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[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Product management with hardware engineers/designers reporting to me. I've had to make decisions (some of them in retrospect regrettable) balancing the things I referenced above in the quest for profitability.

The 6P's design isn't a fail. If it were more would be bending. But it is vulnerable in certain situations otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.
[Nexus 6P General] HzMeister:
lol are you being serious or joking?
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
I will let you decide?
[Nexus 6P General] crylentino:
lol not sure if serious

Apologies if this has already been said/posted, but there's a video on Youtube where he bends it quite easily. Can't post links yet.
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
That was a fake. We've been over this
[Nexus 6P General] umbrokhan:
how is it fake? when he bend two Nexus 6P.

His youtube account got lots of followers. if it was fake then no one will follow him on Youtube. and he won't get lots of views on his video.

no one wants to see the truth or hear the truth. or they ignore the truth.

Don't buy the phone if you think its going to bend.

If you really need and want the Nexus 6P phone then stop complaining about the bend. Just baby sit the phone to be on the safe side..
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
I know you think you are bringing some knowledge, but read back. This thread has covered everything. And a lot of peoples butts are hurt

That jerry rig guy could probably bend a frying pan in half. There is a weak point in the design but not all units are effected. Besides the hardware this is a great device. That is if you want to start basic and add what you need. If you want every possible app installed for stuff you probably will never use, then Sam is calling your name.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
As for the bend tests, there are two. One for the glass half full people and one for the glass half empty.

Glass half full...

[YOUTUBE]SHBPjCa2_xI[/YOUTUBE]

In this test the phone is braced in such a way that all the weight being applied to it is being distributed evenly.

Glass half empty...

[YOUTUBE]r3cWVdLqXCg[/YOUTUBE]

Here Jerry is applying pressure to the center of the phone. With the weakest link being above the battery where the cutouts are. The results are what you'd expect.

For reference, here's how the original iP6+ fared in Jerry's hands. I'm assuming he treated both phones equally. The degree of bending is far less on the iP6+.

For giggles, here's Jerry and the HTC One M8. It uses the same design as the 6P where the midframe isn't secured on the sides. It fares exactly the same adjusted for the fact it's a smaller phone with a smaller display.
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
This is getting boring now
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
The aluminium is definitely soft and they probably should have used a strong her grade or just constructed it differently as it's flat tall. Oh well. I am happy as had both g4 and s6 and prefer this phone even though I know it will bend at some point.
[Nexus 6P General] jakdillard:
I got mine on Monday and I've looked over the phone at the point where they bend and I think that they may have changed the frame slightly to add more support around the buttons.
[Nexus 6P General] pdpatdwyer:
Hello all, first post here

I've been researching this phone for a while now and was really excited about it, but was avoiding this thread

After going through the whole thing, I think I'm still going to buy it. (Really need to upgrade my verizon s4 and looking forward to try out vanilla android)

FWIW, I will be treating this as any other phone, kept in front pocket with nothing else, and see how it holds up to what I would consider very normal everyday use

Just a thought, all these bend tests seem to all be bending the phone the same direction. But looking at the 'common' bends in the phones above the power button, I'd say that's a result of the phone bending the other way

