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[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Nice they upgraded they mid-range series with X, but still waiting for Z5's MM. really, Z5 seems to be most abandoned Z series so far in terms of updates.

And yes, not interested in any X series at all as:

1. It looks worse

2. Screen is smaller, now too small to me, still waiting for bigger screens like 5.8 - 6"

3. Premium materials are gone here : plastic frame instead of aluminium.

4. the frame arround back camera looks silly here, so shiny / colorful = definitely no any signs of elegant / premium look & feel

5. No any new wow factors, mostly copy paste of Z5

6. DECREASE IN BATTERY! I thought 2900mAh is really small for about 5 inch device, I was wrong, definitely not buying any marketings like "they improved their software for up to 2 days battery life", you will not cheat the physics, and still reminding 3200mAh in Z2 so definitely this and more is possible.

Again, Sony failed with MM already, they pretend to be last to the party again... holding the crown of shame within softwware updates.

No matter it is true or not (did not see official statements from Sony Mobile CEO - for me X will never be flagship so not interested in this kind of decrease mentioned above).
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
"A Sony spokeswoman contacted AndroidPIT this afternoon to retract the original statement. The spokeswoman said the country manager who told AndroidPIT Italy that Xperia's Z line would be dropped had 'mistakenly' revealed product roadmap details," says the report.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...-x-performance-just-replace-the-xperia-z6.htm
[Xperia Z5 General] dkionline:
That means Z7 is europe exclusive if X performance is handled like a Z4.
[Xperia Z5 General] Nimda01:
Yesterday, official twitter account [MENTION=5448027]SonyMobile[/MENTION]News said Xperia X Performance has waterproof feature.

but another official account [MENTION=1346574]SonyXperia[/MENTION] said it doesn't feature IP ratings.

and this situation now happened same with roadmap about X and Z Series device.

Look like they can provide an information about new phone a lot, even not sure it's correct or not. But can't tell us about marshmallow update so much. We only know they are still "working" and it'll coming in few weeks.
[Xperia Z5 General] pilzj:
Well at least official Sony DACH Region already confirmed this on twitter: http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php

I actually wouldn't care how it is called, if it's the flagship phone it is the flagship phone - Z6 or X Performance
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
We will be lucky if we get MM in March!!!
[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
All this waiting... and the MM rom will probably only fix the auto brightness bug but most likely won't:

- add RAW image support

- add working HDR (recent HDR does like NOTHING. Even my Nexus 4 and S5 Mini perform 5000% better in backlight conditions. Just test it in the evening: try to photograph a lamp as well as the ceiling.. one will be terrible over/underexposed. I don't know what the recent HDR is supposed to do.. but it does nothing. It should just make 2+ photos with different lightning settings and stitch them together..)

but hopefully at least it will:

- make the fingerprint reader use the android 6 api so that 3rd party apps can take use of it. If not ofc I will sell that **** asap. But most likely it will.

Other small bugs:

- Stereo speakers... you can turn videos into panorama both sides, video changes but sound does not.

- Fingerprintreader test does not work

- more I can't remember right now (but e.g. my accuracy on gmaps timeline is way worse than it was with my nexus 4 on android 6)
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
I agree with you in all your points.

- HDR is totally useless in Z5. I've been using HDR+ before and it's a must for me. This is not even HDR... They need to improve the camera in medium light / indoors. I hate to use the flash to capture details.

- Auto brightness bug is unforgivable

Believe or not, Sony has a lot of bull**** hidden in their Android firmware, that's the reason every time they release "binaries", nothing work with AOSP Android, totally opposite to 100% native firmwares like Nexus. And that's the reason there are still not many (or just stable) custom roms for Xperia, specially in MM. As you can fin in other phones like the 2013 Moto G.

