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[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
I expect that the final firmware for the camera will be bundled in with it. That would match past updates.
[One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rishvan:
Hi All,

I want to S-OFF my One M7 Dual SIM. Are there any safest methods / tools now to do it ?

Below is my device's description

C:\fastboot>fastboot getvar all

(bootloader) version: 0.5

(bootloader) version-bootloader: 2.49.0000

(bootloader) version-baseband: N/A

(bootloader) version-cpld: None

(bootloader) version-microp: None

(bootloader) version-main: 7.17.707.15

(bootloader) version-misc: PVT SHIP S-ON

(bootloader) serialno: ****************

(bootloader) imei: ***************

(bootloader) meid: ***************

(bootloader) product: m7cdwg

(bootloader) platform: HBOOT-8064

(bootloader) modelid: PN0751000

(bootloader) cidnum: HTC__044

(bootloader) battery-status: good

(bootloader) battery-voltage: 4295mV

(bootloader) partition-layout: Generic

(bootloader) security: on

(bootloader) build-mode: SHIP

(bootloader) boot-mode: FASTBOOT

(bootloader) commitno-bootloader: dirty-d0e3b226

(bootloader) hbootpreupdate: 11

(bootloader) gencheckpt: 0

Any help will be very appreciated :)
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calinormy:
Can someone post impressions about headphone audio quality of the V10? From an audiophile perspective. Thanks
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jedthehumanoid:
The audiophile world sounds pumped:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-v10-new-ess-chipped-flagship-android-phone-from-lg
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calinormy:
I was already watching the tread, I was trying to get new info from owners. Thanks anyway
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeGon:
https://instagram.com/p/8twmu1S51G/
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeGon:
This guy talks about its audio around 5:00

https://youtu.be/ZMsxAKUM53M
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flashmp3:
Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nitemare3219:
What other DAC would it use?...
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ErebusRaze:
The standard DAC in the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC is mediocre at best. I use a pair of Sennheiser Momentums to test sound quality between my devices as they're easily driven by cellular audio DACs. Comparing the Note 4's Snapdragon 805 DAC to the Wolfson chip in the Exynos 7420 in the Note 5 is like night and day. Not only is it much louder, the details are far cleaner with highs, mids and lows better represented. Even with the d*mn good Sound Alive equalizer in the Note 4, the audio is recessed juxtaposed to the Wolfson chip. Without having tested the Vivo Hi-Fi DAC, I'd still have to give the overall win to HTC in terms of headphone audio quality. They never revealed the DAC, but it's leagues better than the S5 which had the same chipset.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Why is it only limited the the stock player? I'm confused. I thought it was for all sound output
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amd4life:
Hmm that's pretty dissapoinying if what the reviewer says about the dac is correct. The m9 is great, but I would assume a significant upgrade with the sabre dac.

Wonder why only the standard music app can access the dac?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Ya. This would be sad
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flashmp3:
I guess the good sound quality comes from a good quality AMP that goes along with the DAC......A good amp allow headphones to give their full potential
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] partymola:
That is not right. I have listened the 24-bit tune that comes with the phone using both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music and both sound exactly alike.

Also, when you are using Hi-Fi, and icon shows in the top bar, and it happens with both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music.

I think flashmp3 should really clarify his sources, because based on evidence, what he says is just not true.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jedthehumanoid:
It's talked about in this audio review on Head-Fi:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/785335/lg-v10-hi-fi-audio-quality-review-on-serious-audio-performance

The op of that thread verified that the additional DAC is only functional on the LG app.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flashmp3:
Exactly........that was my source. I should have precised it.......i thought that people talking in this thread here were the same talking in the LG V10 thread on Head-Fi as both are concerned by audio quality
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] partymola:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Y19PZnhLUnFoXzlHb0dDRU15S1J3U19KbXlfa3pR

Listening to Google Play Music, I still see the Hi-Fi icon. In fact, it lights on right after you connect headphones, no matter if you are playing any music or not.

The sound amplification does not change no matter which player I use: Stock or Play Music. I have tested it listening with some pretty good headphones, and using the 24-bit sample provided by LG.

The only way I can think neither of us is wrong, is that the latest update (1 week ago) has enabled it for all the players and the review on the Hi-Fi forum was on the firmware before the update?

I have a F600S, but I do not think the exact phone variant will make a difference on this.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaddyWhale:
From reading some of the Head Fi discussion, I'm not sure that the OP "verified" that the additional dac only works with the LG app. The poster seems to believe strongly that it's the case. There's no concrete evidence given, in my opinion.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jedthehumanoid:
That would make my day if it is patched. I want this phone so bad.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blubyu87gt:
I have been using the V10 for the better part of two days. It sounds damn good. Mostly of my music is 24/96 and 16/44 FLAC files

I typically run my note 4 with an Apex Glacier. This will definitely be replacing that setup.

