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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
My main point is while the custom ROM may give you increased performance and options, the default kernel thermal throttling points (for frequency as well as for core -- two separate settings) may be sabotaging benchmark tests.

I increased frequency point to 65 degrees, because that REALLY means 55 degrees, for some reason.

I didn't even touch the "core" thermal setting...

And my 50,000 result was on stock 640 dpi.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] tecsironman:
Cm12 is the same way. Low benchmark. I'm saying with exposed and stock
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
I'm on CM, but with [MENTION=5747496]baybutcher27[/MENTION] kernel. See my benchmark results above.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] fgl27:
The caused of the performance issues is simple heat vs battery level.

Has the device get hot it get low score because more throttle down, has the battery gets low same ting there is a setting to lock the clock under a frequency if the battery get too low, it starts only at 20%.

very simple table:

thresholds 80 85 90
thresholds_clr 79 84 89
actions cpu cpu cpu
action_info 2265600 1958400 1728000

this is editable this is in the file

system/etc/thermal-engine-quark.conf

I never try to edit it but you can.

But in my test I find that there is more then this file make the performance get low, and for me is just the battery as it get low the performance get too, but the battery is only responsible for some very little % of this the heat is 90 to 95% responsible.

So be aware that you problem is more heat you heat your device installing ROM make and restore backup don't give time to the device cools down and test.

No matter the ROM you try that will be the result, unless you can set the temp threshold higher like in a custom Kernel.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
I am willing to buy into the heat issue since i am changing between ROMS and such so i got a few things against me

1) chargin phone

2) restoring different ROM

3) not giving adequate time to cool

i am going to let eveything settle a little with RR and retest. i am using your kernel and used your performance recomendations. i am not a gamer i just do not like clicking a button and waiting. or wa5tching me type faster than the phone can output to a field
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
Yes exactly. i did nothing between test a and test b except unlock bootloader and install RR, CM12.1. and yet i got a huge performance drop. but same issue was with the computerfreek version which is like stock. so i am thinking it has to do with something else not playing friendly.

i would assume if with stock out the box i could pull 50k then with RR and a kernel boost i should be able to pull 52k.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.

Yeah, I also cooled the phone, so that is non-real world conditions, but changing the quite arbitrary throttling point is quite logical when it's been PROVEN that throttling point affects performance and actually starts throttling even sooner!

Read this.

So, on your custom ROM kernel, change your governor, change your throttle points.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
OK i am satisfied here. i unplugged the phone and benchmarked at 50.7k. apparently charging the phone cripples its productivity. i did not think it would cripple it that bad. and if this is a known thing i apologize for the posting.

i can now go back to enjoying the awesome RR and tweaking it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] tecsironman:
Yes sir I saw that.. Maybe I'll give cm12 another shot with butchers kernel. I'm at work ATM with just my otg and little time.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] cbalt:
My Turbo that I haven't bootloader unlocked. All stock with some stuff disabled in settings.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Yeah, okay, so all you did was change some throttling conditions. But you know what I had to do in order to get a higher benchmark than the one you got? Nothing. At room temperature. That's a problem. One of the main purposes of unlocking one's phone is increasing performance, not reducing it.

If the problem is simply an incorrectly set throttle point, all you should have to do to get 52K at room temperature is change the throttle point high enough, right? No cooling required. So let's see that. If you can get 52K without melting your phone in a normal usage environment, then good. No worries. Mine didn't even get hot during the benchmark, so you should be able to easily exceed my 52K score. If not, there is an issue that I think should be addressed.

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Charging = heat generation = throttling, so yes, that would do it. I'm still curious to see if CM and this custom kernel can break 52K though. I'm waiting for CM13 before I make the switch, but I might reconsider if I have to sacrifice some performance. The technical power of this phone was half the reason I bought it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] mrkhigh:
Stock cm12.1 benched 48,000 screen on.

Screen off it was 43,000.

I'm happy with it. I also think the battery life is mildly better.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] tecsironman:
Can I just flash butchers kernel and not mess with it? Is it good to go after flash or will I have to play around with settings?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] mrkhigh:
After you flash it there is nothing saying you need to change anything.

