yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swtaltima:
I wasn't directing my verbal attack at you bro, just the morons responsible for yet another failed attempt at a launch by the dip ****s at at&t. I called their customer service just now and informed them that they are as usual ruining another launch of a somewhat popular device and I am sure that they are bound to lose some sells/ contracts. Of course I know they do not care, but I at least wanted to insult them a bit LOL.

I personally think in future they need to be a bit more tight lipped on future devices so this speculative bull**** doesn't get spread all over the net time and time again. Frankly I would rather not even know about it until maybe a week before the "actual" release so I could keep my sanity.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
With all due respect, AT&T hasn't posted anything, just lots of speculation from every store front jock and web nerd. The problem is folks like us, who have been watching things like Kaiser for the last year in sites like this, we know too much!

To end the frustration, step away from the keyboard or buy a TyTn II now, that's what I did, with no regrets.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
what a great day to be a CS rep .. i bet they *love* hearing from guys like this :)

dld
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Illrigger:
Hah, you talk like AT&T is the worst. Verizon has been trying to launch the i760 and xv6800 for 7 months. AT&T pushing the 8925 back a month is small potatoes in the big picture.

Maybe with VZW and Sprint moving to GSM soon, the prices for unlocked phones here in the US will drop a bit. Then we can just forget about the delays.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swtaltima:
"Guys like this" ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
I have to agree here... AT&T has never came out and said they were going to release the phone on X day... instead we have a bunch of keyboard commando's with to much time on their hands and "in the know" contacts that dont really know... So until you see something directly from ATT then i would disregard it and just hope they are going to launch then...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mstevens:
How soon is that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] McHale:
Um... I don't think so. In fact, I know for positive this statement is WAY wrong. Please tell me you have a link though...

-Mc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007...tandard-for-4g-network-cdma-limelight-fading/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mstevens:
"There are no immediate plans to begin LTE network rollout, so the switch, if it does come, won’t arrive for quite a while."

Thanks for confirming that any possible Verizon GSM switch, if it ever happens, won't be happening any time soon.

It's not that I don't want it. I do! It's that, as this article says, I don't believe I'll live long enough to see it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
Dosen't seem to contribute anything to this particular thread....Would be nice to read a little something about the release and price of the kaiser

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rambo6:
There have been some articles on Vodaphone and Verizon lately - e.g. http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/)

As you are all aware, Vodaphone has a large stake in Verizon. Verizon knows that it's biggest downfall is that they have no international service.

Verizon may feel pressure to eventually leave CDMA and go to a GSM network. The cost may be enormous. Currently, the signal used for 3G on GSM networks isn't too much different from CDMA.

The way that Verizon and Sprint's CDMA works is not as good as AT&Ts. I've tested both with new 3G devices and I get consistently better performance on AT&T's in terms of speed. I'm no engineer but I think AT&T uses one band for phone and the other for internet access. This is why one can talk and browse at the same time. I doesn't work as well on the CDMA networks.

I see a convergence coming. All phones should have a SIM type card.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avega1027:
Well for the people that are waiting for the release it looks like it would be comming out 10-06-07, per http://mobilitytoday.com/news/att_release_dates_change.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lungothrin:
That was a relief, i was going to order an unlocked one tonight, but it's is just next friday, i think i can wait!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] herg62123:
Found out the price for 8925 from secret source and internal documents

From a secret informant see the attachment below for pricing on 8925
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] herg62123:
ooppps double post sorry
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] McHale:
1st, yah, we knew the prices already. Have known for a while now.

2nd, internal documents? Where are those at?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lungothrin:
Why the details of 8925 has been erased!? :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
it wasnt erased.. it was merged with this thread since there is ALREADY a topic for this and there was no need to start a new one... so just look up a few posts...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] herg62123:
http://rapidshare.com/files/58546851/002.png

down load this and look at it carefully
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lungothrin:
Thanks, this looks better. didn't you get any release date date from your secret "informant"?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] McHale:
well, even after reading the full page, I still don't see what's

A. So secretive

or

B. New

Several weeks ago on Gizmodo:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/att-tilt-gets-further-specs-price-launch-frame-300047.php
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] madmatt079:
Release Date

Forgive me if this was posted already...

Two days ago I stopped to ask if I could pre-order the 8925. A call was placed and five minutes later I was told October 10. I put a deposit down.

If anything changes I will update all of you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
Boy Genius posted it again today.....Still no release date. Don't get the secret either.

