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[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
DeadPool and DeusEx behave differently thus each are for different use cases.You should use what works best for you. Try a new profile, if it's no better than your last one then forget about it and try another.

You are pretty much a light user but still one app or peripheral ( like smart watch, bluetooth, etc) could cause high drain

Do you know which profile does not have the idle drain issue you're seeing at the moment?

Also give the new Saber V2 a try you might like it.
[Nexus 6P General] Prattham:
Gave another shot to saberv2

By 5% i was at 5hr sot with almost 19 to 20 hours of the charger and screen off was for around 16 hour something and lost 20% during idle

But it lagged

I mean duex also lags and every profile on this thread that is conservative based lags but saber is noticeable specially during typing

Or maybe it's because of SwiftKey keyboard

For ex I'll type 3 4 words quickly and it will take around a sec or two to finish up

Doesn't happens on dragonfly nor even in duex, if ever happened that would have been very rare case scenarios

Also the device runs relatively warm

Edit : i dont know if there is any need for it but where is DragonFly v2:D [MENTION=4151089]xperator[/MENTION]
[Nexus 6P General] resynx:
I second this statement ;)
[Nexus 6P General] bgboii:
No one uses glass fish?
[Nexus 6P General] nathanchance:
I do.
[Nexus 6P General] bgboii:
I do too! Using your settings as well.
[Nexus 6P General] shuckeru:
Would say that I've never had a problem typing on stock keyboard except stuttering from Hawktail and I consider myself a decent thumb typer. :good::good: as in I can touch type, not looking at the screen at a decent pace, or if im one handed I'll swipe to type
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
No one reported any lags with Saber V2. Actually users reported it as a zero-lag experience. Something is up about your environment mate

It's probably your keyboard. See if it lags with Google Keyboard. I don't think it would.
[Nexus 6P General] GoldElocks:
Well my first experience with Saber V2 was very positive. It's given me a full day of mostly light usage with nearly 50% battery remaining. Today was a lighter usage day than normal but I experienced no significant lags especially texting and typing using SwiftKey beta.

I keep everything syncing in the background, Google Now, location on, WiFi mixed with some 4g and Bluetooth, and screen around 40% most of the day.

Will give it another go tomorrow but at this point it feels similar to blackpepper v2 with possibly better battery life [Spolier] [/Spoiler]
[Nexus 6P General] Juzman:
Saber V2 running beautifully with PN + AOSP keyboard, and Ninja 1.7.1.
[Nexus 6P General] joeyfong:
I am using SwiftKey, a bit lag
[Nexus 6P General] Daandofreak:
Trying deadpool now. It's like Saber v2, can't see big difference. Working well. Is deadpool more battery friendly then saberv2?
[Nexus 6P General] ffh2303:
Hi, with stock N + Ninja kernel v3.3 should I use msm_thermal or core control when used with the GlassFish1.2 and HawkTail1.2 profiles?
[Nexus 6P General] Daandofreak:
So far i am in love with Excalibur v2, wow so fast responsive and good battery.
[Nexus 6P General] ariefabuzaky:
Msm_thermal
[Nexus 6P General] flunk03:
Deusex and blackpepper v2 gave me the lowest idle drain.
[Nexus 6P General] kyzn:
The V4A friendly profiles are Dragonfly, BlackPepper V2, Deadpool, Excalibur V2. Everything causes audio crackling. I prefer Deadpool or BlackPepper V2 - when in deep sleep, my phone flatlines.
[Nexus 6P General] flunk03:
Well swift key as a keyboard is prone to lags so try running a different keyboard and see if you still experience the same.
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
I have been running SaberV2 since it was posted and I do not have that issue. I'm using the Google keyboard though. O used Swiftkey long ago. Prob 3 or 4 years ago and it always had lag for me then. Give Google keyboard a shot.
[Nexus 6P General] cocchiararo:
Just came to this "world", as a side effect of the not so good android 7.0 for my 6p :P

I am now trying "deadpool" on my 6p with "stock" elementalX under 7.0.

Any other profile that can be recomended for good performance and better than stock battery?

ps: i seem to find no "saberv2"
[Nexus 6P General] ariefabuzaky:
You can find in [MENTION=4151089]xperator[/MENTION] signature
[Nexus 6P General] masri1987:
weird because i never got flatline sleep on deadpool, but i am getting that on saber v2.
[Nexus 6P General] kyzn:
Mileage will of course vary. Dependent on your setup and apps installed. Saber V2 is a battery focused profile vs Deadpool's focus on performance.

