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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
Okay.... But as I know that nobody not achieve unlock Idol 4 i.e. Impossible to unlock bootloader. No ways.

But phone already purchased.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
Yes so far there is no way to unlock bootloader since we miss the fastboot commands in the bootloader. Same for IDOL3 with regular OTA to MM.

Maybe Alcatel changed its way to unlock booltoader, maybe we need to ask for some code and then the code give to the bootloader to unlock (i think sony and lg handle it this way).

I wait for OTA update for my IDOL3 to MM to start research.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
I heard about update 01004 for 6039Y. This update not available by OTA, but available in utility (Mobile Upgrade). This update lock fastboot.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
bulls*it its comming always trough OTA

some 6045I firmwares locked bootloader even on 502 Lolipop

I got latest update as preparation for repartition for MM and still got bootloader unlocked and fastboot commands in tact on my 6045Y in Europe and as i made some roms i have used Mobile upgrade Q about 40 times :)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
Nobody not tried hack Mobile Upgrade utility or disassembly?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
Why?

Odesláno z mého 6045Y pomocí Tapatalk
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
Okay, probably I buyed wrong phone. No any way to unlock bootloader. I think they (with Idol 3) unlocked bootloader because had root before (through kingroot, etc.). Before need get root, after we can got true bootloader commands. So need search any vulnerabilities. Or, find insider at Alcatel. It possible will only after 1-2 years. Simply collect the money from to buy a new smart phone, with the ability to root.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Unjustified Dev:
Why does everyone keep assuming the bootloader is locked. No one and I mean no one can confirm it until you have root. Just because fastboot commands are removed doesn't mean bootloader is locked. Idol 3 on Marshmallow bootloader doesn't have commands yet it's unlocked. Alcatel isn't the first Manufacturer to do so. I had a pantech discover on Jellybean the bootloader didn't have fastboot commands but you could flash an unsigned image once you obtained root. Once someone obtains root on MM I'm 200% you can flash an unsigned image you just won't be able to do it via fastboot.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
For custom recovery, custom rom need utility like Odin in Samsung? How works Mobile Upgrade Q, they have access for flash?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Kutusov:
Only thing I could find about the Idol 4 is that display has "2D glass", whatever that means. Shouldn't be Dragontrail though, that's what Sony uses and you say you have scratches on your Xperia.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
I said, Xperia have no scratches.

BTW, normally phone official page contains such (screen protection) information, as this is good selling point. But nothing on Idol 4 page - http://www.alcatel-mobile.com/global-en/products/detail/IDOL4

So I think, that Idol doesn't have any protection and the way mine did scratch, just proves it.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Kutusov:
Sorry, meant "you have no scratches". Trying to save on the keyboard or something :o
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
I heard about systemless root, but anyway needs custom recovery. Epic fail.

For Idol 4 no any custom recovery.

ASUS Zenpad S 8.0 had custom recovery, but temporary.

http://xdaforums.com/android/development/zenpad-s-root-achieved-t3160422

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=60770086&postcount=352

http://xdaforums.com/android/development/intel-android-devices-root-temp-cwm-t2975096

ZTE:

http://xdaforums.com/zte-axon/development/zte-axon-elite-a2016-twrp-root-t3237760
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
Anyone received their phone yet? First impressions? Reviews?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
Backordered! ****!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
they were supposed to ship the phones yesterday and they didnt
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mountainmohawk:
Did you pre-order yours? I pre-ordered mine on the 28th, and the status says "on hold" on my account page. I called yesterday, and they said they were sending them out yesterday and today, but still have not heard anything.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
yeah I did..on the 18th..I called and they said they are shipping first the phone for those who ordered it before me..so i guess they go in order..which is kinda stupid if you ask me
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
My credit card was charged, shipping is imminent, would be nice to get a confirmation email Alcatel! C'mon!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mountainmohawk:
When did you order?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
Ordered 7/19 no confirmation email yet, annoying!!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mountainmohawk:
Ugh this is ridiculous.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
Email from Alcatel today.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
mine says that it has been updated with a status of pending payment..then on the bottom says shipped by fdx..yet no tracking #
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Sik0r7:
Hi guys!

I am really surprised that you still don't have this phone in your hands, as we had it two weeks ago in Europe (more precise in Poland). But version on your market will have fingerprint scanner and I think this may be the reason why you have such a delay... This is the one thing that I miss in this phone - so you have a better version :(

But speaking about the phone: I was a user of Galaxy Note 2 and I am very satisfied after two weeks of using my Alcatel Idol 4s. The screen is better, speakers are OUTstanding, it's really a pleasure to listen some music or watch a movie. Speakers are really loud and clean. VR headset is also fine, but I have no comparison as it is my first experience with VR. But short movies are really good to watch and made good impression on me :p

You need to look a little to find a good content, but it's definitely worth it!

In case of Software I also can't say anything wrong... I mean: everything just works and I didn't noticed any lags so far. So now I even don't need a root to be honest and don't need to change anything. But of course it Will change and then it would be good to have such a possibility and community around this phone that could make this phone better ;) So guys: don't be discouraged if you can have this phone in few days or so. When you will have it in your hand, then decide if you want to keep it or not :)

If you have any question about the phone, I will be glad to help!

[MENTION=1110248]update[/MENTION]:

Btw I just found options for developers (you need to click few times in 'Build Number'). Then there is an option:

OEM unlocking - allow the boot loader to be unlocked

Doesn't it sound good? :) I am not an android developer, but to me I am surprised to see this kind of option in pure developer options. Please correct me if I am wrong and this doesn't mean anything.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
how is the battery life?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Sik0r7:
I would say good - it survives with no problem a day of normal usage with wifi/4g/youtube/Spotify and so on. I assume that this is not enough informative for you so I will make some tests today and will share some battery stats from today. BTW. Quick charging is fine - 60% in around 30 minutes ;)

I will keep you informed :)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
There is a version of the phone that comes with a fingerprint scanner, it is called Vodafone Smart Platinum 7, and it exactly the same phone than the Idol 4S, and is even cheaper because it doesn't come with the VR bundle wich could be an advantage for the people who is not interested in that. I have this device for about a week now, and I'm really impressed with it, except for the camera which results sometimes are not so good.

About the OEM unlocking, it has been said many times here in XDA that this button doesn't do anything by itself, is part of the Android system and nothing more.

;)

Battery is pretty decent, you can achieve between 3-4 hours constantly each day. For me, the battery day one day and a half while playing a little of Pokemon Go and having the normal stuff (chat, emails, social, etc).

:good:
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Sik0r7:
Ok, sorry, I didn't know about that. But I hope that there will be an option to root this device anyway and few people to make custom roms :)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] acterhd:
I have long thought that the bootloader unlock impossible. But now my opinion has changed. I think that the same Mobile Update Q use this feature somehow. Appropriately, I think that to unlock the boot loader is quite real. The truth is no evidence no. Appropriately quite real and root. I also believe the theory that if you find or create a utility like Odin, the flash Idol 4 is real.

After 1 000 000 year we get answer...
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
How's the camera?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
For landscape and casual pics is nice, even when sometimes it lacks of detail if you try to zoom a lot in the picture.

In low light conditions, I would say it gives medium quality photos, but I think somehow it can be improved with software updates, however, I don't know if they plan to do this.

;)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
you think it takes better pictures than the s6 & s7?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Root update:

Wouldn't it be possible to root the phone thanks to the Quadrooter vulnerabilities that came out a day ago? It affects the Idol 4(s) too if I'm not mistaken.

Use the HDR mode on your Alcatel Idol 4(s), it works perfect on my Idol 4. Takes a bit longer to take pics, but at least they look way better and brighter. Even under low light conditions.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
I don't have the phone yet but I am 100% sure it doesn't come close to the S7. Everyone knows it isn't a flagship camera
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
Is it just me or is it weird that there are no US retailers outside of Cricket and Alcatel themselves who are selling the phone? It is not available on Amazon/Best Buy/etc but last year I remember I was able to preorder from Amazon for the Idol 3. Hopefully there aren't any supply issues.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
Got mine today via usps. Nice phone, mediocre camera as expected. Update out of box. Vr headset is nice and I'm trying to watch Batman vs Superman on it but can't get it to show in menu. Gets hot quick in vr mode. I like the ui but wish I could reverse nav buttons. Ambient display is slow and/or doesn't light the screen. DT2W and sleep works well. Really pretty device, shame to put a case on it!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
Congrats. You are the first non-reviewer to post about getting the phone AFAIK.

What phone are you coming from and did the update specify what was being updated at all?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
No update change log, good size at 176mb.

Edit: update included August security patch so that's promising!

I just sold my 6p and have OP3 on order. Returned the axon 7 to Amazon because of the janky software and captive keys.

Just watched a show on vr goggles, pretty nice but tanked the battery about 25% in 30 minutes plus phone came out rather warm.

