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[G4 General] alextop30:
I completely agree with what you said above, and the idea of the post. I just didn't agree with the 5 year thing, because in technology that is a different era. I personally believe phones need to be like computers/laptops where there is development for the old ones as there is for the new ones and if you decide that finally it is time to upgrade to get speed and so on and so on, that is when you should upgrade not the company telling you that your phone will no longer be supported because we decided not to update our stupid skinned version of the operating system. This is wrong and personally I conciser it a blatant violation of the Open Source licence which android uses and which all of these carriers are liable under. Open Source does have the stipulation of regular security updates to plug security holes which seems to not be present in the development cycle of these corporations. The market rationale is bull because the thing that actually drives your sales is your customers. If you give your customers a stable device for 3 years and leave the choice up to them when to update, you will have a lot more returning customers and thus making more money in the medium term. The problem with the companies is we want all the profit right now and next quarter we have to beat all of the profit again because our investors are constantly insecure about the stock price. I have stocks in tech companies and I do go nuts if I see the stock price dropping. The entire system is really to blame but at the end of the day it is the manufacturer that can make a stance to be different and do the right thing - customers do love a company doing the right thing. Anyway that's my 2 sense on the matter!
[G4 General] karendar:
The V10 was not planned obsolescence. It was an attempt at a higher segment of a market than the LG G4. They were aiming for the high end luxury device market.

It's nothing new that companies flood the market to get the most buyers in on their devices. Some devices work, some don't... And devices can easily last 3 years nowadays. My Nexus 5 went 2 before switching and I'll probably keep the LG G4 another 2 years... It won't even be obsolete after that. It just won't have every single phone's features... All a question of perspective.
[G4 General] laurasaurisrex:
Not everyone has issues, no. Everyone has devices made from different batches, using different apps, on different carriers, in different countries. So it's going to vary. To those who are not experiencing any issues, I say: count your blessings. It doesn't mean, however, that all of those that do have issues are "complaining about nothing".

I don't necessarily think it is realistic for companies to be supporting phones for 5 years. I understand the whole profits thing. But the G4 has been out FOR 6 MONTHS. To stop supporting a phone after 6 months is unacceptable to me as a consumer, I'm sorry. The objectives of a business in the name of profits still needs to compromise things to also maintain the objectives of their consumers. Most of us are on 1 year device cycles, a lot still do 2 years or more. If LG has software improvements that they are using in the V10, I definitely 100% expect it to also benefit the G4 at this point. Not "features" necessarily, because new features are the selling points of new phones. But behind-the-scenes improvements? Definitely. Especially since the G4 has the issues it does. We shouldn't be forced to upgrade because the phone suffers from software issues that the manufacturer/carrier doesn't bother to fix in the first year.

I'm not going to lay all the blame on LG though. The international version has been fairly well supported it seems with a handful of OTAs, and it did seem like they had gotten some issues worked out. I'm in the US, unfortunately, at the mercy of the carriers. Verizon has only given 2 OTAs so far - taking their sweet time getting the Stagefright patch to us, and breaking things in the process. Buying the 6P was driven partially because I won't have to bother with that anymore.
[G4 General] DirgeExtinction:
You were saying?
[G4 General] AhsanU:
Cannot tell if serious.

The 6P has a fingerprint scanner, quicker and more meaningful updates (the 6.0 upgrade according to many was meaningless on the G4, the update to 6.0 on my N9 made a difference), front facing speakers, no fiasco regarding unlocking the bootloader, and more dev support because of lack of aforementioned bootloader restrictions.

The G4 is a great phone, but it's far from a "real winner" this year. I've enjoyed mine, but will be happily upgrading to the 6P as soon as Google decides to ship it. I wish the 6P had a micro SD card slot, but 128GB's is enough, and only cost a small amount more than the G4 when it first came out, even after tax. At this point, I'd rate the G4 a top tier phone ahead of Samsung, but behind Sony and now Google.

