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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Bad battery drain? And you're judging a phone that has no custom roms and that it hasn't been released for long at all?

Sorry but it just sounds like you love miui more.

Mi4c is more a plastic copy of an iPhone even more so than the OPX.

OnePlus realised that what users want is not overheating latest gen CPU, because not every user is gonna be running benchmarks or playing Nvidia games on their device. They actually wanted to design something practical, that looks good and can perform day to day tasks easily.

Uhm okay so what do you think real world difference would be between 801 and 808? Do you really think it would be big enough to negate a bigger premium?

Oh and I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mi4c will get little to no dev support whatsoever. You'll be lucky if you get to run CM on that. Xiaomi is sneaky as a ghost when it comes to releasing source. Oh and guess what, that's why it has no on screen buttons, or double tap to wake, or swipe2sleep... Etc

So all you people that praise a Mi4c, all you get is an iPhone type imprisoned device running Android.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
hey, bro, no fighting here. I'm correcting your statement. They didn't choose the processor mostly because it would save battery, but because the design and materials used to build the opx are very expensive. Yeah sure, difference between 801 and 808 will not be a lot in day to day usage. But you begin to notice the difference in gaming. Furthermore, the 808 is more future proof.

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if you want to have a phone with a pristine design and suitable for day to day usage, sure go for the opx. But if you want a phone that is more future proof concerning gaming and other heavy duty apps, then go for the xiaomi mi4c. It's that simple.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
I wasn't fighting, I was trying to put across the facts and why OP made the choices they did. I don't need future proofing because I actually like buying new devices maybe twice or even three times a year so. I've had maybe over 20 androids by now (Xiaomi) included and can safely say I know what my preference is. So I advise people to try everything they can and just find what they prefer the most.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
Awesome, that's your preference and I respect that. But other people buy phones less frequently.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
Thanks [MENTION=6139310]antony84[/MENTION] for the clarification on OPX CPU; now I regret less my Mi4c.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cowithgun:
Hey chill down mate :cool: Let's have fun but informative discussion.

I'll like to add my 2cent about comparison between 801 and 808. Again. :laugh: Most people thinking having a better SOC is for benchmarking and gaming. Well, the top speed does tell something about the phone performance and it's easiest to see when playing graphic intensive game. Snapdragon being 64 bit and manufactured at lower nm (20nm) making it a little more efficient at top speed while using lower power. However there are more to that.

SOC and CPU manufactures are now focusing on efficiency rather than top speed. All their design and roadmap for better SOC/CPU are moving towards doing more but using less power. True for both ARM and Intel. Top frequency speeds are no longer the aim. Everyone moving towards efficiency.

So, what can a more efficient SOC do for you? Example:

1. Double Tap to wake - by the way, this features in in Mi4c built-in. If you enable this feature in you phone, it actually drain a little bit more power because your phone is monitoring for touch even during standby. However the difference between 801 and 808 will be very obvious in term of battery utilization. 808 which has big.LITTLE technology, only need to use the low power Cortex A-57 while in 801, all of them are the same Krait cores. There is no low power cores.

2. OK, Google! If you enable this in Google Launcher, you can activate the phone by just saying OK, Google! and start voice search. Handy when you are driving. Again, if you enable this feature, the mic must be ready and always listening. Having low power cores help again.

3. Fitness band, smart watch, etc. If you use any of those, I definitely recommend you to get a smart phone that support big.LITTLE technology. Your phone needs to be connected with your smart devices via Bluetooth, etc. even during standby. You should see much better battery utilization with Mi4c compare to OnePlus X.

Although I don't have Oneplus X to test this, but I will be very surprise if Oneplus X outperform (in term of lower power consumption) Mi4c in these situations. Hey, some of your guys have both phone, go ahead test it out and let us know. :D
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
No one said OPX is a bad phone...

But lets face it...

Design is a matter of taste...

Hardware is a matter of numbers & logic...

And, mi4c's hardware is easily ahead in almost everthing...

Please do not put them in the same level regarding hardware just because you own one.

