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[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] CoolGadget:
Ok, there is something that I want to say.

I know I'm not making myself popular with this post, but I wasn't very happy lately with the comments or the reaction from some fellow Xda-Dev members lately...

This should be a community, where we learn and help each other.

Where we can share knowledge and cool roms (like Toms...) or apps (like Tene's...) etc...

But lately I feel like there are less real Xda-Dev members which appreciate the work and effort, those wizards out there make for us.

Only peoply always complaining about "the need of BETTER beta-testers", is it because these people couldn't test it before a release and are jalous??? Or people complaining about some bugs, and keep asking 100000... times about why there is this bug, how to fix it, or why don't you fix it?? etc... well, let me tell you a BUGFREE rom most likely wouldn't excist... and if you can do it better, why don't you put your TIME and EFFORT in it and make a fix for it... or better make a Rom and share it with us... let's see if you can make a bugfree cool rom??!!

Or people asking 100000... times when will there be a German version of this rom or a Dutch rom or etc... Or why put these apps in a specific rom? etc...

I'm just wondering, do all these people always send 100000... mails to HTC or Microsoft to ask them, why a specific app is in a rom? Why there are these bugs, why this, why that???

I'm just saying why don't we all just show some respect and appreciation to those wizards. To those whom sacrafise a lot of time and work into a project and share it to us for free. Off course I understand, the feedback we all give to these wizards will maybe help them to create a better version or help them make a fix for a bug. But there is some difference between giving feedback and just being a child and complaining ...

I opened this thread, because I feel sorry for Tom (and other wizards)... if you see the post on threads from his roms... more than half is just crap... is just people asking the same thing over and over again... I'm not sure about Tom, but I know I would get it on my nerves when I made something for a community and this would be the reaction... I would ask myself, if it's still worth it to invest so much time into something for all those people...

I used to looking forward to be able to logon on XDA Dev... but lately, I notice that even I got the time for it, I just don't feel like to logon... cause most likely I will missed a page or 2 or 3... but I'm sure I wouldn't miss any potential information...

This post is dedicated to all those Wizards out there... and I'm sorry... I'm sorry there are a lot off people just don't know how to show some respect to you... I hope I still can learn from you, and to use the cool apps and roms from you...

But I must admit, even I'm doubting, will I still comming back to this forum... or should I just leave it???

Just my 2 cents...
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] ouioui01:
100 % agree with you....

Cheers!
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] soardiac:
you are talking right out of my heart.

i personally tend to ignore all those "but it has a bug!!11!!1" or "i donated few euros now i WANT that feature and i want it NOW" folks. but you are right: it starts to kill the core of the community.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] chandlercjh:
lets all be unpopular together......

...I agree with everything you say cg...pointing out a problem and making the dev aware is one thing - complaining is another completely.

The amount of posts on this website pushing Tom Codon to release his 4.1 rom was stupid...when its ready its ready. If you don't want to wait - install a factory rom and stop whining.

I also have no problem (we've all done it) in asking a question because you can't find an answer...the main point being "if you can't find an answer" - a lot of people tend not to search and fill the forums with duplicate posts.

So...in conclusion....i may not be a regular poster, but I really enjoy reading almost every post on this site - but when you we are in a position when a poster such as coolgadget is thinking of leaving - we need to pay attention...

imagine what would happen in Tom decided to leave - or any of the other cookers - maybe thats what some of the people on here need before they realise what these guys do.

Rant over
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] biou:
I think your post will make you very popular and make you many friend. :)
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] uliba:
I am on your side - only someone with your reputation is able to say that!!

Thank you my friend.

We all have to organize and discipline us in order to get a forum with easy readable informations which helps the community.

Not only consuming and defining requirements is here the right way!!!

Nobody does this in relation to HTC or Microsoft - and Tom and all the other devs work very hard (somtetimes day and night) - they should have the change to concentrate on cooking good roms - not discussing the same problems again and again.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] imstill@g:
Bottlm Line!

That my Friend is the bottom Line.

I always come on here with intentions of helping out anyone I can. I have been testing with Cool Gadget for a while; he and I have the same feelings here. I am literally drained when it comes to trying to read through the release posts.

