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[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oile:
37 and 39 ° on bms? seriously dude, thermal throttling starts at ~45°. Your phone is absolutely normal!

Don't look at tz sensors, they are components instant temperature.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
Oh my god, I have been doing that with mine, that's hilarious! I mean, my Xperia Z1 would get really hot with some applications, but then I'd just take it under a tap and cool it off... xD

On the other hand, I really didn't know I'd need to care so much about heat under normal usage with a flagship phone. It's sad because it becomes really uncomfortable to hold.

Uh...okay, I will sure check that, thanks! But the last thing I want to do is to open a damn phone just to apply thermal compound. I wouldn't mind doing that to a PC every week, but doing once for a phone is kinda sad...

I kinda figured that out, the temperature they were showing is really over the head. The problem is, the upper part of the screen feels way hotter than 40C. I also did another run with the phone while heated and it showed throttling this time. Scores from Antutu and 3D mark were about 15~20% off.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
The Xperia Z1 runs on a Snapdragon 800, not a 808 so it's not the same. That's the reason the G4 used a 808 instead of a 810 as the 808 is throttled back. As for opening the phone, it's the easiest phone to open and you only need to do it once for the thermal interface material, G3 had heating problems too. A Smartphone is still a computer as it's a entire Unix workstation that fits in your pocket. The processor is 6 cores and is 64 bit and it's located on the top part of the screen.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
Yeah, I know that quite well, believe me. It still makes me a bit sad about having a phone of this kind heating like a piece of plastic you find at those cheap-o stores. I would have actually bought a Xperia Z3+, but I heard so much about the thing overheating that made me really sad.

I also found one of those travel pack kits, with a battery and a external charger, is it a good idea to get one? You know, make usage of this lovely thing that swappable battery is.

Oddly enough, my own battery seems to be lasting pretty okay, fully charged yesterday, did some gaming, watched videos on YT, installed applications and such. Still going for over 24 hours right now and it has some juice left.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
Remember that Sony has always been known as a quality electronics brand. LG = GoldStar... until they had flat screen tv's, GoldStar was always a low end brand. It's no different than Hyundai having their new Genesis or whatever car and trying to be in the luxury market. The brand will never be the same level as the luxury brands like Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti if you know what I mean.

No idea about the travel pack kits as I have never seen one here, depends if it's a good value or not as the battery alone is about $US30 and you really only need the battery. If you really wanted another battery, just call the wireless carrier and claim that your battery have issues, they'll send you one for free without having to send the old one back. I have over 760 apps installed including system apps and I have to greenify everything, otherwise Google Play Store won't download and install and hangs, doesn't do it on my Motorola Xoom tablet with less memory but only happens on phones even Motorola's for some reason. I noticed if I freeze Lookout, my battery life is way longer.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
True about the brand thing. But I really thought LG improved a lot. With their flat-screens and phones at least. I have been using LG monitors and TVs for a while now, only issue I had was with a LCD monitor, after 5 years of usage the thing won't stay on for over 5 minutes. The monitor would reboot and freeze at the LG logo.

The carrier thing isn't a choice where I live. The phone is "unlocked", so you can use with any carrier you want. My model is also the H818, dual-sim version. And yeah, it's going really cheap here, it's about 90 BRL, which is about 23 bucks. I found it in a good retail store and the product is certainly original from LG.

I also thought about getting the brand new Xperia Z5, but it's far too expensive here and it would have a smaller screen. While the Z5 premium isn't even an option because it hasn't reached the stores yet. So, the best option I had was the LG G4. Best price, swappable battery, larger screen, great camera and the best of those was the expandable storage. I own a toshiba class 10 64 gig SD, didn't want it to go to waste with a Samsung phone. ^^
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
It really depends on how many of the components are made by LG. Samsung makes more of the things inside their devices. As for LG, their OLED Flat Panel displays are full of problems if you look at avsforums which results into replacing panels and even sending full refunds. Panasonic sources the LG panels and then uses their own electronics and the thing is better but the Panasonic is atleast $US10k while the LG is $US5k.

I had never seen a LG monitor until recently as I'm still on a Silicon Graphics Inc 1600SW made by Mitsubishi Industrial in Japan, this is the same display used by the big CEOs on their desks including Bill Gates.

You can use the Verizon Wireless LG G4 with any carrier you want too, it's just the data part might not be 4G LTE speeds as those are all carrier dependent. Wow, 23 bucks is cheap for a phone since wouldn't it actually be cheaper buying another G4 than the so called battery kit you mentioned? The LG G4 supposedly has better reception than even Motorola phones from what I heard so not all is bad, basically they don't put 100% into a product so they can have room to introduce better models at a later date. LOL. The LG G4 is the only phone currently that has both a replaceable battery and MicroSD slot. To me, the second one is a requirement while the first one is good to have.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
Oh, sorry my english failed me there, second language and stuff, you know? I meant the charger kit is 23 bucks in here. 90 BRL converted to USD is about 23 bucks. The phone itself costed me almost 500 USD, got the one with black leather back, damn it looks great.

