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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Minto107:
How about gapps? For me open gapps didn't work. Setup wizard FCs all the time

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] p.a.n:
I tried opengapps nano and they work perfectly. Do you have any details to didn't work? Sorry if you posted it, I`ve been away for a while.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Glenn2:
I had to switch from Philz to TWRP to install Open Gapps Nano, bit it did work OK for me.

I think in the end, what I did was (coming from CM12.1):

Philz: Wipe to install new rom

Philz: Flash rom

Philz: Flash GPS fix (wasn't included in the rom at that time)

Philz: Flash Open Gapps Nano - failed to install, some error about an outdated binary

Philz: Flash TWRP!

TWRP: Flash Open Gapps Nano

Booted device, set up rom ok. Later...

TWRP: Flash Philz back!

TWRP: Flash AGNi

Apart from having to go in/out of airplane mode after a reboot to kick-start data, all is working fine.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Minto107:
This maybe a fix for me. I heard that PhilZ will become useless with Marshmallow ROMs and now TWRP is only working Marshmallow recovery so far. Then I will try again with TWRP on weekend ;)

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pandastyl:
What i did to get OpenGapps, was:

Flashed rom and rebooted (I did no go thru the start configurations)

went back to recovery

Flashed gapps, rebooted

i then went thru the starting configurations with small force closes, and when it was done i last time rebooted and then it worked fine. no idea how but thats what worked for me
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] MasterBoy71:
Which gps-fix i have to flash? Its the only thing what does not work!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] JD. A:
The gps fix is included in the latest build.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] sasindu98:
Hows the rom looking overall? Whats not working?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] JD. A:
Everything is working.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
OpenGApps must be flashed directly after the ROM.

Wipe data, cache, dalvik-cache and system

Flash ROM and then directly OpenGApps

Reboot

Set-Up

Have fun: HAPPY!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] AdvaitT17:
What is the deference between this rom and official one
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] MasterBoy71:
There is no official! I am wrong or not!?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pheoxy:
Not yet, hopefully soon though.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] djfnz:
For I9305 don't have official CM 13! So... none!
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] limjh16:
[MENTION=4439705]winxuser[/MENTION] you should update "not working" and 2nd post
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] JensGoro:
I noticed that when my phone goes into Standyby , the wireless connection will be disconnected.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Glenn2:
I get the same, and I also got this with CM12 and CM12.1

Strangely it's most but not all wifi networks. Some networks I can stay connected to.

Only with Samsung stock roms do I not have this issue. I've just accepted it now.

Also, on CM11 you could turn off 'wifi optimisation' which cured it, but that option disappeared.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
It'a know problem on CyanogenMod 13 and other based Custom-ROMs. You have to ait for a fix from their side.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
GPS lock issue

I was one of those who could not get a GPS fix event though I was using the latest ROM with the fix built-in. I therefore decided to go back to a TW rom to try and repair the GPS issue.

I installed the AMCHA ROM and followed the instructions by MaHo_66 at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3176151 and got the GPS reset. However - BE WARNED - I missed reading "Note: also if you dont have a sim password set, your phone might get sim locked, so set a pin password before doing this, afterwards you can always disable it again if you want."

Sure enough, on rebooting I found the SIM lock engaged!

I then discovered the instructions by Alexander_the_B0ss, at http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s3/help-i9305/guide-sim-unlock-i9305-t3267901 and it worked. Note however, that in order to restore the modem and CSC all I did was reinstall the AMCHA ROM and use the AROMA installer option to install CSC and modem.

I am now back on CM13 unofficial and made sure I had GPS switched on before flashing.

All is now working well and I have an excellent GPS lock with CM13

:D
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pheoxy:
Yay! So finally got the Jenkins build bot building CM13. If it finishes build without errors I'll upload it for you guys.

