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[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thehrushi:
Just confirmed that it does NOT work on 5.1.1. My second fire updated to the new software today before I could do this. So now I'm stuck with one fire that CAN do this (5.0.1) and another that CANNOT.

UPDATE: I finally rooted the one with 5.1.1 using the AutoRootScript here http://xdaforums.com/amazon-fire/general/root-playstore-busybox-optimize-flash-t3281804/page2 and now I have alternate launcher.
[Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Check out AutoRootScript. It changes the launcher to Nova.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChriKn:
As many, I am quite astonished by the G4's lack of development (not to insult the awesome devs having allready crafted some nice roms/tweaks or the one working on it (Awaiting CM12 patiently :) ).

With solutions like flashfire, the fact we can root, have Xposed etc... without bootloader unlocking, why doesn't LG just open up ? It worked great for Motorola, the nexus line is beloved for just having the cleanest possible android and quick updates.

LG's UI isn't really as loved as Sense or Touchwiz (even if in my mind nothing beats stock, sprinkled with some goodies à la motorola).

I just wish an LG dev/executive/t-shirt seller reads this and thinks : Hey, why don't we open the bootloader ? It doesn't change anything for us, as people can already. flash what the want. Hey, why don't we give our customers the choice to use an aosp build next to our UI, so everybody can have it the way they want ?

Wouldn't this be an easy way to get some sells and a distinguishing factor in this hard market ?

Just my little late night rant, but this seems to obvious to still not be a norml situation (well Motorola got it... thanks Google for that)...

LG having made now 3 Nexii could really have learnt something... I might still buy their phones, but it could be a much more obvious choice if openness had a bigger place in their mind.

Any opinions or ideas on how to change this ? Change.org ? A sitting in front of their offices ?

Have a great time guys ;)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulysephiroth:
The nexus 5, and now the new small one, are both by LG and have unlocked bootloaders. Bootloaders aren't locked by LG, its by carrier. The internation verison, and Tmobile have unlocked ones, and you can flash stock roms on sprint devices...

Also, the percentage of people who root is very low in terms of all the people who buy the phone.

Example: At the store I work at, we sold over 100 G4's since its been out. Maybe like 6 of those people will root if even that.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
Some variants (815 international non EU) are controlled by LG. However, I wouldn't say they don't care about their customers. Honestly, how many people with an android phone root their phones? How many of them care about bootloaders? Sure if looking only at XDA people, it would be over 80% but in real life random sampling with a large population I'd say it's below 2-3% easily. Out of everyone I know with Iphones/Nexuses/Samsungs/LGs I can, honestly, only say maybe 2-3 of them jailbreak of root/want an unlocked bootloader.

So yeah, overall sales would not improve at all by advertising an unlocked bootloader, especially once you factor in that your warranty is null and void once you unlock it.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cor-master:
I wish all OEM's would release an unlocked version with unlockable boatloaders and faster updates and sell them on their website for full price. Not sure why it has to be carrier or nothing in the states.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
That is ideal, but when there are different markets all over the world, it's too complicated and potentially costly to implement compared to the potential sales.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JedixJarf:
People that unlock/root/flash phones as a hobby is quite a small percentage of their customer base, why would they cater to you? Plus, H811 has unlocked bootloader :P
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChriKn:
I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).

They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).

Envoyé de mon A0001 avec XDA Forums
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_scotsman:
That's not at all true. it's LG that is locking the bootloader, nothing to do with the carriers.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] loridoo:
because the bl is locked,and the developer can't develop the customer rom ,including based o stock.:crying:
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KennyG123:
Over 99% of LG customers do not even know what rooting is, nor "flashing a ROM". Locked bootloaders are a manufacturer's choice for security concerns....Manufacturers like Samsung leave the choice in the carriers' hands....it is not directed at this community to prevent flashing AOSP ROMs.....it is an attempt to keep malicious hackers out of the phone...LG could care less about that...it is just collateral damage. So as far as LG's "customers" are concerned there would be no noticeable increase in sales by supplying an unlock.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soulysephiroth:
When I had Samsung it was most differently carrier. Att was the only one who had blocked bootloaders and it was the carrier choice. Why then would lg just allow T-Mobile G4s to be unlocked? It didn't make sense to only allow two out their models if carriers have nothing to do with it.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
It's never going to happen. FWIW if you unlock the oneplus one's bootloader, the warranty is void as well. You can brick your phone if you don't know what you are doing with an unlocked bootloader. This is why they do not come unlocked standard, and if you choose to unlock you lose warranty.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChriKn:
Well... Not really...

https://oneplus.net/de/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty

Of course you can make dumb stuff... But people knowing nothing and wanting to root at all price will always try, so isn't it better if there is a simple and easy solution at hand ?

Envoyé de mon A0001 avec XDA Forums
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
That's if you buy it directly from oneplus, however, you have an A0001 model, which is the Chinese-market version bought by a grey-market seller, who will probably consider any warranty void if the bootloader is unlocked. Even Google Nexus' phones have their warranty void when the bootloader is unlocked, and the Nexus phones were initially designed to be phones for developers to develop on.

I suspect the reason why many companies do not allow bootloaders to be unlocked easily is because there is no real benefit to them having it easily unlocked. In fact, having it easily unlocked (even with having the warranty void) could actually be an issue. This is because they then have less control over what software is actually running on their phones. Say someone installs an aftermarket rom, which is in beta, then someone who doesn't really doesn't have the XDA know-how uses it, they might find it unstable, laggy, crappy etc...and attribute it to the brand, and will tell others to avoid that brand. Then there is the problem of people who unlocked the bootloaders, who attempt to still try to send in their phone for warranty purposes when they broke it, or claim they didn't know their warranty would be void, this costs money still to check the phone determine that the boolader was unlocked. Then there may be some malicious people who convince their 'friends' to unlock their bootloaders, and install some virus, or spying software, and that could be blamed on the OEM by the person who doesn't know any better. IMO it could easily be considered an unacceptable risk to allow bootloaders to be easily unlocked compared to any benefit gained.

So except for appeasing the very small niche market that XDA caters to, which isn't really much of a benefit at all, there is more risk than it's worth to making bootloaders easily unlocked.

The only reason Oneplus could get away with that was because they didn't sell lots of phones (directly), they had a controlled invite system, and really most of the people who were even aware of oneplus' existence tended to be more of the type of people you'd find on XDA anyways. Even then, their customer service, even buying direct from Oneplus has been pretty shoddy.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChriKn:
Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?

Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?

Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?

(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).

And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitrous²:
If you're in Europe you WILL get your warranty denied if you send in a device with altered software unless you can prove that the issue is not caused by the altered software. If you somehow managed to get a device repair under warranty it's either luck, an untrained chain of service workers or a very trained chain of service employees that understood that your issue was not caused by the altered system state.

Because these numbers are insignificant for Samsung, LG, Motorola or whatever brand you want. Heck even for HTC they are. The extra effort would cost more in labor than those 100k device's turn over (yes, turn over, not even profit!).
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChriKn:
I am in Europe, I even discussed it with them... there really isn't a problem with it as long as you can clearly explain what you did and how it can't affect. You just need to know what you are doing... but same goes for kids and knifes... Overprotecting just brings a bigger mess at a later moment.

Because these numbers are insignificant for Samsung, LG, Motorola or whatever brand you want. Heck even for HTC they are. The extra effort would cost more in labor than those 100k device's turn over (yes, turn over, not even profit!).[/QUOTE]

Isn't it more wok for them to find new protective measures than just letting it open ?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitrous²:
Yes, it is more expensive at first, but cheaper in the long run.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
I did not know about the unlock flags not being triggered, that is my mistake. However, I did not contradict myself. OnePlus sells very few phones, and do not have mass appeal, and they targeted a specific group. This group is so insignificant, that large companies like Apple, Samsung, LG , Sony, HTC etc can really ignore them without much issue. I own an oneplus one. You may have had good luck with RMAing, but I know plenty that have had issues. Personally, I wouldn't buy another OnePlus phone for at least a couple generations.

The issue here is that you have not come up with a convincing argument to why bootloaders should be easily unlocked, and how that would lead to a significant market share increase for these companies, and that this larger market share would offset any costs and risk they inherit due to having an easily unlocked bootloader. I do not have the numbers, but, if you would like to convince these companies to do so, the onus would be on you to prove to these companies that it's worth their time.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
Here is an example of why easily unlocked bootloaders can lead to bad experiences: Malware at the system level (not just installed, but intergrated into the system)

https://medium.com/@tuesdev/as-many...hs-to-receive-a-oneplus-2-invite-ba20ac8606ae

Although not specifically stated, without the unlocked bootloader this process would be far more difficult. Lucky the writer of the article knows it isn't Oneplus to blame...
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdevaughn:
Lol gf
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zkyevolved:
I consider myself to be rather tech savvy, and I have only rooted my Nexus 6. Every other device I have owned had come with the features and software necessary to use my device exactly as I want. I don't see a need to root my G4 and throw on a ROM. But that's for MY usage.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fragske:
Yup, same here. I used to root all of my other android devices. But haven't done it yet on my G4.

I don't see a real use anymore of the root benefits. I only miss adblock perhaps :)
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] player911:
Perfect example is a speaker mod. Flash a speaker mod to increase the volume and blow your speakers. Should LG or anyone be responsible to replace it when they had set limits on the volume specifically so it would NOT blow.

I get why they do it. And that is fine. However I don't like the fact that you can't restore to a "out of the box" experience by flashing a stock KDZ. They are specifically making this difficult. And the reason why I dislike it so much is that buggy software gets released all the time. This time, specifically, with the Verizon 12A OTA that was just released that boinks your Notifications when on WiFi (no notifications on wifi). This is a HUGE problem. For me, at work, there is no signal. I rely on WiFi for Hangouts, Email, etc. notifications. If I was a normal user, I would have taken the OTA and been royally screwed.

The thing is Admin Access (SU) should be granted at will to all devices. If I buy a Linux computer, I better have freaking admin access. If Google would implement a better way to provide us power users with a level of access that would make compliment our needs, we wouldn't have to screw around with unlocking the bootloaders, flashing custom roms, and doing heavy tweaking.

I don't know man, the whole thing is screwy. Thats like Dell locking your PC down to 1 user with predetermined settings. YOU ARE BUYING A PC. The Mobile Phone has become the new Personal Computer. They should be treated as such. Dell and HPs come with tons of malware, junk, and ad-apps... but if they prevented you from uninstalling them, the internet would explode. Thats like Leveno installing secret remote desktop software and pulling secret backups from your personal databases.

Thats 1 thing I learned recently that really makes me WANT to use some custom software, is because I recently installed a Firewall on my phone and WAS AMAZED on all the crap the LG, Facebook, Amazon, and Verizon apps are trying to pull. These are not marketing devices and if they ARE then they need to be sold as such. If you are monetizing off of my personal data, then why am I spending $600 on a "Personal Computing" mobile device?

I think there will be a time soon when people realize what is going on and say enough is enough.

Want to see something scary? Search for "Google Location History" and sign in. If Google is doing this, imagine what Verizon and every other secret hidden remote app is doing.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mad_Duke:
You DO NOT lose warranty. That is the constant bull**** of people who don't know anything. You just loose software support if you f up something. Which is logical.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitrous²:
I CAN CONTRIBUTE :D "(...)he wished it were possible to achieve root functionality without actually rooting." - [MENTION=6957306]jasondclinton_google[/MENTION] according to xda-developers.com

Read the article cited from

It's not bull****. Manufacturers, retailers and service centres will take any opportunity to deny warranty.

HTC ONE X: **RELOCKED**. Extreme light bleeding. Display not properly adhered to housing. Warranty denied with photo of **RELOCKED** bootloader.

Samsung Galaxy S4; KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x1. Digitizer non-functinal within five days of use. Warranty denied with photo of Tripped KNOX counter.

Samsung Galaxy Note 3; KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x1. Proximity Sensor. Warranty denied with photo of Tripped KNOX counter. At this point I said "Screw you, Samsung!"

HTC ONE M8: **RELOCKED**. Heavy light bleeding. Sound only playing on one of the speakers. No sound through audio jack. Warranty denied with phot of **RELOCKED** bootloader.

Motorola Nexus 6; Unlocked System State 3; Screen burn in. Random shut down due to overheating. Non adhering back cover. Non-relockable Bootloader. Warranty denied with photo of Unlocked BL.

Device bought at different stores.

Also, citing LG's official page for unlocking the H815 EU

"1. Once your phone is unlocked, it will no longer be covered by LG warranty.

As we cannot guarantee the proper operation of our hardware with custom software, we are not able to maintain the full scope of warranty for your device after you have unlocked the bootloader.

Because of that we have a responsibility to let you know that defects which may result from, or were caused by custom device-software may not be covered by LG warranty."

They don't care what might have caused the defect on your device. Once they see the opportunity to deny, they will take it, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mad_Duke:
LG warranty doesn't mean anything. It can only add value, not subtract it from the papers you get in the store.

