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[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Where those his actual words, I assume you understand Chinese?

I'd have to see him compare it side by side to the G4 and Note 5 under the same conditions to fully see whether thats true or not. He didn't provide any shots of the Note 5 or the G4, to support that in the video.

I see hes using manual mode, I bet if you used the G4's manual mode too, the G4 photos would have the upper hand based off the huge amount of options G4 offers you.

I remember watching this video of his and it didn't fill me with confidence.

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[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Hi [MENTION=6982839]a.mubher[/MENTION],

And thanks for proving my point in your pictures as well. Indeed the Z5 destroys every single detail in the pictures by smearing and jaggedness.

Let's clear this out: we "measure" where the focus (best of) is acquired in a given shots. I could go further and point out the miserable quality of Z5 at image corners (specifically the left side down) but that would be too much.

Where you point about one camera being "over sharpened" (and over exposed... really, you sure you know what are you looking at?) the Z5 - in the same shot - lacks detail to smearing / diffusion.

The tree bark is perfect example of smearing in the Z5 shot and so are the flowers. As for the car shots comparison, despite the fact you have focused on the noise of G4, it is actually the G4 shot that makes all the difference and proves the poor, poor quality in Z5 shot. Just look at details you get in the air conditioning exhaust / outlet piece (black piece at the top of the image). Simply there is no such thing / piece discernable in the Z5 take! Got me? :)
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Z5 ISO 800 shot in artificial light

Z5's ISO 800 in artificial light but plenty of.... look at her face, it's almost full of blown highlights! There is a whole lot of smearing... :(

[IMG="ISO 800"]http://cdn02.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/DSC_0042.jpg[/IMG]
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
That is the front camera just saying
[Xperia Z5 General] a.mubher:
Hi.

I think you only see what you want to see and ignore everything else. First those are not your pictures so we don't really know where exactly the focus point is.

Every camera has it weakness. In the first shot for the Z5 the details are fine, it has natural and appealing colors and deeper shadows, a great sense of depth to it. The shot of Note5 is clearly too sharp to be natural. Again with the second shot. Z5 with better color reproduction and higher contrast. The details are fine as well.

The car shot G4 has the best details obviously, but also with a lot noise. Z5 has the highest contrast, so the blacks are much deeper which result of "loss" of details under shadows I agree. S6 red is pretty much pink, that is a big issue.

You are overlooking the oversharpining effect in Galaxy pictures, Over-sharpening could gives false impression of having better details. Here is an example: The details are 100% there before applying the sharpening, but still, the sharpened part appears to have even more details, but those are false ones. It is undesirable effect

Also, that is an old software for the Z5 so we could have even better result.

Bye :)
[Xperia Z5 General] coleburns:
There is simply no pleasing everyone. I just had a go with one at the o2 store in the city and i am very impressed with it. A bit bigger than i would have liked but as it's smaller than the nexus 5x and has a sd card, i am definitely getting one.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Thanks for this. People tend to think oversharpened pic = better camera.

But it's not true.

And nobody talks about colour, dynamic range, contrast, accuracy...

BLIND PEOPLE.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
I am not here to convince anyone of anything! Those who keep their eyes open will see. The other will just mangle with technical jargon in such a way to please their own unshakable opinions. Just like you do.

"deeper shadows, a great sense of depth to it" ---> Really?!! Since when is clipping in highlights and shadows (i.e. unrecoverable details) a virtue for any camera? C'mon.... get yourself a photography for noobs book and stop your precious lecturing on matters you can't get hold of. It doesn't help anyone (not even you) trying to put poetry and ambiguity where what it matters is quality.

Good, you've got it right this time. We both agree there is no recoverable details in that poetry you call "highest contrast, so the blacks are much deeper" (d'oh!!!). It's just poor dynamic range it should should be evident even to you, as per your explanation! Contrast compresses tones thus Z5 looks so "full bodied" (geee!!!) and the transitional shadows become black, swallowing all the available details in the scene. Too bad!

Yet again you're involving precious lecturing the others where the evidence does not favor your point. Indeed over-sharpening is 99% of the time a lame excuse for those who are looking to empathize smth that it's just not in the actual shot. BUT.... BUT... for Z5 shots it's 110% clear - given the omnipresent smearing - that even the smartest sharpening will not make the shots "click".

