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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
" AP BOX!!! It's been said countless times. "

not trying to be an a**Hole, I may have missed where that particular Statement was said (countless times).

" plugging and unplugging should be common sense."

would also make sense if one was told when within the operation you should unplug the Phone. as it stands it is just guess work.

"We can't hold your hand the whole way through"

You're Correct but Seems some things are or seem to be left out. Details are as important as air is to live. if the instructions are not exact, then one will end up with either a Bricked phone or like me an unrooted Phone even though everything I did said it was Rooted but it is not rooted. how can I tell. because all the bloat ware is still there and I cannot get rid of any of it. so in summation, the Lack of Extreme Details resulted in hours of wasted time and effort.

To the OP..thank you for the time you took to constantly update this post. thank you for choosing to share this valuable information with us. Thank you to all that Help us and not act like D*ckheads about helping others. Remember, there are those that may not know as much about rooting phones but are very smart in other fields. also remember some of us are only rooting the phone to get all the bloatware and garbage off our phones, we are not experts. and most of us once we root the phone you'll never hear from us again.

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the instructions are not bad, just get a bit confusing at 18 to end. also do we leave odin on and left running on the screen? and is the other program to be left running. and the roms, what are we to do with them and you mention BusyBox and clicking on Lollipop Safstrap...where is that? I could not find it. I looked every where and never did see anything that said "Lollipop Safstrap" I did see that I need to purchase Busybox. you also said " 27. I would flash a custom rom as soon as you get busybox and safestrap installed" so where are the custom roms? and how do we install them? thank you for your time.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jrkruse:
There are somethings that are assumed to be known. If you want I can write a 1000 words on how to pull the battery from your phone. I don't think you want to read through all of that. Kind of the same way you decided to not read through every post in this forum even though every point you brought up has been addressed throughout this forum. I kind of thought that was the purpose of a forum. If you are scared of bricking your phone from using Odin why didn't you take the time to read the threads on using Odin. If your worried read! read! read! If you have no fear plug the phone and click away and deal with things as they come up
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jbendor:
Still unable to put Verizon KitKat 4.4.4 on rooted SM-G900V

I successfully performed the procedure to replace OE1.

Now my S5 SM-G900V phone shows that the version is G900VVRU2BOK3, and the Kernel is 3.4.0 dpi@SWDD6518 #1 --- also Kinguser app shows that that I have root and this is confirmed with a working "su" telnet command.

However, ODIN still fails to write Verizon's KitKat 4.4.4 Rom to the phone (G900VVRU1ANK2_G900VVZW1ANK2_VZW.zip).

It's also impossible to install (via recovery) any other Rom (e.g. Cyanomagen, Romix).

Conclusion, the procedure does not really "unlock" the bootloader originally installed by Verizon via the OTA update of OE1.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] al50:
Agree with Jrkruse. I am no expert on making, modifying, making themes, or any other type of modifying. So I end up Googling and reading threads from all forums. Believe me, I wish I had half the knowledge of Jrkruse because I'd like to have some things that aren't working or missing. Way to go Jrkruse and I appreciate all that you do for this VZW S5 community....my apologies for being off topic. A
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
"you decided to not read through every post in this forum"

Sir, do you know how many pages of comments there are on the forums? you expect me to read over 200.000.00 pages of comments. I don't expect you to type 1000 words I was having trouble and asked for help. I am sorry if you felt I was asking to much. just clarification was asked. thank you for your time and efforts. I am through... oh and UM my questions were not answered on pages 1 through 69 of this Thread.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] al50:
Not being an A** but there's a "Search" bar on the page. Use it for searching. Believe me, it works and is useful.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
thank you. searching did nothing for me, only because I don't know what exactly to search for. you know like keywords, phrases, abbreviations.ect... and the unknown to me Cell phone jargon.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] sean19661:
I think you can no longer downgrade fully to kit kat because this only gives you root access you can flash roms without the bootloader via zips in Safestrap and kernels
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jjdavis699:
I don't believe it was ever stated to unlock the bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jbendor:
still impossible to flash ROMs via recovery

When the phone starts in Recovery mode, and I select the option to "apply-update-from-external-storage" and then I select a zip of a Rom which was previously placed on the SD-card, the process fails quickly --- Hence, it's not just a problem of KitKat-4.4 but of probably any other Rom --- Conclusion, the locked bootloader is still a problem.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
I don't know dude. others ask questions and they get replied to nicely .. I ask and get spit on.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dudash:
Nowhere in this thread or any other thread in the VZW S5 forum will you find anything about how to unlock the bootloader.

There are 2 different bootloaders, one that lets you downgrade to NCG (First ever firmware, still locked bootloader) and one that will only let you go back to like OE1.

Root and having and unlocked bootloader are 2 very different things and just because you can obtain root, it doesn't mean you can unlock the bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jrkruse:
Peace and love! Peace and love! If you obtained the results you were looking for it's all good right?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dhollar:
Any Luck?

Hi Mr. Whippy!

Just curious if you got any definitive answers? I am having trouble getting anything to install at all after i get the phone rooted. Once I get SS installed (as well as the others apps), What steps do I take to get the ROM installed? Thanks for any help!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Hollieanne:
I cannot get past this part. Can you please help? I've done everything in the instructions but it just keeps hanging on this part.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Hollieanne:
I can't get past this part. Can anyone please help.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] al50:
I haven't used JrKrsue's new method as to my device hasn't been any further than the OC4 OTA update. As to you knowing if you're rooted or not, Jrkruse had posted a pretty thorough installation guide, with images of what the program should read in the process of establishing Root. When you're asking about if you're rooted or not, if you flashed the ROM that he has posted in this thread. I don't think it's one of his 'BS' ROM's, where it's been "debloated". If you're wanting to remove some of the "bloatware", you will need to use Titanium Backup to do this. Also, if you have SuperSu in your App drawer, then I believe you're rooted. Someone may correct me if I am wrong. We are all here to help but asking for so much without reading and more reading may lead to no answers or smarta** comments. Best of luck and the answers are there (here).
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dudash:
I'm not sure which part you're referring to..
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Hollieanne:
I am referring to the g900v root program or whatever that does the process of rooting. It just hangs up on the "rooting now" thing and never does anything else. I'm new at this so I'm not sure what I am doing wrong.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Hollieanne:
This part
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DigiPooch:
Hey guys, 1st off I want to say thank you a crap ton for this insanely awesome work. I managed to get through everything but of course being me, I butchered it all as soon as I restored almost all my stuff and decided to attempt installing the xposed framework excetera by flashing through safestrap then flashing the reboot Kernel and soft bricked as soon as I rebooted. I then ended up right back at the beginning of course doing it all over again. I did create a backup as soon as I flashed the deodexed ROM but that became pretty worthless when I couldn't get back into safestrap. The only reason I'm writing this in this section is because it pertains specifically to this process of upgrading. My question is- does anybody happen to know or is possibly able to direct me to a legit way of installing xposed after doing this upgrade method? One of the main reasons I took the leap was because I was under the impression xposed was functioning on lollipop. Any help would be amazing and thank you in advance.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Veid71:
it definitely does work on lollipop but im not sure if it works on ok3 i heard that it does but its not working for me either are you sure youre flashing the correct version of it?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] GeTex:
[MENTION=7161698]musterion1973[/MENTION]if you wanna check if you have root, get the app root checker basic, simple, removing bloatware isn't done by root, it is done via external apps(no bloat free, titantium backup, rom toolbox, ect)

[MENTION=4540412]DigiPooch[/MENTION] Please read my previous messages. that NI2 kernel you flashed in odin? guess what, if you ever soft brick your phone, go to odin, flash the NI2 kernel, and that will boot you into safe strap everytime assuming it's installed :) no need to start over again :P

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Made an updated version of the OP, Will delete once [MENTION=1949695]jrkruse[/MENTION] takes a look, add anything you see fit, any suggestions welcome(give me thanks and mentions if you want, I'm not greedy :) )
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jbendor:
WRT: The Goal of "Working Root Method For 5.0 Lollipop Roms OE1 and OG5 and OK3"

True! It was not stated that the procedure circumvents the "locked-bootloader" problem. However, "my" goal was to remove all the bloatware that Verizon puts on "our" phones, including the nagging reminder that my SIM card was "not" from VZN.

Hence, I wanted to install a contemporary and streamlined Rom for Android 5.X, such as the latest Roms offered by Cyanomagen and Remix.

AFAIK, this goal is not achievable without unlocking the (locked) bootloader.

So, I ask: What's the practical purpose of the non-trivial 20-step procedure?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jrkruse:
I guess if you go through this non-trivial 20-step procedure you could get rid of that sim card message and remove that bloatware
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jrkruse:
If you copy all the code from your post and send it to me so I dont have to recolor and relink things I'll update the OP with your directions
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] icemilk:
once rooted, how does one go about getting the native wifi tether/hotspot to work, without flashing a custom rom. (The deodexed rom seems to have an issues with android pay, tried temperary unrooting, didn't work)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
I understand. and thank you for your reply and time. you know it occurred to me that maybe others can link me to where these answers are. or offer some sort of search terms to help find the information..thus saving time by forgoing all the thank you posts. and getting down to the nitty gritty and meat of what one need to know. I have spent a lot of time searching and I always seem to get. "no results found". anyway thank you and bless. you.:p
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] GeTex:
What i did no joke was click reply on your op, and it copied all the text for me, just remove the quote at the start and end :)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
In the first step, does that zip.tar update the firmware?

I guess my real question is, after this rooting method, should we flash just the BOK3 firmware UNLESS we're changing from the BOK3 kernel?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
lol, u can say that again. .:cowboy:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
For some reason, the wrong version of SS was in the V10 folder. I was able to install a custom ROM using Flashfire. After reboot, I had to reinstall SS. When it was reloaded, it was the correct version. I have no explanation why, but now I can load custom ROM's with SS.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] painiac:
We are talking about a non-trivial difference in terminology between "root access" and an "unlocked bootloader". This was not previously a concern on older phones, but it is now that Samsung has actually succeeded in truly locking down the bootloader. The bootloader looks for a TouchWiz-based kernel, and if such a kernel is not present the bootloader will not allow the phone to boot. Due to a hardware "qfuse", nobody has yet figured out how to modify the bootloader. This means, as you've discovered, that non-TouchWiz ROMS cannot be installed.

Root access is simply a configuration within the operating system that allows one write access to protected system files. This is HUGELY powerful, allowing one to modify or delete system apps or alter how they function. Unfortunately, it has no effect whatsoever on the bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jbendor:
WRT: Rooting versus Unlocking Bootloader on S5 G900V

Thanks for the detailed reply. Yes, rooting does provide the benefits mentioned, but my goal is (and maybe our collective goal should be) to install a "neutral-and-open" Rom. Personally, I don't want to see the VZN (or AT&T) logo screens. The S5 phone is available elesewhere without a locked bootloader --- the lock is "not" an unavoidable "feature" of Samsung phones, but a deliberate modification by VZN and ATT, in clear violation of the purpose of Google's terms for modifying the Android environment. Alas, in the USA the phone monopolies prevail over the powerless end users. This isn't so in other countries. When I buy my next phone it will "not" have a locked bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dhollar:
OK thanks. Ill see if that will work on my as well.

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Is there another ROM I can flash that anyone can recommend? When It is finished rooting, the file gives me a e. signature error and fails.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Adrian Dennis:
FoxFi works.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jrkruse:
Android pay doesnt like rooted phones thats it. It doesnt matter if you disable supersu or not it still will not work. The rom in the OP is 99.9 percent stock. It has the wifi tether fix and device status set to official even though it is a custom rom. You should really think about flashing this rom or another rom so all the knox bs and security logging agents are removed
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Adrian Dennis:
close program, remove USB from PC not phone, remove battery, reinsert battery, connect usb, try root program again
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
hey guys, uhm..well I have gotten all the way to stage 26. "26. Now open Busybox Installer It will show BusyBox is already installed Reinstall Busybox even though it says its installed . Click on Lollipop Safstrap and click Install Safestrap after it installs click the back button and click on Recovery Reboot" I am lost. I have BusyBox open. I did install it as instructed I am looking for anything on the screen within busybox that says Lollipop Safestrap. I do not see that anywhere. do you think you could find time to elaborate on this instruction . so far so good just cannot find Lollip[op Safestrap.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Hollieanne:
I truly need help. I have read all the posts and I'm still stuck. I'm new but I don't want to annoy people, but could anyone help me?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
After you install BB, push the home button (on the phone). Open apps and you will find Lollipop Safestrap. That's the app you want to run next.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
what is the issue youre having trouble with ? maybe I can help since I just finished and for some reason my phone is updating 322 files?

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my phone is saying it is upgrading? I have no clue why.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
Relax. Mine did the same thing. You're gonna be stoked.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
okay all finished..I dont see anything different. all the same bloatware is there. I dont see anything different. no speed improvements, a little lag but nothing to worry about. what am I supposed to see that would be different from an unrooted phone? maybe I did something wrong?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
What step are you at? If you've installed SS, FF, BB, SuperSUme, then try to run Lollipop SS and see if it asks to grant superuser status. If so, you're rooted.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
everything I had installed has superuser permissions -. I thought the interface would look different. I also thought the bloated programs would allow my to delete them for ever freeing up more memory and space on the 16gb storage. maybe my expectations were a bit off. lol.

you know..like what was all this about.lol hassle for what? I just want to be rid of all this crapware. looks like there is no way to get this junk off here. my buddy has a rooted phone and it looks neat. his interface looks amazing. I thought that was what the rom was for. I dont know man. I think I had my hopes to high.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
Which ROM do you have installed? I think there's a debloater.zip file for the deodexed VZW stock ROM in another thread in the Verizon Galaxy S5 Development forum. It HAS to be the VERIZON version and the BOK3 not the BOG5 ROM debloater (not sure about that, but it's how I'd do it).

Alternatively, you can use Root explorer and start deleting program apks but be careful!

I used Titanium BU (pro) to freeze programs I don't use.

Also: The Deodexed ROM fixes the external SD w/r issue and blocks OTA updates, both valuable, IMO.

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Oh, and I think the debloater.zip is run from SS. Don't forget to flash the BOK3 kernel before rebooting to ROM.

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looks like you just use the BOG5 version...

http://xdaforums.com/verizon-galaxy...sed-tw-rom-t3281095/post65043260#post65043260
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] toty556:
thank you .

you are my hero:)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
I used the one the OP said to use. the ..oh let me go look.. the stock rom. I think. yes it was the stock BOK3 rom is there someplace on the phone I can look to see what I have if anything? my system was BOK3 so thats what I stayed with. I just did as OP said to do to the best of my understanding.

now see you added "Don't forget to flash the BOK3 kernel before rebooting to ROM" I don't know how to flash anything. I just did it and have no clue what I did now you're telling me to remember to do it and I may have forgot to and cannot remember:cool: how.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
Look in Root explorer, if you cannot find SDM.apk, (the OTA apk), then you have the deodexed version of the ROM installed.

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Whenever you leave SS you have to re-flash the BOK3 kernel. SS runs on a kitkat kernel (I think) and you have to switch flash back via the "Install" button. (Pick the flashable BOK3 kernel).
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
deodexed version is probably what i have. I think that is what the OP offered right under , where he says he would flash a custom rom after installing so on and so forth at the end of the tutorial. I looked in root explorer and could not find SDM.apk or anything saying OTA.apk I know those are abbreviations thought I have no clue what those mean. but non the less I found nothing at all resembling them. I did notice Knox has vanished. in About Phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
You're rooted and custom now. :cool:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] musterion1973:
that is so awesome. now I have to find a rom that will look better and get rid of all this crapware. unless you know how to do it.

To everyone that helped and even fought me a bit. thank you for your help. and to the OP and those involved in finding how to do this.....Thank you.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Mr. Whippy:
Only use the ROMs in the Verizon Galaxy S5 development forum. Even so, double check to make sure it's a TouchWiz based ROM and compatible with the kernel/firmware you're running.

The most stripped down ROM I've seen is the No_BS VZW Stock.BOK3 ROM. It's very bare of apps. (But still looks like the standard VZW ROM).
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] al50:
Go to this thread. Link is posted below. Just be sure to read and read again (Lol) of what the Dev has posted in the OP. Enjoy and happy ROM'n.:)

http://xdaforums.com/verizon-galaxy-s5/development