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[Xperia Z5 General] jheane14:
how bout the new comparison video from manilashaker in youtube?
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
With respect, you simply can't get any idea of how good the camera is by testing in a shop under shop lighting. When I bought my Z5 I spent over an hour testing the camera alone against the S6 Edge and the Z5 produced more detailed and realistic images numerous times. I made a point of (under supervision) taking it outside, adjusting FOV and using all the modes under the sun. At no point was the S6 Edge "Considerably better", with the exception of Macro where it is easier to focus because of the lens. There were shots where they were the equal of one another but at no point did I think "Man, the S6 is kicking this thing's ass". Because it wasn't.

The S6 Edge was consistently wrong on White Balance and frequently over-lit the scene. To some this might seem "Richer" or "Nicer" but I do not wish my camera to make those decisions for me: I was looking for "Accurate" and that is what the Z5 delivered and why I chose the Sony.

Now, as it is virtually impossible to zoom into pixel-by-pixel levels of details using the photo apps of either phone, I wonder at how you could see the errors of the processing. Seriously - I am hesitant of your statements, here: that level of detail is only noticeable when images are transferred to a computer. If you did so, fair enough. If you did not, I am genuinely curious as to how you could come to any conclusions about the processing of the Z5 from your limited testing alone: I only saw the poor edge enhancements when I used my PC - it was virtually invisible using the album app of the phone itself as it simply does not crop far enough into any image to come to any firm conclusion about processing. Are you talking about introduction of visible noise into the images?

It's all fairly academic now anyway: the new firmware has improved the edge processing algorithms. You'll not see that in shop display units because they're never given updated firmware.
[Xperia Z5 General] Andrewtst:
I always decide to take that phone or not in first try. First try not impress me then I won't take.

I don't get issues on others phone on first try but why only mostly on Sony. The Sony process is too obvious somewhere wrong.

The first photo I took the shop where is indoor light but surprising me such condition Z5 also generate noise in dim area. I can't believe it when I seen it. I am not shooting night scenes but only a normal indoor lighting shop. Frankly speak I am speechless that time. That time I set auto in 20MP wide. I won't use 8MP if the phone is more capable than it.

I don't said S6 Edge (own previously) or Note5 (my current phone) is perfect because both easier over bright in night scenes but at least it won't over blur edge and crazy noise. G4 (my previous phone) actually better control in night scenes without over exposed it but they tend to slightly exposed in day time white area or bright area. They is no 100% perfect phone camera but still not as bad as noise generate by Z5 and also the edge over blur issue.

The edge blur no need pc because it is too obvious.

I don't care on color accuracy because that one easier to get fix but blur and noise is something real difficult to fix and nearly not possible.

Lastly I need to said I only check photo quality in fit screen mode and I won't zoom for picky check as that is silly because I don't see photo in zoom.

If the shop don't upgrade firmware then it's shop issue as they give bad first impression to costumer.

Another is Sony too rush and keep repeating same error. I still remember first Z when official launch the output is crazy bad, a lot complain and later fix it better, that is a good lesson but Sony repeat it again.

I remember during announcement they is actually new camera apps but why in initial release Sony still put in the old camera apps. I don't see any manufacturer did this and Sony shall know first impression is really important. No wonder more less people buying Sony now. I initial want to buy Z5 Premium but now I not that want it anymore because the first impression is not there. Don't forget the 4K is waste most the time as it down scale to 1080P not even a QHD.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Looking at the reviews, I think nearly everyone did the same thing: changed the camera to 23 MP (because higher MP means better, right?), then compared zoomed-in photos at the same size without realizing the FOV of the 24 mm lens. So we're seeing the same comments over and over again about noise and detail.

Granted, there are some pics where the Z5 can look worse. SA, for example, sometimes tries a little too hard and occasionally chooses the wrong scene type. Also, glare is something Z5 users should be more cognizant of, as the wide lens makes it easier for sunlight can creep in. Maybe that's a good reason to use 16:9 (over 4:3) - less sky in the frame. The choice of higher ISO vs. blurring is also something that can confuse people.