cheers
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Any change to the components (thinner/thicker<>specs/output) or to the design would be considered a material change by the FCC and other East/West wireless certification bodies. The phone would have to be retested and assigned a differentiating model number even if it were outwardly identical. Changing composition of the aluminum body or re-working the internals would require the phone be resubmitted for certification. If that happened or were to happen we'd hear about it.
[Nexus 6P General] HzMeister:
That vid is definitely not fake - not only can it be completely destroyed with your bare hands but gingerly handling it will result in kinks/bends. The 6p is one of the most disappointing phones to come out in a while an I feel bad for anyone who bought one.
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
Nothing fake about both of those videos, if anything looks faked it would be the reply videos with people fake straining.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
Yeah that's true for me, I think the video highlights where the weakness is, but everyday use seems to bend the other direction.
[Nexus 6P General] jakdillard:
Hmm I guess man honestly I really don't give a ****, but from looking at an article on Google Now it seems Samsung may have added something to the Note 5 to keep the S-Pen from getting stuck when the "end user" inserts it backwards. Point is small revisions happen (Nexus 5 speaker holes) (Galaxy S6 home button) (OnePlus One screen adhesive), and I could be wrong but I don't think they all go through FCC, my N6P is straight, probably will be since I take care of my stuff, not saying that I'm the only one here that does ... but com' on.
[Nexus 6P General] android4life92:
Plus its the one m9 not m8
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Those are all small changes that don't affect wireless emissions. The FCC verifies that wireless components are confined to their declared frequencies and their outputs don't exceed min-max thresholds. In other words, a device plays well with others and doesn't create interference. Changing an antenna lay out, body design or materials, or position of internal components relative to each other would trigger a recertification. Certification is self-policed by the OEMs but the fines are huge if an unreported change is found to have altered previously certified performance. That's why devices pop-up at the FCC so close to their launch dates because once submitted to the FCC the design has to be final.

Here's the 6P's original certification if anyone cares

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...YTA==&fcc_id=QISH1511&utm_source=ausdroid.net
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
You contradict yourself.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
My bad. I was too brief in the first post. I get the feeling folks here are getting tired of me so I'm going for brief. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] oxxshadow:
did you end up keeping your new 6P or selling it
[Nexus 6P General] Batfink33:
I can't understand why people are being so defensive on this thread. The phone was designed quickly by Huawei with lower grade materials (to save cost) and with some design flaws which cause weaknesses at certain points. That's just the simple facts, there's no getting around it. If you use your phone and it doesn't bend or kink then that's great but don't start moaning about other people having problems and saying it's not real or true.
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
Put it in a case is my solution at this stage.
[Nexus 6P General] rice923:
FYI, a case has not solved the problem for those who had bending issue.
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
FWIW, some cases even seem to have made the problem worse so far. This is not proven whatsoever but it's what lots of users believe given all the situations in here and other forums.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
My replacement now has a slight rock in it, I don't even carry this phone in my pocket anymore to eliminate that possible issue, i've been paranoid since my replacement, I am seriously beggining to wonder if heat from the processor etc could be causing some issues, it's not worth worryingly about or returning at the moment although I may pop into carphone warehouse so they have something on file for future reference if it gets worse, if I place it on a flat table it rocks side to side maybe 2mm defo wasn't like this a week ago
[Nexus 6P General] :
I never thought of putting a laser level on my device. The thought never crossed my mind. ?? lol.
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
Until I had this phone neither did I
[Nexus 6P General] HzMeister:
Yeah, someone else made a whole thread about it but nothing definitive was found. The fact of the matter is that even speculating that a case can bend a phone is bad enough - this is literally the first phone I have ever seen that had such a discussion. There are so many other phones out there that perform just as well, if not better, and they don't warp this easily...

Honestly, you would have to be a complete idiot if you read this thread and still bought a 6p. Vote with your dollar and don't allow companies to screw you over like this - some goes for those defending this piece of junk to protect your ego. No body defended the iphone 6 bendgate and look at how fast they fixed it...
[Nexus 6P General] Tehpdub:
Yeah, a year later..
[Nexus 6P General] sameer1807:
I have a graphite 6P..don't treat this phone any differently than any other phone I've had over the past 10 years..no bends or bulges..If ur phone bends unintentionally, I'm sure google will accept an RMA return/replacement..don't think there's more to it..
[Nexus 6P General] dastinger:
This thread was developed enough when I bought my 6P. It doesn't have any kinks or bends and I haven't treated it any differently than my last phone. I used it with a case, naked and with dbrand skins. This thread tells me that there is an issue that AT LEAST affects SOME Nexus 6P. It also tells me that users who have complained about their phones bending are a large minority. So it didn't scare me enough to not buy this amazing phone. But maybe I'm a complete idiot.
[Nexus 6P General] HzMeister:
They couldn't fix it without resubmitting a new design to the fcc, hence the year long wait...But the whole point is that they fixed it because of consumer backlash even though realistically a very small minority had the problem - and the iphone 6 didn't appear to be nearly as fragile as the 6p so why aren't 6p owners equally up in arms about it?

