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[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
It all depends on how the testing is done and because there is no standard we have literally had results from both ends of the spectrum. In one review the guy literally called the battery life of the 6P "magical" :p

EDIT: It should also be mentioned that even with a test like reloading a webpage over and over the color of the webpage could even have an impact on battery as AMOLED can literally turn off parts of the screen that are showing black. You can even find some apps (like the email client app "Nine") that cater to this by offering both a "Dark" theme and a "True Black" toggle so that the majority of your screen is black instead of white
[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
You must live under a rock if you do not know that TouchWiz has vastly improved, you can start by watching any note 5 review. If you need users review :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3195407

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3186013

The note 5 is an absolute beast, i dont know if ppl say touchwiz is bad just because they prefer stock android or else.
[Nexus 6P General] Harboe:
Guys! Stop talking about other phones here and let's keep it focused on the 6P. Cheers.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Not only did I mention that its improved, my wife has an S5. So I know all about TouchWiz. Its a hog (though slightly less so now) and looks like a toddler designed it. Aside from that I agree the Note 5 is a beast!

To be fair the Note 5 is not only used in almost every review to compare against the 6P but for many people those will be the 2 they are deciding between so I dont think that arguing the merits of each is completely off-topic in here
[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
The S5 is cool but runs on 2gb of ram with older hardware. Still capable but i wouldnt judge the new touchwiz on that. On the Note its on another level with that powerful exynos and 4GB of Ram. The cartooney look can be fixed thanks to the theme store. You know, features on top of features. But you cant know about it if you never used a note 5 i guess.
[Nexus 6P General] ilostmypistons:
And how about if we get back to official 6p reviews... Nobody gives a eff about anything other than Nexus 6p,not Notes,not S6 not iphones.
[Nexus 6P General] Renosh:
I am interested in an active development community with lots of ROMS, kernels etc and to always get latest updates fast just to tinker with them. Granted the Samsung phones are great but running 5 apps despite a bunch of RAM isn't my cup of tea. Neither am I interested in smart stay, s pen or other useless features that are a novelty for awhile only to be forgotten. The UI isn't interesting either. People buying the 6P know exactly what they're buying into.

Also Phone Arena is really inconsistent in reviews for the guy's who are taking them seriously. I'd wait for MKBHD and GSMArena or notebookcheck who all provide great reviews that you can trust not some wishy washy guys. Phone Arena redid their battery test some time ago think for a particular phone, can't remember which one cause readers kept complaining and they got wildly different results, I don't trust their methodology.
[Nexus 6P General] dondavis007:
I don't get the iPhone app thing some people say is better. I own an iPhone and intently don't see any big differences. The biggest difference is that iPhone is severely hampered because you have to click a trillion times or shift app just to open a picture in the app yourself want to use :)

But it's a great phone and I couldn't live without the music creation apps. Ok. Music apps are way better on Apple, but thats it.

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[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
Obviously that is your opinion and not a fact. Im pretty sure if we take this conversation in the note forum you will see plenty of folks tell you why the note is a better option over the 6p. I respect your opinion as long as you know its an opinion and not a fact.
[Nexus 6P General] Renosh:
Why would I go to a Note forum when I have zero interest in a Samsung? And worse yet to tell people who are comfortable using their device that AOSP ROMs are better and blah blah. You wanna sing Samsung praises do it in the Note and S6 forum. Beyond simple comparisons of screen technology, camera and battery performance and other comparable metrics, the rest of the stuff you're discussing doesn't belong on this thread. Dealing with things like knox, buggy AOSP ROMs and a company that refuses to share source code is a reality. I've bought numerous Samsung phones and gave up on them.
[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
I accidentally gave you a thank but i dont care about the fact that you prefer aosp, means nothing to me really. If you think aosp is better than great, i like it as well but i prefer features that i find useful. I think i have made my point so ill leave it at that so we can all go back on topic.
[Nexus 6P General] Renosh:
You should realize the same goes for everyone else, no one cares about your preference for Samsung. Go to the Note forum and discuss there with like-minded people. The people visiting this thread are interested in AOSP and the 6P reviews in order to make an informed purchase or to sway them to pull the trigger and make an order
[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
Right. So i would suggest you to be back on topic instead of quoting me still. Youre pushing it without realizing it.
[Nexus 6P General] tranemonk33:
Totally agree...:good::good:
[Nexus 6P General] gekkehenkie11:
Please stop discussing the Note 5 and other samsung phones. People here hate Touchwiz and the lack of Samsung updates, that's why we here. If we'd be interested to hear about how people think that Touchwiz has FINALLY improved, we'd check out the Note 5 forum.
[Nexus 6P General] RohanAJoshi:
Maybe because of graphite is regular / normal color..