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronsmckee:
Sprint and Verizon moving to away from CDMA and Tmob adding 3g is great news for U.S. consumers, European style device provider portability and lower prices here we come! ATT's stock is going to start a long downward spiral they are about to loose their main competative advantage.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
Don't know what your post has to do with this thread, maybe you hit the wrong thread. Seems a little early to be drinking. If you think Verizon and sprint will catch ATT in your lifetime than have another on me:eek:

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
well it was all talked about in this thread, so the post is relevant... and they might not catch att, but will provide a more competative market, which is a win win situation for consumers ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] crucialdudee:
Remember the guys who supposebly going to get their 8925's for FREE on SEPTEMBER 3RD.....hmmm i wonder if their having fun with their phones..... har har har har ........:-X
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
No, they have to wait like everyone else too. The good thing is that "they" were sent out ANOTHER 8525 to hold out until the 8925 actually came out, where it would still be sent for free of course. ;)

EDIT - ATT just called me and let me know that they received word that my local ATT store should be getting a shipment in tomorrow (friday). I am taking this worth a grain of salt. Kind of interesting how they actually called me, though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] crucialdudee:
thats awesome.....keep us in touch if the shipment does come in ....then imma jump on it too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lungothrin:
you mean that you will get your 8925 tomorrow!?!

how is this possible?! will it be available tomorrow?!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
Wow, well that is much better to actually hear from AT&T that you will be getting it, rather than rumors and "sources" telling us when it will arive. well i sure hope you get it, tell us how well the device is when you do. and PLEASE tell us if it has GPS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
i thought this rumor has been put to bed already? OK people listen up the

AT-T tilt/9825 WILL have GPS! I also hope it comes in this week i want to get one even though i have the HTC model. I like having a back up phone at all times. Still have 2 hermes that are brand new if anyone wants one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
i would strongly believe it would hve gps too, just so many rumors its hard what to believe. they all sounds confincing usually
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avega1027:
It looks like it WILL have GPS courtesy of this persons great pics, enjoy!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Entropy512:
The only evidence I see of GPS is "Get TeleNav"

The worry people have is not that it won't have GPS, but it will have a GPS locked in such a way that it can only be used with TeleNav (Which is what AT&T did for the GPS on one of the Blackberry devices.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
What really sucks is that it is the ugly model with the blue fn key and all those white keys........:eek: Whoever designed it with those colors must work for sprint or verizon

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pho:
So, is it at the store?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vwremglx:
A link of interest: http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/atandts-tilt-kaiser-variation-spotted-in-the-wild/

The chrome makes me want to hurl. I don't need a phone with bling. :mad:

sorry if it's old news already... new to me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swtaltima:
What he said... Ive also got my buddy at a corporate store on the look out this morning. I personally dont believe it exists LOL, but you never know. At&t may actually have done somethin right.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TimSykes:
Has anyone seen it yet or picked one up yet?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] evolution_theory:
Wow, so the tilt looks like it doesnt even have the home screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sqadan:
Oh noes... chrome buttons??? can you say ugly? And it has the white numeric keys just as everyone feared - and it looks like no HTC home plugin either.

I'm glad I got mine unlocked from HTC... looks much classier than the AT&T version. I wonder in what ways it will be crippled?

It looks like it has a link to Telenav.... prolly means no GPS either.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swtaltima:
Pretty sure its been confirmed that the gps is in the device but since they do not include the tom tom software they still show telenav. Although Im sure its included I for one think AT&T would have a riot on the hands if the f_ _ked up to that extent. Just my .02
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
Oh lord please tell me that this phone I've been waiting for DOES NOT HAVE CHROME F@#$!@#ING BUTTONS ON IT !

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=329932&page=13

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
It has chrome buttons that's why I ordered the TyTN ll

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
Another page was reporting that the picture with chrome buttons and white keyboard stuff was an 'early prototype'

I'm not convinced this isn't a pic of the same (hopeful, for sure !)

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
you are aware that the today screen on that picture shows the date of "Thursday September 27 2007"

yes it has bling, er i mean chrome Dpad

yes it has white buttons

yes it has GPS and no its not locked to telenav (just doesnt include tomtom)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MAXPOW3R:
yeah i heard that, too. also heard it was the german version. what an ugly phone. i don't know what i'm going to do now. my office would pay for the Tilt, but not for the TyTN II.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] swtaltima:
come on brotha, whats the deal? Did you get the damn phone or not :D my connection said it did not arrive today :mad: :mad: :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pho:
so i stopped by the store, based upon the above posts. here is what i learned

1 of the employees asked themselves if it came in - ARE YOU ON THIS FORUM?:)

2 the guy looked it up in the computer, it said launch date sept 21 ;) he checked the skew and they didn't have any on order ocming to the store

3. the guy put in outlook my name and number and promised to call me the day they come in. I thought that was nice
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
I wonder ..

