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[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
Well, I've had several more days since my OP. I'm very happy with the phone. One additional gripe I have with the design appears to be both a blessing and a curse. The outer lens of the display sandwich is made of plastic, as opposed to Gorilla glass that I am familiar with. The plastic scratches easily. Very easily. I am a little disappointed with that. Now, I am satisfied with the shatterproof design, but I would recommend folks install a glass protector immediately. I also suspect there will be aftermarket glass protectors sold and used by folks in place of the plastic outer lens.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] d2kplus:
At least it's smaller than the Moto X Pure Edition and Nexus 6P.

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http://www.motorola.com/us/Moto-Shattershield/moto-shattershield.html

I saw a video of an engineer explaining the screen layout. The glass layer is positioned between two layers of plastic above, a flexible AMOLED screen and aluminum base below.

[IMG="Diagram"]http://icdn7.digitaltrends.com/image/motorola_moto_shattershield_layers_01-640x640.jpg[/IMG]

Moto ShatterShield is an exclusive system consisting of five layers designed to absorb shock and guaranteed not to crack or shatter.

Layer 1: Exterior Protective Lens - A protective layer with a proprietary hardcoat designed to guard against dents and abrasion. (Plastic)

Layer 2: Interior Lens - This highly transparent layer provides a clear protective shield that won’t crack or shatter. (Plastic)

Layer 3: Dual touch layer - In the event of an impact that damages the primary touch-sensitive layer, a second layer takes over to maintain touchscreen performance. (Glass)

Layer 4: Stunning AMOLED display - The flexible AMOLED display absorbs shock and provides amazing picture quality. (P-AMOLED)

Layer 5: Aluminum chassis - A rigid aluminum chassis provides structural integrity and durability. (Aluminum)
[Droid Turbo 2 General] BobBruff:
Did you trade in your G2 at Verizon? If so, did they give you much for it?
[Droid Turbo 2 General] gfrrt:
Yes I traded it in. I don't know exactly what the dollar amount was. All I know is I had 8 months left on it. And trading it in got me out of it and into this phone and my line bill went down 25 dollars a month. But my phone was 27 so my bill went up by 2 dollars. And my plan didn't change. Honestly I don't know if I got a good deal or screwed. I do know that I never been able to afford the latest phone before. Always had to go with the " freebie" or close to it with 2 yr upgrade. So for years I've always been behind. I've never been able to just slap down hundreds of dollars for a phone. Yeah I'll be paying on this phone for two years as well but for 2 dollars more a month I finally get the latest upgrade.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] alhadee12:
Just got the white version, now it's time to see if this will be my daily driver.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Eddie Hicks:
I have a S4. I had a S6 for 2 weeks and returned it because the battery life was not so great. I just left the local Verizon store and spent a few minutes playing around with the Turbo 2. My only concern is the size. I don't really want a Phablet but it seems like that's the way they are going with the flagships. I played the same YouTube video on my S4 and the DT2 at the same time. The DT2 display was much sharper and even brighter then the S4. I had my S4 screen brightness set to auto. I didn't think to check the brightness on the Droid. I didn't leave with the phone but I may pick one up this week. Anyway how does the Droid compare to your S4 in your opinion?
[Droid Turbo 2 General] waterninja21:
Honestly so far I love the Turbo more than my S4. First I love that I don't have all the Samsung touchwiz crap and the pure android feel is alot smoother than the S4. The size is a different story for me, I have bigger hands and having a 5.4 inch screen makes things easier for me. The video quality is alot better and camera is clearer than S4. I love the battery life on the Turbo, I work in the oil field and the Turbo lasts all day on one charge of heavy use.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Clay333:
Does anyone know if the trade in phone has to be the latest phone on your line? I have a Turbo now and still have about a year in my contract. I still have my old HTC Droid DNA kicking around too. I was wondering if I could trade in the DNA just to get out if the contract and then sell the Turbo. I'm pretty sureiI would come out better if I did that, but that also seems like a reason Verizon wouldn't let me.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Digital DJ:
I'm confused, if you have the Maxx and you won the DT2, why would you want us to compare the DT1 and the DT2 brightness?

