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[Nexus 6P General] nj1266:
Not all aluminum is the same. The aluminum 6000 alloy that the iPhone 6is made of and maybe the 6P too is weak. If you put the large phone in your pocket and sit and stand regularly your phone will be caught at an angle between your upper thigh and your torso. Eventually, that repetitive motion bends the phone at its weakest point. The weakest point is where you have the volume rocker and the on/off switch close to each other on the 6P.

Apple learned from its mistake in 2014 and for 2015 used zinc reenforced 7000 aluminum alloy. Samsung did the same with the S6. Huawei did not because they wanted to keep the phone at a low price point.

The only way to prevent this from happening for the 6p is to use a holster. There is no other way. If you put it in your pocket, you will make a mistake and sit down awkwardly and bend the phone. It will happen. Why risk it. Get a holster. I did that when I had my iPhone 6 and it is straight as an arrow. I know have a 6s Plus and I got so use to having a holster that I got one for the 6s Plus.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
True, but aluminum 7000 series is still weaker than aluminum 6000/7000 and a plastic or glass back combo. The 6s+ will bend, but only in extreme comditions. However, while, say a LG G4 or MX Pure Edition will flex easier than your 6s+, plastic locks out and reforms, unlike aluminum. Aluminum is best used as a frame, like the S6 or the Moto X Pure Edition. And by the way, the S6 does not use 7000 series aluminum. It uses 6000 series aluminum of the 6013 variety. So structurally, a thin aluminum unibody phone will always be weaker than a metal frame plastic/glass combo phone or an entirely plastic phone. The only way we would not have problems with bending (6 plus, HTC M8 and M9) and deforming (Nexus 6p) is if we utilized tungsten (too expensive), titanium (a bit expensive) even though it flexes and returns back to shape and is almost as strong as steel, or you guessed it, steel (too heavy). Or we could stop making skinny aluminum unibody phones. The Yu Yutopia will have this exact same problem. So will the HTC one A9, just like the M9.
[Nexus 6P General] nj1266:
The iPhone uses 7000 aluminum alloy. I did not know that S6 did not.

http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/design/

Anything will bend if you apply enough force to it, you are correct about that. But as phones become taller, bending becomes a bigger problem. Using stronger aluminum makes bending LESS likely. It does not eliminate it 100%.

Here is an article that includes a bend test video for the iPhone 6s. It is nearly unbend able.

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...ws-off-nearly-unbendable-7000-series-aluminum

People believe, rightly or wrongly, that plastic is not premium. This is what the consumer wants. They want metal smartphones. Metal smartphones are more expensive to make than polycarbonate ones. The problem for Huawei is they were tasked with making a premium phone while keeping costs down. So they chose cheaper aluminum alloy. It is the choice of materials as well as putting the volume rocker and the on off button in close vicinity to each other that made the chassis weak.

Nothing can be done about it until the next Nexus is designed. Apple learned the hard way and so will Google.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
I beg to differ. The problem for Huawei was not to keep costs down, but it instead was that Huawei was tasked with building a high end phone for Google with only 7 months development time. Most companies get around 2 years to build and develop new devices. There is something that Huawei could do to at least minimize the problem; they could reinforce the weak point by the power button and volume rocker, like Apple did with their 6 plus when the problem grew too big. That is why newer iPhone 6 Plus smartphones do not bend as easy as when they were first released. Now don't get me wrong, the 6 plus bending problem was never completely fixed, due to same aluminum type, but the reinforcement done late 2014/early 2015 definitely helped. The 6s+ put a definite stopper on this, using 7000 series alloy. Huawei could do something like this, reinforcing the frame's weak point by the volume rocker.. Basically the error is because the phone was rushed.
[Nexus 6P General] easycure1974:
Apple never reinforced or changed the design of the 6 plus to stop it from bending. Just a false internet rumours
[Nexus 6P General] nj1266:
If i remember correctly, the talk of Apple re-enforcing the 6 plus on later iPhone 6s was just a myth. Someone on Reddit said that it was the case but it was never confirmed.

