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[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cowithgun:
If you get Mi4c, there is no competition, Mi4c is superior in areas that really matters:

1. Performance: Snapdragon 801 vs 808.

- This is the heart of your phone, it determine the snappiness, performance and even power consumption of your phone.

- 808 has big.LITTLE. During idle, your SOC will use very little power because only the "little cores" are running. It safes battery. When you need performance, the A57 cores high performance will start.

- Snapdragon 808's Cortext A57 is one generation ahead of the 801's Krait 400.

- 808 is 64 bit. Simply recompiling an App with 64 bit gcc gain up to a few % performance. Free.

- Adreno 418 vs 330

- 20nm vs 28nm technology. Lower nm mean more efficient; lower power consumption and/or higher performance

- This alone should be reason enough to get Mi4c.. why still chose old SOC???

2. Battery

- 3080mAh vs 2525 mAh

- That's 21% more battery...

3. Display

- IPS vs AMOLED

- It's matter of personal preference, I take IPS any day. I love bright screen and ability to use comfortably even under the bright sun.

- Mi4c display is 1 of the best I have seen, really black and good contrast. Read more: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_4c-review-1328p3.php

- Mi4c's front buttons backlights basically give you another 10% more screen space.

About ROM, mi4c has weekly update. Although the device has not launched outside of China yet, there are already 4 customs ROM available:

1. Unofficial EU MIUI

2. Unofficial CM12.1

3. Preview Android M (http://en.miui.com/thread-178779-1-1.html)

4. AOSP ROM (http://en.miui.com/thread-178354-1-1.html)

I have been using the phone for over a month now, really happy with it.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] notohp:
Agree. I pick Mi4C because once I spend money, I want to use hardware for as long as possible. Mi4C is more future ready with USB-C, WiFi-ac, 64bit compliance and cost. AMOLED is one thing that I'd miss but guess that's a minor negative.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
No tweaks but aggressively toggling settings like aeroplane mode when on my train journey to/from work (no reception), only turning sync on when I connect to WiFi and then only connecting to WiFi occasionally to check emails. No bluetooth, location (yes, locking on is buggy for me but can get it eventually)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
I love my Mi4C, the power, the battery life, the design and the display is awesome (and its not blueish) :) before I'd buy One Plus X, I would rather buy a Xiaomi Mi4 ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
I just wish the Mi 4c had either 64GB or SD card support as well as band 20, I don't care about NFC. If it had those it'd be the perfect phone for me!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] kevinnol:
The Mi 4c is superior but if you really need band 20 e. g. you instead have to use 2G there's no way around the one plus x

either way both are solid phones
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Mi4C is still not released worldwide, which means there will be issues if you want claim warranty. Oh and it's build is so plastic.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Thats the gamble. I have read one plus warranty/cs is not good and very hard to get hold of.

About the plastic, its not cheap like how samsung use to have, its better than the Nexus 5X, compared with bros phone. Think of it as premium plastic
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
Totally agree
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
I guess but at least OP have a global division where RMA and warranty issues get handled. Which is so much better than importing a phone yourself and then having to send it back to China if something goes wrong.

I know what you mean about he plastics, I've had 2 Xiaomi devices myself before. 1 of which was plastic, and it felt alright but if I have a choice I'd always avoid any type of plastic.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] linseyning2010:
Recommend MI4C

I recommend MI4C
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] alexvv:
in any other way i'd suggest the mi4c. what xiaomi is about to do to the bootloader and a potential ota update brick urges me to suggest the oneplus x wholeheartedly.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] TheShortOfIt:
I am in the same situation.. I already have the mi4c and really like it... OnePlus X is also on my list.. My thoughts: Both have + and -

What I really like on my mi4c is the build quality. It feels really solid. It doesnt feel cheap. It feels more premium than a samsung galaxy plastic device. The OnePlus X is for sure better in terms of build quality. Glass and Metal -> Sexy.. But: I know from old iPhone and Xperia that fingerprints on glass backs look horrible... So I dont know whats better... I am not a guy who puts the phone in cases, if so.. I can buy a cheap plastic phone too. The "damage factor" on drops will be higher on the OPX too.