I would imagine he has the presets at what he thinks is best.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] drizzzzzz:
Just FYI, I'm running computerfreek's latest unlocked ROM with xposed and about 10 modules. No changes to thermal setting (don't know the default for this ROM either), and just have it sitting on the desk. I'm also, getting unbelievable battery life with servicely, amplify.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
http://xdaforums.com/moto-maxx/development/kernel-bhb27-kernel-t3207526

the writer of the kernel has said it needs some adjustments since he does not turn them on by default. but he gives 2 setups, 1 for battery and 1 for performance on post #2. i just set it up as per post #2 until i understand more what is going on with the kernel.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] cbalt:
This is the benchmark on my bl unlocked 64gb turbo. Running computerfreeks rom, xposed with a couple modules, I removed all the Verizon stuff since I use my turbo on att.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
You don't need to do anything.

But here's what I did. Using the app "Kernel Adiutor", in "Thermal" category I turned Intellithermal off and back on. (because at least on my two phones the maximum frequency in "CPU" seemed to be locked to some lower number? I . Turning it off, then back on corrected that.)

I also changed the throttling point in Thermal to 75 degrees from default 60 degrees because Intellithermal actually starts throttling about 10 degrees before what you set.

Also, I changed the CPU governor to something else besides the default "interactive". Some people have reported "interactive" governor causes occasional random reboots with Quark CM kernel sources.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] tecsironman:
Don't laugh.. I'll have to flash kernel every time I flash cm12.1 update. I have flashed many ROMs just never ventured into kernel flashing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
Your kernel settings will stick if you have "set on boot" in the kernel app. So while you will have to reflash the kernel after the ROM, you don't have to change your settings every time.

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Done.

Room temperature for the entire day.

75 degree throttling in thermal settings.

Performance governor.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Excellent. That clears up that question nicely. Thanks.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Nitefire77:
CM12.1 stock kernel
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] mrkhigh:
Well that makes no sense. Reality is the droid stock or cm is around 50,000
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] diabl0w:
its not good to usw performance governor

. it locks your cpu at max frequency 24/7
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
I didn't say I used that every day. I use bioshock myself.

I was showing benchmarks for room temperature over 53,000 with custom ROM. There may be other governors that will give you that score, but I don't have time to try therm all out. Performance did, so the question was answered. ;)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] diabl0w:
fair enough but its kind of misleading since any rom is going to shoot up in perfoance if you max out the cpus and its just not practical while stock is getting the same benchmark without draining the battery in half a day

[IMG="."]https://goo.gl/photos/hTtkvPby1Hm6XzyWA[/IMG]

i have a couple of small xposed modules and running bluetooth with my pebble, but was getting about 5100 on stock with even more junk on my phone. then again benchmarks dont always reflect actual experience and im enjoying RR much more than stock
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
1) You don't know the throttling temperature for stock, especially for benchmarks testing. Samsung, HTC, and Asus were caught rigging their phones to look better in benchmarks. Sort of like what Volkswagen did for their diesels. ;) I'm betting Motorola does it too.

Changing the throttling temps is more than fair to improve performance.

2) I used "performance" governor as an example. There may be other governors that are more battery friendly which will give you the same score. But that's not what was asked.

Also, see point #1 again.

http://www.techspot.com/news/56189-htc-boosts-one-m8-benchmarks-calls-it-a-feature.html

Motorola stock ROM may change conditions just for benchmarks testing. So you can't prove the conditions in stock are the same during everyday use as during benchmarks testing. If Motorola did what HTC, Samsung, and Asus did, in that mode your battery would drain very quickly -- if it stayed in that high performance mode all the time! So, using "performance" governor for benchmark testing only is very similar to what stock ROM probably does.

Somebody wanted to see over 53,000 on custom ROM with room temperature. Done.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] diabl0w:
1. i didnt say anything about throttling temps

2. as i stated, benchmark scores dont refelct actual experience.

3. idk why we are numbering our sentences
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
Because I have two points.

1)Stock performance benchmarks don't mean crap if Motorola is rigging the benchmark testing like HTC and Samsung does.

2) Tweaking throttling temps to get better performance is not cheating.

and a bonus point

3) If benchmarks don't reflect actual experience, you agree with me. Somebody disagrees with you (not me) and said they wanted to see at least 53000 benchmark score in Antutu on custom ROM at room temperature. So, I showed them CM 12.1 is capable of that. Take it up with them.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
The thread was not about not seeing 53000. It was about seeing 30000. Bencarks may not be a go to thing but you have to agree if a phone at one time did 50000 then does 30000, something is wrong. If you want to pretend that a 20k drop in a benchmark is meaningless then what do you suggest I use? Now after it was discovered the reason it was so low was because of charging at the time and the score off charge was 50k. 50k-53k now thosebare meaningless comparisons. The fact this thread has continued for so long is sad since bencharks are so useless apparently
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
Dude! Get over yourself. You are not the only one in this thread.

