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[Nexus 5X General] achuxtreme:
Hello, this attachment is a screenshot of not using it to the minimum so that I could get record ratings, but of slightly higher than the normal usage. And by higher I mean about 30-40% more. Analyse from the awake, screen on times...

What I did.. I am so curious as I came back from ios, I check phone maybe 4-5 times every hour.

Watched YouTube around 1hour.

Played games collectively around 1-2hours. I meant I check clash of clans every time. Do some battle. And candy crush saga.

Facebook installed. Whisper, Instagram, twitter. Played a little bit asphalt 8 about 5-15min

Huge music listener (Spotify) around 3 hours approx.

I think I used Netflix too.

Web browsing with chrome.

Don't know what else to add..

Good day everybody.. ?
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
It's been updated using the normal OTA, so it has the newest build and radio. One thing that is different is that I rooted it and decrypted the user storage using this guide.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
Wow. So - just GPS off or all location off? Could you post build number? Other settings? Thx
[Nexus 5X General] achuxtreme:
Sorry that I forgot to mention GPS settings.

Locations services are all ON in every app including Facebook.

Build # in the attachment

More setting I recall;

Ambient display, auto brightness are all ON.
[Nexus 5X General] Pilz:
I understand, but there are better ways to go about asking people to support the "experiences". I mentioned that I used the phone stock without Chrome Beta and experience the same issue, there was also the issue of 'apps' or processes that only have numbers as names running. I never have the OS usage that high on any other phone I've owned and I keep my sync settings consistent across devices. For example I used my Nexus 6 yesterday from 0700-2200 with 5hrs SOT, GPS high accuracy on, background sync on, LTE data on more than wifi, wifi scanning on for the GPS, AW paired via bluetooth and I had a random reboot. If I did that on my 5X it would be dead by 1300. I did more than you think while attempting to find the issue, regardless there was an issue there shouldn't have been one. I've never owned a phone that would drain that fast, even my ASUS Zenfone 2 would last longer while tethering the whole time.... I've attached screenshots of a fairly typical day for my Nexus 6 below so you can see the difference between that and my 5X which is also attached below
[Nexus 5X General] cheezycheeto:
Yes, I am wondering the same thing! I had my longest run time on the phone so far this weekend. Idle time was just about 30 hrs with sot just over 3 hours at 2% battery life. I can only get 4-5 hours sot when i sacrifice idle time to about 14-18 hours.

Running mixed wifi/LTE, NFC off, Bluetooth off, ambient display off, about 10-15% brightness, pretty much everything else on/sync/high accuracy as far as settings and gapps. Mostly using facebook (no sync), instagram (no sync), boom beach (no sync), hangouts, gmail, and fb messenger. On vibrate for most of the day.
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Maybe not bad but surely not good. The A53s and A57s are both probably pretty efficient but they aren't the problem when it comes to battery drain during usage. It's the screen that's the biggest hog. It's hard to believe that the Nexus 5X and Galaxy S6 have similar battery life. With 78% more pixels a 6% smaller battery and TouchWiz the Galaxy S6 should get much worse battery life than the Nexus 5X.

As far as the phone being thicker I don't understand why people care. I don't understand the obsession with thinness. After a certain point(like 11mm) it's thin enough.

I see nothing wrong with the thickness of the phone in your picture.

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Damn I wish I could get those kind of numbers. I recently started using Lightning browser(which does use less battery but I don't like as much as Chrome), location on battery saving mode, 20% manual brightness and Bluetooth off too. I do have NFC on because I use Android Pay sometimes but if I understand correctly NFC should be very low power usage when it isn't in use.

I'm still only getting, at BEST, 4.25hr SOT over a period of like 13-14 hours off charger.

I would consider your battery life EXCELLENT.

