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[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
So to see your results, I need to root and use Trickster Mod or some such to change parameters, plus, decrypt. But then I loose Android Pay (well, not loosing it is a pain. Not into pain vmuch). Don't mean to snark, but, as others have said, if I can't get useable battery out of the box, it seems a bit pointless to have an N5X. Cheaper alternatives.

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From the link, "Doze gives the Nexus 5X really killer standby battery life...if you use it on and off during the day, it won't be in Doze mode much." So, for good battery life, don't use the phone. Makes sense!
[Nexus 5X General] szucsgf:
Actually:

1. The only root required changes I made are to increase performance and therefore are more likely to shorten battery life.

2. I got similar battery results with 100% stock configuration, which I posted earlier in this thread if you'd like to search and see.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
Interesting, thx.

Your prv post, with details, did not mention stock, although "This is the first battery half cycle on this phone" might imply such. My bad.

Still, because of my experience, and quite a few others' (although I'm obv. speaking for myself), the" 4-5 hr of SOT" stuff seems unimaginable.

The sage observations from some to the effect that battery life is very user-dependent, while true, is like saying "you must keep in mind that the sky is blue (during the day)". I, for one, found the phone to last << a day just using twitter, search, a call or three, a news app, a map once or twice. I've been ravenously searching this thread, hoping to find some magical portal to the land of 4 hr SOT. I thought your recent root post might be it - setting the max cpu down - but using root. Alas...
[Nexus 5X General] big_b0sss:
Folks with 4+ hours sot did you guys get the small update from Google? I'm guessing that update meant to improve battery life
[Nexus 5X General] 95Z28:
I think I did receive an update as soon as powering my 5X up the first time, but don't remember for certain. Here are screenshots from my 2nd full charge, been about the same since. Not sure why there are WiFi patches under usage bar as WiFi was off the whole time (including scanning under location). Adaptive brightness was on, location high accuracy, 2 accounts syncing, and pretty good signal the majority of the time.

Had left charger at work and woke up to still find 2%. Sometime between leaving house at 0730 and plugging in at 0800 the phone did end up dying.
[Nexus 5X General] szucsgf:
I understand, and I'm also confused about why there is such a big discrepancy in the battery life people experience. I wish I had a solution. Typically the biggest causes of bad battery life are either wakelocks or poor signal. I do hope everyone checks those variables before claiming the N5X has bad battery life.

And just to be 100% clear, I didn't lower max CPU.
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
I always figured Chrome Beta would be worse battery life because it is beta and still not fully tested but I'll take a look. Thanks.

I wish I was as lucky. I have only 1 Google account syncing, location on battery saving, WiFi most of the time, manual brightness set to like 20% and really good reception. I'm lucky if I get 4 hours SOT. Usually like 3.5 hours.
[Nexus 5X General] aamir123:
I didn't notice much difference from chrome, chrome beta, or #nochromo, there may have been a minor differences there but not major.

Still looking for an alternative but chrome provides so many conveniences that it's hard to move on.
[Nexus 5X General] lopri:
1) Performance wise - loading pages feels slower and scrolling seems struggling. I wish I had more than "feelings," but GPU rendering profile does not seem to work in browsers - it would be a decisive proof.

2) Efficiency wise - when compared to other browsers (namely, Opera and Lightning+) it registers more percentages, under my typical browsing scenario, in battery usage

And following this thread those who are not getting decent battery life have Chrome in common in their screenshots (well, that and mediocre network signals), which kind of reinforced my experience.

Perhaps I should not have generalized so quickly? Please correct me if I am wrong.

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On a second thought, it could be that your 5X might be performing too well. :D I noticed that A57s' in the S808 (of my 5X) behave rather conservatively - i.e. throttle and shut themselves off quite liberally as device temp rises. Thus my assumption on seemingly efficiency of the 5X is that most of the work is done by the "LITTLE" cores (A53s). If for some reason your 5X'es "big" cores are not as sensitive to heat, then that might contribute to shorter battery life (while providing better performance). It is a wild guess, though. Haha.

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My 5X had an update right out of the box so I have no idea what it did. But I did have an update. Today I had 5 hours SOT including 1 hour of navigation (GPS only, no battery saving location service), with 20% left at the end of the day. I don't do social media, though. Oh, and another thing - the phone was on mobile data all day. No WiFi.

