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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] EQ2000:
Though Galaxy S5, S6/Note 5 and S7 and possibly more Samsung phones also does similar multi-frame composition for night scene mode. On S5 you have to turn it on manually in manual and might go on automatically in auto mode. For S6 it is automatically enabled and looking at some S7 photos it seems it is the same there to. Might explain the blur in low light shots as for it to work optimally both samples (might even be 3 or 4) have to be taken with minimal movement so that the software can combine them and if needed cut some edges that fail (resolution will vary).
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
Precisely. I like how the 6P fanbois have disappeared after you and I posted a fairly obvious analysis of the 6P photos.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gtg465x:
As far as I know the S6 and S7 do not do multi-shot compositions automatically in low light à la HDR+. This can be confirmed by taking a shot in auto mode and then one in manual mode with the same shutter speed and ISO. They will look the same.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Thank you for the information.

Yes, you are correct that 6P has used HDR technique in that compact camera shot. I did find mention of HDR burried in the embedded Exif file, as i looked more closely. That might explain the drastic difference we see in this comparison. I stand corrected.

In the previous page on this thread, gekkehenkie11 suspected that even Samsung's shot is basically HDR, or at least stitched together from multiple exposures. I do not find any mention of HDR in Samsung's Exif file, but i will to look into this more closely.

I was under the impression that 6P uses HDR only at higher than ISO 1000+ sensitivities. I was clearly wrong. It's very deceiving that the embedded Exif information shows normal exposure values. Quite immoral practice by Google.

In your example images of your shoes, the non-HDR+ shot is clearly sharper, but it most likely can be explained by camera shake. Otherwise the HDR+ shot is of course far superior. Your shot do not have Exif information. Can you give me the shutter speed on these shots? I want to figure out if the Exif exposure values can be trusted at all on HDR+ shots.

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Do you have any idea if we can see information about the multi-exposure in Samsung's Exif files? I can't see it. As i said, i just found out that on 6P's Exif file this is information is available. I just hadn't seen it before.

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Yours and peachpuff's "analysis" was either trolling or pure ignorance. Either way, i don't see a reason to respond.

If you want to understand what is going on, you are free to ask questions. I will answer them. Otherwise i'm just going to ignore you from now on.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
You are quite predictable, as far as trolls go. "I don't have to answer" is synonymous with "I don't have an answer and going to pretend to be superior" I am all for learning, but not from internet tough guys who know less than I do about the subject in question.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gtg465x:
Yeah, you can't really trust the Exif information from Nexus HDR+ shots. I don't like it either. The easiest way to tell the difference between an HDR+ shot and a normal shot is the HDR+ shots will be slightly lower resolution (like 4000x2992 vs the normal 4032x3024).

I do remember shaking more on the HDR+ shot, so I think you're right about that. Shutter speed on the normal shot is 1/15 and the HDR+ shot says 1/10, but I don't really believe it as it should be taking several shots with higher ISO and faster shutter speed than the normal shot and combining them. Maybe the total of the multiple shots is 1/10, like 3 1/30s shots combined or something?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Andybaby:
Does the S7 have the HDR+ features a la the 6P (or any third party camera apps)?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
Yes, S7 has similar multi-exposure mode on by default in auto mode. As i said, Google's practice of trying to hide this mode is deceitful and immoral. However, Samsung's practice seems to be even worse. At least the mention of HDR mode is buried in the Exif file on Google's phones. On Samsung's phones, there is no where to tell whether an image has multiple exposures. Or at least i haven't yet found a way to tell the difference.

On the first post of this thread, there are example shots taken with S7 and 6P:

http://xdaforums.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-s7e-vs-nexus-6p-camera-test-t3322383

At the bottom of the first post, there are comparison shots which are taken with and without HDR(+) mode on. At the last pages of the thread i have asked more specific question about these multi-exposure modes.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] nightf0x:
How long does it take to take and hdr+ shot on 6p and hdr on s7?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] N0whereMan:
That's a good question. I believe on 6P its quite obvious as processing of the HDR+ image takes so long.

