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[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ekrainey:
Did you deleted the su\Xbin-bind file? I deleted mine so android pay works and now my chase app asks for root also. Using 2.62-3
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daihard:
That's got to be it. I have my /su/xbin_bind removed for the same reason, and the Chase app asked for root access.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alryder:
I have not deleted that file. I'm not really interested in Android Pay working but if I get time tomorrow after work I'll try renaming that file and see if I get prompted for root access when launching the Chase app.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RootTheMachine:
I turned on logging in SuperSu, and all it shows was a bunch of ls commands looking for the su binary. It just seems to be checking if you are rooted and doesn't do anything else.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daihard:
Instead of using the find command? That's lame... Anyway, I consider it a bad sign that a financial app tries to find whether or not a device is rooted. It must be done to take something away from the user.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hirak99:
It asked me too. I'd not worry about it. It seems a (little bit amusing) attempt to detect root :)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeprius:
Did anyone ever find out what this was for ? My chase app on cataclysm also asked for SuperSU when I first opened it up. I LOL'd. I've tried both allowing and denying access. Does not seem to make a difference
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
At this point (as no one has seen adverse effects) I would say it is one of two things.

1. Them testing out ways to detect root.

2. A marketing tool to see how many users are using a rooted device.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alryder:
I finally had a little bit of time to mess around with this and I still can't seem to get the Chase app to prompt for root no matter what I do or get Android Pay to work. I'm now running systemless root version 2.67 and I went to delete the su\Xbin-bind file to see if that was the cause and I don't even see that file. I do have a su\Xbin-bind folder, is that what you deleted?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daihard:
Yes, /su/xbin_bind is a directory. You need to remove it in order to get Android Pay to work.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
Do you seriously think that a logcat will tell you what its doing? Logcat only contains the details that the software developer EXPLICITLY writes out to the log using the Log class.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MichaelMcC:
Probably just asking for root to see if it gets it. If it does it just flips a bit and alerts the bank you're on a rooted device. If you're ever compromised the bank can throw it in your face.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
More trustworthy than anything running mswindows.

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You bring up an interesting subject. Basically, you are trusting security sensitive information to an untrusted (we aren't necessarily talking about you, we are talking about security experts) 3rd party binary, which could (in theory) be doing **anything**, literally.

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No, they *definitely* have *no* legitimate reason for requesting root.

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3. A tool to detect what portion of their customers are dumb enough to grant root access to "whatever asks for it". Could it be possible that this is a TEST to see if you are smart enough to HAVE root, but not be a [significant] extra security risk?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
It could be but then the people that are smart enough to have root and know what to do with it is very small. The average person has no real need for root.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scryan:
Yup. And I am not really one of those "OMG How can you run ANYTHING in windows?! Its a security risk!"

Bur really, your computer is more likely to be infect at this point, there isn't nearly as much stuff running wild on android, and android grants fairly limited permissions that in general you control.

I actually feel a little safer doing my banking on my phone then I do on my computer.

No. No I don't. And you can **** RIGHT OFF WITH THIS ****. Jesus dude shut the **** up finally. We get it, you don't trust supersu. Do you have to try and drag it into every ****ing thread? All I see you do is run around in a tin foil hat making a huge deal about the software running on almost every single ****ing rooted phone, that has never ever caused a problem.

And I do, sincerely appreciate the work you are doing to bring an open source alternative. And I wish you success and hope it takes off because its a better idea...

But SHUT THE **** UP. Holy **** I hope you never use an ATM card at a terminal you haven't been able to audit the software on, or send any documents via mail, or...or...or...

Android headlines rates the percentage of rooted users to be over 27%

A poll on android police about root useage had 8,996 rooted users...

Almost every single one of these people are using this "dangerous" software, and not a single one has had an issue with it.

What it could be "in theory" with it at some point doesn't ****ing matter.

Especially when "in theory" The aliens that "in theory" could exists could vaporize you TOMORROW with their theoretical lazer beams.

"In theory" the dollar bill could fail next year, and it wouldn't matter if you sensitive info was safe guarded or not.

"In theory" Jesus could come back.

Lets wait till you have some evidence to your ****ing theories, especially when there is practical hands on testing done DAILY by tens of thousands of people, if not more. That trumps your little theories.

