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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] evolution_theory:
Network Address Translation. This means your phone on Media net REALLY has an ip of "10.x.x.x" or "192.168.1.1" or whatever internal address ATT has setup. COMPARED TO an external IP address of 168.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x.

The difference here is no one can connect to an INTERNAL address from the outside. From outside a network you have to connect to the EXTERNAL address.

The NAT part comes in like this.

ATT has an external address of whatever "168.x.x.x". If something is trying to get to your phone it hits that generic external address and is then TRANSLATED into your phone's REAL IP address of "10.x.x.x". Because the traffic hits ATT's address before it hits your phone's address ATT can choose what it wants to filter and allow you to receive. No one can communicate directly to your phones WAN modem without going through ATT without some major hacking/investigating.

Um.. I think that's it. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] URPREY:
T-Mobile doesn't have 3G yet, so in the areas where AT&T has 3G, it's considerably faster. In EDGE areas it should be comparable.

Once you've used 3G anything less is substandard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TimSykes:
yeah, but make sure that they have 3G in your area. They dont have it here in buffalo yet, but I have seen it will be by the end of the year.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Raven_coda:
Cnet review, just another confermation of Oct 5th

http://reviews.cnet.com/smart-phones/at-t-tilt/4505-6452_7-32638455.html?tag=nl.e404
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] YodaJM:
You can still get the $399 price for a 2 year contract. You just get a $100 MIR if you get unlimited pda data too. You can keep MediaMax or switch to pda unlimited until you get the rebate and then switch back to MediaMax.

Fortunately for me, I plan on using the upgrade on my secondary account, so the MediaMax plan will be on my super old Nokia phone they think I still have. Not sure if I'll even bother with the pda data rebate. Depends on the pricing from the premier site.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bratag:
AT&T are getting wise to that and cutting people off from media max who have PDA phones. Article was posted on boygenius and engadget just recently about that.

AT&T's data plans are rediculously high. I get unlimited (ok edge only) from Tmobile for 19 bucks. That includes all the hotspots. 3G is great I agree but really for most things edge is fine I get 145KBPs unless I am trying to dl a HUGE amount of data I have no problem. Lets me stream at 65KBPs AAC and thats really all I need.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] motegi:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/04/hands-on-with-the-atandt-tilt/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
It's not because your NAT'd that you can't PPTP, it's because their proxy doesn't pass GRE properly, so PPTP won't work.

IPsec VPN doesn't use GRE, so it works fine on wap.cingular

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] warwickwebb:
Do you have the links for the articles about this on engadget/bgr? I couldn't find anything like this on engadget. BGR seems to be down right now unfortunately....

If this is the case I guess I'll just have to suck it up and pay for the unlimited data PDA plan, sigh.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vasquja:
Not sure if this is old news, but it's on their site now:

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/all-phones/?_requestid=41619
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Park City:
Agreed. I was just pointing out the difference in leased IP address space between WAP and ISP APNs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lithboy:
For those of us coming from TMobile

what's the difference between 'PDA Personal Max' and 'PDA Personal Max - Tethering'?

on t-mobile with my wizard, i would just need to go to Personal Area Networking in my bluetooth trayapp on my laptop, and i'd be connected to the EDGE network. does that not work with the kaiser on AT&T without the tethering plan?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dan.308:
Both get you unlited wireless internet from your PDA. Tethering lets you connect your PDA to your laptop as a modem through USB, Infrared, or Bluetooth depending on the devices. The internet that is delivered to your PDA is customized to be more compatible with the limited screen size, graphics ability, and smaller cache that it is typically on a PDA. Thethering bypasses the PDA display and cache to give you a full HTML connection on your laptop. Tethered: www.yahoo.com=www.yahoo.com, untethered:www=yahoo.com=www.us.m.yahoo.com (limited graphics and no flash content, just text links)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DJayRage:
Cool thanks, I'm in Chicago so AT&T does have 3G here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kavi:
Any idea about the SIM LOCK status on the 8925?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dan.308:
I've mentioned before that I work for AT&T Mobility. Yes this is happening now. In fact we are locking down our billing system so that only the correct feature codes are available for the device you have. Trust me, its for the better. With the wrong feature on your plan the bill can get out of control very easily and to fix it you will be forced onto the correct feature. I regularly see bills in excess of $10,000 of internet charges that are run up in just a few days. We have a High Risk Dept that watches for this. We have other depts that regularly sweep the network for mismatches to try and prevent billing issues. Unfortunately the down side to being the largest carrier with the most options is that it does take more time to do this. A large part of the problem is training but unfortunately people make mistakes regardless of how much training we give.

