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[Mogul, XV6800 General] klmsu19:
is there any benefits from going back to wm5 i see youre running? are dropping RAM issues resolved? whats your free memory off soft reset? bluetooth any better? speed of the device seem faster or slower? just curious if its worth it, i dont use html email (use mail2web and they havent upgraded yet) so i dont have a particular reason to need wm6 right this second really. i use it for personal use not corporate so all the security upgrades and such arent an issue to me. just device performance
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
I personally like the WM6 alltel the best as it seems to fix the issues i was personally seeing in the sprint rom. There may be some programs that still have compatibility issues with wm6 though and i know a few people said they wanted wm5 back so i figured i'd make an nbh of it and offer it out.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] krohnjw:
Hm, anyone else having a problem when it gets to the step "Verifying the information on your PDA Phone...Please Wait"?

If I disconnect and reconnect the USB cable as instructed ActiveSync will not reconnect while the boot loader screen is up. I then get the Error 260 Connection cannot connect to phone - the same holds true for when I do not disconnect the USB cable.

Any ideas? Am I doing something incorrectly?

Edit: Acivesync never reconnected, but it seems to have sorted itself out. Boot loader is up and running.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] klmsu19:
do you still get dropping RAM over time with wm5 or is the memory management better? whats your free ram of a soft reset on wm5?

those are my 2 biggest concerns with the 6800 being able to have free program memory to run programs or else all the other factors are useless if the phone isnt functional 100% and cant run programs (mine as well have crappy Palm OS at that ponint if you can only run 1 program before RAM drops to nothing and crashes out the phone)

i know there arent many difference between wm5 and wm6 for the individual user like myself but memory usage fixed would be a big plus.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
I haven't seen any issues regarding ram usage problems so i haven't looked into it. there are many speculative threads about that, but feel free to try for yourself.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mswlogo:
Can Spint owners that are running the Alltel ROM please list what improves and what (if any gets worse). Also please list if you are using the Radio ROM as well.

I'm tempted to go for this but see mixed comments that some things are broke.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] TC1:
I agree with you. Too much anecdotal information and not enough controlled experiments. Too many opinions and not enough scientific facts.

A lot of the posts here remind me of the street racers who slap coffee-can exhausts on their Honda Civics and then swear they are getting an additional 50HP output :rolleyes:
[Mogul, XV6800 General] utexascg:
my personal experience with the two roms is that the Alltel OS seems to be quicker and i run at a constant 23-25mb free memory all day. This is an improvement over Sprints where i run between 18-22mb all day. I personally had worse reception with the Alltel radio when compared to the sprint radio. I'm in central texas. Maybe it's better other places, but I prefer the sprint radio. Another benefit of the alltel rom is that mms works which i was unable to get working with the sprint rom.

Ultimately, i broke both roms apart and pieced together the aspects that i liked and recompiled it into one nbh file. then flashed my phone.

Currently i'm running:

Sprint Splash Screens

Sprint Ext-Rom (although i bypassed this on the initial boot up)

AllTel OS

Sprint Radio

Hope this helps
[Mogul, XV6800 General] klmsu19:
thats what ive been tryin to do, can you post your file up? ftp here or email it to me?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
if all you want is the alltel OS you can get it from my section of the ppcgeeks FTP at:

ftp://ppcgeeks:ezupload@ftp.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/ImCoKeMaN/roms/Titan_2.14_OS.nbh

that will keep your current radio, extrom and splash and be less to flash and dl.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] klmsu19:
ok what am i doing wrong i ran the unlocker, reset the phone, replaced the nbh file in the tempttn folder, ran the romupdate exe, it gets to the screen with the progress bar but never gets past 0% and then says communication error on the PC. whatd i miss? ive got activesync connected too and running

btw im running vista, is that the culprit? i know vista and rom upgrades dont mix well somtimes
[Mogul, XV6800 General] TC1:
Interesting.