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I will try the flight mode with screen on test at some point but a factory reset and no apps is kind of hard to do for me since it would make the phone unusable for me for normal usage which isn't really an option. Maybe I'll order a micro SIM to nano SIM adapter so I can use my Nexus 5 in the meantime. Plus, setting up the phone all over again from factory default is just a pain. Would starting the phone in Safe Mode provide the same results?
[Nexus 5X General] Dpat09:
Please post back on your experience. Really on the fence of getting the XPE, but the camera is really nice on the N5X/6P, not saying the XPE is bad by any means but better on the nexuses.
[Nexus 5X General] lopri:
I appreciate the further explanation. But I had no way of knowing such from your initial post. Checking out PowerTutor.org revealed nothing that I could read but what appears to be Japanese/Chinese blog that gets rarely updated.

I compared the permissions with apps such as Perfmon, Ampere, System Monitor, DevCheck, and the like. Not a babe wallpaper. (I know you just made a good natured joke there) As you can see the number of permissions that app asks for is high by the standard I expected, looking at similar apps.

I may give it a shot nonetheless. I am curious how it reads out display power separately in real time.
[Nexus 5X General] badenglishihave:
rofl I just clicked the link in the Play Store as well and saw that it redirected to a page in Japanese. I'll bet the domain name expired some time ago and was snatched up. The project doesn't appear to have been active for over 4 years.

I get why you were wary, I just know a few people who are super paranoid about permissions and I don't think they actually think critically about why an app might need them. My friend got all up in arms once about how an app wanted permission to "send and receive SMS" or something similar until I told him it needed those permissions to perform 2-factor authentication.

In any case, I found Power Tutor to be most interesting when I looked at the power usage for what I considered to be similar levels of brightness between my G2 and 5X. 35% brightness on my 5X was about the same comfort level for reading as 60% on my G2, and the power draw was fairly higher on the G2.
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
Actually no one should ask for their experiences.... Honestly, one persons experiences are worth less than nothing with regard to phone usage (and other stuff too)... I could post up screenshot of my "experiences" with the N5x showing 3 days without charging, showing over 6 hours screen on time, but without the context, without the strict control of the environment and steps for the person to perform themselves it is absolutely worthless.

Can you not see the plain and obvious fact that saying "my phone is performing terribly for me" is just totally unhelpful to share? It's about as good as proving your religion is "the right one" because of your personal experience.

The only way to hammer this home is to repeatedly say "you're using vague terms and are not doing 'tests', you're using vague terms which apply to only you and are absolutely no use to anyone".

Fair enough, I'll attach screenshots of my nexus 5 battery usage and I'll show how the N5 and N5x have slightly different profiles because of different usage patterns, but I'll describe it as a "typical day", and post up a review of CPU efficiency based on me typing out random words on both of them and my opinion of how they "feel", and assign the fault to whatever I think is the problem at that time.

Hmmm, I wouldn't be so confident with that remark.

I have a video which does a motionless screen can last up to 14+ hours. Using the CPU in any way can cut that rather dramatically, and I shall try to come up with a valid test to use lots of CPU and show the battery drain.

The purpose would be to slowly add functionality over 4-6 hours to weed out at what point the battery draining really kicks in.

BTW, video of screen using 3% was rejected as its over 15 minutes.. I'll have to edit it in two or something..

*EDIT*

Video: https://youtu.be/rp9l7d9AtNk
[Nexus 5X General] xxc0dvshal0xx:
Sorry I don't have pics yet but I do get 4hr SOT on most days. Recently have been experimenting with doze settings to increase standby.
[Nexus 5X General] gerg004:
Not too worried at the moment, as I've only had the phone since Friday and flashed the Lean ROM lastnight; but I've seen others mention this as well. What could be causing Android OS and System to be using the most battery constantly?
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Just curious, what where the other conditions with the motionless screen? I tried to do a similar test with the following conditions.