What I really like on the mi4c is the 32GB internal storage.. With microSD it would be the PERFECT device.. Sadly it does have not :( - The OnePlus X has it, but is only available with 16GB internal storage... Thats something I really do not understand. So I prefer 32GB internal over 16GB + SD - Because my whatsapp Folder is about 5GB already and is NOT movable to SD.

But the OnePlus X does have very very nice features too.. It supports LTE Band 20 ! which is very important in germany. I dont have a LTE contract yet - But I will get one mid next year. Another big point is Ambient Display - I really really love it... and in combination with Amoled its great.

But thats the next point... THe battery only has 2500mah... With ambient Display activated... puhh... Both.. Xiaomi and OnePlus are not well known for battery performance tweaks... So I think the mi4c is definitly superior!

Another big point is warranty and product cost... The OnePlus X is a "blender" - It will cost ~295€ including shipping. I paid 255€ including shipping for my Mi4C 32GB - If I add a necessary SD card to the OPX I am 50€ over the mi4c which is 20% more expensive. About the warranty: Both are china. If you have problems with your OnePlus you have it sent back to china.. I dont see anything about "global support". Support from OnePlus is terrible from what I am reading.. Seems not really better than Gearbest and other China Shops. I bough my mi4c from geekvida... They offer german return shipping address and 1 year warranty... In Total: More worth for me than the OnePlus warranty.

Overall I am still unsure to test the OPX as I already own the mi4c - I really would like to compare the cameras... I am not very impressed by the mi4c in low light conditions. The pictures get really fast blurry. But I didnt test other camera apps for now.

In terms of Roms... Many people complaining about Oxygen OS - Many people complaining about Miui - I think its on par - Miui is better than I thought.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
To be fair, with the bug inventory, there is a "read only" problem on the SD for now with the Oneplus X (Sd need to be in NTFS to work...).

The problem will be fixed soon I hope !

And I agree with your pros an cons. I bought a OnePlus X monday for my girl and she doesn't want it because "it's not white"!!!

Il ordered a WHITE Mi4c for her tuesday. Within a few days I will have both to compare....
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
I have bought my OPX this morning but it'll take a few weeks to get to me.

I'll use that instead of my Mi 4c then post some comparisons.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] body150165:
I don't understand many aspects of the comparisons here. I still feel that these comparisons are mainly based on numbers. "3000mAh Battery is better than 2500" is a totally useless statement. It depends on the software and usage pattern. And as long as we don't have reproducible tests, the numbers mean nothing.

The same is valid for the other numbers. "Adreno 418 is superior to Adreno330" As far as I followed the tests, Adreno330 shows better onscreen performance than Adreno418.

I could go on like this...

What really annoys me is Xiaomi's behavior regarding GPLv2. Xiaomi actually violate everything that Linux, Android and XDA stand for. As attractive as the Mi4c sounds on paper, I don't want to support this kind of company.

I don't expect that you guys share my opinion. But maybe you should take it into consideration before you spend your money for a product of THAT company.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] wingsfortheirsmiles:
I agree with you, both on premature judgements between both phones and Xiaomi's attitude towards releasing kernel sources.

With the former, this is why I've got my OPX on its way. I want to use that phone then decide which one is best for me. Of course others will rightly have their own preference.

With the latter, I'm not sure how they managed to do it but at least there are non MIUI options out there. With those I can use the phone without any parts of Xiaomi's ecosystem and supplant it with Google's services which I use heavily. Indeed users can choose to stick to AOSP options if they wish.

It's sad to say that Xiaomi are far from the only culprits. Look at Samsung with Exynos, Huawei with Kirin (sp?), awful awful MediaTek, etc. Other OEMs like Motorola and LG still take their time to release sources and Sony have purposefully turned to proprietary code to ensure that even with released sources phones are only partially functional.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
It's not about supporting xiaomis ethics but getting the best specs for a low cost and hoping custom roms pull through. Well that's me anyway

Though I have to admit they have polished their rom ui over the years but more bloated. They were the 1st to have toggles in the notification shade and proper themes
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rickbovenkamp:
Yeah, the Mi4C beats the OPX in specs by a lot. Though the OPX is available to a larger public because of the bands, that's all, otherwise there are no big advantages to getting it.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cowithgun:
It's not totally useless if you understand what it mean. :cowboy: Like any spec or number you will continue to see for a long time, just try to understand what it mean rather than just gobble it up.

