yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xperia Z5 General] LitoNi:
Well theres two type of people: people who pay attention to details and people who don't. It's like a person who cares about how he/she dresses and some don't ya know?
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
I believe that we will get the new ui too.
[Xperia Z5 General] mrew42:
Sure, if you say so. lol
[Xperia Z5 General] karrouma:
I think 32.1.A.1.150 is the world wide version of android 6 and yes it is 6.0.1 my friend told me , he is in japan
[Xperia Z5 General] DionKS:
I doubt it :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
We may have it after X released but not for now. I'm rooted, porting launcher and icon is easy.
[Xperia Z5 General] DionKS:
I hope, the current ui is getting a little bit boring :rolleyes:

Edit:

But who knows maybe it supports the lockscreen modification from the X themes if someone could test it :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
First it was all about MM and now when we are close to get it, the UI thing comes here. I think people never gonna stop demanding even if MM with this UI works perfectly. ?

Crazy, isn't it. Lol
[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
I just want to know:

Is the google camera app still not be able to shoot more than 8mpx? and still no hdr?

Is the fingerprint sensor working with the android 6 imprint api?
[Xperia Z5 General] DionKS:
It doesn't matter how good it works I expected some ui changes like on the X

Everyone has their own taste maybe you dont care about it but others do
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
waiting for any review from Japan now
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
+1 I really want to know this...

In Lollipop firmware the camera is detected as 10MPX maximum resolution

Sent from my E5823
[Xperia Z5 General] porshjosh:
People all ways want more
[Xperia Z5 General] ReadReadz:
The only thing I want Sony change is the Notification Toggle. It's the same as Stock Nexus and looks boring with me. But It not happend.
[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
It also says 1,76µm Pixelsize while ofc they are sadly only 1,12µm
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
I assume this app (as many other like cameras) is getting the information from some standard location in the system, where Sony didn't put the right info. That's why all the cameras are using an underpowered version of the camera. And the only app using full MP is the Sony camera.

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[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
Because when you calculate 10MP in a 1/2.3" size, it got 1.76um.
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
X still has some MM concept. I think they will change UI but nothing drastically.
[Xperia Z5 General] LitoNi:
Let him be lol he's just one of those boring peeps. Anyway, having mm now is better than later.. Can't wait till it hits our phones. Hope some Japanese can upload a video of the mm or sth.
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Why there is no one that received MM today sharing any word or screenshots?
[Xperia Z5 General] iain26:
because its only available in japan so far and there z5 is slightly different
[Xperia Z5 General] karrouma:
Hope thisnweekend we received MM
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
I know it's only available in Japan but we have some Japanese here don't we?
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
It started to roll in Japan!:

http://www.sonyrumors.net/2016/03/02/android-6-0-marshmallow-arrives-for-sony-xperia-z5-in-japan/
[Xperia Z5 General] bassbox:
[MENTION=3698574]decomposed[/MENTION]: I just finished my masters degree in electrical engineering and took some courses about optical sensors so I'm pretty confessed I already knew all this but thanks for pointing it out ;)

If only there would be a better device as small as a z5c.. But even my old nexus4 and s5mini can take better backlight pictures.. The camera is really messed up imho. And I really can't understand why that choose that sensor for the z5 and not one like in the nexus 5x/6p or s7.. Do people still get caught by high mpx advertisment?! Or does sony think so? Or what is the reason for this shieet.
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
I think only Sony thinks people believe in MPx count that higher means better...

Or Sony's marketing only. Nowadays, people have more tech knowledge.

By the way, MM roll-out started in Japan:

http://www.sonyrumors.net/2016/03/02/android-6-0-marshmallow-arrives-for-sony-xperia-z5-in-japan/
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Old news :)
[Xperia Z5 General] bartolo5:
Stamina has been removed until May when it will come on a software update. Gee, one of the best features of Xperia is not there. Clearly SONY is finding issues merging 6.0 power saving stuff with Stamina.

source: (go through the screenshots and read the desc)

http://www.sonyrumors.net/2016/03/02/android-6-0-marshmallow-arrives-for-sony-xperia-z5-in-japan/
[Xperia Z5 General] goRt:
I guess they're all asleep (it's a timezone thing), hope for some reviews when we get up tomorrow
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Well they should be waking up shortly :)
[Xperia Z5 General] daveyp187:
Wish they would wake up lol
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
well this could be a really good morning for japaneses :D
[Xperia Z5 General] ChristianLetti:
AndroPlus live's in Japan I think.