It's cool that yours is fine but the fact that others are having his problem is messed up imo. Why should anyone who spends $500+ have to worry about their phone bending? It's just not what nexus should be....
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
I think alot are bending due to how people are taking them from pockets. I noticed when I pull mine out from my jeans especially if it's in my pocket whilst sitting I have to pull it put at an angle. Over time I am sure this causes bending. Unlikely heat is doing it.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
The UK has a great term that applies to their consumer protection laws - "fit for purpose." If something doesn't perform well for what it's designed for or to a competitive standard it's unfit and the manufacturer has to repair or replace said product at their expense.

Here's a video that pretty much demonstrates the OEMs know what mobile devices are subjected to. LG and Motorola have similar videos but Samsung's actually focuses on the phone being sat on. Putting their phone in a pocket doesn't seem like something a smartphone owner should have to worry about.

[YOUTUBE]UrhCz6PnT78[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I completely agree. I've never owned a phone that shouldn't be placed in a pocket. For men especially, it's the most common sense place to put it. I never had an issue with my pocket until this phone.
[Nexus 6P General] perXway1:
Yeah unfortunately, as much as I wanted a N6p... this thread was very developed and is still one of the strongest thread in this device's forum. I went with the note 5 instead and have been very satisfied
[Nexus 6P General] combat goofwing:
Had mine three months now ,no case or SP,just in a leather pouch ,always in my front jeans pocket..... Still not bent
[Nexus 6P General] nds850:
Mine isn't bent either. I haven't met anyone with a 6p that has had any issues with bending actually.

Are we sure that it wasn't an issue with the first batches and that Huawei has fixed it?
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
This thread's gotten long so it's unfair to expect people to go completely through it. Short answer is the 6P uses a non-standard design that allows the midframe and aluminum body to flex independently of each other. That's why the phone twists (won't lay flat). The cutouts for the finger print sensor and buttons weaken the aluminum body and are placed exactly at the point where the battery ends which itself provides rigidity. All the bending being reported is at that point.

All 6P's are susceptible but there's some combination of forces that have to occur for the bending to occur. So far there's been no clear cut "I did this and this happened." Obviously whatever's causing the bending isn't common or easy to produce otherwise this thread would be 10x longer. Flipside is that if there wasn't a recurring problem this thread wouldn't exist.
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
People keep checking in saying there phones are OK, there is a thread for that
[Nexus 6P General] HzMeister:
I agree, there's a better place for that.

Besides, who cares if their phone hasn't bent

yet

? Just that fact that people are proud of it speaks volumes tho...
[Nexus 6P General] dratsablive:
I'm a man and I always have put my wallet and phone in my front pockets. I don't like sitting on something in my back pocket.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Who said I put it in my back pocket? My entire life I've put my wallet and phone in my front pockets as well.

With the 6P, I took it out of my pocket when I bent down, sat down, etc. The phone still bent. I have never had that happen with any other phone I've owned. And I've owned more than plenty.
[Nexus 6P General] vanillapuff:
I am using a Spigen Rugged Armour. I just noticed that my phone is always warped. It is slightly bent as well at the volume rocker. Who should I contact? I bought my phone from a retailer in Hong Kong.
[Nexus 6P General] @work:
On a tangent, if you have mild back pain, it might be you wallet if you sit on it for long periods, its one of those things people are so used to that they don't realize it's a nuisance. Try putting your wallet in your front pocket and your pain might go away.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
Is your whole thanks count from hanging out in forums and trolling? I can't imagine how big just your posts have made this forum alone. And all you do is bicker with people. Go away already. The phone bends, we get it.
[Nexus 6P General] XxMORPHEOUSxX:
Careful with the word "we" LOL. Barry will include himself automatically and take offense.
[Nexus 6P General] Schl1ngel:
I do not know what is going on with all the hate in this thread. Of course this device bends otherwise there would not be a bent thread. It is as easy as that. My first device did bend within 2 days, my second device so far is fine.

