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[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
MGS,

They do make it difficult, but you need to know something before you decide. I just found out that if you have insurance with your carrier, as long as you register the phone with your carrier (meaning have it listed as your main phone on your account), your phone insurance WILL cover it if something goes wrong. I confirmed this with TWO T-Mobile reps and 1 Assurance (T-Mobile's phone insurance company) rep as well! That's exactly what I'm gonna do when I get the XP actually. So F the warranty. lol But I could understand if not having HD Voice and esp VoLTE is too much of an issue. But don't let the warranty thing be what stops you.

I don't know for sure if not having HD Voice or VoLTE will matter all that much honestly. The call quality should still be very good to great even without them. I mean, I have them both now on my S7 and the call quality sucks lol......well not very good....... always sounds tinny & compressed, but that's the phone's fault, not T-Mobile's. Cuz on my Z3 and other phones like the HTC One M8 it was great. So having those doesn't guarantee much. It's how good the phone is in that respect that matters, and I'm willing to bet the XP will sound better cuz unlike Sam-dumb, Sony ACTUALLY cares about sound quality. They don't just "pretend to" like Sam-dung. lol

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Buggy,

Yeah. False advertising can really a hurt a business if they let it get out of hand.

Haha no kidding man! That would be like my dream job. And I would do it VERY well too.

See I'm not a big phone talker either. As much as I won't like not having them, it doesn't matter that much to me anyway. Having the best camera, a top notch battery, front-facing stereo speakers, etc. does.

I've had some bad experiences with Sprint, and I would never go back them again. I think you should read my post from earlier today/yesterday. It's a workout for sure!
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Buggy,

Some GOOD news..........despite my discovery that the X series will not have VoLTE, I found out it's really not an issue at all. Having VoLTE used to mean you could browse and connect to the internet WHILE ON a call. Before you couldn't do both. But I just tested out an Xperia Z1s which does NOT have VoLTE on it, and tried to browse the net and use apps like GMail app while on a call...... and apparently now you CAN do both at the same time even w/o having VoLTE!! So really, it's not a big deal at all!

VoLTE helps to connect your calls faster too, but if I have to wait a few more seconds, so be it.

Update: Actually, VoLTE makes it so you can use 4G LTE during a call, so faster data, and also improved call quality I guess. But Verizon and Sprint didn't have this back when I had them, only T-Mobile and AT&T did. V and S got them more recently. So I thought that you couldn't do both w/o VoLTE, but not true. Just that Verizon didn't have it back when I had them. lol

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MGS,

Some GOOD news..........despite my discovery that the X series will not have VoLTE, I found out it's really not an issue at all. Having VoLTE used to mean you could browse and connect to the internet WHILE ON a call. Before you couldn't do both. But I just tested out an Xperia Z1s which does NOT have VoLTE on it, and tried to browse the net and use apps like GMail app while on a call...... and apparently now you CAN do both at the same time even w/o having VoLTE!! So really, it's not a big deal at all!

VoLTE helps to connect your calls faster too, but if I have to wait a few more seconds, so be it.

Update: Actually, VoLTE makes it so you can use 4G LTE during a call, so faster data, and also improved call quality I guess. But Verizon and Sprint didn't have this back when I had them, only T-Mobile and AT&T did. V and S got them more recently. So I thought that you couldn't do both w/o VoLTE, but not true. Just that Verizon didn't have it back when I had them. lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
But is it really a upgrade for me to lose volte, HD voice on a z3v to upgrade to a xp that has a finger print sensor and no support whatsoever from the carrier for things like volte, HD voice, or WiFi calling which I really think is a must for t mobile. Idk. I love getting a new phone to play with but man I might as well get a cheaper z5.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
I could care less about WiFi Calling. I never use it. The other 2, maybe. I dunno....... up to you. Just wanted to be clear it's not as big a deal as I thought. lol You would get a better camera though as I've mentioned and also faster phone. But again up to you bud. (Plus it's a reason to leave Verizon. lol)
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] BuggyDub:
Thanks to the helpful people here you will most likely be able to enable the fingerprint sensor on the US model. The real unknown is does the US version really have water resistance but they just are claiming it doesn't to avoid warranty claims and/or patent issues? Who's willing to test that out? :) Seems weird they'd actually make multiple builds of the same phone to remove features in certain regions. That seems like it would be more expensive to do. Maybe it's easier to say it doesn't have a feature when it's really the same phone. The Z5 is looking like the better choice right now since we know the fingerprint sensor can be enabled, and it is waterproof and cheaper. To me it's also nicer looking and comes in better colors. The main drawbacks to the Z5 are the display is not as good, camera is not quite as good and it's less durable. Tough decision. Why do you do this to us Sony?! I want to give you my money, why can't you give me what I want? >:(
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
What do you mean enable the finger print sensor in the US model?
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] BuggyDub:
I am not any kind of expert at this stuff, but you basically update the firmware with the firmware from another region, and it turns the sensor on. It could affect your reception though and void warranty maybe. This thread explains it better than I can. http://xdaforums.com/z5-compact/help/fingerprint-version-t3331704 And this thread explains the process in more detail. http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z5/general/e6653-flash-e6603-firmware-enable-t3307158
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
I thought they did that with the z5 and the finger print sensor still didn't work

