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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] berserker99:
HEH, If only it were that simple :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xqzmee:
Nice to hear that it works for some but this setting did nothing on my tilt.

I think this setting my have some effect on some headsets but not others.

I have tested 4 headsets and found that some work great and others not so good.

Plantronics 260 = Call volume is horrible .A2DP audio is okay but not really loud at full volume.

Plantronics 590E = A2DP is awesome. The call volume has the tiny sound but since these headset have a great volume potential , you can increase the volume during the call far enough so you don't notice any problems.

Jabra BT250 = Call volume is great, just like you would expect with a normal working bluetooth device.

Jabra BT620 = A2DP is great, call volume is also low but you can put up the volume on headset enough to make it tolerable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] berserker99:
Really? I'm very surprised to hear that. My Jabra BT500 sounds TERRIBLE when hooked up to a tilt. I hooked it up to my sister's SE W810i and it was absolutely incredible, the best headset I've ever heard. Paired with my tilt, it's tinny, crackly, and low. Hopefully it's a problem with the MS bluetooth stack and they can get it sorted out, but I'm skeptical. HTC used outdated, cheap parts for the camera in this unit and I suspect they did the same with the other components inside as well. God I hope I'm wrong.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brevi:
Hi! I have the same headunit in my car. My Kaiser should arrive today. Have you made any progress in tweaking the A2DP sound quality?

Thanks! Brevi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 3waygeek:
Haven't had the need to -- A2DP sound between the Kaiser & Sony is very good, much better than it was between the Wizard & Sony.

Just yesterday I picked up a Jabra BT8010; when using it with the Kaiser in A2DP mode, I get a bit of skipping. I'll install the Jabra firmware update today; maybe that'll solve the skipping.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] miltons:
I sent email to HTC Asia customer support Service

hk_service@htc.com.

They give me a call after 2 days and said "I'm the only 1 reporting BT voice quality problem!!!".

Language Traditional Chinese

ROM 1.56.708.3

Radio 1.27.12.11

Protocol 22.45.88.07H

BT is too quiet and tin.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DSmithZ28:
I gave up on the JawBone and returned it for a H681 motorola. It is very load and crisp, but cracks every once in a while. I think I am going to return that for a BlueAnt Z9. I think that should be a better ear piece.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rmanulkin:
Not Very Helpful from HTC

Here was their helpful advice...

"Thank you for your email dated 09/12/2007. Regarding to your inquiry about the Bluetooth Audio of hTC TyTN II (Kaiser), we would like to provide you with following advice and feedback.

Please note that some handset function may be deviant cause of compatibility. Due to limited understanding of your handset condition without performing a physical check, we recommend you bring your handset and your sales invoice to our Hong Kong hTC care Centre for a detailed inspection.

Please find below contact detail of our Hong Kong hTC care centre for your reference."

I left out the actual contact address, because I figured any of you not in Hong Kong would be unlikely to go.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GLO:
I have a list of compatible headsets for the Kaiser. Has anyone else seen one from HTC?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sstolk:
I've you have a list can you post it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rico002:
how come on my kaiser there is no mic. volume or spk. vol. or ear piece vol.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GLO:
Compatibility list of BT headsets for the Kaiser (Tytn II)

I just tried to upload the file but it a pdf which exceeds the max file size.

Here is a cut and paste, its not as clean as the PDF format but you should get the info you need.