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My first impression of this is GREAT so far. Love EVERYTHING about it with a few minor things I miss from the DT1. I liked the clock/battery/weather widget better on the DT1 but not a deal breaker. I liked the smaller size better on the DT1, again not a deal breaker. Camera is by far the best cell camera I've ever had. The look and design are flawless imo. I've only had it since 10:30 this morning as I paid for the next day delivery from hong kong..lol I'll let you know more soon!
[Droid Turbo 2 General] gfrrt:
I tried that and it was a no go for me. Said has to be phone registered to that line.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Eddie Hicks:
Thanks for the fast reply. Yes no Touchwiz and no Samsung bloat would be nice. But I guess there is the Verizon stuff. Never had a Moto so I don't know if they include a lot of bloat but I'm sure it's less then Samsung. Bad battery life is the reason I returned the Galaxy S6 so it's nice to know that is not an issue with the Turbo. As far as size I also have big hands. XX gloves are too small for me. I just want portability. I don't like those big holsters you clip to your belt. I just like to put the phone in my jeans pocket.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] bigv5150:
The dt2 is barely larger than the dt1 I pit my wife's turbo next to my dt2.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] calash:
They finally shipped my Moto-Maker built T2. It should be hear Friday.

For my view, coming from an HTC One M7 and looking at the store unit of the T2 the brightness was more than acceptable. I will miss the stereo speakers but at least the 1 faces the front of the device.

On a side note, I have NEVER met a sales person so unmotivated to sell me a phone. I asked what color combinations they had and she replied "The black one and the White One". No effort to try and get me to leave with a phone, so I have to wait but at least I get the exact colors I want.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] ChazzMatt:
I'm sure there will be a U.S. "Kinzie" for regional CDMA/LTE carriers --- just like there was a U.S. Moto Maxx (Quark) XT1250 identical in every way to the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Except, of course, the XT1250 has unlock-able bootloader and root! and can run on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, just like a non-Nexus Moto 6.

But at this moment besides the Droid Turbo 2 (XT1585), the only "Kinzie" siblings I'm aware are the "international" and "China" versions, the XT1580 and XT1581:

http://www.smartphonezero.com/motorola-moto-x-force-xt1580-xt1581-specs/

The only difference I can see between those two is one more additional TD-LTE band (41).

However, I'm very sure there will also be a U.S. Kinzie for regional CDMA/LTE carriers. XT158_? May even be under the "Moto X Force" name -- just like last year the non-Verizon U.S. "Quark" was under the "Moto Maxx" name.

The non-Verizon U.S. model will probably show up in December, since the Moto X Force will officially be released in December. Then will probably show up on regional carrier websites in January? We just don't know the actual model number yet. Will probably be XT158-something. :) However, it will share the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2, just like last year's XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx has the same FCC ID as the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 -- as it will be IDENTICAL in all radio/hardware specs.

It will have unlock-able bootloader -- just like last year's U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. It will be the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo 2. ;)

But just like last year's XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx, the tech media will ignore it as they believe Verizon's PR marketing lies of "exclusive". :rolleyes:

Just like the Quarks, all the Kinzies will be unlock-able, except for the Verizon model.

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The two FCC IDs associated with the Kinzie are:

* IHDT56UA1 (Droid Turbo 2) < this will be the same FCC ID for the U.S. non-Verizon variant.

FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2690015 (lists Verizon LTE band 13)

* IHDT56UA2 (international Moto X Force)

FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123

Motorola is only required to list the GSM/HSPA/LTE bands used by carriers in the U.S. in their specifications to the FCC. Of course, we know the Moto X Force has many, many more LTE bands than those listed in that letter. It's only important so you can track the FCC ID. ;) (Last year, Motorola did not list all the LTE bands the XT1225 Moto Maxx had, even in their official specs -- until they released the identical XT1225 Moto Turbo in India. THEN, then finally listed all the HSPA/LTE bands we had already found. )

Just like with last year's Quarks, Motorola swears all the Kinzies are identical in specs except for CDMA/LTE differences:

https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
[Droid Turbo 2 General] BobBruff:
Scratches?

