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[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Read the online there are plenty of stats (infact even posted here the charge rates at different %), bigger the battery the more juice they can put in at higher charge rates for a longer period of time = more % charged. One thing you can be sure of is Qualcomm would have charged thousands of batteries and used the fastest in the advertising

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Really??? People are referring to Sony's claim, read their disclaimers you will then understand where they get that figure from
[Xperia Z5 General] jeremy_inc:
You'll perhaps have to link to these disclaimers then. On their site they have the test results for the Z3 and Z3+ lasting 2 days but [not so] curiously no such evidence for the Z5, which a) does not last a day on 45 minute charge (which is what we are talking about) and b) anyway doesn't last 2 days on a full charge (which for some reason is what you are talking about).

Z5 battery life sucks compared to the Z3, yet they just continue the same claims with nothing to back them up. Look forward to your so called disclaimers and/or evidence of testing from Sony on this.
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
Did your Z3 last two days? I doubt it as well because most people use the phone much more than the tests. At the end of the day the phone lasts a lot longer than the competition with the same usage.

It really doesn't take long to type http://www.sonymobile.com/ go to products click sony xperia z5 and read to save you some effort I have copied the text from the page, and I will bold them to make the statements harder to miss.

What if every day had more hours?

Do more with up to two days of battery life

Xperia Z5 brings you up to two days** of ground-breaking battery power from a single charge. Listen to more music, talk for days, and stay out longer without worry. When you do need topping up, Xperia Z5 has Quick Charge capabilities to get you a full day of power in just 45 minutes.

Note the to big arse ** after the words days? - This is a disclaimer

I am sure you now get the picture and can find what these **'s mean after the word days on the Sony website, hint it's right down the bottom of the Z5 product page

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So you turn off you phone each time you want to charge it?

I am not sure where you get this from??? It works with the phone on!!!

It might work faster with the phone off, but so does a normal charger
[Xperia Z5 General] jeremy_inc:
You surely are joking right? How bout you follow that ** to the bottom, and see what this disclaimer says? It shows for other models but not the Z5. "**" by itself doesn't mean "we can say things that aren't true", it means "find the ** at the bottom we'll explain it". And as literally I just said (and linked to you), it shows results for their battery claim for other models but not the Z5. Because the Z5 doesn't last 2 days, they just say it does. This is the point of this conversation. I KNOW they say it on their website, it was me that said they say it on their website (and I linked to it there too) that started this whole conversation. The point is they can't back up the claim for this model, but they can for previous ones - because those ones did last 2 days (and they have the test results to show it). And yes my Z3 would last 2 days.

Anyway, you don't really seem like having a discussion, just saying "Sony website says 2 days" over and over, so that's it from me.
[Xperia Z5 General] danw_oz:
The actual thread is actually about quick charge

Did you even read what I wrote, and pasted from the Sony page, the info is not on your link, it is on the Z5 product page, here I will post the whole link http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z5/

Disclaimers are what they are - It is what it is, complain to them about it
[Xperia Z5 General] Mahdian57:
No I didn't do that.

Once phone hasn't charge and suddenly turns off I saw charging took longer.
[Xperia Z5 General] Vcaddy:
I assume the phone should be on for the kernel to manage the fast charging, in my experience with the z5, it could take abt 1:45 to 2 hours+ to fully charge from abt 20% and thats ofcourse using the uc10 quick charge and original cable that came with it, and i seriously see no fast charging if it takes 2 hours to fully charge

Using ampere app, it never showed anything above 1600ma ?

The only time i feel its quick charging is when m using the fone (browsing etc) and batt is around 70% yes it will charge much faster than other fones.

Now to this ugly truth that i wanted to state earlier on this forum but never bothered cuz thought ppl will flame me hahah:

My galaxy s5, came with a 2100ma charger, on stock kernel the fone will charge from 0 to 100 in around 1:45 hours using 1700-1800ma ( mind u the s5 was never advertised or sold as a quick charged fone and the 1st samasung quick charge 1.0 fone was the note 4 to my knowledge ), with a fast charging custon kernel, it will use 2100-2200ma and will charge from 10% to full in exactly an hour if not less.

So back to the topic, how can i get 60% in 30 mins ??!

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I mean 50% in 1 hour is the best i could get with the uc10 quick charge 2.0 :(
[Xperia Z5 General] ilyasking:
Thank

Thank you very much for help and for everything
[Xperia Z5 General] bloomx:
Got AUKEY PA-U28 18W USB Turbo Wall Charger don't seems like it work in some turbo mode.

First of all I think that device should say that it quickcharges, no?
[Xperia Z5 General] gambiting:
"Using ampere app, it never showed anything above 1600ma ? "

Because QuickCharge 2.0 allows the phone to negotiate charging voltage with the charger. Power = Voltage * Amperage, so if the voltage increases you can leave amperage low and the overall power delivered to the phone increases.

Quick example:

Regular USB 2amp charger: 5V * 2amp = 10W of power delivered to the phone

QuickCharge 2.0 charger: 12V * 1.5amp = 18W of power delivered to the phone.

The reason for that is that higher amperage requires thicker cables(your car can draw like 400Amps while starting, and car battery cables are half an inch thick, they would melt otherwise).

Ampere(the app) is a really bad way to measure charging with QuickCharge, because it only shows you amperage, not voltage, and that's where the improvement is.

Nothing on the phone says the device is using QuickCharge, the only indication is on the charger itself - I've got an Anker charger and the light changes from blue to green when a QuickCharge device is connected(the charger has negotiated a different charging voltage with the device, that's how it knows).
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
That's a nice little feature to have - I take it your Z5 negotiates QC mode with it?

In any case, it's pretty clear that the Z5 currently doesn't really support Quick Charge. Sure, my Z5 charges about 10% faster using my Tronsmart TS-WC1Q versus the bundled UCH20 but that's nothing to get excited about. And it's far, far short of Qualcomm claims which are closer to 0-60% charge in 30 minutes...
[Xperia Z5 General] WookieLance:
I can't argue you with big boys about exact figures but as a general user with a Sony branded QC I usually wait until I am on the "Go" so to speak like going out for a night out with the boys or whatever and my mobiles about 30-45% charged I shove it on the QC for maybe 25 minutes and it has 60-75% charge with the phone still turned on but just not being used (screen off).

If I wait until the phone turns itself off automatically or manually turn the mobile off at around <15% battery in roughly 20min >40% charged.

I would not agree that you can get a full day out of <60% you would if you auto-sync and mobile network is off, or if you are someone who does not use apps all day long and just carries the thing around when you leave the house for messages and the odd facebook and email checking then yea you could get through the day on <60%. The battery is okay in the Z5, my rooted Z2 I would get a full two days with some heavy night time use but I imagine this is due to governor.
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirkland301:
Has anyone tried using the Samsung Adaptive Fast Charger with the Z5 yet? I've got one but it's at work and I'm off for a week. May be worth a shot? I tried the adaptive charger with my Hudl 2 tablet and it seemed to charge a hell of a lot faster than the normal bundled charger which wouldn't charge the device with the screen on!
[Xperia Z5 General] REDOTHELLO:
I'm really disappointed with the Misleading Advertising
[Xperia Z5 General] WookieLance:
What surprised me a little was that Sony went with the magnetic charger again instead of inductive charging capabilities for the Z5. On a different matter what interests me more is this http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/130...in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air

I don't think charge times will be a problem in 2020.

I would not really say it's misleading. It is common knowledge one would think now days anyway that seeing a "*" anywhere means conditions apply, meaning in this case the information would have been obtained under certain usage conditions I never expect a battery device to perform as it says on the box as the testing is done in labs under perfect use scenarios most of the time.
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
With my Z5P I get 1% of charge every minute on average, that's 0-90% in 1h 30 mins.

Now once it reaches 90% charging becomes much slower and it takes another 30 mins for a full charge.

I tried charging while device is off, same results. I'm using the original UC QC 2.0 charger and cable.

I could never get anything like 2%/min so probably that 60% in 30 mins is not applicable
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirkland301:
Say whaaa? The Z5 doesn't have magnetic charging capabilities though:crying:
[Xperia Z5 General] WookieLance:
Correct, I thought I may have had magnetic charge still (I didn't use it on the Z2 either though) still one would think the inductive charge may have been used this time around.
[Xperia Z5 General] Kirkland301:
I know right, it seems an odd decision to omit both. Can't help feel Sony have slightly deprived us here.
[Xperia Z5 General] WookieLance:
I'll be honest the biggest temptation when I got my Z2 over the LG was the inductive charge but Sony won me over having hands on with the Z1 and the water tight design. Well I guess I'm thankful enough that the international version of the Z5 got quick charge unlocked, I remember there was a dirty root hack to do this on some international Z2s but official support is very welcome on the Z5. Here's hoping Z6 has inductive.
[Xperia Z5 General] Darni187:
Check this out i got 0-93% in 1hr 30mins with Z5 turned off using Samsung fast adaptive charger with the sony cable which came with the phone.. :laugh:
[Xperia Z5 General] RyTekk:
With Sony UCH10 QC 2.0 certificated I got ~2h to charged from 20%, WiFi and data are always on. With Anker Powerport 18W, I still got that result, I checked the current by Live Charging and Battery Monitor both give 1555mA is max, IDK how OP could get over 2000mA.
[Xperia Z5 General] prince10t:
probably OP is using Z5 premium, which is definitely advertised as QC2 in Sony's own Z5P website specifications. I got curious of this before, so went on youtube to check other users with Z5P, and saw it definitely reaches 1.6-2amps of charging speed during the whole course of charging.
[Xperia Z5 General] indianmeister:
45 mins of quick charge with aukey pa-u28

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And temp didn't rise at all
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
Still pretty disappointed with the slow "Quick Charge 2.0", even with the latest Marshmallow 32.1.A.1.185 version. I had held out some hope that there might be an improvement over Sony's Lollipop but, no:

2% -> 100% in 114 minutes with phone turned on (but otherwise idle)! Yes, I'm using a QC2.0 charger (Tronsmart TS-WC1Q) and the cable that came with it.
[Xperia Z5 General] sakis_the_fraud:
hello!

what is the max current the device can handle?

I believe that the supplied 5V/1,5A charger is too slow.
[Xperia Z5 General] _LLJY:
60% in 30 mins was achieved by Qualcomm in *LABORATORY CONDITIONS* meaning they probably achieved it with a bare battery and not a phone. You have to consider that 1.phones draw quite a bit of power even when idle and 2. The z5P has a larger battery

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If you use a QC 2.0 charger, it's 5v @ 3a, 9v @ 2a and 12v @ 1.67a. those are the voltages and amps
[Xperia Z5 General] sakis_the_fraud:
I was talking about normal charger, not QC certified.

I don't know if it can benefit from a better than the included charger lets say 5v-2amps, because it would be better for me to buy a charger like this to use it with other devices than buy a QC charger only for my phone [emoji6] .
[Xperia Z5 General] _LLJY:
Well the phone can take up to 5v 3a on a "normal" charger
[Xperia Z5 General] Kratellismorru:
I bought a tronsmart QC3 (3 port) charger for travel purposes, but to my surprise, charging times doesn't vary too much with the stock

Stock charger (UCH 20) - 2hrs 10mins

Tronsmart QC3 (Using QC3 port) - 2hrs 5mins

Tronsmart QC3 (Using VoltIQ port) - 2hrs 10mins

*result minutes are estimates, but they all charge pretty much the same time
[Xperia Z5 General] SysGhost:
With a QC 2.0 charger I bought (Unitek desktop stand with 4 ports, as of one is a QC 2.0 port), it took less than an hour to get a full charge. It seems it varies alot between chargers.

I guess your charger never fully activated QC mode, and stayed in a normal charge mode. (Bad/incompatible cable?)
[Xperia Z5 General] Allek84:
I charge my Z5 with Samsug 2A charger and he is fully charged for 2 hours.I think is ok time for charging.
[Xperia Z5 General] migidid:
Be sure to turn soft charging off from settings-about phone-status-charging optimization! almost halfed my charging time.
[Xperia Z5 General] klemen241:
i am sorry what? i lost you at settings about phone status. there are no options there
[Xperia Z5 General] migidid:
really ? im on A.4.3 d6653. its there, attached screenshots
[Xperia Z5 General] cocagenda2:
im also using Samsungs adaptive fast charger and i get 50% in about 20-30 mins definetly faster then the stock...but the phone gets hotter comparing to stock charger LOL no wonder hehe...full charge i think i get in about 1h30min or 2h im not exactly sure...
[Xperia Z5 General] klemen241:
i dont have that options lol
[Xperia Z5 General] _LLJY:
Which ROM are u on lol
[Xperia Z5 General] klemen241:
your slimx lol
[Xperia Z5 General] _LLJY:
Lol that option is not in slimx just so you know.

It charges fast by default

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Btw, do you happen to experience any random reboots?
[Xperia Z5 General] klemen241:
oh thought it was fishy haha. No, on latest no random reboots at all. Only bluetooth settings not working
[Xperia Z5 General] zer0se7en:
Nobody here anymore?
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
Z5 Quick Charge still an issue?

Hi,

Sorry to bring up an old post but this still seems to be an issue. I posted this on Sony's support forum but thought I would share my observations here too.

Apologies if this has been posted before but couldn't see anything specific.

I have a few queries/observations regarding fast charging/rapid charging.

My original Z2 has always charged pretty slowly, as in a 2 + hours using USB connection behind flap. However at some point over the two years since I bought it, there was an update that added the Fast Cable Charging toggle in the battery menu and ever since whether I use a Qualcomm charger or the stock 1.5A charger as long as its charged using the magnetic dock, then it will fully charge in just over an hour and the lock screen displays 'Charging Rapidy'.

Obviously the magnetic port seems to be able to draw higher amps than the usb connector behind the flap and whether you use a fast charger or not, the lock screen always displays 'Charging' but never 'Charging Rapidly' when using the usb connector.

My understanding is that the Charging Rapidly, Charging Slowly, Charging which is displayed on the lock screen is simply related to the charging amps that are being detected and does bear any relation to Fast Charging by Qualcomm but if I'm wrong please correct me.

For some reason the Fast Cable Charging toggle has dissapeared from my Z2 battery options though I'm not sure it should have ever been there as I beleive only the Japanese variant supported Qualcomm Fast Charging. Despite this is still charges incredibly rapidy when using the magnetic dock.

I have just purchased a Z5 and expected it to fully outperfom my Z2 but so far in terms of the battery, it is slower to charge than the z2 and even when using the official Sony Qualcomm charger and lead, it only ever shows 'Charging' on the lock screen and never 'Charging Rapidly' like the Z2 with the magnetic dock. Can anyone explain this? Seems crazy that the magnetic port allowed the Z2 to charge much faster than its successor. I also note that the Z5 does not have the Fast Cable Charging toggle in the battery menu so is this something Google have removed?

Update: Having tested my Z2 and new Z5 side by side I've found that Z2 charges much faster using stock charger and magnetic charging dock and the Z5 charges much slower using the UCH10 and UCB11 cable than the Z2. Is there a known issue with fast charging not working on the Z5?

Thanks
[Xperia Z5 General] reza_v:
Well, the normal charging time of a Z5 with stock cable and fast charger is around 2 hours, maybe less (depends on if battery optimization is enabled or not). So nothing is wrong with your Z5. I don't think there's an issue with quick charging on Z5, I assume Sony has slowed down the charging speed intentionally to increase battery life time.
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
Hi,

I thanks for your reply.

My issue is Sony claims with the Fast Charger you can get 5.5 hours out of a 10 minute charge and a full days use out of a 45 minute charge but this isn't the case.

I don't know if anyone else can confirm this but is it the case that Google has removed the 'Charging Slowly and Charging Rapidly from the lock screen and now just has Charging? I only ask as Marshmallow has the three options but it appears Nougat does not.

Thanks
[Xperia Z5 General] reza_v:
I've had a Z5 for the last 18 months and I don't recall having such options in marshmallow firmware or any previous firmware for that matter.
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
Can anyone who is on latest Nougat update v7.1.1 confirm what charging current they are seeing in ampere using a fast charger?

I have tested with UCH10 and Aukey fast chargers and not seeing anything higher than 1560ma which is the same when I use a stock charger.

I also note that whether 'Charging Optimization' is on or off makes no difference to charging current or speed so now wondering if 'Charging Optimization' is stuck on.

Can't see this being a hardware fault with my device as when it was on Android 5.1.1 the feature was working and Ampere was showing between 1800-2000ma.

I'd really appreciate it if someone could check what current they are seeing in Ampere using a fast charger and let me know.

Many thanks.
[Xperia Z5 General] reza_v:
Apparently Ampere is incompatible with my device, but regarding your concerns, you should keep in mind:

1) Fast charging isn't only about current, it's related to your charger's power (watts) output which is equal to current in amps times voltage in volts. Since a Sony fast charger (like UCH10) is able to output 5, 9 or 12 volts, it may produce more power with less current.

More info on UCH10 quick charger:

https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/quick-charger-uch10/specifications/

2) Charging optimization has nothing to do with fastcharging, current, etc. When enabled, it doesn't use all of the battery cells to hold charge, so battery lifetime increases over time but you'd get less battery life per charge cycle. I assume it also decreases charging time since a portion of your battery wouldn't be used.
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
I've never noticed any difference in charging times using either a QC 2.0 charger or non-QC (UCH20). In my opinion, Sony has disabled any Qualcomm quick-charging features in this phone.
[Xperia Z5 General] filjusz:
Not true. My Sony Xperia Z5 on stock 7.1.1 charging with 2190 ma, so QC is working pretty well. Full charge from 15 to 100 in 1h 10m with Aukey QC 2.0 charger
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
Hi,

Thanks all for replies.

[MENTION=7278151]EugenStanis[/MENTION] Do you have charging optimization enabled or disabled? Could you send me a screenshot of Ampere on your device?

Mine is a Z5 Dual on 32.4.A.0.160 firmware...is that the same as yours?

As I've previously said, I tested it when the device was on Android 5.1.1 and it was working and Ampere showed over 2amps as yours does, but since it updated its not working.

Many thanks.
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
Looks like all three of my Tronsmart TS-WC1Q QC 2.0 chargers (http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-wc1q-rapid-wall-charger) are duds so :(

EDIT: Although "15 to 100 in 1h 10m" is not much more than 1% per minute - hardly QC - and about the same as non-QC UCH20 anyways.
[Xperia Z5 General] filjusz:
I will post charging screens here later
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
Perfect, many thanks.
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
So I've tested this all again and installed the stock v5.1.1 firmware for the Z5 dual and still only got max 1550ma in Ampere and at that point realised I had made a mistake in my original testing and instead of installing the stock rom for my Z5 dual (E6633) v5.1.1, I had installed the stock rom for the single sim version E6653! Realising this, I decided to flash the E6653 v5.1.1 firmware again last night just to be sure and surprise surprise, fast charge works and ampere shows max 2190ma.

So it seems pretty clear to me that the Z5 Dual's firmware does not support Quick Charge despite Sony saying it does.

I did notice a couple of processes running on the E6653 firmware that weren't present on the dual's such as TransmitPowerApp but I have no idea if that's the fast charge process or not.

Anyone else have a Dual that could confirm my findings?

Thanks.
[Xperia Z5 General] ricodredd:
I wouldn't pay too much attention to what something like Ampere reports - it's only the charge time that really counts in the end. 0% to 100% takes a little shy of 2 hours for me using BOTH QC and non-QC chargers. That's all that matters. 0% to 50% times are also similar/same.
[Xperia Z5 General] 980ctane:
I take your point but there is a significant difference in the charging current between the E6653 and E6633 firmware (1550ma vs 2190ma)and certainly enough to affect charging time.

On the E6653 firmware it works as advertised, charging to 60% in roughly 45 mins whereas the E6633 firmware barely reaches 35% in 45 mins.

It makes all the difference if you need a top up in a hurry and that's what Sony are advertising so the feature should be present.

The Z5 Dual product page clearly states it has Quick Charge just as the normal Z5 page shows.