yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] dengi_it:
Just downloaded an update (499MB) for my Italian no brand Edge plus (the PE6 - edited! I thought it was PE4, it is PE6 instead! It updated directly from PE2 to PE6!)

I will let you know if I see evident differences. Anybody already tested this?
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] thegios:
Same here, will let you know.

PE2 was really bad in standby
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] flechinha:
Came, Talked and said loool

Who are you sir, to come here and say to others which things they must talk and threat everybody?? Don't like and don't respect others opinions? Go away, so!

Anycase which part didn't you understand over there in your country? We were only complaining policies and just SAMSUNG bad or careless updates, without any respect by customers! (This brand as already made the same with bada os, do u now what it is?) Only that and, of course, with another good examples to follow! Is the reason why this thread as so much replies, as a signal that the things are not going well and people are not satisfied! And if you want to be cleverer, you can see that you were exactly complaining the same thing - not having updates yet in your burgh!

keep calm and don't waste our time, please....

Regards
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] dengi_it:
Just one day with the build PE6 (I reported PE4 before, because a lot of releases in Sammobile were PE4 in the past days; instead it is the PE6) and it maybe too early for any analysis, but I'm surprised to see this evening (7 p.m.) that the battery estimated time is till 5 a.m. tomorrow morning!!

Today I used just a little my mobile, at the same time even keeping the phone in stand-by only I never had such a long battery life under Marshmallow!

Could it be that the new release has improved a lot, at the end!?! Hope so; let's see in the next days...
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Minerael:
Well then I'm waiting for PE6. Still on PE2 though... Boring :)

Indeed standby time is not impressive. I get about 5h sot only :/

Wysłane z mojego SM-G928F przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Aequilibrium:
The Italy update G928FXXU2BPE6 also has a changelist to 7980311. There must be a few improvements.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Drizzy xS:
Lol consider yourself lucky I'm lucky to scrape 3 hours
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Minerael:
Really that bad? Even with messenger, on 3g though, I get 4.30 or 5h usually...

Wysłane z mojego SM-G928F przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] :
Can we keep it friendly in here and on topic please. We don't want to have to come back in here again

Regards

Moderation Team
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] MoHuToP:
Guys, with latest pe2 build, I can easly reach 2 days and half, 4 hours of talking, 5 sot, all mixed in 50%/50% 4g/wifi. No FB, Messenger, Instagram. Most of the time Viber, Tapatalk alot, all the time K9 syncing 9 emails. Few disabled packages via Package Disabler Pro, no root existance. For my needs, this is awesome build, with great performance!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
Model	SM-G928C

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	United Arab Emirates

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Tue, 24 May 2016 03:05:25 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-06-01

Product code	XSG

PDA	G928CXXU2BPE8

CSC	G928COJV2BPE8

FOR G928F

Model	SM-G928F

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Spain

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Tue, 24 May 2016 02:30:20 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-06-01

Product code	PHE

PDA	G928FXXU2BPE6

CSC	G928FPHE2BPE6
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] salmanshah:
I also got update for my G928C.

Update Size: 373.18 MB
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
enjoyed flash guy:)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] salmanshah:
I am getting much better standby time (with wifi -on) than before, after this PE8 update without using any package disabler. Now I don't have cell standby time at the top consuming huge battery at idle.

It's been only 2 days so I am still observing few more days.

-Edit-

I have noticed that before the update my phone randomly kept using half of the cpu at standby time and waste battery life. I had to restart almost like everyday to fix it.

Now after the update it always go to as low cpu usage as possible.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] salmanshah:
My battery usage after the june update.

I had all the time wifi on, 2G network and brightness @ 25%

Charge remaining: 50%

Standby: 1 day 4 hours

SOT: 1 hour 18 min

Voice call: 1 hour 25 min
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] willie_wav:
I wonder if someone could give the link from Mega :).

Thanks in advance.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
if you like you can use this tool the baterry will work amzing

Universal Debloater-Mod for S6EdgePlus - v1.9 | AUTO-ROOT & BUSYBOX |

By ambasadii, +

[ROM] [SM-G928C/G928F] [6.0.1] [XXS2BPE6] [31/05] [v1.2] Pure-Stock ExtraLite Rom:good:
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] cryptonx:
updated to PE8, still crap.