Over-sharpen the Z5 masterpiece below and please bring back the details Note5 was able to capture in the wall bricks. You can't? I thought so...

>>>>>
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
You've nailed it!

"SE P800 P910 P990 P1 X1 X2 X10 LG E900 Xperia Arc X10 Mini Sony Xperia S, Xperia T, Xperia Z, Xperia Z2".... and your "opinion" is neither rant, nor trolling, nor cheap fanboy-ism, huh? :) :good:
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Looks like another obsessed.

If you can't read properly, don't bother replying.
[Xperia Z5 General] schecter7:
Before making fun of other people, take a look at your own comment history - Galaxy 6, Note 4, S4 - LOL

Here are few pictures from Z3+ (left) & S6 (right). Ah, another difference is I actually own both devices.
[Xperia Z5 General] emike09:
The comment about the Note 5 using a 28mm lens vs the 23mm lens on the Z5 would in fact play a small amount into the quality level of the sample images, even from the center of the frame. But there are some obvious compression techniques at play, especially with the elimination of entire textures and objects. Why dial up compression when you don't even ship a 16GB model??? In the past, I've turned here to XDA to find ways of modding the application to reduce compression levels in the absence of RAW, perhaps we'll be able to figure it out again. Perhaps the emails to Sony regarding adding raw or reducing compression will go heard.
[Xperia Z5 General] a.mubher:
First thing, try to relax, getting defensive is never good. I'm just trying to share my opinion.

Balance is the keyword here when it comes to contrast and dynamic range. Any camera with high ISO can "see" details that human eye can't... Does that mean that those cameras are better than our eyes? That is pretty much what you are saying. Again, the Z5 pucture has excellent contrast and colors. Very natural and appealing.... Yes really.

It is obvious that Galaxy pictures are over-sharpened. Especially the flowers and floor pictures. A lot of distortion. And yes in that building part Note5 result in better in both details and contrast. That why I said first "it depends on where you look".

I'm glad that you seem to agree that Z5 pictures have the best colors. Since you never respond to that. Especially the "pink" car xD
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
You're confusing optical resolution vs. digital resolution. The objects optically are smaller in the pics taken with the Z5. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Look closely at the original pics - the pics with the Z5 cover a lot more area, which don't even show up in the other pics. Smaller objects = less optical resolution, even if it's over the same number of (digital) pixels. The comparison would only be fair if the pics were (optically) aligned so that the objects in the frame appear to be the same relative size in each pic. The pics show that the objects taken with the Z5 are smaller (i.e. larger background), while the iphone takes the narrowest pics (as if they were already cropped).
[Xperia Z5 General] jetbruceli:
Found this review. Seriously just cancelled my preorder. https://youtu.be/Ckm_1XYzl0c
[Xperia Z5 General] WastedJoker:
I've just arranged the return of my device because of the leftside blurring issue on photos. I will be getting a different device.
[Xperia Z5 General] DoKaTSuYa:
Ahahahaha What I said, DxO Mark are french dumb amateurs... I a Sony fan, I have everything Sony, but phone ? No Xperia because pictures suck, They just get paid DxO.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Good! Get a Sammy and fly away :)

If this kind of "reviews" matter to you, you need a toy suitable to your needs!

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Too much drugs mate!
[Xperia Z5 General] Toledo_JAB:
Alright people, This is a decent discussion about the camera's.

Anyone can post their opinions and supporting information's.

However lets not let this thread turn into a troll fest and name calling.

Please stay on topic and civil.

Thanks,

~JAB
[Xperia Z5 General] guybrush2099:
I had Sony Xperia S, Z, Z1 and two Z3 (different colors) and loved their cameras

I can generally say love Sony smarpthones..maybe they still are the best compromise (display, camera, battery life, firmware accuracy, etc) but this time I 've tried to test Samsung Galaxy Edge S6 Plus. I always hated Touchwiz, but this time Samsung did it. S6 camera is well above..the difference is incredible despite the new sensor and new lens of Z5 family.. :( this time Samsung smartphone works great (no lags ang great display, no more blue white balances....). sony firmware still do it better (it's cleaner and similar to google stock one) and battery life is more fluctuating in Samsung..but this time I values Samsung great improvements...I hope next time Sony will implemente better software for these great sensors and cameras.... so I 'll come back to my favourite brand phones...

Camera is (for me ;) ) an important factor it may tip the scales (between two "similar" good smarptone) on the right side....

goodbye :)
[Xperia Z5 General] Funkmasterchilla:
"French dumb amateurs".. Man I don't know where you're from but here's a very dumb thing to say on an international forum.

À bon entendeur.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
I translated the comments (which he answered). People asked him about the Note 5 and G4. From the video itself, he was only comparing the SA to Night portrait and Night scene. I'm not an expert in Chinese, so don't ask me to translate anything. xD

In any case, from schecter7's testing, night mode isn't fully activated in SA until the night mode + tripod icons pop up. I don't think any reviews even waited for the night mode, let alone the tripod one. I don't remember any review mentioning the scene activation icons.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Those apps dont report it right since the camera module is new. Also upscaling an 8MP photo to 23MP would make it look really bad and why would they otherwise use a true 21MP sensor for all their other flagship phones but not Z5? Heck the IMX300 in Z5 is in reality a 25MP sensor!

http://www.gsmarena.com/sonys_new_z...se_a_custom_25mp_camera_sensor-blog-13806.php
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Those apps just don't have full access to the camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] koppee1:
I was looking forward to purchasing the premium when it comes out...but I dropped by a sony store to test out the z5's camera. I spent 40 minutes taking pictures, zooming in, and comparing it to the note 4. The note still took better pictures. Was really disappointed...I was so looking forward to getting the premium
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Go back to the store and redo the test but dont forget to clean the lens with microfiber canvas. I've seen so many people test out phones without cleaning the lens cover and complain about bad photos. You wouldn't imagine how dirty the lens cover gets in a store. I know this well and hanging microfiber canvases they just hangs there as adornment. No need to even wash it every week..
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
He's probably not accounting for the 24mm lens, and taking pics from the same spot and zooming in till objects are the same size. Also probably using 23 MP mode in poor, indoor lighting. Sony really should have put in a 40mm lens "test mode". Just look at the zoomed in level of detail! ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Mano1982:
Haha this happend to me. I was trying camera of Z5 on a store today & pics were so awful & then i cleaned the lens hehe..

I was so tampted to buy Z5 today.. I own a Z3 today. I am not a rich person, so i have to consider a lot of things. I am really in love with Z5 green, on the other hand Z3 is still rocking. Don't know what to do :(
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
I would wait until Z6. Since my Z1 handles anything I throw at it with flying colors and photos look fantastic your Z3 will do fine to. Or just wait for a price drop and by then drivers and software will have matured for the Z5.

Took this pic in FV-5 "Long" mode, 21MP and night with Z1 (Lollipop 5.1.1). Cant complain since it still packs a helluva punch! Daytime is in another league.. Though manual controls would be gold but it seems Z5 doesn't really pack it either as in Camera API 2 or 3.
[Xperia Z5 General] effective:
Have some patience bro.I am advising you to wait until Z6 comes out.The Snapdragon 820 will worth the upgrade for sure.I am with Z2 and will keep my money in my pocket for now.(i can hardly resist the premium tho...but) haha ( : :highfive:
[Xperia Z5 General] Mano1982:
You are totally right, the only problem is how tampted i am :( I had actually no reason to upgrade from Z2 to Z3, but i did. Though i have not regreted, but still i had no reason. Same now..

And picture you took was stunning. Do you find FV-5 camera better than stock? I have bought FV-5 but i have only used for making videos :)

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Hehe i understand you totally :p I will try my best to have patience. I am kinda proud of myself because i was about to buy it today when i was at store, i don't know why i didn't. I think should stay away from stores for some time :p haha My brother is going to buy Z5 premium, so i'll get some chance to play with it.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Yeah I was looking at the Z5 Premium but then it is best to waith some time so the bugs and design flaws are corrected. Mobile phones are generally rushed out nowdays and that comes with problems for initial batches.

Well comparing to manual mode in stock with good lighting they work pretty much equal. BIONZ still processes photos with FV-5 but regarding ISO and shutter speed they are pretty even (in how they work automatically) although even at 21MP FV-5 can choose ISO 1600 despite this only being possible in stock manual 21MP if image stabilisation is enabled (stock goes with stabilisation enabled for 1/16 instead of 1/8 and ISO 1600 instead of max 800). But for worse lighting conditions the FV-5 is better with (P)(S) mode and set to "Long" where it goes for slow shutter speed and low ISO. Also the "Fast" mode is good for capturing fast moving objects in adequatelly lit environments and it allows me to do this at 21MP. But these are the only occasions I use FV-5.

EDIT: I tested manual 8MP "Night mode" and compared to FV-5 using "Long" mode and they in terms of how much is lit up is equal. They both seem to choose same shutter speed (1/5, 1/4, 0,8s and so on) and ISO pretty much equally. Exception is FV-5 allows me to use 21MP and stock camera max 8/8,3MP.
[Xperia Z5 General] NerdiX:
In these reviews it is important to know that the exif data in the .jpg file can be manipulated by hand. I can shoot with dslr, after changing exif data you could think that is sammy, i****y, or something else... Go to store and make test yourself...

wtf blame thread, pls close it...
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
If things go well I might have my Z5 next week.

And do some proper testing with Z5 and Z2 which I know really well since I have it for over 1,5 years.

I should do a proper comparison. All the questions will be answered.
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
I think the only way we can realy know why we get stuck at 8.3 megapixels is when someone with the propper knolage takes the phone apart and compare it to it's predecessors both software and hardware wise none of their previous models have done this so why would they start looking everything down now it makes no sense at all and previous models showed higher specs from day one
[Xperia Z5 General] pilifida:
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I was tempted on the premium too until i've read the reviews about not so long battery life, disappointing camera and sony's statement about how's better not to fully submerge this phone.

I have a z2 and i do not think i will upgrade it this year. The high end phones have become more and more expensive, it is almost no price difference between them and an iphone. So spending lots of money on a device with faulty software it;s not so recommended. Later, when the updates will fix the camera and maybe the phone will get cheaper maybe there is a reason to buy the Z5.

Also in my opinion, Z5compact looks awful like a toy ....

Here, in romania, a contract-free z5 costs 760 euro, and orange with a 2 year contract of 42 euro/month sells it with 350 euro. (in romania we have a medium wage of 450 euro/month). It was so nice to see that in western european countries, at 50 euro/month contract, you get z5 for free. Maybe romania is a richer country lol :))

Regarding the price, i've seen that M5 Aqua costs almost 500 euros, M5 beeing a mid-range phone, which is priced the same as Xperia Z, the flagship we had 2 years ago. It's nice to see that in 1-2 years high-end android phones will be equally priced with the latest apple phone models. (i am NOT an apple fanboy)
[Xperia Z5 General] kolembo:
I'm cut in half! I was Sony Ericsson for a long time, loved my x10 mini, and my little U! Then I went LG G2 which was an excellent phone. I skipped the first Z's because the size of the phone Vs size of screen was horrendous. Now on Note 4 and 6 edge plus. They're beautiful phones, very capable - just, Samsung is very, I don't know how to put it.... Corporate.

Their phones feel like cut outs designed to make money first.

Now have to choose between the LG V10, and the Z5 premium.

To be honest, the Z5 premium is the one I've been waiting for. They've taken so long though - the new Samsung's and Huawei's will be out soon.... I just don't know. The Z5 already feels like it should have been out right when the edge plus and the i phone were launching - bad timing.

Anyhow, I've been trying to read all your experiences with the Z5.

Not as concerned with the battery as with the camera. You know, the one thing Samsung is REALLY rocking are their cameras are the moment. Rocking it, no kidding.
[Xperia Z5 General] effective:
Please do so and share the test results,bro :highfive:
[Xperia Z5 General] gavinfabl:
I have the Z5 Compact. It appears there is no burst mode with the default camera app. Can Z5 owners confirm if missing as well from the default camera app?
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
There is no burst so for that i use fast burst pro app
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Here are 2 new Z5 comparison reviews:

Z5 vs Note 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSp6d2JzHhk

Z5 vs iPhone 6s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlT37ZPOyww
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Man all these comparisions! The bad thing with Youtube is that you cannot judge quality of photos only color and how it lits up the scenes and you cant really see how badly the noise and blotches are on the Iphone 6s in such situations. It's atrocious seriously. The Z5 fares much better and the darker the bigger the difference. Also speakers tests.. Never figured out why so many reviews turn off or never enable the built in equalizer or the players own equalizer. On Iphone it already is enabled but not the Z5. I can say my Z1 sounds a helluva lot better than both thoose phones in the test yet I know the Z5 can do way better with it's stereo.

That said the Z5 really pulls ahead and beats the competition without problems.
[Xperia Z5 General] kinghund:
What about Testshots with the original Firmware and the new updated Firmware?

Are there any improvements?
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
I made a few test today were i compared the z5 and the sgs5 and the Sgs5 took this one especially in macro shots
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
I've had the Z5 for a few days (with a G4 for testing), and here are my initial thoughts on the Z5 vs. G4 low light performance. Evaluating it has so far not been as simple as I had thought. I'll write up a more detailed post (with pics) in another thread later. Superior Auto tries to do quite a bit.

I've tried two scenarios:

a) Low light (60w incandescent light over head)

b) No nearby light source (light from another room)

- 23/20 MP modes were slightly more detailed than 8 MP modes in (a), but much noisier. Little to no detail difference in (b), except for the noise.

- If SA detects movement and/or faces, it will lower exposure time (and increase ISO) to minimize motion blur (G4 didn't do this). This results in lower level of detail (obviously). Good to know when taking night time photos with and without people/moving objects, as results will be different.

- Under the same (low light) conditions, the G4 produced a better level of detail, but with poorer colour accuracy and more noise (vs. Z5 8 MP). The Z5 pics were cleaner, more realistic/accurate, but the pixel binning did not provide as much detail as the bigger pixels.

- In scenario (b), it usually took about a second or so for the low light symbol (i.e. candle icon) to appear, usually after the walking icon disappeared. If the candle icon does not appear, the exposure time cannot go beyond 1/16 sec, I believe.

- Night modes were generally not necessary for taking good low light pics. Night portrait can produce better results with steady hands. Night scene, I'd only recommend on a still surface or tripod.

So is the Z5 better or worse than the G4 (and hence S6) in low light? In terms of hand-held night pics, I would say (pixel-peeping) detail is "worse". In terms of realism/accuracy, I would say "better". The super-sampling is an advantage in most situations, but isn't a panacea for everything. Using a tripod/steady surface (i.e. tripod icon), the Z5 will increase exposure time for a better level of detail. So you can have the best of both worlds.

:D
[Xperia Z5 General] Katsigaros:
Nice comparison. But i believe in daylight conditions (where we mostly use it) the pixel-peeping detail is "better" at Z5 so overall the Z5 seems to be better.
[Xperia Z5 General] mathen:
Thanks for the post,I was planning to swap galaxy s6 with z5.You saved my money ....
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
I didn't compare daylight pics... feed that sensor with enough light, and it produces excellent results. Low light has been an area of concern in several reviews, so I wanted to clearly understand what was going on. What I find with Superior Auto is that one must be cognizant of the on-screen icons to get the best results.

The Z5 tries to keep objects from blurring, which means in some shots, it will increase shutter speed and ISO. In testing the G4, I've had a few pics that were blurred (in indoor lighting). Reviews take pics of stationary objects and claim those are "real world" tests, and don't take pics of family, for example. Guess they never tried getting children to sit still. LOL!

:eek:

IMHO, I don't see a compelling reason to choose the Z5 above the S6 or G4, except for the taking videos. Personally, taking good family vids is a pretty big selling point, so the Z5 was the obvious choice.

:o
[Xperia Z5 General] gavinfabl:
Ok I have done some testing of the Z5 camera sensor http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/11/02/sony-xperia-z5-compact-camera-shots-from-the-23mp-sensor/

There are also some links to some iPhone 6S Plus photos taken at same time for comparison.