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[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackCreek:
1) I understand the benefits of USB C but I have a significant investment in Qualcomm Quickcharge 2.0 wall, and car, and power bank, and cables. So I actually prefer at this time to stay with micro USB for compatibility with my other devices. USB C might make more sense in a couple years.

2) Removable battery. Not because I intend to swap it but rather because I hope to stay with this phone for many years and when the battery get tired I can buy a new one.

3) Micro SD. My current phone is small so I use it for audio only and my tablet for video only. I am hoping by switching to a big phone I can use one device for both audio and video. This means I want lots of storage and the max 128GB of the 6P is not enough for me.

4) I do not like the wasted bezel space at the top of the 6P. I'm thinking the V10 2nd display with be useful for me.

5) I like the combined power and finger print sensor on the back.

6) I think a camera with OIS is better than one without. And I like manual camera controls.

7) I don't play games but I like to multitask. So more ram and lower power cpu is a plus for me.

What might change my mind?

If upcoming 6P camera reviews demonstrate it is a lot better than the V10 camera. If the V10 pricing is not competitive. If I see some serious flaws reported in V10 reviews.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
If you were really an audiophile than you wouldn't need convincing. The superb ESS DAC/AMP in the LG V10 should have been enough to tip the scale quite easily.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
Oh, kind of like the ESS DAC and amp in this? https://www.oppodigital.com/headphone-amplifier-ha-2/

Carrying around that has been just fine for quite a while. Not having to carry that and still having all of the features I want in a smartphone is my goal. If you read my post, maybe you would have understood.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
You'll never be able to convince me that you'd rather carry around a stack if you don't have to. That's absurd. Choice is easy. LG V10.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
I'd rather carry it than go without the smartphone features I want. Many people do.

You have yet to post a logical argument as to why the V10 is better.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Stacks are bulky and annoying. Nobody wants to carry that around if they dont have to and the v10 eliminates that need. I never said the LG is "better". I said the v10 has a superior dac/amp that would make the decision easy for a true audiophile. Not to mention the 6p doesn't even have an sd card slot for more music.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
Bottom line for me looks like I'm going with the V10 over the Nexus 6P. Very excited for it. Might be a month but I am going to get myself a little "early" Christmas present :D
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Samsung.Galaxy.S3:
No need to convince. Don't get it. It doesn't meet your needs/wants.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Craleb:
I got my 6p in the mail today. Really nice phone, but something makes me want to try the v10, (the promo helps) camera is probably just as good maybe better. I ordered from ATT in Opal Blue, I figure if it doesn't compare I can return it. Or if Its better, keep it and sell the 6p.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elnrik:
I agree. I think I'll be sticking with the N6P.

Mind giving us a comparison once you've had the chance to test drive both? I'm still interested in the V10, I'm just thinking the N6P better suits me at this point.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sammae7:
I thought I was going to prefer the Nexus 6P over the LG V10 but that was ruined when I learned Nexus was going AMOLED again. It was a disaster the first time around and doesn't sound all that great this time. I'm reading a lot of complaints on brightness and a pink/blue hue to the screen.

I just don't trust AMOLED. I'm a moderate to heavy user and don't need a screen that can suffer image retention, burn in, and/or color degradation anywhere from a week to a year after purchase.

All in all, though, I'll be sticking with my G4 as the V10 isn't worth the upgrade.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Craleb:
I really like the 6p, its beautiful, the camera is amazing, and its fast and clean. My v10 comes tomorrow, I will gladly share my opinion.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aygul12345:
I dont know how it is how long you can record in 4k? Just like the g3 just 5 minutes? Because of the heat? Can somebody confirm this?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mgbotoe:
It looks to me you do not care to be convinced, no offense, you find a rebuttal for every positive thing listed and argue against everything. You do not need a convincing, no one can convince you and I am surprise many are wasting their time here otherwise.

Go to the store, play with the v10 and make up your mind. You hate it, keep what you have...you feel otherwise buy it. Not to mention the many reviews floating around EVERYWHERE.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CB620:
Why should WE convince YOU to do something with YOUR money....

These type of threads are dumb as hell. Someone close it.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planetbeen:
I think you should buy 6p for me since I bought the V10 yesterday and I like new toys. ?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
One word: Entitlement
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Craleb:
This is just my opinion, and sorry for bad punctuation/spelling/spacing.

I've had both phones now with at least 24 hours use each. When I pick up the V10 I just think "damn this phone feels amazing" I love the rubber, I love the metal rails, I love the weight! Upon turning on my ATT V10 I was pushed away a bit. The power button feels loose almost cheap unlike the premium feel of the rest of the phone. And the software... I don't mind LG's android skin and the bloat is easily disabled, but obviously it's not as nice as pure marshmallow on the 6p ... And with the ATT locked bootloader there not much you can do(yet). The fingerprint reader on the 6p is VERY nice, I love that you can just touch it when the screen is off and boom it comes on unlocked, but the 6p feels fragile to me, I'm afraid the aluminum is easily dented and the graphite coloring is easily scratched (I have not tested it so it could be a lot tougher than it feels) last night I decided to return the v10 but today I'm having second thoughts because it just feels so damn nice!..... Sigh I am addicted to phones :'-(
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mirrin:
I donno I have had plenty of amoled devices none have ever burned in or degraded in color that I can percieve.

I was just thinking how much I was going to miss amoled going from a note 3 to a moto x pure.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
No
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hasbrobot:
I've had my nexus 6 for 11 months. It has serious burn in where the notification bar resides as well as the nav bar and nav keys. Looking forward to something other than led. Bye bye burned nexus, hello v10!

Sent from my Nexus 6
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
Not at all. It's very useful for other people such as myself who are wondering the same thing, I enjoy seeing people from both sides saying the pros and cons, sometimes they mention things I never thought of.

That said, I had the G4 that I sold for the Note5. I prefer the camera on the G4, I think it's a lot better than the Note5 personally, but it lacked in looks and feel (just felt really cheap). I've been eyeing the 6P and V10, and since many already said pros of the V10 here are a few pros for the 6P:

$75 cheaper

~11% larger battery

Android 6.0 and fast updates

No bloatware

Already rooted and has custom ROMs

Faster processor (which is proven not to overheat on the 6P)

The V10 seems nearly identical to the G4, just larger with a gimmicky second display that may see no app support, and better build materials.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Wrong. Everyone has raved about how much they love the second screen and how useful it is. Obviously you haven't done much research.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
I've read and watched many reviews, and most comment that the second display is pretty useless as it only collects notifications and has some quick launch icons, which are hard to reach.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Obviously you just made that up because everyone has raved about how useful it is. Using your music player with screen on/off in 2nd display is the best imo.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
I've never heard that mentioned in any review, but that's limited to the stock music player... Useless for those that use streaming apps
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
I was told it works for other music apps too.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
Well that's good for customers, weird that the reviews I've seen glanced over that. Normally those little features are exclusive to the stock apps. Either way it doesn't really apply to me since I only listen to music when driving or with my portable speaker and I use steering wheel controls or my watch for that.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LancerV:
Music player doesnt work with the screen off
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Yes it does. If you have music playing already you swipe left when the screen is off.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LancerV:
Ah well that makes it better wish it would stay on it though

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But I like when I get a call it goes to the second screen
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
So how exactly is that better than double tapping the main screen and accessing your controls?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fatboypup:
if its a 64G graphite please cancel
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Because you're not unnecessarily turning on/off a 5.7" QHD display. Waste of battery and time. If you skip tracks a lot that can add up. I.E. f you're a shuffle addict.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rlivin:
Why do you say this? My son is getting his tomorrow.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 98classic:
Music controls on second screen work great for me, for Pocket cast, Pandora, Spotify, Google music etc etc
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fatboypup:
Because i ordered day one and im still pending .... i want mine lol
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
It's great they made this feature universal for all music apps.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 98classic:
Yea, the second screen is growing on me. Not having the notifications pop up randomly as I'm doing something is also nice. Incoming calls don't make the phone useless until you answer or deny either.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dinged:
This phone rocks. The fully manual camera with compatibility with Snapseed's RAW is so unbelievably good. The 2nd screen is a lot more convenient than Samsung's edge and more practical, especially when docking the phone in the car and needing quick access to contact/apps/last used contacts/media control - I use with Car Home Ultra. I prefer this screen to any amoled technologies for color especially whites and the nexus lines aren't bright enough. The G4 was washed out but the screen is really great this time around. IR added bonus is also good when at bars or meetings and no one knows where remote is. The phone could be snappier, but considering that qualcomm screwed all phonemakers for the 2015 year and maybe even 2016, I truly believe the 808 was the right choice as I would rather have slower than even slower over long periods/overheating (810 chipset). Unless you have to have a stylus of the note 5, this is the phone to own right now.

I was debating and tried out the note 5 (hate amoled whites, touchwiz too bloated, no external sd card to take advantage of 4k recording, hardware root trip invalidates warranty), moto x pure (no tmobile band 12 support yet, no tmobile wifi calling, no camera2 api support), sony z5 (expensive, not available in usa, prob no band 12 since tombile not offering, sony might die and no OS upgrades) and nexus 6p (no external SD for 4k video, no OIS especially for video, tmobile band 12 support questionable, colors and brightness of display less than stellar) before choosing the V10. All the phones had cons, but the v10 had the least and most acceptable.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
Why did you list no band 12 as cons to other phones when it's not available on the Verizon V10 either?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dinged:
My tmobile V10 has band 12 support.

The other phone's have band 12 support at the hardware level, but purposely disabled when used with tmobile since mfg did not opt for provider certification.

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My biggest (minor) issue is the display is more on the cold side than I prefer. I do some photo work and certain photos don't look as warm as they should be. These are noticeable only to trained eye..mostly with b/w and high key photos.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
Ah I thought you meant the Verizon V10. The 6P has band 12 now "unofficially", but will have it soon.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] md1008:
If I was you, I would stick with Nexus 6P
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KiRyah:
The V10 is by far the BEST phone I've ever owned! The built in DAC is simply the amazing with the DUNU 2000 and my 1964's... I went to see my friends band Kamelot the other night and the pictures and videos look 4k and the recorded music was killer!

This is an amazing phone! But... It's not been unlocked or rooted unless you're t-mobile. I love being able the benefits of root / unlocked! I'm just not sure if there is a better phone on the market at this time? The 6p maybe? Which did you decide to go with?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] warriorvibhu:
Alright where are you getting your weed from ? Wherever that is change your dealer its really bad quality LOL .. I havent seen someone so ill informed. "

The second screen works with music streaming apps and most of the music apps.

Its useful coz you save so much battery by not switching it on for small small things like time or notifications or music.

One of the real good things that people dont notice or mention is .. When you are typing a message or reading something and there is an incoming call it comes on your second screen and it does not hamper what you are already doing unlike other phones where call screen shows up and you lose track esp if its unnecessary call ..
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geoff5093:
You quoted all of my "old" posts, yet only one is actually relevant to what you replied with. As I even said in my post, the reviews I had read stated it was only useful if using a select number of applications that actually use it, so my basis for that claim was off reviews I had read.

For music controls, long pressing the volume up/down wastes even less as no display is used, and I rarely receive calls on my phone so the later isn't a concern. Whenever I get a call though I usually want to answer it, so I don't mind if it interrupts what I was doing.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] warriorvibhu:
That is awesome then you dont have a use case for this phone .. buy something you love then.. i love this phone but i love HTC more only if they would give a better camera hardware i would not care about second screen so as i said choose what you love.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wadamean:
Thing is though. Yes this phone is amazing. But has quality control problems and screen bleed is evident on the second screen left corner and some phone reported as well under the two front facing cameras
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nazrin313:
I was in the same boat as you last month but what made me decide for the v10? The price of the 64gb variant of the 6p was the same as the v10. And imho, the v10 has more bang to the buck features then the 6p...

V10 pros.. Its faster, removable battery, best cam and video evaaa, sd card, better dac, better screen imho, second screen, durable build, dual sim (in my case)

6p pros... Easily rootable, better external speakers... Thats it
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ljg600:
For what's worth I like that LG isn't creating iPhone clones like Samsung and HTC. The LG v10 has, as pointed out, an interesting list of cool features- the best smartphone camera/video recording, a great headphone audio experience, accurate color display, solid construction, etc. Fluid performance mitigates not having "pure" Android. Also, coming from an N6- I have no issues with LG's UI as long as the phone is well supported with future updates.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paschalis:
Hi all,

I am trying to get an insecure kernel for Nexus 6, marshmallow 6.0, and I stuck at a bootloop.

The AOSP tag android-6.0.0_r1 builds without any errors. Then I flash the produced insecure boot image on a nexus 6, which had the latest 6.0 factory images.

Has anyone managed to do this procedure?

Btw, I am compiling the AOSP sources, and not the kernel sources.

In AOSP, I think, the kernel/zImage is precompiled, and the aosp build system bundles it into a boot image.

So, if someone has managed to build a working insecure boot.img from any marshmallow branch please let me know.

Or has done the same thing from kernels sources, also let me know.

EDIT:

How to compile an insecure kernel:

0. This will use the precompiled kernel found in aosp sources.

So we are not actually compiling. But this title might help some folks googling the topic.

2. modify device/<maker>/<codename>/fstab.<codename>/, and remove verify tag from system

3. make -jN bootimage

Alternatively, you can follow the procedure by ziddey, and removing the verify tag from fstab.shamu, allows the kernel to be booted!

NOTE: insecure kernel is not permissive.

How to compile a permissive kernel:

0. Now we will actually compile the kernel.

1. Download the kernel sources, and checkout the branch you want. Do these modifications.

Finally compile the kernel. (There are many tutorials for kernel compilation online)

2. copy the kernel (arch/arm/boot/zImage-dtb) to your aosp_dir/device/<maker>/<codename>-kernel/

3. Disable verification (as w/ insecure kernel)

4. make -j8 bootimage

How to compile an insecure and permissive kernel:

Not sure about this. I 'd play with configurations in aosp_dir/device/<maker>/<codename>,

or maybe try an eng build. If anyone knows just post it!

I have tried these with the kernel branch "android-msm-shamu-3.10-marshmallow-mr1",

and the aosp tag "android-6.0.1_r21".
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paschalis:
I have also tried to unpack and repack the boot.img using unpackbootimg and mkbootimg from https://github.com/osm0sis/mkbootimg.

I have extracted ramdisk, edited the default prob, repacked ramdisk, and packed using:

mkbootimg --kernel su_boot.img-zImage --ramdisk su_boot.img-ramdisk.gz --cmdline 'console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8 androidboot.console=ttyHSL0 androidboot.hardware=shamu msm_rtb.filter=0x37 ehci-hcd.park=3 utags.blkdev=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/utags utags.backup=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/utagsBackup coherent_pool=8M' --base 00000000 --pagesize 2048 --kernel_offset 00008000 --ramdisk_offset 02000000 --tags_offset 01e00000 --board "" -o ins_su_boot.img

Have I missed anything?

*EDIT* also tried w/ 'abootimg'. Still no luck.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
Screwing around with random files found on the internet is not going to solve your problem. Use the program from *AOSP*. And make sure your parameters match (I'm not going to verify them for you). Bootloops are always cute, what did you change? Typically running make bootimg should make you a good bootimg from AOSP sources.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
Well, turns out that in this case, that assumption is not correct.

The first issue is that the verity keys are not present in a custom built boot.img. At least not ones without also involving an entire system build (not that they would match the system partition that you already have).

So to solve that, edit the fstab file in the shamu device tree to remove the verify parameter from the system partition. Once that is done, it should no longer randomly reboot.

UNFORTUNATELY, that may not be enough to make the whole thing work properly still, since there appears to be some other differences between the AOSP userdebug's boot.img and the google user build. You will be able to adb in, but the android subsystem won't run.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paschalis:
These utilities I have used were the ones that have been successfully used to pack/unpack boot images by others. I have also done this successfully in the past, for another device running earlier versions.

Yeap. That's the problem. A kernel build from AOSP sources does not work out of the box with the rest of the system, if it is a production build. This used to work for Lollipop, but I guess they tighten security up.

Building zImage from kernel sources is still not a solution for me, as I can't properly pack/unpack a Marshmallow boot.img

The problem might be something very stupid, OS specific, and I don't want to waste any more time on this.

For now I will live with SuperSu and adbd insecure.

Maybe at some point I might try to remove the verification to see whether the rest of the stuff play nicely.

Thanks for your time!