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[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
Mine used to eat a lot of battery but it doesn't do it anymore. So I do hope that the previous "full functionality" will be left out :P
[Xperia Z3 General] vRS Carl:
A lot of configuration is missing in the menus.

So for example no DT2W, smart call handling, detecting when you're lay down so not rotating the screen. etc
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
that's exactly what I do NOT want back in the concept-aosp like rom lol ;) I used to delete them all myself in my debloated rom! ;)

only thing I'd like to have back is dt2w, that is very vital for many, but none of those intelligent gestures, small apps etc please :D

(and after all, if someone wants them, there is stock bloated sony fw that includes them all.. this is a aosp like rom..)
[Xperia Z3 General] vRS Carl:
Ok that's my misunderstanding of the new ROM.

I thought it would gradually get stuff added to be like the Lollipop Sony ROM.
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
No misunderstanding at all. The truth is, none of us really knows what everything will be added to this Concept ROM. However, if I remember correctly, there were weekly updates for the Lollipop concept, so some of what is missing might or might not be added later :)
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
yes but well, we have the example of LP concept rom... and there, AFAIK, only vital things were added (e.g dt2w) but nothing of those "intelligent gestures" were added for example, please correct me if I am wrong!?

and this makes sense to me, if the concept sooner or later became the same as the 100% stock sony, no need to make two different roms I think? :o

well in any case I hope they won't add too much in this concept apart from dt2w, or I will have to start again my debloating procedures.....!! :(
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
You're perfectly right regarding the Lollipop version. However (subjective opinion), I think that the fact that they expanded the user base for the concept to 10,000 users, it shows quite clearly that they want to use the outcome of this initiative (more or less fully) as the Marshmallow update for the general Z3 public. Thus, they will listen very carefully to user's feedback during the concept period. If many of them request such additional features, they will be added. If the users will compliment the lack of these features, they will leave them out. Just my two cents.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
You are forgetting one major change, this firmware is technically different because of different partition layout, included recovery and Verified/Secure boot. And Sony will add gradually features they want to have in public firmware..
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
this is fake info my friend! my modell and imei TAC:

D6603 - 35518806.... And Concept Installer say "Concept Software Available"

try other fake info!

only limitation is phone modell,z3 and z3 compact!
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
well your TAC is on his list so you are just confirming what he said...!!! :D

and btw phone model is not the only limitation AFAIK? also customization number is a limit?! (at least for registering via the sony app... while when I installed via the installer the cust. number was still a good one so not sure if the installer checked it too!)
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
Yep, had to change mine in build.prop and in customization in order to be able to register via the app (to SONY: there's absolutely no need to read this post)
[Xperia Z3 General] okij:
Hi, because of this detailed information I'm wondering if the new member [MENTION=7020730]sony_concept[/MENTION] actually is a Sony developer who's involved in Android 6.0 for the Xperia Z devices and therefore watching this thread. :) If this is the case, a hearty welcome here on XDA! :cool:

If my assumption is right, I'm wondering if also the user's feedback on this thread (and the other 2-3 XDA threads about this topic) is evaluated for the further development and the fine-polish of Android 6.0 for the Xperia Z devices. It would be great if we could get some info from [MENTION=7020730]sony_concept[/MENTION] about this. :)
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
that's exactly the same I thought when I did read that post! ;) :p

hope so would be exciting! :good: in that case, [MENTION=7020730]sony_concept[/MENTION] please please add dt2w soon but don't add other useless things (intelligent gestures, small apps, any other personal apps etc ) that can just slow down the phone/consume more battery ;) on the contrary, you could install in data most of the google apps provided in system, this way we could easily get rid of them completely :highfive:
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
isn't it a requirement by Google to have the apps in System, otherwise the device wouldn't get the famous Play store certification? I know they have recently lowered the number of required apps, but some are still there.
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
ah ok that could be the reason so! didn't know that.

well if and when we'll have root (hope soon) I will manually delete them :)
[Xperia Z3 General] shoey63:
In regards to advanced stock kernel, I have built one which boots to system and TWRP recovery, but when SuperSU is flashed, it gets stuck on bootanimaton.

