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[Android General] magnamentis:
really sir, overwrite is a change isn't it, sorry if i didn't explain in that already lengthy post what i mean with change :)

dunno how many times i have to repeat. if someone wants stock + cata cata will "always overwrite" the necessary files, no matter what version of stock we use and what version of cata we use. point is that cata mode 30+MB does not overwrite the entire stock rom (1GB or about half without gapps) but only 30 and something MB which makes the rest of the updated google factory image remaining untouched which how ever much it is, will make an update meaningful because most of the updated files in googel Q version are not "overwritten" by cataclysm rom. in general this should be about the meaning and not about back and forth arguing about single words to defend the original point which IMO forgot about the relation between 1GB image and 30MB Mod = 30MB max change, probably less because part of the "overwriting" files will contain many things identical than the original, just overwrite the whole to get things (path and dependencies) right.

now we could continue to talk about which of my words of a non-native english speaker would not be used by a native english, american or australian speaker, while many would still remain relative. for me, "overwriting" something is a more precise kind of synonym for "to change" something or does anyone want to deny that an overwriting is a change and that a change can include overwriting ?

i referred to if it makes sense to update and did not want to end up in a lingual discussion about semantics, hope that's the end of it
[Android General] t3al:
That's a kernel feature, ElementalX has that but it has an effect on your battery's consumption.
[Android General] magnamentis:
[MENTION=4191499]mko000[/MENTION]

this depends on the device, true for the nexus 5 for example, not significantly true for nexus 6 for example and i assume (ready to stand corrected ) that it's not the case for nexus 5x and nexus 6p as well since they as well use a low power core and/or have amoled displays which do not consume power when black/off. i know there are more scientific explanations but that's more or less it. i tested this thoroughly and if any at all the power consumption of the feature on a N6 is significantly less than 1% in 10 hours.

EDIT: and to not again be misunderstood, it is a kernel feature on nexus 6 as well, dunno about the 5x and the 6p since i don't own them, here is what i found for the 6p:

http://phandroid.com/2015/11/04/nexus-6p-double-tap-to-wake/ there is more, just one example
[Android General] benleonheart:
Changed it :)

If anyone else wants this banner, get it here:

Link
[Android General] t3al:
The question should be:

Are the files inside the Cataclysm MOD (this means if February's system.apk contains fixes they will be "overwritten" by the MOD files)

or does the MOD patch the stock image? (this means the MOD would work with any version of Android)

In this case it's the former.

[MENTION=5372360]magnamentis[/MENTION] Apologies for the confusion over the Nexus 5 reply above.. I keep forgetting Cataclysm was available to other Nexus devices :)
[Android General] magnamentis:
a) fully agree while if we read the full list of changes only a small fraction is prone to that overwriting and the original question was what the point

would be to update and i say ( my opinion backed by facts ) that there is a point due to the entire rest which is not overwritten.

so the original topic should always be kept in mind when discussing the reply. it was never denied by me or not considered that some new commits

would be overwritten as well but still IMO it makes sense to update as long as possible because of the overwhelming rest of googles changes.

b) sure, that was really meant to just mention it because the man did not mention his device, hence if he had a nexus 6 it would be a pitty to

forego that feature, while i use it on my nexus 5 as well but have a tasker script ( intent ) to disable swipe up to wake and reactivate it upon power disconnect or connect respectively.

thanks for further clarifying a) LOL in german my wording had probably been a bit more accurate, still i think that keeping the original question in mind it should not be that far of, at least i hope so :angel:
[Android General] till22:
There's a significant drain on both the N5 & N5X. A little less than 1% per hour on the N5X :)

Sent from mobile, excuse brevity
[Android General] magnamentis:
thanks like always, did find the feature for 6p, hence it seams that the 5x has the same setup like the 5 which BTW is a pitty, not up to speed with

development 2 years later, the 5 was based on the LG G2 which had the feature already then.