I lose my confidence in this community when I read some of the statements, complaints and out right rude comments left by some users.

I appreciate every ones interest, and inpatients for the next release, I don’t condone it at all, but I do get it. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet, some choose to be who they really are, while some cant help but to be that person...

In short, Cool has this right on, I would repost it and change the name just to be the first to say it.

Please people, show a little respect and integrity, it really goes a long way
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] m@rco:
Thanks Coolgadget for posting this.

Even the original rom of HTC has bug's

Can we make this post sticky?

Ps. it's my 100 post:D
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] mbarabas:
RE: Coolgadget

True, but might some people say this and that cus they would like to help work of the creator, and not cus they want to blame his work. Have you ever thought about that? And maybe these forums are for not only but for this reason as well, to let the developers help each other, let the users help each other, let the developers help the users and MAYBE vica verse.

Maybe I am wrong.

Regards,

Miklos
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] petervbeck:
i also agree, it's not really fine to search in a thread with about 100pages and the most asked question is really "when do you make german rom", "and found this bug", etc it's really true. It's not comfortable to find real interestening threads. And such statements are totally useless for everybody. I like your point of view!
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] Tha:
moderators can edit complains & ****ty comment away.

i was a moderator for a long time on a board, we made some rules.

There rules where simple, follow them or get a warning, still not listening, they got banned.

the normal respected members will always follow the rules.

the ones that are *****ing, making lame & dumb comments will eventually make place for the people that DO want to contribute in a healthy way

look at some of the new members their lame posts....

they are just joining to complain, say this is bad, this isn't good... bladiebladiebla...not good for the health of a community imo

serious, they need to give all the guys that are working on things like this in their spare time some credit.

Complaining & whining..... for stuff that is free....what a bunch of assholes
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] itje:
Good post man

I agree, but I guess its not easy for all newcomers (me included) to fully understand how much work is beeing put into cooking roms, hacking progz to make them better, and so on.

Havent we all been a nOOb? lol, im still one, but I feel like im climbing upwards to a higher plain of existence ( :) ) the more I read on this forums.

I didnt fully understand (do I yet?) before starting to cook for myself, even though I am provided by tools like the HyperCore kitchen by anichillus, I can see that its still damn much to learn, and that it takes alot of time. Cant even imagine how much hours the pros in here has used, and for free. Amazing..

Maybe we should start a "Guide how to..." section on frontpage, making a part called TouchFlo, one called dialer, one called commManager and so on.

Posting sollutions found in.ex on how to install the touch dialer on a fresh official rom and so on.

And why not let that be readable for everyone, but posting restricted to senior members?

There it could be posted answers for all the common questions ppl would have.

If that could be done, im sure the sections would be easier to scroll through, not having to read 100000 posts asking whythisandwhythathowtopleasethx.....

I dont think the forums will ever get rid of the newcomers asking alot of questions, over and over again. Like me :) Sending PMs to the wizards, asking questions (that im stupid enough to belive that 1000 others have not asked them about before) about how to....and so on :)

cheers masters

And Coolgadget, dont leave, we need you here.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] uliba:
Yes i can follow you but there is a difference between the guys trying to initiate active (proactive) communication and that one which are only consuming!
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] rcbowden:
coolgadget and chandlercjh

I'm in total agreement with you both in all your comments above. If people would only show some patience here especially with Tom and the work he is doing at this great forum... its would be a very sad day if he or any of the other senior members decided to leave. I don't make many posts on here but I am a regular reader and absolutely love the site. I just hope that more people show respect and an ability to use the search function... and i dread the nonsense we will have to read when we near v4.2 of Tom's great ROM.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] RAMBO29:
Agreed fully

Hello Friend;

I completely agree with you.Its not fair that people who make ROM's and other apps are always crucified or pressured.Many time the same questiona are answered previously.But no one wants to read it,it seems.But another thing to be high lighted is that many people can't speak English well.This some time lead to messages which seems arrogant.But I have to agree the message u posted(I saw it before in forum) is the result of a gigantic ego and big mouth.He doesn't even pay anything for the ROM(forgetting a few bucks of Donations) and daring to complain like this.As u say such people can make their own ROM's and make it perfect and don't stop complaining.

