yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hmsq:
Yes, £225+£10 Topup at this price it makes a good xmas present, but I really don't like Vodafone app and poweroff animation.

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Thanks for your reply, so using this method I could upgrade my V10d-234-15 to MM using the H81520A_00.kdz found on the following list on the website:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANmGSVJo1_5x5urQvTfyfrIc7smiL6yrFDNZ4Ao_pfs/edit#gid=0

I downloaded the following file, I presume this is MM

LGH815	AGBRBD	H81520A_00	H81520A_01	11/30/2015	DOWNLOAD	LG G4 Great Britain

Thanks for the help read quite a lot of threads, but when searched for debrand all of them were old before this tool was release.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hmsq:
duplicate post
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gigio755:
You can download the h81520b from http : // downloads . codefi . re/autoprime/LG/LG_G4/H815/H81520B/H81520B_00.kdz

is the official link from codefire

the folder is http : // downloads . codefi . re /autoprime/LG/LG_G4/H815

(remove empty space)

after you flash i suggest you to don't restore backup from play store, but download apps manually (in my case i fixed battery drain, from 2:15h of screen to 3:30, not bad) :o
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hmsq:
Thanks the phone is brand new so haven't even logged in with an account yet, installed LG Bridge which told me it had MM update for it do did that, Kind wish I had updated to the one you linked above, the Vodafone boot is horrible and hate bloatware of any kind on a phone.

*update Just used LGUP and flashed the KDZ you linked too over the Vodafone MM and all is working now, no branding at all. Thanks
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Getcomat:
Bootloop after refurbish/upgrade

I tried all these KDZ with this method, H81510B_00.kdz / H81510C_00.kdz / H81520A_00.kdz and H81520B_00.kdz, all of them allow me to successfully finish the refurbish or upgrade process, however my H815 stuck at boot, it basically takes 5 seconds at loop and then it just turn itself off. :(

Any one has any idea how to solve this problem? Now I'm all stuck, I have bootloader unlocked and I guess after all these kdz flash, it shouldn't have root access anymore. I used to use TWRP and now I think it's the stock recovery. Hope someone has some idea how to solve the problem, otherwise I think I have to get a new phone. :(
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PC400:
I have a problem with a update...

After if i update my H815P with MM, my LGUP don't discovery my Smartphone...

See the picture:

I would like to make a downgrade to LP, because i use ROOT.

Help-me?

Thx!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slovan_A3:
Have you followed the steps in OP? I had the same issue but managed to downgrade eventually.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slovan_A3:
My apologies... I just remembered that the instructions in OP didn't help me. Please see the steps i followed below.

1. Open LGUP while phone is connected to PC. It will say Unknown Device.

2. Remove USB cable.

3. In Developer Options, remove tick for USB debugging and connect USB cable. LGUP will still say Unknown.

4. Remove USB cable.

5. In Developer Options, put tick back for USB debugging and connect cable again. LGUP should now recognize your device.

This worked for me. Hope it helps you.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NicoM4491:
does it woks with lg G2??? i have problems to install kdz with the flashtool
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goran_oh:
Nope only for lg g4
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eldriSs:
Works like a dream! No problems whatsoever!

Thanks OP!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yonasz:
If i want remove branded software and upgrade i have to choose full wipe ?? If i choose update the branded rubish staff will be removed ass well??
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] awes0me1:
Which is the latest firmware version for the UK? First I flashed the 20a Polish version which didn't have knock on, then the 20b from Germany appeared...then a UK version which came out 20A again but had knock on feature. So which is the most recent UK version?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pomponazzo:
Unbranded UK version is 20A so far.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _jis_:
As is LG Flash Tool 2014 working with all LG Smartphone Models the same should be valid for LGUP. At least it is compatible with my LG G Flex 2...

Why do you say this? See the attached snapshot.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appkiller:
Hi,

Should I have unlocked phone to be able to flash kdz and if i flash kdz will it be out of warranty.

Thanks
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
Have you tried going into recovery? Take battery out...put back in...hold volume down....press power in till boot screen...then let go of power then press again...the whole time the volume down must be pressed...aswer yes to both questions
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
Also download your stock kdz and do a full wipe....not upgrade
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seadersn:
no, you can flash your phone w/o unlocked bootloader; upgrade and downgrade how you like it ;)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appkiller:
Thanks for the answer. But, when I try with flash tool I couldn't flash any kdz. What about warranty ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _jis_:
This is leaked official LG's flashing tool for stores.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3vtuxj/question_about_lgup/

You don't need to have root or unlocked bootloader and you are using official LG's KDZs for their devices, so your warranty is logically ok.

Difference to OTA update is that this way you are flashing whole ROM while OTA makes differential update of every changed file (hence OTA files are much smaller than KDZs). Another difference is that you don't need to wait for OTA for your country and you can get the new ROM version quicker and at a time when it's convenient for you.

