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[Xperia Z5 General] jetbruceli:
I am including a few I took from the s6 and z5 on auto, the only difference is I changed the res to highest and disabled flash. Just download zip and view by date. Also you will know which is which by the naming. Samsung has the date and sony does the old camera naming scheme.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-CYMzFSP0gQS2pHdTd1MV96MTQ/view?usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
But there will be.

My Z2 on Manual and Auto is like two different phones.

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Well sure, choose what you like.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
I immensely hate video reviews of image / photography capabilities. It's like you'd like to assess a video / film capability by assessing the 24 frames in a second of movie, one by one.

Nonetheless in this review, aside from the flower show where Z5 looks good to excellent the rest of images are just plagued by the same "mushiness"... :(

P.S. Damn that front facing iPhone camera: I could have sworn the reviewer was wearing a black jacket (not a blue one as proved by the Z5)!!!
[Xperia Z5 General] jetbruceli:
check above by 3, i posted photos from s6 and z5
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Good to see some improvement!

Ok, I have looked a bit (will do more at home) and here are my observations:

- the beer fridge pictures should be both discarded since it looks like 1/33s and 1/32s it's too much for your shaky hands. You have probably trial test some of those brands before the shooting! :p

- the house picture on S6 is definitely OOF or shaken. Else the one on the Z5 is excellent.

- the foliage picture is just impressive on the Z5. The S6 delivers but the sharpness and details on the Z5 are outstanding.

- the flower in the pot: I like the S6 more... despite the fact that the metering in the two shots is not similar given the reference station (where you stood when you took the pic) being changed from S6 to Z5 and thus Z5 looking brighter.

- the pumpkin shot: Z5 is again very, very good both in terms of details and exposure. Unfortunately the focus on the S6 shot is on the windows frame/pane....

I appreciate your support in clarifying the "Z5 drama"! :) I would very much like (if you could) to take some more shots in really tough situations (contre-jour, low light, surfaces at big distances bearing fin details [e.g. bricks wall], surfaces prone to generating moire effects) that will further more help with the overall assessment of the Z5 camera! ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Pixelguy:
Im Glad i came across this! :good:

I currently have an S6 Edge even though i always told myself id never own a samsung lol but have been considering trading it in for the new Z5 because i really liked my original Xperia Z and miss the waterproofing! But now im not going to, because of the non QHD screen and over-rated camera.

In fact every single Sony phone i have used has had a pretty bad camera! even the ones with high megapixel count, which really confused me because sony make the sensors for every other flagship smartphone camera out there!?

Im not trying to be a fanboy but apples iphones had the best cameras over android phones a few years back... but over time samsung have for sure made the best smartphone cameras in the world with they're new flagship devices. fact. :)

I can honestly see sony mobile going under very soon, i believe the new 4k screen was they're way to catch up and even that is a gimmick.

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Yet Sony have even advertised that the Z5 camera can hold its quality at x4 zoom over competitors... :eek:
[Xperia Z5 General] jetbruceli:
I took all shots from the same position and it seems the z5 has a wider lense. By the way the s6 I have has a sony sensor too.

I think though I am returning the phone. From an s6 this bigger and the edges are sharp. It's like u can feel a band around. Plus the phone was suppose to be a special Bond version but all it came with was a Keychain and a paper saying I can download a bond theme for free but there was nothing there.

Overall the s6 camera is better in terms of use and how quick it snaps the photo. The z5 has a pause after every shot
[Xperia Z5 General] tony bowey:
took some pictures today all auto.

s1377.photobucket.com/user/Anth_Bowey/library/
[Xperia Z5 General] jetbruceli:
I think just about any camera is great outside. Its the inside photos that need special attention. I noticed if you dont select HDR on it, it wont take photos that need it in Superior auto. The s6 has it automatically.

However, my main purchasing choice comes down to a good battery and feel. The z5 could have been it but its not very comfortable to hold
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Ah, no, that's not true. The Z5 and S6 pics look about as good. I've personally looked at quite a few pics now of the Z5, G4, S6, iphone 6/6s, and when the pics are zoomed in the same amount, I think the Z5 is generally as good, if not better than the others. It's only the comparison pics where excessive zoom is applied to the Z5 where it looks worse. The problem is that most reviewers are not taking into account the 24mm lens on the Z5 (vs. 28mm and 30mm lens).

