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[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Dear all,

Like they say "the devil's in the details" and "the beauty is in the eye of the beholder"... Nonetheless this is not meant to inflame anyone but rather to open your eyes for what is to be seen.

It's not about fanboys wars but about waking up Sony until it's not too late. The idea for the pictures below is simple: they represent 100% zooms in comparisons of some of the currently available "heads on" camera tests between Sony Z5 and other models.

So far I will save my comments for later on. I should add I am a pro photographer for more than 15 year and - aside from the artistic misconceptions I might have - at least I properly understand what digital image quality about.

Source of images used in this comparison:

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk...ompact-review/

AND

http://www.phonearena.com/news/First...arison_id73408

Provided other comparisons will show-up on the web I will take my time to add more of such 100% match-up. Enjoy and... spread the love! :highfive:

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[IMG="Proof 1"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_1.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 2"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_2.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 3"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_3.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 4"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_4.jpg[/IMG]

>>>> Correction: the caption on the right should read Galaxy S6 not Note5. My bad! :(

[IMG="Proof 5"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_5.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 6"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_6.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 7"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_7.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 8"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_8.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 9"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_9.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 10"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_10.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 11"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_11.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 12"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_12.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG="Proof 13"]http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_13.jpg[/IMG]
[Xperia Z5 General] Masssy:
Hm, sure looks like the quality is quite bad compared to the Note 5 which is strange since reviews seem to rank it as one of the absolute best at the moment.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
I know dxomarks rushed review has given enormously high hopes to everyone looking at Sony but let's take that review with a pinch of salt. I highly dislike big praising reviews where no "pixel peeping" proofs are made available so that upon having finished reading the report everyone can get a good grasp at the proofs in the file and go home thoroughly accepting the results.

Not the case unfortunately with dxomarks and their last two "shouted" reviews: Sony's Z5 and Huawei's 6P... :(
[Xperia Z5 General] IT.Adviser:
Lol. No EXIF data. Nothing except Adobe Photoshop data in EXIF. http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http://www.zoomzoom.ro/z5/proof_1.jpg

Why do we must ever speak with you?
[Xperia Z5 General] dule020:
Same old problem like the first xperia z... Noise...
[Xperia Z5 General] augie7107:
Thanks for the comparison but in reality, if you truly want quality pictures in all conditions, no mobile phone will satisfy. That is why cameras are available.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Let's not bring this to a kindergarten quarrel leveled, ok?

It is not about how we feel about brands and personal affinities. I have done a 100% fare comparison by opening the available pictures at the already discussed threads on xda Sony Z5 General sections. So, help yourself! ;)

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4953454/1/rv/sony-xperia-z5-compact-review/

AND

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Firs...vs-Z3-vs-G4-camera-samples-comparison_id73408
[Xperia Z5 General] kervinsota1234:
dissapointing xperia z5 camera quality :(
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Ah guys, it's a 23mm wide-angle lens

The Xperia Z5 uses a 23mm wide-angle lens vs. the Note 5's 28mm lens. So, the Z5 pics are probably like 100% zoomed in further. I'm no photography expert (I'm a tech guy), but I think that speaks for itself. Those pics are not a fair comparison.

:eek:

Edit: Correction, 24mm lens on the Z5.
[Xperia Z5 General] jetbruceli:
edit:Nevermind these arent your own photos. Cant take this an end all situation

Where did you get the photos? I mean they seem to be taken from many places and are you comparing a 16mp vs 8? or 23mp actual to 16mp
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
It's not about focal lenghts

Hi [MENTION=355403]joe_dude[/MENTION],

It's not about focal lens here, in this comparison. Z5's 23mm vs a 28mm (Note5 or other camera) would result more in distortions and image degradation towards the image left/right sides, where Z5 seems to exhibit strong errors (as already pointed out in other threads). The 100% zoomed in crops I used in this comparison where mainly taken in the center area of the original picture so that it doesn't affect the overall balance of evaluation. So, NO, this is not where I tried to evaluate focal lengths and how their induced distortion was corrected by Sony's Z5. :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Hi [MENTION=4069714]jetbruceli[/MENTION],

I have updated the initial post with the links to the original pictures. All the pictures are 23mpx to the actual size of the compared cameras (16mpx for Note5 / S6 / G4).