Any ideas [MENTION=4102242]Gustavo RD78[/MENTION]?
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
I think that's because of the secure boot or similar features [MENTION=6351145]ondrejvaroscak[/MENTION] mentioned..... ;(

.....so you have at least twrp fully working in concept?
[Xperia Z3 General] shoey63:
Yes, fully functional TWRP. And some progress disabling DM-VERITY in the ramdisk. Previously, system modifications would cause the phone not to boot at all. Now it gets as far as bootanimaton. Just need a final tweak ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
great mate hope you can sort it out soon and share it when ready so ;) and yes hopefully gustavo can help you!? :fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
The last Concept Lollipop custom kernels by [MENTION=4102242]Gustavo RD78[/MENTION] are also booting just to bootanimation with this firmware
[Xperia Z3 General] Gustavo RD78:
if not flash superSU the device starts with custom kernel?
[Xperia Z3 General] tycoonheart:
Has anyone been able to get PC Companion software to recognize the device with Concept Marshmallow? I wanted to restore some data from a backup but software doesn't seem to recognize the phone.
[Xperia Z3 General] Danchibald:
You cannot restore backup from PC Companion on Concept ROM. PC Companion does not recognize device. If you roll back original ROM, restore will work...
[Xperia Z3 General] shoey63:
Correct
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
So it means, that even with custom kernel are changes to system partition detected and boot disabled ... that puts into question if verity-dm was removed from custom kernel
[Xperia Z3 General] saikoni:
How are the audio volumes for speakers and in-call? Still as low as ever?
[Xperia Z3 General] Gustavo RD78:
Take a look

http://xdaforums.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344/post63168310
[Xperia Z3 General] sherlock5545:
To anyone who is using this build already, were you give the option to set the SD card as the default storage for apps? It's the new feature that was announced with Marshmallow.
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
Any app can be transferred to the SD card now (apart from the system apps), not sure if it can be turned on by default.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
When you insert a SD card, you are given choice to use it either as Internal memory (new) - it will be used for apps and data, but you will have problems if you remove it or it will die, or as Removable storage, it will basically keep it formatted and attached as in Lollipop.
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
That much I already know, I was referring to the transferring of the apps themselves to the SD card. As can be seen in the attached screen shot, it is possible to transfer the apps individually, yet I'm not sure if there's an option to have all apps installed to the external SD card as default. And that was the initial question, if I understood correctly.
[Xperia Z3 General] schetz:
Noup, it is noticeably louder. Could finally listen to music properly.
[Xperia Z3 General] zmasterq:
I got small bug,when I have autorotate on ani watching YouTube sometime not show video corectly... Just half screen

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[Xperia Z3 General] Gustavo RD78:
I need a tester to confirm that everything is working with Advanced stock kernel, send me a private message
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
available for testing on z3c ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] Gustavo RD78:
check your MP
[Xperia Z3 General] Danchibald:
I don't have option "Move to SD" for apps. I set microSD as portable storage, not as internal...

Edit: i solved problem. MicroSD formated as internal and now is available to change apps storage
[Xperia Z3 General] brenosabino:
First battery test, mostly on wifi mid brightness

http://imgur.com/a/vooj9

ps.: How do I put thumbnails on forum?
[Xperia Z3 General] spinz78:
Loving this rom. The battery life super. Only 2% overnight drain and the usage is pretty accurate too, kinda like kitkat

