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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
My point of reducing max frequency was due to how efficient the A57 cluster actually is it wasn't increasing frequency with normal iu usage which made me believe it wasn't taking load (but it was ) The a57 cluster is really powerful but also power hungry so it was taking all iu load but that wasnt enough to load it to the next frequency step even [MENTION=2670407]500mhz[/MENTION] i had to make really trigger happy and sensitive to minor load latency can be adjust from within the gov but it has a negative effect on battery on the next release i will have to share load between both cluster but only 1 A53 core unless loading apps so that at least while the A57 is busy checking for load the A53 will taking care of load less lag but more efficient then turbo well thats what we are aiming for but your right at lower frequency the A57 does has trouble and stutters but if match the voltage of say 800mhz it doesn't at all but that would mean it would consume the same amount of power and get less done and thats wasting battery ive learned allot from this project and you mate you have allot of knowledge on exynos behavior and power consumption which i think if anything is being proven by this on the next release i should have most of the problems ironed out i downloaded PCMark today and will do some test at least it will give me more data then my personal assumptions on battery and response also another point you made was cpu race to idle thats also effected but how many times the cpu checks load if you increase that faster response but higher consumption and also faster idle but while its idle its using power so i have to get all that balanced before i post another profile
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
Nominated for xda's longest sentence ;) Paragraphs would be nice so I don't get lost in the wall of text

Matching the 500MHz voltage to 800 does not match power consumption.

"Measured power consumption very largely follows the*P = C * f *V²formula for dynamic power consumption, where power is a function of frequency times voltage squared multiplied by a constant value representing capacitance of the IP block. Semiconductor vendors also follow this formula in their thermal management drivers as they model the estimated power consumption."

~AnandTech

Also consider the fact that finishing a task in less time with linear power consumption increase is generally more efficient (racing to idle)

Make sure you follow the "good testing guide" for PCMark. You can find it in their documentation.

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I think you should wait for me to publish my PCMark for Android work battery life comparison so you have numbers to understand how much of an effect things have
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Rx8Driver:
Yeah, i had gotten some moisture in the usb charge port and needed to get it dried out so the port would quit freaking out and thinking an otg adapter or gear vr was plugged in with all the associated Wakelocks running wild. Luckily, it was a small enough bit of moisture that getting it well dried out solved the problem instead of ended up with a fried port and being stuck with only wireless charging smh I'd have been pissed! Lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
I think we have a winner but im doing my tests and fine tuning but i think i have the issue solved

Woot woot
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
Are you getting Turbo-like scores of ~6000?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Pc mark keeps initializing how do you get it to work
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Score 5000

Needs a bit more work done
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Ok done a good enough test iu is really turbo smooth however PCMark is giving different results every time i bench the device but here is the profile its 4.3 compatible for anyone that wants to have a go at battery seems good to me i downloaded a few games to try on the device setup and i can confirm its basically butter

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Please check your voltages and thermals and always have your 2 min safety on enjoy guys https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Ps-jVB8IblN19QTm5aZHlpNXM/view?usp=docslist_api
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
Thank you so much man, Im gonna restore it as soon as possible.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
PCMark score inconsistency is caused by background processes. You should follow the testing instructions if you want more precise/accurate scores:

"How to set up your device

1. Install all device updates to ensure your operating system is up to date.

2. Restart the device.

3. Wait 2 minutes for startup to complete.

4. Close all other apps, especially those that run in the background.

5. Wait for 15 minutes.

6. Run the benchmark test.

7. Repeat from step 2 at least three times to verify that the results are consistent."

This can become tedious, but it's necessary for precise results. If you're serious about testing, download the "pcmark-android-technical-guide.pdf"

See AnandTech's results below:

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9558/Screenshot_2015-08-29-01-37-55.png

What is your average PCMark score with this profile?

The work battery life results are more precise because they're an average of many runs. Accuracy is impossible without a stock setup and following the instructions exactly.

Is it OK for me to restore just your ktoonservative tunables on 4.2? This would allow me to eliminate any variables besides the governor tunables that would affect scores.

Does the battery life seem reasonable for its performance in daily use? If it seems high, then I'll wait for the next profile before testing.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LiL_Assassin:
I downloaded it and trying it now. Thanks buddy. Using it for normal things and no games on 4G and it seems to be about 10.5% for me,with high brightness.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
Hey guys. Anyone has updated supersu to 2.65? I accidentaly did, after this sometimes profile list shows up emty, sometimes I see the list, select one √ apply but 'selected profile' shows 'none'. So cant restore anything..

