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[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Yes i tested Lumia 1020 quite extensively when it came to the market. It has a nice camera software features and user interface as a camera. Nokia was the only one with a proper native camera app for years. LG G4 was the first android phone with a proper camera app. Actually G4 surpassed Nokia/Microsoft with its camera app in many ways. Also Samsung's Note 5/S6e+ introduced a nice camera app for photographers.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Yeah it seems they dumb it down even though the Z1+ line as is outclasses all other mobile cameras in most situations excluding computer based heavy post-processing. They need to allow more freedom. For example the IMX220 is cappable of atleast 20s shutter speed at full resolution. Scene selection works perfectly at full res, my Z1 does it at 21MP and outdoes my Z5c in most scenarios. High ISO my Z1 at 21MP and Superior Auto just is a notch above Z5c SA 8MP.
[Xperia Z5 General] sstanton86:
N0whereMan - just in reference to your earlier post about dxOMark. Were you saying they couldn't have got the score wrong because of their standing in the photography world, or were you being sarcastic? Sorry couldn't tell, getting late here ?

I disagreed with their assessment so much so, I was genuinely convinced at some point that Sony may have paid them to essentially endorse their claims of it being the best smartphone camera. I was so utterly unimpressed with my model (actually had 2x) that I just couldn't believe they had given that score. Tbh I'm still skeptical about it even now.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I wasn't being sarcastic about DxOMark. Z5 delivers very good image quality in good and low light. I think DxoMark's review is spot on. We have to remember that DxOMark does not review/compare camera app features or user interface. I believe the main reason why so many non-photographers are disappointed in Z5's camera is the unique ultra wide-angle lens. Ultra wide-angle lenses have special characteristics, and most non-photographers have no previous experience with this kind of lenses.
[Xperia Z5 General] mbeni007:
I will agree the wide angle lens was a sweet surprise. Funny enough, I didn't even realize it was wide angle until I was trying to take some macro shots and I was pretty much IN my subject. Lol. Very cooperative butterfly, may I add.

I think one point to note for many is low light is different than no light. Someone here or elsewhere mentioned that. In low light, with a static object it's a great camera. On a recent trip to Key West, I had zero issues for sunset pictures.

I do have to say that in certain situations, Sony kicks up the ISO in an effort to get an easy photo and that mixed with their post processing muddies up some photos. I believe more than anything the software is to blame here. It is trying to compensate for low light and the good intentions tend to ruin some pics.

I've learned to just leave the camera in superior auto (yes it ruins some of the fun compared to manual mode, but I've learned to let go) and trust it'll take a great picture. More often than not, it does.

If I want to get creative, I'll grab my Nikon and know it'll be a great pic. DSLRs are still the way to go for the best pics.

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On a different note, I'm trying to find camera apps that allow for pictures to be taken at 23 Mp. I know the cyanogen camera does this. Are there any other apps we have found that break out of 8 Mp?
[Xperia Z5 General] Unlimate:
guys yesterday i updated xperia z5 compact camera to latest version and i cant change ISO settings when i am selecting 20 or 23 MP + scene selection is disabled only HDR is working WTF it this? SONY lied again to us? or this is glitch only?
[Xperia Z5 General] DeathStroke:
You can change settings upto 8mp only. Not at above that.

Sent from Z5 E6683
[Xperia Z5 General] styxter:
Hope sony added a a auto mode with adjustable setting like iso and others so that beginners like me can practice better settings. And i think full manual where we can go up to physical limitations of the camera. As for now z5 is cheap here 524 usd and for z6 is only less than 630 usd but waiting for after mwc if ever z6 arrvies ill go z6 since 2 + years is my next upgrade again.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Is the shutter lag due to software or hardware? I just saw a video of the Xperia X where its shutter appears much faster than the Z5....
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Software. They should also implement continious auto focus mode. ProCapture plus continious auto focus on my Z1 gives me instant photos at 21MP. Will try it on my Z5c once they fix for full resolution photos with third party in MM.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
yeah, even 8MP has shutter lag. I tried Facebook messenger and there's no lag.

