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[Nexus 6P General] Rippley05:
I disagree. I have had virtually every Samsung flagship. The touchwiz hate is still warranted. Don't be fooled by their marketing that stated less bloat...it's still extremely bloated, just not noticed by average users.

The Note 5 has some killer features, but it also took away some features from the Note 3 and Note 4. It feels like they're trying to let the Note series fade a bit.

Most Samsung fans won't admit, but over time, the lag, slowdowns, glitches and stuttering is still 100% there.

The theme store is ok, but it's mostly full of trash themes. There's are hundreds of options, but only a handful or two of actual decent themes.
[Nexus 6P General] 12MaNy:
..... and the Samsung section is huge and thoroughly stocked. Lol
[Nexus 6P General] kuraishi:
My best buy did not carry the 5x or 6p in stores. I wasn't able to find anywhere to actually hold a test unit in my hand. Ended up just buying one sight unseen. I imagine there are a lot of people unwilling to do that. I also would've bought one sooner, but the lack of payment plan caused me to wait till I had enough cash on hand.
[Nexus 6P General] RMXO:
While it sucks that they are not meeting their sales quota, as a consumer I'm happy in hoping this will get them to continue to lower the price of it.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Championing TW or any OEM overlay on a Nexus forum is pointless. Nexus is the absence of everything while overlays add features, functions, and usability not in naked Android. To many (but few here) those things add value. To them the absence of them is a flaw not a benefit. Most here by their very choice of Nexus feel totally differently and that plain Android is the way God intended it. Neither is right or wrong and to argue otherwise is to try to make an individual opinion a global one. Those discussions never end well.

Let’s talk updates. No one would argue that being on the most current version of any piece of s/w is, the majority of time, a good thing. But be realistic. As Android’s matured each successive major version has fewer and fewer major changes.

If you look at the 6.0 change list it’s far from major with Doze and Now on Tap being the biggest enhancements. A lot of usability enhancements introduced in newer Android versions are just Google baking in things previously offered by the OEMs. Ironically, even with Doze, the 6P on stock s/w gets battery life on par with the S6 and nowhere near the Note 5; both running 5.0. Most midstream Android updates are to fix things broken in an earlier release. 6.0.1 fixed things from 6.0 and broke LTE. So updates are great when they’re always beneficial but that’s far from the case with stock Android, at least based on history. And when Android versions have had issues OEMs have “fixed” them with their own s/w changes while Nexi users waited for months for a fix (EG: BT issues in 4.X).

Someone said stock Android is a iOS competitor. That’s not true. The OEM overlays with the ease of use they introduce provide a far more intuitive and user friendly experience and that’s what iOS excels at. How can anyone say that leaving the user with nothing when they plug their phone in to a PC or Mac is “Apple like?” A user has to figure out how to enable MTP if they even know what that is. And having to dig many levels deep in a settings menu and then click an “are you sure?” warning to add additional notification panel features isn’t very friendly either.

Stock Android is great for purists but not so great for certain types of users that either rely heavily on the functions other OEMs pack in to their s/w or appreciate the addition of non-stock ease of use features. Performance wise you could load up third party apps on the 6P to replicate those features and all the associated background processes and services they add would make it as s/w heavy as a Note 5. The difference is you don’t have to load up a 6P with features/apps if you don’t want to but you can’t unload a Note 5 if you did want to.

People should buy what makes them happy.
[Nexus 6P General] gekkehenkie11:
After my Galaxy S4 I swore I'd never buy a Samsung phone again. Then I read tons of reports on XDA from Note 4 users who said Touchwiz was now so much better, no more glitches, no more stuttering, just a blazing fast interface. And I got suckered in again. HUGE mistake. Now for the first time with the 6p I have a phone I just really love and feels like how Android imho should feel: smooth and fast.

I don't think I'd ever go back to Samsung again. Even if they get their Touchwiz sh*t together someday, there's still the total lack of updates and the frustration that comes along with that. God, I think I've really developed hatred for Samsung :)
[Nexus 6P General] RMXO:
I never had issues with my Note 4 but it was on custom ROMs, though I'm about to reset it back to stock and give to my dad to use.

