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[Samsung Gear S2] simplyphp:
Great work :) Do you have your own 3D Printer? I used my Robo 3D+ (with some upgraded parts) to make all my prototypes. They looked similar to yours though my design is slightly different.

I look forward to seeing your finished product, feel free to message me if you want to chat over Skype about ideas etc.
[Samsung Gear S2] GOIGIG:
I was personally going to suggest you guys work together, I feel like you could both come up with an immaculate idea, being your both very intuitive in the field. I'll buy both sets either way. You guys rock, we greatly appreciate it.
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hey! Great to see you joining the discussion :) ! No I have no own printer, but one collegue of mine has.

And I am also curious about further prototypes and the end product. The next days I'll get another one to verify the new measurements and after that I have to switch to high resin 3D prints. Not that cheap because I have to order it somewhere else but it can be done. :)
[Samsung Gear S2] simplyphp:
Yeah that's the problem with 3D printing prototypes, I might have it EXACTLY spot on in the PLA and ABS prints I make, but when I get it made in stainless steel their machinery is far more advanced than mine and could be even more precise... thus the tight fit required for the adapter and the clip (especially the clip in my case) will be determined as soon as I get my package tomorrow.

For you, if you're having to order everything, it will be a longer process especially if multiple tweaks are necessary. I sent you a PM as well.
[Samsung Gear S2] R41DZ3R0:
Hello Sir!

I like your idea! I own the Sport 3G and I would like to wear also those steel element straps you find also on the Pebble Time Steel! I like your design very much and wow the prototype looks good! I showed the pictures some friends of mine which own the 3G version and they were impressed too! I'm looking forward to further examples! :)

Do you know when the next ones will arrive?

R41DZ3R0
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Currently I did all refinements based on the last prototype and the new design (which is updated in the opening post now) is already finished. It's now out for printing. I hope to get them the next days for further testing :) !

Great to hear from your interest!

Best regards

Gerhard
[Samsung Gear S2] R41DZ3R0:
Thank you sir

I would like to see the applying method of the adapter like it's at the oem strap. It seems very strong and easy to clip on because I dont want tools. Will the adapter scratch the watch when applied?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
I am currently at investigation of protection-tapes, that will get applied at the S2SA, so there's not metal-to-metal contact what could scratch the watch. So to answer your question, it shouldn't scratch the watch :) !
[Samsung Gear S2] mr neutron:
these are starting to look fabulous. nice to learn that you are attempting to decrease the overall size. looking forward to purchasing a set.
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
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[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Glad to see you joining the discussion! Please also take the chance to vote at the poll. It makes it much easier for me to determine further steps if I know peoples interests!
[Samsung Gear S2] Drake865:
Is there a funding on kickstarter as of yet?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Unfortunately funding approvals at Kickstarter need their time, for now I have to rely on your patience. But that wont stop me from continuing. I got the message today, that I will get the next prototype on monday! So over this weekend I will continue in supplier investigation and enhance the 3D models a little bit. :)
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
My supplier for the high resin parts already sent me the pictures of the printed parts! Even at the pictures the parts show a very good quality und high dimensional accuracy! :)

[IMG="Version 2 High resin 3D print"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/V2_Highresin.jpg[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
And here it comes! There is the alternative design for all of yours, who don't trust in Samsung's design about its strength. In this version there are two drill holes, where two screws fit in. The screws look out at the end and fit nicely in the watches indent.

While this version will be strong enough to withstand a strong jerk, you have to deal with some little handicaps instead:

you need a screwdriver to apply and remove it

it is not possible anymore to machine this from a single material block, only 3D printing is possible, so I have to investigate how that influences the finish.

But there is a big advantage too!

Because I don't need space for Samsung's locking mechanism, I can shorten the central body a little bit what enables me to adjust the position of the spring bar. The spring sits now partly under the central body of the S2SA. So we get new measurements!

The S2SA with the screws will add 2.6mm at each side to the length of the watch and nothing to the downside.

And the most interesting part: The spring bars will only be 53mm apart !!! (Remember the watch has a diameter of 50mm!)

I will create a round design too, so you have again the choice for whatever design you like :) !

[IMG="New drilled version"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/drilledversion.png[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear S2] straylight23:
[MENTION=750544]Silberpfeil3110[/MENTION], love your project and just made a preorder at Kickstarter.... Hope this project will see reality. Good luck!
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hey!

Thank you very much! I appreciate your trust in my work and I will do my best to achieve all the targets I set up for the project!
[Samsung Gear S2] Jeshter2000:
Any link to the kickstarter?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
You find the link directly under the heading or in the news section at the beginning too!

