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[G2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Br4zil1an:
Hi,

I registered here hoping I could get some answers to which I didn't find anything useful on Google...

So basically my beloved LG G2 fell into water, therefore I dismantled it and let it dry in rice. Then I cleaned all the connections with 100% alcohol and after that the phone seemed to work but the display brightness was lower than lowest and couldn't be changed. Some time later it came back to normal but after a day the backlight turned off completely. I tried to clean it again but still no backlight...

I will be buying a new screen on eBay but what I would like to know is, if there is any possibility to check if the connections on the platines are OK.. If they're not it wouldn't be worth buying a new screen.

BUT: the phone is basically working with all functions, only the backlight doesn't work (tested that with using a flashlight xD)

Also because of this I already bought a G3. Now I really like but also hate that phone. The problem is the heat coming from the processor after only 5 minutes of browsing just because it has a 2k display (rendering all that requires a lot of power) -_- and the battery also sucks.

I think I'm giving it back to get my money back.. Do you guys think the G3 is worth it? Because I think it is not...

Hope I can get some answers and sorry for errors, english is not my native language ;)
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Lw00d:
Does any one have a coupon code or something to make the price go down..??

http://www.amazon.com/FRiEQ-Hi-speed-USB-Type-Cable/dp/B010EXRTXI/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-A-USB-C-Charge-6-Foot/dp/B00WJSPFOW/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Bra...r-ChromeBook/dp/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
[Nexus 6P Accessories] snobrdinrtiste:
lol... yeah i had the i-orange cables in my cart and when i went to checkout... i got denied cuz the prices went up from 15 something to 18 ... now they are 20... WTF ... price gouging! lol

i'm just gonna wait for more "trusted" cables to come out..
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Ovrclck:
Might as well get the official cable for $12.99 through Google.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] WTFunk:
Yep... I bought it at $16.99 on Thursday (11/5) and it never shipped out to me. Today I got an email saying they are on "backorder". Over the weekend they were "Out of stock" until December. Now today all the cables are magically in stock at both 6m and newer 1ft varieties all in different colors and more expensive than my purchase price. I'l probably cancel the order out of frustration.

Edit: http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Bra...r-ChromeBook/dp/B010VFFU1W/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Lw00d:
the power of a review..
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Lw00d:
Out of Stock
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Ovrclck:
Glad I ordered mine yesterday then. ;)
[Nexus 6P Accessories] MoNsTeReNeRgY22:
How much is shipping though?
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Rattles:
All the people that are saying that you might as well get the Google cable, don't forget that the 12.99 is for a 3 ft cable while the orange cable is 6 ft.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] fergdizzle9090:
i noticed that too. i got the 2m white iorange cable the day that all this began and it was like $12
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Ovrclck:
Free

Ordered yesterday, it's already out for delivery today.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] ylexot:
I'm glad prices have gone up. That's a signal to the market that there is more demand than there is supply which will cause companies to produce more Type C cables.

Also, the fact that the popular/high priced cables are the ones that are "in spec" will cause companies to not only produce in spec cables, but advertise that they are in spec which will make it easier to find good cables in the future.

You just have to be patient...
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Ovrclck:
I'm still seeing in stock

