yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Durex:
Kozhura, you should check out this site

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700Hardware

At the bottom of that page it gives the JTAG connector pin out (16-pins) and says "Internal card edge connector covered by black foam."

I really hope you're able to resolve the matter (My hx4700 is unable to be programmed also --- all attempts to program the ROM have failed, and it no longer boots).

Best,

Bryce
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] FrankKF:
Application Installation on Kozhura's WM6 Rel-4

Have been running WM6-4 since its release on my hx4705 ... everything works very well, including all my BT devices and WiFi. However, I misplaced my SD card with all my apps on it .. so now I am reinstalling on a new SD card.

Most apps install OK via the EXE file from my Notebook ... but none install from the CAB files copied to the SD card. I haven't installed anything since WM5 .. where either EXE or CAB methods worked, so I don't know if this new symptom is an issue or normal.

Any ideas and suggestions?

Frank K-F

UPDATE: Googled problem and found an SPB util "UnlockSecurity" -- installed it. This, however, did not enable installing from CAB files directly. Next I tried to install from CAB file via "CabInstl" utility that I have used all along to install apps to a destination of my choice. Now, however, when I opened this util I pointed to the CAB file -- then to the destination folder -- then install --- and BINGO the apps installed correctly. Tried this procedure with 5 or 6 apps and it worked just fine.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] antonsantoz:
Need detail step by step WM6 (0.7.0) upgrading guidance

Dear Kozhura,

I already using your previous WM6 (0.3.2) on my hx4700...and now want to try to upgrade with your new version of WM6 (0.7.0).

Still have difficulty for upgrading my unit via USB Docking...also have tried by installing in my SD Card...seems that have no response at all (always stuck in Bootloader screen for hours with no progress...)

Need some urgent step by step guidance in full detail.

Thank you for your kindly attention and efforts.

Regards,

Anton
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] therio:
Please use the search button on this site, there are so many step by step guides for what you are asking.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] WODP:
2 pages ago i wrote about touch pad going crazy. I have found a solution.

First i used Resco Explorer with registry editor and edited in:

Local_machine --> Drivers --> BuiltIn --> NavPoint

CursorSpeed 0

Index 0

Monitoring 0

OperationMode 0

ScrollRate 0

Exit program and soft reset.

After that i installed Tweak2k2 program and "Disable touch pad on 4700".

Again restarted and now it's not crazy touch pad anymore (but useless).

I have tried both operations earlier, but they weren't successful. Now when i did both of them in that order i wrote... it's ok now :)

I hope i helped someone. It was really anoying and i also tried fisically removing touch pad (ipaq didn't load properly).

Kozhura, nice to see you again.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tapdov:
What about all the add-on drivers floating around the net?

Do any work with this rom or khozura's wm5?

BTW is there any solution for pppoe on ppc at all?My router's pppoe doesnt connect and I dont want to buy a new one.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dpdurst:
I actually love Vista, I have turned off the UAC and the admin prompt I set for silence so I never get notified. 2 gigs of ram and an AMD 4400 x2 and SP 1l oaded and it runs like a dream just as fast as XP and stable. However flashing anything so far on my 4700 has been a pain. I have not tried since I have put SP1 on to see if there is any difference I just use my XP Laptop to flash now and don't worry about it.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
No, none of them work on the 4700.:( Our best hope still lies with Kozhura.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ZinFab:
BT

Has anyone connected their phone to their Ipaq using BT? And has anyone used the ipaq as a hands free? Is it possible?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vipinholland:
thanks for your reply.

My tomtom works now fine.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] boomam:
All sorted!

I cant get it to connect to my WiFi at home, but i think thats just WM in general playing silly. :p.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
I've pretty much said why I (and others I have discussed it with), aren't all jumping on the Vista bandwagon, but you raise an interesting point.

MS and hardware manufacturers don't make money from us merrily sitting using the same computer and software, they want us to upgrade both so promote a cycle of bigger & faster PC to use bigger and more complex software which in turn needs an even bigger PC; this is backed up with how a PC running Vista needs more memory and a faster processor to run 'just as fast as XP'.