There's a lot of stuff about components I didn't know. Decent monitors here such as gaming ones are really expensive. LG ones manages good image quality and are also quite cheap. There is cheaper stuff in here, but the image quality on them is really bad.

Swappable battery isn't a must for me either, it's just nice to have. Now the MicroSD slot is a must, I like carrying a lot of stuff on the phone. Music, videos, games and such. Just 32 gigs wouldn't be enough for me xD
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
At $US23, it's still a bargain for the charger kit. I have the black leather back as well except the thread on mines is black as I basically used shoe cream on it to condition the leather after hearing some people's leather worn off.

About all monitors are cheap compared to my SGI which was $US2,500. I actually never use the internal SD because if something happens to the phone and it won't boot, you're in trouble as I have my Titanium backups on a 200GB MicroSD card which was actually cloned from my Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx HD.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
It is really cheap indeed, just ordered one. The kit's model is BCK-4800, it comes with an extra battery, a battery case and the external charger. Really great deal!

Did not know about that thing on the leather back... I do have a simple TPU case here, I haven't been using it because the phone's temperatures. It's really odd though, today isn't so hot in here (About 25-30C most) the phone is warm but it charged really quickly, it jumped from 5% to 85% in less than an hour. xD

Either way, that sounds like a really expensive monitor...Woah...
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
I'm using a battery pack as I still didn't get the free promotion of the battery, battery case and leather back yet as they ran out of stock. Last email from LG on October 20, 2015 was another 4-6 weeks which has came and gone, they haven't responded to my emails either. I'm using a Ringke Fusion case except it always pulls the entire leather back off when I try to take off the case.

http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-LEATHER-Back-Absorption-Protection-Customizable/dp/B00V51QOXA

When I got my monitor, it was in 2000 so it's still alive and kicking... LOL. It's basically the 17.3" version of the Apple 22" display. SGI is the big workstation manufacturer that has 500" or larger screens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
I did a quick search on it and saw that! I am actually using a old LG CRT monitor because my old 23 inch LCD one broke.

That case looks really good, but it's not shipped to Brazil... Oh well, nothing new, really.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
I was visiting the Microsoft Store in San Francisco and it seems they have these curved Wide LCD's from LG and Samsung that were 34" or so, wished they had UltraHD 4K displays that size. I think Brazil actually manufactures things too because I remember my friend from Brazil had a hard drive made by Western Digital in Brazil. Normally, it's from Thailand and China if bought elsewhere.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
Not many brands makes things around here. I heard WD and a few others does so though, if I am not wrong, we have a foxconn factory around here as well.

I was looking in a few places and noticed people saying it's better to NOT use this phone while charging. Ran about the few tests they said to with Ampere and it does indeed decrease how much amperage the phone draws from the charger if the screen is on. That's something the charger kit will really help me with, used to keep my Z1 plugged to the charger while using all the time and the battery never shown any problems in almost 2 years. This G4 is also the phone which has the best speakers I've seen. (Well, best flagship I got hold of in quite a long time...)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
I think there are others too from what I read,

As for using the phone while charging, it will just charge slower if you use it. My phone used to get stuck at 73% until I greenified almost all the user installed apps that I don't use. Haven't really tested the speakers on the G4 since believe it or not, I've actually been spending more time with upgrading apps and also when the 200GB MicroSD card died after almost 2 months of use, good thing I was able to copy everything, it just won't write any longer. The LG atleast works well. Sony phones before they used Android even under the Sony Ericsson brand was good for the software but the phone can't hold a signal reliably.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
There are a good few if you search properly!

Yeah, noticed the charging amp drops to below 500mah. And again, damn I'm happy with a 64 gig microsd card, a 200 gig one is a dream, haha! Thats actually more than my computer SSD xD

Damn, I had a couple of Sony Ericsson phones, never had problem with reception here. Nostalgy when I remember of my old w200i xD
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
Hehe, never really went searching...

My notebooks all uses 2 x Samsung 850 Pro 2TB SSDs.

I think maybe networks outside the US are better as far as GSM is concerned.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
They reallllllyyy aren't. Not in here at least. There are spots where no phone will work properly, like where I live. I barely get reception here for calls, 3/4g is impossible. So I just use my Wi-Fi connection all the time.