Have a look here, cause I'm going to bed. Be warned this address will change:

http://server.pheoxy.com:8080/

[MENTION=6311143]Trafalgar Square[/MENTION] do you build omni?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
[MENTION=4996069]Pheoxy[/MENTION]

I am building AICP for S3 only. Without LTE. I will try AICP for I9305 maybe tomorrow
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 西村大一:
I think this can possibly work, but i am kinda dependant on the SDCard, so it'd be nice to try and debug the SDCard problem. I'll look into it, but i don't guarantee that i'll find anything because i am so busy these days because midterms are coming up, i lost the 1 TB hdd and i still have health issues, and the cherry on top, i will have to be operated. Nice, very nice.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Sectorian:
I think some oder dev must help you or finish the device tree.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
Already implemented
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
can't get it to boot, followed the instructions, removed sdcard and everything but nothing.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
Hope all goes well with you
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] RaulAkaAlaRau:
Where can I find the ROM to download it and test it too?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24269982086999696
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] mermigas:
Is this the same as first post?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
Yes, there is only one build so far
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
I am uploading a new build for stability testing to see if the fc are being fixed to the sources, RIL STILL NOT WORKING, please dont tell me that ril doesnt work, everyone knows that
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24269982086999696 can you guys test this for stability
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Minto107:
I can do some testing during the weekend because everyday I need modem so much.

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] mermigas:
The correct link

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24269982087004224

Update

First results.

Runs smoothly.

Keyboard sometimes is lagging

External card is recognized but you have to select before if you want it for media storage only or part of your expandable memory (Very good feature)

GPS not working

No FC so far

Excellent job
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Minto107:
Definitely I'll give it a try! Can't wait to see working modem!!! :D

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] rodman01:
Which gapps are working with this rom and you using? Can you link it to me.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
i dont remember where i got the gapps from,, unless someone else can link working ones
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
ok guys,, op updated with the link to my website which i have also updated to include cm13 :) also the latest build is up and waiting for more testing
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 91pro2k11:
I do usually use the ROMs (Platform | Android | Variant).

http://opengapps.org/

This does it work?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] winxuser:
Yep that works for me on the g3. Not sure about s3 maybe just try the pico version. I have also linked open gapps on my website for cm 13
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] achrafi9305:
Hi All!

Big thanks for you gor providing cm13 this fast!

Can you guys tell me what s not working except the ril.I cant test because I use my device at work and I dont use it for calling..Are there any fcs? is gps wifi ... working? I badly want to use cm13.

Thanks.

Btw after some weeks I am going to have my new pc so maybe I ll start compiling roms for the i9305.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] daedric:
Anyone finding the device with difficulties accessing the SD card (configured as portable storage) ??

I have a bunch of music, but even though i can so all albums (so media service is indexing it) it takes ages to start playing any music.

Am i alone here ?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] squirrito:
Please excuse my ignorance, but what will the server be used for? Is it for hosting unofficial CM13 nightlies for this device?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
Jenkins Servers are building for devices. There will be unofficial nightlys.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Sectorian:
So the Acip11 will unofficial?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
If there will be a AICP for I9305 it will be unofficial. I am building AICP for N7100 (Note 2) now, because I own the Note 2.

There will be CyanogenMod 13 Unofficial Nightls :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Sectorian:
The Acip Ota work great.

How can i update future acip whitout break my OS.

The updates on android is so unoptimized.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
Can we stop with aicp in this thread? It's already messy enough and its not really on topic. Thanks
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Glenn2:
No problems here, but I have .nomedia file to stop media service indexing it. I use Rocket Player which has its own media scanner. I will remove the .nomedia file, scan the media and try the CM music player later. My card is 128GB formatted as FAT32 not exFAT.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] 西村大一:
Glad that it worked well for you in the end. I was also stupid enough and did (almost) the same things as you did, except I am running in dual-boot CM13 and TW 4.4.4
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] nielowen:
Well, I found your advice very helpful. Many thanks.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] rodman01:
Have you included pans changes or is sim, ril and calls working now without them?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Glenn2:
Not a great success. It found most but not all of my music, so I rebooted, and it had lost most of what it had found previously.

Edit: It doesn't find FLAC file tags that's all. I'll stick with Rocket Player.