When we find hat customers intentionally did not update their equipment or they have an unlocked device(another subject) with the wrong profiles in it. they are 100% responsible for the charges. All of our data devices and services clearly explain for what they are intended. The prices are higher for our PDA plans because we have the largest data network in the country and more roaming agreements than anyone else. We have more 3G than anyopne else and we are spending $15Million a week to deploy it Nationwide. It takes time becasue of licensing and other FCC regulations. Smaller companies like TMobile can offer it for less because they have smaller networks and less capability. Some may not remember or know TMobile is only in business today because Deutch Telecom bought them so they would have a GSM roaming carrier in the US for European customers. A year later they almost dropped the whole thing when Cingular began the Genisys conversion to GSM.

Unlocked phones: Carriers lock them not to control you but to make sure that your service runs as smoothly as it can. Every carrier's software is unique. It took over a year to blend the old AT&T with Cingular's network when we 1st purchased AT&T's wireless customers. The phones have among other things to operate properly what is called an IRDB(Intelligent Roaming Data Base) that tells them what networks and frequencies to use. Without this properly loaded you may drop calls where you show full signal, messages may be delayed or never delivered, you may get no signal where you should. If the phone is unlocked it may not be able to receive the updates that the network sends out. When a new tower comes online the update is sent. If a particular switch or METSO is down and calls need to route to other channels or carrier's towers you may not get this. I probably talk to 10 people a week that have unlocked phones and the only thing they can do is make calls. Even if we walk them through manual programming often they can still only make voice calls. They show roaming on their bills where they shouldn't. They frequently have service issues when are none reported by Engineering.

I'm off my soapbox for now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avega1027:
you can do exactly that, even install other GPS software other than TT.:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avega1027:
Nice, but how about when you have lets say a TREO 750(locked to AT&T) & you call AT&T to get an unlock code so you can you use it overseas. Now the phone is unlocked, what do you guys do about that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kavi:
So basically you are saying that ATT has something "special" than the 699 GSM mobile phone operators across 217 countries. "COOL!"

Wish I was born yesterday.

According to your statement if I bring a phone from India and pop-in a ATT prepaid SIM I will,

1. have dropped calls

2. No data access

3. Will lose track of hand overs across cell sites

......

never had any of those problems roaming anywhere in the word. Perhaps ATT is "Special"

Furthermore $$$$ data bills are caused by employees,

Read the Sticky at Hofo The Official Feature Flip Thread!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dan.308:
I'm not saying you are guaranteed to have problems. I'm saying that you can have problems. I see it everyday. And yes ill-trained or just plain bad employees can cause billing errors. I commented to that point. People make mistakes no matter how much training is provided. But customers who do not educate themselves or try to work the system create billing issues for themselves as well. I see that everyday as well. Part of my job involves investigating Fraud and High Risk accounts. And before it's asked I am not biased by this. I began in sales and I am a conscious consumer.

I never said AT&T was "special". I explained that carriers (plural) lock there phones because their software is unique. Maybe I should have elaborated for you. Voice and data on cellular networks are different. The post was in regard to having to go to the PDA Unlimited plans because the Media Net packages are being removed from PDA phones.

No one was called out or charged with anything in my post. It was merely a reply to help people make an informed decision and understand why certain policies are implemented.

Before you berate someone and make insinuations please read the context and use a dictionary if you need to. Ask for help with the meaning of the big words. And if you have a cell phone and claim to have never dropped a call, had no access, or lost a hand over across towers

"1. have dropped calls

2. No data access

3. Will lose track of hand overs across cell sites

......

never had any of those problems roaming anywhere in the word."

then you are surely the most special person in the world.:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ptdw:
Picked up four more today (DirectPush deployment here in the office). This is in Houston, TX. Quite a few stores here received the phones yesterday.

-pd
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dan.308:
The phone is now unlocked but it already had the AT&T software in it. It will work fine on AT&T but there remains the potential for issues on other carrier networks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kavi:
{Replying with a dictionary in one hand and Dict on the secondary monitors}

Just wanted to point out that just because you have an unlocked device does not mean you need to suffer from bad coverage or service interruptions. It's quite obvious that calls get dropped while using any service provider (happens even on Iridium) but that has nothing to do with your device being locked or not.

BTW: check your PM's from time to time.. I will be definitely consulting you when I come across "BIG WORDS" - *258}
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
The reason I'm skirting the pda data / media net system is because ATT is charging double for the same service on PDA data plans. It's rediculous.