Loving the quick settings now, can touch the battery icon in status bar to go straight to battery usage app and touching the network icon in quick settings shows the data usage and more settings. Nice
[Xperia Z3 General] zmasterq:
Odesláno z mého D6603 pomocí Tapatalk
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Standby doesn't tell much about battery drain when in use... Yes standby is awesome because now Android hibernates most apps by default (refer to Doze mode).
[Xperia Z3 General] vilx01:
I have small issue with camera- hardware camera key makes double or even triple shots. On-screen button does it's job fine.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Hm, mine is ok, but I almost never used hardware camera button, is it works like new :)
[Xperia Z3 General] vilx01:
Problem is not key, but ROM, as in Stock key forks just fine.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
I don't thing firmware is the problem, as in my D6603 and Concept M the hardware key works fine and makes only one picture at time...
[Xperia Z3 General] vilx01:
Turns out feature "burst with longpress" was one to blame, I had it set to "high speed".
[Xperia Z3 General] spinz78:
How and where do I install the z3+ drivers. I downloaded the zip folder from sony developer site. Where to extract the files?
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Extract where you like to and use Device Manager to update the drivers. See thread, instructions have already been given including pictures!
[Xperia Z3 General] snurre:
Really like the feature for dismissing alarms that soon is abount to ring, without disabling the whole reccuring alarm.

I have five alarms with 5minutes between them, in case I turn off some without waking up, but if I wake up after the first one, I had to manually disabling all the others, and remember to activate them later again.

Now I can just dismiss the next one as they appear at the notification bar a while before they go off :)

Edit: maybe this is a default feature for Google's Clock app?
[Xperia Z3 General] vv91xv:
Battery is amazing, before my Z3 have strong battery, now my Z3 have ultimate battery! Never back to 5.1.1

Mod edit: If you are posting large images please wrap them in hide tags in future, like I have done.
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
I have a stupid question, but, how to set percentage inside the battery icon? [emoji1]

I can't find it. [emoji1]
[Xperia Z3 General] vv91xv:
Long press on gear inside notification. Go to setting and swipe down. System UI tuner.
[Xperia Z3 General] Crazy32:
I think this is a new feature in the Google clock app. It comes with the latest update.
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
This is weird, that option won't appear to me. But I'll try a little more.

Thanks mate!
[Xperia Z3 General] PerPer2:
You have to use Sony launcher.
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
Sony launcher? Can you explain it to me?

Maybe I'm letting something pass, cause I installed using flashtool (ftf file), not the "right way" and I'm a little confused right now. Sorry for bother you with it.
[Xperia Z3 General] HornetRider:
I have no problem to get this screen on time with Android 5.1.1
[Xperia Z3 General] vv91xv:
Battery on 5.1.1 it's OK. Battery on Marchmallon definitely better.
[Xperia Z3 General] vv91xv:
Today battery. Awesome Marchmallon View attachment 3515452

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[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Just tap and hold on settings icon. It will activate System UI tweaker

---------- Post added at 22:19 ---------- Previous post was at 22:12 ----------

Nope, its a matter of SystemUI and not launcher. I use Google launcher and it is available ...
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
Oh, thanks guys, now I understand the "long press" tip. :D
[Xperia Z3 General] schetz:
Not related. Works with any launcher.

Edit : tip to myself, do not reply before first coffee. Missed answer above :)
[Xperia Z3 General] HellRoot:
You will get a mail... If you get chosen.
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
Concept updated. DT2W working!

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[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
It seems that they again go in batch, I have German Z3 and so far no confirmation for beta-testing and no update available... seems like IMEI checking again
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
Not confirm.... No update on OTA and Concept installer.... available version 2058-somc-Rxx
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
same here, nothing.... strange because my TAC seems a good one as per this post....
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
I think it's not related with IMEI verification, cause mine is 35571006 and I got the OTA.

Don't know if the fact of mine was flashed using a ftf file influenced.
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
my IMEI first 8 number is PASS(35518806..., o2 DE unlocked postpaid phone), my concept software not receive OTA update , here write one user, rollout new update from concept 6.0
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
yes an update is surely available, someone got it while someone else (like me and you) didn't get it yet. Hope it will arrive also here sooner or later
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
I received the OTA.

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[Xperia Z3 General] eldoggor:
What else do you see they added? Is there a pause button active while recording a video? It was in LP. What about dialer? Is the same or just looks like Sony? Thank you
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
interesting....
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
They added some layout modifications and transitions, DT2W and I'm looking for more.

I didn't see any pause button while I'm recording a video.