This way is a definitely more freedom to you as a customer, you can even downgrade when you realize that the new version have any deal breakers for you.

This way is similar to side-loading Factory Images for Nexus Devices from Google.

And you have even the options to make a clean install or just updating with preserving your data in the same manner as when doing OTA update.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appkiller:
Thanks a lot bro.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appkiller:
Hi all i flashed v10b tr. Worked perfectly thank you all. In turkey rom we dont have radio working is it possible to flash a rom that fm radio is working? My phone is GH815TR.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pomponazzo:
I don't think so... No hardware fm tuner. Wonder why they removed it on that version.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Getcomat:
I've done all the things you mentioned, I think there might be a hardware fault. Anyway I got a new 6P as Xmas gift. It's time to move on I guess. Thanks for the help anyway!

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I've done all the things you mentioned, I think there might be a hardware fault. Anyway I got a new 6P as Xmas gift. It's time to move on I guess. Thanks for the help anyway!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dioz70:
I want to flash the latest unbranded GREECE firmware.

Do you know where i can find it?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amdev0101:
You can download it from this website :)

http://devtester.ro/projects/lg-firmwares/

Navigate to the bottom and change country to yours. Then all Greece firmware will be displayed. :)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dioz70:
Thank you for your answer.

Do you know what "suffix" is for...?

Because i don't know which version i must download.....
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amdev0101:
I'm not sure actually, in my case when I was looking for a UK soft I was searching by buyer name but I see in Greece section there's this column so it's hard to say. I think it's a code that might include your country code + carrier. Don't what carries you've got in Greece so I can't help you with this :(

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I think there's no branded firmware available. But if it is last two letters in suffix may include it. A(is in every single one)GRC(Greece)XX
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dioz70:
Ok...Thank you for your effort..!!

I will think about to flash....because if i flash the wrong image maybe i'll brick the phone....
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Marshmallow file from op downloads (file name H81520B_00.KDZ).

Can this be installed on the H815 TWN version?

Thank you.

EDIT: I found that it can.

LGUP not playing nice.

Suggestions?

EDIT: uninstalled and reinstalled both LGUP files, worked second time through:good:

Right here mate [MENTION=278202]the_scotsman[/MENTION] this thread has the 20b, which is the latest version. Make sure to follow this step(OP), and you will do fine.

This is important (from the OP)

If you try to install LGUP Ver_1_14_3 alone, it will not work.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leclampin:
Was able to downgrade from v20B to v10D.

For those who wondering, bootloader stay unlocked
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_scotsman:
Thanks, but I want to keep it completely stock, and use the TWN kdz :)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I know, we have the same device. The H81520B_00.kdz works for our TWN version.

Here are both 20A and 20B if you want . But 20B is working flawlessly

H81520A&B_00.kdz
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_scotsman:
Yep, I know it works :)

I just want to only use the kdz that is specific to the TWN device. I want to keep it stock before I sell it.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyStark R.I.P.:
OK. I think we are sol then, as this doesn't show anything for the H815 TWN past first gen LP

Can you grab a Screenshot of the Svc menu showing the device info? I don't recall ever seeing TWN in the service menu...
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Essex_Hal:
Can someone help me please I have an unlocked H815 in the UK.I want to go back to LP as battery on MM has been rubbish for me.What file do I need to download as I can see there is two of them?

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Just installed Europe OPEN H81510D.I'm now stuck on the LG lifes good boot screen.How do I get past this?.Few not to worry all back p and running now.Thank you so much for this post
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oozoo11:
Is there a .kdz file for H818P or not?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reg66:
here you go click me!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oozoo11:
Is this MM 6.0 or LP 5.1?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommybc:
I'm trying to use the kdz lollipop file but for downgrading /refurbish it only lets you use a tot file, what do?

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I'm trying to use the kdz lollipop file but for downgrading /refurbish it only lets you use a tot file, how did you manage to go through?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bender_007:
In filename write: *.kdz and hit enter

Poslano sa mog LG-H815 koristeći Tapatalk
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caffo74:
Open LGUP and choose Update, now find and add the kdz file, Close LGUP reopen LGUP and Refurbish.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Essex_Hal:
I had that to.I then clicked on update.In the right side you will see 3 ... click that then find were the KDZ file is and click on it.

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Also just a heads up after I did mine.I was stuck on the LG life is good screen.Boot in recovery and wipe data and it will boot as normal after
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deejay6901:
anyone encountered flashing back to from 20b to 10e using this app and still detected as 20b after reboot back to download mode>
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bpodnar:
I cant downgrade my G3 d855 from MM to LP with LGUP. It doesnt recognising device only reads COM port and present firmware model. Tried to connect it in download mode but no luck.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bender_007:
check if there is 8974 folder and inside "LGUP_8974.dll" file 1.550 kb

Also - is it original kdz or via twrp ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biskazz:
HNY! :) :)

That is surely his problem.