Does HTC have a "parts" department ?

Any chance of being able to buy non-ugly keytops and d-pad ?

Upon closer inspection, I've figured out that HTC Kaiser and ATT 8925 *both* have chrome keys for call / hang / OK / Win keys

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GenesysLV:
Look closely at the pics. Tilt has chrome explorer/messaging/soft buttons.

My kaiser does not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
this kaiser clearly has chrome on the keys i mentioned

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] leoiden:
kaiser is overpriced and no use for

front camera in the usa

I cannot believe we are almost begging att to release this already

att should beg us to take our money we are the customers !!!!!!!!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] evolution_theory:
Not all over it.. just the outside. HTC Kaiser looks WAY better than the tilt!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dan.308:
8925 Camera

I work for AT&T Mobility. Just to be clear, I'm not puking out the Corporate Propaganda here. I am first and foremost a consumer as well. I'm always looking for best product for my money too.

* The 8925 is being launched in 2 versions. One with cameras and one without for security restricted users. Many companies do not allow camera phones for fear of corporate espionage but there are plenty of power users that work for those companies.

* Video calling is going to be available. It takes time to build out a true 3G network and provide all the functionality. I'm not challenging anyone's intelligence here but most consumers are not aware that some parts of the US are operating on Cellular Networks that span as far back as the 1940s. This is when AT&T originally launched Cellular service for large fleet services and government/LE use. Over the years these systems have obviously been upgraded but you have to consider US carriers have more than 50 times the market to cover than the average European or Asian carriers so it will naturally take considerably longer to upgrade.

*New features built in: GPS, Blackberry 4.0, WM6 Professional standard(won't last long for anyone on this forum though), 256/128 ROM/RAM Qualcomm 400MHz chip.

*By the end of 2008 AT&T should have full True 3G UMTS/HSPDA capability in every market we are licensed in. Network upgrades are built out on a basis of population density. The largest markets with the most users get upgrades first. It's killing me too waiting for it. I used to work in Central Fl. I would have had 3G 1 1/2yrs ago. Now I'm in TN and we should have it by the end of the year. Fingers crossed.

*As of right now full retail price at release is supposed to be $549.99. 2yr contract should be $299.99. Prices obviously can change at any time. I would guess they will not be delivered to the stores until the 8525 stocks are depleted.

Dan.308

8525

VP3G WM6 Rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] while(!(linux)){wm}:
Dan.308 or anoyone else who might have experience with this...

on Sept 9th i got a new 2 year plan with ATT and an 8525. i knew there was another version coming out, but i thought it was going to be a LOT longer than one month. During the signup process, the guy at the counter mentioned that the new one is coming out in a month... i was not happy to hear that. He told me a "trick"... and i'm wondering if it actually works.

He said that if the new version doesnt come out before my 30 days are up, i can return it for a full refund to one store, and then go to another store and get a different phone with a NEW 30 day return. That way, i can wait a bit longer for the new phone.

My questions:

1. Is this true?

2. Am i still going to get my discount from the 2 year contract i signed?

3. Is there anything else i need to be aware of?

I am only partially pleased with my 8525. It's nice, yes, but the 8925 has the features i wanted (and actually thought the 8525 had until i looked closer at it). I REALLY dont want to be locked in for 2 years with the 8525. I'm disappointed with myself for not checking these forums before switching over to ATT.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
agreed. hopefully there will be a way to un-ugly the 8925.

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
If the keypad and the dpads are interchangable than that might work and what the cost would be??? I'm ok with the big blue Fn key but the white and chrome needs to take a hike....

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] psyferre:
while(!(linux)){wm} , I can confirm at least part of this strategy. I bought an 8525 online back about the 13th of august and found this forum the next day while looking for a new rom to put on it when it arrived. Needless to say, I wanted to get a Kaiser. I took my phone back to an AT&T store on the 30th day and returned it for a full refund, and the guy there called to have my contract reverted back to the way it was when i bought the 8525. The rep he talked to actually decided it was easier to completely drop my current contract rather than revert, so now instead of having a 10 month old contract that I have to fight for an early upgrade on I have a completely clean slate! :cool:

I have also heard of others using your strategy, which seems to work as long as you go to different stores.

