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[Nexus 6P General] resonantentropy:
If you actually think the design language of the original Nexus 6 is more attractive than the 6P, well... I question your eyes. The N6 is a relatively bland, ugly, plastic-y phone. And yes, it's the phone I currently have.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
Well, it's all personal preference. But I don't see how anyone could PREFER long bezels on the top and bottom of the phone when there is no button there.

I'd MUCH rather take a .2mm thicker phone (thicker everywhere, not wobbly) and have very minimal bezels all around, especially top and bottom. The fascination with thin phones makes them taller, or wider depending on which bezel is being eliminated. The ONLY way to reduce bezels is to make the overall phone thicker, even if that is by just a couple of milometers.
[Nexus 6P General] resonantentropy:
That's you. Everyone has a opinion. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Everything in engineering and design is about compromise. Maybe there's a reason it's not thicker and shorter. We don't really know, and this thread is all a pile of speculation and conjecture. Honestly, most who have reviewed the phone says it's beautiful, and from phones and videos I've seen, I would agree. In my opinion, I think the milled aluminum of the N6P makes it SO much better looking than the cheap, plastic N6 that I'll deal with larger top and bottom bezels. The N6 is a cheap looking phone and from most accounts isn't even in the same class as the N6P. I've yet to see one review where the reviewer thinks the N6 is a better phone.

But again, it's all an opinion.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
The front of both phones is all glass, so the aluminum or plastic can't even be seen. All you see is the LACK of top/bottom bezels on the N6. What most people will agree on is that if you make the overall thickness a bit wider, you can get a bigger battery and cut down the bezels; that's a fact.

The problem is that no major manufacturer is going to go back 2 years in terms of overall thickness. Thin is in apparently.

When the Nexus 6 came out it was praised regarding the size of the screen but how small the overall footprint actually was.

The only thing me and you agree on is that the plastic in phones needs to go, at least the external parts.
[Nexus 6P General] stevew84:
When I said that manufacturers won't be going back two years, I meant that if say Samsung puts out a phone that is 1mm thinner than the last year's mode; there is a high likelihood that they will not regain this 1mm in the following year. Comparing two different manufacturer's build types was not the argument.

Also, regarding the Nexus 6 and it's ability to cram a 6" screen into the same size footprint as other 5.5"-5.7" phones, there sure was a praise going on; mainly when reviewers were doing comparisons to other devices.

When you said something about the phone protruding from your pocket due to thickness; what about protruding due to height? Not all jeans/pants have pockets deep enough to accommodate a phone that is 6"-7" long. After a while, how thin are these things supposed to get? With the screen technology getting better and better, batteries need to find a way to push out more power but in a smaller footprint.

MKBHD is one of the reviewers who constantly brings up height over thickness, as the trade off is MUCH greater when going one way over the other.
[Nexus 6P General] joshuadjohnson22:
A curved back is so much better in the hand IMO. I'd take the moto x pure bezels over the nexus 6P. Personal preference.
[Nexus 6P General] riz157:
Currently using iPhone 6s Plus which is very thin but big top and bottom bezels. I must admit I do prefer thinner phones with bigger bezels top and bottom then Thicker phones and thinner all round bezels.

I do like it it feels better in the hand so looking forward to comparing both phones side by side.
[Nexus 6P General] shadowcore:
I used to own a sony z ultra. Now i just bought a nexus 6. Now that the nexus 6p is out,i can only say that huge bezels are detrimental to users experience. Also,the huge upper and lower bezels seen on iphones for example and that we can see on the nexus 6p are just ugly.

Also,curved vs flat back. I prefer curved backs. Its wbout ergonomics.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Having "huge" (lets be real.... they arent that big as someone showed the screen percentages among other phones) top and bottom bezels is FAR better than having bigger side bezels. When the bezels are top and bottom you can easily adjust your hand position to hold the phone comfortably.

As for the argument of thin vs. bezels its not as simple as saying "If Huawei had added 1mm of thickness they could have reduced the bezels by x%". Because this is a metal phone the only thing making it thicker would likely be good for is an even bigger battery.

The reason thin phones are a thing is because most people use a case which obviously adds thickness. For example ever see someone with a Nexus 6 with a case on it? Its hilarious how massive that thing looks not only when someone is holding it but when someone has it in their pocket too.

If we were talking about a plastic phone then sure.... we could probably sacrifice some of the thinness for smaller bezels since components can pretty much go anywhere in the phone but then you lose that premium build
[Nexus 6P General] fchowd0696:
I bet all the reviews that state that it has low max brightness don't know how to turn off adaptive brightness.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
So far one review specifically mentioned they turned off adaptive and got a measurement of 356 nits I think it was. Another review that didnt mention adaptive got a max of 337 I think it was.

However numerous reviewers all say that its very close to the Note 5 brightness so it shouldnt be too big of an issue (There is one by David Lee where he has the Note 5 and 6P side by side)
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Yes, I'd rather have larger top and bottom bezels than side bezels also. The width of the phone is more important to me. I mean, seriously, as I said, the people who really hate tall phones are getting the regular iPhone 6 or Nexus 5X, they could care less about the small differences in height between the 6P, 6+, Note 5, etc.

That aside, do people know the Phone Arena size comparison tool? http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...8626#/phones/size/Google-Nexus-6P/phones/9587 Play around with that, you'll see that the bezels, for what it's worth, on the 6P at the top and bottom are smaller than on the iPhone 6+. Also, keep in mind that the reason the bezels on the Nexus 6 at top and bottom are so much smaller is not because of some genius greater design prowess on the Motorola's part. It's because the Nexus 6 is already a huge phone, just as tall as the 6P and wider, so it has the room they needed for the battery and electronics, and they didn't need more height. Huawei probably could have put a taller screen in the 6P (though it would have been an oddball aspect ratio), made the bezels at top and bottom smaller, but the phone will would have been just as tall. Would people then be praising what a great job Huawei did on the bezels, even though the phone is the exact same height and overall dimensions? Because what matters in the end for internal electronics and the battery is the overall size and volume of the phone, not the ratio between screen area and the front facia area. This is why the focus on bezels to some extent just kind of misses the point.

I don't know if I agree about the case argument. I think I see as many people without cases (or who use sleeves that they take the phone out of). I think people (myself included) like how the thin phones feel to hold. In a phone as large as the 6P, I definitely prefer it over a thicker curved back. On a 5.2" screen type of phone, I can get into the curved back, but its value diminishes, for me, as the phone gets even bigger. That said, I totally understand that many people really like the curved back and that just proves the point, which is that different people have different preferences and there is not one obvious best way to design phones. But I don't really agree that the phones are designed to be thin, so that people can put cases on them.

As far as plastic phones go, I agree, they allow more design options. Not only can plastic be thinner and more durable than metal, as I say above, but also they allow for designs that get the screen closer to the edge of the phone--which is why the Note 5 has thinner side bezels than the 6P. Again this is not a sign that Samsung has better engineers, it's just that aluminum unibodys don't allow for such small side screen bezels, so it's another trade off for that premium aluminum design--and it's why Samsung has avoided it in order to make phones that are overall more compact than anyone else.
[Nexus 6P General] fchowd0696:
Do you know which review?
[Nexus 6P General] luciferiusXI:
Design fails for me. Side bezels too thick and top/bottom bezels too big. I don't care why they had to go that route, I just know that it is step back in design.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Another big one about plastic vs. metal is that the antennas cant go behind the metal. So in the 6P for example theoretically you could make it slightly thicker and move the "visor" parts to a different area of the phone but because there are antennas you cant. If the phone was plastic you can pretty much slap components anywhere (yes I know its not THAT simple :p).

---------- Post added at 04:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:23 PM ----------

With the side by side with the Note 5?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4GqChBz4Q

That should be the one (Start at around the 2 minute mark when hes talking about the screens)
[Nexus 6P General] ylexot:
I will say one thing: over the past several years, I've seen many negative comments about huge bezels. I can't remember a single comment about a phone being too thick.
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
Hard to complain about thickness when things have only gotten thinner each year. I'm positive if someone went backwards on it, we'd hear about it.
[Nexus 6P General] ylexot:
I doubt it.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Back when Android vs. iPhone was a bigger deal that was something that was always thrown in androids face was how thin the iPhones were
[Nexus 6P General] ylexot:
Yeah, because they were 0.01mm thinner. That was fanboy-ism.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
I dont like slim bezel with big phone. My palm always touch the screen when I tried to hold it with one hand. The bezel of the 6P look perfect to me (everything on the phone look perfect to me, thickness, battery size, bezel, the bumb behind[no wobble], the camera, display, dual speaker, etc...)
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Yes, but people endlessly sing the praises of phones being as thin as they are. When the iPhone 6 came out reviewers and users were fallling over themselves about how great it is that they are so thin. Many a Galaxy S phone has been highly praised for its thinness, when they were leading the thin movement. One of the first things people are saying in almost all of the reviews of the 6P is how amazingly wonderfully thin it is.

Praising thinness is kind of the counterpart of complaining about thickness. When you have a general trend toward thinner and thinner phones, no one is going to complain about thickness. But saying one loves the new thin phones makes it clear that one is happy they are not as thick as the previous generation phones. So I think the way you stated it isn't really thinking about it the right way. Praising thinness implicitly (and really pretty obviously) puts a negative value on thickness.

Also, so be fair, when the Nexus 6 came out there was in fact quite a bit of discussion of how thick it was, compared to current flagship phones at the time. A lot of people worried about this. Inevitably, this was followed up with the assertion that the curved back mitigated the thickness. But the general impression was that the Nexus 6 was just a giant phone in every possible way (which some people were fine with and others hated). So it's not even quite true that there are no recent examples of complaining about thickness.
[Nexus 6P General] chevycam94:
<RANT>

To be honest, I could care less how thick or thin my bezels are, or how thick the phone is. Why does it matter? What do you want? ???......a phone that's literally paper thin, NO bezels, and a 20,000mAh battery? Maybe the only real complaint would be front or back speakers, which I can see a valid argument for, but who gives a damn how big the bezel is. When your looking at something on the screen, say, reading an email, you don't sit there thinking "ok, so thenew email from my boss says. ...wait... gee, that's a huge 3mm bezel on my phone. That's stupid. Why would anyone want that? It just makes my screen seem SO small. Wait, hold up, didn't I have an important email to read?!". Use your phone for its intended purpose! After all, that's the whole reason you bought it to begin with! If your SO intent on nitpicking the SMALLEST of your personal issues that have NO purpose other than to be something to complain about, go back to using a landline.

</RANT>

I needed to vent. Lol. Just sick and tired of people losing their minds over crap that doesn't matter.
[Nexus 6P General] dazed1:
What are you talking about son? why do we care? maybe because i need to carry that PHONE with me when i'm out? in my pocket you know? maybe its a pain in the ass to carry it because its un-necessary huge!? you think we are some lame apple-like fashion n00bs who care about things being stylish? i could care less, all i care is bulk/portability!
[Nexus 6P General] JasonJoel:
I decided not to buy the 6p because it is too tall. Same reason I didn't like the nexus 6.

My note 5 barely fits in the place I put it in my car, and the 6p simply won't fit. And taller is worse for putting it in pockets.

Anyway good luck to you guys. I'm going to quit reading / following this forum now.
[Nexus 6P General] dokukinoko:
The Moto X Pure has stereo speakers and an extremely minimal bezel size.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
yeah, 72.19% compare to 76.29%. Difference of 4.10%, not that much.
[Nexus 6P General] jdub251:
I'll take the bigger battery in the 6p over 4% lol
[Nexus 6P General] mosincredible:
Yep. 6P has a bigger battery but is thinner, is aluminum and weighs a gram less. Sounds like a more impressive engineering effort to me.
[Nexus 6P General] kboya:
I know the sizes and having now held one I am rather surprised by how much smaller than expected it feels. Daily use and general pocket fitting may be another experience, but I am pretty happy with it.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Um, did you actually read the OP before posting? The entire point of this thread was to respond to reviews that were complaining about the top and bottom bezel size on the 6P, but did not seem to understand it was a design trade off for making the phone as thin as it is. So this thread is not about complaining about the bezel size (though several people have done that here). It was just an attempt to explain the design contraints in contemporary phones and how they have to choose between larger top and bottom bezels, thickness, and alumnium or plastic, in order to achieve different dimensions.

So the point of the OP (as the myself the person who wrote it) is exactly to respond to complaints about the bezels, try to provide some context, and get people to calm down about it. Not to complain about them. So I really don't understand who you're addressing or why your rant seemed like it made sense in this thread. It seems many people read the subject heading of the thread, do not read the OP, make a bunch of assumptions about what the thread is about, and then rant.

Yes, and as has already been discussed at length in many posts in this thread, the Moto X Pure accomplishes that by being a significantly thicker phone, with a curved back (and to a lesser extent by using more plastic and less aluminum in its design). Some people prefer the thicker phone and curved back, others prefer a thinner phone and are fine with somewhat larger top and bottom bezels. (The difference is about 1.7 mm. See: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...ola-Moto-X-Pure-Edition-2015/phones/9587,9694.) They are just design trade offs and personal preferences.

What the Moto X Pure has not done is accomplish some sort of design achievement that exceeds thes skill of Huawei's engineers. It has just made a different set of comporimises.
[Nexus 6P General] chevycam94:
It seems people didn't catch who I was addressing with my post. I'm addressing those who complain about bezel sizes, thickness, speaker location, and/or other design styles. I did read the OP, just so your aware.

People need to worry about bigger things, like camera quality, or pixel ghosting on the screen. If your sole reason to not buy a phone is because of its bezel size, you need to rethink why your buying a phone in the first place. Just saying.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
It's hard to imagine it is ever compelling to anyone to tell them not to care about what they care about.

Some people may find the endless debates about the differences in camera quality between flagships trivial. I doubt many people even have an idea of what pixel ghosting is or have ever noticed it. Most people in the world would probably find the level of focus on smartphones in this forum altogether pointless hair splitting for people way too geeky for their own good. Everyone has their preferences and things they value.

If this seems like a pointless question to you, why not just ignore the thread, instead of leaping in to criticize people for having an opinion about something? Let people have the conversations they want. There are many threads in this forum I could not care less about. I just ignore them, rather than telling people they are ridiculous for talking about what they want to talk about.
[Nexus 6P General] fchowd0696:
From personal experience with the Note 5, I can attest that slim bezels SUCK with larger display devices. I am without a car dock currently. So I pick up my device(I know... dangerous) to check the navigation. I almost ALWAYS accidentally either touch the capacitive buttons or the screen and either exit out of the navigation or touch the map which off centers the navigation. It's pretty darn frustrating. I'm glad the 6p has somewhere to actually grasp on to the device. Anyone who is advocating for slim bezels at least on the top and bottom are doing it out of sheer aesthetics rather than actual practical use.

I'm no Apple fanboy. I've never owned an iPhone, but one thing they are great at is ergonomics. There is a reason why Apple doesn't go on the small bezel hype train like many Android OEMs especially with the 6 plus. It's actually LESS ergonomic to have thin bezels on the top and bottom. The one thing I wish Google did however was have a one handed mode. I have no idea why they wouldn't.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
That's interesting. You are the first person I've seen defend large top and bottom bezels. I haven't had this problem, since I guess I don't pick up my phone that way (no elliptical reference to Steve Jobs intended). But I can see what you're talking about. There really are a lot of different ways to look at this. What's problematic for one person, it useful to another.

I do doubt that the reason for the large top and bottom bezels on iPhones or on the 6P is for ergonomics, though it may have that as a side benefit in certain specific use scenarios. As I say in the OP, I'm pretty sure this is simply the consequence of designing phones so thin (and Apple has always been at the forefront of the thin drive, in smartphone design). Once a phone is as thin as the iPhone 6 or the 6P, the only way to still have enough room for the electronics and battery is to make the phone taller.

So I suspect the ergonomic benefit you find in larger top and bottom bezels is coincidental to the decision to make a thin phone, not the intention.
[Nexus 6P General] luciferiusXI:
Ever thought of adding a case like 99% of the people do and eliminating your problem with thin bezels? Also your theory about why Apple doesn't do that is pure speculation.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Another factor with the iPhones is the home button design, which Apple has always kept the same. It simply requires a much large bezel at the bottom.
[Nexus 6P General] fchowd0696:
Case adds width and thickness to an already large device. Width and thickness affect one handed use. My hands are normal sized. And what is the point of 'premium' build if a case is slapped on it? Samsung Note 5 hardware design team should have thought of this problem without the solution being "slap a case on it".
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
I was going to mention the benefit to large bezels as well... it was something I noticed with a friends phone that the bezels were so small that it made not touching the screen very difficult when maneuvering it. I'm going to trust the plethora of reviewers who all praise the device's aesthetics
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
I'm perfectly happy with the bezels the way they are. I mean it's one of the best phones out right now for screen to phone dimensions ratio. Not sure how a phone can be one of the highest percentage of screen area to phone size and get flack for bezels. In total this phone has some of the smallest, relatively speaking.
[Nexus 6P General] warplane95:
I dont like the LG G4, way to thick.

Compare the 6p to the new LG flagship.

6P:

159.3x77.8x7.3mm (178g), 5.7"

V10:

159.6x79.3x8.6mm (192g), 5.7"

G4:

148.9 x 76.1 x 9.8mm (155g), 5.5"

suppose you have a 5.7" screen on the G4, add +4.57, +2.29mm = 153.5x78.4,9.8mm

Yes, the G4 is shorter, but you dont have stereo speaker.
[Nexus 6P General] hikarugo:
I dont really care about top and bottom bezels, but side bezels matter for me. Thickness too. So, I really like 6P's design.

Thick side bezels remind me of the first generation Galaxy Note which is as wide as Nexus 6 despite having only 5.3" screen.
[Nexus 6P General] cb474:
Yeah, I agree, I'm going to notice an extra mm or two in the width of the phone (and how it feels to hold) much more readily than in the height of the phone.
[Nexus 6P General] geoff5093:
I'll say there is a point where the side bezels can be too thin. I have a Note5 and the bezels are extremely thin, and I find whenever I hold my phone in landscape like when I'm watching a movie, it always activates the touch screen
[Nexus 6P General] LuckyDragan:
It's funny reading how some review sites list the N6P as being "too tall" as a negative, yet it's barely 1 mm taller than the iPhone 6S+, despite having both a larger screen and front-facing speakers. It's all a matter of perspective (and bias), it seems.
[Nexus 6P General] geoff5093:
I think most people compare it to other Android's, where the Note5 is much shorter with the same size screen, and even the larger display Nexus 6 is roughly the same size.
[Nexus 6P General] gd6noob:
If you guys dont like thick bezels, go get the Sharp Aqous

Only the bottom chin is thick... and if you still complain, just dont use any phone, voila.. no more bezels!!
[Nexus 6P General] geoff5093:
Except for the bottom chin that's as large as most flagship phones top and bottom chin combined.

Exactly, you can really see that the 6P is a good half inch taller with the same size screen.
[Nexus 6P General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Yeah, and the 6P has stereo speakers which blow away the sound coming from the Note. Pick your poison. I'm loving the 6P much more than my Note and it sounds much better.
[Nexus 6P General] Solutions Etcetera:
I actually kinda like the top and bottom bezels; gives you a bit more to hold on to when taking (and watching) video without touching the screen.
[Nexus 6P General] trace1er:
^^^ This. On my Galaxy S6, I am always accidentally pressing the back or task switcher button when holding the phone in landscape mode while watching videos or playing games. Very annoying.
[Nexus 6P General] PieOfJustice:
For me as well. Plus the 6P speakers blow the Note out of the water. I found the Note harder to hold due to its smaller bezels and touch capacitive Nav buttons. I like the 6p design.