Bigger capacity battery (3080mAh) is better than lower capacity battery (2525mAh).

How is this translate to actual usage? Many variables come into place:

1. OS and software

2. Hardware component, SOC, IPS vs AMOLED screen, Modem, Wifi component, etc

3. Configuration; brightness, 3g/2g, wifi on/off, etc

Although I don't have all the data, but I do believe Mi4c with vastly bigger batter and more efficient SOC will be a lot better than Oneplus X AMOLED.

About Adreno 418 comparison to Adreno330, here is an extract from Anandtech: "the Adreno 418 is apparently 20% faster than the Adreno 330"

Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015

From what I know (# shader cores, operating freq, 20nm) Adreno 418 > Adreno 330, but feel free to prove me wrong. Here is my Antutu score from my Mi4c. Wonder if there is any phone with Adreno 330 that can match the 2d and 3d graphic score:

[IMG="Antutu"]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3534072&stc=1&d=1446902410[/IMG]

You don't like Xiaomi and its GPL practice, don't buy their product.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrew551:
Because of the guarantee, design and LTE I bought Oneplus x.

Thank you all
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Karly Johnston:
The SD801 is a very capable processor even today, you can game on it and multitask without issue. But the SD808 is faster and will work much smoother in the new 64bit ecosystem. I really think it is a matter of futureproofing. I got my Mi4C to replace the Idol 3, the 615 has a frean joke of a gpu in the Adreno 405. If I had the patience to wait for a OPO invite or had grabbed one in a flash sale I would have preferred that as the 801 can game all titles with acceptable frame rates. The only thing my Mi4C is missing is LTE, but I get Tmob H+ which gets similar band 4 LTE DL speeds but has higher latency, meager upload speed and drains battery slightly more. The OPX doesn't have dual band wifi which is an issue for me and in all honesty, I can't have another phone with a glass back. I can't stand fingerprints and having to use a case for fear of breaking it on the table. If LTE is a must for you I think your choice is clear and it is not the Mi4c. Don't worry about ROMs, this thing is being exported like hot cakes.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rurkowiec:
I'm also thinking about zuk z1 and meizu mx5 ?

Which is the best from all?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] body150165:
I might have been wrong about the Adreno 418.

But about the battery, you still "believe" and "assume". The Mi4c showed a poor battery life (especially standby) in the test of gsmarena. Therefore, again the numbers of the battery capacity say nothing and 3000 is NOT better than 2500 because if the reasons that you stated by yourself. It depends on what the manufacturer is capable to make out of it. Having said that, the most important factor is the usage pattern. And still in this regards, it's even more important what the manufacturer made out of it.

One thing you are right: I don't accept Xiaomi's GPL infringement which - again- violates everything that Linux, Android and XDA stands for. That's why I will not buy it and not recommend to anyone.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cowithgun:
I respect your opinion on Xiaomi's GPL practice. :o I personally would like to see if they can release source code much faster and continue to update it. I had Samsung phone before, they are not any better.

About GSMarena review on Mi4c, it's excellent! You will see that Browsing, video, all pretty good, even better than OnePlus 2 (http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_2-review-1287.php) which came with bigger battery. The problem is idle battery consumption.

I have done extensive testing myself to find out why the idle time is so bad. After using Mi4c for a month, I discovered a few things that could improve the idle power consumption hugely:

1. Disable all Mi Account Sync. I use Google services instead.

2. Disable "Manage apps' battery usage". The com.miui.analytics tries to automatically monitor behavior of each App and automatically clear them from background based on Xiaomi's profile. This help to prevent unimportant app from continuously doing background transfer, wakelock, etc. However the process itself take too much resources, especially during the first few days when it's trying to learn about each app on the phone. Disabling this help a tons in improving idle power consumption.

3. Update MIUI to China Developer ROM 5.11.1 and above. Since 5.11.1 they fixed a serious battery leak in Default Launcher. I am using 5.11.5, my idle battery consumption is now excellent. This is after 22 hours, with 80% left. This is my only phone. I woke up, check WhatsApp, my favorites sites, head out. While outside, answering calls and checking messages, I tried avoiding browsing whenever I can because I want to test the idle battery consumption. It's not exactly the same as GSMArena idle test but I think I got a better Endurance time. Based on the same calculation, my Endurance time should be 94 hours.

I have seen similar excellent battery life for those using CM12.1 as well: 16hrs off charger, 2hrs 38mins SOT still with 66% battery: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=63521393&postcount=5
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] krist2an:
I'm also between the two. I really like the premium materials that the OPX uses, but at the same time it's so much more fragile. And the OPX will probably have better ROM support, but I've always had a soft spot for MIUI. The Mi4c however is more powerful (the OPX uses a slower version of the SD801 that really lags in games), it's got a bigger battery, IR blaster, looking at first camera shots it has also got a much better camera and it's cheaper.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] elderonj:
I prefer mi4c, oneplus isn't a serious company
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
I'll just leave that here

I did a quick comparison and I believe the screen and camera quality is better on the OPX
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] andrew551:
[MENTION=1983726]ermacwins[/MENTION] Can you post some camera samples ?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
Its quite gloomy here in the UK but I'll try and get a few, just busy at the moment.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
Yeah, i would also see a few pics, because the last 13MP camera with isocell sensor and f2,2 aperture i have used (Redmi Note 2, just used it 1 week because of the bad camera and the really cheap plastic body) was very bad compared to Mi4c camera in low lights.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
Some OPX pics :

Outside : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3BK3-UD7DvVUlhXNzl2bjdXekE&usp=sharing

Inside with bad lignt : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3BK3-UD7DvVamJjVDRydnVPNjQ&usp=sharing

There are bad reviews due to no competences of the tester, but in my opnion, it's not bad.

Apk need to be improved for better AF (sometimes, it's not accurate) and add manual settings capabilities...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Nuke142:
Test video quality reminds me 2007 year..
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Kéno40:
It was a one hand shoot from the window and with not much light, it can explain the shake and the lack of fluidity.

I need to try on other situation to have an idea of what can be done...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
That plastic body on the RedMi Note 2 really put me off it.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cowithgun:
From the spec, Mi4c with f/2.0 aperture,Sony newest IMX258 sensor and Snapdragon 808's ISP look like superior than Oneplus X's f/2.2, ISOCELL and Snapdragon 801's ISP.

Most of you may already familiar with aperture and sensor. SOC ISP play important role in faster HDR and low light capturing. Read more:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/snapdragon-805-vs-801-vs-800

Well like every spec, it's just some guidelines :) Actual photo shows the quality. Too bad I don't have both phone to compare. Need rob rich and may be wait for GSMArena to compare between the two. For now, I managed to snap some pretty impressive photo with Mi4c. These are unedited photos.

I am most impressed with the night photo. I did a comparison with iPhone 6 plus, Mi4c is clearly superior.

ps: This is what it look like from iPhone 6 plus
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] ermacwins:
3 pics from opx. Low light video quality sucks hard.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Karly Johnston:
I watched Geekyranjit's gaming review of the OPX... are the frame rates really that bad?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Nope all working well on my OPX. Tried NFS No Limits and Dead Effect 2.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] iamdanxi:
[IMG="Mi4C Photo"]http://s18.postimg.org/92xjzq0nd/IMG_20151109_190641_HDR.jpg[/IMG]

This is a pic I have taken yesterday night.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
[MENTION=6503079]iamdanxi[/MENTION]

Is it mi4c? It is camera from miui or form cm? people claims the camera is bad and photos are blurry.. but your photo seems good...
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] rob rich:
A camera is just as good as the photographer ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] LevathianNL:
I saw a Chinese review comparing the camera's of the xiaomi 4c, one plus x and meizu metal. The xiaomi 4c appears to have the better camera.

I cant post the link because this is my first post on the forum. However you can check it our yourself by searching on baidu.com for "小米4c 还是 一加x 拍照片" and then its the second and third search result. You cant miss it ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] iamdanxi:
Yes, it's taken from my Mi4C, with international stable MIUI7, native cam-app.