Comments

Category / Brand / Model / Result / Comments

Carkits-HFP JCI JCI Passed ITS #2546

Carkits-SAP BMW 57040 Warning ITS #1573

Carkits-SAP Nokia 616 Warning

Carkits-HFP Nokia CK-7W Passed

Carkits-HFP Parrot CK3300 Passed ITS #6172 , #6132 , #6140

Carkits-HFP Parrot Conference Warning ITS #6132

Carkits-HFP Parrot MINIKIT Warning

Carkits-HFP Parrot BOOMBOX Passed

Carkits-HFP Parrot 3200 Passed

Carkits-HFP SonyEricsson HCB-300 Passed

Carkits-HFP THB take&talk+system 8 Passed

Carkits-HFP Audi UHV6589 Passed

Carkits-SAP Audi BTA4559 Passed

Headset HTC M100 Passed

Headset Jabra BT-160 Passed

Headset Jabra BT250V Passed

Headset Jabra BT330 Passed

Headset Jabra BT-500 Passed

Headset Jabra Jx10 Passed ITS #515

Headset Motorola Eyewear Warning ITS #515

Headset Motorola H500 Warning

Headset Motorola H700 Passed

Headset Motorola HF-820 Passed ITS #515

Headset Motorola HS350 Warning ITS #515

Headset Motorola HS815 Warning

Headset Motorola HS820 Passed

Headset Motorola HS850 Passed ITS #515

Headset Nokia BH-800 Warning ITS #515

Headset Nokia HS-11W Warning ITS #515

Headset Nokia HS-26W Warning

Headset Nokia HS-4W Passed

Headset Plantronics Discovery640 Passed

Headset Plantronics Explorer 320 Passed

Headset Plantronics Voyager 510 Passed

Headset SonyEricsson HBH-300 Passed

Headset SonyEricsson HBH-608 Passed

Headset SonyEricsson HCB-662 Passed

Test result of A2DP/AVRCP

Test result provides a list to specify the compliance of A2DP/AVRCP headset(Stereo headset) to our DUT(device under test). "Passed" means that A2DP/AVRCP headset can pass all test cases. If one of the test cases is not passed, the result will be remarked as "Failed"."Warning" means the partial function doesn't work (none major function) or w/ issue not impact basic.

Click to view the description of test cases

Category / Brand / Model / Result / Comments

A2DP HP iPAQ F-0361A Passed

A2DP HTC S100 Passed

A2DP I-tech Blueband Passed

A2DP Jabra BT620s Passed

A2DP Motorola HT 820 Passed

A2DP Plantronics Pulasr590 Passed

A2DP Plantronics Pulsar 590A Passed

A2DP SonyEricsson DS-970 Passed

Hope this helps a few of you!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TimeSaver:
Apart from the bluetooth, does any one know how to increase the volume of device earpiece volume while making calls?? Even at max I find it not enough.

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zaharakis:
there must be something wrong here...

i use this

http://www.accessoryjack.com/servlet/the-570/i.Tech-Clip-Radio-Bluetooth/Detail

for music listening and the sound quality is simply perfect!!!

also in my bluetooth carkit the same...

i use kaiser tweak for registry editor to bluetooth settings and the result is jjust perfect :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JDSX:
On a business call via my Parrot EasyDrive yesterday (which always worked great with my i730) I had the call switch back to the handset without my realizing it, finally I did and picked up the handset to continue the conversation, then a few minutes later it kicked back to the speakerphone. What the hell is up with the bluetooth on this phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] akash_84:
Must be a Parrot thing, I have the box standard 3000 kit I think it is... Mine's done that a few times

Bit embaressing if someone important calls, it answers but then kicks back o nthe phone speaker and turns the radio back on... but then suddenly kicks back on the car speakers again

if that makes sense :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] akash_84:
If you read back a few pages, it will say that you need to CREATE these keys if they do not already exist!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] akash_84:
The other day, I was forced to use a Nokia 6600 (before it died) and a K700 (after the 6600 died) because of a number transfer I was doing between two contracts

They required me to have both units powered on as the number transfer would happen at the same time.

Anyway, I hooked both these up to the car and despite my reports on having somewhat accepting the quality of the bluetooth sound in the car after some registry settings (Which HAVE improved), it was far from even just good having compared it with the above two units.

Both were infact TOO loud and I had to turn it down to almost the first / second notch on the volume of the bluetooth kit.

Went back to the Kaiser last night as the number transfer is complete, and anything about 60mph is now difficult to make out.

