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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fuLLah:
OMG!! THANK YOU BOTH

This worked on my WING device with Open Touch 2.7 rom

I dont know what the rest of you guys are doing wrong but this worked for me. The d word value Spk Volume [notice the space between spk and volume] was already in my Audiogateway directory set to default 10. I changed that to 50 as suggested by Vasquja . I soft reset and then repaired with my headset and VIOLA!

Problem solved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Farsquidge:
Its a good workaround but don't just throw in any old value, experiment a bit with the BEST for yourself. Mine is set at 35 as I have four different audio devices that have varying volumes themselves.

Many have said this before..This is NOT a HTC/kaiser problem! The last IEEE directive on BT audio devices implemented required 'safe' start-up volumes for audio devices for 'Humanistic' reasons (fancy word for not hurting your eardrums as you may SUE us!).

Earlier devices did not comply with this directive and many devices made in non-IEEE compliant countries still have full volume start-up. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Delta_flyer:
I've tried this registry setting and all it does for me is increase the volume of the tones the HS emits. It does nothing for the call volume. I'd like to try WM6.1, but IMHO, I don't think the current ROMs available are perfect yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jschaff:
This OBVIOUSLY is an HTC/Kaiser issue. I have used a Cingular 8125 with my Infiniti G37S without ANY problems for four months. I switched to the 8925 Kaiser and I have had nothing but problems with the bluetooth. Pairs fine. Calls fine. The other caller sounds very tinny and garbled, and they can't hear me at all. Always have to go back to the phone to use it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tmiller9833:
Agree...it's the tilt.

Gotta agree...something very wrong with Kaiser/8925/Tilt. Have tried everything posted here short of 6.1 to no affect. Since this is our GM/VP's phone/vehicle I'm not yet willing to throw on 6.1.

Up for any and all suggestions or a decently solid (ATT) build of 6.1.

-t
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] senzamike:
Used the cab...tweaked the registry settings...installed 6.1 update from AT&T...NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH. Did it all over again after I installed the 6.1 update...cab...tweak...NUNKA, NIET, NEIN. I'm using a Moto HS850 that on my wing and previously on my (hunk of crap) samsung D820 is loud enough to overcome the wind noise from a badly aligned door w/ leaking weatherstrip doing 85mph. I'm at a loss...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rdecker692000:
I have installed Dutty's 6.1 ROM on my tilt and it made a big improvement in the audio level while using my Jawbone and the U-connect in my Jeep; I am using the Tilt....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] HobGoblin2006:
Hi,

now i have to write something about this issue too.

I am from Germany i have this f**** problem too.

I have to speak between 40 and 50 hours the month per Headset,

and this ist more then awful.

Isn't there a fix so long? I don't speak only from the volume problem,

also this thin voice i hear ist a great problem for me.

Thanks for help!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] HobGoblin2006:
Hi everybody,

are there any news about this issue.

It is terrible to have to live with with such a problem?

THX
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ProudPop83:
I dont really have a problem with the sound quality just the volume on mine. I have to press the earpiece into my ear to hear properly. If it was just louder would be helpful to me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] avega1027:
I must agree. I had no problems when I had my 8525 w/a cooked ROM, using it in my 07 G35. Now with my 8925 connected via bluetooth in my 07 G35, its just terrible.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jschaff:
My present solution to this problem is the following.

Go ahead and initiate the call to the handset. And while talking, push the phone/handset button on the console. The call will go to handsfree perfectly.

This is the easiest work around right now. And as we have seen, Infiniti is not going to put any resources into a problem that does not affect millions, or require a recall. Do you think they would fix any other mechanical problem with being forced to by a recall threat? NOT.

And as we have seen this is NOT a WM6 problem. It is a bluetooth reception problem in the car's software.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marsb007:
what is different between the Tytn/8525 and Tytn II/8925 to make the Tytn sound perfectly fine over the car BT, and the Tytn II to sound like absolute crap?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] m.photo:
Sorry to bump this, but, I just bought a BlueAnt Z9, which worked great with my 8125. Paired it with my Tilt and HOLY MOTHER OF...where did my reception go?