I'm going to admit, I miss my Note 5 since work gave me a iP6s+ 128gb and is paying the bills on it so why not right.

I miss Android so much, I had to figure out how to get back to Android and the Nexus 6P was it since I got an invite to Google Fi and never have to worry about lack of Samsung updates. The lack of updates from Samsung never bothered me back then since I rooted and installed custom ROMs but since I don't root anymore, the lack of updates is a huge negative which lead me to a Google phone.
[Nexus 6P General] Shaftamle:
Let's think why, probly because they aren't sold in stores and the average consumer will not buy a phone they can't hold or see in person first. This device would be breaking records if it was sold through carriers and vendors AS IS.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] tech_head:
I agree. I looked at the MotoX on the web but no stores had it.

I was ready to tun out and buy it before I saw a 6P.

Unless people can hold the phone in their hand they are reluctant to buy, no matter what the return policy is.

Sell it through Best Buy and Fry's. Put it on display.
[Nexus 6P General] Pain-N-Panic:
I mean this doesn't surprise me in the least. What a stupid marketing decision to only release the phone via the Google store in the US. No one pays $600.00 plus for a phone anymore. You pay $100-200 and finish the rest in payments to your carrier. I got lucky that I was in a good financial position to throw 6 bills at a phone. But I completely understand why sales aren't where they were projected to be.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Since carriers in Canada and Europe are offering it most likely wasn't Google who decided not to offer it via the U.S. carriers. When Nexi were offered by the U.S. carriers they didn't exactly fly off the shelves. I seriously doubt Google would be willing to cough up the incentives, bonuses, and co-op marketing dollars LG and Samsung provide which is probably why Nexi: a) didn't sell previously, and b) aren't offered today. Carrier's are dispassionate and want to sell what sells best at the lowest possible acquisition price. Google's not really in the game; they're a s/w and ad sales company that dabbles in h/w.
[Nexus 6P General] rohit25:
i remember you.. you were the reason i was thinking of buying the note4... your work was awesome on Note4..... are you gonna start on Nexus6P as well???
[Nexus 6P General] chris9000:
Yep, no carrier sales=NO ONE KNOWS IT EXISTS.

Ok, I'm gonna put on my stereotype hat and just say it. I sometimes think Google is run entirely my geeky engineers who don't understand how marketing and sales work.
[Nexus 6P General] AndreaCristiano:
This is the reason I always say Google needs Google stores in the malls to counter act apple store and Microsoft store. I mean they have the nexus phones and pixel and chromebooks and nexus player etc etc this way people can see there product more. I mean it's not like they do not have the money to do it.
[Nexus 6P General] 2Pints:
Its in stores in the UK, and the shop demo units are bent, with a kink around the buttons on the right - as detailed with the bent after two days thread
[Nexus 6P General] Shaftamle:
Yeah well the iPhone has been reported to bend, catch fire, burn people and even explode, yet people still buy them. As was also mentioned in that post, if you don't sit on your phone or otherwise abuse it, it won't bend from normal use.

Sent from my Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Actually Google's run by astute business people who know mobile device h/w is a sinkhole for profits. The question isn't why aren't they deeper in to h/w it's why are they screwing around with h/w at all? Google's aggregate profit margin is 21.6%. Even at Samsung's margin of 11% a h/w division would drag down Google's overall financials. All the other Android OEM's are actually running negative margins (they're losing money on each device they sell). Amazon's tried h/w and they have as many resources to throw at it as Google and they have the world's largest store to showcase them on. How'd that work out for them. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] badboy47:
Remember the sh1tty launch. I was keep throwing money at my screen but google kept saying f*#k u it's out of stock. If google want to sell it more; make it available every where.
[Nexus 6P General] jejb:
Can you give us more info on this chart? Is it for one quarter only? Seems to be a USA only chart?
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
It's global and for one quarter last year. It's only gotten worse. Here's the article it came from which paints a pretty grim picture.