I feel like the Xperia X Performance just killed the Z5, except the screen being smaller.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
There is a similar thing already on Z5 - focus following the object.

But YES they should add it to Z5!

And also other manual settings.

ProCapture is somewhat underwhelming on Z5...
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Does anyone know what sensor the X/X Performance use?
[Xperia Z5 General] zacharias.maladroit:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/22/11075574/lightroom-android-update-shoot-raw-photos Lightroom can now shoot RAW photos on Android

Satisfied now ? ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Tried it 2 days ago but it only support 8mp and the app get slow and freeze.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Ah yes though I was more thinking about just focusing without any particular object in mind just ready to capture whole scene when looking around. Else it might just get modded in. Either way they both do good and Z5 can only get better with new updates. Hoppefully they add the Xperia X prediction engine software component.

Also really impressed by the 8MP 4:3 apsect ratio, supersampling the camera does. Same for my Z1 with Z5 camera mod package. Atleast upto ISO 3200 it does provide better photos or equal to 21MP or 23MP (full resolution photos downscaled to 2448x3264, lanczos, or bicubic sharpen/no sharpen for comparision).

Full resolution downscaled to same res just have more noise although a bit more detail preservation and contrast edges are "jittery" as in looking slightly disolved while 8MP has clear edges, less noise and the whole photo composition just looks better. Applying standard sharpening it pretty much equals lanczos (downsample with sharpening) downscaled 21/23MP photo samples yet looking quite a bit cleaner.

Though at ISO 1600-3200 the noise reduction strenght increases (BIONZ algorithms are dynamic based on captured data, ISO and so on) but it does a fantastic jobb in keeping details while giving relatively clean photos. Aint seen no other phone camera photos (downscaled to 2448x3264) that comes even close in detail reproduction, color accuracy and amount of noise as both phones at 1600+ in 8MP mode.

1/8 and ISO 3200 just smokes the competition using ISO at or below 2700 (but at or above 1000)!

BIONZ does a fantastic jobb in detail construction and composition with captured information. Took quite some work in Photoshop to even make the full resolution photos match the 8MP BIONZ processed ones.

So in short BIONZ and the algorithms where better than I thought for the Z5 and Z1 (Z1 with Z5 mods else not as good). :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] Dpk1:
There are inconsistencies in the Z5 camera (software) and there is definitely room for a lot of improvement (esp speed), but the sensor as is shows promise!
[Xperia Z5 General] zacharias.maladroit:
In the context of this - anyone tried out the following mod:

http://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271

?

it at least sounds promising
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
I would avoid it as it is scamware IMO. For example 15,5MP 16:9 mode has been relabeled to "20MP 16:9". "BIONZ enable /disable" is just the digital stabilisation system enable/disable and more shady things are present. Moreover it is the 4k/Timeshift mod, Z5 Camera Libs Mod, Camera 2.0 20MP edition by "JJwrongjj" and Zezadas Camera mod all in one with no credit given. Consider that all these files in this mod have access to most of your system like sms, telephone, settings and much more.

Food mode you get by copying the "libexcal_food_comp_plugin" and "libexcal_food_detector_plugin" to camera libs folder in system on non Z5/Z3+ phones.
[Xperia Z5 General] Dusky_Nembrotha:
Has anyone else noticed that the left-hand side blue is more noticeable when photographing distant subjects?

This landscape photo shows clear left hand blur:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO19bEKY9TKSURCVlE4aXhoelk/view?usp=sharing

But with the same setting & orientation, it is much less obvious here (there is still some blue but this could be attributed to the wide angle lens):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO19bEKY9TKMjhmYlhlbkZFdjg/view?usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
I've been experimenting with my newly arrived Z5 and boy is this blur issue weird!

As you say, I can see it more distinctly when photographing a landscape. But even then, in the blurry mess at the edges, straight lines such as roads, sidewalks or electric lines can appear quite sharp. Sometimes I'd even think that the blur on my photos is ascribable to very fscked-up software processing! It's astonishing how in a single picture processing algorithms can get some stuff amazingly right, almost-Pureview kind of right, and then can get some other stuff so incredibly wrong, let's say my 2007 Samsung i600 kind of wrong. I'm puzzled. Sure it speaks well of the hardware, not so well of the software. Too. Bloody. Inconsistent.

