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[Moto 360 2015] Caio 73:
Hi guys,

I am having some problems with my Huawei Watch, so I am thinking of exchanging it for a Moto 360 2nd gen. So I thought it would be good to hear from you, what made you choose the 360 over the Huawei watch when you picked yours up?

For me, I went first with the Huawei mostly because of the full circle. But after all the problems people (including me) are having with the screen, maybe the flat tyre is a small price to pay.

I'd like to hear your opinion on this. Why the moto 360?

Thanks!
[Moto 360 2015] Turbo Brian:
I have both. Since bestbuy didn't have them on display, I ordered a Huawei from Amazon and grabbed a moto from best buy locally. I've had the moto since Sunday and just received the Huawei today. I have the original moto too.

Some quick initial thoughts :

I have the black versions with black link bands for both. Even though they are the same height on paper, the moto looks and feels like it's thinner due to the case design. The lugs on the moto allow it to sit flatter on my arm. And I have the 46mm moto for reference. Also with the glass being above the bezel the moto is easier to swipe, IMO.

Screen is noticeably larger on the moto. But doesn't feel too big. I never considered the original big either but this one does look and feel more proportional; that is the band and body seem to match up better. The side button on the moto is less squishy and feels better.

I immediately noticed the Huawei's red screen issue during boot up in a dark room and on other black screens. Aside from that, the screen is great. More crisp given the higher dpi.

The light sensor on the moto is great. Down in my man cave watching tv in the dark the moto works wonders. The Huawei, even on 3, is still stupidly bright in a dark room especially if there is a white notification card or your watch face is white.

The low res pixelated ambient screen on the moto is my only significant complaint so far. Some faces look horrid. Sky master for example, looks great on the Huawei, but on the moto the tick marks are very messy in low res. I really hope a future update can address that or at least make it an option to change.

So far, I've been less impressed with the Huawei that I thought I would be. All the reviews made it sound like a killer watch but so far im leaning toward keeping the moto.
[Moto 360 2015] Caio 73:
Thank you Brian! Awesome post!

I actually don't mind the red tint on the HW screen, but I worry it might cause problems over time (like red sub pixel burn in for instance). And I don't know how well Huawei would deal with this.

Let me ask you something since you have them both: I know that the HW has greater ppi, but did you notice that it's got a pentile matrix like AMOLED phones (the subpixel matrix is not a grid)? Therefore every pixel is missing a subpixel. I don't know how sensitive you are for this, but for me it's very annoying. So even though the 360 has a theoretically lower res screen, it may look better because of the subpixel arrangement (in LCD displays usually the matrix is a grid, and every pixel has indeed 3 subpixels, there is no sharing subpixels).

Any thoughts on that?

And thank you again for sharing your experience.
[Moto 360 2015] Kinsman-UK:
This has been exactly the impressions I have had - even though I have never seen either of these 'in the flesh'. From all the reviews and videos, it seems clear that the Moto 360 sits much more neatly on the wrist even though most people seem to say the Huawei is marginally thinner (on specs, not visual perception). I have been wrestling with which one to get, but I'm slowly getting to 75%+ in favour of the Moto 360 42mm (small wrists here).

These have been my thoughts on the pros and cons of each - just my perceptions of what I've seen and read online, obviously I may be totally wrong about some of these!

Moto 360 Pros:

- Wireless charging, any Qi charger will work

- Apparent Size

- Leather strap seems to have more holes for different sized wrists

- Ambient light sensor

- Mic placement and sensitivity

- Price

- Stock faces seem nicer, more customisable

- Standard straps (20mm or 22mm)

- Vibration stronger?

- Angled lugs

- No obstructions to finger swiping (screen flush with bezel)

Moto Cons:

- The so called 'flat tire' (doesn't really bother me)

- LCD screen (not sure if this is a pro or con - seems better for bright sunlight?)

- Edge bevel on the glass? (Annoys some people, some think it adds to the look)

- Ambient mode blocky, and possible software issue: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/1a5cbb0aa8

Huawei Pros:

- AMOLED screen

- Full circle screen

- Ambient mode better

- Sapphire crystal

Huawei Cons:

- Apparent Size

- Price

- Leather strap seems to have less holes for different sized wrists

- Red screen tint issue (http://xdaforums.com/huawei-watch/general/huawei-screen-red-tint-issue-t3214209)

- Mic placement issue, people report that it doesn't pick up voice consistently (https://youtu.be/H_ISBzY96M0?t=5m43s)

- Weak vibration?

- Stock faces (don't appeal to me as much as the Moto ones)

- Raised bezel may interfere with finger swipes

- Non standard straps (18mm straps will fit, but the supplied strap itself is 22mm with 18mm between the lugs)

- Proprietary wired charger seems a bit fiddly, $40 for a replacement

- Straight lugs, rather than angled to fit around the wrist - makes them appear to 'wing' over small wrists

In particular, these two reviews have swayed my opinion even more in favour of the Moto 360:

http://www.androidcentral.com/review-moto-360-2015

http://www.androidcentral.com/huawei-watch-review

EDIT: Not interested in any of the fitness/step counting/heart rate stuff by the way - that's why none of that is mentioned in my list :)
[Moto 360 2015] Turbo Brian:
no, the pentile doesnt bother me and honestly its never been something ive been bothered by. i can see it in blownup screen shots and if i stick my eye super close to a device but in normal use, i cant tell. the sharpness (not counting the ambient low-res junk on the moto) is in favor of the huawei, though only slightly so. in normal usage at arms length its a non-issue. and i would bet if you had the smaller 42mm moto, you would be hard pressed to notice any difference.

to re-touch on the awesomeness of moto's light sensor, last night the huawei was bothering the wife while we watched TV because it was too damn bright whenever it lit up due to notification or arm movement. i ended up just putting it in theater mode all night. :eek:
[Moto 360 2015] Kinsman-UK:
Hi Brian - thanks for your insights! It's great that you have access to both, I can imagine there are quite a few people who would have some questions for you!

Could you comment on the mic sensitivity for each of these watches. How close you have to hold them to your mouth, how reliably they pick you up etc? How do they compare to using 'OK Google' on a phone? For example, my Note 4 seems to pick me up and understand exactly what I say almost without fail. Thanks.
[Moto 360 2015] Mister-B:
I don't own the Huawei but I did own a first gen Moto that got broken a few weeks ago. I was deciding on a replacement and finally got the second gen Moto in Black 46mm. Why? Firstly the Huawei is a lot more expensive. It doesn't have inductive charging and I don't like the shape. The Moto is the only truly round smartwatch out there. The LG and the Huawei are strangely shaped watches with round displays. The 8 bit ambient mode on the Moto serioulsy annoyed me at first and showed my favourite watch face as a blurry blocky mess. So I made my own and I think it's quite nice. It shows just enough information and is sufficiently discreet. I don't watch my watch glowing like a light house during meetings. Here's some pics. Sorry about the crappy quality of my phone camera.
[Moto 360 2015] Turbo Brian:
just tested some, and the moto is WAY more sensitive to picking up "ok google". with both sitting on the desk in front of me, the moto registered every time when talking at a normal level. i almost had to yell at the huawei. same experience on my arm. the moto picked me up way better. had to talk louder to the huawei. i can see the mic hole on the moto on the left side. not sure where it is on the huawei, i dont see any visible mic holes
[Moto 360 2015] Turbo Brian:
Comparison shot. 46mm moto and 42mm Huawei. The moto looks thinner, IMOView attachment 3499922
[Moto 360 2015] Kinsman-UK:
Thanks SO much Brian - you're really helping me make my mind up! The speech recognition is pretty important for me, so it looks like I'll definitely be going for the Moto 360 42mm. You mention the mic placement on the Moto - I had noticed this too. It is placed on the left side which, for most people, will mean it is pointing directly at their mouth. However, as far as I'm aware, the Huawei mic is on the back of the watch under the top lug. Strange placement, if that's true. This, the ambient light sensor, and the weak vibration on the Huawei seal the deal for me.

Thanks for the comparison photo too - I think it's the sloped bezel on the Moto that makes it look thinner, even though it is supposedly the same thickness.

EDIT: Always interested in any other insights you have about these two - and, of course, which you ultimately go for.
[Moto 360 2015] Turbo Brian:
ah yes, theres the mic, actually mics. looks to be 2 holes. the location aims them away from you, no wonder it has a harder time picking me up.

other thoughts, i posted this in another thread, but the moto has a stronger vibrator. hehe. :silly: if you wear your watch loose, i could see the huawei being more difficult to notice. both sound about the same though
[Moto 360 2015] charesa39:
Love that watchface. Would you be able to share a link for that one? My 2nd Gen is being delivered tomorrow to replace my 1st Gen one. I assume you have other downloaded watchfaces for Faceer/Watchmaker for the 1st Gen. How do those ones look on the 2nd Gen since the screen is slightly higher resolution?
[Moto 360 2015] Mister-B:
Of course I will share. Have a look here:

https://plus.google.com/104408596370514322518/posts/hJfqgcChRNs

I don't really notice much difference in the quality of my watch faces (I use WatchMaker the most) in bright mode. In dim mode all of the third party watch faces I use in dim mode are unfortunately horrible with the colours being terribly distorted. Hopefully this will be sorted out with a future update. In the meantime I adapt my favourite faces to show a decent 8 bit dim mode.
[Moto 360 2015] Caio 73:
Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts and experience.

From my perspective (I am using the Huawei watch for about 5 days now) I don't mind the weaker mic (actually I prefer that the watch just listens to me when I am deliberately talking to it) and the vibration on my HW is strong enough for me (I don't have anything to compare to and this is my first smartwatch, but it's very noticeable IMO, so it's fine for me).

As for the other points raised, I do think that the ambient mode is to bright. I use the simplest stock watch face (I think it's called Elegant) in which the only diference between the ambient mode and the full active watch face is the seconds hand and the date. Some times I have the impression that the ambient mode is brighter than the full watch face when the brightness is set to one... But, on the other hand, the watch face I use looks really good on always on.

And, as some users have reported, I find the accelerometer not very sensitive and, on top of that, the waking up time is kinda slow. So, if you are planing to leave ambient mode off, this is annoying. You have to really raise your wrist up high and then wait a second for the display to come to life. Bothersome...

Now, about that red tint issue, it's horrible on mine. It's really, really red. It glows like crazy for something that's supposed to be pure black. But realistically speaking, I don't see Huawei doing anything about it. It's to subtle to bother (or to be noticed for that matter) most people. And despite being really bad on mine, if someone could guarantee me that this is not going to cause any problems in the future, I could overlook it easily.

I am still struggling to decide if I am gonna ask for a replacement or a refund and go for the 360. I don't know if I can handle that flat tyre...
[Moto 360 2015] charesa39:
You, sir, are a gentleman AND a scholar. Thanks! :highfive:
[Moto 360 2015] has128:
As an owner of the new Moto 360, I totally agree with all of you, especially the case design of the HW and the vibration made my decision clear. I am happy with the 360 except the ambient mode screen.

On a side note, very nice watch face! did you made, is it possible to share it?

Thanks in advance.
[Moto 360 2015] Mister-B:
I only made the 8 bit ambient mode part of the face. The original face I found on FaceRepo I believe. The concensus on the usual forums is that it is Ok to modify and distribute other people's work as long as you explicitly state who did the original work. In my case the beautiful watch face work was done by John Feaster. He and he alone deserves the credit for this beautiful watch face. I just adapted it to suit the new Moto.
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
(Edit) (read the first 8 posts for more info.. It is totally possible- this works) (edit) advanced calling still works after downgrading to Kitkat and reflashing lollipop. So I called Verizon got a smart tech and told her of my leaked Lollipop and she said it wasn't possible... To have advanced calling.

then I told her of BladeRunner and his thing....then my girlfriends phone droid turbo had advanced calling so she switched my phone number to her SIM to activate it but it already was active I clicked HD video also and took her SIM out put in the Z3V and clicked advanced calling a new prompt came up telling me of a few free features and boom now two people have advanced calling hit the thanks if you call Verizon and can get them to do this for you. (Edit) you don't need Verizon all you need is a phone where you can actually activate advanced calling on switch SIM back to Z3V activate advanced calling and your set. Since our 509 firmware supports it
[Xperia Z3v General] vhgomez36:
Awesome

It actually does work! I just tried it, and data work while on call. Awesome!
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
I'd like to try it with the other lines on my family plan, but the phones with VoLTE are Galaxy S5s. That would mean I have to cut down their sim cards to fit the Z3v...

Does the Droid Turbo also take nano sim?
[Xperia Z3v General] vhgomez36:
I just switch the sim card from the Note 5 and it worked.
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
yes it does but that may not be necessary if you have them port your

Line to the s5 or whatever have them shut off your line on the Z3V after its ported activate advanced calling with your profile on the s5 just in the menu not Verizon mobile and then have them port your number back to the Z3V. the tech told me it's not in the SIM it just a setting and this is a way to overcome not being able to select it anywhere with Verizon if your using the Z3V to do it. We broke Verizon..thank you very much. (Edit) idea go to a Verizon store ask a rep to put your sim in a phone with advanced calling activate it switch back done. Tell them their site is having technical difficulties and a person in tech support told you to do this. As it's the only way it will work. wAhaha
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
Just tried doing it just now with trying to switch lines for the devices on the Verizon account menu. Won't let me switch because they know it's incompatible sim cards...
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
you don't have to switch Sims literally just do what I said above.. When your calling in to Verizon....or you could go to a store. I want you to have this man.
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
Oh, that's what you meant. Don't I have to have both phones with me?
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
no you can have Verizon do all the work besides activating the advanced calling in the settings menu for you if you get a nice tech or ask for tech 2 or 3 they might be more interested in doing the work or go to a store and physically take out your sim card talk to a rep have them put your sim in phone. Activate pull out put in Z3V done. Or if you have two phones with the same sized sim and the other one has the advance calling that works I think those are the only ways. Edit If Verizon doing the work it's best to have both phones off at some point in the process but other than that. the other line is not going to work for awhile till they get it set backup..
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
Stupid representatives, they wouldn't let me change lines because of their same narrow minded response is that my phone isn't compatible. I tell the lady to go look it up online, and of course she's only looking at the Verizon pages.

I'm going to try again tomorrow with someone different.
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
So I actually was able to swap lines last night and have my phone switched to an active line with advanced calling already activated. It didn't do anything, but I did activate advanced calling for my number with the Galaxy S5. It activated and all, but nothing still showed up for the Z3v.

Just now I switched back the phones to the respectful lines, and I'm still lacking VoLTE. From your instructions in the first post, I would really have to switch the physical sim cards itself. In order to do that though, it's a one way thing where I'd have to shave the Galaxy S5's micro sim into a nano one to fit, which is too much of a hassle to do so when I would have to put it back.
[Xperia Z3v General] Thehoose:
Do you have a friend that will let you switch phones for just a minute? All you'll need to do is swap the sims and then activate it on the new phone and swap sims back and it should be on the line. Any nano sim from an android or even iphone 6 would work. I'm going to swap out my wifes nano in her ip6 later today to get this setup for myself.
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
Yeah, I realized what I can actually do. I have an HTC One M8 on a line too so I'll swap it with the GS5, activate advanced calling on it, then actually put the sim card on my phone.

Hopefully I can do that without needing to waste my time calling Verizon because the feature on my Verizon is entirely stupid if it doesn't let me swap lines myself.
[Xperia Z3v General] hondafreak:
I was able to get it to work that way also. My wife has an iPhone6 and I was able to put my sim in it, open the "My Verizon" app and activate the Advanced Calling 1.0. While still on the iPhone I activated it in the settings. Put the sim back in my Z3v and went into the Advanced Calling settings and it worked.
[Xperia Z3v General] Thehoose:
Nice. I'm just going to do the sim switch with my wife's Iphone 6 and login to the myvzw online to activate tonight. Up until this update I have been seriously regretting this phone purchase and i've been looking at the Moto X Pure. I told myself I'd never go back to Moto, but that phone is beautiful lol. We'll see how this update and Volte with data goes...
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
so the tech rep could have done it with no Sims being removed she just did it the way I described because she thought it would give me a better chance to work since she thought this would not be possible in the first place she was just working with me cause I said twice I belive the source on advanced calling -BladeRunner- after that and talking about the phone she was down. So if you get it active on your line you should be good just activate or turn it on in the settings of the Z3V when your done. remember it's just a feature and your phone now supports it 509 -firmware

