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[Xperia Z5 General] mgolder:
I am the target of smaller ones?! Smaller phones? Erm, nope, but nice try at making an assumption. I wouldn't use a 5" phone at all thank you very much. So no, I am not the target. I can just understand that the vast majority of Sony phone buyers are happy with 4.6-5 inch screen clearly. Otherwise, they would have made more larger screen devices. It isn't rocket science to understand. Sony do not care that 'some' people want bigger phones all the time. As those people are far outweighed by the people wanting a more reasonable size device. So, as they are a business, they go where the larger amount of money is, and that is small/medium size screen of various specs and prices to try to appeal the the majority.

You and a few other people online whinging about wanting 6 inch screens does not equal an actual demand for it that Sony can justify investing in. You need to understand that.

And once again, dear god stop moaning about a company bringing out a new range of devices! Sony do this every 6 months, yet somehow now it is a major problem to you.

Stick to the topic of the bloody thread or go make your own 'moaning about the x series cos sony is bad' thread.
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
And your source for this information?

Stop talking nonsense unless you know for sure, because right now Sony have announced the Z5 will be the last Z series.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/24/confirmed-xperia-z-series-is-no-more/
[Xperia Z5 General] Sh4rkill3r:
Someone realized that the tweet from SonyXperiaGB announcing the release of MM at 7th March was deleted?

https://twitter.com/sonyxperiagb/status/699247775989501952
[Xperia Z5 General] ChristianLetti:
I'm just giving me 2 cents...

Probably not coming march either... Just as things are going, it really seems like it.
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
I don't know what the heck is going on.

A very diplomatic answer, but two things comes in my mind, I think this makes sense because there can't be two flagships at the same time, so Z series is definitely dead if X series is coming with latest tech sony can offer.

Secondly, sony may be planning like shame**** to launch devices like Note and Galaxy series. I doubt on that part but I hope this is true.
[Xperia Z5 General] DZH1:
Sony Mobile Japan doesn't make the low and mid range phones ( other than J1 and A4 ) available through DoCoMo, AU or Softbank, so if they dont market the Xperia X models on the Sony Mobile Japan site soon, I assume the next Z6 is on the way.

Now, if X series does go to DoCoMo etc... then well not sure.
[Xperia Z5 General] AndroPlus:
Sony says they will sell X Performance (no X or XA) in Japan.

http://www.sonymobile.co.jp/company/press/entry/2016/0222_1_mwc2016.html
[Xperia Z5 General] DZH1:
Wow then there we go. ( yeah they don't really do mid range )

side note I love the blue A4, but $550 "unlocked" ( no WCDMA ) , yikes
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
MM is coming soon this year stay tuned lol
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
Lol f*** Sony is really really slow updating.

How many devices have got MM so far? (Ignoring old Lollipop devices that doesn't count like the Moto X 2013).

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] vif81:
My wife's Moto G got it... Could buy 5 of these with the Z5...

Battery life really sucks (I had an extraordinary Z3 before)...
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Hahaha! Now it will be end of March of April, then June and so on, hahaha!

Z5 is really abandoned as it is not getting any updates since over 4 months... This is pathetic...

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+ I expect this device will be updated over 3 years instead of 2 as it is not about the time only, but about amount of support it receives too.

Who cares about 2 years updates if they are going to release only 2 uypdates within this time as they are so lazy devs...

Sony is really retarded nowadays...

I told you it is ready, they are just waiting till X Poodformance will be released as it MUST receive it 1st before our Z5 hahah!!!

I will remind you this!

The reason they are still delaying it is they want it as one of ke selling points for X mid-rangers :) :) :)

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So funny they are delaying it with purpose to its almost stock launcher :)

I will laugh even more when it will came in June with bugs :D
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
i really want to see who is going to buy xperia x perfomance after knowing that Z5 have really bad support, or does z5 have at all support?
[Xperia Z5 General] gamer649:
Damn, do you ever stop complaining? That's all what you ever seem to post.

