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[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zugshad:
How so? If you think about it. With the LTE your paying data regardless. Of you but it out right you still have to pay for the data. With promo you only pay for the data you were young to pay for anyway. But you paid 0 (other than the 20ish in tax up front) for the tab. So it's a good deal.

Also going to stats..

Current stats for today on v10. All LTE. Always connected to gear s2. 50% and at about 3.5hr sot brightness 41% all day

Sent from my non-Mega loved v10 H901.

Sent from my non-Mega loved v10 H901.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackhemi4x4:
My g pad didn't require a contract either. I wonder if they messed up lol
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egzthunder1:
The data in a year's time comes to about $240 plus taxes and regulatory fees whereas the LG promo I pointed out is $189 with no service requirement. Regardless of what T-Mobile reps will tell you, Android tabs don't require internet access 100% of the time to be useful as there is a myriad of apps to be used off line (unless of course you are planning on streaming video at all times) And even if it was the case that you do need data, in this day and age, there are hotspots everywhere.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cboss:
People think there is hotspots everywhere but, no there is not. Data is everywhere( more than hotspots) however (tmobile not so good) also public wifi is not the best unless you use a vpn and most people dont know how - So IMO having data out weighs not having data - That said, I dont have data on my tablet though - LoL

Also - OP, If you don't like your phone - Return it for something you do like -
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chiikko561:
Well I'm only paying for data in going to use anyway so I actually got the tablet free and no ?? hotspots aren't everywhere.... I need the data plus we watch Netflix for free so thats all I need.... I pay 10 a month for my daughter to ? Netflix anywhere that we go.... And I can play future fight on a bigger screen while not consume my battery on my v10.... Yea I'm getting the spare but I don't plan on taking my case off everyday... I feel like that will end up cause blemishes on the rails and I'd prefer not to tarnish my goods... And if I don't feel like paying for the data anymore I can just pay the remainder of the balance and we are peachy.

BeameD From My LG V10... The one with the ALWAYS ON SCREEN... Watching me.. ?
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egzthunder1:
Well, if you are going to get the data anyways, then yes, it is convenient and certainly a good deal. But if you are going in, thinking that you would be going in for a free tablet, keep in mind that you will need to dunk some money to get it (spread over a 24 month period).
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zugshad:
So others pretty much sumed it I. Yes. I understand you dont have to have the data. But in that case why get an LTE version of not going to use LTE? Save money and get wifi only version. Hell there are better wifi only for around same price I think. And I got my note pro 12.2 to cover me for wifi only. This is mostly for the kids so when we are out and in car they can do their YouTube and crap.

As for last part. The only money you will pay for this tab is the tax which is only 17 bucks. The store didn't have on stock so doing direct ship. So I had to pay 7 for shipping but they have me SIM for free instead of paying 15 since I had to ship. So all in all I only paid 24 bucks for this tab. The rest is only going to be the 10 a month. For data i would be paying anyway.

So kid will be happy

Sent from my non-Mega loved v10 H901.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OhioDroid80:
If someone is returning their V10 and participated in the LG promo I would be interested in your spare battery and charger.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kchitown1977:
Not to bad on my end

My V10
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Ya 😶

Horrible battery life.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shaner49:
If dropping it's signal on your note 5 has been a problem the lg v10 has gotten the best signal out of any phone I've had by far
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chiikko561:
Lol this my horrible battery life.. J. K.

BeameD From My LG V10... The one with the ALWAYS ON SCREEN... Watching me.. ?
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Hmmmmm

I was being facetious. But methinks you've gone and did some charger ninjitsu!
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chiikko561:
Lol I was too...

BeameD From My LG V10... The one with the ALWAYS ON SCREEN... Watching me.. ?
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OhioDroid80:
Stock. Barely 3 days old.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unfaix:
at what brightness are you getting those times?

1/4th? or zero?
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Double0EK:
So far this is the best battery life I've gotten since I bought my V10.

Its good enough for me.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorte_33:
i've got over 12 hrs and not even at 50% yet. and that's normal use day to day.

google "com.tmobile.pr.adapt" and if not worried about the warranty from what i've read or unfreeze when going back to stock, freeze that process. You will be amazed at the battery you get. Fixed my issues. Granted i'm rooted, but its worth a shot for those of you rooted. Used titanium and froze that process and no worries since.