So it's fair to distribute them to media.

.

White and silver are much premium..

In India, we got out of stock for aluminium color in 2 mins, but graphite color is still available for pre-order.. From week..

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I wish I could get aluminum also..
[Nexus 6P General] nexus6r3plicant01:
Only on Sprint and t mobile ....vzw and att both have locked bootloaders and can't even be rooted ..... With the lag and the way it handles apps I went back to nexus 6 ... Also Samsung removes lots of stuff like multi- user and such ....
[Nexus 6P General] cbowens:
Reviewers generally don't get to choose the color/size of review models; the company will just choose which model they want as a representation and send it. In this case, google/huawei decided that the 64gb graphite model was the model they'd send out, which is why all the reviews are of it. If it was a reviewer who independently bought the phone, then that would be a different case, but they'd also likely not have it yet as it would be shipping out the same as the rest of ours.
[Nexus 6P General] jajaro:
Greenbot.com review is up. One of the best reviews I've seen. I can't post links. :(
[Nexus 6P General] cbowens:
Here you go:

http://www.greenbot.com/article/2995922/smartphones/nexus-6p-review-this-is-the-way-android-phones-should-be.html
[Nexus 6P General] [hfm]:
Hiding your pictures for brevity. That just looks like a well loved and used phone. I say it looks fine!
[Nexus 6P General] droidguy22:
lost interest on this phone:

Another thing we have to point out is its poor visibility outdoors when the sun is present – it washes out tremendously to the point that it’s unusable unless we shield it. Achieving a maximum luminance of 356 nits, it’s not as potent as the Nexus 5X mark of 487 nits, and nowhere close to the blinding 593 nits reached by the iPhone 6s Plus.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Nexus-6P-Review_id4110
[Nexus 6P General] italia0101:
No idea what to believe with these reviews its so stupid. i read this today ;

"This is simply the best display I’ve ever seen on a Nexus device. It is just as bright and beautiful as the Galaxy Note 5’s"
[Nexus 6P General] droidguy22:
that may be correct when indoors, but Phone arena specifically points out outdoor usability..
[Nexus 6P General] italia0101:
Meh, probably fine for me , heck i'm good with the Nexus 6 screen using the hidden " high brightness " mode that most people don't know about
[Nexus 6P General] jajaro:
They're using the same display as the samsung Note 5 (confirmed). The differences in the tests are due to software settings.
[Nexus 6P General] cbowens:
Yeah, some of these reviews definitely have conflicting results/opinions. I guess it comes down to just trusting the most important review of all: your own. Thats what makes that 2-week return policy so incredible. You basically have a risk free trial period to put it through the testing thats important to YOU.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
You missed the part that probably most applied to him:

"You can also see the Nexus 6P’s display out in broad daylight with the brightness turned all the way up, but make sure to do that before you leave the house."
[Nexus 6P General] brar.arsh:
CNET full review http://www.cnet.com/products/google-nexus-6p/
[Nexus 6P General] Matrix_19:
nexus-6p review

this-is-the-way-android-phones-should-be

http://www.greenbot.com/article/299...this-is-the-way-android-phones-should-be.html
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
I'm a nexus fan, bought every one but the Nexus 6, but I just gotta say the "Nexus Hipsters" are becoming pretty laughable. I'm a nexus purist, blah blah blah. I find it ironic that the vast majority of Nexus users say how useless Samsung, LG, HTC features are, then spend all their time asking devs to implement said useless features in their ROM. It's not 2010, Android doesn't need 25 different ROMs trying to add features to make the OS functional. It's mature now, and the people who claim to be purists flash ROMs that add features to their perfectly pure experience. Comical.
[Nexus 6P General] dondavis007:
Semantics :)

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[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Wow... the first review to say the phone was top heavy. Lots of them specifically mentioned that the phone didnt feel top heavy and was very balanced. I also find it funny that so many reviews compare it to the iPhone 6s+ and then say that the 6P's bezels are too big

EDIT: Also... many reviews seem to put a lot of emphasis on using your table when its laying on a table/desk. Maybe its a phablet thing but I can honestly say I try avoid that situation as much as possible. Do a lot of people use their phones like this?
[Nexus 6P General] brar.arsh:
Wow.. Out of curiosity, just wondering how much time did it take to write this post. I haven't ever written this much even in my exams.
[Nexus 6P General] H0tep:
Well I had S6, 3gb RAM, ***** still stuttered like Porky Pig, and all of the themes add a second to the lag of app launching. So I have to add a skin on top of a skin to make it look someone mature and elegant? Lol Definitely what I expect from a flagship.

Just because TW is improved, doesn't mean it's good by any means. Yes, its more enjoyable this year than last year, but it's not good.

And for those who say 'u don't like TW cuz its not stock'... HTC sense has been near flawless for years. My M7 and wife's M8 were smooth as butter, with an elegant UI designed by adults needing no extra theme.

And that battery tho? The n5x is almost as big as far as juice goes than the Note 5. No reason they couldn't have gotten note4 battery life out of a next gen device
[Nexus 6P General] ozzyager:
[MENTION=4676966]Electricview[/MENTION]: That's exactly what is happening with my Note 4 on Tmo. The other day it decided to take a few pictures upside-down for some reason. It's making me itch for the 6P at this point.
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
If you've never owned a Nexus, do start looking now for apps that will replicate the features of Touch Wiz, and while I've never owned a Samsung phone, I've owned plenty of LG and when I use a Nexus, I need to find apps that replicate the features that are taken for granted, such as smart stay. Nothing like having to set your screen timeout for 10 minutes or whatever so the screen doesn't shut off if you stop looking at it, etc.
[Nexus 6P General] richie.slayer:
Source where this was confirmed??
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
Yeah, if I had to wait 3 seconds for just about anything, I think I'd throw my phone through a wall or something. Its insufferable and super embarrassing to have to wait that long.
[Nexus 6P General] jajaro:
I still cant post links but it was during an interview at google in reedit.com

Copy/paste from the interview:

"Yep, confirmed: Nexus 6P has the latest generation panels from Samsung. One of things we deeply care for is the quality and accuracy of the display through which all of us connect with the stuff we care about. We created a very tight spec (white-point temperature, delta-E variance, color-space accuracy, etc) for the 6P WQHD AMOLED panel, so it was important that we use the most cutting edge panel technology available.:
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
When arguing the differences between 2 smartphones 3 seconds is very relevant. If it wasnt we wouldnt have seen a youtube video of how fast the fingerprint sensor work between all the phones
[Nexus 6P General] XavierD8188:
I would have to agree with [MENTION=4676966]Electricview[/MENTION] a lot to read but he hit the nail on the head. I got the Note 4 on launch day and switched to the Note 5 little under 2 months ago. Samsung phones always have the best specs hands down but the experience get worse over time. Yes TW has some great features but not worth it over the long haul for me at least. My note 4 was great when I first got it. Everything ran smooth but went to crap after the Lollipop update. I went from getting 6 hrs of SOT + 2 days battery life to barely getting 3 hrs and barely making it through the day if I'm lucky. I heard great things about the S6 and S6 edge and everything about TW being lighter so I bit the bullet and got the Note 5 (early upgrade discount helped as well) and to be honest, I can't wait to get rid of it. When I first got it, it was amazing. Now, the things stutters like no other, battery life has been terrible. Absolutely atrocious and honestly, I'd rather have a phone with a better overall experience with specs that aren't as good as the Note 5 vs a phone with the top of the line specs that bogs down over time. Yes I'll miss a couple features from TW but it's just not worth the crap you have to deal with. I know people will say, oh why not root and flash a clean rom.. Unfortunately I can't because i'm on AT&T and their bootloader is locked tighter than a Nuns vagi... You get the idea.. Plus I've done all the tweaks and app disabler pro stuff and it's still just consistently bad over time.. This will be my first Nexus as well and I can't wait.. Plus the Dev community and awesome threads like this make the decision to switch that much easier. (Sorry for the Novel)
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
That isnt confirmation they are using the same screen as the Note 5. Simply that they are using the latest generation panels
[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
See, pll dont wanna stay on topic so i gotta jump back in.

I had the S6 and it flew like a bird. And im the kind of person who look at the glass full instead of half empty, the samsung theme store is fantastic imo.
[Nexus 6P General] bongostl:
I have two different observations on the various reviews that I have read: the first is that if you read the reviews about half of them say the screen is great in about half of them say that it is too dim. My impression is that for many of those complaining that it is too dim, they are not turning off adaptive brightness when they test the brightness level. This can make an enormous difference. The second observation I have about displays in the reviews, is that many of them complain about the AMOLED screen coloring, and haven't bothered to go to developer settings to change it to the more natural coloring.
[Nexus 6P General] Bigal77:
Everything you say at this point is so pro Samsung. We get it. We're still not buying one and i don't think your getting a nexus 6p because you have the perfect phone obviously so let's stay on the subject
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
I mentioned this a while back as well regarding the sRGB mode in developer settings. Very few reviewers are aware of it.

However there are at least 2 reviews that specifically mentioned they turned off adaptive brightness for the tests (they both got 356 nits I think). The one who left it on (presumably) got 337 nits
[Nexus 6P General] Bigal77:
Not true at all

I just think on cloudy day or indoors it's excellent

Phone arena and 2 others confirmed they tried removing that option and had it on, there a difference between them but 356 nits was max on wtv option between the two
[Nexus 6P General] barondebxl:
Of course it is to your eyes. You dont know how this whole conversation started. If you really think about it, im here cause i have some interest in the 6p. But when some of you guys talk about a device without using it, i as someone who actually use the device gotta put that in check. I understand its a nexus forum with many of the purist (i wont use fanboys) but damn yall gotta chill
[Nexus 6P General] jajaro:
You're right. It hasn't been confirmed that both phones have the same screen.
[Nexus 6P General] Bigal77:
I wonder if a software update can change that then

Not a deal breaker by no means but if an update can get this to 500 nits this phone wouldn't have any real cons

Although not likely because nexus 6 was 270 and there was an app to improve it but needed root.... Google never rectified it themselves
[Nexus 6P General] combat goofwing:
Think we need to wait for MKBHD,or Micheal Fisher @ pocket now reviews
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Unfortunately if the brightness is software limited it was likely done for battery reasons. If the screen can go to 500 nits that would be great but then some reviewer would run their battery test at max screen level and then bash the 6P for having terrible battery
[Nexus 6P General] jajaro:
Anyway, I would expect at least a screen WQHD amoled similar to the one that the galaxy S5 has (~442 nits).
[Nexus 6P General] Semantics:
If you are the type of person who can't wait a few seconds for your screen to rotate, your issues are much bigger than which smartphone you choose to buy, and I'd recommend never having kids, because if you can't wait three seconds for your phone to rotate, you have the patience of a three year old and should not be spawning, ever.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
You arent understanding the argument here. I do have a kid btw and I am a very patient person. We are talking about phones that are literally competing for you to buy them. Yes its a very minor frustration but if its NOT an issue on the other device then there is merit to the argument. It has nothing to do with patience but rather one product working better than another for that persons specific needs. Lets say you are looking at a new car. Your primary value is gas mileage. So you see these 2 cars almost identical in every way but one has a bit more horsepower and one is a bit better on fuel. Guess which one the person gets based on their own values. They arent a "3 yeard old child" they simply have a choice
[Nexus 6P General] H0tep:
Isn't SAMOLED different than AMOLED?
[Nexus 6P General] brar.arsh:
No, Samsung has give a fancy name to their AMOLED screens as Super AMOLED.
[Nexus 6P General] WoodroweBones:
Yep. I believe SAMOLED stands for Super AMOLED which just means it has a built-in digitizer. AMOLED is just the panel and then you'd have to put the digitizer on top of that
[Nexus 6P General] poczynek:
For the love of all things holy, can we please talk about the reviews!