BTW, the edge of my phone near the camera and volume buttons is already slightly scratched even though I am treating it like it was my own child. Well done Sony *kiss*.

Anyway I like my Z5 very much *__*

Will post pictures as soon as I find time.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Interesting, have mine for some months and have no single scratch..

But I always have a pouch.

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BTW did anyone start a thread on Sony Support forums regarding extended Manual features on our phones?
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
The lens blur is mainly a hardware problem - the optics are poor and in some units you can see ghosting and severe chromatic aberration at the corners. The image processing does contribute to it though, because out-of-focus spots tend to be more suspect to smearing than areas in focus. When I first bought mine there was considerable blur on the left and I quickly had it repaired by Sony Taiwan. It's much sharper now on the left, but the edges are still blurred on both sides (which is considered to be normal). Taking video exhibits less blur because of more aggressive sharpening and a slightly zoomed-in frame.
[Xperia Z5 General] N43:
Hi@all!

Somehow the automatic setting on the camera and HDR make a photo look worse (too much blur).

Today I tried some settings and the best I could found:

- Manual

- no HDR

- 20 MPx (16:9, the possibility to cut off blurry edges on photos xD ), tried also 8 MPx

- MultiFocus

- Mesure: Multi or on point

(Translated from german)

Kind regards
[Xperia Z5 General] coldtech:
I'm not sure where some people get their opinion that the Z5 camera is good (even in daylight). I got mine a few days ago, and I tried low light, daylight, close-ups, 23 MP, 8 MP...but every single photo I took is much worse (especially when it comes to detail) than the same photos I took using my Moto X Play (which admittedly has a great camera, especially for a Motorola phone). I really want to like the Z5, but man am I disappointed in the camera. I even tried two different Z5s, but picture quality was the same.

I get that the lense is wide angle and everything, and that it is different from other phone cameras on the market. But I want to take a picture and have it come out nice, like I did with every other phone so far.

I have some hope left that it might improve with Marshmallow, since I guess it's mostly a software issue. I have no other logical way of explaining why Sony is able to deliver great camera hardware to other phone manufacturers, but produces such crappy images on their own phones.
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
Wide angle is great, yes, but there's no reason why a 24mm equivalent should perform so bad on the edges, while a 26mm equivalent (admittedly on a much larger sensor, on my Nokia 808) is ultra-sharp everywhere. There is no excuse. There is no excuse for a processing that sometimes reminds me of my first digital camera.

I have paid some hard earned money on this Z5, so I try to be happy with its pictures as well – and what puzzles me the most is that I cat get some surprisingly acceptable results in low light, when my 808 would just set too slow a shutter speed and my photos would turn out blurry due to shake.

But so far I cannot accept so lousy software it makes me want to scream.

No bracketing, no burst mode. No burst mode? Srsly?? I just discovered that it's missing. Very inconvenient access to useful controls such as resolution, exposure, focus mode. Everything is too many taps away. Sony should have a look at other camera interfaces and take inspiration. Or at least just simulate the interface of a 4.5-year-old NEX 5N, or straight out copy the Nokia 808 camera interface itself, which had nothing more than the strict necessary but still was miles and miles better than what we have now! Or just open up APIs for third party cameras, if they don't have the time or resources to devote to improving their own app.

I know these things have been refrained over and over on these boards, but after buying a supposedly decent camera I want to make my voice heard where I can.
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
you guys complain about the camera quality but here's their answer

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_partne...ce_awesome_videos_on_xperia_z5-blog-17095.php
[Xperia Z5 General] Pandemic:
Lol

My sister have a Z5 and the photos are EPIC compared to my Z3 and the Z5 have the best camera of 2015 !

But my Z3 camera still opens faster ^^

“Sent From MWE V9.5.0 On My Z3”
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Is the shutter lag improved with Marshmallow? It seemed to be much faster in the Xperia X Performance...
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I've seen it already.