Can you please share link to the latest .dll for G3?

I can find only 2 versions HERE1 and HERE2. Second seems to be newer. Is it? What are the differences?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bender_007:
No idea my friend :)

I suppose the most recent is extracted from the newest kdz (I'll look it up)

you an try one then the other one in order to see which one works
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cnsngr:
is there a marshmallow for h815t
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] semass:
Do I need to do anything else?

Maybe a stupid question, but if I do a full wipe with LGUP on an unlocked H815 using the 20B kdz file do I need to do anything else? Do I have to follow the steps to install TWRP (what is TWRP by the way?) Do I have to install anything like the modem, system etc files?

Thanks!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Carl24:
No. Just LGUP and you are ready.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reg66:
anything with 10d/10f etc is LP, anything with 20a/20b is MM. i only see MM for H815, not your device. it's only LP
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] newton_ac:
error: g_hdfCommondll fail.

I'm trying to Flash my LG G4 H815 using LGUP, I donwloaded both MM rom: h81520a and h81520b, and I'm getting the same error: g_hdfCommondll fail.

Now I'm stucked! :crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] candyman993:
Sorry if it's just me..but it looks like I have ticked refurbish. And it should be upgrade

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I mean you not I ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sagatt:
THAAAAAAANKSSSSS!!! I LOVE U, BACK TO LIFE MY t-MOBILE h811 , I USE DOWNGRADE TO 10N, NO BRICK COMMING FROM SEVEN 7 MM ROM!!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Underworled:
[MENTION=3497790]shakeyabooti[/MENTION] When i click to FILE PATH, the programme is searching a .tot file, not .kdz
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kevtrysmoddin:
Are u upgrading or clean flashing(refurbishing)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Underworled:
Done.

Had to selecct first upgrading, selecct kdz, close programm, open, selecct refusbishing and start.

6.0 > 5.1
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadi90:
info

when i start Lgup , my device is a unkown model why?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
I don't think you have installed both parts of the download....if you have re-install, restart your pc and try again.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadi90:
info

is a problem of driver for usb lg g4? i have windows 10.

What versione driver usb i need?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
if your LG Bridge sees it so does LGUP.... I use windows 10 no problems
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadi90:
info

i don't say , i have installed all drivers for my lg g4 italian versione h815 , but when i play the software , the program ask me the device on uknown device and i can't start , i don't know why
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
when you downloaded the file LG4 did it have two programs to install?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazylife:
Happen to me 2

I fixed it by restarting mobile and keep LGUP open and keep mobile connected to usb

When its booting up it will see it normal not unknowing

Good luck
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xDreDz:
So.. Any improvements?

And anyone tried this with H818P?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
Thanks for the info... I have added this to the OP :good:
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hyelton:
Thanks for this!

Here is a mirror on my server, after some time Dropbox will disable that link, not sure about the other one though.

http://oceanhost.eu/eps4h4pmwphu/LGUP.zip.htm
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navendugoyal:
*.kdz

just a quick help for those worried about *.tot.

Very simple way to solve this - do not have to restart.

In the file name dialog change *.tot to *.kdz - your kdz files will be displayed and you can choose which one do you need.

Thought will post this - shorter and easier than starting the program again.

Cheers
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] McNizi:
And what about those with H815 bootloops?

If you can access download mode only, will it work?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navendugoyal:
Yup

Works very well
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Freakydeaky:
Yeah works like a champ when flashed with polish 6.0 kdz.

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Sorry I have H815P
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndreasK1984:
Got a question about flashing with this method, in about phone does it show the correct software info? Or will it stuck with the current one i got, mine is now V10d-EUR-XX.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hyelton:
It would flash whatever kdz you downloaded and flashed.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndreasK1984:
Thanks for the info. I will give it a try then.

Hope for a 100% success and no errors.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lonzo_SGS2_506:
Guys what's the difference between Europe General B and Europe OPEN D.. I had the 20d Eur before the MM update.. Should I flash the open D?

>>> nevermind I've already downgraded<<<

Sent from my LG-H815
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Luc989:
Version "C" for H815 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3288103

Poslano sa mog LG-H815 koristeći Tapatalk
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luusid:
Unlock Taiwan Bootloader

Hey Guys, I had an idea from this thread. If I use lgup and install stock mm with the eur kdz file can I use the official lg bootloader unlock method to unlock my bootloader since I'm not running the TWN software? Also I have rooted lollipop so is it possible that I could access the boot img through root and modify it for root marshmallow.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bender_007:
^ 99% - no. Because it's imei based

Poslano sa mog LG-H815 koristeći Tapatalk
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luusid:
Stock Look

Hey by the way from the images i've seen why does "stock" marshmallow still look like the lg theme the g4 comes preinstalled with. Is there some way to make it "nexus-stock" in its look and integration of google now and cards etc?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Why? Because the "stock" in this case means LG Stock MM firmware.

