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[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Maybe we are looking at a different graph? Or maybe you are looking at a more recent or less recent version of the graph? I'm looking at the one that was posted by bblzd (from a Reddit post I guess) the tallest bar on the graph(representing about 125 people) is labeled "2-3 hours". The second tallest bar on the graph(representing about 100 people) is labeled "3-3.5 hours".
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Unfortunately some would rather ignore information that doesn't suit their own needs. Confirmation bias can be very powerful. I'm not even sure why they come to XDA if they're not interested in helping themselves or listening to reason.

We can find the same types in every device forum. For example in the Nexus 6p battery thread many are reporting 4-5 hours SoT and a couple people wondering why they can't get more than 2 hours SoT. Of course 9 times out of 10 it's just poor signal or one of the apps they installed but since they refuse to attempt the simplest troubleshooting steps ("it should just work") they will just sit there and complain day after day until they finally buy an iphone and never have to deal with "confusing" screen on statistics again.

Another result with 50% manual brightness and most settings enabled.
[Nexus 5X General] Darkknight512:
I usually get 3.5 hours SOT, lots of data usage. I decided to watch a locally stored movie on my phone for the first time. Probably going to get over 11 hours of video playback.

Started at 96% finished at 75%, movie was 2 hours 45 minutes long. H.264, 1280*720, 1.03 GB file. Playback was done in MX Player with HW decode on for all.

WiFi was on but not used really the whole time.
[Nexus 5X General] Nidstang:
I am looking at the graph in Post #479 of this thread, which you said shows that "most people are actually getting 2-3 hours SOT."

Each bar on that graph is a separate group of people. What the graph shows is that ~150 people are getting 3.0 hours or less (the sum of the first two bars) and ~240 people are getting 3.0 hours or more (the sum of the last 5 bars). So, most people are not getting 2-3 hours SOT, and most people are not getting less than 3 -- most people are getting more than 3.0.

The more interesting thing, IMO, that the graph shows is the variability in battery life. This presumably has to do with signal strength, app selection, choice of carrier, and a million other factors. Again, just because one person has crappy battery life, or another person has extraordinary battery life, doesn't really say anything about the phone. You have to look at either a broad selection of user experience or a standardized benchmark.

Otherwise, I can only say that my battery life is good, which doesn't impact you; and you can only say that your battery life is terrible, which doesn't impact me.

Confirmation bias is certainly a factor, but I think it is also the case that people just get emotionally invested in their phones. I mean, when someone's phone doesn't work to expectation they get upset in a way that they wouldn't if their refrigerator wasn't keeping the milk cold enough. (That applies to me too, BTW. Why else would I be posting on the internet about the 5X's battery life!)
[Nexus 5X General] coldflid:
Damn. This actually means the battery usage can be stretched much further if google optimises the 5x with the next updates so its great news IMO (I might be completely wrong however).
[Nexus 5X General] Darkknight512:
Actually this is what Google states you should get in terms of battery for HW accelerated video playback. I took a look at the CPU stats and the CPU was sleeping for 1 hour 50 minutes for a 2 hour 45 minute movie. I was watching in the dark so screen was at near minimum brightness.

This is an expected result. I'm not sure if H.264 HW decode is implemented in the graphics core, DSP, or hard digital logic. Graphics core would be the highest power usage and hard logic would be lowest. What I observed is basically the best case scenario for SoT, better would be WiFi off and Airplane mode in the dark. What my observation shows is that you can expect your phone to be able to play back 4-5 full length movies on a plane.
[Nexus 5X General] blassster:
For those who were wondering about an audio playback followup from my post 2 days ago. Does this mean that the non Play Music apps aren't using the DSP, or they're just inefficient? Mixed audio output scenarios, but for Doggcatcher vs Play Music it should be directly comparable. Look at all three keep awake times too.

Audible:

-2.5 hours of listening time through a Bluetooth speaker

-337 mAh of drain.

-600mb of books was downloaded during playback.

Play Music:

-2 hours of listening time through the headphone jack

-35mAh of drain.

-Downloaded about 1.2GB of albums while listening.