I skimmed through here and so, the verdict for the time being is...live with it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] expediter:
Same here. Recently flashed with Dutty's WM6.1 hybrid rom and what a difference. Had to turn my Jabra JX-10 down a couple of clicks it was so loud!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sz0pf1:
Earlier in this thread I stated that the Plantronics 655 delivers good sound quality both in terms of loudness and claritry (not tinny or thin sounding).

I have recently purchased and have begun to use the new Plantronics 925. I have plenty of loudness and again excellent clarity. The noise cancellation is, in my opinion nearly as good as the Jawbone original and JB2. With my airconditioning vents on high and my sun roof open there is almost no degradation of the sound on the other end. Also, it is the first headset designed to be used without a ear hook that actually works for me and is comfortable. Additionally a lanyard is provided. You can use the lanyard to store the headset while you aren't using it and then when the phone rings quickly pull the headset off of the lanyard and place it in your ear. The other quality trait is that it does not to suffer from some of the background hissing that I've had with other headsets. If I take too long to respond in a conversation I've had people that I've been talking to think that they lost the connection because there was no noise on the line.

Whatever Plantronics has done with their SW/hardware in their design they have managed to negate the bluetooth SW/hardware issues of the Tilt.

As an additional comment I have also recently purchased a Motorola H12. It works reasonably well, much better then some I've tried including the JB1 and JB2, but it still falls short when compared to the Plantronics 655 and 925.

I am running the stock first At&t upgrade (not the unreleased 6.1) and I have added the standard hacks that are supposed to improve the bluetooth performance. The bottom line is that now that I've found and am using the 925, for the first time, I am really enjoying using the bluetooth on my Tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iservealot:
I drive a convertible mustang with a Pioneer 9800BT and $3,000 worth of audio equipment and the bluetooth quality from the TyTN II is simply horrible. It sounds tiny with no base at all, with lots of distortion.

The A2DP quality however is acceptable. Is it at all possible to rout the callers voice via A2DP and the still use the conventional bluetooth stream for the mic?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ztringz:
Audio routing

Hi. I don't know if this is a duplicable problem for others (or if this is even the right forum... sorry, very new here). I installed a new ROM on my Tilt (details to follow), and all audio functions worked fine. However, upon connecting an A2DP/AVCRP-enabled headset, all the audio gets routed through the BT, Even when BT is disabled and the device isn't paired, I can't seem to get any audio through the speaker on the device. This includes ringtones!

... At a loss here. Any ideas?

Device: AT&T Tilt

ROM: QMobile 1.2

Radio: 1.70.Olinex (SIMLock disabler packaged by oliPof)

Headset: Plantronics 590A
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bsriedman:
Crackly sound

Just got a Plantronics 360 Bluetooth headset for xmas. Use to only use speakerphone or hold TILT up to my ear.(maybe I should keep doing it that way).

With Bluetooth headset, call reception sounds very crackly and annoying on my TILT. People listening to me on other end said I sound fine though.

Tried 360 with 2 other phones and it sounds great, so came here to see if fix existed in TILT. Plantronics 220 I borrowed also had crackly sound on my TILT, but not the persons phone I borrowed it from.

ALSO:

Tested this A2DP thing on my tilt with the 360, (music to headset), and audio sounds perfect, could be slightly louder, but no crackly sound so very nice. Too bad when using as phone, it sounds like crap.

Bottom line is, using the latest ATT Win mobile 6.1 with Plantronics 360 is annoying because of that crackly sound. And it seem here, there still is no fix, but can't say I've done any Registry changes, most seemed to say it didn't make a difference except for loudness which really isn't my complaint.

Oh well if any one found anything of usefulness, I'll keep reading if you keep posting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] burtcom:
I tried for one day the Jawbone -- it sounded OK and the noise cancellation is phenominal, but i was disapointed that it didn't support the stereo headset profile -- for $130 I though they would throw that in too!

For much less money, $29 at Verizon store, I replaced it with a Jabra BT8040. This is nice and loud and sounds great, plus you can listen (in mono of course) to stereo mode! No fancy noise cancellation, of course, but I'm much happier with this headset.

I also got it to pair with my Vista machine -- I can listen to iTunes on the laptop, and when a call comes in from the phone it switches over, then back to the laptop when the call is done :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] 3waygeek:
I also have the that ROM version, and I haven't noticed any BT problems. However, I use the Sony MEX-5000BT headunit instead of a headset -- the Sony's performance in handsfree or A2DP is incredible; at least an order of magnitude better than any headset I've used.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RonenB:
Before I had a Hermes for almost a year + Artemis + Eten X500 + KJam WM6 + Asus Pegasus 526 + several smartphones...

I do not see a difference in the sound quality but I will look into it again tomorrow including the device to headset test you mention.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Wiz:
Gents, apparently there's nothing wrong with A2DP quality. Fine, but I was not referring to A2DP Bluetooth stereo.

At work, you will not see me running around with a Stereo Headset but with a very discreet business like headset, usually my SE HBH PV705 or SE HBH GV435. In my car, my carkit is MONO and is for voice only (Parrot). This way of using any given cellphone in combination with either a headset or a carkit is being used by 95% of the world.

On all my other devices (present and past) the voice quality during a voice call varies from very good to excellent, all on the above devices. On the TyTN II it sucks.

So while the A2DP profile may offer good sound quality, in all cases the headset and carkit profiles do not. I sincerely hope this is not a hardware issue, because if it is, this effectively rules out the TyTN II as a business phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RonenB:
Ok, I just tried this. I do not see a difference and still hear ok with my BT earphone. Started a call on the earphone, switched to headset, a little clearer but not as annoying as you guys describe. It is weird that some issues do not appear with everyones phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekerbuddy:
i just find thr sound output is very low. I had the HTC Touch for a while and the sound quality on that was far better. any way to just increase sound output?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] e-dub:
i was hoping to get that fixed in moving from a mogul to a kaiser :(

eric b
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
I think that fix is in up in the air. And it's about time when someone with enough knowledge will come up with solution. Since voice quality is great on the handset itself and wired handset there is a probably some dll's needs to be replaced on the device.

But also, we have to make HTC aware of this issue. Let's send them emails.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
This thread freaked me out, I've been tweaking and loading my Kaiser but just switched over to it over the weekend. I use it all day every day with work so crappy bluetooth headset performance is going to be really bad! I tried making a few calls and it does sound "tinny" and there is occasional pops and crackle sounds in the headset (Jawbone) as well. I'm been using the 8525 for many months and it was never like this.

I tried using the "BTaudio Toggle" app to send all sounds out thru the Jawbone. I played a movie with Coreplayer and tried navigation with iGuidance having the directions speak thru the headset. Both of these applications sounded good thru the headset.

I will try experimenting with the reg settings in the beginning of this thread to see if it makes any difference. I'm hoping for improvement, but it's not currently a deal breaker for me. Next week with heavy buisness usage will be the test for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
I've also tried BT toggle and all sounds are OK. It's kind of puzzling...

Phone itself sounds good. Wired headset sounds good. So, there is somewhere in between phone and BT that cripples sound. I've tried all those registry setting with no luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
I checked my reg settings and my "audio gateway\capability" was set at 101, I left it alone.

Mic Vol was set at 8, changed to 10

Spk Volume was 8, changed to 10

Can't say that it made any noticeable difference.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] srmz:
I do not have a Kaiser yet but am planning to get one in the near future. I am therefore taking my time to learn from people who already have one.

Now while this thread is discussion the problem of sound through a hands free mode but what I am really interested in is how you guys compare the sound quality and volume of the kaiser form the "Handset Built-in Earpiece" and the "Handset Built-in Speakerphone" specially the sound level in comparison with the Hermes.

I am asking this as my way of using the phone is through the handset earpiece and so the quality through hands free is not that of a concern for me.

Thanks and Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Wiz:
Handset Built-in Earpiece and the Handset Built-in Speakerphone both work fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekerbuddy:
where is that registry setting? what happens if you change it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
first part of this thread
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rmanulkin:
Bad for me too!

Yes, indeed, my bluetooth headset experience has sucked with this phone. Terrible. Fix needs to be found!

Gracias!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
AudioGateway registry values explanations on MSDN

Just found some explanations about AudioGateway registry values while looking for a "fix" on MSDN:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa915920.aspx

and similar/complementary info:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms880945.aspx

No rocket science there but a simple way to start exploring Microsoft's BT implementation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Syrius_B:
yeh i got a pre-prod unit, with original rom (stupid CID locked!).

i dont have a bluetooth headset on me, but ill check it out when i get home and post results.

syrius
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Churchill:
I have TyTN II with SonyEricsson stereo headset (the one with the screen) and first time I paired it I was not able to use it at all the volume was so freaking low... especially if you are driving. But I have removed the device from paired devices and after a reset paired again and now must say it is almost perfect (still a bit metallic compared to My MDA VARIO II).

Maybe you guys can try re-pairing the headsets ??? (I did a soft reset between removing and re-pairing)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RonenB:
Is this a Bluetooth 2.0 issue? Could it be that only BT 2.0 is well supported?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Churchill:
Maybe... As my BT headset is BT 2.0
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RonenB:
Same as my Scala 700 that works really great, both on sound quality and on volume.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
Ok, I am in the process of charging WEP -410 headset which is BT 2.0 specifications. Let's see how it will perform.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] caleymac:
I was concerned reading this thread, but I purchased the Tytn II. My jawbone bluetooth earpiece seems to be at the same volume level as when it was connected to my 8525. Not as loud as the Jabra JX10, but good enough. I haven't made any registry modifications yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RemE:
I've been using it heavily for the last few days with my Jawbone and the audio quality is OK, for me it is a little lower volume than my 8525. This is especially noticeable while driving. I asked my callers what they heard and most said that I sounded fine. Currently I don't think that there are any reg settings that have helped the volume.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekerbuddyeker:
i just bought the jawbone. IT SOUNDS TINNY AND TERRIBLE with the Tytn (and very quiet), yet clear as a bell on the HTC Touch and Treo 680.

there is definately a problem here.HTC - get a fix out please.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marcoma:
Same problem on Jawbone

I have the same OS / Radio version as the previous posters and am experiencing the same problem on the Jawbone... afaik this is BT 2.0, so this apparently doesn't make a difference. I could eventually get over the tinnieness of the sound, but the low volume really sucks... and for the price they charge is should 'just work'. What does their testing procedure look like these days I wonder...

so - does anyone know of any fix yet? other sites just point to this thread... do we have someone at HTC we could mail this to?

Thanks...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
not yet... :(

HTC support contact

http://www.europe.htc.com/en/support/csbyemail.html

Let's bombard them with emails.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] w4rmk:
I have been using my Motorola H300 BT headset with many different phones over the past few years and never had any complaints. Now I am finding that I can barely hear people I am talking to. I find myself pressing the headset against my ear in a vain attempt to hear what they are saying. It is especially bad when the road noise increases. HTC needs to address this issue ASAP along with a handful of other bugs that the phone has.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cdd543:
Interesting that I found my jawbone to be incredibley tinny when used with treo 750(att version). My wife also said it sounded bad on her end. On other handsets(blackberry) it was fine. Sold it and won't be able to try it when my kaiser arrives tomorrow. I've been thinking of getting moto t305 handsfree to use in car so I will give it a shot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bradwcamp:
I have the same issues with my jawbone

Even worse the phone is almost completely unusable with my new car. Like most new vehicles it came with a Bluetooth car kit as part of the premium package. Phone pairs just fine and car recognizes the phone every time I get in, signal strength and battery are displayed on the dash. The issue arises when I make or receive a call. At first the caller on the other end cannot hear me and I can barely hear them and there is all sorts of distortion on the line. The strange thing is that while on a call initiated from the car UI I can use the UI in the car to switch to the handset then immediately, using the same UI, switch back to the car and then the call *cleans* up a bit but it’s still far from desirable. I tested the car with my Wizzard, and a P900, moto razer, treo 700wx, and my girlfriends Samsung, they all work perfectly!

Followed the above link and sent HTC an email this morning but I have not heard back from them.

I really hope they can figure this out, it’s frustrating the hell out of me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marcoma:
I just sent an 'email' using the form from the address above to HTC... I also included a link to this thread... let's get their attention, so please send them a mail as well!

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] WDawn:
Oh damn

This is defenately a dealbreaker for me.

Anyone has tried it yet with the VW Passat premium car kit (Rsap) ?

Was going to order a Tytn II to replace my Tytn today, but hearing all this, guess i'll wait.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
I am getting really annoyed by this problem now. I've got a set of new phones for my business and have tried bluetooth on all of them with jawbone. All of them sounded full and rich. It's really a shame :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Jason Lee:
I just used mine with my old motorola BT headset and it sounds fine.. Exactly like the headset sounded on my 8125..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
I am finding this hard to believe. Not that I am implying that you are lying. It's just maybe you don't hear the difference due the fact that your old motorola headset doesn't sound very good with any device.

I have access to a lot of headsets and also a lot of new TyTn's 2. It happens that I am selling them in Toronto.

Every unit that I've tried exhibits this problem and I've tried maybe 30 TyTns 2.

Headsets that I've tried:

Jabra JX 10, Jabra JX 10 series2, Jawbone, Blueant Z9, Plantronics 655, Plantronics 651, Plantronics 665, Samsung WEP 400, Nokia BH-900

They all sound worse on Kaiser than on

Trinity

Herald

Excalibur

Athena

Nokia 6300

Nokia E90

Nokia E61

LG Chocolate

In fact, I don't remember a single device that sounded that crappy on the bluetooth. Even first cellphone with the BT - Ericsson T39 sounded better than Kaiser.

And again, I think that preporduction unit sounded just fine when I used it couple of months ago.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
Looks like we are not alone:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=5221
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] e-dub:
yeah, i've gone through a titan and am on a kaiser now and the bluetooth on both are absolutely horrendous :(

eric b
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
Are they horrendous the same way? Tiny sound, or Titan is a has a different issues with BT? according to the above mentioned thread there is a patch coming for Titan that addresses this issue.

That's why I really wonder what this new French ROM is fixes for Kaiser...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ID64:
Damn... I just realized something. Both devices have crappy BT share the same processor/chipset!

Titan --- 400 MHz ARM 11 (Qualcomm MSM7500)

Kaiser --- 400 MHz Qualcomm MSM 7200

That scares me since now I think that this is a hardware issue...

I am very close to ditch Kaiser and go back to Treo 750....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] e-dub:
yep.

pulled out the titan and placed a test call to sprint, and it sounds the same. very weak incoming sound, and the girl on the other end of the line asked me to repeat myself a million times. can't wait for this to be resolved...

i wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that bluetooth and wifi use the same antenna? to my knowledge, these are the only devices htc has made that are configured like this, and i don't think i've seen such an uproar re: bluetooth.

eric b
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] e-dub:
second core on the titan is a bit slower, for what it's worth lol

eric b
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] w4rmk:
FYI, today I purchased a Plantronics 665. It's an inside the ear style headset that I read had good sound volume. I tested it with my TyTN II and sure enough, the volume is excellent, I even had to drop it down one notch.