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[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Pure Nexus, elementalx, xposed. Really happy.
[Nexus 6P General] ptesmoke:
ive tried all the Roms, all the kernels. just recently got bored and went back to stock. low and behold Im getting better battery and performance on stock....wtf
[Nexus 6P General] rheza02:
yep, just returning to stock yesterday. feeling wrong by doing all customization doesn't improve anything. and its run much faster too.
[Nexus 6P General] jayesh:
Exactly this. I finally gave in, tried a couple of ROMS and actually saw lag while scrolling in an app, that till date has never lagged.

Fenix for twitter.

Went back to 6.0.0 pronto and things are good. Wish i could do 6.01 but that breaks my LTE carrier, as the signal actually drops. 6.00 holds the signal all day long, till the cows come home.
[Nexus 6P General] sn0warmy:
The solution to your problem is simple. Update to 6.0.1 then unlock the bootloader and fastboot flash the radio from 6.0.0. This doesn't require root and won't break Android pay. Some radio revisions work better on various carriers, than others. Being able to flash the best radio for you, no matter which ROM revision you are on, is one of the best features of Nexus devices.
[Nexus 6P General] farfromovin:
I've switched a couple times from stock to third party ROM's and keep coming back to stock. I love the customization, but the dependability and smoothness of completely stock wins me over. So, for the next week or so (lol) stock it is. I'm a flashoholic though, trying to stop cause I go through so much crap just to run a particular tweak/mod/theme.

Formatting data and flashing different versions of TWRP to test f2fs on the data partition and having to backup and copy 90GB's of stuff back and forth is getting old. Stock works great for me.
[Nexus 6P General] jayesh:
It's not my first gig with android or flashing.

Anyway already did that before the suggestion and it was a bust. Two of them actually lost the LTE signal completely. 6.00 is steady.
[Nexus 6P General] evocalante:
He's just trying to help. We don't have your ANDROID IQ score.
[Nexus 6P General] Papote3:
Some of you that are returning to stock and seeing better performance and battery life, have to remember that a new rom is always going to be this when you run it for the first couple of weeks. You can't compare a fresh rom install vs a 1 month rom with 100 apps, all the data that comes with it.

Of course this is not the case for everyone
[Nexus 6P General] eduardmc:
Stock and elemental x kernel with ghostpepper. Smoother than stock and 6 - 7 Sot. Elemental left his kernel mostly stock and modified the useless crap from google, i can modified my speed, audio (speaker and headphone freaking clear loud), color profile...finally no yellow tint and super white screen..less punchy colors. Not a single reboot or lag. Even phone never get hot like ot did stock.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Can you share your screen settings?
[Nexus 6P General] intruda119:
Yeah Im sure at this point stock is probably best. Maybe with a good kernel but current rom has me going crazy for an update to fix the little bugs popping up everyday. That will probably never get fixed or just sprout something else up.
[Nexus 6P General] Giozer:
I'm waiting for my Nexus 6P just ordered.

I'd like to do the Root of my 6P only to use AdAway and some Xposed modules (Gravity box, Blurred System UI, YouTube AdAway), and some other application that requires Root.

How should I install Xposed? Which flie install? .zip file to install with recovery?

There are Xposed modules that could create problems for the proper functioning?

Thank you.
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
Basically you start by saying that people use the wrong ROM and then you make a list of things you can achieve with stock + root + Xposed. Why use Pure Nexus or any other ROM if you can have all that on stock?

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Android user since 2010 and I only ran stock for 5% of the time but I'm currently running stock + Xposed and a custom kernel and it's really surprisingly better than other ROM (apart from Cataclysm). I don't miss features from custom ROMs, performance is better and battery is better as well.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Running a custom rom is easier I feel like for getting updates as well. This may be because I don't know too much about rooting/updating/etc. So each month when new security updates come out and eventually whenever new android versions come out, I just flash whatever rom I want that has the update in it. I don't have to worry about flashing back to stock, etc. There isn't a right or wrong way to run. I was gonna try going back to stock but the guide to go back looked confusing lol I have my stock nandroid backup but it's from the previous security update and don't think I can update it from there.
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
It's not confusing at all. Download stock images, backup what you need (and take it out of the phone) and run the flash-all script that comes on the official images zip. Want it easier than this?
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
I'll have to look again. It certainly looked more to it than just that. I think I would want to stay rooted for ad blocking. And a couple other things. Anyway to restore my stock rooted nandroid backup from Jan security update and keep that and just update it to the latest February security update?
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
I don't want to go too OT but you basically need to:

1 - Backup your things;

2 - Take them out of the phone;

3 - Download the latest images from Google;

4 - Use the flash-all script/bat with your phone connected and on bootloader mode (this will format it);

5 - Boot once;

6 - Flash TWRP using fastboot;

7 - Flash SuperSU zip on TWRP for root.

You get stock, TWRP recovery, root and unlocked bootloader if you follow these steps.

If you already have a nandroid from January, just restore that using TWRP and then flash ONLY the bootloader, radio, boot, cache, system and vendor images using fastboot (I'm pretty sure that now you can use TWRP to flash images as well so that's easier). That way, you're able to update without losing root, your userdata and TWRP.

If you need any help, you're welcome to reach out to me by PM.
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
[MENTION=3224518]Spartan117H3[/MENTION]

Dude, your TLDRs are longer than the rest. That's not how it's supposed to work[emoji14]

I'm not going into much detail because this comes down to personal experiences and, based on mine, stock + Xposed > any ROM but Cataclysm (from the ones I tried). Why Cataclysm and why do I put myself in a position of possible contradiction? Well, because it is, in fact, different (imo for the better) than other ROMs.

First of all, it's stock based so that means that it's how close to what Google envisions as possible. The stability, performance and battery on that ROM was exactly/better than what I have now with stock and, compared to other ROMs, way better.

Second, atl4ntis is an awesome dev. There were a lot of new features implemented by him first. Things that I could not get with other ROMs (at least then).

Third, performance was actually as good or better than stock (that comes second on list) so it's obvious that I'm going to say that Cataclysm still comes first in the list.

Regarding your last paragraph, that's obvious but, again, I am basing my opinion on my experience (how else would I have an opinion?). I used my phone the same way with Cataclysm, Pure Nexus and now stock. I'm not saying that Pure Nexus isn't a good ROM because it is but I consistently had better performance and battery with Cataclysm and stock + Xposed. Same apps installed, same services running, same usage pattern. I also do not have Greenify, Naptime, Amplify or any of those. Not going in detail of SOT, idle times etc because, as you said, that's subjective but, again, I get better battery with stock.

Just to finish, I felt the need to chime in because I ALWAYS used custom ROMs. My Galaxy S1 was stock for only a few months (first Android phone) and since then, I always used Custom ROMs. Both my Nexus 5 and 6P left the box straight to bootloader mode to unlock, flash a Recovery and then a ROM and this is the first time that I'm stock by choice. And I'm astonished at the performance and battery I get without losing almost no features that a custom ROM would give me. You based your decision to use a custom ROM because you need X, Y and Z features and you're able to get those exact features with stock + Xposed. If I hadn't decided to try it some weeks ago, I'd be on your side of the fence saying that custom >>> stock.

Note: When I mean stock, I am referring to stock 6.0.1 + Xposed + Stock Kernel/ElementalX (battery is different depending on which kernel but I also got good battery life with stock kernel so you can count that in).

PS: I'm not trying to make this about Stock vs Cataclysm vs Pure Nexus. I just referred to those because they were the ROMs I used the most. This is still, merely, stock vs custom.
[Nexus 6P General] Pain-N-Panic:
Can't we all just agree that the above two posts from each user IS WHAT MAKES ANDROID AND THE NEXUS LINE SO DAMN AWESOME?!

Seriously though, we have so many options to choose from that there's literally micro debates in multiple threads about stock, stock/rooted, xposed and custom Roms and which combination is cooler or more efficient. Both of the above posts were informative and well written. At the end of the day it will STILL come down to personal preference. And the Nexus line allows for you to run what you personally prefer. That brings a grin to my face. Nexus til I die.