[MENTION=5074836]rob rich[/MENTION] : Danke ;)
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cowithgun:
If you are referring to another thread in XDA about Mi4c camera:

Mi4c Camera issues (blurry in low/fluorescent light)

The issue is not that Mi4c cannot take good photo at low light, it just that you need a steady hand and somewhat longer than Nexus 5 (as stated by OP).

In my opinion, this is because that Nexus 5 has Optical Image Stabilization (OIS). Mi4c does not have this feature. Read more about OIS in Nexus 5: http://www.trustedreviews.com/google-nexus-5-review-camera-page-5

Unfortunately, the newer Nexus 5X and 6P both no longer has OIS.

Managed to captured some nice photo with my Mi4c, just want to share it here.

Putrajaya

Sand Dune in Malaysia

View attachment 3537522

Sunray
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
[MENTION=4347743]cowithgun[/MENTION]

Yes, i refer to that thread.

Do you think blurry is due to OIS missing? If it's the problem a software help could reduce the problem.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] el-marino:
Levathian NL was refering to : http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4137272208

really interesting, seems like the mi4c is a standout of the comparison. I google translated the page, but it's hard to understand everything
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] siul_lasc:
So, here is the truth and nothing more than the truth.

Both of these phones have pros and cons. FACT!

If you want a more premium design (even if it resembles some other very popular phones around) and you dont mind having 2/3 years old hardware which is already outdated (it still works in most cases though) and if you dont mind paying for having a oneplus logo in the phone (You can get phones with this hardware for much less money, but they dont have that wonderful oneplus logo)... You will choose Oneplus X.

If dont mind a more casual finish (still very solid construction), with a flagship performance, latest hardware (including camera performance which is awesome) that handles and will handle in the future everything you throw at it and in the end you get it paying an unbelievebly low price... You will choose the Xiaomi Mi4c.

Not having expandable memory is not a problem since cloud services started offering Gigs of free storage online and Mi4c's back cover is indeed removable/exchangeable (changing mine to gray asa it arrives) such as the battery.

This is the truth. Oneplus X isnt comparable to Mi4c. I dont really know if they have anything in common but it's a different league. Is there any good reason to buy a Oneplus x instead of a Mi4c?

Mi4c is in Oneplus 2 level with smaller screen and smaller price tag.

This is what I think.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] Giocarro:
I'm happy with my Mi4c, but if I had not purchased this I'd go straight to One Plus X.

Had an OPO and in my humble opinion the SnapDragon 801 with CyanogenMod 12.1 performed a tiny bit better than Mi4c AS 808.

I'm speaking of feelings, not benchmarks, here.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
I can agree with you about SD801 vs SD808, but OPX's Snap 801 is AA model, that is less power than the best Snap 800 version! GPU il also less power, 450Mhz vs 570Mhz (game freezs).

So you can't compare OPX with OPO!

You can compare OPX with 2 years old phones.

I 'm interesting in both, but i'm going think that opx is only a beatiful ornament... too compromises in hw imho.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] CamoGeko:
Compromises? Lol

Those specs have been chosen for their ability to keep battery usage and heat down, it all creates a better experience!

Oh and the Android 330 GPU in OPX actually runs at 578mhz.
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
One plus confirmed SD801 version is MSM8974PRO-AA, that has max gpu 450Mhz and max cpu 2.3GHz (you can google for it!)

Maybe you have a special version of this AA model :)

I agree with you, the specs choosen should keep the battery usage low, right.... but this does not happen! Very bad battery stats around own's reviews.

I'm really angry with one plus, I would have definitely bought the opx if all these compromises there would be no... no quick charge, bad battery drain, bad camera in low light, low performances in gpu and 42€ of shipping cost!

I wait only first ota to see if something change, otherwise i'll go with mi4c without official warranty and 800Mhz lte band. Less compromises for mi4c imho!
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
[MENTION=3301438]geko95gek[/MENTION] nope. They weren't chosen for the better experience mostly. They were chosen to keep the price down since its design is already expensive enough
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] antony84:
I have a question. Opx has Ambient display feature as i read. Mi4c? Is there something similar? What happens when a notification arrive?
[Xiaomi Mi 4C] cesararduino:
There's a lovely notification light. Lol

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But you can change its color and also you have double tap