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[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
The D5 is a more finished looking device IMHO due to the caseback engraving. Beyond that, they are the exact same device but with different firmware. I know on the Mini there are reported bootloop issues which I have not experienced (defective devices maybe). On the D5, Weather app updating is an issue. So it's a toss up.

Seeing they are the same device, dev support is the same on both.
[Other SmartWatches] bettuccio:
Which one do you recommend? I prefer the more subtle, with the longest battery life. I saw that now came out the TWRP recovery for both devices, I think I do a backup right away as soon as I possess. I had devices with this processor and I know something about it. What I'm wondering is: can I make a root with frameroot, kingo root or another and then install mobileuncle and flash the TWRP directly from there? What you think may work so well? If you can not work I will use the sp flash tool.

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Pablo 11 I also try your valuable opinion Thank you all xda that follow you for a long time.
[Other SmartWatches] soniasophie9697:
can each of u who has the watch give info about battery usage and how long does it last? thanks.

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i think only with root.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Aesthetics aside, the D5 and Mini are the exact same device. So it's just a matter of do you like the engraved caseback or not. As far as TWRP, flash TWRP using SPTools, ADB reboot into recovery, flash SuperSU. That's it. No framaroot, no Kingo, just flash/root/done.

Regarding MTK6572 smartwatches, this is year three of development on such devices for me, and the D5 is number 10 or 11 (I lost count after supporting the entire x201 series and clones).
[Other SmartWatches] soniasophie9697:
how is battery life with these apps, cos the app that on the watch just bad it disconnect all the time, i use Swapp Link so far so good but battery life is shorter with it.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Back case of K8 Mini...

Just for comparison
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
That's hilarious. So depending on the production run, the Mini and D5 are 100% alike. That leaves only the boot animation, the box and the name as being different.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Exactly :)

Actually, there are a few software differences. The D5 health app being more up to date than the K8 Mini and reports of different size SD storage available.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Seeing that you can directly flash D5 firmware on a Mini, and Mini firmware on a D5, I consider the differences mostly a matter of when the order was placed with the manufacturer and the brand personalization (face A vs B and so on).
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Yep,

No1 seems to be more user friendly than the X1 brand. I notice that all K8 Minis are X1 brand.

Another interesting thing is that if you unpair the watch from your phone and then do a scan from your phone, you can see and pair with something called X1 - N1. Even if the watch has Bluetooth disabled !!

I only noticed it while driving home tonight and haven't had a chance to look at it further. Very odd though...
[Other SmartWatches] bettuccio:
Pablo : what means that they are not equal memory? Which of the two leaves more free memory????
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Too bad it's not transflective like the TAG or I'd buy it.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Yeah I know :(

Still had to give it a go though. I'm in the UK at the moment but should get it sent on to me in a few days.....
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
I still tempted, but need to see more of the UI on the D5/K8 than watch faces and app drawers, which is 99% of what's out their unless you dig through +600 posts in the K8 thread alone.
[Other SmartWatches] the steve:
The gearbest presale has ended and it seems I will get this watch in a few weeks. At least I hope so...

Has anyone tried to use another launcher on this watch? I would like to have the normal homescreens to use the watchmaker wallpaper.
[Other SmartWatches] hystrix65:
Ordered in Tinydeal and arrived today! Now I'm charging it, I'm really curious to use it!
[Other SmartWatches] caltomoto:
Hi all!

I jumped in and ordered this watch last night from Gearbest with a 8% discount code. You can find them online if you search google. It gives 8% off everything on the site.

I was hoping that this would have a amoled screen like the k18 but it still looks very good quality and I like that NO.1 are taking it on. I've heard they relatively good at providing updates.

I have expedited delivery so should have the watch in 4-7 days. I'll post my thoughts when it arrives.
[Other SmartWatches] hystrix65:
I'm trying to find an app monitoring daily activity and heart rate, there isn't any preinstalled
[Other SmartWatches] n3tz:
hi, d5 or k8 support watchfaces?

thanks!!
[Other SmartWatches] hystrix65:
I'm ignorant, what watchfaces are?
[Other SmartWatches] n3tz:
this watchfaces
[Other SmartWatches] hystrix65:
Yeah you're right! They are 39 !