You start your thread off with a warning, telling people its not the place for them to come back up chainfire. Please apply the reverse and leave your **** out of other threads it does not belong in. Show the board the same respect it has shown you. You have already had to be warned by mods to cut it out.

If for no other reason, it makes you look so much less legitimate. Offer a good alternative and leave it at that. Your little tirade about how dangerous something is because you can't read the source only decreases your credibility.

Just stop.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonikJDK:
I am in IT Security and I know many of those people. People that have written the book on hacking andriod. The people that are in charge of Metesploit. My son is the author of SET. One is the lead vulnerability tester for Sammy.

I not as smart as them, but I am smart enough to listen to them.

Their opinion is universal, there is nothing inherently dangerous in any of the root methods, other than what you would expect. Phone owners doing silly things with that power. No different than a Windows user with local admin rights.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simba4:
Nice!

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[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Calnyx:
Just wanted to say I have only this week gotten the root check on the chase app. I've been rooted on this device for nearly a year. I currently have systemless root and what I think set it off was changing the permissions of /su/bin to 751, the fix for android pay not working. It's possible that it has tried to silently detect root prior, and now with this new change actually requests it [or does so as a last resort] to try and see if the device is rooted. Denying of course thwarts that effort.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
That is a crazy point of view.

1) A phone is a computer no different than your laptop or desktop computer.

2) A phone is potentially MORE secure, since you now have various forms of security in place *by default*, which are not present on a laptop or desktop computer, such as password and encryption.

3) On a laptop or desktop computer, you are accessing your bank through a web browser, which is fundamentally untrustworthy, due to unknown vulnerabilities due to untrustworthy extensions that could be attached, such as ADOBE FLASH.

3) On the phone, the access is through the application published BY YOUR BANK, which is not subject to any plugins, and operates in its own user space, with multiple layers of protection against other software installed on the system.

The protected and signed bank application is FAR more secure than using an untrustworthy web browser on a desktop computer. On top of that, the fact that it is published and signed BY YOUR BANK, places the responsibility to protect against intrusions **ON THEM**. If that application is compromised, THE BANK is liable for it. In contrast, if that untrustworthy web browser on your laptop/desktop is compromised, YOU are out of luck.

If you persist in your unfounded claims that the phone application is fundamentally untrustworthy, then you had better NOT be accessing your banking online AT ALL, since the phone application is the LEAST UNTRUSTWORTHY option FOR online banking. In other words, you should perform ALL of your banking transactions in person with a TELLER.

FYI: The phone application is more secure than the ATM in the front of your bank, which could have been monkeyed with by compromised maintenance personnel, and is most likely running windows xp.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] motokochan:
All of which can be compromised by a root-level attack.

All of which are gone with root-level access. It can bypass isolated spaces.

Which is why they're trying to detect and refuse to operate if root access is detected. They can't guarantee that there isn't a compromise of their protected space in such a case.

The fact of the matter is that people treat their phones as something different from the computer. They have more inherent trust in the device. Many people that have played with rooting their device (outside those on XDA) probably don't fully grasp how much access it gives and how much it breaks the established security model. I do not blame Chase for configuring their application to refuse to run on a known-dangerous configuration of a device that isn't given as much scrutiny as a traditional computer.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
You know what they say about opinions.......
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
User having access to root is not the same as china having access to root, which is why we need to operate on a SECURE operating system and not mswindows.

User having access to root is not the same as china having access to root, which is why we need to operate on a SECURE operating system and not mswindows.

User having access to root is not the same as china having access to root, which is why we need to operate on a SECURE operating system and not mswindows.

Utter nonsense.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jbcvlove:
If rooted you can't use the forgot password link. So yes this is a security check.

Thanks
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prachetas13:
SBI card app

Well my SBI card app also ask for root permissions. And I have seen people complaining about unauthorized transactions on their cards.I have written about it on google playstore. Could not get around my mind as to why these banking apps require root permissions, while all other apps block rooted devices.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JPREMEEE:
Deny it what reason would a banking app need a root permissions? To protect itself if you're running root you already know how to protect yourself.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prachetas13:
SBI card app

Yeah I denied it uninstalled the app.But we saw recently on one plus website there was a script running on its server which stole credit card information, now it is scary to even have a credit card and do a transaction on official websites.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Didgeridoohan:
Not any scarier than it has been before... Normal advice about being careful still applies.