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[Xperia Z3 General] eldoggor:
Thanks, man!
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
still no update ... my IMEI TAC is accepted ... my software updater write: your device is up to date!
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
I am sure they check IMEI for updates, the same it was at beginning of older Concept. The update is pulled out of Amazon bucket (cloud) and one of the parameters is IMEI... you can check logcat for OTA update URL. I am not at my PC now, so no access to logcat...
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
I checked, the software update app does not generate internet traffic(on wifi 0byte, on LTE 0byte)...tips?
[Xperia Z3 General] shoey63:
Root is acheived for Unlocked Bootloaders

http://xdaforums.com/z3/development/kernel-ub-t3231710
[Xperia Z3 General] snurre:
Got an update notification, dismissed it as I needed to use the phone. The it scheduled the update at about 3am.

Tried to force it later, software update menu says device is up to date, and then I pressed the menu button there and the "Full OTA" choice. It gave me an unreachable error for some Amazon url.

Rebooted the phone, now the update notification is gone and the "full ota" menu choice is gone.

Did it update in the background, or was the update removed?

I'm at MRA58K.Z1.2058-somc.
[Xperia Z3 General] schetz:
I don't think it updated in the background as my phone rebooted and updated.
[Xperia Z3 General] snurre:
All right, that was my guess too.

What build number are you at after update?
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Root and OTA

There is a thing to consider when decided to root the phone by flashing custom kernel with recovery and SuperSU:

The OTA delivery is "block based" which means that it updates physical device bitmap rather than filesystem. This way is necessary to make it compatible with Verified Boot security. Unfortunately it means, that if you flash custom kernel and modify system partition by flashing SuperSU, the OTA delivery will fail (question is if there will be OTA available for unlocked bootloaders).

To retain root, you would need to:

- minimize changes to system to absolute minimum if possible, because all your changes you would have to repeat after each OTA upgrade

- before upgrade, you would need to reflash original system and kernel and after upgrade you need to check, if kernel changed

- if kernel remains same like before upgrade, you can reflash the customized kernel back and re-root the new upgraded system

- if the kernel was also upgraded, you most probably would need to wait for upgraded custom kernel and flash it when available
[Xperia Z3 General] nnmka:
You have a new OTA? I do not party testing. I was getting on the OTA concept 5.1.1. On Concept 6.0 is not received.

Sorry for my English
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Yes, read previous posts, some users are already receiving OTA to version 2085, but not everybody. Just wait, there is no other way to update than OTA.
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
IMO the concept MM don't need root for who gonna use the phone as a daily user, It's pretty clean and stable.

I'll gonna stay with the bootloader locked to receive the OTAs and see how good is that rom.

Only missing the stock SMS app from SONY, "maybe" the stock exchange mail too.

:(
[Xperia Z3 General] vRS Carl:
Damn. I wanted to be first to say I hadn't got the OTA yet. :p

Something I have noted is that the 'Full OTA' bit has gone from the Software Update in my menu. Still says 13 Oct for the date. But that part has just disappeared.
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
someone to look at the concept installer download build 2085?

check this file in c:\ProgramData\Sony Mobile\Update Engine\localstorage"..."\services.json -> find this in file: "[{"aPartId":"MRA58K.Z1","aVersion":"2085-somc" "
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
Maybe it can help.
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
I am glad that you have received this, but it did not help that I'm not indicate :p :angel:
[Xperia Z3 General] deepongi:
dt2w can be enabled with kernel audiutor.. The code it's there on the build, just need to be activated.

Regards.

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[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
Oh, my mistake.

Sorry.
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
No hard feelings right?:angel::cyclops:
[Xperia Z3 General] Aronuser:
I just tried a first run, even though marshmallow is really great.

the battery is, at this moment not better than on sony stock lp, it might be even worse.

just my 2 cents
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Have totally opposite experience.....
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
[MENTION=1077833]infected_[/MENTION] but do i need root for that? thanks!
[Xperia Z3 General] deepongi:
+1 Doze mode is great for battery. It's enabled by default. Check in the battery settings.

Regards.

yep, you need root to use kernel audiutor.

regards
[Xperia Z3 General] savo83:
Noticing a clear improvement after running for a number of days. Definitely better than LP, not sure about KK though
[Xperia Z3 General] shoey63:
Anyone here have the bug whereby main camera presents a black screen, but front camera is ok?
[Xperia Z3 General] vRS Carl:
No camera is ok for me. I've had a couple of random reboots today for some unknown reason.

Anyone else had the OTA update yet? I miss DT2W
[Xperia Z3 General] CHaPoCA:
I can create a ftf file from 2085-somc, but I don't know how to do. If someone link me a tutorial I can make it and upload here.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
You cant create ftf from live system. Ftf are only original unmodified sony sin files..
[Xperia Z3 General] ogunja:
Damn time I refused this update ? ? ?. He never appeared to me.

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[Xperia Z3 General] Danchibald:
to me appeared update notification for few seconds in call, and disappeared...

i don't understand??!!
[Xperia Z3 General] schetz:
Maybe it was an accidental update that should have not occurred. Anyway, funny behaviour, I was so close of hitting later, I'm glad I didn't.
[Xperia Z3 General] deepongi:
i am having it.. i even talked to @Gustavo RD78 about it ...

could it be related to us be using custom kernel with root?

regards.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Agree, there is a small chance that the update was recalled :)
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
Running this concept unmodified and no such bug for me. And I do take lots of pictures with this phone.
[Xperia Z3 General] FcukBloat:
one question: if i root, then can i delete things from system (apps), edit build.prop etc or doing like that phone won't boot anymore because of the mm security checks, verified boot etc? tia!
[Xperia Z3 General] snurre:
Someone used the Beta Feedback app?

None of the buttons work for me, force sync shows a toast message "syncing..", but last sync is still "never".

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[Xperia Z3 General] zmasterq:
Same my...

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[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
Beta feedback not working... sony says that the system automatically sends the necessary information to the server....I still have not received the 2085 update, while others are pretty,someone looking at him to download them to the 2085 system a concept installer?
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Rooting itself means writing su library and other stuff to system. You need modified kernel with verified boot removed. Guys already achieved root, however there are some problems with kernel, camera stopped to work.
[Xperia Z3 General] Aronuser:
Are you using Facebook Apps too?
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
n e v e r :victory:
[Xperia Z3 General] OnSugarHill:
Thanks for posting this! I tried it out and it was very smooth. Battery life was great too. Unfortunately, I can't use it. My proximity sensor is busted. When I make calls, the screen goes off because it thinks my ear is near the phone. On the regular lollipop version, I can hit the power button during a call and the screen would come back on. Unfortunately, they took that away in the calling app in Marshmallow :(
[Xperia Z3 General] okij:
You still should have warranty, so why don't you get it repaired by Sony?

My first Z3c had a non-working proximity sensor straight out of the box, therefore I immediately got a new Z3c by the vendor.

From what I read on the forums, faulty proximity sensors are not so uncommon.
[Xperia Z3 General] OnSugarHill:
The problem is that I broke the phone a few months ago. Dropped it, cracked the screen, and had it replaced by a local shop around here. That was a mistake on my part. I should have contacted Sony to have it fixed. I believe they won't repair a phone that has already been opened up or had a screen replaced.
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
They will, although not for free
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
I registered this application, I received confirming your registration email

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http://www.vinereport.com/article/sony.android.marshmallow.update.sony.concept.for.android.marshmallow.to.z3.z3.compact.users/3992.htm
[Xperia Z3 General] ogunja:
Bro he is already registered for a long time. [MENTION=6351145]ondrejvaroscak[/MENTION] :silly:
[Xperia Z3 General] ondrejvaroscak:
Everybody received this one.... This is registration, not your acceptance in BETA program.
[Xperia Z3 General] spityu85hun:
According to them, the OTA works accepted for registered users only?
[Xperia Z3 General] OnSugarHill:
I've called them and asked about it before. They won't touch the phone if it's been opened by a 3rd party
[Xperia Z3 General] Danchibald:
2spityu85hun

Nope, because some people got OTA, and they are not registered to beta...