And you can add more I suppose
[Other SmartWatches] caltomoto:
Will it be possible to use faces from facerepo? I suppose the way the faces are displayed on the K18 or D5 is through part of the launcher? Can anyone confirm this? Do the faces work when a new launcher is installed?

Has any devs been working on tweaking the software to work with Facer, Pujie Black, WatchMaker?
[Other SmartWatches] wodam:
Hi. I've seen people in some videos who update de firmware of the watch. Try to do that. In a video, play store coming after update and reboot (K8 & K18). So, probably, apps you need will be instaled with de latest version of de SO. It must have onair update posibility. Let us know that and all of the watch!!! Please ;)

Edit: There is an update from No.1, Dec-24, in No1. homepage. It's Dec-24 firmware update. But... whatch is yours... on your own ;)
[Other SmartWatches] hystrix65:
I checked and it'already updated. Play store is installed but no pre installed apps appeared. I installed Pedometer and S Health, Samsung app, and they work fine but they don't activate hrm
[Other SmartWatches] the steve:
That is strange. There are YouTube videos showing the health apps on this watch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r9a6A_DwdQM

See timecode 6:38
[Other SmartWatches] caltomoto:
Did you purchase your watch from gearbest or what website?
[Other SmartWatches] hystrix65:
I purchased it from Tinydeal

The app in the video is installed in my D5 too, but i thought there was also an app similiar to Pedometer or Samsung S health, that could monitor steps, sleep and hr.

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This is the app installed:
[Other SmartWatches] caltomoto:
I don't think I ever saw a sleep monitor advertised as a feature.

Do you mean on your phone to track sleep etc?

I've just upgraded to this from a DM360. It had a stand alone app you could download on the phone that could give you a health summary but I guess this won't be the case here because the watch is an independent phone itself.

The pedometer and HR are fine for me. I'm hoping to download some hopefully compatible running apps that will be able to use the GPS. Does anyone know yet if the GPS is AGPS or full GPS? i.e. does it require a mobile data connection or will the maps run independently. Could you kindly test this if possible?
[Other SmartWatches] wodam:
Ordered one. Suscribed. Let's see. I Think it is a good choice.
[Other SmartWatches] Ananin78:
good morning

Can you tell me if this watch finally has support sim?

Because in tinydeal say no. I bought one because in the official web told that this watch support sim, but in tinydeal, the product with reference E-498098 which is no.1 D5 say doesn't support sim.

The aspect is fantastic, but it is very big?

In the official web there is a firmware for this watch, dis you prove it?

Thanks.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
It's within a few MB. Not worth worrying about.
[Other SmartWatches] bettuccio:
ah. ok. I'm more attracted to k8 mini but maybe will buy the less expensive of the two
[Other SmartWatches] smartwatchticks:
Has anybody taken a deep look inside either the D5 or K8 mini to determine if external storage is soldered in place or a removable TM (microSD) card as in the ZGPAX S8? The furthest I've seen in pictures is up the the metal plate covering most of the electronics.

Also, for those interested, it appears the app "App Backup & Restore" writes it's backups directly to the external storage in a folder of the same name, not to limited internal memory (which happens with the S8), which is great news.
[Other SmartWatches] bettuccio:
Hi , I'm curious as to what you say corresponds to reality.If was so we would have a greatest memory with a microSD .For the backup and restore you refer only to applications? Because to make a backup of the entire system takes the custom recovery

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Before I forgot to thank " Lokifish " I do now. Thanks to " Pablo . "
[Other SmartWatches] bennz:
Has anyone else faced the issue of trying to connect to the wifi but the password text box has limited number of characters allowed ?

