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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Hey go ahead say what you want I don't see your root out xD and did you ever think I could be making you think that I'm a complete idiot for one I knew more than you'd think xD don't know exploit from vulnerability yeah Im surprised you would think anyone is that retarded and asking about tools is legitimate I've been doing plenty of work without them I was simply asking and I've gotten in the phone w out your methods Jcase you think your better than everyone and that's very clear so the deal is you thought I was an idiot asking where I should look for a vulnerability was just to narrow down possible spots I had my own found simply you want to be a **** that's fine but don't come into my thread talking **** I have multiple people that could vouch on my work right now so put your ego down and relase root then talk ****
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
And as for leading people on that is definitely not what I'm still working on it and as I've said people can vouch for me
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
I haven't promised one either, but you know you can see a ton of mine already out, like in those training materials that you are trying to learn from, the ones I wrote. The only really public of that kind out there.

I don't think you are an idiot, I just know you are talking about things you don't know publicly, then privately asking beginner questions. I don't look down upon beginners, I try and help them. You don't see anyone publishing as much training material, or exploit source for Android as I do. Anyone.

I have't tried to mean or look down upon you, I actually took quite some time (that I didn't really have to spare) to talk you through aspects of it, as seen in the log ill post below.

I would love to see multiple respected/known people vouch for your work. As for mine, I don't think I need anyone to vouch, as I've published more android exploits than anyone, period. Thats not my ego speaking, that is fact.

I'll leave this log of our conversation here, so people can see how helpful I was trying to be to you, and the type of questions you were having to ask:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yMRZpdtQ
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Just saying project is going just fine yes this is my first root project never denied that you just don't want me to relase a root for some reason is it because you want to be the first? I mean really and yea you don't have to waste your time you coulda just said RTFM and make this as toxic as the Linux community but I'm sure I'll have this root out as for if I lose support or if people want to discredit me that's all on you if you guys don't have any faith in my clearly state it and I'll discontinue releasing info publicly but that is on you guys here at XDA and that's that an Jcase may I add if you and everyone else you dev with was so good as you claim wouldn't you have the turbos BL unlocked?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
I completely support you and hope you succeed in rooting this phone. Best of luck to you and anyone working with you.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
So to the fine people of XDA do I continue or would you rather me stop I can understand if you'd rather not use a root made by me as its my first time and if so tell me worst case you guys tell me to stop and you wait on Jcases supposed root now I am 100% day an night learning and doing all I can by the hour so yes I'm not used to this but I have friends and family members that have watched me on this project all month long so you guys decide what happens next
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
You misunderstand completely. Jcase is one of the most well respected members of the community. I personally put him right up there with hash and Dan R. Everyone would like to see you succeed, including jcase. The point is that your answers in this thread have been strange. On one hand you are claiming imminent release of root, and on the other you are showing someone like jcase that you don't seem to know that much. There is nothing wrong with being a beginner at looking for exploits, but it is wrong if you were purposely misleading us and/or him. I personally can't wait for write protection to be disabled and bootloader unlock and no one cares who that comes from. You've heard directly from jcase. He has root, but doesn't have a practical use for it without bootloader unlock. Additionally, he doesn't currently have time to look into it due to another project. There isn't a competition. Do what you are doing and release what you have. You have to understand that there have been tons of people that have claimed root/bootloader unlock/insert random cool thing since the first Android phone came out. A lot of those claims were bogus or malicious in nature. Hopefully you actually do have a product and will release it. We turbo owners all will be waiting.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mastertr:
I'll just be honest, as much as I hope you do successfully release a root for this phone, I am skeptical if it'll happen. It's not an easy task for veteran devs let alone someone who seems to be learning from scratch. I do think you are leading people on in regards to your skill level and this supposed dev team you have that are thus far imaginary. Please do keep learning and aiming for root, but like [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] said, be honest.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
I here by swear to wait for your release, before releasing anything that I personally find/develop.

Have fun, I love seeing new roots get released
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mrkhigh:
Hey now.... Let's not go that far....
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
I was never claming to be close and I'm not misleading anyone so please no one assume that I would never push out some bogus or malicious code
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] koftheworld:
I give you my permission to break this promise at any time lol.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Jcase if you have a root by all means just release it why wait on a novice to release the fact of it is I was only doing this for us turbo owners hard to achieve or not I'm always up for a challenge
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Look guys I'll keep working even if Jcase has a root out first but if not its up to you if you use it or not I will get there I don't want anyone thinking I was misleading anyone im just simply trying to help the community I apologize if I screwed up and if you still support my efforts then i appreciate that and hopefully there's root either way
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
There was no imaginary dev BTW I wouldn't go into a project like this alone but sadly my other dev had to bail on the project due to work reasons so I'm now solo on the project
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
Why not just released the temproot for now? That would give everyone a chance to mess around with it and possibly even help development. Isn't that the glory of open source anyway?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mrkhigh:
Jcase, I trust you get where I'm coming from... If you don't I apologize.

While I have serious respect for jcase's abilities, I often wonder why people think it's the jcase show. He is probably the most active. Everything he's said here is true, but there are other talented people.

The reason I say this is shifty, there are probably a dozen people working on root exploits that may include this phone. And that's a good thing.

Work hard shifty, some day you may be great. But till then don't be so defensive you'll lose more than you'll gain.

I used to be "good" at an online board game, a kid came a long, no talent and told me that me and him would be playing in the national tournaments and asked me to help teach him. Three years later, he placed in the top 20. I still ranked in the top 150 on a good day.

Moral of the story, work hard and choose good teachers.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aneeshmbabu:
I smell something is cooking
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
I don't know who's really going to waste time teaching a novice dev to root it is a very hard project and its all new to me and to the response on why no temproot two reasons one I don't have the source code plus we scraped it and it was just way to unstable had someone test it results wernt good so I think that may have been my bad partly I'm unsure as I didn't really have much to do w that script just the generation of the idea
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
I get where you are coming from, I'm far from the only or best, people seem to think I am primarily due to the amount of roots I have released. However, I do know what I'm doing most of the time, and I know when others do as well. I do nothing but encourage others in this pursuit. I actively publish source code to most of my exploits, and well as training material at no cost. This year I flew to Las Vegas on my own dime, to do a free "sold out" training session.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mrkhigh:
I'm very familiar with your habits and appreciate them. I don't have a twitter account but I still follow you on a regular basis. Amongst a few others.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bfq:
thanks for your work! i will wait for!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mbarry55:
Jcase has been around the android community forever and I still remember him helping me in irc when I took a leaked update onto my droid eris. So yes, he's as good as anyone claims him to be. That said, root is root and whoever comes up with it, kudos to you. I'll be getting a turbo next week so I've been monitoring this a little and the more people working on it the better.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sonjohn1:
Well, this thread got hijacked quickly. A public dressing down and a threat to release notes of a private conversation wasn't necessary. Go for it Shifty. If you get an acceptable root more power to you, if you don't no big deal. JCase, I've been on these boards a long time because I like playing with my phones and XDA is the best. Your exceptional talent and all the good work you do is unquestioned, but this wasn't your best hour. I meant what I said about the Devs working together in an earlier post. The community needs more of that. Youth and experience work best when they work and learn from each other.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Alright i I'll keep going for it
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aneeshmbabu:
I'm confident on u [MENTION=4310761]Shiftydogit[/MENTION]
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smokie75:
This whole thread is a charade and a circle-jerking waste of time. I have zero faith that anyone who has no understanding of sentence and paragraph structure, use of capitalization, or use of punctuation will produce anything of substance in regards to what we already have (or more precisely, have not) on the Turbo.

It has been a great demonstration by some of you guys with a strong /s game.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Well the fact of good grammar doesn't exactly effect a coders ability to code and program I mean yes my knowledge probably isn't the best but you should be happy that someone is even trying to get this device rooted so if you worry about grammar and punctuation etc you should complain to someone who actually cares frankly I don't I'll work on this till I get it use the Root if you want I don't really care that's on you but to everyone who is pushing me for this I just want to thank you for having some faith in me
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] helpsliprich:
Just do what you can man, nothing to prove. If it works out great, if not, thanks for trying.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Qutayba Khader:
That's right ... Thank you already Shiftydogit ... If it's work or not ... Thank you for what you're doing ..:good:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Thanks guys I'll keep going until I get completely stuck
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Aravindtop:
Honestly, shifty. Answering this thread is killing your productivity. And it's dashing my hopes for a root. Just post updates and answer LEGIT questions. Otherwise, don't reply or it will turn into a charade. Just keep working. I don't care who it is, as long as SOMEONE says they are working on root, I will be holding out.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Eh I'll get it eventually today I was backing up my work off my computer so
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aneeshmbabu:
Any news
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] dbornack:
Seconded (and I think mentioned somewhere else around here.) It's painful to read, and I'm surprised JCase has the patience. Kudos.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sonjohn1:
Everyone relax, the thread police are here to save the day. Glad to see you fellas are doing your bit to raise the level of discourse. Anything else you need from me officer?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
is that still true? I genuinely hope so. would be sad to delay it further for nothing(i know, man, it's not a top priority in the first place. )

Honestly,i started to sell my Turbo when i saw this. Not because I believe that only jcase can do things, shifty, but because he has put a lot of time into it already....hours and hours of time researching the platform and specifically this phone, and he is literally a professional security researcher with countless hours of experience. Security Researchers are very valuable to this community and when trying to find vulns and exploits, not exactly the dudes to get into a pissing match with over a possible root or exploit. [MENTION=4310761]Shiftydogit[/MENTION] i dont mean to be discouraging . Lesson one, though, the names djrbliss and jcase and what devices they have exploited and how. Great teachers if you let them be. Keep learning. Keep trying new things.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
I'm currently working on an automatic analysis framework, which has a higher priority for me. It will allow finding bugs at a higher pace.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
As I have put countless hours into experience isn't always everything now I'll say Jcase has more knowledge yes but even people who have no idea what they are doing put enough hours into it they shall get someone if they really want to im currently testing out a couple ideas of mine to get root more on that later when more updates come but its going a lil better than I anticipated so if you sell your phone that's on you I for one won't stop trying simply because there's no root for the phone yet and I want root so no matter if Jcase is indeed working on it I think I'm close or onto something with this device

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] kitcostantino:
Dude....it is certainly not a competition between you and jcase. nor comparison. nor same ballpark....nor sport.

there is no scenario where research is outdone by will. it is totally possible. I will suggest you dig through all the Turbo threads if you want to see what has been done. there are some really talented people out there aside from jcase. however, your time trying to make progress will be better served by trying to learn who has tried what so you dont repeat the same processes. started to sell...' (notated to indicate such an event didnt happen).

the couple of things we talked about have been done. by waaaay smarter people than myself. (and i gladly admit what is beyond my knowledge/means). does that mean *we* are equals? no. you have dexterity beyond me. you have the ability to learn and do whatever you put your efforts into and set your sights on. but please, realize you can learn a lot just by paying attention to others efforts. Harry44 managed to get wp off. then wp kicked it out. very early in the life of mofo it was known that wp would kick out changes. go back further to the Droid Maxx and Moto X, and this WP phenomenon existed. *someone* figured out how to bypass it. that same person teamed up with one other managed to BL unlock a buttload of them. You should know that everyone starts somewhere. But if you want to be a lawyer, no matter how badly you want it, you must still learn the laws that ate always going to impact your cases and efforts.

Drive and perseverence are two of the required materials. History is also relavent, dude. Someone might get lucky one day, but your odds of moving forward are better if you know what path to take, what roads are washed out, and what paths no one has dared to conceive.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
[MENTION=3836686]kitcostantino[/MENTION] your one of the people who have pushed me to keep going I agree that this is not a race between Jcase and I there are somethings that seem to work and yeah its all about the want to learn and I get Jcase has more knowledge guys I get that sunshine has its place but as do others everyone now I can't say why Jcase does what he does credibility or to help or to pass time but just everyone understand and look ok I've been a dev for a couple years mainly with java tho ive done alot with computers I learn constantly I've been fixing Androids for years and I'm talking about 4-5 years along with Linux use has been my everyday OS for almost 6 years so I may not completely understand how hacking the Root works as much as Jcase but I've put countless hours already I've came to far to stop and who knows maybe you guys can look and see that I'm not doing this for fame on XDA a crap load of credibility I'm simply trying to do what we've been waiting on now if Jcase gets it great but doesn't mean I'm looking for much of anything except for the Root of this device so yes I'm a novice on this specific thing but everyone started with no experience so kitcostantino is right we shouldnt be going at each other I've said that from the beginning enough chat for me tho I gotta get back to work on this phone

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mikelikesbikes:
I'll gladly take "shiftyroot" or whatever you decide to call it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Glad to hear man thanks

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Qutayba Khader:
thank you again many .. thanks for all your work:good:

by the way , can i record phone calls using your root method .... that's the most important thing to me
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
This guy is probably full of crap... I'll wait for jcase
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
You can do as you wish man I hope the waiting works out :)just saying anyone who wants to keep saying crap like this please just expect a dickish response from me I don't really care what you all think so you can keep you asshat comments to yourself thanks USE IT OR DONT ONCE ITS OUT I DONT GIVE A DAMN IM JUST HELPING THE COMMUNITY so understand it or don't

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] supermatt9:
Thanks for the super helpful comment. I'm glad we have people like you in this thread to contribute in such a positive manner.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
I'm going to guess that was full of sarcasm xD

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] supermatt9:
Exactly. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to what you come up with!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Thanks man I'm glad to see I have support here

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PILLMUZIK3600:
Well here's an idea. If u have a problem with my opinion take it up with my amendment and constitutional rights... Freedom of speech.. U enjoy that..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
Why would he take it up with your amendment and constitutional rights?!?! He has the right to voice his opinion just as much as you have the right to voice your opinion! If he has a problem with your opinion he has the right to say so! ??
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
You know opinions are like assholes everyone has one but doesn't mean you have to be an asshat so ill use my 1st amendment right to tell you stfu look allow me introduce myself I'm shifty and quite frankly idgaf I turn caffeine into code so there will be a root if you don't want to use it then don't be a whiner about how I'm full of crap BC I'm not going to get butthurt about your opinion so don't flatter yourself with your "rights"

And even more so this is my thread even says up there shifty's so you got a problem take it up with someone who cares :D

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] mrkhigh:
This is a privately owned forum. You have no rights here. Admin has rights, that's it. This isn't a democracy.. I'll never understand why people think they have rights they do not have...

As for whether you're correct or not, is another case.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Yet no one was talking about admins or administrative rights so privately owned fourm or not wasn't even about admins users have rights as well they are obviously slimed down (I've owned and managed several forums) weather or not the admins care is up to them

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sonjohn1:
Shifty, you gotta stop taking the bait. Show these folks that you can come up with a root for the DROID Turbo and that will shut them up. I'm starting to think that some of the devs for hire are threatened by this whole topic. In any case, stay on task and stay on topic. Better for everyone, especially the ones rooting for you. Of which I am one!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Thanks man I see your point

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ganggreen30:
You do have support bud it's just so hard to grasp the fact that you'll be able to pull it off but I'm rooting for you ?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jcase:
Isn't my best hour? I sat with a beginner for about an hour helping him. He was not being truthful here, which does not help development, it hinders it. I would have had no problem working with or assisting him more than I did, however I can't do so when a person isn't being honest about what they have, and what they know. I've seen this dozens of times on XDA.

Try working with someone claiming to be an electrician to build a house, tell me how far that goes when the electrician turns out just to be someone who knows how to make RJ45 cables.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aneeshmbabu:
Ooops now I'm sure no one can root and unlock BL .. [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] or [MENTION=4310761]Shiftydogit[/MENTION] lets drop the dream ..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Dude don't worry I'm not dropping anything

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] aneeshmbabu:
[MENTION=4310761]Shiftydogit[/MENTION] glad to hear .. Whether it success or failure

We always with u .. I have confidence

. But pls try to avoid any e-fight here specially with [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION]
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
It's OK he's mad but nonetheless I'll keep working on it regardless

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
True but Jcase says he has a working attack against the turbos BL. An unlocked BL is much more valuable than root.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Yeah I doubt he's the only only working on BL unlock nonetheless it isn't unlocked so I think you get my point

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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cadenmiller60:
I guess that's true too. Either way, I wish you the best of luck for getting this phone rooted shifty! Keep on trying no matter what anyone says! Best of luck shifty.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] RLShiftyDoggit:
Penalty of phones don't have BL unlock so I'd say people care more about root don't get me wrong I'd love to have BL unlock as id love to try out Ubuntu touch idk if its any good but you know UBUNTU bro xd my logic on it

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