Same thing like if you buy a product which has lifetime or longer warranty but the store gives you only a couple of years.

And yes, they can deny it in the store. They can also theoretically deny you warranty on an untouched never worked in the first place phone. Would you accept that explanation? No! And you wouldn't accept the unlocked argument either :)

Inform yourself about your consumer rights and read the ones in the store because both the store and the manufacturer have to follow it. Your usually always have more rights as a consumer than you would think.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
inform yourself of the laws of all the different countries before making blanket statements. Every country has different consumer rights laws. Some countries have very strong consumer rights protections, some do not. However, it usually costs money to enforce these rights costs time and money. Depending on the country you live in, it may not be worth your time or money to enforce them over an unlocked bootloader. Another issue with a significant number of people, is what about grey market phones which were bought from overseas? What would be the cost to try to enforce those rights?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spartan268:
What is this firewall you speak of?

I would love to block Facebook and all those other social media giants from getting my info any further.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jesssiii:
What firewall? Root needed?
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mad_Duke:
"grey market phones" ? Bought overseas? You can enforce warranty in the country where it was purchased always. Anything more is added value (like worldwide warranty) and is not the topic here.

Yes. sorry. I was referring in this case just for the whole EU and US. So, sorry. You pretty much agreed with me with "What would be the cost to try to enforce those rights?" And yes. You can enforce your rights and yes. Usually for free.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mad_Duke:
I'm sorry but you are not familiar with the laws. When you buy your phone in the shop, the only warranty terms you are agreeing are those written on the paper receipt you get (small print) . Whatever you click after doesn't matter. Whatever LG states, doesn't matter.

And if you buy a phone from another country. Your warranty rights (if you want it like that) are that countries and also what you get on a receipt. Of course. If LG offers worldwide (added value) you can use it.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daemos:
I'm very familiar with law...please tell me where you got your law degree from before arguing with your limited legal prowess.

1) When you purchase your phone from a retailer, the terms and conditions on the receipt is for that sale between you and the retailer (in America usually something like 14-30 day money back satisfaction guarantee blah blah blah blah) However, unless if you have purchased mobile phone insurance or warranty through them. So you may have rights to return the phone or exchange the phone through them.

2) Warranty is separate and that is between you and LG (or your phone manufacturer) Some countries limit the exclusions they can have in the warranty. However, just as it is legal for someone to jail break their iphone, Apple is within their full rights to void your warranty for this purpose if they find out you've done it. In the same vein, rooting and unlocking bootloaders is not illegal, but LG/samsung/etc are in their legal rights to void your warranty (unless if the company has a term in the warranty allowing you to do so)

3) Yes, it is perfectly legal for LG to warn you in that fashion with a warning on the website, as long as it can be argued that there is sufficient notice for you to realize that downloading and running the unlock file will void warranty. For common law countries, if you have access to a legal case database, you can find case law for this principle.

You think the EULA and the Terms of Warranty are there just for fun? That if they are not on a receipt from the shop you bought they are meaningless? You realize these companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars on lawyers every year, and there are legal specialities that revolve around creating EULAs and warranty terms and conditions.
[G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mad_Duke:
1. Not true. For you as a customer the only thing you need to know about the warranty is on that receipt. Money back guarantee is just one thing.

2. Not true. The store provides you the basic warranty. (1, 2, 3, 4 ,5 years depending on the product). Of course. If the store itself offers no warranty (why would you buy it in a store like that?) then if there is a warranty it is specified by the manufacturer itself. (added value).

3. No it's not because nothing can void your original "contract" between you and the store/business that sold it. Nothing additional can be put upon you after the fact. And it's the main logic behind any law. Exceptions are for example in banking if the terms of the original deal are changed but there are other things in play there and mechanisms.

It goes like this. You buy a product. You get your warranty terms and conditions printed from the place you bought. From this point on. This is the only thing you need to worry about. And the only thing the store needs to worry about (because the purchase was done between you and them). You sign the receipt and that is THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE SIGNED and the only thing that matters. :)

EULA is concerning support and in most cases software support. Which you don't really care if you've unlocked, rooted. Of course they are not responsible to bring your phone software back to the original state, repair any errors done etc. But if your motherboard, charging port, screen, digitizer, camera dies for some reason. Yes, they have to change it.

Outside of the law and your rights. It is also in their best interest to do so. Otherwise you can always brick your phone completely so they cannot do anything and the price for them would be usually greater than if they just changed those hardware parts that stopped working.