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[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
The same option is in Resco keyboard, which I am using with no problem in true VGA.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lpsi2000:
Excellent, thank you for confirming this option exist on the Resco keyboard. How is the Resco keyboard with True VGA? Can you post screen shots?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LooxJunior:
Hello Tobias

Thanks ... your idea is very excellent!

But ... then I need only a German WM2006 ROM for my Advantage now ... ;-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] fards:
it won't set a default but works, needed a soft reset t get it to work first time.

main prob is that i can now type fastr than opera can cope with!

tengo gives me reset loop, not good here
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
After installed, it was chosen automatically as default, but you can change it simply seldcting another keyboard from the list. I use Polish version but you can use and change for any.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] edeplano:
At this resolution my Microdrive does not work??? Bizarre eh? Can anybody check and confirm you can see the microdrive and its contents from he file explorer?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
No problems here. in 192, 128 and 96 works like charm. Both in Resco FE and system FE.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] :
Sorry, but these apps do not work:

AgendaFusion (missing icons), CommManager (mixed up), SPB Pocket Plus, SPB Diary (no drop-down buttons)... I regret to say that this makes VGA144 useless for me.

Any chance for a fix???
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
Hi fards,

Just curious what is this rest loop that you mentioned? I don't have problem using Tengo at all. It is much easier than other keyboard because you need not press the key at the precise location. If you need to precisely type a specific character you can too. There are many different layout to choose from so it is very versatile and flexible. The nano layout has number keys and occupies the least space. The 2.1 version requires you to press a key to bring up the number keys. The thumb version is good for thumb typing but unfortunately takes up too much screen space though not as much as Finger Touch. :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
I don't have any isue here. I think your problem comes elsewhere. I had encountered those before myself before using VGA128. If I remember correctly, soft reset fixed it.:)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lpsi2000:
I have no issues with the Microdrive.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lpsi2000:
Thanks, looks really good. How is it in landscape mode?

Edit: Nevermind, I have installed and tried it. It seems pretty good, but I have to figure out which I prefer Tengo or Resco
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
I've been controlling my curiosity for a while now. I thought the qvga picture is 96 dpi while the vga is 192 dpi. Isn't the higher dpi supposed to let us see more? Or have I been confused? So Tobias, your upper left image should have been labelled 192 dpi and the lower left 96dpi instead of the other way round.?

Sorry if I sound petty but I'm going crazy trying to understand this dpi mystery lol.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
It is realy a bit confusing. The numbers show the real resoultion. The biger the number, the more thense resolution. But the catch is that MS people came to conclusion that all mobile devices have the same size. So even with 192 dpi resolution, the screen size is going to be about up to 3 inches. In such a device and with 192 dpi a standard icon of the size of one from the 96 dpi device would be so small that no one would be able to recognize it. So they decided that there should be some table of icon sizes for different resolutions for mobile devices. The biger the resolution, the bigger icon footprint in pixels.

This is actualy a good idea, as long as we are talking about normal size mobile devices. For example Universal, has 3.8 inch screen and VGA (640x480) resolution. The system there uses bigger footprint for icons (like in standard Athena) to make them visible. But if you go for real VGA in Uni, and change back the size of icons to the same footprint as in 320x240 devices, you would not be able to work on such device (some say that thay can).

That is whay MS people have established a table with icon sizes for different resolutions. You can find some good description here:http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/03/02/320x320-revisited.aspx

However our device has much bigger screen, so we can use smaller fonts and icons and still be able to work. This lets us show more on the screen. So we can use icons from devices with smaller resolution (96 in ex.) and still be happy. This is an idea to go for real VGA.

According to the table in the above link VGA size for icon is 32x32 (small icon) and 64x64 (big icon) but sizes for 320x240 resolution (96 dpi) are 16x16 and 32x32 accordingly, and this means we are actualy using icon resources from those devices in our real VGA 96 dpi option.

Hope this helps.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] fards:
everytime I've tried installing it the ameo has booted and froze, there's no response, causing me to soft reset it.. thankfully Ilauncher safe mode is worth the money and saved me from misery ;)

EDIT: just tried the free version again and it's installed
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
hmm.. That's interesting. It is also unheard of. I wonder if it conflicts with any of your other software. Do you mind of I ask you what other software were there when you installed tengo? Also, which version of tengo did you try ? May be you could pm me as I'm afraid this of a little off topic?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
Thank you for your very detailed explaination. I really appreciate the info.

