kicks it, but it's only happened a few times (when it's really dark). I can play around with it some more tomorrow. I tried to type this on my S7E but the keyboard (both Google and Samsung) were lagging so bad I literally could not use if. I just rebooted the S7E so I hope that fixes it, otherwise I'm going to do a factory reset.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Allesa:
Thank you for your dedication on the thread!

The last comparison confirms my previous theory.

I only looked at the droids photos as there is definitely a shake on the non hdr s7e playground pic

6p DEPENDS on hdr+ in every low light situations and many generic daytime/ good light photos. I really dont know how google did it but google camera's hdr+ really does processing magic through HDR+. Which actually made no sense in photography . The solution of lack of light should not be turning on HDR. If any, HDR+ should be named something like Magic+ or Amazing+ :cyclops:

HOWEVER, in some low light situations, with moving subjects or objects, the 6p is almost useless. Ghosting effect will most definitely be present, as it takes 2 images on one shutter click, combining them, which works fine with still objects but not so much with moving ones. I've had many experiences on taking unusable quick snaps while driving, my very active dog when indoors, as ghosting (not shutter blur) very apparent in the images.

On the other hand, s7e does not need HDR in low light. HDR even makes the darker parts your droid photo blotchier than non-hdr one. S7/e basically pulls more light using the 1.7 lens, not needing to shoot two images like 6p does. I can finally take pictures of my dog while indoor. He moves A LOT! :D

That said, i'm sure i'll be pretty happy when my s7e arrives. Now we only need to hope samsung fixes the sometimes off WB sooner rathen than later. And ofcourse, enabling the greyed out RAW toggle. This is all while keeping my 6p around as 2nd phone.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I agree, without the magical HDR+ the 6P would need some heavy post processing due to the f2.0 lens. Google has its minions using ring recovers from Mt. Doom to make the picture look good. The motion blur makes any action night photos difficult hence why I avoid taking them with their 6P. The S7E still suffers without HDR indoors at night, but the pictures are still usable compared to the 6P which can't get motion without blur in that scenario. I plan to take some panorama pictures tomorrow with both phones which I'll post up if I do
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Thanks again for the answer.

I am still confused by which of your S7 images have multiple exposures. More specific question, in a comparison shot on this page (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3GEgvf7JJtWd2lkWGJ0M2ZnTFE&tid=0B3GEgvf7JJtWQTlNQ01pNXNWRHM), 6P_5.jpg image has HDR+ mode turned on based on the Exif information. Does S7 have HDR mode on in the comparison image S7E_5.jpg?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
I don't really call if it did becusse both phones were set to auto shooting. The S7E likely did not have it on, but I'll go through the 10 or so images I took at that spot with it and check. I know the Nexus took some withiut HDR+ on and I cannot add those to the drive folder too when I get home to night

Update: RAW can be enabled if you go to Pro mode then settings. It didn't work for me before (I'm not sure why) but now it does so that's a good start!

I also took a video paning comparison with both phones and some panorama pictures so look forward to those tonight.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
Like the S7 photos, Samsung seem to have the extremely capable hardware. Some issue with high NR in images, which shouldn't be a big concern, can be easily solved by software update. The sensor is able to gather lot of light.

S7: ISO 800, Exposure 1/10

6P: ISO 2279, Exposure 1/15
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
So did you on purpose make the crop from the most out of focus part of 6P's image?

Anyway, something does not add up in these images exposure-wise. S7's non-HDR looks way brighter than the exposure values indicate, compared to 6P. Based on the exposure values, 6P's image should be almost half a stop brighter.