2tb? Woah.... 500 gb ones are expensive already here to the point people rarely buys. A 2tb SSD might cost as much as a medium end gaming pc xD
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
Oh, for some reason, I thought you had excellent reception, maybe that's why you didn't notice the problem with SE. calls don't work over WiFi yet for cellphone carriers, atleast Verizon Wireless but they have excellent coverage. I actually ordered 2 x 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro's but they sent me 2TB versions... LOL.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] YANNEDEVICE:
Hi michaelnishi !

Here is how I interpret this issue.

On the first use with a new device I think

It is normal , mine did heat up like that too

Because it is

- DL'ing updates

- INSTALLING all apps at once from Google play.

- SCREEN brightness is above 50%

It is advised to not use the phone while charging and we know we all do use our device on charge anyway.

That said while installing I kept the screen off for a little while too cool down the device.

After the heavy install the LG G4 temps went back to normal.

heavy disk acces while charging is usually not the best idea I think.

And Snapdragon 808 is a beast :)

Does the problem persist to you even on android M ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
Lucky, aren't you? XD

Not really... Coverage here is really bad. There's a small number of cities of which got good reception all around, and I dont live in one of them...

Hey there!

The phone actually began heating before I connected to my WiFi, just charging with the screen off on the first time I noticed. It did heat a lot more when I connected and began updating though.

Apparently I dont have the M update available for my region yet. Not via the wireless option at least...So, the experience I have is with lollipop and from a few complaints I've seen, I am not sure I'll update to 6.0 yet...
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ted presley:
I got really serious issue with overheating here, I decide to disable 2/4 A53 cores by using "Kernel Adiutor". It's ok for now.

Same as snapdragon 810, the 808 also got heating issue with the low power A53 cores , not with the A57 cores :) (quite weird)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
I might probably try that.

Although, I just got a new device yesterday at the seller. He just got the one I was with and gave me a new.

This one is not heating so badly, principally while charging, saw the device reaching 1.780 amp yesterday on ampere.

It did heat about the same while doing the android update I had via FOTA, but that's it. I believe it really was something to do with either the battery, charger or the phone itself that made it heat so much while charging. The issue is pretty much solved. This one is also getting the scores it should get on 3DMark and Antutu, ran both, one after another, it didn't heat about half like the other one.

Thanks for everyone that helped me out! I guess this should be a good thing to keep up in the searches, considering how the seller simply changed the phone without even testing it, I believe it's a recurring problem for the 818 dual-sim versions.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pfeffernuss:
Heating up while pulling 1800A is not very strange, imho :cool:
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelnishi:
Oh, the other device wouldn't get up to 1.5 at all and it would heat to thw point you couldn't hold it for long.

I meant that this one doesn't heat as much and it charges really quickly. (Compared to my Z1 or the other device I had)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Almighty1:
I guess people in the U.S. when looking at maps always thinks Brazil is just Rio for some reason. LOL.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bel57:
This is what I call "hot" / overheating. ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Naprzod:
What's the device? It's impossible to get to that temperatures in a snapdragon 810 unless you delete the thermal throttling file and do a really heavy task for a llooooooong time
[G 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deathshead:
Hey guys. Anyone know of any kernels with support for stock 6.0 builds such as a the Br soak test?

thanks!
[G 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] james11705:
There isn't any kernel for stock os as of now, wait till moto releases the official update.. Mostly developers will starts working on it only after that
[G 2014 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaddyHD:
Best Kernel for Stock Marshmallow will be the Stock Kernel itself :D
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osaab:
hi i recently downloaded the stock XAS 5.1.1 firmware for my note edge n915p (sprint) and i cant find the "data connection" quick setting in my notification panel. i have searched the settings as well. also id really appreciate if someone tells me how can i get the brightness slider which doesnt switch off auto whenever i slide it, like in 915f
[Note Edge Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msgm:
Post screen shots to help
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
I got my 64gb 6P yesterday and since then have only been getting 3.5 Hours of SOT with very light usage, VERY light... My brightness is 20% all location and Google Now services are off too. Why am I getting such poor battery life compared to others? Any solutions? Thanks.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gizmoe:
Try installing the factory image of 6.0.1 from Google. The instructions are on the same place as the images. I had issues on my device by updating and fixed it by Flashing the factory image.

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images?hl=en
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
Will this wipe my device? Could it be that the OTA 6.0.1 update I have was an issue?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kauemelhado:
On LTE?

