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[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] fubugang:
I'd expect the idol 4s to be priced from 300-400$, that SD 652 is a beast
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
they said so. ething about 400-500 USD with plastic VR glasses.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] fubugang:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Newly-unveiled-Samsung-Galaxy-A9-scores-73592-on-AnTuTu_id76948

Samsung galaxy A9 has the SD 652 as well and scores 73k on Antutu

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Wow!! I'll stick with my nexus 6
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Hemidrosis:
The package doubles as a VR viewer.

I hope Alcatel sales the phone without the feature for those who don't want it.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] fubugang:
Highly doubt it, they wanna fluff that price as much as possible
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] jani0417:
get down from the high horse
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
my mistake, sorry. Of course it cant be compared to Z5. :)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Hemidrosis:
I was talking about the SoC

The SD 652 rivals the SD 810 according to benchmarks. The Z5 & the M9 slightly perform better.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Hemidrosis:
So, the Idol 4 & 4S was revealed today.

Specs for the 4S are:

- Snapdragon 652

- 3GB of RAM

- 5.5 inch 1440p AMOLED display

- 3.6 watt JBL powered speakers. Can be heard from the rear & the front.

- 32GB of onboard storage

- 3000 mah battery

- Metal & glass body

- 16 MP rear, 8 MP front (both have LED flash)

- Expandable storage up to 512GB

- 7mm thin

- Price: $399 or $499**

Specs for the 4 are:

- Snapdragon 617

- 2GB of RAM

- 5.2 inch 1080p LCD display

- 13 MP rear camera, 8 MP front camera (both LED flash)

- 2610 mah battery

- Same speakers from the 4S

- Metal & glass body

- 16GB of internal storage

- Expandable storage up to 512GB

- Price: $279**

**Pricing is not 100% accurate & could change depending on country.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
i thinknthis will be no deal breaker for alcatel. There is nothing that would make me buy this new device, so it will end withbsome users praying on xsa for some devs that will make some custom roms and mods to make the device last more (because the battery size and the soc and the display).

the idols 4 snapdragon 617 is almost same in terms of power consumption like our 615, also the display resolution is same, so the 2600 mAh battery is a drawback.

And the idol 4s has snapdragon 652 which shiuld be more power effective, but has QHD display so the battery will last samee like our idol3 maybe less.

So from this point of view.. there is almost nothing why i should buy the new one (meybe the camera in 4s but have to see samples). And for 400usd there will be better phones to buy when the MWC ends, or just now moto x pure edition, moto x play. They have great xda support) thats my personal opinion.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Hemidrosis:
I get what your coming from.

Alcatel did make a smart move using an AMOLED panel for the 4S.

But yeah, You could get an LG G4 for less than $400

I may consider this phone, due to the build materials, AMOLED panel, & the front facing / rear facing speakers. I'm not a heavy user myself so battery life isn't a concern for me.

Forgot to mention that fast charging is available, the claim is it can charge 0-100 in an hour.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] techware7:
$400 for 4s? No no for me. Definitely better phones out there at that price point. Hell you can get the mxp 32GB for like $300 from amazon sometimes. I paid closed to that from a promo they had + chase freedom 10% cash back.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] fubugang:
I don't even use my idol 3 anymore since I got my nexus 6, and 400$ for the idol 4s is kinda absurd. Better buys out there, plus I don't think it'll get much development. I'm basing my opinion on the idol 3's develolment
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] kcleary:
4 & 4S

Give the phone 8 months on the market, they'll be deals on Amazon for 25%- 33% less than what they initially sell for. If they sell for $400, you'll likely see them on Amazon for under $300, possibly $275. Still kind of a lot for it, IYAM.