1. Restarted the phone and didn't open any apps.

2. Set screen time out to like 15 minutes.

3. Waited for the percent to drop to the next full point (so I knew the test was including an entire percent and not from like XX.3% to XX.0%)

4. Started the timer and left the phone at the home screen until it dropped to the next % point.

If I remember correctly I got like 6 minutes for 1%. If I expand that out to a full battery cycle it would have been ~600 minutes or ~10 hours assuming the battery drained at a linear rate(which it doesn't). I didn't put it in airplane mode, I was on wifi, set at manual brightness of ~20%, in an area of very good reception(dark green on the "Cellular Network Signal" bar in battery info). Under those same conditions with the screen off it takes ~4 hours for the battery to drop 1%. Now I am well aware that with the screen on(even on a motionless screen) the CPU was more active than it would be with the screen off. I'm also aware this isn't the most scientific test. However, having the screen on made the battery drain 40x faster. Obviously part of that was due to the phone doing things while the screen was on that it wouldn't do with the screen off but a 40x increase does seem like a lot to me. Seems unlikely to me that enough other things were going on with the phone to account for the majority of that increase in battery drain. Especially since no apps were opened since restarting the phone.

Even in your own test of of ~14 hours of a motionless screen is still a drain of about 7% per hour which is a lot more than the 0.25% per hour that is possible with the screen off. Even in your test that is an increase in battery drain of 28x. And think of it this way, you may have gotten ~14 hours in that situation but with the screen off you likely would have gotten, just a rough guess, probably like a week.

I also want to add that I don't think putting it in airplane would would have made any difference since the battery drain by being connection to the cell network(regardless of signal strength) shouldn't really be effected by the screen being on or off.

With that huge of a difference between the screen being off and the screen being on but the phone being (mostly) idle I have a hard time believing that the screen isn't the biggest part of that drain.

BTW, the video is marked as private on YouTube.

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I hear what you are saying about some people being super paranoid about permissions. A friend of my was freaking out because the Facebook app wants access to the camera. He thought Facebook was spying on him and I'm like "don't you take pictures? directly from the Facebook app sometimes? Well then, it needs access to the camera.".
[Nexus 5X General] big_b0sss:
Do i have the latest update?
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
I just got a new phone. It downloaded an update... Looks like I'm more up-to-date...
[Nexus 5X General] big_b0sss:
No wonder why my battery life is crap, its been almost 3 weeks didn't receive any ota. Any other ways to get updated?
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
MDB08I is the latest OTA that I've seen, although MDB08M and MDB08L images exist.

You can unlock your bootloader and flash the latest build, takes a bit of technical knowledge though. Your battery life might improve, but it might be exactly the same. It's usually dependant on usage and apps installed.
[Nexus 5X General] paul_one:
The settings are in the video, and I can describe the steps that led up to that moment (for example chrome hadn't even been opened and neither had photos, etc). I've now set it as unlisted - which is what it should have been in the first place.

I would say that if you try to measure over a small time period then obviously things get a little less certain when you try to scale them up. I know I will have roughly +/-0.5% accuracy on the output on both readings, but as the readings are taken over longer periods minor fluctuations and a small inaccuracy of the readings means they should scale and be more representative... But I accept your statements.

I am not sure what the difference in brightness does at the moment.. I'll run a test this evening.

Wifi being on or off (but not used) didn't seem to change the results - I will be testing with network/wifi load soon.

Yes, certainly - my phone was showing about the same as you quoted last night, ~0.25% an hour.

Then again I watched a youtube video and watched about 15% drain in about 30 minutes - and if ~3% of that is the screen, the other 12% is various parts of the SOC and the network transfer of data.

Thanks.
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
There's not much point comparing numbers unless other factors are taken out of the equation, including signal levels.

Also 1% drain can not be extrapolated to 100% of the device. Making sure its close to 1% is one thing but you can't tell when the phone will try to sync or perform random background tasks. This wouldn't matter as much if you were comparing longer periods of usage because those random background tasks would mostly average out but this is only one of many reasons you've probably never seen anybody trying to claim a 1% drain to be the same as a 100% of a device. Other reasons include that batteries are not expected to drain in a linear fashion so 1% drain won't even be identical every time.