What are you basing the radio comparsion on? Signal strength bars? Dropped calls? Everyday usage experience?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] utexascg:
everyday usage. Basically, my biggest problem is in my office building. I work in a tall glass office building and the entire floor above us is a special APD SWAT team. I don't know what, if any, equipment is used by them that could potentially interfere with phone signal but i know everyone in my office has problems with their service. I have sprint, but other have ATT, TMobile and verizon. We all have problems. I switched from ATT to sprint recently b/c other staff were having luck with getting signal in our office. I had great signal with the original sprint radio. Once i changed to the alltel radio, my signal dropped to nothing. At times there is an x on the signal bar indicating that there is no singal at all.....

maybe it's all just a fluke, but once i went back to the sprint radio it seemed to work fine again.

later
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mswlogo:
CokeMan thanks for the nbh file.

One more question before I flash.

Any comments on the "Alarm Bug" using the alltel OS. This is where it can't wake itself for say a calander event when asleep and on charge. That is, if you schedule a wakeup call, put it on charge for the night it won't sound in the morning. You'll only be using the phone to call the boss that you'll be late for work.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Zacharybinx:
I'm stuck at 0

I run the unlocker, it stays at 0 for about a minute and than tells me I need to recover my device.. I thought it might be the connection or something, but I can run the alltel update until 1% than it gives me the invalid vendor..:confused:
[Mogul, XV6800 General] TC1:
Interesting (again). Very useful info. have you previously tried upgrading to the latest PRL?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
I haven't tested the alarm bug, and i haven't really read too much about it. Never really felt like trusting a windows device to get me up in time for work. There are probably others that have tested this though.

EDIT: just ran the test and the alarm problem still occurs. when phone sleeps and is plugged in the alarm will not wake the device up ...to sound the alarm and wake you up.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] utexascg:
although this is a bug, there is an easy fix to it.

just goto start->settings->power

click on the "advanced tab"

Uncheck the box "On external power turn off device is not used for"

This will keep your phone out of standby and the alarm function working. If you don't want your screen to be on and bring at the time, simple go to "backlight settings" and set it to turn off within a given time.....

later
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mswlogo:
I don't want to use the backlight setting because when I run iGuidance the light will go out while navigating. I use iGuidance more than morning alarms.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] berardi:
I did the same thing. Somehow we missed the step of runnig the unlocker.

If your computer is still making the sound when you plugin your mogul then just install the Sprint rom. Get activesync and follow the steps of the unlocker carefully. It updates your Rom- you must do this first before you update with the Alltel rom. That was my mistake.

If your computer isnt recognizing or making any sound when you plugin your phone try this:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Uni_Stuck_the details are different but it worked for me.

Figured I'd share the results of my staying up until 1 AM on a worknight because my Titan was stuck on bootloader!!

Finally got it so there you go!

Another thing: I'm an idiot for relying on this thing alone for my alarm! I wanted to call it quits for the night and go to bed but I had to finish it so my lovely phone could wake me up in the morning *love hate* relationship :)
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
the easiest way to get out of bootloader is the tool i modified to work specifically for the titan:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9229

the uni_exitbootloader uses a different set command that the titan
[Mogul, XV6800 General] nilisco:
Do a search for FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 9B 4F FF FF 64 B0. I believe it finds two values for this, so look at the second one. If you see a 00 00 60 00 about 11 values from where you started, you're at the right place.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] dcd1182:
you rock, i really appreciate this information. thanks.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mswlogo:
Why is this thread so dead lately?

Did the topic move somewhere else?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Dishe:
go to the Titan section at PPCgeeks.com

PPCgeeks is more CDMA oriented, so most of the stuff is happening there.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mswlogo:
But didn't the development of the Unlocker orginate here?

I have been monitoring PPCGeeks too but wondered what happened to discussion here.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] leetsauce:
Let's revive the discussion.

WM5 or WM6?

Personally, I'm using the Alltel WM6 rom, which I do find a bit more snappier than the Sprint WM6 (although it might be because I did not install HTC home this time; I see no need for it). Some say WM5 is faster--and they've got the numbers to prove it too, with 27MB free. Since my WM6 usually remains at around 22-24MB free, is WM6's eye candy really worth that ~5MB it seems to take?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mswlogo:
You can't go by the free memory numbers and assume it will be faster. WM6 may for example have a larger file cache and it may be worth it for performance. You'd have to dig a lot deeper to really know.

Need to time real world apps (different for everyone) to really compare.

And the benchmarks would have to inlcude:

Startup time (first after boot)

Startup time (after previous start)

How many apps (or how large can a memory hogging app go before it swaps itself to death or crashes).

A good couple apps to test might be.

PIE, iGuidance, TomTom 6, Voice Command to name a few.

Anyone know how well Voice Command is running under WM5 on Mogul? Sure runs poorly on WM6 (but usable).
[Mogul, XV6800 General] skatsev:
Sorry if this has been answered in the past...

If I complete a full backup (SPB Backup) of my phone and then flash to another WM6 ROM, will I be able to restore all of my applications and have my phone act/look the same as it does right now?

Also, is there any way to just dump the entire contents of my phone (including apps and customized settings) to a ROM so that I can go back to it later?

Thanks.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
Best practice after a flashing a ROM is to not to restore a full backup...
[Mogul, XV6800 General] JohnH59:
Clean install is the best, but I have done a restore from Spb with no problems.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Zombie069:
So I did this on my Alltel 6800, told me I had 1.10 on the tri-color screen, but I did not want to flash new rom as I already have WM6 on it..

None of the exitBL progy's would work. All kept saying Unable to open USB port. Running Vista Ult by the way.

So I hit the hard reset buttons, but hit NO when I got the warning about losing all my data and it rebooted as normal.

Question is, am I still unlocked? or did the basically soft reset undo the unlocker?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
if you see 1.20 when you go to bootloader you are unlocked, otherwise you aren't. You need to disable USB connections in WMDC for the exitbl programs to work and make sure you use the special Titan_exitbl.exe (i modified that with the correct command for the Titan and it is available on ppcgeeks)
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Zombie069:
I got it figured.. I was canceling the update window thinking it was waiting for a rom.. Duh!! lol

Thanks
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tb5...:
aite aite lemme see here...

so i dunno if im in the propper section... i ben doin some research on this whole phone since i got it... i got tha... HTC PPC6800 with WM6 so i been tryin different programs an then i see this whole new OS... an it look wonderful...

so i search search search... black satin i believe is tha newest...

an it says this on their site...

1 is COMPLETE!...

2...however... not so much thats what brought me here...

an i ran this titan prog but when its about to run.. i see tha loading bar an it says it will take 10 min... but my connection always cuts off... an i get a error

right now tha bootloader screen says

TITA100 spl 1.04.0000

so im gussing its not right.. :\

if someone could let me kno whats good... or a link to a propper answer or walkthru to install this os that would be great...
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
Well i'm glad the unlocker hasn't worked for you so far because you are trying to flash a ROM that is for a different device. DO NOT DO THAT. Ok now that the warning is out of the way, try rebooting phone and PC, enabling activesync (wmdc) usb connections andt try again.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
On a follow up note, ROMs are device specific. There are only a few ROMs available for the HTC Titan at the moment.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tb5...:
smh... damn that sucks forreal... so basically i was tryin to put on a OS that wasnt even designed for my phone?

that sucks ill try re booting and syncing it up again...

now this part is tha not so good part...:(

i had tha home plug installed an its no longer showing up... so i went to remove it.. did that.. an then went to re install an its sayin unsuccessful ... a matter of fact any program i try to install onto tha device is sayin unsuccessful

:confused:

i mean its a newish phone dont mind a hard reset...

and im sure i can return it to tha store if i did **** it up tell them they gave me a ****ty phone an just get a new one an leave it alone...

what could be tha problem with it?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tb5...:
noone?...

*waits*...
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
Which ROM did you flash? Sounds like you need to hard reset. Also, please give us some more detail and we can help.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Olipro:
Firstly, your idiotic language makes me want to kill you. save the stupid gangsta' talk for when you're "chillin in da crib" or whatever bull**** you're into.