About the app asking for root. That's the way some apps detect if your device is rooted or not, doesn't matter if you grant it or deny it.
[One (M9) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] landkreuzer:
Is there any way to fix the audio distorsion caused by cm? ( i understand that it's because of the lack of boomsound optimization, being close source ) In CM12.1 i could get around it with viper4android and other audio mods, but it never touched that same level of quality.
[Android One (First-Generation) Cross-Device Genera] WeBMaZTaH:
Disclaimer: I did not capture the link. I merely got this from a Facebook Group called "Google Android One (1st-Gen) Philippines [Cherry Mobile One & MyPhone Uno]". This link I think should be credited to Mr. James Andrew Atadero Lazaro. Thanks man! :D

Cherry Mobile One (Philippines)
[Android One (First-Generation) Cross-Device Genera] cheeze.keyk:
anyone can make a flashable zip? or its already flashable through TWRP?
[Android One (First-Generation) Cross-Device Genera] WeBMaZTaH:
It's flashable. I tried using stock recovery and it worked! :D
[Android One (First-Generation) Cross-Device Genera] pato2015:
Im noob but how do you flash to recovery to install this? Does it fix battery drain? Tnx
[Android One (First-Generation) Cross-Device Genera] WeBMaZTaH:
how to go to stock recovery

turn off phone

hold power button + volume up

select reboot to recovery by clicking volume down

on no command screen, long press powerbutton then press volume up

Got this from a facebook group. :D
[Android One (First-Generation) Cross-Device Genera] ronthego:
Please Help me.

Cherry mobile one on boot loop.

This is what happended.

I was playing pvz2, needed to sleep so i left the phone ON while the app is running. The next day the phone was turned off, no more battery left so I charge it for a while then turned it on. It is now on bootloop.

The phone is stock android. No root. No custom rom. Updated to latest version of marshmallow. Please someone help me. I tried factory rest. Data wipe and cache but it still on boot loop.

Thanks
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
[Warning: I'm relatively new to Android. I've used it for about a year, and I have a decent understanding on how it works. I've rooted and used Safestrap before and know the basics on almost everything, but not much more.]

I'm planning on purchasing a license for Sunshine, and unlocking my bootloader for my new Turbo. I was planning on using it to install a custom rom, like CyanogenMod, since that's the only rom I've used before, and possibly trying some new ones. However, I realized that I would lose all the Motorola features, like Moto Voice, Moto Actions, Moto Display, and so on. I love these features and use them all the time, so I don't want to give them up. Is there some kind of way to keep them with a different rom?

I was thinking that maybe there was a custom rom that has these features, or maybe there's some way to install them onto a regular custom rom.

Any ideas?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
If you're planning on going to anything based on cyanogenmod, no. Someone would need to port these apps to the new rom, and no one has done that yet. However, some of the features can be replicated using other apps. For example, Moto Display is almost identical to the native android feature Ambient Display. You can use Ok Google voice commands for most Moto Voice applications.

An alternative would be to download a modified stock firmware (such as the one maintained by Computerfreek), or modify one yourself. This way, you can keep the Moto apps. Modifying your own firmware is very easy using TWRP (which you will install after unlocking your bootloader). Usually it's as simple as finding a flashable .zip file that contains the feature(s) you want to add and flashing it via TWRP.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
Hmmm... How would I go about creating the flashable .zip like you said. Remember, I'm still a relative noob.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
You don't need to. Just download the ones that you want. For example:

1. Upgrade to the latest official firmware (SU4TL-44) and unlock your bootloader with Sunshine.

2. Want root access? Use TWRP to flash SuperSU. Download that flashable zip here: https://download.chainfire.eu/696/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v2.46.zip

3. Want to use the Xposed framework to easily modify your device in a ton of different ways? Use TWRP to flash it. Get it here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3034811 (you need SDK22 arm)

4. Want to add audio optimizations? Flash PON-3. Get it here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2530976. Flash it, same as the others.

The installation for all of these is the same. Once your bootloader is unlocked and TWRP is installed, boot into TWRP, select "install", select the .zip file that you want to install, and flash it. Done.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
I've used Xposed before on my old Safestrap device. I thought about using Xposed on the stock rom, but I was hoping there was another option, since custom roms offer much more than Xposed modules do. Thanks for the links, I think I'll go with what you said. One question though, so there's no way to flash or install the Moto suite onto a custom rom (with or without TWRP)?