10 hours on, 2.5 SOT. mostly on Wifi :/

Which phone should I get? the Note 5? I am sick of this battery.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] k4syx:
Just got the PE6 update this morning (XEO for Poland) and the battery is rubbish, to say the least. Previously I was able to get two full days of normal usage (I watch a lot of mkv these days) while now, after 12 hours I'm down from 100 to 12%.

It is a kind of bad surprise - it was always more or less the same, ok for me, since last November - but today it is so bad that I actually made this post here :/
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Spawn32:
G928FXXS2BPF1 is out on OTA.

My phone i suppose to be NEE but can't find that in the info on it ..

Kernel build date is JUN 10

No ider what they have changed :)

/Spawn
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
hi bro ,where are you found this ,?

It sounds so good！

i also want to try this , because i have still not found in sammobile
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Spawn32:
Hi,

It isn't on sammobile yet, just "over the air" upgrade, it probably will pop up on sammobile tomorrow or the day after...

/Spawn
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
thanks , when sammobile , it come out ,i will tell you
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Spawn32:
Don't have Gear fit, sorry.

The update for NEE is on http://live.samsung-updates.com/ now :)

/Spawn
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
THANKS SIR ,

i have found this but is for[B] G928G -F3[/B] TODAY C ALSO G928F -F1

1]Galaxy S6 Edge+ (SM-G928G)	SM-G928G	EON	G928GUBS2BPF3	Android	6.0.1	10.06.2016

2] G928FXXS2BPF1 firmware version for Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ (SM-G928F) from region NEE!

Firmware Version Info

(PDA: G928FXXS2BPF1 CSC: G928FNEE2BPB6 CHANGELIST: 7080791 BUILD DATE: 10.06.2016)

(Android security patch level: 01.06.2016)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] takeoff342:
Very very old Changelist. The last update to PE6 had an very new and high changelist. But that update to PF1 goes, why ever, back to an very old changelog. I never understand that kind of update samsung is running....

Im interested into maybe some news about the PF1 FW and the accu time.

Greez Chris
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
[B]this is i found about changelist and build num ber in sammobile

[/B]

The Changelist ordering only works if you stay with the same firmware VERSION.

In your example you have chosen a PHN and a CHO firmware and so Changelist orders are not relevant.

What is relevant is the PDA version and the PHN version is newer.

o if it's the same firmware version, you'd next look for if the build dates are different? If they were the same then you'd see if the changelist is different?

To get the latest firmware look at:

1. Android version

2. Build date

3. Changelist (if using the same firmware version

)

Of course none of this really applies if you are not changing the original firmware.

Then, you would either get an OTA, or use SmartSwitch to install the update.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] takeoff342:
Hä? Where i have choosen a PHN or CHO firmware? IF i choose a FW then the NEE as PF1 or TPH as PE6. All in all in dont know what your post will say :)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
HI BRO ,

Where i have choosen a PHN or CHO firmware THIS IS FOR EXAMPLE

nee is region code , [B] pf1 OR TPH ,E6 IS ANDROID VERSION

PF1 MORE NEWER THAN E6

I JUST COPY THIS FROM SAMMOBILE [/B ,FOR help to understand changelist

HERE IS SAMMOBILE POSTER

http://www.sammobile.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30291

MAY BE YOU CAN UNSTAND MORE EASY:)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] dengi_it:
This is very strange. In my experience the PE6 update has been a real turn around for the battery life

The device came back to last until late night while with the previous Android versions had troubles to arrive to evening

In particular the great improvement has been with the stand-by battery consumption. In the past even using just a little the device it did not arrive to night. With the PE6 using just a little it can last till 4 a.m. next day!

I must say that I had to reset the device after several attempts with different firmware versions so consider the idea of trying to reset and check if some applications are particularly draining the battery with this update

---------- Post added at 10:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:06 AM ----------

When I was very happy with PE6 for the standby performance in terms of battery long life, at the same time I was disappointed of the quick battery discharging when using the device with the screen on.

