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[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
Not so much a failed architecture, as failed application. The 810 has 4 Cortex A57's, which are *very* badly suited to smartphone application. This chip is a STOPGAP solution to get something that *looks* high end 64 bit out the door QUICKLY in order to hold up against the competition that has pointlessly put out their own 64bit chip.

And realistically, the 810 doesn't perform *poorly*, it just isn't as good as the 805 for this application, and the 805 is *excellent*.

In an application that has the ability to dissipate heat properly, the 810 is a very nice chip. Just imagine how it would perform with a good heatsink and FAN.
[Nexus 6  General] Tigerstown:
The build is much better then nexus 6. And with my uses so far the 6p out shines my nexus 6. So glad I got the 6p and can sell my Nexus 6. Anyone who says the nexus 6 is better then the 6p imo.
[Nexus 6  General] painfree:
Well I guess it does boil down to how you are using it and thus far with my web browsing, image searching the 6P is faster but there is too large of a discrepancy with the benchmarks on a stock unrooted phone so I guess I will RMA this one.
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
The problem which I have with the nexus 6P and in general with both nexus devices this year, samsung devices and Sony devices is that they tried to ripoff iphone design so badly.

Huge top and down bezels, symetric design on the front and lack of exchangeable battery over any practical advantage. Also, alu bodies.

This people dont probably understand that if A user wants a phone that looks like an Iphone, A user will get an Iphone, especially if they can shed out 600+ dolalrs, euros for that thing.

Its dissapointing to see that only LG has kept with the removable battery option. The only reason I currently own a Nexus 6 is because it was a deal that offered it much cheaper than a LG G4 and android updates from Google.

I guess flip phones and old devices for me from now on. Its very sad that iphones still set the standard of "flagships" in 2015.

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Picture that support my claim:

Back side of Nexus 6p and Iphone 6s

http://images.bidnessetc.com/img/96...b6cb77-apple-iphone-6s-vs-huawei-nexus-6p.jpg

Front side of Nexus 6p and Iphone 6S

http://www.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Nexus-6P-Vs-Nexus-5X-Vs-iPhone-6s-Plus.jpg

HTC one A9

http://cdn2.alphr.com/sites/alphr/f...e/public/2015/09/htc_one_a9.jpg?itok=Q0jDYHGz

The iphones at least have front fingerprint sensors. THe nexus 6p has no excuse for giant front bezels.
[Nexus 6  General] painfree:
Actually, today/tomorrow I will be testing the radio on it to see if it is better than the Shamu and if it is then I will most likely be keeping it although I really like the speakers on the Nexus 6 and how the camera works with Manual camera app.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
I guess if I didnt have a nexus 6 now, and wanted one, I would probably opt for a 6p, since its "newer".

But, being an owner of a nexus 6, I don't see any logical reason to "upgrade" to the 6p; wanting the "newer" phone is the only reason i would think about doing it, and that's emotional, not logical..
[Nexus 6  General] raptoro07:
Yeah, this has been my thinking as well. :)
[Nexus 6  General] jeebuspwnz:
My stock 6p on the latest google build scores 57,555 in Antutu. My Nexus6 is on stock rom but unencrypted and custom kernel scores 52-55k.

Geekbench3 my 6p did 1315 single core and 4168 multi-core. I don't have my N6 near me today, but I know it was lower than that.

Androbench my 6p did 231MB/s seq read, 115MB/s seq write, 19.52MB/s random read, and 11.16MB/s random write. My unencrypted Nexus 6 did 222MB/s seq read, 67MB/s seq write, 17MB/s random read, and 16MB/s random write....and that was much much much faster than the encrypted Nexus6 scores were in the past.

So for me at least, the 6p is faster in essentially every benchmark.
[Nexus 6  General] painfree:
I listen to Google Music a lot and I really really like the speakers on Shamu. Question. did your 6P come with the latest build ? I am now a bit hard of hearing and use the speakerphone and am wondering if the lesser speaker on the 6P would be too hard for me as there are times with the 6 it is soft.??
[Nexus 6  General] stevew84:
I just said screw it and processed my return today. I have the Nexus 6 still and I can't find a reason for keeping the 6p.
[Nexus 6  General] 12MaNy:
Damn man. Like I said in another thread, I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on it yet. Returning the case I bought for it today.

Looks like I'm getting either a MotoX Style/Pure, or an LG V10 to play with for a while. Who knows....I may take my N6 over those too. Time to go do some more research.
[Nexus 6  General] stevew84:
Have you held a 6P by chance? I have an old HTC one M7 and its exactly the same color aluminum but feels 10 times more sturdy. There is something "hollow" about the 6P, if that makes sense.

Also, that guy who bent the crap out of the 6P did it again, with a brand new, un-altered one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3cWVdLqXCg

I'm not too worried about bending mine, but it confirmed my suspicion of the pieces not being properly mated together internally. There was some real crappy building decisions somewhere along the way, could only blame Huawei for that.

I'm probably getting a Note 5, if I don't like that I'll just wait until the next incarnation of the flagships.
[Nexus 6  General] jeebuspwnz:
That totally makes sense. I had an m7 too. The build quality of that device was superior in every way.
[Nexus 6  General] stevew84:
All M incarnations have been solid and heavy like a slab of aluminum. The 6P has a nice exterior frame, a free floating mid frame (which causes the ridiculous bending), and a screen which isn't really attached to the outer frame, at least doesn't appear to be during these bend tests. So, the gap between the back cover (where nexus is stamped) and the mid frame causes the device to feel hollow and weak.

I'll gladly take a glass back and aluminum outer frame securely...secured to each other.
[Nexus 6  General] mhughes1966:
How does the Nexus 6P feel in the hand versus the Nexus 6? The 6 is noticeably wider no?
[Nexus 6  General] painfree:
I use all my phones with 2 hands .. even the N5, but I prefer the feel of the N6 in my Diztronic case over the bare 6P
[Nexus 6  General] jeebuspwnz:
6 is wider so it's easier to hold the 6p. But...the 6 has some grip to it and the 6p is sliiiiiiiippery.
[Nexus 6  General] 12MaNy:
Yeah, I played with my buddy's N6p briefly and it definitely felt lighter and kind of hollow compared to other large devices.
[Nexus 6  General] stevew84:
It is what it is. I only have a few more hours with the device so as long as I don't drop it...it will be in the hands of UPS on it's way back to Google.
[Nexus 6  General] 12MaNy:
Just try bot to sit on it or shoot it and I think you'll be ok. Lol
[Nexus 6  General] ECrispy:
LG is easily the most innovative company but they've always been maligned and underrated by most users and media.

LG was the first to have tiny bezels which they still do, they invented back buttons which is now copied in the fingerprint sensor, their skin has all kinds of features yet zero lag unlike Touchwiz.

And their phones get support and updates and are much cheaper.
[Nexus 6  General] nhizzat:
I would have to say Motorola is the most innovative.

Who is copying their back buttons? They're the only OEM with back buttons. Where else would an Android OEM place the finger print sensor? Not in front unless they want Apple to sue them.

Motorola is tops in support/updates and pricing. I don't see LG flagship pricing starting under $400.
[Nexus 6  General] Ale08:
Hi guys, someone have Nexus 5X and Nexus 6?

I'm near to buy one of them.

IMHO all specs are better in Nexus 6 (RAM, ROM space, display in ppi and res, speaker) or very similar (CPU). No idea about the Camera difference. Only fingerprint is a feature I really would (I don't care about USB version).

Moreover in my country Nexus 6 is available 100€ less than Nexus 5X.

What you suggest?

Any comment or opinion is welcome ;)

PS I'm Note1 - N7000 user since 2012. Tired and bored to change ROM monthly with the hope to find a stable one.
[Nexus 6  General] MysticKing32:
I canceled my pre order for the nexus 6p because of the bezels alone. They're ridiculously huge on the top and bottom. Didn't like that so I bought the nexus 6 on eBay for 300 dollars and it was brand new. Don't regret anything
[Nexus 6  General] :
I like 6P in Spigen case a lot more than a 6.
[Nexus 6  General] rasengan82:
OK, I know this is the N6 forums and there is obviously a bias towards the N6. I also own the N6 but to say the 6P is no better than the 6 is just plain lying.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
aside from the camera, what is actually "better"?
[Nexus 6  General] BootloopedMillennials:
Screen. Build quality. Battery life. Speakers touch better, not loudness but actual quality of sound produced.

That wasn't worth $220+ on top of N6 for myself but I can understand.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
without having seen one in person yet, I cant comment on any of those things, but with the sound tweaks I have installed on my N6, I can't imagine the sound being any better, and with about 6hrs SOT regularly, and wireless charging on my desks all the time, which is a major exclusion on the 6P, I can't imagine the battery being an "upgrade" for me.

Screen and build quality are pretty subjective things, as my screen on the N6 is fantastic IMO, and after seeing all the bend videos, and other stuff on the 6P, I'll have to actually play with one for awhile and come to my own conclusion on the build quality..

Like you said, forking out another 200+ for the things you mentioned is pretty much a no go for me too..
[Nexus 6  General] Tylog:
The plan was to get the N5X and / or the 6P. I use the N6 and in some situations the N5.

At the moment I see no Single reason to 5x or 6P to change. Maybe in a few month, maybe not.

The N6 Works like a Charme 6-7 hours Battery, enough for a day, i charge every night whatever battery level say.
[Nexus 6  General] nikeman513:
I'm not arguing. I have the white version and there's nothing bad to say about build quality. I'm very impressed, not so much with the blue, but I got a white version that was a month old on Swappa for $270 and Motorola gave me a 13 month warranty, just for being new to Motorola, I thought that was cool considering all the bad things being said since Lenovo acquisition. I just wanted to know how you are getting 6 hrs? I'm at 73% and I only have had an hour screen time and 10 hours standby. I'm unencrypted, battery saving location, NFC turned off, and ambient and auto brightness turned off and battery is still poor. That's my only gripe, and I'm on newest stock M build.
[Nexus 6  General] trickster2369:
No problem. This with 35% left.

It was all just an illusion
[Nexus 6  General] nikeman513:
How are you getting that though? Are you on stock, stock and mod kernel? I really need to fix my battery life.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
try this rom; read the last few pages of this thread for more info

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/orig-development/rom-cataclysm-nexus-6-t3219121/page234
[Nexus 6  General] trickster2369:
Sorry, not stock. On AOSIP with Franco's kernel.

It was all just an illusion
[Nexus 6  General] Semseddin:
I will take a 2014 ford over 2015 kia or hyundai any day of the week. That is 6 vs 6p for me. One made by motorola and other by the wahwai wtf !

1st week of its shipping arrivals people are rma'ing or cancelling their orders, that should tell you more about wahwai than forum posts.
[Nexus 6  General] 58285:
10 years ago I would've agreed with you but these newer Hyundai/Kia's are really darn nice and good looking. Dare I say more reliable and better designed...

But I'm more of a jeep kinda guy haha. I'd take a 2008 Jeep over a 2014 Ford any day (unless it's a Mustang).

Huawei (funny how my iPad keep auto correcting 'Huawei' to 'Hussein') though I don't really trust or support in anyway. I'll keep my Motorola.
[Nexus 6  General] bill3508:
Id take a Kia over a Ford any day.
[Nexus 6  General] ethutch:
64 bit has to be one of the greatest technology lies of the last 50 years. Probably no consumer needs 64 bit for anything! Even on servers it is more hype than substance.

As for the heat, you are of course dead on. For a while now I've been quite enamored with heat pipes for passive cooling. But that doesn't work if there's nowhere to take the heat TO. And of course the problem is made ten times worse by the fact most people put a thick silicon blanket around their phone; even of you could conduct 100% of the heat to the case there's nowhere for it to go.

The tricks are getting harder and harder and the results are getting less and less dramatic. One of the reasons I kept the N6 is the 6P didn't bring anything interesting - but it did delete most of the features that made me buy the N6. Seldom have I had such an easy choice.
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
... anything is better than a US branded car. ANYTHING.

Ok, well maybe except for Fiat (aka Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep) and Lada.

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Hmm, well... not entirely true.

Though pointless on a *PHONE*, 64bit is highly useful on desktop and server, which typically perform crypto and media processing on CPU, which are the two main applications for 64bit.
[Nexus 6  General] Tigerstown:
This thread is a joke. Keeping tell yourself N6 Is better then 6p. Smh.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
so, you have both phones, and are speaking from personal experience?
[Nexus 6  General] BootloopedMillennials:
Obviously 6ps better. The question is whether its $XXX better. Thats will vary user to user on needs.
[Nexus 6  General] trickster2369:
Is newer, and the specs look better, so it must be true. Keeping my N6. Nothing even tempting to me about the N6P.

It was all just an illusion
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
newer....Yes

better.....still to be determined..
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
If nexus 6p had qualcom 820,it might have been a reason to upgrade.

As for 64 bit. Anyone that talks out of their arse, shouldnt. Learn what 64 bit means

ARM 64 bit is a gimmick. A joke. It doeant even compare to x64 architecture .
[Nexus 6  General] Phrodini:
What sound tweaks and which android version are you using?
[Nexus 6  General] wolfen69:
That's funny, coming from someone who's still on Win 8 and Ubuntu 12. ;) Oh wait, no reason to upgrade? Sounds like some Nexus 6 users here.

