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[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
To be honest, I'm a beginner in photography! however I'm trying to follow [MENTION=6922850]EQ2000[/MENTION] suggestions about using manual mode in low light conditions!

I don't know about that course, but I have started reading this website to learn how to use the camera: https://photographylife.com/

It's has so many beginner tutorials and stuff regarding basic camera controls like ISO...

about the last question, yes!

8MP gives you ISO control in manual mode which is critical in low light condition as superior auto usually ruins the picture in dark places!

here are a few more photos: today was sunny evening at the beach

20MP + 16:9 + superior auto

[IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/5g7_dsc_0391_resize.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/tp49_dsc_0403_resize.jpg[/IMG]

8MP + 16:9 + ISO 100

[IMG="beach"]http://uupload.ir/files/ccpk_dsc_0400_resize.jpg[/IMG]

full size pictures:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_5WeqOkEnzNkFSaDNBeXMyakE&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] TobbeSwe:
The soft sides we all see in the photos we take with the Xperia Z5 isn´t present in video as far as i can see so i belive that the issues we see in the photos are software related because if it were due to hardware we should have seen this issue in video also which i do not... Do anyone else see the same issue in video as seen in the photos??
[Xperia Z5 General] Allek84:
Here somw more photos :

Qualiy is pretty solid
[Xperia Z5 General] NewToWeb:
I will try to follow your suggestions regards 8MP + 16:9 + ISO 100. Hope I will find these settings on my Z5 :) If my pictures will be good as yours I will post share them as well :)))
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
from what I have learned so far...

we should stick to the base ISO (lowest ISO) of any camera for the best image quality...(not always possible)

ISO 50 is the lowest possible on z5 in manual mode! you should keep ISO as low as possible which is also not possible in every condition such as dark places!

Also ISO value controls shutter speed which is helpful in capturing moving objects! higher ISO prevent blurs on moving objects as the camera needs less time to capture!
[Xperia Z5 General] frankm87:
The field of view for video is smaller than for photos and/or camera movement can make blurred sides unnoticed.
[Xperia Z5 General] Xeon:
It's a bit silly to be forced to keep the ISO as low as possible when other phones can shoot in low light with ISO800+ and much better details.
[Xperia Z5 General] TobbeSwe:
What is your software version? 5.1.1 or 6.0 MM? Because my camera doesn´t take as nice pictures in those conditions even with a clean lens and lowest ISO in either Superiour Auto or Manual.. My photos look oversharpened!
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
It's a rule for any camera! lower ISO better quality...higher ISO produces grainy pictures!

You need to adjust the ISO to get the same level of light based on the environment lightening...

Lowest possible ISO means setting ISO in such a way to get satisfactory results based on the real scene!

However, in very low light situations, superior auto usually overshoot the ISO value which results in pictures way brighter than the actual scene and lower quality! (sometimes dark areas become blue)

I bet if you compare your pictures with other phones (low light + auto mode), you can see superior auto usually use higher ISO values!
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
I can confirm from my latest tests it's possible to control the shutter speed to some extent...

I upped the ISO and lowered the EV, and the shutter got faster. In some difficult situations it results in better detail

and the moving objects are captured much better!

I will post some results soon.
[Xperia Z5 General] tony bowey:
I'll be truly honest here when I opened the z5 I tried the camera strait away and thought what the **** these are pathetic until I went into settings to find it was set of 8mb default changed it up to 23mb... Shots are "ok" people are saying people don't know how to use it.. They shouldn't need to the auto should give the best shot if I wanted to mess around with camera settings I would buy a DSLR... S6 beats the z5 on software and maybe next year Sony will release a software update to make the camera a beast but until now it isn't... People want a point and shoot.
[Xperia Z5 General] mihaid:
If I learned only one thing through my tech life is this: never buy something on promises of future improvements. Never.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Absolutely not true. Some people do, some people don't.

DSLRs also have full Auto. Which is also inferior to manual.

AND people who use it on Auto only - they don't care that much about picture quality and definitely DON'T COMPARE pics, and don't do any Pixel peeping.

False logic.
[Xperia Z5 General] bidoa:
Spent the morning taking video with the Z5 in the sunshine at 1080p.

