yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] turrumbi:
hi and thanx

fix 3 has been running fast since i installed it, however the alarm fails to come on and i end up sleeping too long! also it does the slow down thing sometimes. are there any tweaks that i need to do, like the nav point or are there any progs that conflict with it? i have spb pocket plus 3.x running. is there still an issue with pp ver 4?

thanx again, its a great improvment

turrumbi
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Xerxers:
Turrumbi,

Yes there is still an issue with PP+4.0.

Go over to Spb and have a look at the thread there.

Xerxers
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jackdon:
Hi,

R3 is my first update. Fast and stable. But Outlook email I cannot create a new account for POP mail or IMAP. The function is there but does not work when I click on it.

Hopefully the next version this is sorted out or is there another way of creating a new email account.

jackdon.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dlsnow:
Still no Root Cert Import

I have installed the Release 3 over the weekend and still cannot import the root certificate from my exchange server (Using SelfSSL). I have tried multiple methods including

PFXImport (P12IMPRT)

-it reports the 1x Personal Cert was installed and 0x root, 0x Intermediate

Running the .cer file

-after running it indicates that "The certificate was not successfully added. Please restart the device and try again."

Running the PFX file

-after running it says "one or more certificates were installed successfully"

I there any other possable workaround, hack or fix for this? Can anyone import a root certificate?

Thanks BTW this ROM on the hx4700 puts most other PPC's to shame in regards to performance.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] GSX600FMAN:
Syncing calender

Has anyone, with the fix 3, got the calender/appointments to transfer to the 4700?. My contacts have but not the calender. I am lucky enough to run 3 of these, one is still stock 2003 the other 2 have alternated between WM5 (crap), this WM6 fix 1 version (wow!), fix 2 (WOW!) and now fix 3 (Mmmmm!)still fast and initiially had 37Mb of program space.

For me the fix 2 is better because Simple SMS, and calender and everything else I used worked. But fix 3 I can't get Simple SMS (comms with mobile) & calender appointments (syncing). I have the settings to 'all' but not working yet. I might redo a partnership.

I have active sync 4.5.0(build 5096)

can anyone confirm their calender syncs?

Update After deleting partnership and re-establishing I now have all calender appointments shown. Now to see about the Simple SMS (V5.1) problem I will remove then reinstall on both mobile & 4700

Stick with SPB 3.xx

Update Nope! no luck still says failed settup- check options & phone settings!

GOT IT I had to pair it with my mobile as a 'connecion to internet via phone', where previously I only paired as 'explore a bluetooth device'.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mpf54:
I have been able to get certs installed but the only way to do it is to backup your device before flashing and the restore the backup after loading the new rom. I Have been able to do this with Sprite backup. But you then have to go in and remove a lot of extra icons that the back up puts in. hve been able to download mail from the exchange server then.

However direct push email does not seem to be working.

Also I am having a problem with syncing to vista. you have to keep reconnecting to get it to sync. mobile device center usuall just says error when connecting.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dlsnow:
Getting Certs to install

MPF54, what os version do i need to do a backup from (WM2003, WM5...). And just to make sure i understand correctly. I would setup the cert on the device, backup using Sprite Backup then do the WM6 install and restore the cert.

Thank you for the input. I am very egar to get this thing syncing mail, contacts and appts.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] teentitan2k2:
hey i just ordered one of these gps units

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/globalsat-sd502-gps-review.php

and i was wondering if its going to work with wm6 on our devices or do i need to downgrade?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MannyMania:
It's going to work.... but I think you're wasting money. It looks just to fragile, like it's just waiting to get snapped off. I had a teletype CF card that lasted two years and cracked at the neck. Plus 512mb is too small these days. It's great just for maps, but i've got iguidance and mortplayer running at the same time. You need room for music to. Anyway now I use bluetooth and it's great.

Just passing on my findings.

L8er.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Huck33:
Same opinion as MannyMania, an external GPS is less expensive

I used an external BT Gps and tomtom without problem
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] 4700fan:
Spb Mobile Shell

Hello,

I would like to ask if anyone has tried to integrate the Spb Mobile Shell with the WM6 new rom and it works. Thank you for your info.

4700fan
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] beerboy:
RE: Mobile Shell integrated into WM6

SPB Mobile Shell is a commercial product, so it is UNLIKELY it will ever be integrated as it would condone piracy.

However, There are plenty of people who use licensed SPB products on WM6 who can report honestly on compatibility.

Keep reading this thread.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Pilsor:
pro or contra WM6 ?

First, I don't want to break down this beautifull piece of work made by Kozhura ... but can someone tell me what are the advantages of WM6 against WM2003SE ?

Ok, I know there are new software versions ... but I realy want to know the opinion of the pro WM6 users.

Have installed 2nd fix version on my HX4700 (128 Ram) but I'm still searching for the advantage of using WM6 ... looks for me the same as working with WM2003SE, or am I wrong?

So now downgrade back to the old wm2003se ... but still thingking about installing of the 3th fix version ... what shall I do :confused:

Cu later,

Philis.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Oli_P_aus_E:
Hi Philis,

The main difference between WM2003se and WM5/6 ist the use of RAM/ROM. In WM2003se, part of the data gets stored in the RAM. You have to get sure, that youre Akku never gets empty, cause that would mean dataloss. Of course thats not the case for the Filestore.

If youre Akku really would get empty once, then your PDA will perform a hard-reset!

In WM5/6 only the ROM gets used for storing data, while the RAM is only used for launching Programs. You can work more "pc-like". The Akku can get empty, but you wont loose any data.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cyberdude_pete:
Also, specifically with the HX4700, the memory management of the radios is far superior. No longer do you have to soft reset to get WiFi or Bluetooth to work correctly if you use up the memory they require. Now, just close an app, and boom, all is good.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] brain75:
Hello Everybody.

I found a problem and I can't solve it. I try to make a connection between my cell phone and the PDA. It is works fine, but I want to make a GPRS connection. To make a GPRS connection I must to add a dialing prefix ( I think it is a correct name) the phone number is *99# and a dialing prefix is +CGDCONT=1,"IP","NET". I can't find a place where can I write it. Please HELP.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] stealth1:
See this post on page 14

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1471874&highlight=modemis#post1471874

You need Modemis to program the dialing prefix: http://4pda.ru/forum/uploads/img-48118-ModemIS.zip
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Oli_P_aus_E:
Thats very true... With WM6, I can use WiFi and BT the same time. Under WM2003se, that wasnt possible. But not only that... Once WiFi was turned on, a SR would be necessary to use BT again.

But another "problem" now: With the new release 3, I cant make BT PAN working anymore. Not that it would be a problem now. I just noticed that. Its not possible for me, to connect the iPAQ to my PC over BT PAN... With the release 2, I had no problems with that.

But still: Great work Kozura :top:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] XTOF78:
WM6 and Extended Battery

Hi, has anyone tested this WONDERFUL release with an extended battery like Lion's Batteries 5000 mAh ?

As I remember, there was issues in previous official release of WM2003SE and WM5.

I'm scared of pluging in this much needed battery (for TCPMP) and destroying its internal chip.

Thanx
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] GSX600FMAN:
GPRS setting

Brain75

I've never used or needed the extra string. Even now with this 'fix3' i have sony ericsson (*99***1# other mobiles are *9*) connected via the BT link to the mobile. Also at work I use the WiFi. I am O2 networks (DNS 193.113.200.200 Alt DNS 193.113.200.201), username = web, passwod = faster.:)

no extra software ever really needed. :D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] stefanhutu:
can anyone else confirm that BT PAN doesn't work? i really need it, because that's how I connect to my phone's internet sharing (HTC tytn II).
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] GSX600FMAN:
What or where is the BT PAN? never heard of it. I'll test or try it if I can.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cyberdude_pete:
I have the Mugen battery (using fix2 at the moment) and have no issues.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] stefanhutu:
Bluetooth Personal Area Network. It's the way to make a "network" between 2 bluetooth devices. in my case Ipaq 4700 and Tytn II, Tytn II used as a gateway to internet.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] teentitan2k2:
I kinda needed a gps i could take with me because we do alot of hiking and traveling by bike here on the trails