This wouldn't be a post in a Nexus thread without telling everyone my setup. I'm running stock/rooted/Xposed/ElementalX :)
[Nexus 6P General] Spartan117H3:
[MENTION=3257528]dastinger[/MENTION], my TL;DR is supposed to be just the bolded part, not the entire paragraph. The paragraph is the explanation.

Pure Nexus is also stock based. I spent some time reading about Cataclysm and can see why it is more appealing. I can 'feel' the age of Cataclysm and the depth of his expertise by going through his faq (especially his explanation of stock vs AOSP in relation to his modifications) and his change log. A shame he decided to move on.

I understand. I don't have the experience with stock, I did as you said and went straight for the custom as I was frustrated with my previous stock + root + Xposed phone. I felt if I ever need more than Xposed could provide, I'd have to look into a ROM to do so. This would be my first Nexus phone as well so there's that. I did mention that patches for bugs in stock can be done in a ROM before google releases that patch, but Xposed is limited in this.

Yes I know what you meant by your stock setup. I was just saying that my original response was mainly towards the op.

I use EX kernel as well with CyanLionR6, but I can't subjectively tell if I can see improvement. I just install it and take it for granted. I have heard many people say that Franco Kernel has higher battery yield, but considering I don't notice enough improvement from ex kernel over stock, it doesn't make me venture out to try it. My experience is based on the fact that I have similar overall sot/drain from the apps I use, not that I actively logged/tested how long I use them.

What I want is a benchmark for battery like we do for CPU/GPU. Something where you can control the working environment and only change Roms or something (this is very hard to do). But battery life to my understanding is mostly influenced by the kernel. Second to that would be any features the ROM has. And the only draining feature I can see in the pure nexus rom would be the weather information because location services usually uses the most battery.

I'm not discrediting your experience, I can take your word for it that you get better battery life because I have little experience myself. I just want something more concrete to understand why something is better than the other. The weather example above is perfect and very understandable. Information like that if sent to developers could help them improve the ROM so that they may compete with your stock battery experience.

I know we were considering all custom Roms, I just saw that those were subjectively the best two according to unrelated discussions that I have seen.
[Nexus 6P General] dmd3746:
Agreed I have tried a bunch of different ROMS and kernels and a few different combos give me great battery life and performance and im pretty sure android pay is working when rooted if you do it a certain way and don't use xposed
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
[MENTION=3224518]Spartan117H3[/MENTION]

Didn't understand that the TLDR was only the part in bold. My bad.

Pure Nexus is AOSP based ;)

I totally agree with you regarding the rest of your post. I don't know why my battery is better on stock and I don't want anyone to take my experience and base their decision of which ROM to use on it. Maybe I can get better battery/performance on stock and others on a custom ROM. I would also like to know why I'm getting better battery now even though I'm using the phone exactly the same way but there are so many things that I don't understand (mainly under the hood), that I really don't want to go there. I don't think that we can look at features only and find a culprit. There are probably hundreds of changes that we don't know about/see.

We all use our phones differently and there are so many conditions that may influence the results. What I advise anyone to do is to run both stock and custom for some time each (weeks is probably best) and make a decision. In the end it's like [MENTION=5188663]Pain-N-Panic[/MENTION] said, having a Nexus provides us with all these amazing options and that's why this line of phones is awesome :)
[Nexus 6P General] jamesn2k:
I've personally been flip flopping between Dirty Unicorns and Broken OS.
[Nexus 6P General] Pain-N-Panic:
DU is a sick ROM. Ran it for a month and decided to return to stock. I'll be going back again.
[Nexus 6P General] Spartan117H3:
[MENTION=3257528]dastinger[/MENTION], It's all good, I just bolded it as a summary/title for the paragraph that came next for those who didn't really want to read it.

Isn't AOSP based for Nexus devices the same thing as stock minus all of the system installed Google stuff?