Turning full circle to come back on topic, this site and others like it and the ROMs within are the bane of MS and the manufacturers' lives. They don't want you downloading a better version of the operating system that gives new life to your old hardware, that is why HP didn't make WM6 for the hx4700, they want you to have, to need, the latest hardware.

I'm not saying Vista or the latest smartphone user is wrong, each to their own, but personally I try to go for features over marketing (iPod anyone? :))

The husband of an iPhone owner made a very interesting point to me, the iPhone is technically fantastic, but he does chuckle when the battery goes flat as his wife has lost everything it can be used for, including her mobile; I've not seen that mentioned in the wizzy marketing.

Now, does anyone want my soap box? :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Honeybadger:
Backup and WPA2?

My PDA has stopped syncing with my computer, it keeps giving the error:"Syncronization cannot be completed".

I have tried uninstalling, reinstalling Activesync and the whole lot.

I am up to doing a hard reboot on my PDA but would like to backup my data first.

I can't find a backup utility on my PDA, is one hidden somewhere or do I have to buy one?

Also any plans for WPA2 in WiFi on the WM6?

Thanks,
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] user212:
it will run on hx2490? or if not can somebody give to me link with working rom wm6 for hp hx 2490 PLS
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dirlan2001:
Try this file ...

Dirk
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
Nope it won't. ROM's are pretty device specific.

You can try here; it's a ROM for the 2xxx series iPAQ.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] rab87:
hi to all and thank you for you hard work, great job!

i've a question, why when i try to install the wpa patch it says me "installation of sdkcerts.cab was unsuccessful?" what i'm doing wrong?

thank you all :D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] boomam:
Quick question, is that refering to the ROM or the RAM size?

Im trying to work out what 'version' of the 4700 i have.:).
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] enigma460:
I've been using ver 4 now for some time and generally had no problems with what I use it for.

I did try to install Voice2Go; which is supposed to work with WM6, but it wouldn't start up. Always came back with skins not found.

Has anyone tried this program??
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] coruscate:
Those pins by the battery

Sorry for this being slightly off topic, I was just wondering if anyone in all their rom noodling efforts happened to now about using those connector pins for expansion packs (that don't seem to ever been made) next to the battery pins on the top part of the battery bay. Any leads about these pins and if they also exist on the 210, or if you know of any peripherals that make use of them.

Thanks for your thoughts.

coruscate
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] huysmki:
TCPMP

I flashed my HX4700 a while ago and I am very pleased with the result. However I have a problem with TCPMP. When I play a movie, the touch screen doesn't respond anymore after a while. Only the touchpad can be used then. After a soft reset the touchscreen is working again. Anyone with the same problem?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] BTender315:
Kozhura, you are the man!!!!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] rab87:
4 me with the last version of TCPMP it's all right...

but someone has installed the WPA patch?? what i'm doing wrong to make the installation unsuccesfull? i need to overwrite the .dll in windows folder with the one of the archive or what else?

[sorry my bad english.... ^_^]

thx 4 your help :D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] VulcanTourist:
Write a letter to HP's dev relations, pass yourself off as a small VAR who wants to make an add-on device for some vertical market (inventory control, I dunno), and needs the specs and pin-outs for the interface. Write back to us and share what you get in reply. :p

Me, I couldn't even get the bastards to tell me whether the USB charging inputs would accept 6VDC rather than the typical 5VDC, or whether that would stress the charging circuit. :mad:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] VulcanTourist:
Works pretty well with Skype.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ipaquser07:
Touch Pad crazies

Thanks WODP,

I have disabled the touch pad, works great - Thanks

Chris
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kozhura:
Well

My handheld was given to the service centre and they told,that device would be recovered about 10-12 days:)

Wait for new release:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Kozhura, your dedication to this effort is truly incredible. Tremendous thanks to you for all you have done and continue to do.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dirlan2001:
On my box it says 64 MB RAM (55 MB user available) and 128 MB ROM (80 MB user available) .....
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] VulcanTourist:
Crossing my fingers for SDHC support... there's a 16GB SDHC available now for about $65.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dirlan2001:
Forget it.... SDHC and SD are NOT compatible. Check out here : http://www.sdcard.org/