I doubt that Huawei will do anything to fix this. It will be hard to add internal metal pieces to a very tight space inside the chassis. It will also make others who own prior phones to demand recalls on theirs. Can you imagine the PR headache for Huawei and Google. Just like Apple did nothing, Huawei will probably do nothing.

Whether it was rushed or not, it was clear after the Apple iPhone 6 bend gate that using weak aluminum alloy is a bad idea. Huawei decided to do it anyway. Now there is another bend gate.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
That's totally rediculous. If an effective design couldn't be developed in the time allotted they shouldn't have responded to Google's RFP. Would people be so forgiving if Samsung, LG, or Motorola released a rushed phone with a durability issue?

The design of the 6P is cheap to produce labor wise and with less assembly rejects and that's why it was chosen. The midframe is only secured to the aluminum body with six screws; two at the top, four at the bottom, and none in the middle. The latter is what allows the midframe and body to flex independently of each other and that's what's causing the kinking and diagonal twisting. Samsung, LG, and Motorola all use a mutually reinforcing design where the midframe and body are secured with as many as 22 screws all around the edges of their phones and well in to the center. That design point is why they don't bend and flex.

There are videos a couple of pages back that prove otherwise.
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
The Note 5 and S6 Edge+ also use 7000 series aluminum. The S6/S6 edge missed that boat according to Samsung's website.

http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-note5/design/

http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-s6-edge-plus/design/
[Nexus 6P General] easycure1974:
That is pure bs :) I work with apple products everyday and the latest 6 Plus in no difference in design or less bendable than the first batch. The 6s Plus is a different story, have not been able to bend mine but my five month old 6 Plus was slightly bent when I sold it in September
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
You're right - my bad. I thought you were saying the 6s+ didn't use a different design. The 6+'s design hasn't changed. But still, the 6+ doesn't bend anywhere as easily as the 6P or HTC's phones. The latter two use similar designs (nothing attaches the midframe to the body in the center).
[Nexus 6P General] konfidential01:
2 months later and my 128gb still in perfect condition.. Using a spigen case also
[Nexus 6P General] easycure1974:
Yeah the 6P seems to bend very easily at the volume and power button compared to the 6 Plus
[Nexus 6P General] dreimanis:
Mine's bent too.

Hello, peeps!

I have mine bent at the very same place by the volume button.

Not the biggest of bends, but still it's there.

Too bad I can't figure out how to add pictures to a post.
[Nexus 6P General] jcarlm:
I know this is going to sound stupid to some but I'm considering returning my device before this might happen to me, I know that it might not as well. But this is getting out of hand and I still have my nexus 6.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
That means nobody should've responded to any RFPs; LG only had 7 months with Google, too. Apologies, I was wrong about the 6 plus being reinforced, it was not. Honestly it wasn't Huawei's and LG's fault that they only had 7 months' development time, it was Google who had a lot of other projects to worry about, so this was google's fault for not planning ahead. Normally, Huawei devices are way more solid than this. If Google only had this amount of time to get a nexus built and produced, they should already have the structure to build the damned things themselves. Their nexus line should have been proprietary by now; Google should've learned from their previous mistakes.

If you make a smartphone with a unibody, then the only way for the midframe not to be floating is if the companies made the screws visible on the outside. I apologize if I sound like I am generalizing, but this is the truth: All smartphones with Aluminum 6000 Series Alloy unibodies will have bending problems, unless the manufacturers did a "frame inside a frame design", where you had the outer frame (unibody) and inside the unibody (supported by screws on the top and bottom edges) was another aluminum frame and a plastic backing (with screws going around the perimeter of the device; unibody screws into this). When the outer aluminum unibody is removed, the screws along the top and bottom of the plastic back are removed. Then, one would remove the screws along the side edges of the device, then you would get to the internal components. That is the only way we would not have bending problems with aluminum 6000 unibody phones. Below are some devices that will have bending problems of varying degree.

