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[Nexus 6P General] Solutions Etcetera:
Par for the course. You have one side spreading a lot of FUD, analyzing their new device with a microscope (looking for the slightest flaw), returning perfectly good phones; i.e. the video looks noisy at 240FPS in low light... and on the other side, folks who think their phones are fine (tired of all the FUD) and think it has to be the user's fault when something is wrong... and of course, some middle ground.

I suppose it is how you look at your phone... a technological upgrade from the bakelite/enamel phones of the 60's, when you could drop kick it across the room and not see a scratch... or the precision microcomputer they really are. I have shopped many a phone on eBay listed in "good" condition, only to be dumbfounded after closer inspection where it looks like it played one period in the NHL as a hockey puck.

It's glass. If you drop it, there's a good chance it will break. It's thin. Really thin. There is no room for a huge metal case to surround it. I have measured the thickness of the aluminum casing. At its thinest point (the majority of the back area) it's 30 thousandths (.030"); not any thicker than the plastic backs that are glued onto the Moto X. Its second thinest area is the stepped area of the sides where the screen meets them... .036". There are other areas that are two to four times thicker than this, such as the sides below where the screen meets them, the area around the imprint scanner, with the thickest parts being the back where it meets the sides, presumably to offer torsional stability vertically. There is very little material to provide that same stability horizontally.

So yeah... it can most likely be bent, but it would still require a fair amount of force, applied just right to do it. I honestly don't know who to blame here. We want bigger batteries, larger displays, thinner phones, and non-plasticky construction... at least that is what we are buying, and that is what the OEMs seem to think we all want. I don't. To me it seems silly to have a phone so thin and slippery I have to put some kind of case on so I can hold on to it securely. Give me a 5.5 incher, with a bigger battery, in something that is 10-12mm thick with a nicely grippy surface.

But alas, I went with the 6P because I wanted Project Fi, and wanted to be back with a Nexus (last phone was a Moto X which was much more robust). I have no issues with it so far, but I treat it more like a MacBook than a phone, same way I have treated all of my phones since the first iPhone. I'm really careful what I do with a tablet in my pants (no, I wasn't just happy to see you), same with this phone.

I understand that there are those that just see it as a tool and don't have the bandwidth to baby it... in that case it is probably not the phone for you. All designs have compromises. Pick one that best fits your usage. If you wear jeans all the time, keep the phone in a pocket, and sit, squat, or bend over without being cognizent of the pressure exerted across the device, you might bend it. It's simply too big, and too thin.

As always, YMMV.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I think you'll find in the right application this phone doesn't require a fair amount of force to bend it...
[Nexus 6P General] Solutions Etcetera:
Well... I have yet to see that demonstrated. The guy on Jerry rig who bent them in half was a gorilla. If you have a link that shows it bending under minimal force, by all means post it.
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
he said is small sister can bend this also..
[Nexus 6P General] Solutions Etcetera:
He said a lot. But for someone who loves posting vids, why not upload one really showing how easily it's bent.

Like I said, I haven't seen it demonstrated. Until I do, or until mine bends, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
[Nexus 6P General] Badouken:
Same! I have had this phone for almost three months now and haven't used a case and keep it in my front pocket; no issues., no bending, no problem! :)
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
Same. Had mine over 2 months and have even slept on it drunk in my pocket.

I agree, that Jerry rig guy is a joke. Who cares if he says his little sister can bend it. I hate the mentality of " he said it, so it must be true". What we saw with our own eyes was a muscle man bending a really skinny phone. That's the only fact from that video. I bet he could have done that to any phablet on the market. I bet he could do that to my inspire4g. Now that doesn't mean this device does not have a flaw, but come on people. Let's stop watching YouTube for facts.
[Nexus 6P General] richie.slayer:
Ive had three nexus 6Ps and all of them had inconsistent thickness with the aluminum. Is this common?

