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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ekerbuddy:
The good you already know so I wont go into all of that, but after all the hype I'm actually dissapointed with this device.

I am a long time treo user (my last machine being a very stable, but dull treo 680).

Last month I bought the HTC Touch (a FANTASTIC machine, especially with HTC Home). But after the Treo, I still need a keyboard as its basically hard work to enter long messages, even with the SIP keyboard (plus TYTN II has 3G and GPS).

So I got my TYTN II 2 days ago and im not enjoying the exeperience, especially when compared to the Touch which was flawless for me. I find that the machine hangs, isnt that responsive, the sound level is much lower than the Touch (both ear and speaker) and while its supposed to be 2x as fast, it really isnt much faster than the Touch. It does have a better screen than the Touch and many other advantages, but none of these are critical for me. Plus I dont know anyone who uses video calling so I have noone to call with it!!!

But the worst part of the TYTN II is that its a MONSTER in both size and weight. Its like walking around with a brick in my pocket! For example, holding the phone while on a long call is very uncomfortable. I just dont like the form factor (actually I miss my Treos front facing keyboard).

So if you own a Touch, have a BT GPS device, can get by with wifi, and can get the hang of the on-board keyboard then I suggest you upgrade the ROM on the Touch and stick with it. Im sorry i didnt.

That said, now I own this device Im going to try to make it work for me and get used to it, or sell it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
About the size and weight, it should be subjective.

For me, it is perfect, not small, but not too big either.

The thickness is good, less than TyTn but more than Touch.

I have no problem handling and carrying it or making phone, etc.

The device is quite responsive, I dont have problem with it. The built-in keyboard is working fine except that I am not used to it yet, so sometimes I missed the key :) But, I am working on it (to get used to).

The thing that I dont like:

1. Takes a long time to fully charge from 10% to 100% ! More than 4 hours using USB connection.

2. Need more hardware button to map application :) I want to be able to switch application by using a hardware button. Well, I can replace one of the button, but ...

3. Camera and video recording sucks on indoor situation (low light), but very good on outdoor.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eva_d:
You mean USB cable connected to computer - it always was like that. Hermes was not different. If you use wall charger, it will get job done quicker.

Well.. what else can you expect? This is a phone, not real camera, it would always suck in low light. But camera is still pretty good, as for phone - while in good light conditions, of course. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eva_d:
Both are really good. I was impressed by call quality, really. In terms of GPS, IMHO there is also nothing to complain about...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mlekas:
hardware audio control

Actually the jog dial on the side defaults to volume control when you are in a call or running (foreground) an app that has volume aspects, like Media Player or HTC Audio Manager. Agreed that there's no general audio control tho. You can install 3rd party apps to give you one-touch scheme changes - check the Hermes forum for apps like O2+ (DiStefano's cab collection is nice).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Reload63:
Problem after phone calls

There seems to be a problem with the Kaiser. After finishing a phone call on the Kaiser the backlight goes off and stays off and I cannot access the Start menu. I can access all other functions but backlight stays off and one still cant get into the Start menu from anywhere on the screen. I have to press the power off button quickly once and then wait a second, press it again to be able to access the start button or the light to come on. This is definitely a bug in the tytn II and I hope HTC is doing something about this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eva_d:
No such problems with my Kaiser. Maybe some specific application is causing such behavior? Try uninstalling some of them, and check - but the best test would be hard reset and check on 'clean' ROM. If problem still persists - get the warranty replacement.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

This has already been reported and confirmed by a few people and happens when you have a password word set on the device. If no device password is set it works okay and you will not be affected. Workaround at the moment is not to set a password or press the power button again after a call to get the device back on.

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mlekas:
strange, I have a password and do not experience this problem (thru 3 different AT&T roms). I'm happy to test it out on whichever rom exhibits the problem tho.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] magxs:
The problem only seems to exist on the official HTC ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Brian_Mattey:
Bluetooth headset volume too quiet?

Hi,

I've got a Motorola HS850 headset (two in fact) and I'm finding that people sound too quiet even with the volume at maximum ... but with the same headsets on my XDA Exec it's fine.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Brian
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gdevil_1:
i have seen this http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6 and supposing (i might be wrong) the gps chipset of KAiser is the same as P3300 i am very worried. i mean if the gps shows u are 30 meters away from where u really are it isn't a gps chip; it is just extra weight on the machine.

Any comments from allready users? :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
I can only say that even with it's rather jumpy lock on sats it places me within around 20ft of where I am.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gdevil_1:
Supposing u use some software for car usage like tom tom those 20 ft dont couse a huge problem?