I have tried reflash the kernel(v4.5),

Full unroot-reflash the kernel, supersu 2.52 apk,

Removing sqlite & busybox from sbin & xbin and reflash the kernel.. Still persist, thanks in advance.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
Try wiping synapse data and rebooting if you haven't already done so. Make sure your profile has this line (#3)

backup /res/synapse/SkyHigh/bck_prof=Profile name here
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Its 4.2 and 4.3 compatible from my tests battery life seemed good

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No problem mate it wasn't easy to get it to behave but we finally got it working few more will be coming more battery oriented and another more power oriented
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
I'll test your ktoonservative tunables and post PCMark scores within 2d.

My profile suggestions:

Battery:

Stock performance with improved battery

Performance:

Turbo performance with stock or better battery

Once it's working well on 4.2/4.3, we should try getting it to work with the latest kernel (4.5)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Will start working on them later in tonight i decided to gibe android m a try im so impressed by the stock experience

I definitely am going to give 4.4 and 4.5 a shot but there isn't much control but im sure there is enough to get it done

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look at that completely stock don't listen to the negative people saying there bugs i haven't found even one but what i did find is edge like effects new transitions extremely smooth ui no lags at all no doze its missing and fast charger switch made its way back also camera improvements over sharping maybe call quality seems to be the same but typing can actually keep up now wish i could do a review for everyone but wrong thread
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] lastfugi1979:
I'm on tekhd 6.5 + Skyhigh 4.5... any profiles to test? I'm using the defaults now and i read in change log there are many tweaks already done in the profile. have anyone tested 4.5 yet?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
That was the first thing I've done.. I tried

and fixed. Under the 'Loadable modules aren't working' section of lovely Post #3. I like that post much.

I think you talk about Ktoonservative profiles, but Im attaching my Turbo profile of v4.5 :p Undervolted much, warn you :cowboy: (My asv: 9-9-9-9-11-9)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Ill sure give 4.5 a try later tonight and ill have something up by morning

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Im looking for any feedback on the last profile i posted if anyone has tried it hows the response and battery life anyone at all who has tried it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LiL_Assassin:
I actually find this to run better. As sometimes my device wouldn't wake up. However I use muffys undervolt values so I don't reboot. So it's a win win.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Ok so your device doesn't wake up on my profile because i got a report on pm about that so i just want to make sure because i think i might have messed something up before i uploaded

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Ill have that sorted out tonight and repost my apologies on my device it worked as expected sorry guys will fix asap
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LiL_Assassin:
All good mate. It works most of the time but sometimes it just wouldn't wake up. Until I repeatedly try to wake it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
I will have that fixed sorry man ill have that fixed in a performance profile the wake up problem ill sort that too and repost the profile don't lose faith just yet ill sort it out
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LiL_Assassin:
Don't worry man. All good. Looking forward to it :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
Try Turbo (CPU Gov) and (Power Aware Scheduling). Leave all other CPU settings on defaults

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I'll wait for the new profile before PCMark testing.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
Hey man. Is there weirdness in this screensot? A57 sticks on 2.1GHz almost always. Is that normal or sth is wrong with my turbo profile?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Mate i think you have tooooooo much turbo hows your battery life i think the a57 can handle daily use even at 1.2ghz for a super smooth iu turn in down some and repost but i love that crazy amount of power can i ask how many cores you have running at that frequency
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
I couldnt literally test the battery life but its too much with that sticking. Imagine this like a drag car :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
I consistently get ~22% at 2100MHz in my PCMark work battery life tests. So that does seem very high, but it looks like you just rebooted. So maybe it's caused by app updates which is one of the most intensive tasks that our phones do. Check which apps used the most power and CPU time with GSam.

Underclocking that low will hurt performance without really improving efficiency. It's better to use a higher frequency (Eg 1704MHz) and race to idle. You can see it yourself in PCMark. However, lower frequencies can be better for sustained loads where the time to complete the task isn't important (Eg. background app updates).

Turning on power saving while using interactive and turbo improves efficiency in PCMark, and it lowers the max frequency to 1704MHz. But the effect on battery isn't big enough for me to bother turning it on.

Before limiting the performance of your phone to improve battery life, think about whether you will actually be able to use the extra battery life. If you can't because you're never that low on battery, then there's no practical benefit. Also consider the costs/benefits of using an external battery with a performance profile. An external battery bank can give you practically unlimited battery life with a super performance profile.

You could of course question how much PCMark scores translate to actual time savings, but that's impossible to answer without using a set of assumptions such as a standardized test (PCMark...) and a lot of math (PCMark's score calculations). I might try calculating it in Excel when I'm done with my tests.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
No man you misunderstand he mustn't underclock the cpu but he can control the frequency used under certain load like iu at 2.1ghz is too much if he turns down iu usage to say 1.2ghz its better or even 2.1ghz and ramps down that way he can very good response time without high battery drainage because he core is ramping to 2.1ghz and ut stays there ignorin5all other frequencies

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I was about to mention a car being driven in the city center at max rmp with the clutch on :o over powering the road (load)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
We don't have enough information to know if it's ignoring the other frequencies. The device was on for less than 30min.

My post about underclocking explained why 1.2GHz isn't ideal for UI. Ramping down when the load drops is what the default interactive governor already does.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Maybe your right. but judging from the way 2.1ghz is used over a period of 30mins means its ignoring most frequencies 1.7ghz is an acceptable frequency but from what I've learned the a57 is a pretty robust core and doesn't need to be that high to handle simple tasks and even heavy tasks. if anything it will actually invoke thermal throttle sooner and cause the device not to perform well (htc m9 comes to mind here). but if say it was kept at a lower frequency ramped up when needed and then dropped back down to the needed frequency to keep everything smooth. then we have an effective profile thats fast and stays that way im no professional here but those are my thoughts on the matter
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] CanMan1:
Staying at 2.1GHz until thermal throttling is normal under high load, which is why I previously assumed apps were being updated in the background. That doesn't mean the other frequencies are being ignored. Most likely they aren't unless the user made changes that would cause that, or they didn't follow the kernel installation instructions.

The A57 doesn't thermal throttle enough during normal usage to justify lowering the max frequency for performance consistency. The GPU is another matter (see AnandTech's review), but it at least throttles gracefully.

Resetting all CPU settings to default, then enabling Turbo and power aware scheduling already does what you've suggested. Some tweaks to the governor may help, but I haven't tested anything other than the presets, and default seems to work best (presets not fully tested)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
I believe his twin turbo profile keeps cpu at max frequency

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look mm

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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] LiL_Assassin:
Doesn't seem to be the case as I am running his profile with your voltages and yeah. Very excited to try MM. I'm hoping the shopping centre I go to has free WiFi -.- or its gonna take awhile for me to join the ranks.. But how is MM?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Seems stable enough but i was talking about his current turbo profile on his device ramping cpu to 2.1ghz
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
Something was really wrong with my phone or profile or else.. I turned off the turbo, seems normal now. Heavy days, the phone keeps fighting me after I told that Im gonna upgrade to s7 edge plus :D :D

Thats what I need to know. Its not about the usage of less then 30 min btw. I've used 4h, the same.. Something is triggering a57 but I dont see this thing in Gsam, System monitor. I used to use the same profile but mostly 500Mhz-800Mhz was in used. Whatever now using without turbo, seems ok. I cant say anything certain because Im using note 5 rom and modified some build.prop things, screwed up or someting maybe.... Nothing makes me go back to stock, even 2H sot :victory:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
2h sot wow man thats bad try flash stock asap this is very very bad

If its build prop then maybe an old NANDROID backup will help just replace system and boot and see is there anyway i can help let me know
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
haha no, there is no 2H sot in case man. Just saying it :D With normal turbo profile; I've got 6H sot. Not fully tested twin turbo, it was around 4H and %20 remaining.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Oooh lol can i ask something did you try backup your profile and then reset synapse reboot tick understood and then restore twin turbo profile when you tweak a profile heavily it sometimes causes bugs and cpu hangs even after reboot so try that it should fix you 2.1ghz issue and give twin turbo the glory it deserves
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
Okay bro, I will give it a second chance :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] lastfugi1979:
Thank you bro.. will give this a shot now!! :)

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@Konsstantine34 after applying twin_turbo profile, my phone is rebooting as soon as i go to Synapse.. :( It does not allow me to click on "X" to apply the profile.. any suggestions?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
I think its about undervolts.. I dont know how to remove volts from the profile file. If you know that, try it. Whats your asv btw?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] lastfugi1979:
how do i check the asv?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
[MENTION=455437]lastfugi1979[/MENTION] 'Info' -Last- page in synapse.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Increase voltage it might be too low for your device
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] lastfugi1979:
as of now i reverted back to the defaults - and only enabled "turbo mode" and "power aware scheduling" as suggested by [MENTION=6980302]CanMan1[/MENTION]

will check how this goes.. btw, my ASV values are - BIG:7, liTTLE:7, INT:5, MIF:7, G3D:8, ISP:7 (not sure what this means, lol)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Asv bin lower then [MENTION=5364232]Konsstantine34[/MENTION] thats why you boot looped