Yu Yutopia, HTC One M8 and M9, this device we are talking about, last years' iPhones, quite possibly Meizu MX5, Meizu PRO 5, maybe LeTV X800, X900, Elephone P7000, P8000, Vowney, ZTE Axon models, etc.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
It's all these hip kids and their skinny jeans with their phones in the back pocket. I've never sat on my device before and I've never had any of the "strange" issues people have reported about every device that comes out. There is always a bend thread. A crappy battery thread. A my phone rattles thread, etc. My user habits with a device never results in damage to the phone.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Look at the difference in design between the 6P and just released Mate 8. The aluminum back cover is just that. The body of the phone is metal with deep channeling along the sides for added rigidity. The midrame is attached to the body with multiple screws for mutual reinforcement. The aluminum back cover is attached to the body with the same six screws as the 6P but the body of the phone, not the back cover, is what provides resistance to bending and flexing. The Mate 8's design is more costly to produce both in parts and labor. So Huawei does know how to build durable metal unibody phones.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I never put my phone in my pocket, i've never sat on a phone accidentally either, I've also in 15-20 previous smartphones I've owned never managed to scratch, dent, have a rattle or any other defect at all, less than 10days my 6p was bent I have no idea why but the same place as everyone else has bent, only slightly but still bent, to many people are saying the same thing, my previous phone is a nexus 6 that's over 9 months old no issues...
[Nexus 6P General] mr mystery:
Mine bent in the same place. I've RMA'ed and received a replacement but I'm not impressed. Don't know what bent it, if it was case etc. But I have a Verus, a Spigen Thin Fit and a Diztronic. Afraid to use any bit also afraid I may drop it as its slippery. Definite design flaw I'm not happy about.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
And I bet you the aluminum cover is 7000 series. You do have a point; the Mate 8 is much more structurally sound than the Nexus 6P or most other unibody smartphones. If the shell is 6000 series, you will still have problems with kinking around its weakest point. The mid frame probably won't budge.
[Nexus 6P General] kyle1b1:
Mine has bent in the same place while I have been using a spigen rugged armour which is just a tpu case. Started using a nillkin forested hard back to add a bit of strength.
[Nexus 6P General] Rogoshin:
How many has a bent phone so far?
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
Don't understand what your asking sorry
[Nexus 6P General] jal3223:
To see how broad the issue really is.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
I'm thinking it's from cases. I've noticed a trend reading that people that bend them seem to mostly use a case. Maybe the specs Huawei published are off just enough to stress it right at its weakest point. I've had mine over a month, never in a case, and it doesn't even seem weak in the middle.
[Nexus 6P General] M@rs:
Do you carry it on your pocket?

If yes, front or back?
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
Always in my front left pocket with the screen facing my leg. And never anything else in pocket either. This is how I have always carried my smartphone since my iPhone 3g.
[Nexus 6P General] nj1266:
Unfortunately you cannot carry weak phones like this one or the iPhone 6 Plus in your pocket. They will bend. All you need is for your torso and upper thigh to catch the phone at an angle for it to bend. I would suggest getting a holster or getting a stronger phone like the Note 5 or 6s Plus. These two phones are made from stronger aluminum alloy and should not easily bend.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I'd guess there's been about 20ish reports in this thread and less than 40 throughout the forum.

As for cases, I don't think it's the case per se. Cases in general are form fitting and can require a lot of pressure to get off and on. It's that stress that's causing the bending and warping. A 6P could be bent being put in a case but no one would known unless they took the case off. Even then if it's bent you wouldn't know if it was being put in or taken out of the case that caused it. Based on the design I think all 6P's are susceptible but there may be some odd combination of movements that actually cause it to happen. Otherwise there would be a lot more reports than we've seen.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
I wasn't worried about mine bending. I was just responding to a question. I got insurance anyways so I don't care if it does bend. I just noticed a lot of people posting that their case felt really tight and case users seem to be the ones with the warped molding above the volume buttons. The phone isn't actually bending.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Bending is cosmetic which in and of itself isn't covered. Someone in this thread posted a response from Google to their RMA request that basically said that. Huawei themselves ended up replacing the poster's phone.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
I'm not on googles warranty. I'm on a squaretrade plan with accidental damage protection. The only drawback is that it doesn't cover lost or theft.
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
I'm carrying mine in my right front pocket by itself like I always have. No issues at all.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Well, this happened to me...it twisted. Looking straight at the screen, it's like the top half twisted left and the bottom half right. In didn't get pix but explained below.

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6p/general/warped-t3279327
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
What I have seen a trend in though is people putting on or removing a case could bend it. I don't know if its a widespread issue or isolated to a specific flaw that is affecting only some of these devices. I don't at all want to discredit anyone who is having an issue because that sucks.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Getting personal isn't going to make this issue go away. Phones are bending, kinking, and twisting and that's a fact. A single thread to post and track the quantity is a good thing even if it pisses some here off.

I read the thread that offended everyone differently. People want to feel good about their purchase and many are extremely brand loyal. No one wants to hear there may be an endemic problem. But, like iPhone's bendgate, people with perfect phones may find themselves on the other end of the issue if the issue becomes more pervasive. 18 out of 20 (two were bent during assembly) phones reported bent here were "perfect" right up until they weren't.

I mostly lurk in this forum and can't help but notice that every thread started to discuss a negative issue is met with attacks on the OP even though s/he is a fellow 6P owner. A couple (EG: 6.0.1 created issues) were initially treated the same way until it became clear all phones were affected. Phones get the forums they deserve and nothing can change that. This thread would drop off the front page or appear there less if every bending report wasn't followed by three "mines perfect" posts and two about "skinny jeans."
[Nexus 6P General] Clark Joseph Kent:
Thread Cleaned of the back and forth of the nonsense, and it will be the last cleaning, any more...this thread will be closed.
[Nexus 6P General] 2Pints:
Im one of those sitting on the fence with regards to purchasing a nexus 6p, however on the bent front some of the shop display models are already bet/kinked around the power button.

This one is in Carphone wherehouse in Nottingham, apologies for the poor quality

View attachment 3591470

How much of an issue is this?

ive read through some of the replies on here, and a mobile phone is just that, mobile and as such it should be expected to survive being placed and carried in a pocket without any damage or issues.

If i do end up purchasing then it will be kept inside a folio type case - however ive also read that some cases cause the phone to bend/get damaged.

Anyway for now i will carry on with my nexus5 (old model)
[Nexus 6P General] Phazmos:
And mine has been in my back pocket since I got it, no problem.

And I can't believe this thread is still going.
[Nexus 6P General] jamgam:
Mine bent at the volume buttons also. Just noticed today. Only been in front pocket and typically I take it out before I sit down. Disappointing to say the least
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
It's still going because people keep bending them, ironically mine seems to be slightly concave, if I put it face down on a flat surface you can see the centre of the screen is maybe 1-2mm raised but the other direction to the way they have been bending and has been from new...
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I got a 64gb on the $50 off deal to replace my 32gb. It was bent right out of the box. Wobbles when it's face down on a flat surface and I can't get any screen protector to stick to the bottom right corner of the glass.

I'm giving up on this phone completely. Just got a V10 on Swappa today. Not like anyone cares, but that's my story. I don't have time to play the exchange game working 2 jobs.
[Nexus 6P General] oxxshadow:
And got yours from Google Play I am assuming? So it seems like even the 6Ps sold in Canada are being bent, which worries me
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
Could've gotten a Droid Turbo 2; I have one and am typing on it right now; great device. No lag whatsoever, battery life as advertised, great screen.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I'm not on Verizon. Would an unlocked one work on AT&T?
[Nexus 6P General] rice923:
It'll work, but I don't think you'll get any LTE. You can still make calls and get HSPA from what I was told by a Verizon rep
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
Well, my unit is going down the toilet too.. It´s slightly warped now if you try to put it flat on its face on the table. I wear regular jeans, not that skinny stuff made for girls or lady-boys. I always put my phone in my front left pocket without anything else in it and used a Spigen Rugged Armor Case. The case itself is not very strong and I have my doubts that this one is the reason.