https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_to_usb_standard_a_plug_cable
[Nexus 6P Accessories] enaybee:
I am glad I bought on the same day the review came out. :D
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dafababa:
This is the beauty of American consumerism.....
[Nexus 6P Accessories] twista117:
Why don't you just buy the cable from the oneplus one website. It looks good. Cheap and long. It was $12 after shipping and everything. 5ft also
[Nexus 6P Accessories] kozad:
I was thinking that myself - just to have a way to use my old chargers until I can afford some USB C chargers.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Rattles:
because it was already confirmed to be out of spec which could potentially damage your charger/computer
[Nexus 6P Accessories] warplane95:
No, this is microeconomy. The law of the offer and the demand.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dafababa:
Supply and demand is a component of consumerism and capitalism within economics.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] WTFunk:
Woke up to a shipped email. It was sent by FedEx overnight delivery. Not sure if I should be thanking the vendor or Amazon for trying to correct this mess without me complaining directly to them. Looking forward to checking the quality of the cable. The prices will even out eventually. It's already down a bit to $17.99.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Pilz:
I bought the black one for 14.99$ the other day... Supply and demand lol
[Nexus 6P Accessories] itch808:
Does anyone else find that "convenient?" How would a company who sells a USB C phone risk having complaints about blow ports or chargers? Oneplus has been around for a while too, they're not some overnight company.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] twista117:
Exactly. :laugh:
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
This whole "out of spec" thing is a lot of fuss over nothing. The 56k Ohm resister is intended to signal to the portable device that it should draw no more than 500mA for a data port and1.5A for a dedicated charging port because it is a legacy port. Fine. Nice spec.

In the real world, thousands of people are using these "out of spec" cables and adapters and not a single incident of port or charger burnout has been reported. I personally use a Leung certified out of spec Type Micro B to Type C adapter and use Type A to Micro B cables with a nexus 6P.

Why is the sky not falling?

All USB devices are obligated to have resettable over current protection. And no device maker is going to start a current draw at 3A without a valid power contract which it can't negotiate with a legacy port. It will start by drawing legacy power. the upstream and downstream ports will then negotiate power based on maintaining the buss voltage within reference specs. When you first plug into a Type A charger and check with an app, the draw will likely be somewhere around 460mA. It will then ramp up based on the charger's ability to maintain voltage.

Bottom Line: If you want the possibility of getting 2.4A out of a 2.4A Type A charger, try the out of spec cable. If you want to use the in spec cable, you will likely not get more than 1.5A out of your charger, no matter what its rated capacity. BTW, for most charging scenarios, 1.5A is pretty good.

IMO, the bigger issue is ending up with a bunch of unidentifiable USB 2.0 Type C cables and then wondering why you can't get USB 3.0/3.1 functionality out of your newer portable devices. Mr Leung should be railing against the USB forum, Google and anyone else for allowing Type C connectors in USB 2.0 devices and cables. (I believe the iOrange-E cables are 3.1, but not all the "certified" cables are.)
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Pilz:
I plugged my i orange cable into my charger rated for 5V/4A and it won't go above 1.7A according to Ampere. So it still won't charge at 3A even with a 3A rated charger on the legacy port.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Your iOrange-E is certified in spec by Benson Leung. You need the certified out of spec cables for it to even be a possibility. Also, is that 5V/4A charger dual port? If so, then I would bet money, neither port is rated to output 3A.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] krazyq:
Man this has gotten so confusing.

Which usb type a to c cable can I use to give me the fastest charge.

I have an aukey car charger with 2 ports, once for quick charge and one is 2.4 output.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Rattles:
no. if their phone doesn't request more than a certain voltage, it doesn't matter to them if its not up to spec. they designed their cables to be compatible with their phones.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
To get the fastest charging with Type A chargers, you need a cable that does not advertise to the phone that it is legacy. So the easiest way is to go to Benson Leung's amazon profile and read his reviews. Any cable he gives 2 stars for not having the 56k Ohm pullup resistor should work.

I can't guarantee that any specific charger/cable combo will work at higher amps, but these are the ones for which it is possible. For example, the Tronsmart guy has said their car chargers are 2.4A rated, but will put out about 2.7A if requested. Apparently the Anker wall chargers rated at 2.4A will also go up to 3A on some ports.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Pilz:
Nope its a single port QC 2.0 certified one. It supports the largest range of voltages and can handle up to 20W which is up there for chargers.

Here it is on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...uick charge&qid=1447266530&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Wow, never seen anything like that because none of the powers listed line up with QC 2.0 Which is 5V/2A at the low end and 12V/1.5A at the high end. It also doesn't say how it handles non QC 2.0 compliant devices. Most output at either 1.5A or 2.4A.