Yeah Sony is bad for updates, oh well. Deal with it, if you don't want to get rid of the phone and get a brand what has fast updates.
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
I want to complain, would you let me?
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
Still no news but since Z3+/Z4 already certified 6.0.1, so it will be coming soon on Z5 too probably still working on camera, have heard they just updated the camera from 2.0 to 3.0. But I guess the date will be real end of March or early April now.
[Xperia Z5 General] zegun:
Just a quick info.

A friend got a hand of a couple of Sony's LL rom and compared it with past roms.

What takes Sony so long in updating is because they had to write a custom driver for their camera, sd cards, and other stuffs themselves.

Reason is, they have too many parts coming from other manufacturers like Foxconn, Samsung, Hynix, Toshiba, etc to form a single phone.

Compared to Samsung who literally can make 90% parts of their phone themselves.

I did say Sony writes their own camera driver right? Yep, every-damn-update.

They write a new one for every damn update.

Also compared to Samsung that dont update their camera driver. They use what they get stock from Sony. If Sony dont release an update for others, Samsung wont.

But for Sony themselves ? Every-damn-update (again), their DRM stuff also contributes to how long it takes.

Im sure you guys remember how Z1 acts with a broken camera DRM lol.

But this is where we think it's stupid. Trying to fix something that's not broken? Or at least make the camera perform better..... Much better.....
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Ah ha, an no other manufacturer does what you just said? Yep them all.

And for most of them use Sony sensor for the camera, I think Sony would not need so much time as others to implement their own sensor, so that just saved them a whole bunch of time.

They are just plain useless, and slow at updating. Always have been and highly likely always will be. Until they break this habit they will struggle to achieve anywhere near what they had set out too.

When they launched the Z series, they wanted to be the top selling mobile phone, that failed big time, they just made it in as others in the global sales. Slow to update this phone with new OS's, and only 6 months later Launch the Z1, slower updates now, and 6 months later Z2, real slow updates. Only 6 months more Z3...Z3+,Z5... Now horrendously slow updates.

So in summary Sony has over twice the number of flagship phones since the launch of Z than any of the other competitors, means twice the amount of work to support or update. If they had stuck to once a year like all the others, we would be suffering right now but nothing like we are now with the slowness of updates.
[Xperia Z5 General] zegun:
That's why i dont understand why Sony had to write their own proprietary driver for their own devices every time an update comes
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
[MENTION=4724800]zegun[/MENTION] [MENTION=4169899]danw_oz[/MENTION]

And that's the reason I'll try to buy another brand (no way a Samsung) after I finish with my Z5 Compact. I hate all the software bull**** that Sony needs to put in the AOSP to make their phone actually works. (And Samsung is no better, they still have a lot of custom frameworks, they just put more money in software update to create faster that same bull****).

Android, in general, works much better if you try to adapt your hardware to the entire ecosystem, using standard methods. Not all the custom software that Samsung / Sony and many more put in their phones (like the DRM etc).

The only thing I could buy in a future is a Nexus (I had 5 different nexus devices, had complaints, but the only reason I didn't buy a 2016 Nexus is the size of the phone) or maybe a Motorola (I don't like the size of Moto phones, but I hope they release a hi-end mid-size phone in a future. Still, Motorola is not the same after the Lenovo takeover).

Afer seeing all that "developer.sonymobile.com" effort with Sony. I gave them a chance. "Maybe they're trying to do fast updates this time, with the Z5 line". "AOSP stable binaries and drivers", "No DRM erase, bah, No DRM **** at all".

Then I saw the MM concept for Z3 released at a really good time, and after several months we're still waiting with no signals for the buggy Z5 firmware.

Not to mention that all the Sony AOSP binaries are bull****. They still don't provide fast and stable binaries. And they still punish you if you open your bootloader!
[Xperia Z5 General] Phazonclash:
Too many apologists here that are unable to be honest with themselves because of their bias towards Sony :) That's the sad reality.

Somehow, they remind me of these Apple zealots who are unable to recognize the iPhone has flaws.
[Xperia Z5 General] Azdian:
I like how fanboys would say anything even if it sounds stupid to find excuses for Sony!

You all know such behavior will never be helpful neither for Sony or the customers.
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
Sony is the best, but im with you BTW
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Where do you have these news from they updated camera?

Any source?

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I do not think it is correct,

if Samsung is not updating its drivers for camera and uses only stock ones from Sony, then how come Galaxy series is taking better pictures than Sony Z series???

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Now Galaxy S7 is coming with FREE Google VR wow!

This is an addition to the box, how OPPOSITE to Sony who instead of adding some accessories to its flagships decided to even take it off like headphones, no matter there is still dedicated place for headphones within the box. Empty place...

So far S7 looks really great and premium, in comparison to X mid rangers.

Wondering if Sony will release any flagship device this year or they just gave up completely = heading to closure or selling division.
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Agreed, Samsung software is horrible and laggy, and always has been, and I really don't like their customisation.

HTC was my previous phones before all the Sony ones, ditched them as soon as they dropped sd slot, and started with all the ultrapixel garbage (which I helped to get that marketing closed now) compare SLR with Phone campaign at about 300 pixels, get real LOL, I sent them a Nokia N70 pic at that resolution and asked them to see how much better their phone photos were compared to that. I also wouldn't go with HTC until they power their 5V the USB slot, so you can control cameras, and other MHL devices without a seperate power supply.

I don't like some of the borderline and straight out spying with the new nexus devices.

So I am not sure now what my next phone is going to be.

The biggest problem is the new security release policy promised by google. Samsung is now rolling the newest security updates. Based on previous history Sony will just give us the oldest MM, then continue to be months behind on the security patching, not really acceptable in todays world with so many exploits... coming out. Sony were also real slow in releasing the MMS virus security patch, IMO that is completely unacceptable.
[Xperia Z5 General] zegun:
[MENTION=3698574]decomposed[/MENTION]

Nano machines, son

*slap*

Jokes aside.

Drivers and tuning are 2 different things.

Drivers lets the camera module run in the firmware, while the tunings are done not by Sony but by the oem

Heck, even we can tune how a phone's camera image quality by rooting
[Xperia Z5 General] Snaqejack:
This thread sure is going places, it should win some kind of award...

Something like Most crying on the Internet in a single place

Skickat från min SM-N910F via Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] Azdian:
Or something like Most-ignorant-butthurt fanboys who cry and attack other customers for criticizing Sony.

never seen such horrible and childish fanboys!
[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
"Sony sees no more innovations in smartphone market says Sony CEO" titles like this all over german newspapers.

I just thought: Yeah. They show this to us since months.
[Xperia Z5 General] Rogoshin:
Did you look in the mirror, childish my god. What about you stay on topic.

Sendt fra min E6653 med Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
Guyz today i got an update of Software Update app

Now updated to 3.1.2.A.0.8

Anybody else got the same update?
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
got a screenshot?
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
I got it a week ago. But it's just the app...so far nothing exciting

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
Right here.

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Yeah you are right but it's relevant. ?
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Now we can confirm that MM will be this year ??
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Does anyone knows why they decided to remove small apps from MM updates?

I understand Z compact users may not be using it very often, but normal Z and Premium ones yes. I see it very useful on my normal Z... For me it is another step back :(
[Xperia Z5 General] koziakauzu:
They are extremely useful for currencies, unit conversions and translations on the fly, I agree that's something I'll miss if MM ever comes out....

Sent from my E6653
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
I hate that app.

Still, they must put it as an optional feature in MM at least. Or just keep it with the option to be enabled/disabled (unlike now).

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] x2srj:
I've had the update to my Z5 and Z3 Compact Tablet today (Software Update App)
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
Seems the new Software Update app has been updated to serve as a promotional tool - Amazon app has been added here (on top of already being touted in the "What's New" app).
[Xperia Z5 General] sandeep121sp121:
Yes bro, i got it today. Is it preparation for mm??[emoji6]
[Xperia Z5 General] Fekajo:
new things on XperiaFirm ?

[IMG="?"]http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/09/1456767771-what.png[/IMG]
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Do not get this constant renaming of apps,

I get the update that change the name of Socialife to "News Suite".

For some unknown reason the names are getting worse and worse, first they ,messed up Walkman, now messing with Socialife...
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
I saw this 10 days ago nothing interesting.
[Xperia Z5 General] gamer649:
From what I've seen, Sony release an update to their Software Update app before they release a big software jump, so it is likely not far off now. I think last year with the Z2 being updated to LP it took between a week and two weeks for the update to arrive.
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
Well I got this a week ago in my Z5C.

Maybe we'll see an update this week or next week.

Or (just to don't give false hope) maybe next semester....

Let's see what happens.

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
We wont get MM till xperia X is released,cause never happened before.

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This guy has MM on his phone z5c http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=65588254&postcount=174
[Xperia Z5 General] Alex1911:
Hi,

these Informations which he gave per screenshot a very easy to fake...change some things in build.prop and you are good to go with "Illusion-Droid MM release".

Best Regard's

Alex1911
[Xperia Z5 General] Konvict64:
Just saw that 2012 Xperia phones receive MM with cyanogen 13.0. And with our "latest" z phone, we are still waiting lol!
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
We don't have the security patch in the info menu so it's not an edited build.prop
[Xperia Z5 General] Alex1911:
hi,

sorry my mistake thought that also could be faked easily :eek:

Best Regard's

Alex1911
[Xperia Z5 General] LitoNi:
After reading the mock ups from android authority: LINK I am starting to feel that all OEMs already have a sense of what android N looks like or have some digital files/codes on hand and have already implemented some into its MM software. Samsung is allowing users to choose whether to keep the app drawer or not in S7, LG completely removed it in G5, Sony's MM design language is already moving towards android N's design language as shown in Xperia X. Wish android N comes faster.
[Xperia Z5 General] DionKS:
Who knows how long it's going to take for sony to release android n after its out, currently the speed of them releasing android m is disappointing, I still hope its 6.0.1 instead of 6.0.0
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
You can hope all you want, we have hoped for years that Sony's delay was releasing latest release and not the earliest, and every time the earliest is what got delivered, will be hugely surprised if they do this, if they do, it will be a rung back in their ladder.
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Yes that is why they are delaying it with purpose. Told you June / July will be the rolling date...

My last Xperia as due to above Z5 is abandoned.
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
you can't talk here about sony like that

brace yourselves....
[Xperia Z5 General] DionKS:
Well guess I can flush my hopes down the toilet :p
[Xperia Z5 General] gamer649:
What makes you think that? Last year Sony announced 2 phones and a tablet for a spring/summer release. They were released in June, LP rolled in March, three months before the phones released.
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
Guyz don't fight for nonsense.

We will get to know in less than a week. Hope for the best. ?
[Xperia Z5 General] jcvai:
Because CM have much developers, many of them are guru, some of like Sony and make firmware for liked devices.

But Sony have only one software developer that closed in it workroom 4 years ago and hangs while compiling android camera software.

It's easy.

Отправлено с моего SGP621 через Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirk0625:
I'm just gonna be patient. I've switched back to my Nexus 5X, because I get better T-Mo reception on it. After I play around with the APNs, I might switch back. Still curious to see what this MM update will bring. If it brings back the fingerprint sensor, I'll switch back to the Z5 permanently. I miss the 810 and 3 GB of RAM.
[Xperia Z5 General] bartolo5:
What do you mean with 'bringing back'? I'm noticed my Z5 fingerprint sensor is super flaky but it's probably a software thing. Trying to use fingerprint sensor from deep sleep will often fail in the seconds after waking phone up with a press. If you press again in the *very same position* with your finger after phone has woken up and works just fine. Sort of like some service didn't wake up in time. Love my z5 phone but the 5.1 experience is pretty bad at the moment. Hope they fix it on MM.
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirk0625:
I mean that I have the US version (E6603) which comes with the fingerprint sensor disabled. Since they included (seemingly) the same fingerprint sensor on the new X models, hopefully they figured out things on the software side and will re-enable it on the US ver with the MM update.
[Xperia Z5 General] bartolo5:
I doubt it. If the reason for removing the fingerprint was indeed that it works poorly they may enable it again.

But you can just flash any firmware from any other region *right now* and you'll get it back. There's no downside to it.
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirk0625:
I don't need to be rooted or have the bootloader unlocked? I've asked this question in the thread for the fix, but haven't received an answer.
[Xperia Z5 General] bartolo5:
Not at all!

If you install official Sony firmware, they are digitally signed by Sony and your phone will take them without modification or losing anything. You can install any firmware for your E6603 that you see on XperiFirm, then use flashtool to flash. You'll end with a Z5 from whatever region you install from and keep getting updates from that region. Any firmware but USA will have fingerprint enabled. You can download FTFs from the mail thread and flash does with flashtool right away.
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirk0625:
Thank you so much! I've been on the fence on trying this, but I'll do it. I appreciate the quick reply.
[Xperia Z5 General] E5823:
(slightly off topic)

Yep, great work by Sony. If you don't install Amazon (what will be next, Facebook?...) from "What's New", or just ignore/disable that app, they have now moved on to trying to force it down your throat through "Software udtate". I hope this kind of marketing/forced aftermarket bundling will have a nice boomerang effect by way of annoyed users.

Here's a copy of what I wrote in an email to Sony earlier today:

"Software update app Xperia Z5 Compact

Now my life is soo much better, thank you so much for the recent update to the Software update app, to version 3.1.2.A.0.8!!

Now I can shop till I drop, with critical and essential Amazon app!!, I never would have been able to find this app on my own!

Before I was under the naive assumption that the Software update app was there for lame updates, to OS and firmware and drivers and security patches (hahahah, haven't seen those in ages), not these crucial and critical commercial apps!

BUT, having bought an expensive and almost-flagship phone, it is SO MUCH BETTER to have commercial apps force-fed through the system than to ever receive needed firmware updates fixing long known bugs or, heaven forbid, actually updating the OS.

Thank you SONY, good job good effort!"

I don't harbor any illusions that anything will come from it, though if many customers complain perhaps something eventually will reach the actual decision makers. Unlikely...
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
Already happened. My Z5 came with Facebook already installed (carrier free phone too). It even left some Facebook processes behind when I uninstalled the app!
[Xperia Z5 General] E5823:
I know, mine too. All of them I guess. It and all derivatives was the very first thing I got rid of. I more meant I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to force it back onto my/our phones, maybe with "Software update".
[Xperia Z5 General] zippy01:
So is the hardware definitely there?
[Xperia Z5 General] NewBieSS:
Official firmware : 32.1.A.1.150

OTA update : 1269.2MB

Source: I saw from Xperia Z5 Facebook page.
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
The update is here????!!!!

https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/info/notice/page/160302_00.html
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
yup, but software build no. of international and JP model is different.
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
Link ? please?
[Xperia Z5 General] NewBieSS:
Here is the screenshot from the Page
[Xperia Z5 General] agentsandy007:
Troll much
[Xperia Z5 General] morebube:
Out now !!!
[Xperia Z5 General] LitoNi:
did some quick digging and found out that our lovely Z5 series will "

NOT

" get the new Xperia X UI, this is so sad, really sad :crying::crying::crying::crying: check out the screenies from below, source is directly from SONY JAPAN. That is it guys, anyone hoping for the new sexy lockscreen, notification drawer etc.... well ... Sony just knocked on your door and said F*** You, buy our Xperia X or root your phone and hope someone can port the entire thing over. Another explanation is that the minor UI changes are for android N, since release date of Xperia X is close to Google's IO. oh wellz

Source: L i n k

another one from the other site: L i n k
[Xperia Z5 General] mrew42:
Can't believe some people are getting so overwrought about a UI. lol.

First world problems eh?
[Xperia Z5 General] NewBieSS:
That's only carrier update. I beleive the internal version will get latest Xperia UI.