Or just bad luck. Attached pics below, disappointing build quality. (see the top of the phone, the thickness of the aluminum decreases from left to right)
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I'm only speaking from personal experience I bent my first nexus 6p in 10days, i have no idea how, which is what worries me the most if i had sat on it, or dropped it, or done anything that could have led to it bending then fair enough, its never in my trouser pocket, its never in any situation where it should bend yet it did hence my comment, i'm on my second one this one is about a month old and no issues so fingers crossed I don't get any, but i was genuinly how the hell has this happened with my first i actually thought it must be heat from the processor etc because like i said above i've always looked after my phones, my 2 and a bit year old HTC M8 is still like new...
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
It's these posts that make me believe not all are equally as effected or as weak. It's not unheard of for small batches to experience issues during production that separate batches do not. [MENTION=2295449]wakers[/MENTION] said he treated the second one no different and it is fine. I have put mine through the same abuse I do any other phone, and mine is fine. I am aware of the poor design and the lack of screws securing the middle, cheap aluminum, etc.. (This is Barry's queue lol). I'm not saying they couldn't have done more about the structure. Huawei isn't off the hook here, because some phones are in fact warping/bending and that's not OK for even one device. But, I don't care if mine bends, because I can afford a new one. So I have not been careful by any means. And no bends or cracked glass or anything. If, and/or when it does bend, don't worry, this will be the first place I share it. I just don't see it happening. And if its just a warped molding on the edge then I really am not going to care. To those that have bent devices, that sucks, and I'm sorry. Your anger is valid.
[Nexus 6P General] detonation:
Just noticed today my phone is bending - slightly bent in next to the power button and bent out next to the volume rocker. Have had it since mid November, no case, rest of the phone mint condition still. Kind of disheartening that it bent this easily this soon with normal use and worries me about how much worse it will inevitably get, especially for someone that relies on keeping a high resale value since I switch phones a couple times a year. Guess I'll try my luck with a warranty RMA.
[Nexus 6P General] mr mystery:
I've already RMA'ed my 6P I got in November due to the bend in the same places. My replacement is also showing the same signs of bending, albeit very slight, but still visible. I think I'm going to RMA this one as well and then sell the replacement new sealed in box. This is just stupid. Such a beautful phone ruined by poor build materials.
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
No integrity, passing on the same negative energy to someone not privy to bend gate....

Truly ingenious. The American way

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[Nexus 6P General] detonation:
What phone are you going with instead? I had the same thoughts (sell the brand new replacement) but there isn't a better phone on the market. Moto X Pure is close but I'd miss the fingerprint reader and superior camera.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
The Moto X Force which is the non-CDMA/non-branded version of the Droid Turbo 2 can be imported from the UK for $575. Some folks talked about it earlier in this thread. Being a non-carrier phone updates would be close to Nexus speed. No one has to worry about durability, the display survived a nine story drop. ;)

http://www.handtec.co.uk/motorola-moto-x-force-32gb-smartphone-black.html
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
New in the box? Is Google giving out new phones on RMAs?
[Nexus 6P General] mr mystery:
My first replacement was...
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
Maybe they still don't have enough refurbished phones to use on RMAs.
[Nexus 6P General] mikespe:
WOW! Reading all these threads with all the issues wit the phone and the poor customer service I received from Google yesterday I am regretting ordering this phone due to arrive Monday. And I haven't even received or used the phone yet!!! I was going to get a Squaretrade plan for the phone since I plan on going caseless but I am thinking I might just either try the phone for a week or just refuse the delivery from FedEx to get a refund. When I researched this phone the past 3-4 weeks watching all the youtube videos and reading a ton of reviews from all the reputable sites (XDA, Android Central, etc) they all praised the quality of this phone and the "premium" feel of the phone. If the phone bends while putting on a case that's not very "premium"!!!!
[Nexus 6P General] rice923:
The reason you hear and read so much praise is simple: there are far more flawless 6p than there are bending ones. I'm not saying the ones that bent are excusable, but rather it's statistically insignificant in the bigger picture. Yes, Huawei and Google should absolutely address this concern, but the device is still a fantastic product.
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
Not bent after 2+ months

Title says it all - no case, and lives in my back pocket

Hahaha
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I've followed this thread from the begining and a dozen-ish folks here that were as smug as you are joined the club. A sister club is folks whose phones are twisting and won't lay square on a flat surface any longer. Both issues are caused by the fact there's nothing securing the midframe to the aluminum body. Huawei's never used this design before and moved to a mutually reinforcing design for the Mate 8. That design is used by every other OEM except HTC on their earlier One's. A design weakness isn't going to go away as much as some here would like it to.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
Yeah careful. Lot of butt hurting going on here. Lmfao.
[Nexus 6P General] xringo:
Anyone elses nexus 6p shaking when laid on a table? I remember when I got it like 2 days ago I put it on the table and just pressed the sides and it didn't tilt or shake, but now it seems to be shaking/tilting.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
That's what starts to happen to the ones bending. It seems to happen very shortly after getting the device and with no obvious incident.
[Nexus 6P General] xringo:
Damn that sucks. Haven't notice any bending or any dents. Hopefully it stays like this. Noticed on my galaxy s2 (old phone) it also shakes and tilts on flat surfaces
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
The SGS2 was launched in May 2011. If that's what you were using prior to the 6P the fact it's alive is a tribute to both you and Samsung. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] jimfoster:
I'm a bit disappointed to read this thread. The question remains though is this an inherent design flaw? Or is it limited to a minority of 6Ps? (that are faulty because of a bad mechanical component or poor assembly). I was tempted by the Oneplus 2 and I'm sure it is a more durable device (at the expense of being 9.9mm thick and not very pretty).
[Nexus 6P General] thegrants82:
Using a phone for 5 years in your mind means a tribute to the phone and the user?
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Such a nice phone ruined by poor design and build quality. A real shame and bad work by Huawei.
[Nexus 6P General] dasunsrule32:
I bought myself one and my wife one.