The (bad) reviews take pics from the same distance, then zoom in on objects until they are the same size (digitally), which means the Z5 pics are zoomed in much further. So of course, they appear blurry. Heck, any pic will look blurry and pixelated if it's zoomed in far enough. It's basically taking a pic with a telephoto lens and comparing it to a digitally zoomed wide-angle pic, and claiming the telephoto lens is better.

:crying:

Short version: The Z5 is getting a bad rap because reviewers don't know basic photography. Reviews need to account for distance of objects based on the lens and focal length of each camera, which affects the size and optical resolution of objects in the frame. Unfortunately, many reviews don't.
[Xperia Z5 General] ama3654:
Galaxy S6 vs Sony Xperia Z5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Yxha0-I10
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Ooooh, you don't tell! Oh, you master of photography!

Geeez man, get yourself together and stop patronizing the others. You're just missing the point of the whole debate here. Come back when you're brave enough to correctly read an EXIF and be able to tell digital zoom in a picture from another. Unless you come up with your own effort towards helping solving / clearing our concerns about Z5 camera just stop. You're just trolling and you also do it lame.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
QED!
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
What's with the vitriol? So go ahead and explain it me. As far as I know:

1) Z5 has a much wider FOV.

2) The objects in the Z5 pics (like at IFA) are smaller compared to the pics taken with the other phones.

So how do you do an apples-to-apples comparison? The phones have a fixed lens, so as far as I know, the only way would be for the person to move closer to the objects, so that the objects and FOV are the same on the Z5 as the other cameras. Are you saying the size of the objects in the frame doesn't matter?

As far as I know, no review has adjusted the distance to take pics, so that the objects would be the same relative size. I can't see how it would be fair otherwise, but you tell me. Thanks!
[Xperia Z5 General] supercakefish:
The zoom level would need to be set at a fixed percentage in all photos taken and remain consistent between all of the cameras.
[Xperia Z5 General] Pixelguy:
Well yesterday I popped into the o2 store to have a quick go on the new Z5, I compared it next to my S6 edge and the camera was average (baring in mind I was stuck to the conditions of the store) I don't know if it was just because the screen on the s6 portrays images better because its qhd or if the z5 camera is just not very good but it felt like I was using a Z3, very blurry and noisy images in low light and also yes the auto focus was very quick BUT that's when it actually focused on what you wanted it to! It struggled to catch focus on close up shots!

Also worth a mention the new frosted glass on the back makes the device feel very plastic like, just didn't feel all that premium.

I don't think I'll be getting the Z5 Anymore.
[Xperia Z5 General] zaki67:
Is ther a significant difference in battery life between the S6 and the Z5 since you used both?
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
For all people saying image quality is bad for xperia z5, heres a full photo resolution comparison at 23mp vs Samsung Galaxy S6 at 16mp (Sony sensor) and vs Samsung Galaxy S6 at 16mp (Isocell Sensor)

Now please tell me how terrible the camera quality of xperia z5 is...

After opening the link Click on the pictures to enlarge to 100% zoom

Xperia z5: http://postimg.org/image/r05ev69t5/

Galaxy S6 (Sony): http://postimg.org/image/ia8nf37s9/

Galaxy S6 (Isocell): http://postimg.org/image/whyc3qkh5/
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
The colors seem best on the Z5, but the S6 with Sony sensor is fairly close behind.

Overall, the image is a little bit more blurry on the Z5. With the Z5 grass, leaves, small details are overall more blurry. It is visually slightly less accurate. I see that every time I look at a Z5 picture in a comparison.

(The right side of the Z5 picture is very blurry (I guessed you are left-handed making the right side blurry instead of left side). Wide-angle lens side effect that is a feature more than a side-effect)

DxO mark says it anyway, looking at the 'Edge acutance' score:

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/6254840659/dxomark-mobile-report-sony-xperia-z5

Maybe they look less at pictures on the screen, and more once printed?