Even the Idol 3 at $179 today, occasionally on Amazon, is still an ok deal.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] drago10029:
Some bad news for T-mobile/MetroPCS users, no T-mobile band support:

here's the link to the specs (( http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/products/detail?model=IDOL4# ))

Connectivity

GSM Quadband (850/900/1800/1900)

UMTS 1/2/5/8,

HSPA+ 42 Mbps downlink, 5.76 Mbps uplink

4G - Support up to Cat 4, LTE B1/3/7/8/20/28A

150Mbps downlink, 50Mbps uplink

Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac (2.4 GHz & 5 GHz)

Wi-Fi direct, Wi-Fi display,

Bluetooth 4.2,

NFC,

Micro USB 2.0 high speed,

Support OTG, GPS with A-GP
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] drago10029:
The Idol 4s Hardware is a step above the Snapdragon 810 in the hardware department, so 400$ would be a perfect price considering how good the specs turn out. Camera, screen, sound, etc.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] colorado_al:
Any updates on price and release date?

I read that the Idol 4 will have 3GB ROM.

Hoping it will be $279 or less.

My Nexus 5 just crapped out and I bought the Alcatel Idol 3 4.7" for $149 on amazon. Like it a lot! A 5.2" version would be even better!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] jani0417:
according to alcatel hungary, the 4s will be ~$450. if i have so much money i'd buy an xperia flagship from last two years.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] wiemar:
price will be nice joke. better option is nexus 5x
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
price for IDOL 4 with VR box will be around 400 USD. Price of 4s and of 4 without VR box (if it wil be offered) is unknown. They should be released in June (europe)

There is also a new device TCL 950 (SND 820, 5.5 FHD, 4/64 GB , 21/8 Mpix camera, Android 6.0.1 OOTB). Doesnt fit in the IDOL line. Better camera, SoC, memory, bigger display, only FHD (which is imho bette rfor me).
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
I believe this could be an Android version of Idol 4 Pro.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
It looks so, but it doesnt make sense. Why to make a device with better specs than this year flagship?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
Because it will be the Alcatel's flagship? ? With (almost) all the bells and whistles... and just the right combination of (stereo) sound, screen resolution per size, CPU/GPU, storage and battery.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
the anounced flagship is idol4 i dont think that PR department by Alcatel is so stupid that they will announce another flagship 4 months after idol 4.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
The Pro version is probably needed due the likes of Lenovo ZUK Z2 Pro, which on the price/specs front beats the new non Pro Idols. But none are yet available in the wild, so all this is just a speculation.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
zuk z2 pro isnt intended to sell officialy in europe, or? The idol 4 is eu/usa oriented.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
There is the following note for this phone on ZUK's online store: "Please kindly note that ZUK Z2 Pro come with international firmware with Google play store, Google services and multi-languages." Just quoting... ?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
thats right but they will sell it only on their sites + resellers. No international launch and support. There are lot of chinese makers that sells their devices with international firmware, but this has nothing to do with international launch and support. There is no zuk service center in europe although zuk=lenovo.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] colorado_al:
If the price is $279 for the Alcatel Idol 4, as rumored, I think it is a better buy than the Nexus 5x.

Snapdragon 617(Idol 4) is faster than Snapdragon 808(Nexus 5x). And Idol 4 has 3 GB RAM and expandable uSD storage. Nexus 5x has 2GB RAM max 32GB storage.

Nexus 5x 32GB is $400.

Alcatel Idol 4 with 16GB + 64GB uSD is $300.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
[MENTION=4487227]DallasCZ[/MENTION]: In the context of xda-developer/tinkerer how much do/can you _really_ rely on support from any of such service centres...? ? Nevertheless I understand your view on this and I agree that it is not quite comparable device launch.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
you re right, but i thought more about two years warranty and local repair center than software support.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
If the device has at least 1 year warranty, seems to be built of good quality and is cheap enough, I personally don't worry too much about local repair centres. Heck, I bought my Idol 3 in France, knowing in advance I most probably will have to throw it away if something goes wrong (since I live in different part of Europe). I buy a lot of electronics abroad, never worrying about local repair shops. Warranty on the other hand is (very) important to me too.

