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[HTC One A9] fix-this!:
I went to at&t today to play with it. Very responsive compared to my m9. Design is 100% iphone. No ambient display though. Not worth the $500 tag they want but if tmobile had it id consider financing. I do like the fact its very slimmed down sense. Almost aosp feel and look. Htc should of kept the price at $399.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Maybe if you had it for a few days. I think it's worth 500 considering the build quality and the parts used inside are high quality. Not to mention the surprisingly good battery. But Yea I wouldn't pay 500 strait up I'm doing next with att
[HTC One A9] fix-this!:
I'll admit it was speedy, no lag but the 617 is still midrange. I'd also assume the at&T model has a unlockable bootloader. Most of the YouTube reviews claim the battery life terrible so we shall see. If one pops up on swappa or craigslist for $300 I'd buy it.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Yea I noticed that every review was different I mean you see the picture I posted I got good performance yesterday. I think when I went to bed I was at 18 hours. And I use my phone. But some reviews said it sucked. Some reviews said sound sucked too . It's not as stereo as my m8 but louder and clearer I think. 300 would be a good price. I want to get this rooted and tinker with the 617
[HTC One A9] sonus:
Would you really prefer a laggy phone with outdated Android 5.x and poor software just to have an 800 series processor? At the end of the day I don't care if a lump of coal is powering the phone if it works perfectly without lag.
[HTC One A9] Quantify:
This. I'm "trading down" my desire EYE for the A9. it's not about the processor class...as long as it works well.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
That's what I'm trying to tell people when they ask about it . The 617 is a marvel of a processor regardless if it's a "mid-range " one. It beats my m8s without a doubt only thing is gaming can be slowed down. I'm in no way a phone gamer so I could care less. It's all about efficiency of performance and it does it . Good battery and smooth performance so I'm happy with it.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
One of the reasons iPhone has always had lower specs is iOS is light it doesn't need it. And I feel that with marshmallow it's lighter then previous builds so it doesn't need 3ghz 12 core processors. This 617 is more then enough and I'm very happy with it. Happier then I was with my more expensive m8.
[HTC One A9] rlvl:
It's a bit crazy when people are not satisfied with an octa core processor.. If your octa-core powered phone lags in anyways, it's not the processor , it's the software(or rather implementation of it) which is at fault.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Exactly. Sure the 810 is a beast, but it is also pumping out a ton of power so the battery will drain faster and usually they put that under a 4K screen which again will drain the battery. So technically compared to the 800 series Yea it's "mid-range" but this a9 doesn't need that overkill power.
[HTC One A9] rlvl:
Now that many of us have gotten our hands on the device, we need to get a review thread underway. How do we request the mods to create that? I am looking for something similar to the Nexus real life review page : http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/review

Talking of first impressions: Loving Android. Had been away for quite a long time. The device has been buttery smooth throughout my higher than moderate usage. The finger print sensor has been largely fault free. The device isn't as slippery as I expected. Guess that's a good thing. Coming to the elephant in the room, the battery: It's OK. Again, my main concern is what happens to the battery life after half a year or more when the battery itself loses it's capacity.
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeAlkpMdMbY

Here's an iPhone 6s vs One A9 comparison. It's good to see the phone is being well received by most reviewers, I can't wait to get mine.
[HTC One A9] ced357:
I have mine for 2 days and i love it ! Very smooth... Iam coming from lg g3 and iPhone 6s
[HTC One A9] weepatc:
Had the phone for over a week now. Overall loving it. Very snappy, nice size & very good quality build. Only real problem I have is I can't get Facebook Contacts to sync unless I use an older version of FB & no contacts widget. Battery life seems better than M8 which was my previous device. I got this to try it out with an open mind & I must say I'm really impressed, much better than expected.
[HTC One A9] CallmeTunde:
I love...

I absolutely love this device but trying to root it has been a real hassle. Hopefully, I can figure it out... :fingers-crossed:
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
Has anyone fitted a tempered glass screen protector to their A9?

If so, does it feel okay with the raised glass screen design?
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
I wouldn't bother. It has gorilla glass 4. Idk if you've seen tests on it but it's stronger then probably any tempered glass you can get.
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
About that.. We may not have gorilla glass 4 on the A9. I know it's mentioned as having GG 4 in many reviews, however it is no longer directly stated on HTC's website. It was mentioned during the verge's review that it uses GG 3, and corning's own website lists the A9 as using gorilla glass 3. http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/products-with-gorilla/htc

It is worth noting that this page on HTC's company site still states "The HTC One A9 features a super-thin metal frame with an elegant finish, expandable SD card memory and edge-to-edge Corning® Gorilla® Glass 4" http://www.htc.com/ca/smartphones/htc-one-a9/buy-b/

I'm fairly certain that nearly all publications are wrong, and the A9 uses GG3.

Slashgear's review specifically mentions this

"...Aircraft-grade 6063 aluminum, Gorilla Glass 3 (though not 4, like HTC had originally said), and narrow strips of embedded polycarbonate ..."

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-a9-review-28412000/
[HTC One A9] notdeadyet02:
I just put one on today because I'm pretty rough on my phones and I'm overly protective. It's not a great fit (due to the rounded or 2.5D glass) and, in my opinion, ruins the beautiful flowing design of the phone.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Good catch. I've noticed that. The glass seems very high quality though I'm positive it's better then my m8
[HTC One A9] Cashreedhar:
I have seen this the day phone was unveiled. The US A9 with 3GB RAM has Gorilla Glass 4 and 2GB version has Gorilla Glass 3. In gorilla website, they rightly listed under gorilla glass 3 - but it is for rest of the world version not US. Maybe, they can't list a phone under two glass models.

Have a look into UK website where HTC just says gorilla glass without the version - http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one-a9/?intcid=home_uk_20151105_a9PDP-primary1

Also, if you look at this 275 meters drop test, the way glass shattered is not the characteristics of gorilla glass 3 which we observed in other drop tests. The glass don't shatter completely and the web effect is reduced in gg4, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbvUGF6gEXI
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
Is the 32gb model available in Taiwan? It must be somewhere in Asia because there are grey imports for sale that aren't the US version. I wonder if all 32gb versions have Gorilla glass 4?

I want the Gorilla glass 4 version because putting a case on this phone just doesn't seem right.. Since the A9 hasn't even been announced in Australia, I'm stuck either waiting for HTC USA to run another $399 promotion and get a friend to post it over or import an Asian model.
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
I've not seen any official statement about the 3/32 having different glass.
[HTC One A9] Cashreedhar:
Yes, but there is a official disclosure of Gorilla Glass 4 HTC US A9 which is 32/3GB. But if you look at UK website it just says Gorilla Glass no mention of version. Isn't it pride to disclose if it has a GG4?
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
But thing is, they only offer the 3/32GB in Canada, and other than that 1 page which I linked to, it does not specify Gorilla Glass 4. In the main page and in the specs section, it just says "Gorilla Glass".

In fact, the 1 page I linked to off the Canadian site reads differently on the American site:

USA SITE:

"The HTC One A9 features a super-thin metal frame with an elegant finish, expandable SD card memory and edge-to-edge Corning® Gorilla® Glass. "

http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-a9/buy-b/

CA SITE:

"The HTC One A9 features a super-thin metal frame with an elegant finish, expandable SD card memory and edge-to-edge Corning® Gorilla® Glass 4"

http://www.htc.com/ca/smartphones/htc-one-a9/buy-b/

It is very clear to me that this sentence was updated to REMOVE the reference to GG4 on the american site, and it was simply missed when they edited the Canadian site.

I feel like HTC is not being very honest with the public by initially advertising as GG4, and instead of correcting the error, they have simply tried to hide it. I feel like this is extremely deceptive marketing and it leaves a bad impression on me.
[HTC One A9] Cashreedhar:
I didn't notice this. When I ordered pretty sure it had the Gorilla Glass 4 in the description. Maybe initial phones shipped with gorilla glass 4 and those released later came with cost cutting ideas? I am sure in the keynote they described it gorilla glass 4. Anyway, as I am waiting on my pre-order of Sprint version, I will better contact HTC
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
I am certain that if you placed your order shortly after the keynote like I did, the site did indeed state Gorilla Glass 4. You can see yourself what the order page looked like back then: https://web.archive.org/web/20151021130348/http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-a9/buy-b/

That is a snapshot from Oct 21 2015, it reads the same as the current Canadian site. There is no way that only the first couple thousand pre-orders got GG4 and the rest won't. We got duped by HTC. I bet the majority of the buyers are fully convinced they have GG4, and HTC seems completely satisfied with leaving it that way.

Isn't this some form of false advertising?

I've created a new topic for discussion: http://xdaforums.com/one-a9/general/a9-gorilla-glass-3-4-t3257199
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Just had a chat with htc tech he confirmed it's 4. I have a us att model. Doubt that makes a difference though. Can someone contact gorilla glass to follow up with them to make sure htc just isn't blowing smoke
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
I've sent an email off to Corning, let's see what they say. I think the HTC rep did a quick google search and told you what he saw.

Also, PocketNow's video review contains the following annotation in the video description:

"UPDATE: HTC has revised the HTC One A9's specs since this video was completed. The One A9 cover glass is Gorilla Glass 3, not Gorilla Glass 4 as previously stated. "

The video was posted Oct 27.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtnSPIZYEXc
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Fukkkkkkk so it is 3. If we can get a confirmation I'd be pissed. I'm passed my 14 days with att I wonder if that's grounds for a swap of phones. I like it a lot but damn if it's only glass 3 and I'm paying over 500 idk about that
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
Sure would have been nice to have been informed by the manufacturer before you laid down that cash, huh? I really feel like HTC has screwed over the last few customers who went out on a limb to give them a second chance.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
We need an answer from cornering because att site also says 4. My father just informed me that his a9 of a week old dropped and has scratches on the screen. If it's true to be 3 I'm having att replace my phone with another kind. I love this so far but I'm not paying 500 for a phone with gorilla 3 on top of the small battery and mid range processor even though I have no complaints of them
[HTC One A9] jmkhenka:
If you guys think that GG 4 would make a difference vs 3 you are just dumb.

SGS6 has it had there is basicly no difference in scratch resistance. Some materials will always be harder then the glass unless they go full saphire. Sand and other minerals is harder then most man made materials.

GG4 is more aimed to be shatter resistant but the scratch resistance (surface) is unchanged and has not proven to be any better then GG3.

If you are returning the phone because its not 4 you will be dissapointed if you get any other device and expect it to be a miracle compared to 3.

Screens will *always* get scratched by sand, and honestly that crap is everywhere. Keys and other normal metals will not scratch the screen during normal usage but minerals will.

stop reading Corning propaganda and buy a good screen protector or just live with damages.
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
I can't speak for everyone but my concern is shatter resistance. I use a tempered glass screen protector on my current phone but the raised glass edges of the A9 don't seem like they would feel nice together.

Also, I prefer no skins, only a tempered glass protector so if I'm going to be using a completely naked phone, I want it to as tough as possible.
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
I get what you're saying, but you're missing the point.

I don't care that GG3 is almost the same as GG4, I care that HTC is running their company like amateurs. If apple or even samsung made a mistake regarding the spec's of it's latest iPhone/Galaxy product, it would be a big deal. They wouldn't be allowed to drag their feet and allow the spread of misinformation like HTC is currently doing.

Is it really too much to expect a company who has been in this business from the beginning to act professionally? There were obvious spelling errors on the A9 product page the day it came out. I get that HTC is taiwanese, but it's still pretty sad.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
I'm fine with 3. It's the moral of it. Htc is trying to get it passed everyone without saying anything. I bought it thinking it was 4 because I was told that.
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
The point is that consumers should be able to trust the manufacturers published specifications so the consumer can compare the against the competition and make a educated decision on their own.

If I bought a car and it was advertised as outputting a certain level of emissions, and then it turns out that what the manufacturer told everyone was incorrect, this would be considered a problem wouldn't it?

If you really think this is about how easily our screen might scratch, you need to look at the bigger picture.
[HTC One A9] Cashreedhar:
I contacted HTC again and they clarified (in email), though the website shows just "corning gorilla glass" the latest version 4 has been used in A9. I trust what they clarify on this and I have reasons not to trust the listings on corning website - for GG4, it shows Acer, Asus, HP and Samsung are the only brands using them, in that case many phone manufacturers are lying? I don't think they update their website properly.

And I don't care what YouTube reviewers say when they review, they're totally biased. Most of them reviewed the phone very bad and using the phone as daily drive is shameful. That's not the topic of discussion here though
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
Then why did they update the site to remove the reference to 4, and why would so many reputable sites mention the use of 3? Believe what you want, but they don't get someone to edit the website and send out notices to reviewers for no reason.

If you haven't already, check for yourself the difference between these 2 websites:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151021130348/http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-a9/buy-b/

http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-a9/buy-b/

(Click the 'Description' tab)
[HTC One A9] nuvision:
What to Do?

For those that have an issue with the G3 or G4 glass.

Are you going to return the phone or keep it?

If you are going to keep it, will you be filing some legal papers against HTC?

Thanks,
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Nothing legal. And no real problem with the difference in 4 and 3. Just the moral of it. I've been an htc fan it for them to mislead me and lie about it is like a slap in the face
[HTC One A9] CarinaPDX:
It is far more likely that the confusion is a result of human error than any intent to mislead. And unless you have any evidence that they are intentionally misleading the public you should stop your accusations immediately, as they are slanderous and have potential legal liabilities of their own which you would be wise to avoid. Sue them for shipping GG3 instead of GG4? Really? Even if that were true (and you clearly do not know that) it would be silly at best. If you had the money for a frivolous lawsuit like that you would just buy a flagship phone and quit whining. In any event, cashreedhar seems to have got the word from the horse's mouth: it's GG4, so stop with the complaining already. Sheesh.
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
This has nothing to do with a lawsuit and this is hardly slanderous, everything that's been said is based on evidence or is personal opinion. There's a clearl reason for confusion, we have different sources reporting different information.

I hope this is merely human error. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

I honestly don't even care about the glass, I just wanted people to notice that something weird is going on about the published information. Everyone is allowed to draw their own conclusions.
[HTC One A9] Newcron:
I agree that slander is overstating it, but so is going on over and over and over about confusion even after multiple reports directly from HTC confirming what it is. It's good for us that you noticed a discrepancy and letting us know about it, but you have been told repeatedly what HTC has confirmed and you simply refuse to believe it. I'm not sure what else do you want.
[HTC One A9] cameron1292:
Yea no way would I do anything legal wise. It's just that they need to be honest with it and admit it. The att rep I talked to today said it sounds like they messed up because they told att it was 4. Not a huge deal I think for me though I don't wanna pay 500 for a phone with last year's tech. The chip is mid range and battery is low but I have no complaints about them they have been great. But the fact that there's phones out like the oneplus 2 and it's cheaper and more powerful it makes no sense to buy this at 500. Which I am on att
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
I think it's a pretty nice phone overall. Here are my impressions so far:

I noticed that compared to my 2014 moto x, the reds on this screen are much less pronounced, at first I thought they looked orange, but red logos like youtube are definitely red. I think the moto's screen is simply less accurate than the a9. Also, the a9's white balance is great, the backlight appears perfectly uniform, and the contrast is really impressive too. The brightness control is the only issue.

The speaker on the phone could definitely use an improvement. I can't even use full volume because it really distorts badly, it's a shame.

The battery and processor seem okay, the phone feels fluid most of the time but I've seen it stutter when scrolling on some websites. As a whole the software runs well and it never really feels like its getting really bogged down, it feels like the resources are well managed. It's easy to take it for granted but the software feels pretty polished.

The battery life has not been great so far, but I've been playing more games on it than I usually would. Typically getting about 3.5hr SOT. It gets warm often, when playing any type of game, even right now as I type using the gesture keyboard. The battery drain is significant when the processor is working.

The headphone output is not much different than my iPhone, but it is better than my oneplus one. The boomsound +Dolby sounds like mere EQ. The volume is definitely strong though.
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
Out of interest, have you been using battery saver to get 3.5hrs of SOT and do you think it even makes any difference?
[HTC One A9] Kardon403:
Yeah I've been using the default power settings, I think the battery saver mode kicks on at 15% remaining. I honestly don't know if it helps much, the battery drain seems significant whenever I use the phone to do more than just check the time or send a text. I'm not about to return the device over it or anything, it's just nice to have more longevity. Today I've gone 8h 43m since being unplugged and I've still got 78% remaining. I only have 43m of SOT though, and I'm connected to WiFi most of the time.

Also regarding the Gorilla Glass issue, it's been confirmed. Check the other thread for more info.
[HTC One A9] perXway1:
The HTC Amaze 4G was like that too. Standby was incredible (even on GB and ICS) but the minute that screen came on, u could watch the battery plummet before ur eyes.

Once I did a test with it. 4:45 SOT with it being unplugged for 7 hours. 3:50 SOT with it being unplugged for 16 hours. Lol
[HTC One A9] Silver.Shadow:
That's due to the UP front facing camera. Gathers way more light than usual. M8 had UP main camera, and a normal 5mp sensor on the front, which is why you see the difference. No night vision or anything. :)

And an amazing hands on overall. Looking forward to buy this once it's available here in India.

Sent from my HTC One_E8 dual sim
[HTC One A9] pasudag:
Hi, I bought version 3GB ram! I can not change the toogle in the Quick settings menu!
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
This is not possible in the A9 because HTC had to keep it stock Android where possible. This is to ensure the 15 day software update is possible.
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
I find the screen colour temperature of the A9 to be very cold.. I'm really not a fan at all. My M8 is so much warmer and looks more colour accurate.

My first impressions of the camera were a little meh but once I viewed the shots on my M8 screen I was actually impressed.
[HTC One A9] mave004:
im thinking in get a pair of A9... this "feddback" is very usefull, whats you think about the "fall resistence",
[HTC One A9] Haz04:
The A9 is solid in most areas. It can be found at a good price for anyone willing to look. My contract is up when the M10 is due so I'll probably get that but it's the perfect phone for my missus because she doesn't appreciate high specs anyway. She wanted an iPhone 6s because she had always had iPhones but is perfectly happy with her A9 now. (40% cheaper btw)

I have no idea about fall resistance because she hasn't dropped it yet. I got a tempered glass screen protector off ebay just in case though.
[HTC One A9] Cashreedhar:
Fall resistance - it's not as slippery as M9 and holds well in hand. I'm getting a glass screen guard for the display, as the display is smoother than required (finger just floats on the screen).
[HTC One A9] mave004:
nice, its for my gf, so that its a important factor jajajaj, and i´m not worrying about the the specs... she only navigate, whatsapp and play in cell :D
[HTC One A9] mrwicked:
Returning my a9. Going use my M8 until the M10 comes out.
[HTC One A9] perXway1:
Just didn't like it? What made you return it?
[HTC One A9] mrwicked:
Actually like my M8 better to be honest. Also been reading up on the rumors about the M10. If they are true and it is released in a few months or so, I would rather spend money on it. And HTC lied to me and offered me the $100 credit to not cancel my preorder. Now they are telling me there is no record of such, and they wouldn't be able to offer the credit for carbon gray A9 anyways..wtf?? lol
[HTC One A9] perXway1:
Lol damn that's messed up. I keep wanting to get the A9, but seeing the stutters in the ui because of that midgrade sd617 and zero development is pushing me away. I really need a replacement for my cracked n5 screen. I'm seriously considering another N5 just until next fall because IMO it's the best phone for the $200 price tag. The 5x is tempting me too, but reviews have all been just meh, and I have nowhere to try it for myself
[HTC One A9] pkinetics:
Curious for an example of stuttering? I have very limited points of reference to other devices, so I'm curious what I should look for.
[HTC One A9] mrwicked:
Ya the lack of development also helped me decide to send back. I always switch between bad boyz and viper roms and really don't see those devs running over to build for the A9. I could be wrong who knows :).