Try to focus on the actual pictures quality and leave aside and supposed wrongdoing tentative on my behalf while proposing this comparison. :)
[Xperia Z5 General] IT.Adviser:
Do you think, that we can compare totally different files with absolute different size?

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on..._4523_d3ed90416a666e289d48f11080b9c155ori.JPG

5,520 × 4,140

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on..._4523_f99d567409097f8c93322a5ed1978f9bori.jpg

5,312 × 2,988

I can take pictures with 100x100 size on 10 years old device and they will look superb comparing with 5000x5000 photos. If you want to compare set exactly same conditions and file setups.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
But you're comparing the cars, for example, at the same size. In the original pic, the car is smaller with the Z5. All the pics taken with the Z5 are zoomed out further. You will lose quality by zooming in closer. A fair test would require the shooter to walk slightly closer, so that the size of the objects with each camera matches up. That said, the iphone pics are zoomed in much farther. Now I understand why the iphone gets decent quality - by sacrificing FOV.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Hi [MENTION=843817]IT.Adviser[/MENTION],

Your reasoning is puzzling! :)) Sorry to be that blunt!-aspect

"Do you think, that we can compare totally different files with absolute different size?".... Man, this is what the camera sensors of two different smartphones are throwing out. One is a multi-aspect (Z5 is both 4:3 and 16:9) and one is a 16:9 (on Note5). What is the problem then? I opened each and every picture in Photoshop, zoomed to 100% and chose same size crop (1.000x1.000 pixels) in pretty much the same area, so the comparison is absolutely fare! Recheck your reasoning, pls! ;)

"According to some new evidence, it looks like the new sensor on the Sony Xperia Z5 series actually has a resolution of 25MP, although the photos you can extract from it are limited to 23MP due to the difference between the two standard aspect ratios. When shooting in portrait mode - a 4:3 aspect ratio - the sensor is capable of taking photos at 5,520 x 4,140 pixels (23MP). In landscape - 16:9 aspect ratio - mode, the camera takes photos at 5,984 x 3,366 pixels (20MP).

Read more at http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-Sony-Xperia-Z5-series-actually-has-a-25MP-multi-aspect-primary-camera-sensor_id73325#ofcKoe4y1dz93ck5.99"
[Xperia Z5 General] IT.Adviser:
I agree with you, that Sony photos are bad. But, I disagree about such comparison of this photos.
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Really? Really, really, really? I am not sure if you keep attacking the methodology used here or just asking for details in an offensive manner... Yet, the picture you're talking about has not been re-sized, fact you could easily observe from the attachment below. The EXIF bears the original details of the file that happen to match the Z5 capabilities (resolution, etc.)

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[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Not sure why...

Why would you? I am open to describe the step-by-step workflow I followed when performing the assessment just to make sure that everybody is confident about the result. Unfortunately I am no at home, else I could even provide you with the .PSD file I have created with all the layers used in the comparison, so that you could let go the paranoia about the methodology.

I am not a fan of any brand (had owned quite too many of them actually to be a fan o any in particular) but i think the most important thing here is to let the community know (aside from the paid reviews by "precious" 3rd parties) about the current standing of image quality in Z5's camera. Agree?
[Xperia Z5 General] a.mubher:
Depends on where you look, You can easily nitpick something while ignoring the general result, here are some examples from the same collections of pictures you used.

Z5 on left, Note5 on right, over sharpened and exposed.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Your looking at early September firmware...

But yeah the Z5 photos aren't as good as Sony and DXOMark are making it sound.

[YOUTUBE]t5KgLNhKB5Y[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]OoTFkqovgok[/YOUTUBE]
[Xperia Z5 General] lagittaja:
Amen brother, freaking Amen.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
This is EXACTLY what happened to Z2.

For a long time it's 8mpx performance was great and 21mpx one noticeably worse.

Colours, and detail - worse.

And than they sorted this out and now the best photos are with full res.

So I assume the same will happen to Z5.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Night shots,..... Blimey

Before now, I have ignored the dedicated night mode setting on the camera because on the Z1 it was next to useless. Today I tried it. This was the result.

https://flic.kr/p/zuSFhU

The hybrid, closed loop stabilisation must be helping, here. On the Z1 I could never ever keep it still enough for a blur free image on Night Scene mode. On this shot,.... Well, I have never seen a phone camera produce a night shot with that little noise before (You may have?). Extraordinary.
[Xperia Z5 General] lipali:
What do you think:

When I take this photo: https://goo.gl/photos/pyRTPYy47Hx7a9aNA in room was quite dark - only little desk lamp. Its reflection can be seen in closet.

This photo https://goo.gl/photos/RxRskPJSraKWKCfF8 was taken from my balcony. Try to read license plate numbers on white car. :)

And this was done "because I can":

https://goo.gl/photos/YvfKB3gz3XyaEqkj8

https://goo.gl/photos/LRY6Dw13zyH55cBJ7

All photos were taken with a tripod (very small tripod) with night landscape mode. Exposure time and ISO can be read from EXIF.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
So was that taken with a tripod or just hand held? Would it be possible to take that pic with a camera or another phone to do a comparison shot? That night photo looks almost a bit too good, but hard to judge without another camera to compare against. Closed-loop actuator FTW! :o
[Xperia Z5 General] lopri:
I've always liked dynamic ranges on Sony cameras. I really appreciate spatial depth in a photo which gives me the sense of the space (shape, distance, order of things, etc.) Photos taken on iPhones look like Impressionist paintings. (see below :laugh: )

I am also very impressed by Z5's video camera quality, as shown in Recombu's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaU_lPhS5Lo (4K)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxkJMutHOfk (1080p)
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Hand held - you still have to keep your hands VERY steady or it will blur.

The only other phone I could compare it with is a Z1 and I need to get my skates on and recycle that before its financially worthless. I would dearly love to pit it against a Galaxy S6 for night shots. Based on DxOmark's pixel peeping, this destroys the iPhone 6s in these situations.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I would say the shots are impressive.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Chinese article on how to take "good" photos by adjusting the settings.

http://unwire.hk/2015/10/15/sony-xperia-z5-tokyo/mobile-phone/
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I don't get any sense from the Google Translate out of it.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Wasn't perfect but I got the general gist of it.

But I guess "good read" was the wrong term to describe it.

The photos before and after changing the settings did help though!
[Xperia Z5 General] Funk2641:
So the consensus is: use the 8mp selection in auto and manual?
[Xperia Z5 General] snoopygum:
The gist of the article is to play with white balance and exposure settings to get what you want.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Ok :) that means they know what I also discovered on my Z2 :)
[Xperia Z5 General] xpzx:
my current device - z3 compact pretty much screamed to me not to buy this device, quite glad too, z3c has had way too many problems for me - and z5 has barely any improvement on camera or .... anything!
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Wouldn't agree at all about the camera: the Z5 has a far superior snapper, IMHO.
[Xperia Z5 General] xpzx:
hmm, you are probably right, I only looked at the specs for it... camera looked the same at a glance. my headphone jack died on me repeatedly after repairs
[Xperia Z5 General] ibip:
Since it's the main camera related thread, may I ask you guys, what's the longest shutter speed you can set on Z5 with camera fv-5? It's an important thing for me, because I consider buying this handset, yet I have to be able to take photos of thunderstorms with it.
[Xperia Z5 General] Tehmace:
Guys, go check photo comparision on Gsmarena. I chose xperia Z5, S6 edge+ and note 5. To me Z5 looks like a winner.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Not sure if there is a consensus yet. The few people who have the Z5 currently are still playing with different settings. I think the only consensus right now is if someone wants to use "full auto", leave it at the default 8 MP SA. I think people are still having a hard time wrapping their head around the idea that 8 MP pics can somehow be better.

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http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=7534&idPhone2=7079

They used the 23 MP mode. The detail is quite good, but noise is visible. Wish they had 8 MP mode, then we could do some serious comparisons.
[Xperia Z5 General] SirRobin78:
For all pictures i´ve seen currently, it seems that the blurry left (corner) problem doesn´t exist, right?

In the Z5 compact thread it is a great issue....
[Xperia Z5 General] Tehmace:
Of course you can see in 8mp mode. Under the photo (on the left) there's a box to choose (No scaling as standard) and choose 8mp
[Xperia Z5 General] TobbeSwe:
Sony says that the Xperia Z5 is the best and even DxO does the same... But i have to disagree about that now when i have seen what WP has done with their new Lumia line-up with the 950/XL. The picture quality is so superior to what the Sony Xperia Z5 can produce.

Sony has alot of work to do if they wanna be the best smartphone camera maker.

Just check this out and be stunned what Juha Alaharhu has done with the Lumia 950.

He even used the Galaxy S6 as a comparison phone. And there are full sizes pictrues included direct from the camera of the Lumia 950. http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/15/camera-magic-on-microsoft-lumia-950-and-lumia-950-xl/

If and when the Xperia line-up can start produceing quality like this i will be super happy...
[Xperia Z5 General] mcc666:
i am sorry if someone has already touched it. I was quite satisfied (i'd say very) with camera on my Z3 (unfortunately it sank in a lake), anyhow i was using Perfectly Clear software in camera mode when it was possible (takes veeery long to start it). This piece of software was able to push z3 cam to the edge. Now i am on lg g4 (didn't know z5 would be released so soon) and i am neither satisfied from the phone nor from the Perfectly Clear software running on it. So you may try to check this option to enhance the quality?

Best regards,

MCC
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Yeah, it can rescale, but I think that's a rescale of the 23 MP image, not a photo actually taken in 8 MP from the phone. Oh well, it's still useful for some comparisons. :)

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The pics look pretty clean, except for the night pic (which has a lower resolution for some reason as well). There is also a lack of landscape pics, so it's hard to judge. It's gonna be interesting to see how it ranks. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have as many good phone apps, but I think they've been doing some cool things lately, like the Surface Book. I hope they can get some market share and break up the Google/Apple domination a bit.

But I'll stick with the Z5. The IA stabilized video is still going to way better than what the Lumia can do.

:victory:

Edit: Lumia 950 has a F1.9, 26mm, 1/2.4" sensor. Pretty good!
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
You find FV5 camera useful and working well?

It seems it produces worse shots than stock camera and it actually

works in a strange way. It's very inconsistent. Maybe I do something wrong?
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Holy crap [MENTION=5648469]TobbeSwe[/MENTION]!

I haven't been in WOW (when seeing pics from a smartphone) for quite some time now! Actually last time when I did it it was "because" of a LUMIA!

Is the history repeating?
[Xperia Z5 General] TobbeSwe:
Perhaps history is repeating itself again.. The Lumia phones have strong cameras but it´s because this guy Juha Alakarhu who is the Lumia camera wizard.. What he has done is amazing and he is really dedicated to his work to make perfection. I only wish Sony did the same =/
[Xperia Z5 General] monx®:
read again. thin, waterproof. "best camera in waterproof smartphone" -sony. i even owns 2 inches thick galaxy k zoom. 100 times better camera than my previous sony z series. get the points? :cool:
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
k zoom was utter crap next to any good smartphone. it was beaten by xperias, and other galaxies too.

troll? ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] dehnhaide:
Meaningless Friday night trolling? ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Mano1982:
I don't think he was trolling. He was trying to make a point that if you want PERFECT shots, get a proper camera. And Sony never said that Z5 is the best camera ever.. They only said, best camera in waterproof smartphones. I don't think he was trolling if i understood it correctly :)
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Guys, Nirave over on Android Authority is having a hard time taking stable night shots (he's using SA in 23 and 8 MP modes). He's testing the Z5 for their review.

http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-z5-impressions-649456/

It leads me to one question: Is SteadyShot working in Superior Auto? So far, it looks like the pics on manual are a lot more stable and clean.
[Xperia Z5 General] Ben36:
Do people prefer using the 16:9 or 4:3 settings for their photos?

Also for video recording do you like the stabiliser?