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And they flashed us firmware on the international version which already had working sensor not the other way around. No one tried or confirmed it worked using a us device and flashing the euro firmware or mix package
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] BuggyDub:
Well, to be fair I guess the guy who claims it worked for him is using a Z5 compact, not the Z5. But he did say it was a US Z5C bought at Best Buy. Maybe there's just not enough people who've bought the US version who have bothered to try. Why would it work on the Z5C but not the Z5?
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
Maybe if that's the case I'd rather buy the US version and compile what I need. And try to give some support to American xperia as this is the first device releasing on time
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] BuggyDub:
It's tough to decide what to do. Like you, it'd be nice to support the US version, but I'm not that comfortable with trying the firmware flash thing myself. Seems more complicated than the people doing it make it sound, though I do know some people who could help. The risk of getting a fake and having no warranty on an international version is such a major concern for me. I know you can most likely get it insured still, but that just ads to the expense. There's just no excuse for Sony doing this when all of these "budget" companies like ZTE, Huawei, and ASUS etc. are making phones with fingerprint sensors. Are they that bad off when these companies can include it with their "cheap" phones in the US, but Sony can't?

Maybe I'll go completely rogue and get a Nextbit Robin. lol They're even more of a square brick than Xperia phones, but still nice looking IMO. And, they have a fingerprint sensor and front facing speakers. :)
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
No kidding Buggy. So much BS. lol I still think the int'l XP is the one to buy. Since the U.S. version doesn't have IP65/68 listed as a feature, I'm gonna assume it doesn't, even though it's the SAME model # as the int'l one. But you may be right......... they may just have a patent issue in the U.S. that they don't wanna deal with. I'd rather have the int'l version b/c then I don't have to deal with trying to enable the fingerprint sensor. Plus it's cheaper and will get released sooner than the U.S. version. The only benefits to getting the U.S. version are getting a free QNovo Quick Charge 3.0 charger + most places are also throwing in a free 128 GB Sandisk Class 10 (best one) MicroSD card.

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Buggy,

See my previous post on insuring the international version. You don't need a warranty. lol And if you have a phone, any phone, you SHOULD be getting insurance anyway as the warranty on the U.S. version is only good for 1 year. I'm keeping mine for at least 2 years if I can.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] BuggyDub:
RockStar,

Yeah the extra insurance is nice but I was pointing out that it adds to the overall cost of the phone. Of all the phones I've owned, my current one is the only one I've broken, so I'm not sure I'd get insurance if a warranty was included. I'm usually easy on my stuff. Of course, now that I've said that, I will probably break whatever new phone I get within the first week. Anyway, if I end up with a Sony phone I will probably get insurance, since I'm unfamiliar with how they hold up. All the HTCs I've had have been issue free, and I'd definitely stick with them if Sonys didn't just look so nice... and I'm a sucker for packaging. :)
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Well see for me Buggy, I already have phone insurance anyway, so to me it makes no difference. I feel like it's better than a warranty b/c the warranty is time-limited, but the insurance goes on and on.

Being easy on it (which I am too) doesn't guarantee that it won't still get accidentally damaged. Haha yeah exactly, but hopefully you don't break anything.

IMO, I've had both the HTC One M8 and the Sony Xperia Z3, and they BOTH held up very well. I'm not even worried about it. I love both phone makers, but HTC's new design is too generic now (on the front side anyway), and the fact is, I just love Sony a little more. But if Sony stopped making flagship phones, I'd go back to HTC w/o flinching. lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
Htc got stale since m8 and leaving ultra pixel focus behind
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
For the most part I agree. My sister had the M9 and I really liked that one too. I thought it looked a lil nicer (rose gold color), and sound was slightly better too I think. Camera too. Plus you could control the gestures better. The M8 though gave you more control of the power saver option, which I liked. I don't like when the makers take control away from you. lol

The HTC 10 has ultrapixels again though. Power saver is still like M9, if not worse though. But I hate how the front-facing stereo speakers are gone. I thought the home button was a lame physical button, but turns out it doesn't push in. It's just a virtual button, which I like. lol Just wish it didn't look so generic now on the front. They should've put that fingerprint sensor on the back or the side like Sony wisely did.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] kms108:
I can't confirm about the international version, but the Hong Kong dual sim version F8132, sony is giving a extra 12 month warranty, upgrading the standard charger to a OEM sony QC 2.0 charger, free sony 64GB micro SDXC, OEM case and screen protector and a SM umbrella.

