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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
Can you post your ROM version, etc. etc. ?

Btw, I have TyTn for about 3 weeks now and dont have that problem.

Installed bunch of softwares already, did couple of soft-resets due too application lock up, but not SOD.

However, I dont use push email, nor let 3G/Wi-Fi connection ON all the time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nlel:
EDIT: Updating this post on 23/07/09 I got rid of the problem on the Tytn II and never had the problem again, didn't know what I did to solve it until I got a HTC Touch Diamond 2 with the same problem. To solve this problem switch band from auto 3G/2G to 3G or 2G only, this means changing the band under phone options in the settings to WCDMA + UTMS 2100 (3G) or GSM + AUTO (2G) only. Changing your SIM therefore network provider may also solve the problem without changing the settings above. Hope this helps someone.

EDIT2: Also read this thread http://xdaforums.com/show...standby&page=2 where the resolution was to get a new SIM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
Pretty much the same.

Btw, have you tried to hard reset?

If not, try to give it a go. Hard reset is not something that you should afraid of.

I had one problem in the past (strange popup error everytime sending SMS) which I cant find any answer elsewhere. Even I hanged out in Microsoft.com, WinMo forum without any help.

I did hard reset, and the problem is gone!

I suggest to hard reset and use it for couple of days.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
This was a common problem with the TyTn and there were a few workarounds that could be done to avoid it.

However one of the things I really like about my Kaiser is that I have not had a single freeze, SoD or any need for a hard reset in a month of using it - very stable indeed and I have loads of apps installed.

So, I kinda like the above advice to do a hard reset in case there is a bad install of something. It is most likely to be software related. ROMs can make a difference here but the shipped HTC ROM is fine in this regard.

Yes, your issue could be related to GPRS and Wifi left running. This could further be compunded by any software you have set to auto run like weather apps, messaging, push mail etc. So perhaps before a hard reset it is worth checking/stopping one thing at a time - GPRS/Wifi/ auto running apps in particular ASync. I have a feeling you may have a conflict in there somewhere.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrisnash:
No SOD here either. I have found this ROM really stable - and am loving the extra memory
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
That sounds right but then so do I sometimes and I don't get the SoD. If you have a full back-up I'd be really tempted to try a H/Reset.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrisnash:
I have found that on most of my HTC devices with a variety of ROMS that letting them go into standby with the wireless still enabled will cause response problems. Usually I find that they will wake back up but respond very slowly - particularly the hardware keys until I have turned the wireless off again. I assumed it was some kind of memory leak.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nlel:
I think it maybe a question of how often you let it go into standby with the data connection active...and whether anything happens whilst it is in this state, in those first 6 days I would kick off a data connection not realising there was a disconnect option... and have it run for however long untill it automatically disconnects.

I could put it into standby with the data connection active and most often it will come out of standby but maybe sometimes it doesn't. If you are not always doing this then perhaps you never encountered it...

I dunno if it doesn't work then I`ll try a hard reset once I have my data connection settings written down somewhere.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
OK, good luck with that - and will be useful info if you post back how you get on with it.

Oh and I notice you say "let it go into standby". - From my Hermes days I learned never to let it do that by itself, I would always do it manually, something I have done automatically since.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
I got in the habit as well with my Hermes, always manually turn off WiFi when done with it. More than once I found the hermes stone dead overnite after I forgot to turn off thr WiFi. When this happens, the phone gets quite warm so something bad is going on when this occurs.

I have seen this 1 time so far with the Kaiser, I used WiFi and left it connected, powered off and holstered it. About 30 minutes later I put my hand on the phone and it was Hot. The battery was down 50% so there is some hi-power consumption condition that the phone gets into. So I continue to be very carefull with WiFi use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] duttythroy:
no sods or soft resets. I have used hermes and istall countless rwm6 roms on it and none compare to the stability of this rom on the kaiser apart from couple minor bugs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] taguapire:
About Esmertec JAVA Enviroment Stability

Hi,

I used my TyTN with Esmertec VM and all software tried on it worked fine. Then when my Kaiser arrived I installed the same apps and some of them didn´t work. To be more specific I did run Leisure Suite Larry without notice on my Hermes, but it goes black in my Kaiser, just don´t run, I must press OK button for return to Today Screen and kill Java process.

Is there an update or workaround for get working those apps?

