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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] okc_car_dude:
Looks like the US version may get a fingerprint sensor!

These are screenshots of a video they recently posted on the US Alcatel Facebook page. Looks like the Idol 4S or 4 Pro back, but they specifically state Android and further show the Marshmallow cartoon to drive Android home.

If they are taking so long with the US launch because the y decided yo add the fingerprint sensor, after all... I'm totally cool with that!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Alca...ndroid-based-Idol-4-Mini-also-spotted_id79426

Quote from there - "Display aside, the Idol 4 Pro appears to be besting the Idol 4S in most other areas. Reportedly, the new Windows 10 phone is powered by Qualcomm's top of the line Snapdragon 820 processor, further offering 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of internal memory, and a 3000 mAh battery. On the back, the Idol 4 Pro has a fingerprint scanner and a 21 MP camera, while on the front we can find an 8 MP camera with LED flash"
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Too bad there is no root available :(
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
You have Idol 4 in Your hands?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] famewolf:
Are both models windows 10? That makes me not feel any guilt about jumping ship to the moto g4 (although of course my idol 3 will still be active).
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Yes I do! :)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
Great, can You please answer to my questions - http://xdaforums.com/idol-3/general/idol-4-4s-t3306872/post67569550#post67569550
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
2) Don't know, I suppose so. At least sim 1 does

4) Don't know, I don't think so. But you can find the answers to your question(s) on mobile comparison websites

5) No it does not
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
Hmm, some site say Glonass, some don't, that's why I'm asking. Apps, like inViu GPS ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.enaikoon.android.inviu.gpsdetails&hl=en) should help to figure out.

About Estonia -n language, Android 6 should include more than 70 languages. I don't know from where and for what region did You get Your phone, but seems, that Alcatel send's different models to different locations. I DE and UK Amazon, the package contains VR, in Russia package is without VR, and all all labels, even then powersupply, have notes in cyrillic.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
What about language "Eesti"?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Default languages are supported, so this is not supported. But why use another language? I'm Dutch and although my language is supported, I still set my phone to English
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
I can use english, but I don't like english time and date format, but this is binded to language.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
That's a different setting! As you can see below the time isn't shown as 11:30AM ;) I hate that too haha.

The date is shown in international format: Fri, Jul 8
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
But what is the date format? I prefer (today) 08.07.2016. Have You tried Morelocale2 to activate more languages - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.c_lis.ccl.morelocale&hl=en

And what about notification led, is it multicolor or not? Can You test with Led Color Tester - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.coolbeans.ledtester&hl=en
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
As you said before, the front flash functions as a notification LED too, it's white only and always pulsates. During charing it remains solid white (which I hate btw, since It's too bright when trying to sleep so I always flip the phone).
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
Try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rageconsulting.android.lightflow or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ledblinker.pro or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koo.lightmanagerpro&hl=en

They give a lot options, includinf led brightness.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Those need root, which is unavailable on the IDOL 4 :(
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
For different type notifications, root is not needed.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
In-depth Idol 4S Review (English)

[YOUTUBE]cUfyiSfo-wY[/YOUTUBE]
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] benjmiester:
Just watched, I think I saw one of your comments on there :D It looks really really good. I was thinking I might want the Axon 7 more, but now I don't really think so. I don't game much if at all lately so I don't really care about the extra horsepower and with the silky smoothness of android lately, I definitely don't need it for the ui. Plus, I was thinking the extra 140mha the Axon has would make battery life better on it but with the proven super efficient 6 series SD in the Idol I don't really think there will be much difference. It's even possible it will do better actually, given that the also proven efficient exynos version of the S7 gets almost 20% better battery life than the SD820 version according to GSM Arena's battery testing!! Man, they need to bring that 4s to the states ASAP!!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
Haha it is funny you say that. I was focused solely on the Idol 4S initially but the Axon 7 is starting to gain my attention. The Idol 3 was a steal at the launch and unrivaled at $199 but with the 4S being priced higher, the competition is higher as well.

The Axon 7 has the things that I value the most the Idol 3 (powerful front-facing speakers, near-stock experience, little/no bloatware, commitment to upgrading to the latest software). In terms of the brand new features, the review states that the 4S camera is nearing flagship level but from the initial impressions of the Axon 7 camera, it is apparently one of the best cameras on a smartphone with a 21 megapixel camera sensor. In terms of future-proofing, the Axon 7 has a fingerprint scanner which, unfortunately, is missing from the 4S.

However, in terms of style and visual appeal, I think the 4S is much more trendy and stunning. While the Axon 7 looks decent, but not unique or fashionable. It looks like a HTC 10 basically. Also, I have grown accustomed to things like reversible mode and Double Tap To Wake with Alcatel and so I am hesitant about switching from the tried-and-true brand.