Of course when using the device the firmware influence cannot be that relevant as the processor and screen are demanding energy, so I thought that the battery was damaged. Strange thing in just 8 months battery life, but something possible

Well I have to tell you that I took the device to the Samsung service and they agreed that the battery was performing bad and they changed the battery at no cost, as part of the legal warranty

At this point my Edge plus has become another brand new fabulous device!!!! The battery lasts longer and longer! At noon I have 87% battery!!!!!

My conclusion is that we risk to have discussions around the firmware optimization and instead the trivial thing can be that the battery is damaged! Please check this, as my advice!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
i think next version frmware will be F1

TODAY COME OUT FIRMWARE IS FOR LUX

G928FXXS2BPF1 firmware version for Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ (SM-G928F) from region LUX!

Firmware Version Info

(PDA: G928FXXS2BPF1 CSC: G928FLUX2BPB6 CHANGELIST: 7080791 BUILD DATE: 10.06.2016)

(Android security patch level: 01.06.2016)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Balleknack:
I got the yesterday. Anyone know if they fixed deepsleep and battery usage? I loved my S6 Edge+ until I updated it to Marshmallow. Battery is CRAP :(
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] dengi_it:
According to my experience and the feedback from several other users in this thread, already with PE6 the deepsleep and battery usage problem has been fixed!

After installing PE6 you need to make a factory reset. The standby problem has been sorted out!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Balleknack:
I got F1 but I guess I can still do the Factory Reset. Thank you for the tip. Trying right away!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] dengi_it:
Good luck! I wish you a successful factory resey!

In Italy we still have not received the PF1 and I guess it should be further better with respect of our PE6, also delivered in many other European countries...
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] luka.miskovic:
same experiance here with PE6 update, i got it yesterday morning ( CRO ) and it litterlly halved my battery life. I tried clearing cache from recovery but doesnt make any difference as far as i can see. I dont know if i should Factory reset it or wait for next update
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] MoHuToP:
Guys, what is your experience after new june security update? Do you have problems after few days of usage? My opinion is may update doubled my battery life and improve my multitasking. Share your thoughts. Regards!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] alamatnitotoy:
Mine is bpf2
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
bro ,dont worry about this .

you need nice rooted and debloater preinstallar system app.

you phone will be work perfect

if you didnt care about warranty , you can debloater rom

and rooted , pe6 will work fine.

if you like , you can pm me :)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Balleknack:
Problem is sorted. Wiped the phone (factory reset) and recalibrated the battery. Let it drain til it turns off, restarted and it turned off again. Charged to 100% (turned off) and removed the cable. Started it and waited for it to go to 99% charged it back to 100% again. Now it works as it did in the beginning.

Thanks for all the help!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
G928GUBU2BPF5 firmware version for Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ (SM-G928G) (SM-G928G) from region ZTO!

Firmware Version Info

(PDA: G928GUBU2BPF5 CSC: G928GZTO2BPF5 CHANGELIST: 8394229 BUILD DATE: 14.06.2016)

(Android security patch level: 01.06.2016)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Eoin247:
Anybody know where i can download the 6.0.1 firmware for the G928A? Cannot find it anywhere :(
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
Model	SM-G928C

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Thailand

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:35:38 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-06-01

Product code	THL

PDA	G928CXXU2BPF5

CSC	G928COLB2BPF5

---------- Post added at 09:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 AM ----------

bro , it is true , i have tried help you to find g928a in sammobile and

also http://live.samsung-updates.com/

there are no g928a

which region is your phone?:confused:
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Eoin247:
I found one in http://xdaforums.com/att-galaxy-s6-...ate-ota-version-g928aucu2bpd5-t3373689/page17 , but thank you anyway :)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] luka.miskovic:
Hi guys, few day ago i factory reset my s6edge+ and recalibrated battery, to si if there is any difference in battery life but it acctually looks like the same thing now. Over night (8 - 9 hours) it drained 20% battery without beeing used. All unnecessary apps disabled, wifi always scanning off, smart switch off, nfc off, location off, etc etc... I dont think that this is normal, is there any fix that does not include rooting the phone?
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Eoin247:
Does anybody know if rooting is possible for the G928a model on this update?
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
G928FXXS2BPF2 firmware version for Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ (SM-G928F) from region O2U!