ZUK Z2 Pro (and similarly specced devices) are very compelling for their price and that is something no manufacturer can ignore in today's globally connected world. Hence - I believe - a Pro version of Idol 4 can make sense.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
i had a lot of pbones from china. if it goes to warranty its terrible and long time run. If i wouldn't care about warranty i will definitely buy only 300 dolars phones from china. the second thing is lte bands support. But its not the case of zuk z2 pro, the only device from zuk 2nd line with global lte support.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] techware7:
SD617 adreno 405 faster than SD808 on 20nm with real big cores and adreno 418? You got to be smoking something...
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] colorado_al:
SD808 suffers from CPU throttling which makes it effectively slower than the SD617 which does not, though the SD617 is a slower chip. If SD808 could be kept cooler, it would not be a problem, but the cpu throttling from overheating is an issue.

The SD808 is better than the SD810, but it still has some overheating issues.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] techware7:
8 core CPU throttles more than a 6 or 4 core Everyone knows a SD808 throttles less than a SD810 and is cooler. SD808 is cooler than a SD615 and throttles at lot less. SD617 is the same cr@p as a 615.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] gideonMorrison:
Quite sure it's just the Idol 4 pro...
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] colorado_al:
Well I ended up buying th Nexus 5X. Could not hold out any longer for the Alcatel Idol 4. My trusty Nexus 5 power button broke and my loaner phone had to go back to its owner. I'll still check out the Idol 4 when it is released, but not looking likely that I will buy it.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Jeik:
I am a bit curious, is the Nexus 5X good?

I've heard its display isn't great and that it tends to lag. :S

I am in a real dilemma, because I am really interested in it,but several tech reviews say it isn't a great choice.

What is your opinion on the camera,display and general performance?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
motorola moto G4 plus :D
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Jeik:
I would've gone for it if they hadn't made its front hideous with that fingerprint sensor at the bottom.

I just can't let that slide...and I bet the sales won't be as great as last year just because of that hideous placement
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] DallasCZ:
For me its not a big deal with the fingerprint sensor placement. The camera should be good as nexus 6P (XDOmark says so), and the near stock firmware is also a good thing. Definitelly for 220 USD nice device. Dont forget that motorolas got always a big dev comunity.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Jeik:
I do know that,but for the money I get when I sell the Idol 3,I can buy a nexus 5X with a better processor,and more compact screen(one of the best things on my LG G2 was the 5.2" screen which was of perfect size for me).

And the Nexii have the best dev community. ;P
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] colorado_al:
I was a bit underwhelmed by the Nexus 5X at first, but after some mods to it, I'm pleased.

It has a pretty weak speaker right out of the box. Mono and low volume. The sound from my wife's Idol 3 4.7" is better. I was able push a modified mixer_paths.xml file to it that enables the handset speaker to activate along with the dedicated speaker and also up the max volume. Made it worlds better. Still not as good as the Idol 4 is going to be, I'm sure, but still satisfactory.

USB-C is a bit of a pain just due to having to buy more cables to replace my hoard of micro-USB cables.

The one standout that I was not expecting is the fingerprint reader. Have never had a phone with one, but it makes unlocking the phone much faster then a pin and I can use it to unlock my password manager too. Additionally, no need to press the power button to get the screen on, so that will, hopefully, not wear out like the one in my Nexus 5.

Also, easy to root and mod. Modified the build.prop to allow wifi tethering.

Cameras are good and responsive, though I am comparing that to my Nexus 5, which had $hit for cameras.

Size-wise, it looks to be almost identical in dimensions to the Alcatel Idol 4, except for the protruding camera bump on the N5X. Build quality is about the same as the Nexus 5, which is decent, albeit very plastic. Display is good and likely the same as the Idol 4 (5.2" 1080p IPS). Battery life is good. I think the Alcatel Idol 4 looks more like a premium device with glass back and metal sides. I'm not sure that really matters to me, since I always use a TPU case for my phones.

Advantages to the N5X are - available now, fingerprint reader, big dev community

Advantages to Idol 4 are better sound, premium exterior, SD card expansion

PS- In USA, you can buy the Nexus 5X for $250 through the Google Project Fi program. You only have to activate the Fi sim and use it once, then you can deactivate it and get a prorated refund on your unused prepaid airtime. No idea what the Idol 4 will cost, but I'm thinking $299 with a street price of $279?

comparison of Idol 4 and N5X:

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7897&idPhone2=7556

If you go with the N5X, Here's the mod for both speakers:

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-5x/themes-apps/mod-surround-sound-testers-t3252659
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Jeik:
Yeah, I would immediately mod the crap put of my N5X if I were to get it.

But the Idol 4 is a big no to me. Just with the experience on the Idol 3 forums,the development on the Idol 4 will most likely be horrible as well.

And I don't care that much about build nor internal speakers. I have good headphones,and I never play music on speakers because I am always around other people.

I primarily need good performance so that I can play normal games without the annoying lag,a decent camera with 4K video recording,a fingerprint sensor(so thrilled about it and the placement,makes me remember my LG G2 which I still love) and a display which isn't poorly made or placed into the phone(The Idol 3 5.5s LCD and touch screen are bonded,so it looks like you are touching the screen,no space between your fingers and the LCD).

I mean,this is 2016,but there still are manufacturers which add crappy screens to the phones...

And I am just out of my mind because I am not in the USA. Every phone is relatively expensive in Croatia,l. The N5X 16GB costs around 350$(used),while a brand new one costs almost 500$. .-___-.

When I sell my Idol 3,the Nexus 5C is most likely my next phone.

Thanks! :D
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] colorado_al:
I bought my Nexus 5X used on ebay for $250. International version LG-H791 with 32GB. Came in perfect condition with original box and accessories.

I bet you could find a similar deal if you buy slightly used.

I see new International version 32GB for $309 + shipping, worldwide

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-Google-N...LOCKED-5-2-HD-Carbon-Quartz-ice-/191783598653

And another that ships to Croatia:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LG-Nexu...LTE-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-32GB-Phone-/281898144367

Best of luck!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] zzois:
Hm, to me it seems less and less likely Alcatel will be able to price Idol 4S anywhere as high as $450... Have you guys seen the announcement of ZTE Axon 7? With it, the necessity for Alcatel to offer the market the likes of Idol 4S Pro very soon also makes a lot of sense.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Just spoke to someone from Alcatel. Idol 4, Idol 4s and Idol plus will be shipped to stores this friday (the Netherlands).

Prices will be:

Idol 4 = €279

Idol 4 plus = €299

Idol 4S = €449
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] wiemar:
wake up me when next alcatel phones get camera like from nexus 5x, 6p, lg 4/v10 or samsung s6. this idol 4 is a big joke for price and camera quality
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] macallik:
If the entry level prices equate to ~$299 in the USA then I think they may be pricing themselves out of the game in America. Not sure they have the brand recognition to command higher prices.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Why? 13 or 16MP camera depending on your choice for either the IDOL4 or 4S. That's not bad at all. Plus I'm mainly into music, the stereo sound is way more important to me then a good camera. I'm coming from a HTC One M8 and there aren't any other competitors around this price range.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] wiemar:
i wait for review 4s from gsmarena but there is better alternative with that price - camera and audio
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Like what?
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] wiemar:
lenovo v10, samsung s6 and maybe oneplus 3
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] gideonMorrison:
Simply not true. The 4S has stereo JBL 3.6 watt speakers, the best in the market right now. Nothing comes even close. Let alone the hi-fi chip which was professionally tuned by a special audio company (JBL/Waves)
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] wiemar:
i got moto g2 and idol 3 now and my next phone dont need stereo speakers. i need good camera and sound quality with headphones.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] gideonMorrison:
Read my whole reply, the 4S has superior headphone output with a dedicated amp namely the TFA9890.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] famewolf:
Good Post...you did forget one of the big selling points for some of us...the idol 3 is one of the few phones you can flip that has microphone's and earpiece on both sides...this is REALLY convenient in the car when you can just drop the phone into a cupholder with the power running from the top versus trying to make it sit on it's power plug. The sound is certainly a factor but not the ONLY one that makes the idol3 a perfect fit for users. The stock rom also makes some effort to let you use the phone upside down that doesn't work near as well with custom rom's....example..the dialer in the stock rom WILL flip....the dialer in cyanogenmod absolutely refuses to under any circumstances.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] okc_car_dude:
Totally right. The guy I sold my Idol 3 to (only in preparation for the Launch of the 4S) absolutely loved that! I definitely remember that being super convenient in the car!

Btw, the Idol 4S camera sensor, the Sony IMX298 [ 4:3 ratio, 16 mp, f/2.0, phase detection]... I've been curious what it can do in the hands of a manufacturer that has a history of great camera phones. So, I know it's essentially the direct successor of the sensor in the Galaxy S6, but I've only seen more budget-oriented models pick it up (Asus Zenfone 3 base model, Xiaomi Mi 5, and the Huawei Mate 8, with the Mi 5 doing the best out of these). Therefore, I thought maybe it's not made with the same quality?

Enter the new OnePlus 3 to give me my answer. Given it's super-competitive price and spec sheet, I'm almost afraid to talk about it here, being such a Idol enthusiast... but a 1080p flagship in 2016!? No thank you, OnePlus! Anyway, this phone shows very well the sensor's lineage and the quality we could maybe get with the 4S with an update down the line, if we're reeeeeeeally lucky. The YouTube Reviewer Marques Brownlee just did a review on it, and the pictures look fantastic! However, the OnePlus has OIS and the Idols do not.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] gideonMorrison:
Good solid posts there, okc_car_dude. I remember with the Idol 3 there was a major software update regarding the camera at some point. I read about it here:

http://www.androidcentral.com/update-alcatel-idol-3-promised-better-camera-and-it-delivered

photo itself: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/...6172232109715004290&oid=114721707153992450318

I am hoping quite intensely there will be a similar update - quality wise - pushed out by Alcatel at some point. The hardware is there, just the tweaking of the software is of the utmost importance. The initial sample photos by some reviewers have been proven to look okay to good, but could actually look good to very good, with the right optimization.

Here's to hoping.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] techware7:
Axon 7.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] okc_car_dude:
I don't think ZTE has a much better camera implementation than Alcatel does. I'm also sure that they cannot compare to the stereo 3.6 watt JBL's. However, That being said, I know the previous Axon had an unheard-of 32-bit DAC for the headphone output, and was supposed to be pretty good... But those JBL's you get with the Idol... I've literally never heard anything cleaner, and very few louder... and that's talking about the Idol 3's stereo 1.2w JBL's (1/3 the power of the Idol 4)!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Placed an order yesterday :) Excited!
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] gideonMorrison:
Which one? :) Either way, let us know how you get on.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] Fidelity88:
Idol 4+

I wanted to get the Idol 4, but Alcatel decided for some reason to only deliver the gold version to the Netherlands for now. While Idol 4+ comes in dark grey, the color I want. It was the same price.

Will update as soon as I have it ;) Probably gonne be the beginning of next week.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] gideonMorrison:
Wat leuk :) Also, from the Netherlands. Keen to hear about your findings! I'm also eyeing the gray version, it looks magnificent. Cheers.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] famewolf:
I will revisit the prices on these phones in 6 months after competition has had time to beat on them a bit. I got spoiled by my $200 idol 3.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
Does Idol 4 6055K:

1) Have notification led and is it multicolored?

2) Both SIM cards support 4G?

3) Screen have Gorilla Glass or some other protection?

4) Does it support Glonass?

5) Does it have Estonia -n language?

Edit: Found from the user guide, that Idol 4 have a LED indicator/Front flashlight in one hole. GSMArena claims, that Idol 4 have Gorilla Glass 3 at the front and back.
[Alcatel Idol 4S Guides, News, & Discussion] ksuuk:
I almost buyed Nexus 5X yesterday, but skipped, and ordered Idol 4, so I don't need to buy new usb-c cables and car charger, usb micro > usb-c adapters etc.