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[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h20,

I honestly don't know. 360 MIGHT actually work just as well w/o paying the $1.95. But since I don't know that for sure I don't want to say it then find out I'm wrong. lol

Yeah but I mean, both SM and 360 only work when the screen is off right? I don't know if new SM is any different, but that's how old SM was.

I forgot to mention too with SM on my Z3.............even after disabling it, I was still having the same issues occur, at least the MMS one. So it took a FACTORY RESET (which I DON'T enjoy doing lol) to actually get rid of its effect on my Z3. Also when I had SM before I noticed my MMS messages took like 20-30 seconds to send out. After getting rid of it completely for 360, I noticed they'd go out in like 5-7 seconds. Once you have experiences THAT bad like I did, it's really hard to forgive. lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
I had no problem with Stamina on my Z3 or Z5 until 6.0.0 upgrade when it was removed. With Stamina you choose which apps you want to come through when Stamina is on.

Blocking synchronization and emails is important as that is what consumes battery, and the $1.95 app next level step up doesn't do anything, it's vaporware.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Well you were lucky then. lol Yeah I would choose the apps to "whitelist" too but that clearly didn't always work for me, or else I wouldn't have had those issues with MMS messages never showing up.

Ok well if that's really true, then I guess people can still get 360 if they want but not upgrade. I use that Google Opinion Rewards app, which gives you surveys that pays in the form of Google Play Store credits, and I get a lot of surveys from it. So when I upgraded to the full version of 360, I didn't ACTUALLY pay from my own pocket. lol So to me it didn't matter. But again, even if it doesn't block them, I'm still getting fantastic results from it, so to me it doesn't matter.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] r6g457:
Do you guys feel any vibration from the back of the phone when using speakers?
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] augie7107:
Yes, some. I think that is expected when volume is maxed out.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
The 6.0.1 update that I got on my Z5, which I presume is the same as 6.0.1 on your Xperformance has Google battery saving features. With no 360 and Stamina off, WiFi is turned off 15 min after screen goes off.

Battery temperature and % drop is also lower.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Yeah, I read that Sony Mobile brought SM back recently to the newer Xperia phones after removing it I think it was last year? As long as it's stable then I guess that's cool. With my bad experiences that I had while using it on my old Z3 it's hard for me to trust it again.

Let me ask you, when you turn the screen back on some time later, does the Wi-Fi always come back on too 100% of the time? I'm noticing with 360 that maybe 25% of the time after turning the screen back on that it randomly will "forget" to re-activate the Wi-Fi, so I have to do it manually. Let me know please.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
360 did randomly forget to turn WiFi back on. But it did turn off WiFi Immediately when screen went off. That is the only feature that I was able to prove that worked on 360.

I think you will be surprised at the 6.0.1 Google battery saver. Disable both 360 and Stamina and you will see the best battery saving and background hibernation.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
I dunno about "best", because to me, standby battery time is important too. If I don't use my phone for hours (which can happen when I go out and am socializing with people), it's nice to me when I do turn my screen on that it's at the same percentage as when I'd turned it off.

So wait, are you even using SM at all? lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] r6g457:
Mine will vibrate even when minimum volume...
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
There is supposed to be a sealant type adhesive between the back panel and the phone innards, usually the battery. Sounds like some is missing. That would drive me crazy, exchange the phone.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h20,

So are you actually using SM now or no? Wasn't clear on that.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
OK.... Yes I am using SM, but only below 35%. You have no settings, it's on or off and it works very good, just I don't want everything it suppresses turned off. Google battery management works fantastic. Don't need 360 or Greenify or any of that other crap. You have 6.0.1 on your Xperformance so you are good your go.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

Ok that's cool. So they removed the option to choose what to suppress eh? I noticed that HTC did that too on the last couple flagship phones as well. The M8 let you choose what you want, but I saw on the M9 and 10 that it "all or none". Don't really like that either.

Is Google battery mgt an app or are you just referring to the current Android battery saving features?

Yeah but I want the BEST battery saving app/options!! lol

I went out to a baseball game yesterday. Was like 86 but was under the sun like the whole time. Phone got pretty hot too. Since yest even when I have 360 on I'm noticing a slow but steady battery drop. U think my phone went bad or should I wait longer to say that? lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
I'm referring to the android battery saver. My Z5 will get hot sitting in the sun, but the battery temperature is way down after upgrading to 6.0.1 I think 1 to 1.5% battery drop per hour when sleeping is normal. I'm sure you haven't seen zero drop while sleeping since you got the Xperformance.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
I have, but only with 360. lol At least for overnight battery measuring anyway.