Secondly, you don't *actually* have Hard-SPL installed, so I suggest learning to use the forum properly and going to the first post.

Finally, your device is a Titan, not a Hermes... much like how your Arse is not your Elbow, so please try not to confuse the two in future.

the good news is that because the model ID for hermes is different from the Titan one, you've fortunately not killed your device, but in future, don't do such silly things.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] rally1:
I am running into some issues too. Just posting this so if others have similar issues they know they are not alone. Not looking for answers I will figure it out somewhere in the 40+ pages of post between here PPCGeeks and PDAPhoneHome ;)

Brand new 6800. On one XP SP2 machine TitanUnlocker fails to start (multiple downloads). "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135)...

On another XP machine I am synced with AS 4.5 . I run TU.exe get to the 4 colors SPL-1.10 screen, says USB at the bottom, (AS still shows as synced), then follow the instructions unplug USB, replug it in (no longer synced) Then it just sits there on Verifying screen, then Error (260).

If I soft reset after 4 color screen (rather than unplug/replug) then I get closer, because AS is active, and am able to start the flash, but it sits at 0% and says communication error.

I'll post what i find.

--------------------------

answers:

(0xc0000135) error

you must install the .NET framework from microsoft....and it runs on your PC not you phone.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] LTG1:
How do you set up the C:\ TempTtn and how do you check to see if you have .NET Framework on your PC sorry NOOB
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Wickedklown:
When I run the unlocker I get to the bootloader and a "Running SSPL" screen pops up on my PC with confirmation that im running the SPL 1.10.Olipro, then I have to run the exitboot app everytime. Well i know I need 1.20. I've downloaded the .zip file on pg. 1 multiple times and it installs with no errors.

Running Windows Media Center on my laptop, if it matters.

Any ideas? other then im noob yes.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] ImCoKeMaN:
you aren't letting the app run to completion if that is the case. It should run an RUU and flash teh 1.20 SPL to the device. at that point you are done and can use the exitbl app. before then a regular reset will get you back to normal.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
There is a step that you have to unplug the Mogul from your computer and then plug it back in before continuing...the prompts will tell you when to do it.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Wickedklown:
hmm well when I start the unlocker it takes me through the "are you super sure?" steps then it does its thing. Gives me the SSPL message this is when the 3 colors and the 1.10.Olipro show on my mogul. right then is when I get the replug USB instruction. but my phone is locked in the bootloader and never resyncs of course. I run the exitboot app. then I try running the RUU as soon as it start I lose connection with active sync and I got to do the battery thing to recover.

I don't stop any of the programs until im given a message or error.

Its probably something im missing so I was reluctant to post but after 6 hours..im against a wall!

thx for replying
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
When you plug it back in, your phone won't connect via activesync, but it is still connected, so continue running the tool in lieu of running the exit bootloader app.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] LTG1:
How do you set up the C:\ TempTtn and how do you check to see if you have .NET Framework on your PC sorry NOOB

Imcokeman can you help me?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Wickedklown:
Thx a ton!! that worked i got the 1.20 installed now. The #2 "make sure your connected to active sync" on the RUU through me off for a spin.

Thank you! and THANX a Ton Olipro/Imacoke
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Olipro:
New Hard-SPL is coming folks... watch this space
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
Outstanding. Thanks for all of your hard work!
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tb5...:
ahahahahahahaha BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

shut yuh nerd ass up LOL its not a language its a dialect... and its function is to help me type faster...

tha fact u even bother to comment on they way i 'type' or tha fact it bothers u enough that u would want to 'kill me' over it... leads me to believe that ur stay at home nerd whos only friend is prob his 'TITAN'...

so lets just play our roles here... u chill out in ur moms basement with ur phone comin up with ways that I... ME and others can use them in tha everyday world to make tha phone easier to function in tha way we wish them to...

now apart from that fisrt retarded ass comment u made

good looks on tha response i did hard reset tha phone and everything was cool again...imma wait for that new hard-spl before i try to unlock it again...;)
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Olipro:
actually, I don't own a Titan, you ****wit.

and feel free to wait, maybe a special beta release will be winging its way to you.

SPL-****er anybody?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] dew.man:
Olipro, please don't let tb5 discourage your efforts. There are tons of people around here that truly appreciate all you've done.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tb5...:
riiiight a spl ****er... that was a good attempt at making a funny...

and to dew.man... noone sayin i dont apperciate what it is hes doin...

but im not about to suck his **** cause he doin it... i dont care how hard yall want to shower him with praise for this ****... dont try an talk **** to me cause u ur somebody on a online fourm...

i see u oilpro
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jamesus:
That is seriously not cool. I am not about to get in a stupid flame war, but if you are looking to insult someone, please go elsewhere.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Olipro:
I see you too:
[Mogul, XV6800 General] :
What can I say: Excellent! The direct benefit of your tool for me is that being a Telus (Canada) client, I couldn't install the new rom Sprint recently released that fixes the bluetooth issues (and who knows when Telus will release his ROM with the fix). And now I could and did. All seems to be working perfectly so far. I was wondering if I'd have issue using this rom over Telus but all seems to fit like a glove. Thanks again Olipro!
[Mogul, XV6800 General] LTxda:
I really want to help here and draw parallels that may help you understand that there are other animals unable to grasp the concept of proper language. Read on and hope this helps...

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/01.22/01-monkey.html
[Mogul, XV6800 General] cmonex:
you are also somebody (or nobody?) on an online forum...

and spl ****er exists...
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tb5...:
HAHAHHHAAH WHY I HAVE TO BE WHITE!! loooolahahahahahah

thats may be tha most insulting thing u could have said to me

i am somebody in real life... REAL LIFE... u kno that little bit of light just beyond ur window... its wonderful out there... ***** galore!

and everyone else that decided to join in should be ashamed of urselfs...

yall need to mind yuh damn e-business... stop thnking u need to help ur frinds im not hurtin him... he a grown man he can handle himself...

itxda... i mean really... common that was lame and borderline racist...

*hands u gun with one bullet*

just do everyone a favor...
[Mogul, XV6800 General] LTxda:
Oh come on....if you knew what I was then you couldn't say it was racist. :-)

Don't assume :-p

BTW, I have my own gun with many bullets...in Texas we all carry bro and aren't afraid to pull it out. :-D

Ok last post from me....cya NIGGAS!
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jtrag:
Take your ghetto ass and your immature comments somewhere else. You should be banned from these forums.

Also, you posted the following:

If that's true, then why are you on here wasting your time insulting people that are far more intelligent than yourself? Shouldn't you be out smokin blunts, drinkin 40s, and gettin some booty from some ghetto ass fat black chick?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Scrufdog:
well if thats the case, I'll wait for it, while waiting for some customs ROMs that catch my attention....

thanks for kickin butt.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] delawaresace:
ok, i hope someone can help me. it seems that i don't have the most resent .net framework because i keep getting the "application failed to initialize properly(0xc0000135)" error. no problem, i'll just hop over to MS and down load the most resent version. ahh here it is 3.0 released last year. i down load fine when i click on the .exe file and i get "blablabla is not a valid Win32 application". what am i doing wrong?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] bfgagliolo:
Thanks for the code.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] delawaresace:
I downloaded 2.0 .net framework and got everything working great. I guess I didn’t need the latest version. Just the second latest version.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] geehova:
Ok i ran the unlocker and when it told me to unplug my device if its showing olipro 1.10 then unplug usb cable then reinsert usb. When i do that nothing happens and I lose my connection to the pc. Can someone please tell where I'm going wrong
[Mogul, XV6800 General] neilson:
Are you a racist? It sounds like you're making some borderline inappropriate comments toward our Minority posters on here.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Scrufdog:
when it did that to me, I just replugged it in and waited a moment. Activesync wont see the phone, but the upgrader did, once I started going through the new updater screen that popped up.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] sporklover:
X 2.....

I followed the instructions explicitly lol......

I would exit the BL everytime, and then try to continue.....

Now all is well.

Custom Roms here I come.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] DaIronFist:
great work fellas