And um, i also only payed 36$ for a brand new one from ebay :P

Its odd though, you guys are saying the exact opposite from what the guy depicts in that review

But I value your guys opinions and will be very careful with it because things sticking out of an sd slot is like asking for trouble :D

Thanks guys ^-^ :cool:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] santasemilla:
Windows Live Messenger

Hello, have anybody tried Windows Live Messenger with this release or fix2? Thanks for answering! :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Oli_P_aus_E:
I used Live Messenger with Release 2 => works !

Currently, I'm using Live Messenger with Release 3 => still works !
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Oli_P_aus_E:
I used this BT Profile for creating a connection to my PC... That was when I didnt have a WLAN Router at home. I could use the Internetconnection from my PC to go online or I could use the shared foldiers from my PC.

Since I have WLAN, I dont use anymore this BT Profile. But still I wanted to try out, if this still works with the new release (since it worked with Release 2). But I cant make it working anymore.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] gregy74:
Question

Hi. First I must tell that this ROM (r.3) is really great.

My HX4700 can fly with this ROM.

But I have one question (problem).

When I am connected to my home WIFI (Linksys) and then HX4700 automaticaly go to sleep (after some time-automatic turn off). Then I can't turn on my PDA. Only reset will help.

If I am not connected to WIFI (WIFI is turned off) everything is OK.

Maybe somebody know what is solution for this problem?

Many thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jprenaux:
A new Beta version of SPB Pocket Plus v4.0 is available. It's supposed to fix the installation issue on Hx4700 WM6:

http://www.spbclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10839

Didn't test it yet.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jprenaux:
I can confirm, SBP PP+ 4.0 Beta IS WORKING !
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] pat_ty:
it's great to hear that spb has fixed the installation bug for HX4700 WM6. However, I will wait for the final release. :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
According to Spb, it was due to a missing file in the ROM. If I can find out which one, i'll post back here.

In the meantime we can enjoy the new Pocket Plus, thanks to Spb's great service.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Casual User:
As far as I can tell the main difference appears to be changes with various certificates in the registry. I imported the changes to a freshly hard reset 4700 running the latest ROM (wwe_wm6_4700_070_fix3) and the original non beta version of pocket plus 4 installs fine. I'm going to investigate this further.

...

Okay, it seems that the following registry entry fixes the Pocket Plus 4 installation problem with the original version:

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Security\SystemCertificates\Privileged Execution Trust Authorities\Certificates\3EF9078ADA1A8E9FFA3AF5991956AB3CEFAD49E0]
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01,0a,fc,fe,8d,ca,dc,03,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,14,00,00,00,3e,f9,07,8a,da,1a,\
8e,9f,fa,3a,f5,99,19,56,ab,3c,ef,ad,49,e0,20,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,cc,01,00,\
00,30,82,01,c8,30,82,01,31,a0,03,02,01,02,02,01,01,30,0d,06,09,2a,86,48,86,\
f7,0d,01,01,04,05,00,30,0e,31,0c,30,0a,06,03,55,04,03,13,03,53,70,62,30,20,\
17,0d,39,39,31,32,33,31,32,30,30,30,30,30,5a,18,0f,32,30,39,38,31,32,33,31,\
32,30,30,30,30,30,5a,30,0e,31,0c,30,0a,06,03,55,04,03,13,03,53,70,62,30,81,\
9f,30,0d,06,09,2a,86,48,86,f7,0d,01,01,01,05,00,03,81,8d,00,30,81,89,02,81,\
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b4,62,5d,c0,24,41,24,ea,9b,25,1e
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MannyMania:
Heads up!!! It looks like a new rom is out at PDAVIET. CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0 No download link yet, but if your interested in testing keep checking. To bad the posts are not in english. Check it out.

http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=12637&page=7

L8er...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Casual User:
Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to trying this out.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] raisedfist:
Hi, I just installed this ROM on my hx4700 and now I cannot sync it with activesync. I could connect through USB to my computer immediately after I first started it, but now it doesn't work anymore.

Any ideas?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kozhura:
It doesnt seems everything-build 1908=1933, and my OEM packets and drivers with registry in that firmware without my permissions!!! :mad:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MannyMania:
Woah.... Not cool at all!!! They should get your permission first. I think that they say that it's based on your rom because your name is mentioned. Couldn't find a vietnamese to english translation tool. Anyway, they better be giving credit where Credit Is Due!!!

Thanks kozhura!!!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hx4700 Killer:
I dont even see how to download it to check it out?!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
Hide the bottom bar

Has anyone come across something to hide/remove the bottom bar from the today screen?

My solution from the universal (part using vj toggletoday) doesn't seem to work. :(
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] wivern:
Her is Vietnamese/English dictionary, but vietcong don't use literary language and dictionary not very practicable. http://vdict.com :)

I use for translate sellers in our Asia emporium

For interest: domain pdaviet.net is registered in Russia, I thing in Volgograd
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cyberdude_pete:
Koshura, any date on next release?

I wonder if the problems people are having with ver.3 (A2DP, etc) are because of restoring old backup over new ROM, or if real problems with current build?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Casual User:
The problem lies in the AD2PFX package inside the OEM folder. I took the registry entries from the _QwertY__Widcomm_Act.cab file and created a new package for use with the hx4700 kitchen. I don't know what is wrong with the AD2PFX package, but the package I created works just fine. Use this package instead of the AD2PFX package. Of course this only helps if your using the hx4700 kitchen.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lolik12345:
Hi !

There is en englishe version of this site! see on the left botom of the page tri to change the lang.

http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=12637&page=7

for downloads use Dap software!

Regards

Lolik12345
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] s0g0:
can anyone upload the rev.3 rom to some other place? i am having problem with rapidshare....thanks!!!:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
The latest version of WisBar has an option to hide the bottom bar.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MannyMania:
What is "Dap software!"???

Hey I just downloaded the PDAVIET. CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0 It's two files but not a rar split. Well i'm going to see if it will load...

L8er..
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] psyCORe:
hey whats up kozhura ?

did you change to new core ? well Iv upgrade to your latest (6.0.7.0 Release 3) from old version (6.0.3.2 Release 2).. no hiccup or laggness... and no compaction thread ATM!!! :eek:

However Im not yet utilising the devices memory, but this 'clean memory version' drastically improve performance effect. So far Ive only use 7MB (devices) memory for important program, like pocketbreeze, wisbar & resco thing.

overall this version has greatest performance among all of your (wm6) release :cool:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] grayme:
You're a star, I'd never noticed that before!!! :o

Many, many thanks! :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lolik12345:
Dap software

Dap Software is : http://www.speedbit.com/
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
Let us know how you go on please :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Paarlemoer:
WM6 6070 version 3

Hello; I flashed the latest version by Koshura and now I cannot connect to my wireless homenetwork accespoint (Linksys); when I try to connect to my homenetwork (using WEP key) it gives the status "connecting" and after say 10 seconds it goes back to "available". Does anybody else has this problem and does anyone know how to resolve it.

Thanks in advance.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sanjay1951:
Make sure that if you are not broadcasting your SID from the router that "hidden network" box is checked. If you are broadcasting it, then the box should be unchecked. I had the same problem but when I corrected my settings everything worked fine.