I may just do another factory reset with XC again but this time I will make extra sure I'm not restoring any backups during set up. Thanks.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
Forget battery saving apps. Most of them.are worthless and some consume more battery than they save.

Go into apps in settings and look at battery consumption per app. You will see that 360 doesn't use any battery because it doesn't do anything. That's why Marshmallow is great, you can see battery used by app and system. Allows you to find the battery hogs.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

You keep saying that 360 doesn't do anything, yet I told you I do see a difference with it. So I dunno...........
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
I measured and tracked what 360 doesn't do and reported my findings. End of story.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] sxtester:
All (Sony) phones I ever had (quite some!) did vibrate a bit by sound, if ever so slightly. Actually, I would give the phone back if it wouldn't as that's the way to "feel" when the call connects and it's time to hold it against your ear. ;)
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
RockStar2005.... The screenshot you posted clearly shows about 3 to 4% battery drop between 3 am and 8:30 am. You confirmed the screen was off. And yet you keep on telling us there is zero drop while phone is on long sleep.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

I'm sending my XP back to the seller because it is clearly defective, so right now I don't know what happened. There were a couple nights I purposely left 360 off too, so that's another thing. The phone restarted itself TWICE over the weekend, and after yet another factory reset, I notice now that the screen doesn't even turn off during regular phone calls when pressed against my ear, which of course means the side of my face is activating random things like bluetooth, etc. So maybe I will try again with the new XP, but I mean, I'm not the only one on here who's had good results from 360. The only thing is with the XP, it seems that it doesn't always turn the Wi-Fi back on after the screen is turned on. This is a minor issue, but still.........I MAY just consider leaving it off with the XP. We'll see. If I'm going out for many hours like I did on Saturday, I could always reinstall it since I won't be using Wi-Fi then anyway, if needed.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
Hope you have better luck on the replacement. I preordered the Xperformance, but I'm still undecided. The MM 6.0.1 system update definately included Sony improvements along with the Android Marshmallow upgrade. It has totally changed my Z5 to a much better phone. Really happy now. I now see what a f*** up 6.0.0 was on the Z5
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

Thanks! Me too. lol

The 2 main reasons to me that make the XP worth upgrading to if you have the Z5 are the screen and camera improvements. I'm purely basing that viewpoint off from this video though (I have posted it on here before too).

To me, it's nice having a Sony phone that can actually outdo the latest Samsung phone in the camera dept (finally!). My Z3 came close but only in Manual mode. The XP's Superior Auto camera (set to 20 MPs as I prefer 16:9) takes ridiculously perfect photos. Versus the HTC 10, it has more detail, and versus the S7, it's more color accurate and not overly saturated like the S7's pics are, making the objects look more fake and actually more difficult to make out. To me, right now, this IS the perfect phone. The Z3 did have better battery life, but it also had a bigger battery. Still, 2700 mAh is nothing to sneeze at. It's very fast (faster than S7's which has 4GBs of RAM, but also TouchWiz which is super laggy), looks gorgeous with the sweet backside, nice screen (ok wish it was as bright as Z3, but it's still better than Z5's and clearer than S7's), great stereo speakers on the front (where they f'ing belong! lol), doesn't skip while playing music using MicroUSB port to headphones like S7 CONSTANTLY did, etc. And no lame physical home button either. I don't miss that at all. lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
The z5 took better pictures than Samsung as well hence why it was rated the best camera in a smartphone. That wasn't just marketing terms for Sony. You can argue software or rare situational instances where Samsung might of got a better picture but that's with everything especially the user.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
I'd heard mixed reviews on it. I think someone told me on here that it was as good as the Note 5 but not better. But ok the XP's camera is even better it seems. Same sensor, but I'd read somewhere the XP's camera has more advanced "software algorithms". Plus it has the Predictive Hybrid Autofocus which is pretty cool too.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] doministry:
Look here:

http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...e-6s-vs-galaxy-s7-vs-oneplus-3-camera-review/
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
That's funny dom........... someone on gsmarena mentioned this Shaker guy and I asked for his link and you just gave it to me here. Thanks!
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
Hey Rockstar

I gave up on getting a Xperformance. After playing with a couple of display phones, and seeing that about 70% of reviews were crappy , along with vibrating tinny back, i decided it wasn't worth the downgrade from my Z5 on 6.0.1.

My carrier, Rogers had a promo on the S7, which I was able to try out. So far it's giving me everything I'm looking for. Unbelievable bright screen in sunlight, waterproof, (ran it under the tap and under water for a couple of minutes) lower battery temperature, longer battery life, 6.5 hrs SOT average, strong signal reception, better screen response for typing. Only downside is camera is not better than the Z5.