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[Nexus 5X General] ghettopops:
I have to say that I've consistently gotten a full day outta mine. I wake and unplug around 9:17am and go to bed at 3:30am with 25-29%. I stream Netflix, text, email and surf while using Bluetooth for 14 hrs. I have no complaints about the battery holding up.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
What phone are you using? { :) }. Surisly - do you have any special setting? Wifi off? whatev?
[Nexus 5X General] Pilz:
Well I doubt it would 'stutter' like it did if it were actually using the large cores al of the time. The cores are still clocked really low compared to most other phones so it should be more efficient not less. The phone without frequently get warm as it drained fast so its possible there was more at play than just one thing
[Nexus 5X General] keijikage:
Ran geekbench again, and was unable to significantly increase the run time. I would be really surprised if the discrepancy is due to hardware variation, but I can't think of anything else that would cause such a gap
[Nexus 5X General] xepter:
For reference purposes I got rid of chrome and switched to a different browser and I'm noticing much better battery life not like what people are posting but improving. Use to get like 2 hours sot now like almost 3 in same 12 hours. But man do I miss chrome
[Nexus 5X General] mr mystery:
This. Anyone?
[Nexus 5X General] aamir123:
what browser did you switch to?
[Nexus 5X General] ghettopops:
Just to clarify, I am on 5x. I mostly end up with around 2.5-3 hrs of SoT (still have 25% left) my typical day does not allow me to sit on my phone for 4-5 hrs. But like I said, this phone get me through 18 hr days and I always charge over night so im good.
[Nexus 5X General] xepter:
I switched to ghostery for the ad block thing

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I got an update on first boot up still get mediocre battery life
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
You won't find a device that improves your battery life because it seems to be more likely it is an application or a setting or environmental stuff which is causing the drain, and you're doing absolutely nothing to try and analyse what it is except using some random application which is meant to monitor the battery etc (news flash: things which add more monitoring will require more wake-ups to the system).

You've done nothing to prove that your phone is faulty in the first place, and without such evidence it must be assumed the phone is "normal" and you have simply applied something bad to the phone.

For example, I've never put the fakebook app onto my phone because that app was always a resource hog and killed my battery.
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
Slighty off topic:

Just a heads up, Ghostery is actually owned by an advertising company and sells user data to advertisers.

I use Chrome on my rooted 5X with AdAway hosts file blocking installed. Firefox allows add ons (I recommend uBlock Origin for adblocking), but I don't really like their mobile browser. Haven't tried any of the others, since Chrome Beta works well enough and syncs with my desktop, (and sorta back on topic) I also get decent battery life.
[Nexus 5X General] Pilz:
Thank you for assuming I didn't try to determine what the issue was. I used GSam battery monitor one day, flashed each factory image (tested on different days), used the device without installing any of my apps etc... I did a fair amount of troubleshooting. I don't see a point in detailing every little thing I did with the phone. I used the phone 100% stock as mentioned which made 0 improvements and I also used the phone the exact same way I did my Nexus 6. I have 0 social media apps, and I enabled all of the same settings. I also go to the same places and do the same things every day since I'm a college student. I tested it against known stats for my other phone (Nexus 6 as mentioned) and it was utterly terrible. The 5X has an issue otherwise how can the phone experience such mediocre battery life with a decent size battery, 1080P display etc... I have a friend with a G4 who gets better battery life and that has a 2k display as I'm sure you are aware. The battery difference is a trivial 300mah, and it has the same processor with more bloatware installed. I wasn't going to waste more time than the week I did with the phone to troubleshoot it. Clearly if the issues persisted over the course of a week+ despite trying multiple different methods to find the issue then there is likely a bigger problem. I don't know why you are trying to argue and call me out for something which other people are experiencing in this OP, but I will happily support all of my earlier statements.
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
So you said you reflashed your device and used it "stock".

So at what point in your testing did you notice the device draining battery? Are you saying the screen is using up the battery? Did the extra drain start as soon as you set up your google account on it or before? What about when you put the SIM card in (or was it before that)? Did the battery drain start when you left a certain area and started moving around?

The screen by itself should drain ~3% every 30 minutes at a locked 50% brightness, to last around 14-15 hours, when the phone is doing nothing.

The Google syncing and wifi being on and connected didn't really change the draining by much at all.

I had Google music playing streaming music and the screen on for an hour and the phone drained 10% (meaning I would get between 9-10 hours of use doing that).

I haven't been able to test much more than that currently as I have to obtain a different SIM card, but all of that was obtained over about 3 hours of time as I slowly introduced features and settings (the music test was a little unscientific).

Nexus 6 is 32-bit, different chipset, etc. Expecting the exact settings/apps to perform the same is a little silly (especially if things aren't optimized yet). So is trying to work backwards to try and find an issue.

You don't go all out and then try to work backwards to find the issue, you add bits in isolation and see the outcome. All I've seen is you saying "I used the phone and nothing changed the battery usage" and "I used it the same as phone x", and then there's the "my friend has phone y and says it does z".

If you don't want to put the effort into finding what the issue is then that's fine, my issue is with you blaming the phone with inconclusive evidence.
[Nexus 5X General] jbdan:
I have a G4 also and battery life is very similar with my 5X with the 5X slightly beating my G4 throughout a normal day for me. About 4.5 - 5hrs sot. Same exact apps with the exception of the G4 having some LG bloat (5)
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
You must be a ejut. If you weren't, you'd not post such stuff.