My battery life :3.5-4.5 SOT with 24-27 hours unplugged
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gizmoe:
Yes it will wipe the device. You could first try and just clearing cache from recovery and see if it gets better. It's usually a good idea to do that anyways after an update. But yeah updates can cause issues since it is patching rather than a complete clean install.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
I am on wifi most of the time... The device is one day old and it seems to lose a fair bit in standby...
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
Could I backup my stuff whilst not rooted first? Also, is it worth rooting and installing a custom rom + kernel now. I see posts that some roms give 6+ hours of SOT... Thanks, any help is appreciated
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
For example, I'm at 72% battery with 50 mins SOT...
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyo12:
What do you mean by VERY light? If you use the phone in a manner where you constantly check notifications (screen on and off) and in short bursts, I would think 3.5 hours isn't too bad for a single charge. I get about that SOT with:

- Stock ROM and kernel

- 3 exchange emails on push notifications w/Nine

- Wifi/bluetooth scanning off but both radios on at all times

- Google Now on, battery saving mode for location

- About 30-45 minutes of YT videos per day

- On Wifi nearly 80% of the day

- Check twitter feeds and light texting

- Few phone calls

- Off charger around 6AM and will get home around 6-7PM with ~50% remaining

I can probably push the SOT to 4 to 4.5 if I have longer sessions in watching videos or reading.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
Yes, I am on and off a lot, I turn it on for 5 mins and to check facebook or text or whatever. I do that a lot throughout the day. When I watch YT videos it lasts for hours longer. So am I getting what I should be getting then? Does going off and on it a lot decrease the battery faster? If so, thanks for letting me know, I REALLY appreciate the feedback.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skimminstones:
youve had it for ONE day!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyo12:
Check the MANY threads about battery life in the forums and common theme you'll see is that SOT is like gas mileage. Longer the trip and more consistent the speed, you'll get more efficiency out of the car.

There are folks reporting 5-6 hours+ and I don't doubt that they do, but most folks just say "I get AWESOME SOT!!!!!" without really describing their setups and usage pattern in detail. Based on the phones I've had previously (N5, S2, HTC M7, S4), and my usage pattern, this is the first phone I have not had to worry about charging mid-day which is all that matters to me. So long story short, don't worry about getting X hours of SOT, but rather compare how the battery does based on your usage patterns against the phones you have had previously (also don't read the battery threads if you get influenced too easily because it can make it seem like you have a defective unit).
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
The battery is better than my previous phones!! Thanks for the help, you have reassured me a lot. I do have to charge it mid afternoon as just a top up, but it only takes around 30 mins to get enough charge to finish the day which is perfect.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galaxys:
Yep, I'm usually good with one full recharge a day.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
I took it off charge at 5:30 am and left it on my desk until 6:50 when I checked it. It dropped 5% in that time. The battery graph suggests that there are wakelocks? HELP?!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jabbermacy:
Doze settings on play store, set to last settings options, profit
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
Can you provide a link to this app please? I can't find it anywhere on the play store
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gizmoe:
He is being cryptic on purpose. Doze is marshmallows new sleep state. Go to the doze settings for play store and check the last setting. Not sure what those options are because I've never done it but that's what I gathered from his comment.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyo12:
Not to be rude, but there are so many posts like this... Please do some research?

Have tried clearing cache?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
I shouldn't have to clean the cache after 2 days of owning the device, surely
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] galaxys:
It depends on what activities you did those 2 days....
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mihovil13:
Get BetterBatteryStats....Facebook app is your issue, maybe Wifi drain too.

Dont use high accuracy Location and turn off Ok google recognition, wifi scanning etc.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rbrenart:
Take xda battery threads with a grain of salt. You too can boost your SOT by turning off cell data and having mostly dark web pages loaded fit 7 hours, but who cares?

So many factors go into it. It's nice that people will help you debug in the battery threads if you post BBS logs and such, but I'm just saying, don't try to compare one stat without knowing the rest of the year setup.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] [hfm]:
I consistently get 5-6 hrs SOT. Fully stock, location fully enabled. I don't use Facebook at all (extremely rare usage of their mobile site) or Twitter's official app. I've noticed many people complaining about Facebook's app.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
Facebook doesn't show up much in my battery usage stats though!!
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
Facebook messenger however, uses up more battery than the Android OS itself..
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yahoowizard:
Reading all these threads, if I'm at like 10 percent after 1.5 hours of screen on time, is that an issue? It was 1.5 hours screen on time, 5.5 hours of listening to Pandora through headphones at work, and a total of 15 hours of phone usage.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gman88667733:
From my experience, as long as you get through the day, you're doing fine! I've realised that the exact SOT you get varies a lot and doesn't matter all that much, as long as you get through a day and don't mind charging your phone after a day. For me, even with 3-4 hours of SOT, this phone's battery life is far superior to any phone I have ever owned. Makes my old Galaxy Note 3 look awful, and my iPhone. The phone tends to last longer when you stay on the phone for a while and are not just flittering off and on, if that makes sense... In short, don't worry about it, it seems to me that it gets you through a day!