WM6 brings drivers for it, yes, but the hardware of our hx4700 is NOT compatible with the SDHC-standard.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ankhazam:
Hello there, i know that the release 4 is great but is there a chance that we can expect any newer builds of WM6 for our hx4700s? I've read that the new aku's provide support for the WPA2-AES...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dirlan2001:
Guess you'll have to wait a bit untill Master Kozhura's device is repaired....
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] VulcanTourist:
Sorry, Dirk, you're either delusional and wrong or more observant than I am. Since all you provided was a link to a primary domain Web page, I browsed for a while but found NOTHING to support your statement. If you expect me to accept your claim, you'll have to offer me - all of us - something more definitive than your proclamation and a useless link to the SD org's home page.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] coruscate:
16 pins and what your get, no developer support and deeper in debt.

Yeah, I like that idea. I'll give it a go. I've been trying to see if any vertical market devices were ever made (medical, inventory, etc.) with no luck.

There is of course some intriguing dlls connected to it like a usb host and smartslot, with video connections to the ATI chip noted for a few of the pins.

Regarding 6v vs 5 v on the USB, I wouldn't do it, take the time to throttle it down, and if you were thinking of battery packs, just use AA or AAA NiMH they don't go to 1.5 like alkaline, being closer to 1.25v each.

You must know about this page already but if you don't you may find it useful: http://pinouts.ru/PDA/ipaq_22p_pinout.shtml.

So, I'll twiddle my thumbs a little and do some case mod scheming for my device while I wait for Kozhura to get his device back and we can stop speculating on SDHC cards and testy replies to "helpful" minded folks.

Coruscate
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
Well, here's a more specific link, and I quote from that page:

So, unless the hx4700 is a SDHC host, it only supports SD.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dirlan2001:
I don't know what browser you use, but I got this page with 1 (one) click from the original link I provided.

http://www.sdcard.org/about/sdhc/

FYI : on the left side of the page is a column showing several links.... if you click on 'About SDHC' you should get the same page as is linked above.... And right in the middle of your screen you'll see a compatibility-raster. If you don't see it, go get some STRONG glasses.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dirlan2001:
Sorry to spoil it, but the hx4700 is NOT a SDHC-host. It was out of production even before SDHC was launched.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tedpoe:
Correct. I tested a SanDisk Ultra II 4GB SDHC in my 4700 (release 3) and it did not acknowledge it being present. Makes me sad. I'll just hope for larger CF cards, instead.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] albertorrent:
normal sd card more than 2GB work well with our device.

I use a 4GB ( 3816.25 Mo for real) sd card with no problem on mine ;-)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] coruscate:
Memory max on the 4700

I'd like to summarize what you can do to your machines memory with what is on the shelf for those hoping for sdhc who may end up being dissappointed.

SDIO slot: 4 GB sd card, not sdhc, ~$20-$60 at NewEgg for a Transcend Branded Card (mileage may vary here, mostly 2GB cards are the only sure thing from all brands, but the Transcend non SDHC 4gb cards apparently work with the hx47xx series)

CFIO slot: 32 GB CF card (64 GB later this spring :eek:) ~$140 at NewEgg for an A-DATA branded card

Internal RAM upgrade: Change onboard 64 MB ram to 128 MB ram. Pocket PC Techs will swap the Ball Grid Array RAM for ~$170.

So, unless the SDIO port just happens to be compatible with the SDHC media using software or firmware adaptations, you are limited to 4GB of extended memory if you use your CF port for a tool (barcode, gps, USB host, etc.).

If you use your SDIO and CFIO port for memory, today on January 19th, 2008 you are limited to the combined CF & SD card sizes of 36 GB of memory, costing as low as $160 for both.

If you got SDHC working on your hx4705, those cards are readily available up to 16 GB. 32 GB are announced as in production, with 64 GB coming out about the same time you are working on the ROM kitchen for Windows Mobile 2008 on you old IPAQ 210 ;). If the SDHC is enabled on the hx4705 today, you would max out at 48 GB rather than 36 GB (or 80 GB for SDHC vs. 68 GB SD later this spring)

I find the compact flash memory option to be the more economical path of least resistance even if SDHC is working, because rarely do I use a CF gps or barcode reader when I want my mp3's to listen to, and bluetooth tools have made that a non issue for me.