It's also possible that 6P's actual ISO value is significantly lower than 2279. All manufacturers lie about actual ISO values at higher sensitivities to make the image look better. Others lie more, and others less. I don't know how much lower the actual ISO value is on 6P at ISO 2279.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Beefheart:
Oh dear. A photo looks better on the S7 than the 6P. We simply can't have that.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Pilz, when HDR mode kicks in on S7, is it obvious that S7 actually is taking an HDR image? Or has Samsung tried to hide the use of HDR mode also while shooting?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
If you are a nexus sales man, you are dealing with the wrong set of people. What *I* like is my concern, and I have more than enough brain to judge what I see. Don't feed me your nonsense BS again. Tolerated enough of your trolling so far. If don't like it, don't buy it. I don't go to nexus forums to tell them what I feel. Don't pollute the environment here. You people are ridiculous.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] peachpuff:
Which part of the 6p non hdr pictures looks in focus to you? All the non hdr shots look pretty bad.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
So you really think that was a fair comparison? I genuinely thought you was a troll because you cropped the most out of focus part of 6P's image. I'm sorry if you did it by accident.

I am in no way denying that the S7's ISO 800 image looks clearly better than the 6P's ISO2279 image.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] samomamo:
Galaxy s7 edge

Nexus 6p
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Well, the cropped image is the most out of focus part of 6P's image. Is someone going to be denying this?

Yes, in these situations S7's non-HDR images look better than 6P's. I am not denying that.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] samomamo:
The galaxy s7 edge its creates colors by itself. Lol. Like it paints the pictures.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
Another non-HDR image.

S7: ISO 1250 Exposure: 1/4 (Thanks to OIS)

6P: ISO 3762 Exposure: 1/15

For S7, a small firmware upgrade to reduce noise reduction would do wonders. The image is itself pretty good in very low light (Exif brightness value of -5.85). Also due to bigger aperture, the sharpness will be less towards the perimeter.

---------- Post added at 02:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:55 AM ----------

This crop is taken from right in the middle of the image. If the camera can't focus where the lens is pointing straight, maybe it has a problem with focusing in low light.

BTW, everyone knows who's the troll here. It's a shame that this whole S7 forum has become a party for trolls.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] fernando sor:
Are you serious? Carry a tripod to get good shots?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
Yeah nowhere has been trolling pretty hard - him and the other 6P fanbois. They won't listen to objective evaluation when it shows unfavorably to the 6P. I thought Pilz was a valid contributor till he admitted to carrying a tripod to shoot the 6P photos. You kidding me? I am sorry but normal human beings do not walk around with a cell phone tripod.

Enough. Just stop with your bull**** chatter about ISOs and EXIFs. We all get what it is, it's not rocket science. Its just that many of us normal people care to evaluate photos by what you actually see on the photo. It's not that hard. Deliberately obfuscating the issue on hand with technical jargon isn't going to make your point.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
Yes I am serious, do I need a tripod to take a good picture no, but it never hurts to see if it makes a difference. I only use it for 1 picture and I also uploaded the same picture without a tripod. I enjoy taking pictures, so its not a big deal for me. I took a ton of pictures today in Pittsburgh that I into nd to upload now that I'm finally home. There will be a panorama comparison as promised and I also took a night shot with the S7E in manual mode for fun that I'll upload as well.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
OP Updated:

-Added in panorama pictures

-City landscape pictures

-S7E Auto/HDR/Manual night test
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] peachpuff:
Looks like samsung thinks tree branches are noise and tries to smooth them out in the landscape pics, the nr definitely needs some work.

Which colors seem more natural to you? Im sensing a bit of a blue theme on the 6p when looking at the buildings. The building to the left of the K&L Gates one has some strange green/blue stripes on it.

How dark was it in that area you were standing in the last set of pics?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Pilz:
The 6P has more natural colors, but the S7E took a better panorama in my opinion. The last set of dark pictures were taken in a really dark area with almost no Street lighting just the park lights
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Cst79:
I am amazed on how many people around here can't seem to be able to properly do a comparison of two sensor-lens combinations.

It's easy, look at how DPReview or even GSMArena does it:

- Enter manual mode or, if possible, P mode

- Disable any kind of HDR or processing trick

- Set the noise reduction to normal/standard or even to low if a phone aggressively adds noise reduction.

- Set the SAME ISO for both phones ! Try to aim for 200 and below for daylight, 400-1600 for low-light shots (ISO is the biggest contributor to noise. You can't compare ISO 1250 with ISO 3762..it's just crazy !) and let the phone choose the aperture and shutter speed

- If a phone outputs much brighter pictures than the other, set the exposure bias to + or - some stops on both phones to match brightness. This should be done such that both sensors benefit (if one of the sensors is better at shadows, decrease exposure for that sensor, if it's better at highlight detail, increase exposure for that sensor).