I have never had this issue with my other devices, but this one seems to not allowing me to enter the entire wifi password ... What's the issue ?
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
The D5/Mini and K18/K8 have no external storage. Android, app data, and pretty much everything else, is all on one single Hynix memory chip that is soldered to the PCB. The ZGPAX S8 is the exact same way, it just adds a SD slot for expandable storage.
[Other SmartWatches] bettuccio:
now it's all clear. Then only fixed internal memory.
[Other SmartWatches] smartwatchticks:
Yes, "App Backup & Restore" is only for backing up installed apps, not the entire system. With that said, there is a setting within the app to BU many of the installed system files. Check it out on your phone if you're interested, then migrate the app to your watch. What I like is to be able to easily uninstall apps I don't need at the moment (using the uninstaller within the System) then using the built-in File Manager, navigate to the "App Backup & Restore" folder and install any of the 40+ apps which I have ape's of there. I have three different voices, for example, and can alternate between them based on my mood. I don't need internet connection or anything, just the watch. I only install one at a time keeping more of my internal memory free.

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That's interesting. It does seem the memory is in two partitions though, as there's limited "internal memory" as they refer to it, and a larger amount of some other memory. Running "Clean Master" shows the ability to move some apps to external memory, freeing more internal memory. It seems to work, too. On the S8, those apps were moved to the microSD card, as they wouldn't run if the card was removed. Very confusing area, this memory management stuff.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Lokifish is correct. The storage and system is all one soldered chip as far as I can see. I do have a broken K8 which was donated to be torn down to look at possible battery improvements. I will be back home next week and will post some photos of the internals so everyone can see how these watches are made.
[Other SmartWatches] Bocke75:
If anybody is interested.... i would sell my 2day old d5. Please pn.

Favourite sending to germany.
[Other SmartWatches] PaulBort:
Through MobileUncleTools increased volume levels. It became much louder.
[Other SmartWatches] the steve:
Speaking of memory partitions, is there any way to resize the partitions? The system memory seems very small and I can hardly install any apps on it. I tried to move apps to the external partition but most apps can't be moved, specially the Google programs.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
The D5 has a +600MB data partition and you can only install a couple apps? Something is not right here.
[Other SmartWatches] the steve:
On my device I have the google services + G.mail + g.maps + g.app using about 300mb of memory together additional to android system. Of course I installed some smaller apps too like nova launcher, watchmaker lwp and some little ones. Altogether about 100mb.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
Yes, MobileUncle is a great tool to have. It is even able to back up your IMEI and many other powerful tools are included in it.

Would you be able to explain to other users how the louder volume can be set?

I would encourage people to write a quick guide to explain any tips and tricks they discover.
[Other SmartWatches] joakim1988:
Hi , anyone knows about a good exchange email client for this watch?

Thanks in advance :)
[Other SmartWatches] Steve Giordano:
My first app optimized for Round display, ScrollReboot!

Is a simple app for reboot , reboot in recovery and shutdown you smartwatch!

Download v1.0
[Other SmartWatches] chrispazz:
Still waiting for mine to arrive.

Is it possible to do this on D5:

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/install-the-android-wear-launcher-on-your-android-device/

And is it possible to install native android wear apps?
[Other SmartWatches] soniasophie9697:
It is the app with Swapp Link it works great and doesn't drain the battery (I have k9 )
[Other SmartWatches] marcinsu:
1. Is any way to remote control shutter on smartphone by D5?

2. What is the best calculator for round display?
[Other SmartWatches] timbiker:
PERFECT !!! Thank you very much
[Other SmartWatches] negriton:
people who uses Iphone... I have found this

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tiki.droidsync.plugin

Just FYI
[Other SmartWatches] Elroy_b:
Tried to get internet over Bluetooth from phone (in stead of wifi tethering).

At first try it works, and i can replicate it to get it to work.. it's not fast, but it works...

Added howto, To post #2
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Still need to leave wifi on (but not connected) or otherwise the weather app may never update.
[Other SmartWatches] myspac:
hello,

Someone knows if FM Radio is possible with the D5 ?

Thank you
[Other SmartWatches] Elroy_b:
Not sure why you have so much problem with weather.

Here it is just working fine. Also with wifi off. Just tap the circular arrow to update and it wil update including the location where I am at at that moment.
[Other SmartWatches] caltomoto:
I saw this app in my searches. Have you tried it?
[Other SmartWatches] negriton:
No, I don't use iPhone.