I've looked at the table in your link. It says that the dpi for 640x480 VGA resolution is 192 ; while the dpi for 320x240 qvga resolution is 96. That's why I'm confused when I looked at Tobias's screen. If you look at his screen, the top left image is that for vga and the bottom left is the image of the qvga resolution. Using the microsoft lookup table, the label for vga should have been 192dpi, but Tobias has labelled it 96dpi instead. Similarly, the bottom left qvga image's dpi should have been labelled 96dpi according to the microsoft lookup table in your link, but Tobias has it labelled 192dpi instead.

Is it a case of a completely confused me ( which should but surprise anyone LOL,) or has Tobias just made a careless typo switch?

Please just ignore me if my skull is too thick to understand.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] edeplano:
Well I don't think this program/resolution caused this but my microdrive was wipped clean (as if it was reformatted), nothing left!

Initially I thought the change of resolution was causing the files not to show up but then I realised they were gone completely.

The Microdrive was still visible and I did not get any error messages, very strange!

Time to start another thread!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] sergiopi:
I had the same problem, after installing realVGA my X7500 hangs up during booting process. Unfortunatly I had to HARD RESET it.

Before resetting I've done some experiments and I believe that the hangs happens when SPB mobile shell in TODAY screen was trying to start.

I was able to open the START menu for a couple of seconds before hanging UP, then it stopped with the bottom bar cleared (calendar --- contacts buttons disappeared)

May be they used to open some other windows on today screen to display the TABS and overlapping menus... or something else.

The lesson learned was: DISABLE SPB HOME APPZ BEFORE INSTALLING REALVGA!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
The point is that:

1. All Tobias's real VGA uses 640x480 or 480x640 resolution.

2. In "96 dpi mode" he uses icons and font settings supplied by MS (or prepeired by Tobias and some other devs) for 96dpi device wich means these are the smallest icons and fonts, hence our display can contain more of information then in any other mode.

3. In "128 dpi mode" he uses icons and fonts for 128 dpi devices, which are little bit bigger then for 96 dpi devices, but still much smaller then for 192 dpi devices according to the table mentioned above.

4. In "192 dpi mode" he swithes off real VGA option which means he uses standard font settings and icons adviced for 192 dpi device in the table mentioned above. This setting is an official setting for Advantage in WM5 and WM6.

Once more: our device works always with 192 dpi. It is only the size of icons and fonts which is changed to smaller version to let us see more on our screen. The 128 dpi and 96 dpi says what size of icons and fonts are used, not what resolution we are goiung to have.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tobias.waldvogel:
Tadeusz, thank you for your good explaination.

There is just one little thing

I want to outline that there are two different things:

1 - Resolution

The resolution is always 480x640

(or the other way round in landscape mode)

2 - DPI

DPI means dots per inch, which means how many pixels we can display in 2,54cm. The display height actually is aprox. 10cm, which works out 3,937" If we divide now 640 by 3,937" then we get that the we have physically 162,5dpi.

If we modify the dpi value then font and icon sizes will change. A smaller dpi value means less pixel for the same amount of space, which means the font must be smaller and the same applies for icons

Actually I modify the DPI value so this is why a smaller dpi value results in smaller fonts and icons.

Cheers,

Tobias
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tobias.waldvogel:
Anouncement

I´m planning to release a new version tommorrow. This one is divided in

1 - DPI packs

96dpi and 128dpi

(Including a fix for the lower gap in the phone application)

2 - Language packs (for English versions of WM6)

Then you can switch instantly between all languages and DPI settings

The language packs include the localized SIP (On Screen keyboard), Spelling Check and Transscriber (only available for German and French)

I will start a new thread because this is not anymore DPI related. The guys who have asked for German and Russion versions can then upgrade to the English WM6 and then use the language packs.

Cheers,

Tobias
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Moskus:
Will it be possible to create new language packs, for example for a Norwegian/Scandinavion On Screen keyboard?

Keep up the excellent work! :D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tobias.waldvogel:
I will provide a Norwegian language pack as well. Even if you don´t switch the language to Norwegian the Norwegian keyboard will be available after installation. :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
Great explanation. I think I finally underand. :-)

Thank you so much for satisfying my curiosity.

I look forward to tomorrow for Tobias to release the new version. A better phone skin and on screen keyboard!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LTxda:
Great job!

Tobias,

Looking forward to your next release. I've been testing your software now for a day and am pleased with the results. Still a few VGA related issues but it seems you're on top of it and will have those resolved. I won't bother with a list as others have already posted them. Keep up the good work. A proper VGA display has been long over due for many devices and it seems like you're the contender to making this happen for our communities. At the rate you're knocking out updates, we'll most likely have a great working version soon. Again, great job.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Don't forget, on the new resolutions, the keyboard backlighting control screen is all messed up. A new skin is needed. I can live with the Connectivity skin being messed up since the buttons still work. On the backlight screen, the sliders don't work...
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] jsp91470:
ActiveSync

I've noticed that in both 96 and 128 dpi modes the checkboxes in the Options panel of the ActiveSync application don't display properly. The check marks themselves don't look right, and it's hard to tell what the current setting is, especially in 96 dpi. I have to switch back to the WM default to use those boxes, or connect to my PC and make the changes from the desktop side. Also, the spinning ActiveSync icon at the lower right corner of the main ActiveSync screen is cut off in 96 and 128 dpi mode.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] boinger66:
it messes up teh start bar in wisbar advance beta...

the start button goes off the screen

other than that it works nicely...

oh and the x close utility from htc gets messed up (graphicly)

edit: btw this is exactly what i was ranting on about in the beginning of wm6... but tobias explained and acted on it a lot better :) kudos my friend... eagerly waiting ur next release
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] veethree:
Does this work under WM5? I installed the latest CAB file but all it tells me is that the program (identified as WM6 Real VGA) can't be opened. The orginal RealVGA128dpi CAB file works ok, but it obviously doesn't have the latest improvements.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
You mean the screen backlight, not keyboard backlight?

My backlight screen glider works in all three modes.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] duttythroy:
great work

great work mate this should have came factory default bet you any money if this get working properly you will see something like this coming from htc themselves. keep up the good work:eek:
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Sogarth:
Just a suggestion, so that we can keep track of things a bit better: should there be a regularly updated list of current issues, so that we know what's been reported and what's not? Just an organizational suggestion. :)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] SteveD01:
Actually, you just need to modify your Wisbar3 theme when using 128 dpi. Wisbar Advance Beta 3 supports 128 dpi (I'm using it), but there's no default theme for 128 dpi. The start button (and many others) just aren't showing up because you haven't customized your theme to tell Wisbar what graphic to display for the various buttons. For a quick fix, you can customize your Wisbar theme (Taskbar/Buttons) to use the smaller graphics provided in the Wisbar directory intended to be used with 96 dpi. They display a little small, but they work. Once you have identified the button graphics, Wisbar3 works fine.

Steve
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LTxda:
I agree. The first post in the thread can be edited with updates. :-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
why not dump the latest version to the wiki page?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
It should be there. This tool is one of the first items I am installing after a new ROM upload. Igues most of the ppl here do the same.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] duttythroy:
have you guys got problem using this software mess up tomtom on the microdrive. meaning my tomtom was working but since i install the cab and change to 96dpi my tomtom cant find my map and then my microdrive then went invisible and so i have to restore microdrive.

in all respect its early satges and this will be one of the best software out for the athena:p
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] eaglesteve:
My TT does not have the described problem. I think the cause of your problem comes from somewhere else.

Microdrive having missing files is a well known issue. I had this so many times already, with or without true vga. When it happens, the whole system becomes sluggish.

What I normally do in that situation is to first do a scan disk with pocket mechanics professional. It would normally tell you how many lost chains and clusters there are. If I can still see some of the files requiring recovery,I do a wm5torage, then copy them to my pc. Then I would format the microdrive and copy the files back.

Hope this helps.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] c3p9:
Hey guys,

I own a Eten Glofiish X500+ which has a true VGA screen and WM6. My questions are:

I feel the device is slow because of the VGA screen (too many pixels to process). Would this help me to have faster screen updates and overall system performance?

If yes can I install this on my device? I've seen most trials are on HTC devices...

Any help is greatly appreciated!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] lpsi2000:
Let me get this straight, you have an Eten and we have Athenas and you are asking us if it will work on the Eten.

Hmm, in that case I would say yes it will make the Eten faster than Athena:D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Abram:
You are better off finding some overclocking software! Even then, at your own risk! Good luck!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] kwlhtx:
Tobias - YOU ARE AWESOME ! This is working on my x7501, with the Kaiser Today plugin, fixed problems there also. TCPMP is better with this as well.

I can't wait for the "final" version...

The screen resolution was the ONE thing keeping me from being TOTALLY happy with the 7501 - You have made my day.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Confucious:
I have tried this and apart from a couple of minor bugs already mentioned the only major problem I have found is the icon in program files - I think you should spend the next few months designing an icon that matches this great program... ;)

Seriously though, being an old man, my eyesight is to bad for full VGA but the mid point resolution is ideal for me.

I had just been tempted to install MvRTrueVGA and then came to this forum to find the fixes and came across this thread so i downloaded and installed it. I then read the rest of the thread and downloaded and installed the latest version (when will i learn to read the threads BEFORE I install the software D'Oh!) and am loving it.

No problems so far apart from Comm manager, CoPilot 7 works fine and so does everything else I've tried so far. My only other sugestion would be to change the link in the first post to point to the latest version to help idiots like me.

Other than that I would just like to say thank you very much Tobias, your hard work is apppreciated.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Abram:
Fards, how did you get this to work consistently? I installed without any today plugins ( I only use Pocketbreeze and ILauncher anyway), and it works and I can select it from the sip list. If I soft reset, then I cannot select it at all and sometimes even an uninstall and reinstall won't fix it.

I love it as it really meets my needs, I've even donated to the developer but sadly, it takes too much time to get it going (over 30-45mins sometimes). And it is usually hit and miss with me.

Any tips would be welcome. Sorry i know this is the wrong thread :(
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] fards:
Dunno, everytime i've used it it's worked, I do now have the free version of tengo working, and have been getting used to using that lately..
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Abram:
Tengo free is what I use atm too. Thanks anyway!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tobias.waldvogel:
Sorry for the delay

Hi guys,

I had to go work on a very urgent project the last days and I couldn´t finish the new version for Wednesday as promised. Anyhow I'm confident that I will be able to finish it tomorrow.

Cheers,

Tobias
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Montecristo:
Tobias, please, you prune to do that the box of caller you go appears above?

Sorry for my english....

Tobias, por favor, habria forma de que el recuadro del caller id, cuando alguien llame, aparezca más arriba??? con la nueva versión de rom, directamente, no aparece nada....

Thanks.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Sogarth:
I'm more noticing that Spb Diary and such are trying to use the VGA icons. Is there any way to force Spb Diary to use the QVGA resources, rather than the VGA resources?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LTxda:
He's working on this. It's an issue that everyone is having. We can't see the entire caller ID box. Maybe will be fixed in the next release. If all goes as planned today/tomorrow. :-)
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LTxda:
Thank you for the update and staying in contact with everyone. We know you do this on your spare time. Keeping an open line of communication is important.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
Not to be a 'broken record', but since I have installed the latest version of RealVGA/VGA144, I

can not

adjust the backlighting. I have tried each of the resolutions: 96dpi, 128dpi and 192 dpi.

Do I have to uninstall RealVGA to adjust the backlight?

Update: I reinstalled the backlight .exe file and the problem went away.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Atley:
Where can I get the Kaiser Today plugin for my X7501??? I miss it from my TYTN
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
Strange, but here it works with no problem. I use 96 dpi mostly. I have backlight icon in my spb pocket plus plugin, so i can use it to change backlight, or just click it and get directly to system backlight setting page. Of course, I always can go to settings and do the same from Backlight option there.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] keithwwalker:
I wish I could state which version of RealVGA I am running, but I do confirm that the backlight screen does not work in all 3 resolutions.

I also don't have spb plugin...

Update: I just uninstalled RealVGA, and guess what, the backlight screen is still messed up! How do I restore it?

Reinstalled RealVGA and backlight is still the same.

Finally I copied the backlight files in Resco Explorer @ My Device/Windows/Baklight.exe, & Blacklight.exe.0409.mui, then pasted over them.

This action restored the Backlight control, all is well now. Why this error occurred, I do not know. Put it down to WM6

kww
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LTxda:
No problems here with VGA144 and my back light.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] LTxda:
I think you're in the wrong thread. This is for VGA144.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] veethree:
Ok, I sorted out my issue by installing the official WM6 update and everything's working well now. There are a few incompatibility issues with specific programs but they are things I'm willing to live with given the way that RealVGA enhances the Advantage experience. The extra, but still readable, real estate on the screen takes it to a whole new level - fantastic work!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] kwlhtx:
Search

on Kaiser Today plugin - you will find lots of hits. I got it here"

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=316107&highlight=5tab.schen

You also want this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=319308&highlight=kaiser+home+plugin

to go with RealVGA - now the 7501 is fantastic !
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Atley:
Thanks... I found it! So much better! Thank you so much!

Also for those of us having issues with the Comm Manager, I have managed to install one of the Kaiser ones and even though it does not take up the whole screen... the buttons are there, fully visible, and useable... not a fix for sure, but an acceptable patch IMHO.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] apd:
Ami I missing something here - I can't install any of the 10 button Kaiser Comm Managers - I get a messge saying there are insuffucient system privileges. Ideas?
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] SJ@XDA-IIs:
It's because you are trying to overwrite the files reside in the ROM.

You need to install the attached certification CAB file first.

Cheers!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] apd:
Thanks - perfect :D
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] tobias.waldvogel:
New relase

Unfortunately I was quite busy the last week but finally I managed to finish the new release. Have a look at this thread:

Real VGA