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[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Its mass and thickness when mounted to the subframe add rigidity.

Samsung, LG, and Motorola all use the same design where the subframe is mounted to the body of phone with screws around all the edges of the phone including well in to the center. Resistance to bending and flexing is provided by the parts mutually reinforcing each other. The 6P subframe is only secured to the body of the phone at the top and bottom allowing them to flex individually. That flex in the center is what's causing the kink.

You're like the eighth person in the past three pages that's said something like this. Why should any single phone have to be treated differently than every other phone? Other OEMs design for their phones being placed in pockets, sat on, and to withstand use phones typically see. Why not Huawei? Apple changed the iP6+ design in the 2015 version to provide added strength. That's their admission the first version wasn't designed well. Phones lead rough lives and that should be designed for.
[Nexus 6P General] Valynor:
All the thin metal phones will bend if you apply enough force, that's just physics. Aluminum sure looks and feels like a premium material, but it does not flex back. Once pushed beyond a certain point it's bent and it stays bent. Customers demand ever thinner phones with excellent haptic qualities and that's the price we have to pay, I guess. If you insist on carrying your phone in your jeans pockets you should probably buy a smaller phone without a metal body or use a rigid case.

That being said I don't feel like the N6P is flimsy and bends easily, in fact it looks and feels quite solid to me. I'm not ever going to carry it in my jeans pockets, though.
[Nexus 6P General] xxxdc5:
Not surprised that their aluminum is $hi+. The first 6p I received was cracked along the frame above the SIM tray and I had to RMA it

*See attached*
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I totally agree. OEMs are taking form over function a bit too far. Apple shrank the battery (already a problem area) on the iP6 to make it thinner. Now they may replace the standard headphone jack with a lightning cable version to get even thinner on the iP7 thus rendering anyone's existing headphones useless without an adapter. You also won't be able to charge the phone while using a headset. A bit too far IMHO.

Glass and metal are now considered "premium." I dropped my Note 5 half on grass and half on the concrete patio two hours after I got it and the glass back panel spider webbed from the corner that hit the ground. One of their previous plastic-backed phones would have come out unscathed. But "pretty" now trumps functional. C'est la vie. ;)

Here's something to think about and I'm not posting it to be derogatory. Huawei is not a high-end phone manufacturer; they're a high-value phone manufacturer similar to Xiaomi and OnePlus (Oppo).

The afforementioned companies sell 90% of their product in emerging markets; mostly China. Look at the difference in average selling pricing between China and Western markets. I'd imagine customer expectation in China is very different than Western markets when you factor in price paid. Can these companies build high-end phones going forward? Sure they can. But it's not their current expertise or what's contributed to their success.

They use high-end third party components on par with other high-end phones but sell their devices for far less. They can do that because they reduce costs in areas people can't see and don't evaluate. The design chosen for the 6P is a lot faster to assemble and a lot more forgiving in terms of putting it together accurately. That eliminates a ton of assembly line rejects and allows them to produce more devices with less labor. That design point is a key difference between Huawei and other OEMs selling high price flagships.

Speaking of labor, companies selling heavily in Western markets have their labor practices scrutinized. Both Apple and Samsung have been dinged for practices in the plants they or third parties working for them use in China and Vietnam. By avoiding Western markets the Chinese vendors aren't scrutinized. So I'd guess their aggregate labor costs are lower than brands we all know and follow.

If the 6P was a Ascend Mate 6P vs. a Google-endorsed Nexus I don't think people here would be so defensive about some of what's popped up at launch. Google put out detailed specs in the form of an RFP for their 2015 big Nexus. They didn't design the phone; that was left to the bidding OEMs. So Huawei "won" the bid and it's their h/w engineers that sold the design to Google and they alone are responsible for the outcome.