Enviado desde mi MX4 mediante Tapatalk
[Other SmartWatches] thomas123jango:
can anyone post pics of atennas in the band?
[Other SmartWatches] Elroy_b:
Since there is only 1 button on the D5, and the "Back" function on top of the screen is quite annoying, i'm wondering if there is a possibility to remap the button and totally remove the "back" function on the top of the screen.

I mean something like:

1 tap = back

double tap = home

long press 1 second = standby

long press 2 seconds = original long press menu

anyone knows if something like that is possible?
[Other SmartWatches] cyrux75:
Didn't try it myself, but that should be possible with "hardware button" remap feature of GravityBox (xposed is required)
[Other SmartWatches] CPGOD:
All in One Gestures (App) might help - allows remapping of swipes and hardware button.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phoenixstudios.aiogestures&hl=en_GB
[Other SmartWatches] Elroy_b:
That seems to work..

Only thing i cannot get set is that I want to go to "in-app settings" when swiping from right to left.

I just cannot find that option (it's the right softwarebutton when controlling through teamviewer)

The power button can be mapped, but can only get 1 option press to open...
[Other SmartWatches] kotana105:
I used Xposed additions pro (free verson only offer button remap option) and it work, but quite concern about the button with high frequency use :D
[Other SmartWatches] soniasophie9697:
Prices of the watch are now less than 120 USD on Aliexpress app.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Here's a Q, are you in the U.S.?
[Other SmartWatches] seppo ropelinen:
Hello all again

i installed 3g sim and i do not get data working. calls and sms works.

question: how to get data working in sim?
[Other SmartWatches] soniasophie9697:
can you manually enter apn?
[Other SmartWatches] seppo ropelinen:
stupid question: what is apn?

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yes i can manually select after i changed internet to mms. but what to do there?
[Other SmartWatches] soniasophie9697:
to get data connection u need to insert APN in mobile netowrks - access point names, BUT on my K9 there is'nt a way to add and i hope it is not the same story with the D5, there is'nt anyway on the K9 to add a botton (i've tried many things...) again i hope on the D5 it is possible.
[Other SmartWatches] Elroy_b:
Nope :cowboy::D -NL-
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Sounds about right. No matter what firmware I use, both the D5 and K18/K8 weather has issues updating. With a GPS lock but wifi disabled they never update when using as a companion. The only constants are the physical devices and that I'm in the U.S.. Seeing that Weather and other features (voice to text KB is a prime example) are working for those outside of the U.S., that leaves me being in the U.S. the only constant.
[Other SmartWatches] corvus:
Yes, in Spain is working too... it uses Accuweather.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Don't get me wrong, it does pull the data from Accuweather but pull is flawed/indirect. I can have a verified GPS lock, active BT tethering, wifi off, no SIM- will sit for hours and never update. Meanwhile every major third party weather app I can find, including AccuWeather's own app, will update weather with no issue under the exact same conditions. Also have a consistent temperature mismatch between the weather app and the watchface. Another issue is if I do not set the timezone manually (if no SIM is installed), weather and time on the watchfaces is always wrong. Will get things like night time and 17C when it's daytime and 4C. Have the exact same issues with any firmware and the K18 as well.
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
I have to say that after trying all the available firmware versions - the K9 is definitely the most polished/accurate of them all.

If this can be adapted to the K8 - K18 round we would have an overall winner.

A mixture of the K9, [MENTION=3795702]Lokifish Marz[/MENTION] custom companion app and new - better G-Apps would be the ultimate result.

I will experiment with GPS data to see if the weather app can be more effective
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Agreed. I'm running D9 firmware today and tomorrow to see how it holds up. If all goes well I'll be using that as the new base. On the K18 better/full gapps will be an issue due to lack of /system space (@100MB free even after slimming). The D5/Mini/K9 fares a little better with 300MB free but still requires micro or nano gapps.
[Other SmartWatches] :
Just purchased the NO.1 D5 and cannot wait for it to be delivered. Have definitely done my research and read all the posts. Does anyone have any preference when it comes to using a 3rd party keyboard, specifically designed for a round smart watch?
[Other SmartWatches] negriton:
I use TouchPal using it sliding and with voice and definitely work pretty well!