I can't believe all my anti Samsung attitude is going down the toilet, and I'm going to sell my Z5

After a long boating weekend , using the S7 in bright sunlight as a chart plotter, making phone calls in poor signal areas, taking pictures on auto mode and getting the S7 wet in the bottom of the dingy, it's a keeper.

Hope you have better luck on your replacement Xperformance.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
With Always On activated battery drop is 11% over 8 hrs, which is 1.5 % per hour. Don't need 360 hibernate as the S7 battery management is real good. I hope you didn't sell your S7 because you say 360 wouldn't work on it, the S7 didn't need it.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

That's cool. You gotta buy what makes u happy. And everyone has their preferences.

My replacement XP has been fantastic! VERY happy with it!

The reviews on the XP have been kinda BS though. I've become aware that like the majority of the reviews on the XP's camera were done by idiots. The XP's default resolution is 8 MPs, and so these dimwits were basing their reviews on THAT resolution! Stupid F, you need to change the resolution to 23 or 20 MPs. They were zooming at 200% and were like "Oh, lots of noise". Unreal that these ppl even have jobs.

The vibrating back........ I dunno, that honestly doesn't bother me at all. It's so weak that I barely feel it. I probably wouldn't have noticed it if wasn't for ppl mentioning it on here. Despite not having 4G LTE during calls, the XP still sounds better to me during calls than the S7 did with all that. Calls always sounded tinny to me on the S7, but on the XP they don't.

I don't think the screen was any brighter on the S7. In fact, b/c the colors were more accurate and natural looking on the XP's pics and its screen, I felt it was actually easier to make out objects on it than my now former S7. I might agree on the screen response comment, but like the vibrating back thing, it was too minor of an issue for me to care. And the longer I have it, the better I've become at controlling it. Also, the issue I had with the S7 skipping all the time while I was playing music (via MicroUSB port to headphones)......I listened to my XP using same setup the other night....... over a 3+ hour listening session, it did not skip once. The S7 would skip like every 3-5 min. Used to drive me crazy. But 3.5mm port listening was ok. When I'm at home though I use the MicroUSB port cuz I need a digital connection cuz I use an in-between portable amp/DAC to connect my smartphone to my AKG headphones. Makes a sizable difference in sound quality. So it's nice to finally have things back to normal there.

Yeah the water-resistance is great on both phones. I like having the fingerprint sensor on the side instead of in front. Plus I use that Smart Lock feature......the facial recognition one. Comes in handy like when I'm driving and have phone on car mount..........don't have to hit power button, just look at front camera and I'm in.

I dunno what happened with 360.......... on my original defective phone, I tested it over a few nights and it was working. But on new phone, it doesn't. So I uninstalled it. If I had Z5 or Z3, or even Z1s (which I got for both my parents last year), I'd keep it. But doesn't seem to do what it did before. Oh well. I think overnight though I'm only losing like 3-4%, but I'll check again tonight. Haha no, me selling my S7 had very little to do with 360. lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
I'm glad the replacement worked out good for you. You are correct that we have to pick the features that are important to us .

I considered both Xperformance and S7 in the same ballpark for the features I wanted. My carrier had a promo that ended June 30 that allowed you to trade in any old working phone (including flip phones) for a $200 credit. Switched from no contract to 2 yr contract and got the S7 for $0 and stayed on same price plan. That was the deciding factor. Enjoy your phone.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Thanks h2o!

Nice on the deal! So you got a $200 credit PLUS the S7 for free? So each month you're paying same amount as before for old phone?
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
$200credit offset the $199 cost for S7 on 2 yr contract.

I paid zero, pay the same price plan and moved from month to month to 2yr contract.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Ok. I guess as long as your bill doesn't go up that's good.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
Rogers, the carrier that I'm on is the only one that gives me the signal coverage I need. If I start to lose signal in a poor coverage area, it switches to roaming on competitive towers for free. Fantastic feature!! I was on a month to month plan with my Z5 and have no plans to switch carriers.

So taking advantage of the S7 promo and changing to 2 yr contract was a no brainer, plan price stays the same after the 2 yr contract is over.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Nice!

Sounds like you got all your bases covered my friend! Enjoy the new phone and coverage!!

Free roaming? lol For real??