- Post a set of full-size RAW pictures, and a set of full-size default-processed JPEGs.

- If a picture has a larger resolution, downsample it to the lower resolution of the other phone for the JPEGs, but not for RAWs.

What's so hard about this ?

PS: Colors and brightness do NOT matter (at moderate to low ISOs like 800 and below). These can be easily altered in post-processing to anyone's liking. Each manufactures chooses a color bias, but this has nothing to do with the quality of pictures. Also, brightness is the result of choosing the exposure time, this really does not matter.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Guides, News, & Discussion] Canard caché:
+100 exactly otherwise, all the conversation are vain.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5] sho21gun:
I am looking to get this mod for my phone is any one can help i would appreciate it. Thank you
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5] Chaz187:
We don't have the curved screen so not all options will work!!!!!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5] sho21gun:
I have s6 plus and have moar and i lose some of my edges features. Thats why i am looking for it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5] Chaz187:
Well that probably won't happen on the rom as it was built from the n5..... so no way to test.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5] sho21gun:
I know but if I put true egde it will fix the problem. Thats why i asked if someone have it
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5] joedaddyoo:
True edge dont fix the problem. It was never 100% finished i dont think. I never got edge notifications when i used it. Only the night clock worked
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] ekerbuddyeker:
I played with the s7 and edge today at Best Buy. Wow. Beautiful and you can feel they are an evolution from the Note 5 and s6. I can't wait to see how they take that design and implement it into the Note 6.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] WizeGuyDezignz:
I have a S7 Edge on pre-order... I can't wait!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] double07:
I was at BestBuy today and played with the S7 and S7 Edge for a while. I was not impressed at all. The physical appearance is not much different than the S6. I compared it to my Note 5, and I just don't see significant different in performance. Perhaps, the S7 demo unit is not yet well polished? But, I don't see any reason to upgrade, let just say not worth the upgrade. At least not for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] Venom0642:
Not worth the upgrade from my Note 5, basically the S7 is a copy of Note 5 with just a few improvement, not saying that S7 is not good, i am sure it is, but to upgrade my Note 5, i will wait on Note 6 which will be way better then S7, or if not to impress on the Note 6, then I'll hold on to my Note 5 till next year for the Note 7.

Running On Samsung Galaxy Note 5 N920A Wicked Deadly Venom Theme
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] martinezma99:
I went to Best Buy today too.

What impressed me the most was how much smaller the S7 Edge is compared to my Note 5.

Yes, I know the screen is 0.2 smaller but the form factor and size was really nice.

The screen appeared a tad bit nicer on s7 Edge and definitely brighter.

Regardless not enough to upgrade for me. I'll keep the Note 5 for now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] ekerbuddyeker:
Same. Just looking forward to the note6
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] harlenm:
I was gonna upgrade to the s7 edge, but decided against it after playing with an s6 edge plus. I just don't like the curved screen, distorts 1/4 inch on each side of the screen, and make it really hard to view things.

Neat design, but too annoying for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] ekerbuddyeker:
I agree. I reckon Samsung should create a zoom buttton, like Netflix has, that goes from full screen to just the 'flat' area. It would still look pretty good.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] Venom0642:
Well for any T-Mobile or Sprint on the S7 or S7 Edge, they finally locked there bootloaders, tightly locked down, no more root for those phone as well there fun in rooting are over, i knew this was gonna happen sooner or later, so now they are in the same boat as AT&T and Verizon is.

Running On Samsung Galaxy Note 5 N920A Wicked Deadly Venom Theme
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] anl2304:
T mobile too? Say it isn't so. Unlike you, I never thought T-mobile would go that route. Sad.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] Venom0642:
Yeah lots in T-Mobile Forum for S7 and S7 Edge are very pisted, Like i always said nothing lasts for long was a matter of time for it to happen to T-Mobile and Sprint.

