yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
With regards to VoIP, I have a question for WM6 experts.

What has always bothered me of Windows Mobile 5 (and earlier) in comparison to Symbian phones is the implementation of WiFi. What I mean is that in Symbian you can create various access points, and they can be GPRS/3G or WiFi with no difference in usage. Hence, an email program or any other program can be configured to use a WiFi access point, or a 3G access point, all automatically. And in many cases, apps can try WiFi first and then go with 3G if that fails.

With WM on the other hand, it always comes to having to switch WiFi on "MANUALLY", and the really irritating thing is that WiFi always switches itself off when the device goes in standby. By doing so, email checks will automatically use 3G (as WiFi won't be ready), and VoIP use is impossible, as WiFi is disconnected when the phone goes in standby, hence it cannot receive calls.

On Nokia smartphones, on the other hand, VoIP is left always on (using WiFi). And the interesting thing is that a Nokia phone can have VoIP active on WiFi for the whole day, and still be very good on battery levels at the end of the day. While with WM devices, WiFi normally drains the battery after an hour or two.

Now the question is: has all this changed with WM6? Meaning, can WiFi work in standby, and can Outlook Mobile perform email checks using WiFi (waking up from standby)? And can the device automatically try your WiFi access point, and then fall back to 3G if that is missing?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

You set the Wi-Fi to always ON. It is set to turn off by default to save power.

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
Thanks Phil, that is nice to know.

What I am interested to know, though, is also if the WiFi connection gets turned on and off automatically as needed, as in all Symbian smartphones.

Meaning, when the phone needs to check emails (like every 30 min for example), it will automatically switch on WiFi, check emails, and then turn it off, all while in my pocket. What really annoys me of Windows Mobile (ver. 5 and earlier) is that the use of WiFi always implies a manual switch on, which makes it very impractical to use.

On top of that, can WM6 automatically check WiFi coverage, and if that is missing, connect to 3G/GPRS, all automatically like all Nokia/Symbian devices? I have read posts about the G900 being able to do so, apparently, but I would like to know if this is a new feature of WM6.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eva_d:
Unfortunately WM6 does not bring any difference in terms of WiFi connection. You still need to switch it on manually, I'm afraid. :(

Actually, I've been using Nokia E61 for a while now, and I must admit I have underestimated Symbian platform before. It still has some glitches and WM seems to be a little bit better in overall, but some bits are still much better in Symbian. WiFi/GPRS/3G connectivity (and battery life while on WiFi!) seems to be one of that bits.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...

I am also surprised that there is apparently no third party software yet which can manage connections in a Symbian-like fashion, automatically trying Wifi and fall back to 3G in case of no WiFi. It sounds something totally obvious to me... Or is it just me?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] eva_d:
This is true, actually. I suspect integrated VoIP application is not in quite 'final' stage of development, and that's why we cannot find it in official WM6 releases. Possible reasons for that might be also lousy WiFi implementation and connection management, and once this is improved, VoIP might get go-ahead for commercial use.

WiFi adapters in HTC devices (at least in Wizard and Hermes, which I've got) have also poor signal quality/reception. I experience WiFi connection drops while being in the room just one wall away from my home wireless router, and where I have pretty strong connection on laptop and Nokia E61 phone! My first palmtop ever, which was HP iPaq rx3715 had damn good WiFi signal strength. It was really really great! Obviously HTC cannot cope with that issue properly. :(

Well, as I said - some things are much better done in S60 platform, but some others in WM. It could be good to have connection management improved in WM, but I don't suppose it will happen anytime soon. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

In order for VoIP to work for receiving calls the WiFi needs to be on continuously in order to act as a server for inbound connections.

You can't have Wi-Fi on and the PDA off (or in standby) as Wi-Fi needs a functioning CPU and operating system to respond to packets as they arrive, it also needs the OS for housekeeping tasks such as encryption and polling the base station to keep the air link live.

Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running). SmartPhones (ones without touch screen) don't ever turn off (no standby mode) and remain fully powered up, it's only PDA's that standby, the reason for this is they are generally more powerful and allow you to install your own applications. An application that animates a weather symbol on the Today page could make the battery go flat very very quickly by keeping the CPU busy. A PDA uses standby to ensure no application can drain the power like that, and that they aren't expected to be quite as responsive as a normal phone, i.e. an incoming call needs to wake the device first so it may take a few seconds longer to ring.

If you get lots of calls and text messages on your Windows Mobile PDA it may actually use less power leaving the device on rather than allowing it to standby, this is because it takes quite a few CPU cycles to wake the phone up and make itself functional after standby so that in itself uses some power.