however now, thanks to your info, i'm up to date again, both 5ers drain while both 6ers don't :) :good:
[Android General] gitchrodd:
Just wanted to post. Found a good debloated stock flash zip with viper pre installed , a work around for layers themes and Android pay working for the Nexus 6. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3318315
[Android General] greyhd:
Might want to mention this is for the Nexus 6. We have some 6P users here.
[Android General] TheDannemand:
CataclysmMOD Jan-05 does NOT overwrite updates in MMB29Q

I found the discussion about whether our latest Jan-05 CataclysmMOD might lose security updates or other changes that Google had made in the February Stock Images to be very interesting and very relevant. It is indeed true, as was pointed out, that since [MENTION=3913401]atl4ntis[/MENTION] based his latest MOD on the January stock images, there is a potential for it to mess with Google updates when applied on top of later stock images.

I thought I would put the debate to rest for now, and decided to compare whether there are any differences between the Jan and Feb Google stock images for the files being overwritten by CataclysmMOD. I only looked at the Nexus 5 files (it's actually quite a bit of work) but here are the results:

CataclysmMod-Jan_05_2016-HAMMERHEAD-MMB29S_Stable.zip contains only 13 system files that overwrite Google stock image files:

View attachment 3653590

Extracting and comparing these files between the MMB29S (Jan) and MMB29Q (Feb) stock images, the .so files are all unchanged, whereas the .jar and .apk files are changed in content, but NOT in size. I then extracted those .jar and .apk files and compared their file contents as well. And to my satisfaction, only file dates had changed, NOT any file contents.

So, to sum it up, there are no system file changes between MMB29S and MMB29Q which are affected by the Jan CataclysmMOD -- at least for Nexus 5 :)

Of course this could change with any future Google updates, in which case CataclysmMOD may cause visible or subtle failures. We simply won't know that until it happens. But we can keep watching for changes in those files.

CataclysmMOD also contains an updated kernel (boot.img) but we can always flash stock kernel or custom kernels, as many users do anyway. So I didn't bother digging into which files are modified there.
[Android General] magnamentis:
hi,

first of all i want to express my highest possible appreciation that you went through the process and did scrutinize this file by file :)

this are poor words for the amount of respect if feel for that, perhaps as a native english speaker my vocabulary would allow for better wording :)

i stated that already and want to add it again because i think this is the best opportunity ever to point it out once and for all:

a) even should there have been a few changes to content, it would have been a fraction of the total content of the 13 files which again are

....a fraction of the total amont of files in system. probably in the 0.000.....1 percentage LOL

b) now we have it in detail but even before that i felt like that was an attempt to troll the thread, i mean it is and was clear that nobody has to update

....ever and to raise that question was for me an approach to exploit the always present fears of some users.

c) this is valid until something brakes and even if something brakes, for me it will depend what it will be, because in every other custom rom

....i've tried recently, at least something ( or several things ) was broken, while the current quota of this MOD is to my knowledge ZERO BUGS !!!

....to clarify i name an example, should "announce battery charged" feature brake, for me, so what and there are many others i have not active.

....while should for example upside down rotation brake i'd have to move on or fix it, because i need it to put the device on charger when i have it upside

....down in my car's cupholder in the center console. as said, just 2 examples to clarify what i meant above.

once again, great job, it will long stay in my memory ( as do posts and folks from the other side of the spectrum LOL )

:good: :highfive: ;)
[Android General] SteveMurphy:
Amazing post, thank you. That's a great example of how educational this discussion thread can be!
[Android General] derdjango:
When changing custom kernels, should I first fastboot boot.img?
[Android General] powerkid39:
Just flash custom kernel zip in recovery, like CWM or TWRP. Or is there a method for stock recovery?

Unless coming from another custom kernel, usually flashing the rom again before flashing another custom kernel is recommended.
[Android General] arifqur:
You are one crazy M***. lol

Great job.
[Android General] derdjango:
Yes, coming from another custom kernel, that's why I asked.
[Android General] NLBeev:
For future investigation I wonder if the mod-list can be shortened by selecting only files that are essential for the cata-modding.

In other words. Maybe the following files or folders can be removed from the Jan-cata-mod-zip, because some functions are not used or slightly different.