As I was attempting to say before there's no point trying to reinvent the wheel as battery comparisons and tests are quite straight forward and we have enough data to use from real sources to not have to base our understanding on watching a percent disappear. Even the longer drains we share are mostly useless as something like cell phone providers and signal levels alone can make a noticeable difference on battery life, even if every other factor was identical.

Our best option to compare the 5x to other devices at this moment is from phonearena here. All devices are equalized to 200nits brightness and they're using a standardized battery drain test.

[IMG="Example 5x comparison"]http://i.imgur.com/6NLgl7j.jpg[/IMG]
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
I certainly agree that 1% isn't the best test to use but it is all I have had time for so far. When I have the time I will try a longer test. However, as I have said, I do think the 40x increase in battery drain is somewhat relevant. If the increase in battery drain was much less(say like 5x) then I think it would be a different conversation. I just think it is unlikely, even testing only 1%, that the huge increase in battery drain is coming from anything else other than the screen (at least the majority of it).

Something like signal strength shouldn't really matter if both tests are done in the same location. Regardless of what the signal strength is the battery drain from being on a cell network should be consistent with the screen on or off.

Plus, those battery tests from places like Phone Arena are done under conditions that aren't at all real world. They are good for comparing one phone to another but not so good for judging how long one phone will really last.
[Nexus 5X General] jgummeson:
Here's something - This morning under WiFi settings I changed the "Keep Wi-Fi on During Sleep" setting to "Only when plugged in". I also turned off my T-Mobile wifi calling (assuming this might force wifi to stay on to listen for calls). As of right now (6 hours later) the biggest battery consumption is the screen, with less than 20 minutes SOT. This is with wifi always on, just with the sleep setting changed. Need to let it run longer and on a full battery cycle to see the real impact. Could wifi be the culprit for battery usage on "Android System" and "Android OS"? Has anyone else tried changing the wifi sleep setting?
[Nexus 5X General] gerg004:
Trying right now. I'll report back. Google Launcher was causing massive wakelocks for me but have quieted down since reinstalling.

I'm still getting System and OS at the top, so I'm definitely willing to give this a shot.

Edit: literally after changing both if those settings Screen went to the top...I should have taken screenshots. System and OS are still at 11% and 12% respectively, but I imagine they'll continue dropping. Good looks, JGumm!
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
So these things are certainly informational, and thanks, but that an iPhone comes in at the bottom of the list is, um, surprising. I have an iPhone 6, and in the real world, it lasts longer than most of the ones you list, especially the OPT.

The issue is trying to get real-world comparisons. (Brilliant, no?). Out and about, talking, mapping, streaming, tweeting, turning on/off, etc. V. hard if not impossible, rt. now, on XDA, to do. EG, [MENTION=3112165]paul_one[/MENTION], manfully trying to get us to repeat a controlled SOT test, surfaces some interesting info, but IMO it's similar to the above - interesting but not practically useful in the real world.

Personally, I look for experienced XDAers to weigh in, who have a high ratio of "thanks" to posts, and/or who sound especially knowledgeable. It's a very imperfect methodology, sure.

I ignore folks who resort to the "depends on your usage, there are so many variables" meme. But because there are so many variables, I pay more attention to the folklore side, and distrust the "here are some actual tests" side.

So ON the folklore side, I received an October phone yesterday with 16G. I posted above that I seem to have the latest build from the G (MDB08I). Used ~12% from post-setup charge and minor usage to this AM. This AM, after charge, I'm not sparing it, but not using it all that much - some twitter, some tweaking, some downloading, a phone call. ~7AM to ~11AM. Looking not so bad. Channeling Obama re: Cuba, I'm cautiously optimistic.
[Nexus 5X General] jgummeson:
I also found on another thread one of the new firmware images (MDB08M) has new WLAN firmware binaries. Maybe there's a bug fix related to this? I'd be interested to hear if anyone has flashed the image with the update WLAN binary and if it improves battery usage (without having to shut off wifi when sleeping). Here's the link to the changelog: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/broadcom/wlan/+/25e0325
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
It seems all you've done is tested your phone's deep sleep capabilities, but it's not really a good test for that because who knows what the device was trying to do during those times. That hasn't isolated screen drain and doesn't tell us about the screen's drain compared to the rest of the device's drain. I appreciate your attempt but I think this is one we'll have to wait and let the experts tackle.