I don't think people here are saying the N6 is better per se, just not worth a very minor upgrade when the N6 is still a beast. I'll wait until 2016 or 17 when the difference is much bigger. It's just not worth it for a lot of people.
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
using viper, with various irs enhancments, and running a few different MM roms, all are great!
[Nexus 6  General] Phrodini:
I don't know what I'm doing wrong but viper when installed on pure nexus rom is barely noticeable.. You installed the latest or different version?
[Nexus 6  General] wase4711:
make sure you are using a permissive kernel, or viper wont work
[Nexus 6  General] SubliminalME:
I bought my wife a 5x after returning mine and keeping my nexus 6. The 6 is ridiculously big, of course, but outside of that the best phone I've ever had. 2 hrs of screen on time is pretty average for me, and a 6am to 10pm day usually nets me about 40% battery when I put the thing on the charger at night.

The camera is probably the only place the 5x outshines the 6.

For me, the reason i returned the 5x and kept my 6 was for the speakers, and the output on the headphone jack. Driving down the road with my 5x topped out and my car radio topped out (aux cord) i couldn't even talk on the phone. Same with it on speakerphone. The 6 has the best interal amps I've ever used.

They both seem on par as far as speed in general use.

I bought my Nexus 6 from Amazon Warehouse Deals for $299 and my wife's 5X with 32 GB cost us $429. I wouldn't even put the 5X on par with the 6, IMO, and definitely not work 1.5x the cost.

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[Nexus 6  General] Ale08:
Thanks for feedback Subliminal.

I bought this week a Nexus6.

I'm using it now... 3 days of use now and I am happy of my choice!

Just too big, and no fingerprint sensor!

But all the rest is totally amazing. I love it.
[Nexus 6  General] raptoro07:
I have to agree with you on the speaker situation. Coming from HTC One, the big screen with front facing stereo speakers was the biggest sale to me on the Nexus 6. I wanted a 5.5"+ screen but HATE single or down-firing speakers. I was going to settle for a smaller screen and probably get the M9 (Glad I didn't :)) because listening to music or watching videos is important to me. I think the stereo, front facing speaker is one of the most under appreciated and overlook feature of this phone or any device.
[Nexus 6  General] SubliminalME:
I agree, but I think it's only part of the equation of general audio output. The speakers on the 6 are fantastic, but the internal amps are great, too. Speakerphone is the best I've ever used, and I use it a lot. Music output thru aux. cables is also head and shoulders above the competition.

At any rate, she's still a solid beast. This thing was built to survive more than a year, and I think it shows.
[Nexus 6  General] SchmidtA99:
I think we are getting to the point in phones that the soc upgrades are not that big on a yearly basis. Plus the 810 8 core style cpu isn't needed.

Either a quad core that can clock at lower speeds or more independently would work better.

But the Android os is starting to get a little bloated. More/better optimization needs to take place in it. Similar To the way Linux and some of windows 10 works. More independent modules on the Os. Since Android is feeling like Windows Vista, since it needs a lot of good hardware to work at its best.
[Nexus 6  General] wolfen69:
I disagree with the Vista analogy. The carriers and manufacturers are slowing android down, it's not android itself. My mother's (1st gen) Moto G with its relatively weak specs runs stock android just fine with no hiccups.
[Nexus 6  General] asacado:
I gotta agree with the post above, My older phones and tablets run perfectly fine on old hardware with CM12.1 nightlies. My old tab 3 from sprint is still on 4.4.4 and probably will forever and it is fast enough to work. I hate bloatware and having stockish exp is the best.
[Nexus 6  General] Segnale007:
€659 for a ugly huawei? And do I really want to give up at the stunning speaker audio quality that the shamu deliver?

Naa man..
[Nexus 6  General] Ale08:
Nice feedback bro.

I agree with your vision, and appreciate your point of view and the 'real experience' you wrote. [emoji6]
[Nexus 6  General] Fuse8499:
I figure the 6P is a better device but I saved several hundred dollars buying the N6 and I like the extra screen real estate.
[Nexus 6  General] teddyearp:
I only have one thing to say.

Motorola.
[Nexus 6  General] Fuse8499:
I've owned probably 15 smart phones including those crappy Windows Mobile 6 devices. I was an early adopter of the G1 and can't even tell you how many Android devices I've owned. The N6 is by far the best phone I've ever owned. The battery life far exceeded my expectations and the speaker quality is top notch. I generally hook my Beats Solo2 headphones up to it because I love them but the speaker on this bad boy is A+. This is only my 2nd Motorola device. I also owned the Motorola Blur and that unfortunately sent me running from Motorola. They've certainly redeemed themselves with this device. I would like to play around with a 6P just out of curiosity. But it came down to price difference for me. $400 for the 64 gb white version made my decision easy!
[Nexus 6  General] rsohne:
I have the 6p since Wed and the N6. The 6p is going back this week. Sure the 6p is better in some ways but not worth all the extra money. The 6p reminds me of the difference between an iPhone 6 and iPhone 6s. Sure ones better than the next but maybe not enough to upgrade.
[Nexus 6  General] johninsf:
All this talk about the great Nexus 6 speakers? My N6 speakers have had a strange behavior since I got the phone. When any music, ringtone or notification starts, the volume is really low then jumps up to the actual volume setting after a few seconds

The N6P I am trialing does seem to have slightly less bass but sounds pretty good to my ears. Volume is fine.

The biggest N6P selling point for me is the thinner, narrower frame along with the very smooth performance. When I ordered this phone, I genuinely believed I could not stomach another huge phablet after having used the N6 for the past 4 months. To my surprise, it is much easier to hold the N6P and carry in a pocket. It would be absolutely perfect if it's length were 5.5 inches.

My stock N6 with Marshmallow runs great but is not as smooth as N6P and, while I like it's style, the N6 size has never become familiar. I do, however, appreciate larger screens now and can't go back to a 5 inch screen.

Sent from my N6P - M 6.0
[Nexus 6  General] :
Good stuff here. :good:

I'm getting a new device at Christmas, and its down to the N6 or 6p. I realize specs wise, the 6p should be better. But, I own a Moto X still, and love it. Its been retired due to size and smashed screen. Lol. Currently on an M8.

The N6 might be older, bit its moto. Versus Huawei, which off the bat is a minus in my eyes. I'm not a gamer. I look for quality and function first and foremost.. And Moto is quality in my eyes. Plus, I don't care one bit about camera. I have a camera. ;)

Anyway… you can see I'm mostly decided, and the posts here are definitely helpful.

Thanks guys!
[Nexus 6  General] onemotodroid:
I returned my N6P only because I love using the N6. The upgrade to the 6P was not that big for me to spend $684 (128GB + taxes).
[Nexus 6  General] MikeyNick:
I'm probably switching to the 6P, but only because my company is buying me one. If I had to spend my own money on it, I'd consider it (probably sell the N6 to offset the difference), but since I'm getting one for free, the only reason I'd go back to the N6 is if I really dislike the 6P, at which point I'll only use it for development.
[Nexus 6  General] nrage23:
I have both and have been using the 6P for a week. The 6 is a very good phone but it feels like a brick. The 6P definitely feels more premium in the hand. The slightly narrower width of the 6P makes it much easier to use.

When it comes down to the screen, the 6P is the clear winner since it is the same panel as the Note 5 all be it slightly less bright. I really like the fingerprint reader being on the back of the 6P, since I keep mine in my front pocket and my finger is already on it when I take it out. Both phones feel snappy OS wise but the 6P feels a bit faster. It seems to have faster NAND. A lot of people are harping on the use of the Snapdragon 810 in the 6P. It is much better in the 6P than the HTC One M9. I used the M9 for a while and that thing could fry eggs with the heat it put out.

Lastly the camera, Anyone who has used both devices cannot say the camera on the 6 is in any way better than the 6P. The camera on the 6P is spectacular. I also used the G4 and the S6 for a while and they both take awesome pics. The 6P is easily on par with both of them in the camera department.

I do like Nexus 6 it has been a good phone since I got it a few months ago. It seems people for get how much it cost when it came out. At the current price the Nexus 6 is a great bargain. If you take in to account the original price of the Nexus 6 versus the Nexus 6P, it is hard to find any fault at what you get for your money in the 6P. I bought a 128gb 6P for what a 32gb Nexus 6 cost originally. I will keep my Nexus 6 as a backup phone in case I break the 6P, but I will not be using it again unless I have to use it. The 6P may finally be the phone that stops my wanting to by another phone after a few months. Everyone has opinions and this shows mine after using both devices
[Nexus 6  General] NOSTALGIA:
welcome to the old guys club.. lol