As for the rest of the things you said, that's why I just install stuff, take it for granted, and use it how I want to use it. If someone can convince me of something that's "better," I'd be more than happy to try it out. I would have tried Cataclysm if the dev didn't quit. I liked his explanation and justifications. Shows his reasoning for what he does for those who were interested.
[Nexus 6P General] resynx:
Flashed Uberstock + kylo + xposed, this is the fastest setup I've ever ran. And kylo, after just 1 day, has given me the best battery life I've ever gotten on this phone.
[Nexus 6P General] tibere86:
+1. I used to run Uberstock too until Android Pay quit working on it :( . It's by far the fastest ROM :good: Flashed back to stock factory image.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Where is the uberstock rom? Didn't see it in Android development forum.
[Nexus 6P General] buzzboy:
Here you go:

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/orig-development/kernel-kylo-kernel-r1-t3241226/post63661380
[Nexus 6P General] andresantos:
To be honest I am thinking of going back stock. The things I get from custom ROM + kernel and root is greenify and louder headphone volume. That's pretty much it. If you would be able to tweak Doze and have louder volume for headphones I would be back to stock immediately. Another nice feature is long press recents for last app. Hopefully Android N sorts all this out with a great multi window support.
[Nexus 6P General] gregk232:
Is there even any point left to use Greenify now that we have Doze?

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My camera stopped focusing so I had to take everything back to stock in order to get the replacement.

Stock, no root, no bootloader unlock... and running like a champ.

I have tried Chroma and Pure Nexus, and I can safely say the only thing I miss is the ability to dismiss all recent apps with one button.
[Nexus 6P General] andresantos:
for me yes because Doze works only when there is no motion on the phone.. only time I have my phone standing without motion is during night and then my phone is charging anyways. I would like Doze to activate after 5-10 minutes after I turn off the screen whether I have it in my pocket or not.
[Nexus 6P General] cattel:
I was at stock for 1 month and rooted and xposed now, no regrets or anything like that. Really enjoying everything that i can do now with my phone... Stronger vibrations, Double tap to wake, custom status bar, Gravity box... So many things...

The ONLY downside to me is that every update i need to flash the new android and lose all my apps and other stuff... OTA is sooo much better... But i can live with it
[Nexus 6P General] Pain-N-Panic:
LOL!
[Nexus 6P General] rsalas187:
Can you provide a link on how to do this "clear all recents to the systemui apk" ? All searches come up with old post.

Thanks
[Nexus 6P General] gregk232:
Ok, Android N is confirmed to get an enhancement to Doze where it will work whenever the screen is off, regardless of movement.

Now, is there any reason to use Greenify? :)
[Nexus 6P General] takhawaja:
I just bought my nexus yesterday. I have had plenty android devices in the past, and first thing I do when opening the device is I root it, but for some reason I don't know whether if I should root the Nexus or not ? It seems too perfect as is, but I am tempted to root because of Adaway, YouTube adaway, and background play. Is it worth it at all to root ? Is the phone still as smooth as stock with ROMS like Pure Nexus. Sorry if it is too vague of a question. I am just curious to some opinions
[Nexus 6P General] farfromovin:
Worth it to root is up to you. While I like adaway, I also like receiving OTA's automatically and not worrying about keeping root alive.

I ran almost all the Roms out there. IMO, PN AOSIP and DU were my favorites. DU was especially quick. Of course, once you get into theming then the little quirks start popping up like bad themes, fc's sometimes, etc... The Roms are pretty good but if you like stock, I say stay there.

I left stock to run N for a few hours and I'm back on the latest stable stock again (the new MHC...). Stock is good!
[Nexus 6P General] takhawaja:
Well it has been a over a week and I am perfectly fine with stock. Thanks for your input:good:
[Nexus 6P General] Bwyan Benton:
That will depend on his these enhancements actually work. Only time will tell.
[Nexus 6P General] d08speed3:
Anyone move from DU ROM to stock + Custom Kernel? I feel like DU is the smoothest ab d fastest ROM out. Just can't compete.
[Nexus 6P General] Heisenberg:
DU is a very good ROM. I can't get Adaway to play nice with it due to their own integrated ad blocking (which doesn't seem to work). Another thing I noticed is that with the Facebook app I can't long-press a post to edit it, the menu never appears. That isn't a huge issue, but when something should work and it doesn't it kinda taints my experience of the ROM. If I could get Adaway to work I'd probably try it again.
[Nexus 6P General] d08speed3:
Go into system > etc...and delete all 3 host files. Run adaway and it will set upon a reboot.
[Nexus 6P General] Heisenberg:
Thanks! I'll give that a try a little later on. Now if I could only work out why I can't edit Facebook posts it'd be perfect for me.
[Nexus 6P General] d08speed3:
I have this exact same issues. If I keep at it..it will work but it is super wonky =\
[Nexus 6P General] Heisenberg:
It shouldn't be a deal breaker really, but I'm a bit anal about these things unfortunately.
[Nexus 6P General] Juzman:
For me, Chroma ROM + Franco r14 kernel and Art Layers is best combo. :)
[Nexus 6P General] Prattham:
The only reason for me to run a custom rom is cmte:D