I wanted to try myself but there seems to be an issue monitoring power consumption with measurement tools on this device using CurrentWidget and Ampere, they update too slowly and inconsistently. If anyone knows anything about this please let me know.

We have plenty of user results here and they are all across the board as expected. We'll probably never know exactly which apps, signals, or settings are causing their issues but at a hardware level we can see the device does not have battery issues and does quite well in comparison to similar devices.

I think they're both useful when taken in context. For instance that test was done using an automated web browsing kit on WiFi where as the iphone 6's strengths may lie more in it's mobile radio capabilities, deep sleep, memory management, etc. Things that would greatly impact its real world battery usage but may not have as much of an impact on high load, screen on scenario. I'm sure the 1810 mAh battery would be the main limiting factor in a test like that and every other device there packs an extra 500mAh+.
[Nexus 5X General] :
It can take on a full day of normal usage for me.
[Nexus 5X General] gerg004:
Very short sample size but I'm already noticing a difference. I'm not waking the phone up after having not used it for ~30 min at work and noticing battery drop. I can actually see a FLAT line while the phone is idle where I normally had a gradual drop.

Stated earlier in this thread: I wasn't worried and my battery life was not horrendous. But I could tell something was up with System and OS constantly being my biggest battery user. And others were reporting flat battery lines overnight. Now I can see both.

The real test Will be tonight info tomorrow on a full charge. I'm confident though that the results will be good.
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Battery life seems REALLY bad today.

The only 3rd party apps I used were Facebook (1% of battery), Facebook Messenger (1% of battery) and 7-Eleven (1% of battery). Everything else is basic OS stuff with Android OS (3% of battery), Android System (3% of battery) and Google Play services (2% of battery) being the top 3 users of battery. WiFi most of the day. Cell network signal either light green or dark green all day. Seems to be awake more than it should but not constant. Time off the charger is 7 hours.

Battery is currently at 72% but it has been a busy work day so I haven't been on it much so my screen on time is only at 12 minutes and I haven't done anything else with the phone when the screen was off like listening to music.
[Nexus 5X General] Pilz:
Isn't posting your "experience" the whole point of this OP? It's not unhelpful to share how your particular phone is performing because it's good to see how other people's usage compares to yours and maybe they have better ways to manage the battery running a similar setup than x or y person.

Also bringing up religion is a bad idea but I'm atheist so I don't really care it's just not a good comparison to make.

I don't see a point going back and forth since clearly I don't own the phone anymore and therefore I can't "test" it to your "standards" (which is dumb to do anyway).
[Nexus 5X General] PhilipL:
Hi

Worth noting Wi-Fi calling can drain your device and this can be dependent on the access point it connects to, so two people can have different experiences. Wi-Fi calling is just VoIP, the problem is, unlike normal cell calls, it runs over a network outside of the control of the mobile phone company. To listen for calls and text messages, it has to knock a hole through your network and keep it hanging open, it's a bit of a hack to work through firewalls and network address translation. The trouble is, depending on the network setup, and how busy it is etc, the door your phone opens will get closed if no traffic passes through it. The quicker that connection is forced closed, the more work the phone has to do to keep it open so you don't miss a call or text. This could mean your phone is hardly sleeping as it keep needs to wake up and punch a whole through your network.

Yes Wi-Fi can drain your battery more, if all things are set up nicely with your Wi-Fi network it will use very little power, as 99% of the time the Wi-Fi on your phone is asleep, if your Wi-Fi point doesn't support things relating to power saving (or it does but it is turned off), then your Wi-Fi in your phone doesn't sleep and remains on. See this link http://www.techworld.com/mobile/a-guide-to-wi-fi-power-save-technologies-4103/ for all the sorts of things that Wi-FI points can have to save power.

Regards

Phil