My wife's developed a very small "crinkle" around the volume keys. New phone should be here today. Also, gorilla glass sucks, it has a long scratch on it from no where. She babies that phone...
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
Gorilla glass for isn't rubbish. Its not scratch proof. Without a screen protector bits of dirt/sand will scratch it. Especially in your pocket or a bag
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Phone's (including the 6P) have an oleophobic coating to prevent finger print oil. It scratches fairly easily so it may be it and not the actual GG4 display that's got blemishes.

Some 6P's have had issues with their oleophobic coating application so in this pic you can see the difference from the naked display glass.
[Nexus 6P General] andrewnelson23:
Mine also bent after two days. I returned it to best buy and should get my replacement on Wednesday! Also coming on Wednesday is my spigen case, so hopefully nothing like this happens again.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I'm still confused why people are getting replacements for phones that are bending without doing anything crazy to them. Is something going to be different about the new one? Is this a phone you will feel comfortable carrying for the next 1-2 years after bending after only a few days?

Color me confused. I guess stock Android really does cloud the mind. :what:
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
You've been bouncing around trashing the device wherever you can. We get it. You are not impressed. Move on....
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Naw, quite the opposite. The device is pretty great and has even better potential. Maybe HTC will realize that potential.

At the end of the day, every device from all manufacturers have issues.

I like to follow and be active in forums of devices that I have owned. Nothing wrong with that to my knowledge.

I'm asking honest questions. Sorry if I struck a nerve.
[Nexus 6P General] andrewnelson23:
Hmm well maybe it's the $500 I just dropped on this. I've been saving for this. Don't wanna go back to my note 3. Only a small portion of these devices have this issue anyway. Stop your condescension.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
That's my point. You can spend less and get a much more well built device like a Moto X or plenty of other mint devices on Swappa, etc.

I'm not trying to be negative, I just hate to see people end up in bad situations. Best of luck to you.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
I just got the impression you were trying to sway people away from this device. I must have interpreted it wrong.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Well I'm certainly not giving it a full recommendation. It has issues that can't be denied. But it's a great device for the tinker and minimalist crowd.

So yeah, definitely get it if that's what you're looking for.
[Nexus 6P General] andrewnelson23:
I actually bought a moto x pure before buying the 6p. I switched it out because I felt like I was settling. The moto x pure also has its build issues. My moto x pure had a jacked up vibration mechanism (it was ridiculously loud). So I exchanged it at best buy for my 6p and another $100. I returned mine after the bend issue because I paid that money, I expect to get what I paid for. If this issue happens on my new device, I'll get my money back. But from my research it's only an issue on a small subset of devices. It's a great device for anyone, not just the tinker/minimalist crowd.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
Thats actually a pretty fair question i'm on my second 6p after bending my first and to be honest if i could have got a refund i would have done, but I had to have another one and if that bent i can get a refund, i'm fortunate that it only needs to last me another 6months and my work contract is up and i'll get something else then, I've altered how i carry this phone I don't put it in any pockets anymore loose or tight, shouldn't have to baby it like this but I feel to make it last i need too... I may have just been unlucky I hope so...

Just edit to add I really like this phone and it'll be a sad day when i do replace it, but the first bent so easily i'm paranoid about it now :(
[Nexus 6P General] Cleva1:
Neither of the two devices I had bent. I had a 128gb Alum and now Gold 64gb.

I like everyone else bought some type of case. I used the ultra clear air cushion Spigen case. Did not like the added bulk. I much rather use a naked device I need to "feel" what I'm using. I also noticed that our put slight scratches on my device where the case connected.

Something is causing the device to bend like that, not sure who or what but there's some common trait going on.

Finally, if you work in an industry where you are say in Rugged environment casing up your phone is logically to protect it but to me it removed the natural feeling of the device a compromise I'm not willing to make. I did buy a sieve pouch case carry the device in my bag. I'm also cautious careful when using my device. I treat it safely as best I can. No issues no worries. I would never use a touch screen device as fancy as this in rough places at a gym construction site etc. I would have a cheap work device and my personal device would remittance m remain blemish free.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
People always want to feel good about their purchase decisions, it's human nature. So not wanting to accept a flaw or weakness that undermines a purchase selection is pretty normal

Of all the device forums on XDA Nexus forums are the most cult like. Whether it's Google's (the Android mother ship) sponsorship, the anti-establishment nature (EG: anti-Samsung) of Nexus, or just the personality types attracted to the brand, the loyalty to Nexus/Google is unique.

Huawei is not a high-end manufacturer, they're a high-value manufacturer. Name one product line anywhere where a Chinese manufacturer is the category or market leader. If the 6P was a Huawei branded phone people would generally accept some corners were cut to deliver high specs at a low(er) price point. Add the Google/Nexus name and all objectivity is lost. Hence the defensiveness and denial shown by some in this thread.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
Oh here we go. Barry is coming to tell us all how it is and we need just bow. All Hale Barry and his infinite wisdom. Lol

Do you even post in any other threads?
[Nexus 6P General] rice923:
Nowhere in his last post did it suggest how anybody should act. Rather, he provided a rational explanation as to why people act the way they do in these forums.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
I'm just giving him a hard time. He only posts in this thread and posts the same things over and over. I'm convinced he is a robot. I didn't know he had a fan club lol.
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
Bent or bowed. I noticed it when I used the touchscreen and felt like the screen was not dead flat. I am not sure if they are made this way ?
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
You should be able to bend that straight again
[Nexus 6P General] mlin:
I get what you're saying, but I dont think this is an issue of cutting corners. Huawei could've easily built the phone with the same materials but preventing this issue. The problem lies in the design... there's too much empty space running across the width of the phone around the power button. This doesn't mean the phone is of poor quality, just a misstep in design with unfortunate consequences.
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
#bendgate all over again
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Ouch. :eek:

The design choice wasn't unintentional. It's a less labor intensive design (two screws at the top and 4 at the bottom securing the midframe to the aluminum body) to build whereas most designs have a minimum 11+ screws all around the sides of the phone. A simplistic design also results in less assembly line rejects which reduces production costs.

The new Mate 8 is using a traditional design and one comparable to other OEMs. So Huawei is conscious of the choices they've made or are making.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Another honest question...why should anyone have to even do that after purchasing a $500+ device?
[Nexus 6P General] bouchigo:
You shouldn't have to do that.

There's a couple of really simple solutions. If you bought the phone, and you are not happy with it, for whatever reason, then return it. The second solution, don't purchase the phone at all.

If you absolutely must have the phone, then realize that you will have to be extra careful with this phone, more so than you would be with most phones. I'm pushing 2 months with this phone without a single bend, ding, dent, etc.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
The most logical and rational post I think I've seen in this thread. :thumbup:
[Nexus 6P General] nj1266:
That will only make the metal weaker. Just leave it alone and RMA it.
[Nexus 6P General] mlin:
Are you suggesting that this design choice mandates the space around the power button? If so, please elaborate because I don't understand how the two aren't mutually exclusive.
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
Because its the best phone in the world and better than anything else on the market....end of
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Lol.
[Nexus 6P General] thegrants82:
I totally agree
[Nexus 6P General] l0ud_sil3nc3:
Add me to the list, I have been using a Diztronic TPU case since launch with no issues, however I ordered a few cheapie clear transparent cases from ebay and not even three days after using it I have notice above the power button is bent. I have never dropped this device, it never goes in a back pocket, and has been treated properly since day one and still the same bend that most have posted in this thread right above the power button.

RMA will be here today, now just to decide whether to open and use or just sell it and move forward (leaning towards the latter).
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
Software wise, yes. Hardware wise a big no!
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Portable wireless devices are a pain in the ass to design. Heat dissipation, antenna placement, and allowable distance between radio wave generating components have to be taken in to account from a packaging perspective. Then you have component quality, component specs, weight, dimensions, materials, and aesthetics which are competitively driven. With all that durability and longevity has to be factored in with the former set by the industry and the latter affecting cost/volume of warranty repairs. Any of today’s flagship smartphones are a work of art considering how much crap is crammed in to so little space.

That said, cost of production is an important controllable variable and factors highly in to the choice of design and the overall profitability of an individual device. The 6P’s design allows the midframe and aluminum body to flex independently of each other because they’re only bound at the top and bottom of the phone. With few exceptions OEMs use a mutually reinforcing design where the midframe and body are attached at so many points they function as a single unit in resisting bending and flexing. Done well that design makes each component stronger than they could be on their own.

That lack of mutual support places tremendous pressure on the 6P’s aluminum body when bent; especially where it’s been weakened by the cutouts for the fingerprint sensor and buttons. The battery in the 6P runs the width of the phone and its upper edge ends about 1/3 from the top. That ending point is where the cutouts are and make that area vulnerable. So the right combination of forces cause the body to bend at that, its weakest point. That point is exactly where the two 6P’s in the YouTube video everyone here hates bent.

I’m armchair quarterbacking but looking at the Mate 8 and 6P that were both being developed at the same time the only reason I can guess the 6P’s design was chosen was for economy.
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
I know. Lol. Even someone suggesting bending it back after metal has already been bent one way made me giggle. It would probably snap the screen !

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You talk sense. So you have a background in component engineering or electronics etc ?
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
As good as my s6. It's not that bad.