For non-ejuts, read Pilz's posts for some useful info.
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
Hahahahaha, "useful".
[Nexus 5X General] Pilz:
The screen was always significantly lower than Android OS or Android System and sometimes Chrome Beta on the battery stats. I don't know how accurate they are since the official build is new. I used the developer preview most of the summer on my Nexus 6 and it seemed accurate, but each phones build is slightly different. When I used the phone (screen on) the battery dropped substantially but the battery stats didn't reflect it that way. The screen was still the #3 or 4 on the list and not the #1 which is really odd. You cans see from the earlier screenshots I posted how when the screen is on the battery drops a huge amount.

There is no way the screen will only use 3% per 30 min at 50%. I put mine in airplane mode and it killed the battery just as fast with it at anything above 0 with adaptive on. I would love to see you have your phone on at 50% brightness in airplane mode see how it drains. Make a video and post it here so we can see this 'extremely efficient display' The Nexus 6 is pushing a lot more pixels than the 5X is (3,686,400 on the 6 vs 2,073,600 on the 5X) so it is a fair comparison considering the battery difference and the 5X has a more efficient 64 bit processor. There is no reason to carry on any argue when I am happy to show evidence for what I am saying as I have posted here earlier and I can post my screenshots again if you wish. I think you need to take a step back and think about what you are saying before you comment about my experience just becasue it's different than yours.

Google play music never uses a large amount of battery. I stream it and use bluetooth for my cars stereo and never lose more than 10% in an hour. The comparison you made isn't relevant since I am referring primarily to when the display is on as the big issue.

I did put plenty of effort into finding the issue as I explained before unless you didn't bother to read it. I don't see why you are so adamant about claiming people didn't do their part to find the issue when members including myself have detailed what has been done. If you don't like it get over it, I explained my experience and that's that. Everyone's experience will vary and I'm not here to bash phone a or phone b, I am here to share my honest experience and help other people out.
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
I've tried to attach 3 screenshots to this post - I hope they come out OK and aren't shown as full sized.

This was first charge-to-100%, no google account set up, simply screen on for 30 minutes, screen brightness as close to 50% as I think I can get without another app to set to a specific value.

I have some additional screenies of the settings my phone had, and also some more 30 minutes later after I set up a google account and sync, and still only ~3% used after 30 minutes.
[Nexus 5X General] ghettopops:
WiFi at the gym straight streaming Netfix.
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
Another day, pretty good SoT this day. Total time on battery: 29 hours. SoT: 6 hours.

WiFi scanning on, Google now all features default (probably enabled), mostly connected to WiFi, but some streaming music via cellular data (LTE). Probably won't let it drain to so low from now on because it's hard on the battery, but I wanted to see if I could hit 6 hours SoT.

Pretty happy this result.
[Nexus 5X General] cdlight:
Great tip. Adaptive brightness was just a little too bright for me, so I manually lowered to just below half-way and now it's just right for my tastes. Thanks!
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Nice. Based on the screen's computer power usage I would guess brightness is around 25%?

I enabled Locations using battery saver mode on WiFi and it made little difference. 50% manual brightness, everything enabled except Bluetooth and NFC.
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
Around there, with adaptive brightness turned on. Sometimes it is a little finicky, going darker or brighter seemingly randomly. I wonder if it has to do with my screen protector (Spigen GLAS.tR SLIM without cutouts for sensors).
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
If that was the case shouldn't the stand by time suffer? From most of the comments I've read the stand by time of excellent. It's the actual usage time that kills the battery.

It seems to me that the only real way to get good battery life with actual usage is for the phone maker to include a battery that is a reasonable size for the power requirements of the phone which, aside from a few rare cases, doesn't happen.

I'd like to just be able to use my phone for even my most heavy use days without even having to look at our worry about the battery dying but the companies that make the phones seem to be more obsessed with how thin the phone is instead of the battery.

If the Nexus 5X had like a 3,600mAh battery (adding maybe $2-3 to the manufacturing cost) we wouldn't really need to have this conversation.

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I would expect the Nexus 5X to be quite a bit better than the G4 for battery life. The Nexus 5X does have aa little bit smaller battery (only 10% smaller) but doesn't have all the LG boat and only has to power a display with a little more than half the number of pixels which should make a huge difference.

Holy crap. I wish I could get even close to that. WiFi scanning off, all but 30 minutes WiFi, no streaming anything, really good reception the entire day(always light or dark green), brightness at 20%(adaptive off), location battery saving. Just a few emails, texts, browsing and Facebook. I was using Chrome and the best I got was just about 4 hours. Using Lightning browser (a recommendation from another user here) has helped a little(but I like Chrome more) all that was with about 15 or so hours off the charger.