After rooting my phone that process kept hammering away wanting root. I googled it, and figured out why it was.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] famejlc:
Can someone wright tutorial and pros and cons and if it can be undone
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorte_33:
Here is one of the forums i looked at. http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s6/help/rooted-whats-com-tmobile-pr-adapt-t3070336

Also looked at a few others via google. But can see we're not the only android with this on it from tmobile.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Im selling the v10 as I felt the note 5 camera was superb and the speaker also,sadly
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] famejlc:
Want to root phone can i go back to stock if i have to return ohone back to T-Mobile also were is the best root i have been looking but nothing concrete
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egzthunder1:
Yes, you can root but you need to unlock the bootloader first and flash the su via a custom recovery. There is a flashable stock zip under Android development which will flash system, data, and recovery partitions back to stock in case you need to return it and I believe you should be able to relock the bootloader via fastboot.

Hope this helps.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nv1dia:
Tmobiles return policy on devices is 14 days.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] molosar:
Issue I have with losing the SD is simple. If I get on a roll listening to music. I can roll through the data on my 10 GB plan in a week.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I don't use much data on spotify
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ScorpionKing76:
I went completely opposite. After 5 years of going Samsung, I traded in my Note 5 and grabbed the V10. I think Sammy tried to make their version of the iPhone, and lost their way.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] siraltus:
Same. I had Note 2, Note 3, Note 4, then LG G4, then LG V10. Removable battery is a must for me, as I don't have the time to sit near an outlet nor do I want to carry a separate battery brick tethered to the phone. The MicroSD card is really nice, too - my phone now has 264GB of storage, as opposed to the puny 64GB on the Note 5. I like having all my music, movies, games, ROM installers and ROM backups on my phone without worrying about needing a data connection.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Acaibowl:
I can tell you that you don't know what you are talking about by reading your post.

Tell Samsung engineers that unused RAM is wasted RAM so they don't need to worry about.

Educate yourself before making a comment.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] entropism:
Haha... You really don't know how this works, do you? It's OK snookums, just continue to insult people for no reason.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyStark R.I.P.:
hahahaha... Nobody calls be snookums except my wife;)

How about you both drop the attitude and let the thread get back on the topic of battery life been horrible - planning to return it and get Note 5...:silly:

WHAT a Note 5:confused:

LOL, please just chill and leave your disputes out of the forum.

Thanks
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egzthunder1:
^^^ what he said. You wouldn't want a moderator or an admin dropping into the thread, now would you?
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ScorpionKing76:
Siraltus, I have installed your rom now as well. Nice work my friend!
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] siraltus:
Enjoy! :D
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdubsH901:
If you know how to manage the V10 it's battery performance is great for its display size. Have about 7 hours on screen Tim right now. 15% warning just popped up. All web time or gaming. Control your background apps and keep temperature down. Disable unneeded apps like Facebook, instagram, messenger. YouTube. Etc.. They are power robbing apps that always run in the background. Just make a bookmark in your browser instead for them if u use them.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djnikkofb:
look in the Themes apps thread for build.prop edits. Apply them, reboot, & watch your battery life increase..
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] turbophreak:
Do you know the specific thread/forum you are referring to? Not seeing any battery life build.prop configs aside from theme stuff.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZDeuce2:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=64797855

Look here

Common sense isn't all that common
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ivan199:
Did any one know the v10 has a feature called split audio where u can play audio simultaneously in a Bluetooth device like a speaker and a 3.5mm device like a earphone to enable this I should connect u should connect your Bluetooth device and plug in your 3.5mm cable and a pop-up shows up which says split audio of u enable this it starts working
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Panzer500:
Not just BT and 3.5mm, but it also does 2 BT devices at the same time also ie you can have 2 BT heaphones or say 1 BT headphone/1BT speaker sharing the same V10.
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] supergear:
I would trade the v10 for a Nexus device over the note 5
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] young0ne:
does this work for MM?
[T-Mobile LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZDeuce2:
It should, or at least it won't cause any detriment to anything... I haven't tested anything out yet as I'm still trying to establish a baseline before I tweak.

Common sense isn't all that common
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jlaham:
Ok I am a new member to this whole PocketPC thing since I just purchased my first PocketPC which is an i-mate JASJAM. I honestly think that it's a great product with a lot of features and potential. My problem though, lies in the fact that I haven't had the chance to enjoy it for a full day yet. Ever since I bought it, I always charge it for like 7 to 8 hours, even though it fills up after like 3, but i leave it on charge anyway, because I was told that "that's what you should do!".

Anyways, no matter how long I leave it on the charger, once i take it off the battery begins to drain like there's no tomorrow. I'm talking about going from 100% to 0% within 5 hours, while on FLIGHT MODE. If I turn the screen off then it might last for an extra hour.