The stabilisation is phenomenal, wish I could say about the colour and contrast. some slow mo in there too... hope you enjoy. Footage is put together but no adjustment or corrections.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eh5s4a-2_8[/YOUTUBE]
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Dang... so much for my wild theory. I really wish I could get my hands on the Z5 now, but I probably won't have it till year's end. :crying: I know someone with a G4, so I could do some testing.

The daytime shots on the Z5 I've seen look good. IMHO, I'd say equal to slightly better than the S6 generally, but the differences are minuscule (compared to a real camera) . Some shots look bad, but every phone has quirks in certain situations. I think it boils down to preference of larger FOV (Z5) or larger objects (S6, G4).

In low light, it seems Sony chose a relatively fast shutter speed to keep the shots from motion blurring, but at a loss of detail. I think in real life situations, it may be a fair trade off, but it definitely makes it look worse in testing. Reviews tend to take low-light pics of scenery and stationary objects, so it's skewed towards phones using lower shutter speeds. I don't think it's really possible to cover all the usage cases with a single automatic mode anyway. So has anyone tried the low-light mode to see if it's any good?
[Xperia Z5 General] veletron:
Full auto here 100% of the time. Its a smartphone camera, and I aint gonna mess about with manual settings. For 99.999% of folks out there this is the case, and hence reviews and comparisons are best performed with full auto in a range of conditions on all devices. I have a Z3C, I was considering an upgrade, but after seeing the comparisons from the OP, I shant bother. Maybe in Z5+/Z6, Sony will actually learn how to get the best out of their own ruddy sensors. Amazes me that the competition manage to get better results from Sony's sensors in many cases. If Sony wants to kill off its smartphone business, then it is going the right way about it. Superb camera's sell smartphones these days - and the Z5 does not have a superb camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
[YOUTUBE]QbreujURoY4[/YOUTUBE]

6:10 onwards.

Lot of smudging on Z5.
[Xperia Z5 General] veletron:
Yep, the evidence that the Z5 camera is poor vs the recent competition is both compelling and inexcusable. I am pretty sure that this is down to Sony's age-old issues with post processing rather than a hardware flaw so it might improve. If they had given us RAW support we would be able to tell for sure!
[Xperia Z5 General] itsjustJOH:
Well, I guess Sony really won't fix their camera software, they can't increase the volume of their audio even if they keep tossing those fancy audio enhancements, they are going backwards with their battery life (which hopefully is just a problem with the 810 or Lollipop), they always have tons of quality control problems. Just some of the problems that keep recurring every time with their phones.
[Xperia Z5 General] supercakefish:
What's wrong with the audio? Mine was plenty loud to my ears through headphones. You probably got a faulty unit.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
You can't be serious believing this cr..p unless you want to troll here :)

I mean c.mon, it's a faulty handset, or totally dirty lens. Or the person is handicapped...

This:

https://youtu.be/6dt3StohtL4

Z5 takes great shots and the software is fine, unless you look for a reason to screw it.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Or the photos are simply smudgy...

Not the first photos of the Z5 I've seen that look smudgy.

Will wait until November to see If Sony improve then consider purchasing & hopefully a price drop:p

No phones worth over £500 imo and I definitely won't be spending that much on this "best camera"
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Yes they are. Because the phone is broken or the lens is dirty. Or the person intentionally does that.

It's easy to look at TechBuzz comparison between the same phones.
[Xperia Z5 General] King p1n:
Im not really interested in the conspiracy theorys, "Person intentionally does that":good:

Bottom line is the camera is simply not as good as Sony has hyped it up to be.

Its not terrible but it is underwelcoming

We'll have to agree to disagree :)

The true best camera this year might end up going to the Lumia 950's, judging by what I've seen.
[Xperia Z5 General] supercakefish:
It's a manufacturing flaw in the first batch of production. My Z5C had the fault. It causes the left side of photos to be blurrier than the right side. I've sent mine back for an exchange, hoping the second one won't suffer from the same problem. The centre of photos looked incredible sharp and detailed. Just need a non-faulty unit and I'll be very happy with the camera.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
For me the samples are great once taken properly.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
This video is very funny and totally not trustable. Starting 0:43 ... it actually reverted, on the left hand side is cool WB and the algorithm on the trees and leaves is exactly the Sony one, when I look on the right side the color is very saturated and pretty much just same as my S6.