I mean IF u are 20 ft away from the point u should turn and u reached the next crossing this is a big problem right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] doug0365:
I have had this happen to me when I've been a long call after I hang up I cannot access the start menu neither by taping on the screen or the start button but everything else works.. very strange
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ROOSH315:
Yes, I am facing this very issue also. I read in this thread to stop using a password. So I will try it out and see if that works. In the mean time, is there anyway to keep the backlight on while on a call on battery power. The screen completely turns off while on a call.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ROOSH315:
If you have an exchange server, a password is REQUIRED, so no work around for people who use an exchange server.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GenesysLV:
:confused:

I disabled my phone lock password and the issue seems to have subsided. I still have Activesync set up to sync to exchange.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ROOSH315:
I am unable to disable my phone lock (it is grayed out).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
Dont forget that the satelite is not giving you accurate position as well.

" ... Electronics errors are one of several accuracy-degrading effects outlined in the table below. When taken together, autonomous civilian GPS horizontal position fixes are typically accurate to about 15 meters (50 ft). ..."

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=329753

And the TT6 is working fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] y2whisper:
For those with the IE issue with storing the cache on the card:

Are you able to download attachments to your card? I am not, it gets to the end and then I get an error that the card isn't attached anymore (yet it remains secured in the slot). Then i save to the phone and no problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DVS_WiNdz:
Today the phone just froze on me while I was uninstalling a program.. I couldn't even do I soft reset.. I had to take off the battery.. which took me like 30 minutes cause its so hard to take off the battery cover.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
That sounds like the software's fault.

Regarding the battery cover:D Yes indeed that is a technique that you have to learn - I'm getting pretty good at it, it's all about where you place your thumbs. The manual has a good starter diag.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wardy:
I only get the card cache problem if using 3g or hsdpa ... 2.5 seems fine is it a cache issue writting to the card ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chrisnash:
My thoughts after 3 days with my Kaiser

1. Radio Rom - Dreadful

2. GPS - amazingly fast!!! 7 second fix today from cold doing +70 on the M4

3. Battery life - pretty poor from first impressions - but then you do tend to overdo a new device ;-)

4. Camera - virtually unusable - too long to shoot and invariably blurred

5. Storage - fantastic

6. A2DP - Amazing with my Jabra BT620. Im on 64 for BitPool at the moment with no drop outs yet.

7. Sound quality on handsfree (Bluespoon) - worse than awful!

8. Radio Rom - Crap!

9. Internet calling - out through main speaker not earpiece

10. MS Voice Command uk - NO TWEAKS. WORKS OUT THE BOX!!! even headset button push.

11. Radio Rom - Bloody awful! -

12. Build Quality - feels like a jewel!

13. Packaging - Slick

14. Finger scrolling - getting to love it

15. Radio Rom - PLEASE CAN I HAVE A NEW ONE!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bouloama:
What kind of problems do you have with your current radio rom? Only because the bluetooth headphone troubles?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nautiakopnoy:
Here are my little bits about the TYTN II

1. I tried calling my phone from another phone.... there is a one second lag

2. Batter Life is OK.... not Perfect it lasts me a day with somewhat constant use

3. Sound quality good...... it works good with my jabra JX10

4. Build- good never dropped it cause it comes with a case

5. Camera- no flash.... laggy.... no zoom on 3mpxl mode

6. Wifi with vTap is the best!!!

7. Gps... slow sometimes...... but not bad

8. Slide switch to landscape can be slow sometimes

9. uniqueness - A+ everyone asks me what kind of phone i have

10. 802.1x capable with software so i can use my university's internet

11. Benifits outweigh the problems ....... GREAT BUY tmobile USA should come out with 3g soon i heard a couple months........
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MikeChannon:
Yeah, did he mention the radio ROM, maybe I missed that?

Actually I don't have a problem with mine - maybe it's an Orange thing?

Rest of the points made I would agree with, but it would have been nice if he'd mentioned how his radio ROM is.

Mike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ves:
I don't know which program your using, but I tried it with skype today and it work normally through my headset
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bouloama:
That isn't the problem, through headset. But the output of the internetcall's is default via the speaker. I think he did not mentioned to say he ment the earpiece speaker from the TyTn it self.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jyavenard:
Received my TyTN earlier today, only get to use it now...

How do you prevent the contacts stored on the SIM to show up in the Address Book ?

I miss the comm manager button, can't easily switch to silence mode anymore ...

Jean-Yves
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] danprodan:
I had the same problem with the speed of the camera. I played with the settings, and now it is very fast. Not sure what exactly affected it, I suspect taking off the sound.

My current settings are:

Storage - on storage card

Resolution - works fast with any resolution

Camera - Main camera

Quality - super fine

Metering mode - Center

Time stamp - Off

Capture format - JPEG

Shutter sound - OFF

Shoot option - full press

Grid Off

Keep backlight On

Radio is excellent for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
Use one of the plugin for making shortcut, for example:

- HTC Home plugin (its there preinstalled)

- iLauncher

- Spb Pocket Plus

- Wisbar

- etc.