Shame really!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JDSX:
It never did that with my previous i730.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Its usually a certain key press on your device (found in the manual of your device) and also changed by the master volume setting on the today screen for phone.

Has anyone thought to check (using Kaiser Tweaks) if they have UseJointStereo set to off??

Quite a few people think that this is to do with just Wireless Stereo but it changes the output if you hear only one, or both sides of the audio channel through a mono device..(ie. UseJointStereo OFF=50% volume on a mono unit!)

I personally leave it off as it does not seem to change my Wireless Stereo BT headsets, they are still in stereo!

Just a thought! :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dogsnob:
Parrot CK3100

Having a problem with the above, when I press the green button on the parrot it takes 5 or 6 seconds to pick up the call, and more often than not the mute sign appears on the parrot which means I cant hear anyone and they cant hear me either. During the course of a 15 minute journey the phone will disconnect from the parrot 6 or 7 times. When I try to make calls using the parrot to dial the number it works maybe 1 out of 5 tries. When I select phone book and pick a letter it does not go to contacts that begin with that letter, it always goes to contacts beginning with P for some reason.

This is without a doubt the worst phone I have ever seen with regards to the operation of the bluetooth stack. It is utter garbage.

I have a 3 or 4 year old Wizard which has never ever displayed any of these simptoms with a parrot kit and I also have used 3 different nokia's with the same kit and they all work perfectly.

AAARRRGGGHHHH !!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] siersema:
New cab file for Kaiser BT

Found a message thread from yesterday that fixed most of my problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gregeast:
Could you please link to it on this thread?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
Sure here;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=352931
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smokinnjoe:
Did you try the fix with yout Tritton yet? If so do you recomend?

Someone posted a fix at: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=352931

I was looking to purchase the Tritton for my Tilt. Did the fix help with yours, and do you recommend it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sstolk:
I just brought my HTC BH M100 to the shop for repair...

And then the other day a patch comes out ARGH!

Anyone with the patch installed:

Did it work?

Is the sound quality better then before?

Talk to me guys!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rdecker692000:
I installed it; audio quality is still the same....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] expediter:
Same here unfortunately.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sixblade:
my 8010 sounds excellent guys, you can get it for around 60 or so bucks online these days
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marsb007:
most of us have problems with car kits from different manufacturers... and a lot of those are tied to the vehicle... so unless you change your vehicle, you're SOL...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] porkchop83:
so anyone got the best setting for bitrate and bit pool setting??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sstolk:
Any news on this? The headset is switched for a new one (htc m100)... same F***ing problem. Going back tomorrow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sstolk:
Mkay, The headset which was switched has the same problem. I've got the Jabra 5020 right now with no prblem at all...... Only... the range is less then 1 meter :( Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. So still waiting for an update.

Greetz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
bit pool : 58

bitrate: 48000
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cybersphere01:
Can we all create a list of headsets that work/dont work? I am looking to get a headset that works well with the tilt. I have tried a few that I will list.

All the ones below suffer from popping/cracking and low audio:

Jabra BT150

Jabra BT350

Plantronics Voyager 520

Plantronics Explorer 220

Can anyone list some that have good audio? Possibly some that are reasonably priced at around $70 and below...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Jabra 8010 works very well

Jabra 320s is also good

Motorola HT820 i use at the moment is also very good
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cybersphere01:
The trouble is not with stereo headsets with with regular wireless headsets.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ericc191:
Plantronics Discovery 655 is one of the worst BT headsets I've ever used on the Tilt. If you are walking outside, you won't even be able to hear the person on the other line due to enormous crackling and popping.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ckole:
I have the Plantronics 855. At first it worked great. Then the crackling returned. It does work really well with music. Seems to be hit and miss with phone calls. Not sure what negatively impacts the reception. Generally people on the other end can't hear the pops, crackling, etc.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sz0pf1:
Best BT Headset with the Tilt

I currently use the Plantronics 655 headset.

- The sound is great, it's, loud, good to rich tonal quality, clear, and noise free. In fact when the headset plays back my own recorded voice for confirmation on voice dail the sound quality is exceptional. Bose would be proud.:)

- Fit is comfortable but I do use the optional ear loop to keep it secure. (Note: When not wearing the headset it is somewhat easy to twist the gel ear piece and have the ear piece and ear loop come off. This is not a show stopper but you do have to be careful.)

- Buttons are small and hard to push but after a period of adjustment you get use to them and it's not a significant issue for me.

- There is a range issue but I'm not sure yet how significant it is. I use my headset while driving and it's not a problem. (I have not tried it outside in a noisey environment.)

- The blue flashing LED can not be turned off. At night, if you use the headset in your left ear the LED light bounces off the driver's window and it is annoying. Also, during the day I like the ability to turn it off and on the 655 you can't.

I have a Jawbone that works great with my 8525 but I'm not able to use it with my Tilt because the sound quality is too tinny. With any background noise at all I can't make out the words. Unquestionably though, of all the headsets I have or have tried, the Jawbone delivers the best noise reduction.

I have also tried the Ant Z9 and the Jabra 8040 but although they appear to be great headsets they do not work with the tilt. The sound on the Z9 is way too tinny like the Jawbone and the volume on the 8040 doesn't come even close to the level needed to be able to use it with background noise.

I also have an older Jabra BT250 and have found it to be usable but it has no noise reduction and the sound quality is not on par with the 655.

For now I'm happy with and am enjoying my 655 but I will continue to look for the Perfect headset. I will continue to look for a headset that gives me the sound quality and comfort fit of the 655 but with out the issues that I identified above.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Between the 655 and the Voyager 510, the 510 is magnitudes better.

510 has better range, much longer battery life, less to no crackling, no stupid NR to ruin the sound for the other end, better ear gripping and fitting, and so on. There's a reason it's rated so high on Amazon too.

I use the 510 for high-noise environments/general usage, and 655 for low noise/soft-talking/phone-really-really-close-by usages.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cybersphere01:
I just got a Motorola H700 in the mail today and I have to say the volume compared to all the other headsets Ive tried is way better. Not much poping and cracking either. I think I will stick with this headset for now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lakrfan348:
I've gone through more then a few bluetooth headsets in the past couple of months.. I had to return 4 of them.. I've tried the jabra BT6040, Jawbone, Plantronics(forgot the model number) but 2 different ones... So I gave the Motorola H12 pure a shot... The volume is the highest I've found.. The sound is better then all the rest but still a bit different compared to when I had my Tytn(8525). But this is the best I've found
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
It is obvious from this thread that many devices have different volume capabilities but that is understandable.

One thing that most forget is that many BT audio devices have a default low start-up volume level designed to protect the users ear-drum within ISO (or whatever market sold) limits.

Whenever you start using the device you may need to turn up the volume (found in its user manual) to your required level and this will reset on next use to default low. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sz0pf1:
Volume and BT Sound Quality

Achieving a sufficient level of volume on a BT headset is a problem in general and it is especially a problem with the Tilt. On the Tilt though, the bigger problem to me is the loss of tonal quality. Headsets that work great with my 8525 (i.e. my Jawbone) do not deliver enough tonal quality on my Tilt to be usable. The delivered sound has much of the lower frequencies lost so that the sound is very tinny. Therefore, not only does the sound sound bad, but in an environment with any nosie at all the headsets almost become unusable.

It would be more meaninful to me if when people post comments about headsets that they have tried or are currently using, if they would also comment on the tonal quality of the device that they are using.

I'm currently evaluating the new Motorola H12 headset and I find the volume to be maybe OK but I'm struggling with trying to decide if the tonal quality is good enough to keep it. I'm going to have to test it for a couple of days to see. For my needs, right now, I suspect that it will be going back but I will give it a couple of days and see.