It is very easy to distinguish which one is Samsung bcoz it always come with a warm WB and over saturated color. I watched the whole video and I think almost all(or maybe all) Z5 image marked indeed from Note5.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Sorry. But not really.

First of all it's NOT like you say. Some Z5 pics are cooler than Note 5.

And it would be silly to assume both phones would always give the same difference between them.

Each camera has it's downsides and is reacting to every scene a bit differently.
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
So I said almost all but not sure if all from Note5. I got the S6 and very easy to know the color tone. IMHO, this is the only review I've seen on Earth said Z5 much better than S6/Note5. Why the all other reviews are false and fake? and only this very different one is right?

http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/203524/1/rv/sony-xperia-z5-review/

This is the other one Z5 vs S6 Edge review.
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Well.

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=208359&start=180

Comparison between Note 5 and Z5 on GSMArena. Z5 seems very sharp.

https://recombu.com/mobile/article/sony-xperia-z5-camera-review-supertest-vs-s6-g4-moto-x-style

More developed comparison.

None of the issues are there.

P.S.

Eprice is in completely unknown language for me.

Therefore I don't know what I see, which phone is which and what settings are used...
[Xperia Z5 General] bubimir13:
How much ISO and do you get blue or purple tints with ISO over 800?
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Honestly I didn't go higher than 400. Didn't need to.

And no, no tint here.

The only time I got any tint, it was on auto in extremely dark conditions.
[Xperia Z5 General] Daniel_GB:
I have blue tint in extremely dark conditions when using superior auto which usually select very high ISO values!

you can see a few test pictures here, superior auto 20MP and manual 8MP ISO200-400

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_5WeqOkEnzajhYV0t5TDc4Q3c&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z5 General] Duckly2:
I agree, I am not expecting picture quality or anthing will improve just by having manual controls. What I am looking for is a consitent and reliable camera app. The sony app will make some strange stuff, change ISOs when I wish to have a clean low light picture. It is not clear or easy to control with the sony app and I often end up taking 3-4 pictures using different scene modes.

With full manual I know exactly what shutter speeds and ISOs will be used, I can easily change between ISO preferences vs shutter prefference depending on the scene I with to take a picture of. With the stock phone app, and this is not just Z5, it has been the same with previous phones I have owned, it is was just too unpredictable how it would react to the scenes. Now I have to open up the picture in an image viewer to see the result.

Why can they not create a camera app as on a regular camera, where I can preview and scroll my latest pictures with ISO, shutter etc. overlay. Having manual controlls is my only way of securing prefered settings are used not having to open pictures in a seperate viewer and then for each select detaisl to see EXIF info.
[Xperia Z5 General] chrillo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDt7tBf8ZZE

Selection of timelapses in Gran Canaria shot on Xperia Z5 (only sequence 3 and 4 are shot on a DSLR).

Shot on the Camera FV 5 app
[Xperia Z5 General] kryosan:
To be honest, Z5 Compact camera

SUCKS

. Here's a few uncompressed daylight photos, shot in AUTO mode:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/E1ACFRKiv2vnm3uq7
[Xperia Z5 General] sandynaxa:
Agreed, here are my superior auto 8MP pics, such a crappy camera (processing software)

https://image.ibb.co/fFmdnp/2018_08_28_11_37_15.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/dtsjSp/DSC_0038.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/iXor7p/2018_08_28_11_34_54.jpg
[Xperia Z5 General] FYL21:
Something's wrong with either your software or the camera itself. The shutter speed and ISO shouldn't be that high under daylight. You're getting 1/80000 and ISO 1600 which is ridiculous. With similar scenes my Z5 always stays around ISO 50, and low light (sunset) it goes to ISO 320.