And one more thing, is it possible to use the IR sensors in the Turbo to wake up the Ambient display? (Like when you wave your hand over it and it shows the Moto Display.)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Cobra04:
Settings -> Gestures & turn on Wave under Ambient Display
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
I'm not sure if I'm just an idiot, but where is Gestures?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Cobra04:
Should be in the Settings app under Device
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
It's not there for me. I'm not sure if you think I'm running any modifications. I'm using pure stock.

Edit: I can't post images until I exceed 10 posts..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Cobra04:
What ROM are you on?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
100% pure stock rom that ships with the Turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
There is no way that I know of to get Moto et al working on a different rom. Like I said, the apps would have to be ported. I'm not very knowledgeable about what that entails, but I do know that the Moto apps need more than just their respective apks to function properly. They require extra libraries, drivers, etc. to work, most of which are probably kernel-related (you can't use the stock kernel on a non-Motorola rom). So someone porting those apps would have to either integrate these supplementary files into CM or AOSP or whatever, or rewrite the apps so that they rely on existing google code.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
Dang it, that's unfortunate. Guess Xposed, and custom kernals and images will have to suffice. Thanks for the help!

Any recommendations for making the stock rom seem more custom?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Xposed, particularly gravitybox. I'm not really sure what you meant when you said that custom roms offer so much more than xposed does. I used custom roms for a long time on my Galaxy S4, and except for AOSP vs TouchWiz or installing a more recent version of android, I can't think of a single thing that a custom rom can do that an xposed module can't.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
For me, custom roms don't exactly offer much more than modules do, but the experience of using a custom rom is much greater. Since everything is made by the same developers, it flows well with each other. Instead of having to rely on multiple modules that have to be updated, you can just install what is essentially a new OS, and get an entirely new flavour of Android.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] ChazzMatt:
But there are many functions and apps that do exactly the same thing.

Ambient Display = Moto Display

OK Google = Moto Voice

plus tons of apps to read notifications, texts, emails.

Etc.

I dumped my Motorola stuff months ago and have everything I need.

It's not that big a deal.

Open source is almost always better than proprietary stuff anyway.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Agreed. If you're willing to learn and set up some things, I bet you could get 100% moto functionality without a single moto app. Does anyone know of an app that will give me the chop-chop flashlight? Because when I eventually make the move to CM (assuming we ever get CM13), that will be the feature I miss most. And I'm being completely serious about that.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
I find Moto Display to be much cleaner than Ambient Display.

Moto Voice was nice because of the custom launch phrase, and the system commands you could do.

Moto Actions comes in handy almost every day, especially the Dual Chop and Camera wrist twist.

If I could find I way to replace all or most of this then I would be content.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Download Commandr from the play store. I think that allows you to customize your OK Google phrase. It also allows you to add or customize OK Google commands.

But yeah, I use the actions a lot too, and I don't know of an app that will replace them.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Cobra04:
The problem I have with Ambient Display is that it doesn't work when I toggle my lockscreen off. MotoDisplay still showed me notifications. With ambient display and lockscreen off, I have no way to visually know my notifications.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
Sweet I'll keep that app in mind.

It shouldn't be very hard to import the actions would it? Because the sensors in the Turbo still exist so the only limitations is the software, so someone could just implement it some how right? Or am I missing something?

Also, I'm concerned with the battery life with other custom roms. I already get relatively awful battery life in stock, so a custom rom would probably make it even worse.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] TheSt33v:
Looks like CF is working on porting them to this rom: http://xdaforums.com/droid-turbo/development/computerfreek274-mokee-rom-1-0-12-7-2015-t3266114.

Your battery life is probably more dependent on the apps you have installed and less on the rom you are using. Apps like greenify and amplify can be used to gain better control over battery-draining apps and wakelocks. Since custom roms need custom kernels, most of which are compatible with kernel tweaking apps, you could use an app like kernel audiutor to tweak the performance (and therefore battery life) of your device even more.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Latiken:
That rom looks pretty sweet.

I've tried Greenify before, but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference if any at all. I might just not be using it right. A custom kernal seems like a better solution though.