https://theoverspill.wordpress.com/...ts-the-wall-the-q2-2015-smartphone-scorecard/
[Nexus 6P General] jejb:
Thanks. Apple is looking bad right now, too. They've already issued warnings about their sales/profit. Given they are basically a one trick pony for profits, they have a lot to lose as the market matures and sales decrease.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Agreed, not sure why Google doesn't at least have stores in the malls or better sections inside Best Buy showcasing all of the Nexus products, and actually have them in stock at each store.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Three factors are killing flagship smartphones sales - 1) saturation in that developed markets have peaked and emerging markets don't pay Western prices, 2) the Chinese are launching "good enough" phones at lower ASPs and are willing to take minimal margin to grow share, and 3) phones have become so powerful that generational upgrades are less necessary.

P.S. - Thanks for an intelligent conversation. ;)

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Google's market cap surpassed Apple's last week. Google's worth is all on the back of search marketing revenue. Apple's is primarily from h/w sales. Google gets the same marketing revenue from a Samsung phone as they do from a Nexus. Why would they care how Nexus sells and why would they take on all the expense in sales, promotion, and support to fight Samsung? Their core business (marketing sales) wouldn't be affected at all if Nexus was killed tomorrow.

If Google were envious of Apple's h/w sales and margin it would take 5+ years and billions in investment to get to the same place, if they could get to the same place. In the mean time their quarterly and annual earnings would suffer from the investment and analysts would think they were on crack so their stock would tank. And as said above Apple's h/w revenue is in jeopardy so Google jumping in would make no sense.
[Nexus 6P General] jejb:
I think another factor, that kind of goes with your #3, is that phones have reached the "right size", with lots of great entries in the 5-5-7" range. The growing screen size was a big driver of updates, but I don't see phones bigger than 5.7" ever becoming the next big thing.
[Nexus 6P General] PaisanNYC:
I fixed it for you
[Nexus 6P General] LosserKlosser:
The same is happening to the iPhone. The market is full. Everybody has a smartphone. And most people don't care about the fact that they don't have the newest devices/the newest Android version.

Sendt fra min Nexus 6P med Tapatalk
[Nexus 6P General] AndreaCristiano:
I think the market will eventually shift to new every two. You're current smartphone will be the same for two years and then a new version will come out almost like cars but on a shorter cycle.
[Nexus 6P General] diegodbm:
Google can't be aggressive with nexus program, because the OEM's.

Enviado desde mi Nexus 6P mediante Tapatalk
[Nexus 6P General] Repentless:
If more people understood exactly what a a Google Nexus device/phone actually is they would sell a ton more I do believe. Its basically an Android iPhone. The 6P is my favorite Android device ever. If HTC builds a premium Nexus handset this year, I'll be a first day buyer without a doubt.
[Nexus 6P General] Mister-B:
The biggest problem here in Europe is that nobody knows about Google Nexus phones apart from a small number of insiders. You will hardly ever find one in a retail store here. But as soon as enter a large store you will be overwhelmed by the presence of Apple and Samsung. Add to that the fact that very few people in Europe are willing to fork out big bucks for an unknown phone. Most perople here are on contract plans which help to spread the cost of an expensive phone over 24 months. Those that do know of Nexus are also being scared off by the 42% price difference between the US and Europe.
[Nexus 6P General] MalekoUK:
My sister and her husband have just ordered a 6P and 5X after my recommendation, they hadn't heard of it at all! They were even able to get it via EE.

No advertising at all to let people know about it.
[Nexus 6P General] jejb:
They are being advertised in the USA. I often see TV commercials for them.
[Nexus 6P General] r3ix:
I simply love this device... My friends, no one knows that this nexus 6p exists... For me it is the Best android phone to the date
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
Been seeing many commercials a day since Christmas time in my town in the US for the nexus line too. Nobody really cares though if they go to a carrier and they explain its not a phone their carrier sales. And waiting for months to hear back on a project fi invite is really stupid too. I hope they have a plan in all this. Maybe they are planning to open up their own cell phone stores that have phones that only run on project fi. They are just using us as market research.
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
If HTC makes Nexus it might look like iPhone.