Running On Samsung Galaxy Note 5 N920A Wicked Deadly Venom Theme
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] FtaWolf:
They draw line in sand on play ground.

Sent from my Note 5 running Deadly Venom & Blue/Black Tapatalk.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] malickie:
My guess on the T-Mobile thing is that it is possible that Samsung Forced their hand. Samsung seems to be trying to take the route of better security screw the dev. community. Kinda disappointing really.

The only real difference I can see that the S7 phones add is adding back the ability to use external storage.

Looks like I will be looking for a different phone manufacturer next go round that isn't completely locked down and doesn't suck. Very disappointing though considering I like the Note series.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] sndtubes:
No stylus, no want
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] tonybahr:
I always felt that skipping a generation on Sammy devices is always a better payoff if you can wait. S7 in silver is awful pretty though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] MrBaltazar:
I have the S7 on Verizon and the Note 5 on AT&T. Nearly no difference besides MM and the always on time/date display. Cameras both are good. S7 a tad better in low light. Note 5 better color reproduction. MicroSD is preference just like the S pen. My note 5 is 64gb so not incredibly important to me. S7 Is more comfortable to hold since it's smaller. Still prefer the larger screen on my note 5.

My verdict is they're nearly the same phone in terms of agility. S7 is what the S6 should have been. Note 5 is still more professional in my book. Just depends on what your use cases are. I use remote desktop from MS and chrome remote desktop daily and the larger screen and S pen make all the difference. I do like the slightly curved glass edges on the display of the S7, which is the single thing I wish the Note 5 did have. I can tell you that you will miss your Note 5 within an hour of using the S7 Due to the smaller screen.

The Edge series is pure gimmick and a complete rip off in terms of pricing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] JeSTeRH4CK3D:
I couldn't decide so I got both. Damn you AT&T!!!!!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] kahleeb:
What are you thinking about getting? I am torn between going back to an iPhone or finding an Android phone that can have bloatware removed and gets updates fast. It seems like you have to compromise on anything you do with Android when you get a carrier branded device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] JeSTeRH4CK3D:
Debloater works pretty good if you ask me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note5] kahleeb:
That may be true on getting rid of bloatware but then you have to deal with AT&T, or another carrier, and Samsung, or another manufacturer, on getting updates for your device.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] ekerbuddyeker:
I just did. Absolutely beautiful devices. Better in the flesh than the reviews show. I think they are onto a real winner.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] markwebb:
I agree. A buddy of mine still has his s4 and after playing with this one hands down ordered to replace it. I also did.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] Kilroy672:
Does all the Best Buy's have demos or just a few of them? Hate to drive up there tomorrow after a mild snow storm tonight and tomorrow just to find out my local store doesn't have any demos in yet.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] ibcenu:
Call ahead. All are supposed to as they advertised it. But some may have missed to boat
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] Maknora:
I did as well. I have the 6 edge plus. then I held the 7 edge. sold. pre ordered. hands down the most amazing phone out there in the Galaxy.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] mwatson:
Hands down that hands down is by far the most used phrase on XDA by far hands down!
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] kurplop:
I have to hand it too you, the truth has been spoken.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] jayochs:
i went yesterday to check them out...damn they're nice! don't think they're the snap820 versions though, which sucks. hopefully performance is the same..but that camera is SO fast. i pre-ordered when i got home lol
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] misterzeno:
Ha-ha did it replace "blow it out of the water"? Cause that was annoying.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Questions and Answers] Wildo6882:
Hands down I swore that the most used phrase was "can't go wrong."

Maybe I was mistaken.

<puts hands down>
[YU Yureka Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hemanthaar:
Hi

My yureka is working by itself like being accessed from remote. It is very very strange. Also i tried factory reseting the phone. Still it does not help. Funny part is even cyanogen recovery is also working by itself.

Attached the link of video of it in you tube. Please help!!!

Couldnt share link here. So please search as below in google. first link will be mine.

yureka working on it own + youtube

yureka in recovery mode + youtube

Regards

Hemanth
[YU Yureka Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hemanthaar:
[HELP]Yureka working by itself

Can somebody help me on this... i am really struggling with my phone.