See this post below? If you can read, then you know I was answering this guy's question. I was not responding to your issues. I quoted him, not you.

I've told you many times now I was meeting that challenge only and you still want to argue -- over what, I don't know.

My normal benchmarks on the governor I use every day (bioshock) is close to 50,000. It's hybrid of conservative and performance governors. A little less performance but saves battery. I do keep the throttle temps at 75 degrees, because Intellithermal is too aggressive otherwise. And I can see that not in benchmark tests but in Kernel Aduitor, which shows me Intellithermal is locking the top frequencies to lower levels when I am doing almost nothing. So, raising the temp throttle stops Intellithermal from doing that.

Until the last couple of days I have not taken benchmark tests in MONTHS.

But if you read the post above, that is what recent my benchmark tests were for. I was replying to [MENTION=5901115]TheSt33v[/MENTION], not to you. He kept saying stock does this, custom ROMs should be able to do this. Well, rather than point out that stock ROMs CHEAT to do that (as proven by HTC, Samsung, Asus, etc), I showed him custom ROMs can hit that mark and more. Very simple.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
Even with what that guy said most of his comment s were directed at you're ignorant statements regarding a20k benchmark drop was nothing. Even what you quoted he was n not saying he wanted to see it like it better have it as your implication in the prior post but rather he would just like to see if it can. You are smart sometimes chazz other times you lack compression.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
You are not making sense whatsoever. Why not stop the useless discussion that had nothing to do with you?

For the 40th time I was responding to a specific question from someone else and you can't comprehend plain English, it seems.

if you found the reason for your own poor benchmark scores, good, but that has nothing to do with my reply to a specific person.

As far as my tone, I try to be helpful. If someone really wants to learn, I want to assist them. If someone wants to be difficult, I can reply in the same manner. It's up to you.

I've actually agreed with many of your points. Yes, benchmarks don't really matter. Yes, performance governor is probably not the best to run all the time. Yet you keep trying to argue. I have no clue why...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] johnbravado:
Becaue you have no idea who you are even talking to. You are confusing me with diablo or tescman but as for me you never agreed nor did you give any real help. You basically said benchmarks are garbage look at my score. Maybe you should go back and read if you are confused with the words being wrote? And your tone is always arrogant. You are either condescending arrogant or degrading arrogant. But usually not helpful unless you can peel through your arrogance.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.

htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.

Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.

Thanks!
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
Bump.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LLegion:
Really dont know about it, but as far as i know you can flash radio bands anyways, so look for it on the web or this site, i use dev with no prblems at all in mexico with LTE. =D
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andTab:
Is that really true?

I am looking into getting the HTC One M9 through AT&T but may switch to T-Mobile in the future.

As such I want a phone that fully supports both networks ...

I found a thread that it is supposedly possible to flash the AT&T phone to support developer ROMs but I can't find any information whether it is possible to also change band support. According to GSM Arena the AT&T version of the phone also supports LTE band 4 and 12 (needed for T-Mobile) but it doesn't support VoLTE on band 12, nor does it have 3G AWS (1700/2100), though of course there is a T-Mobile version of the phone WITH support for all of those.

Can I simply flash my phone so that I can (a) use CM13/AOSP roms and (b) so that the radio uses the proper AT&T or T-Mobile bands and tech?
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LLegion:
WELL I DONT BELIVE cm13/AOSP WOULD BE BEST OPTION I FLASHED DVEELOPER 2.11 AND OVER IT VIPERONE 3.5.0 (WWE BASE 2.10) ANS WORKS FINE, AFAIK.... TELCEL BANDS (MEXICO) ARE FULLY COMPATIBLE AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ATT, ACTUALLY I FOLLOWED IN THE HTC M9 THREAD HOW TO CHANGE MY PHONE (ATT) TO DEVELOPER EVEN WHEN I HAVE TELCEL AND IT WORKED!!! =D YOU SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andTab:
What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LLegion:
OHH I SEE SORRY, WELL WHATEVER, YOU CAN FLASH RADIO BANDS AS WELL AND SUPPORT OTHER CARRIERS, JUST read here... http://xdaforums.com/one-m9/general/recovery-flashable-radio-zip-t3122983

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[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LLegion:
and also check it on here... https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=32827

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[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods. :)

Thanks!
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andTab:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-6891.php

Google is your friend.