I will ask this question from someone who actually has both phones here:

http://xdaforums.com/s7-e...-test-t3322383
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] msavic6:
The S6 and S7 take instantaneous HDR shots because they aren't remotely the same as Google's HDR+. Frankly HDR+ is misleading on Google's part and should be called "Auto Enhance" instead.

HDR should be used to bring out the detail in dark spots and highlights, hence the name HDR "high dynamic range", it is not used to enhance lowlight photos or to smooth out noise like Google's HDR+ is designed for.

It's misleading and not true when people compare HDR and HDR+ without an understanding of the differences between the two.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] fosormic:
Couple of RAW shots

Has anyone opened a thread for camera comparison only? If so, let me know to move the post.

Just took these two picts. Used the app Lollipop RAW Camera. The images can be downloaded from the link below. I also rendered them both using a couple of different alternatives:

Photoshop Express for Android

a simple Windows 8/10 app called Fotor

Interesting notes:

I had to try real hard to make the Samsung focus. On the second picture in fact it was next to impossible. The nexus focused real fast.

The Samsung saved the images almost immediately, about 0.5 sec, while the Nexus took up to 5 secs saving the image. Internal memory.

Photoshop Express failed to include the EXIF information for one picture, but Fotor did include the EXIF for all four.

I trust more Fotor's renderings, simply because I'm sure no enhancing is taking place.

I kind of prefer the Nexus' pictures particularly after Photoshop has dealt with them; I think there are more details to the colors (more range maybe), even if slightly under-exposured. It is all subjective though.

RAW Files: http://1drv.ms/1QE3ikg

These are the four images, as rendered by Photoshop

[IMG="Sample renderings"]https://bautja-ch3301.files.1drv.com/y3m0vHYUsH77iwr42__wtPrYuvy6YQWWtdhBShrVvr7enDwMMPzF9N-uK2qnsB_A5Phku1tMduomCZQv3uXP1GX2h9-dIGLeRzLeX6uiUBVzaEw1XSWRq_esoau-Y7PBc7bvwvI4cmU85UqakdpQJci4CXabIHHDcvV_59lWCjJNRY/Mosaic%20small.jpg?psid=1[/IMG]

This is the EXIF data and thumbnails as rendered by Fotor

[IMG="EXIF Data"]https://bautja-ch3302.files.1drv.com/y3m5Rxb99DR2Up2IlHJ20nngLa7WKrHnJfIUmBrXxrGDEXPOi9AiLXgV_vTivIddKiq0s6hoRVSEgPnAd6XRpdwYXjAAtlvl0iUibRDY-oGfEKEF4DkTwn_UJzds1RhNi18UYt8Dt86ZwbqrskNHN6yHEwho41i_FWT52cN2yQDKGI/EXIFs.jpg?psid=1[/IMG]
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Derpling:
Yep 6p wins easily this one
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] fazmon:
even 6p has no ois. the photo taken from nexus 6p has more detail by the look of it.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Canard caché:
Finally (when u use lightroom), it's really really the same... better colors on the s7. But a really slightly little bit (one or 2 px) more details on 6p.

The second photo with no focus is IMPOSSIBLE to compare.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] the Doctor:
Great review, OP. I can't believe nobody's given this thread a 5-star rating yet. Let me be the first :good:
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] mujj:
Why has this become a camera comparison thread :S

Thanks for the review OP. I'm still stuck deciding between the s7 and s7e. I want that smaller form factor after becoming tired of the big rigid edges of my Xperia Z2, but so badly want that extra 600mah.

Have you tried the edge in store compared to your S7? If so what did you think?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] IIEtCII:
Since you own both phones, if you'd have to choose one ; what will be your choice?

Here they both have the same price "64GB Nexus 6P"
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] bignazpwns:
For the smoothness i have to say the S7E only lasted about 3 hours before i put it on craigslist. Felt great in the hand and the display is great but after using my 6P the S7E did not feel as smooth. Also cant get use to the fingerprint reader on the S7E wish it was on the back.