Ok I was just trying to make sure they weren't doing what I've known contract-based carriers to do in the past (and maybe some still now?).......... which is give u the phone for a subsidized price but then after 2 years if you still keep phone they keep charging you the same price. It doesn't sound like Rogers is doing that so ok cool. :good: :cool:
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
Canadian carriers do the same thing. When I ported my phone to Rogers from Bell I went on a $10 monthly discount for having my own phone. They get nervous when you are not on contract. They wanted to remove the $10 discount for a subsidized S7. I said not interested, and then I get a call from Loyalty dept. saying no problem you can stay at your BYOD plan price.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

Nice! WELL played son. lol

Yeah I was putting up with all that contract BS with Verizon until about 2 1/2 years ago I got tired of paying such a high bill and getting less. So went to T-Mobile and by then their service had improved a lot in my area (Chicago suburbs), and it just keeps getting better and better. In 3-6 mos my area will FINALLY get Band 12/700 MHz, which means better reception when indoors, at least for data. I'm still trying to figure out if I will get 4G from that Band for calls too. T-Mobile's Tech Support rep told me I would. Won't be 4G LTE b/c no VoLTE on even int'l XPs in the US it seems, but if 4G I'm still happy. But even if in future I get another phone it'll be good to know it's there.

But yeah, since joining them they give you SO many great deals...... unlimited texting and calls, more data etc that Verizon ever gave me. They even tried calling me a few mos later to win me back, but their offer was weak compared to what I had with T-Mo, so I passed. lol I even got a $200 router FOR FREE from T-Mo. Thing is a BEAST! lol I love T-Mo to death. In some areas their coverage isn't the best, but when Band 12 comes out they said it's gonna reach like as far away as like southern WI so I'm sure that will make a big difference. Plus yeah like free int'l calls, unlimited streaming of like all the big music streaming apps (name it and they prob are on the list lol), etc. All the stuff you hear about in the news about the other 3 big carriers making all these deals, cutting out contracts, giving you data rollover, etc............ppl can thank T-Mo (and their renegade CEO John Legere lol) for that. They realized they can't just keep ripping ppl off and keep customers.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
Son ?? WW2 was still in play when I got here lol....dinosaur poo was still around.

Enjoy your phone....I've got to take back all the nasty things I've been saying about Sammy.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
You should of kept the z5 as its a better phone than the s7. Build quality and all, the xperia performance is just as good in a different direction.

But to so quickly switch from the z5 you must be upgrading a phone almost twice a year. I like to keep my phones for 2 to 3 years. This xp was worth it for the 820 and camera upgrade over the z5. Z5 wins for me in build I prefer glass, and that it has small apps and 4k recording which I use rarely anyway.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Haha........ok then SIRRR!! These days you can say "son" for someone older too............ I guess depending on how you say it, it can be kind of a "gangsta" thing too. lol

You too h2o.

I'll only take back some of them. LOL
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] h2oflyer:
The Z5 did not have the signal reception quality that I needed which is one of the improvements that Sony has made with the X series .

I took both the Z5 and the trial S7 on our boating trip and compared them side by side on all functions. Switched SIM card between phones for phone calls and data.

The ONLY area where the Z5 did better was the camera for crisper shots in bright sunlight. The S7 did better for everything else.....when run side by side as chart plotters the Z5 was much dimmer and got real hot (60c) where as the S7 never got hotter than 40c. Battery went down 45% in one hour on the Z5 where as only dropped 20% in same time on the S7. Probably because of the 810 chip.

Signal strength, typing and voice input, auto brightness and on and on, everything was better on the S7. That was the perfect way to compare the two phones for me. I NEVER EVER thought I would be using a Samsung phone again, but here I am.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
h2o,

Well I'm glad they did that then regarding signal quality.

Yeah I knew from that Z5 vs. X video I posted on here a bunch of times that X/XP would def be brighter and more color accurate too than Z5.

Yeah 810 kinda sucked, esp the 1st version. I thought Z5 had 2nd (much improved) version but never knew for sure. Sounds like it did have 1st.

Yeah lol. I only gave them a chance b/c I thought Sony was DONE with flagship phones. And S7 looked really nice (I bought S7 Edge first but too big so got S7).....was happy they'd finally since S6 went the metal/glass body route. I had an app that made the home button on the S7 a virtual button, so I thought that was enough. But then after buying it I found that app only worked 60-70% of the time, which was unacceptable. And then shortly after then I actually took a look at the XP specs............and so it began. lol

I mean, they're both great phones, despite what either of us say. It's just that the XP is more what I want or like in a phone, and S7 is the same for you.

I actually am going up to Wayland, Michigan for a weekend in early August for a friend of a friend's/co-worker's bachelor party (again I'm in Chicago suburbs). I guess there's gonna be a lot of boating & pontooning, gambling, and what may have you. lol So I'm lookin' forward to that cuz haven't done much of that. Also, next week my family is taking my dad to downtown Chicago to Navy Pier for some 75-min "architectural" boat cruise deal I found for him (he's about your age). I just realized, for a guy who doesn't boat much, I'm gonna be doing A LOT in the next month! lol