Sony is not "vanilla like". Maybe the UI is similar to AOSP. But behind the carpet there is a "touchwiz_world" (If you had a Samsung you'll know what I'm saying) between AOSP and Sony Firmware. And that's why I hope the fingerprint sensor use native API. And not something like the camera (that sucks with the native camera 2 API).
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
Sure, but it's hard to deny that the X Performance – without the Z6 Premium as a "halo device" – feels like a half-flagship.

EDIT: Sorry for the OT!

To the others: anyway I have the same hopes as you wrt the Marshmallow update.

I hope you are exaggerating the touchwiz-ness of Sony firmware, but considering how long it's taking them to make MM available you seem to be right. :(

BTW, I have been wondering if e.g. the mail client is Sony-made or something like stock Android's (I have never used a Nexus device nor CM).

And decent support for third-party camera apps should really be mandatory.

I think it's quite silly to replace parts of a working system (AOSP) with custom alternatives – if they wanted to improve on Android they should rather add something like e.g. S Finder, something the base system is missing altogether.
[Xperia Z5 General] millicent:
If I understand correctly, most z5 series people impatiently waiting for mm actually want features other than mm related. That's interesting.

I mean I am in same boat, I like the phone as it is, that's why I kept it, but some software camera improvements would make it even closer to perfect. I hope for better manual controls, stabler AF, faster hdr, faster menus/controls and maybe faster overall camera operation, I don't mind the CPUs working a little bit on the hotter side, if Huawei was able to do it in their 6p so should Sony.

Please Sony, hear us!
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
[MENTION=4613375]millicent[/MENTION] you understood well. Exactly that.

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
Well... Fingerprint API is related. and Camera 2.0 API was already introduced in LL so its more than time they implement it with MM at least. But they won't.
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
seriously, i would not have anything against if we skip MM and go direct to android N, of course only if we do not have to wait for android N update like we are waiting now for MM.
[Xperia Z5 General] Wess.a:
Its nt abt just an update to be like others!! Am waiting for the MM as a life saver update :| and if they rlly failed to fix the mobile radio active bug and improve the camera and deal a bit with the heat issue, i will be soo done with that company. Idk if u r with me or not but i guess thats what really matter now.
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
But Android N will be released probably at the end of 2016 and just for Nexus and Android ONE.

So even if Sony were fast, it would still be a long wait. I its time to give the Z5 family the art of Auto Brightness.

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] Wess.a:
Actually the art of a lot of stuff :(
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
true, but remember lg.

this is so unprofessional from sony's side, they even didnt give us a date when we will get MM update, i still dont believe what sony uk said on twitter or fb.
[Xperia Z5 General] porshjosh:
So there won't be xperia z6 android authority confirms

http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-x-replacing-xperia-z-676070/
[Xperia Z5 General] ciprianmp:
... therefore, I'll stay a happy owner of the latest Sony flagship Z5 ;)

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While LG keeps the buttons on the back of their devices, I don't care whatever else they do... Lol

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[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
http://community.o2.co.uk/t5/Welcome-News/Android-6-0-Marshmallow-HUB/td-p/923104

Latest Sony update is from 18th of Feb. Let's have an eye on this thread.
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
They are hoping lol as we do ??
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
DEL............
[Xperia Z5 General] CLShortFuse:
32.0.B.0.478 dropped for Japanese devices

http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...rchives/open-source-archive-for-32-0-b-0-478/

Minor email and chat fixes.
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
Ok!!

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
I don´t have good feeling about MM will bring raw images and manual control to Z5 camera, X perfomance have MM and still does not support that.

Come on Sony, after all this, now is time to surprise your Z5 users
[Xperia Z5 General] dkionline:
I think that makes the cam not better. They should first change own software before build sources from google.
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
GSM arena weeks before posted about Z5 MM update in Turkey was a fake news and many other sites like that did the same.

So I believe same thing in the view if there will not be a Z6. I doubt to believe that for now until there is some official news from Sony.

But I'm very much sure that this isn't going to happen.