I guess it truly comes down to price now. If (based on the rumors I've heard) the 4S is $399 and the Axon 7 is $499 then the decision is pretty obvious for me personally, but at/near the same price, it will be a lot tougher. I think I have at least another year left in my Idol 3 before I can convince myself to upgrade and so hopefully the dust will have settled by then (and the pricing lol) and I can make an informed decision.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
From where can You buy Idol 4s for 399.- USD (361.- EUR)? In Amazon.de Idol 4S costs 455.- EUR (502.- USD).
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] JLLE:
I am pretty curious about a good test of the AXON 7, there's for instant no really good reasons to switch. And what about the reliability?....

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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
In Gsmarena ( http://www.gsmarena.com/alcatel_idol_4-reviews-7897.php ) is a complaint about Marshmallow bug - "I don't care about that anymore, because I've sent my Idol 4 and Idol 4S back to amazon. The phones are really nice, but currently it seems that they didn't reconnect to mobile datas when you're leaving a wifi-network (or switching manually back). Only a restart of the phone (or sometimes the activated flightmode) is getting the mobile data network back. So I am waiting for the first (or maybe 2nd) Update for these phones and I'll get these phones a little bit cheaper then. ;)"

Does this bug exist?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] famewolf:
Larger development community....Primary reason 1) quick charge 3.0 with SD617 (charge 15 minutes for 1 hour of power). Carrier not acting like Alcatel and turning off features randomly, not providing source..in general being a pain. Primary reason 2) Battery life is substantially higher on marshmallow..I can carry the phone around...run errands and not have to keep a charger in my pocket...plus I actually wanted to see what it took to get rid of amazon's ad's...turns out they made the whole process so easy pretty much day 1 you can unlock bootoader, root, put in twrp and flash a vanilla g4 rom on it.

I'm also working with a ZTE Zmax2 (The AT&T Gophone which has not been rooted yet but is selling for $60 at bestbut.com).....lot of performance in a cheap cheap handset.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
Would be wise get Idol 4 Pro and install custom Android ROM:).
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
After my post, I saw another one of the reviewer's comparison videos (OnePlus3 vs Axon 7) and it was literally like night-and-day. The Axon 7 is very mediocre in low-light and underperforms the OP3 in all except the most optimally lit setups. I am happy with the Idol 3's photos when there is a lot of light so Axon 7no longer distinguishes itself based on photo quality. That was a big contributing factor for my interest

Yeah I did see that. I am concerned that they might just tier the Idol 4S into some super souped up version that is redundant and the only true value added is the fingerprint scanner. For example:

Idol 4S: 3 GB RAM and 16GB Storage

Idol 4S Pro: 4GB Ram and 32GB Storage & Fingerprint scanner

In my opinion, the Idol 4S (hopefully) won't be struggling with 3GB and you can expand storage much more cheaply via a microSD card and so consumers might end up paying an extra $50-$100 for essentially just a fingerprint scanner. I don't want to pay for extra RAM that is never utilized or storage that I can buy more cheaply on my own.

Good investigative skills. $399 seems pretty inexpensive for the Axon7 but for me personally, it is out of the running because its camera doesn't provide as much of a differentiatior as I originally assumed. Also, it might sounds miniscule to some but I use my FM Radio frequently and the Axon 7 doesn't have an FM Radio.

Yeah, I don't know many phones but I knew it looked like something HTC created :laugh:
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] techware7:
Axon 7 camera suck big timers. Take a look at all youtube comparison videos. Low light is a joke. I had some hopes for the Axon 7 but looking at that low excuse of a camera with lack in focus, color, motion, detail, light makes this phone a complete no no for me. Skipping the Axon 7.

https://youtu.be/iln4VouVW-Q

Sent from my XT1575
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
http://pocketnow.com/2016/07/13/alcatel-idol-4s-pre-orders-in-us-up-on-july-15

$350 price tag. Fingerprint scanner. July 15th is when preorders start an August 3rd is when it ships.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] okc_car_dude:
Fingerprint Sensor Confirmation from Alcatel! https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154341131019695&id=272655004694
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] okc_car_dude:
I have never tried to mess with custom ROM's, but as an Android idle for pro doesn't exist, would it not be hard to get all the drivers and settings and whatnot to be fully operational on Android?

For those of you that might not have read the article, $349 is not the regular price. It is only the pre-order price. The normal price tag will be at $399.99, so says Pocketnow.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
European users will be very mad, especially these who payed from 4S, without fingerprint, 455.- EUR (502.- USD).
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] okc_car_dude:
That's just the pre-order special price, then it will be $399... But yeah, I thought the same thing from the first time I saw the fingerprint sensor tease.

First, we get the Marshmallow update before Europe. Then, our Idol 4S gets a fingerprint sensor... And now, it's launched at a super low price, comparatively. I figure some European customers have got to be furious at Alcatel.

I thought, maybe American dollars just translate to more Chinese currency? But nope! Euro launch price of 455 vs our launch price of $399 equals a difference of about 700 Chinese Yuan!

However, please let me shed some light on how the American Market phone sales work before someone flies off the handle (gets suddenly, often irrationally angry) at Alcatel or us, lol.

Our phones have consistently been priced lower than Europe's, and I believe it is because carrier subsidized phones are so prevalent here, and have been for a very long time now. Example 1, we could have the exact same no contract phone for one carrier that is half the price on a competing carrier, because the 1st carrier is subsidizing the cost, trying to get new customers. (Also, did you know the Cricket version of the Idol 3 was $100 less than the unlocked US version at launch!?) Example 2, the Galaxy S7 is currently about $650 here. However, if you put it on a 2 year payment agreement, you will actually only be paying about $450 for the phone.

You see, when so many of us have credit to get that great price through our existing carrier... especially for late model phones for around $450... There just aren't many who are going to pay the same price or more for some Unlocked model without carrier subsidization... Therefore, if unlocked manufacturers want to sell in our Market, they have to price their units very competitively. Either that, and/or try to get a contract to sell directly to a carrier, so that they may later subsidize the price for their customers... I believe this is why unlocked phones have been so very slow to gain ground here.

I hope this makes sense. =)

Oh, and carrier = wireless service provider.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Gorep1xel:
I think they are good offerings but wouldn't buy one, the Idol 4 is a slightly smaller, slightly better Idol 3, with the difference being the LTPS display, more RAM in the top version and a better SoC, it isn't justifiable for me to buy a nearly identical device when my Idol 3 costed me $130 nearly new. As for the Idol 4S, its too expensive and doesn't differentiate itself from the competition, the Axon 7 has a "in my opinion" worse design but better specs, while the OP3 has nice specs and design but the audio (important for me) disappoints. And if I'm going to spend that much money, I might as well buy a flagship like the HTC 10 and go all the way, good camera, good audio (not that loud though), good specs and design and most importantly (I would spend the $500 for this) the development community.

I've always got burned with my past phones since they had no community, my HTC One V was CDMA so it was dead, the same with my Moto E2, now I got the Idol 3 and boy is it different!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
I did return my Moto G 2014 last October and have searching since then a new 5-5,2" alternative, almost got OnePlusX, but skipped, as OnePlus support is terrible, I prefer "sold by Amazon". Then almost got Nexus 5X, but skipped due usb-c, will stick on usb micro, no need to buy new cables, adapters etc. Also lack of the dual sim and sd card was depressing. Idol 4S is too big and too expensive. So now I got the Idol 4 (however as this came from Amazon.de without flipcase, the new item is on the way), it does include the pointless VR stuff, but could not buy without it. Will test it and if it's ok (BTW Android patch level 01.07.2016 was already available) will keep it, either until Nexus 2016 arrives or more.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
Aclatel One touch IDOL 4 aka 6055K kernel source: https://sourceforge.net/projects/alcatel/files/
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Unjustified Dev:
Also contains idol 4s source no trace of idol 3 although the 617 is a 615 with minor changes. I think I am going to jump and get the idol 4s next week. I really wish we could say if the bootloader has fastboot commands maybe someone who has idol 4 can say.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
you mean, that inside the 6055k source is also source for idol 4s?How could it be when 4s has snapdragon 652 and 4 has 617?I think someone with knowledge can try to build the kernel for idol 3 MM, based upon source code for idol 4s because (as you said) the soc are basicly identical.

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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Unjustified Dev:
Qualcomm kernel source has several boards inside for multiple socs it's possible Idol 4s code may not be complete but it does have references to it. I haven't actually tried to compile anything though but drivers etc are in there. I don't think it can be adopted to idol 3. Our mm drivers need the actual kernel source to match them or they'll just crash. I'm thinking after 6070 the idol 3 will see its source released.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
i hope for it. I will stick with idol3 because we have two year warranty and next year i will grab what will be on market. Idol 4s is not so big deal for me (i prefer full hd above QHD in terms of battery consumption and i really have no use for front stereo speaker). I bought idol3 because of battery and reversible function.

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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] JLLE:
I won't change either for almost the same reasons, but I really like the front speakers of my Idol3 5.5. ?

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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
Just watched Flossy Carter's first impressions of the 4S. Definitely makes me excited about the phone.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] famewolf:
Alcatel idol 4s preorder $349.99. ships Alcatel idol 4s preorder $349.99. unlocked phone and VR headset. Ships by August 3.