Note: As I stated in my earlier posting I have found that the Plantronics 655 works pretty well with the tilt but due to the design/performance issues that I stated I am still looking for the "Perfect" headset. The 655 does deliver good sound level and fairly rich sounding sound but it does have some other issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
Round and round we go, it's very well documented, from day one, that the Kaiser's BT "headset" profile is tinny and volume is lower than previous models like the 8525. Some headsets fair a little better, but what the hell!

This really should be added to the "class action" thread as this really is a bug in the Kaiser software and none of the tweaks have solved it to date. As BT headset support is a critical feature in a PDA phone, this is un-acceptable and HTC should be chastised for this. In my opinion this is more important than video drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cushcalc:
Speakerphone quality poor . . .

Well I respectfully disagree RE: Speakerphone - it is very tinny IMO, and

full

of distortion at high volume - my 8125 is several orders of magnitude better in this respect (of course it has stereo speakers, albeit very small). The fact that the speaker is on the back side is part of the problem I think, because it is projecting down onto whatever surface the phone might be sitting on, and causing vibration distortion.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marsb007:
I agree with most of what you're saying... It's really crappy that as far as BT is concerned the Kaiser is a downgrade from prior models. I am hopeful that some of the wonderfully skilled people on this forum will find a solution or that by a miracle, either Microsoft or HTC will realize the screw-up.

Either way, a class action would resolve nothing, as I am sure Microsoft and/or HTC would just point fingers at each other and to the car/BT manufacturers. They would bring the list of BT headsets/vehicles which work and would blame everything on the manufacturer of those items that don't work... Don't forget that lawsuits take a long time to resolve... far longer than the life cycle of one of these phones. By the time the litigation would be resolved, I would probably have purchased 2 other phones...

Simplest thing is to just find a fix and save face. THE reason why I still have my Tytn is the BT issue. Unless they find a solution I envision I will just buy the 3g iPhone when it comes out...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sunil23:
All,

Reference the suggestions in the thread below:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1841819

Applying two cabs (one of which came from this thread) mentioned in the thread above solved my echo problem as well as enhanced the call quality for folks on the other end.

Good luck!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] superalpha:
I agree - my 3 headsets are plenty loud on my RAZR. My solution for now is to use my stereo headset as it allows the volume to be set to a maximum and the phone deviates from there. Its maximum is LOUD! I can hear while driving, again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pantelis25:
hi did anyone notice that bluetooth headset's volume is different when you are calling a landline (high) rather than calling another mobile phone (low)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hello77:
This does not necessarily relate to bt sound quality; but has anyone also noticed that the speaker phone has problems as well. Specifically, when i call using the speaker phone, i can hear them, but they cant hear me or say i am garbled. It does not happen every call; but more often than not (more than 50% of the time). I have microphone gain disabled; but does nothing to resolve problem. Never had a problem with any other phone relating to speaker; but with tytnii it is problem. Was thinking to go to bt but prefer speaker (and considering problems with bt posted in this thread, dont know if its worth it. There was another post on the speaker issue but sort of died without resolution.At any rate, just wondering if others noticed a problem with using the speaker phone as well and if any resolution was ever found; know its sort of off topic; but both bt and speaker issue both relate to hands free operation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pantelis25:
have also the speaker problem but no resolution yet....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benfica88:
same here...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marsb007:
anyone's problems get better/disappear with the 6.1 roms?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jay2TheRescue:
My Tilt is loud with BT. I've noticed a quirk with it though. On all other phones I've had bumping up the volume on the phone bumped the headset, and turning down the headset turned down the phone. Not on the Tilt. The phone and headset volumes are independent for some reason. I turn the volume all the way up on the phone, and then I get additional gains when I turn the volume up on the headset. ??? I don't know why it does this, but it does.

I can actually get it too loud with my Motorola H700 headset, and I have a partial hearing loss.

-Jay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pantelis25:
for sure problem is fixed with 6.1 at least with the 3.03.405 radio 1.64.06.04.

What we need is someone finding the fix and give it to us.