Sent from Z5 E6683
[Xperia Z5 General] NewBieSS:
Finally, Android N screenshots leaked. Lol

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Alle...ls-hamburger-menu-in-the-settings-app_id78783
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
Android N post in the "when will Sony bring us from L to M" thread.

Yup, sums Sony up perfectly and made me laugh too :)
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
I dont try to convince anyone, just relaxing a bit, update its on way... just patience is needed :)
[Xperia Z5 General] Adster013:
sorry for double posting ( in another thread) but http://www.justaboutphones.com/sony-...ow-6-0-update/ maybe soon....

[IMG="marshmallow update"]http://www.justaboutphones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Sony_xperia_Z5_Z5_compact_Z3_Z5_premium_android_6_marshmallow_update.png[/IMG]
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Thats pretty easy to fake, but hope it is reality, also it would be nice for once to get the latest release 6.0.1 for the waiting around

Also Since google have now promised to release patches every 3-4 weeks (mostly for security) I wonder what happens with us, I do know that Samsumg have also promised to release around these time frames
[Xperia Z5 General] bartolo5:
That website correctly predicted the Lollipop 5.0 release on the Z3, so there's that. Look at it here

http://www.justaboutphones.com/sony-xperia-z3-z2-z3-compact-android-lollipop-update/

5.0 showed up a week later after the OTA uploading leak.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
It should be almost ready now, not surprised preparing to roll OTA. If the delay push to late Feb or March, I'm afraid no one will buy new Xperia flagship again in the future.
[Xperia Z5 General] langeveld024:
I will ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Mennooo:
99% dont care if the updates come two or three months late, because they dont even know that a update is comming...

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[Xperia Z5 General] Bramzzz:
Today I traded my Z5 for a G4, so I will be gone from this forum, good luck with the phones guys! Ltrs!
[Xperia Z5 General] celderic:
Why did you downgrade to the g4?
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
They know that they will be coming every 3-4 weeks because that is what google promised they would release. Sony's biggest problem is launching too many flagship devices one in 6 month intervals, then trying to keep up with updates, well you get the picture
[Xperia Z5 General] Bramzzz:
I was fed up with the little issues/stutters with the phone, also I liked a little bigger screen and a better camera with more options and a screen to match the quality.

Had a G2 before this, so I'm pretty much, back home again with the software too ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
I'm considering to buy an used G2 as a spare phone. Can you tell me the screen good? when compared to Z5.
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Yes lg g2 sceen is very good,i had one for a while.
[Xperia Z5 General] Laban:
Would you say that the G4 is less stutter free? I'm no fan of the colors on the G4 skin (especially the quick settings) but I have a feeling that the UI is smoother and the camera is for sure better.
[Xperia Z5 General] Bramzzz:
Screen of the G2 was the best in that time it was sold, still think it's blazing fast and with the right ROM, very batteryfriendly! Good choice for a spare phone, just be sure to take the 32Gb version ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Bramzzz:
Yes, have to admit that the G4 has less stutters and is faster with opening apps, videos, pictures and the camera is on another level..

I think it has to do a lot with the 810 processor, the Moto X Style I had before had a 808 aswell and didn't have any stutters on that either.

Check out this youtube video of a guy trying to bog it down, he keeps trying... ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAoySwjMXtE
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
I think we will see marshmallow tomorrow,and z5 premium will get it first.
[Xperia Z5 General] ciprianmp:
That's awesome news, thanks!

Any link to the source or it just leaked out? :)

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[Xperia Z5 General] Azdian:
What made you think it's going to be released tomorrow?
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
When i check experiafirm lot of the old firmware are not available so i thought they removed them to release the new firmwares.
[Xperia Z5 General] karrouma:
Sony should pass M to N (joking)
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
We should close this thread asap. Everyone out is getting irritated b'cos of sony's delayed updates.????
[Xperia Z5 General] Amanansari:
Update coming in mid March. Official information.
[Xperia Z5 General] sdarshan10:
Any link to prove?
[Xperia Z5 General] Amanansari:
no just wait and watch.
[Xperia Z5 General] gamer649:
Source?
[Xperia Z5 General] Amanansari:
I can't tell you that but please at least use your common sense. The firmware has not been certified yet.
[Xperia Z5 General] gamer649:
Don't be so rude, you can't claim "official information" and not give any source.