How do things look as far as scratchability of the screen? I saw several hands-on reviews that mentioned it being bad, but I couldn't tell if the screen really does scratch easily or if it's just because the reviewers dropped the screen face down on the pavement so many times that inevitable scratching occurred. I'm thinking about holding off on purchasing until 1. it's been through more real-world testing or 2. some decent after-market screen protectors come out. My only other worry is...I. hate. screen. protectors.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] gfrrt:
Yeah I hate them too. Going without one myself and testing it out. Only been a short while but so far it's good with everyday normal use. If it scratches easily then I'll buy and replace the outer screen for 30.00 and then I'll use screen protectors.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] BobBruff:
Do they have official screen replacements yet for the outer screen? I haven't been able to locate any yet online.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] gfrrt:
http://www.motorola.com/us/protection/droid-turbo-2/moto-shattershield-lens-replacement.html
[Droid Turbo 2 General] graymonkey44:
So why is everyone complaining that the screen scratches so easily? It looks like it can easily be managed with screen replacements. At least the screen can be maintained instead of having permanent scratches from Glass screens.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] gfrrt:
Idk. I'm running mine without for a while to see. I'm sure if you drop it onto concrete or abrasive surface it'll scratch/scuff. But everyday use I'm guessing it should hold up pretty good. But I will be using a thin protective case for the body. I don't want it dinged up. And this will also protect the screen from scratches when laying face down.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Eddie Hicks:
Permanent scratches? I've had a glass screen protector on my S4 for over a year. I haven't removed it since it's been on but there are no scratches. Once it's on it doesn't move around. If it scratches from a break then the phone screen probably would have been damaged anyway without the protector. My understanding is that the Turbo has a plastic outer screen which is probably why people say they see scratches on display models. I'm leaning towards getting a Turbo and probably in a couple of days. If I get it I want to put a glass screen protector on it. A couple reviews imply that all those screens on the phone to protect it from damage cause it to be dimmer than it should be. My concern is if an additional layer would degrade the screen brightness even more.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] bigv5150:
I just put a cheap clear screen protector on my dt2 and can't tell the difference. Why pay 30 bucks to replace the top level when for 5 bucks I got 6 protectors.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] asuhoops8628:
got my turbo 2 today and have been using it for about half a day.

Brightness is not a factor at all for me. Idk why people have mentioned this as an issue. I have the brightness set at about 20% and its perfect for indoor use. This is the exact same area I had my Maxx set to previously. Only time will tell in bright sun, but i dont see there being an issue...

ROM is buttery smooth, was able to disable MOST VZW bloat. Still a couple things hanging around in there, but they are not bad ones from what i can tell.

I MISS ROOT!!!! I probably will give the turbo to my gf and get the force for myself when it comes out. I need to tinker and play with stuff and this doesnt cut it.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] alhadee12:
I wonder if a screen protector would put a non-removable layer of residue on the screen since it's plastic.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] bigv5150:
Its not just plastic it has a special coating I can't see it causing any issues. That being said even if it did it replaceable so no harm no foul.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] alhadee12:
I just don't want to add any additional cost. I'm using mine as is at this moment because I would like to see if it's a keeper.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] bigv5150:
I hear you that's why I went with the cheapo protectors didn't want to drop 30 bucks every time I got a scratch.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
Well, I dropped my phone this morning onto stone tile. No screen damage. But, the aluminum chassis has a dent. Dang it! Only had it a week. I took it out of the case for less than 24 hours to see if I'd like it that way. Oops.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] LordCapi:
How does the screen actually feel when you touch it?? Does it really feel like it is plastic? Does it feel too soft? I would apreciate someone telling me their experience on that cause I really want this phone (the Moto X Force version) and the plastic thing gets me back...