But I don't see sony mentioning the X series supporting QC 3.0, do you have information on this, but I do know and sony has mention about the Qnova battery system on the X series.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Yeah I just saw that, but it's only for the dual-sim F8132 version.

It's weird, b/c articles I've read indicate the X Series (as well as the Galaxy S7/S7 Edge) are not able to utilize QC 3.0, YET the QNovo charger page CLEARLY states it is a QC 3.0 charger. Explain THAT one to me kms! lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] kms108:
I wish I can, but I prefer a normal charger, QC will shorten the batteries life span, especially that the battery is built in, but sony HK is giving 24months warranty.

If the phone does not support QC 3.0, it can downgrade to support QC 2.0.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Well they say that this QNovo charger is different than the usual QC charger, that it will actually LENGTHEN the phone's battery life, which is why they say to buy it. I dunno. lol

Cool on 24 month warranty.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] kms108:
I'm actually confused, sony store say the qnova technology is in the phone, but the adapter clearly say's it, I just have to reconfirm this with some of the sony reps that I know.

thanks
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
kms,

No, the U.S. Sony Store clearly states that the technology is in the CHARGER, not the phone itself. See copy & paste below:

Qnovo Adaptive Charging

Smarter battery management solutions include groundbreaking Qnovo adaptive battery charging that maintains battery performance and extends battery lifespan up to twice as long.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
So what phone are you deciding to go with?
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Hey MGS,

After giving the HTC 10 a fair shake, I decided that as nice as it is, I'm going to return it and re-order the XP. The camera on the HTC is the best ever, for HTC, but not as good as Samsung with respect to details. The HTC 10 though in some cases seemed more color accurate, but the fact is, the XP is both more detailed and color accurate than both.

So you're prob wondering "Well what about that T-Mobile VoLTE thing?" lol............. so I called up Sony. Talked to a guy who said his supervisor was VERY sure the XP would have VoLTE. Wasn't sure about T-Mo certification. So then I called T-Mo............. my intention was to get to THE BOTTOM OF THIS BS. lol So eventually I got to their tech support dept. This time I got a f'ing GREAT guy named Carlos. Carlos patiently listened to my whole dilemma lol.......... he expressed his sincere determination and "love of challenges" with regards to getting this all figured out. This all being "Did Sony perhaps ALREADY get certification with T-Mo for VoLTE for all their phones, or will the XP still need it?" And also "DOES the XP actually have VoLTE??!" That was yesterday. He told me he'd talk to his network specialist and could go "even further" through the chain of command if necessary. So finally I HAVE my "in". lol Today he both called and e-mailed me this:

[‏6/‏11/‏2016 6:42 AM], Carlos:

Good morning S.....,

[‏6/‏11/‏2016 7:09 AM], Carlos:

I was able to talk to my network specialist and did give me a little bit of info but does not have the direct answer either. We have now partnered up with our point of contact with Sony. We did send an email to him after me and you spoke and just waiting on response.

This guy is VERY interested in answering my question, so I consider myself quite lucky to be able to actually reach both him and that Sony contact. Finally now MGS we'll get some f'ing NO BS answers on this whole thing!

I will keep you posted. But I plan on buying my XP from Expansys US once again. At this point, aside from finding out the XP causes cancer, I WILL get that phone if it's the LAST thing I do. LOL

I really want to know 1) Does the XP even have VoLTE for sure? and of course 2) In order to use it in Band 12/LTE-only situations, WILL I get the voice signal or not?? If not, perhaps I will put a complaint in to T-Mobile and they'll reconsider their stance? I also called AT&T and to switch to them means AN EXTRA $35 a month and I get 5GBs/mo of data instead of the 6 with T-Mobile. So F that. lol Basically MGS, I figured, assuming I can't get around the T-Mo certification thing, the odds of me being in a situation where I can't make a call while indoors are very slim to none. Not worth getting a phone I don't love over it (if it's even true).

Crazy week. lol Speakers and audio on the HTC 10 are SICK though. Audio-wise and screen-wise HTC was INCREDIBLE. And phone doesn't lag at all unlike S7. lol LIGHTNING fast.

P.S. Check this post out.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] BuggyDub:
I decided to just get a z3 compact for now and wait and see on the XP, and maybe whatever else is coming down the line at the end of the year. Either with price drops, or new model announcements (with working fingerprint sensor in the US!) etc. That upcoming Moto Z looks kind of neat though...or gimmicky, I can't decide.