Regards,

Taguapire.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Everton1878:
Starting to get a bit worried about my TyTN II now

Had to soft reset it twice in the last 2 days now :(

Today it had just been sitting on my desk connected to my PC all morning (about 6 hours)

Then I noticed the clock vanish, left it a couple of minutes and then picked it up

Tried to unlock it but it was totally unresponsive so had to soft reset

The only things that were running were the HTC Home plugin, batti, Spb Diary and Spb GPRS Monitor (have now disable batti as only used it for the battery level across the top)

I don't leave GPRS, 3G, WiFi etc running I always close it down when I've finished using it

Seems to be a memory leak in something somewhere

Any ideas guys
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Moaske:
Do you mean the device-PIN lock (ie the 4 digits unlock screen to protect the device) ? Cause i've experienced there's a seriously bad bug in WM6 (so M$ is to blame for this) with the device-PIN... It causes the device to hang, to 'forget' mail accounts etc... It's very annoying bug, cause i'm carrying around my TyTNII totally unprotected these days...

Dunno if this is the reason for your troubles too, but it can't hurt to have a look into that :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] darkilici:
Everton1878:

Maybe it was Spb Diary or some other process that was resident (use TaskMgr - Task Manager 2.7 - to check processes). It all depends on what 3rd party applications you have installed on your tytn II, some mess with registry or keep resident processes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nlel:
Well I went approx 37 hours before I encountered a problem... it wasn't an SOD but I couldn't connect to a data connection. I hadn't used the device for a few hours no data connections running obviously when I tried to connect, it kept trying and trying and eventually popped a message saying that it couldn't connect for unknown reason and that I should reset my device.

Thinking that maybe the GPRS was down I left it overnight and tried again this morning same problem. Eventually I decided to soft reset as suggested and the data connection worked again immediately afterwards.

This is the first time this has happened to me and in view of this fact I think I was better off doing intentional resets, ie not waiting for it to force me into one (it only went 37hours!!!).

Anyway some people said they went 11days and counting without soft reset so I`m going to try again w/o soft resets and see how long I can go hopefully without SOD as well.

Doing it daily meant I was never forced into one and I liked that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
That problem below could happen, for sure, I experienced once or two before (with MDA Pocket/Magician). But it is not a plaque ...

How many times have you experienced that connectivity issue? Once? Good ... dont worry then!

Me personally, I have never soft-reseted my Kaiser because of SOD.

And I think your problem is obvious, Kaiser has problem with standby when you have data connection/wifi/etc. It must be something related to that one.

I have never put my device on standby while the data connection is still active (It could be just me, but this is also obvious for MOST people).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Everton1878:
No, locked as in keypad lock by holding the hangup button but thanks anyway

Will look into to other suggestions people have given
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ves:
Standy by psuhing the power button or letting it turn it self 'off'?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RiCCiO:
It happened nearly every day (even many times a day) with my "old" Tytn. During that time I was losing nearly all calls (and the very bad thing was that callers said my phone was ringing as if it was me not answering, so I neither got notification from Vodafone about a lost call) and all sms trying to come until my soft reset.

Before going mad I decided to change for a Tytn II...

I hope to NOT get the same problem... I own it since two days... maybe it's too soon to feel safe...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nlel:
I have been running for 7 days without SOD or soft reset - which is good!. Not only am I ending data connections after use but the other significant thing is that I am no longer running the owner identification screen at every power on.

In the first 6 days where I had 3 SODs I was running the owner identification screen. Its looking like it is the cause of the SOD on the Tytn II. During the 13 days where I was soft resetting everyday (and did not have 1 SOD) I was also not running the identification screen.

So there could be an SOD bug with running the owner identification screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jinnosuke:
After you disabled batti do you still have the problem? I disabled batti today also because my clock was going blank and i think batti is the only thing or devices have in common in terms of applications. The only thing i have running thats different is phoneAlarm. I am worried also so if you find a fix im having the same problem please post your fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tonychen:
I install the sprite backup on my Eten M700 and start using a new battery yesterday, this SOD problem come up few times. It never happen to my M700 before, i guess it may be either of them cause the problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] research12:
The problem is batti. I have installed batti two days ago and since then, every charging leads to a freeze/crash. As USB will also charge, same result here. I disabled batti again and now everything works fine. So it is a bug in batti with WM6.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joy.d:
try do disable the automaticly password funktion from tytn II.

if the function disabled (and you has not set any pass) some problems of the tytn II are resolved..

specially if you make a phonecall and after taht, or switching between 3G and Voice call.. (depends on Email Push fuctionality)

batti and some old TOMTOM versions is a problem with WM6 too.. (not only on a TyTn II)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joy.d:
Or, if you dont wanna disable your pw:

go to Registry:

Key EnableFastDormantDisplayDuringCall unter HKLM\Drivers\Builtin\RIL

set from 1 to 0

:-)

a workaround for tytn II, and MDA Vario III
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KainKoh:
I had this SOD on the sets i modded as well. :confused::(

From Singapore here. Doesnt happen on Asia WWE roms though.It usually happens on Cooked roms i have flashed with chinese font installed. and S2U2. It happens on some of the sets i have done up.

i.e : Touch (Elfin) , TOuch Dual , TYTN II

TYTN II is my personal phone. Till now 3 days. I had like 2 hangs on standby. :(

Doesnt recover from whatever i press. My HTC 3300(P800W) had almost the same stuff and apps on my TYTN II, nothing happens. No SOD or whatever. :eek:

Nice bros, any advice. THanks a million in advance.