Boot.img,

system/app, (NFC)

system/etc, (security)

system/priv-app/tele* (telecom)
[Android General] mangusZen:
Bump, for justice.
[Android General] sam008:
Disable camera sound

guys - usually one can rename the system file cameraclick.ogg but I can't find it. Does anybody know how to disable the click sounds when taking a pic or video?

Thx
[Android General] till22:
Sent from mobile, excuse brevity
[Android General] derdjango:
Which ROM are you guys using as a base?
[Android General] NLBeev:
Justice should be without 'bump'.
[Android General] benleonheart:
Been switching between stock/hells/lean ; I just re-flash the Jan5MOD on top, this gives you the stock kernel back. Then you can flash another custom kernel on top of that :D
[Android General] derdjango:
Argh. I always forget that the MOD itself has a kernel, stupid me. Thanks for the reminder! I also enjoy elite, just need to satisfy my need to flash something, lol.
[Android General] adrok76:
Is the grape vine telling the truth does anybody know?
[Android General] wtherrell:
I'm sorry, Verizon has terminated my Grapevine service.
[Android General] adrok76:
I'll fill you in then, the Grape vine says Cataclysm is continued however the download source is not being shared publicly.. Anyone heard this too?
[Android General] NLBeev:
Closing a thread on XDA does not include that the dev also 'closed' his work. The cata-mod concept is unique and I think it is possible that the cata-mod shows up in an other place.
[Android General] ben_pyett:
Please name/link the reputable source of this rumour/grape vine.

Otherwise repeating this type of suspicion in this thread is annoying as gives us hope which can't be substantiated.

Happy to receive PM.
[Android General] NLBeev:
Read many ideas and wishes about it.

I bet there is no source.
[Android General] SlyUK:
How many of you use a custom launcher eg Nova, Action etc. How does this alter the Cataclysm Experience ?
[Android General] magnamentis:
i'm using nova and the launcher for me is at least as important as the rom. basically most of the usage, navigation, optics and the likes are related to the launcher. example to explain would be, if i can theme the settings app or tweak the power menu it's nice to have it in the rom but as well works with an app and one uses those features and places far less than the home screen.

dunno if that's well explained but in short, nova with it's gestures and other features is an essential part of my setup for a personalized user experience.
[Android General] SlyUK:
Do you use the Free or Premium version ?
[Android General] magnamentis:
premium because i want the gestures and root access features. thing is that gestures safe space for icons because some tasks like opening settings can be applied to a gesture and all that safed space (number of icons) makes it possible that i get along with only one home screen, a relatively overseeable app drawer and a side menu for shortcuts and select apps.

while needs and taste are very individual i attached a few shots to illustrate my way organizing
[Android General] Fastrite:
Use Apex pro here and extensive use of gestures and other features. It an important part of my setup.

Would not consider not using this or Nova.

You can even get them in Cornwall... ;)

(PS Apex appears to have been abandoned now but still works well)

#whiteuimustdie
[Android General] magnamentis:
that was a good one LOL, but cornwall is not that difficult, but what's behind that wall, after been eating through all that corn? ;)
[Android General] SlyUK:
Ice Cream :D
[Android General] benleonheart:
Anda que tienes un gran relajo allí, eh? Just kidding, the beauty of Android is this; it lets users personalize them at their convenience.

+1 for using Pie, reminds me of my 4.6b6 Paranoid Android days on my Nexus 5.
[Android General] magnamentis:
that's only because only i know exactly what which icon means, could ad text or choose default but then i like some may symmetrics LOL

compare it to a coupé or a two-seater car, optics prevail over ease of use for strangers (nobody can just use my phone quickly haha....
[Android General] ( V ):
do you use pie control? ?
[Android General] magnamentis:
LMT v2.5
[Android General] Locoman_:
Me too. Its so much better than a nav bar, plus more real estate and no burned in nav bar.
[Android General] adrok76:
The grape vine is just that, a rumour mill, hence my question here, I don't trust the source either but I figured I'd ask here in the hope that someone would give a definitive answer as to whether there was a build available, that's all.. Have a good day/night.