Enviado desde mi MX4 mediante Tapatalk
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
lol - it was my post above that I tried to send you as a PM :)

The K9 has the edge here ! I'm running it myself to see how it goes.

All good so far.

Network fix already implemented too. Running nicely after root too...
[Other SmartWatches] :
Appreciate that. Does it cut a lot off round the sides? Am hoping the AOSP keyboard will be OK.
[Other SmartWatches] negriton:
you can resize the keyboard as you want... I reach to eveything
[Other SmartWatches] chrispazz:
Is there a demo video of D9 differences?
[Other SmartWatches] homer4evr:
Can someone tell me the size of the D5 leather strap at the buckle not at the watch, I.E 18mm 20mm 22mm.

Thanks
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
The strap is 22mm w/ a 2mm taper. So , 22mm at the lugs and 20mm at the buckle. You planning on making custom straps, because your will loose WiFi, BT, GPS and cellular if you use regular watch straps?
[Other SmartWatches] homer4evr:
Been thinking about how to make a metal band work, I posted my idea a few pages back, I can cut out the antenna and use jb weld to "fix" the metal band in a curved position at the top to hold the antenna but that would make it very fragile, my other thought would be to just use a deployment clasp, I can't stand straps but that would at least make it bearable.
[Other SmartWatches] furyo666:
And me to !

I'm excited as a child at Christmas. I think this smartwatch has a very good value for money. However, I would like to change the watch band ...
[Other SmartWatches] kotana105:
Good idea, my band seem to be broken as I wear it on and off to much but your idea will really help. Thank you :D
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Because JB Weld has metal in it, it will act as a secondary ground plane. This will most likely affect reception. In short, the antennas should not be used in conjunction with JB Weld or metal bands.

Honestly, you would be better off printing your own antennas, or salvaging antennas from a dead phone or the strap, and embedding them into the case. Except for GPS, I don't have a suitable antenna to salvage, I can say that it does work but requires some knowledge of RF. (yes, I'm doing HW mods as well)

References for the bold

Multiband Behaviour of Sierpinski Fractal Antenna

New Fractal Antennas for Compact and Versatile Telecommunication Services

MULTIBAND FRACTAL-LIKE ANTENNAS
[Other SmartWatches] homer4evr:
I've been trying to find pics of the antenna in the strap for a while now, the only thing I can find is on gear best. The k9 has a rubber cutout on the strap showing the approximate size. I'm still not sure if they are flexible or rigid I'm assuming they are a printed flexible board. I ordered my watch at the start of Chinese new year and it still hasn't shipped, I'm dying to get it and start modifying it but I'm still a long time from that.
[Other SmartWatches] bettuccio:
hi, I also bought the D5. Now I look what I get at home. As for charging the battery: how should I charge? In the videos I see a charger to charge the watch. Okay a loader of a normal cell? Or is too much tension?

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In the box there is a battery charger?
[Other SmartWatches] smartwatchticks:
I've just completed a 25 min video on 3rd party keyboards for the D5 with a shout out to PaulBort for his amazing keyboard design (see post #261-262 on "ClockSkin Collection for No 1 D5, K8 and K8 mini + Installation Guide" XDAdevelopers Forum). You'll find the video on the Youtube channel SmartWatchTicks. It's uploading as I type this. There are some interesting concepts out there. It was fun researching all this.
[Other SmartWatches] homer4evr:
Found this watch and I want it! Anyone else ever seen or know any info about it. Its priced to high at this website but they also have the d5 listed as there own so Im sure it can be found cheaperhttp://www.awatch.it/awatch-comet.htm
[Other SmartWatches] bennz:
Wow new dimension of ripping people of using cheap Chinese crap for 349 pounds ? Lol someone must be insane to waste that much money
[Other SmartWatches] homer4evr:
its called a w10, found 2 makers so far ''Suncon" and "fifine" not to sure who really makes it yet. Trying to find a good price for it.
[Other SmartWatches] CPGOD:
having the screen convert to square format looks useful, for those hard to reach options when apps not able to cope with round screen. (1st video, about 1:50)
[Other SmartWatches] pablo11:
That's gonna be some seriously chunky watch as it has a camera on board.

I think I'm happy with these slimmer ones :)