I personally won't be getting any more data transfer on a media net plan than I would on a PDA plan, I'm just paying a REASONABLE amount of money for the service instead of overpaying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] randomtask16:
Its not on my premier site...

And it WAS on the list in this link, but has just been been removed from what I can tell
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kavi:
Yep, Not in the premier site. Was in that link few minutes ago. But the page header was titled " BB 8800....." :confused:

BTW no Touchflo on the tilt?

http://mobilitysite.com/2007/10/mobilitysitecoms-att-8925-tilt-review/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpXHRtmtlFs
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dan.308:
"Rediculous" and "reasonable" are matters of interpretation. What you feel to be may not be what others feel. Some find the prices very reasonable. Some don't. That's why there is not one universal carrier that everyone wants without complaint. The charge for MediaNet is lower than the charge for PDA Unlimited. No one is arguing that. The price is based on the premium of the service. No you wont transmit anymore or any less data on either plan its the quality of service the device provides. MediaNet was created before we had Smart phones and PDA phones. The charge was associated with the average amount of data that those older devices could display and the speed the network could deliver. Originally you had to purchase your internet, SMS, and MMS separately. Now it all comes bundles for less than just the cost of internet originally did. Technology has progressed and prices for PDA are increased for the premium of the services. Eventually prices go down as saturation increases. The vast majority of customers do not have the type of services and devices we on this forum use.

Choose whatever works best or you. The price for the features and services is set for now though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lithboy:
so that means that i'll be going from tethered EDGE with wifi hotspots at starbucks and airports for $40, to untethered 3G without wifi hotspots for $44? man, i would have loved to switch to this phone, but now i'm reconsidering...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Illrigger:
Glad to hear you have such a good experience with T-Mob. Up here in the Seattle area (where the other three networks have very good 3G coverage) T-Mob's coverage is so bad that you MUST have a hotspot to get decent reception. And it's a pretty common thing in other areas too - which is why they're pushing adding a hotspot to your home. So more commonly it's $40 a month for spotty coverage with EDGE and the occasional hotspot vs $44 for 3G speeds everywhere in the city. I'll pay the extra $4, thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
i would respectfully disagree that there is much room for interpretation

let's so i go to www.xda-developers.com and load the main page on a media net account.

x amount of data has transversed your network to arrive on my device

now i go to www.xda-developers.com and load the main page on an pda account

x amount of data (again) has traversed your network to arrive on my device

in instance one, you've charged me 40 dollars for that data

in instance two, you've charged me 20 dollars for that data

how is there any justification for double the charge for the same service and same operating cost to ATT ?

much respect ..

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Illrigger:
C'mon, it's obvious - they're prorating the bandwidth depending on average usage patterns.

The difference being, MediaNet is meant to be used on phones whith screens the size of a Razrs', vs PDA and smartphone customers who are much more likely to download more. The vast majority of users will be not using much bandwidth on clamshells because of the impracticality of the UI on the small screen. A smartphone user pays more because while it's a pain to navigate, the screen is large enough to be usable, and hence they will DL more than a clamshell user but it will still not be a constant thing. A PDA is pretty much able to browse just like a PC, and users of them are likely to use the feature extensively, so they pay the most. This is also why they charge more for tethering.

Remember, bandwidth isn't free to AT&T either. They pay someone by volume for traffic, and their pricing is based on a prediction of how much you'll use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lithboy:
I have no problems with TMobile, as I live in a pretty urban area.

The biggest problem I have with the AT&T transition would be losing tethering. That totally sucks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] freeborock:
Everyone Nov. 9 is the date, so 5 more days for AT&T!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Illrigger:
Huh? What are you talking about?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
I walked into an AT&T store today on the off chance that they might have some form of case for the Kaiser since Tilt is due any day, nope.

Well, in about 2 minutes I had most all of the sales folks at my counter. None of them had physically seen a TyTN II. Mine's tweaked with JasJamings Black Theme, SlingBox with my own Black Skin, PocketCM in WM6 black, Google Maps with GPS, iGuidance and more. They were pretty dazzled, but more fun was watching the other customers holding iPhone boxes, looking over to see what the comotion was :cool:

The manager there said the 6th or 9th, but I got the impression that they really had no idea.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] herg62123:
try october 5th, meaning tomorrow.

i will download an internal doc i got from my inside source here in a little bit.

this is an e-mail all employees got today.

see ya in line to get one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Entropy512:
MEdia Net = NATed

ISP = Not NATed

IP addresses are a scarce resource, no NAT is worth extra money.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pho:
the manager in my local store, (for whatever its worth) said "there not here yet, were probably looking at monday"

I'm taking that as an out of his A$$ comment so i'm ordering online :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weinson:
my local store has four which they will sell to first come tomorrow am ... so I am going to order online. Just waiting to see it posted online ... nothing yet
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pho:
NOW AVAILABLE

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/atttilt/?_requestid=6590

except not so much :)

the photo here is correct http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/all-phones/?_requestid=6287
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] herg62123:
check this out

http://rapidshare.com/files/60350942/001.jpg.html

this picture is from a friend of mine that works for at&t.

this is from a 20 page document that was e-mailoed to all employees today informing the employees about when the tilt is coming out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weinson:
Thanks for the post! Just called, and the rep saw the device online but could not order it for me. Looks like I am SOL until tomorrow (or maybe after midnight).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
if you click on the tilt's image it shows a Hermes lol... to funny!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bratag:
Are you with Tmobile - if so why are you paying 40 bucks for data. The unlimited PDA plan + hotspots is 19.99 nowdays if added on to phone service. Call Tmobile and have them fix your account.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weinson:
now it is available on the premier site ... $399 if I re-up for 2 year ... $474 for a one year re-up .. in either case I am thinking I should be able to use the $50 rebate
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chem E Sam:
I got mine a few hours ago!! so excited :) been playign with it for a few hours
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] McHale:
Would you mind uploading the AT&T .tsk and ringtones?

-Mc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] psybill:
I am also looking for the blue theme of AT&T Tilt, please guys share the .tsk file!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ptdw:
Attached.

-pd
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] psybill:
this is it!! thanks mate:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ARHYTHMATIK:
Got one today as well. It's a pretty slick device-- I love the screen-tilt function. The buttons around the D-Pad are suprisingly easy to click.

My main gripe after the first few hours is the TouchFLO. It's utterly useless! Maybe it just takes some getting used to, but it sure doesn't "flo" at all! The entire device seems a bit laggy, but with a few tweeks, I'm sure that shouldn't be a problem.

Also- ATT didn't include the HTC home screen, as I'm sure some of you are aware. Just another added HASSLE, thanks to ATT. Other than that, the keyboard is awesome- battery life seems pretty decent (not saying much after light use of one day, but hey- anything positive to say on battery life is worth nothing eh?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Entropy512:
From what location?

The local store in Vestal, NY doesn't have any and the inventory guy hasn't even heard of the Tilt. (On the other hand, other staff members did know about it when I returned my 8525 two weeks ago.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vasquja:
I've called a few AT&T stores and they saying they won't have any til next week in the NYC area (probably not until the launch event, Tuesday). Anyone in the area hear/see different?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weinson:
They have them here in San Francisco at the stores downtown .. but I ordered mine online (since the store closest to me said they had only four, and I had to come to work today rather than rush over there).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pho:
non of the stores in the south florida area seem to have them

I ordered online - Status - "processing" :) do they do saturday delivary no one seemed to be able to tell me :(

Got up at 3 am this morning with the baby , checked, and bamb, available for sale :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Where do you order it online? I can't find a page that actually lets me buy it.

There is this page: http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/atttilt/?_requestid=6590

But no buy button.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dscline:
From what I've been reading, so far the only online option is through Premier, if you have a Premier account.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Is that the same as a foundation account fan?)? I have one of those.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
I just called ATT (the main number), and they still don't have it available to order. I showed them it listed on the Business site, and they said while they could see it in their system, they still did not have the option to actually ordering it.

Maybe it will be available later in the day?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KarmaNP:
Yes it is. I've ordered mine online at 12:02 in the morning and it has a "Processing", order status. Hopefully I will receive it tomorrow, or else it's going to be a really really long weekend.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
If you go to "Add a Line" when logged into your account (online) you can purchase it!

Can't I just order this and then cancel the second line when it gets here?

Price said $399.99

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbritten:
Can you post a link? When I look I still don't see it on the at&t site.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Log in to your account, click on "Shop" in the top bar (or whatever it's called), you should come to a page with many options, one should be "Add a Line", it's a small blue link. When you click on that, well when I do, I get a list of phone, and the Tilt is clearly listed there and I can buy it with a second line.

I have a FAN account so maybe I'm being redirected somewhere else, but it's there for me.

I'm still trying to find a link without needed to select a plan.

-James
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] projectpaki:
yea anyone know how much tilt is w/o plan?