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Very nice pictures... I too shot (what I presume are) 1914-1918 WW trenches, in NW France. Scary, and real.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
How can you say that the xperia z5 is blurry? look at the isocell version and the right side is alot blurrier than xperia z5.

Also look at the buildings, windows, etc, xperia z5 picture is way crispier quality than sony or isocell, oh and btw, i holded the phone properly, i am not a leftie.
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
The S6 Isocell picture is of inferior quality.

Right, Z5 vs. S6-Sony is not obvious. The Z5 does have great clarity. I was wrong on that one, my apology - I just looked carefully. The only area where more details show up on the S6's are the leaves on the road on the left side (above and left of the dark VW SUV), and the yellow flowers in the grass. These do not appear on the Z5. Apart from that, the Z5 details are great, and better actually. You're right.

Maybe the original post's pictures blurriness (not talking about side blurriness) are due to the larger FOV and older camera version, and that's all.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
Now i agree with your statement, yes, xperia z5 smudges near colors but thats normal for a sensor of 23mp, too many tiny pixels can cause color bleeding into nearby pixels or whatever you call the camera sensor pixels, still xperia z5 camera is excelent, sharper details and better colours than both galaxy s6 (sony or isocell) but galaxy s6 resolves better texture details.

In the end its a trade off, you want sharper image quality and better color accuracy or better texture details.

My point was to show that Xperia Z5 camera isnt inferior to galaxy s6 camera as some people like to point out and statements that all pictures are blurry and whatever are fake or they have a damaged xperia z5.

On top of that, galaxy s6 lens is of bad quality, as soon as the OIS shakes the lens you will notice blurriness near center of screen probably because when OIS is correcting the lens to reduce blurriness caused by shaking, its zooming in differently from different portions of the lens which causes in a corner of the lens to display the proportion of an area differently than the center of the lens like a fisheye vs a human eye.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I agree, when we neglect FOV, Galaxy S6 images have better texture detail than Z5. It's mostly just a matter of post-processing. Z5's textures can be enhanced by applying local contrast with Unsharp Mask in Photoshop. I have experimented with this.

I like the color reproduction in Z5 more. Difference is not big, but S6 colors are too saturated, for my tastes. Samsung applies aggressive noise reduction to the image. After that Samsung slightly oversharpens the image. There are always sharpening artifacts visible in S6 images. Sony has decided to leave more noise and detail in Z5 images. Samsung's image processing is generally more appealing to the untrained eye, with less noise and more sharpening. I like Sony's approach more, as i always post-process my images in Photoshop.

Z5 does not have smaller pixels than galaxy S6. They both already have the smallest pixels in the market at 1.1 micrometers. Z5 has 1.5 times more pixels, but at the same time Z5 has 1.5 times bigger sensor.
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
May i know why Samsung camera resolve better texture?

Edit: my answer is in the post above,post processing is better in Samsung's phones.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
No it's not better. Sony has less sharpening (atleast pre Z3) and noise reduction becouse you wont be able to upload a fullsize 16/21/23MP image to social medias as they will be downscaled by respective sites algorithm. and when you downscale you get bluriness especially going 21/23MP to social media sizes of width 2048/960 pixels which masks noise. Also you can tune your photos in the Samsung camera app so you can make it look different/better and claim it is original untouched yet there is a mark in full exif that reveals it though so you can notice unfair comparisions if you are talking 1:1 no editing, no presets and no profiles applied while taking photo on-the-go.
[Xperia Z5 General] mihaid:
good comparison but if you look at the clouds you can see that there have been large periods of time between each of those shots. Could you do 3 more shots close in time together? Say within a minute all three?
[Xperia Z5 General] TheWarKeeper:
Unfortunately i am not that rich and can only afford 1 750€ phone, i do not own all 3 phones anymore.

