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[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Ah now I see what is going on..... I really thought people were all saying they had bent phones. Bent, at least in my mind, being that the phone is cracked, visibility warped, doesn't function.

But this is one of those "I saw a bunch of OCD people complain about it on a forum so I looked under a microscope and you can't really see but you can almost feel it" type of things. Really, it is your money and I don't care at all what you do with your phone. But to say that everyone's phone will bend, spread all this FUD, is just ridiculous. If you need .05mm sheet of paper to demonstrate an issue, its really not a major issue.
[Nexus 6P General] Stitch!:
Who said everyone's phone will bend? Who is spreading FUD? Who said it's a major issue?

I think everyone here loves the Nexus 6P equally, but to have your new phone show a bend is annoying, especcialy if you take good care of it. My pictures clearly show the problem, and I can assure you its worse in real life. (dent comes back in the reflection of the screen)

I mentioned in my post that I think its a bad batch and I dont think everyone's phone will show the same kind of behaviour. I did order a replacement instead of sending it back for a refund. Don't know why you feel attacked by this thread (again no pun intended) but I think this should be the place to discuss matters like this.
[Nexus 6P General] l_stevens:
Not trying to be argumentative (and I have no "side" to take in this argument), but I can't see the bend in the above pictures. Can someone either post a "head on" pic of the bend, or repost a previous pic with the exact bend location circled so I can see it clearly?
[Nexus 6P General] Stitch!:
No problem;) It is kind of hard to see on the pictures I agree. It also looks like it is curved because of the camera lens, but the first picture shows a nice straight line on the other side.

I am not able to make new pictures now. (since I cannot photograph my own device with the device) but I have highlighted the issue on the picture below. (did my best in paint I hope you can see it)

[IMG="Highlighted"]http://i.imgur.com/BdrXTpk.jpg[/IMG]

Again the pictures dont do it justice. (especially since the quality of the pictures is not the best)

Made them with a s3 mini from a collegue.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Just going back a couple pages:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=65321123&postcount=827

Totally fair enough. If what we are discussing is displayed in your picture as the issue, this is just another Pink Hue thread. Yeah, some people have had real issues. And good for them for doing something about it. But it becomes silly at some point......(guys, does my phone look bent?)
[Nexus 6P General] l_stevens:
So, is it the upper metal bevel (where the phone meets the glass) where the bend is evident?
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I truly wonder if Google puts some type of chemical in the oleophobic coating on their device displays that turns owners who use them in to such evangelists they lose all objectivity.

Here's a link ( https://www.youtube.com/user/JerryRigEverything/videos ) to the "hulk" in question's YouTube page. He torture tests most of the popular phones in the exact same way. The two that fair the worst are the 6P and M9 who coincidentally use a similar design where there's nothing attaching the midframe to the phone body in the center.

So: A) he has some sort of vendetta against HTC and Huawei/Google and treated their phones unfairly, or B) he's validating that certain design choices leave phones more vulnerable than others, or C) the 6P is so perfect that no matter what anyone says they're obviously deluded since any issues aren't real and just imagined by people who don't know perfection when they see it.

There are lots of seemingly normal people in this thread, some who previously posted "mines perfect," that now have bent or twisted phones. Whether people here realize it or not their posts are painting the 6P as the "victim" rather than those who paid big bucks for a phone now bent.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
google accept to replace mine :p
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
The guy is literally Bane..... I am sure there is not a single phone he can't bend if he really tries:

https://www.instagram.com/p/4jo8HePIas/

As for a possible vendetta, he definitely likes his Samsung Note:

http://i.imgur.com/4QQyqdF.png

Edit: Not saying this disproves any of your points, but the objectivity isn't total clear with his videos either.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
True. Standardized tests are preferable and his aren't. But neither are some of the YouTube bend tests that everyone here likes because it makes the point they want them to make. Probably about two thirds of this thread are people refuting the bending issue. That leaves 1/3 of 87 pages of people with the issue. There's no forum on XDA that I'm aware of with so many people having a similar structural issue. So no matter what camp people are in something unusual is happening here.
[Nexus 6P General] hmr44616:
Mine did this too!

I'm glad I'm not alone. I was so confused on how it even happened.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
If I just took the data in here and reddit, people are claiming the phone bends without ever doing anything abusive. So watching videos of people bending phones is just for fun, and not directly related to these issues.

For these cases, this means one of a few things (to me at least):

1) People are lying, forgetting a scenario of force, or just trying to get an RMA without taking responsibility ( I trust people more than I should, lets say this is out). But more than a few mention specific cases. But many people have these cases and don't have bends.

2) There is some sort of magical force that cause the phone to bend (I really don't believe the metal in these phones can bend on its own, or when exposed to the heat of the phone, cold conditions, etc).

3) There is something physically happening with this phone causing a bulge. And I really wouldn't call this bulge a bend. But that is semantics. This could, I would think, most likely be cause by the battery. And as far as I know, no one with this bulge has opened it to look for possible battery swelling.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Yeah, I agree. I've owned upwards of 40 phones over the past several years and I've never had an issue like this personally (which I did with 3 separate 6P's) or seen such a big thread about it.

It's definitely an issue and I'm shocked some people are still denying it. Just because some people don't have the issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

In fact, there have been a lot of people who chimed in saying their 6P was fine and then came back later and say it developed a bend or kink. So this thread might grow with time.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
It's also causing the phone to twist so it doesn't lie flat any longer. I believe it's the same design issue. But that's just my personal opinion and one that's not very popular here. You offered yours which implies people with bent phones are bringing it on themselves or lying to get a new phone. You're not alone in that thinking. It's a public forum so all opinions are valid as long as it doesn't turn in to blood sport or personal attacks. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
I am not sure how you are reading that in my response at all.

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You obviously didn't own an iPhone 6+ or follow the Macrumors threads about it. Just a much fuss as here. Funny, about a bend as well. And there, Apple flat out denied it..... calling it "9 cases". But for some reason they decided to fix the "non issue" in the 6s +.
[Nexus 6P General] habs101:
I work for a retailer in canada for a cell phone company as mentioned in other post, but anyway our demo unit bent in the same way all the units have been bending.. we've had ones right out of the box with kinks around the power button.. even had a few customers which have never heard of xda has the same issue coming back for a solution.

This phone can bend with less... way less force than the iphone 6 fiasco .
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Again, how could a phone bend or twist in a box? Even more reason to think it is perhaps battery swelling during shipping causing it to bulge there.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
If that was the case, Google would need to do a recall. Unstable batteries swelling is a safety issue.
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
Boring
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
That is a very valid point. How could it bend in the box. I think you are on to something with the Baytery. Phones are not made to withstand extreme pressure from the inside out. That combined with the use of very little fastening screws spells disaster. It would also explain the bending out of nowhere. It could be that there is in fact devices with this bad battery that will bend eventually and ones without that will remain fine. I think the YouTube videos are clouding people's ability to logically have a discussion about it. That jerry guy really should disclose the fact that he has Hulk arms in his videos. He has the same arms of that guy who can roll up frying pans against his leg. Not something normal people can do.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
It was most likely bent before it was put in the box and for the same reason(s) they're bending in use. The Chinese assembler making $100 a month probably isn't as OCD as someone actually buying the device and as a value manufacturer who knows what Huawei's QC tolerances are. Everyone here is doing everything they can to explain the issue away but as more phones bend/twist it's going to become increasingly more difficult.

People mentioned the iP6+. The iP6+ forums crucified people reporting the issue initially until it became pretty clear it was a design issue leaving all phones susceptible. I don't think some here would accept what's going on with the 6P as a fault even if Huawei/Google acknowledged it. They'd say they're acknowledging it only to placate complainers and spin it as excellent customer service rather than admission of a fault.

This thread's become more a study of human behavior than it is the tracking of a reported issue.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
OK, then if we believe the reports here, how can it bend when being "babied", never put in a pocket, etc? Bent from the factory as well and they missed it on initial inspection?
[Nexus 6P General] xchasa:
The fact Google are replacing bent phones no questions asked, proves there is an issue and they ARE aware if it.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
yes, look at my post a little bit above.

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Here's what mine look like, i'll send it back to google tomorrow. (built date: 10/25/2015)
[Nexus 6P General] Stitch!:
Wow, mine looks mint compared to that. Noticing you have the white one also, anyone has this problem with another color?
[Nexus 6P General] dratsablive:
This Flexible Prototype Is a Glimpse at Your Future Phone http://gizmodo.com/this-flexible-prototype-is-a-glimpse-at-your-future-pho-1759592057
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Yeah, that doesn't look like a defect but accidental damage. Others I see could be some sort of defect. From that pic, I wouldn't replace it.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
really? the rest of the phone is in superb condition. How can it be accidental damage if the phone was in a case since day 0 and I drop it once? The phone have literally no scratch at all. I don't know when I bended it, probably at the cinema.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
I always took a great care of my phone (skin+case+hard glass screen protector), I really don't know what happen. But if a phone can not take the pressure of normal life, I call the structural engineer BS.

The only time I have my cellphone in my jeans pocket is at the cinema, so this is probably where I bent the phone. I pushed the aluminium back with a flat screwdriver because I can't press the lower volume.
[Nexus 6P General] thamajam:
You need to RMA that thing. This is literally the same deformation (mine was a little less pronounced) in the same location that my 6P had. Like you, I've had it in a case and don't sit down with it in my jeans pocket.

I contacted Google and they asked for a picture. Once I sent the pic they instantly said "we're going to give you a brand new phone". That says to me that they're aware of some issue with some of these phones. It's obviously not everyone but a certain percentage of these phones seem to be spontaneously bowing at the volume rocker for whatever reason.

I think the battery swelling theory is an interesting one. In fact, I showed my coworker the bend and his first reaction was "oh, my iPhone 5c did that exact same thing once, I took it in to Apple and they said the battery had swelled and broke the case of the phone."
[Nexus 6P General] ataft:
Looking at that picture... How could that bent frame occur by putting a force on the phone by sitting or being put into a tight case without the screen cracking or popping out?

I like that some people are considering other reasons as to why some people are getting bent frames, such as through battery swelling or coming bent from the factory, rather than just blindly blaming it on a defective design. The whole point of the thread was to discuss why this was happening, but it took nearly 90 pages to get out of this group-think trap.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
If nobody wants to risk his warranty, I will open my device soon and investigate. I want to mod it anyway ;)
[Nexus 6P General] ataft:
Do it, would love to see the results.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
I´m waiting for a "special delivery" first;) I´m afraid I might break the visor glass though. If everything works out fine, this device will run a lot cooler after too ;)
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
He does Spartan competitions and rock climbing along with weight lifting and likely criss fit training. Regardless of his appearance, his claim N6P bends but S6 or Note 5 doesn't is obnoxious and a lie.

Muscle does matter. It has already been shown phone can withstand 90 lbs of force, most folks would never apply that kind of force and some can't. Jerry has enough strength to do it as if it was cardboard. Muscle matters.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Simple. The aluminum is softer than the components attached to it. Since the midframe and aluminum body flex independently because they aren't secured to each other in the center the aluminum gives first. The cutouts for the finger print sensor and buttons are at the midpoint of the phone so that's the aluminum body's weakest point and that's where every phone has bent.

The phone doesn't get hot enough to weaken the aluminum or overheat the battery. And for those hoping for a battery vs. design issue, why? Is it really better that the battery is causing an unused phone new in the box to be bent when opened? There are six-ish reports in this thread from people whose phone's were bent on arrival.

We use the GFXBench Battery Test to check if these moderate temperatures are a result of excessive throttling. The test repeats the T-Rex test thirty times and logs the performance, the temperature increase and the battery capacity. The results show that the processor can only utilize its full performance in the first run, the second pass is 5% slower and it will continue to drop. The graph reaches the bottom after 25 passes, where the*Snapdragon 810*loses around 25% of its original performance.*​

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Nexus-6P-Smartphone-Review.156819.0.html
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
What do you mean by this? What does better mean? Isn't the whole point to discover a cause to the issue? If people aren't using their phones in the pocket, babying them, come out of the box ok, and they are still becoming bent, wouldn't it be good to have an idea of the cause? If it is faulty batteries, and those are fixed in the manufacturing process or via recall, then wouldn't that mean less people with this issue if true?
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I've been in this thread from the beginning. You obviously haven't because everything you mentioned has been brought up and discussed umpteen times. There's no clear pattern. Phones of all colors, build dates, regions, cased, uncased, pocketed, and with different memory sizes have been reported bent and/or twisted. About a dozen unbelievers here with self-declared "perfect" phones ended up joining the club over time. If you think you can figure it out when others here haven't been able to by all means have at it.

And at the end of the day does it matter whether the issue is caused by heat, the battery, component weakness, or design? Phones are still being reported bent regularly and the list of affected phones keeps growing. There's no thread discussing structural integrity with this post volume on XDA (that I'm aware of) so whatever the cause the issue's most certainly real and based on sheer number of occurrences unique to the 6P.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
You just seem very clouded by previous discussion I guess. I don't see anyone denying that a phone can't bend with enough force, but yes, I have not read all the pages here. I think the more interesting thing is that there have been many just on the last few pages here and on reddit, saying the phone is bending without any force. So in that sense, yeah, I really do think the cause is important.

If phones were just bending in pockets, sat on, dropped.....the discussion would just end at the phone is built with weak aluminum and frame design. And weak aluminum and frame design is obviously a component to why phones are bending without any force. But again, here we don't seem to know the cause.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I'm not convinced the phones aren't bending without force, I think in the correct application it doesn't take much force to bend, my first phone bent withing a week my second one now is about 2 months old and has a very slight warp but not enough to worry about... I have no idea how I bent the first phone but imo it bent with a force that it shouldn't have done I didn't have one instance when I thought I might have damaged it...
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
The kinked ones definitely look like cases putting compression force. Had anyone's kinked without a case?

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I use a slack leather case the phone slides in and out of so the case defo did not cause my issue...
[Nexus 6P General] ZunRob:
I think I might have found a reason for bending!

My first 6P had a loose and rattling volume button. The second one I received was much better, however all the buttons are much deeper into the body. When taking photographs of the buttons of both phones and comparing them I found that there is a very simple reason for the buttons being deeper into the body on device number 2: the aluminium edge is much thicker! https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6XWtmGx6H7UX2NqV25VTjBwRDQ&usp=sharing Look at the white edge between the screen and the carved edge, it is rather small on device 1, but much bigger on device 2.

Might this be the reason for bending?
[Nexus 6P General] vanillapuff:
Is it possible that the case is causing any of the warping? I am using a Spigen rugged armor and my phone bent.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
I used a Spigen Rugged Armor case too but this one is rather soft and doesn´t apply much force. I have my doubts that this case or similar TPU made cases might be the reason for warping or bending the phone.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
Great find!!! i'll compare it with my new nexus 6p (should arrive tomorrow or monday)
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
Why don't those affected create a spreadsheet. Things that might be of interest to be able to sort through.

Date of manufacture

Color

Case used

Other equipment like car holder that might place pressure volume/power

Just a suggestion, maybe a pattern will appear. I'm wondering if it's the cases are the problem when pressing power/volume button?
[Nexus 6P General] konfidential:
11/2015

Aluminum 128GB

Spigen rugged case

Intelliglass screen protector

Dropped a few times with case on...also have the phone in my pocket alot with regular fit jeans

No bends or warps yet... My device is solid.. I feel lucky
[Nexus 6P General] oxxshadow:
Nice observation! You might be on to something
[Nexus 6P General] marc1706:
Could you check if the outer width of the two devices also differs?
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
Well, my 6p isn't lying flat anymore. That took from mid December to now, with the phone mostly but not exclusively residing in my jacket pocket.

Skinny jeans are not a think I wear and it never ever gets put into a back picket.
[Nexus 6P General] RidinNerdy:
So if u don't mind, what are the manufacture dates for the 1st and 2nd one.. 2nd one might be the revisioned version, no?

Thanks in advance
[Nexus 6P General] ZunRob:
There was a difference of about 130 in IMEI, and both were made on the 3th of November. So they are from the same batch. In my eyes this indicates that there are rather large differences between devices, even in one batch.

I don't have specialized measuring tools, but the size appeared to be more or less the same.
[Nexus 6P General] zymphad:
RMA out of question? I think if my phone has issues I will accept it and rid of it when next Nexus arrives.

Seems to me Google major mistake is how they choose the manufacturer, or rather timing. This ought to be done 6 months prior to release of a Nexus? So they would have 1.5 years? Seems to me Huawei did a fantastic job but didn't have enough time for more rigorous long term testing.
[Nexus 6P General] jpeg42:
Just a question, how often did everyone test their phones on a flat table before the 6P? I mean I just did with my iPhone 5 and it rocks. That thing is built like a tank. But its not noticeable, doesn't effect usage, so whats really the big deal? I understand this phone is a lot of money, it could have been made stronger for sure. And I absolutely would try an RMA if my phone spontaneously showed a big visible kink near the volume rocker without me damaging it. But not sitting exactly flat on a table??
[Nexus 6P General] dlads:
My phone feels solid, i'm sorry but if you got to work, pop your phone in your inside pocket, leave it on your desk, pop it back in your pocket, go home, pop it on the side then chill before bed then go sleep after some XDA.

I can't see how it would get bent, that's my day btw.

You must have "MUST HAVE" sat on it, or squashed it somehow!?!?!

Either way it's stresses a phone doesn't need.

I take care of my phones, bending, squashing, standing on, dropping is not something i do.

I haven't dropped a phone since the Desire HD which was several years ago.

It's a £500 lump of tech, take care of it or pay the price.

Your choice

(With respect)
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
The other argument would be that this is a phone that should be capable of day to day use most people put there phone in there pocket if you put this phone in your pocket there's a good chance that sooner or later it will bend for me this is not acceptable, bit tired of people coming on here saying mine is fine must be abuse, it's not I've never damaged any of the previous 25plus smartphones ever yet bent a 6p in 10 days I don't even know how...
[Nexus 6P General] lfc30333:
Wow this is a lot of info, if I talk from users point of view the bent has not been an issue. Unless you actually put in all your effort to break it or you undergo a major physical accident, the phone is quiet sturdy and gives out great user experience.

I wish Huawei could have helped with the mid design and learn from this infrastructure error on future devices.
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
I did it. It was 100% flat and even if you tried to push against the edges, it would not wobble at all...or at least it was not visible. Now I have a nice gap between the buttons and the display too and it wobbles noticeably.
[Nexus 6P General] hka2000:
The nexus 6p doesn't overheat tho