[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
I guess we are all going a little off topic here. First of all, why are you trying to justify iPhone's capability by quoting examples of phones that have nothing to do with Apple (and probably never will)?

We are not arguing about whether the Ngage is good, or if its games were hacked to run in any phone. We are also not talking about the Nokia Communicator (a great piece of hardware imho).

Truth be told, the iPhone's software limitations are its greatest defects (that and the fact that the battery cannot be removed without voiding your warranty, or the fact that you cannot expand by adding flash memory, or the fact that you don't have an Irda port, or the fact that you don't have HW buttons... sorry, got carried away ;)

The iPhone is a sleek device for the i-generation and that is about it. Someone who needs more power will never be able to do away with an iPhone simply because it was never meant for a power user (and by power user I mean anyone who would like to tweak ANYTHING in their phone, yes even the today screen). BTW, if you respond to this by saying "you can tweak things in the iphone like the background, so it is indeed for power users" I'm just going to snap... because at that point will I start thinking that we no longer have a rational conversation, but rather an argument with someone that has been completely brainwashed by Apple's very expensive marketing campaign.

Anyway, back to this. I had a similar argument with my brother the other day. He started arguing about how the iPhone was better than my phone (a Blue Angel). Then, he started saying how he was able to see word and excel docs with his iPhone, and then I said to him "well, can you "make" word and excel files with your iPhone?" Then, he shut up and switched the conversation to how revolutionary the iphone was because of the screen and hardware capabilities (sounds familiar? If not read, a few posts back). Just to make a long story short, I showed him the FUI interface and the iphone skin, and... well, let's just say he changed subjects... :)

Oh, and before I forget! That whole speech about the "ZEN" with the album flip and the rubber band... There are currently two apps being developed (that I know of anyway) that can do the album flip for the pocket pc (one of them is called Melody and the other I believe is Lumen). As far as your whole, you can zoom in as if you were stretching a rubber band... is that what you are suppossed to do in real life when you want to zoom into something? Make a rubber band stretching motion with your fingers?? COME ON!!!!!! Are you seriously saying this???? With that definition, then touching the lower part of the scroll bar of the Internet Explorer to go down is also the ZEN of the pda, since you point down at something when you want it to go down... as I said before, COME ON!!!

This is all a matter of what we can do with our pda-phones and what you guys cannot do with an iphone. prd00 said it better:

"Now, we can make iPhone out of our PPC. Can you make PPC out of iPhone?"

Please limit yourself to arguing with the iPhone's OS and do not bring anything else on the table. If we wanted to discuss s60 vs htc, we would open a thread for that discussion, but for the time being we are doing iphone vs wm devices, so stick to it!