[IMG="Power"]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61L3UbDq3-L._SL1105_.jpg[/IMG]

But it still won't work with the iOrange-E cable because it has the requisite 56K Ohm resistor to advertise to phone that it is legacy. Hence, I suspect the phone won't try to draw more than 1.5A.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Pilz:
Yeah I've had it for a year now and it works fine. If will peak at 1.7A with the cable that seems close enough to the 1.5A legacy charging rate. It's more of a backup cable for me but either way I'd rather use C-C for charging if i can.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thacounty:
I disagree and appreciate the fact that Benson is doing this. Someone here on XDA did report a burnout on a Samsung charger using a cable that they knew was out of spec. We don't want to risk something catching on fire just because the cable is $5 cheaper.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Can you please provide a link to this incident here on XDA? First I've heard or read all over the internet that someone has had an actual incident that the phone was drawing more power than the charger could supply. I'd like to document the cable and charger.

And my interest isn't in $5 cheaper cables. It to be able to fast charge the Nexus devices within a mixed environment without replacing all my chargers and cables.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thacounty:
I can't find it so I know, no proof=didn't happen, here is someone else mentioning that they saw the same comment from whoever posted it: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63707905&postcount=26

I agree with the second sentiment and am hoping that someone figures out how to enable quick charge.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] tkoreaper:
Not so much price gouging as it is the simple idea of supply and demand.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thacounty:
I think it's a thin line here, but since they are out of stock I would say it leans towards supply/demand.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] ever0227:
The iOrange-E already down to $15.99 and $12.99 for the short one

The iOrange-E already down to $15.99 and $12.99 for the short one. :victory:
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
I don't doubt your integrity, but I always take these things with a large grain of salt. When the laser auto focus placement came to light, a bunch of internet lemmings started negatively reviewing cases w/o having either the phone or the case, before the cases were even released! I see lots of negative reviews on these cables basically just parroting what Benson Leung said with no validation of any issue. Even the media stories have been nothing more than "new" stories telling what Mr. Leung did. None of them verify his credentials, validate the issue or identify any actual incidents.

I've used the techmate Type micro B female to Type C Male adapter in a few chargers, including a Samsung charger for the Note II and in a 7 year old USB 2.0 motherboard port and have seen no issues. I've been intrigued enough to check the current draw in each and found them to be within a range I expected.

Here is my big beef. If Google was so intent on Type C and 5V/3A, do you think they are unaware no chargers are available. At the present, the 2 Google chargers are all I can find. And the single port is a captive wire and the dual port supports 3A on only one port. And there is not a single car charger anywhere. At a minimum they should have had both LG and Huawei make 5V/3A USB Type C car and wall chargers for the phone and had them available. If nothing else, it is a sole source sales opportunity fail!

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There is no such thing as price gauging. We all want to pay less for stuff and people selling stuff all want to sell it for more. Higher price is the signal for suppliers to make more and for distributors to divert existing supply to where the supply is needed most. It is a free market and you are free not to buy if you determine the money is worth more than the item. Wanting it for less does not make it over priced.

Capitalism is the worst economic system in the world...except for all the others!
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thacounty:
From what I can tell it's about what happens when it first starts charging. At the beginning of the charge it tries to pull 3.0A from a charger that isn’t capable and it can’t do it. Once it ramps down to what the charger can handle it should be within spec. If the charger cannot tell it to do this, cheap chargers, it will brown out and cause issues. (This is the best I understand and like you said, it's only what I've heard from Benson) It’s possible that the guy had a fake Samsung charger, as those are extremely prominent on eBay, I even got one. It’s also possible that it didn’t happen, I don’t understand making it up, but this is the internet. I'm just not wanting my house to burn down with my family in it. I've seen what cheap chargers can do and they get really hot sometimes when the cables are in spec.