Anyway there is much more on Sony Blogs.

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/press_r...ting-moments-with-sonys-xperia-z5-smartphone/

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/12/02/5-xperia-z5-camera-features-you-should-be-using/

And here!

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/11...photography-at-dawn-with-chaitanya-desphande/
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Still so much hate for Sony z5 series!!why
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
Nice videos indeed, thank you for sharing. But I never talked about videos... I am concerned with still picture performance.

BTW I am very interested in being happy with my phone given that it was my choice to buy a Z5 rather than, say, a G4, an S6 or a Note 4/5.

But heck I am travelling with both the Z5 and the 808 on me... Lens sharpness is horrible on Z5. And noise reduction is far too invasive, destroying textures that should be retained. I can accept lenses being made of jelly an' everything, but software processing must be fixed. More conservative processing would give better results in all conditions except maybe for very low light shots. C'mon Sony, give us more manual controls over such aspects or just RAW and we will stop complaining.
[Xperia Z5 General] MTechRD:
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[Xperia Z5 General] kadimatik:
MM supported Camera2 API without RAW. l am using Manual Camera now. To test https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.vipek.camera2_compatibility_test
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Good news... Any improvement regarding the autofocus?

About half the shots are randomly blurry with the Z5, as noted by DxOmark (first 4 pictures):

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/2658453908/sony-xperia-z5-camera-review?page=6

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First shot:

[IMG="First shot"]http://connect.dpreview.com/files/p/cms_posts/2658453908/sample_bright5crop.jpg[/IMG]

Second shot:

[IMG="Second shot"]http://connect.dpreview.com/files/p/cms_posts/2658453908/sample_bright6crop.jpg[/IMG]

Autofocus seems to be a lotery with the Z5.

Comparison between Z1 and Z5 (see how the Z5 shot is blurry, really a lotery...):

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=64550786&postcount=2382

Really wonder if this has been fixed.

[MENTION=6922850]EQ2000[/MENTION] [MENTION=7146050]N0whereMan[/MENTION]
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Marshmallow: any improvements,....

MM dropped to my Z5 OTA last night. Been testing the camera and it's tricky to say for certain if anything has been tweaked, though there are certain signs that suggest something in the algorithm is different. For one, the 5x Zoom seems to have a touch less sharpening noise. It may be my imagination too, but Night Mode seems to launch more often in SA. And it's very good, at 8MP - though I thought that before the update.

Will continue playing and let y'all know if I come to any solid conclusions: it could all be a placebo, at this point. And better Spring light.

(On an entirely unrelated note: I've been ravenously eating up sample shots from the Galaxy S7,... is anyone else less-than-impressed by it's night prowess? I actually think that the S6 output was much better: it's full of noise.)
[Xperia Z5 General] Silverdace:
Just adding my 2 cents.

I've had every z phone and they've all suffered from Sony's odd post processing which leads to massive detail loss. The wide angle lens introduced in z3 series added more problems.

I think Sony spent money on marketing the camera and paying off reviewers, not on actually improving their camera.

The 23mp is great for marketing and wide angle lens looks good in store so both help sell the phone to those without experience with Xperia phones.

The reality it seems is that both marketing superlatives degrade image quality. Sony have been constantly behind Samsung and LG when it comes to phone cameras and this is unlikely to change given Sony views Xperia as a loss leader.

I still enjoy the phones because of other aspects. The camera button, battery life, lanyard hole, front facing speakers and general ui.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
So far the photos I've taken with the Z5c have been sharp with slight bluriness on edges but no fuzzyness nor ghosting so lenses are correctly aligned. But it seems it is a bit of a lottery for release samples. Was same with the Z1 where some had misslaligned lenses. For example the GSM Arena review of the Z1 the lenses are so missaligned that about 40% of the captured area is fuzzy and shows ghosting problem. My Z5c is rev 2.

Z1 though while still being wide angle sensor seems to have it quite well balanced with the lens so there is no blur on edges (or barely any) holding hands relatively still. Z5c has soft edges but it doesn't disturb and when scaling down it is greatly negated. I would think that missaligned lenses can make the focus system fail sometimes.