Doggcatcher:

-2 hour of listening time through the phone speaker

-381mAh of drain.

-Turned off feed refresh during this test.

Cc: [MENTION=5530350]bblzd[/MENTION] [MENTION=1595685]daver68[/MENTION]
[Nexus 5X General] daver68:
Huh, that definitely looks like Doggcatcher and Audible aren't using the same "engine" as Play Music.

I put "engine" in quotes because we don't know for certain that they are or aren't using the DSP that comes with the SD808, which we inherently believe that Play Music does.

Does either Doggcatcher or Audible have an option to use internal player vs external player? For example, I use Podcast Addict for my podcasts, and I disable the "internal audio player" which means the app isn't handling playback. I wonder if this could mean the difference between app doing all the audio vs tunneling through the DSP?
[Nexus 5X General] blassster:
I understand what you mean by that, good theory. Nothing like that in Audible. DC external player mode makes it want to launch another app to play the file, which of course doesn't keep track of listening progress. Wondering if the devs should be contacted for more info. Cheers.
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
Interesting, I had a similar numbered process show up using around 1% of my battery. I haven't a clue what it is. The number was 99033.
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
I do see what you mean. When I said most I really meant that more people were in the 2-3 hours category than any other category. Sorry if that cause any confusion. The graph also shows that most people(~83%) are getting 4 hours or less with, as I said, the biggest group being the 2-3 hours group. I think that this clearly shows that a lot of people are having battery life problems.

I wouldn't say I'm "emotionally" invested in my phone. I just want it to have power when I want/need it.

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I don't recall anyone ever providing any reasonable troubleshooting steps. Turning off all the features and uninstalling apps isn't a reasonable solution since it would basically make having a smartphone kind of pointless. Some people come here because they don't know what to try and they are looking for help and often get responses that basically say if you want better battery life don't use your phone or don't be in places that have weak signal(like that is even an option for most people) and think that is a solution. And by the way, poor signal is NOT my issue and based on many screen shots I've seen here it isn't the problem "9 times out of 10". Based on the Reddit poll that has been referenced several times there are a LOT of people getting less than 4 hours SOT with the 2-3 hours option getting more votes than any other option. That isn't confirmation bias. It's a sign of a real problem that many people seem to be having. People aren't willing to admit that a 2,700mAh battery just doesn't meet the power requirements for the phone.
[Nexus 5X General] blassster:
I think this happened with Nexus 5/KK release and they eventually fixed it. Happened to me then if so, and happening now.
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Interesting test and results, thanks for sharing. Based on estimated power usage would I be correct in guessing somewhere around 25% brightness was used?
[Nexus 5X General] Darkknight512:
Whatever 1 step above minimum is. Probably 5-10%. So yes, nearly best case scenario.
[Nexus 5X General] daver68:
I'm willing to bet that if you use Google Play Music to just play a couple of podcast files (probably stored in /Android/data/com.app.folder.name/*) for an hour or two, you'd see the same results as if you just listened to music for 2 hours.

At this point, I can only assume that there's some sort of tunneling happening with Play Music, but not the other apps. Maybe it's an EQ thing.
[Nexus 5X General] renton82:
Today, frustrated for poor battery life of my Nexus 5X i've done a factory reset. Before factory reset, battery drain about 3-4% in one hour, now, here you are the result! Apart for first part of the graph, where had installing and upgrading apps, the second part is fantastic! The phone was not only layed on a desk, but i took with me as i walked.

I don't know why or wich app drained my battery before, but now i am heading for exclusion! When i taked these screenshot i have just installed whatsapp, telegram, amazon apps, now i installed Instagram and Play News... i thing i'll proceed so until i'll find a guilty app (if it will be...)
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Kudos to you for trying basic troubleshooting steps and resolving your issue. A couple people here are only willing to complain and not willing to do anything to help themselves so that is refreshing to see.