HTC TYTN II Window Mobile 6.1 Pro (Dutty's)

CE OS Build 5.2.19199

ROM Version TOUCH v6.1 WWE

Radio : 1.64.08.21

Protocol Version 25.74.40.02

Storage: 143.50MB

Program : 101.32MB

8GB SDHC Class 4

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Dopod P800W

Window Mobile 6.1 Professional

CE OS Build 19199.1.0.0

IPL : 1.29.00.01

Radio Version : 03.95.90

Rom version : 4.1.13.51

Total Storage : 50.40MB

Program : 47.90MB

8 MB pool size

Dynamic Overclocking at 273 MHZ

4GB SDHC Class 6
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rafael K:
SOD as well

I would like to add my experience and elaborate a little over it:

1. I bought my Tytn II in December. For the first month or maybe more, I had no SODs;

2. Suddenly it started to lockup when in standby mode. Sometimes after it has been on standby for hours, sometimes for minutes. Initially, SODs happened within 2 or 3 days, during sleep hours. But recently I even hot 2 in a single day.

3. I don't have anything special installed. But I use exchange push a lot.

4. I have missed several waking alarms in the morning due to lockups.

5. One thing I believe is very unusual is that when the phone locks in such conditions (and those are the only conditions it locks anyway) the only solution I am left to is to push the soft reset button. But instead of "rebooting", the phone turns off!!! Then, in order to turn it back on, I have to press the power button. I find this behaviour intriguing...

Regards,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Yeah my kaiser (emily) SOD'd a couple of times today. I mean I can live with it but I wonder for how long. I'm going to try and uninstall things little by little to find the culprit, if any. BTW a couple of times was like more than 3 but less than 5. I have my BT always on to save my battery but that's about it. My emails I set to manually get. Kinda weird.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rafael K:
SOD Update - Hard reset no good

Just a quick update. I hardreset my Tytn II some hours ago just added a exchange push email account and synchronized exchange account and some outlook folders (locally). I also set connections to my operator and left the phone hooked up to my computer. Some minutes ago, I found it frozen at my desk... :-(

One thing I have noticed is that it is far more likely for it to freeze while recharging (either with the recharger or with the USB cable) than on battery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jwbrint:
This solution fixed it for me!

I'm still not sure what was causing my SOD issues, but I was able to fix this by not letting my Tilt go into stand by mode on its own. I edited the settings to not go into stand by while on battery power. Just go to Settings/Backlight/Battery power and uncheck "Turn of backlight if device is not used for". This way I know that it will now go into stand by on its own. Now I just manually put it in stand by myself by pushing the power button.

I was getting a SOD every time it went to stand by on its own, but now using this method I have not had an SOD for over a month.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
On my Vario III with the original German T-Mobile ROM the SODs started after unlocking the device and were directly related to the "advanced network settings" setting.

Since I have switched to the NoThrills 6.1. German ROM I have not had a single SOD.

Robert:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jwbrint:
FWIW, I have not unlocked my phone nor messed with the advanced network settings.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rafael K:
After my hardreset, SODs started to occur more constantly. :eek:

It is really getting on my nerves.

What I have been observed so far:

1. It happens even if a manually turn off the phone.

2. Kaisertweak changes to the notifications did not do any good in this matter.

What I am investigating:

1. Removal of HTC Home plugin

2. If it doesn't help, I will try changing sim cards.

I have not heard of anyone that has upgraded ROM and solved this matter. Is there any that will do it? I would rather have a stock ROM to upgrade.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] romualdrichard:
For your information : 99% (not to say 100%) of the SOD are solved with this:

swith to "advanced network setting" for the USB and be sure to have it selected.

I know, it's annoying a bit when you connect to the PC and have an activesync error. You have to switch it off.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rafael K:
I guess I am one of the 1%.

UPDATE: The problem is not the HTC Home Plugin. Had SODs while plug was disabled. I will now try the phone with 2 different sim cards (one for another cel line from my operator; the other from another op; both non-3G cards). Let`s see what happens, but this phone is about to hit the wall...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BucketTse:
I had SoD problem too. It happened if I leave GPRS (HSDPA protocol) in active while staying in standby mode (I keep MSN running nearly 24 hrs a day). The longer the idle time of keeping standby, the higher the chance the phone will hang.