I was looking at the G4 photos again (of people, not still objects), and there were more blurred photos from the G4 than the Z5. The Z5's face detection did a good job of keeping pics from blurring. Again, it's something reviews (and in-store testing) don't reveal. The Z5 gets a bum rap because it's treated/tested like it was an S6, G4, iphone, and not on its own merits, which is really too bad.

The Z5 has a good all-around camera, with by far the best (FHD) video. It's a killer combo, IMHO.

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Ah, thank you! Looks like the reviewer spent a good amount of time with the Z5. He didn't adjust for the FOV, but still a good review methinks. :)

http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xperia-z5-vs-lg-g4-iphone-6s-galaxy-note-5-camera-comparison/
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
All I'm really understanding from all of this is that you didn't give the phone much of a chance and then gave up. That's not much of a basis for coming into this thread and discussing it, I'm sorry to say.

Have you checked any samples taken by those of us who own the device? Have you just come here to feel better about the phone you do have by crowing that you didn't like your limited time with the Z5? Whichever, it's not particularly constructive to the debate, sorry.

On the matter of edge blurring, the Z5 has a wide angle lens which produces a barrelling effect that softens the outer edges. The latest firmware seems to adjust a little for this but I've yet to do a comprehensive test to be certain. It's certainly a matter that software can correct.

I've not found it to be too onerous in general use. If you noticed it a lot, that single solitary Z5 you tried might have had a lens issue. This is what comes of limited testing.
[Xperia Z5 General] Andrewtst:
Lol. I always comment on any phone in first impression. I do check review site photos and some of users post photo here but not all. I prefer my own checking on actual unit and reviewer sample.

Feel better the phone I own? Z5 got nothing big impress me to let me need to do this. If I don't like my current phone I can just simply sell it and buy another phone. What for come here write and feel better. Lol.

Some more Z5 screen is too small for my liking (I give try on S6 Edge which is a solid beauty phone but I sold it main reason screen too small). Z5 Premium wise do impress me the design, the screen finally big enough (I need at least 5.5") under one of my requirements on picking the phone as main phone but that feel already reduce when I know Sony down scale it until FHD.

I come here because I browse around and seen this topic thus I post. Don't have any specific motive or desire.

I will test again the camera when shop put up Z5 Premium which probably month end. Hope that time with newer firmware given much better photo output result.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Wonder when the camera app is arriving...

Sony have been using it majority of their twitter adverts for the past 2 months.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
You're the customer, you can do what you want.

But your opinions have no basis. First impression? Lol. You're like baby, but that's allright. It's just buying a product.

Here is a great comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fRFqFeQ6tM
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Ok so for you guys, 7 night shots.

All of them made in Manual 8mpx mode, which is the best ATM.

Manual ISO usually 200.

I think results are very good.

And I just love the new fast focus!

The shots are on the bottom.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60305679@N04/albums/72157660339573739

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0116 by doministry, on Flickr

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0121 by doministry, on Flickr

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0129 by doministry, on Flickr

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0118 by doministry, on Flickr

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0115 by doministry, on Flickr

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0114 by doministry, on Flickr

Z5_Manual_8mpx_DSC_0110 by doministry, on Flickr
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Anyone saying the Z line Xperias produce bad photos and keep trying to drive home this false "point" over and over to us who OWNS Xperia Z phones and knows what they are capable of has but one place in a special list! :)

Excellent photos Doministry! Did you use some scene modes aswell or just full manual with no scene?
[Xperia Z5 General] schecter7:
Yep, great shots! Full manual I think since scene mode doesn't allow ISO adjustment ....
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Full Manual.

These are made with ISO200, Central light metering, Auto white balance, tap-to-focus.