And please remember that there are much more people here who are your fans and looks up to you.So please don't be bothered and continue your good work.

Regards and have a nice day.:)
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] g-fall:
My alplogies for my following comment as I am quite new here in the forum as well.

I completely agree with these statements here. It looks very childish (to put it in polite words) what many of the members write in their posts when they cry for tthe ROM in another language (you didn't learn english in school??).

Tom is doing a great job and he is ALWAYS polite. Try to behave in the same way!!!

For the beta-tester critics, I just like to mention that the SW from very big companies is also far away from being bug-less.

To mention I sent 10 bucks please provide me with this or that is ***

Come on, go in a restaurant and buy a coffe. What do you get for this money.

My impression is, Tom is doing this because he likes to do it, to share it and to contribute to a comunity. I call this respect. So, show him your respect as well.

Donate to show your respect to him and not because you want something.

my 2 cents in R-E-S-P-E-C-T,

g-fall
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] SiperX:
Try to imagine XDA WITHOUT Tom

Hi there,

What my dear personal friend Coolgadget apparently forgot to mention is that in a recent conversation we had with Tom -after having read some REALLY NASTY & RUDE posts- we urged him to leave and start using his valuable time to do better things rather than "attempting" to please the varied XDA crowd.

We also tried to persuade him to charge a minimum fee for each download.

In a recent post (some of you might even remember that) I have publicly suggested Tom to go to the beach instead of "wasting" his time following useless remarks of some outstandingly tactless XDA forum members.

All this TO NO AVAIL... Tom is a big-hearted and professional young man who LOVES EVERYBODY, kind and mean alike, generous and stingy alike!

Tom insisted and decided to continue HELPING EVERYONE 4 FREE... Isn't that magnificent?!?

Coolgadget (just like myself) gained among certain "noble" XDA groups a fair degree of unpopularity because of his straightforward writing style, because his posts are always right to the point and MOSTLY because he knows what kind of pain Tom has to "digest" when some people POST FASTER THAN THEY CAN THINK.

Please remember that this forum will never be the same if people like Tom or Coolgadget will decide to leave!!! :eek:

In the "Donations to Tom Codon" thread (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1471616&posted=1#post1471616) I have just posted how important nice and encouraging words are to Tom... I would almost dare to define them just as valuable as generous financial donations.

I thank you all once more for the understanding and support shown so far (and OBVIOULSY for the one you will keep on showing :D ) and I wish you a great day.

SiperX
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] Lomax01:
I completely agree with the comments made in this post and I apologise for not having any input myself. Tom does indeed make some great roms that make the XDA Orbit/P3300, or whatever you want to call it, a far more useable piece of technology. I am surprised that the likes of O2, T-Mobile or HTC haven't jumped at the chance to showcase how enthusiasts are developing and pushing the boundaries with their technology.

I do think that one of the problems is language and that some people, whose first language is not English, may come across as quite rude when they perhaps don't mean to. This does not excuse peoples inability to use the search function or the ones that are blatantly rude and I would suggest that the mods here clamp down and ruthlessly delete both the rude posts and those that ask the same questions time and time again. Perhaps a sticky in the most common languages on how to use the search function might go some way to highlighting the problem and how it is ruining the forum.

I am not saying that there are not faults with the roms and that Tom does not require feedback; all I am saying is that those that can not offer useful input, who are rude or constantly demand things are not actively allowed to ruin threads.

My life with the Orbit would be far less interesting without Tom's work.

Many thanks and I will donating come payday.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] RAMBO29:
hi SiperX and Coolgadget I can only request you to ignore those NASTY & RUDE comments as there are always some ants in heaven.Either we can put negative points for such whiners after a level they will be banned or just ignore it.I kindly request you not to be affected by these remarks by some IDIOTS who think they can have their way.

For this I consider you and others who male this forum a big contribution.But please remember there are many who admire you too.I admire Tom and his works.Not just him the forum itself and many volunteers who make apps in their free time and distribute it freely.