Process of elimination is a great way to find out which of those apps was causing your issues. Do get back to us with your results. I believe snapchat was just updated in the last week to fix its compatibility issues with Android 6.0 but I know there are many more that have not yet.
[Nexus 5X General] daver68:
Cannot emphasize this enough. Great to see that you've started with a clean slate and are continuing your testing. Please let us know how the next few days turn out!
[Nexus 5X General] renton82:
Yes, of course! ;)
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
Some people come here because they need advise on what to try but don't get any real answers. Also, some of us realize that there are battery drain issues that are out of our control and are just venting our frustration of bad design decisions(mainly having such a tiny battery).
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Speaking of people who are only willing to complain and not willing to do anything to help themselves... is that more complaints I spy? That couldn't possibly be more refusal to help themselves because "drain is out of their control" could it? Say it ain't so! :eek: This is my shocked face.

I'm not sure if it's laziness, ignorance, or just plain stupidity but I'll never understand why some are only willing to go as far as typing angry paragraphs and call it a day. I guess I should be thankful though, without those folks I'd probably be out of a job.

We can't help those who aren't willing to help themselves.
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
If I could help myself fix the problem myself I wouldn't need to be here in the first place now would I?

I came here looking for a community of friendly and helpful people because I don't know what to do to fix this awful battery life (again, I wouldn't be here if I knew what to do). Instead I'm greeted by people that call me stupid for not knowing how to fix it myself and offer no help at all except solutions that basically suggest not using the phone at all. I thought this was a friendly and helpful community. I guess I was wrong.

There as also a bit of venting my frustration. Sorry if that bothered anyone. For something that cost me over $400 I was hoping for less hassle and that it would "just work".
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Can't help those who aren't willing to help themselves.

Key word willing. You're not willing to help yourself, you're not even willing to entertain the idea that one of your apps could be causing issues which is honestly laughable on a new Android release.

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what anyone else's battery life is. However if someone were to demonstrate they're willing to learn and try and improve their situation then I'd certainly be willing to lend a hand.

However not only have you proven that you know very little on the subject, but you're also completely unwilling to learn. If you spent half as much effort researching as you did "venting" I'm sure you'd have resolved your issue by now.

Please do buy an iphone next time. It will get the same 2-3 hours screen time you see now but at least you won't have to deal with confusing battery statistics and rogue apps and can live in blissful ignorance. If you think a $400 Nexus phone should "just work", that's what the extra $500 that Apple charges is for.
[Nexus 5X General] big_b0sss:
One of the worst result, what on earth is that Google connectivity services
[Nexus 5X General] big_b0sss:
Never seen it before
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
I am totally willing to take real suggestions. I wouldn't say I know "very little" on the subject but admittedly I'm not an expert(again, that's why I came here in the first place). If it was some rouge app shouldn't the battery usage show that? I'm seeing Chrome, Android OS and Screen as the top 3 battery users. Any third party app(any app that didn't ship with the phone) is why down the list. It would seem to me(just a guess on my part) that there is either no rogue app sucking battery or the battery usage of some app isn't being reported accurately. I even tried one of the very few real suggestions I got on here of trying a different browser(I tried Lightning which I didn't like too much and didn't really make a difference anyways) My screen brightness is at like 20% so that should limit some battery drain(although I'd prefer to have it at like 40-50%). According to the battery details my signal strength is pretty good so that shouldn't be hurting battery too much. I keep Location on battery saving so GPS isn't the problem.

I'm really trying to open to suggestions and trying to learn what the problem could be but I just haven't seen any reasonable suggestions (except for the trying a different browser suggestion which ended up not making any difference).

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Do you have an app called LigthFlow installed. I noticed similar problems with ambient display when I had LightFlow installed. Once I uninstalled LightFlow the problem went away. Debating on turning off Ambient display and reinstalling LightFlow but that would require me to turn my screen on more often to see the time and notification details.

I feel your pain buddy. I'm having the same problem.

Probably 95% of my day the signal graph is green (either light green or dark green). I'm lucky if I can get 3.5 hours SOT and I'm not doing anything else that I would expect to use a lot of power(games, GPS nav, etc).
[Nexus 5X General] Ezzy77:
You seem to have a serious wake lock issue. Phone is clearly awake even though screen is off. That's not right.
[Nexus 5X General] renton82:
I think i found the guilty! It'n not apps related!

It's my router in my shop!

At home i have a TP-Link Archer D5 with both 2,4 and 5 Ghz band enabled and my Nexus stay connected with 5 Ghz band (apart when i'm far from router and i stay connected with a TP-Link repeater at 2,4 Ghz).

In my shop i have a TP-Link 8980 Router with same 2,4 and 5 Ghz band and of course i connect always my nexus with 5 Ghz band. After many attempts, where my nexus was connected with 5 Ghz band and it had drained about 5% in a hour, i switch off 5 Ghz band and i connected it with 2,4 Ghz band; after about an hour it had lost only 1% with 2 whatsapp messages received.

Now, i don't know why it happened so, but there's something wrong (maybe some incomaptibility) with my router and Nexus 5X with 5 Ghz band...

Here you are the graph:

In the first part of the graph, as you can see, the line go down straight and the phone is alway stayed in standby with 5 Ghz band, in the small second part as you can see, the line became flat because i connected it with 2,4 Ghz band!
[Nexus 5X General] jgummeson:
Interesting. I have 5 Ghz at home. Don't use it anywhere else though. I tried switching my phone to 2.4 only so I'll see if that reduces my battery drain. I've seen other strange things with the WiFi on this phone. With WiFi switched off I sometimes still see WiFi constantly active in my battery usage. I guess there are some WiFi issues addressed in the MDB08M build, maybe battery drain will improve.
[Nexus 5X General] daver68:
From my understanding, Google Connectivity services is what lets your phone scan for WiFi networks (maybe other network types too?) even when your WiFi is not connected to a network or just "off". You know that option that says something like "Scan for networks even when WiFi is off"? I believe this is what the service does.

You can safely remove it or turn it off, I think. You might want to uninstall it and then re-install it, if network scanning is important to you. Here is the link to the app in the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.gcs&hl=en

Maybe re-installing it might fix it? Dunno. But hopefully you better understand that the service is, and can take care of it.

By chance, is your router a 802.11ac or just a 802.11n?

Hmm, good point. Has anyone else had issues with 5GHz?
[Nexus 5X General] renton82:
It's ac
[Nexus 5X General] daver68:
Ah, I think then, your limiting it to 5GHz means it's on AC all the time and thus using more power for everything WiFi related.

While not technically the exact explanation, I typically generalize that AC will use more power than N would, N would use more power than G, and so on. It's like using LTE vs HSPA: LTE is faster but also uses more power.

If you leave it on 2.4GHz, or just Auto, you ought to have better battery life, as you've now attested to. Give it a few more days like this.

At the same time, keep on watching Doggcatcher and Audible, see how their battery use changes when you're using 2.4GHz/Auto. I doubt they'd change too much, but you never know!
[Nexus 5X General] km8j:
Wtf. Google connectivity services showed up for me today also. 4 hours wakelock. What is that crap. I disabled the app. So far no issues. Should I expect any?
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
I saw the Google Connectivity Services for the first time yesterday but it was really low on my battery list. Haven't seen it today.

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Within the last few days I started seeing the mobile radio active issue. When I first read about it on this thread I've been keeping an eye on it and until a few days ago it hadn't been an issue. Anyone ever find a solution to it? It seems that force stopping the app causing the drain(Chrome in my case) seems to resolve the issue until the next time I launch the app. Battery life was already disappointing enough. This is adds to the problems.
[Nexus 5X General] Ezzy77:
Mine seems to be pretty ridiculous as I'm not using my device at all atm (on sick leave) and it's still being destroyed. Gsam Battery Monitor has my drain at about 2.5%/h even though the device is about 85% in deep sleep.

I've disabled features like Ambient display, Daydream, Wi-Fi scanning, location, always-on mic, Now on tap. Mobile data is now forced to 2G, Wi-Fi only comes on when screen is turned on for a few minutes and disables when screen is turned off etc.

This is just really weird. I actually thought this would have better battery life than a 2½-year-old HTC One...

Here's an album of screenshots from my last charge so far:

https://imgur.com/a/Ox4jB
[Nexus 5X General] km8j:
So has anyone figured out this Google connectivity services thing? I disabled it last night and just noticed I was having issues sending MMS with full LTE. As soon as I enabled it, they went through. Anyone else?
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Interesting. So try setting your phone's WiFi to 2.4Ghz if you're seeing WiFi drain. Specifically if you find turning "WiFi during sleep" to off, as that would indicate that WiFi is using more battery than mobile data which is not normal.
[Nexus 5X General] _LANTERN:
Just flashed Chroma on mine and the difference between the ROM and stock are night and day. Leaving the charger at 7AM I used to have to plug in to recharge around 3 pm with heavy use. After Chroma I'm able to make it til the end of the day (8 to 9PM) with around 4-5hr SOT.

Impressed with the results. Was pretty close to jumping off
[Nexus 5X General] thesoldier:
There seems to be a bug waking up my phone hundreds of times, causing severe battery drain. Sometimes it won't happen and I'll get great battery life. I've ran the phone in safe mode which disables all 3rd party apps and it still occurs. Even installing a custom kernel only fixed it temporarily for me, but it seems to always come back.

Keep an eye on your battery stats, see if you start getting lots of wakelocks or not. I may flash a custom ROM soon, but I really like using Android Pay. I'd much rather have great battery life though if it fixes the problem, and hopefully wait for a workaround.
[Nexus 5X General] hondarider525:
This is on Chroma rom with elemental kernel. A mixture of WiFi and LTE on elementals battery saving kernel setting. I also flashed a rom update during this cycle which cost me about 5-10 percent battery life.

http://imgur.com/xTbDAVQ
[Nexus 5X General] Trinity86:
Mine
[Nexus 5X General] bblzd:
Using Lux lite's auto brightness. 2/3rds of the battery used with only nfc and bluetooth turned off. Something woke the device during Doze, possibly one of 2 background services I've installed recently: lux or airdroid. Also the random numbers, could they be related to merged Chrome tabs? Possibly the sandboxed processes? I will try disabling that setting in Chrome.
[Nexus 5X General] S33k3R86bg:
Android marshmallow

After android marshmallow battery life gets much better!
[Nexus 5X General] MrHollow:
These are my results with the 5X, i'm quite impressed with the battery to be honest, considering that more than 1 hour on the phone i ran tests. More than 1day and a half of standby with 4hours of SOT.
[Nexus 5X General] Ezzy77:
It didn't...that's the whole point of this thread.
[Nexus 5X General] blinkin:
You are saying 5x with lollipop had better battery life? :)
[Nexus 5X General] MrHollow:
The 5X never had Lollipop!
[Nexus 5X General] blinkin:
Yeah that was an irony
[Nexus 5X General] jimv1983:
When I updated my old Nexus 5 from Kit Kat to Lollipop I started seeing this bug where my phone would never sleep when connected to my work's wifi network. When Marshmallow was released I updated my Nexus 5 but the problem was still there. When I got my Nexus 5X the issue was gone. However, yesterday the issue seems to have returned.

Has anyone experienced this issue on select wifi networks? I haven't made any settings changes, installed any new apps or even updated any apps in the last few days and nothing unusual is showing in the battery usage list either. I was so happy when I got the Nexus 5X and the issue appeared to be gone. This really sucks to see it an issue again.
[Nexus 5X General] Sinergie:
I suddenly have the exact same issue with my Nexus 5, that service kept it awake for 6 hours and 44 minutes.

Android (Google) is really terrible with battery usage. They said they wanted to make the battery usage more transparent for the users with Marshmallow, well then explain this abominable behavior.
[Nexus 5X General] rydare:
Ran into an issue yesterday where the phone got stuck in an Awake state for a couple of hours. It went away when I rebooted, but it is still worrying if it decides to do this at an inopportune time. Might be a rogue app or something, I'm sure if I contacted Google they'd tell me to boot into safe mode and see if it persists, but it only happens once in a blue moon.
[Nexus 5X General] Ezzy77:
No, that was actually sarcasm. Know the difference.