Because HTC one M10 looks like iPhone.

I don't understand why HTC copy iphone for?
[Nexus 6P General] riz157:
I can't say I've seen any advertising for nexus 6p in the UK.

Most people don't even know about it's existence nor surprising is not selling well.

It's stupid to think you can sell without proper advertising.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Here in Merica, I see it advertised quite often on TV commercials, and billboards, and magazines ads all over. But...still have not see one Nexus 6P in the public at all around Chicago, and this is a very big city with lots of tech geeks, and I haven't seen one.

Because yeah people will see the ad or commercial for the new Nexus, but then have no clue how to get one. Very very few people in America, like .005% will ever go to Google.com and actually pay $600 for a new phone, they'll go the Play Store, and see the price of $599, and laugh, and think WTF, no way. My brand new iPhone 6S only cost me $99 down, why would I pay $500+ for something I am not familiar with.

Google needs to put these in carrier stores like Apple does with the iPhone, but they don't need to be handcuffed to the carrier for updates or anything. The iPhone doesn't wait for the carrier to approve their iOS updates. Google needs to do the same.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Not surprised. N5X is a failure.

Also carrier excuse? Article says N5 best selling. I recall, N5 was not sold by AT&T. Was it sold by other carriers?

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It is at Best Buy. It is where I am picking up my 6P.
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
Which Best Buy has the Nexus 6P actually in store on display ? Around Chicago_land it's nowhere to be seen.
[Nexus 6P General] hopesrequiem:
Agreed htc nexus would be dope so long as they choose a good camera sensor.

And for the nexus 5, both sprint and t mobile sold that one for the person who was asking
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Beat Buy in MA and NH. Few I went to were taking orders but having issues keeping them in stock. Have not seen display yet but don't seem to need them since every store is sold out.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Project Fi invites take months? I am quite active on the Fi subreddit and it seems to be a week at most. And they have had a few instant approval periods.

Carrier subsided phones are going extinct and for good reason. Really happy to see google pave the path here and hope they are successful.

These phones are constantly sold out. I find it hard to believe they aren't meeting their numbers.
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
Just because they are sold out doesn't mean they have met "their" performance expectations
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
And this article doesnt know either. Usually sold out is a good indicator of strong performance though.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
You are right. I was going off of what I read. I jumped ship and have my Fi sim arriving tomorrow. It took 2 weeks for the invite, so I did not wait as long as I was expecting.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
If you already own a Nexus 5 (2013), you will barely want to upgrade to a Nexus 5X. The Nexus 6P is a better upgrade in terms of performance and usability but the device itself is not rugged at all. It will warp or bend sooner or later, no matter how much you take care. That´s the biggest flaw and a huge disappointment. Just be warned if you want to get this device and use it naked or with a soft TPU case which won´t stabilize the weak mechanical build quality.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
That's just simply not a true fact at all. Perhaps your opinions, but thousands and thousands of people have had their device since day 1 with and without cases and have no issues at all with warping or bending.
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
There isn't a weak mechanical structure
[Nexus 6P General] Zorachus:
With so many good SD820 phones due out in the next couple of months, I'll pass on the red hot 810 Nexus 6P for now, maybe wait for the HTC Nexus-Seven coming in September.

The Galaxy S7 Edge with a 5.5" screen and CM13 ROM would be a nice device to hold over until the HTC Nexus phone. Or the 5.6" LG G5 rooted and running CM13 ROM would be sweet too.
[Nexus 6P General] A0425A:
What he said...
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
I haven't seen my phone get anywhere near "red hot" in the 3+ months I've had it.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P General] Deekayy:
The phone being "red hot" is so subjective to people on many levels. Any phone will get warm up to hot depending on your usage and your sensitivity to temperature. Not buying the phone because people are saying that it is hot is just too silly. If you want to buy it. then buy it. If you don't, then don't say i won't buy it because I read this and that.

The phone has never been hot for me on any kind of applications I use. Just warm.
[Nexus 6P General] UltimateFail:
agree completely. it gets warm while warming up - but think about that for a moment...

electronics conduct & use electricity.

electricity generates waste heat, which we can sense.

with a PC, you generally wont notice heat - it has fans, cooling tech, the space to store those things... a phone, almost any phone at this point, with the form factor and specs that consumers are willing to purchase, has no physical room to mitigate waste heat.

that's just how physics works.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
I agree. I have had no overheating issues with the 6p. It only gets warm when used for long periods. I don't really play games. My s6 got almost hot enough to burn under the same usage in less time. The 6p design must be far superior at heat dissipation. Heat is a non issue.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Because it thermal throttles...

We use the GFXBench Battery Test to check if these moderate temperatures are a result of excessive throttling. The test repeats the T-Rex test thirty times and logs the performance, the temperature increase and the battery capacity. The results show that the processor can only utilize its full performance in the first run, the second pass is 5% slower and it will continue to drop. The graph reaches the bottom after 25 passes, where the*Snapdragon 810*loses around 25% of its original performance.*​

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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Nexus-6P-Smartphone-Review.156819.0.html
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
Ahh.. That's my problem then. I don't run benchmarks. I'm just using the phone normally and playing games (room series, Madden, etc...). I haven't felt it get hot nor has it ever not ran fast.

I'll let you know once I start feeling the need to purposefully cause it to throttle heavily running benchmarks for no reason.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P General] Chad_Petree:
Google should make the valentin's day discount permanent in europe, the nexus 6p costs 650 eur , what a joke! at least the retailers here are slashing the nexus 5x's price, it costs 340 eur (the 16 gb version) and 400 eur (the 32 gb version) ...
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
5x cost 389$CAD in Canada.
[Nexus 6P General] l_stevens:
Amazing. Cheaper in Canada than in the US.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Wooosh. Right over your head. If you read the article it talks about extended load causing throttling. T-Rex is just being used to measure when and how much throttling is applied. The article also compares the 6P to the OnePlus 2 which also uses S-810.

There are similarities to the same SoC inside the*OnePlus 2: The latter can maintain a steady performance for around three passes, but it will drop faster to the final value that is around 30% lower than the original result. The problem is that the chip has less performance reserves because of the QHD resolution compared to the FHD panel of the OnePlus 2. The throttling could therefore also be an issue after a while when you play very demanding games.​

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Here's a video showing the throttling. That S-810 devices throttle isn't news.

[YOUTUBE]qYHsEtlEjTw[/YOUTUBE]

Sadly for 6P fans the phone you love uses one of the worst SoC's on record. Qualcomm's stocks slid 20% because of the failure of the S-810. Everyone, including Qualcomm, can't wait for the S-820 to be released so the S-810 can be forgotten. And that'll happen this week at MWC when the SGS7, LG G5, and HTC M10 all launch with S-820.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Do you even have a 6p? I have seen very little to no complaints about overheating or performance issues due to throttling in normal usage. And most importantly I have not seen any issues in my personal usage.

Edit: And no **** sherlock, something better is around the corner? Like XDA posters don't know this. Between this and you constantly just egging on the bending thread, I am not sure really what you are trying to do here. Just cause drama for ****s and giggles?
[Nexus 6P General] yiyi28:
You don't see them in carrier stores, don't see them in Bestbuy or fry's. How the fxxx would a nongoogle fan buy a phone with no payment plan no try on no support from carrier?
[Nexus 6P General] ataft:
LOL, fastest phone I've ever used, man. Whether that is confirmed in subjective benchmarks or not, best user experience I've had with android.

Quit trolling the 6p forum.
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
Could you imagine a current spec note 4 with stock Android and front facing speakers.... Perfect device!!!!!
[Nexus 6P General] l_stevens:
GREAT post! Welcome to the forum! Are you a writer/journalist? :good: