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[Nexus 5X General] km8j:
I'm thinking we can do a better job of categorizing this and figuring out what is going on. I've been off the charger since 9am and am down to an abysmal 78% with only 29 minutes of SOT. I have ambient display on (I'm mostly indoors so this is a benefit), WiFi calling off and WiFi stays on during sleep. My power usage breakdown is below. The math adds up which is not surprising (mah used, percent and 2700mah). We also know from seeing some other screenshots that my SOT and others with crappy battery is in line with those with good battery. Meaning it is almost always 2mah/minute of screen on time or a tick more (2.1% - 2.3%) and you can see that confirmed in the post from [MENTION=4026717]95Z28[/MENTION]. Based on my usage, I'm trending at 2.5 hours of SOT which is inexcusably poor. I have virtually no wakelocks either. My signal is between yellow and green the entire day. Even if you took out cell standby assuming some yellow signal causing issue, that accounts for virtually nothing. So where is the difference? How are those of you battery gods getting so much more time out of the phone comparing to the information below? We know it isn't an issue with the power consumption of the screen. So what else is going on in here?

Android OS: 3% / 94mah

Voice Calls: 3% / 86mah

Android System: 3% / 85mah

Google Services: 2% / 64mah

Screen: 2% / 64mah

Cell Standby: 1% / 36mah

Phone Idle: 1% / 28mah

Google App: 1% / 22mah

WiFi: 1% / 17mah

Firefox: 1% / 17mah

Whatsapp: 1% / 16mah
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
A ways back, @joetheshmo noted he was getting good everyday battery with ElementalX kernel by [MENTION=4684315]flar2[/MENTION]. At that thread, a number of people are saying their battery is good. Semi-more important, one can set limits on the cpu frequencies with a custom kernel which has worked for me quite well in the past, although [MENTION=4684315]flar2[/MENTION] says his default settings are pretty good.

Also important for me is stuff like Android Pay, so I haven't rooted. However, at the Kernel (root needed) thread now,

So, ... Good!
[Nexus 5X General] km8j:
Sure but we shouldn't have to do that.... Aren't there a whole bunch of other impacts though to rooting now?
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Unless you are really actively doing something with the screen off(like listening to music) then the phone shouldn't be awake all that much even with all the great features turned on. Background syncing shouldn't be something that runs all the time and notifications should still come in in real time without keeping the phone awake a lot.

This battery issue that people face with smartphones these days could easily be resolved by making the phones with bigger batteries(as well as lowering resolution and using AMOLED screens) but for some strange reason that I still don't understand phone makers seem to be more obsessed with making the thinnest phone possible. Making a phone 7.9mm thick like the Nexus 5X provides no advantage over making it like 11mm thick. Phone makers also don't even seem to fit as big as batteries as possible with the thickness they do have.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
Agree, but. This is Android, my friend.

Impacts - well, yes. With systemless root (the second post at Chainfire's thread for regular root), in theory you can get OTA and (now) Android Pay, while being rooted. But there are a ton of caveats & warnings at, actually, both posts. So this is not for the faint-hearted, and, as you imply, reflects very poorly on the Goog.

Yet, I RMA'd my device, and when I get the new one I, myself, feel confident enough, after reading through the threads quite a bit, to use systemless root so that I can run the Elemental X kernel, so that I can get battery life along with Android Pay, etc.

Sheesh.
[Nexus 5X General] ttstreeter:
Battery Life

I seem to be seeing a lot more/faster battery drain on my 5X over the last few weeks. I don't know if that coincides with an update to play services or not ( I seem to remember seeing one). I am down to 75% after having only used the phone for about 20-30mins this morning on the train to look at a few websites using adblock browser and the BBC news app. Other than that it has sat on my desk at work and has only been picked up a handful of times to check how much it has dropped. It has dropped by at least 10 percent in the last 6 hours with barely any usage at all other than picking it up every few hours to check the time/battery and reading a few (2) emails. It just seems to be draining way more than what it should when not in use and what I was seeing before. This has been going on for the last 2 weeks or so. I even factory reset the phone to rule out some weird bug and it has made no difference. When I check the battery statistics it shows Android OS, Google services, Android system and mobile standby all at the top of the list. The very top is screen but I have had days, in fact more often that not, where Google services ( today it shows 1h 25mins running wifi and mobile radio for 35 mins) and mobile standby have been at the top. Has anyone else noticed a change in the last few weeks?
[Nexus 5X General] EeZeEpEe:
Well the phones only been out for about 2 weeks. So what you're saying is its been draining more compared to the first couple days of use?
[Nexus 5X General] Link_proxXP:
I'm on the same situation of many here. Battery is draining to fast, I'm starting to think there are some units with hardware problems.
[Nexus 5X General] ttstreeter:
Battery

Yes, perhaps my timing is slightly off, compared to the first week (or there about) it seems to have got worse. I would expect the opposite. After a few charge cycles the battery usually improves.
[Nexus 5X General] JoshHankins:
I too have noticed a drastic change in my phone's battery life after a recent update - doze no longer works as effectively as it did over my first week or so of use where I would go to sleep and wake with pretty much the same battery percentage.

Now leaving my phone in standby mode and coming back in an hour, battery drain is around 5% which really doesn't seem normal.

I also use to consistently get around 3 hours of screen on time per charge - now I am barely getting half that at around 1 hour 25 mins being the most recent.

Hopefully this may just be a faulty update - will have to wait and see!

---------- Post added at 11:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:12 PM ----------

HELP - GPS CONSTANTLY ON

For some reason ever since a recent update my battery chart is showing GPS as constantly being on thus resulting in extremely poor battery life despite the screen hardly ever being on - can any one help me disable GPS or determine which app is using it?
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
The 810 uses more power than the 808. The A57 cores used in the 808 and 810 are quite power hungry and the 810 has twice as many. It also has a better and more power hungry GPU. Check out the HTC M9 which has a 1080p screen and a 2840mAh battery as an example.

If Snapdragon 808 or 810 is not being pushed heavily than both performance and battery life will be similar to the Snapdragon 410 (4x A53). Browsing typically does not push an SoC as it's only really needed to load new web pages for a couple second, and small clock boosts to keep the scrolling smooth. Browsers themselves can be power hungry as they are versatile applications which use lots of RAM. Other forms of browsing (forums with Tapatalk, Reddit apps, etc.) can be much more efficient.

What I mean to say is bigger batteries won't help those who are draining their batteries abnormally. If a battery drains in around 10 hours with 2 hours SoT, even adding 50% to that still isn't going to be considered good. It will just go from bad to slightly less bad, while also being a much thicker device.

In these cases what needs to be addressed is the underlying cause of the battery drain. Think of it as adding more water to a bucket with large holes in it. We need to patch up as many holes as possible first.

Otherwise if battery life is already decent then increasing the pool size is a welcome addition, but not necessary considering the goal is to get through one work day without charging.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
Good stuff! Thanks!

---edit---

Am not sure I'd totally agree about the absolute need for a bigger battery. While at some level bigger is better, I think it's the architecture of the device mostly. I'm not a digital engineer, but maybe a Snapdragon 810 is in fact not such a great processor for a mobile phone (!), or, the screen is bust. EG, the Moto G 2015 gets very good overall battery life with a Snapdragon 410. Sure, it's slower and has a fairly blah display. Still, I'd have kept mine except for the camera which seems weird. However, I found that post-editing the Moto G's photos can yield v. good results. I digress...

Ie, maybe the fact is that, even with doze and the fingerprint feature, etc, the Goog sort-of blew it with the design of the N5X.
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
I highly doubt the Moto G 2015 would have made it thought the entire day in the situation I described.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
The 25 bands thing? What would?
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Yes, the 25 band concert festival I mentioned. No phone would and that is my point.

It would be one thing if the technology didn't exist but that isn't the case. The technology to allow that in a reasonable sized phone does exist it's just that phone makers are obsessed with selling a thinner phone than anyone else even though it offers no real benefit. I don't care about the Nexus 5X being 7.9mm thick. Make it 10mm thick and give it a MASSIVE battery.
[Nexus 5X General] RedMaio:
Do anyone know what is this process "99027"?

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Inviato dal mio Nexus 5X utilizzando Tapatalk
[Nexus 5X General] teknoali:
thanks for info
[Nexus 5X General] achuxtreme:
Anybody notice improvements in battery life later on? Mine last throughout the day with heavy usage..

YouTube, video, camera, Netflix, screen on frequently
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
If your standby time is good and your battery drains quickly with usage, that could mean the apps you're using are draining abnormally. "Holes in your bucket" can represent many things not just idle drain with the screen off. I hear Facebook app is quite the hog but I don't use it so I can't say for sure. Other apps like Snapchat are known to be buggy and drain battery, and there's probably many more lesser known ones seeing as we're using Android 6.0.

When your screen is on, apps you have installed basically say "great, we can use all the SoC we want now since we're not in deep sleep!" and then even if you're doing light browsing you might actually have many holes popping up from these background process requests. These can add up to longer periods of A57 core usage where as normally during browsing they'd be most idle.

Perhaps we should start a battery help thread for those who are seeing abnormal drains. Root access + wakelock detecting apps should be able to pin point any OS level drains that aren't obvious from the basic battery screenshots.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
Um, well, this is a battery help thread.

Detecting wakelocks can't hurt/might help of course. However there have been so many reports of very noticeable battery drain from casual use that IMO it's doubtful that a campaign of wakelock detection is very useful. IMO.

NB - Over in the ElementalX thread a fair number of folks are reporting moderate to substantial battery improvement with said kernel. And, it's been shown that using the systemless root with the kernel allows Android Pay, etc, to continue to work (for now).
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
If your stand by time is good and your battery drains quickly with usage it COULD mean that your apps are draining abnormally or it could mean that using your phone, even with everything behaving as it should, just takes power to run and 2,700mAh just isn't that much. If everything is behaving correctly then a bigger battery would make battery life much better. If there are some "holes in the bucket" then a bigger battery could make those holes less noticeable during a days usage. And what do you do if you discover that some app is misbehaving? Get rid of it? What if it is caused by some OS feature? Turn that feature off? What is the point of having these powerful smartphones if you can't use them for what they can do?

It just seems to me like you are against phone makers including bigger batteries. As of today I have had my Nexus 5X for exactly 3 weeks and it seems to me that there are no major battery drains. It just takes power to use it. It takes power to transfer data over wifi and even more over LTE, it takes power to back light the screen, it takes power to render 124,416,000 pixels a second, the CPU takes power, the camera takes power, the RAM takes power, etc. It all adds up even when behaving correctly. It's pretty clear that if the Nexus 5X had a 3,200-3,500mAh battery the battery life would be MUCH better. Draining 1% of battery for ~2.5 minutes of browsing doesn't even surprise me even without any "holes in the bucket"(which we can't really control ever if there were). 1% is only 27mAh which is nothing.

The only thing that is really going to fix this issue is bigger batteries. Hopefully phone makers will figure out soon that customers care more about great battery life than super thin phones but I'm not optimistic about it.

As far as rooting to figure out what is going on with wake locks that is something we shouldn't have to do and even if we did there is little we can do about it other than just stop using the device which kind of makes it a waste of (a LOT of) money. Plus, as someone who values their warranty and insurance rooting just isn't an option. I didn't spend $530(including Nexus Protect and tax) to possibly turn my phone in to an expensive paper weight or to have my warranty/insurance claim denied if I need it because I "manipulated" the software/firmware on the phone.
[Nexus 5X General] JoshHankins:
Why is the Google App draining so much of my battery?

For some reason, the google app is draining the majority of my battery life, using around 800mAh of my total battery capacity with GPS services running for 12 hours!!!!

Everything was running smoothly with the battery life of my new phone, averaging around 3-4 hours of screen on time. Now i am barely getting 2 hours due to such a high drain from the Google App - see images below.

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Could this be as a result of the recent software update that may have changed certain settings without my knowing?

Any ideas as to what the cause of this is would be much appreciated!
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Hey we're getting somewhere! :)

I thought I would share Anandtech's thoughts on the 5x battery here for any who may still be convinced that their own personal battery issues are indicative of the larger group.

Anyways there's just about 2 or 3 people in this thread that are repeating their same battery issues over and over and have attempted nothing to resolve their issue. Look at any Reddit thread about battery you will see the majority of results are 3-4 hours SoT. I'm done trying to convince anyone that the sky is blue when they're only interested in confirming their own bias.

This thread is for sharing results. What battery help is being provided exactly? If this is a battery help thread then the motto must be "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!" because no one has suggested or attempted anything. Nothing more is happening here besides sharing results. The helpfulness of seeing others results is minimal at best when most aren't even including basic information such as screen brightness or settings used.

"So many reports" except that every review disagrees, and I can find 10x as many showing great results in every Reddit post related to battery life. More like confirmation bias from a select few who are having battery issues IMO.
[Nexus 5X General] ibilln:
You're done? :).

Reddit - the arbiter of the true way. Gimme break.

Ah. The Select Few again.

So this, the 2nd most widely replied to and viewed thread in the N5X forum (from what I can tell), is driven by a Select, lazy Few with obviously self-inflicted usage issues. People are driven to view and comment by some mysterious, dark charisma of the evil Select Few . Boggles the mind.

Actually, sorta cool. I think I'll do a Select Few T-Shirt.
[Nexus 5X General] F'n Amazing:
Ever since I got the OTA update the other day battery life has improved significantly (however camera is totally borked now), seems the mobile active radio bug has been addressed somewhat. It usually showed up as keeping my phone awake close to 2 hours or more, last couple days under 30 minutes, so still present just not as bad.
[Nexus 5X General] C3C076:
Sharing my experience.

All stock. 4G, WiFi always on, location reporting, high accuracy, Google now. Mostly Chrome, Tapatalk, Facebook, some YouTube and music.

Adaptive brightness outside, manual at home.
[Nexus 5X General] mcheda:
I'm not a heavy phone user but my old Moto X would only get half a day with my regular use. I carry extra cables everywhere. My new 5X is completely stock and I got two full days:
[Nexus 5X General] achuxtreme:
I get one and half day, for normal everyday usage...
[Nexus 5X General] km8j:
This is close to my usage. Terrible SOT
[Nexus 5X General] blassster:
According to my battery stats, Doggcatcher is destroying the battery in comparison to everything else. With only 2 hours of keep awake time, Doggcatcher is at the top of the list for battery usage, and apparently eats 25%. This is a daily thing.

The Nexus 5 had a dsp for audio tunneling to offload from the SoC, does the 5X lack this or is it not being used properly? Seems abnormal compared to before, and not getting a lot of SOT because of this.
[Nexus 5X General] mgerbasio:
I'm in and out of cell service during the day and find I get about 8 hours with light usage. Haven't done much to see what is eating the battery but that's my only disappointment with the phone. Sitting on my desk, it using about 2%/hour which seems high, in an area where I do have good cell service. I have about five email accounts but not much else installed on the phone.

I also have a Lumia 640 and the battery life on that phone is terrific, far better than any other phone I've used.
[Nexus 5X General] lnxcat:
I have the same problem, with u.

"Android system" and "Android OS" taking more battery than my previous Android phone.
[Nexus 5X General] thesoldier:
I was having the same problem 3 hours SoT over a day max, something was waking my phone up a ton and I couldn't see what without root. Didn't want to because of Android Pay, but I went with systemless root and Pay works fine. Anyways, I flashed ElementalX and so far those wakelocks appear to be gone. I would definitely recommend a custom kernel.
[Nexus 5X General] daver68:
This is a good question, one that I'll echo, because I am about to buy a 5X and have the same question. I thought all Snapdragon SoCs had some sort of DSP for offloading audio processing?

Could you test playing music for 2 hours through Google Play Music and see if it also keeps the device awake? Maybe Doggcatcher's EQ is causing the keep awake?
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
By the looks of the WiFi usage of Doggcatcher it is streaming the audio from the internet. DSP tunneling works for locally stored files such as mp3s, otherwise the internet connection is what is remaining active along with the SoC. Even when it's working properly the phone will show as "awake" in the battery graph, it will just use very little CPU time.

I'll help you make those T-Shirts [MENTION=4444576]ibilln[/MENTION] we can use a picture I edited from this survey that was done on Reddit.

This was on of my lower SoT results. 50% manual brightness. Locations and bluetooth were off during this time while all other settings remained enabled.
[Nexus 5X General] blassster:
Not streaming from the net, it's local files. That's just from downloading episodes. Going to compare how much Play Music uses for 2 hours of local playback tomorrow. This all just seems to be more use than from my N5.
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
I've only been using Spotify so I haven't been able to test, but DSP tunneling seemed to work great on my N5 using locally stored files with Play Music. It's possible doggcatcher isn't taking advantage of that feature or is keeping the internet connection active for whatever reason. It will be interesting to see your results.
[Nexus 5X General] Link_proxXP:
Hi guys! I was reporting a bad battery life earlier this week. That hasn't change in this past days, but I'm seeing a big issue here. I enable the battery porcentage to better follow the stats, and I notice that the battery it's going down 2% each time. I mean, I'm using it with 64% and goes directly to 62%.

Does anybody has this same problem? I'm already contacting Google to get a replacement unit.
[Nexus 5X General] lnxcat:
Seems worth to try flashing elemntalx kernal, did ur battry life get longger? After wakelocks appear to be gone.
[Nexus 5X General] thesoldier:
Charged the battery full after flashing, and I got almost 30 hours with 4+ SoT, those wakelocks were gone. Not sure what they were caused by but it seems much better.
[Nexus 5X General] dmudd:
Still running completely stock and had by far my best day with SOT. To my surprise, it looks like I somehow get better battery life with WiFi off.

Connected to WiFi, I'm normally around 2 hours of SOT at 50% battery life. With mostly LTE at my house with good signal, I was at 2 hours and 48 minutes of SOT. I was on track to do more than 5 hours of SOT. However, I had to work today and my reception is pretty poor there, so that kept me from breaking that boundary.
[Nexus 5X General] Nidstang:
With due respect, you are misreading the graph.

The bars all represent separate counts -- so out of the couple hundred folks who participated, the majority are getting 3.0-3.5 hours or more. The underlying data is available in a spreadsheet on on the reddit 5X subforum if you want to double check my reading.

In the same way that the good battery life of others doesn't disprove your poor battery life, your poor battery life doesn't disprove the good battery life of others (many of whom actually do use their phones robustly).