I hope that day never comes.Is there anything we can do to help you?
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] thormdac:
FYI

this matter seems resolved
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] SiperX:
This should probably be an appropriate reply to somebody who is most likely tired of watching polar bears passing in front of his windows:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1472666&posted=1#post1472666

The sense and the purpose of sharing is to share, period.

If somebody with talent manages to integrate the development of different ideas into an operative system and this works to the avail of the entire community, the person who shared or offered a hint should be proud to have actually contributed in a positive way rather than just posting senseless disapproval.

SiperX
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] CoolGadget:
Sad... and with pain in my heart... I've to say GoodBye!

Dear fellow members...

I'm very sad to write this... cause this will be my last post at XDA Dev!

I was feeling bad lately, everytime I logon to XDA Dev. Cause the mentality of the majority sucks... and it sucks big time...

Off course I don't mind newbies or noobs asking questions.... hell I still ask questions. So I don't have any problem with that... But being rude... demanding something etc, thats not my cup of coffee... That's totally unrespectfull.

Putting those wizards under pressure, will not help. People were complaining about when will Tom release B&B v4 , keep putting him under pressure... and when he wants to do good by releasing it very early, people are complaining why there are so many bugs??!! And start wining about that. And if you dare not to have an answer those people will ask that question again in the next hour, and so on...

There are so many wizards here where we all can learn from, Pof, meschle, Tom, fdp24, Tene, etc... All those wizards make great things to share with us. But putting them under pressure, you'll get as result small wars like today between gullum and Tom... When even the wizards are making accusations to each other, than there is no fun at all.

Maybe it was some intuition... but by posting this thread yesterday, I think I'm pretty close to describe the situation at XDA Dev. I've got over the 1000 views on this thread, but only 20 replies... That says it all, I guess... XDA Dev is hit by his own popularity!! We all forgot the base of this forum!! The meaning why we all are here. And that's to learn, to make and share nice things for our devices, to be able not depending on software upgrades from Mr Gates!! And to help each other when we can... These basics are gone... and so am I!!! I've decided that this will be my last post at XDA Dev. And yes with pain in my heart... I've been enjoying my time over here, for many years... but really boys&girls, lately, it's just not fun anymore!!!

I wish you all the best... And I hope you all will take a second to think... to think about this...

To all the Wizards I mentioned and I forgot... THANK YOU ALL!! Thank you all for pimping my devices... Thank you all for learning me things... Thank you all for sharing those cool apps&roms...

I wish I was able to do something back for you guys, but unfortunately, I couldn't and I can't...

Take care my friends... I really do WISH ALL OF YOU ALL THE BEST...

Regards...

CoolGadget @ XDA Dev ---> R.I.P. :(
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] uliba:
Hi coolgadget,

i am very sad following your words - please wait a night - think about it - we all need you and will miss you if you leave this forum!

You are a on of the best!

uliba
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] petervbeck:
yes, me too, i hope you will sleep over you decision and come back. Exactly people like you should stay here!

Regards, Peter
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] dyna:
I hate to say it, but when a rom is released after 1-2 weeks beta testing and some big bugs are found within 2 days of the release, it means something is not right...could be the testing but also maybe the changes made between the beta release and final release.

I talso seems new software gets put into the rom in favor of stable software. I do agree i like new stuff, but i like stable stuff more.

Ofcourse i have big respect for the cooks and i know they do it in their free time, so that's why i'm usually not complaining.

But i do agree that some people overreact and should realize it's just someone's hobby who likes to share, and that we should be grateful.

There i said it, didn't have the guts to create a new post for it or post it in a rom's thread, but i just had to say it in this thread, hope you don't hate me now :P Atleast i said it in a normal way. Wish i had more time i would either create my own rom or atleast keep buglists/solutions for the most populaire roms.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] neilhhardy:
i think i can say this to all members and the people who just want software and complain all the time.

treat the people here with respect, help the people here and also try and look though the search items for the problem you have.

i know ive done it before posted something and its already there so many times.

i am very gratefull to all the guys here working day and night and trying to help, but a few bad eggs turns this forum rotton.

come on guys lets get back to basics and share and help.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] meschle:
Hey coolgadget - you'll be missed around here - i hope you change your mind.