I have never used Saber V2 as its very aggressive in saving your battery. Even when I don't want it to.
[Nexus 6P General] shuckeru:
I don't think you're selling your opinion very well...

First you state you never used saber v2 before then make assumptions on battery aggressiveness when it was clearly wasn't just made for that. If you did use saber v2 and read where saber v2's inspiration you'd find performance in heavy loads are close to Excalibur and DeuxEx. And I am quite sure it is not just battery oriented, but "no lag" oriented instead.

I suggest you try saber v2 and then form a second opinion.

- regards,

Someone who is using saber v2 now.

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Maybe you just need to let the profile settle in, and also wait to see what happens when Google services is not being a PITA
[Nexus 6P General] Subhojit:
I have applied GlassFish with ElementalX Kernel. Will it be fine to apply Xthermal Mod -Fast Charging + Some CPU/GPU Tweaks mod along with CTTMod ?
[Nexus 6P General] pa.pn2:
Do i see it correct that in saberv2 no input boost is set?
[Nexus 6P General] danmaman:
Yeah you see it right

No input boost
[Nexus 6P General] kyzn:
Okay, never wasn't the right word. I used Saber V2 for a couple of minutes. And immediately regretted it.

Performance for me is based on how well a profile handles V4A. Several seconds after the opening of a song, Saber V2 made my ears bleed. It immediately didn't make the cut.

Deus Ex also was nixed in a similar fashion.
[Nexus 6P General] kyle_el:
I have absolutely never liked a profile after only minutes of use (aside from Dragonfly). I also rarely notice conflicts with V4A or ARISE using any governors. There are lots of other people reading these threads who never post but trust what someone says when they see "Senior Member" near the poster's name. Try not to comment on something unless you've had legitimate experience with it ;)

That said, I see you post all the time and most of what you say is useful and informative. Good job! :highfive:
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
Those who have V4A issues send me your V4A setup and tell when/how the sound crackles

Also anyone who is lagging on SwiftKey tell me exact version you're using plus all your settings ( key animations, suggestion, vibration, etc...)
[Nexus 6P General] Prattham:
SwiftKey version 9.3.9. 79 TBO version

But also tested with the normal version as well

Default animations

No vibrations or key press sound

No auto correct

Prediction on

Anything else let me know

Cheers :highfive:
[Nexus 6P General] flunk03:
No issues with Arise/v4a on deus ex. I run Apple music or poweramp accordingly and no issues with it. Which version of arise are you on?
[Nexus 6P General] ariefabuzaky:
Yes deusex is most suitable for Arise/v4a,

Its strange,iam running saberv2 in nougat and never get sound crackling but after downgraded to MM its most noticable. Both os have enabled yankhotplug
[Nexus 6P General] shadowstep:
Yes, it will be fine. Also, you mean my combination of CTTMod + Xthermal FastCharge Mod posted here, right? Because there is no other way of using these two tweaks together as they both modify the same thermal file and flashing one on top of the other would only override the previous values, thus rendering the first flash useless.

Do note that the EXKM Profile - A.R.I.S.E. compatibility depends a lot on the settings/profile you have in A.R.I.S.E.'s V4A app as well as whether or not you use Dolby Atmos along with it or not. There can be a possibility that if you change your A.R.I.S.E. profile in V4A to a profile that does not require as much load to process sound as your current A.R.I.S.E. profile, or switch off Dolby Atmos if you use it, then the crackling sound might disappear.

It's all very subjective and depends case-to-case and setup-to-setup. For example, I did not face any crackling sound while using A.R.I.S.E. with either Saber v2 or DeusEx. I do not use Dolby Atmos and custom tweak my settings in V4A.

This also does not mean that there can't exist a profile so conservative that no matter what the settings, you still get a crackling sound while playing music. It all depends! :)
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
I just tested SwiftKey. First of all right after I installed it cpu load increased by 5 to 15 percent . Although there was no lag issues when I was typing.

I eyeballed the clock rates while typing and it kept using higher clocks a lot with many spikes to maximum clocks. So compared to Google Keyboard I can say SwiftKey is definitely not very well optimized and not to mention the constant increase in system load is shady.