3 weeks ago i also had a p8 lite which in terms of design was also above mi4c but the hardware obvously was a FAIL when compared with mi4c.

Face it, a company like oneplus (specially after opo's success) should have done a better job in opx 's hardware choice...

And by the way, Miui gets weekly updated ROMs which come pre-rooted, we already have twrp recovery and an unofficial cm 12.1 port which has pretty much everthing working already... For a device that was launch less then a month ago and officially only in China I guess we wont have complains in terms of development stuff... Sorry;)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Better hardware choice means higher price tag. Sorry but OP has absolutely made the right choice with hardware.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
Bro, the Xiaomi Mi4C is $235 dollars in China (the 32 GB and 3GB RAM version). The oneplus x is $250.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Yeah and by the time you get that to UK you will be paying an extra £20 on top for import and vat!

Xiaomi is too chicken**** to sell globally, even though they are making way more money than OnePlus. So I ask you, why are they waiting?? Perhaps they've stepped on some toes, or maybe that they've copied 80% of their OS/ Design?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
Who cares if they copied? Their phones are great and cheaper than other brands. By the way, there are a plethora of online stores that sell Xiaomi products from their EU warehouses, meaning no import and VAT.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Cheaper than some but not all. OnePlus is a prime example.

Yah they are vat free because the price is higher.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
It's the same case for the oneplus x. They are not sold in Europe either. Name a phone that has the specs of the Xiaomi mi4c and is cheaper than the mi4c
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
I wouldnt mind the OnePlus X, it feels better to hold than the mi 4c but I go for specs and the snapdragon 801 for was dead on arrival, just saying.

I pad just under £200 for it and that's pretty much same price as Opx
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
That's what I'm saying. Some go for specs and some for design. I go for specs.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
If you think OPX battery sucks, think again!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Seems to be working pretty well still, it was the leading CPU and was introduced in many devices. Don't get how you can say it was dead on arrival.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
..

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It's a capable CPU, just not better than the 808. And I'm always looking for better specs
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
After reading this thread post by post... including mine... I get the idea that someone here that doesn't want to face the facts... Someone here made the wrong choice when buying OPX... Because, by the talking I can understand that you dont give a f*** about OPX design (which would be probably your only argument against Mi4c besides the front facing camera) and keeps talking about hardware, which is where the OPX is all the way behind Mi4c.

What part haven't you understood?

Snap 808 vs Snap 801 = Mi4c wins

Adreno 418 vs Adreno 330 = Mi4c wins

235€ vs 250€ = Mi4c wins

Miui vs Oxygen = Depends on the taste (imo Mi4c wins)

Probably there are few things OPX has better than Mi4c but... OPX doesn't even meet Mi4c's price tag... It's more expensive.

Why? Design? Bull****...

Who cares if xiaomi is this or that? Who cares if Miui is a copy of this or that (Millions of people love it... I am just one of them)?Who cares if it's only official in china?

This is my first Xiaomi phone and by the wonderful experience i'm having, it's not gonna be the last.

I just hope that when I think about changing, Xiaomi is still only official in China. You know why?

Because that way i'll be able to get the LATEST HARDWARE (not obsolete chips) for less money than any phone around.

LOGIC MY FRIEND...

Sometimes I feel my english is bad...

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LG G3... OPO... HTC ONE (E8)... Xperia Z3... Galaxy S5... Were flagships in the past and used OPX chipset...

LG G4... Nexus 5x... Moto X... Are flagships NOW and use Mi4c's chipset...

Maybe we are all wrong and 808 is a downgrade from 801...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
[MENTION=6950911]siul_lasc[/MENTION]

You are not informed very good... :) opx has the worst 801 model, with 2.3Ghz and 450Mhz gpu, that is less efficent than best 800 model.

So, 801 here is surely worse than 808.

Best 801 model (e.g. opo ones) would have same 808 performance, but that is not the case here!

Oneplus just had to say this before a lot of people buy the phone!

Btw, maybe oneplus will make a great software optimization, or a custom rom will do it, and only in this case the device for no more than 250$ would have a reason! Obviously, IMHO.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] eNemy-:
Genuine question: Do you work for OnePlus?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Xtereme Developer:
Just prefer xiomi i have used that phone they are nice but there rom or theme is similar to iphone.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
I knew about that, someone posted it before, but I was just making a comparison not even refering that it's a weaker chip. And even though the stronger 801's are better they do not perform like 808;) Anyway, no one said it's a bad chip... It just doesnt make the phone worth the money when compared to mi4c... Unless you love OPX's design which I believe is not the case of our friend. Otherwise he wouldnt be arguing about hardware instead of saying he has a gorgeous device.

This thread started with a question.

I think at this point it's easy to know which one worths more for the money you pay.

All the way Mi4c...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Xtereme Developer:
Prefer mi4c its camera is amazing and its design is also attractive and its theme is like iOS.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
See... even the design is arguable... I've been checking online videos about OPX and the front does resemble a lot my old lumia 625...

To be honest it's nothing special (lot's of gorilla glass...) and I still prefer Mi4c's design... And its size is just perfect for a 5".

My P8 lite did had a wonderful design... too bad it was much bigger and weaker... :(

As stated before... It's a matter of taste.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
I'll be honest, I liked handing the opx more, it was easier to hold, less slippery than mi4c. The camera quality is better than mi4c as is the screen but it sucks in low light, video is very laggy in low light.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
Hi,

I will have two of them within some days from now. I will test both on an objective way if I can, and not mine as has got the biggest....

Till no, I've seen :

- Still lots of bugs on Miui. (last version, no attachment to SMS or mail, notification problems)... And when I look at the bugs just resolved (screen responsivnerss...

- People telling that for other Xiaomi (Redmi) they did 2 exchanges in the first 2 months. What about durability after 2 years? Sorry, it's not what I would call buying a device for the future...

- Someone telling his OPX is really more powerfull and easy to use than his Mi4c (hope it was the 2Gb ram version...)

- When you import Mi4c, you're out of law. You should have to go to custom and pay VAT and customs fees. This could be asked at customs while you're on travel.

- I don't have CM12.1 info, but it seems advanced.

- A lot of people who use Miui keeps on telling : use quikpic for that, that for SMS, this launcher... In fact they seems to use Miui, without Miui. I will see if my GF will use it easily.

- A lot of ram is used in this device, even 5 minutes after "cleaning" people say they have 1.7Go used.

For the OPX :

- just one bug (SD card writing) and mine just fly ! Only little lags I have are because of chrome.

- shipment can be expensive but device comes quickly. So the invits.

- There is a case and a screen protection in the package, which let you time to chose after what you are going to use.

- It's already possible to root OPX, and for now, all I need is to use Adfly. I wait the SD Card bug to be corrected (within a week) before doing that. Don't fell the necessity to change Rom.

- The battery is really, really GOOD !!

- The screen has got a cold temperature setting. Maybe, it will be adjusted by update. And amoled can have weired colors but this one is decent (but not perfect compared to last samsung).

- Back of the phone is slippy. I'm afraid when I read that Mi4C is even more ;) . That's a detail, because I'll use protecs...

- I don't play, but the lack of fluidity reported on some devices is weired. I could't test, as I don't play. But If I would, I would not have bought the OPX & the Mi4C...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] EkiFox:
https://youtu.be/Hz5tU9lBjQ4

Just found this opx vs mi4c video.

With worst specs, the opx seems working better than miui. It is the room optimization?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
I'll add "better experience except for gaming and HD Vidéos playback on some devices".

There are optimizating kernel for that right now.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
You have both?

So you say opx camera is better than mi4c except in low light conditions?

What about battery life?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Since opx is closer to aosp, it should be less resource hungry over heavily skinned miui.

He didn't mention if he had the 2gb model or 3gb

[MENTION=6139310]antony84[/MENTION] its not my opx so couldn't really tell you
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rickbovenkamp:
Miui doesn't have many bugs if you download the stable version and we get weekly updates so not once a month as you have pointed out!

Mi4C is definitely more powerful than the OPX as it uses a much faster chipset and it's fairly easy to use, though if you really dislike MIUI there's CM12.1 which will boost performance and is like stock android.

Mi4C is NOT illegal to travel with, this is only the case with fake sunglasses etc.

I personally use all MIUI apps but yes, if you dislike them you can install other apps like with any device.

Yeah it does use up a lot of RAM but this is not neccesarily a bad thing, in order to consider it bad one should check what the device has pre-loaded and what the UI consumes. Pre-loading is not a bad thing but the ROM taking up too much RAM definitely is. This would also be the main reason to flash CM12.1, which will solve the problem easily.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
I never said so.

At least, if you live in EU, you're wrong.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] eNemy-:
You never said so?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
I never said "monthly updated". just read what you write.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] eNemy-:
My bad. Apologies
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FrankBullitt:
No, I bought mine from an online store with an Italia warehouse, meaning I have an invoice with VAT included.

Stop telling people that it's illegal to buy this device, it's just plain foolish.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
Did you pay it around 240$?

Could you please show us the invoice,(hiding your name....)?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] FrankBullitt:
276.36€ for the phone (3GB) and no, I'm not showing the invoice.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
OK. So it's not a 0€ VAT invoice With a 240$ total.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
If owning an Mi4c is illegal... I'm more than happy to be a criminal :D

The poll speaks by itself... Otherwise, we are all wrong :D
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
I also paid my VAT when i got it
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
I'm checking with the authorities if this thread is legal... Otherwise... You are all under arrest!!!!

Ahahah give me a break with all this VAT talking...

Maybe you dont pay your taxes, you use drugs, you drive drunk, you beat your wife everyday... And you come around and say... Owning an Mi4c is illegal... Nice!!! Looooool
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
Good for you Rob.

I said so, because of the prices mentionned on the posts before. And because in France most of the websites are outlaw... They make you believe that everything is OK, but you've got an invoice with 0 for VAT (with UK - HK trading exceptions and a stock send frome UK...).

I've seen people who didn't understand why they were asked to paid VAT and fees at reception.

NB : For me, even with VAT, Mi4c is a good value for money !!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alhar:
Nice thread.

I'm in the same situation, but after watching reviews and reading users' experiences i'm almost decided to buy the mi4c. Why? Well... I think that the mi4c is a device that is going to last more time until it becomes outdated (I'm not the kind of user that changes his phone every year).

808 is more powerful than 801 (even though 801 is still a very good soc).

Mi4c battery is bigger than OPX, which not means that works better. I've read that the main complain about Mi4c is the battery life which is clearly underperforming because of the software optimization which can be fixed in future updates.

The materials and design are clearly better in OPX, really well built up with nice materials... but I'm very maniac with fingerprints so... yeah It looks very nice in pics and videos but after some days using it if you don't clean it, it's not going to look that nice.

OPX has some nice features that Mi4c doesn't, like LTE band 20 or FM radio. Well... that's important for some users, in my case it's not very important because I don't have LTE contract (and if I get a LTE contract I still can use LTE in Mi4c although I've to use the other bands) and I've never used the fm radio in my phone so it's not something that i'm going to miss.

About the camera I think that both have a good camera for average users like me.

About the OS... OPX has Oxygen which is very close to stock android and that's nice and Mi4c uses miui. I've never used miui, but after watching reviews and videos about it, it looks beautiful and has a lot of extra features so i'd like to try it.

That's my opinion. Both are great phones and great choices. In terms of performance and hardware I think that mi4c is a step over , and in terms of built quality and design the opx is better.

Either If you have the mi4c or the opx you're going to enjoy your phone, that's for sure.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] krist2an:
I went for the Mi4c. Yeah the OPX might use fancier materials, but from a technical point of view it is behind the Mi4c in all aspects. Older SoC, worse camera sensor, smaller battery, pentile-AMOLED... Plus if you go to Oneplus forums, you see many people complaining about software bugs. SD cards are disabled right now, there's a battery drain bug, video recording lags, games lag.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Wow you actually believe everything you read?

Do you even know that amoled displays are more battery efficient?

Do you know that OPX gets over 6 hours screen on time on 1 charge?

Do you know that most of the things you're complaining about are software related, and will be fixed in the coming updates?

Do you know that CM12.1 is already in the works for OPX?

Do you know that there's already a custom kernel for OPX?

Finally, do you know that most people (Cupcakes as we call them) on the OP forums either don't know what they are doing, or just come on there to repeat stuff that's already been said?

Na you don't care about that..
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] krist2an:
AMOLED displays can be more battery efficient, but only under certain circumstances. Oneplus was very smart to use a dark system theme, because that really improves battery life with an AMOLED display. But if we talk about web browsing or whatever else, the gains will be smaller and the smaller battery size itself will have a bigger influence. Plus if we talk about the screen, the OPX uses a pentile matrix AMOLED display that shows jagged lines. There have also been users reporting that some have really blue screens while some don't have that issue.

6h of SoT is probably possible with really limited usage, but most users report around 3-4h of SoT. Which is what the Mi4c is also capable of.

Still, there are loads of software bugs, like the SD card bug which is kinda big deal when you only have a 16GB version available. Plus the lag issues. Not that the Mi4c is perfect, but in this case the Mi4c is technically the better phone.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Okay well, have you actually seen the OPX screen in person? I am guessing that you haven't. So how can you judge it for yourself? It has no lines of any kind, if you read the proper comments on OP forums you will see people praising the screen. The brightness and colours are just amazing, it just pops. Also because the frame is black the screen blends perfectly into the device.

Oh and the 6 hours SOT was measured on my personal OPX. I used it for a whole day, browsing, messaging, not gaming, on wifi. Pretty normal! So it can easily achieve that daily...

About the SD card and lags, it's a software issue as I've already said and it will be fixed in the coming updates.

I never said it had better specs than the Mi4c, I was simply correcting your delusional points.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
It's funny to see that Mi4c's unnoficial CM 12.1 does not have the kind of serious bugs OPX has... Only the flashlight which is not a deal breaker... I tried it and I got to tell you, it didn't seem more fluid than miui... it's simpler and does improve antutu benchmark... but as I love Miui had to return... And to be honest I don't know to which bugs or lag are you refering to when you speak about Miui... Haven't experienced any of that... About the memory, the maximum I've had Miui consuming was 1.3 gb with lots of apps installed and running... And mine is the 2Gb/16Gb version which by the way, has no noticeable difference in performance when compared to the 3Gb/32Gb version. In some tests it even performs slightly better... Hard to believe? Go to youtube...

Geko95... to a person that changes smartphone 2/3 times a year you give to much importance to what we thing about your phone. It's nice to see you like it so much that you forgot about the reality, the facts... and you can't stand the idea that we have such an extraordinary, powerful, gorgeous and at the same time affordable device.

By the way... how much do you score in Antutu?! Oh, let me guess... you don't care about benchmarks... Your OPX doesnt even reach 50K?! Sorry to hear that...

Love really is blind... ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
I want to highlight this post guys, both phones have their faults for me but are also great devices in their own right. In fact I'm thankful that we're seeing more devices with better performance with smaller screens! Competition is good...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
Indeed but... Mi4c is the only using todays flagship hardware for a budget price... That's the diference...

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OPX:

No capacitive buttons light?

No type C usb connection?

Non removable back cover neither battery?

Sorry... That's so... OLD!

What about that slider on the side to mute the phone? And the speakers at the bottom with all those holes... Do they sound familiar? Did I hear someone saying Mi4c was a copy of the iPhone?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] iamdanxi:
Mi4C doesn't have that either...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
Wow... You can read ;)

But probably you dont own an Mi4c...

Otherwise you wouldn't give your WRONG opinion... Don't trust everthing you read.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
[MENTION=6950911]siul_lasc[/MENTION] yesterday's cm build, there is double tap to wake and flashlight works