And if i had to run a stock device without root i would have bought an iPhone not a nexus :sly::p

Cheers ?

Sent from my Purified NexusixP

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[Nexus 6P General] sherlock5545:
After running a custom ROM ever since I got the device (November), I decided to go back to stock with root and custom kernel. So far I'm liking it. I don't like theming the device. Most of them always have something I don't like, and dark themes always have issues here and there. Can't be bothered with that.

You can customise the quick settings on stock too thanks to root app "Custom Quick Settings". Also, given that Android N will have a dedicated API for them, I suppose this app will get even better in the future.

I'm still not giving up root, but I may be able to live without a custom ROM.
[Nexus 6P General] shadowcore:
Any proof for your statements except conjecture and opinion?
[Nexus 6P General] Rippley05:
Just curious..this is simple, but what happened to the old Vanilla Android screen off animation? Like the old TV set animation it used to have
[Nexus 6P General] gd6noob:
I will mostly likely to go back to stock with root...

I will be going on Vacation in a few days.. Even though most custom roms shouldnt have any problems... Incase that .000001 chance, I rather have stock where its even less change it craps out on me...

hoping when Im back in a few weeks, N would be more better... currently running N and my apps I used are fine... the screen color sucks.. tried to adjust it.. got even worse... LOL
[Nexus 6P General] spinkick:
I find the AOSP builds to be buggy and annoying; I, too, run with stock/debloated, ad blocker roms based on factory. Definitely not placebo.

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I thought that the idea of linux security was to only invoke SU access when needed, not all the time? I bet that's what you meant anyway :)
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
I'm thinking of going stock with root. But even by doing that, we no longer can receive OTA updates since we have twrp and root. That's why I've continued to just run ROMs since its easy to just flash each monthly update. Is there a way I'm missing to run stock and root and keep getting the new updates easily? That's really all I need. Stock and root.
[Nexus 6P General] Heisenberg:
All you need to do to update is flash the factory images then root again.
[Nexus 6P General] Bwyan Benton:
Exactly the same boat as you. I liked the ROM, but adaway wouldn't play nice. So I left it. I'm gonna try what the other member said as well later on.
[Nexus 6P General] justin83:
I thought the whole point of rooting was to get rid of bloatware and to get the stock Android experience. That's what this phone is. Stock Android with no bloatware. Custom Roms suck. They never work properly, you have to constantly keep flashing the latest builds and after a while the phone just starts to run like crap. Plus when you are rooted you don't get the Android updates. It would be a crime to root this phone. Just my opinion.
[Nexus 6P General] Heisenberg:
You must be doing something wrong, the custom ROMs I run never stutter.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Is it just using fastboot to flash one image file? I've read the guide, each update I'd have to flash everyone of those image files through fastboot? Would be nice if it was just one image file to push. Or is it really like having to restore back to stock each time. That's a bit much if so.
[Nexus 6P General] Heisenberg:
You need to flash each image, as my guide states. It takes maybe five minutes at most.
[Nexus 6P General] Bwyan Benton:
I don't know about you, but I consider 95% of the Google apps that come preinstalled

bloatware. I have messenger, maps, keyboard and camera the rest are history.
[Nexus 6P General] sherlock5545:
There's an app by Chainfire called Flashfire. It can flash factory images from the phone. Radio and bootloader aren't flashed, but you don't need to update them every time.
[Nexus 6P General] tu3218:
Have you used it before? Stuck on enumerating partition for awhile now.
[Nexus 6P General] sherlock5545:
I haven't actually tested it yet. Do you have root? It needs root access.