If you want to squeeze more battery life from your phone and get better average SOT hours you better move away from SwiftKey and find a keyboard that doesn't lag and is optimized to use very tiny system resources.
[Nexus 6P General] BlackL0dge:
Any suggestions? I can't find anything that compares to SwiftKey in umm.. autocorrectness.. :o
[Nexus 6P General] Kappa Lamda:
I've never liked Swiftkey. Always thought of it as a very heavy app.

I am fan of Fleksy though. Not only is very good with autocorrection, but with a swipe up you can add very quick your words. So you create your own dictionary! Of course for me it is very convinient as Greek people tend to write on chats on greeklish(language does not exist, it is greek words only written with English alphabet) so I've teached my keyboard to know what I want to write even in Greeklish.
[Nexus 6P General] BlackL0dge:
I'll give it a shot. Flesky has been around forever, and I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't really tried it. I'm from the States, but live in Istanbul so being able to add Turklish words would be handy. Thank you!
[Nexus 6P General] Prattham:
The only reason i dont wanna move away from it is because of the words i have made it learnt lol

Best prediction algorithm i guess goes to SwiftKey

I don't see myself using any other keyboard not that i have not tried them

Anyways thank you for testing [MENTION=4151089]xperator[/MENTION]:highfive:

Also

If anyone is wondering about Drangonfly, here you go
[Nexus 6P General] kyzn:
Lots of quotes. In the interest of time. Lol.

I concede that any profile (or custom kernel) will probably work depending in your V4A settings. It's just that my favorite setting involve IRS, Firequalizer, DDC, Field Surround and Subwoofer for Bass - all adding to hogging the system. No Dolby. ARISE Numbers 3.4 at the moment.

For my player I either stream through Spotify or play my music using BlackPlayer EX.

[MENTION=3992588]experator[/MENTION] I'll PM you a copy of my current V4A profile later. Not allowed to have my phone in my workspace. For security purposes. (I'm not even supposed to be on here right now. :P )
[Nexus 6P General] Daandofreak:
Is this sot really with dragonfly profile?
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
There will be a new profile out soon but it's not DragonFly V2

So you all better report and send what we discussed. SwiftKey has no lag issues so there only remains V4A
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
New profile going to be more performance or battery driven?
[Nexus 6P General] Juzman:
Running Saber V2. Did reboot when j flashed Ninja v1.8. Should be even better with the hotplugging.
[Nexus 6P General] Prattham:
Actually I'm impressed too and surprised as well

But take into consideration that i use pitch black dark red theme which means it conserves battery as almost every app i use has a pitch black background

Cheers :highfive:
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
Battery.

This will be probably the most conservative profile
[Nexus 6P General] kyle_el:
Awesome, I'm looking forward to testing :highfive:
[Nexus 6P General] flunk03:
Swype if you prefer gesture typing. Google keyboard if you want a decent all rounder. I would have recommended Fleksy but since Pinterest bought the development team and with the lack of updates I'm not sure if it will be suitable for you in the long run.

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Will any of interactive profiles have to be modified for the hotplugging update on ninja kernel 3.4 since it offlines specific cores when the load is low?
[Nexus 6P General] kyle_el:
I always go back to the Google Keyboard. No keyboard does word predictions like Swiftkey but I find autocorrect to be much more reliable with Google. It also allows gesture cursor control and bulk word deletion. Super useful.
[Nexus 6P General] chefp2010:
What are your hotplugging settings ? With saberv2
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
If you're talking about the Big cluster cores going offline, the only profiles that are ready for such behavior are DeusEx and Saber.

And here is a spoiler for you this new one I'm working on atm only uses the Little cluster CPUs. We going to say goodbye to the Big cluster cores forever. They will be offline
[Nexus 6P General] shuckeru:
That's... Interesting :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 6P General] flunk03:
Should I ask for an ETA now:D
[Nexus 6P General] Ntress:
what's your settings for dragonfly?
[Nexus 6P General] shuckeru:
Without further ado, I present my Saber v2 test. It required a day to settle down, and *thankfully* on the first day was when google services went wild. And I'm fairly certain that this cycle was a reasonable one.

we get the magic 5hrs of SOT @ 5% But! There was 3.3hrs of light usage and 1.5hrs of heavy. So technically, if I apply some rough math using the stats I have for light drain which was under 10%/hr, 30 mins light on this profile would equate to about 10 mins of heavy. Which while respectable, is still not as good as DeusEx in mixed usage.