As for focus that would be a something to tune though for best focus one should use the Sony camera app as it has superior focusing cappabilities vs 3rd party. On the Z1 3rd party camera apps can sometimes have problems locking a solid focus in very low light, low contrast scenes like for example aiming at the sky. Sony camera app has no problem.
[Xperia Z5 General] swooc:
on lollipop, it's the same minus manual white balance. which is strange because you can adjust white balance on the sony camera app, unless manual being total control of colour temps?

shutter speed being ticked is strange as well as i can't adjust it at free will on fv-5. on the sony camera app, you are able to adjust shutter speed but limited and hidden through the use of EV compensation. i imagine this is the same on MM as well.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
The only thing sony can do is to provide Raw support in next software update, may be they can update with 6.0.1, may be i am feeling more optimistic for sony
[Xperia Z5 General] Duckly2:
It is working now in fv-5 after I updaated to MM, in manual mode you can change both ISO and shutterspeed. It works really good with the live histogram activated at the same time.

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I managed to get fv-5 to take a picture at iso 50 and shutterspeed 0,8 sec. Sony camera app would use 1/10 shutterspeed with iso 50 at its best with a completely black picture where fv-5 had better success with 0,8 sec. Fv-5 will change resolution to 2mp when shutterspeed 1 sec or longer is selected.

Sadly it seems fv-5 is not stable under mm, I have had some instances where it refused to autofocus requirering multiply restarts of the app to get it working again.

Sorry for the choice of motive, it was the only location in our house that I could get sufficiently dark during daytime :)

"Stock Sony app, iso 50 auto"

FV-5 ISO 50 long exposure 0,8 sec 8mp resolution"]

Cannot post images yet until I have made 10 posts
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Will check files once released here and compare CRC to see if they changed algorithms. As for the S7 I agree, it does moderately good but far worse than Sonys Xperia Z1+ line. The biggest issue on the S7 besides tending to go overboard with sharpening and noise reduction which smoothes out to much and gives a bad fake plastic look (often easily visible around fine-grain detail like branches and leaves) is that it also when post-processing brightens up the image by tweaking curves. Most software does this but should be catiously used to extract detail from low contrast areas. Samsung goes overboard often giving it the 'fake ISO' look where black turns grey. Xperia Z1+ phones give quite a bit better low light photos same ISO for ISO and shutter speed while not even having to resort to major curve tweaking just minor or barely any and it does it selectively in a often excellent way. I assume the BIONZ is really a power beast for such dedicated tasks but sensors in Sonys phones are just better even though older and they are coupled with great optics.

It's just now that Samsung is starting use similar tech that Sony already employed in their mobiles years ago. I think Iphone 6s also got a bit of it but it relies mostly on multi-frame photo composition to create higher ISO like the Nexus 6p HDR+ does. Xperia Z1+ also does this but only when doing ISO 6400 (atleast the Z1) else not. Problem is you need to keep scene static else you get ghosting and bluriness. Haven't checked it fully out for the Z5c though but it should do better. :cool:

I guess you could say the S6 gives more detail and less blur but it also has way to much curve tweaking as the S7 but just much worse for same low light situations. S6 just turns to a mess at ISO 1000+ and low light while S7 does better. Both S6 and S7 also automatically (atleast in auto mode) if stable does multi-frame capture in low light to create improved noise reduction. Why some S6/S7 photos at say ISO 1000 looks bad and others much cleaner. Scene has to be static though and mobile firm. Same concept you can find in ProCapture camera app and their noise reduction mode.

Photo example of the S7 post-processing and curves.

Without HDR enabled.

With HDR enabled.

Sony avoids this in most cases and dont go overboard like that keeping blacks deep and rich aswell as colors punchy and representation of captured scene is far better.

And a Z1 sample from manual mode 8MP, 1/8 ISO 3200. Little and smart use of brightening via the changing curves despite high ISO of 3200 keeping the blacks quite well, global contrast and colors punchy despite heavy tungsten lighting! :cool:

Manual mode, 1/8 ISO 1600 of same scene two days apart around same time. :cool: