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[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
I am hoping, sony will do some software updates for this postprocessing issues...

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So far I am quite happy with the camera of sony z5...here is a link of SA mode

https://flic.kr/p/BNF7K8

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Thanks [MENTION=5126759]Timaustin2000[/MENTION] for replying...
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Thanks [MENTION=5126759]Timaustin2000[/MENTION] for replying...

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Thanks for replying tim
[Xperia Z5 General] MartinsModesto:
Sorry for say that but my xperia Z5 doesn't shot like that, you are forced the phone to make it really bad like that??
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Hi@martinsmodesto..I didn't get your statement. Plz explain clearly
[Xperia Z5 General] abrahamjones:
I am pretty sure it is stated before but let me put it again for those who may not find it: I have no photographing skills and my Z5 is rooted. For daylight shots Superior Auto mode is great but for low light/indoor (using Camera app 2.0) Manual mode with Night Scene does really great job. Attached pictures are with Superior Auto and Manual that I am very much surprised
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Night scene is great provided you can hold the phone steady (which is hard for some). For me, I just tend to leave it at Manual without any scenes off. Based on experience, ISO at that level is already at an acceptable level. Below is an estimate on different ISO levels that you will get using the different settings during low-light shots:

Superior Auto (no scene selected): 800 ISO

Superior Auto (night-scene deteced): 600+ ISO

Manual (no scene selected): 400 ISO (usually around half of the one in Superior Auto)

Night Portrait: 200-300+ ISO

Night Scene: 100+ ISO

Again, the above are just estimates based on my observation. Of course, there's also the factor of shutter speed, but I noticed that only Night Portrait and Night Scene adjusts noticeable shutter speed (with Night Scene having a much slower shutter speed).

Just my 2 cents :)
[Xperia Z5 General] abrahamjones:
The Exposure Triangle sounds like the name of a complex spy novel, but in reality this is the term used for the three fundamental elements of exposure: aperture, shutter speed and ISO.

This is a quote from a website. I believe "night scene" sets right parameters for 3 of these.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Night Scene/Landscape is good only for tripod/steady ground.

1s or 1/2s shutter speed is a disaster even for steady hands.
[Xperia Z5 General] phonejunkie30:
The camera seems great to me so far
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Everything is fine with the camera hardware its the software that is taking toll...sony bionz needs to be upgraded...here is picture of coconut trees 4x zoomed
[Xperia Z5 General] chrisully:
Sony have stopped any non Sony app from above 8mp
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
3rd party apps would have done wonders with such type of hardware

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Sony team please sort out this issue asap
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
Or maybe the hardware just isn't what's listed on the box it makes no sense why they all of the sudden went the apple direction
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
I'm hoping the marshmallow update is huge and fixes all these issues still a great phone though
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Is there any possibility that we can install Samsung Galaxy s6 camera apk on Sony z5...just curious??
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Panoramic pictures are pathetic..bad software as usual...sony bionz sucks. Low ends phones take better panorama than sony z5...
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
And destroy image quality?

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Yeah and that they haven't changed this on all Xperias Z1+ phones. The problem is the panoramic photo is heavily compressed giving a filesize of less than a Megabyte when it should be around 20MB or more. Either incompetence or just ignorance.

However BIONZ and the algorithms are quite good and have nothing to do with panoramic photo filesize. You could use third party camera app with panoramic feature.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Thanks [MENTION=6922850]EQ2000[/MENTION] ?
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Here is a quick photo taken from road side...I love the colours reproduction.
[Xperia Z5 General] abrahamjones:
Yeah I see what you are saying. What is a good way to take good lo light pictures with this phone?
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Night Portrait mode which gives you 1/4 to 1/6 shutter speed and upto ISO 800. Requires fairly stable hands. High ISO mode can be good to. When you are going to capture a photo press the capture button but dont release it so that it focuses and is ready. Release finger and it will instantly take a photo instead of first focusing then taking photo which during that time you might lose stability.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I have two scenarios.

For a night landscape with a steady position the Night Landscape is perfect.

For all the other lowlight shots I always use full manual 8mpx, with a control of ISO, white balance and light metering. All those things influence the end result and have to be applied accordingly.

Usually the best results are captured with the lowest ISO possible (in full manual) with usually tap to focus. That gives a very clean and detailed view. High ISO usually gives more noise. The night landscape is this - very low ISO but with a very long exposure, that results in a very clean shot with a little noise.

I hope that helps. 99% of my shots on Flickr are done this way.

P.S. My ISO is usually in 50 - 400 range.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Example, Late night shot, very dark

Night Landscape Mode, phone steady.

25 Dec 2015 Bytom by doministry, on Flickr

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Example 2

All Manual 8mpx with just ISO very low, touch-to-focus

Corridor by doministry, on Flickr

Nght by doministry, on Flickr

Warsaw 4 by doministry, on Flickr

P.S. All with some filters.
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Cool. Does that mean you usually use a tripod though?
[Xperia Z5 General] anasgets111:
Testing my new phone at Work, and that's what I got :)

Z5 with SA in a really dark area.

[IMG="Z5 with SA"]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--eL9BSN11qg/Vnj4d4YQQuI/AAAAAAAAE9c/buo7zrnCjuE/w1538-h865-no/15%2B-%2B1[/IMG]
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
This means I don't have a tripod and shoot from the hand.

Steady surface is used rarely.
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Wow, I wish I had your hands :)
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
From the examples above the night dark city was made on steady-like-tripod surface.

The other ones from the hand. Sometimes you have to make 2 or 3 attempts ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
it's a tricky camera the picture above is great i have done some great shots with it too but as mentioned it sometimes takes 2-3 attempts to get it right.

But hands down in bright daylight this phone is quite good but it still requires alot of pations so for those quick one in a milion shots a real camera would be the prefered choice

i think if you have the patience and the right conditions this camera is the way to go i'm looking forward to summertime where i think this phone will realy deliver cause it gets the colours just right wich is important ofcause you can always edit them afterwards a funny datail is when taking pictures of my cat who is a black cat with stripes my z5 can't get the stripes but my samsung s5 does.

when it comes to macro shots it's almost impossible with the z5 but my s5 does a great job i remember my one x had the same problem but after installing a costum rom it was able to take macros of some bees collecting nectar and it was quite good at that time so maybe it's just a sofware issue let's hope so i see alot of the same complaints on the sony forums and many have reverted back to their z3's and alot of used phone stores here in copenhagen are selling brand new z5's a little cheaper than regular price and for me that alone is a sign that the phone did not deliver on it's promise plus sone should have made it clear that they used a closed api so no 3rd party app could be used hopefully they will release it som devs can update their apps to the z5 if i had know that i would not have bourgt the phone, so next time i'm out shopping for a new phone i'll download the phone spec app and a 3rd party camera in the store just to test it before i buy it i was already scepticla when i noticed they removed the magnetic charger and that's the reason i still hang on to my z2 taplet cause it does what it's supposed to do, and yes it also has the grean red purple pixels scattered all over the screen when it shows a black screen
[Xperia Z5 General] w1000i:
At night choose night mode in your Z5 camera. which will give better pic.

Night Mode 8MP

[IMG="http://cdn.top4top.co/p_559vjjx2.jpg"]http://cdn.top4top.co/p_559vjjx2.jpg[/IMG]

Auto 23MP

[IMG="http://cdn.top4top.co/p_559v06d3.jpg"]http://cdn.top4top.co/p_559v06d3.jpg[/IMG]
[Xperia Z5 General] raymondtong94:
i know right. there are certain scenes that i chose the night scene mode to begin with.
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
Z5 at dawn
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
Z5 at dawn2
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
Sgs5 at dawn
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
Sgs5 at dawn 2
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
People keep posting resized photos just to make their camera look good, whenever that happens i just ignore those photos because you cannot judge the camera quality at all... photos like those are so irrelevant that makes me wonder why people even post them.
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
If the pic is resized it's the xda app that does it the pics are uploaded directly from the gallery moments after they were shot
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
Try a different service like flickr or postimage, those only resize if you allow it to.

Its extremely difficult to tell the quality of the camera based on resized pictures because nice photos doesnt mean the camera is great, just the photographer.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Would somebody please kindly give me ONE example of a product where the camera app was updated and suddenly provided good sharpness, details, and so on. Please, somebody give ONE example, with a reference.

This would give me hope. Hope that the Z5 camera issues can be fixed with updated software, and that these issues do not come from the hardware (eg. lens).
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Huh? There's nothing wrong with the detail. It's a 24mm lens. Objects are going to be optically smaller. There are some scattered pics in the forum where comparisons have been properly taken with the same FOV. I believe manilashaker (Youtube) has posted some pics with the corrected FOV.

The differences between the phones aren't huge, as they all use small image sensors. As I said before, what is far superior is the Z5's video recording. Try that and you'd never go back to OIS stabilized video.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Z1 uppgrade (early)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2496559

Z2 uppgrade (later)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59508863&postcount=894
[Xperia Z5 General] Sandmannet:
I was thinking buy this phone to my mother, but after this not...(she's a very fussy person :p )
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Even at that size the Samsung Galaxy S5 photos are horrible. Also they look to have been taken with Camera ZOOM FX and tweaked afterwards in the camera app or automatically by the app alt A Better Camera (I see some similarities in how the image has been modified due to having used ZOOM FX and ABC before). Anyway the histogram for those SGS5 photos would be a "Quasimodo"!
[Xperia Z5 General] EricLandis:
I'm planning to buy a xperia z5 but i when i see this camera pic. I think i'll switch to another phone.
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
Picture of the stm10 mic

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vu3xj6bzjiujib/sonyz5.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k4usvcgflio2c04/samsungs5.jpg?dl=0
[Xperia Z5 General] decomposed:
Comparison is fail as Galaxy S5 takes picture closer to the object due to vide angle lens used in Z5,

take both in such a way the distance to the object will be same and then compare... + ...

It was discussed and explained so many times, but it seems some still does not understand it.
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
I use a mount and i adjust them both until they have a clear focus so does this mean the z5 is not able to get high detail closeups the z3 did that very well, how can the comparison be a fail if this is what a user also want with the package the sony does some great photos in daylight, but when you use it to take pictures of dark objects it fails cause it can't show the details. Eg taking pictures of a black cat can be extremely hard and the flash is not bright enough to show the full detail, if they packed a xenon flash like the sony erricsson k800i had or the lumia 1020 packs, i have done many tests with different phones and dslr's and sony does make some good cameras i often use the qx10 on my phone instead of the build in because it gets the ressaults i want and having a phone with a camera should be an easy task where you don't have to go through menus and personal presets, often phone cameras are used quickly take a photo but if you have to adjust the settings every time you might not get that shot,

But it do have a very good colour representation they tend to stick true to natural. But all in all i was happier with my z3 because it did what it was supposed to do sure there was a few bad photos but not as many as i had with the new z5 if you look at the sony forums you will see a lot of people reverting to their z3' and z2's and there must be a reason for that when so many people complain about it
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
Relax guys, the phone camera is great, there were some problems with the lenses of the phone resulting in blurry edged photos, thats why there were so many complaints, as for the black details, i hope youll realise that most phones are not able to capture much details of colors so similar to eachother, for macro shots yes, the phone isnt meant for it, but its wide angle lens will have much bigger benefits because normally youll always need to walk few steps back to capture more scenery with normal phones when with the xperia z5 you actually think to walk closer to the subject :P

I see no reason why people complain for its camera, its excelent and much better than my old xperia z1 compact, also, i took some shots with xperia z5, galaxy s6 (sony imx 240 sensor) and galaxy s6 (isocell sensor) and all the times i prefered the xperia z5 crisp quality and sharp details rather than the washed out colors of isocell and less than crisp details the further moving from the center (caused by the lens beying f1.9 which will result in significantly more blurr).
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Like John McEnroe used to say, you CANNOT be serious, man.

I mean, look at THIS:

http://www.phonearena.com/image.php?m=Articles.Images&f=name&id=220368&popup=1

and then look at the various photos.

I mean, there IS a problem with overall blur, I'm not crazy! (and noise... but blur first, I think)

I know the FOV of the Z5 is wider, but STILL, man. That's hell of a blur to me. Isn't it? Maybe I am crazy.

Do you guys acknowledge that on your device? Do you get rid of that in 8MP shoot mode?
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
I can tell you right now with a firm steady hand and auto mode at 8mp at night, the shots are excelent, if you take low light shots with full 23mp ofc its gonna look bad, try it for yourself and ull see itll become much better at 8mp than 23mp at night, that shot you showed me is very ugly and blurry but it doesnt say if the camera was shaken (xperia z5 has no OIS) nor it says what settings were used for the xperia z5 photo, i took some night shots with it and they were pretty good, not better or as good as lg g4 but still not blurry like that.

EDIT: I forgot to mention in daylight the camera is amazing even at 23mp, details are crisp quality and very sharp if you want i can post a photo or two of daylight shots.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
But looking at your post history you already own a Z5, Nexus 6p and the Samsung s6 edge+..

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Dont bother as it is biased. The Z5 isn't focusing properly as you have the out-of-focus bokeh depth blur on the mic. Either an error by the phone (infinite focus either by auto system or user) or edited with image editor to make it look out of focus. Bokeh also looks strange and uneven like it was "finger painted" onto it in editor.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
Sometimes i really wonder if people even own the phone when i see such absurd complains like these and such horrible crappy shots... DXO Mark rated xperia z5 the best camera phone out there, even at GSMArena blind camera test comparison revealed later that the best voted camera picture quality was Xperia Z5, i also have owned it and the pictures it takes are unrivaled with the right settings...
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
All those reviews are made with old firmware and old camera software. With latest firmware and new camera software pictures are great.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
https://flic.kr/p/CKfXhm

Cropped after taking picture
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
You really mean the Z5 can compare with the Note5 blur-free quality now?

And sorry to be this specific - this is very important to me.

See the photos of the first post of this thread where the blur story started:

http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z5/general/disappointed-z5-camera-pictures-quality-t3217766

I cannot see a direct comparaison between the old and the new camera app and firmware wrt picture quality.

If anyone has one, I'd be glad to see it. This is the only big 'dislike' that is holding me off the Z5 (Compact)
[Xperia Z5 General] WinterSkies:
Sorry, I might be an ignorant fool, but I really believe there is no darn way on earth the blur/softening problem in the picture linked in the post you quoted can be caused or solved by firmware and software.
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Are you aware that the photos you are referring to as basis comes from phone arena? One of the MOST BIASED sites against Sony? I would take those pictures with a grain of salt (if even any).

I would suggest you look for other comparisons and not just base it on one and call it a day. Personally, reviews I saw are a mixed bag, you have those praising the camera, and those saying the camera is trash. Frankly, I just think Z5 in auto-mode is subpar compared to the auto-mode of other phones. But given people knowing how to handle the phone? I doubt it.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Z5 has a good quality ultra wide angle lens, great sensor and good post-processing is being applied to the images. The optical resolution of the Z5's camera is very close to Note 5's resolving power. When the much wider lens is factored in, Z5 is able to resolve more detail as a whole.

If you really don't understand what Z5's wider angle lens means in terms of resolved detail, i think you will be happier with a Note 5.