Edit2: Android's media scanner doesn't handle FLAC files that have ID3 tags too. Long-standing Android bug.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ghauri004:
Does the Mobile network work ?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
in p.a.n's latest build yes
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pheoxy:
Seems the build failed? I'll have a look after work.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pheoxy:
While I'm debugging this, anyone remember [MENTION=4439705]winxuser[/MENTION] the manifest to cm-12.1 and I'll put it on for 1 build a month.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<manifest>
<project name="winxuser/android_device_samsung_i9305" path="device/samsung/i9305" remote="github" revision="cm-12.1" />
<project name="CrazyWeasel/proprietary_vendor_samsung" path="vendor/samsung" remote="github" revision="n-2.1" />
<project name="NamelessRom/android_device_samsung_smdk4412-common" path="device/samsung/smdk4412-common" remote="github" revision="n-2.1" />
<project name="NamelessRom/android_device_samsung_smdk4412-qcom-common" path="device/samsung/smdk4412-qcom-common" remote="github" revision="n-2.1" />
<project name="NamelessRom/android_kernel_samsung_smdk4412" path="kernel/samsung/smdk4412" remote="github" revision="n-2.1" />
<project name="NamelessRom/android_hardware_samsung" path="hardware/samsung" remote="github" revision="n-2.1" />
<project name="CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_SamsungServiceMode" path="packages/apps/SamsungServiceMode" remote="github" revision="cm-12.1" />
</manifest>

This goes to:

CyanogenMod/.repo/local_manifests/roomservice.xml
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Minto107:
Mate you should open a new thread for your ROM. OP is so outdated and many thinks that it's still not working in 100%

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] espero1990:
Any news?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pheoxy:
Won't be back home till Sunday so I can't change any manifest till then. However for some reason cm-12.1 repo sync keeps stopping when fetching. Seems to be my internet so I'll leave it on again tonight and tomorrow again till it finally finishes.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] timmtn:
Works, no root.

This did the trick for me, even on an older Philz Recovery.:)

I am having trouble setting up root though, enabling root under Developer options does not appear to do anything, and SuperSu refuses to start, it just posts are black screen until I am told to wait or close the app.

Any tips or ideas ?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] djthorne:
I flashed SuperSU in recovery after the ROM to get it working. Before that had the same issue as you - couldn't get root access or SuperSU app to run.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] squirrito:
I've had trouble getting agni kernel to work. Well, it flashes, but the control app isn't in my app drawer on boot. Anyone else with this issue? Maybe the answer is to flash agni directly after ROM Gapps and SuperSU...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] djthorne:
Ditto. Flashed Agni, then recovered the app from a titanium backup. All works for me - CM13 + SuperSU_v2.46 + Agni + Xposed

ETA: From the Agni thread, latest smdk version doesn't have the app included...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] timmtn:
Thanks for the reply.

I think my issue happened because I said yes, when Philz asked me to root, after flashing.

I reflashed, and this time I planned to say no, but it did not ask, but enabling root from the developer menu seems to work now.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] squirrito:
Well, that explains a lot. Do you know if it is available as a separate apk?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
[MENTION=5896269]squirrito[/MENTION]

you can get the apks from the install zip by unzipping it or just use those apks attached
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Innovator:
Is the mobile data working allready and is the problem fixed that SD card causes bootloops, cause those are the reasons I don't flash it atm.

Are there any other marshmallow rom working yet for I9305 ?

That VRToxin v2.0 has been withdrawn due to a serious error and I don't seem to find another official MM rom working...
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] rodman01:
No, there is no other MM rom up at the moment.

Beside a RR test version with unknown call id with incoming calls, others are not too bad.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Pafzedog:
I flashed latest pan's build and for now , everything is working .

I applied apn lollipop trick for mms .

I replaced CM file manager by pan's one to avoid battery drain.( no deep sleep)

No bootloop with external sdcard but some apps are not able to write on it. Certainly cause of new security rules of marshmallow. (?)

BT pairing ok.

Xposed installed w/o problems
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ross232:
How have people applied pan's file manager APK? For me it just errors when I try to install it.

I've made sure File Manager isn't running at the time.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] daedric:
You can't install it, you must push it inside /system
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] ross232:
Cheers. I ended up using ES File Explorer in root mode to paste it into /system/app/CMFileManager.