I placed the phone to repair centre and what they did is just replace the phone with a new motherboard. However, the problem still exist.

Anyone who keep MSN online all the times with similar symptom like me?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BucketTse:
I did some chg and the chance of SoD is much lowered (I can keep MSN online for 8 hrs while the phone is in standby mode and kept idle - no incoming/outgoing calls, never been wake up by pressing the power button):

1. Disable the task manager by unchecking all the options from its option menu. That is, it won't have the shortcut be shown on the top right hand corner of the Today screen. And clicking "X" won't close the application.

2. Before leaving the phone in standby mode, close all applications including the Windows Live. Only MSN keeps running active.

3. Keep the phone at one single place and never carry it around. I'll interpret it as keeping a stable GPRS connection.

Before making the chg above, my phone will sure experience SoD if leaving idle for more than 2hrs, now, the problem is eased.

I'm going to verify if point 3 is the main reason why the phone hang by shutting down everything before I go hanging out from home/office.

Appreciate much if anyone has similar experience like me could give me some hints in easing the problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rafael K:
More tests regarding SOD:

I did as quoted above:

1. Disabled HTC Taskman and discovered I could have more SODs than I was having before ... :)

2. I also disabled everything possible in the phone before going to sleep (applications running in the bkg, home plugins, etc) and manually put it to sleep. The phone freezed in the middle of the night as well.

3. Although I cannot afford to test this, because I really need to carry it around, I have been wandering if this could be one important factor in this problem. I am not a cell tech expert, but my operator has been deploying 3G over 850Mhz band (or 800Mhz, I am sorry, I cannot recall). Before that, this band was used here for TDMA phones. At the same time, it still operates GSM in other frequency (1800 or 1900 - please allow my ignorance). The point is: maybe our phones are not dealing correctly with both frequencies. In the beginning of the deployment, I suffered with several calls being cut off while commuting (probably because the phone was not able to handle the change transfer of frequencies). You tech experts out there: Is this at least a little bit plausible?

I still could not test another sim card in the phone due to lack of time. But I will do this right now. I will remove a 3g enabled sim from my operator and switch it for a non-3g enabled sim from other operator. I will use it the whole weekend and in the beginning of next week I will report back to you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BucketTse:
Dear Rafael,

Thx for your mesg and looking forward for your test result.

Sounds like your phone is more unreliable than mine, especially the rare symptom of hanging in midnight.

I've a suggestion for u: could u pls try to turn off "everything" when u r going to sleep at night and just leave it in standby mode? I remember there's a setting which allows u to turn off everything: wifi, gprs, phone connection. It's named something like "in plane" in chinese (my phone is a chinese version), target for customer who want to keep the mobile turned on while taking flight.

If it still hang, I'm pretty sure it's a hardware problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] maikenhead:
I was fortunate enough to not have a SOD for over 6 months of using my Kaiser (UK T-mobile). However, about 2 months ago my phone locked at work and I was unable to access my calendar or make calls (very annoying as I've bought a couple of these phones on a business contract to support work when on client sites).

I've actually experienced a couple of different problems. The first occurs where my phone slows down and becomes unresponsive to button presses and screen taps. The standby button will also not turn off the screen and I have to simply leave the phone on, or soft reset every time I need to make a call (I can usually get 1 usage out of it for each soft reset). In my experience plugging the phone in to a charger and charging for a while, or syncing the phone temporarily fixes this problem (have no idea why!).

The second problem I get is the true SOD where the standby button puts the phone in standby, but won't bring it back. I don't get that as much, but had a whole day of it last Sunday. None of the fixes I tried from this thread would fix it (manually putting in standby, changing settings with KaiserTweak, disabling X-button and Kaiser plugins etc). However, this round of SODs was resolved by syncing the phone a few times. I usually sync with bluetooth but when experiencing this round of SOD, activesync wouldn't start when bluetooth was on. Tapping the activesync icon on the phone would apparently launch the app but it would not appear on screen. It would appear in the running programs list but it was not "killable" so something had certainly gone wrong. Anyway, I switched to using activesync over USB, which allowed me to sync and as I say, syncing a few times has resolved my problem. For now ...

I'm certainly thinking of dumping HTC / WM6 phones after this. I switched from using Palm Treos when the original O2 XDA come out in the UK and have used the XDA / XDA II / Vario / MDA Pro and now Kaiser but I'm getting sick of the nigling flakiness that is always in the background with these phones. I love the access to a huge range of installable programs, and use the GPS navigation on the Kaiser all the time. But fundamentally I need a reliable phone with a calendar application and my work needs would necessitate dumping all the extra functionality to have that reliability.