My switch from Sprint to T-Mobile went smoothly and my service seems better than Sprint at my house. I don't think the VoLTE thing affects us here in North Carolina yet, from what I see online. If any of you know differently let me know. It seems like T-Mobile's certification policy on that can end up leaving some uninformed person dead one day when they can't connect to 911 in an emergency. Most people will see that some unlocked phones are compatible with T-Mobile's network on Amazon and not know about this band 12/VoLTE thing. I wouldn't if I didn't know about these forums. Anyway, it's potentially dangerous and a lawsuit waiting to happen. Also, it appers to be another thing that Sony doesn't seem too concerned about doing anything about. Do they not want their phones to be 100% fully compatible with the only two networks they work on at all in the US?

While I really like the Z3 compact, I am missing my Blinkfeed from HTC. Anyone know of an app that does something similar? All of the built in news feeds are pretty lame. I also haven't upgraded it to Marshmallow yet. I've read mixed things about it, and for sure you lose burst mode with the camera app, which sucks IMO.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
I want to pre order it. Expansys doesn't have a price listed and how do we know this isn't the gimped us version over the international unlocked version?

I also asked about warranty through t mobile on a unlocked phone and they told me they will not insure a phone not purchased through t mobile.

Mind you I have yet to create a account with them. I almost bought a z5 over the xp. Why is there no 4k recording on a upgraded camera? No fm radio either and no small apps.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Buggy,

That's cool. I gave the HTC 10 a chance but decided the XP is more what I'm looking for. I pre-ordered the superior and cheaper int'l version from Expansys' US site here. I suggest you do the same, if you think you want to. They have an A+ rating with the BBB and I personally know someone who's ordered from them with no issues.

Nice. Yeah T-Mobile IS MUCH BETTER than Sprint, so no surprise there. As you can see from my last post, I am working to figure out all that T-Mobile/VoLTE/certification stuff. So keep checking here for more updates. From what I've read, 911 will still work I think, but not sure on rest.

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MGS,

My contact at Expansys (Dulce) has assured me that the version they're selling in that link I gave you IS in fact the int'l one. He said "They always sell the int'l version of these products UNLESS otherwise specified." I've seen some phones on their site say "USA version", and these don't say that, so I'm sure now that it's the int'l version. Plus the guy I know personally who's bought phones from them told me that they're VERY reliable and the phones are always the int'l ones. I'm HONESTLY not worried man. lol

Exactly, they WON'T insure it (with certain exceptions.......... the last 3 unlocked Nexus phones, and unlocked iPhones as well). But I just the other day found out from my cousin that Square Trade, who I knew already offers warranties on various products on eBay, ALSO offers phone insurance that's even cheaper than T-Mobile's. I will be getting this insurance once my XP comes in. I suggest you bookmark that site and then sign up once you get your XP.

Not sure on the 4K thing, but it's not really a big deal to me. The fact is, the XP & X have the SAME screen on them and outdo the Z5, and also, the camera is better too on the X than the Z5. It has a wider lens from what I've seen, and also, the the screen gets brighter, AND...........the X/XP have that Predictive Hybrid Autofocus (see vid.........prob only ad by Sony I actually LIKE lol), but Z5 doesn't. To me, it's XP all the way!

I dunno about FM radio or small apps. Not a big concern for me as I listen to "streamed" radio & music on my phone. For small apps, I never used them.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
How do we know is cheaper they don't list a price yet
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
MGS,

I've noticed that the int'l versions on Amazon are always cheaper than the U.S. versions, and TEND to get released sooner too. But we're talking about Sony here, so who knows anything 100% for sure? lolo
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
Well you look now they are and considering the international z5 has been out like 5 months before the US release that's the case. Remember the international release was around 629-699 euros and the X series is practically launching world wide. The US one may be cheaper this time around.

Also I'm sure you can flash or make a custom ftf merging the UK ftf with the US one and enable the fingerprint sensor to work on the US release.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
It would ACTUALLY make sense for the US version to be cheaper, but I'd still take the int'l one over it any day. lol

Yeah but that's extra work. lol And no guarantee it won't work, but a good to great chance you may void that oh so precious warranty on the US version if you do.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
Na just flash back to stock and you'd be good lol
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
But doesn't flashing require unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting the phone??
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
Nope it's all official firmwares we are flashing just adding files to enable the fingerprint sensor.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] RockStar2005:
Ok. I dunno.......that still doesn't solve the lack of IP 65/68 on the US version.
[Sony Xperia X Performance Guides, News, & Discussi] MGSBigBoss:
Idk could be a mistake they would really have to go out of the way to make the xp Not waterproof since it's part of the design.

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BTW amazon is selling the performance now by two sellers. It is the dual version however... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FMABWWM/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_jLFxxbBPF4FJK