That's much better- the CPU usage on File Manager is negligible now :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] aron458:
Found this rom , its cm 13

Seems to be fully working including ril,

Maybe use that one to get this working

http://www.android-hilfe.de/thema/rom-i9305-6-0-1-06-01-2016-cyanogenmod-13-unofficial.744241/
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
[MENTION=7156116]aron458[/MENTION]

the linked thread is talking about this ROM in this particular thread with a working build from p.a.n
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] aron458:
[MENTION=6497855]maultasche[/MENTION]

I know but the original post still says ril not working, so I was suggesting using that to get this threads rom to work
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
the op is not updated ... user p.a.n got all fixed with his build which is posted in this thread as well
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] p.a.n:
As [MENTION=5387684]Minto107[/MENTION] suggested I*opened a new thread for my builds - http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s3/development-i9305/rom-t3293852 There are also links to my github and my roomservice.xml.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] woodman:
You should quickly reserve 1 or 2 posts after OP in case you want to add some info...

Btw, thanks for starting contributions here for i9305 :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] p.a.n:
Thanks for advice, just could you please explain why? I am still quite new here :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
Then you can add some advices for users in the feature. You can use the posts for instructions or some other things. DevDB would have been better.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] woodman:
It's often useful when you want to have separate info about the ROM In order to highlight things just after OP. You know, download links, known bugs, screenshots. This way, those posts will be at the same place at the beginning of the thread. It's my point of view, maybe others don't have the same opinion. :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] p.a.n:
Thanks, makes some sense. But I can still edit OP, right?
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] woodman:
Yes :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Trafalgar Square:
Pan: Can you please import you thread as a DevDB. It would be much better. You have much more features.

http://www.xda-developers.com/introducing-the-xda-devdb/

http://xdaforums.com/devdb/project/?task=import
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] p.a.n:
I`ll add it to my TODO list :)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] MasterBoy71:
Hello folks,

i have to say: "everything works" many ThX goes to p.a.n.´s!

GPS about 10Sec. to connect! Thats famously....

WLan great Signal

Bluetooth for me stabil.

Phone works without errors

My Baseband I9305XXUFNI3

The one and only Question i have is, is it possible to put the Batterysaver in it (from the RR of rodman01)? I need it to level down the batterydrain.....if so ThX a LoT iN aDvAnCe.

Many greetings from Germany.

P.S: Sorry about my english, because i am a german. ;)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] mindblower01:
Have anyone a wi_fi constantly disconnecting when you browse Internet?

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] daedric:
Wifi is a bit unstable yet.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] mindblower01:
Good to know I'm not only one. I have this issue in all roms based on cm13 for 9305, no matter who's development it

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[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] daedric:
We used to have a setting inside WiFi advance settings named "Wifi Optimization". By disabeling it, Wifi random shutdowns would be mitigated.

That setting vanished in LP and has not returned in MM. Ideally, it would be best to fix the problem than fix/reimplement the "fix".
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Whiskey103:
Thread cleaned.

Please show somrespect for the work done for free.

You cant come in like "unstable, fc, why dont you fix"

Thats plain rude and not helping the case.

Just report bugs etc with proper logs etc.

Whiskey

Forum Moderator
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] :
These two phones (i9300 and i9305) are not nearly the same phone, at all. Besides that CM has guidelines on how and when a phone will be maintained officially. They don't offer official support for phones the main devs don't own. As for maintaining you need someone who knows what he's doing and who is able fix things on his own.

Don't know why everyone is so keen on being official. You get the same ROM as everyone else - same features, same bugs + maybe device specific bugs. Pan is doing a great job already fixing stuff for you guys in his free time. He doesn't even have to do that. He cooks ROMs in his free time.

If you want it official start doing your own builds and make sure that everything is working 100% (as stated in those guidelines) and apply with your builds becoming official. But then you have to maintain the device.

This petition is, I'm sorry, not the right way at all.
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] Greyfox21:
I understood you. However, this is a pilot version. If not, then how do you say, let's move on UNOFFICIAL:)
[Galaxy S III I9305 (4G LTE + 2GB RAM) Android Deve] daedric:
Trust me, OFFICIAL means nothing. I've had the OFFICIAL on my N7000 (think it was back in CM11) and it had all sort of faults. The thing was pushed into stable to falsly increase the amount of devices with a stable release.

It was NOT stable.

I'll have a UNOFFICIAL everytime i can. If someone took their time to compile the CM code and even remotely try to fix the device specific bugs (we had plenty on the N7000, bauner was a godsend) then i'm pretty sure that his versions will be far better or much more stable than officials...