---------- Post added at 02:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:16 AM ----------

I never said it did
[Android General] NLBeev:
Although I quoted your post about Grape vine rumours; my response is not meant as a reaction to you only.

It is based on the idea that closing a thread is something different than stopping the work on a unique concept.
[Android General] adrok76:
Sorry to pull you up again but it shouldn't have been directed at me at all since I never said At4lantis had stopped development at any point. I was merely asking a question as to whether any builds had been made public.

However if you read the pushbullet announcement which I'm sure you must be subscribed to, At4lantis does say "Cataclysm development halted indefinitely" which to me says he isn't currently working on the ROM, if we all want to start talking about actual facts and not hopes that one day he will continue.

I take it from the responses here that there are no public build available at this time, seen as no one gave me a straight answer and just thought it fit to put words into my mouth/post.
[Android General] trlash:
I highly doubt these rumours are true. Unless it comes from the dev mouth and nothing has. Everything here is pure speculation with no bases for truth.

Unless it comes from his mouth, consider the rest just trolling.
[Android General] SlyUK:
The hope I have is that Atl4ntis continues the development for his own uses, otherwise he himself will have to go to another rom.

If he does continue hopefully at some point in the future, he will bless the faithful.

If he doesn't continue, then at some point we will just have to move on.
[Android General] magnamentis:
+1 which was my point from day one, he certainly will not do with anything less than cataclysm approach because even with the greatest effort to be fair, none of the currently available custom roms and tweaks are on par with this mod, i really tried them out to see, stock + gravitybox, pure nexus, blissmallow and the likes and some of them are really good, no doubt about that but they all lack critical features, one or more and then when it comes to stability none of them can reach this level. i'm really open and try dozens of roms on all my 7 devices including OP2 and some chinese stuff like H2OS and the likes, no way that any of them is on par with AOSP of today ( marshmallow ) and cataclysm in particular :cool:
[Android General] SlyUK:
We live in hope. To see something so good go down the trash can really will be a terrible waste.
[Android General] magnamentis:
which is exactly why i won't give up, if needed i gonna have a beer with him :) i just can't stand if the envious sub-par hyenas kill beauty and sophistication which BTW has mostly to do with that it happens all over the place, by no means limited to mobile tech LOL, just remember the pope and galileo galilei, remember, the world is flat or isn't it LOL. or all the many green eyed witches that were burned for only one single reason, they were more beautiful and the ugly fat wives were just jealous. ;)

sorry for getting distracted but this is my field of work and writing, so sometimes the horses go wild, but i think we all know what this is about :) enjoy
[Android General] SlyUK:
Which month is Android N supposedly being unleashed ?
[Android General] magnamentis:
october/november, while the preview will be a around a few months earlier ( to be expected at least ) while should there be more to it than just further restrictions to root and the likes, we're slowly getting to a level of stock android where one can live with it LOL. after all we can theme it easily and much more already now?

#whiteuimustdie
[Android General] NLBeev:
Your are quite clear. Sorry for possible misunderstanding.
[Android General] TheDannemand:
Yes, apologize for the OT, but you're spot on: Envy and jealousy is indeed ugly, and we saw the worst form of it.
[Android General] cink40:
Well guys, not entirely true. Cataclysm is close source and that is not ok regarding xda rules about posting in original section. XDA tolerate that long enough... Do not take me wrong I am also Cata admirer, but...
[Android General] SlyUK:
This thread was not created for discussing the above. Please refrain from doing so, thanks.
[Android General] cink40:
Jeeez, like i started this....
[Android General] derdjango:
So, when updating in March, can we dirty flash our chosen stock rom (+cat mod, kernel)?
[Android General] SlyUK:
I didn't say you did. This thread is not for that purpose. Thats all.
[Android General] magnamentis:
biggest chance for things to work would be to fastboot flash from google factory image, beside the fact that it might brake any time or partly so, every diversion from stock factory image will increase chances that something get's out of compatibility range.

else yes, flash rom (as close to stock as possible for your needs) then the mod and then the kernel if any.
[Android General] derdjango:
Thanks. I prefer fewer system gapps that's why I use a custom stock. I guess, I'll just clean flash everything. Once a month is no hassle for me and should keep the device fresh.