And lol @ the burn-in screen. I don't intend on burning my phone with a lighter, then applying a heavy amount of force causing it to break in half. There are a few videos online showing people that didn't burn their phones prior to bending it, and they couldn't bend it. So that video showing the 6P being broken in half is not exactly accurate.
[G4 General] xDreDz:
I like trains
[G4 General] style34:
[MENTION=5459979]AhsanU[/MENTION], I think he had in mind about the well known issue about the amoled screens, called burn in. Google it. And been an owner of 4 Galaxy S's I assure you it is a big issue and the major reason to not go again with the S6.
[G4 General] DoKaTSuYa:
It's up to you guys, but something sure is that the LG G4 is the best camera so far, only the Lumia 950 XL can be better...but not Android.

And about the burn screen, I meant that the Amoled + Softkey really really sucks, it's not as Samsung with touch capactitif buttons under the screen, so yeah there is a real burn screen with Amoled.
[G4 General] AhsanU:
Ah I see. I thought he meant the whole bending farce that people have been harking about.
[G4 General] zkyevolved:
No one, really, NO ONE should buy a phone based on what it COULD be in the future with updates. Everything should be bought "as is." The only EXPECTATIONS should be that bugs are fixed.

The Nexus line is great for updates. So is the Lumia line, if you like Windows Phone. iOS is also good for updates in a timely fashion. Most every other OEM will take their sweet time if they want to support it.

You can't buy a device and be mad that a company doesn't bring new features to it 6 months later just because their newer device has these features. I understand everyone's pain, because I too want these updates, but you bought the G4 for a reason. You knew that it didn't have manual controls for video, and yet now, 6 months later, you want them and are pissed that they haven't brought them yet or if they're going to? Believe me I understand your rage. But also lower your expectations. I don't know about your G4, but mine lasts ALL day with the battery, I can even get 2 days some times. The camera is superb. It's a decent design and runs cool every moment.

Do I want a V10? Yeah! But I'm very happy with my G4. It does everything LG promised when it was released.
[G4 General] daglesj:
I read through these forums and all I see are "Experts on how to **** up your Phone!" Some of you should stop playing around with them and try them stock. You might find you get on better cos it seems a lot of you haven't a clue what you are doing.
[G4 General] One Twelve:
Would not be surprised if the G4 had a two year development cycle. LG put in that much time before it hit the shelves.

A flagship is good for 4 years. That is to say a flagship today will be matched by an entry level in 4 years time.

I most defintely expect 2-4 years of use. I know updates will stop in 18 months. But frankly i don't care. My other devices are on kk and work just great.

people are always worried about getting the latest and greatest. I'm coming to dread that. L was a so so update. Is there anything in L that really was essential ? what about m. I dont like how they're enforcing encryption. Where's the cpu for that coming from.

What you said was more true two years ago when these things were not that mature. People talk of plateaus and how there is little to be excited about. I'm glad things are stabilising. it makes it easier to get on with the rest of life :)

I have no idea what drives these companies with some of the products they put out and the decisions they make. Profit is the motive and staying in business is the driver. Its very confusing if you look from the outside and don't have inside info.
[G4 General] the_scotsman:
What he said. This thread is rather stupid.
[G4 General] One Twelve:
v10 makes me cheer for LG for a second time this year. how many companies can that be said of.

v10 is v1, lets see what they have in store for v2 :)

but that size has got to reduce.
[G4 General] zkyevolved:
Personally, I'd love a 5.7" device. If I didn't have the G4 I'd buy the V10 in a heartbeat. I think the size is actually a strong point for me! Haha. But to each his own! :D.
[G4 General] kyogiro:
Aside from poor battery life, everything works flawlessly in my G4.

I don't think it's the best device of 2015 but it is definitely one of the most affordable top tiers phone of this year. I would rank it behind the Note 5 (not available in Europe) and the 6P (way more expensive in Europe).
[G4 General] dontpannic:
What a ridiculous thread. I can't believe that we share a planet with people who think this way.

When you bought your G4 (which was released in what, May?) you looked at the selections around at the time and made a decision. If you only recently bought the G4, the V10 has been announced for a while so you would have known what you wanted to buy.