So with that summary, I have a question folks:

Is there such a thing as a compact flash port splitter cable? I've seen extender cables and such, but anything like a y cable where you can have your memory and say... a CF GPS in use at the same time? Does CFIO support this?​

Right now as an alternative I'm checking if the CF usb host can be attached to a hub to have a USB keyboard, mouse and multiple usb flash card readers. Yeah, I know you see this frankenstein of an idea in your mind and it gives you the shivers just imagining such a kluge, but entertain the possibility instead of the immediate "WTF would you do that for" gag reflex. :)

As a side note, I really want access to the usb host on the ATI 3220 chip through the Smart Port tabs in the battery compartment and the atiusbh.dll to connect it to a hard drive, rather than through the CFIO, but this is too poorly documented.

coruscate
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tapdov:
SDHC

As I understood from reading a few early forum posts about SDHC,its just a firmware issue.Something about "byte-addressing" vs. "cluster-addressing" I think?:confused:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] gwolford:
Great article on SD cards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card

hx470x specifications indicate full SDIO compliance and probably doesn't support 50Mhz clock of the SD specification.

Regarding SDHC and the SD specification 2.0:

How about a 2 Terabyte SD card? ... How many movies would it hold?

The driver would have to detect the card addressing format and support both sector (SDHC) and byte addressing (SD).
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jwy2k2:
Thank you Coruscate for the summary. I found that helpful. And you wrote:

"As a side note, I really want access to the usb host on the ATI 3220 chip through the Smart Port tabs in the battery compartment and the atiusbh.dll to connect it to a hard drive, rather than through the CFIO, but this is too poorly documented."

Sounds very interesting. I've been doing searches everywhere to try and find out more. Now that my device is older, I'd be more willing to "tear" the thing apart to try and expand it's abilities...but...you first. :)

Please tell us if you find out more.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Hx4700_ITA:
Replacing wm6 with page pool resized

Hello, i am trying to put wm6 with page pool resized in my hx4700.

I have already wm6 in my device, and I'd like to upgrate with bigger page pool.

MY PROBLEMS:

1) i tryed to make sd-installer but no file transfered to my sd card...the program freeze for a while and after that, closed.

2) i tryed to upgrade with cradle, but when i write the command for the rom in MTTY11a, nothing happen (USB> alwayse appears)

Important things is that i make it first time to upgrade my 2003se device to wm6!!!!!!!!!

when i put my device in test mode, i can find 1.01 in the middle. when i start my device normally, i can see red number reporting 2.01

is important for my job?

please help me if someone can.

really thanks anyway. I remember that i want to resize page pool to became faster in tom tom navigations.

thanks to all,
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Huck33:
that's a great news for you... and for us too:D

:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hedpe:
Does Windows Mobile 6 .0.7.0 Release 4 ENG require that the device have Windows Mobile 6 on it? I have Windows Mobile 2003 SE installed.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Pilsor:
new battery ... also battery drain

Battery arrived 2 days ago.

Tried several programs to install.

This morning again "out of juice" , batterydrain.

So, it's not the battery herself but the installed programs ... I guess some are not compatible with the combination HX4700-WM6 , so I removed WeatherPanel (it's a Today plug in ) & Messenger Live.

Not sure if this will help ... wait and see the next days.

What I can assure: with my old battery installed PocketBreeze+SPB Pocket Plus+Opera+Resco Explorer this combination works fine, no battery drain.

I guess programs like WeatherPanel & Messenger Live will try to make some connections to update ... :confused:

Any other suggestions?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] alan sh:
No - you can install over the top.

Alan
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] danshane:
WeatherPanel battery use...

I also use WeatherPanel, and I experience moderate battery drain when the program is set to auto update. You can disable this feature in the program on the Connection tab of the WeatherPanel Options, or you can set the update interval to longer values. I have mine set to 1 hour and the 4700 will drain slowly enough that I can usually run a few days between charges.

WeatherPanel has not been supported for many months, certainly not since WM5 and WM6 became available, so we may need to look for newer weather plugins.