Regards
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hx4700 Killer:
I tried Pdaviets newest ROM and while I like the difference in the calendar today plugin being one line rather than two I have found had it "lock up" multiple times now while khozuras Fix 3 did not.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
Would you suggest that those lockups were caused by just using the ROM and not from having installed any applications or games that could have caused them...?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] MannyMania:
For those interested. I flashed to the new rom at PDAVIET and here's the scoop. I really keep hoping that SDHC is going to become a reality but not yet. The usb HDD still is not working and whatever is causing it also stops any other app of that nature from working. I really don't like the PDAVIET splash screen that loads on a reset. I tried windows messenger live and it works. I use cardexport a lot just so i can connect to any computer and not need activesync. File transfers mainly, so since that 's not working i'm gonna reflash back to fix3. If anyone wants somthing specific tested let me know. I believe that since this is based on kozhura's work it can't be that different. It does seem very snappy though. Now at PDAVIET I see 8mb PP. That's the page pool. Does kozhura's have the same size page pool? It could be that I just don't have all my apps installed. I'm going to keep goofing with it a bit more.

Later..
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hx4700 Killer:
I have apps installed, the same ones I had installed using Khozura's Rom. I would say the two perform the same but like I said I have had to reset my PPC 4 times now and I did not with khozuras (except when I removed odyssey client)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] AlCapwn:
Any chance this will work with the rw6815?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] vimesUK:
Thanks for posting your observations. Would you now be returning back to Khozuras fix 3 ROM.........?

@ Acapwn - this ROM is for the iPAQ 4700

ONLY
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ridolfo:
Hardly. ROMs are made for specific hardware.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lyger:
Been using .70 R3 since it's release and have not restored from any backups, the issue for me even after a clean reset:

A2DP doesn't work.

General BT issues.

Wifi although works still has the on/off issue (sometimes) and random disconnects.

No full screen landscape video in wmp.

Alarm/reminders are faulty.

Random device lockups.

Icons sometimes change to incorrect pictures.

Even with these small issues it's the best wm6 ROM for the hx4700, BIG thanks Kozurha.

I've been looking at wm6.1's new interface, interesting..I hope it's compatible with our device, looks like the touch pad would work very well with this type of GUI menu system.

I would like to enable the ATI bitmap cache, I'm sure even with compaction running the GUI is not effected and always feels smooth, I think it would need a new ATI driver or changes to atihwtbl0.txt to make it work. Are there any VGA devices that use a newer ATI driver out there? Or does anyone understand atihwtbl0.txt enough to make changes.

Looking forward to future releases.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hx4700 Killer:
yes I do plan on returning to khozuras. I do see someone else posting just above here about Random lockups with khozura's Rom, I havent had that happen though.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mastercut:
flashed now with khozuras Fix 3.

I get this message:

The Bluetooth Radio failed to turn ON due to insufficient driver memory available. You must perform a normal reset before turn ON th Bluetooth Radio.

Even after the reset the bluetooth doesn't work.

I'm in troble tomorrow I have to use the Tomtom and I can't.Any suggestion???

Can someone post again khozuras Fix 2.Please

bye
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] foxbatul:
.

I'm in troble tomorrow I have to use the Tomtom and I can't.Any suggestion???

Can someone post again khozuras Fix 2.Please

bye[/QUOTE]

no trouble at all

just delete the bt system file - TTN replace the original BT files from WM6. or you can install another version of TTN :)

try first to uninstall ttn and you will see that BT work fine
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] foxbatul:
BtCoreIf.dll <<<YOU MAY WANT TO NOT INCLUDE THIS FILE IF IT CAUSES PROBLEMS WITH BLUETOOTH OR SOUND ON YOUR DEVICE - IF YOU ALREADY HAVE INSTALLED IT AND CANNOT DELETE IT, YOU MAY NEED TO RENAME IT, SOFT-RESET AND DELETE THE RENAMED FILE

BtSdkCE30.dll

ttn6bt2003.dll
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] wivern:
Is possible use with WM6 release 3, SDHC driver patch for WM 6, I thing some as http://eten-users.eu/index.php?showtopic=11390&st=0 ?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] turrumbi:
ManyMania asked

[QUOTE What is "Dap software!"??? [/QUOTE]

Dap is Download accelerator Plus (i believe)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] thanhminhppc:
I need a Windows Mobile 2006 Original Splash Screen, anyone can share here, thanks so much