And the good eye of course!
[Xperia Z5 General] Andrewtst:
You just an ordinary fans that everything you love is the best. One kind of...

Continue your so though the best. It is not I never use Sony. I seen it I can immediate spot it photo process algorithm. Not decent is not decent. It just good. If it is decent then it shall give great output in indoor shot. Outdoor every phone camera is decent and no need test, that why I always test indoor shot and that tell the story.

A great phone camera is at least able to get best shot indoor in the most simple auto mode, no need to tune here and there for getting a great shot, for example the photos you just taken and post but you need to use manual mode and 8MP not the default 23MP or in wide 20MP under auto mode. If you talk on manual mode, recent Sanding Galaxy Note5, S6 Edge+ and LG G4 and V10 had more complete control and even raw output.

Manual mode is for added extra powerful capability not became main control.

I know Sony can get more good shot under manual mode but not everyone use that mode and not everytime you had chances to use that mode.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
One more thing, I believe the 23mpx mode is also very good.

It's just sometimes tiny bit worse just because of lack of manual ISO.

But sometimes it uses the ISO value which is just right and in this case those shots are at least as good as 8mpx.

Now I think this 23mpx can be utilized more with paying with EV and White Balance...
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
They will certainly add ISO to manual. The previous Z phones have it. And using EV to counter automatic ISO and lower it can be a pita becouse it might either lower ISO or change shutter speed depending on EV setting. Quite the hassle as it is situation dependant and the viewfinder doesn't show ISO nor shutterspeed for taken photo so you have to check in album to correct EV.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
No, I'm just a conscious user who pays money for the device to utilize it, not to treat it like monkey, what you are trying to do and trying to convince me

it's the right method. But it's not the method, it's just dumb.

And no, auto mode says nothing about the camera actually.

Now excuse me but further discussion is just pointless. I have tons of pics I made with my devices to prove my point

and you just say you made a shot in a shop. Maybe. I mean how more dumb it could be?

You're just another troll here, internet is full of guys like you.

Everybody else, please don't feed the troll.
[Xperia Z5 General] Andrewtst:
If you talk on manual mode. Samsung Galaxy Note5, S6 Edge+ and LG G4 and V10 is much more capable of with more control and even out raw to let you more control on it. This part Z5 still late behind.

Above phone camera I mention where you can did decent photo anytime and if want more control also can without compromise the pixel to 8MP only but in it native full resolution, but Z5 only can get decent photo in manual mode only and the manual mode is not as complete as others with compromise down to 8MP.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
"Compromise down to 8MP." LOL... oh, that's priceless. Guess it never occurred to him why DSLRs with sensors 3x to 5x bigger aren't using 100 MPs. xD

FYI, in the Manilashaker review, the Z5 at 8 MP had better detail, colour and contrast to the iphone 6s at 12 MP, on top of having a much bigger FOV. Because super-sampling sucks, yup.
[Xperia Z5 General] karrouma:
23 mp

Bro all bought z5 because it have 23 mp and fast autofocus.

Now we can have 23 auto not manual , why sony do this. No iso for 23 mp.

Sony higher tje iso to have fast focus and now all pic in low light and indore and night are blurre.

All we need is the iso back to 23 mp manual mode.

M5 have super cera better than z5 and full manual, why sony do that for the z5?
[Xperia Z5 General] lipali:
Little OT: I see my city that I love very much!

Wysłane z mojego E6653 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Sorry, I apologize for being rude earlier. Anyway, yeah, it seems like Sony programmed the 23/20 MP modes last minute. In SA, there are missing scene detections that show up for 8 MP mode (or maybe I just haven't seen them). I have no idea how good the M5's camera is, but it seems to be similar to the Z3.

I'm hoping that camera update will address at least some of the issues. It's middle of November already...! Anyone wanna harass ask on the Sony Mobile forums? It's gonna be laughable if/when an update changes how the camera behaves, and we have to go through all the testing again.

:silly:
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
I am hoping they will ad it on new camera software in new update to.
[Xperia Z5 General] karrouma:
Or waiting to android 6 .

Hope late november sony update their z5 to can compete in the market, holidays are comming we need perfect pictures not blurries pics.

Come on sony update z5 series
[Xperia Z5 General] Ben36:
I stood in the pretty much exact same position and took 4 pictures. 2 @ 8MP 16:9 & 4:3, 2@ 20MP 16:9 & 4:3

All set on manual with auto iso

What do people actually think looks best quality?

And i don't think i have the blur but please point out if I do

If you look at the photo details for name you'll see which is which

https://goo.gl/photos/RDfTiEaQMDNb7SeZA
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
But 23mpx mode is mostly great too!

The blur? It's more like a myth.

EVERY camera has a blur on the edges. It's normal when you point in the middle.

It happens even on DSLRs.
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
I think for the blur, there are some models which have more pronounced blurring, and I think I saw some that had blur creeping near the middle of the photo in landscape..
[Xperia Z5 General] xshopper86:
Maybe U are just using wrong options? Xperiablog compared pics of Z5 to latest iPhone and Z5 is the winner there...
[Xperia Z5 General] monry:
A lot of photos without playing with settings (didn't have time for that since I bought the phone last week), just manual mode: http://1drv.ms/1HHmn6o
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
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Sigh the lack of detail once you zoom in compared to the Note5 is poor
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Oh, come on! One night pic showing slightly less detail isn't exactly a "lack of detail" or "poor". It's the same old story - hand-held, non-moving, night pics are generally a bit more detailed on S6/Note 5/G4 with OIS. Colour and contrast are better on the Z5. But overall, the differences are minor... frankly, none of the phones are particularly good in low light.

The Z5 (Premium) video recording was very nice. Looks like Ray has switched to the Z5 for recording his Youtube videos. Good man!

:good:
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
So we're going to ignore this video

[Youtube]QbreujURoY4[/youtube]

Which has been posted in this very thread that pretty much shows the same, that Z5 lacks detail in both good light and low light:rolleyes:

Whats clear here is Sonys processing just isn't up to par, whats the point in having an imaging division when you cant get the cameras on your phones right?
[Xperia Z5 General] milanelo:
Guys, do you use the flashlight when taking photos at night or in a dark place? When the flash is turned on, the photos are half white, with some white glance. Is this normal or is this due to the flashlight itself?
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Just tried. Everything is perfect here.

Maybe there is something wrong with your lense alignment.

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But 5 has plenty of detail.

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On a side note, changing EV on 23mpx mode INFLUENCES the shutter speed and ISO.

That means I can manipulate ISO performance a bit with those. Some tests soon.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with that man's Z5 camera! And I mean SERIOUSLY. I've been to London on a dimmer day than that and taken very similar shots and there's no question at all that my samples are so, so much clearer and more detailed.

Samples: https://flic.kr/s/aHskn4W5uU (Specifically: https://flic.kr/p/zMaFKc https://flic.kr/p/A7uyHP and https://flic.kr/p/AKsE12)

Also: AGAIN, we have a reviewer who doesn't recognise the deference in the lens and FOV and stands still to take both photos and then crops to the same depth. How exactly are we meant to learn which is more detailed when you're looking at a smaller section of the sensor on the Z5? Simply put: you can't.
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
I think what's clear is we have another reviewer that doesn't know what their doing and posters like you who love these reviewers :P
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Lol its from the same reviewer you guys were applauding for using night mode like 2 weeks ago *rolls eyes*
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Not impressed with Note 5. My Z1 in night mode, 21MP can give it a run and beating. Next! :laugh:
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
LOL... you're way exaggerating things. The guy seems to prefer the Note 5 for pics, Z5 for videos. And timaustin2000 is right, Ray hasn't spend a lot of time with the Z5 to take better photos. He's still using 23 MP 4:3 without adjusting the FOV, so probably he doesn't realize how it affects the pics (focus, glare, etc.). But at least he's using Night portrait mode, which most other reviews missed.

