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[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Nah I'm completely stock right. No root or anything. Just unlocked. But how can I root without running a custom recovery? Thought that's how I would flash root. Cause if I don't need custom recovery to root, wouldn't I be able to just take OTAs since I'd still have stock recovery. An than once the update is complete and root is gone, reroot again.
[Nexus 6P General] eman3316@optonline.net:
You can use CF-Auto-Root to root your device. Very simple and you will remain on stock recovery.

https://autoroot.chainfire.eu/#fastboot

I do not know if an OTA will fail if you are rooted but you can always unroot your device within Super User app but with flashfire there is really no reason to wait for an OTA. You can grab the file way before it would get pushed to your phone and you can install it and be rooted on the new build without ever needing to hook your phone up to a computer even.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
So that requires fastboot?
[Nexus 6P General] eman3316@optonline.net:
You install it through your bootloader mode which is volume down and the power button. If your already unlocked you won't lose anything but if your bootloader is not unlocked you will lose all your data the first time you do this.

If you are not sure what you are doing I recommend watching a video of it being done first. Also make sure you download the file for the 6P and not one of the other devices.
[Nexus 6P General] l_stevens:
Android pay?
[Nexus 6P General] chaco81:
i have been a Nexus user over the years since the Gnex days

I have tried CM, AOKP, Stock, customer kernels like Franco, ElementalX, Faux, mods like tasker, Xposed, Adblock etc etc

Since my 6P, i have actually stayed Stock ROM & Kernel. Any other combination i make, degrades the experience. Many get great battery life with Franco (used franco for years), but i feel its not the same with the 6P....

I do use TWRP recovery and Systemless root.... but otherwise my experience is great with the stock ROM&kernel combo

YMMV
[Nexus 6P General] 2dorr:
I agree that stock is the best, even though the battery with Franco kernel is better.
[Nexus 6P General] Balino:
I'm not really satisfied with this device atm. I never liked aosp based roms, I feel them "buggy". Don't misunderstand me, I know roms like Pure Nexus and Chroma are perfectly stable and bugfree, but I think the stock rom is somehow the best out there for Nexus devices.

That's why I always enjoyed Cataclsym, it's the best out there if you ask me. Never ever had a problem with it, and it always had the best and useful features I could have tought of. I really hope atl4ntis is going to come back soon enough!
[Nexus 6P General] bill3508:
I actually think this device is awful stock. I don't think any device I've had has been helped as much as this one with a custom ROM and kernel. Its night and day.
[Nexus 6P General] GeneralRam:
How so?
[Nexus 6P General] hopesrequiem:
I personally never use xposed. Gives a lot of options but I never liked the way my phone ran with it. My 6p is coming on Wednesday so I'll try it again then
[Nexus 6P General] Pain-N-Panic:
I honestly think xposed is one of the coolest developments in android history. Sure when it first came out there were bugs bugs but that's with any immediately released mods. Ive been running xposed since the third day of having this phone and I have had no issues. Currently running DU latest build with xposed and battery life and performance are above where I was at stock. All comes down to personal preference and what each of us want/expect from our device. This is the greatest trait of the nexus line, THE USER decides how or what they want their phone to run. Its beautiful!
[Nexus 6P General] quantumforce1:
I would love to use stock ... but you can't ad block -- and apps just abuse the pop-ups and such -- Unfortunately using non-stock roms kills off Pay -- very frustrated nowadays (1st world problems).
[Nexus 6P General] steelersmb:
There are a couple of non-root ad blocking programs out there.
[Nexus 6P General] quantumforce1:
What? Responses like this drive me nuts. No info-- just generic answer .. arghhh
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
The longer is use Android, the closer to stock I get. I appreciate the effort rom cooks put into their work, but more and more the reality of stock being best unless you want a custom rom with hoops to jump through. I'm down to just Xposed and occasionally a custom kernel and if things keep going the way they are, that won't be necessary in the future.
[Nexus 6P General] znel52:
Custom ROMs FTW!
[Nexus 6P General] steelersmb:
Well, you can do a search:

http://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/app-adclear-root-version-ad-blocker-t3309011

http://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/adguard-ad-blocker-doesnt-require-root-t2958895
[Nexus 6P General] Randomsmack:
Catamod +stock base +V4A. =solid
[Nexus 6P General] sherlock5545:
Haven't experienced anything like that. Been using a custom rom since the beginning and everything works without lags. Also, simply rooting won't affect performance on any way. You probably had issues with incompatible root apps or Xposed modules, if you had it.
[Nexus 6P General] 83097markcynt:
I tried those and neither works good enough. Adaway is far superior to any other adblocking app.

That alone is a good enough reason to be rooted.

Running latest Chroma Rom BTW with Franco kernel, no lag, excellent battery life.
[Nexus 6P General] Soft Phan:
I never use customed rom anymore
[Nexus 6P General] steelersmb:
I agree, I am rooted but I was just giving some options for people that aren't rooted. I used to use AdGuard on my Samsung S6 Edge+ and it worked pretty well actually. I now have a 6P so I use the built-in ad blocking in Dirty Unicorn's ROM.
[Nexus 6P General] tech_head:
Stock, ElementalX Kernel, Xposed and Nova Launcher
[Nexus 6P General] AndrasLOHF:
Holy hell thanks for this. I've been suffering through ads since getting my 6P because I'm a little burnt out on the rooting/ROMing thing. Did a couple searches for root free ads blocking but nothing ever came up that worked. These work well enough for me. :good::highfive::fingers-crossed::victory:
[Nexus 6P General] eduardmc:
Stock rom, elementalx kernel and stock launcher. Fun, much faster. 6 hour sot zero problem. In fact i use my phone has a navi for 8 9 hour straight working for lyft and uber. Fully stock not rooted, my phone rebooted twice and notice that it was because of heating issue. i guess it was because the phone was so burning hot. Now with elemental kernel and advance interactive gobernors, my phone gets barely warm while doing the same thing. Not a single reebot for a month. Still going strong and smooth.
[Nexus 6P General] :
I think having choices is what its all about. We all do what we want and use what we want and it makes us happy. That's the beauty of open source. We have unlimited options. :) I love pure stock and a good custom kernel and i use that about half the time. I also like roms with tons of features. I'm using AICP now and it works great and has things other roms don't have. Just had a big update and a few things added on 2/15 build. I'm a sucker for customization. Aicp has built in custom fonts for everything on the phone. Lockscreen, pull down, weather.. Date placement to right of clock in status bar, cmte, custom transparency options.. A solid rom with a sh&@ ton of customization and works great. Check it out on Google+ AICP community. Sleeps like a baby too with stock kernel. Battery is really good. Options is why I love Android. We can all use whatever we want and are free to do so. We aren't limited to one thing. ?

Sent from my Nexus 6p
[Nexus 6P General] steelersmb:
I agree, if we didn't want options we would be using the iPhone.
[Nexus 6P General] Azathoth06:
well,since I was in my ex-device M8, the Viper rom is amazing though InserrCoin and SD roms is better than stock htc sense rom but Viper rom is definitely better at all. but, here, sadly in n6p I never found a custom rom with something like that I'd in Viper rom. to be truthful with you, I'm really boring here!

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[Nexus 6P General] :
Exactly!!!! :)
[Nexus 6P General] androidbuff123:
No one is arguing that choices are bad for us. Just sharing what kind of experiences we are getting after making those choices.
[Nexus 6P General] MalekoUK:
Said this many times now...

I used to flash custom roms all the time. I got the 6P so that I didn't have to do it, and I have not once felt the need to either. It's nice not having to flash an update every week and worry about titanium backups etc. I can just enjoy using my phone.

In my experience all custom roms have been a pain. Some hardware not working, weird bugs...don't get my started on CyanogenMod!

Stock just works, and if there is a bug google will most likely fix it soon, thankfully I haven't had any problems with my 6P.

Also, love the monthly security updates.
[Nexus 6P General] dlads:
Got to say. AOSIP is a superb ROM. Best one for me up til now.
[Nexus 6P General] ataft:
I've been stock since I got the phone. It has been great using it, and there isn't really any feature I'm missing too much compared to my previous phones...

But I know the time will come when I will put a custom Rom on it.

Pure vanilla is great. Google has banged it out of the park on the 6p, but in my experience there is no reason a custom Rom and kernel cannot be better than the stock. Every phone I have ever had has ended up better off with a custom Rom and kernel. Sure there's a lot of trial and error, which is actually a big part of the fun, but on well made Roms the experience can be just as easy as with stock.
[Nexus 6P General] GTiceman:
Stock right now, was rooted on ym first 6P to enable a few build.prop edits, didn't root my new one as AP was patched at that point. Might root now since there is a way to use AP with root, interested in possibly trying PureNexus
[Nexus 6P General] EVOme:
Never even rooted. This phone runs like a dream out of the box.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Same for me. Feels stock with customizations. Stock and Xposed feels cumbersome.
[Nexus 6P General] 2dorr:
I still like stock for speed but the drain is horrible. Long live Nexus for fast updates that solve problems...lol
[Nexus 6P General] Benjamin150:
I just can't stand having my the notification bar and navigation bar not match the app I'm in perfectly. So I'm rooted with xposed installed so I can use Flat Style UI Bars. Battery life is still amazing.
[Nexus 6P General] beston94:
Absolutely right. I tried flashing a rom and I felt the phone was slower when I did. And the battery was mediocre at best. But this is only my experience. Most phones in the past were a lot faster after flashing a rom. But this phone is somewhat different.
[Nexus 6P General] cd78:
First phone I've not immediately rooted and rom'd. Possibly because I don't have time to mess about with it but possibly also because it's fine as it is and those speedy updates from Google..

Ads are p*ssing me off though and also could do with volume rocker wake and double tap, so will possibly do it at some point.
[Nexus 6P General] dlads:
defo mate, battery has been spot on too. :)

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with stock it's all the white backgrounds, can't stand it. I like dark with white writing, just looks crisp.

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I've had the absolute opposite mate ? Different roms maybe? Try AOSIP
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
Vegan is the best
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
Minmin gaurd had been working well for me, but after the Xposed update to version 80 it has not been working :(
[Nexus 6P General] jbreeze905:
I am rooted, stock rom, stock kernel, w/xposed.

I originally felt I didn't need to root until... ADS! I do not appreciate being bombarded by ads all the time! Youtube adaway was something I had to have. Now I run adaway... Which works great + (xposed module) YouTube adaway... Which also works flawlessly.

Thanks to chainfire I find OTA's just fine. In fact Google has been releasing the security updated images before I get OTA notification so using chainfire flashfire app I just flash the new image without even going to recovery. It's pretty amazing.

I think I will be trying out some kernels. First up Elemental X.
[Nexus 6P General] 3r0k:
I have had my nexus 6p for about 6 minutes before I removed stock, just personal preference, I like to toy around with everything.

If you go with ElementalX I highly recommend reading the interactive governor settings article.

Edit: Here's the post: http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3290605
[Nexus 6P General] republicano:
Im aware about this, its disappointing that you cant restore with a locked bootloader, I'm waiting for Google to have a online restore program so I can keep OEM unlocking off and have the device secured and encrypted.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
DU with Kylo kernel is blazing fast for me, much smoother and faster than stock.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
I can't find any article in the OP of that link. Is it recommended to use interactive? I'm just using the elemental governor setting now.
[Nexus 6P General] jakdillard:
shameless plug

I liked stock too especially since Google didn't put everything they make into it this time, but I got bored with it and started building my own ROM again. Since I don't use any of the features that are offered in most custom ROMs I decided to keep mine like stock and not feature rich its very close to vanilla, its posted in the development section, "The Clean AOSP ROM Project".
[Nexus 6P General] eduardmc:
I just notice that rooted stock with elementalx 10.0 kernel and running ghostpepper. I actually ended up with 6:40hr sot on my normal daily use, all my regular app install no other battery saving app like greenify etc. Pretty amazing that just replacing a kernel can actually do this. Love this rooted phone
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
Always rooted for me. Custom ROM and kernel. Quicker. Better life and extra features. The biggest one is cm theme engine
[Nexus 6P General] tkoreaper:
Bet you haven't tried Ubermallow with with Kylo Kernel... you wouldn't be complaining about battery life. You won't find those on XDA, you'll have to go to Despair Development's Google+ page.
[Nexus 6P General] Cerberus123:
Bet you forgot to mention that Kylo Kernel is so laggy.
[Nexus 6P General] Azathoth6:
you know,maybe you right but in this device. I mean, the all of custom roms in this device isn't perfect or something different. but in my ex-device M8 developer's page custom roms like Viper or InsertCoin or SD too much better than stock htc sense rom. though Screwed rom is amazing
[Nexus 6P General] tkoreaper:
LOL WHAT? Are you serious? Just go to their G+ page and tell me if you see ANYTHING negative about it.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Seriously?! Its easily the fastest and smoothest I've used.
[Nexus 6P General] Cerberus123:
Stock settings, that kernel is laggy. Best way to test is by going to Playstore, youtube, xda and scrolling the page just a tiny bit then letting it go. You will see how much micro lag there is.

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Make sure to use some others then.
[Nexus 6P General] tkoreaper:
Lol, right? I think this guy is confused.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Stock kernel is laggy, but not Kylo. Have you even tried it lately? Whatever is on these boards is seriously outdated, you have to go to their G+ page.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
I have used other kernels and I've come to the conclusion after testing nearly all of them that Kylo is the best. The others are great too and the devs do great work but I just don't get the performance I do with Kylo. I've no idea where you're seeing micro lag or stutters because I see none.
[Nexus 6P General] Cerberus123:
I shared my experience. I tested latest version running ubermallow rom. For me stock and elementalx remain the best. Franco is good but not as smooth. Leankernel is alright too.
[Nexus 6P General] farfromovin:
I echo the OP's sediments exactly. Same boat here brother. Maybe when CM13 improves in a few months I'll try it out but I am bootloader locked again as well. It ain't that bad though, not like I tripped Knox on a Samsung device.

Having the latest and greatest stock Android on the 6p is a GOOD thing.
[Nexus 6P General] Suicidal Chicken:
Why are you being an arse over someone's opinion? There's so many variables to consider when talking about what kernel is best, it's all subjective. He's stated that he finds Kylo's bad, which is fair enough as it's his opinion - EXACTLY the same as how you say it's great.

Personally, I find ElementalX the best Kernel, and Kylo comes 3rd (after Franco's.)

This doesn't mean that myself and him are wrong, we just have different usage and expectations.
[Nexus 6P General] AhsanU:
I think the stock ROM is probably one of the smoother experiences the 6P has to offer, but I'm so horrendously anal about the layout of my phone, it makes me sad. I cannot stand the clock being on the right side of the status bar, and cannot stand ugly battery icons. Granted, AOSP icons look fine, but I can't help myself. Part of the reason why I'm hesitating switching over to the S7 Edge is because of the inability to easily root and change aspects to Samsung's layout. Not to mention the recent apps/back buttons being reversed :(
[Nexus 6P General] bryce850:
Then don't switch it's not a upgrade in the least lol , and what with Sammy and LG wanting to kill the app drawer
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
That's not Sammy and LG. It's rumored that Google is gonna remove the app drawer in Android N.

This is just my guess, but I think Sammy and LG are getting ahead of the curve to get their loyal fans ready for it.
[Nexus 6P General] votum:
I cast my phone frequently. My stock nexus didn't have the option to cast to my Roku, only to a chromecast. All custom roms appear to be able to cast to the roku, so custom it is.
[Nexus 6P General] tkoreaper:
You both have rights to an opinion, but he's wrong. There is no lag... it's just a poor excuse. My whole family uses it (3 6Ps and 2 5Xs) and I've never experienced such a thing during the setups on any of them nor have I even heard someone make the claim except him. Most of the people here that only know of Kylo kernel and either haven't used it at all or for some time likely think it's been discontinued and that the dev quit, but he only quit this community and has never discontinued his work on it. Every kernel has their subtle differences and for the most part they're all roughly the same, but to say that ANY of these popular ones are laggy is a bunch of crap. I've never seen anything like that coming from DespairFactor, franciscofranco, or flar2. The only thing that could cause lagginess on these is improper user settings.
[Nexus 6P General] Suicidal Chicken:
An opinion can neither be right or wrong, and saying it's laggy is perfectly respectable. Again, it's all subjective to the user.

I find many ROM's and Kernels absolutely dire, but does that make my own findings and opinion wrong? No, it doesn't.

If he finds Kylo's kernel laggy, then so be it; It might well be, for HIS uses and HIS device.

Anyway, not gonna say anymore on the matter. ElementalX still takes the piss in terms of performance and battery!
[Nexus 6P General] SlimSnoopOS:
Really? Wonder what makes a custom rom see your Roku, whereas stock fails to. Just commenting on the scenario, I don't cast to anything.
[Nexus 6P General] shawn1482:
Google blocked casting to any device other than chromecast on all nexus phones with marshmellow which sucks and is one of the reasons i have to stay with custom roms or rooted even though i dont want to.
[Nexus 6P General] farfromovin:
Sammy devices are OK, if your OK with stock. Remember, once you trip Knox Samsung Pay will never work on that device, thus lowering resale value as well.
[Nexus 6P General] :
Not if you adjust settings right. :)
[Nexus 6P General] :
The more time goes on the more I'm thinking stock is best. Zero lag on fingerprint scanner and everything works perfect. I just restored my factory image nandroid and using ElementalX kernel, recently app to clear recents, fonster for custom fonts, Spectrum layer (chrome, dark) for theme and I'm happy. Think I'll stay this way for a while. :)
[Nexus 6P General] Bwyan Benton:
The day I'm not longer able to root my phone and try custom roms is the same day I make a switch to iPhone.
[Nexus 6P General] Rippley05:
Why do people say this? The day you can't root is the day you'll switch to a phone that you also can't root/jailbreak?

Man, that'll teach'em
[Nexus 6P General] Bwyan Benton:
Teach whom? I'm not out to try and teach anybody a lesson. That's exactly my opinion. If it happens it happens, I'm not gonna go signing petitions to allow rooting/custom roms.
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
Layers on stock?
[Nexus 6P General] buzzboy:
Yes, stock supports layers, of course you have to be rooted.
[Nexus 6P General] placebo_domingo:
Does root method matter? Tried once on stock and layers didn't work.
[Nexus 6P General] geoff5093:
I tried going back to stock, but I get better customization and battery life using Pure nexus and Franco kernel.
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Layers works fine for me with stock and systemless root.
[Nexus 6P General] :
I don't use systemless never have always system and I use supersu 2.52 and layers have always worked fine. If it didn't work it was probably because you didn't have busy box installed to system/xbin. :)

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I hear you. I get 7-8 hours idle and 1% battery drain on AICP and Aokp with stock kernels. Can't get the same screen time or idle on stock. I haven't been able to yet.. Shortly after my post I flashed back to my nandroid of AICP and been testing Aokp. Those are my two favs now. Never any issues and awesome battery and customization. :)
[Nexus 6P General] androidddaaron:
Off topic Just wanted to add that I'd likely put Aroma installer as one of the major Innovative break throughs in android history as far as customizing goes .
[Nexus 6P General] Pain-N-Panic:
I can absolutely agree. Aroma is just as revolutionary as Xposed. Both of those developments have given dev's the opportunity to create some amazing mods.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
I think stock is just refreshing and "simple". Much more customization and better battery can be achieved with root and roms without a question. It's just what you prefer. Needless to say, I am rooted and romd.
[Nexus 6P General] Miaow93:
Of cause the stock android is most stable.

But now ,i use the stock rom with rooted and xposed.

As we see ,i do can't use a phone with both stable and custmed . As the same ,a better battery life means that the performed may be lower.

It's my opinion .lol
[Nexus 6P General] frezd91:
My 6P is only a week old. Actually I'm stock and I like the experience. Battery life is ok to me. I go trough my daily routine with 16h away from charger and 3h of sot with less then 70% of battery keeping every single service and connection active (wifi, bluetooth, location, LTE, google services, facebook, messenger etc). I'm considering to root and flash pure nexus rom, but sincerely I don't feel the need.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
I was the same way. Completely happy with stock. I rooted and romd cause I can and it really does offer more features. Better battery life is a plus.
[Nexus 6P General] jeffonion:
hesitating between GS6 and nexus 6p. hard decision.:D
[Nexus 6P General] frezd91:
Pretty sure that in three weeks from today I'll root. It's only matter of time. I wouldn't bought a Nexus instead.

If it's not OT can you share your setup? ROM and kernel thx :)
[Nexus 6P General] acts4:12:
I'm running the stock ROM rooted with kylo 4.9. I am using greenify and nap time. Although I was very pleased with 100% bone stock, I can honestly say that my battery life has increased tremendously. I can easily clear 4.5 to 5 HR SOT.

Yesterday after a full day of work I still had 80% battery left, whereas on bone stock I would have between 50 to 60%.