I didn't honestly use anything other then the stock music player. It sounds amazing as is so didn't bother trying anything else. I can load PowerAmp in the morning and check though.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Please do
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blubyu87gt:
Done:

I didn't have my memory card on me to use anything besides the demo song.

This is my experience as well using PowerAmp. I didn't notice any change in audio quality.

So it looks like it will work with 3rd party apps and such. Just as long as the headphones are hooked up.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nitemare3219:
Can't wait to try it out with my Westone W30 IEMs and AKG K812!
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
So, can anyone confirm with 100% certainty that the ESS dac and amp are still being used when using apps like Google Play or Spotify? If you toggle "HiFi mode" (or whatever it's called) off while using such apps is there a very noticeable change in sound quality and power output? If the ESS dac and app are actually being used, then when toggling it on and off there should be a noticeable difference in both the quality of sound and the power output with harder to drive headphones.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Le sigh....
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
What's that mean?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
This is good news. I am happy.

Dankashen
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chaos2092:
This is the best way to test. If there's a difference in sound quality using something like Poweramp when just toggling the DAC on and off, this can lay that to rest.

This phone will be back on my radar if it can be used with Poweramp, being locked to the stock music player was what initially made me completely reconsider getting something else as my next phone.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
You can le sigh all you want but there was an in depth audio review on head-fi where the guy was very clear that the DAC/AMP only works with the stock amp; so, there's nothing wrong with wanting a little more verification.

But I'd also like to thank blubyu87gt and partymola for their feedback. Hopefully they've proved the head-fi review was wrong.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jedthehumanoid:
I could be wrong but I think the sigh was in regards to the conversation starting to go in circles. :p

As for the the topic itself, I'm personally waiting to see the phone in a store and test myself. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here or on head-fi, I just need to know the final answer. :rolleyes:

I think its a reasonable conclusion that the dac should work on any app becasue the on/off toggle for the hi-fi is in the main UI. If it was only intended to work in the LG app, one would think the toggle would be in that app....

My hope is it was a bug in the early release of the software.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
That's a good point. If it was only intended for the stock app you'd think all of the settings would be in that app.

Also, the marketing material would suggest that it works universally as they said low-fi streaming would sound hi-fi. Although they could have been talking about EQing.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
Any updates? Did anyone get one today?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StaticMoot:
I can confirm HiFi working with Slacker, Pandora, and Google Play Music as well as Play Movies. AT&T model here.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
So, if you toggle it on and off while using these apps you can hear a difference? You're not just seeing an icon appear and disappear and think it's working, correct?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Just that this thread addresses the very same inquiries to the word.

It was just redundant. You can chill

Dankashen!

This is excellent
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
Nobody has actually said that they noticed a difference with it on and off. There is a guy on head fi that claims that the icon will still show up, but the sound is not the same in other apps. I just want to confirm whether or not the hifi dac works with all headphone audio, not just with the stock music player app. I don't want to spend the money in the phone if it isn't going to fullfil my audio desires. Audio is very high on my list when it comes to smartphones.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
lol relax. I didn't mean to offend you. and no, it wasn't redundant.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StaticMoot:
I can hear a difference. The sound sounds really great either way, but with the HiFi toggled on, the bass sounds a little bit richer and fuller. It's subtle on Slacker radio. Tested using the song Pistolero by Juno Reactor. It's far more noticeable using the stock music app on the same song however. That said, streaming services still sound spectacular on this phone. Far better than the same music on my note edge or nexus 6 2014.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
I have an HTC One M9 which I think already sounds great with headphones, but the ESS audio chips in the V10 are supposed to be true audiophile components. I'm gonna have to take a ride to my local Verizon store and see how up close and personal they will let me get with one. I'll bring a pair of IEM's and full size headphones and see if they have a demo I can try.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StaticMoot:
I will say, I'm not an audiophile. I just like my music to sound rich and full. So take what I say with a grain of salt. You may try it and find my analysis pedestrian. Just going from what I hear using my JBL ear buds I got with a different phone.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
I'll have to try to try one tomorrow. I wouldn't say I'm an audiophile, just an audio enthusiast. A real audiophile wouldn't be using a smartphone as their source. I just want the best sound I can get from a smartphone for around the house and on the go.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calinormy:
I read that with ESS the power consuption of battery is "spectacular" like 1% per minute or so. Could someone try with the same app - spotify or poweramp to verify this? If the exernal dac/amp is used the power consuption must be greater. So..10 minutes at the same volume with HiFi on 10 minutes with internal snapdragon on. This will prove if other app are really using ESS dac...
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StaticMoot:
I briefly had a ZTE axon which I have to say had spectacular stock audio quality. The lack of expandable storage and no decent case to protect the fragile phone led me to sell it. This phone sounds as good. If we can get riot and I can get viper on this thing, I'm seeing this becoming my perfect phone.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] partymola:
Same here. The difference is not like night and day, but subtle.

Also, I use a pair QC25, so I guess it somehow hides the stuff done by the V10 DAC because the headphones have their own sound processing.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
It may only be noticeable with harder to drive headphones. The ESS sabre amp inside is supposedly quite powerful, but won't really be noticed with normal everyday headphones. I don't expect the DAC to be a night and day difference for 99 percent of listeners.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
Exactly. Most humans I see in the wild have apple earbuds.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
Got a Verizon variant. Took me a little while to find a place that had one. Nobody even knew anything about it. The store I bought it from had 2 in stock, I called to ask. When I got there they at first tried telling me it hadn't launched yet. The marketing and training on this phone seems to be non existent.

Anyway, in terms of audio it works, but it's complicated. So far I've found the hifi DAC and amp definitely work with the stock music player with the formats it supports, will also work with music off the SD card with the Google Play app, and works 100% with Tidal whether streaming or listening to downloaded files. When it works, listening and toggling the hifi button on and off the volume will drop out for half a second and then switch DAC/Amps or whatever. When it doesn't work, you can still press the hifi button, it'll turn green, but the audio doesn't drop out for a half second and switch DAC/Amps. When using easy to drive headphones like most in ear monitors and most normal everyday easy to drive portable headphones even when it works it's very subtle. Plug in a pair of harder to power headphones like an AKG Q701 and it'll be very obvious. When turning it off, the volume drops in half, when turning it back on the volume easily doubles and sounds noticeably better for sure.

So it works, and it doesn't. I'm wondering if it's something that has to be enabled by each individual app maker in their code, or whether LG has a deal with Tidal. I'm not sure, but it works for music on an SD card on the stock player, and the Google Play app, and it works with Tidal. I'll be cancelling my Google Play subscription and I started a trial with Tidal.

Just to add and clarify:

-Tested with Google Play streaming and with downloaded songs, no good

-Tested with Spotify streaming and with downloaded songs, no good

-Tried Neutron music player with songs on my SD card, no good
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrior1975:
I'm not that impressed. I used fostex th900 headphones and asg g2 IEMS... I was expecting much better. I still need a standalone DAP. I don't think this is any better than my Note 4 rooted with V4A... Going to listen more later on.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
Are you 100% sure you're using an app that supports the hifi dac and amp? It sounds great with my AKG Q701. Listening at 35 out of 75 right now and it's powering my Q701 very well. By ear it's about the same volume as about 73% on the One M9. Its definitely got more power and the dac definitely sounds higher quality.

35 out of 75 would be 47%, so to be at my desired listening level with a headphone like this at 47 to 53 percent is pretty powerful. I listen to iem's at 40 to 47% on the M9. In terms of how it sounds, to me it sounds neutral and very detailed. Bass is strong, treble is clear and sparkly, and the mids fall right in line. I don't see how anyone could expect more.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrior1975:
Stock music app. I was expecting more volume for sure. Granted, it was a brief listen so I need to give it more time.

The eq is terrible on custom. Adjust one band and the volume drops everywhere else.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
I don't know how hard the TH900 is to drive, or how loud you like to listen, but again, this is more powerful than the already powerful HTC One M9.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrior1975:
It's low impedance for a headphone, 25ohm. I prefer to listen loud. I might be jumping the gun, I really didn't listen too long. I do know I wasn't crazy about the eq.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lukelee83:
So, I got my hand on a T-Mobile variant, and I've done a quick testing to see whether or not the HiFi toggle actually works on a 3rd party app. I have found the following :

Google play streaming: no

Google play local: yes

Poweramp: kind of.

For poweramp, it's actually kind of interesting. How I did the testing was playing the same file switching back and forth between the poweramp and the stock app. When in playing the file using the poweramp, the HiFi toggle didn't really do anything. The toggle itself would work, but there is no difference in the sound quality unlike when using the stock app. There was an exception (keep in mind that this was a 5 min. testing)

When I played the file using the stock app while HiFi Toggle on, and pause and switch to the poweramp, the ess dac would still be engaged. I know this because when I hit the toggle again, the volume will go down as the dac switches to the Qualcomm one, and the sound quality would go down. When you hit the Toggle again, though, ess doesn't come back on.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JayToTheMo:
Got mine today. I consider my ears to be fairly discerning, to a certain extent. I do various testing at home with what I have to see what combinations sound best. To me, at least. A few pairs of headphones, a decent home audio system and a decent, non-externally amped car system.