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Asv bin is lower then [MENTION=5364232]Konsstantine34[/MENTION] thats why it rebooted your cpu requires higher voltage then his to keep running stable
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
That means how far you can undervolt and sth like that. I wrote mine because I undervolted too much, -almost its border- .. As muffinsmuffy has said, increase voltages or do the same as Lil_Assassin,, if you still insist using twin-turbo.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Ah charging anyone mess around with ampere on it and what results you got trying to get some as stock because to me it seems the devices charges waaay too fast
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
It used to stay around 20-27 but I really dont care if it doesnt decrease the performance much.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Ambient temperature will effect a bit it shouldn't effect performance if you keep the throttle at 80 and 90 i keep mine at 70 and 80 i dont game much and high temps are scary so i keep my thermal low as possible
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Лithium-Фusion:
Yeah, I got it. It doesnt bother me anyway. I have seen worse. In this case even at 50 C, S six is better than my some olders.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
Very true ive seen device like s4 that started throttle at 120c
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Rx8Driver:
Mine default to 1025mV, I assume because of my asv? That's for 21, 22, 23, and 2400mhz

The only one i leave at 1025 is 2400, everything below that, i start stepping down at -50mV....for MY device, and all runs stable, no hangs, freezes, reboots, or kernel panic :)

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No way lol i crank my cpu running temp and critical temp to 115 that way it'll go long as possible before dvfs scales from tripping thermal. I've seen folks use fine tuning of thermal throttling to try to control the Cpu for benches but i think you're better off just reducing your max frequency slowly until you can bench without tripping thermal, then set the thermal settings to step down the dvfs to the final stage at that frequency coming from 115 and working down to the highest stable frequency that doesn't trip thermal, this way the device steps down only once to that stable freq instead of dropping to say 600mhz then cooling (slows benches) to go back up to 2400 it'll just drop to, say 1704 for instance, and stay there at 105 degrees instead of going up and down.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS WITHOUT ACTIVELY COOLING THE DEVICE OR YOU'RE GONNA FRY IT! Our devices are NOT designed to maintain max performance for any extended period without overheating. Simply because of cooling a device so slim. There isn't room enough. So, test with care, but it IS possible to find the highest frequency the device will continuously operate at and then make dvfs only step down to that frequency and hover just over 105 degrees while in the freezer and approach a 2ghz steady frequency. But it's hard on the hardware and i wouldn't recommend allowing the cpu to overclock above whatever that stable frequency is outside of benching while cooling....so say 1704 is the freq your device can maintain steadily at room temp without tripping thermal @ 115- set 1704 as the lowest dvfs stage and when benching overclock to 2400 and put in freezer, but when you're done slide the cpu slider back to 500/1800 so that under normal circumstances or charging the device doesn't overheat since dvfs is no longer protecting your device from heat damage...make sense? Or do i stuck at explaining my logic?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
[MENTION=5663089]Rx8Driver[/MENTION] i understand why your keeping you temps up like that but its really not safe also whats the point the device idles at a relatively low temperature 35 in my case having it set at 70 gives it more then enough room to run smoothly dont benchmark much i broke 95k mark and settled on it and so far its running really well underclocked and lowered temps might lower then even more because i haven't throttled yet also my voltage is relatively low 1006 at 2.4ghz so far no reboots under normal use i don't get to even 60c but the horror thought of some poorly coded app keeping my cpu at 115°c while i sleep ignorant of whats going is on is just unsettling so ya i keep my temps low and voltage low and underclocked all cores with a nice 8 to 9 hours sot is a worthy compromise i hate touching my device finding it hot
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] UpInTheAir:
Thats just a value displayed when the GPU is offline
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] Rx8Driver:
That's just the thing though. It's never hot lol i mean it'll warm up during benches or charging but otherwise I've never touched my device and found it even warm...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note5] muffinsmuffy:
[MENTION=5663089]Rx8Driver[/MENTION] aren't you worried say some dev codes an app poorly and it keeps cpu at max frequency prolonged like over night or something i mean thats the whole idea behind thermal throttling safe guard cpu anyway i dont know each to his/her own i guess