Its a great phone but soooo locked down. Keeping it means i would be adding on another $25 a month for the tether. And after messing around with it the phone not being as smooth as my 6p really got to me. No its not fair im running pure nexus on my 6p but being locked to verzion and knowing the odds are the phone will never see root or a bootloader unlock it seems about as good as it get. I like a fast smooth phone.I swipe i wat to be there and i want it smooth.

I could go back to micro usb. i would prefer not to but i could. I could get use to the fingerprint sensor again i was on my S6E. But touchwiz is what made me sell it. Its not not as smooth from what i seen. Its good just not like my 6P and i wont take anything less after having it and its being a Samsung device on Verizon i know that i will never get the software experience i want on it. I dont like plain android. I like the tweaks and i like it smooth. Im not going to BS because i dropped over $700 on it. Im just happy i got the gear S2 and i was able to sell both the watch and phone and make my money back.

Specs were nailed. The phones construction was nailed in the S7E. "Wish they would get rid of the glass black use like a kevlar or carbonfiber.? and touchwiz has come a long way but the software is still just not there in terms of being as smooth as i want. And im not a fanboy just this year i went from a S6E to a turbo 2 to a 6p and this is my second nexus the first being a galaxy nexus. So far the 6p is the only phone that gives me everything i want. Maybe the M10 will win me over ill preorder that and try it out but from swithing phones so often i have a list of what i want in a phone.

But like i said. S7E specs are great. construction for the fit and finish is amazing like night and day when compared to the 6p. The phone feels more significant in the hand then the 6p. When you hold the S7E you know you are holding a highend phone. I messed with it for a few hours and in that time i never thought "yes this is my new phone" IT was yeah its a nice phone but its not that smooth and i think i just wasted over $700. But its not a fair compassion because my 6p runs a custom rom. But being on Verizon and it being a Samsung phone i know for a fact there will never be a non touchwiz based rom for it. So it will never be as smooth as i want it. Maybe if i had t mobile since they usualy get root and unlocked bootloaders i would of kept it. But i have unlimited data with verzion and i live in a area with xlte and i get around 115Mbs down so im not about to lose my unlimited data and go with a slower provider as i use my phone as my main internet connection and use around 400+gigs a months.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] dwang:
I got the tmobile sd820 version last thursday and I've been playing with it non stop since then. I've had a nexus 6p since November and I've been a diehard nexus fan since the nexus one. I was interested in the s7e mainly for its small size (relative to its screen) and the large battery.

In terms of size, the s7e is amazing, it feels so much smaller than the n6p, yet you have almost the same amount of screen real estate (I changed the dpi to be the same as the n6p via adb).

In terms of battery, I was able to get around 6 hours of SOT. Its pretty decent, but not great. Its not a huge upgrade over what I was getting with the n6p (~ 5.5 hours of SOT). I was expecting at least 7 hours, so its been a disappointment. It could get better over time, especially if samsung fixes the high android system battery issues.

One of my biggest worries was performance. You always hear about touchwiz lag, but I"m happy to say that the performance of the s7e has been fantastic. Its just as fast and smooth as my n6p. The only lag that I see is with chrome, but the n6p also lags with chrome as well.

Touchwiz does have a lot more features than stock android, but I've found that I haven't used many of those features and with android N coming in the summer, the feature gap is going to be narrowed.

The microsd card and waterproof wasn't a big deal for me so that didn't factor into my buying decision.

So in summary, if you already own a n6p, the s7e isn't a huge upgrade and I would advise against it, unless you really value the size, microsd, or waterproofing. In terms of performance and battery, they are both really great.

If you are deciding between a n6p or s7e, then its a toss up. They are both excellent phones and you can't go wrong with either.

The n6p is cheaper and android N is coming in the summer.

The s7e has a great build, awesome size, touchwiz features, and has a few other hw features (microsd, waterproofing, wireless charging ) that the n6p doesn't have.

At this point, I'm leaning toward returning the s7 edge. Its a fantastic phone, but its not enough of an upgrade from the n6p to justify the $800 price tag.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] thdaddy34:
How does the Front Facing camera of the S7 or S7E compare to the 6P Front Facing Camera?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] jayochs:
the ffc sucks. there's threads on it here and on reddit. problem with the focus point. makes you really blurry while whatever is in the background is sharp. needs a software update definitely.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
So we have one guy now claiming that everything runs much smoother on the 6p and one guy who says there's no difference. Who to believe ? :)

Both agree that it's not a recommendable upgrade anyway, which I kinda figured. Probably will stick with my 6p till the new Nexus comes out.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Anna87:
Thank You, very interesting comparison. But in my opinion the S7 is really like a S6s, not worth an upgrade, only if you have S5 or lower. Many tiny improvements, but all in all no big deal.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
No 1-year upgrades will be huge revolution. How can you expect that? It's not like Samsung or other companies have magicians, right? Unless you have lot of cash, doesn't make sense to upgrade every year. Not just case of S7, but for any phone in last couple of years.

S8 won't be huge upgrade over S7 as well, but those coming from S6 will find it much better value to upgrade to S8. It's just simple relaity.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Anna87:
Sure, I agree. But in my opinion the S6-S7 difference is the smallest of all Galaxy Generations.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] dagrim1:
Dunno about that, but for me improved battery, sdcard, water resistance, improved design (really like the feel of the S7 more) and improved low-light camera would be (and is) a proper improvement...

Sure, if you're on a tight budget it's a different matter but it is an upgrade in my opinion.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] cc999:
6P

I have to say with the latest 6.01 update to the Nexus 6P the phone is just about perfect. (just released 191)

Battery life is incredible. (ex full charge 11 pm at 7 am 99% at 5:30 PM 86%)

The pictures from this camera are fantastic. Crystal clear and the bluetooth bugs are all fixed.

One of the biggest things to consider are the updates your phone will receive. Samsung always

sucked and this will not change. I have an option right now to load Android N if I choose.

Every month there is an update. You watch how many updates you get with the S7. Hell with the 6P

one command and you are rooted and ready to load any developer ROM if you chose to do so.

There is no excuse for Samsung to release a flagship phone and have Android system battery drain like is evident

in the S7 and also the S7 edge. How do they release it with this bug? That alone would make me wonder.

As always great hardware and terrible software support. Thats Samsung's MO for years now. Very few updates, and

a locked down bootloader prohibits you from any developer roms. Not getting sucked into the S7 vortex this year

I am completely happy with my 6P. There is nothing the S7 can do that my 6P cannot but that cannot be said the other way around.

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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
So you come over to S7 forum to tell us how great 6P is??

And nexus 4 also can do everything S7 can do - it can make calls, take pics, record a video, play angry bird and browse facebook and have a **** load of unstable useless ROMs. I think I would get a nexus 4 instead of S7.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
Google's brand image is being let down by all these nut job fanbois that troll other phones' forums. If you love your 6P that much, that's great. Stay on the nexus forum, leave us alone. Geezuz.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] cc999:
Forum Title

Did you read the forum title? Thats the only reason why I posted.

People should be aware when spending 700-800 dollars on a cell phone to make

an educated decision.

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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] i9100g user:
S7 mostly has superior hardware and most drawbacks of touchwiz can be removed by a custom rom and kernel or even a launcher.

If it's factory unlocked S7 vs nexus 6p then S7.

A locked bootloader on S7 and I would go for 6P.