Which kernel is everybody using btw?
[Android General] magnamentis:
i think everybody is using not the same kernel (just kidding) i'm on EX for years ;)

BTW it's quite easy to remove system apps but of course if someone makes a stock flashable, which i think is the case if i remember correctly, why not, just that they mostly make other changes as well and sometimes things brake. just had such an example yesterday where someone removed google photo app and could not change the user image anymore. don't remember rom and details but it's the kind i mean.

best way is to get rid of the minimum and freeze the rest to keep all libraries in place. just brainstorming a bit, 99% all is well with a slightly altered close to stock zip. :good:
[Android General] Empty Hand:
For fellow 6P users: The last version of Cataclysm (at least for the 6P) added the vendor.img file to alleviate the issues of users who were forgetting to fastboot flash the latest vendor.img. I don't know if that vendor image is updated with each security update, but should we be using the Jan. 5 version instead of the final Jan. 6 version that does not include the vendor image to avoid inadvertently adding an outdated vendor image?
[Android General] magnamentis:
if you fastboot flash both, sytem.img and vendor.img that's certainly the safest way to go, while nobody complaines about anything as far as i remember so it seems that for the moment it does not matter.

good point to bring it up however because this could well be an issue in the future and we have to remember the possibility, thanks. :good:
[Android General] peltus:
[MENTION=4762399]Empty Hand[/MENTION] For clarification: This thread is about the cataclysm MOD and not the ROM.

If you flash the entire stock images you should already have flashed an updated vendor. The mod goes on to top that.
[Android General] magnamentis:
only that one did not have to flash the entire stock image but only the system image except for the nexus 6p the vendor.img became mandatory to flash. no need to flash radios, bootloader etc. if not updated.

sow what we originally deal with here is to flash system.img via fastboot and the mod on top. his inquiry is very legit because flashing the latest available mod which contains the vendor.img (n6p only) one could end up with an older vendor.img (content) than flashing the latest system.img + vendor.img+ mod on top. that guarantees a maximum up to date outcome.

so the difference in the original approach advertised by atl4ntis and your approach is, that he meant to flash system.img+mod while you

are perhaps using a tool or other meanst and flash the entire disk image. further as far as i know just flashing the entire image formats data partition, but i didn't do that for a long time hence not entirely sure about that, perhaps someone can clarify.

however his inquiry was understood and welcome since this question will reappear when people start flashing older vendor images over newer ones and eventually brake things.
[Android General] HiM@L:
my fellow N5 users,

whats the dpi u usually run ur phone and also, which color profile goes best in N5. not too long ago, little over 1 month ago i move to N5 from N4 so...i am still new to this device.
[Android General] NLBeev:
Franco's kernel r42, lite stock ROM of Danvdh.

I will do an experimental flash to update in March. After normal update, I'll flash a modified cata-mod.zip and see what happens. I'll start to flash only the framework, system ui, settings and libs.
[Android General] Empty Hand:
Thank you for your response. As magnamentis explained above, for the 6P, the last version of the mod includes the January vendor image. The only other change between the Jan 5 and Jan 6 mod besides adding the vendor files is "Fixed led sometimes forcing white or hijacking third party apps," so I think the safer way to go moving forward is to use the Jan 5 version of the mod. I guess other issues may start occurring when the differences between 6.01_r8 (the source code that the Jan 5 and Jan 6 mods are based on) and later sources become incompatible (MMB29Q is up to r11, and that's going to change again next week with the March update). Hopefully, someone will confirm that the mod still works with each update.
[Android General] derdjango:
Yep, I think danvdh's stock rom will be my pick for March. Either his or skydragon. I liked Franco's kernel but I really need my flar2's wake gestures. Thankfully lots of kernel devs include them to their own work. Best kernel I tried yet was elite. Currently retrying ElementalX but its stock settings seems not snappy enough for my device.