Most of the time using the phone I felt like I was running Dragonfly however. Phone is SUPER responsive in UI and even in games (as long as you're not on power saver). For a profile without input boost this is a night and day difference compared to Saber v1. Sometimes(rarely) I experience stutter with low FPS in a game, but few seconds later its back to normal. This profile is one of few which I experienced smooth gameplay in MMX Hillclimb (very 3d) and Royal Revolt 2 (tons of items to render on screen) and I will notice lag in Royal Revolt 2 the most but this time, not much. 0 lags in browsing around. I reckon if you had a stock 6p and another one running Saber v2, no one will be able to tell which is which, untill the stock 6p runs out of battery first.

However, when android power saver mode kicks in there was no chance of playing any game smoothly. Its still a ton better than GlassFish v1/v1.2, where the phone felt like it was dying. Here though, the UI is fine, but you just shouldn't game on it. If the phone also gets warm, the big cores will slowly(nicely) turn off one by one, and not the whole cluster at once which will have an impact on the stutter in games.

the phone managed to idle at slightly above 0.5%/hr which means even more battery for SOT

And for the icing on the cake pretty good with temperatures as well 23C at idle and 58C on heavy load, which is also probably why the phone wasn't that warm to hold.

All things considered this would definitely be a nice and responsive profile for light/mixed users. And as with Glassfish: Don't let Android power saver kick in

p.s. [MENTION=4151089]xperator[/MENTION] thanks for inserting the min/max frequencies for both clusters in the profile. This should be the way we move forward. If a user wants to overclock/underclock, they can fix that themselves.
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
Waiting for [MENTION=1290384]kyn[/MENTION]z to send his V4A profile. I think he got some heavy sound profile so I can test and make the profile V4A friendly (hopefully)
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
Are you talking about saber v2 test? Or are you working on something different? Looks like someone else posted saber v2 test. Confused.
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
Something different
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
You said big cores will be offline... Will they ever come on?
[Nexus 6P General] Prattham:
Not sure what you meant

But io is sioplus with read ahead 256

Using ninja kernel

CPU freq are the stock freq

And that's it

Cheers
[Nexus 6P General] Ntress:
im using ninja kernel too

what i meant is asking what did you change from stock settings after applying Dragonfly profile..
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
No
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
So vs hot plug are you going to name it cold plug? Haha
[Nexus 6P General] Rahhfue:
A small question to all lads who are getting 4h+ SoT easily:

Are you using any automatition apps like Tasker or IfTTT or do you consider them as battery drainers?

I personally can't live without Tasker but, and that's probably due to this fact, can't get more than 4h SOT (if I have a really good day)

Cheers
[Nexus 6P General] Ofthecats:
They do cost battery, but it depends on your usage
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
Depends on what you have Tasker doing. It can help save battery with the right profiles. I can easily get over 4 hrs sot everyday. I get 5 most of the time. I wish I could get my idle drain down but I walk and move to much for doze to ever kick in. The first thing to do is eliminate social apps. Either use a client or web browser. Facebook and Instagram eat battery
[Nexus 6P General] Rahhfue:
Pfff, I don't think I could use a custom kernel if I would still be using social apps...

It's devastating that it's not possible to send messages via Facebook using a browser but still, my battery is more important than people texting me on Facebook instead of WhatsApp :cowboy:
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
Doesn't WhatsApp use battery? I guess I have never understood why people use WhatsApp vs texting. I know absolutely no one on WhatsApp.
[Nexus 6P General] mitchdickson:
Well people who have friends internationally would disagree.

And yeah, WhatsApp uses battery, just like every single other app on your phone.
[Nexus 6P General] snoprosledneck88:
Good point. I don't have many friends locally so.... Yeah. Haha
[Nexus 6P General] kyzn:
[MENTION=4151089]xperator[/MENTION] Sent you the profile. I dunno if it was successful though, it's not showing up under sent messages. I switched the Bass from Subwoofer to Natural.
[Nexus 6P General] Juzman:
All stock.
[Nexus 6P General] Subhojit:
Could you share your profile settings?
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
Just ran the newest BioThrawn version as Root using FX File Explorer and no errors at all.