As far as I can see it (and correct me if I'm wrong):

Small notification only screen

Manual video controls

Bigger screen

Different design

Personally, I don't want a second screen. It's always on (burn in central), and because of the LG specific application, software updates will take longer, and base Cyanogenmod etc will never be able to use it. Would I trade quick software updates for a second screen? No.

Manual video controls. Very nice feature, if it's something you want or will use then the V10 should be your choice of phone. THE G4 WAS NEVER ADVERTISED WITH MANUAL VIDEO CONTROLS. Therefore expecting them to be ported to the G4 as part of an update is not only silly, but extremely naive.

Bigger screen? No. When I was looking at phones, I wanted removable battery + sd card and 5". Unfortunately that didn't exist, so I went with the 5.5" (which I still find a little on the big side). To up that again to 5.7"? No! If I wanted a phablet I'd buy a phablet. I don't want a phablet, I want a phone.

Different design. Meh.

This isn't planned obsolescence either - for those of you who are saying it. The G4 isn't obsolete - the V10 is aimed at a completely different target audience. The G4 is still on track to be the first phone updated to Marshmallow (outside of Nexus devices) and it still runs fantastically.

Do I want the 6P? Sure, nice specs, I much prefer stock Android) but again, too big a screen, the visor looks hideous, and I can't be doing without any form of external storage (or quick, easy battery replacement).

If you want a V10, or a 6P, then go out and buy one! You don't need to come here and whinge about the G4 in order to justify to yourself that you want to make the switch. Most of us here are completely happy with our G4's and will remain so. Mouthing off about LG not bringing features (never promised, expected or advertised features, remember) to another phone in the range is ridiculous.

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You are not the only one. No issues here either - very happy with my G4!
[G4 General] One Twelve:
Ah, but that's just it, its not a 5.7" device. Its a 5.9" device with a 5.7" screen.

coming from a 4.7" i figure 5.5 is easier than going to 5.9 :)
[G4 General] dontpannic:
Who said that LG has stopped supporting the G4?

Who says there are software improvements on the V10 that haven't come to the G4?

All I'm seeing is people expecting that headline features from a different model of phone haven't been confirmed to be coming to the G4. Complaining that the V10 gets manual video controls whereas the G4 doesn't.

If you can point me in the direction of other software fixes or enhancements (behind the scenes - NOT new features that the G4 doesn't currently have through software updates) that are beneficial to both phones, please link me to them.

Please do bear in mind of course that the V10 ships with Android 5.1.1 (no noticeable changes for the most part from 5.1 for most devices). The reason I brought that up? The G4 will be the first LG device to get Android 6.0. The testing phase has already started in Poland. Those hypothetical software improvements you mention (I say hypothetical as you quite clearly state:

emphasis my own.)

So, lets track back slightly. The G4 gets 6.0 first. It has improvements beyond that of the V10. This point suddenly becomes completely null and void. We don't know what behind the scenes improvements there are on the V10, but as soon as 6.0 comes along, there surely won't be any!

This really intrigues me. What issues? The international version has been EXTREMELY well supported. Bearing in mind how long the phone has been out, a handful of OTA's has been pretty much one per month (my H815 went from v10a, v10b, v10c, v10d, to v10e) - much more frequent than that and you're into 2 a month! All day-zero touchscreen issues have been completely eradicated, and stagefright was patched quickly. They're the only issues many of us faced.

Leave the zinger till the end, why don't you! You're in the US. US carriers are notoriously terrible at updating phones - none of your hatred for LG should actually be directed at LG - your lack of OTA's and unoptimised software is totally the fault of whichever US carrier manages your phone updates.
[G4 General] daglesj:
I know, some folks really have a warped sense of reality, either that or we have a lot of 12 year olds on this site. Most people here seem a real liability when it comes to tech and what they expect from it.

I wouldn't let any of them touch my phones or IT. I don't tend to mess around with my phones and my G4 experience has been fantastic so far. None of the issues 'the fiddlers' are getting.
[G4 General] petermg:
Be my guest! LOL!
[G4 General] babyschmoof:
V10 is just a G4 with a few more options. Most G4s work quite well (unless you got a Sprint screw-up, which I did and got replaced). If you have screen lag, go into developer mode and change all transitions to .5 from 1.