To minimize the effect i took them all at the same time period of the day with a few minutes discrepancies in the daytime even though the photos have been taken at different dates.
[Xperia Z5 General] Kiwito22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fRFqFeQ6tM
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
After zoom Sony XPERIA Z5 picture is the best. I think you made point. Galaxy S6 (Sony camera) is the worst. So there goes down the claim that other manufactures have done better job with Sony sensor than Sony who is making that sensors. Yes, Sony XPERIA Z5 doesn't have perfect camera but it is better than others.
[Xperia Z5 General] MafiaManV:
I just love the wide angle lens on Z5 camera. Yeah some areas could be improved, but i just love the camera of my Z5P.
[Xperia Z5 General] Jonathan-H:
It's worse than the S6 sony sensor picture to be fair but then daytime shots should be pretty close regardless of phone.

Low light shots are excellent in the main when you use manual 23mp, but would be improved further with OIS and manual controls so we could take sharp shots with no motion blur and noise.

That said, daytime shots on the Z5 are also excellent from what i've taken, but then they should be. It's hardly taxing to take pictures in the day.
[Xperia Z5 General] Arup ZR:
Have Nokia 1020, Nokia 808 and now the Z5 which easily excels both in terms of camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Well in low light it would easily beat them as the Z1 already beats them. Not just in ISO and ability to bring out detail from the dark but also noise and clarity (21+ MP with scene modes or 8MP high ISO mode). The S6 cant even go past ISO 1250 and the quality is worse than for example the Z1 at ISO 1600 and same shutter speed. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I have used Nokia 808 extensively. I have also tested Lumia 1020.

Compared to Z5, 808 has three times bigger sensor, so it's no surprise that 808 will beat Z5 almost in every way. 808 has better detail and better high ISO (low light) performance. But the difference is surprisingly small. Sensor technology has clearly gotten better since the launch of 808. Color reproduction in Z5 is very good, at least on par with 808 (at least in good to moderate lighting). That is an amazing achievement by Sony.

Nokia/Lumia is light years ahead when it comes to the camera app. Nokia's app is so easy to use and it has all the features you could wish for. Sony should be ashamed of themselves for saying that Z5 has a manual mode. That is disgustingly misleading. Z5 does not have a manual mode. It doesn't even have a proper program (P) mode. Sony's "manual mode" should be renamed as "annoying mode", because it's so difficult to use. It actually looks like Sony's camera app developers have designed the app to torture end users. It really is that bad.

I have never owned 808 or 1020 because they are too bulky and they have the wrong operating system.
[Xperia Z5 General] Arup ZR:
The bigger sensor is older Toshiba and is crammed with pixels and the older design means less sharpness. My 808 has died due to faulty usb connector but 1020 is still around. I have shots taken and full rez and downsized 5MP. The SONY wins clearly and also has better DRO and way better focusing.
[Xperia Z5 General] pressytcn:
I owned the Nokia lumia 920 i was very happy about the camera but the phone it self didn't meet my needs when it comes to apps at that time so i sold it again and got the z1 but i loved the way the camera worked

Later on i got the 1020 for a small price of about 15$ because the previous owner had inserted a microsim adapter without the simcard but the got easily fixed and again the Nokia camera is good but the software yuk they still don't have a proper youtube app due to the feud they had with Google over their they made so camera wise it's exactly what you want but that's it
[Xperia Z5 General] Arup ZR:
Sad part is the future of my 1020 is indefinite thanks to MS's apathetic handling of updates. Till now Skype is buggy, Facebook sucks and many pics turn up with yellow tint. Only beauty is the DNG RAW mode and that reveals details like no other. Also focusing is bane of this phone.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Agree. Pure incompetence, period. ISO/white balance/focus mode is located in menu instead of being available on viewfinder to allow for a 2 tap selection. No shutter speed selection, the image stabilisation is ridiculous as it ups ISO to have higher shutter speed but doesn't use nor gyro or anything else to measure movements as you get same ISO and shutter speed regardless if handheld or mounted. Then they lock ISO, white balance for third party. Why?

I would say take some of FV-5 and ProCaptures design. FV-5, showing ISO and shutter speed for photos taken on the viewfinder, easy to access buttons, ProCaptures special photo modes, add it to the stock camera, allow for scene modes at full resolution since the camera on all Z1+ can use all scene modes in 21-23MP, even ISO 6400-12800 mode. One helluva camera app it would be. And allow for RAW and custom white balance and 2-3 custom presets aswell as in-app tuning of sharpness, de-noising, contrast and saturation.
[Xperia Z5 General] 07sergei1:
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[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
I used FV-5 on my previous Samsung phones for years, and it has quite a nice layout and feature set. FV-5 is just not functional on Z5, which sucks. Sony really should update the software so that 3rd party camera apps would be functional and usable.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Compare these two pictures from Lumia 1520 and sony z5. Plz revert back...
[Xperia Z5 General] bubimir13:
Which is from which phone? 1st one is from Z5 or Lumia and second one? I would say on blind, 1st one looks more real with colours, but 2nd one has more details
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
First one Lumia 1520 and sony z5 is second
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
2 is better than 1. IMHO.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Could plz elaborate, thanks

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https://flic.kr/p/Dcxtdj

https://flic.kr/p/D5giSq

Full resolution pictures...
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Your exif says the Z5 photo was modified after it was taken. Anyway the Lumia photo looks what we think are the most natural even though it is to cold. The Z5 photo just is to warm. I would guess the reality is somewhere inbetween both, no?

Quality wise the Z5 wins IMO. Better natural detail, bokeh, less noise and artifacts on different photo areas aswell as no marks of the post-processing.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Pretty much what he said. ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] MTechRD:
I am very Disappointed speaking about the camera quality and the battery life.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Personally I like the quality of Lumia 1520 as they look more natural. The image size is mere 1.22MB as compared to sony with 6.40MB...lower size with great picture quality.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Because of the perspective, it's a bit hard to tell how high the Sun has been in the sky when taking the pictures. If the Sun was near the horizon, the warm colors of the Z5 would be more accurate. Based on the shadows on the floor, it seems to me that the sun has been quite high, and not so close to the horizon. The Sun appears to have been behind a thin cloud because otherwise the contrast between direct sunlight and shadows would have much bigger. I believe that's the reason why the sunlight seems so soft (just like direct sunlight when the Sun is close to the horizon).

That's strange because most of the time Z5's automatic white balance is quite reliable. And usually when Z5's white balance is off, the colors are too cold and not too warm as it appears to be in this picture. Well, we can't make conclusions based on just one picture.

Z5 image is 23 megapixels and 1520 image is 5.3 megapixels, so 1520 image is severely downsized in terms of resolution, so we can't make any meaningful comparisons about detail levels.
[Xperia Z5 General] gm007:
I have lumia 930 if anyone interested i can compare the cameras.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
The Lumia 1530 photo is 5,3MP due to being 'supersampled'. Of course it will have smaller size than the 23MP image. You could in such case used the SA 8MP mode of the Z5 and it would also 'supersample', look great and have a smaller filesize than with 23MP.

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Lumias photo is 'supersampled' and Flickr downscales photo-to-view to a width of 2048 pixels so they can be fairly well compared.
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
Personally i am not interested in comparing details in 3MP downsized photos when both cameras actually have over 20MP sensors. I don't see any value in that. It makes no sense to me.

Sure, we can compare other aspects of the photos in downsized format, but just not the level of details these cameras are able to produce.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
Sony has that tendency in history, my Z1c and some older xperia model got similar results. Generally Sony WB has been good but when it off, it will go to cold side.
[Xperia Z5 General] rajkant1984:
Macro shots from Sony xperia z5
[Xperia Z5 General] Apoxx:
Oh dear just got mine today, aaaaand its going straight back. Worst camera I've had in a smartphone in years. Good job sony, how did you even mess this one up with such a good sensor?
[Xperia Z5 General] swooc:
^it's not too bad, in manual mode anyway. i find photos upto iso1600 are useable. but of course that's highly subjective.

anyone know if the paid version of fv-5 allows shutter speed adjustments on the z5?
[Xperia Z5 General] N0whereMan:
No, sadly it doesn't. FV-5 does let you choose shutter speed between 1 second and 60 seconds. It's just that the results are beyond comprehension.

In practise, Z5's own camera app is the only reasonable option at this time. No 3rd party camera app is going to give you more functions. We can only hope that Sony will fix these disgusting software issues in the future. Like I have said before, Sony should be ashamed of themselves.