Or take this road! :)
[Samsung Gear S2] gregorz48:
Will the regular sport version adapter be a different size comparing to the 3G model?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
As far as I know are the measurements of the connectors at both versions the same, also the watch diameter is the same. Only difference is the thickness (3G is a little bit thicker to the downside) but that won't affect the S2SA in any way.
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Prototype #2 from the S2SAS V2!

So today my next prototype from the straight standard model came! This prototype is 3D printed with standard resin, but the accuracy is good anyway!

To fit to watch is improved A LOT in comparison the the first version! It holds nicely and even though its made out of plastics, my first strength test told me it holds nearly 10kg! Thats very fine!

Just look at the following pictures! :) Maybe at the evening I will post some pictures with an already attached 20mm strap!

Please remember, that the kickstarter campaign is running! I will need all of your help to get through the development process! If anyone wants to donate via PayPal, you will get the Kickstarter rewards too, please read section 4 in the opening post!

Thank you all for your support!

[IMG="Prototypes V2"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/prototypes_V2.jpg[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear S2] Jeshter2000:
Here look what I've done for you:P

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/01/25/sport-to-strap-adapter-for-the-gear-s2-hits-kickstarter/
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Wooohoo! I would push the Thanks-button thousand times, but that would anyway result only in one single "Thank you" xD

I appreciate your help very much and if we make it and the time has come, every supporter will recieve his special gift :)!

We need more people like you!
[Samsung Gear S2] Jeshter2000:
If you make it I would like to have a set of adapters:P

Naaaa Im joking, I hope you make it!
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
We can talk about that :D !

I hope we all make it!
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
I tried on a stainless steel strap (only got it in silver and not in dark but nevermind) on the last prototype of the S2SA and it looks great! :)

Check out the pictures I've made!

By the way, I took pieces of paperclips as bars, normal watch spring bars won't look out at the outer sides!

Please remember, we need supporters! Every single coin is worth it! I count on you all!

[IMG="Applied stainless steel strap on the S2SA"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/appliedstrap.png[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear S2] ffarber:
So, I have seriously considered donating but couldn't pull the trigger because I think the price is too high. I got to the point of selecting my prize package but then saw there was an extra 20 euro for shipping. 100 euro is just too much. At 50 euro including shipping to the states, I would do it.

To be fair, I should say I had already given up on my sport S2 after the strap broke and it was clear they would keep breaking so I bought a Classic, Therefore, I may be less motivated than other people.

Sorry,

Fred
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hey Fred!

The donations in Kickstarter are generally not for buying something. Instead it is support to develop something that people want. Without donating, nothing of those things can happen.

If you think about just taking the CAD design and send it to a manufacturer that produces only two S2SA, you will have to pay at least 110€ (according to several estimations from companies or institutes I got) and at this price the S2SA is 3D metal printed without finish and shipping.

If you want to get some high quality milled parts you have to pay even more.

So to be fair, any lower price can only be achieved, when you have enough people that are interested in. I considered all cirmunstances when calculating, it won't get cheaper for now.

If the campaign fails (however I am confident, that the campaigb will succeed) I will restart it but with the difference that the final S2SA won't get milled at all. So I can lower the funding goal. If people are not interested in high quality, I can also provide it a cheaper way.

EDIT:

Can you tell me what was exactly the problem with your sport straps? How did they brake? What was the reason? I maybe helps to improve something!
[Samsung Gear S2] ffarber:
I take your point about donating but only if the donator gets some psychic benefit from the donation (i.e. it makes the person doing the donating feel good about themselves in some way). I am not sure I get enough psychic benefit from this particular project, sorry.

As far as the straps failing, the silicone pulls off the plastic onto which it mounted. There are many complaints in the forums about this ( see this thread or this thread).

I have no doubt your project will succeed.

Cheers,

Fred
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Prototypes!!!

A want to excuse the past days for no updates! I was at a business trip and had no possibility to check out the last prototypes I got this week. The prototypes are high-quality resin parts now from the following models:

S2SAS

S2SASSW

While the quality is very good, the parts are a little bit weak. I am not sure which sort of plastic they are made of, but nevertheless this is not that important for the current prototypes. Both S2SA models seem finished in design (maybe some little modifications to make it look even more nice, but in terms of measurements, no changes need to be made anymore). I like the *SW model very much, because it is VERY small. As I already wrote in the opening post, the *SW model only adds two mm to the watches diameter (spring bars apart). Really really nice!

The next step will be to get the S2SA in stainless steel, I think theres no any further need for plastic.

[IMG="High-quality plastic prototype"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/S2SAS.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="High-quality plastic prototype"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/S2SASSW.jpg[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
So this weekend I used some time to refine the existing designs and I think that all of them are ready to get printed in metal! A supplier is already identificated and after I got the confirmation about printing ability the'll get produced. All four designs (the round version get printed the very first time) will come in stainless steel. Estimated shipping will be at the end of the coming week.

Just for information, the prints will cost about 150€. So again, please think about supporting my work :) !
[Samsung Gear S2] jaime4272:
I was thinking about donating but I was concerned about how much will this add to the watch and how much it will stick out making it wider then your wrist . If you could make it so that it doesn't stick out much and give us a picture on how it will look ill donate. And that's a promise.
[Samsung Gear S2] diabeticdoc2b2:
Updates?

Any Updates?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
The *SW version does not add anything to thewatches width, the spring bars are more or less positioned directly under the end of the watch. The normal version indeed will add 1,2mm at each side. So if you have a very small wrist (like me) the *SW version is maybe your way to go.

Currently I am waiting for the metal prints. Unfortunately they take some time, because the manufacturer stays in Lithuania. As far is I am updated, the prints should be finished, and be shipped on monday. Delivery can take some more days, so for now I have not very much to do or say... But I am still active :D
[Samsung Gear S2] jaime4272:
OK done as promise
[Samsung Gear S2] jaime4272:
thanks
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hey everyone! The days went by, but now I have some good news and nice pictures for you! My supplier told me, that the metal prototypes are produced (although 3 days too late) and on the way! I can show you two pictures of what I will get the coming days!

Please remember, that this formation of the S2SAs was neccessary due to the printers workspace limitations of the supplier.

You can see all four different versions! So it's also the first time, that I get the round versions! I am very curious about it :D !

[IMG="Stainless steel version of all S2SA models (view 1)"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/metal/IMAG1189.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="Stainless steel version of all S2SA models (view 2)"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/metal/IMAG1190.jpg[/IMG]

Please don't forget, that the campaign is 66% over, so please think about further support if you are interested in this project! Maybe you know someone else who wants to support it! I also recognized, that some of you joined the poll too and the result is great! If finally all of you would really be interested in getting at least one S2SA set, the price would be in a very good realtion to the watch itself :D! Fantastic!

I appreciate all of your help very very much! :D
[Samsung Gear S2] GOIGIG:
A quick sand, and that'll look phenomenal, can't wait to throw a pair on
[Samsung Gear S2] mr neutron:
Nice. Those look like a medium grey color. Will those ok with the dark grey S2 or are they for the silver S2?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Haha nice :D I think you misunderstood me, those are prototypes! They come in whatever colour they are :D After I can lay my hands on them, I will see how the surface is and if they fit the dark grey coloured GS2. For the silver GS2, maybe they will fit after polishing them. But I can tell at the earliest, when they arrive :D !
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hello all of you!

At first I have to excuse me for the sound of silence the past weeks! But thats normal, when waiting for prototypes arriving... So today I can provide more pictures to you! I already got the metal prototypes (all 4 models as you saw on the previous assembly pictures). I started with separating them from each other with a file, so it happened that I hurt some edges unintentionally but nevertheless the look seems god. The original surface seems nice and should fit both the dark grey and light grey GS2 version, so no post processing is needed. Because I found no supplier, who could produce the S2SA by milling within acceptable price ranges I stopped research and will stick with the 3D printed models.

So how about pricing at the end... 41 people voted at the given poll. 9 said, that they would take more than 1 set (I assume two for my calculation now), so in total I would need 50 S2SA sets. I assume that a price of 30-35€ should be no problem to reach. Unfortunately I don't think, that the Kickstarter campaign will succeed, so I need a new concept how you can get safely to your set :)

But until that point, just look at some more pictures!

[IMG="Metal prototypes"]http://www.tech-services.at/fileadmin/pictures/_S2SA/metalproto.jpg[/IMG]
[Samsung Gear S2] mr neutron:
so what will be the material of the final product for sale?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
The final material is and ever was stainless steel! :)
[Samsung Gear S2] jaime4272:
Can you put it on to see how it would look on the watch.
[Samsung Gear S2] ffarber:
At that price, I am in for one set. Just let me know how you want to handle it. Happy to send to your Paypal account.

Cheers,

Fred
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
You have to excuse but I am working in parallel at my master thesis in my spare time and I had no possibility to get to the workbench again and make them ready for application. Just give me some days :)

This price span was more or less the first estimation I made at the beginning of the project so I would say nothing changed so far ^^ And please remember, this platform is not for selling something :) Keep that in mind when posting!

Thank you all for your support!
[Samsung Gear S2] phoenixsilver:
Hello,

I have been lurking for a while now looking for something like the S2SA... seeing this has made me register an account! I was wondering when and where you will be selling these (for UK overseas shipping) as they look promising however I do not think the Kickstarter will succeed. Also will they look polished and shiny smooth like the S2 in the final edition?

Thanks
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hey phoenixsilver!

When I come to the comclusion, that they project is finished and the parts ready the shipping to different countries should not be a problem. And unfortunately you are right, chances for a succeeding campaign are very low. Nevertheless I will keep on the work and maybe restart the campaign with little bit different boundary conditions...

I have some different thoughts about how to keep things cheap.

S2SA will only get produced with 3D printing, milling is way too expensive.

Parts will be ordered by me only in batches, not every single set (so maybe people have to wait a little until parts get produced).

The finish will be the original from the printing process. If wou like it polished, you have to do that by yourselves (it's a time intense process, believe me, you won't pay anyone for doing that)...

I am now at setting up the project homepage, where you can get further details in the future (beside this thread :) )!

Also I will finish the metal S2SAs at (estimated) Tuesday. (Please remember the holes of the S2SA are no drilling holes, so there's no thread inside. Maybe I have to improvise to apply those prototypes on the watch. We will see :) !
[Samsung Gear S2] phoenixsilver:
Hey there.

My only concern about 3d printing would be the finish and possibility of irregularities. I am slightly disappointed that this won't be sold as a finished product however I have a dremel with a buffer so hopefully polishing might not be too troublesome.

Might I suggest selling them on eBay? That way there'll be a secure place for people to purchase them and you can whack on delivery prices for certain countries or whatever.

If you could figure out a way to get these as a finished product with all the necessary finishes and screwholes to be used straight away then it's possible that you could have a large uptake on this item. I think the reason the Kickstarter failed was because you needed to pay 80$ for a set rather than just the market price of 20-30$ for example. I might even buy 2 sets.

Thanks.
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Irregularities will be possible (although they are not considerable in function means). Everyone cries about the S2SA being as cheap as possible but want 1000000000% quality. That's not relistic. You can get it cheap or get it in super high-quality. Getting the parts milled would cost at least 150€.

You should remember that maybe 60 people around the whole world are interested in that so far! How do you think is it possible to compensate the effort for production with that little margin?

The reason why the kickstarter campaign didn't succeed was that kickstarter is not THAT big platform and there are even less people that offer their credit card information to Kickstarter. Many PMs in Kickstarter told me that.

However I appreciate your interests in this project!
[Samsung Gear S2] phoenixsilver:
I totally agree. I think your compromise between quality and price is just about price, and perhaps milling isn't the way to go then. The reason that the S2SA is small right now is because of the relatively small usergroup on XDA.

I am wondering however if the same people would be willing to give their information to eBay/pay pal and what it is exactly they have against Kickstarter.

Might it be possible to sell designs/3d files as well that people could have milled or printed where they are?
[Samsung Gear S2] ffarber:
I understand. The eBay approach could be interesting. Another approach might be Swappa which seems to be supported by XDA. Not sure if something like this fits but there might be a way.

I would love one, 3-D printed is fine. Just be sure to let me know.

Thanks,

Fred
[Samsung Gear S2] jaime4272:
It's a shame that the goal wasn't met I was hoping on getting the *SW. So what now bud...
[Samsung Gear S2] jaime4272:
hey bud what about the *SW can still get it?
[Samsung Gear S2] Silberpfeil3110:
Hey! Please excuse my absence the past week, I had much to do and got not much time to spend on the S2SA. So far I reworked the S2SAs I already got in stainless steel, but so far I am not sure about the design when it comes to scratches of the watch. Applying the Adapter will scratch the watch at first what must not be a big Problem but over time it wears. You will see scratches on your watch and thats not nice. This Problem is not new to me. I thought about it already in the first week of design.

Beside that I got problems in getting the right screws. So I had to order thicker ones, maybe they also need a rework. I will come to that issue again but for now the fit is more important.

And yes ist a pity, that not enough interests were to avail at Kickstarter but I thought so (Kickstarter is more a "viewing" than "participating" platform, at least for not-hyped products :rolleyes:).

But I will keep the topic alive, so you will be informed if news occur.
[Samsung Gear S2] bamio700:
You did a great job keep the project alive, I need it!
[Samsung Gear S2] LifeIdeas:
I'm probably a bit late and someone else suggested this, but what about a hidden softer plastic bumper in between the metal parts to prevent scratching?

Alternatively, to create an even cleaner look, you could create the adapter itself out of some plastic material and then glue/attach a stainless steel plate/case over the adapter to make it flush with the watch and more asthetically fluid than the adapter underneath. That way it would look as if the band was coming out from under the watch. It would also perhaps make for a less complex machining process of the metal parts with less metal in general while still being affective and nice looking.

You have a good and much desired idea. I'm sure many Gear S2 watch owners were waiting for something like this to come along.
[Samsung Gear S2] crustyeyez:
Is this now redundant a case maker is selling this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3330995
[Samsung Gear S2] Jeshter2000:
It is discontineud...