I've only had time to test it in my car, but I'm really in tune to the speaker placement and I know what to expect out of the sound. With my Note 3 running Viper and using Spotify on Extreme, I would Max out my phone volume and set my head volume anywhere from 25 (comfortable) to 30 (for the jams). Anywhere past 30 started to get gross sounding. With the V10 set to HI DAC, I can go up to 35 and the sound is still rich and not distorted. That is major for me. I like listening to electronic and wave music and so far for me difference is drastic. But only at those higher levels! The sound may be a tad richer at a lower level, but it definitely needs a proper amount of drive to shine. I have the Monster DNA Pros and I will try those out tomorrow, comparing my Note 3 with Viper FX.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JCred:
As a human, often spotted in the wild, I will testify that Apple earPods are vastly underrated- and the only Apple product that is underpriced. Are they reference? No. Are they a bit warm, with a pseudo-Bose sound signature? Yes (but they don't turn to mud at higher volumes). Do they possess a comfortable, significantly less fatiguing form-factor than properly sealed IEM's, crappy skull candy buds and most super/supra aural cans? Yes. Are my HD 590/650's, DT 770's ideal for being out in the public? Nope. Is being out in the public good for them? Hell no.

Do earPods cost $30? Yep. Does viper's DDC feature offer tangible DSP magic, taming the mildly annoying harshness in the 3kHz-5kHz range... Does VHS+ (setting 2) create a convincingly increased soundstage? Amazingly, yes and yes.

Often lost in translation when rafting portable audio by group-think, are the listening environment and to what extent one wants to isolate a particular suboptimal listening environment. With the earPods, I can listen at low volume without sacrificing awareness of my surrounding or the ability communicate with the people in it- or down everything out at medium-high volume.

So while I do share the head-fi consensus that Bose is terrible, it's because I've owned owned Bose. I've also owned ridiculously overpriced Beats are, but found (1st gen.) studios enjoyable in loud environments. So, yeah. /end rant

What doesn't make sense, is that LG put the effort into sourcing quality audio hardware, requiring reporting audio paths... and didn't think to bundle with a decent set of earbuds.

So, ultimately, I must concede that, if you're implying that most people won't notice what they don't understand... You're right.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
They left the earbuds out probably either for liability reasons, or to help keep the price down. The phone gets ridiculously loud with IEM's so maybe they left them out maybe because it takes the liability out of the equation for them. Or like I said, maybe just to keep the price a few bucks lower. I never use supplied earbuds cause all of the ones I already own will sound better to me anyway. so it doesn't matter to me.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Warrior1975:
I'd imagine that most buying this phone for the ess DAC, more than likely have a nice pair of IEMs. I could be wrong though. Either way, doesn't matter to me, although I was curious.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] augie7107:
Still have my Axon but eyeballing this phone. Would you say it is an improvement over Axon audio reproduction?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StaticMoot:
Hah, Augie, good to see you over here! I'd say the audio is on part with the axon on this phone. At the same time, everything else about it so much better. It feels nicer in the hand and the camera is far better. The axon was an awesome phone, but this has more going for it than just awesome audio. Also, the SD card means you can load up more music to take advantage of the hifi.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nitemare3219:
Had a listen with my Westone W30 IEMs and AKG K812's finally. They drive the AKG K812 just fine, but max volume is not extremely loud (but certainly loud enough). Surprised if this phone can drive a 600-ohm set of cans as advertised? With my W30's, they were pushed very well, but I would like to EQ the treble up a bit as I had on my Note 5. How do I access the EQ? I listen through Google Play and SiriusXM.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jasonb1985:
I'm guessing you didnt have the ess dac and amp actually working. Using Google play were you listening to music from your sd card or streaming or downloaded for offline files? The K812 should be pretty easy to drive being that it's 36 ohm with a sensitivity of 110db. Only certain apps are able to utilize the ess dac and amp, at least at this time.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamor414:
And I doubt Sirius is on that list.

I don't think you can change EQ when the ESS DAC is working right?
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nitemare3219:
Playlists saved to my SD card. The audio was effected with the ESS left/right dB adjustment, so my guess is that it is working. And even when I use the stock music app and the LG .flac file, the volume difference between the Snapdragon and ESS DAC is very minimal, almost unnoticeable.

SiriusXM didn't cut in/out when toggling, so probably not.
[LG V10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CollinFX45:
I've been waiting for Phone Arena and GSM Arena's reviews and PA is out. They rate the output power below the Note 5 and roughly half of the iPhone 6S. I'm now thoroughly confused on so many levels. Is their method useless? They rated even the G4 higher by like 50%!

-Collin-