Btw, so far so good [MENTION=5323968]xSilas43[/MENTION]

Great work here, mate. The screen off battery consumption is crazy low. I'm gonna test this for 2/3 more days so I am able to have a good enough review over different ways of using the phone. Unless the battery flies while playing games, I think I found my favourite.
[Nexus 6P General] Tehpdub:
What ROM and Kernel are you running?
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
Cataclysm + Kylo R36 6.0
[Nexus 6P General] Tehpdub:
same here, not sure whats going on. now the old one works, but the updated one gives me the errors.
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
Did you try reflashing kernel? I mean if you only getting errors on the lines 22 to 30 they only turn the cores on so really you can ignore them and turn them on manually in your kernel tweaking app. if nothing at all is sticking you play need to reflash kernel or maybe eve your rom/clean install.

So it isn't sticking after you apply the script or on a reboot? could you send me a screenshot of you executing the script?

Update on my other script: The interactive based script is moving along, finished the math(I suck at spreadsheets) and writing it all today.
[Nexus 6P General] :
Any idea what happened to sonicron? We didn't geht New stuff since 1/4/16.
[Nexus 6P General] soniCron:
I posted an update to ButterFly last week and I'm working on an update to GhostPepper and working on an app to calculate target loads for any device and... I'm just swamped. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] nadiros:
Dude, you are awesome :cowboy:

Thanks for your time, and sharing.
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
Oh that app would be awesome! Also I'm not exactly sure where it pulls it from but kernel adiuter will show you the voltages for all frequencies so you can calculate efficient loads.
[Nexus 6P General] soniCron:
That requires kernel support, so it won't be available on all platforms, fwiw. First version of the app will "require" (read: support) manual input regarding which frequencies you want to favor. Later versions will use reported voltages to determine best setup.
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
That's freaking awesome! Make sure you setup a donation service too ;)
[Nexus 6P General] evocalante:
I'm also getting errors at 31 and 32.
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
That is for core 6 and 7 just to enable them online so you can ignore it and enable them in your kernel tweaking app. How are you running the script? can you give me a screenshot?
[Nexus 6P General] Ofthecats:
I can't get kylo kernel to be stable, so I can't stay on it and give input on biothrawn or sidious

Cataclysm + lean/ak/franco/elemental.

Not enough info on which is best. Leaning towards Franco for battery
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
Kylo is a very stable kernel and I'm certain that is not causing the problems, I've seen a lot of issues with Cataclysm. Many of which I have never experienced.
[Nexus 6P General] Ofthecats:
I did not mean to blame my issues on it, but to point out I've observed instability personally with kylo kernel
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
Which toolchains version did you use? because anything other than 4.9 has those possibilities, although you should be safe with 5.3. I'm glad you found one that worked for you though! I've wanted to try lean kernel but Kylo just has to much it keeps me there.
[Nexus 6P General] Ofthecats:
Oddly enough 4.9 and 5.3 I had issues with.

Have yet to try 6.0. Very likely it is my own setup that conflicts. I'll be trying newer versions though.

On lean now. Most stable has been Franco. I don't recall having a random reboot with it.

I agree on features though. I like more options. Seems I have to choose between stability and cutting edge.
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
I would try a clean install with Kylo it should fix your problems.
[Nexus 6P General] Ofthecats:
Too lazy lol.

Just flashed latest (6.0 tc) and still getting random reboots.

Would you happen to know the new method to pull kernel logs?
[Nexus 6P General] shuckeru:
read this.
[Nexus 6P General] ariefabuzaky:
Yesterday i decide to comeback to PN and now iam in it with exelent batt life,planning to stay a while until google posting N image to our nexus 6p and they do it, nexus 6p NRD90U is online

Setting : ninja 1.8 with msm_hot plug enabled,deusex profile
[Nexus 6P General] xperator:
Apparently making the big cluster go completely offline is not a good idea... There are many consequences. I thought we could get away with having them offline. But it seems the Little cluster relies too much on the Big. Even if the Big doesn't do anything it just have to be online.

Unfortunately without the Big cluster cores, the system load increases by at least 20% to 40% and that makes the Little cores go nuts. I tried to tame the Little cores using the most conservative values but it does not work. It keeps jumping to higher clocks for long periods of time.

So from what I observed this is definitely not worth it and at best it might deliver results of current profiles ( at best )
[Nexus 6P General] Balino:
There would be some random reboot as well, big cores are needed unfortunately