Price gouging is definitely a thing. When you have a monopoly or an oligopoly and people need your product, it’s very easy to gouge or collude to raise prices. The iOrange cables are still cheaper than anything at Best Buy though, so it’s not really that big of a deal here.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Not all Type C devices will be 5V/3A. The priority table for power is USB-PD (does not include 5V/3A), 5V/3A, 5V/1.5A, then a bunch of legacy power profiles. And because the ONLY reason the device draws power is to charge the battery and the is no valid reason to begin a battery charging draw at full power this should never happen. Even when the phone has a valid power contract for 3A! I don't have enough chargers and cables tested, but I find it difficult to believe it is designed that way. Every older device I've seen draws at under 500mA and ramps up to full power. This is why there is an undefined Profile 0 in USB-PD. You're phone won't run off the charger alone! When plugged into a charger, the phone still draws from the battery and the battery charging draws from the port.

If you're saying that sellers take advantage of temporary supply/demand imbalances to get more money for their products, then yup. Just like you take advantage of them to get a lower price. As long as it is mutually voluntary, no harm no foul. Trade only occurs when the two parties value the objects of trade differently. That is, the seller values your money more than he values his product while at the exact same time, you value his product more than you value your money. And we all should be careful when discuss NEED versus WANT. No one NEEDS a charging cable, we all WANT them because our NEEDS are already taken care of. #FirstWorldProblems
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thacounty:
That makes sense. I actually haven't tested it and I was just going by what was said. Again, I just don't want a fire or to mess up the phone. I couldn't care less if one of the cheap chargers I have around became unusable.

I’m saying that Benson has basically created an oligopoly where there are only a few sellers of an item and many buyers. In this case they can collude and drive prices up, since we are WANTING them. I used the word need before because if someone lost their cables that came with the phone, or if they got chewed up or something, they would need them to charge their phone. Maybe not in a starving children need food kind of way, but in a I paid $600 for a phone and it should be able to be charged kind of way.

I’m really just hoping that at some point soon, someone figures out that we can turn on the Quick Charge 2.0. I wonder if this resistor would stop that, and that’s why Benson is on the crusade? Haha.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
Agreed. It really would have been better had Google used USB-PD instead of 5V/3A. QC is USB-PD compliant in profile 2. The environment already existed to use QC 2.0 for both legacy and Type C devices in a mixed world. Once 5V/3A was chosen, then in really was on Google to ensure charger availability since the environment doesn't exist...yet. The fact that they don't have a car charger available is inexcusable. I hope LG or Huawei are smart enough to sell the chargers they include in the box.

I love my 6P and since I don't game on it, I get excellent battery life. I have only been charging my 6P once per day, overnight, so it is not a big deal to me to get 3A everywhere, but it should at least be an option. Oh and the USB Type A to C cable that ships with the 6P was a nice thought, but almost useless in practice. It is too short to use with most vehicle mounts and desktop setups. I can use it only with my laptop because the ports are coincidental with the keyboard.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] quickstang:
Yep. Ordered a silver one yesterday which will be here tomorrow & told Amazon it just dropped $1. They credited my account. Hey, a bucks a buck.

Sent from my Aluminum Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Fedash:
I found a very similar one with even better price on Amazon, just search "cambond usb type c cable" and you will see it is only cost $13.99. :cool: They also have 1ft and 10ft available.

Interested to get some for work and home. Hope Mr Leung will review this brand soon.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] quickstang:
So for those smarter than me in this area, once these cables are in our hands, what wall charger can we use? Is the one Google provides the only one capable of charging it fast? If it is, & we use others, my guess is that it just charges at normal speed?