Food for thought. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I'm aware that phones are getting thinner and bigger I never put my phone in my jeans I never sit on it, it's in its case whenever I'm not using it, it sits in a compartment in my car, sits on my desk in work, it's looked after about as much as you can look after a phone yet somehow in 10days mine bent only very slightly admittedly but it bent, i've never scratched a screen, or bent anything else I have a 2yr old HTC M8 I take mountain biking twice a week that's not bent, this nexus is a pukka phone but the build is poor design, there's too many people with issues to ignore this fact...
[Nexus 6P General] ovoxo.:
This is probably the major reason, aside from a couple minor ones, that I'm considering sending back my 6P. Where else am I supposed to keep my phone? I'm not going to carry it around all the time. I had an iPhone 6 that was slightly bent and the display was starting to slowly detach from the frame in the lower corner. With my 6S+ I always sit down with the phone in my front pocket and have no issues at all. There's no point of being consciously aware of what actions I have to take to protect a piece of metal.
[Nexus 6P General] Valynor:
I carry mine proudly in a man purse :cool: (or inside a jacket pocket).
[Nexus 6P General] Wildo6882:
The 6P is pretty much my perfect Android phone. Aside from the hardware issues. I just can't trust it for the long haul and don't want to have to constantly keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't break.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Lots of you are overreacting to be honest. I'm not denying this can or hasn't happened. Not at all. But to not get the phone because of the fear of it is sad really. I'm the most OCD person in the world and nothing has happened to my phone in a month.

To each his own.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
Whilst I agree with you and the phone is a great phone I need this to last 2yrs fingers crossed it does, but I wouldn't put any money on it...
[Nexus 6P General] 06stang:
So many people freaking out about everything. One phone was bent. Out of how many? Some people's kids...
[Nexus 6P General] maconsultant:
I hear you bro. I'm still pending so I'm on the fence now also.

Sent from another Nexus..

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[Nexus 6P General] designgears:
Looks like you were careless and slapped it around... nothing to see here, move along.
[Nexus 6P General] jeebuspwnz:
I like the design and feel of this phone but it doesn't feel very durable. This thread doesn't surprise me.
[Nexus 6P General] con100:
Lots of people overreacting in this thread.
[Nexus 6P General] MrDSL:
I guess you guys will never buy a car..

Damn those recalls!!!
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
For sure.. The overreacting is hella strong in this thread and other threads. It's sad to see. One person posts unsubstantiated claims and 4 people are like "oh crap garbage cancelled my order". I want to believe people aren't this ridiculous and its all fake but here we are.

Sent from a phone that is not a 128GB Frost Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] LNJ:
Seems pretty plausible to me considering how soft aluminum is and where the bends actually occured!

I see a lot of sunk cost fallacy comments at play but the pics speak louder than words!
[Nexus 6P General] droidguy22:
As mentioned in the other Graphite discolor thread:

I'll take this with a grain a salt. This is just one guy reporting it. Who knows how he was treating his device..
[Nexus 6P General] LNJ:
A defect is a defect and it really doesn't matter how many people come forward to report it!

You don't need a strength of a mob to prove anything. You just need facts...
[Nexus 6P General] macked:
I promise you it was fine this morning when I put the case on and I absolutely did not bang it around. It sat on my desk most of the day playing music except when I went to a meeting and a 20 min walk after lunch. Not exactly a grueling day.
[Nexus 6P General] 06stang:
You need proof of more than one unit. It has to be a pattern in order to justify calling it bad production or issue with the whole line.
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
Crap I'm going to have to figure out how to refuse delivery of this garbage phone tomorrow.

/s since I probably have to with this bunch

Sent from a phone that is not a 128GB Frost Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] 06stang:
Good. After you cancel yours maybe another member can get theirs sooner. Thanks for your sacrifices

I won't even edit that now that I saw the ”/S" haha got me
[Nexus 6P General] maconsultant:
So what are you still doing on XDA. You should be figuring out how to refuse your delivery..

Sent from another Nexus..

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[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
Boom. No one's getting baby. Best phone or best phone ever.. Only two choices.

Sent from a phone that is not a 128GB Frost Nexus 6P

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Sigh.. The heads are hard in this place..