Save $50 with preorder. Bundle includes: phone, VR goggles, JBL headphones, screen protector and case.

http://www.alcatelonetouch.us/idol-4s-5-inch-vr-smartphone
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] raimondomartire:
I take idol 4s european model. I can confirm locked bootloader but with fastboot command

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I take idol 4s european model. I can confirm locked bootloader but with fastboot command

I find in engeneering menu also root permission flag but don't work
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Unjustified Dev:
Does it take the command fastboot oem unlock? After you enable it in developer options?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] raimondomartire:
I try to build unlock-bootloader.img (I'm sure that we can unlock in this way like other qualcomm device whith same soc) this is result

fastboot -i 0x1bbb flash unlock unlock_bootloader.img

target reported max download size of 536870912 bytes

sending 'unlock' (0 KB)...

OKAY [ 0.004s]

writing 'unlock'...

FAILED (remote: unknown command)

finished. total time: 0.007s

Obviously oem unlock command don't work but you can see above fastboot command work. Tell me if you want that I try something for you.

This is screen of engeneering menu
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] :
Alcatel Yesterday released Source code from IDOL 4... (6055k)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/alcatel/files/?source=navbar

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Did you try this command

"Fastboot -i 0x1bbb devices" -it shows the device ?

-Type "fastboot -i 0x1bbb oem device-info" and then

-Type "fastboot -i 0x1bbb oem unlock"
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] peramikic:
Have tried rebooting to bootloader first or is this already in bootloader mode?

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Also it might use the new unlock command like the 6P

fastboot flashing unlock

Worth a try

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fastboot --help should show the command if supported i think
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Unjustified Dev:
It's like the idol 3 mm update the bootloader is unlocked but the commands are removed for fastboot.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] peramikic:
Yeah seems like they are disabled in little kernal.

What about

fastboot -i 0x1bbb getvar all

Maybe they left something enabled for debugging
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] peramikic:
If Alcatel went with default settings then all of these fastboot commands will be disabled

{"flash:", cmd_flash},

{"erase:", cmd_erase},

{"boot", cmd_boot},

{"continue", cmd_continue},

{"reboot", cmd_reboot},

{"reboot-bootloader", cmd_reboot_bootloader},

{"oem unlock", cmd_oem_unlock},

{"oem unlock-go", cmd_oem_unlock_go},

{"oem lock", cmd_oem_lock},

{"oem verified", cmd_oem_verified},

{"oem device-info", cmd_oem_devinfo},

{"preflash", cmd_preflash},

{"oem enable-charger-screen", cmd_oem_enable_charger_screen},

{"oem disable-charger-screen", cmd_oem_disable_charger_screen},

{"oem select-display-panel", cmd_oem_select_display_panel},

#if UNITTEST_FW_SUPPORT

{"oem run-tests", cmd_oem_runtests},

Italic ones seem to have been removed

The bolded ones should be harmless to run. If they all produce unknown command, then my suspicion is confirmed and the only way forward will be getting hands on a official unlocked build via Alcatel flashing tool.

OTOH they might have customized the code but somehow i doubt they went through the effort. Most likely this was in their make file

ifeq ($(TARGET_BUILD_VARIANT),user)

CFLAGS += -DDISABLE_FASTBOOT_CMDS=1

endif

I'll grab the 6055x source, maybe they left the make file in by mistake

BTW, is there OEM unlock option in developer tools by any chance (figure i'd ask :p) ?

Sad to already contemplate returning the device i haven't even received :rolleyes:

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There is a new set of fastboot cmds for MM that was seen on Nexus devices, so maybe these work on 4/4s or even on the IDOL 3 MM builds (with the -i flag or maybe even withouht)

https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/core/+/bf11095

fastboot flashing lock
- Prevents flashing partitions
fastboot flashing unlock
- Enable user to flashing partitions
fastboot flashing lock_critical
- Prevents flashing bootloader related
paritions
fastboot flashing unlock_critical
- Enables user to flash bootloader
related partitions
fastboot flashing get_unlock_ability
- Query bootloader to check if device is
locked.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] peramikic:
While looking for other devices with same SoC (Oppo R9 plus) i noticed that Oppo did the same thing on their MM roms by disabling all fastboot access for previous and new phones. See thread for and interesting development

http://xdaforums.com/r7-plus/help/decision-oppo-bootloader-fastboot-t3348114

the last post there says that a way around missing fastboot cmds was found and "which was used to put pressure on Oppo including all the incoming complains." I wonder if it was something platform specific or just Oppo rom. Supposedly it made Oppo put back fastboot into their Spectrum Project builds

My OCD kicked in on this, and i don't even have the 4S yet :silly:
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] benjmiester:
Isn't it an OLED panel though? They really do t suffer from drain due to resolution like IPS does. OLED has no backlight. Backlight needing to be brighter to shine through tighter pixel spacing being the reason that higher resolution hurts battery life. Also, if it's a newer generation, it uses even less than last year's panels already. For example, last year with the S6, Samsung showed that their newest QHD panel uses 27% LESS power than their previous 1080p panel. There may be a small amount of power and fps lost to you stress, but it's very very minor.