Ugh. I'm getting impatient. This 3125 SUCKS. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] while(!(linux)){wm}:
Thanks psyferre!

I'm hoping i can do something similar. I have a few friends with old cingular phones lying around, and i'm thinking of putting my sim in one of those for a month or so while i wait. I guess i just need to verify that i'll still get the discount for my 2 year contract when the 8925 finally comes out.

If only the Kaiser would come out before or by the 8th! Then i wont have to worry about all this stuff!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RacerX10:
Ok , IMHO, it looks somewhat less-ugly in these pics :

Certianly worth saving $400 bucks over (vs getting a kaiser)

DLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brickcity:
Looks better than any of my old ones!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
yea that actually really doesnt look too bad.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
is it just me or does the white keys seem to appear that ATT is flipping you the bird??? :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
That is to funny but so true.......

No matter how you look at that phone it is UGLY but I understand trying to "drink her purty" Kind of like Rosie and Tyra Banks if Rosie is the best you can do at least convince yourself she is pretty and straight. Me I want Tyra:D

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] while(!(linux)){wm}:
So, tomorrow is October 1st... one of the many release dates we have been hearing. Bets on it coming out? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
well i have a source that says october 8th phones will be shipped. No if you all noticed i have not said anything about this before so I was saving this lol.. But I will bet someone a dime! that on October 8th the phones will be for sale!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mzahiri:
Alright, I'm willing to take that bet. lol. i doubt that AT&T will deliver the Tilt anytime soon.

you take paypal? :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] psumosdef:
newly updated att rebate form says 299 after 100 rebate im a rep at a corporate store. also release date is nov 12 was pushed back .. email sent from northeast regional VP ..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mzahiri:
Hey Austin

According to this post, you lose $.10. but then again this post is from someone who is probably talking out of their A$$.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
LOL thats to funny. I thought AT-T reps where not suppose to talk about release dates or in house emails? I call BS i could be wrong though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pho:
oct 2nd is what i heard. Never heard the first

but if this thing doesn't hit on the 2nd, i'm ordering the unlocked one
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] shogunmark:
I will bet you all $.50 that this phone is for sale by Feb '08 :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sherpa:
Man, you are cheap! I will bet $1,000,000,000 that this phone will be released by December of 2008. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BoostedSR20:
Been lurking on these forums since I had my PPC 6700. Finally signed up when I switched to AT&T and got the 8525. Of course now I'm waiting on the tilt.

My local store told me October 1st about 2 weeks ago. This guy is really cool, sold me my 8525 for cheaper than anywhere else, and is going to sell me the Tilt for his cost. When I asked for a date he called someone, no idea who.

I know this info is pretty much useless.. lol

I'm just subscribing to the thread. :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] weinson:
Tilt Your World

Just posted on gizmodo .... see this link
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vasquja:
A 2007 launch. Great, so that leaves us with tomorrow through December 31st :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] McHale:
I hope I'm not the only one to tell you how foolish you are. I've seen them ****-can a phone when it was near delivery. This is AT&T you're dealing with. I'm still waiting for the WM6 updates they promised...

-Mc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NappyBoy001:
so from that link, when do u think the release date is?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vasquja:
I've read many dates ranging from 10/2, 10/8, 10/23, all the way til the end of November. No one really knows for sure. I'd love for it to be released 10/2 though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
From what I keep hearing, the phone will come out within the first couple weeks of oct.

Just to raise your hopes that AT&T is even aware of the phone, check this out http://www.tiltyourworld.com/calendar/.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tbfl:
Would it not make sense for them to NOT release the phone until they ave held all of these events with their staff ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TimSykes:
Well the last one is called "AT&T Tilt Your World Event - Pleasanton" on Nov 6th. That would tell me thats when they plan to have a "world event" maybe a a realease into the wild. that would be great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MAXPOW3R:
i can't believe how ****ing long it is taking for AT&T to launch this phone. Nov 6th would be great? many of us thought it was coming out end of August/early September and have been waiting for months. I might have to get another phone and play this game again next year with a different phone in a later generation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dwella:
HeHe Max I know it's frustrating but I remember the same with the BB8700 and the 8525 and ect....The point is next year we will be talking about the latest greatest PDA that we are waiting to be released. And you can go to the Nokia forums and there are the same posts just different phone and Tmob is talking about the latest greatest sidekick and on and on. It's fun or we all would go get that free candy bar phone aned move on.

d:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] YodaJM:
According to JP Whoregan at HoFo, who's at the Orlando training event today, HTC says Oct 5th is the launch date. Hopefully this stays true.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251378