Firmware Version Info

(PDA: G928FXXS2BPF2 CSC: G928FTEF2BPC1 CHANGELIST: 7254923 BUILD DATE: 20.06.2016)

(Android security patch level: 01.06.2016)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] shihab143:
Iam root
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] iGordy101:
Hello root how r u doing? XD (sorry man, I just hade to)
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
flash

supersu zip from,-twrp [ custom recovery]

eg. like philz twrp or twrp of nobletez
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
Model	SM-G928C

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Saudi Arabia

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Fri, 01 Jul 2016 08:32:18 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-07-01

Product code	KSA

PDA	G928CXXS2BPG1

CSC	G928COJV2BPE8

Model	SM-G928F

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Slovenia

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:47:52 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-07-01

Product code	SIO

PDA	G928FXXS2BPG1

CSC	G928FOXX2BPE7
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] tscjoki:
Version PG3 ! has already been lunched over night , I'm just downloading to report
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] umbrokhan:
i like LL update because of the clock and weather widget. clock and weather widget look better when you use themes on LL.

MM update has changed the clock widget so old themes can't make the clock widget look beautiful no more.

which update do you like LL or MM?
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] takeoff342:
What is LL? Lollypop is LP
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] umbrokhan:
O my mistake
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Avinash804029:
Update Marshmallow

I brought s6 edge plus (SM-G928V) Verizon unlocked phone and I am using T mobile connection on phone.

So the problem is : My phone doesn't show any marshmallow update. I think, its because of T mobile sim .Since, i am not using Verizon connection.

I tried to update the phone with samsung smart switch. When i connect the phone with SMart switch, it does show the Marshmallow update but when i click on update it nothing happens.

I searched for Verizon marshmallow FirmWare link for s6 edge plus, but i could not find any ?

Could you please sent me link so that i can update with Odin or is there any other way to update it.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
Model	SM-G928F

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Spain (Movistar)

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Mon, 08 Aug 2016 01:47:41 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-08-01

Product code	XEC

PDA	G928FXXU2BPH5

CSC	G928FTEF2BPH1
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] MoHuToP:
The new patch brings for me 5% battery power for 1 hour of talking! Again I can reach around 8 hours of soft and 1-3% overnight drain.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] -iNCEPTiON-:
Which patch are you on ??
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] MoHuToP:
PF1 August patch, CSC code MTL. Much better multitasking, no closing apps in the memory, excellent deep sleep/ doze.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] -iNCEPTiON-:
I have rooted the device and installed Audax ROM
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
Model	SM-G928F

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Germany (O2)

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Mon, 08 Aug 2016 01:47:41 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-08-01

Product code	VIA

PDA	G928FXXU2BPH5

CSC	G928FTEF2BPH1

audax m10 now is already BPH5
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] -iNCEPTiON-:
Already using Audax v10 and battery life is good
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] yaniyu:
Model	SM-G928F

Model name	Galaxy S6 edge+

Country	Switzerland

Version	Android 6.0.1

Changelist	7980311

Build date	Mon, 12 Sep 2016 03:24:30 +0000

Security Patch Level	2016-09-01

Product code	AUT

PDA	G928FXXS3BPIC

CSC	G928FAUT3BPI1

---------- Post added at 01:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:08 PM ----------

it is true, more stable .
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] umbrokhan:
HTC, LG, Motorola got MM update. i think sony got it to..... Samsung you might aswell wait for Android N. now.

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-offers-android-6-0-marshmallow-update-for-galaxy-devices

and

Samsung LIVE updates

http://live.samsung-updates.com/index.php?device=SM-G928F

someone change the topic name to MM waiting ROOM...
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] vagenrider:
MM waiting ROOM...

:D
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] jonny68:
ridiculous still not got Marshmallow update and it's not coming into late February.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] nms247:
My old G3 bloody has it. 2 year old phone. S6E+ not an official statement or anything from Samsung about our updates.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] DemonSoul:
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/02/15/samsung-releases-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-the-galaxy-s6-and-the-galaxy-s6-edge-globally/

pathetic where is s6 edge+

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/02/15/samsung-releases-android-6-0-1-marshmallow-for-the-galaxy-s6-edge-and-the-galaxy-s6-edge-in-korea/

ok here he is, Korea....
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] boober78:
There are plenty of high end phone users here mate, and you know it is not necessarily related to salaries.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] umbrokhan:
some have O ready got the update.