Speakers are insanely loud at top three volume levels with the max being too loud I think. Bass is poor but good mids and highs.

It really does have an s7 or note 5 look with the glass on front and back curving of into the metal side rail. It's my first phone with glass back and I'm not loving it, slippery in hand and on surfaces. A skin or case is mandatory imo. It's tall for a 5.5" same height as 5.7" moto x pure (my back up phone), but narrower and obviously lighter and thinner.

Camera is weak, reminds me of the idol 3 5.5 from last year, a disappointment, but what can you expect. Zooming in more than a little is a no go. A daytime and high light camera for sure. HDR seemed to improve things slightly but created 1-2 second wait to snap next photo. Standard auto mode shoots super quick.

Ambient mode lags to turn on lock screen, which bugs me, but DT2W and sleep work well.

Pretty slick phone, not sure if I'll keep it but it's a beauty!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
not bad..im coming from the s6 edge+..im not going to expect it to be better than the s6 but it is always nice to try new things out..this phone will take me away from samsung and touchwiz for a while..if anything i can always sell it and get something else..im keeping my s6 edge+ as my backup
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
If root was upcoming I'd be stoked! Xposed tweaks on this stock like ui plus dark layers would be bomb. They could improve camera with update too.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] redeyss:
HDR mode

Night mode

Auto mode
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
It is far away from that, I would say the camera is just medium quality, sometimes you get nice shots, sometimes you get garbage.

;)

The problem when using HDR is that the pics are blurry, because of this delay and the post processing software. Also the lack of OIS hurts really bad the image quality.

:(
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
those are horrible pictures if you ask me smh..can you take some daylight pics? thanks
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
As I said, picture quality is really "meh..." in low light, but still able to take some nice pictures outside or with manual/hdr/night mode.

;)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mrblunt92:
Is this the tread for the idol 4s us variant?

Anybody in the us got their phone shipped yet? It was supposed to be shipped on the August 3 still nothing Alcatel don't give any info about my order sh*t is messed up anyways anybody knows if this phone will be able to be rooted and flash Roms like cm13 , paranoid, etc?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
i called earlier today and they said that my phone was shipped..they never sent me an email so he ended up telling me about it and gave me the tracking number...im supposed to get it this thurs from fedex and yes but none of the devs hasnt gotten theirs..from what i know
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
Got mine yesterday (4s, Netherlands), and I can only say I'm impressed, great screen, AWESOME speakers, notification led, SD expansion slot, OTG Usb, fast connecting wifi and BT.

Does it have scratch proof glass? Do we need a tempered glass protector?

It's my first phone with an Amoled screen, when the screen is lined up to my view, it's white, and when I turn the phone to another angle, the white turns into slightly blue-ish and back to white when turned further.

Is that an Amoled thingie, or a flawed screen?

And I love that extra button......!!

I get easy 6 hours of SOT, and great overall performance!

My previous phone had an option to save photo's with date stamp IN the photo itself (right lower corner of the photo). I'd like that too with this one, but I can't find the option (if at all). Anyone?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
As far as I know, the glass on the whole body is Gorilla Glass 3, so it will be hard to scratch with normal usage.

:fingers-crossed:
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mountainmohawk:
Still waiting on mine. My order status is changed to processing, but still no email on update on the status of if it shipped or not.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
took the pic with the note 7
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mrblunt92:
Did you get it yet ? How does it feel and how's the screen if you got it
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
Thanks man, thats reassuring, however I didn't find it in the specs, or just didn't look good enough.... unfortunately I wasted a whole 2 bucs or so on a tempered glass screen protector....

:laugh:

Anyway, I noticed the low light video recording drops to a disapointing 19 fps....

that's not cool guys.... :crying:

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I'm not sure wether to like it or not? :D
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
i got it yesterday and so far im loving it, better than my note 7..i honestly cant tell which display seems better but im leaning towards the idol 4s's screen for some reason..it is smoother than the note7, at least for me and i dont have anything installed on my note7..ive already used 14gb out of the internal storage, 32gb..i also have a samsung 128gb micro sd and im using it as the main internal storage and it is running flawless..it has gotten warm only once for some reason but ive been using it for a while with no warmness..it has better wifi connection and signal than my previous phone s6 and also the note 7 ..the fingerprint is not bad at all..it actually responds fast
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mrblunt92:
Sweet I see they sent you a clear case but some get a black case , anyways hopefully devs are be able to root it and develop some awesome roms I heard the axon 7 will unlock the bootloader for their customers Alcatel should do that too
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] hello00:
i made sure to let them know that i wanted a clear case and yes we definitely need root..i actually pm'ed the dev who released root for the idol 3..lets see what his plans are
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mrblunt92:
Let us know what they say !! And cool just personal preference I like dark colors better I didnt choose so is up to them anyways enjoy you device mine says will arrive Saturday
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
So, here in EU we get some other so called "case", it's useless, but where did you guys get these cases? Were they sent with the phone? I asked INCIPIO about it and this is what they say about it:

"Hello DJ,

Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we have not received word from our product development team on if or when we will be releasing cases for the Alcatel Idol 4s device. We kindly suggest signing up for our newsletter at www.incipio.com for all our upcoming releases.

We hope this helps and please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns.

(name removed) - Customer Service Team

Incipio | BRAVEN | TAVIK | iGO "

Does that make any sense to you guys? They produced it, supplied it, and now they say they don't know weather or not to release it?!? Doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway, I don't mind the hole for the fingerprint scanner, all the rest is the same.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mrblunt92:
Sucks because this phone is made out of glass and gotta be extra careful to not break it maybe in the future people will create som aftermarket cases for this phone and yes they send one case with the phone that's all I know still waiting for mine to arrive
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Sik0r7:
Definitely agree with that :) Except the part with note7, I hadn't it in my hands, but for now I can't complain about anything in this phone - 4S.

Someone noticed bad camera quality in low light. Although my video doesn't cover many details and it's really dark with strong light, you

can see a performance on Wroclaw's biggest fountain recorded by A4S (1080p recommended :D ) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrlaijo39nM

If whole video is to long for someone, here are I think most interesting moments: 1:02, 1:46-1:57, 2:10-2:15, 2:49, 6:16-6:20.

I don't know if this video says anything, but I wanted to share it with you. Please judge it by yourself ;)

And here are few photos in a day light:

Also two screenshots with my one and a half day of usage (Sorry, maybe there could be more detailed information):

I am also curious about cases for 4s... For now it seems to be no choice on the market really... Personally I ordered some ordinary TPU case, which anyway will be better from this ****ty plastic that we've got with EU version ;(

Just to note: on the official Alcatel site there is a dedicated case, which is also supported by some option in settings: http://alcatelonetouchshopping.com/en/accessories/618-idol-4-s---matrix-flip-case.html

But besides that we need to wait for some others. Anyway if someone will find some good case for 4S (the best if available internationally :P)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
this is what we get, well you know where that's going....
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
yeah, but seriously, 35 bucs....?!?!? :eek:

I ordered these (shell + tempered glass protector):

http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322199685391
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
You can always have 60fps ftw!

;)

If your phone gets warm, try to change the governor in the kernel. I have been using powersave governor for a couple of days and I have noticed that the phone is cooler, even when playing games.

Of course this will have a tiny impact on performance, and is somehow visible on the camera application after you take a picture, it will take maybe half second to load the picture, but besides that, I haven't noticed anything else.

:cyclops:
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] BazmanFoo:
There's cases available on aliexpress.

Also, I assume the Vodafone Smart Platinum 7 cases will fit the 4S too so you could get one of those?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
Euhm, are you saying I should get 60fps on this phone, even at night?

I don't get it, cause this phone only records 30fps out of the box?!?!?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Galaxo60:
I have to say that I don't have this exact model, but instead I have a Vodafone Smart Platinum 7 and it comes with the option to record 60fps out of the box, so I thought with the Idol 4S would be the same.

:(

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I wouldn't be so sure, because Vodafone SP7 doesn't have speakers at the back side, so a case for it will mute those on the Idol 4S.

;)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] dirkzelf:
IF all the hardware is the same, yeah, maybe, but I have no idea, would be nice though, maybe we need a custom rom or kernel?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] LoneWanderer_97:
in for when the phone is rootable and able to have twrp, along with xposed ????
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Sik0r7:
Btw, someone mentioned that devs didn't get their 4S yet. But now I think It's changed. Does someone has some contact to any developer that has this phone? I mean nickname on xda but it could be also mail or something. I never did anything regarding android roms (although used a lot with every phone I had) but I am interested in embedded software and Linux kernel. I am pretty close with these topics because of my work and I thought I would like to learn more in case of Android and to help some developer in case of Idol 4S. To make this phone better :)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Mountainmohawk:
I called on Thursday, they said that my phone would be shipping on Friday and that I would receive an email when it was shipped. Still no email, and my order page still says processing. This is really frustrating.