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[Droid Turbo 2 General] JasonJoel:
The screen is very slick, and not soft. I think many/most people would never know it is plastic without being told.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] bigv5150:
This us is why I stick with moto and why this phone beats any phone out there. I dare you to do one of these tests with another phone and see the after affect. Let alone the last absolutely ridiculous test. http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/...shatterproof-droid-turbo-2-with-minimal-luck/
[Droid Turbo 2 General] alhadee12:
It feels smooth and my thumb glides across with no problem. I don't notice that its plastic.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] LordCapi:
I'm happy to hear that, hope it doesn't disappont me when I get it

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[Droid Turbo 2 General] alhadee12:
If you can go into a store, do so. If not and there's a return policy, check it out and of you don't like it return it. That's what I would do.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] LordCapi:
Its not out in europe yet, and I dont think it is ever going to b displayed on a store... We usually only get the famous brand ones on the stores

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[Droid Turbo 2 General] alhadee12:
OK, check with Motorola. I'm not sure how the process works in Europe.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] BobBruff:
I've been checking my local Best Buys for a demo unit the last week or so since I'm someone that usually needs to have a device in hand before I buy. They finally put one out yesterday and I must say I am in love. Seriously, I can't remember the last time a device felt this good in hand. The build quality feels really solid, I love the rubberized back (although now I want to feel the nylon), really nice metal frame, I like the thickness vs. some of these thin devices I can't seem to hold onto and for all the people who say this is an ugly device--I think it looks great. Yes, even the Verizon logo which people have described as "in-your-face" actually seems pretty subtle to me with just the check, especially when considering some other carrier branding I've seen in the past. The branding to me seems toned down from what they could have done and what they have done before.

Now, with that said I still have a few things holding me back: screen brightness (seemed somewhat dim), price, scratch-ability of the display, and speaker sound (although it's got to be better than my current LG G2 with a speaker on the bottom. I'd also like to find a place that has Moto XPE on display since that's the other one I'm considering. The shatterproof display no the Turbo 2 is a huge selling point for me tho. Decisions, decisions...
[Droid Turbo 2 General] 007shark:
I just ordered mine yesterday from the Verizon store. I like the looks 10 times better than last year's model which is why I got the Sony phone last year. For me, it came down to battery life, expandable storage, moto features, and looks in that order. The shatterproof screen, wireless charging, and turbo charging is just icing on the cake. This will make my 3rd "Droid" phone.

I did compare the size of my Sony Z3v with the Turbo 2 in the store. They are almost identical in height and thickness. The Turbo 2 is just a little bit wider.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] calash:
Mine arrives yesterday afternoon. It is a great looking device and despite it being larger than my old phone I am getting use to it.

The included moro features are actually useful, especially the voice commands with the screen of.

Edit:

After a weekend of using the device I am very happy with it. My previous phone was an HTC One M7.

On full brightness the screen very sharp. Auto-dim does reduce this slightly but not tot he point where I find fault with it in every day use.

The screen feels fine but I am feeling a bit paranoid so I think I will invest in the Verizon glass screen protector.

It is a large device, a lot bigger than I was expecting. I am finding my wrist starts hurting if I try to use it too long. without tweaking my grip a bit. My folio case does not help this but I am starting to get use to it.

Sound is OK. Seeing that there was a top and bottom speaker I was hoping for stereo sound similar to my M7 but that is not the case, it only has sound from the bottom speaker, and the right side of that cluster. It is loud and front facing and I could not hear any distortion.

As I noted above I really like the various Moto voice apps. They extend the "OK Google" function very well without interfering with it. I did change to the Google Now launcher and have disabled a bunch of the Verizon bloat.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
OP Here,

I've had the device for over a month now. Other than the following few gripes, I believe it is an excellent phone:

Gripe 1: It is too big for one handed use. I am actually considering downgrading to the Maxx 1, because the T2 is too large for my hand and pocket. I hope they reverse this trend.

