yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Themes] gianton:
You have to find out yourself, usually the files larger than 1mb in size support Unicode characters.
[Android Themes] pashapuma:
Thank you so much
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
I believe these fonts support Vietnamese: HYTravel, Lato OPO, WP8, HYHispring, Roboto 4.x, Fira Sans, Samsung Sans, Tahoma, Open Sans...
[Android Themes] vyaskd:
Hi, may I request for XingYu fonts from Amigo OS (Gionee) ?
[Android Themes] wedewedew:
Just tried the font that missing screenshots, Dosis and Myriad pro.

Screenshot attached respectively.
[Android Themes] toole:
Hello [MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION].if I extract the fonts from the official twitter app for android ,will you make a flashable font zip out of it please .
[Android Themes] gianton:
I'll have a look, go ahead.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Thanks a lot. :good:
[Android Themes] toole:
https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B49OSniXrR79amYxQXRKbHJTTTA/edit

There you go,boss.
[Android Themes] gianton:
These are Roboto fonts nothing new. Just use any of the Roboto variants available.
[Android Themes] Nikki1993:
[MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION]

Having some troubles with Fira Sans on PureNexus ROM, Nexus 9.

https://goo.gl/photos/Xx8PaTWdU8FdFSkZ8

I flashed the font fix but that didn't work. According to changelog https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ROCTINpYR2M2QZ-uzErZSNK8gjIm_bXS6sXL83YePd0/pub dev switched to cLock and it doesn't play well with custom fonts, at least it would seem so.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Yes noticed that, it's a new feature of some custom ROMs to be able to choose the font of clock in lockscreen. You have to change it to light or thin and it will show correctly.
[Android Themes] Nikki1993:
Unfortunately, I do not have thin or light options. Only thin italic or light italic respectively, both glitch font like on screenshot.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Not going to change that sorry. Ask the dev to add light and thin in the options.
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
[MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] Can you please update Fira Sans to the lastest version of this font? The lastest version supports Vietnamese.

http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/list/foundry/mozilla

https://github.com/mozilla/Fira

Thank a lot! ;)
[Android Themes] gianton:
If you can provide a zip with all weights I'll make it.

Edit: I downloaded them from my PC, will be making it shortly.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Fira Sans v2 (Mozilla fonts) added to post #3.
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
Thanks for very fast update :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
Some screenshots of Fira Sans v2
[Android Themes] gianton:
Ubuntu Light added to post #3.
[Android Themes] b3anz:
is there special software that you're using to make these?... or at least a link to tutorial
[Android Themes] :
[MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] I was wondering can you provide the EastMarket font for Marhmallow 6.0.1? https://mega.nz/#!DgpnkAxJ!6wV-9s15yjTirYF7klhSDH448VxvcXTXJacoUmNpG9g

Thank you
[Android Themes] :
Okay thank you
[Android Themes] paul222008:
[MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] thanks for you awesome font sir i manage to change fonts in my non cm rom. but theres a font i wanted to can you make a flashable zip with this font sir? :) [IMG="HyCoffee Font"]http://lgviet.com/forum/attachments/uploadfromtaptalk1396863990783-jpg.21981/[/IMG]

heres the Link of the Bold and Regular http://www.mediafire.com/download/c2man09lolsbm7r/font+coffe.zip

before in CM based rom i use ThemeDIY to make a apk to use thsi font. but now i dont know how to make it a zip. thanks! :) and sorry for bad english
[Android Themes] gianton:
Read just two posts above yours.
[Android Themes] paul222008:
what is the complete full weights package sir?
[Android Themes] gianton:
At least, bold, regular, light, medium.
[Android Themes] paul222008:
I dont have the others. Is there any way to adjust font weights? An app or something? :)
[Android Themes] Mendibil:
Nice work! I'd love to have Adobe Hypatia Sans Pro in my android... Any chance that you could make the flashable zip?? Here is the link to the font: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6vR_pI50ZGEaXZSUDF4X2d5YjQ/view?usp=sharing

Thanks in advance!
[Android Themes] nativesmiley:
Is it possible to make "Andrea Print Upright" condense?
[Android Themes] THATTON:
You need to provide the ttf files. The OP does this for free. He isn't going to spend time to go look for variations of a font. If you can find it, I'm sure he can make a flashable zip. Your best bet is to search the web for the font you're looking for and then upload the ttf files
[Android Themes] gianton:
It's already made from my KK thread and the OP. I'll be making it shortly.
[Android Themes] THATTON:
I think it's awesome that you take time out of your day every day to keep up with this thread.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Hypatia Sans Pro and Andrea Print Upright Condensed added to post #3.
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
This is BauhausEF Medium font :D

Can it be made into flashable please [MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION]

please
[Android Themes] TheNakedMam:
Apologies if this has been asked before, but what about software updates? I'm guessing I just need to flash the font.zip again, right?
[Android Themes] nativesmiley:
Thank you. ?
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
Can we have any of these fonts made into flashable zips,,,, I Know you haven't been taking requests but I would request you as you have the knowledge and talent :) Please :) These are in descending order of their coolness quotient :P

These are really really sexy.. would look great on your phone too :D

http://www.1001freefonts.com/sf_theramin_gothic.font

http://www.1001freefonts.com/sf_chrome_fenders.font

http://www.1001freefonts.com/nova_slim.font

http://www.1001freefonts.com/florentine_amber.font

http://www.1001freefonts.com/bloomingworth.font

http://www.1001freefonts.com/wattauchimma.font

http://www.1001freefonts.com/fortune_city.font
[Android Themes] azsl1326:
Any ideas on how to fix this font issue with the clock on the lock screen? It's Font_Soma_Bold_Taller_v1. I tried flashing the fix in your O.P and it didn't work :(

Thanks, in advance.
[Android Themes] Mujib@r:
I'm seeing this with many fonts on 6.0.1. Would also like to know if there's a fix.
[Android Themes] azsl1326:
I have tried several ROMs and the issue seems to only be appearing on PureNexus for me and only on the lockscreen clock.
[Android Themes] Mujib@r:
Interesting. But good to know. Thanks!

EDIT: Forgot to mention I'm on PureNexus also.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Ask the dev to include all 18 fonts for the lockscreen clock. Then set the font to light or thin weight.
[Android Themes] azsl1326:
Where can I find the 18 fonts?
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
Hit me on hangouts vsd5489@gmail.com and send me the font zip. I will fix it for you ??
[Android Themes] gianton:
It's in the ROM settings as in SS.
[Android Themes] toole:
You should make a ttf file.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Webly Sleek UI Bolder added to post #3.
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
I'm sorry I dont knw how to make one. I seel=k help from someone. PLS

If I could get the Bauhaus font only, it wll be great
[Android Themes] toole:
You'll

You'll have to extract the font from wherever and then paste a link here.
[Android Themes] :
I'm using Pure Nexus ROM and the only custom font that will work without problems is Storopia Font
[Android Themes] dude6595:
not sure what you guys are doing but i only use fonts from here (10+) on Pure Nexus and dont have a single problem using the dejavu font fix..
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
Please find attached the zip file for Theramin Gothic font. Request you to please please please make it into a flashable zip

It will be everybody's favourite :)
[Android Themes] gianton:
@ everyone

Please stop asking how to, I said it before search Google I have no time for tutorials. If you keep doing so I'll close this thread as it's annoying.
[Android Themes] gianton:
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[Android Themes] verynuclear:
Amazing thread. Long time looking for bariol font and here it is. You rock ?
[Android Themes] THATTON:
Bariol is the cleanest font ever!
[Android Themes] gianton:
Bauhaus and SF Theramin Gothic added to post #3, screenshots are appreciated.
[Android Themes] dude6595:
Bauhaus
[Android Themes] wedewedew:
Screenshot for SF Theramin Gothic ?
[Android Themes] gianton:
BPreplay added to post #3.
[Android Themes] TheNakedMam:
Can I flash the stock Roboto font from 6.0 onto my 5.1.1 ROM?
[Android Themes] toole:
Yep!
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
You ROCK :D You are the BOSS :) Thank you so so so so much!
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
May I please request a very good font but which is not present, I think, in your superb kk thread.

Could you make florentine_amber and chrome_fenders fonts attached below. Thanks a ton for your work. You enable me to enjoy my phone a whole whole lot more.

I think many people will like them too.

Please forgive me if I say anything wrong.
[Android Themes] asj0422:
Im running stock marshmallow rooted on the n6p. I've been looking for a way to change back to the lollipop style font, particularly for the clock on the lockscreen and clock widget in the home screen, (not a fan of the thicker numbera) but so far I've been unsuccessful. I tried flashing the stock lollipop zip in [MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] 's original post, but that didn't seem to change anything. Any suggestions?
[Android Themes] gianton:
You have to use a stock ROM (PN, DU etc) which has the lock clock feature in lock screen settings. There you can choose all 18 fonts including the thin weight of LP stock ROM.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Full weights only, thanks.
[Android Themes] asj0422:
That was quick, thank you. So these don't work on the stock aosp rom?
[Android Themes] gianton:
All zips work on stock ROM, actually on any ROM running Android 5.x.x and 6.x.x. I just answered your question regarding the weight you can choose for the lockscreen clock.
[Android Themes] asj0422:
Ah, gotcha. Any suggestions as to how I can change the weight of the lock clock with stock then?
[Android Themes] gianton:
No way.
[Android Themes] asj0422:
Aw rats. Well, thanks anyway. Off to search for xposed mods I guess
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
Yeah. They are not. Sorry. Thanks a ton for making Bauhaus. It is so elegant. It is just a tad bit light though.

Would just like to know if at all it is possible to make it a bit thicker?

Request you to please shower your love on Walkway Black font. It has got 31 weights in it. :D I guess this can replace every trace of stock fonts. :)

It is a beautiful font. Thanks a ton
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
Font request with full weights - SF_New_Republic font

Many Thanks Sir
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
Last Request/ Best Font: Typo Round font

Can't thank enough! :angel:

This is a special font. It is beautifully elegant, geometric and rounded. I think it will replace Bariol as people's favorite.

You have to see it to believe it. :)

Here
[Android Themes] gianton:
No free time for the next few months, for requests read the OP.
[Android Themes] Dell Schulz:
[B]Thanks![/B]

Nice...
[Android Themes] b3anz:
could u make zip with this font?
[Android Themes] lazer77:
Did you happen to miss this post 2 posts above yours? http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64868747&postcount=317
[Android Themes] thecuriousmate:
Oh man! This should be sticky. [MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] Great effort. I appreciate it. Congratulations!
[Android Themes] hewhomustnotbenamed:
delete
[Android Themes] cmxperia:
Thanks friend :o
[Android Themes] papirolex:
Hytravel font doesnt apply well on my z2 running cm12.1. All the texts are plain in some certain apps where they are meant to be bold. Any help?
[Android Themes] gianton:
All zips have the full set of weights (including HyTravel), I think it's related to the "certain apps" as you said. Nothing can be done to fix that.
[Android Themes] dukat0s:
problem with fonts

Hello giant. i got some problems with some fonts.when i install em and my phone reboot i got boxes (questionmark) in to the clock font at lockscreen. i read the instructions i flash your "fix" in your start of yoru thread but nothing happend.i try to wipe cache fix permission reinstall a bunch of fonts and still the box is there ! =) i e ven try to revert to stock but nothing changed again ! error -zip- at twrp ! i m running latest 6.0.1 on Nexus 6P :) thanks for all

nevermind i change some "themes" layers and its ok now )
[Android Themes] Vkas Raj:
[MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION]

Can you make a infini font zip ???
[Android Themes] Klaus1983:
How do you solve? Font storopia on pure nexus ROM 6.0.1 thanks!

Inviato dal mio Nexus 5 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Android Themes] gianton:
Choose light or thin weight in Purenexus lockscreen settings.
[Android Themes] Mujib@r:
Neither exists in PN lockscreen settings. I believe this will be fixed in the next build.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Yes I read it's already merged.

Στάλθηκε από το K011 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
[Android Themes] Reechings:
Thanks for Roboto light font pack but it seems to do something weird to the spacing on the lockscreen and is a little too thin on webpages. Not sure if you can do much about that though. Thanks!
[Android Themes] gianton:
Not much I can do sorry.
[Android Themes] theankitkulkarni:
Screenshots are not showing for some fonts.. can someone show me a screenshot of Chococooky font?
[Android Themes] gianton:
Why don't you flash it and post the screenshot as a help for this thread?
[Android Themes] theankitkulkarni:
OK.. I will.. Just trying on Moto g 3 2015 with cm13.. Will it work without any problem?

Sent from my Moto G(Osprey)
[Android Themes] gianton:
Yes they all work.
[Android Themes] theankitkulkarni:
After installing.. I will be posting screenshot..

Sent from my Moto G(Osprey)
[Android Themes] Sheetzie03:
Thanks for this thread! Love all the Helevetica's, has anyone run into the regular 'Helevetica'?

Iv read through some pages but wasn't confident this question would have already been asked due to how random it is.

Thanks

Edit:

After, I did notice that Helevetica Original was in the KitKat thread. Did anyone request it and I'm just missing it?
[Android Themes] gianton:
There are six variants of Helvetica already made in the first three posts, I think they are enough for anyone's taste.
[Android Themes] Sheetzie03:
Does this mean that Helevetica Original is not much different than the others already added?
[Android Themes] gianton:
Yes correct.
[Android Themes] THATTON:
I have a request and I'll be sure to post screenshots. This is a custom font. Not even sure it has a name but we can call it Georgia Modified. https://www.dropbox.com/s/s9m2c60wr6uxl28/Georgia Modified.zip?dl=0

Thanks in advance! All weights are included.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Read the OP for requests.
[Android Themes] THATTON:
I see. Oh well, thanks anyway!
[Android Themes] SamuelMaki:
Hey! Seems the AIO #2 package doesn't flash on TWRP 2.7.0, individual ones flash fine.
[Android Themes] gianton:
The AIO zips are not flashable, they contain the flashable zips.
[Android Themes] JaylanPHNX:
I want all the fonts on my phone at once, each letter a different one. [emoji12] In seriousness, though, I've wondered if it's possible to make a zip that just replaced the numbers fonts. I like the letters in the font I'm using, but not really the numbers.

From my SlimTab Pro 8.4
[Android Themes] gianton:
Not possible.
[Android Themes] SamuelMaki:
Very funny. Was looking to use different fonts for different apps. Is it possible to get typewriter like font that isn't "realistic" like the travelling typewriter? I mean something that has no variable thickness.
[Android Themes] gianton:
Overpass added to post #3.
[Android Themes] JaylanPHNX:
I figured as much.

I think gianton's answer to me applies to your question as well.

From my SlimTab Pro 8.4
[Android Themes] fajarlazuarding:
I was looking for this font name and then suddenly you uploaded it, thanks !
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
Can you plz make a zip for Roboto Light from KK thread

https://mega.co.nz/#!hYQUGSxD!xBMo_JhRiNA7VNoN5mmi9Tx36CfF6zjYnpCCEeozZRs

I believe that is Roboto 4.x.
[Android Themes] Paoliz:
Are these working for cm13? (I asked because cm13 already had a fonts theme manager, but there aren't some fonts that I Like for theme chooser)
[Android Themes] gianton:
They work on any ROM running Android 5.x.x and 6.x.x including CM13, you have to choose the default fonts from the system theme and flash any zip you like.
[Android Themes] Paoliz:
Perfect, now I try

EDIT: It workerd, perfect, thank you so mush

Inviato dal mio A0001 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Android Themes] Nikosstamatiou:
ΑΔΕΡΦΕ ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΗ ΔΟΥΛΕΙΑ. ΔΟΥΛΕΥΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΓΙΑ zuk Ζ1;;
[Android Themes] gianton:
They work on any ROM running Android 5.x.x and 6.x.x.

(Ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια).
[Android Themes] wedewedew:
Hello mr. Gianton can i have MIUI font from your kitkat thread?http://www.mediafire.com/?4r4m5kkn7c20727

Thanks.
[Android Themes] Me_Ashish_:
The screenshot of Caviar Dreams has error 404

Here's mine anyways :
[Android Themes] wedewedew:
Thank you very much. Here is the screenshot of MIUI font
[Android Themes] THATTON:
That looks just like Helvetica Neue. Is it the same font?
[Android Themes] gianton:
It looks identical but is a different font with around 52000 glyphs! That's why the zip is 34mb+ in size!
[Android Themes] wedewedew:
Screenshot for Roboto Light Google2
[Android Themes] swat4samp:
Looking great :cyclops:
[Android Themes] Nachoavgo:
Problem with font VAG Rounded Regular

This font: VAG Rounded Regular looks weird. Some letters look bigger. In spanish "tilde" dont show it, even with DejavuFont zip
[Android Themes] gianton:
Not all fonts support all glyphs, nothing I can do to fix that. Either use another font or live with this bug.
[Android Themes] Nachoavgo:
Noooo okay. It was the best font for me... I cant believe this :'( :'(
[Android Themes] Siic19:
Awesome! Phone is looking styling now with my favourite font: Bauhaus
[Android Themes] keminekoo:
Any chance to update Caviar Dreams? ( http://www.dafont.com/caviar-dreams.font ) in this link it's supporting every polish characters while the one in thread doesn't have proper "ł". It's such a nice font, would be nice! TY! :)
[Android Themes] dude6595:
Try Bariol... They look almost the same to me... I just don't know about the other characters and all but maybe it will work unless you tried it already...
[Android Themes] Nachoavgo:
Thanks for the advice. I've tried that font and I think that VAG is bolder than Bariol. ;)
[Android Themes] sswagonman:
Hi is there any chance u can make this a flashable zip please. Called colours of autumn

http://www.dafont.com/colors-of-autumn.font
[Android Themes] Atajú:
Hi master.

Can you port this font ?

Thanks in advance
[Android Themes] gianton:
@ everyone

Sorry but have not much free time to take other requests than the ones mentioned at the OP.
[Android Themes] Atajú:
Ok, it doesn`t matter.

Regards.
[Android Themes] tintinsw:
Good evening, I seek the more I saturn not find :good::good:
[Android Themes] gianton:
Sorry but can't understand what you mean.
[Android Themes] thorrules:
Thank you [MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] for the quick update to Marshmallow. Just flashed OPO (Lato UI) font and loving the experience.
[Android Themes] phaino00:
By any chance, would you accept a request for China Cat that you had in previous thread?

Even after flashing missing symbol zip, still some issues.

Edit: I'm an idiot. Scrolled through a second time and there it was.
[Android Themes] jugoslavpetrovic:
What about special characters, like in non-english languages, for example Serbian?

Are those and stock.zip compatible?
[Android Themes] gianton:
You'd have to test for yourself which zip files have the Serbian glyphs, usually larger files >1mb or >2mb have these glyphs.
[Android Themes] vjtigas:
Can I flash the Roboto font from 6.0.0 to my 5.1.1 ROM? Thanks!
[Android Themes] gianton:
Yes I did that on my OPO.
[Android Themes] dan04103:
Ubuntu is a cool touch to Android. Thanks for sharing.
[Android Themes] ipayproject:
If my m4 aqua not rooted, can i install that fonts?
[Android Themes] gianton:
You don't need root just a custom recovery like TWRP or CWM.
[Android Themes] salmonthefish:
[MENTION=418202]KingPen[/MENTION]

Download the one you like, flash and boot to system. And font is changed. This is what I do for the SOKP rom. I don't like the default font
[Android Themes] KingPen:
Oh wow. Thanks a lot!!
[Android Themes] TPWarrior:
Thank you!

These are so cool and easy to use! Just flashed to my Nexus 4 running Frank 6.0. Between these sweet fonts and and all my Layers - [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] - the old lady is looking like a supermodel. :cyclops: Thanks so much.
[Android Themes] djcsurf:
A nice thread to bookmark this one, when wanting a subtle change from whichever rom I use its a simple font zip flash. Thanks
[Android Themes] Brachacz:
Wow, what's the name of that layer / cm12 theme? Looks really good!
[Android Themes] gianton:
Not my screenshots, check here.
[Android Themes] Brachacz:
Hey, this layer / theme is really cool, what's the name of it / where to find it?
[Android Themes] matraca:
it's a theme for cm12/12.1 it's called doodle ui.

Here you go:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...eui&pcampaignid=APPU_1_8eknVvbRJJC3oQT0t4T4CA
[Android Themes] shoeprano27:
very nice sets of fonts, buddy. thank you.

i have a question. every screenshots have some really cool statusbar icons, for wifi, signal, battery, etc. where can i find them?
[Android Themes] nexttjme:
Can you please add Roboto Condensed 4.3 Light from the link below on your KK thread?

https://mega.co.nz/#!sYgxzSaJ!jIQVA6sVfek1Y_ErEUQaHv8KIXIA5mlfVp37azipq9s

Thanks!

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I think the screenshots on OP are from users ??
[Android Themes] gianton:
Most of the screenshots are not mine.

Thanks
[Android Themes] raveydavey1967:
tutorial

can anyone do a simple tutorial for a noob to add fonts to a non rooted note 5 please.
[Android Themes] gianton:
To use these fonts you need a custom recovery. No root needed.
[Android Themes] raveydavey1967:
forgive my ignorance but what is a custom recovery and how do i use it?
[Android Themes] Phazmos:
I would advise, strongly, that you learn about these things before messing with a device.

Google will get you all the info you need.
[Android Themes] JackDL:
Would be great to have these fonts available:

http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/SF-Cartoonist-Hand

http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/jollygood-sans

Thanks in advance!
[Android Themes] kresnadetea:
can i use on my grand prime?

running on lollipop 5.0.2
[Android Themes] LoverBoy2415:
Can You Say What's The Font Used In This Picture ?? ..
[Android Themes] iAmWiz:
[MENTION=1546609]gianton[/MENTION] thank you so much for these zips. Is there a way you could make an apk for the cm theme engine? I would really be glad if the cocon taller font could be made available.
[Android Themes] ZDeuce2:
He doesn't make apk's, just flash it in recovery and it will do the same thing...

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Looks like chinacat

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[Android Themes] iAmWiz:
Thank you very much... Sorry for being booby. If I flash a nightly update, will it affect the font (need too flash the font again) not?

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Rosemary font. Used by most TouchWiz UI
[Android Themes] LoverBoy2415:
Thanks A Lot Bro [MENTION=7127210]iAmWiz[/MENTION] ..Was Searching for this Name ..For Days ..[emoji12] [emoji12] ..Atlast Found It ;) ..Thanks A Lot ..
[Android Themes] kresnadetea:
If sometime i want to back my default roboto fonts

can i use the flashable zip for backup my roboto fonts and then zip again

because on main post roboto default for android 5.1.x

and my android running on 5.0.x

sorry for my bad english :)
[Android Themes] ZDeuce2:
Yes, you'll have to flash it after a nightly...

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