Sent from my Aluminum Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P Accessories] gqukyo:
You can't use any of the ones listed in the OP as those are all USB A to C. The 6P wall charger is a C connector only. Supposedly only the C connectors (within spec) can handle the 3A load. You can use any QC compliant ones and it'll still charge faster than "normal" from what I read from the various reviews on the web. When I plugged in my 6P to the Google charger and cable, I got roughly between 600 to 2100mA. I don't know why it varies so greatly but that's what Ampere tells me. It's the same when I use some of my multiport chargers that claim to automatically select the fastest/highest output that the device supports. I don't even know if Ampere is correct but I'll be honest, I don't really count the mins down and check the battery %. I just leave it charged and unplug and replug whenever. For most people, any cable should be fine for now. USB-C is still fairly new so we'll just have to wait and see if these out of spec cables really cause so much damage as claimed.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Lw00d:
i just bought two 6ft USB-a to USB-c cables from monoprice $12.99 verified..

waiting on monoprice to get there shipment of 3ft cable
[Nexus 6P Accessories] GTvert90:
Didn't realize Monoprice.com had 6 foot ones. Why not get googles 3 foot ones? Same price.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] lukesky:
Not true. There are cases where chargers have been killed due to the use of non-compliant cables. See this post : http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/98031749-post6648.html

That guy works in the local distributor for Huawei and he has fried 2 chargers so far.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] Lw00d:
need the 6ft..

i bought the cable matters 3ft, from amazon for 7.99 and 9.99 ,, benson just verified
[Nexus 6P Accessories] GTvert90:
for some reason I thought you said you had the 6 foot and just needed the 3 foot to be back in stock. My bad
[Nexus 6P Accessories] dwswager:
As I do not have the 2 chargers sited, I can not speak directly to them. Nor can anyone cover all possible combinations and operational scenarios. I do Critical Component threat and vulnerability for military supply chain risk management and it is a huge chore.

However, in preparation for this reply, I pulled out an 11 year old Blackberry charger rated at a max output of 700mA. I plugged the phone up using a "out of spec" Techmatte Micro B to Type C adapter and the phone charged overnight to full with no issue. This is about the 9th charger I've used with no issue.

Some points:

The fact that this guy works for a Huawei distributor neither adds nor detracts from his credibility. It says nothing about his expertise in this area. Same with Benson Leung being a SOFTWARE ENGINEER working for GOOGLE on the CHROMEBOOK PIXEL OS! We can reasonably expect that Mr. Leung has access to people who might know something. Software engineers sometimes don't know any more than what is in the Interface Control Document between the software and hardware. And even then, does he work in the OS area of Power Control?

All connectors, and the cables will survive 3A. This all says more about the chargers and portable devices. This is why I always recommend the testing before using.

Chargers should have over-current protection that precludes over driving the inverter and safety requirement specify thermal overload protection to preclude fires at the charger.

On the Portable Device side, any PD that is using full power for startup is poorly designed. These devices run off the battery such that if the battery is depleted and you plug them in, they still won't work until the battery has a sufficient charger to run the device. Unlike the starter motor in your car that requires maximum current instantaneously because that is the time of maximum load, battery charger never requires maximum current. Hence, it should never be designed that way. This is why USB Power Delivery specifies a startup profile even if the device is intending of drawing the maximum 100W.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] thephatness:
To those on these forums trying to downplay the importance of specs and protocols: just do your own thing. Try those products on your own risk. But don't pick on the rest of us for being risk averse.
[Nexus 6P Accessories] lukesky:
The only reason why I mentioned Michael Tan's job as the local distributor is because he had access to the phone much earlier than the general public so he had much more time to test it from a user perspective. Part of his job is also to simulate real life usage and using out of spec cables with legacy chargers is something normal users might do.

I'm just sharing his experience that certain chargers do get fried when using out of spec cables. Testing one night with an old charger doesn't really say much. It could be blackberry makes great chargers with high quality components and HTC doesn't. But maybe the Blackberry charger could also fail after 2 weeks of usage, who knows? I do agree that chargers should have over current protection but the sad fact of life is not everything is built as good as it should be. I for one won't want to risk my old chargers by using an out of spec cable unless I know the charger is smart enough to be able to refuse to provide 3A even though the phone asks for it.