S6 SM-G920L Model got it 11 Hours ago.

S6 SM-G920K Model for it 17 days ago.

S6 SM-G920S Model got it 17 days ago

S6 edge SM-G925K 17 days ago

S6 edge SM-G925L 9 hours ago.

S6 edge SM-G925S got it 1 day ago

Note 5 and Edge+ Plus left out at the moment
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] jrno1:
^ this sickens me
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] 0rigin:
1st world problems ladies and gentlemen
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] jrno1:
Yes it is
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] ChrisM75:
What REALLY annoys me about this, and everyone moaning, is that 6.0 itself will bring very little to nothing for our phones, it only really benefits Nexus devices, which only have the basic software to rely on.

Samsung has decided that when it updates the OS it also rolls out lots of updates to its own software, and that's what interests me. 6.0 doesn't interest me in the least, its just Googles latest bug delivery system, the updates to TW are FAR more interesting. If there were no updates to TW I might not even bother with 6.0 until Google had fixed more bugs.

Even when i had a Nexus the updates didnt bother me. After the update i was just left feeling that the OS looks and feels almost exactly the same except has new show stopping bugs, what joy..
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] umbrokhan:
i think people want Doze. well i do

Maybe your right. we all wasting our time waiting for the update.

But i did heard the Touchwiz going to include more edge features. and few other bits and bob's.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] ChrisM75:
I doubt Samsung will implement doze quite like Google does. Frankly its not that impressive anyway, and as for the rest, well, yeah, thats exactly what i said, its TW improvements that interest me, not Marshmallow.

What we really have are 2 options. First is to have it like it is now, a 'delayed' roll out with less bugs, and more Samsung specific software updates, or a faster roll out with only the base OS updated and no new TW features. I can guarantee that if all they did was to update the base OS you wouldn't be able to tell that they had changed anything.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Natherul:
[MENTION=5522616]ChrisM75[/MENTION] Im the exact opposite, I could not really care less for TW, I just want the MM update for post install permission management and doze. I like that bugs are being worked out before we get the update (even though Id rather see a better way of joining their BETA program since Im one of the few who like to tinker and help devs).

I dont even use the edge features as I dont find them useful Im afraid, I got the phone just because it is so gosh .... pretty :D

EDIT: also its kind of depressing to see that this thread most thanked post is that switching to iphone was a "nice downgrade" while I do not like apple in any way, its sad that this is a thanked post as its not contributing in any way to the thread and even if someone like to switch that we belittle them like that. I dont want to start an argument just point out that thats not really the point of the thanks button.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] poplectic:
Made me laugh though at the irony of people calling the iPhone a downgrade from a Samsung device in a thread about software updates!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] Natherul:
yeah but its also another thing for them as they dont have another company making a flavorless OS that you have to apply stuff to :P

EDIT: which also means that in essence Apple COULD delay any news of an update until they please and none would be the wiser.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] rafi88:
This would be my last Samsung smartphone. Very disappointed with the updates. Expensive phone and more than 2 months no updates. Thanks Samsung. I wil revert back to LG.
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] celeronix:
I'm annoyed by the slow updates as well. We have the most expensive device that company produced so far and I didnt have any updates for more than 2 months. The question is not what new features every update will bring. The question is to show people that you value them, that you think about them and their user experience. None of that is shown to the customer. As long as they get their money and keep their numbers high, nothing else matters. People are just numbers those days. And I'm talking not only about the smartphone industry. Pity!
[Galaxy S6 Edge+ General] ChrisM75:
What updates do people think they are missing out on?

Updates to the OS? You might not even notice the difference..

Security updates? How do you know you need them? Just because a nexus gets one it doesnt mean you need one. A Nexus isnt JUST the OS, it runs custom software elements that need updating separately from the OS. Samsungs software may not have vulnerabilities the stock OS does since large parts of the UI and VM are custom.

TW updates? You arent missing out on them if they arent ready yet..

I would also like to point out that very few other devices have 6.0, most 2015 devices dont. Samsung are not late by the standards of the other OEMs.