When I see numbers like what you are getting out makes me think my phone is defective.
[Nexus 5X General] dondavis007:
I'll soon have my 5x so it will be interesting to see where SOT and battery land. I've got exactly the same apps and usage on a couple of phones so the numbers will tell how good the 5x is.

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[Nexus 5X General] lopri:
Thank you for testing the phone and sharing results, but that app is highly suspect. Lots of permissions for an app that should be almost purely local.
[Nexus 5X General] lopri:
If you decide not to use Chrome, you might as well revoke whatever permissions you granted Chrome previously. Under Settings -> Apps -> Chrome -> Permissions. There are permissions for GPS, contacts, microphone, etc.

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Hey I see you have Android Wear there. I don't have one. I also had WiFi turned off. Like I said, only connectivity that was "on" during my test was LTE. No Bluetooth, No NFC, No GPS, nothing. Just mobile data.

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Battery performance under usage is not that bad, either. A53s are very efficient processors and the lion's share of heavy lifting is done by those on the 5X. I am not saying that the trouble you are experiencing is manufactured or something. I am reporting my observation. The S808's A57s throttle quickly and often shut themselves off completely. Overall I would say the 5X's battery under active use is similar to the S6's. But the 5X beats the S6 in stand-by by a mile, and the S6 beats the 5X in performance. (I do not think I have ever seen all four A57s completely shut down on the S6 under use)

But then the phone would look like something like this and people will grumble about the thickness.. :D
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
I would say it depends on the applications running. There could be a timer that kicks off using resources, camera, location, wifi scanning, screen updating, etc.

True, in principal I agree - I don't mind a thicker/heavier phone (a few mm's is not going to kill anyone) and prefer the ability to use the phone for longer periods (especially when fast charge is on the device) - but reasonable is a little subjective. I suppose that's why Project Ara is underway. Allowing us to pick the battery sizes ourselves.

Personally I don't like the idea of my device doing random stuff without me knowing about it, and want battery use only going towards things I want my phone doing.. Increasing battery size is really only a quick botch in my eyes.
[Nexus 5X General] big_b0sss:
What is your build number? Can you post a screen shot of you build baseband?
[Nexus 5X General] badenglishihave:
It is a research tool developed at a university in Michigan. When you start up the app it states "We gather: CPU use, Amount of WiFi/3G traffic (not its content), Screen brightness, GPS activity (but not location), Audio use (on/off, volume), Total power consumption, Application resource utilization (disk I/O), Phone mode, e.g., airplane mode or call status." followed by a blurb about how no personal data is collected and that you can disable sending the logs to the university in the settings menu. The source was published in 2011. I could give you a long list of apps that ask for your location or phone state when they don't "need" to, but then you'd end up never installing anything on your phone :)

Apps you shouldn't be worried about: open source research tools published at a university

Apps you should be worried about: live wallpaper with bikini babes that wants access to send text messages, make micro-transactions and make phone calls
[Nexus 5X General] PhilipL:
Hi

I doubt your device is faulty, just your situation is different to others. For example if you are using 4G, apart from a few exceptions your phone is also talking to a 3G or 2G cell to be ready to connect voice calls, so whilst you might see a good signal on 4G, what is your signal like on 3G or 2G for you usually, as it is another variable. Data over Wi-Fi uses less power as your phone only needs to transmit back to the Wi-Fi point which will be closer than a cell tower, so someone using a lot of Wi-Fi will have more power left available to add to the screen on time.

If you are constantly moving around and travelling, that will hit your battery as the phone constantly scans and renegotiates with the cell towers as it moves between them, someone sat in the same place all day immediately has an advantage with more power available for the screen and better screen on times. One person keeping the phone in their pocket for several hours a day will see less on screen time than someone who puts it down on a desk or table with all else being equal, simply because the phone needs to use a lot more power in keeping contact with the cell tower as a body absorbs the signal. Same applies to how the phone is held, if you cup the bottom of the phone when you use it you are blocking the transmit antenna, so the phone needs to transmit at a higher power. Wi-Fi transmits from the top of the phone so again has another advantage. Having a lot of notifications will also use battery, as each notification will turn on the phone and cause data to be exchanged. Some apps will drain power as well.

There are so many variables really. What if you factory reset and restore no apps, then charge to 100%, turn flight mode on, and then set the screen to stay on for a long time in settings and keep turning the screen on until the phone runs flat, what is the total on screen time now? That gives you a base line, try that and come back with the results.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
Nicely done Phil.

I basically have done as you state above (all default apps no OS or app updates, etc etc).

I've recorded a video of me going through the settings, going into airplane mode, and leaving it for ~30minutes. I'm currently uploading a video to youtube and will share the link once that is done (it currently says ~2 hours to upload a 37 min video... sheesh).