Sent from N preview
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
Thread title says "Quick review of my Galaxy S7 vs. my Nexus 6P"

Thread title doesn't says "Trolling dump for 6P fanboys"

What makes you think that people here are not smart enough to make their own decision?
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Check the 6p forum and you'll see "all these nut job fanbois that troll other phones' forums" too. It's quite normal I think for people who own one phone to check out the forum for a newly released phone. I myself wondered if the S7 would be a worthwhile upgrade from the 6p, I usually get bored with any phone after a few months so I'm always on the lookout for something new. But everybody here who had both the s7 and the 6p says it's not a worthy upgrade so I'll just stay with my 6p.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Krojack:
I've gone though my fare share of Samsung phones and tables and LOVE their hardware. It's their software and horrendously slow updates (and lack of when a new model comes out) that I can't stand. If Samsung would make a Nexus device for Google I would be all over that in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure they would also sell faster than they could make them.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] cc999:
6P

Watch out anyone with a negative thing to say about the S7 is considered a fanboy.

Truth hurts sometimes.

If anyone here can say that Samsung has a good reputation for software updates then there

is no reasoning at all with the Samsung fanboys. I had the S4-S5-S6 so I am a user not

a troll.

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[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
Save your breath, and leave us alone. I hear the 6P is a good phone, enjoy it and let S7 users speak. In other words, be quiet.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] malek777:
I just got the s7 edge and I don't have the battery drain.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Or maybe you should leave this '6p vs s7' thread if you dont want to read about the 6p.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mediatech1:
Dan37tz,

Thanks for the in depth review! Coming from your Note 5, curious if you ran TB and if so how you plan to deal with restoring data [backups] to your S7? I'm on Sprint which I believe is Snapdragon. [Re: root]. This was a bummer to read: http://www.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7-bootloader-lock-explained-you-might-not-get-aosp-after-all/
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gleggie:
Great review, thanks for the info! I currently have the 5X and am pretty disappointed with overall performance. Battery life has only been good after heavy tweaking. My sister has a contract upgrade and am considering the S7 or picking up a 6P, so this guide is just what I needed. Although the S7 being locked down is a huge bummer :/
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] CLARiiON:
This is a S7 forum, most people come here to read about S7. If I wanted to read about 6P, I would go to 6P forum. And there is nothing new to read about 6P, it's a 6 month old phone.

And this this vs that threads should be banned, all it does is influence trolling which is happening here. I knew previously such threads were closed due to nature of such threads. Everytime such threads come up, it ends up in a useless trolling. While buying a phone it is never a decision between just 2 phone, it's a decision for buyers between every device on that price range. Such threads serve no purpose at all.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
I agree that those 'vs' threads end up in fighting a lot of times. A lot of people can't stand criticism on a phone they own. I dont get it though, if you dont want to read it, just read another thread. Anyway, message an admin if you think this thread should be closed. I think it's very valid thread though, I found it very interesting to hear from owners of both devices if the S7 was a worthy upgrade. I'm going to stick with my 6p now because everybody says it's not a worthy upgrade.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] i9100g user:
I agree probably moving this to general or any other forum than S7 or S7 edge would be the better thing to do as Nexus 6p is OT and not related to S7 itself

This way S7 forums would remain focused on S7 itself rather than abc devices fanboyism or S7 hate.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] sharingan:
Guys i have read it also comes with a otg adapter from samsung

Plz tell me that do it supports hard drives also or just pendrives

Plz reply back about my question cos if i buy a s7 ( which i probably will in april )

Then i can leave my laptop at home

Also will we get cyangenmod and custom roms early as samsung has released source codes early this time ??
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] xxaarraa:
Dude now your really starting to be annoying. No one here gives a **** if you are getting an s7 or not. Stop polluting this thread with meaningless chatter and please leave us alone. Again, don't care about your decision.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah you added a lot of value here yourself, good job ! I really like your comments about other users and how they should leave according to you, very interesting stuff mate ! Please post more like that, you're adding a lot of value here !

Now stay on topic please: 6p vs s7.
[Samsung Galaxy S7 Guides, News, & Discussion] malek777:
It does come with an otg and does support hardrives. As far cyanogenmod goes, that's highly unlikely cuz the of the exynos chip and if you do have the s820 variant the bootloader is locked. Either why would you wanna lose the excellent camera, fingerprint scanner and all the other goodies for a half baked rom : P