This is the only way to beat the system since Verizon isn't ready for us to have this.
[Xperia Z3v General] JediDru:
Holy smokes it works! I went in and told them I spoke to a Verizon tech that told me to go in. They put my sim in a S6 that was there and activated advanced calling. Guy didn't think it was going to work. It actually didn't at first. I went back into the menu on my phone checked that it was all on, rebooted and now it works.
[Xperia Z3v General] Thehoose:
Says active but no go

So mine says "Advanced calling is already active on your device, reboot to enjoy advanced calling. Several reboots and the phone still has the" upgrade to activate advanced calling "option. When clicked it goes right back to its saying to reboot that it's already active. Ugh.
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
that's what is always says, if you actually get it active new prompt comes up with a free features list then after that you get a drop down menu for HD video and voice check if you really have the feature by going on my Verizon and see what lines it's active on. What firmware are you on
[Xperia Z3v General] Thehoose:
It says it's active on my Verizon on both of our lines lol. I'm thinking maybe give it a while, then checking it before bed. I'll update in case anyone else e counters the same thing.

---------- Post added at 01:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:41 AM ----------

Okay now it's working, but video calling is grayed out. Anyone else have grayed out video calling option?
[Xperia Z3v General] mpeclipse03:
Mine was doing the same thing! I swapped my sim with a note 5 and it I did the reboot, but when it came back on, it aas still the same menu. I'm running .509
[Xperia Z3v General] GigaSPX:
Life has to be difficult on me and the one Verizon rep in store (technically a cellular sales agent) wasnt willing to help. I asked for other associates help but instead she denied me to tell me that no one else would want to do it since I could put bugs into their phones. What am I, a terrorist?

Damn, people are so full of ****.
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
did you toggle video on and you need the movie creator app and a few others.. -Have you deleted system apps (edit) go to

settings- call- turn on video calling.
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
sounds like you went to a retailer not a real Verizon store. But anyway bro call technical support again... (Ask for a tech level 3 make sure you get one) and just get it done I'm sure you have read these post over and over you know what to do. It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes they know how to switch lines..hopefully

hopefully....
[Xperia Z3v General] mpeclipse03:
Is there a specific time the sim needs to be inserted into the other phone for? I had mine in a note5 for about 2 minutes just long enough to go into the My Verizon app and enable it in there as well as in the settings last night, and it still isn't active on z3V yet.
[Xperia Z3v General] Tigerhoods:
really.. It's not sim related it's feature related so if you have added the feature which sounds like you did you should be able to turn it on in the Z3V. You see it knows you have advanced calling as a feature now and the firmware is supported so in theory it should work...p.s. After you enable the advanced calling. you need to do that on the Z3V it's self as it's a account feature at that point not a phone feature.
[Xperia Z3v General] mpeclipse03:
That's what I was thinking. I added it as a feature last night on the Note5 and it showed up under my features on the Verizon app, so I turned off the Note, put my sim back in the Z3v and booted it up only to see the feature was gone from the My Verizon app. I wonder if I need to make a call with my sim in a "supported" phone and then pop it back into my sony. What's funny is that when I had the .485 firmware, I could see Advanced Calling 1.0 as a feature in the my verizon app for a little bit and then it disappeared.
[Xperia Z3v General] JediDru:
I didn't have them go through the my verizon app. I specifically told him to do it through the advanced calling option in the settings of the other phone.
[Xperia Z3v General] dachao:
Verizon plans suck. We have a business plan with unlimited data but Verizon doesn't let us activate VoLTE because we share the data. Such a BS. That is the pop out we get when we try to activate VoLTE on the account.
[Xperia Z3v General] darker_slayer:
I still have unlimited data, does vzw block this feature on grandfathered unlimited plans?
[Xperia Z3v General] 1linuxfreak:
Naw, they are just playing around with a leaked beta release with data farming enabled.