In the US, we are at the mercy of providers for updates. It's time they let LG handle updates, but then providers lose $$ on crapware.

The G4 is solid with a great camera. If you are posting just to bash, troll elsewhere, as you are not productive in this forum. If you felt the need to switch, then godspeed.
[G4 General] spartan268:
I'm a fiddler and I'm not even getting a lot of the issues I've seen. Seems like a lot of folks just simply aren't doing their research in detail
[G4 General] DeadSOL:
People whine a lot in this thread.

Whilst I absolutely love the manual video controls on the V10, it's okay that LG hasn't brought them to the G4... yet. I bought this phone for the features it had and LG has delivered on their promise. So far, I'm still loving the phone. It takes amazing photos.
[G4 General] Devhux:
I always buy a phone for what it can do; not what it might do in the future. While the V10's manual video mode would be nice, it's not a must-have feature for me. I fully don't expect to see it in my G4.
[G4 General] mingkee:
This gives me laugh.

Now I have both.

Performance wise, V10 isn't much better than G4, but the banner is pretty convenient when toggling apps.
[G4 General] Stories:
So... LG releasing another phone is a bad thing or an unexpected announcement? Yikes...
[GiONEE Elife E7] Aaron Cruz:
I recently updated to 4.4 and all was running fine, but when I installed Xposed framework and restarted the phone, the message "Unfortunately, Navi Launcher has stopped", then I tried to go the settings, but the phone showed the same message "Settings has stopped", so I couldn´t go to the settings. The same history with Nova Launcher, the file explorer and other settings-related apps like Link2SD. I tried to install the 2.5.1 and 2.5 versions of xposed and nothing. I rebooted into recovery and wiped cache partition and nothing. What can i do?
[GiONEE Elife E7] parkpark9999:
With File Mánager in TWRP, enter in data>app and delete all relationed with xposed...
[GiONEE Elife E7] vishu sharma:
xpose

:cowboy:i think gionee firmware dont support xposed:fingers-crossed:
[General Questions and Answers] jhilke:
i want to use 2 viber accounts on my phone.

i'm noob to do it myself. so i request humbly to all devs to recompile and rename the viber apk so that i/we can install two viber apps and use 2 or more different accounts ;)

ps: as i said i'm noob. i tried decompiling and recompiling myself but it didnt worked.
[XDA Assist] carmeh:
hello my phone was rooted and by mistake and update were installed so it became on system recovery mode i dont knnow what to do ive tryed many things but it stoped during installing and nothing wanted to work it only now on the no command screen and the options of recovery ofcourse so if you guys can help pleas help me its ( HTC desire 620G deul sim )
[XDA Assist] It_ler:
Please check this thread: [TROUBLESHOOTING]/!\ Root | S-OFF | Flashing | RUU | Bootloop | Brick | Resources /!\ by bortak.

There are many useful advices and guides.

If you have further questions or need additional help, please ask in this thread directly.

For general questions about your device, you can also ask in the Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum.

Good luck !
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rigattoni:
Hi,

I have some problems with the following combination:

LG G4 as Phone connected to my AppRadio (BT)

Pioneer AppRadio3

Android Box with 4.4.1 which is connected by HDMI to mirror the Android screen to my AppRadio. (Touch screen by ARUR with BT)

If I connect my G4 by BT to my AppRadio, it´s not possible to connect my Android Box for working with ARUR to get touch screen working.

If I kill the connection with my G4 it works as expected and I´m able to use the touch screen on my AppRadio.

I switched from HTC One M7(Android 5.0.2) to my new G4 (5.1) and I had no problem to connect my M7 and the Android box with my AppRadio to get both working, so this issue seems to be phone related.

Do you guys have any idea how to fix this issue?

It´s not really usable as is now...
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rigattoni:
No ideas at all???
[Sony Xperia L] hemskie:
can anyone help me or does anyone experienced my issue when i flash stock rom with flash tool in my xperia L (c2104) it doesn't go on

1/004/2015 07:04:34 - INFO - Please connect your device into flashmode.