Huawei really needs to release a new revision because this phone is not as solid as it looks. Now it´s only a matter of time until I have a faulty area around the volume buttons too..
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
The Moto X Force is the same phone and looks like it would...

http://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-x-force
[Nexus 6P General] kyle1b1:
I often put mine in my front pocket and also use the same case. The case is soft and offers no strength so I swapped it out for a nillkin frosted hard back to add a bit of strengh. Isn't gettting any worse now.
[Nexus 6P General] konfidential:
No bends or dents here using spigen case... Almost 3 months in with aluminum 128GB version... I'm beginning to think I got lucky
[Nexus 6P General] jal3223:
Maybe we can convince these guys to make an "anti-bend" case for the 6p like they did for the Iphone 6s plus. It looks pretty thin.

http://punkcase.com/products/iphone...t=7317635777&gclid=CPrw2OKRhMoCFQEdaQodGZkDGA

If anyone is interested shoot Ghostek an email. Maybe they will consider it.
[Nexus 6P General] Lightarrow:
I've had mine for over a month without bending. I often carry it in my pocket but I am careful when pants are too tight (common sense). I'm using the speck candyshell case and intelliarmor screen protector.
[Nexus 6P General] aygriffith:
Mine's still kicking bend free and its a day 1 order. Its in the black and carbon-fiber Spigen case.

The one snarky comment I will make is: Be careful or you'll get what you ask for. Years of "METAL MOAR PREMIUM SAMSUCK STUPID" threads on XDA has given us all of these easily damaged metal body phones. Plastic is better for heavily used, heavily abused devices. Save the aluminum for the front of your fridge, I'd be happy with my plastic on plastic on plastic Blackberry 7100 that I literally threw at walls (disgruntled salesman problems) back in the early/mid 2000's.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
I'm in the same boat. I doubt all units are effected. Or at least they caught it at some point. I agree plastic is more durable. Metal looks nice but I agree it should be function over form.
[Nexus 6P General] hello00:
this is a total disappointment..at one point in your life it will eventually happen
[Nexus 6P General] DroidOnRoids:
I usually workout and do squats with a phone in my front pocket. Guess I gotta change my ways with a phone sitting in my gym bag now. Lame.
[Nexus 6P General] stm8:
I REALLY have to stop reading this thread. It's giving me bad dreams!

The other night, I had a dream that I forgot to take my N6P out of my back pocket before sitting down. I realized right away what I had done! I stood up and took my phone out of my pocket right away.

Sure enough, when I popped the case off, the phone was bent between the volume and power buttons. It looked a lot like some of the pictures posted here.

That freaked me out a little bit.
[Nexus 6P General] Seiga:
Kind of like Prostate Cancer for guys. We all have it, it's just a matter of time before it kicks in.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
An unlocked one would work on atnt; and it actually would work on their lte. It does support all the lte bands, and someone ported one to T-Mobile in the dt2 thread, and said it worked perfectly. Would've gotten the nexus if it didn't have durability issues. But hey, the DT2 is about as good as the Nexus everywhere else.
[Nexus 6P General] nedooo:
Like brain, we all have it but some never discovers that fact...
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I would believe that if your grammar was a little better. :p
[Nexus 6P General] nedooo:
Check for freedom in poetry...and I see clearly that you believe in sarcasm my dear correspondent...
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
I always love trying to figure out what foreign figures of speech mean. lol.

"Check for freedom in poetry"?

I digress....
[Nexus 6P General] holic_2:
Mine rocked on the table slightly right out of the box.
[Nexus 6P General] Henrock11:
Mine has the tiniest wobble when laid face down on the table too. Been in a case since day 1and I make sure to adjust it before I sit down to not put extra pressure on it. I feel like most will have that tiny wobble from factory. Luckily no kink around the buttons yet and I Don't know if I'm going to keep if yet.
[Nexus 6P General] PaisanNYC:
I don't know if you noticed, they actually have one made for the Nexus 5x! Its listed under the older Nexus 6, but its there:

http://punkcase.com/collections/nex...rranty-rubberized-fitted-smooth-non-slip-grip