Sent from a phone that is not a 128GB Frost Nexus 6P
[Nexus 6P General] maconsultant:
Welcome to the real world..

Sent from another Nexus..

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[Nexus 6P General] joshuadjohnson22:
lol how is this even possible? Mine is so tight at those locations. That case must have really latched on and you must have pulled it off hard.
[Nexus 6P General] Lightarrow:
I got the Candyshell case. I have been carrying the phone in my pocket without any issues. I think the candyshell does add quite a bit of strength to the phone.

I really hope I don't encounter this issue.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
The 6P forum is very active with 54,484 posts in General and Q&A. The Note 5 forum is at 18,764. With all those people on the 6P forum the number of reports of bending isn't really that high and the trend of reports isn't growing exponentially.

While there's a potential vulnerability in the design maybe there's something occurring in assembly that leaves a certain percentage of phones more vulnerable than others. Or there's some specific user action or combination of actions that happens infrequently that causes bending/flexing. If the 6P were frail this thread would be a hell of a lot longer.

I'd suggest that people put their cases on side-to-side vs. top-to-bottom. That'll aleviate putting horizontal pressure on the cutout area of the metal frame.

When things like this happen on any device time tells how prevalent it is. This thread isn't growing at an alarming rate when you consider how many owners are in this forum. So time will tell how big a deal this really is.
[Nexus 6P General] markdexter:
The speck case is the way to go!! Definitely adds strength and peace of mind!!
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
not every person knows about XDA developer web site..

some people are BIOS and unfair.

samething was said about HTC one m8/m9 and iphone 6 bending. so Huawei nexus is not the only one bending. but people still buy it. if you really want it.

even HTC one m8 bend easily on youtube videos but i had that phone few months ago. didn't bend in my jeans.
[Nexus 6P General] wendellc:
using the official google case and i dont have this issue.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I didn't see any bending complaints about HTC's phones on their forums so I did a little digging. It/they use a similar design to Huawei's with similar results.

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The mid-frame is secured to the the aluminum body at the top and bottom with nothing securing them together in the center. So it bends under pressure at the power button cutout which weakens the aluminum frame. The difference between it and the 6P is the aluminum body is much thicker (as is the phone) and the metal sides are much taller adding additional support. So it takes significantly more force to bend it than the 6P. But it bends much easier than traditional designs.

The iP6+ is in a different league and bends similarly to non-aluminum phones.

The iP6+ (original) fares far better than either the 6P or M9; even with "bendgate."

The iP6s+ requires a level of strength to bend it that is so extreme it's highly unlikely normal use would affect it.

So the moral of the story is the Asian OEMs haven't yet figured out how to design stout unibody phones. That and two wrongs (HTC and Huawei) don't make a right. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] :
That's some bad luck, mine is as good as new..
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
I don't know about others here but I find the "mine's perfect" responses in this thread kind of humorous. With the exception of two people who posted there's was bent out of the box the problem's occurring over time. So all the bent 6Ps were perfect too. Right up until they weren't. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] hka2000:
I didn't even know htc was Asian lol?
[Nexus 6P General] superstephan:
strange

seems like a production flaw! mine feels fine after weeks of use with skinny jeans
[Nexus 6P General] 3's&7's:
Mine bent after three days of business travel in a supcase unicorn beetle hybrid in/out of jeans pockets. Phone now wobbles from the camera corner to its diagonal (opposite) end. $580 for a 64gb phone shouldn't do this; back to google it goes.

Too bad, cool phone otherwise.
[Nexus 6P General] xSilas43:
2 weeks no case in out of jeans no problems, now I have the adopted case for about another 2 weeks and and still no issues, maybe you guys got defective devices, this devices really relies on the glass for protection. Maybe some minor cracks somewhere or internally.
[Nexus 6P General] bipoler:
I'm still not sure I follow why people are trying to bend their several hundred dollar purchase.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
Um I didn't want to bend mine infact I really really don't want to bend it but the first one I had did, didn't do it on purpose I'm not sure how it happened and that's what worries me most...
[Nexus 6P General] FlowingAway:
Same here with the diagonal wobble. Top left corner seems to be the bent section. It's almost unnoticeable to the eye unless you're really looking for it.

