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[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
god no!!! the last great phone from HTC was the.... hum, the? I don't know hahaha
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
M7 and m8 were revolutionary with the best design. They are capable of producing the best phones in the world. They just messed up last year
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
each year, HTC did a great job with their phone, but they always mess up on one point. (usually the camera or the screen)
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
HTC makes phones like iphone 6. for exmpale HTC on A9 and HTC one M10 look like Iphone 6.

so if HTC make new Nexus 2016 then might look like Iphone 6.
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
I doubt that. They kept to the same design with the m9 and they got slaughtered for it...now there being slaughtered for looking like an iPhone..got to feel sorry for them lol
[Nexus 6P General] RHChan84:
I still love the Nexus 6P even though it was bent. I got a new one and I'm happy with it. After the one year mark, I'll be a bit more worried but I get new phones yearly lately.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
Actually... The IPhone 6 looks like the M7. HTC was the first to go for the premium build and feel. Then everyone else followed suit, including apple.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
HTC is in a death spiral and no single phone can save them. Companies like LG, Sony, and Lenovo who are losing money on mobile devices have other revenue streams (EG: TVs, appliances, gaming consoles, PCs) to prop up those losses. HTC doesn't and is betting on VR and fitness to save them but by the time those channels mature and drive profit they'll have run out of cash on hand. RIP HTC.

Back on topic. Here's a quick recap for those joining the thread late. Unlike other phones from other major OEMs, the 6P doesn't use a mutually reinforcing design. That design involves securing the midfame to the phone's body with between 11 and 22 crews along all the edges and well in to the center. It allows the midframe and body to function as a single ridged unit. Hence the term mutually reinforcing.

The midframe on the 6P is only attached to the body of the phone with six screws - two at the top behind the camera visor and four behind the plastic. The two pieces float and flex independently of each other. The placement of the battery is meant to aid rigidity and runs the full width of the phone and about 2/3 up it's length. The cutouts for the fingerprint sensor and side buttons which weaken the aluminum frame just happen to be where the uppermost edge of the battery ends. The results of this design choice are obvious.

As for Huawei in general, here's the Mate 8. It's built using the same design employed by other OEM's. The design chosen for the 6P requires less labor to assemble and it's easier to build correctly limiting assembly line rejects. So, to the untrained eye, it would seem cost savings entered in to the design choice.
[Nexus 6P General] marc1706:
I've refrained from replying to this thread for a long time because of all the FUD people are spreading and I clearly wasn't trying to get between all the pitchforks.

Here it goes:

The "obvious" design flaw described in the post above mine clearly does not exist.

Let's start with a comparison of the two devices mentioned above (Mate 8 vs. Nexus 6P). Pictures for the comparison areare taken from mobilescout (http://www.mobilescout.com/android/news/n62864/Huawei-Mate-8-teardown-is-here.html) and iFixit (https://de.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+6P+Teardown/51660).

The back of both devices is attached with only a few screws at the top and bottom of the device.

The Mate 8 seems to use one more screw compared to the 6P. That is however for the speaker assembly and does not any rigidity to the device

All other screws are only used for attaching the boards to the device. Does break rather easily and do not add any significant rigidity to the device

Some have also mentioned that it breaks right above the battery as the battery adds structural support and prevents it from bending further to the bottom of the device. This is also incorrect. Have you tried bending a battery? Those are rather soft and can possible be described as slightly stronger Play-Doh. The bending forces those can withstand are orders of magnitudes below those of aluminum.

The devices might bend in at the power button because that is naturally the weakest point of the device with the rather large cutout of the power button. The fingerprint reader cutout is however negligible compared to that as it does not add much support against bends at all (try bending a piece of flat steel with different sides up).

So I guess we're back to possible manufacturing defects for affected devices (the ones that are already bent or bend rather fast) and I guess some that bend after a while also due to a manufacturing defect causing people to reach the designed maximum complex collective of stress factors way too soon (and thus causing bends).

P.S.: Mine is luckily still fine.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
You're defying logic. The Note 5's midframe is secured to the body of the phone with 20 screws around the edges of the phone and in to the center. The Nexus 6 has the same design using 11 screws. The 6P has nothing securing the midframe to its body except at the top and bottom. Phones are subjected to stress in everyday use. Multiple 6P's are twisting (not laying flat) and bending in the exact same location. It also bends far easier than other phones at exactly the same place being discussed. You think that has nothing to do with the design? I agree with you that it's odd more phones aren't affected and that typically does point to a material defect vs. a design defect but the 6P's design is simplistic and easy to assemble so what component would be causing some to bend and others not?
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
That's the million dollar question right there. I really want to take mine apart to see if there is any glaring differences but don't want to f it up. People have had loose volume rockers that rattle right out of the box. Maybe something key is missing in that area. Maybe only 1/2 of the kids assembling these understood the instructions...
[Nexus 6P General] marc1706:
You previously compared the Mate 8 and the Nexus 6P. I'm not defying logic but clearly stating that your previous assertions are incorrect. There is no major difference in design between those two devices as you previously stated.

Devices are manufactured with certain tolerances in mind. A frame that is on the "thicker" side of the tolerance range specified will certainly be stronger than one on the "thinner" side. The same applies for the body. Combining both "thin" frames will obviously result in a weaker device.

Comparing the Nexus 6P with the Note 5 will not help at all. While the 6P consists of two aluminum frames, the Note 5 is made up of two aluminum frames and a glas back. That way they were able to use all those screws and covering them up using the glass back. This would not be a viable solution for the 6P with its all aluminum back. The HTC One M9 does not seem to bend like the Nexus 6P seems to yet it does not have screws running all around the device.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
Let´s be honest. The Nexus 6P is a very expensive device but Huawei saved a few extra bucks on the most important aspect: stability.

This device is not as rugged as it looks and I hate to repeat myself ( just search the other posts ). Even if you "baby" this device, it will twist ( warp ) or bend, sooner or later. Most cases are not rugged and stiff enough to prevent this phone from doing so. If however you use a strong case like eg. a Poetic Revolution which adds enough pressure from all sides, your phone might not bend at all. But what´s the point for some people ?

Just imagine that you buy eg. a car which is made out of very thin Aluminum...and will bend even if you open and close the doors ? Really ? Are customers supposed to accept such a defect ?

We´re not talking about a cheap device and Google / Huawei marketed the Nexus 6P as a "Premium" device...for a premium price ( especially in Germany where you´re ripped off ). Instead of denying the flaws about this device being so sensitive that even sliding it in and out of your jeans pocket ( regular jeans btw, not skinny stuff ) might warp the back, you should accept the reality.

Your device is not warped or bent (yet) ? Good for you, congratulations. Does this mean that every device is supposed to remain stable ? I´m really a guy who takes good care off his devices and I really can´t do more than use this phone like it was intended to be used ? What else can I do? I really like this phone for the Specs and fast updates, as well as a great community. However, I hate the build quality.
[Nexus 6P General] ataft:
I've had mine for a solid month, and only use soft tpu case. I am mindful of how I keep the phone, but I can't imagine I'm any more careful than those that say they were very careful, or baby the phone, and it bent in a matter of days or a week...

You might say that it will bend sooner or later, that it is just a matter of time, but there are far more people out there without bent phones that would not be so quick to agree with you.

I'm not saying it is impossible that there is a design flaw with the phone, but a vocal minority does not reject so easily a silent majority.
[Nexus 6P General] murso74:
The people who haven't had this problem are acting like someone's going to come to their house and take away their phones is we bring it to people's attention. I do not understand what their goal is
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
That's not how I'm acting, can't speak for others. Mine has had its share of compression stress in my pocket. Still straight and not a hint of kinks near the power and volume.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
Some bend others don't. I've had two 6Ps didn't care for the case, but I don't think it's structural but rather somehow whether it how you use your device or carry it etc. More would be bending if it was a structural issue
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
You realize you and I are both guessing. Me what it is, you what it isn't. Until/if a specific cause is identified that's all anyone here can do. The one thing everyone here can agree on is it shouldn't be happening so regularly and consistently so something's wrong. I have access to h/w engineers and discussed this with them and, with scant information, they thought it was design. That's far from conclusive though.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
Ok, my device is not bent in a terrible way but slightly warped instead. It wobbles on the table if you lay it on its screen. If you have a closer look, you can see a larger gap between the volume buttons and the screen too. I bet that many people won´t notice the warp and even if...how many guys are actually active in some sort of phone forums ? XDA members are a minority in comparison to most other users. Some people don´t even know or care about the Android version they´re rocking on their devices. That´s a fact and there´s nothing to do about it.

If you have some basic understanding about mechanical engineering, you might understand why this device is flawed ? Now let´s ask the same question again, how much does this device cost ? Is it really acceptable that it´s so sensitive ? Are you supposed to just look at it ?

I was one of the guys btw who also replied in another thread when my device was still 100% ok. It´s just a matter of time until other guys might notice a warp too or even experience the kink because of how the tension progresses. Let´s face it, the Nexus 6P is good in terms of Specs and Software but terrible in terms of durability. I won´t touch another Huawei device again and to be honest, I hesitated at first because I don´t like their phones and software support. I thought that maybe this company deserves a chance since it develops the device for Google. Maybe I was wrong but now it´s too late to go back.

Even if this problem only affects a few users, it´s still something which has to be mentioned. If Huawei builds a good looking device, demands a hefty price and offers you the durability of a cheap 100 $ phone...would you really accept it ? Like I said before, I might RMA my device only short before my warranty runs out or if it finally fails some day.

I have to pick my poison now. 1) live with the flaw and hope that it won´t change for the worse, 2) argue with Vodafone and maybe get a replacement with eg. a faulty screen or 3) RMA this device short before the warranty runs out and hopefully I might get one revised version some day? Or at least a 100% good device which I can get rid of at ebay since the trust is gone ?
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
10's of millions Takata airbags suffer from a design defect. A couple of hundred people have been hurt or killed. 8M GM ignition switches can turn the car off in motion by hitting them a certain way. 160 people have been hurt or killed. Frequency of occurrence has nothing to do with whether or not something's defective; only how prevalent it is. Obviously the 6P's issue isn't life threatening but you get the point.
[Nexus 6P General] cstrife999:
Close this thread please... Seriously... No real point here other than people acting like morons... One way or the other...
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Or how about you don't click into this thread anymore?
[Nexus 6P General] xchasa:
I'm seriously wondering if when the phone is hot, it's causing the bending and warping with daily use.

That would explain why some have the issue while others claim they have had in pockets and dropped without any warping. Having phones in cases also add temp as the dissipation is reduced.

Thin aluminium is easily distorted while hot but much stronger while cool.
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
The generalizations being made about the device are unfounded is my point, I don't care about car mechanics, they issue recall notices.
[Nexus 6P General] riz157:
Build quality definetly isn't on par with 6s, S6, M9 but then ts cheaper then all of them. Nevertheless its disappointing for google to have passed such a brittle device.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
Yes many generalizations being thrown around here. The weakness of the design is a factor, but not the only variable. Good luck trying to have a logical discussion about this point.
[Nexus 6P General] dlads:
I'm guessing the vast majority of you with bent phones don't use strong cases right? It does look lovely with no case but it's so fragile I can't do it. Get a nice case ;)
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
I used a Spigen Rugged Armor case before my device warped. The case itself is rather soft and cannot bend the phone. The case is really easy to remove. Now I use a modified Poetic Revolution case which adds enough pressure from all sides in order to prevent the phone from warping further.
[Nexus 6P General] RidinNerdy:
Either way it's an eff up because sure that case will be strong enough to save you from further warps but then I can imagine the hassle taking it out the case to clean it, its gonna warp.. So in other words..if it doesn't warp on the way in its gonna do it on the way out... There is NO ESCAPING THE WARP!!! [emoji28]
[Nexus 6P General] juancaperez2000:
Question, just got my phone last week from Best Buy and looks like start to bent, can I RMA by google or need to be by Best Buy?
[Nexus 6P General] :
Go back to BestBuy, they have a 14 day return or exchange policy without any restocking fees.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Have to disagree. Friends and family own the 6S/6 Galaxy and even some agree 6P has nicer feel and detailing. The chamfered edges and texture to the aluminum are superior.

And there is proof the strength of build is nearly equal to 6S, can withstand 90 lbs of force. After a certain height, 6S does not survive any better than 6P.

I have not seen credible proof that 6P is not a match for 6S/S6. I have felt and used all three.

As for the bending, no one has proven that it is random or spontaneous. I do hope Huawei/google investigate these claims and address them if there is any truth to them. Sympathies for those who spent $500 on a premium phone to only have a bend in the frame.

---------- Post added at 01:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:42 PM ----------

Not quite right. The iPhone 6 issue was not bulge around power/volume but bending. And it does bend. I have a friend with a warped iPhone. The only proof of 6P bending like that I have seen was posted by a Spartan/rock climbing body builder. Otherwise seen proof the 6P can withstand 90 lbs of force just like the 6S. In that regard Huawei did learn from Apple's mistake and did not repeat it. This warping around button needs more investigation. Still have not read or seen proof of it and the cause for it beyond other than user abuse.

I would not discourage users from reporting and sending their phones to google for evaluation. It will only help google design better phones.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the video you're talking about. The way the phone’s secured all the weight being applied is distributed evenly across the phone. The problem being discussed here is what happens when something causes the phone to bend at the midpoint. That’s the difference between this video and the snapping in half video.

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The degree a iP6+ bent/bends (see video below) is a fraction of what a 6P experiences under the same circumstances. The 6P literally bends in half when pressure is applied to it in the center of the phone. And the iP6s+ doesn’t bend at all which means there was a design issue with the OG version. As my mamma used to say, “two wrongs don’t make a right.” ;)

[YOUTUBE]znK652H6yQM[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Does it?

https://youtu.be/NC6f3g6xTRQ

https://youtu.be/1GZV-jO6ebg

https://youtu.be/3GHTykVGXRk

https://youtu.be/xTx6ypwwgio

https://youtu.be/kMqFYHAvyjw
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
If you really want Nexus phone then just wait for Nexus 2016 in October.

bend problem should be solved.

and 810 overheating should be solved with snapDragon 820 chipset.

or buy a phone which don't bend. Motorola is like Nexus UI. so you can get Moto X style, Pure or force. droid turbo 2.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
And what about this guy? Is he really some sort of a Hulk and are the other guys weaklings?

https://youtu.be/r3cWVdLqXCg
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
actually yes he is:

https://www.instagram.com/p/-_xjowvIUv/?taken-by=zacksjerryrig
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Nope, wrong. There is only one video that would support your false claim. It's false because the person who did the video was completely deceitful. A hulk telling me he can bend the phone in half in the center doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not a hulk, and I'm certainly not planning to ask any hulks to bend my phone.

The iPhone 6 on the other hand, folks who were bending those were desk jockeys and film nerds who don't appear to participate in physical activities, never-mind weight lifting.
[Nexus 6P General] uiterlix:
Those videos are hilarious as not a single person on the videos is applying real pressure on the phone. This whole bend gate is turning into a religious discussion and seems to be more about belief than about reasoning about real arguments. Too many blind spots...

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[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Oh come on..........yeah no pressure lol. Obviously there is a point where the phone bends somewhere between geek and hulk strength.

The only thing religious here is those whose phones bend by people claiming they did nothing at all to damage their phone. That's some real divine intervention. Or maybe just denial.
[Nexus 6P General] marc1706:
A small warp might actually be within manufacturing tolerances. Whether that is true for your device remains to be judged.

Guess what, I might actually have a basic understanding of mechanical engineering with my Master of Science in mechanical engineering.

The tension does not progress but accumulated stress might cause aluminum to fail at some point. Fun fact: any aluminum device will fail eventually as it does not have a permanent resistance to stress no matter how well the aluminum is designed.

BTW, if you want to return your device I recommend you do it within 6 months. Otherwise you might have to prove that this is a defect that existed prior to you receiving the device.

Apples and oranges, really.

Aluminum will endure pretty much the same stress at 60 °C as it will at 20 °C. The difference is negligible. Unless you heat your phone to above 100 °C, you should be fine.

A brittle device would not bend but just break in half. ;)

In the mentioned video, the force resulting from the weight is applied on the outside of the phone while the holding force is applied in the center. This results in the maximum bending stress to occur in the center of the device. That video is actually one of the few ones that is more or less objective and would allow for a proper comparison of devices.
[Nexus 6P General] Stitch!:
I have never broken a phone in my life, all my old notes (2,3,4) are as good as new. I have the Nexus 6p since saturday and have had it in a spigen case since i got it out of the box, also applied a glass screen protector with care. Now i noticed a bend yesterday, opened a support ticket with Google about it.

[IMG="Bend around the volume power buttons"]http://i.imgur.com/J4nXLTj.jpg[/IMG]

I do think I recieved one from a bad batch. (64 gb frost production date 11-03-2015)

This phone never fell, was never pocketed and the most pressure i applied to the device was with normal one handed use. (im not a hulk btw)

I am gonna get it replaced if possible, thinking about getting another color, since I have read more people having problems with the frost one. But this bending is definitly not a user error in every case. Note that my bend is very slight and barely noticable. Still annoys the hell out of me.

Full album including the "straight" left side of the phone here.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
Your phone looks the same like mine and I didn´t abuse it either. It also has a similar gap above the buttons, barely noticeable but if you try to fit in a sheet of paper it will go inside..
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Good luck, post here of the results with Google.
[Nexus 6P General] JoshuaMh:
How is that even possible? Are you sure it didn't come bent? I don't see how a metal phone would just magically bend in 2 days without even being in a pocket. When would phone have even received pressure to bend? If zero force was applied to the phone and it suddenly decided to bend on its own, either it's the case or battery swelling. I do always hear it's Spigen cases when people notice bends. Guess I'm still just lucky.
[Nexus 6P General] Abaddon:
I've got that gap too, just noticed it yesterday. damn I baby this phone so much. I believe I saw it after falling asleep while my phone was at twrp backing up. once I got into my senses I noticed a small scratch bump like near the volume keys. it was barely noticeable but if you place a paper between it you'll notice it or swipe you finger you can feel it. it's sad tho. I owned this since nov 2.
[Nexus 6P General] Stitch!:
Google support responded well, I send the pictures from my original post and I got an rma form with a link to order the same phone free of charge. I will report back on the state of the replacement device. Hopefully everything will be sorted soon. Really positive about the customer service so far!

[MENTION=7235086]JoshuaMh[/MENTION]

My running theory is that i got bend when i put in in my spigen thin fit case. This is a hard plastic case and while i placed it carefully, it might have gotten bend there. That or it came this way. Either way unacceptable quality control in my book. Lets hope it was just a bad apple. (no pun intended)