In any case, Z5 owners here (and not guys posting random pics or just played with it in the store) have compared it to the G4 and S6, and refuted the "bad camera" claims. On top of which, the Z5 has the best video camera. And that's what DXOMark stated in its review.

Could the Z5 camera still be better? Sure, it's a brand spanking new camera system. Probably a couple of updates before it gets really good. The G4, S6 and other Z series phones improved with updates, so it's nothing new. If you really don't like the Z5's camera, there are lots of other new Android phones you could check out. Why waste time here?
[Xperia Z5 General] milanelo:
Decided to take two pics in a pitch black room - http://imgur.com/a/ZEQbt

The first is a pic of a door, taken from a distance of 1 meter with autoflash on, the second one is a macro of the door, again with autoflash on but from around 20-30 cm distance. The first one has a very whitey nuance. Is this a software focusing issue or a problem with the alignment of the lense as doministry suggested?
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Definitely nothing like that on my phone.

Just tested on Manual with Flash.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Here.
[Xperia Z5 General] milanelo:
Thank you doministy. That's very strange. I'll wait until 6.0 and the new camera interface update and if this is still there after the update, i'll try and replace the unit.
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
A thought has occurred for those unimpressed by their use of the camera in shop display units; when viewing back and cropping on the screen, are you switching X-reality screen enhancement OFF?

Because, while it boosts colours and seeming details when looking at images 1:1 it royally screws up details when you crop in. It adds a TONNE of oversharpening and lagged edges. It makes fine detail look AWFUL.

If you look at pictures without turning this off, you're not looking at what the camera is actually producing. No wonder you might think it ****.

Always turn it off.
[Xperia Z5 General] EQ2000:
Your door looks glossy and flat. Might just be glare from the flash light reflection.

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This and it might also over saturate photos aswell as change the white point. The X-reality also applies to videos viewed in Sony apps or apps that utilise the X-Reality function like Youtube and more.
[Xperia Z5 General] Barthlon:
auto mode doesnt seem to work for me. even in low light the 20 mp manual seems way more realistic in color reproduction to me. overall 20 mp manual works out best for me i guess :)
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Thanks for this tip, I had it turned on. Looking at some of my images, there is a remarkable difference (sharper but more noisy images with X-Reality ON). So when I looked at the PC it seemed a bit different. I'll be turning it off from now on so I get what I need to see.
[Xperia Z5 General] tomo100brt:
There are my pictures taken with Superior auto 23 MPX of twilight.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8aVAm1KMRG-N0thdk1ZcFduVTA

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8aVAm1KMRG-OXZMQmstNm5najQ

I don't see anything wrong with this camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] bloodfire1004:
Not sure if this was already shared before here but to try and settle the Z5 vs S6 photo comparisons: http://ausdroid.net/2015/10/09/sony-xperia-z5-vs-samsung-galaxy-s6-camera-shootout/

Though my 2 cents is, given the more scenarios, S6 will win some, Z5 will win some. Based on DxoMark, the only reason Z5 really won is because of the marginally better video score. If only basing on photos, S6 and Z5 are close! Still, I'm pretty happy overall with my Z5 with regards to its camera output and can't really understand all the people complaining that its poor / mediocre or what not.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Nothing wrong there :)
[Xperia Z5 General] Barthlon:
i am trying to figure out if there is a big difference in pictures made with stock camera / google camera / mx camera or others. if non-stock is about the same quality as stock, then i might just root the device and load up a custom rom.

what do you guys think about this? any loss in quality? do you guys use stock camera or another one?

in google camera i cannot select a higher resolution than 8mp. am i doing something wrong or is this 'normal'?

thanks!
[Xperia Z5 General] a00r:
the camera app just updated any difference?
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Testing that now: difficult to say for sure. Will come back to you.