Do you guys think I should return it?
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
Up to you

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
[Nexus 6P General] rice923:
If the rest of your phone is perfect, just keep it. Not worth your effort. Like you said, you won't notice it unless you're looking for it. And chances are, you only looked for it because of the commotion caused by this thread. Even if you exchange, you'll end up digging for a flaw in the new one the moment you open the box.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I think you should return it, if it's not right send it back, only by sending them back will it make Google / Huawei put there hands up about build issue's but it's your call
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
They aren't gonna throw their hands up because 20 OCD people on xda reported this problem to them and did a RMA.
[Nexus 6P General] sdelcegno:
This is a design issue not build. We won't see a fix till the next nexus phone is out. I baby my phones even take it out of my pocket before bending down. And my phone is in a hybrid case that stiff. I got the diagonal wobble also.
[Nexus 6P General] trsix:
Made in China

Made in China. Not many products made in red china are built to last.
[Nexus 6P General] 3's&7's:
No need to be rude [MENTION=1026832]WizeGuyDezignz[/MENTION] and its in the thousands at this point. I started the RMA on a Saturday and by Monday it was worse.

Once this defect starts, it will only go down hill from there, plenty of evidence to show this.

That was my 2nd unit btw this happened with. For the $ it is really unfortunate, BC its otherwise a really great device.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
So I bought a £440 phone then 10days later noticed it was bent so took it back for a new one and that means I have OCD?
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
if you got the 2nd device and still bending then get something like Note 5 or s6 edge+ Plus. problem solved
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
What I don't get is why everyone's so emotional. Some phones are bending and twisting and people are reporting it. That's a good thing as it'll show how big an issue it is. So far they've all bent in the same place (at the cutout in the metal frame). It would be nice to know what caused it but there's been no common theme.

Most of the people whose phones bent have posted pretty rationally and have said how much they enjoy the phone. So no one's been ranting or flaming because it happened to them. Some folks though whether to protect the Google/Nexus/Huawei name or to reinforce their own purchase of the "best phone in the world" attack those with bent phones as if they are neurotic or brought it on themselves. I assume no one wants their phone bent no matter how it occurs.

This thread dropped off the first page for a couple of days which is a good thing in terms of how pervasive an issue this is. But if this turns out to be a big issue the reports are only going to grow over time and skewering the people affected won't change that. It'll only get a mod in the thread to ***** slap those that don't follow XDA's T&C regarding personal attacks.

Let the thread roll peacefully to see where it goes.
[Nexus 6P General] nj1266:
Absolutely. This is the same issue that the iPhone 6 Plus experienced and to a lesser extent the iPhone 6 simply because it was shorter. Apple fixed this problem with the S version by using stronger aluminum and reinforcing the section that bends.