Some firmwares aren't 'certified' but still get released. And as far as I'm aware PTCRB only covers firmwares for American markets.
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
Release is in one hour. I cant tell you but please use your common sense.

BTW dont ask me about

Ps Real joke

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[Xperia Z5 General] NewBieSS:
Android 6.0 certified but was back to 5.1.1
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
so I just got an ad from xperia with a big black X on it... Why yes I am waiting for my xperia z5 change to marshmallow...
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
X Perfomance is on MM concept.
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
I will eat a shoe if sony brings RAW to the z5
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
hahaha first it was 7th March, now mid March, then it will be end of March and then... :)

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Overall about X Poorformance mid-ranger:

Too many steps back, too little steps forward (only 820 can be considered as such?)

1. Smaller display - c'mon Sony, where is 5.8-6" device?

2. Worse, smaller battery - a huge step back, no one believe in your software "optimizations", you will not cheat the physics... then you will claim 3 days battery life on 1000mAh :D

3. Worse camera: IMX3018 used in X Poorformance is worse than IMX300 used in Z5 due to smaller sensor, hence smaller pixel size = less light captured = bigger noise :) And they claim again there is no big difference as they "optimized the software and alghoritms, yeah Sony, we heared it already several times... + ...

4. 3GB of RAM instead of 4GB that 2016 flagships comes with like S7 ad LG G5.

5. No FM Radio :/

6. no 4K video recording ???

And in my opinion the worst iteration of omni balance, as it looks ugly, too rounded like a Shamesung.

People asking for new design since years and they are just coming with ugliest omni balance calling it "fresh design"...

It is good mid-ranger, but far from being a flagship. 820 is too small to be called such and considering the proce, for the same amount competition has better offers, bigger screens, better cameras, more RAM, FM Radio, 4K video recording + innovations.

And I hate metal back.

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Sony showed the middle finger to its customers with X series and MM update.

Time to show middle finger to Sony too.
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
I agree with your opinion on the X Performance as an upper-mid-range.

But I like being at optimist, so I think they just need to release a good MM ASAP and a truly-flagship Z6 in six months' time to right all the wrongs. ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] porshjosh:
All I can say is if they release a sick mm update all you lads just gonna drool over it
[Xperia Z5 General] mgolder:
To say the Performance is mid range as that one guy keeps insisting, just seems stupid to me.

Demanding a 5.8-6 inch screen.... You may want it, but the general public at large, who are the people all manufacturers care about most, do not want that at all. The Compacts sell well, because they are...... Compact! Stop trying to suggest a .2" smaller screen is somehow hugely inferior.

As for the battery.... Smaller, yes. But is the 820 much better than the 810 in all areas, including battery management....yes! Meaning the battery probably doesn't need to be as big.

This stuff is all easy as hell to figure out, so stop crying because Sony have brought out more phones 6 months after a flagship (like they always do anyway) and just accept it.

And dear god, just stick to the topic of whinging about not having mm yet instead.
[Xperia Z5 General] ross23:
There will be people who, even if Sony push out an excellent Marshmallow update, will still find something to complain and b|tch about!!!

These guys are just pessimists who have extremely high expectations and if these expectations are not met, they go on major whinge binges on forums such as these....... Best thing to do is ignore them :)
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Sony announcing end of line on Z series which I have been following since the beginning. Next phone will not be Sony.