People here should not forget that this is just a smartphone, nothing that important and nothing to make insults towards others. There is also no reason to defend this poor structural design, this device costs 700 Euros in Europe!
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
How or why would I get thanks for trolling? I've actually been on xda for a while and have helped people. Sorry that you only want to hear what you want to hear. If you don't hear what you want to hear it's considered trolling? Good logic there.

But you're right, I won't keep saying the 6P bends since it has been confirmed by many people already. Have a good day.
[Nexus 6P General] HzMeister:
lol, jealous much? Most people don't even notice the thanks count and you actually called someone out on it...what a sad person you are....

This thread is about the 6p bending, what else is are people supposed to talk about here? Wizeguydezignz posts are always well written and he makes clear and compelling arguments that are on topic. Your posts are short 1-2 liners that barely add anything to any thread. You are the one who should go away.
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
Did you create yourself another account wizeguy? This guy is a dedicated fan LOL.

I've been a lurker for years. Even did development for a little while. People are thanked for trolling all the time. I'm just speaking for your activity in these forums and all I've seen is arguing. Though this thread seems to bring out the worst in people. Myself included. I did some drunk angry posting and got myself in trouble. But if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Not trying to start nothing.
[Nexus 6P General] ipmanwck:
Maybe Jesus?
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
Amen. If the 6P were launched as the Huawei Mate 6P with Motion UI there would be ten threads in its forum from lack of interest. With Huawei being a value manufacturer there wouldn't be any shock over some design, build, and QC issues it would be accepted/expected. Throw a Nexus badge on it and suddenly the same phone becomes immortal. Nexus phones have a cult following; especially on XDA. That loyalty drives a lot of what's been seen in this thread. All phones have strengths and weaknesses. Even those that are immortal. ;)
[Nexus 6P General] rice923:
I hope you're ready for someone telling you about how Huawei's recent flagships have a completely different (and structurally sound) chassis compared to the 6p.

This thread just seems like 5 pages of senseless back and forth, punctuated by another page of someone speaking about chassis designs[emoji19]
[Nexus 6P General] hka2000:
Which retailer?
[Nexus 6P General] vanillapuff:
Broadway. Would you happen to know anything about returns at Broadway?
[Nexus 6P General] vanillapuff:
Does anyone know how the process of getting a replacement phone at a physical retailer works? How will they know about this design flaw?
[Nexus 6P General] Gorgtech:
Just show the retailer the link to this thread and some YouTube Videos from the guy who managed to bend this device without much force. He also shows in his second Nexus 6P destruction video, why this device is not rugged at all.
[Nexus 6P General] LeoRex:
Mod note: keep it civil.
[Nexus 6P General] hka2000:
Isn't Broadway 2 weeks for returns or something? I remember reading it on reddit
[Nexus 6P General] diverblue:
So I was one of the lucky ones who had not seen any signs of bending/warping but over the weekend that changed. I was taking my case off when I noticed the screen was no longer flush with the metal chassis at the location of the the power/volume buttons. When I placed the phone screen down on a flat glass table I noticed some pronounced rocking and flex. Shame, it seems I have a (slightly) bent phone.

I called Google UK yesterday and they admitted that they have received quite a few complaints about this and that engineering is working on it. I don't know whether that will come to anything but if there is a revised design then I would like to think affected customers could get a free upgrade! Who knows. Anyway, I have a replacement device shipping out this week. Fingers crossed the flex doesn't happen again!
[Nexus 6P General] Gizmoe:
A re engineered device would be great news to those with issues. And for all of us too who may eventually have the same experience.
[Nexus 6P General] diverblue:
It would be great but I can't help thinking that it wouldn't be worth Google and Huawei's time to redesign the device versus simply providing replacements for those who notice and issue. From what I have seen of the internals this would take quite a but of retooling in the manufacturing line, not to mention the engineering time to properly prove out the design; last thing they would want is for the redesign to fail! That said, we can still hope!
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Yeah I don't see how it would be worth their time and money to redesign it. Like you said, it looks like it would be a lot of work and they will probably be better off just sending replacements since the average person with a slight bend might not even notice it.

Not to mention how fast technology moves, they (Google and HTC or whoever is making the next one) are already designing the next Nexus. And Huawei is on to their next phone(s). The 6P is already history to both of them, so it probably wouldn't make financial sense to do a redesign. Just my thoughts on it.
[Nexus 6P General] diverblue:
Nailed it.
[Nexus 6P General] BarryH_GEG:
It's not. For the reasons you said.

I found this interesting in a Android Headlines story today about Google taking Nexus 100% in-house. Emphasis mine.

When we spoke with Huawei exec’s back in November, they informed us that

Google makes just about all the decisions on the Nexus products, even with the hardware. While a few things were up to Huawei, the majority was Google’s choice.

Now there’s a report coming out of The Information stating that Google wants to take an “Apple-like” control over the Nexus program, and that includes controlling it from top to bottom. What it sounds like is that Google wants to go the way of the Pixel line and develop everything in house. This is going to lead to all sorts of Pixel-phone rumors too.​

​

Google's not a h/w company and any resources they have that are overseeing h/w decisions probably have less real world or legacy experience than the OEMs they are directing. The Pixel C is an example, at least to me, of what happens when humongous companies that dominate what they're good at take on things outside their expertise. The Fire Phone is another good example.

So if Google armchair quarterbacked the design of the 6P that could certainly explain the durability issue. It would also explain the drastic differences in design between the Mate 8 and 6P which were under development at the same time. It also means that V1 of a Pixel Phone (if there ever is one) isn't a guaranteed slam dunk day one. Hubris and a feeling of omnipotence aren't great starting blocks for new ventures competing against established product lines. Maybe that explains the 1080P display in the Galaxy Nexus, pre-2015 Nexus cameras, and a host of other issues over the years blamed on the OEMs actually producing the h/w for Nexus.
[Nexus 6P General] murso74:
So this just started happening to mine, and I was aware of the issue and have tried to keep the phone in my jacket pocket. This design is not good
[Nexus 6P General] oxxshadow:
r u going to rma
[Nexus 6P General] murso74:
I am... I hate the thought that I'm paying for this bent phone in installments. I have no idea how I'm going to keep it straight in the summer though when I don't even have a jacket
[Nexus 6P General] samomamo:
I got it yesterday from best buy , now i check when i put on a straight surface the phone is bent, when its on face down top left corner i push the phone wobbles, unbelievable man. Gonna go return it tomorrow. Or else its a beautiful phone.
[Nexus 6P General] Jchef:
Weird. I have had this a month. Dropped a couple of times. Say on it a couple times. It's absolutely straight. I am scared to death that I will band mine. I regularly take the case of to check on flat surfaces.
[Nexus 6P General] samomamo:
And its not even on any news or android review websites, if it was a apple phone it would on every news channel. Google should stop selling the phone. And people who say thirs not bent thy are lying, because this is my second 6p thought i give another try. But turns out this one bent also not even a day, and i was all so gentle with it whole day. Anyway too bad every phone has some crap. Just this is not acceptable. $100 phones dont bent lol.
[Nexus 6P General] JoshuaMh:
That's really how you think? Do people have to post pictures of their streight phones now?
[Nexus 6P General] RHChan84:
I just found mine bent after 3 months. It's barely noticeable but its there. The glad screen protector is still on without bubbles.

Would this be considered as a manufacture defect or would it be a Nexus Protect claim?
[Nexus 6P General] wakers:
I've bent 1 the second one is beggining to go slightly, but to say that people are lying if there's is straight is a bit silly.
[Nexus 6P General] Michalko5896:
Few drops, not using case or protective glass.. 100% straight. ;)