01/004/2015 07:04:35 - INFO - Device connected in flash mode

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Opening device for R/W

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Reading device information

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Phone ready for flashmode operations.

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Opening TA partition 2

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Current device : Unknown: Nov 1 2013/13:06:21 - ZH80005EMC - Unknown: Nov 1 2013/13:06:21 - Unknown: Nov 1 2013/13:06:21 - Unknown: Nov 1 2013/13:06:21

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Closing TA partition

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Start Flashing

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Processing loader.sin

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Checking header

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Flashing data

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Loader : S1_Root_dbe9 - Version : loader_MSM8X30_10 / Boot version : S1_Boot_MSM_8X30_R1_25 / Bootloader status : ROOTABLE

01/004/2015 07:04:37 - INFO - Max packet size set to 512K

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Making a TA backup

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Opening TA partition 1

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Start Dumping TA partition 1

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Finished Dumping TA partition 1

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - TA partition 1 saved to C:\Flashtool\registeredDevices\ZH80005EMC\s1ta\2015-10-31_07-05-02\1.ta

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Closing TA partition

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Opening TA partition 2

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Start Dumping TA partition 2

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Finished Dumping TA partition 2

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - TA partition 2 saved to C:\Flashtool\registeredDevices\ZH80005EMC\s1ta\2015-10-31_07-05-02\2.ta

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Closing TA partition

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Ending flash session

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - ERROR -

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - ERROR - Error flashing. Aborted

01/005/2015 07:05:02 - INFO - Device connected in flash mode

01/005/2015 07:05:03 - INFO - Device disconnected

it says there "current device unknown" but i've already installed the drivers found in the flashtool folder my device is c2104 i have tried several stock rom but its all the same thx in advance

here is my device info with custom rom gladev2.0

01/043/2015 07:43:40 - INFO - Connected device : C210X

01/043/2015 07:43:40 - INFO - Installed version of busybox : BusyBox v1.22.1 bionic (2015-04-18 18:14 +0200) multi-call binary.

01/043/2015 07:43:40 - INFO - Android version : 5.1 / kernel version : 3.4.0 / Build number : LMY47O

01/043/2015 07:43:40 - INFO - Checking root access

01/043/2015 07:43:41 - INFO - Root Access Allowed
[Sony Xperia L] stuckbootloader:
I have the same problem here; on a c2105 though.
[Sony Xperia L] hemanathanvicky:
Same problem here. Did this problem arise after flashing any custom ROM.

In my case, this problem raised after flashing CM 12.1. Before that it was perfectly alright.
[Sony Xperia L] Lorenz15:
Just flash a Android 4.2.2 based rom, then you can flash stock rom without problems:)
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CarlosAbia:
SORRY to keep bringing this up, I know I know it's been "discussed" before, but just straight up answers now

So I've been reading you guys and seen there's been issues with the Nexus, like the screen, the back lower part, etc. I got the money to buy either of these, so I need your help plz

Which do you prefer, and WHY?
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kevinallen4325:
I've had every note series except the 5. Besides aesthetics, it wasn't a crazy enough leap to justify the price. I was a huge samsung fanboy for so long. However, I just received my nexus 6p a few days ago and I can't believe it. No matter what i did to my note, which rom i was on, how much i overclocked it, my phone never felt this good. Everything about the nexus is just wonderful. Looking back, I wish i didn't wait so long to make the switch.
[Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bxrider117:
I've had the note 2 and note 3. I switched to LG phones after the note 3. I jumped back on he Samsung wagon with the S6. My S6 is rooted and my carrier is Verizon. I'm actually tired of rooting a phone to get it some where near up to par. I'm waiting on the 6p. I want a phone that just works and runs stock Android. I want to receive updates when they are released and not when my carrier or manufacturer decides to release it. This is one of the things I admire about Apple iPhone. No carrier stops them from releasing an update. The Nexus 6p is going to give me that with a phone that has a good camera.

If given a choice I would pick Nexus over any other Android device.