Gripe 2: The aluminum frame is too slippery. A bit ironic I think. While the screen is shatter proof, the phone is 10x more likely to be dropped because the frame is slippery. I dropped it in the first week and dented the aluminum frame on both top corners, even though I consider myself a careful user. I think the phone body design requires a case for grip and corner protection, which makes it even larger.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
OP Here again:

So, I decided to test my complaints about the size of this phone after using it for a month. I re-acquired a Droid Maxx 5" phone. While, the Maxx does fit in my pocket a little easier, I find the screen difficult to look at now. The crispness and clarity of the DT2 screen is noticeable, in comparison. And, even running CM12.1 the Maxx can't compete with the power of the DT2. So, it might be a case of the DT1 being the "perfect size" now that I have become accustomed to larger phones. 5" seems a bit cramped now and 5.4" seems to big to carry comfortably. 5.2" might be the Goldilocks solution.

Incidentally, the Cimo branded TPU case was a good compromise to mitigate the slipperiness. It is the thinnest case, I have come across.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
OP Here for possibly a final post on this thread. Unfortunately, last night, my DT2 developed the vertical green line of death. Evidently, others have had the same experience. I'm off to Verizon this morning to arrange a replacement. I'm a little disappointed, but I suppose all new technology has opportunity for failure. I'm not prepared to give up on Motorola, but the last few Droids I've purchased have required replacements. And, I'm rather gentle with my equipment.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Soundtallica:
You can change font size in the settings, both in Android and most apps. For icons, download Nova Launcher, which allows you to change the size of the icons. :good:
[Droid Turbo 2 General] tezjet:
Any tips on where to look? Looked into the settings and I set it to font size small and everything is still huge... Also, most games and apps let you adjust font, but the UI is still huge. I did download Nova and used it for the home page, but doesn't solve any apps. When I used to be able to see 10 messages on the screen, I now see 5. It's a first world problem, but still just something you don't realize you miss until it's gone.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] mc-paulo:
You can change the DPI of the phone without rooting via adb.

with the command:

adb shell wm density xxx && adb reboot

you set the densitiy to xxx and reboot your phone. Only thing that isn't changed are the four icons in a row on homescreen. Moto has changed the Launcher to always show 4 Icons in a row, so it does not adapt.

If you want to go back to your originil DPI just type

adb shell wm density reset && adb reboot
[Droid Turbo 2 General] tezjet:
Did that immediately when I got the new phone and it sort of works but it breaks other things in the process and most apps don't conform to that setting. Apps themselves still look at the build.prop files when determining size so again the ui stays large. Also, once you set the ppi and reboot the moto active display acts pretty funky. The touch and icons is off a bit and doesn't work as intended. For me the cons outweighed the pros when I used this method.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
My new unit arrived in the mail today. It looks like a new device, so I can't complain about that. The replacement screen is free of the green line, so we're off to a good start.

Edit: not so fast. This device won't make calls. Drops every call when all our other phones, including my last droid turbo 2, are fine. Stupid.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] corona63976:
I've had my Turbo2 since they came out and its performance is flawless. I don't know how some people can be so unlucky with devices.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
Ditto. [emoji22]
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
Replacement Turbo 2 is a new device and just dandy so far.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] jonstrong:
Excellent. We started with 3 -- one had a bad power button after a day (the "tilted button" issue - and it made on/off operation impossible) and we got a replacement quickly. With the replacement in hand, all 3 have been superb phones. Fast, solid, great battery life, super fast charging. I also like the thin layer of "Moto" features over Android. Really enjoying the phone, and looking forward to Marshmallow when it becomes available for us -- just fine, though, in the meantime.
[Droid Turbo 2 General] Martingitdave:
I agree. These moto devices are my favorites. Besides Moto, the only other Android I would consider would be the new BB Priv. I like the actually useful features in the software that these companies add. And, typically the hardware is rock solid from both companies.