Stock, as you are thinking, is AOSP (Android Open Source Project). That is Google software for Google devices. In most every case when you find an AOSP rom (anywhere other then a Google device section) it has been created by a developer for that device.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luusid:
Thanks, it's a real annoyance since I want a stock or near stock experience and for now all I have is good now launcher for the looks. If I could unlock my bootloader I'd get cm13 and it'd be off to the races.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] itm:
I'd really like to know the answer to this as well. I also have a rooted TWN H815.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goran_oh:
LG detected the phone via imei，also I have 815 twn and euro 20c rom and I tru to unlock boatloder and still nope[emoji17]
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luusid:
How unfortunate. I stared a thread in q and a but no one has replied. I was wondering if having root access to all the files can allow us to access the boot image etc and possibly access a bootloader unlock.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aamszia:
is this UP software works on other models and kdz files ????
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goran_oh:
Which other models?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Navuhodonosor:
What do i need for LG G3 D855?

I remember that some file is different..

thx.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imarcel99:
Dll file is different
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aamszia:
The software is super easy and fast .. can this sw pe used on G3 and G2 ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goran_oh:
Yes search in xda for g2 is lgup for g2
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bumax:
Should this tool work when nothing else works on phone? I cant get into TWRP anymore, it reboot right after TWRP image and phone wont start android at all.

Phone was working ok few days with 20C installed and then it just died and nothing works anymore.

Edit: Tool didnt help me.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Isaiaher:
I am looking for the KDZ file for the LG G4 that says version LG-AS991. I am trying to move up from LP to MM and i have LGUP working and recognizing my phone but I have no idea which file to use.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wslivka:
I Need help !!!! How do you put to this LG UP program kdz files ? when i am trying to put file to this i can only .tot files. PLEASE HELP !!!
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goran_oh:
Delete the text .tot and write kdz on the same file and all ok
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shakeyabooti:
Alternatives would be to read the OP ......
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wadmalac:
Update unsuccesful

Hello everybody.

I have an EU H815.

I made the update as written, LG UP has finished, phone rebooted, still on 5.1 and after reboot phone gives the following failure notification (I am not allowed to link an uploaded screenshot yet so I type it):

"Current version is not available for user. Can't find matched cust for NT-code mcc/mnc[21630], subset[FF]"

Is the problem that may I had to take the 20c version?

thanks for your help in advance.

Best regards
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wadmalac:
So, I was brave enough to take a trial with 20c.

The result is 100% success, with a huge pain that the process made a full wipe, altough upgrade was picked. Not just contacts, downloaded apps, the whole internal storage is wiped.

All my photos, videos, documents died.

So if anybody has an european H815 with 10b lollipop and want to make an update to 20c MM, I strongly recommend a FULL BACKUP, including all data those are storaged on the handset.

Now I am happy and sad at the same time.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dynamiclynk:
I flashed 20C with this KDZ https://cloud.mail.ru/public/LGdK/w9AEZvGwF using LG Up 1.14 with UPGRADE ticked and all is well. Thanks devs.

After upgrade you should see Upgrade Complete in LG UP with the following noting the new version.

[IMG="LGUp 20c"]http://s2.postimg.org/o4visowi1/20c.png[/IMG]

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**UPDATE**

After the app upgrade completed I did get the error\warning

"Current version is not available for user. Can't find matched cust for NT-code mcc/mnc[21630], subset[FF]"

So I flashed 20b kdz MM instead (full wipe *REFURBISH mode*) now all is well.

In file name field type *.* or *.kdz and press Enter and all files with be shown.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
Noob question but if I want to downgrade from MM to LP, flashing a KDZ will wipe my internal memory?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lonzo_SGS2_506:
Yes assuming you choose refurbish it will wipe the whole thing.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegetaleb:
There are no solution to downgrade without wiping the internal memory?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lonzo_SGS2_506:
You can try by using upgrade instead of refurbish but am not sure it will work. But if you have an SD card just make a backup using LG backup and you'll be fine. Then just restore it.. Simple as that's mate. I had done it a couple of times.. I've downgraded 2 times...
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goran_oh:
Use on pc lg brigde for backup then restore after downgrad.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ursulavasey:
I upgraded my LG G4 UK edition, and my husband's (same model) using this software. It worked first time in both cases, moving both phones from Lollipop to Marshmallow. It also debranded both phones, removing the Vodafone splash screen on each one. The battery life has improved markedly, especially on mine. I was having to charge mine at least 3 times a day, and I only got it 3 days ago; on Monday. I charged it last night, after upgrading to Lollipop, and the battery is now on 31%; around 20 hours later.