It's a shame Sony, and clearly shows Sony is desperate to get business by trying new marketing or whatever, however their strategy has killed them;

1. Mention after Z2 they were not going to release new Z phones every 6 months, which they pretty much continued to do, making updates... far too slow. Your not going to get more sales with this strategy, because the majourity of people are not going to shell out premium prices every six months for a phone, 12 months is far more realistic

2. Slow updates says to the consumer you don't care about after sales support, this is how it has felt all along the way

3. Sony you will never get a bigger customer base unless you support your customers after they have made the switch to Sony, plus many read forums so would never make the switch in the first place, even though they may have been previously tempted to because of the slow support.

4. Do us a favour, fix your camera phone software, so you don't have the worst implementation constantly for the same camera modules shared by your competitors.

5. Boost you headphone voltage. 0.5V is far too low hence your total headphone output volume is pitiful compared to most of your competitors.

Now with the current Z5;

1. Give us MM ASAP, because your not giving us any other patches for current issues so it seems, Z5 has been neglected for over 3 months now.

2. Fix Battery life on Z5, it is crap compared to Z3

3. Fix the camera blurring issues (left side of pictures)

4. Fix the lags

5. fix the non-repsonsive touch screen issues

6. Fix the camera launch speed

7. Fix the overall quality of photo output (low light pretty good) everything else substandard.

8. Fix some of the notifications being suppressed.

And maybe more.
[Xperia Z5 General] dkionline:
stop write useless things. There will be a flagship in other name, i cant see the problem of that. Theres about 1% of users says its bad and that is nothing over all million people that not interested in flagships but in budget and price management.
[Xperia Z5 General] koziakauzu:
Z6 is coming in September/october, as usual. They already killed any potential sale of the Z5 with the X 2-3 month before it is released, they expect you to buy that one first.

Sent from my E6653
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
I think sony have lack of good developers. If any of you guyz is good, please join sony and fix all the problems. ? ?

thread title should be changed to

Z5 users : cry over here.

Sent from Z5 E6683
[Xperia Z5 General] Tjoohej:
Keep this thread going guys, you give me great entertainment.
[Xperia Z5 General] bplogan:
Talk about a bunch of hard done by sooks... Never heard so much pork choppery
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
9. fix auto-brightness not working for Z5!

p.s. camera blur is a hardware issue due to Sony's "quality" check and expertize to provide you with BEST experience.

make.believe (should be exchanged with) keep.dreaming

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No, a lot of people DO WANT a bigger screen, see the sals of Note series?

It doesn't mean Sony should continue to release smaller devices like it was doing so far with regular one (5.2") and smallest for kids or those with smaller... :) you know what haha!

And yes, screen size decrease for you is not a big deal as you are the target of smaller ones :) but for me it is inferior step back. So?

Hard to accept somebody else has different opinion and expectations?

And yes, smaller battery will always mean worse battery life and silly marketing of 820 efficiency and "software tricks" (that we all already know on the other hand). It is simply CUT of the COSTS. even Z5 is hard to manage till 1,5 days, X Poorformance will last 1 day and few hours at best. Test will verify it.

There's still a message for you:

keep.dreaming

---------- Post added at 07:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:19 PM ----------

No, a lot of people DO WANT a bigger screen, see the sals of Note series?

It doesn't mean Sony should continue to release smaller devices like it was doing so far with regular one (5.2") and smallest for kids or those with smaller... :) you know what haha!

And yes, screen size decrease for you is not a big deal as you are the target of smaller ones :) but for me it is inferior step back. So?

Hard to accept somebody else has different opinion and expectations?

And yes, smaller battery will always mean worse battery life and silly marketing of 820 efficiency and "software tricks" (that we all already know on the other hand). It is simply CUT of the COSTS. even Z5 is hard to manage till 1,5 days, X Poorformance will last 1 day and few hours at best. Test will verify it.

There's still a message for you:

keep.dreaming

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Back to the topic:

As mentioned earlier, I am expecting MM to be delivered 7th of March without any bugs considering endless time they have to polish it.

It MUST SHINE!