Once he's online, he'll give his insights :)
[Xperia Z5 General] xQuantum:
It's 9:18 AM now in Japan :d
[Xperia Z5 General] Nimda01:
After looking in Z5P forum and see this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=65610860

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=65612399

and what about 32.1.A.1.150? Screenshot for OTA update has been leaked for a day. Why nobody here are getting it? or is it fake?
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
What seems strange there is those screens in English
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
So where is MM? Is it fake news?
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
Well the Japanese variants I think they have the firmware already published:

http://developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/opensource/

Now we need to wait the global firmware. O hope it's released today and not in a few weeks or months

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[Xperia Z5 General] :
Wait a few days: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_uk_xpe...mallow_update_starting_march_7-news-16667.php
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
Look at the source of that article. It was deleted!

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[Xperia Z5 General] :
It was a real Tweet. I saw and retweeted it a few days ago but you are right. It WAS deleted. Maybe we all have to wait even more.

(Even XperiaBlog had this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/1...-march/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter )
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
I know. I saw it too. But since the deletion of the post, this was cancelled. That doesn't means that the update will be delayed it could be just the opposite

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[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
wait wait, is it official in Japan or not?
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Yes since the source is published.
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
well i hope we will get mm update at least till 10th march
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
The main questions are:

1. Was auto brightness issue fixed?

2. Was bluetooth issue fixed?
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Let them roll the update first and we will see :D
[Xperia Z5 General] djdave79:
Bluetooth and auto brightness issues

?? I don't have those problems.

Everything works fine. The only thing I have is when my connect my Sony mdr-10rc to my phone I hear a buzz. But that is only when I'm also charging my phone. When I disconnect de adapter the problem is gone.

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[Xperia Z5 General] ross23:
3. Is the Mobile Radio Active bug fixed?

4. Is cell standby excess drain fixed?

Personally, I'm predicting by the end of this month we will start receiving the update... Well, at least for us Xperia users here in Australia.
[Xperia Z5 General] zippy01:
What bluetooth issue?
[Xperia Z5 General] cj1171:
Oh my Z5 randomly won't connect or disconnects from my car. Never had that issue with any other phone. Also drops from my Pebble Time a lot too. It's really flaky, sometimes cycling bluetooth fixes it, sometimes it requires a reboot.
[Xperia Z5 General] koziakauzu:
I also have a pebble time constantly connected and always listen to music with BT in my car, never had any lost connection in 6 month. Something wrong on your side, maybe you should do a factory reset once the update comes around.
[Xperia Z5 General] spielnicht:
Ditto. Never had an issue with my Z3 nor with my work Note 4. Mine doesn't disconnect...it randomly never connects in the first place.
[Xperia Z5 General] sidy93:
Little hint i discovered

Reboot is needed when bluetooth disconnects and you see in the battery stats a full awake, regardless is phone should sleep or not
[Xperia Z5 General] sci2:
I have the exact same problems.
[Xperia Z5 General] langeveld024:
It is an actual bug.

All users who experience this bug should enable BT-snooping in developer settings. Which will automatically grab logs and send them to Sony.

Read more about it here:

https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...uetooth-turns-it-self-off/td-p/1044649/page/2
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
There are a lot of Bluetooth issues on Z5, few examples:

http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...lems-with-Garmin-fenix-3/m-p/1070037#U1070037

http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...-no-media-Parrot-MKI9200/m-p/1051490#U1051490

http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...oth-compatability-issues/m-p/1043135#U1043135

http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...etooth-turns-it-self-off/m-p/1044649#U1044649

http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...-Z5-Smartband-Talk-SWR30/m-p/1097634#U1097634

Personally I can connect my MW600 bluetooth headphones but there is no sound from it:(

---------- Post added at 10:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:19 PM ----------

9:21 minute of below X presentation shows it is running 6.0.1 in its pre release version, so really no idea why they couldn't add it to Z5 too...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhSWQVlwkS8

+ our MM looks half-baked as:

1. No 6.0.1

2. No STAMINA mode

3. No new camera UI, no manual control, no updated algorithms

4. No new UI, still same old

5. Battery life decreased...

And they had so much time, due to "software treatment of Z5" rather my last Sony, and samsung is adding google VR for free to S7 :)

Honestly, no new glass Z disappointed me :( now have to choose samsung or apple for 2016, any recommendations? is new iPhone coming in 2016?
[Xperia Z5 General] sci2:
Except from the looks of that thread, no one at Sony is doing anything with those logs.
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
are you serious after all this time and we still don't get 6.0.1 MM... well anyways I don't have my Z5 anymore sent it back to sony to repair let's see them say it was a user error...
[Xperia Z5 General] dkionline:
Someone look in build.prop? It should be 6.0.1 but they wrote 6.0 on info page.
[Xperia Z5 General] langeveld024:
How would u know? The feature is there to debug..

They better fix it because I will send the phone back for "repair" if they don't.. I need BT every day, the whole day.

My good old Z had no problems at all and I'm considering switching back because of this.
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Yeah same here, once connected it is rock firm. I have the very latest Sony head unit and this is the only one the Sony Z5 will connect to straight away, the other I have to manually connect each time. Z3 did the have the same issue
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
Well I opened a topic several months ago (September) regarding the famous "Auto Brightness" bug.

https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...-Brightness-quot-generates-color/td-p/1053628

After a few months (December) they contacted me via PM and asked me to do a bug report. I did it and in less than 2 days they told me that they found the bug and that will be fixed in MM update.

I'm still waiting the damn MM update with the fix. But at least I could say that sometimes that forum (talk.sonymobile.com) could help to fix some bugs. They just need to be "terrible" (like the Auto Brightness bug) and they need to be "popular" otherwise, they could ignore it.

The problem in that forum is that it's filled with topics with some personal problems. So, the important ones, bug reports, features missing, stuff related with original Android behavior that is not working in Sony firmware are sometimes skipped.

The good thing is that:

If it were not for the whiners (like me, sometimes), we would still have the Auto Brightness problem present in MM.
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Yeah I had the same problem with Ford XR6, would connect to bluetooth, but couldn't play any music or was pretty much useless for anything
[Xperia Z5 General] Wess.a:
Could please send them the mobile radio active bug?? Pleaseeee
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Yeah welcome to Sony
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
That issue is Google stuff. I'm coming from a Nexus and I know how to distinguish between (some and not all) the Android issues versus the Sony issues.

We'll find a "fix" or a change for that in Android N. In my Nexus 5 with MM (6.0 not 6.0.1) I used to have radio active bugs.

-----------

One BUG they are ignoring and they should fix asap. Is the camera bug. Android doesn't see our phone camera as a 23MP camera, hence, all the non-sony apps, can't take advantage of the camera.

I also opened:

- A topic, asking for MM Concept for Z5 series (ignored).

A topic asking for Always On.. (but I'm not sure here if it's 100% sony stuff, or 50% sony 50% google/google_app)..

and I think a few more...

Only the Auto Brightness bug topic worked.
[Xperia Z5 General] Wess.a:
You are saying that there might be hope in 6.0.1 to get done with that bug?
[Xperia Z5 General] BrainstormPL:
I don't think it's a bug, guys. It's just the way our camera works. Seems like the camera's code is built in very closed environment, (that's why the algorithms are being deleted with bootloader unlocking) fully accessible only by Sony's Camera app. It's also probably because of that BIONZ image processor, which, I think, is unaccessible by anything except Camera app. Oh well, that sucks, but I don't think that they will change it in next 1-2 years. And because of that I'm not using Snapchat in dark places, because the images are looking sooo baad... :(
[Xperia Z5 General] bubimir13:
Yeah, when every OEM is adding features to their camera apps, Sony is in fact kicking out ones that are somewhat important to some people, like stabilisation, burst, no manual setting for shutter speed or focus, no touch to focus on video once it starts recording and so on... In space of 2-3 years most of the competition is getting forward only Sony is staying in 2012. with 8 mepgapixels, own image processing which lags behind now and camera app interface... Sad...
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
My best guess is it is not true 23MP but interpolated to that in the kernel level driver written by Sony, which is why some many pixel details are just not there. Hence the secrecy from Sony about all this and how they achieved it.
[Xperia Z5 General] thesebastian:
I don't understand too much about cameras but I've always had this feeling with my Z5C. (And even if the hardware is real...I don't care because the Software manipulating it is terrible)

And considering that I used to get better details with my previous 8MP camera with HDR+ I think that this camera is not even perfect at 8MP...

This camera is for landscapes. Forget about indoor mid light photos without using the flash...

Not to mention the close-ups....

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[Xperia Z5 General] komnaspap:
Found this one. Not much of info but still the first video showing MM on Z5 Docomo.

https://youtu.be/JRtd4V8qDJM
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
All what we are getting is apps update lol
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirk0625:
He spends most of the 17 minute video messing with the fingerprint sensor, and only gets it to work twice at the end. On the bright side, now on tap works :D
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
My eyes would agree with you, as when I zoom in to 100% on 20 MP pictures (on my computer display) I actually see things as if the camera was behind a PVC cloth. Images are quite a pain to look at.

But why the heck go such lengths to fool people, when they could just talk about UltraPixels and such marketing stuff in the first place, instead of faking 23 MP hardware? Occam's razor would lead me to believe that 23 MP are true and they are just unable to use them well because they concentrate on unbelievably embarrassing AR effects rather than fixing sensor data processing and implementing some decent manual controls.

If someone managed to prove that the sensor is actually 8 MP I think it would push Sony Mobile many steps closer to failure... We would have been fooled big big time.

But what about the sensor on the Z1 -> Z3+/Z4 families?

EDIT: 7-8 MB JPEGS for 8 MP of upscaled sensor data would be really insulting.

Anyway, full-res pictures are the result of either scammy upsampling from 8MP of data with clever algorithms or honest processing of 20 MP with very dumb algorithms.

My guess would be that optics are crappy-oh-so-crappy that they can never resolve as much as the sensor except in the very centre of the frame – at least on my pictures it looks this way. Sad anyway.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
The sensor seems legit (23 MP) to my eyes. Full resolution picture clearly has more detail captured than 8 MP picture in broad daylight (for example a landscape photograph). This wouldn't be possible in case the said conspiracy theory were true!

P.S - Received the whats new update too. There has been no update for the Z5 in the last 4 months here in India. Appears to me the most ignored flagship of all times lol! Anyway, like the phone though. Waiting for the M update with hopes of some manual controls in camera (at least ISO control at full resolution)!
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
I have gone out taking some pictures from a panoramic terrace and I can say I agree with you.

There's something strange with algorithms or optics anyway, because sometimes I get out-of-focus areas where I am reasonably sure I should have perfect focus (i.e., next to areas in good focus at similar distance). But the detail in the middle of the picture is usually good. Sometimes it just looks like there's a lot of guesswork going on behind the scenes, but I think that might be a software issue (think about far away buildings half-hidden behind bare tree branches – not so easy to interpret).

I have to investigate more on the "lossless" digital zoom when taking 8 MP photos.
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
3 days to go...
[Xperia Z5 General] rodfranca:
I do not think that will release the update Monday.

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[Xperia Z5 General] yuan_1202:
I def disagree the camera is worse than 8mp.

However I did comparison previously against my friend's iphone 6. The detail capture is about the same between the two, despite much more pixels from z5. Occasionally z5 did slightly better.

The iphone is much better in color accuracy. Z5 has ovet-done it in terms of color manipulation and looks a bit fake sometimes. E.g. Grass is too green that it's just wrong...

I also agree that the low light performance sucks...

But overall I am ok with z5's camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
http://pocketnow.com/2016/03/04/oneplus-2-oxygenos-update

Oneplus add raw support for Oneplus two

from sony´s side, no any sign that we could get raw feature or pro mode
[Xperia Z5 General] sci2:
All of these sensors in every phone are incredibly tiny. 23MP, 8MP, it's all crap. The photosites are too small to even hope to be clean and discrete. There is so much interference between adjacent sites at this size that true resolution is really much worse than even 8MP. Hell, my first DSLR was only 6.3MP but takes way better photos than any of these phone cameras because the sensor is absolutely massive by comparison. You can almost use sensor size as a true quality test rather than MP count honestly. So, does it have 23MP? Probably. It just doesn't really matter.

In our case, on this Z5, I find the camera to be mostly mediocre. It's fine in open sun, terrible in low light, and I find the choice in focal length (wide) to be weird. Sad considering Sony makes all the sensors and makes some pretty killer SLRs.
[Xperia Z5 General] RoberM:
I am tired of coming here to see if there are some news about the MM release, and read all that stupid camera posts.
[Xperia Z5 General] NewBieSS:
Yeah. Guys please creat another threat to talk about camera stuffs
[Xperia Z5 General] StonyD:
Same here -.-
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
you know you could just wait until your device prompts you that there is an update available, or come once a week
[Xperia Z5 General] addicted1900:
Or you could simply stop this offtopic and use the proper thread. Holy ****, this *****ing about the camera and the update are getting on my nerves.
[Xperia Z5 General] GeramanX:
Same here.
[Xperia Z5 General] spaha-bih:
then tells us something new about marshmallow update, what it brings, some screenshots maybe, or release date? or you need to stop *****ing

when we talk about camera or something else, we talk because it has something with marshmallow

if you don´t like to read what you read, don´t come here at all, it is good that anyone talks here at all.
[Xperia Z5 General] mch277:
No it doesn't have to do with Marshmallow. Talks about potential camera updates are fine but if you wanna talk about camera specs, pixel sizes, and how it performs there's a whole other thread.
[Xperia Z5 General] djdave79:
I hope not that we will be disappointed in the fact that the update will be Android 6.0 and not 6.0.1 as shown in this video.

https://youtu.be/kLduMKaXyTM

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[Xperia Z5 General] ciprianmp:
Yeah, it's the only device it says N/A on Xperifirm. But still, that is a very long shot to assume it's tomorrow... :)

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[Xperia Z5 General] jasieq:
All FW versions have just become unavailable through XperiFirm :) Well, well...
[Xperia Z5 General] Azdian:
Hope your guessing is right.
[Xperia Z5 General] ReadReadz:
Checked Xperia Z3+ (Z4). I see 3 N/A. So , this device will revice update same time with Z5.

/ Oh god. Xperia Z3 have 3 N/A too.

The latest FW of Z3 is 23.4.A.1.264 . But XperiaFirm shows 23.4.A.0.546 is latest :)
[Xperia Z5 General] Brouno:
XperiFirm show now 32.0.A.6.200 / R7B for Orange FR :D:D after N/A for sometimes

Edit : & for a lot other countries :)
[Xperia Z5 General] ReadReadz:
Still no 6.0. We must wait a bit more :D
[Xperia Z5 General] Brouno:
AAARgh I didn't verify, it's the current one :(
[Xperia Z5 General] ciprianmp:
I think it's only XperiFirm servers which got under a maintainance or smth...

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[Xperia Z5 General] langeveld024:
For sure.. Older builds never got deleted when new builds come online, it has nothing to do with any update.

Just relax and enjoy these gorgeous phone's ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Any signs of camera updates for z5 along with MM
[Xperia Z5 General] chronicfathead:
The waiting is killing me. I can't decide between Z5 or Moto X Style, as the pictures from the Z5 don't look good. At least the X has a decent dev community, but what if the Z5 camera is "fixed" in MM.....just wish they would hurry up, so I can decide.

Even a G+ post where I ask which way to jump is 50/50, so that didn't help.
[Xperia Z5 General] Ben36:
Moto X force looks good with its unbreakable screen
[Xperia Z5 General] mrbubba999:
I've just swapped from a Nexus 5 to a Z5 and to be honest, I didn't realise to start with, that it wasn't marsh mallow
[Xperia Z5 General] chronicfathead:
Steady shot looks fantastic, but still shots look blurred, especially zoomed in. X Force is £10 a month more, so out of my budget.
[Xperia Z5 General] IcemanSu:
It will be update to marshmallow in Q1, 2016.
[Xperia Z5 General] Adster013:
Imo I don't think it is that bad it isn't released yet. More and more apps I see updating with Marshmallow bug fixes, so there will be less when we get updated. Obviously am keen for it, but am looking at it optimistically ;)