Sent from my Xperia z5 by Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] dondavis007:
I just think you have steady shot in 8mp manual

Skickat från min LG-H815 via Tapatalk
[Xperia Z5 General] htko89:
As usual Sony's compression and noise algorithms cause a dramatic loss of quality. I'm surprised because they make good sensors. I had this same feeling when I got my xperia z2. While good in low light (usable image), it's pretty bad a small details and such.

It's even worse without sony's software, a test without compression (bootloader unlocked) shows lots of RGB pixel noise.

Hopefully with time, there will be more example / test shots with the z5. I'm really interested in this device.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I disagree. I also have Z2 and the detail in low light is quite good once you make it properly.

Check my Flickr.

And this is the example of a really improved camera performance by Sony.
[Xperia Z5 General] cyleo:
I'm not entirely sure if the software of the Z5 struggles with background lightning, or if I have a faulty unit with the known 'left-side-blur'. What do you think of these pictures?
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Pictures are not displaying. Fix the links.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Nexus 6P vs Z5

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=UFhqNXlOZEt1OXN5WGVxY2NkeERGLXQzZERBOUd3

One word - Purple
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
16 MP Z5, huh? Seems legit.

:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
http://www.weibo.com/1846334040/CEOatfoPn?type=comment#_rnd1445118946219

If somebody has Weibo account they get the images in full resolution....

I got that link from reddit and the reason why it may be in 16mp is since it was uploaded to google photos

"That's the maximum Google Photos will save if you don't want it to contribute to your storage space."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3p3yia/shots_comparison_nexus_6p_vs_sony_z5/cw34nd2
[Xperia Z5 General] lagittaja:
Indeed.

https://support.google.com/photos/answer/6220791?p=storage&rd=1

Q: What if I choose High quality and I back up photos taken with a high-resolution camera?

A: If the camera takes photos with a resolution higher than 16 MP, then photos will be downsized to 16 MP.

:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Ah, okay. So did anyone tell the guy to re-do the test in 8 MP? Those pics look bad from both phones. Taking 23 MP pics in a low MP, low light setting is kinda flogging a dead horse at this point. I'm more interested in trying to figure out if SA is somehow buggered compared to manual mode.

I'm starting to think that Sony should have left 23/20 MP modes in manual, so the reviewers wouldn't have gotten all confused. I mean if this was the iphone, there would be several exhaustive articles praising the merits and genius of a super-sampled camera ("Look how efficient it is!"). And the exact conditions when to use the 23 MP vs. 8 MP mode... at a Paris fashion shoot or some ridiculous arctic expedition. xD
[Xperia Z5 General] Chord_Hugo87:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Yxha0-I10

Sony mobile is in desperation mode, their product is half ass...its full of "cool spec" yet being brought down by half-baked programmers. Time for them to go out of bussiness. There will always be something wrong with a Sony product and I'm talking about the entire line of product, not just their phones.
[Xperia Z5 General] monx®:
guys. just get Z5 on your hand and use it properly. DxOMark has credibility. pls dont keep posting crap comparison youtube videos, etc.
[Xperia Z5 General] Chord_Hugo87:
its crap because you own an inferior product and people talk about it? or its crap because its the truth? or both?

btw I dont like that Saf guy either but he has credibility too.

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not true again....Samsung galaxy S6 active which has the same camera as the Note 5 are better, with a bigger battery and a substantially better processor.
[Xperia Z5 General] monx®:
no point to argue actually. most ppl whining around dont even hv the device, only capturing random review on the wild net.

did i missed the word 'thin' on sony? s6 active? device with bulky jacket? nope.
[Xperia Z5 General] Chord_Hugo87:
random reviews huh? I bet I can find more reviews where samsung win...even this thread shows that...

lol so we went from talking about the best water camera to aesthetic now? I'll play your game...do a drop test and see which phone survive...Z5 vs S6 active drop test...I'll post my video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPkotdbxaLw

fun start at 2:38 second.

there's a reason why its bulky lol because it works...its for the active life style. the Z5 would be cool if it works...it had 2 job...looks good and work...so far it only looks good everything else is a dud.