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[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
The 3 posted pictures comparing the Z5, S6+ and G3 give the advantage to the Z5, in my opinion.

The Z5 feels more natural on these pictures.

I saw a review lately (dated January 25) comparing the Z5, S6 edge, G4, iPhone 6s and the likes, just wanted to let people know here:

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/test-centre/mobile-phone/best-phone-camera-of-2016-3612824/

The Z5 pics do feel blurry, there is no way around this, period. This alone, explains the 120,000+ visits for the current thread, in my opinion.

Colors as usual look beautifully natural, but forget many of the details. Contours are taken care of, using smart postprocessing, but texture details are not there.

For sure, you will find pictures around where the Z5 pics are BOTH natural and detailed : these are pictures where the situation is such that details are all very 'contrasty'. In this case, postprocessing does wonders. Now take a picture with details within textures (eg. details within wall bricks, pavements, road details...) you will see all these textures are blurry with no detail. In-texture detail is not there with the Z5, where details are made of subtle shades of lookalike colors.

It's that simple. For me, the situation is pretty clear.

For Marshmallow, they need, I believe, to improve this.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I agree that texture detail is the weakest point of Z5's post-processing. However i don't think the problem is as big as you are making it to be. Z5 pictures don't seem blurry to me at all.

In that pcadvisor test you provided, LG G4 and Z5 outdoor pictures seem overly smudgy and low-contrast. I believe the lenses on those particular phones (G4 and Z5) were dirty (for example fingerprint on the lens) when taking the pictures. That's what it seems like. Strong outdoor lighting will emphasize the problem (dirt on the lens will introduce reflections in strong lighting, and in turn that will cause lowering of contrast and overall blurriness). Indoor pictures with both phones seem to be completely fine in the test.
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
Has anyone tried taking off the front lens cover? Apparently it's plastic and it scratches rather easily, and on my unit it seems some dust has got in already (i had the lens/camera replaced by Sony due to left blur, but I'm not sure if they replaced the entire camera module or just the lens cover, but it seems a lot better but still some blur at the very edge)
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Yeah that is quite a bad way to save cost. You need to have a flip cover to protect the lens cover. Never understood why they go cheap on 5 dollars for sapphire lens cover. But suits and designers just dont communicate well. Money talks. So you are left with either replacing back panel and/or lens cover alt using fine grain toothpaste and microfiber cloth to remove scratches on the anti-glare coating and thus loosing the.. anti-glare coating.
[Xperia Z5 General] fabiooli:
I don't think mine is faulty, I went to the store and tried the display units, all of them seem to be as bad as mine.

I believe Z5 is way worse than any other high end fones, I used to be a big fan of Sony devices but I don't know whats happening with their products. Seriously, The phone looks nice, great grip, but very slow and laggy and the camera IS NOT great, just average. Sorry guys, didn't mean to offend anyone here, just my opinion.
[Xperia Z5 General] twitchyzero:
Is there a compasion btw the 8MP and 23MP?

I dont really care about the oversampling zoom...ISO setting is nice but SCN selection is pretty important.
[Xperia Z5 General] Paninno12:
I came across a forum about blurry images on Z5 series. I guess the problem was due to this issue on my device.:(
[Xperia Z5 General] wedgess:
I've edited & deleted a few posts from the last couple of pages... Can we please stop with calling people fanboys, no need for it and the community does not want to see it. Don't make posts personal, talking about smartphones shouldn't be personal in anyway.

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[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
It's on my Flickr for instance

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60305679@N04/albums/72157660339573739

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I have Z5 fror a few months now. It's the snappiest phone I've used, it flies.

I don't experience any hiccups...

As for the camera, beeing average... Very general statement, hard to relate to that.

I find the camera quite impressive...
[Xperia Z5 General] FYLin21:
JerryRigEverything said the lens cover of the Z5P is made of plastic. Using a knife he showed it gets loose and scratches easily. I wonder if optics will improve if you remove this lens cover.

I had the left blur problem but Sony repaired it. I am not sure if they replaced the whole camera module or just the lens. The blur is much better but still some on both sides. However, I later noticed spots in the lens when I shine a light at a certain angle or when I film videos in low indoor light - I'm suspecting dust got behind the main lens cover..
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
No becouse you lose the lens cover coating (purple color when you look at it from the sides) and it will degrade photo quality and introduce unwanted "effects" with intensive lightsources.

How it works.

http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-166.html

Images to show difference.

http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/Lens-Coating-Removal.html

The best would be to find a backcover or just lens cover from another mobile and use the lens cover as a replacement if it has the right size and is made preferably of sapphire glass. Iphone backcovers/lens covers might fit.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
In an attempt to put the "It's terrible in Low Light" argument to bed, here are a couple from a recent trip to Manchester.

https://flic.kr/p/DbcG5m

https://flic.kr/p/DrUJiu

For giggles, I went searching for comparable night shots from the Lumia 950. Without exception, they were noisier and blurrier than the two above. Indeed, they were pretty poor.

The Z5 can "do the business" at night but you have to have a steady hand.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Obviously those night shots were not taken hand-held. No human being is going to hand-hold a camera for half a second without camera shake.

Maximum shutter speed on Z5 is artificially limited to 1 second, and it's only accessible through Scene modes, which makes it annoying and difficult to use. In the "manual mode", maximum shutter speed is 1/8s.

All the other phone manufacturers have longer shutter speeds available, one way or another. 1 second maximum shutter speed simply is not sufficient enough for proper night shooting. Currently Z5 is the worst performer at night, out of all the available flagship phones. This is just a fact. There is no way around this issue.

Sony can fix this problem through software. Is Sony going to?
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
On the contrary, they were taken by hand, steadied against a surface.

I repeat, those shots were better than any comparable shot I've seen taken by the vaunted Lumia 950.

People seem to think that the phone has no stabilisation. Incorrect. It uses the hybrid lens stabilisation that it uses for video but it's not as effective as OIS. But that doesn't mean it's absent.

Both shots were handheld.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
As i said, those shots were not taken hand-held.

Lumia 950 has a maximum shutter speed of 4 seconds, and it has about the same size sensor and f-number. I don't believe for a second that 950 is going to take worst quality night shots.

Z5's closed loop actuator doesn't help in picture mode. It only helps in video mode.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Z5 produces actually fantastic lowlight/night shots, both handheld and from tripod.

It's very capable and produces very natural results.

See my Flickr.

With the wise combination of Scenes and some Manual settings you can do almost everything.

I mean you can have a problem using it but it's just up to you.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Find me a better one.

The Z5 does a very decent night mode, if you keep it at 8MP, wait for night scene to appear in SA and keep your hand very steady.

Is it as good as the competition at night if you're walking at speed? Probably not. But that doesn't mean you can't get good results, my images prove that.

You just have to know what you're doing.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Yep I managed 0,5s shutter speed several times with just hands steady and elbows against chest, sides or som steady object. Minimal blur if any.

Also Z1+ line is the best night performers. Just taking a look at S6 series going over ISO 1000 is a horror story. Z1+ line does equal or better at ISO 2500+ in detail, clarity and noise.

And people can talk all they want about long shutter speeds at night.. Good luck with moving objects, cities and crowds.. That's why good high ISO perfomance is important. Z1+ line is unrivaled.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Ok. After a short internet search, below is a shot taken with Lumia 950. With Z5, with the current software, that kind of shot is completely impossible to take.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/90056083@N07/23413343681/in/photolist-BFtWcT-BEXvnk-Azpzdb-DaePNS

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It's absolutely nonsense to claim that Xperia line somehow has magical sensors that other manufacturers can't match. It's simply not true. Everybody is using exactly the same kind of sensor technology. Z5 has about 1.5 times bigger sensor than S6, so about 1.5 times better high ISO performance is to be expected, but not more.

No phone camera is going produce quality images above ISO 1000 (with a possible exception of Nokia 808). Yes, ISO range on Xperia line is wider than the competition, but that doesn't mean anything. ISO 1000+ images are still going to be unusable. Sony's ISO extension is as ridiculous as the built-in 8x digital zoom. It's just nonsense.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
2 points to make: the image is not comparable - the items in shot are nearer to the camera. It is also developed from a RAW image which suggests post processing, as most RAW images require sharpening, so I understand.

When I say comparable, I mean comparable.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
True. In my example the light levels are way lower and more challenging. Z5 would not be able to reproduce that shot, qualitywise. The image quality would be waaay lower with Z5, with the current software.

What kind of difference that makes to image quality?

Yes, Lumia 950 supports RAW-format, like most flagship phones nowadays. Another feature that Z5 doesn't have. Yes i agree, RAW-format gives higher quality images, after post-processing.

So are you ready admit that your claim about Lumia 950 as inferior night photography performer was wrong?

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Here is an outdoor night shot taken with Lumia 950.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/90056083@N07/23419280593/in/dateposted/

Image quality is a lot better than on the ones you took with Z5, and light conditions were more difficult on that bridge shot. With the current software, Z5 would fail miserably in those conditions. If Sony gave us longer shutter speeds, ISO control at full resolution and RAW-format, we would be able to reproduce those shots with Z5. Currently, not a chance.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
You seem to love not comparing oranges with oranges. How many people would take the time to set up a tripod and arange a nigh-on 4 second exposure followed by post processing to get a shot from a camera phone? It's all well and good showing me shots from photography enthusiasts with plenty of time on their hands (And probably a much better DSLR stashed away somewhere which could produce a better shot with half the hassle), I was demonstrating a straight-out-of-the-camera shot taken hand held.

I have yet to be shown comparable.

Now, your argument is that if the Z5 allowed for RAW and 4 second exposures it'd do much better. No argument there. But most people simply don't have an interest in 4 second exposures and 10 minutes in photoshop.

The Z5 put together my shot on its own in under a second. On the fly, so to speak.

Of similar shots on Flickr, I have yet to see a 950 shot that I've thought was as good as mine.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Well, i am more or less the kind of photography enthusiasts that you just described. I have a DSLR and i post-process all my images, even if they are just jpeg. DSLR is too big to be carried along all the time. That's where my Z5 Premium steps in, and it has a unique high quality ultra wide-angle lens, which is the main reason i decided to buy a Z5. It's with me practically always. I have Gorillapod GripTight in my bag all the time, so long shutter speeds are not a problem for me. A glove, hat or a jacket also works as a tripod, if needed. The only problem is that Z5's current software doesn't support long shutter speeds, so night photography really isn't an option with this phone. That sucks. From a photographers perspective, Z5's software is very limited and difficult to use.

I see no reason why Lumia 950 wouldn't perform comparably in your situation. In addition, Lumia has OIS, so most likely it would be easier to get sharp images with 950 than Z5, at half a second shutter speeds. Of course both phones would need to be physically stabilized somehow at those shutter speeds.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Dont bother. When people do tomatoes with oranges it is becouse they just dont got anything and are grasping for whatever to cheat and confuse. Long exposure, ISO 50, post-processing in Lightroom.. Allow me to "hahahaha"! The post-proccessing regarding noise removal, chroma removal, color, exposure, white balance, shadows and so on with RAW or jpg images is by far superior (and often manually controlled for perfection) to what any phone could do in realtime on-the-fly with "smart" alogrithms that guesstimate what needs to be done. Aint even a photo editor app on mobiles that comes near the complex algorithms used in Lightroom (and plugins) and yet those simpler ones takes long time to proccess on a modern phone. We are talking near a minute or even more. The complex ones found in PC photo editor programs would take several minutes and use 100's of MBytes of RAM.

Point is the mobile has to post-proccess the photos in less than a second to not overflow the image buffer(s) and stall the camera which means you would have to wait for all jobs to complete before taking another photo. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
That's one of the main reasons why defending Z5 against Lumia 950, in night photography, makes no sense. With the current software, Z5 has practically no night photography capabilities. Lumia 950 actually has RAW. As i already explained in my previous posts.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Repeating this won't make it true.

Everybody respects your personal problem with Z5's software, but from the other user's perspective it's convinient and easy.

Z5 is fantastic lowlight performer, you just hava to know how to use it.

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RAW doesn't make night photography better by itself.

But at this point of obsession, I want your examples.

Shoot for us let's say 5 photos by Z5 and 950 to demonstrate this difference.

You repeat your mantra, now it's time to prove it.

I want to see it.

My Flickr has shots taken by Z5 to prove my point...
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
That's my first time to hear that on net. RAW definitely has improvement for night photo bcoz the Adobe Camera RAW editor got much better noise reduction and sharpen quality plus the JPEG algorithm is also better, or save the file at TIFF.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
https://flic.kr/p/DAiUUz

Please review?
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I just provided two night photography shots taken by Lumia 950. Just look at them.

Even EQ2000 just admitted the superiority of those Lumia 950 images. There is no contest. Lumia 950 wins by a landslide in night photography.

RAW does make a big difference in low-light photography. EQ2000 in his previous post gave quite a good overview of why RAW-format is better in low light. Image processing algorithms are just so much more advanced on a dedicated desktop image processing software.

This does not mean that Lumia 950 has superior camera hardware. It does not. This only means that Z5 has inferior camera software for night photography. 1 second maximum shutter speed, lack of ISO control and RAW-format makes all the difference.

It makes no difference how you use Z5. The software makes high quality (Lumia 950 level) night shots impossible to take. This is a fact.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I don't care who said what. This is a forum and especially regarding photography,

guessing game is pure nonsense.

I want a comparison. A real life comparison. Otherwise, I treat your comments as trolling.

As for Z5, it's not a fact. It's just your personal impression regarding it's abilities, and still without any example. So until you provide any proof, it's just bullcr..p.

All of the other users discussing here provided their own photos.

I provide my Flickr. I didn't see any of your photos regarding the topic.

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Ok, do we have any comparison? Like the same shot in RAW and compressed to see the difference? If I'm wrong than I'm sorry.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
Everyone who have tried to take photo in RAW know how powerful it is. The different is still large enough though the improvement on mobile real won't be as noticeable as DSLR. I can shoot some low light samples with .DNG RAW format on my S6 for you if you real want it but do you have decent RAW editor like Adobe Photoshop CS6 or others?
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
What i said in my previous post, is a fact. It's not an opinion. Z5's software simply lacks night photography features compared to Lumia 950. I have stated these features multiple times in my previous posts, so i don't think stating them again is going to help.

You seem to lack basic understanding of photography (the meaning of shutter speed, aperture and ISO). That's why this conversation isn't going anywhere. If you want to understand what i am saying, i recommend you to study some photography basics. For example, from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_(photography)

If you want a good explanation on video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8T94sdiNjc

Here is a RAW Vs JPEG comparison on Lumia 1020.

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/6430831685/shooting-raw-with-the-nokia-lumia-1020
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
You probably have a problem with reading with comprehension, no?

The comment about understanding basic photography aspects is probably aimed at somebody else, not me since these things are obvious.

And what we discuss here is Z5 quality beeing terrible against competition.

And you still use only theoretical figures which are pointless.

You still have no proof and you cover this with theoretical knowledge.

And we wait for the only real stuff meaning photos.

Give us some shots.

And if you can't, you can always join some other forums for frustrated users who despite their "knowledge" cannot actually perform anything.

It's the typical habit of people lacking creativity BTW.

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Yes I have the access to this software. You can give the examples.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Really? It sure doesn't seem like these things are obvious to you.

I will explain this one more time. On Z5 maximum shutter speed is 1 second. On Lumia 950 maximum shutter speed is 4 seconds. That is a big difference, and the main reason why Z5 CANNOT perform as well as 950 in night photography. For anyone who has basic understanding of photography, this is obvious.

Sony is clearly lagging behind competition, in terms of camera software features. For example, on Samsung flagships maximum shutter speed is 10 seconds. On LG flagship phones maximum shutter speed is 30 seconds. LG, Samsung, HTC and Nexus phones ALL have RAW-format available. All these other manufacturers have the BASIC camera features available (the list of features i posted earlier). Only Nexus phones have to use 3rd party camera apps for some of the features. For other listed manufacturers, these basic camera features are built-in to their native camera apps. Only Sony fails completely to deliver these features.

I have linked to my Z5 Premium gallery before, but here it is again:

http://imageevent.com/tuomas_k/xperiaz5premium

You have been behaving very disrespectfully towards me (and others who have dared criticize Sony) for some time now. If you still continue this behavior, i am going to ignore you and treat you as a troll.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
[MENTION=1236539]doministry[/MENTION]

Dont bother. RAW is crap unless it is processed afterwards and most of it manually with care. You can even process jpegs but not to the same degree as RAW photo so the jpeg vs RAW argument is just ridicolous as you could also spend 10-60 minutes in Lightroom with a jpeg and make it look noticably better even if you cant reach what you would with the same in RAW. You and Tim already stated you wanted 'on-the-fly-ready' images (such that can be shared, uploaded or just put into an album and be done with it). I just see a "dance" around the main topic with attempts to bring in other elements as they lack material and a valid argument and at the same time make it unfair bringing in carefully edited RAW photos which could have been touched up for hours while the jpegs are straight out of camera or jsut with a filter slaped on. Same jpegs could look tons better with Lightroom editing.

Here is a comparision between LG4 and Lumia 950.

http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/21116_Camera_head_to_head_Lumia_950_.php

Shutter speed 1/4, ISO 1250, Lumia 950 from comparision in fullsize.

http://mediafiles.allaboutwindowsphone.com/g4-950/night-950.jpg

Excerpt from the comparision regarding first night photo: "The Lumia 950 shot here was the best of TEN that I attempted, the Camera application just couldn't lock on to anything because the auto-focus system is based on natural light being processed (phase-detection, in this case). The 950 shot above was manually focussed."

Shutter speed 1/20, ISO 400, Lumia 950 from comparision in fullsize.

http://mediafiles.allaboutwindowsphone.com/g4-950/cinema-950.jpg

Shutter speed 1/4 ISO 1600, Lumia 950 from comparision in fullsize.

http://mediafiles.allaboutwindowsphone.com/g4-950/ultra-950.jpg

:cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] dfavefenix:
LoL

Enviado desde mi E6653 mediante Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Whatever you want. Your constant whining and repeating the same complaint over and over again is trolling itself,

still without any comparison to prove your points.

Readers will judge themselves.
[Xperia Z5 General] swooc:
don't know about you guys, but i feel files upto iso3200 are useable from the z5. it's a blurry mess, but it's not bad for a camera phone. so in hindsight, the kitchen photo nowhereman posted is achievable on the z5 albeit lower quality. but i'm not sure even having raw support would allow us to push process to that exposure and detail quality. only because i feel the sensor used on the z5 is bit over hyped.