Lots of interesting info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/08/16/702833.aspx

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
Hi Phil,

What you say is only partially correct. Symbian smartphones do not go on standby, this is true, but in terms of operating system, power, and third-party applications they are no "weaker" than WM devices. And UIQ-based Symbian phones also provide touch screen functionality with an interface and capability which is pretty much the same as Windows Mobile. For example, a heavy application like TomTom Navigator 6 runs equally well, and with exactly the same speed and features on WM and Symbian devices.

CPU's on Symbian devices go anywhere between 200Mhz and 330Mhz, and do not need standby to save power. And a Nokia E61 can keep WiFi on (with VoIP in "always on" and listening) for two days with no interruption, and the battery won't be flat yet. So there is something wrong in the WiFi management of WM devices.

Also, Symbian devices allocate CPU cycles based on software demand, so the concept of putting the device in standby to save power is not at all necessary with current chips.

Another point that you make is that according to you the CPU on a Windows Mobile stops in standby. This is untrue. In standby mode background applications still run. For example, try any Instant Messaging application on Windows Mobile, and it will run also in standby (with the screen completely off). Same happens with push email solutions. Even Activesync runs in standby mode (screen completely off) during synchronisation with an Exchange server. I have experimented this many times with my Tytn.

The end result is that on WM devices, the only connection that "always on" applications like VoIP and push-email can use is 3G/GPRS, as they cannot automatically check WiFi coverage as needed. Which is something that Symbian devices do since ages. In fact, on Symbian devices you cannot switch WiFi on manually, it gets switched on by applications as needed, without manual intervention. And when WiFi is not available, then they go with 3G/GPRS.

As I said before, WiFi management and power management (I still don't understand why WiFi drags the battery so quickly on all WM devices) are the two things that really put me off with Windows Mobile devices, and frankly I do not understand why such a fundamental matter has not yet been addresses by Microsoft, HTC and the other vendors...

Or is the Qualcomm chip found in the Kaiser the solution?!?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

You need to read the article I posted a link to.

Windows Mobile 6 is working exactly the same as Symbian with one exception, on PDA devices there is an additional power saving mode, that is standby, where the CPU clock stops, nothing is running. Applications have no idea they have been suspended, time just stops. Yes there is a separate chip that is still on running the radio for the mobile phone part, and that can bring the device out of standby to service a call when needed, but the main CPU and OS is stopped dead.

For Windows Mobile Professional 6 which is only used on PDA type smartphones (i.e. have touch screen, Windows SmartPhones use Windows Mobile Standard 6), standby mode is the default power saving method, on Windows Mobile Smartphones, they don't use standby and are considered always on, so Windows Mobile Smartphones work very similar to the Symbian OS you describe. It's just Windows PDAs have the advantage of an extra powersaving mode.

Windows PDA devices don't always uses standby as they have an "unattended mode" where a program can tell the device it needs to constantly run, so while the device looks completely off, it will not be in standby in that instance. Also timers can be set to wake the device every few minutes, for example collecting email, where it will bring itself out of standby, do what it needs to do then back into standby again, but to the user the device will appear to be completely off.

I haven't said there is anything wrong with Windows Mobile power management. They can remain on like a Symbian device with Wi-Fi working if you set it that way and will run for as long as the battery will allow, that maybe a few hours or a few days, it depends what other software you have running and how much RAM needs to be kept alive.

If want to receive VoIP anytime over a Wi-Fi link then the Wi-Fi part has to remain constantly on, that's the rule of networking in order to maintain an open link and keep it's same IP address. A Wi-Fi device can't magically sense a call is coming in then turn on.

These devices are always trade offs, sounds to me like you want a Symbian device and not a Windows Mobile device, I don't think anyone has a problem with that and it's lucky we have a choice of what to go for.:)

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
How practical is this? How do you get key lock functionality so that when the phone is in your pocket there are no unwanted touchscreen/key presses?

And can a WM device really cope with staying on (backlight off) from morning to evening with WiFi on plus the usual daily activity (calls, SMS, email, etc.)?

From my experience with Magician and Tytn this is totally impossible, unless the Qualcomm chip finally takes WM close to the performance of Nokia/SE devices.

One answer could be the fact that Symbian is a real-time operating system, meaning that it is capable of running on single-chip devices, while WM probably isn't.

I just can't believe that no 3rd-party software is there to solve such an obvious issue on WM devices...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
I do have a Nokia E61i, in fact, and I have had an HTC Tytn until a short while ago. And I am considering the new Kaiser now. So, as you can see, I am quite neutral. In fact, I keep switching between WM and Symbian about every three months!

But I was hoping that WM6 would finally solve this connectivity issue with WM devices, as I have become increasingly dependent upon VoIP, and therefore a good management of WiFI/3G connections is a key feature for me. The only reason why I got into this thread is that I was trying to find out if WM6 had finally implemented WiFi in a usable way (meaning without requiring me to manually switch it on).

The doubt came to me as I read some threads about the Toshiba G900, and someone was suggesting that the G900 was connecting to WiFi first and then to 3G automatically. I think someone mentioned an option in the 3G connections settings for this. It was a bit "between the lines", but I was hoping that WM6 had finally implemented this...

Thanks anyway for your time and for the good and informative dialogue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] PhilipL:
Hi

There is a key lock.

I first got a Toshiba G900 and due to a now well publicised bug it would often refuse to come out of standby! A popular work around was to disable standby so it was on constantly and it worked fine. Providing you have well behaving applications it will still throttle right down to save power when it's not being used.

Don't forget that Windows SmartPhone devices are "always on" and don't seem to have a problem.

Windows Mobile is based on Windows CE, this is a real time embedded operating system used in a wide range of devices from barcode scanners, point of sale and up to ATMs.

There are programs out there that allow you to tweak various settings regarding Wi-Fi and the priority it's given over other connections. For many people it's not an issue anyway, if it is, the Kaiser will be a popular device and the developer community for Windows Mobile is very large and solutions will appear.

Regards

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jyavenard:
My Nokia E70 (some software as the E61), only connected to wifi when the screen was on. Or only when trying to connect to the Internet.

It never kept the wifi on all the time ...

battery life was much better than on the kaiser though, I'd be happy if it lasted more than a day with wifi on
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sirox:
I am sorry, but I don't think you have actually ever used a Nokia E70. There is no screen-off mode on Nokia smartphones. And you can't switch on or off the WiFi radio, it can only be switched on automatically by an application that needs it. And it will be shut off ONLY when no application needs it anylonger.

Anyway, if you really have a Nokia E70, just charge it fully, then configure a VoIP account (linked to your WiFi router) using the internal VoIP facility, and leave it on like that. It will make and receive VoIP calls of course, and it will stay like this for well into the second day. And WiFi will be always on of course, otherwise it would not receive VoIP calls...

And if you take a Nokia E61i, it stays with WiFi on and VoIP activated for at least three full days, with no pause!

So there is something wrong in the WiFi power management of all WinMo devices...

And in any case, I have yet to see a reliable way of using SIP-based VoIP on a WinMo device. Reliable means: conversation quality like a normal call, stays in my pocket like any other cell phone, and rings when my VoIP line gets called, and can do this for at least a full day without draining batteries... So far, I have only seen this type of functionality on Nokia smartphones.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Falk:
The Kaiser is one of the supported devices in AGEphone Mobile 2.5 Speakerphone Edition!
[XDA Assist] asifreza111:
I want to flash a International ROM on Lumia 640 XL Dual Sim instead of Indian ROM , is that possible ? :confused: :confused: :confused:
[XDA Assist] Primokorn:
Hi

Try posting your question here: Windows Phone 8 Development and Hacking > Windows Phone 8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Experts of your device may be able to help.

Good luck.
[Xperia Z3 Compact Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peraviola:
Hi everyone

I have a Z3c (D5803 - android 5.1.1 - 23.4.A.1.232). I live in Italy and I have an Italian provider (Vodafone IT). Last Saturday I went in Switzerland for about 3 hours, so I decided to cut off data connection along with data roaming connection. After a couple of hours I entered Swiss territory I received an SMS from Vodafone IT telling me I had a data connection so (I have "smart passport" offer that provide me 50 mins of call, 50 SMS and 500Mb of internet for 3,00 €/day only if used) they charged me 3,00 €.

How could be possible? I used my phone only to took 3 or 4 pics, and no more! No calls, no SMS, nothing...

Someone with same bug?

Alberto
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] haninatoon:
Download V4

​
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] haninatoon:
V4 available now

​
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] haninatoon:
Final Edition

​
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] RomanLeonH501:
very good
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] Caloca:
Thaks

Enviado desde mi HUAWEI MT7-L09 mediante Tapatalk
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] mmx1u:
very veeeeeeeeery nice

ty
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] jaimeguate:
Link dosnt works

Enviado desde mi HUAWEI MT7-L09 mediante Tapatalk
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] Serch1:
Great job! ?

Enviado desde mi JAZZ
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] Werkly:
Familial_Badge.hwt

Please "convert" EMUI 3.0!

Thank you!
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] XDADEVX:
why copying crapple iphone with those dots ?
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] PeKeT:
[MENTION=2608049]haninatoon[/MENTION] beautiful theme, only one thing fails the notification bar is white ..., you could change color to another color?
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] --__-- Reeyan --__--:
Links are removed what now?
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] Caloca:
Link please.

Enviado desde mi HUAWEI MT7-L09 mediante Tapatalk
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] nawaf_faleh1987:
thank

M@te8_With Love
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] amenlo9:
file no longer available from the link. anyone mind to upload again? thanks
[Ascend Mate 7 Themes and Apps] wifipeter:
cool
[LG G2 Mini] lerys:
I thought share this: imgur.com/VQmEDR1

Zone: EU - Romania
[LG G2 Mini] GuestK00123:
And you are sure that this is a normal EU version? I got a V20d for my T-Mobile Germany branding.

Envoyé de mon LG-D620 en utilisant Tapatalk
[LG G2 Mini] deviato:
I received the same from Italy - Unbranded. This is the link:

http://csmgdl.lgmobile.com/dn/downloader.dev?fileKey=FW8FUQY232DXAUZ20A33V33/D620r20d_00.kdz
[LG G2 Mini] Diaze:
It s still ****..dont bother update
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] danieldp1990:
Ok I finally got my galaxy alpha sm 850m with exynos 5 octa 5430.

I wanted to know with wich OS does the phone performs better.. with lollipop or kitkat and how the camera on both OS performs. wich takes the better pictures, battery performance etc. thank! :highfive:
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] UniversalKID:
Android M. SOON.
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] danieldp1990:
When?
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] UniversalKID:
January 2016.
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] ipred:
For me , kitkat performs better but i have tried only the french lollipop ( the 1st lollipop that came out). Choppy unlock , slower slide up-down on contacts, worse gps signal, a little smaller battery life, increase of the temperature, 1,2GB ram cosnumption ( i have 850MB average on kitkat ).

I don't know if the latest lollipop versions ( russian SER for example) have fixed all the bugs of the french version.
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] UniversalKID:
Try the nordic firmware.
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] anderledani:
Which nordic peforms the best? I totally fed up with Android OS wakelock and mobile data active bug. Should I downgrade to 4.4.4 or...?
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] UniversalKID:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3219996
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] danieldp1990:
I got the SM G850M can I instal any other firmware defferent from 850M?
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] ipred:
Question for any of you who has installed 5.0.2 with changelist 5614954 ( Nordic, Greek, Russian etc) and use Nova as launcher :

Do you have big redraw when clearing all recent apps?

A user here in XDA reported this ( i don't know if he uses earlier version of 5.0.2 ) and i would like to have more feedback on this matter because i use Nova without having such a problem on kitkat.
[Samsung Galaxy Alpha] danieldp1990:
No redraw for me, lollipop is butter smooth... my model is SM G850M
[Ascend Mate 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MagierAnwalt:
I have again a problem ._. I have flashed the b145 (was on the b324 and did it with the roll back) then i wanted to flash it back but it didnt work so i installed the erykine rom and flashed the stock recovery again. On this way i cam to the 5.1.1 update the first time. But now i get a bootloop. It just shows me the Huawei icon and then it reboot. I can still enter in fastboot and twrp recovery but not in stock recovery.. any idea how the fix it?
[Ascend Mate 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] papoose515:
have the same problem i want it fix
[Nexus 6  General] VeryCoolAlan:
[YOUTUBE]E-5WTLD4qlU[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 6  General] VeryCoolAlan:
Who voted this one star? LOL
[Nexus 6  General] scryan:
Its been out over a week easily, how is this a video? Anyone who wants it already has it.
[Nexus 6  General] yellowman82:
Even M previews video been out for awhile which honestly isn't much of a difference from this video.
[Android Studio] Ehrmantraut:
Hello!

i need some help, i am creating a Grid View with this java code:

MainActivity

Product

Grid Adapter

It work fine except for one thing, the app only shows the last product of the java code (Pizza romana)four times :eek:

I dont know why my app do this, can somebody help me??

Thank you! :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] painfree:
I returned to Amazon a Nexus 6 that was getting very warm in basic usage so much so that it was very uncomfortable using the phone without the speaker as it was too warm on my ear.. I now have new Nexus 6 and it is not anywhere as warm as the previous one (29 days older) is. Is there that much of a difference between Nexus 6 Models ? Immediately I noticed on charging the new one did not get near as warm as the old one and even running the Antutu benchmark it only got to 32C ??? I cannot think of any configuration difference as both were bootloader unlocked and had the identical apps installed?

I guess my question would be.. Is the QA of these phones that different such that my experience would occur or is it strictly a unique experience on my part?
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] benpage:
I have several brand new 16gb 2013 Nexus 7s that I need to set up for a project at work. I created a new Google account and updated both to Marshmallow according to the instructions here:

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images?hl=en

I've done two so far and both are exhibiting the same strange behavior. The Play Store isn't listing the installed apps or automatically updating them. Under My Apps, both INSTALLED and ALL are completely empty.

Things I've tried:

Clearing Storage On Play Store

Reboot

Factory Wipe

I searched for gmail and found that it needed an update. I manually installed the update and now it's in the list.

Made a second new Google Account

I added new user and set up my personal Google Account in the device and it recognized all of the system and immediately started updating them.

I don't want to have to install my personal account on all of these tablets. Do anyone have any idea what could be wrong with my new Google accounts and how I could fix them?