And in case you didn't notice: I was asking about AWS and VoLTE since LTE bands are the same.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clsA:
The T-mobile version of the M9 supports the most bands. The AT&T and Developer Edition are identical and are missing some bands needed for t-mobile LTE (Volte) support in some areas. Flashing different radios will not enable bands the phone does not have. Theirs more information in the T-mobile M9 forums

http://xdaforums.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401

http://xdaforums.com/tmobile-one-m9/general/dev-1-32-617-30-dev-edition-rom-tmobile-t3078315
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
Thanks for the reply. I have checked GSM arena, plus anything else I could find on google. I don't see a listing for the unlocked/developer edition on this page. I see EMEA, Verizon, ATT and T-mobile.

And yes, sorry, I didn't realized there was an AWS for HSPA, i was just thinking about band 4 LTE on ATT which I think is AWS.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andTab:
Thank you.

That's what I figured.

Sadly that means I won't get this phone.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
Bump. Hoping someone can find a straight answer have been on the phone twice with HTC, even they can't provide a straight answer. I ever addressed them on twitter. No luck. Thanks in advance.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
Bump! :)
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
Bump :)
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] efrant:
It's pretty difficult to find out info on band support, and I have no idea why. It should be readily available...

Anyway, have a look at this: http://wireless.fcc.gov/hac_documents/150813/9135276_21.PDF

Based on that, there are four models sold in the U.S., which are:

0PJA100 (which appears to be the AT&T version)

0PJA120 (which appears to be the TMO USA version)

0PJA200 (which appears to be the Sprint version)

0PJA300 (which appears to be the Verizon version)

The AT&T model supports the following: UMTS 850MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz.

Now, that said, if you look on AT&T's site, they list their model as 0PJA110, so obviously either the FCC site is wrong or the AT&T site is wrong.

I happen to have the 0PJA110 model, which is also the Rogers model (so it would make sense that the AT&T version is 0PJA110 because Rogers and AT&T generally have the same devices, and their networks are generally the same frequencies). Based on HTC Canada's site, the Rogers model supports UMTS 850MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz.

Now, for the assumption: From what I have read (but I haven't personally confirmed), the unlocked and developer models are the same as the AT&T model. If that is indeed the case, then you have your answer: No UMTS 900MHz support the unlocked and/or developer models (in fact, not UMTS support on any U.S. model).
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
I know this is a delayed followup, but I wanted to say thanks for this. I finally got HTC to confirm that UMTS 850MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz are the official specs for the US unlocked edition(which, oddly, is marked 0PJA110 on the back).

I am pushing them for a refund for false advertising. I was so concerned that these specs could be wrong before I purchased the phone, that I did a chat with HTC and they assured me the correct specs were UMTS 850MHz, 900MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz. Once they confirmed these specs for me, I purchased the phone. Now they confirm they told me wrong. Very frustrating experience.

I am waiting to hear back about getting a refund. I am hoping the come through, this is crazy.
[Honor 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frk22:
Do you think it would be interesting to have a full CAMERA2 support and make it know to HUAWEI-HONOR ?
[Honor 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sminki:
ignore, no longer in "Honor 7 Original Android Development"
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrisTiJaN:
Hello guys. I bought my Galaxy note 4 2 weeks ago.Everything ran smooth..20+ hours per day of usage my mobile data on. Today i went to work..100% battery,mobile data on..after 3 hours it was at 96%..without any usage..and then i didn't checked it for a few hours..about 6 hours..and when i checked it..it was at 24%,with no usage at all. At battery usage it said that: Android OS consumed 27%..and Google Services 23% and my battery drained very fast to 9%..in just an hour. What is wrong with it ? What should i do ?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kjinxx2:
Hi there!

Not sure if anybody has had this issue, or if this is new (hopefully not, and hopefully there is a known fix).

Everything is stock, no root. Device was around 90% charge and powered off completely. Tried to turn it on, nothing. Plugged into charger - nothing. Tried to access bootloader (power + down volume) - nothing!

Any idea if there is a way to recover at this point? Google is already overnighting a replacement device, but I'd like to retrieve some data.

Thanks!