As I said before, the best remedy for those who have the phone is to use a hip holster. That will prevent unintentional bending when sitting with the phone in your pocket.
[Nexus 6P General] sdelcegno:
Honestly unless your looking you won't notice. I normally care and would replace the phone but it will just happen again. I will wait 6 months and see if they fixed this if not I'll get a new one for the heck of it. Honestly otherwise its the best phone ive ever owned I love it and it runs beautiful. The only improvements too me would be brighter screen by a bit and stronger build. Otherwise it's great and no other phone on the market I would trade it for.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
That is true. Since aluminum does not flex and return back to its original shape as well as plastic does, the very soft aluminum will bend where there is pretty much no support. If there were screws running around the entire device like motorolas and samsungs, then that area would either get a very tiny kink or will not bend at all, due to the screws supporting the midframe, which is floating on this device. And usually devices with screws running the entire frame have plastic or glass backings, and not metal unibodies like this nexus. Trust me, my iPhone 5S bent after about 2 days of being inside of an otterbox prefix case (the cheapest otter-box) that was not made properly. If this phone had a plastic back it would be as straight as a wall.
[Nexus 6P General] bipoler:
I have the Spigen Ultra clear "air cushion" case. No bend so far
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
Difference here is that Huawei has an excuse here, HTC doesn't. HTC is also Taiwanese, folks. Huawei's excuse is that google only had 7 months' time to spend planning, producing, and developing these devices with LG and Huawei, so they had to find designs that they could throw together in the time they had with the companies. Both devices have their own design flaws, of which are emphasized even more with the metal unibody. FYI smartphone manufacturers have around a 2 year smartphone development cycle, as opposed to 7 months. That HTC had a normal development cycle, and it still bent like that. Nexus 6p is nearly perfect otherwise, but since I need durability, I'll just get DT2 and port it to T-Mobile cuz Verizon is too expensive, battery is better, camera is almost as good (Look at DxOmark) and I can expand storage. Did I mention it has durability and it won't crumple like an aluminum can?
[Nexus 6P General] cygnus56:
I join the group, this mine is begun to bend,
[Nexus 6P General] davwman:
What the hell do you people do to your $500+ devices. This thing is solid as a rock! Not nexus 6 (shamu) solid but, solid to the point that I'm not afraid of bending it.

P.S.

I work outside for a railroad.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
It's clearly unfortunately not as solid as a rock, what the bend test shows same as all the photos there's a week spot for sure by the power button, if you tweak the phone a certain way then it bends quite easy I would add, however it seems for most other forces it's up to the job, but to many pics of these phones bending in the same area defo points to a design flaw, pretty hard to argue that really
[Nexus 6P General] cygnus56:
the fact that all phones are folded in exactly the same area clearly means a design error. I am quite sure that my terminal has not been exposed to pressure or the pants or anything, without further bending.
[Nexus 6P General] razorj7:
Hello!

Who exactly did you speak with? Which number did you call if you don't mind? I called Play support, and used my Nexus Protect thingy and they charged me the $79 deductible =(. Which is bull because I didn't bend the damn thing!

your info would be super helpful!

Thanks!
[Nexus 6P General] razorj7:
I just posted above, and I have the 32g grey 6P

I don't use cases, since I don't like how they bulk up the phone and lessen the experience (imo). However, I have never ever had a phone bend on me, nor have I ever been careless with my devices. I keep my phone in my front pants pocket, no skinny jeans, and I've never had an issue.

Just got the 6P a couple days ago, and already I just noticed a slight bend near the volume keys, just as in the other pictures in this thread. Seriously? I just used the 5x for over a month, and had no such issues. Had no case on the 5x, kept it in my front pants pocket. I even asked Google Nexus Protect support, and the lady suggested I don't get the phone in my pants pockets at all... That's crazy! It's a phone! Why would I not want it in my pants pocket?!

Welp, I had to pay the $79 deductible, going to definitely try and get that refunded. I'm super super hoping that I just got a fluke device, and I have no more issues, because this is some serious crap otherwise.

Pray for me! haha
[Nexus 6P General] macked:
I went to my order history page on the Play store and went through the RMA process from there.
[Nexus 6P General] razorj7:
Have you received your new one yet? Anything you think you'll do differently?
[Nexus 6P General] cygnus56:
It is noteworthy that nothing is an isolated problem, saw a few days ago htc one m8 with the same problem, I bent right next to the volume buttons, and the owner told me he also never pressurized.
[Nexus 6P General] TurboBot247:
And this is why I will never buy another aluminum unibody smartphone. My iP5S is even worse than the deformations by the volume rocker, my phone literally bent in my case after a week of being in it. Since these aluminum phones have unibodies, you cannot mount support screws on the sides of the devices without them being visible, unless the frame was seperate from the back, which would be plastic or glass, if the phone was manufactured that way.
[Nexus 6P General] thegrants82:
Then it's a bendable rock.