The camera app is substandard, especially the auto mode. If you are planning on using the auto mode, i would recommend to stay away from Z5. Also, the soft corners of Z5's images are feature of the ultra wide angle lens. The soft corners do not mean that the lens is of bad quality.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Why would I believe you when you say Phonearena.com is biased, and against Sony?

Also, why do you give a Sony link pointing to Walmart?? Something I'm missing here!

Could you please point me to an impartial review from a trustworthy souce clearly demonstrating the Z5 image clarity? All the reviews I see demonstrate the Z5's great ability to deal with colors, which feel both vibrant and natural.

Seen in fullscreen S6 or 6S pictures look more crisp and clear than Z5's. This is mitigated by the fact the Z5 has a much wider-angle lens. I am obviously aware that more details show up in a reduced amount of pixels, hence a de-facto blur, with the Z5, due to the wider FOV. But still man, still! It does seem like overall blur sometimes.

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I am very, very skeptical too, despite having some experience with image processing.

When taking a 23MP pic, raw, and blurry, I doubt there is such a thing as 'de-blur', after the fact. In other words, blurry RAW does not easily become crisp RGB. But I might be wrong.

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I do know what a wide-angle lens means, implies and how to take benefit from it. I think this is an advantage of the Z5, at the price of having blurry edges. I already said I don't mind. Even better: this is something I am specifically interested in, as I love shooting landscapes, I love depth of field, and close-ups with out of focus zones.

The overall blurriness looks bad to me. There IS overall blurriness. And again, the blurriness I see on the pics are beyond what I would allow considering the wider FOV of the Z5 (I'm in 3D rendering so I know what FOV is, depth of field, blurriness, motion blur etc.)
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
Sony in 2 words good hardware bad software.

I believe Samsung and LG are better software wise cause they learned more things about development while building nexus phones from Google.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
Back in the old days, when you take a picture and it is blurry, you know you can't de-blur it. No software processing can do this. Software is not the solution for everthing.

Now, the focus is driven by software, true. This is SteadyShot's job, in Sony's terminology.

So does it mean that SteadyShot doesn't do its job? SteadyShot becomes BlurryShot?

Many, many sites mention blur problems when zooming in on the image, not just Phonearena. Not blurry edges, overall blur.

At the same time, some sites do show crisp and clear pictures with plenty of details, but not the majority.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Well, i have been a photographer for a long time. I have a lot of experience with different cameras. I also have studied photogrammetry and remote sensing in a university. I have a profound understanding of photography, cameras, sensors, optics and image processing. And i can tell you, Z5 has a very good camera hardware and post-processing. DxOMark is the only place i trust when it comes to camera equipment reviews. I fully agree with DxOMark's assessment of Z5's camera. It's not an accident that Z5 is on top their list.

Here are some pictures i have taken with my Z5 Premium (full resolution images are also available):

imageevent.com/tuomas_k/xperiaz5premium

Sorry i cant post a link, as i have too few post on this forum for that. Some of my photos are heavily post-processed, so be careful if you take a closer look.

My main reason for choosing Z5 Premium as my phone, was the camera. Especially the unique ultra wide angle lens. I love ultra wide angles, and Z5 provides the first high quality ultra wide angle images, in a package that fits in my jeans front pocket. I am very satisfied with my decision to go with Z5 Premium.

The camera app horrible, but i can live with it.
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
On XPERIA Z5 Sony have to work on photo procesing. I am hoping they will fix camera on the next Z series.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
So the camera is even better in Manual.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
I don't think there will be a huge difference in manual...
[Xperia Z5 General] guybrush2099:
I don't know s6...I tested s6 edge plus and my previous Z still cryin'...

s6 edge plus photo are so sharp and auto mode is really accurate..no plastic no unreal this time (i didn't like older samsung phone camera)

yes, z5 has more natural colors , true, but this can't be enough.......