Surely this can't be something normal, and I have been beating my brain trying to find a solution. As far as ActiveSync goes, I did the tweak that stops its automatic scheduled syncs, hoping that it would be the problem, but to my disappointment, no luck. Also made sure that no programs were running in the background. It came with a battery with a capacity of 1300mAh and then I bought another one hoping it was a problem with the battery. The new one had a capacity of 1350mAh, not much of a difference but it was all I could find. But there's no difference between them whatsoever, when it comes to battery life.

My first question is whether it is possible that this may be a software issue rather than a hardware issue (such as a power leak)?

If it is, then would upgrading the ROM or Radio or upgrading to WM6 make any difference?

Problem's that I don't have the phone on me right now so I can't give ROM or ExtROM versions etc., but I do know that it is running WM5 with AKU 2.3 and Radio is either 1.21 or 1.31.

N.B.: Until I get this issue sorted out, I am using a Nokia 6680 which has an average battery life of 3 days (72 hours), so should I be expecting something in the vicinity with my i-mate?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
Well it sounds as if you've done all the obvious things. There is a power saving registry tweak in the wiki somewhere but that should not be necessary just to bring it to normal power consumption. If I don't use mine much (not on flight mode) I'll get a couple of days at least.

A ROM change

might

help a little but if you have a warranty I'd be tempted to use it. Radio change is unlikely to change things if you have been testing in flight mode.

Anybody else got ideas?

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jlaham:
The only problem that I have with getting it fixed or replaced under warranty is that I have to send it to another country. So I am trying everything I can do before going through that hassle. So is there any test that I can carry out at home, or a certain diagnostics software that can test the phone for me?

Would a digital multimeter help if i can measure the current being drawn from the battery? What should the current rating be for the phone, is it 1A? Because there is one other interesting thing i found while just snooping around, there is a sticker that just has 5VDC and 1A written on it, and it's stuck to the phone under where the battery goes. I can only imagine that this is the voltage and current rating for the phone. The interesting part is that the battery that came with it, as well as the one i bought are both 3.7V batteries.

:-S
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mien916:
Best to just update your phone.... But becareful! read and research on flashing b 4 you do it... VERY IMPORTANT... USE only softwares for your phone...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jlaham:
I wanna make sure that anything i do doesn't void my warranty as well.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mien916:
Used their offical update for your phone... However, my friend brick his phone and sent it back to the company and they replace it for him... I dunno if you would have that luck however... if ur careful and read all the information... and ur computer is stable... you shouldnt worry about it bricking ur phone... ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
The ratings you see written inside and the battery ratings are just standard - nothing unusual there. You could test current draw etc but even if you find it a little high it doesn't really help you to pin down a problem save to say it's the phone and not the battery. However as you have two batteries it's fairly reasonable to say it's not the battery. (reasonable but not impossible of course that two batteries are not working as they should).

Unfortunately we do not yet have our hands on the test file that HTC use.

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jlaham:
I guess I have no choice but to get it shipped back. Thanks for your help guys.

:-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Doom Tints:
Are you using a wall charger or a trickle-charger such as the USB Cable? The wall charger is the only way to truly charge it to full.

If you are using a USB charger or other trickle charger, after the device says it is fully charged remove it from the charger for about 2 minutes and then reconnect it. It will then charge (most of) the rest of the way.

If you don't do this, the problems gets worse and worse. After 1 day, the trickle charger may get you up to a 90% charge. After two days, 80%, etc. After a week you'll only be holding half a charge, even though the device is reporting a full charge while on the charger.

Another tip I have found is to perform a soft-reset after removing it from the charger, particularly if it has been plugged in for a long time at full charge (more than an hour or so). It seems like the device doesn't always detect that it has been unplugged and tries to suck down juice as if it were still plugged in. If you have noticed that your device gets pretty hot when the battery drains quickly, this is probably what is happening to you.

You also haven't mentioned the programs that you are using during the day. Some programs, particularly chat clients, will drain the battery in about 5 hours, though obviously you're not using anything like this while in flight mode.

One more thing. You noted that you were told that leaving it on the charger whenever possible is the thing to do. This is incorrect. The more the battery is exercised in this way, the shorter the lifespan of the battery will be. With any PocketPC device we're all bound to charge it every night, but once it is charged you want to take it off the charger. A battery being fully charged is just as bad as a battery being fully drained, so you want to keep it somewhere in between as much as possible.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gladman:
My battery doesn't last either.

I've ordered an extended life battery with its own back.

I've also ordered a car charger.

I also carry my old hiptop with me when I need to switch sims.

Apparently touchscreen phones that do so much, ie. bluetooth and wifi, eat batteries.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] burkay:
Wow, I am very surprised to hear some of these. First of all, are you sure that using the usb charger kills your battery capacity so fast? I mean, I almost always charge my phone with the usb charger and it seems to be quite fine. Of course once in a while I charge it with the wall charger when I am in a hurry. But I was thinking that charging it with the usb will be better as it charges slowly.

Also I usually keep my phone plugged to the usb. Indeed, I already ordered a desktop cradle so that I can see the screen while it is being charged. Is it a bad idea to keep it cradled all the time? This is what I did with my Dell Axim all the time and it was quite happy with it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Doom Tints:
The process of charging/draining modern batteries won't shorten their lifespans. However, having a chargable battery at full charge or at no charge are both bad and both will reduce the lifespan of the battery.

So no, you shouldn't leave it plugged in/cradled all the time.

The problem with trickle chargers is altogether different. They just won't always charge a battery to its full capacity -- so in this way they are actually better for long-term battery health. This is why I said that if you want to get a full charge off of a trickle charger, you have to (usually) take it off the charger and put it back on when the device reports that it is fully charged. After unplugging the trickle-charger you'll get a new battery reading on the device which will usually be anywhere between 60% and 90%. You can then put it back on the charger until it shows full again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] rudeone:
Deleted, invalid, i didnt read the whole post.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jlaham:
Well, it seems that i was just unlucky with my buy. Thanks to all of you first of all for all your support it really did help me learn more about PPC's in general, and it also made me sure that there is a problem with the phone. I sat through what i like to call a debugging session, just following the phone's every "move". I know, sounds kinda crazy but i was just that determined. What i realised was that whether i performed the soft-reset or not, it still had a problem, even though the solution did sound very promising.

This is what happened, charged it to 100%. I also tried charging it a little more later, but that was it, so i'm pretty sure that the capacity was right. After detaching it i performed the softreset, hoping that it would help. Then i just left it over night on flight mode. Next morning it had only decreased to 90%. GREAT! And it felt rather normal, but then about an hour later, it jumped down to 80%, 70%, 60%, then 50%. Then when I held it, it felt pretty hot, i figured that whatever was the problem earlier, just happened again. So I turned it off for a few hours then turned it on again and it started off on 40%. As before seemed to be performing quite normal, then within a minute it heated up again and jumped down to 20%. And that was when i just lost my nerve and packed it to send it back to my retailer.

I am now convinced that the phone is faulty!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Doom Tints:
Yes, it very well might be.

My device has drained suddenly a few times, with the exact same heat problems that you're describing when it happens. A soft reset for me when this occured fixed it -- and it hasn't happened for months.

But as we all know the same solutions don't work for all people with HTC devices.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] kilrah:
I just had the same sort of problem. I've been using my TyTN for several months now under Dutty's WM6, and only just flashed Schaps 3.60 a few days ago.

It worked fine the first couple of days, but now I'm having the dreaded 5hr battery life too.

I had had that a couple of times before, but it was always related to some software, and a soft reset would cure it like Doom Tints said above. The problem is that here, either this or a power-off and reboot doesn't change a thing.

It's clearly a software problem too. I use UpTime Meter from AE, and I can see that the PocketPC simply doesn't turn into standby mode, but only deactivates the screen. In UpTime, the power on time will always be equal to the time since last charge, which means the PocketPC is on all the time. In that case the 5h battery life makes sense.

Would there be a way to find out why it doesn't enter standby mode (which software blocks it up), or force it into it? It would be good to find something as I'm nearly sure this is the reason for most if not all of the cases of short battery life we see around. Without having the meter there's simply no way to realise that the thing just stays on...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] sixthreesixryder:
Your good man, Phone has been charging for about four hours and it didnt go up more than 40% so I unpluged the phone and turned it off and on and then it went up to 80% and now its recharging it again. Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] simkin:
Battery discharge and heating up

Since I had my hermes, a few times it would get very hot and discharge the battery, and I assumed I was turning it on in my pocket and running a program. But now it does this continually. As soon as I take it off the charger it discharges and gets hot. This even happens if the phone is powered off.

I have borrowed a battery of someone else and the same thing happens

I have also hard reset it and have nothing installed extra, so it can not be software problem.

Must be a short circuit inside the phone? Does anyone have any ideas? I can't send it back as it is a Cingular and I live in the UK and have no support contract.

Thanks,

Mark