For me, 20MP images are quite soft as it seems the post-processing is not as aggressive and the contrast is a bit lower. I find myself using 8MP more because images have a bit more pop and perceived sharpness to them due to the supersampling. My main complaint with speed and accessibility of the camera app. The Z5 has terrible shutter lag (which is ridiculous since most other phones at the time did not have it, and it was fixed with the Xperia X series!). It renders the phone impractical for action shots. Also, I find it annoying I have to unlock the phone to use 4K video as a separate app.
[Xperia Z5 General] TordFuglstad:
I'm going to put a stop to this discussion. I know for a fact that the Z5 has a better camera than my Z3. I work as a professional photographer. And I managed to capture this on the Z3. I will buy the Z5 this week and I'm going to make a good comparison between the Z5 and Z3. As a professional photographer I know what makes a good camera. And from what I've seen so far, the Z5 photos are very much neutral, which is VERY GOOD for us interested in photography.

This has been shot and edited on the Sony Z3.

Out on the trails by TordFuglstad, on Flickr[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Fantastic. Waiting for this! Great.

And it's what I've been talking about. NEUTRAL is much better than these semi-photoshopped ones.

As I compared once my Z2 to DSLR, the smartphone is actually much more saturated.

PIXEL PEEPING IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT!! [MENTION=6348454]TordFuglstad[/MENTION]

Do you have a Flickr account? Do you have more mobile shots? The one above is great... :)

Edit:

Ups it's linked ;) I follow you now.
[Xperia Z5 General] TordFuglstad:
No need in pixel peeping. You won't be taking photos in darkness to hang on your walls in super-size anyways.

Mobile phone shots will usually be used online or maybe daytime shots will be put on walls.

From what I have seen the daytime shots on the Z5 are tack sharp on the ones out now.

A lot of the photos that has been seen here has a pre-production software which clearly was not optimized.

Thanks dude! I'll post more mobile shots up there soon. :good:
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/60305679@N04/

Some night ones nice too ;)
[Xperia Z5 General] Funk2641:
not bad at all!
[Xperia Z5 General] dyndragon:
Try this test pattern

Can someone with a Z5 take a shot of the test pattern and post the results?

Test pattern: http://multiplo.org/files/docs/other/pad.Grid9x7.v1.1.svg

We know that the Z5C is commonly getting complaints about the left side being more blurry than the right, and the blurriness is uneven. I believe it is also causing some other optical aberrations, like exposure and focus issues. I'm trying to figure out for the time being if going to a Z5 will avoid the blurry problem, or if the Z5 shares the same issue as the Z5C.

(Credit to /u/hallatore on reddit for the idea)

From my Z5C--

My shots of the test pattern using Superior Auto, no flash:

16:9 https://goo.gl/photos/pYdbvW7hjV6SH6ANA

4:3 https://goo.gl/photos/L7rV2Y3BFD84asHLA

Notice by the 3rd major bolded vertical line from the center blue line going to the left, it is already starting to get blurry. It is not nearly as noticeable until past the 4th major bolded vertical line going to the right. It's definitely not symmetric.

Landscape shot (notice the blurry mush that is on the left side, especially at the top left corner, in the leaves, as compared to the leaves closer on the right side of the shot)

https://goo.gl/photos/3rH1f2nUvMz5rEYKA
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
You no need to try to read the Chinese words on eprice as all Z5 shot at 4:3 and S6 at 16:9 ....

On the esato.com board, there are images from Z5/Note5 and Z5 seems to be much more saturated however those pics are from two different reviews and shot under various weather condition because not testing in the same date and time frame. The lighting environment is totally different, Z5 seems to be shooting in a very sunny day.

When you look at the recombu.com, S6 is just much more saturated and yellow tint.
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Compared to the S6, the night pic should be less detailed, but better at capturing movement. Here's the quote from DXOMark on the S6's low-light performance:

"Shooting in low-light conditions the S6 Edge’s exposure time of 1/10th Sec can result in a little blur despite the device's image stabilization system. Ensuring you have a sturdy grip of the phone and shooting relatively static subjects will help. To be fair though slow shutter speeds in low-light aren’t uncommon with mobile devices, and the S6 Edge’s low-light exposure time is actually twice as quick as iPhone 6 Plus, which uses an even slower ¼ Sec Exposure Time in low-light."

That's why the S6 and iphone take "better" low light pics. Most reviews run tests against still objects, then claim the "Z5 sucks at photos," but is that really representative of "real life" use? I mean if you're at some social gathering, does anyone honestly believe people will all remain motionless? I think DXOMark got it right - all the phone cameras are poor in low light. The difference is mainly exposure time. I really wish reviewers wouldn't proclaim one is better than another without more thorough testing.

So the Z5's 24mm lens makes objects 14% smaller than the S6 & G4 (28mm) , and 25% smaller vs. the iphone (30mm). I still don't think it's fair to compare objects at the same size, but that's the way most reviews will choose to do it.

:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
Because using mobile to snap motion object at low light is kind of ridiculous and unrealistic(any entry level DSLR the result is also not good, not to mention mobile), you should do that by taking video instead but if you real want to try that, there is a Sport mode in S6 to help you boost up the shutter & ISO for the price of low quality. So the problem at least solved on S6 side.

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Like I mentioned in the older reply, Z1/Z2(IMX200) on later firmware or modding is probably the best color reproduction I've ever seen, outperformed S6 and my friend's Iphone6. The saturated is balanced to the point where not to excess like S6/IP6 while still keeps the cooler WB atmosphere overall, that's why I'm still using my Z1c for serious shoot with manual mode and used only S6 for casual snap shooting or when I need the help from OIS.

I'm considering switch to Z5c because of this reason too. I love the color like you, we're on the same boat but we can't just ignored the problems been existed on Sony phones. S6/Note5 got it's own advantages and should more friendly for average people which is also a fact. Indeed, I'm afraid the color on Z5/Z5c may not as nice as Z1/Z2 bcoz it looks more toward to cooler side though miles better than Z3/Z3+ this time.
[Xperia Z5 General] soxer123:
Camera IS a disappointment

I've had a Z5 for just over a week now replacing a Z1 which I love.

Why did I choose it ? The camera - 23 Mp fast focus, low light goes the Sony ad blurb.

I've not had an opportunity to do an objective test as that which I am responding to, but I am disappointed.

Some pics even at 50 percent of their full size are fuzzy especially round the edges in the style of phone cams from say ten years ago.

I personally don't think the flash is anywhere near as powerful as the Z1. I've set it down a cog to 20Mp to see if I can get a decent photo at that setting.

As it's on contract, I'm stuck with it for 2 years which is annoying. Don't the R&D departments actually test these devices before releasing them on an unsuspecting world ?
[Xperia Z5 General] Timaustin2000:
Judge for yourself,...

I've spent nearly a week with the Z5 now and uploaded some shots to Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/gp/136945683@N06/bb35e2

I've annotated each shot: please check the annotations.

I have my thoughts but I'd be interested in yours.

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I too am coming from a Z1 and I think the Z5 is better. At a pixel-peeping level, they still need to work on edge sharpening but the detail produced is clearly MUCH higher and the shots are brighter.

I've done side-by-side comparisons (more on that to come) and it's night and day. The thing to realise is that the focal length (?sic) is a lot different. This means that your subject is a hell of a lot nearer on the Z1 and so, un-objectively, it seems to pick up sharper detail sometimes. But that's simply because the subject is nearer. Step closer on the Z5 and take the same shot with the subject framed identically and you'll see what I mean.

I too was disappointed initially until I worked this out. Now that I've done my side-by-side showdown, I am a much happier camper: the Z5 definitely has the better camera - though it's true that Sony needs to tune the algorithms a bit to sharpen some edges.
[Xperia Z5 General] TordFuglstad:
That X5 actually have some really good shots with very nice accurate WB and exposure and really neutral colours. Perfect!

It reminds me in many ways how the colours comes out on the Nikon DSLRs :good:
[Xperia Z5 General] doministry:
Will look at this tomorrow at my PC.

But thanks guys for sharing!!!!!
[Xperia Z5 General] joe_dude:
Tim, how do you find the 8 MP pics vs. 23 MP? Do they preserve the quality well? Are they nearly identical (at least in low light)? Thanks for the pics, btw. :)
[Xperia Z5 General] TheEndHK:
Thanks for your hard working, I've downloaded some samples in original size. I think the quality is bad but my S6 also took a couple of updates before the camera working good. I think the current software is a beta, we'll need to wait the new camera update in next month to find out the real answer.
[Xperia Z5 General] Wave__:
http://xdaforums.com/z5-premium/general/xperia-z5-premium-pink-tint-t3222560

Maybe you can check here :/

I'm really disappointed too