==

Dan
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] okamiren:
hx4700 totally frozen

Hi everybody. Hope some of you can help me with this, and sorry if I'm not in the right thread.

Untill today i've been using an hx4700 running Kozhura's WM 6.0.7.0 release 4 ENG, and it's been great (thank's again, Mr. Kozhura :)). I did get a freeze every once in a while, but a simple reset fixed it allways, and everything was working (WiFi, BT, IrDA, SDcard, CompactFlash, ...)

Problem: I simply took it off the craddle this morning (and it was not even synchronizing at that moment) , and it hung up.

- tryed Reset/clean reset/hard reset, but it never started again :confused:

- tryed removing battery: no change :(

- tryed removing internal battery as well: no change :mad:

I get either the White'n blue HP screen and then stop (all buttons functional except Power), or sometimes it won't event lit up. Only way to turn it on, as far as the HP screen, is to put it back to the craddle

I re-flashed ROM (2 times, with many tests'n reset in between), which it still accepts, put it does not change a thing. At flashing (with mtty11a), at the end I get a "start point unknown" message, though the whole process is reported ok.

Anyone out there with an idea other than RIP it would be very helpfull.

Cheers
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Hx4700_ITA:
....upgrade again wm6 kozura with wm6+page pool resized....

Hello, i am trying to put wm6 with page pool resized in my hx4700.

I have already wm6 in my device, and I'd like to upgrate with bigger page pool.

MY PROBLEMS:

1) i tryed to make sd-installer but no file transfered to my sd card...the program freeze for a while and after that, closed.

2) i tryed to upgrade with cradle, but when i write the command for the rom in MTTY11a, nothing happen (USB> alwayse appears)

Important things is that i make it first time to upgrade my 2003se device to wm6!!!!!!!!!

when i put my device in test mode, i can find 1.01 in the middle. when i start my device normally, i can see red number reporting 2.01

is important for my job?

please help me if someone can.

really thanks anyway. I remember that i want to resize page pool to became faster in tom tom navigations.

----> Can someone tell me if i can put manually files in the sd memory to upgrade without cradle?

When i put it in test mode, SERIAL appair on display, when i put it in craddle, USB appairs.....i take it off and SERIAL come again. But when i click power button, nothing happen....it doesn't read in SD memory to check upgrade! (i tryed with empty sd)

help?

thanks to all,
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hedpe:
Hi all, I can't get this to work.

I have an hx4700, and I've tried cradle and SD card with no luck.

I write to the SD card and see the appropriate output:

C:\Documents and Settings\George\Desktop\WM6_4700_RELEASE4>ntrw.exe write OS.raw
E:
NTRW v2.00
Removeable media
Cylinders: 0:124
TracksPerCylinder: 255
SectorsPerTrack: 63
BytesPerSector: 512
bufsize is 65536
41681408 bytes written

I put my SD card in the device, then on my ipaq I hit contacts+itask+reset button, and it goes in to the HP bootloader screen, it shows me that little progress bar, once it fills up it goes back to the Windows Mobile 2003 setup screen.

I try with the mtty11a application also, whenver I select the USB all I see at the screen is:

CLIENTCLIENTCLIENT

So I type in lnb OS_WM6.nb0, and even though I can't see it I hit enter. I wait, nothing happens.

I'm assuming the little button underneath the hx4700 is the reset button.

any ideas?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hedpe:
nevermind, i thought contacts was the lower left button, its the top left button.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hedpe:
is this normal:

USB>lnb OS_WM6.nb0
:F=OS_WM6.nb0
:A=80000000
:O=00040000
:L=FFFFFFFF

start NB image download
SH
Load ADDR: 80040000 Length: 27C0000

Programming flash blocks by serial port...

Flash ID = 89,8816
INTEL StrataFlash 256 Mbit Wireless MEMORY (L30/L18 Bottom type) found
Number of chip = 2, bus = 32
***************************************
****************************************
****************************************
****************************************
****************************************
****************************************
****************************************
***************************************

Done

Code entry point unknown

Whenever I reset, nothing happens, it just hangs. I've tried the SD card method but it doesn't seem to detect my SD card.