I am begging you guys - pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!
[Nexus 6P General] @home:
Chill, it's s phone.
[Nexus 6P General] H0tep:
Terrible argument. So, if something costs top dollar, and yet makes u be "patient" while it lags and stutters when technology is available to prevent that, and even worse, cheaper devices do it better, than having frustration over such things isn't an issue at all. If u buy a Benz, and it uses a Kia motor with a Saturn transmission, but a Benz body, would u be happy? Or would u have "issues?" Or would you go buy an Impala for 20 grand less with more of the features ur looking for?

Fanboys will defend their faulty devices till the death lol. People take their phone choice so personally.

Dude... The reviews have been beaten till they're blue in the face. Most of em are junk, and the few good ones have been discussed in their entirety. We're all waiting on [MENTION=4399028]MKBHD[/MENTION]. Relax.

Something about a review u wanna cover that hasn't been discussed? Then say it instead of whining.
[Nexus 6P General] poczynek:
The topic are the reviews - not 'why samsung is better than nexus and vice versa' - it's such a colossal yawn. Pages and pages of having to sift through people's 'opinions' of Samsung v Nexus. Dare i say it - who cares?
[Nexus 6P General] Matrix_19:
Wow the 6p is a lot faster than 5x : http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-5x-slower-nexus-6p
[Nexus 6P General] shook187:
Let's not forget part of a review is comparing it with other devices.
[Nexus 6P General] H0tep:
None of u whiners are mods. Just mods in training. It's a forum.

You're right. As I previously said. Let's talk about the same reviews we've been talking about endlessly. Much more exciting. Even better, let us all make our own crappy unprofessional review and we can add more to talk about.
[Nexus 6P General] Electricview:
bout 15 minutes... maybe 10... I'm an fast typist.. over 100 wpm.

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I'm not sure if you were the guy to say earlier that a lot of 'nexus purists' are the first to look for apps/features they will miss when changing.. (thought it was the same bird icon but maybe not). And I thought long and hard about that statement, to an extent you are right.. But I shut off smart stay long ago.. So I run into that problem with my GS5 anyways...

the 2 features i'll miss most.. (and these are silly and i'll probably just live without them) are.

1. Taking a FULL RES picture and saving it to your gallery when you are trying to 'take a picture to send in a text message' my friend with a nexus says when he takes a picture in his text messaging program it just auto resizes it to small 'useless' size and ditches the original. I kind of liked having an original.

2. Being able to palm swipe the phone to capture whatever I'm seeing on my screen. BUT to be honest, I don't care about the 'palm swipe' part, I just want a way to be able to capture whatever I'm looking at on my screen into a screenshot to send people, I have NO clue if nexus has any way to do this or what it might entail... I don't use it a TON but its a handy feature from time to time.

Those are the 2 features i'll miss the most. Silly? Yup I'm sure.

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And because I've been such a bad boy and accidently veering off topic, here's anther review I stumbled upon, not sure if its been posted yet?

Another REVIEW

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/10/featured-review-google-nexus-6p-2015.html

Lastly, I apologize for straying off topic, I honestly typed my first response long before I got to the later pages with people asking to be kept on topic, I apologize, in all of our defense though, the reason we strayed is because MANY of these reviews end up comparing the nexus 6p to the Samsung Note 5 and Iphone 6+ (or whatever its called the big one). So we end up discussing our experiences with those phones because lets face it, if you wanted the best 'hardware' and sexy looking phone on android yo probably went with Samsung in the past, and now we are all here looking to go with Nexus and so the reviews lead in to experiences with this phone and we slightly got off topic discussing why we want this phone from our letdown of Samsung phones (or even apple if you're here from them) while all these reviewers act like those two brands/phones are the holy grail, we obviously think otherwise...