I use at this moment HTC Home plugin and put comm manager in the launcher tab.

The HTC home plugin also has ringer setting tab, so you can easily silent your kaiser :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Joao Sacramento:
My comments

Hi

My tougths

1 - I miss the comm button.

2 - Camera, the autofocus is slow

3 - still to heavy (ideal is to have a device no more than 120g)

4 - when the keyboard is fully open, up raw is dificult to reach

5 - The design of several programs can be improved to be used without the pen (I hate to get the pen each time I must chose a contact for example, but I loved the touchflow)

Regards,

Joao
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] darkilici:
Joao Sacramento : For 2 - did you try to take pictures with the Action/Enter button? It's really much faster than the camera button for taking pictures
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] technillion:
Connect speed/type doesn't matter for me. I'm not having any issues with storing attachments to the card at all. Just redirecting the cache settings is the only thing that freezes IE for me.

TEC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Pooper:
Hmmm here's my list of annoyances:

1) The fact that after a phone call, the backlight dims and the only way to get it back to 'normal' levels, is to turn the screen off and on again.

2) HSDPA/3G/phone connectivity seems VERY random.. although i still dont know if this is an issue with T-Mobile :S

3) When composing an email, the 'auto suggest' can severely lag... i've had to limit it to 2 words (which still lags quite a lot).

4) Haven't got the GPS to work yet... i'm going to be annoyed if i have to hard reset (due to the 'omg if you change any settings you f**k the GPS' bug!) lol

5) HTC Home screen randomly locking up

6) IE severely lagging when scrolling

7) The 'up' button needs to be pressed harder for it to register (niggly - but still really annoying when scrolling through menus etc! - probably just a 'unique' handset issue i'm assuming, not widespread).

8) Windows Live CONSTANTLY popping up with the login screen (sometimes before ive even had a chance to enter my PIN when ive rebooted the phone). Even if ive set the Live syncing to Manual, this sometimes happens.. and R E A L L Y pi**es me off!

That's all i can think of right now... and i think really most of my problems relate to the RANDOM connection problems im having :(

Thought it had something to do with Activesync messing things up (i have it connected via USB while im at work), but hmmm... even when i try to make outbound calls it takes about 3 attempts to get through... GRRRRRR

But if i can fix that, i'd love the phone (oh and fix the stupid GPS issues!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Joao Sacramento:
Hi,

Yes, Still I find it slow...

I just remember also about another thing... I would like a 3.5 Jack connector.. and not the USB mic/earphone...

Regards,

Joao

PS : I complain a lot.. But still I love it... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jyavenard:
Okay, after 3 days with my TyTN II.

First, it is significantly faster than my TyTN (original). Everything respond pretty much instantly. Quite impressive provided they both use a 400MHz processor.

The not so good:

GPS: the accuracy is off, sometimes by more than 50 metres. Never seen this with a GPS before. Yesterday I was driving along a main road, TomTom was showing the location on the next block ! It's not TomTom as when I use a BT GPS the location is spot-on

Bluetooth: for some reasons the volume is quite low throught the BT headset. I have to raise the volume quite high to be able to hear properly.

Contacts: this thing keeps showing the SIM card entry within the main list. Is there a way to disable this ?

The big +:

Voice Dialing: You can finally save your voice dials.. How ace !!! such a good idea.

The screen is very clear and bright. Love it

Question: one day while TomTom was running, I press the button to do a voicedial on my BT headset. At the same time, TomTom gave a direction, and I could hear it in the BT headset.

Is there a way for all directions to be given on the BT headset instead of the speaker? that would be ace while I'm riding my bike (I have a helmet with BT headset integrated: Nolan N42 + ncom)

Thanks

Jean-Yves
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ves:
No with me, I tried it and is was acurate witin 10 meters

This is a know problem, people are still trying to figure out if it's a software issue or hardware one.

So far no solution to this (normal way)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] evilc:
My biggest gripes:

The Keyboard:

Very annoying how when you enter Fn mode for numbers, Backspace becomes Delete, so you can't delete to left of cursor. What's more, in Fn mode, left arrow becomes comma, so you can't even left arrow on the KB and Del, you have to use left on the d-pad on the front of the pad and use del.

USB connector:

Why oh why oh why is there no standard headphone jack?? Even an additional one as well as being able to get sound through USB (Which I understand can have advantages) would be fine, but no... if I want to plug into my friend's hifi to play some music when I go to his place, I have to bring a dongle. Annoying.

Music player (Not really HTCs fault)

none of the buttons on the front of the phone appear to let you go back to the parent dir in the menus (eg when browsing playlists) - The "Back" button is mapped to Backspace, which is inside the phone.

The Back Up command is one of the few that cannot be programmed in the Hotkeys section.

Probably circumventable by a reg key or something, but poor show none the less.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RPG0:
Well, i kinda like my kaiser so far - 2 days of usage, but i had a Prophet for 2 years (WM5 and WM6) so i know my way around a WM device. i only have a minor problem with it: the power button, i can never find it... on the Prophet it was protruded outside (i hope that's the term). well, that's about it

GL&HF
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jyavenard:
Yes, sometimes it is very accurate (as it should).

Some other times it's completely off the charts. Usually rebooting is sufficient to fix the problem and it's accurate again

Is there a way at least? even not "normal" :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mlai:
I have had my TyTN II for about 2 weeks. Most of the few problems are very minor and I can live with no problem:

1) GPS accuracy and smoothness. Seems to depend on the software used as well.

2) Very very occassional hang and that's only with Smart2Go and nothing else.

3) HTC Home taking up 1/2 the screen estate is a bit outrageous but can be swapped with SPB Mobile Shell.

However there is one that I am very ticked off about:

4) GIVE ME BACK THE MAJORITY OF THE 256MB FLASH!!!! It is ridiculous that the machine is advertized with 256MB flash rom and only around 1/2 is useable! I understand the hidden rom and the OS takes up a bit but taking up almost a whopping 128MB is bogus, especially with so few bundled applications!!!!!!! HTC, trim the fat off your rom please!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] srmz:
Malai can you kindly advise how much free program memory is available after a soft reset. As for ROM I absolutely agree it needs to be trimmed.

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mlai:
Right after soft reset, I have around 63.5MB after the machine stabilizes.

I have CE-Star 2.8R3a installed, Exchange Push mail activated, and SPB Insight (RSS reader) which I presume they will be loaded and active at boot, together with HTC home.......

Having said that, program memory never seems to be a problem on my Kaiser as I still have around 20+MB free when running Smart2Go or Mapking 2007 and navigation active...... Much better than the 64MB RAM devices.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] srmz:
Thanks for the very detailed reply
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fmcpherson:
I use the jog dial on the side to adjust volume while on a call, and it works with no problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drunkm3nky:
Do any of you feel that there is some play between the top lcd piece and the keyboard? I'm not sure how to explain the small movements but it does get a bit annoying.

When I use the stylus and tap near the right edge of the screen, the whole piece moves down a bit and taps the keyboard, giving off the impression that it's not very solid. The left side isn't as bad but the right side definitely has more movement/play.

Or is this an isolated incident?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deechte:
Maybe this is an A-GPS thing? I'm experiencing the same thing on my E-ten M700 every now and then. It has a SIRF-III chip with A-GPS, and I'm using Navigon MN6.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lukesmith:
I've noticed this on occasions. It's not happening now tho.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fusi:
sometimes pressing the power button to sleep the device kills music output - sometimes itll do it other times it wont

sometimes the device wont go to sleep - usually when ive got stuff running in the background like the media player (ive noticed as soon as the media palyer finishes playing, the deivcve will then sleep O_o)

the power button is very hard to find/press!

no issues with the screen hinge - seems solid in a softish way

bluetooth stereo works great!

my gps is fast and accurate a few metres - tried a numnber of diff apps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Entropy512:
This drives me insane. I experimented with Windows Live, and observed the following:

1) If you have it set to log in with a saved password and there is no data connection available, it will make the phone extremely unresponsive and laggy.

2) If you try to remove your password, in some situations it will keep on popping up the login prompt eternally. If you click cancel it will just pop it up again.

How can I completely clear all of my Windows Live settings without doing a hard reset? I've decided that it's not ready for primetime yet. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ITAdmin:
Ok, the display going dark while on a call can be fixed with the "Kaiser Tweaks" app!!

I also thik they should have supplied an additional USB port or at least an adapter for the audio. I had 3 8125's as the 2.5mm jack in the Wizard kept failing after being used 10 times a day.

The only other gripe I have is "Who the hell decided to put the speaker ON THE BOTTOM"??? DUH, DUH, DUH!!!

When you set the phone on a flat surface with the display open to type, the speaker is facing the desk!!!

#@!&%$$#$^&*()&%&#^%#@!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well

Other than that, this thing ROXS!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dragonwen:
just got my tilt, I agree, put the speaker on the back is the worst. I have the Dell x50v, the speaker is hidden under the navigation botton, and it sound great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pmow:
So far the only problem I really have with the phone is the battery life. It's terrible! I am running the ATT shippivng ROM on a Tilt...I believe it's with all Kaisers though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] saint168:
The battery life is bad on the Tilt. My one other complain is that the power button is hard to press. I like to lock all buttons except power so my phone won't turn itself on all the time. However, the power button on the Tilt is not easy to use by feel especially while driving.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fuzzycuffs:
I hate the unlock. Typing in the pin and then having to hit unlock is annoying. I just want to type in the pin and when it is correct, just unlock!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NoFatePPC:
Disable that function then!